General Debate 16 November 2017

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waikatogirl

Rail strikes causing chaos in Wellington today. Cindy’s naive enthusiasm for Liarbors decision to return NZ’s unionism to the 70’s cloth cap style begins to bite today with a 24 hour strike in Wellington. Workers trying get to work this morning have been told to find other ways to get into work, or to stay home.

The trains on this fine Thursday will not be running as the drivers are “exercising their right” to cause chaos for 30,000 commuters. The last time the trains stopped for this length of time was 1994.

Despite an offer on the table from the employer, the union has resorted to strike action and the workers have adopted a take it or leave it claim against their employer. The union are demanding the employers withdraw any changes or there will be further strikes.

As predicted by those of us who remember unionism in the 70’s we knew strikes were inevitable under Liarbors retro industrial laws, but when interviewed a few weeks ago on Liarbors industrial relations plans, Cindy naively stated:
“There will not be any strikes under my leadership”. – Another lie from Cindy!
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November 16, 2017 8:00am
- Paulus
  
  My elderly neighbour asked me yesterday will the ferries go on strike over Christmas now that the Unions are once again in charge. They are booked just before Christmas to go to join their family in the South Island.
  They cannot afford the airfare from Tauranga.
  Wellington is closed today as Wayne Buxton and the Rail and Maritime Unions go on strike.
  Will the country be put back to the 70’s when the Unions ruled the waves.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    This commuter train strike has political boot prints all over it.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:14am
    - CHFR1
      
      This was on Phil Sprey’s FB page last night from one Paul Eagle, he must have been designated deflector last night.
      https://www.facebook.com/phil.sprey?hc_ref=ARTFXMGIyNgNh63k4J5J9hnUsoh4lhXrlob_guQ18lWHD43eNHgu4_e3xaVB0UYEekc&fref=nf&pnref=story
      “Rather than spread inaccurate, anti-Labour Party, anti-Union and anti-Labour MP rubbish, get your facts right. Trains in the Wellington region are operated by a private company, TransDev, under contract to owners, the Greater Wellington Regional Council. The Public Transport Operating Model or PTOM that came into law under a National Government in 2013 needs a complete overhaul. It doesn’t address wage rates – and has caused major problems for bus drivers with the recent round of bus contract tenders – and unsurprisingly, it’s now impacting on train staff. So nothing to do with the New Zealand Labour Party and everything to do with bad policy from a National Government that Wellingtonians (sic) are having to wear tomorrow.”
      
      Deflection much, it is good to see Paul Eagle believes he is above the breathe through your nose for the first 3 years rubbish /sarc
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:27am
  - Prince
    
    Actually no delays for me to work today. Quicker than usual.
    Suggestion: Rip up the rails, replace with roads, sell the trains for scrap, send employees off to Uni to ‘reskill’.
    Job done.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:55am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have a long-planned, and higly anticipated family wedding in Nelson in January. There are literally 100’s of people coming from Wellington, and almost half have booked on the Interislander.
    
    I’m old enough to remember central NZ being paralyzed by maratime union thugs in the 70s.
    
    Quite worried.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:56am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Strikes, and also in the Herald this morning, plummeting housing affordability as NZ Herald predicts rising rental prices in Auckland due to stock shortages uncertainty about rate increases and healthy homes compliance costs and incoming earthquake insurance levys. (NZ Herald: Rental Housing Stocks Plummet) . Quelle surprise, It’s the opposite of what we were promised, and exactly what we expected
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:07am
    - Harkman
      
      Actually if you check the Stats NZ Yearbooks between the late 1920s and the early 1950s it becomes clear that the 1st Labour government actually instead of fixing NZ’s housing problems, made them far worse. Total housing numbers in 1929 weren’t passed until 1945/1946, as the state house policies/state takeover scared off private investment into construction in the late 1930s. Then after WW2 they let our major cities spread outwards too far, too fast, on bad land (eg East Christchurch) with artificially cheap mortgages, instead of building upwards. Now going up casts shadows onto neighbouring properties etc. And our money wasting politicians want to build metro rail lines out to these far flung suburbs.
      
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      November 16, 2017 11:55am
- Lance
  
  But but but….
  Cindy promised NO strikes?
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:08am
  - starboard
    
    Cindys a LIAR. Anything to gain power. Typical LIARBOR flunky. ?
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:15am
    - kevn
      
      Her mouth moved, nuff said.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well,according to the 1st TV debate… she promised no National strikes.
    Questioned directly by moderator Mike Hosking (who was exacting on both, in his rat-a-tat, pop-economist kind-of way) whether New Zealand could be in for national strikes, Ardern had her most emphatic moment: “No. We. Will. Not.”
    
    So, we are probably in for a load of local, regional and rolling strikes.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Fair point Maggy, or semantics on Cindy’s part? Ask those disadvantaged by the strike if it matters whether the strike is nationwide. Cindy may have covered herself but voters still won’t forgive the serious distruption and inconvenience to their travel.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:26am
      - Philview
        
        At this juncture in history, in the darkest of times, Jacinda brought forth light into the world. This seems to be the tone of many articles and comments these days. Some people were actually weeping in the street when she visited Dunedin. This website is a small community of unbelievers, thank goodness!
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:21am
    - holysheet
      
      The poor wee thing thought the questioner was referring to National as in the “National Party”. And we all know how much she detests anything with that name, hence her answer.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:27am
    - GazzaW
      
      I’ll bet the picket lines are pretty sparse come kick-off time of the Peru-NZ soccer game at 3.15pm this arvo. In fact they’ll start thinning out at lunchtime as the comrades skulk off for a pie and more than a few pre-match bevvies.
      
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      November 16, 2017 10:29am
  - backster
    
    Cindy promised NO strikes?
    Yep but the Unions waited a month before they decided to show who would really run the show. Winston the Great Deceiver and his rabble are OK with that.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:02am
    - Inandout
      
      Angry Andy runs things behind Cindy. She is merely a mouth piece.
      
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      November 16, 2017 9:47am
      - sooty
        
        Yep! Right up his alley.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:08am
- cmm
  
  Rail strikes are a good reason why we should not move away from roading towards rail.
  
  If bus drivers go on strike you can at least still use the roads with cars and bikes. Rail, well, you’re kinda stuffed!
  
  Centralizing any critical service makes it into a single point of failure. That might be caused by earthquakes, vulnerability to power going down, or in this case a union made problem.
  
  Rail is centralised therefore inherently risky.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Bring on the driverless trains with no conductor.
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:09am
  - Piniwi
    
    True cmm. However this will not be considered if they ever try to produce a BCR for their grand plan. Rail fail can only ever be the outcome as we lack the numbers to ever avoid it being heavily subsidised.
    
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    November 16, 2017 5:07pm
- Doubledimp
  
  Does anyone know the specifics of the conditions being changed? They are complaining about weekend and night rates, exactly how much are they standing to lose? Specialised pay rates for working certain times went out with the 90s, now it’s time and a half for overtime and public holidays. When I worked in England in IT, I was earning 50K GBP, the same amount a unionised driver on the tube was earning. Now that! was a ripoff.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Apparently existing contract states train repairs on Sunday is double time which the employer finds too expensive so nobody works on Sunday. I believe the sticking point is they wish to start working Sunday so the employer has offered time and a half and work on Sunday will then be viable. The unions have said, bottom line, no to change of conditions and we will continue 24 hour strikes until we get what we want.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Does it really matter what the reason is? No matter what deals or concessions they get, they were always going to flex their muscles to show they’re there.
    
    This is just the unions putting Cindy in her place: Labour belongs to the unions and the unions are now getting pissy that she’s playing dollies with refugees etc instead of focusing on them.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:38am
- Soffet
  
  OK so the word is that Transdev/Hyundai Rotem reached an agreement with the union on all demands…. Except when the company said that they want to investigate automation along the lines of automated ticket gates in the future. And bam – the union said no and out they went.
  
  Not for Wellington things like automation like in most cities in the world I guess.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:45am
- Biscuit
  
  And, Waikatogirl, after being thoroughly inconvenienced by the unionists today what will happen if the employer folds and grants the unionists their demands?
  
  Why, ticket prices will need to increase.
  
  The commuter will cop it AGAIN…
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:13am
  - cmm
    
    “Why, ticket prices will need to increase.
    
    The commuter will cop it AGAIN…”
    
    Considering the taxpayers are already covering the lion’s share of the ticket price to make it “work,” I really don’t think the commuters should be bitching. Nor should the unions – they’re getting the taxpayer to subsidise their incompetence.
    
    Also, more likely Robbo will just miraculously find a few more million under the sofa so no doubt this will be all done “for free”.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:42am
- SPLOOGE
  
  You really are a one eyed fool WG.
  As blinded by your prejudices as it’s as possible to be.
  The railway strike has nothing to do with Labour.
  You might as well say it’s the Martians fault.
  Stupid stupid girl. Get a life.
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:55am
  - softail 1450
    
    splodge ,,,,,is that a plaintiff bleating from the fool in Queensland ?
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:58am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Bahahaaa.
      You really are a scratched record boy. Spewing jealously the same crap every day.
      If you have nothing to say may I suggest that you just shut the fuck up, Your juvenile waffling is as pathetic as you are boring.
      Join the silly cow WG and attempt a life.
      Fool.
      Bahahahaaaa.
      And yes. Magnetic island is just lovely.
      
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      November 16, 2017 12:11pm
      - starboard
        
        You’re not in Queensland ya loser. You’re a dreamer. Walter Mitty. A liarbor flunky.
        Go home and beat your family little man.
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:52pm
      - GazzaW
        
        And here’s us thinking that you were scuba diving the Barrier Reef and four wheel driving FNQ’s magnificent rain forests and you’re on Magnetic Island – Townsville’s equivalent of Waiheke! You’re a disappointment to us all Splooge.
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:57pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Cairns/Tablelands/Cooktown/Daintree/Port Douglas/TSV(friends)/Magnetic for 4 days.
        
