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waikatogirl

4 boats with 164 queue jumpers heading for NZ turned back to Indonesia. The people smugglers aren’t slow to take advantage of Cindy’s welcome.

Thanks Cindy!
Stupid, stupid, stupid!
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November 14, 2017 8:01am
- Kimbo
  
  “Be careful what you wish for as you may just get it!” 😉
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:05am
- Chris R
  
  Who turned them back to Indonesia? Australian authorities? I don’t think there’s anything here to be grateful to Jacinda about.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:08am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I think the point is that Jacinda has made them think that they would be welcome here.
    Thank you Australia for protecting our border.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:12am
    - Paulus
      
      Have considered the wider implications that if Cinderella lets the Manus Islanders in to New Zealand, against Australia’s wishes, as they in short time will have access directly to Australia, that the Australians will retaliate by making visas compulsory for all New Zealanders to enter (and live) there.
      It is now in the Australian media SMH I am told are looking into it. Another piece of Kiwi bashing which their media love.
      Now that widens the overall implications regarding the 400,000 New Zealanders already living in Australia, for whatever reason.
      Surely this will mean that “all” New Zealanders there will have to reapply for a different visa to that which they currently have – even if they are only returning for say a Tangi.
      If not then they cannot return to Australia afterwards where they live without a valid reentry visa.
      By being there they will be on the same basis as all other immigrants.
      Can Cinderella be so stupid ? – yes, if she can get to the UN when she gets kicked out.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:25am
      - Chris R
        
        Paulus: You are absolutely correct to be concerned about these matters. I am married to an Australian who lives there in a home we jointly own. I visit there regularly (and vice versa) but fear any retaliation from the Australians will make our lives more difficult. In the past I have regarded the two countries as practically one and it is a treat to shuttle back and forward. This could easily come to a sharp end. Jacinda is a silly woman whose mandate flows from the fact she “leads” a coalition of disparate losers. I despise what we currently have as a “government!” It is only 11 months since John Key led the best ever NZ Government. How things change….
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:41am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “Cindy, Oh Cindy, Cindy don’t let me down
        Send me some refugees
        So they can ruin my town.”
        
        Apologies to Eddie Fisher (1956)
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:04am
      - kowtow
        
        So is Notional going to go on the offensive on this?
        
        Key was a fool to ever get involved in wanting to take the Manus Isle q jumpers in the first place.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Key was offering a partial solution back in 2013, before OZ sorted themselves out with USA and PNG.
        
        There is no need for NZ to be involved with the OZ detainees now. They have all been offered safe refuge in PNG; they just don’t want to be there.
        In my mind, they are not genuine refugees.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That is why the Aussie Defence forces saturate north Australia, PNG & the Torres Strait.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:15am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That’s why Darwin exists (the Australian city, not the law).
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:37am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Darwin. Australia’s tailgunner.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:23am
  - Maxx
    
    If they do make it here, and its decided to keep them, can we just resettle them in Nothland. Like the far far far part of Northland. No one goes there. It’ll be fine.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:15pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yep, the locals will make them welcome with a customary bash and steal anything they have!
      
      The queue jumpers will be asking to go back to PNG within a week.
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:37pm
- RalphT
  
  No, no, no. The diversity will do us good…
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:14am
  - holysheet
    
    And wont anybody think of the poor children?
    Oops my bad, there are no children in the Manus island camps.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:37am
    - Prince
      
      Lots of spoilt teenagers though, holding their breath until they get their own way..
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:31am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But they’d love to bring in their families: oppressed women, too many children they haven’t been able to support etc.
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:20am
    - softail 1450
      
      holysheet,,,thank god there are no children,can you imagine their fate in those places?
      
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      November 14, 2017 11:35am
      - JasonJohns
        
        ‘The common law designates homosexuality as an inherent evil, and if a person openly engages in such a practice, that fact alone would render him or her an unfit parent.’ – Roy Moore
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:47pm
  - oldpark
    
    Especially with Arder,Parker ,Peters big sell out of Liebour/Green /Peters/CTU sell out of their principles of No TPP. They even walked the streets and protested against it. As for Manus Island grandstanding by Peters “selected “NZs PM. Ardern on bringing boat loads of child molesters to NZ beggars belief.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:59am
- howitis
  
  Malcolm Turnbull is in deep doo doo at home and in a precarious position as PM of Australia.
  He has dropped significantly in ranking as preferred Prime Minister and Labor is polling ahead of his coalition.
  
  The Commie Chick is handing him an opportunity to score big with her childish pestering of him over 150 criminal, marauding queue jumpers.
  Turnbull could use this to show strength and introduce Visas for NZers to visit Australia.
  