        I revel in your jealousy Gazza, I bet you wish you were here, 30 degrees, sunny, warm water great food, fantastic hospitality.
        I’d go as far as to say that I’m a pig in shit.
        It’s a shame one can’t post pictures then I could really rub your nose in it your gormless loser.
        
        Bahahaaaaa.
        
        Love you all.
        
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        November 16, 2017 2:44pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Bahahahaaaaa (an all too common outburst).
    
    Well, Splodge I hate to disappoint you. FNQ was my second home for a considerable period so there’s no need to post any pics. In fact I agree with everything you say about the destination. You have covered an exceptionally large territory in such a short period – self drive SUV or tour?
    
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    November 16, 2017 3:55pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      I spend a lot of time here too Gazza
      Audi Q7 from Cairns to Cairns and delivering a Pajero back to TSV at a reduced price.
      It helps to be a gold member at the rental firm.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:16pm
- KKKKatee
  
  “Jabber Jaws” Ardern has a lot of back peddling to do and it’s not even a month since she was anointed by the great man himself….
  A disaster of nuclear proportions……
  
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  November 16, 2017 6:50pm
starboard

Jacinda Ardern…NOT OUR PM.
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November 16, 2017 8:00am
- RalphT
  
  She was never going to be; she was always going to be the unions’ PM.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  0824 – The Australians are apparently suggesting that NZ take all 400 of the Manus Island queue jumping economic wannabes; 3,2,1 . . . . . calamity!
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:25am
  - CHFR1
    
    God no she is just stupid enough to do it.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:28am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Tooth Fairy will be egged on by the stupid Green MP Gorilla Man to take all refugees around the world.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:36am
      - sooty
        
        Bring on enough people to have rugby style protesters.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:12am
  - Morrissey
    
    http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/04fc44eda98b81129793f79873213044bfe843-wm.jpg?v=3
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:19am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Yeah.
  Unfortunately if you are a member of New Zealand society then Jacinda Ardern is your Prime Minister.
  Some of us reluctantly accepted that the lying cheating hair pulling egotistical arsewipe Key was our PM so suck it up boy. There ain’t nothing you can do about it.
  So wipe your eyes, pull up your nappy and get on with it.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:16pm
  - Harkman
    
    What, 36.9% most people don’t like her.
    
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    November 16, 2017 7:36pm
stigie

If you’re going to be offended, please don’t open !~

https://www.askideas.com/media/08/Funny-Laughing-Donkey-Image.png
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November 16, 2017 8:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  You don’t even have to Photoshop her face on to it to get the likeness.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:20am
- Liberty
  
  Did you have permission from Womens weekly ?
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:24am
  - Piniwi
    
    Looks like a horse that smokes and has not heard of Colgate.
    
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    November 16, 2017 5:11pm
holysheet

For those who want a running argument between pro and anti drunken dwarfers, read the link;

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nz.general/lA29JVGJc6E
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November 16, 2017 8:06am
BarryB

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I have been surprised at the negativity and vitriol that has been spouted about the new government – especially on this site – which had (I repeat Had) a reputation of being a sort of reasonable place with mostly good thought out comments.
I didn’t vote for the new lot – but the National Government had turned into a very lazy lot who in the last three years had done virtually nothing. Their post election reaction confirmed the thought that they had fallen into a state of thinking that they should be government by right. About the only thing Key did was fail to get a new flag, the this last lot under English (who at heart is a decent guy) couldn’t see that housing was a mess and that immigration was an economic mirage
The report from Barry Soper in todays Herald (and I hope its not a typical NZH crap story) indicates that he at least thinks Ardern and Peters and the rest of them are doing a very good job at APEC. Hes especially complimentary about Peters. Yes I think the devotion to Manus Island is stupid – but it seems very few – if any – can criticize the rest of what they are apparently achieving.
So – credit where credit is due – otherwise this site will turn into another Daily Blog outfit.
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November 16, 2017 8:10am
- Longknives
  
  You need to pay more attention Barry- This so-called ‘Government’ is a Trainwreck the likes we haven’t seen before…
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:14am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Longknives.
    You really are a fool.
    For this government to be a train wreck first it has to crash.
    Don’t confuse your dreams with reality.
    Good lad.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:19pm
- Lance
  
  Barry Barry Barry….
  They fucking lied to us (or more accurately the fools dumb enough to believe them)!!!!!!!!
  It’s only been a few weeks and the lies are coming thick and fast.
  Shock horror, the latest realization is Steven Joyce was right about the fiscal hole.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:14am
  - BarryB
    
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    AH – Im still waiting for the list of 10 bridges that some government promised for northland a while ago. And when they were asked if it was a by-election bribe they went all coy and said “Of course not”
    
    They ALL tell lies – didnt you know that? Its just that some take the Goebbells approach – tell really big ones, while others are more careful about them.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:23am
    - Lance
      
      Oh cut the crap.
      They ALL lie therefore anything a govt does is good seems to be what you are saying?
      
      I call bullshit on that.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:25am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        You can’t have it both ways son.
        
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        November 16, 2017 12:20pm
- Ross12
  
  Barry
  Soper is effectively Peter’s PR agent and also has been a die hard Labour supporter since “the year dot” so I would take his comments with a grain of salt.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:20am
  - MickMac
    
    don’t forget his wife!
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:02am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      There’ll be trouble at t’mill in the Soper-DPA household, given that Heather ripped into Labour at the weekend, accusing them of starting their term by lying.
      
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      November 16, 2017 9:09am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        bob each way in that household so a least one of them is earning to turn the lights on, fill the gun cabinet etc.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:00am
- cmm
  
  When it comes to the TPP, National put in the hard yards of doing all the negotiations, then Cindy and Winnie just go there for the signing ceremony.
  
  Yet somehow, National has been lazy and Cindy should take the credit.
  
  I hope you’re not a teacher rotting the brains of our future generations!
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:25am
  - Paulus
    
    TPP has not been signed – yet – there is an increasing left wing ground swell brewing led by the Unions and the anarchist Green Party to delay/stop if they can.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:53am
- Simon
  
  “So – credit where credit is due ”
  
  Yep falling housing values and raising inflation / higher interest rates. It is going to be delicious.
  
  Cant wait for Labo’s party trick for the economy.
  
  What is planned is a massive spend on bits of infrastructure (not across the board of course just shit no one really wants like light fucking rail and failed transport from the 1950s trams) and plans in place to prevent “inequality” such as low housing areas.
  
  Once this is all in place then its open doors immigration . Another million people from China / India for Auckland to help pay for all the shit.
  
  The future is glorious.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:32am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Barry Soap is a old hack who is drinking Ardern kool aid and turning up stories every day. If you want to believe him, your head needs inspection.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:38am
  - BassilFawlty
    
    It seems Barry has crawled all the way up the arce of Wynston as well as chompers.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:08am
- softail 1450
  
  Barry ,,,”I didn’t vote for the new lot “. ha,ha,ha,he,hehe,lol,lol, yeah right.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:39am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    I didn’t either.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:22pm
    - stigie
      
      yes you did !
      
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      November 16, 2017 12:26pm
    - softail 1450
      
      splodge ,,,don’t get that ever increasing sized nose sunburnt splodge ,,,”I didn’t either”,stop bullshitting ,
      next thing you’ll be telling me you have an ocean capable yacht and a big european 4wd,,,oh wait.
      do you ever regret getting pissed and bragging about those items weeks ago,not to mention the “girth “statement?
      
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      November 16, 2017 12:27pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        ,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,
        ,
        ,,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,?
        AWD, not 4WD.
        Oh and it was Mar. 2015 and clearly I was taking the piss.
        
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        November 16, 2017 12:48pm
      - starboard
        
        Bawhaha..all liarbor stallwarts lie. Liarbor=lies and bullshit.
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:56pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Ohhh poor ‘ol starboard.
        Squeals like a hog.
        Squeal boy, squeal.
        Bahahaahaaaaaaaaa.
        I love you Mr Starboard.
        I love the way you live in denial, I love they way you hate yourself, your entire pathetic existence.
        Your misery makes me happy.
        Do keep it up, for my sake, not yours.
        
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        November 16, 2017 2:49pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I think Barry is basically right. We should expect the government to perform badly because they are inexperienced, socialism doesn’t work anywhere, and there are too many cooks and one of them is known to be a narcissistic charlatan.
  
  But not every questionable statement is a lie, and not every lie is cast iron proof of unfitness to govern. We don’t want to descend to the level of derangement of the left after Trump won.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:50am
  - treadingthemill
    
    We don’t want to descend to the level of derangement of the left after Trump won.
    
    Too late…
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:26am
- rangitoto
  
  I’m sure Mr Soper had an excellent junket.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:52am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

I am sorry. I don’t have any sympathy. NZ deserves this for voting Winnie the Poo in. Get ready for more strikes around Christmas time. NZ you asked for it, now bend over and take it.
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November 16, 2017 8:11am
Longknives

Fuck me Sideways! We knew it was coming but it didn’t take long-

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/98924137/how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-todays-samesex-marriage-postal-survey-result

“For example, you may explore different perceptions of gender and sexuality (like transgender and asexual identities),”

Why on earth would I have to discuss ‘Transgender Perceptions’ with my children??
I have no issue with Gay Marriage but this is never going to end is it?
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November 16, 2017 8:12am
- Aliog
  
  If you want to be fucked sideways, you may need a gender identity all of your own!
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:23am
  - Chris R
    
    I wondered that too! Do you think the practice is expensive? This is all new to me. This blog is a great place to learn new stuff!
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That reminds me of the one liner I saw on a Wicked Campervan once”man who walks through turnstiles sideways, is going to Bangkok”.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:42am
  - Dave Mann
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:55am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Just a tender touch would send the bitter and twisted fool recoiling.
    As for sex, I doubt he’s had it in years.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:24pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I already talked to my children about that.
  If you are gay you get thrown of a building, if you are a lesbian, stoned to death.
  If you want to fuck a goat you won’t be doing that until you are 18.
  
  White people make all this gender stuff far more complicated than it really is.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I thought that you had to wait until the Goat was 18, or 18 in human years that is, no kid fiddling…
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:54am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      You see.. immature comments like that expose the low level of sexual education in the West.
      
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      November 16, 2017 10:22am
- CHFR1
  
  My 12 year old things transgenders are mentally ill and her friends are just grossed out by all the sex talk, as they should be a 12.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:35am
  - softail 1450
    
    Chfr1. to speak such common sense your 12 year old must be home schooled because they wouldn’t have learnt that at our liberal reeking school system.
    more likely to have learned”what clothes to choose if you think you might be transsexual “
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:47am
    - CHFR1
      
      Not home schooled but just a sensible perspective on the world. She is blessed that while her principal is head in the clouds her teacher is not.
      
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      November 16, 2017 9:14am
    - Longknives
      
      They have compulsory ‘Wear a Dress to School’ days for Aussie Schoolboys now.
      I’m struggling to get my head around what could possibly be achieved with such bullshit?
      
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      November 16, 2017 9:59am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Like walking in someone elses high heels?
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:08pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    ‘My 12 year old things’
    The only 12 year old things I have are single malts.
    What 12 year old things do you have?
    Where do you keep them?
    Is it legal?
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:27pm
    - stigie
      
      Splurge is really interested folks..?
      
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      November 16, 2017 12:30pm
- MickMac
  
  no.
  this is cultural war.
  always has been and if you didn’t know then you do now.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  You seem to have a ‘bit on the side’, you lucky bugger. As for SSM, well you can now marry your goat, or turtle.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:51am
oldpark

At least we know that the grill locked motorists in Wellington will not be worried about the type of chaos that the Trade Union Gang has inflicted on them by way of a rail strike.
They did vote in great numbers for Lie-bour/Green /Peters/Ctu/which makes up the “Coalition of Chaos”.
In fact they should in fact applaud “Poll Pot” Peters and “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern. The day he anointed Comrade Ardern and selected her as the “default” PM of NZ.
“Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern hopped into a taxpayer funded Limousine and headed for the offices of the Combined Trade Union,her real puppet masters. Her words “Go for it we are with you all the way” in your endeavours..Or words to that affect.
Today a Rail Strike supported by “Poll Pot” Peters selected “default” NZs PM. Comrade Ardern.What a disgrace.
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November 16, 2017 8:13am
- Paulus
  
  Listening to on the street Wellingtonians they are say clearly that they are very sympathetic to the strike – but that is Wellington at its finest – a day off because I cannot get my train – yea !
  Children doing NCEA have been told to get on with it.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:57am
- Ed Snack
  
  “Grill Locked” motorists, poor bastards just aren’t caught in traffic but on the barbeque as well !
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:55am
Rodney Randall

Golriz closing statements from Maiden speech:

“And to maybe the most political person I know. Though a very large, loud white boy, my partner, who at some point (it feels like a lifetime ago) stopped me mid rant, when I was lamenting the lack of activism in politics, losing some of my favourite MPs. I was saying: which candidate will stand up against the GCSB? Who’ll be the new Keith Locke? You stopped me and said: You will be that candidate”

Keith Locke, an avowed communist and the Honourable Member for Cambodia:)
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November 16, 2017 8:15am
- Longknives
  
  Golriz is way more dangerous than Keith Locke.
  Her extremist views are similar but the difference is that Locke was pretty roundly disliked and ignored and she is a ‘Media Darling’ (who gush and hang off her every word)
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:20am
  - cmm
    
    There is almost universal distrust in the MSM.
    
    Being loved by the MSM is no longer seen as a positive endorsement.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:27am
  - marcw
    
    I think there is a close battle between Golriz and Davidson as to who is the most dangerous. I vote for Davidson as she is embedded into the grievance industry, and has chips the size of Kaiangaroa forest on both shoulders.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:11am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  This refugee MP Gorillaman is a very dangerous woman. Watch out for her crazy policies.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    SCS, she is as dangerous as that public city seeking child Chockey Swarfega.
    
    Swarbrick also had her maiden speech last night.
    
    She is a personal publicity seeking guided egotist second to none. Like the tooth fairy she doesn’t let the truth get in the way of her scoring a headline if a microphone is pointed her way as seen in last year’s mayoral election.
    
    Anyhow, last night she told the world that she saw it as her mission in life to fight injustice and put right what was unjust. Very laudable, except for one detail 95% of all injustice or in just situations in the world are in the minds of interfering politicians or have been caused by interfering politicians. So, is she going to seek to undo the work of her colleagues, not likely. No, we have a first class busy body here, who will interfere because she perceives injustice, & wants headlines to expose the “guilty” & to be seen as the one who puts the world “right”.
    Truly dangerous!
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:08am
- Huevon
  
  (vomits)
  
  That’s almost as bad as Clarke Gayford praising Jacinda for milking his almond nuts.
  
  What is it with these leftie chicks and their sackless boyfriends?
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:47am
  - Morrissey
    
    Something tells me you fantasize incessantly about “leftie chicks”. I don’t blame you for that, my friend: just as the Devil has all the best music, the Left has ALL the best “chicks”.
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:17am
    - starboard
      
      Er thats right spurlge..delahunty..curran..williams..dyson..klarkula…turia…ardern…an endless supply of *snigger* good sorts *chortle*. You sad fuck.
      
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      November 16, 2017 2:04pm
    - Harkman
      
      Morrissey
      
      “Something tells me you fantasize incessantly about “leftie chicks”. I don’t blame you for that, my friend: just as the Devil has all the best music, the Left has ALL the best “chicks”.”
      
      Raquel Welch ain’t no leftie, maybe the most beautiful woman of all time.
      
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      November 16, 2017 7:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heh, Morrissey has obviously never watched Fox News
      
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      November 16, 2017 7:51pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    I reckon you’d be afraid to say that to his face in a setting where he could retaliate Huevon.
    He is after all a real man unlike all the weaklings here.
    But hey feel free to do it here with all the other big noting brave people.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:30pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Lockstep trolling responses from the resident Labour trolls in response.
    
    Stand together brothers – day off from working down t’pit or on the railways?
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:56pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Ohhh dear DP.
      You really are suffering.
      Take two red pills and have a lay down.
      
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      November 16, 2017 1:04pm
- chris
  
  Imagine the outrage if a white male National MP talked about his large black girl in his maiden speech in Parliament. Different standards, I guess.
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:45am
- Harkman
  
  As I said two weeks ago, we need a law so only legally NZ born citizens should be elected to our Parliament.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:00pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    That’s a stupid idea.
    Savage was an Australian.
    
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    November 16, 2017 1:05pm
    - holysheet
      
      So what. your point is lost when you said he was an auzzie. Just another useless liabore fucker.
      
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      November 16, 2017 2:36pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        The only thing lost here is the National party…out in the wilderness with no (moral) compass and no idea how to survive. And for that I rejoice.
        
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        November 16, 2017 2:51pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’m mystified by this woman. Her family fled from the Iranian islamist regime. Her feminism should make her aware that islam is a dangerous ideology. Instead, she seems to come to the conclusion that letting every refugee, whatever their ideals, into the country is a great idea and that criticizing islam is ‘islamophobia’.
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:32pm
  - Harkman
    
    Classical Liberal, my friend, you assume she is somehow rational with a properly calibrated thought process. This is obviously not the case.
    
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    November 16, 2017 7:46pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Oh wow! She’s a very insightful young slip of a thing isn’t she?
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:19pm
Nukuleka

I watched Kelvin Davis, our country’s acting Prime Minister, answer questions in Maori on PQT yesterday. Three things stuck me:

This was an obvious ploy on his part to attempt to hide his bumbling inadequacies from the overwhelming majority of NZers, pakeha and Maori, who do not speak that language nor understand it.

There was no onscreen translation into English for viewers who were therefore deprived of knowing just what he was- or was not- saying. This is a gross oversight on the part of those responsible for parliamentary Broadcasting.

People in countries such as Tonga prefer to speak in English when dealing with complex issues because they recognise that a language such as Tongan doesn’t possess a sophisticated enough vocabulary and syntax to adequately express the range of nuances and meanings that English does. They simply cannot say exactly what they mean in Tongan and so use English to discuss anything other than the most basic concepts. I would assume that Maori is exactly the same.
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November 16, 2017 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you can wait a day, you can get the translation ..
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171115_20171115_04
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:23am
  - Nukuleka
    
    But should I have to? I think not.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:55am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    As I suspected. Nothing but waffle from Davis. His fluency in Te Reo Maori does not hide his inability to answer straightforward questions.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:14am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And that’s why he’s talking Maori, so that the rest of us can’t hear his inadequate answers.
      In his defence though, his Maori sounds a hell of a lot better than that of Tubby Turei (or Mallard).
      
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      November 16, 2017 9:33am
      - Jack5
        
        I guess he is trying to show that he is Maori as much as white – a reaction to the whitey image he sees in the mirror.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:08am
- KevOB
  
  Maori can deal with ancient tribal life–it’s useless for modern times. Ngata and them knew that but the white second guessers need issues to protest and cause dissent.
  
  Teachers are some of the worst.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:26am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  For some people, the goal is not to communicate effectively. Anyway, he’s just the diversity. Grob is the real deputy leader.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    When the RNZ people spout their Maori intros these days, they are communicating very effectively: ‘we are SJWs and have done our homework. If you don’t know what we’re saying, you’re a stupid worm.’
    
    Ironically, when I was at uni years ago I tried to enter a Maori language course to learn the basics. They refused to take me, because I’m the wrong race. The course was for Maori only.
    
    My usual way of learning a language is to get a dictionary and a good piece of literature and start reading. That’s how I learned French and it’s very enjoyable. Impossible with Maori: I got a dictionary and a book, but many of the words were not in the dictionary. I finally worked out why: so many ‘Maori’ words used in the modern world are very vague transliterations of an English word, much hindered by the lack of some letters in Maori (e.g. no ‘s’, no ‘d’ etc.). Reading in Maori proved impossible.
    
    That was in my more PC days. Get beaten on the head enough by harsh realities and one gives up on being PC.
    