  If Turnbull gets rolled internally Julie Bishop is ranking ahead of him in preferred Prime Minister stakes.
  This won’t go well for Labour NZ.
  
  At present this action of harassment by the commie agitator, Ardern, could be construed as a pincer movement by the NZ and AU Labo(u)r parties. Ergo, political interference at the highest level.
  This will sour trans-Tasman relations for decades to come.
  
  The Turnbull Govt is facing a series of expensive and destabilising by-elections over the tight citizenship rules of its elected representatives.
  There is little to gain for NZ from this agitator/harasser stance by Ardern of interfering in Australia’s Foreign Policy.
  
  This is the second time in a year NZ Labour have done this with their Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz (Kelvin Davis) agitating and pulling stunts over Australia’s dealing internally with convicted criminals.
  
  This does show that NZ Labour and their sidekick Greens are really operating at the level of student politics. East Timor, South Africa, blah blah. Lets chant slogans!
  They have not stepped up.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This is the second time in a year NZ Labour
    
    It’s the third time.
    
    Don’t forget Hipkins interference with Australia’s DeputyPM citizenship status
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905544
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:19am
    - waikatogirl
      
      And Hone going walk-about in Aus to talk to Aborigines.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:29am
      - softail 1450
        
        W G, what a laugh when the very abbos that the mega trougher harawhira was trying to save attacked his 4wd and broke the windows,ungrateful buggers…
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:49am
      - Morrissey
        
        …”the mega trougher harawhira”…
        
        ????
        
        When you’re talking mega-troughers, THIS is a mega mega trougher….
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/33217/english-to-pay-back-about-half-of-housing-allowance
        
        https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/double-dipping-ministers-face-scrutiny-107004
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:05pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    I get the impression that Julie Bishop isn’t about to take any crap from Jacinda. NZ/Oz relations are looking precarious as Jacinda bangs on about the Manus Island refugees. I’m not sure that Jacinda has a mandate from the very people represents to ‘rescue’ these people. Even if her silly Finance Minister states that he is sure most New Zealanders’ would want her to do so. Three weeks in and she’s pissing off an awful lot of people……
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:26am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “sure most New Zealanders’ would want her to do so” That’s certainly the assumption every reporter on RNZ makes. It’s as if they are completely unaware of what has been going on in Europe with illegal ‘refugees’.
      
      I’ve not heard the slightest hint of of possible risks on RNZ.
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:28am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Julie Bishop is an idiot of the highest order.
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:04pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Wrong. SPLOOGE is the owner of that title.
        
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        November 14, 2017 12:39pm
      - Brito
        
        No she isn’t.
        
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        November 14, 2017 3:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    Oh how the Australian media would love the distraction of kicking the Kiwi’s again.
    Anything will do.
    Bring in visas and no New Zealander can get in or live there without the right one.
    Australian media on to it from the lunchtime RNZ programme.
    
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    November 14, 2017 1:26pm
  - GazzaW
    
    The upside to a strong anti-NZ measure affecting our access into Australia would be a massive shift by the public against the members of the COL. Denial of our relatively free entry rights into Australia would affect every Kiwi on both sides of the ditch travelling for whatever reason to/from Australia.
    
    The implications would be enormous for Labour should they act as the catalyst for such a move in our relationship with Australia.
    
    Who is making these bizarre calls in the COL? Baldrick?
    
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    November 14, 2017 1:33pm
- backster
  
  So 4 got turned back but did any get through?
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:53am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Socialist Cindy is doing this purely for cheap publicity in the international arena so that socialist leaders like Obama, Angela Merkel can say a word or two about Tooth Fairy. She doesn’t care a damn about NZ’s security. What is Winnie the Poo doing? Why is he not commenting on anything?
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:07am
  - 3-coil
    
    Winston will comment…um…soon, um…what was the question again? “That’s demonstrably…um…sorry, what was the question again?”
    
    Poor old Winnie is just a hollow shell of the belligerent little prick he was, even just weeks ago. What is the process to deal with a deputy PM who is losing his marbles?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:15am
    - holysheet
      
      What do you mean loosing them? The drunken dwarf lost them years ago. Ever since “No” actually meant “Yes”
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:33am
    - Prince
      
      A baseless, malevolent umm orchestrated mmm baseless demonstrably ahhh vile ummm foreigners attack malicious have no standing ummm falsely malevolent urgghm
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:36am
      - softail 1450
        
        prince…..god winston loved that word “demonstrably”, he doesnt seem to use it these days.
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:53am
  - Harkman
    
    Right now Winston’s credibility is entirely shot to pieces.
    