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    November 16, 2017 1:46pm
- VicParking
  
  I doubt if parlimentary services will get their act together. They are still trying to get their new IT service working. On monday I received by email Thursdays list of Oral questions. Credit where get is due yesterday I got Tuesdays and Wednesdays questions at 2:30.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:48am
  - Biscuit
    
    Vic, I had no idea you could ‘order’ a list.
    
    That would only be useful to me if received BEFORE the shebang started at 2pm.
    
    Do they (consistently) beat that deadline?
    
    On Question Time (which I watch assiduously!), I have to say I am deeply impressed by Trevor Mallard’s approach to his new job – no pompous entry, almost a card system to deal with needless banter while a question is being asked (‘the Minister has just earned the Opposition an extra supplementary’) etc.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:21am
    - VicParking
      
      Biscuit.
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/alerts/NoAccess
      Got todays at lunch time
      
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      November 16, 2017 4:05pm
- Piniwi
  
  Strange that Nukuleka but it consolidates the view that equality is a one sided coin while interesting to note how many natives in the House have to listen to the translation provided. The lack of onscreen translation is obviously not seen as a priority but helps us see Davis can say nothing bilingually. Sure it is a challenge to keep up with the rate of NEW words added to native gibberish even on Google.
  Here in the Philippines with more than 140 dialects they take the soft more common option of using the English words. Example they said on local news the “Prime Minister of New Zealand Miss Jacinda Ardern” without new words.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:47pm
Happychappy

So Jacinda is to change NZLaws to achieve her goal of bringing murders and rapists from Manus Island as Refugees. Jacinda has said she will make a law prohibiting these people from ever visiting Australa while settled in NZ all this so she can make the World stand up and assume what a great Leader and person the Prime Mimister is for NZ. Personally I think there should be a petition started making sure that if these people commit Murder or violent crime in NZ that she and Labour are held responsible like the act where employers are held through Health and Safety. You can not keep doing what has happened with Pike River to try and bring people that have been dealt with and many millions paid out if the same Laws don’t apply to those in responsible positions like the Prime Minister of NZ and her staff do not have to obey that same sort of Law.
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November 16, 2017 8:24am
- backster
  
  Clearly she is intent on copying Merkel and the result will be the same or worse as the ones she imposes on us will be trapped on our islands not able to diverse into neighbouring countries as in Europe.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:20am
- marcw
  
  “… she will make a law prohibiting these people from ever visiting Australa while settled in NZ”
  
  I can see that Human Rights lawyers and activist judges will never be short of employment or gravy trains to ride on the taxpayers dime. If this is her infantile level of solving her conscience issues, we will be forever f@$ked.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:21am
  - Piniwi
    
    True marcw. There is that Fool Factor dominating their actions again.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:51pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Oh great, so they won’t get a chance of killing any Aussies and/or, raping their children, just ours then, it would seem.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:56pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Captain’s Call once again. Is the safety of the NZ people not paramount Jacinda? And you thought Sue Bradford and Laila Harre were lunatics?
  We have the biggest lunatic of the lot (or should that be Dictator) getting way too big for her boots…
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:23pm
Rodney Randall

“Human Rights are Universal – we don’t have fewer rights based on our religion, where we were born, or who we love- We don’t have fewer rights for having children out of wedlock, or being charged with a crime.
There is no such thing as ‘the deserving poor’, or the good refugee – we have rights not because good. But because we are human.
Human rights are Indivisible- We have a bundle of rights. You can’t have one without the others” – Golriz Gharahman.

http://www.unhcr.org/protection/hcdialogue%20/50ab90399/islam-refugees.html

Islam and Refugees UNHCR
Section 12: Challenges to overcome (Note the softening down of language)
However, principles in Islamic law regarding refugee assistance and protection remain largely ignored in academic and political discourse and certain challenges need to be discussed. For example, Islam recognises two types of rights: rights that humans are obliged, by virtue of being the creations of God, to fulfil and obey; and rights that they are entitled to expect from their fellow human beings. This may appear to have some contradiction (how gentle) with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) where the latter corresponds to what are elsewhere termed ‘human rights’. The former are rights that stem from, and are obtained through, belief in God and religion. In this concept only, God truly has rights and the rights of humans are understood as their obligation to abide by God’s commands. They are, first and foremost, the rights of individuals to abide by and adhere to the laws that God decreed and are only possible through this belief system, thus possibly (how gentle) excluding people who do not believe in God.

13. Another potentially difficult point to reconcile is the principle of equality between men and women. The UDHR affirms unconditionally the complete equality between the two sexes. Under Sharia law a woman can expect to be provided for, while men expect to inherit twice as much as the woman. In the situation of the rights of restitution of property to refugees, for example, this would raise questions. What are the implications, for example, for the many female-headed households trying to survive or rebuild lives and livelihoods after conflict and displacement?
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November 16, 2017 8:26am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “we don’t have fewer rights based on our religion, where we were born, or who we love- We don’t have fewer rights for having children out of wedlock, or being charged with a crime.”
  
  The SJWs always preach to the converted, don’t they? Nice and safe and easy. She needs to go to any islamic country and convince those in power of this.
  
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  November 16, 2017 2:08pm
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More properties are being auctioned but fewer are being sold at Barfoot & Thompson’s auctions | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90901/more-properties-are-being-auctioned-fewer-are-being-sold-barfoot-thompsons-auctions

Auction activity has picked up at Barfoot & Thompson over the last few weeks but that has not been matched by an increase in sales clearance rates.

Last week tthe agency, which is the biggest in Auckland by a substantial margin, marketed 169 residential properties for sale by auction and sold just a quarter of them (see chart below).

Those numbers exclude properties that were auctioned on site because the results of those auctions have not been released, but they generally make up only a small number of the properties auctioned in any week.

In the previous week Barfoot marketed 183 properties for sale by auction and achieved sales on 38% of them. … read more via hyperlink above
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Difficult start to summer for housing market with sales volumes down 16% in October and prices down in many regions | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90897/difficult-start-summer-housing-market-sales-volumes-down-16-october-and-prices-down

House prices are declining in Auckland but setting new records in some other parts of the country, according to the Real Estate Institute of NZ.

The REINZ’s median house price in Auckland was $850,000 in October, barely changed from September’s median of $848,000 but down 3.2% compared to the October 2016 median of $878,500.

That was the biggest annual decline in Auckland’s median price since December 2010.

Auckland’s median price has now declined by $55,000 (6%) from its March peak of $905,000. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 16, 2017 8:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks Hugh, now admit to us that National’s policies are working.
  Too early for Twatford to claim the credit.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:40am
- Harkman
  
  Your posts have no purpose. They go nowhere.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:07pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Much like this blog.
    Same idiots spouting the same crap everyday.
    It’s lucky you have the likes of me to get it going.
    
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    November 16, 2017 1:07pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes you’re right. You, morris mini, Jason johns, muttonbrain, billy oakley etc. You all need lives.
      
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      November 16, 2017 6:29pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Bahahaaaaaa.
        Says the feckless and unfunny dork Hull.
        
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        November 16, 2017 8:20pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Bill Gates just bought 25,000 acres in Arizona to build a new ‘smart city’ | Business Insider h/t PH
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-gates-buys-arizona-land-to-build-smart-city-2017-11?r=US&IR=T
        
        • Bill Gates has committed $US80 million through one of his investment firms, Belmont Partners, to build a “smart city” in Arizona.
        
        • The city will integrate high-speed internet, smarter manufacturing, and systems that accommodate self-driving cars.
        
        • As more people move into cities, such technologies are poised to become more necessary. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … highlighted by Cam Slater of Whaleoil in New Zealand …
        
        I’ll bet they are all affordable too – Whale Oil Beef Hooked | Whaleoil Media
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/ill-bet-affordable/
        
        … which will be helped by REAL MARKET construction costs …for example … Pulte Homes in Arizona …
        
        https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
        
        How will New Zealand’s new Labour Government affordable housing developments be managed …
        
        Like the above …
        
        … or …
        
        … the loser British bureaucratic bozo style ? …
        
        … ESSENTIAL VIEWING …
        
        Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
        
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        November 16, 2017 8:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        British politicians: The housing idiots are still blathering …
        
        Cabinet split over housing as May and Hammond spar | Daily Mail Online
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5088317/Cabinet-split-housing-Hammond-spar.html
        
        Sajid Javid risked stoking the bitter inter-generational divide today as he slammed Baby Boomers for talking ‘nonsense’ about the housing crisis.
        
        The Communities Secretary said the post-war generation had ‘long ago’ paid off their own mortgages and were not ‘facing up to the reality’ of the problems for young people.
        
        He ridiculed the idea that under-30s could afford to buy homes if only they would stop going on ‘nights out’ and eating ‘smashed avocado’.
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        The Great British Embarrassment … Allister Heath of the UK Telegraph 2 years ago …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … Remarkably, 354,700 new homes were built in France last year, compared with 140,880 across the UK, a pathetically inadequate number barely half of that required. The French were actually bitterly disappointed with their own performance: their recent average has been around 400,000 homes a year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        … continuing the sad history … essential viewing … the (seething) property managers comments at the end are priceless …
        
        Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
        
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        November 17, 2017 3:40am
oldpark

We are now trying to find out the names of so many liars who call themselves economists. With the help of the sicko social media outlet called “Stuff” as well as all the other crazy we know best news outlets on Stephen Joyce prediction that the mad dog craven cowardly Lie-bour/Green/Peters /gang of no hopers were at least 11,000,000,000 Billion Dollars shy of the real figures needed to run NZs rockstar economy.
Seems Stephen Joyce predictions were on the ball .What an indictment of his naysayers..
NZs voters were conned and mislaid by our Trade Union infested “News Media”. they even called him a liar. Who is sorry now. Not “Poll Pot” Peters or “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern ,they are enjoying living the lie as NZs politicians.
Maybe Karma will help the good ship NZ .before the plastic appointed Politicians ,with recent happenings in a very short time,drives the good ship NZ onto the rocks.
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November 16, 2017 8:30am
- VicParking
  
  Stephen was wrong it was $13 billion not $11 billion. As this year and next pan out he will get wronger and wronger as it creeps up to $20 billion.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:43am
- Poppa
  
  Yes that hole has always been real. Forecasting 4% plus GDP growth was never going to be a reality & in fact will be lucky if it is 3%.
  
  I bet Robbo is dreaming up some half arsed excuse as we speak. Borrow & spend folks
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Grunty
    Collect and not return money from Taxpayers – no interest to pay either
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    http://www.labour.org.nz/fiscalplans-forecasts
    Labour have assumed absurd annual GDP growth of 4.9%, 4.7%, 4.1% (GDP 282,626 296,548 310,543 323,240) over their term. An average 3-year rate of 4.5% that has only been achieved once in last 40 years, and higher than even a fiscally responsible govt could hope to achieve in these times, but to hope for that while instituting bad-old-days industrial relations law changes and massive new taxes? Pure delusion.
    
    They also forecast literally incredible revenue growth of 5.5%, 5%, 4.2% (108,326 114,263 119,987 124,982) over their term – when any 1st year economist student knows that higher taxes kill growth. How anyone can defend this fantasy is beyond me and paints an incredibly poor picture of the media and their tame economist commentators in failing to call them to task for this fairytale.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:47pm
  - VicParking
    
    They have alrady started. In a couple of Patsy questions today they are saying the country was left in a mess which the government kept hidden.
    
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    November 16, 2017 4:08pm
Ross12

For those who follow real estate, here is an interesting global view ( with data to back it up).
Our new PM even gets a mention. The comments on the Netherlands are particularly damning

“Fresh New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern has announced new policies to deter foreign buyers from purchasing more property in the country. She may not like what that does to the country’s economy. Most New Zealanders can no longer afford property in major centers, and forcing prices down this way will expose many present owners to margin calls and foreclosures.”
( I don’t agree that prices will be pushed down as he mentions but this a USA point of view)

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/11/the-biggest-ponzi-in-human-history/
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November 16, 2017 8:33am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Uptick for reading Automaticearth.
  
  Thought I was the only one in NZ reading that website!
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:56am
VicParking

John Campbell on Red Radio this morning dropped it all this morning. He told his listeners “to get a life”. Kim and Him tried to laugh it off but it was to late. Their laughs died out as the realised what they had said. I’m sure there was a few like me that turned them off on the spot.
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November 16, 2017 8:34am
- Lance
  
  Sounds like self flagellation listening to that crap
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:39am
  - softail 1450
    
    lance ,sitting in a room with the “helicopter hands” kim would be the worst form of punishment but Campbell deserves it.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:54am
    - lifesgood
      
      They don’t sit in the same room, unfortunately. It would be good to see Campbell slapped by flying hands but they are in different cities.
      
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      November 16, 2017 10:25am
- Peter
  
  A rare moment of clarity from Campbell, then.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:03am
softail 1450

it must be frightening for the Labour Party supporters on this blog how quickly the house build numbers are going up .
near six hundred already and despite nine years to think about it not one concrete idea yet ,let alone a single nail hammered in.
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November 16, 2017 8:35am
Padriv Ustoev

So we will be getting GST on internet purchases now.
Lovely. I wonder how they plan to implement it?
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November 16, 2017 8:35am
- Evadne
  
  Since they announced that they will make the foreign e-retail sites collect the GST for them, I believe they’ll follow Standard Operating Procedure for international negotiation: Jacinda will stamp her foot and give the death glare.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:44am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Details are scant, as per with this lot, but apparently overseas suppliers can “register” to become NZ’s tax collectors. Heh, yeah, OK.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You forgot boney finger waggling, the ‘conversation’ and a ‘panel of experts’; aside from that, all good
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:10am
- kevn
  
  P U… not just yet, ‘they’ haven’t figured out the logistics. Flip flop from Nash and Robertson. Cost more to collect than the actual income. Todd McClay had been looking at this for ages. The $400 threshold seems to work.
  
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  November 16, 2017 8:49am
- chris
  
  Pretty easy to get the likes of Amazon to collect GST on physical goods, given they already do it for digital purchases.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:01pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  There’s no reason they shouldn’t.
  Level playing field etc.
  But because Labour wants to bring it in it’s bad.
  If National wanted to do it you’d all be singing its praises.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:34pm
  - dime
    
    oh the irony
    
    and check prevous dpf posts about this. dipshit.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:42pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Bahahaaaa. No.
      Look Dime, I’m not here to be nice or fact check. This is open debate and I’m here to upset and annoy. It’s not hard to do with all your idiots gnashing and wailing about nothing.
      The thing that you’re upset about is that you didn’t win the election.
      Do you know why you didn’t win the election?
      I’ll tell you.
      You didn’t win the election because you didn’t get enough votes.
      Do you understand that?
      I’ll explain it to you again because you seem to be on the thicker end of the stupid scale.
      Your side needed over 50% of the vote to win. They didn’t get it and because of their arrogance and bridge burning no one else wanted to be on their side.
      It’s quite simple really.
      
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      November 16, 2017 12:56pm
lifesgood

So red radio claims they interviewed 30 people walking to work this morning and only one “head down and mumbling” objected to the strike. Pull the other leg! Another example of why you can not trust the MSM. Of course union infested, lefty red radio would say that, wouldn’t they?
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November 16, 2017 8:40am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  My brother is a car salesman in Wellington, talk about your captive market! Your new car will never go on strike!
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:33am
  - starboard
    
    Car salesman heh *snigger*
    Like sayin my bro’s an insurance salesman..
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    RNZ did admit that the parking machines were complicated. They didn’t mention that in most inner Wgtn places parking is hard to find and not permitted for the whole day. Many of these supposedly so happy Wellingtonians supportive of the strike won’t be so happy when they get their parking fines or get towed away.
    
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    November 16, 2017 2:18pm
- Piniwi
  
  What lifesgood? Did they also say that they had used up all their sick days so had to show up?
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:58pm
MrLovebucket

What a shambles the removal of National Standards is going to be – particularly for employers.

Employer : So young Sally, how did you go in year 12 mathematics?

Sally : (looks up briefly from her phone), I got an ‘Orange’ in maffs.

Employer : And did you sit any tests?

Sally : nah…. They just kept asking me over and over how I feel about gender and some treaty thing.

Employer : How about you, young Tarquin, what did you get in year 12 maths?

Tarquin : I got an “Apple”. Everyone got the same.
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November 16, 2017 8:51am
- Tarquin North
  
  Slight correction, I measure everything in beer bottles and large carbon foot prints.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:05am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I feel sorry for the children.
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:22pm
- holysheet
  
  Speaking of oranges and apples
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
  
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  November 16, 2017 2:45pm
marcw

The Speaker, trevor mallard, has decided the prayer to open each day’s Parliament will no longer have references to Christianity or the Queen. Apparently his reasoning is that the majority of NZers no longer feel these are relevant to their day to day lives.

So in a display of supreme arrogance he now haltingly reads a very poorly pronounced and obviously incomprehensible (to him) prayer in Te Reo.

If Christianity and the Queen are no longer relevant, how does this pratt then think in a display of virtual signalling (excelling even the Greens), that stumbling through a prayer in a language that less than 3% of NZers can understand is in any way acceptable?

Respect for mallard … zero.
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November 16, 2017 8:58am
- Paulus
  
  Are you confirming that Trevor behaves like Margaret Wilson, and is advised by Heather Simpson (H2) who is now in charge.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:07am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Queen is no longer relevant….
  
  So treaty of Waitangi and parliamentary democracy we have is out the window too?
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:11am
- Biscuit
  
  Aw marcw.
  
  I’m no leftie but I like Mallard’s changes.
  
  The country is now a diverse place.
  
  And Maori IS an official language, you know.
  
  [If it were me, mind, I’d just abolish the whole ‘prayer’ to whichever Imaginary Man in the Sky is involved.]
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:27am
  - wiseowl
    
    What does ‘official’ mean?
    The house should only use English so that everyone or the majority can understand what is happening in the highest court of the land.
    ‘Official’ means nothing .
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:51am
    - KevOB
      
      “Official” doesn’t make a language for use.
      Mr Speaker should NZ sign language at question time to add a bit of levity to the House.
      
      Languages outgrow their time and use: cobol and fortran among many other computer ones are superseded.
      
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      November 16, 2017 11:59am
  - marcw
    
    You miss the point Crackers, how is replacing a traditional prayer because of “irrelevance” with one that is infinitely more irrelevant going to make sense? It’s all … see, how hip, progressive and diverse I am. “Look at me” arrogance at its worst.
    
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    November 16, 2017 9:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Sure, but it is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy to claim that God and the Queen have no relevance and assume that we’ll find an incomprehensible chant in Maori is somehow.
    
    It’s just a signal to us “plebs” that we’re just not WOKE enough to appreciate how modern life must work. Someone really needs reminding that “1984” wasn’t an instruction manual.
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:58am
- Philview
  
  I noted a lot of support online for this change (not from me) and also getting rid of the national anthem as it forces Liberals to sing the word “God”. The other week there was a lot of discussion on changing the national anthem to “Poi E”. Not sure how this change would be done.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:04am
  - KevOB
    
    Mr Speaker and the new government may reject God and the Queen of NZ. Jacinda is not yet elevated to that status. However God is still in control and her pride will be her downfall. Care is required that we do not fall with her.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:14pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Get rid of Christmas and Easter too.
  Unless you support Christianity and want to teach your children to be good Christians.
  Because lets be honest here, it’s all about presents and chocolate and most people with kids are too fucking gutless to tell them otherwise.
  Hypocrites.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:38pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  One silver lining though: when Charles becomes King, would you really want to say or hear *anything* in his honour?
  
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  November 16, 2017 2:21pm
- VicParking
  
  It was a total mess this today. Mallard forgot:
  Petitions, Papers, Select committee reports and Introduction of bills
  And went straight into question time. Had to appologise and do it after question time.
  At least the prayer is in Maori so we no nothing anyway. Leaving out the queen is softing us up to a Republic.
  