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    November 14, 2017 11:57am
Evadne

Jacinda’s now a rock-star with living a lifestyle without parallel, according to the Herald.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943670

Aren’t we blessed to have a rock star, when all we hoped for was a prime minister.
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November 14, 2017 8:06am
- brett68
  
  The Herald is just trolling.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:08am
- Digmen1
  
  And here was me thinking that we had got a school girl.
  
  She it totally out of place at Asean, wanting to talk about Climate Change, where they all want to talk about security (South China Sea) and Trade and business.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    School girl is right. The thing is, she probably doesn’t know about serious issues. Her naivety over Manus shows how dumb she is.
    It’s cringeworthy.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:16am
    - Evadne
      
      Yes, she’s got that bouncy yet earnest look of a 5th form debater. And the insight to go with it, unfortunately.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:19am
      - softail 1450
        
        not to mention the teenage ponytail,to be fair its lucky for her JK is no longer in the house.
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:58am
      - Flash
        
        And the conviction of her being right about all things as well.
        
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        November 14, 2017 1:08pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy is still chasing Malcolm Turnbull around the East Asian Summit to tell him what he should do about the Manus Island queue jumpers. Duncan Garner referred to Cindy as “acting like as a mosquito stalking its prey”.
    
    Has nobody ever said no to this ‘princess’. She doesn’t appear to understand the word.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:21am
    - stigie
      
      Peter’s needs to hold up his sign “NO” but will she still get it..?
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:27am
      - 3-coil
        
        stigie – Winston would hold his “NO” sign up…but he just can’t remember where he put it.
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:44am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        “but he just can’t remember where he put it”
        
        A bit like us with the $158k!
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:03am
    - Happychappy
      
      Jacinda has problems and is busy trying to create diversions before she returns to NZ. There is a uprising being put together over this trade deal that had not got the gains that Labour are trying to sell and the Greens are adamant that it is bad for NZ so won’t be supporting it. This is getting to the interesting stage as Winston was also opposing it against the last Government and has not stated anything different since Labour signed this deal.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:39am
      - Sam A
        
        It turns out that National already had in place an arrangement with Australia that we would not use ISDS clauses against each other. That means that Jacinda’s supposed exchange of letters with Turnbull the other day meant nothing – just window dressing, and no net gain from Labour on ISDS.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:04am
      - Paulus
        
        Winston is formally part of the Government so he has to follow Cinderella on this whatever.
        
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        November 14, 2017 1:29pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Well H it has already been reported that NZF do not support the TPP old or new so it leaves Labour stuck with doing what’s right for NZ with only the help of the real negotiators.
        
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        November 14, 2017 4:15pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I am sure that he heard her the first time.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:03am
    - KevOB
      
      I’m revising “amateur” to “immature student amateur”.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:16am
    - Komata
      
      Waikatogirl @ 0821
      
      I posted this on another current KB thread about Manus Island, but I think that it is relevant in view of your comment:
      
      An interesting headline in this morning’s Hoorald over an an article written by Audrey Young:
      
      ‘PM on refugees: I’ll persist’.
      
      part of the article reads as follows: Jacinda Adern has acknowledged she might be seen as something of an irritant to Australia with her continued efforts to highlight the Manus island crisis during her first foray into regional summits…
      
      ‘Whenever one is persistent on an issue you always do run the risk of that’, said the…Prime Minister in Manila for the East Asia summit.
      
      But I think that it is important to continue to highlight that New Zealand is here to play a role , both to asist Australia with the situation that they have but to also ultimately to find a solution for those who are refugees’.
      
      Ardern is startign to gain some attention in Australia with Government minister Matt Canavan calling her comment a ‘PR stunt’.
      
      She [Adern] said it was a genuine offer by NZ as it was when it had been made by another Government and another leader, John Key, to Julia Gillard in 2013.
      
      She rejected a suggestion that she could be seen as interfering in Australian domestic affairs. ‘Not if I am working closely with them’.’
      
      One has to ask, what planet is El Teetho living on? The Aussies have told her to pull her head in, yet she simply doesn’t get the message ; her ‘concern’ for the plight of the poor, deprived’ refugees over-ruling any thought that perhaps she might just be cacking in someone else’s yard.
      
      I was going to ask ‘Is she THAT thick, but i suspect that the evidence would indicate that the reply would be in the affirmative.
      
      BTW: Where’s Winnie in all this? Surely as a previous Foreign Affairs minister he would know the ropes and have guided her response, or is he possibly waiting for her to give herself enough rope before disposing of her for a replacement? Given his past actions, it would seem that, unlikely as it appears, this is a feasible scenario. The ‘King maker’ appoints; the ‘King maker’ removes.
      