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  November 16, 2017 4:18pm
Dave Mann

Che-cindy
Checindy

Uptick for Che-cindy, downtick for Checindy 😀
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November 16, 2017 9:09am
- Dave Mann
  
  Or alternatively…
  
  Che-cinda
  Checinda
  
  Same voting system. Or maybe none of these (maybe I’m off target?)
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:12am
- Dave Mann
  
  Or…
  
  None of the above… doesn’t work for me.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:17am
Rodney Randall

http://www.legal-project.org/issues/defamation-of-religions

“For over a decade, the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference, now renamed the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), has sponsored and actually pushed to passage a U.N. resolution calling on countries to criminalize what it terms “defamation of religion.” Though the language of these resolutions has changed at times, the OIC’s goal has remained the same—to impose at the international level a conception of freedom of speech and expression that would severely limit anything deemed critical of or offensive to Islam or Muslims. Unfortunately, even as the OIC continues its efforts to enshrine a binding version in international treaty law, the U.S. is softening its traditional opposition to such efforts and to the OIC in order to curry favor with the Islamic world. The negative impact of this approach on freedom of expression domestically and abroad could be significant.”

“The claim of Islam is that it is the last and final revelation from God to humanity. You don’t need another book after the Koran. You dont need any more evidence or argument. Now they want to say if you have any difficuly with this idea if you have any doubts about it, you are not allowed to express that because you are insulting us. You are making us feel hurt. Just imagine theses two claims put together – One, a fantastic claim, the other a fantastic claim that you cannot challenge. That is totalitarianism defined. It is a rape and a butchery of our constitution.” Christopher Hitchens.

The US says the concept of the defamation of religion has another meaning:

“While appearing in name to promote tolerance, the implementation of this concept actually fosters intolerance and has served to justify restrictions on human rights and fundamental freedoms.”
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November 16, 2017 9:10am
- Digmen1
  
  islam is the worst religion in the world, and should be eradicated.
  It should not be allowed at all in the west.
  Close all mosques,
  Ban hijab
  Offer them all free trips home.
  
  Long live Poland, Myanmar (only 400,000 to go), Slovakia and Hungary
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:21am
- Digmen1
  
  I though the book of Mormon was the last revalation from God in the 1800’s I believe.
  
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  November 16, 2017 9:22am
  - KevOB
    
    A self delusion by Joseph Smith.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:16pm
MickMac

i have never had respect for the bovver boy.
nor his collegues
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November 16, 2017 9:12am
- SPLOOGE
  
  He’d beat you in a bar fight with one hand tied behind his back.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:42pm
Rich Prick

Isn’t it funny, the “diversity” we are hectored into tolerating isn’t quite so tolerant itself.

The former president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Keysar Trad, was pleased at the 75 per cent “no” vote in Labor frontbencher Jason Clare’s electorate of Blaxland, and surprised it was not even higher.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-result-why-multicultural-communities-registered-huge-no-votes-20171115-gzltjr.html
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November 16, 2017 9:48am
Happychappy

So the Defence Minister has been breaking the NZ Medal protocol by wearing Medals against what is allowed for Our Defence Forces. Having this Portfolio and being the Minister does not give him the right to break a rule that he would have known and sets a bad example to the people he is supposed to control. But like the Messiah Peters he thinks they make the rules and those under their control will obey and allow him to break protocol.
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November 16, 2017 9:56am
- Dave Mann
  
  What on earth are you talking about?
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:05am
  - Happychappy
    
    Http:// www. nz herald.co.nz / Medals off mark for new Defence Minister says he will “seek advice” after questions raised.
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:32am
    - Duxton
      
      I saw that as well. Unfortunately, the reporter (and, therefore, the report) is incorrect. Ron Mark is no longer serving, and as a result the rules covering the NZDF no longer apply to him. It could be argued that he has a moral obligation to follow those rules by virtue of being MinDef, but that is a separate argument.
      
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      November 16, 2017 11:54am
Inandout

Grant Robertson’s fiscal hole has passed $11 billion already, and climbs by the day. By laughingly dismissing Joyce’s claim the MSM proved themselves to be disingenuous arseholes.
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November 16, 2017 9:58am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Has it?
  Do you have a reputable link to this?
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:44pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Don’t down vote, provide a link.
    
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    November 16, 2017 1:09pm
    - rangitoto
      
      ANZ Bank. Widely reported in the MSM. Robbo was trying to dance around it in QT yesterday.
      
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      November 16, 2017 1:10pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        That’s the name of a bank.
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:25pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Still no link.
        
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        November 16, 2017 1:56pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Here, Splodge: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98870648/economists-see-government-debt-rising-billions-more-than-labours-plan
        
        Wasn’t hard to find. Do you use a decent search engine?
        
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        November 16, 2017 2:31pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Yes. I already read it.
        I just wanted you to put it up too.
        Cheers.
        
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        November 16, 2017 2:55pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Yes!!! Loving it! Robbo will be very, very rattled by this. DPF should run a sweepstake to see who predicts the $$$$ value of the fiscal hole……
  I originally reckoned it could well be around the $30B mark, but I’m prepared to double that……
  Wonder what the financial genius Ardern has to say on the matter when she eventually returns to face the music……
  One month in the job and she’s proving to be a blithering idiot – who would’ve possibly thought that?
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:28pm
- rangitoto
  
  It’s like children got hold of their parents credit card.
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:48pm
EAD_TWO

A Black, Homosexual Cultural Marxist gets taught a hard in lesson in who really funds their activism and pays their rent.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/15/gay-times-suspends-editor-as-antisemitic-tweets-emerge-josh-rivers

It doesn’t matter that the tweets are from 2010, Black Queers are lower down in the game of top trumps.
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November 16, 2017 10:04am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Gotta love that “Progressive Stack”.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:09am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    “Progressive Stack” – that’s a great turn of phrase to describe the dynamic.
    
    “Oppression Olympics” is another goodie.
    
    The Oppression Olympics is a term used to describe a one-upmanship dynamic that can arise within debates about the ideological values of identity politics, intersectionality and social privilege. They have been described as “verbal banter between marginalized groups who are trying to determine the weight of their many intersectionalities of oppression (race, gender, socioeconomic status, disability) to determine who has it the worst”.
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/11/is-sjw-failed-experiment-of-left.html?m=0
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Homosexuality and Nazism is an interesting topic, EAD.
      
      Ernst Röhm, the early leader of the SA storm troopers was a prominent homosexual, and I see a book is into its fifth edition alleging homosexuality fuelled the extreme militarism of Nazi Germany. For more details:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Swastika
      
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      November 16, 2017 10:31am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Que??
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:53am
      - realityczech
        
        Jack5 has taught us the following factoids:
        
        1. Nazis were gay.
        2. Hitler was of Jewish ancestry.
        
        Sadly we can’t research his claims as you will go to prison and be denied travel if you try.
        
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        November 16, 2017 5:36pm
      - MickMac
        
        yep got it and read it years ago.
        Hitler had the entire Munich detective branch murdered in Krystalnacht, some said for they could ID him from his “streetwork”.
        Don’t forget Goering, corpulent drug addict too.
        
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        November 16, 2017 9:19pm
Jack5

New Zealand was long free of the homosexual prison rapes that seem to occur in America.

Not any more, and Judith Collins with her forcing of doubling up prisoners in cells is to blame.

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for convicts, but it is the State’s job to punish them – not the job of other convicts.

Note the irony of the name of the reporter of this item – his surname was hijacked by the homosexual community:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/343947/prison-rapist-sentenced-as-bunk-review-finds-failures
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November 16, 2017 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  The South American prisons are better designed, with maybe 20 prisoners per pen. Rape is difficult with 18 others looking on.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:25am
  - Jack5
    
    IandO:
    If you were a prisoner, you wouldn’t want cellmates knowing your pseudonym.
    
    But as for your statement, “Rape is difficult with 18 others looking on” … is that so? In the gang rapes do the cowardly scum look on before or after their “turn”? Perhaps the scum should be blinded as well as imprisoned.
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:34am
    - realityczech
      
      Jacksie, I agree, but am curious about your fixation on gays today. Have you boys had a tiff at home ?
      
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      November 16, 2017 5:37pm
- dime
  
  our asses bleed for them
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:52am
  - Morrissey
    
    Your sick fantasies are interesting.
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:20am
- Brito
  
  Here’s the reality.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScBgVq2qOCk
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:10am
Inandout

If I were a prisoner, yes.
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November 16, 2017 10:34am
Jack5

Now British student petals want Gladstone’s name removed from a university facilities. Tertiary trash.

There are Gladstone place/suburb/street names in the North and South islands.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/11/15/students-call-william-gladstones-name-removed-university-halls/
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November 16, 2017 10:50am
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 1: George Walker Herbert Bush

“My initial action was absolute horror. I was really, really confused. The first thing I did was look at my mum and, while he was still standing there, I didn’t say anything. What does a teenager say to the ex-president of the United States?”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/13/sixth-woman-accuses-former-president-george-hw-bush-groping/

http://time.com/5019182/george-hw-bush-groping-allegation/

“GROPERS” is researched and presented by GroperWatch, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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November 16, 2017 11:09am
- dime
  
  the Bush’s are garbage. its no wonder they get on so well with the clintons
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:10am
  - Morrissey
    
    Indeed, dime. I think you can be fairly certain that at least one of the Clintons will appear in this series. Until later, my friend.
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:15am
- Morrissey
  
  One pro-groper on Kiwiblog has registered his presence as of 11:18 a.m.
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:18am
  - Brito
    
    That would be you according to the time on your post? Is that the point you were trying to make?
    
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    November 16, 2017 11:38am
- Inandout
  
  There are a host of NZ actors who will name names, especially if there is money involved. Truthfully though, most NZ producers are broke.
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:31am
Manolo

The GOP is signing its death warrant:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-sen-ron-johnson-opposes-gop-senate-tax-package-1510777290

Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) said he opposes the Senate Republican tax package, saying it unfairly benefits corporations more than other types of businesses.

“If they can pass it without me, let them,” Mr. Johnson said in an interview Wednesday. “I’m not going to vote for this tax package.”
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November 16, 2017 11:41am
Brigitte

Should be fun at Q&A.

7. CHRIS BISHOP to the Minister of Police: Does he agree with the acting Prime Minister’s answer on Tuesday, when asked if the additional police will cost an extra $40 million, “yes, those costs have been finalised”; if so, what is the finalised cost per year of the additional 1,800 police promised over the next 3 years?

Now the police site helpfully tells us:

“As a probationary constable, you’ll enjoy a generous starting salary of $56,106 per annum ($62,791 total remuneration)”

And 1,800 x $62,791 = $113m!
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November 16, 2017 12:21pm
- RalphT
  
  And the true cost should be even higher. I don’t know how long a constable remains a probationer but by the end of the third year a number should be fully-fledged officers drawing even larger salaries.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:32pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Yes, and there is the extra trainers and all the associated costs as well. Joyce is also putting some numbers in as well during Q&A. Looks like National is trying to draw a few lines in the sand to refer back to later once reality hits home.
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:38pm
- fernglas
  
  Not only are there training costs, but they have to be equipped, given cars, computers and office space. Half of them will have to be given airfares from whichever country they migrate from, and of course their families will need to be housed, fed, educated and given health care. There will need to be more cells for those they lock up, and more lawyers and legal aid to represent them. Probably more prisons needed.
  
  But the maths on the salaries should be 600 x $62791 plus 1200 x $62791 plus 1800 x 62791 on the basis of an increase of 600 per year. That adds up to $226,000,000. Of course, they could do it the way they are going to with building houses and planting pine trees, and that is in a rush at the last moment and then they might get to your figure or less.
  
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  November 16, 2017 12:46pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Yes agreed although I was just pointing out the minimum annual salary bill for 1,800 once they are all trained and on the force.
    
    Robertson has no idea of how the NZ Super Fund works (borrow to play the sharemarket, so unleftlike) let alone the Treasury projections. Sadly Joyce was right but he can’t explain himself out of a paper bag (to mix metaphors badly).
    
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    November 16, 2017 12:55pm
    - Ross12
      
      Bridgitte
      I think you are being a little unfair on Joyce. At the time most of the MSM only reported part of his comment. He said something like –Labour have a fiscal hole of about $11.5 billion(?) OR they have allocated to spend everything and not allowed for any for inflationary increases or unforeseen circumstances.
      The MSM did not report the later because it did not suit their story.
      
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      November 16, 2017 2:59pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Don’t forget to factor in money saved by closing prisons. Perpetrators previously known as criminals will now be referred to as victims and will no longer face prison as a form of punishment, therefore saving more than enough to pay for the extra police.
  
  So why do Labour need the additional police? The police will have new priorities now. Police front-line staff will be required spend time looking for instances of hate speech, or any activity that threatens our newly arriving guests from the third world.
  
  They will also make sure that no father goes near any new born child of theirs in case the child bonds with them in some way.
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:57pm
EAD_TWO

Headline on my Yahoo feed:

“Police Body Cameras Can Threaten Civil Rights of Black and Brown People, New Report Says”

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/police-body-cameras-threaten-civil-215851117.html

Black people then: “Cameras don’t lie, we want a body camera on every cop”

Black people now: “woah woah woah bad idea never mind”
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November 16, 2017 1:03pm
- sooty
  
  What like catch them doing shit!
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:19pm
Digmen1

Regarding Stephen Joyce’s 11 billion hole.

I seem to recall that when the MS media interview some expert economists none of them really said there was no hole.

They gave vague statements but no hard evidence.

Why didn’t they say, Hang give me a couple of days to work it out and get back to you.
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November 16, 2017 1:13pm
- Brigitte
  
  Why did they say there wasn’t a hole? Technically because there wasn’t one in a strict sense. For example, if we took the Police budget now and added inflation and salary increases we might get a number say $50m more (I’ve made this up by the way) than Labour had in their budget. Now Joyce says that is a hole but it could be correct if you got rid of 600 police (which as discussed above is precisely the wrong direction to their current policy). As I commented above, Joyce couldn’t explain himself out of a paper bag. He needed to give the consequences of the budget as alternatives (i.e., more money = hole OR less staff OR no pay increases for 3 years = union hell to pay)
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:25pm
- Piniwi
  
  True Digmen1 but we must understand that was from plan A as set out in Robbo’s little Red book which is history since the COL was formed. He wrote the hole in there but as BERL said they simply checked the figures as provided by Robbo. Rubbish in=rubbish out. Now they are struggling to add up the total cost of the final WORD from the 38 page addendum. Perhaps old WP can help now that he is back since it is claimed he is good with numbers. Look at what he got for only 7%?
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:01pm
Jack5

Whale socks it to the multiculturist fools of the Immigration Department:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/judge-says-detain-deport-refugee-immigration-new-zealand-says-no/
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November 16, 2017 1:13pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Ahhh. But Slater is a bile spewing arsehole.
  Nothing he says should be taken seriously.
  His big mouth and over sized ego has gotten him into enough trouble.
  There’s a reason he’s never seen in public.
  
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  November 16, 2017 1:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    He is truly a piece of shit. The comments are what make a blog and look at the circle jerk of the few he has.
    
    Still better than your mates at the Standard though sunshine 🙂
    
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    November 16, 2017 5:44pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Except I’m never in there…banned actually.
      
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      November 16, 2017 8:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers Jack5 and we may see an addition blessing from WO that reduce the troll count on KB who pop up to try and change the subject of all threads here.
  In the absence of an amnesty for banned commenters ANYBODY can now comment and if it does not conform to the narrative it may be deleted. So said the banner today.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:49pm
Swifty

Who writes this crap? Is Lynley Bilby a Pom or a Kiwi city girl who is writing outside of her experience?

Family sick after eating wild boar….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944514

Did he shoot and cook a wild boar (i.e. a male) ot did he shoot and cook a pig?

I’ve been pighunting for forty years – the only time I’ve heard people cooking and eating ‘wild boar’ are poncy chefs or Asterix and Obelix.
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November 16, 2017 1:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Wild pig? Wonder if it wasn’t some of the illegal home kill that some Auckland ethnics buy. Perhaps, from an error, it was a bit of “horsie,” which I understand folk from one particular island country eat.
  
  But why would meat be poisoned, unless perhaps it was being used as bait for pests, such as truly wild boar?
  
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  November 16, 2017 2:02pm
  - Swifty
    
    Dunno. 1080?
    
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    November 16, 2017 2:36pm
  - marcw
    
    Possibly boutulism – improperly prepared or stored uncooked meat. It’s a deadly toxin produced in meat contaminated and stored in conditions which allow bacterial growth.
    
    Judging by the neurological symptoms described, this is a possibility.
    
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    November 16, 2017 3:59pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hadn’t been stored long. He shot it the same day.
      SWMBO tells me there’s a plant in the bush that pigs like to eat but it poisons the meat. She’s not sure what it’s called.
      
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      November 16, 2017 4:47pm
- Longknives
  
  These Romans are Crazy!
  
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  November 16, 2017 2:55pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Alea jacta est 😉
    
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    November 16, 2017 3:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh
    
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    November 16, 2017 3:10pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny that Swifty but the family picture is a great migrant ad for family reunification.
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:52pm
Jack5

Mexico’s narcos are killing so many people the morgues can’t cope with the bodies.

Why don’t the peaceniks protest about the narcos?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/15/mexico-morgues-closed-violent-overwhelmed-by-bodies
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November 16, 2017 2:04pm
softail 1450

the gnome and taxcinda are back and answering questions in parliament….jacinda looks very tired ,pale and drawn ,the gnome looks like he’s been on the booze for days….
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November 16, 2017 2:10pm
- RF
  
  I have been told by someone close to the action that they would not be surprised to see the PM to make her mark by either demoting one of her troops or putting them on notice. Just enough to send a chill through the ranks at this early stage
  
  It has been noticed that she currently does not appear to be in good health.
  
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  November 16, 2017 4:12pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “It has been noticed that she currently does not appear to be in good health.”
    
    Reaction to Asian food, some tropical bug, or morning sickness?
    
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    November 16, 2017 4:49pm
    - Longknives
      
      I’d say stress- She claims to suffer from Anxiety and this being her first job out of High School..I’d imagine her stress levels are through the roof!
      
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      November 16, 2017 5:05pm
      - nasska
        
        How true. JK aged about twenty years in eight & he was the type who thrived on stress.
        
        The People’s Princess will look like she’s due for the Queen’s telegram by the end of 2018.
        
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        November 16, 2017 5:13pm
- realityczech
  
  sup Softy ?
  
  “jacinda looks very tired ,pale and drawn”
  You would root her in a flash.
  
  “,the gnome looks like he’s been on the booze for days…”
  Probably has. Lets see if you are deciding governments, boozing and smoking, at his age.
  
  🙂
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:48pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    BAhahaaaa. Brilliant.
    I’ve had a few drinks with Peters and he’d outlast most even at his age.
    Never underestimate the man.
    
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    November 16, 2017 8:26pm
Fletch

I see that now that neither Clinton can exert any political influence, the media have finally gone after Bill for his sexual abuse. 20 years too late.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/

Welcome to the party, pal.
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November 16, 2017 2:25pm
Lucia Maria

How A Russian Troll Fooled America
Reconstructing the life of a covert Kremlin influence account

Few Americans were more patriotic on Twitter than the user known as @TEN_GOP. For almost two years, it lauded President Donald Trump, praised the American military, promoted Brexit and the European far right, and interacted with dozens of leading conservatives, while attacking Trump’s election rival Hillary Clinton, liberals, Muslims and the mainstream media.

@TEN_GOP was a heavyweight voice on the American far right. It had over 130,000 followers; it was retweeted by some of Trump’s aides. When it was suspended, in July 2017, voices across the American far right protested.

To some observers, it seemed too good to be true; in October, they were proven right. Twitter confirmed that @TEN_GOP was a fake, run by a Russian operative connected to the notorious “troll factory” in St. Petersburg.

…@DFRLab has pieced together the story of how @TEN_GOP fooled so many people for so long.

Worth reading.
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November 16, 2017 3:52pm
- realityczech
  
  Lucia, you are a red blooded (if somewhat crazy) lady. The tone and direction of your recent comments suggests to me you may not be enjoying the physical attention a good married Catholic girl should receive in order to obtain hormonal equilibrium.
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:53pm
Brito

Have just been watching Angie Clark deliver her maiden speech. I am stunned. Got there by a recount of the special votes. I have no words….
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November 16, 2017 4:18pm
- Ross12
  
  Can you elaborate a bit more please, Brito
  
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  November 16, 2017 4:44pm
  - Ross12
    
    To the downtickers –I was just asking what said said, not having a go at Brito.
    
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    November 16, 2017 7:09pm
- Brito
  
  Drivel….
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:10pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Extremely unremarkable is this person.
  This is bloody MMP for you.
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:30pm
Brito

And now there is somebody speaking Martian. What the fuck is happening?
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November 16, 2017 4:20pm
- realityczech
  
  Brittle, you okay bro ? You seem a bit off. 🙂
  
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  November 16, 2017 5:55pm
Fletch

So now Winston is white knighting for Jacinda during question time….lol
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November 16, 2017 4:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why did it take 40 years to do something about that murdering prick Mugabe?
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November 16, 2017 5:09pm
- starboard
  
  Good question. He is a murdering corrupt black bastard. Hope he is hung from a power pole.
  
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  November 16, 2017 7:26pm
- realityczech
  
  Nelson Mandela was a murderous man who sought to impose USSR style communism on Africans. Look up his actual charges. Nothing to do with ending aparthied.
  
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  November 16, 2017 7:32pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  ……*70 years to do something about that murdering prick Mugabe?
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:27pm
Longknives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98936904/mcdonalds-and-charity-likened-to-pablo-escobar-drug-cartel

As someone who has experience with the amazing team at Ronald McDonald House in Auckland City-
Dr Alistair Humphrey you are a c##t.
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November 16, 2017 5:09pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand keeps losing at sport since Labour took over.

Where is that feel good factor?
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November 16, 2017 5:51pm
- nasska
  
  Maybe the Leftist “everyone’s a winner” & “gold medals for trying” attitude doesn’t work in the real international world.
  
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  November 16, 2017 6:06pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska it is like sex; even when it’s bad it’s still pretty good
    
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    November 16, 2017 6:56pm
    - nasska
      
      Yeah, perhaps. Although it’s bloody difficult to lose at sex.
      
      And even then, although I’ve given it everything I’ve got on occasions, I’ve never even been awarded a lowly silver or bronze! 🙂
      
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      November 16, 2017 7:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        That was my point.
        
        I reckon Lucia would be an amazing root, just as an aside.
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:10pm
      - nasska
        
        Alas, she only has eyes for Johnboy RC. 🙂
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:13pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bet she would be great to have a drink with in real life the crazy bitch.
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:15pm
      - marcw
        
        Finishing first is not always the goal nassaka! 😉
        
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        November 16, 2017 8:06pm
    - softail 1450
      
      realitychoke,I see its your normal comments this evening, cocks ,rooting,anal sex ,animal sex ,masturbating,dripping come, apart from all that have you had a fair day ?
      
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      November 16, 2017 7:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        Softy, thank for asking and yes all good.
        
        How about you ? Maybe you should ask a girl out, but I suggest you do not show the same intensity as you do on KB… on the first approach.
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:26pm
      - starboard
        
        Ya know what they say..those who continually talk about it never get any. Heh.
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:37pm
      - nasska
        
        If you are over 40 it’s no longer considered masturbation……it’s called a systems check.
        
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        November 16, 2017 7:44pm
Ross12

So the Greens try to flex their “muscle” and are told to get back in the corner by Labour/NZF. Let the fun begin

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944783
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November 16, 2017 6:02pm
All_on_Red

Interesting the way Alabamians are responding to the Judge Roy Moore scandal.
Has the medias and politicians credibility sunk so low they just don’t give credence to the allegations?

‘Republican Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks has an honest explanation for why he’s standing by embattled Senate candidate Roy Moore.
“America faces huge challenges that are vastly more important than contested sexual allegations from four decades ago,” Brooks told an Alabama publication Monday. “Who will vote in America’s best interests on Supreme Court justices, deficit and debt, economic growth, border security, national defense, and the like? Socialist Democrat Doug Jones will vote wrong. Roy Moore will vote right. Hence, I will vote for Roy Moore.”
That answer is quite unique when compared with the responses the vast majority of Republican lawmakers have given when questioned about the sexual misconduct allegations against Moore. Numerous figures have pulled their support for the firebrand candidate due to these accusations, and the Republican National Committee has officially withdrawn funding for Moore’s candidacy.
However, in spite of the massive national blowback against the former judge over the accusations, most Alabamians appear to be sticking with the GOP nominee. One of the latest polls shows Moore still leading his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by six points — a remarkable stat considering Moore presently stands accused of forcing himself onto teenage girls.
It seems that many Alabamians share Brooks’ opinion that the agenda is more important than “contested sexual allegations.”

It’s pretty suspect a 30 yo liking teenage girls(although is that uncommon in that place at that time?) but also cracks are starting to appear in some of the accusers stories.
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November 16, 2017 6:05pm
Ross12

I said the other day that I thought the Donna Brazile’s book looked like part of an action by the DNC to throw Hillary Clinton under the bus.
Well now it looks like they are going to throw Bill under the same bus. The media, including many of the left supporting MSM are resurrecting the sexual allegations made against Bill Clinton. They are basically saying he should not have got away with it.
Is all this to do with what is coming up with the Uranium One scandal and the MSM are running away from the Clintons ?
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November 16, 2017 7:16pm
- realityczech
  
  When other high profile people were accused, the media automatically assumed guilt and their lives were destroyed. This has happened in the last few weeks.
  
  The allegations against the Clintons have built up for many years and I see no such reaction.
  
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  November 16, 2017 7:24pm
All_on_Red

@MooreSenate
‘Dear Mitch McConnell,
Bring. It. On.’

Not sure it’s wise of Judge Moore to be tweeting the name of a movie about High School Cheerleaders…
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November 16, 2017 7:53pm
nasska

The lawyer was trying to undermine the policeman’s credibility…

Q: “Officer — did you see my client fleeing the scene?”

A: “No sire. But I subsequently observed a person matching the description of the offender, running several blocks away.”

Q: “Officer — who provided this description?”

A: “The officer who responded to the scene.”

Q: “A fellow officer provided the description of this so-called offender. DO you trust your fellow officers?”

A: “Yes, sir. With my life.”

Q: “With your life? Let me ask you this then officer. Do you have a room where you change your clothes in preparation for your daily duties?”

A: “Yes sir, we do!”

Q: “And do you have a locker in the room?”

A: “Yes sir, I do.”

Q: “And do you have a lock on your locker?”

A: “Yes sir.”

Q: ” Now why is it, officer, if you trust your fellow officers with your life, you find it necessary to lock your locker in a room you share with these same officers?”

A: “You see, sir — we share the building with the court complex, and sometimes lawyers have been known to walk through that room.”
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November 16, 2017 8:50pm
Tauhei Notts

I happened by chance to catch a Labour politician that I think might be quite okay.
I watched Deborah Russell’s speech today. She is no bunny. I had never ever heard of her. And she is female Labour Party woman married to a man! And she doesn’t crack mirrors by looking at them, and she has that rare ability amongst feminist Labour Party woman to put things in a logical sequence.
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November 16, 2017 9:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s been tagged here on KB.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/deborah_russell
  
  check this out
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/12/labours_first_selection.html
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George’s blog running a story that should elicit attention from our legal beagles.

https://yournz.org/2017/11/16/complaint-laid-against-chief-justice/#comments
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November 16, 2017 9:46pm
- realityczech
  
  Pete George has deleted many of his extreme posts.
  
  [I store search results]
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve never noticed that P.G. has extreme posts.
    I usually find them soporific.
    
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    November 16, 2017 10:25pm
    - realityczech
      
      He deleted them dear.
      
      Can you do this pushing 70 ?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CME5BP5fZg4
      
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      November 16, 2017 10:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I can’t listen to that cr**.
        
        And I couldn’t when I was pushing 17, either.
        
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        November 16, 2017 10:34pm
Piniwi

It is a shame to see the standards in the House these days where the Speaker is more like a head boy than a head teacher as he wields his new powers. The rash of new MP’s is dragging it further down with sooooo many sob stories and songs in native gibberish. No surprise to see little Cloe try her hand at a supplementary question about mental health issues since it may be a personal need for her.
Good to see chivalry still exists as old WP rushed into save the Commie Chick struggling to answer Paula Bennett’s questions. In fact it was her earlier interjection that gained the opposition an extra supplementary question that stretched it out. It did delay the Speaker having to do his rescue act until a later time but it still was apparent.
Eventually the Speaker will hopefully some balance when he find some balance when he stops the flowery embellishments in place of a real answer. Making a speech about what more expenditure is needed for does not answer the question of HOW much will be borrowed.
We know Robbo has no clues about the economy but in the absence of the details in WP addendum and which policies will be followed. Or the revised 100 day plan still to be announced gets a day shorter every day they delay it.
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November 16, 2017 10:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s today’s Oral Questions.. for those who can’t bear to view it live.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171116_20171116_20
  
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  November 16, 2017 10:44pm
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  I remember when John Key as Prime Minister of New Zealand would stand up and yell at people, belittle them and act like a private schoolboy prat and all his sycophantic national minions would guffaw at his crudeness.
  Yep I for one sure miss those days of hilarity in the highest house of the land.
  
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  November 16, 2017 11:31pm
Rachael Membery

Isn’t it lovely that Jacinda awarded Lorde her haul, she is old enough to be her mother.
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