      If I were Cindy, I would be somewhat careful…
      
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      November 14, 2017 11:30am
  - Rich Prick
    
    She’s an embrrassment. You’d think she is at a communist youth gathering by the way her jaw is flapping about with no substance. STFU.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  Aren’t we blessed that we don’t have to purchase a Herald?
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:08am
- marcw
  
  Jacinda’s parents must be so pleased to see how Capitalism has failed their unfortunate family. Won’t somebody please think of the children!
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:27am
- backster
  
  Well at least he will be getting advice on how to deal with the P epidemic from an expert.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:57am
- Jim
  
  I started reading that and thought it was poor satire. Is it not?
  
  Step aboard the RNZAF 757 jet and the trials of travel are for others to worry about, from her passport to her bag check. Her luggage is in her hotel room usually before she is and someone else looks after all the paperwork.
  
  It’s a lifestyle without parallel. When the plane touches down on the tarmac the red carpet’s rolled down the stairs and up to the door of her waiting limo.
  
  Yet barely 12 months ago: Embarrassing Air Force breakdown reignites calls for new planes and an end to VIP transport
  
  The breakdown of Prime Minister John Key’s military plane in Australia is the latest in a series of Air Force incidents and has given further ammunition to those who say the ageing fleet should be replaced more quickly.
  
  It has also caused some Opposition MPs to return to the issue of whether the Prime Minister should be using Royal New Zealand Air Force planes for international travel.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:53am
  - Komata
    
    Jim
    
    Spare a thought for the poor RNZAF staff assigned to the task of conveying her and her minions, and all that that involves…
    
    I’m pretty certain they didn’t sigh-up for those sorts of tasks.
    
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    November 14, 2017 11:38am
- Fletch
  
  Written by Barry Soper. Explains a lot…
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:50am
  - Harkman
    
    Soper is an utter d*ck. (And a dirty old man).
    
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    November 14, 2017 11:40am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Ahhh. That would be why the Entitled Party were so upset when they lost the election they felt they deserved to win Bahahaaaa.
  It all becomes clear now, losing the baubles of office has upset them. Ohh dear, how sad. Never mind.
  
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  November 14, 2017 12:07pm
  - Brito
    
    No they weren’t.
    
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    November 14, 2017 3:09pm
Digmen1

Its actually worse than stupid
Its unpatriotic.

Long Live Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Myanmar
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November 14, 2017 8:06am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  People of the world will watch the social outcomes in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Myanmar, and will compare them with those of Sweden, Germany and France.
  Rational people will choose the policies that yield the best results.
  Japan is certainly taking an interest. She knows that necessity is the Mother of Invention, and will choose to think her way out of her demographic dilemma rather than taking the quick-and-easy route of simply importing a foreign culture as a labor source (and all the social friction that this generates).
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Funny you should say invention. I wonder if automation and robots are part of the answer to Japans dilemma of an ageing population. That and young people having a lot lot more children- mind you that means they’d have to start having relationships with each other…
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:01am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      All_on_Red,
      You raise some very good points. The Japanese labor shortage can be offset domestically through the application of robotics and through the retraining of workers from industries “liberated” by robotics (for example, long-distance truck drivers can now be retrained in elder-care.)
      I can just picture my old truckie mate–chain-smoking Hitoshi-san–learning how to wipe elderly bottoms and to feed pudding to Grandma Tanaka. (What could possibly go wrong…?)
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:28am
MT_Tinman

Mr Fitzsimons has hit the headlines – simply because he said something about NZ.

Christ, how pathetic are the slime?

No matter that Fitzsimons’ column is full of inaccuracies and half-truths coupled with left-wing bullshit as long as he mentions NZ.
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November 14, 2017 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Wreaking havoc.
  Let’s do this!
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:09am
  - Jack5
    
    ~~Let’s do this!~~ Let’s screw this!
    
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    November 14, 2017 3:30pm
- dime
  
  grade A cocksmoker that guy is
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:27am
hullkiwi

The CoL they keep on giving.
Latest from Carmel Septic & the Redmelons, ” we must eliminate poverty for those living on the safety net of welfare”. This is with reference to getting rid of:
1. The need to declare absent fathers for DPB payments;
2. Getting rid of English’s investment targeting approach; and
3. Increasing WFF credits.

In other words more tax payer financed benefits for all & productivity will continue to fall, because living on a benefit can be a way of life, rather than working.
The plan is to undo much of what has been put in place over the past 30 years.
Great, can’t wait to hear how tax rates will need to rise to pay for it all!
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November 14, 2017 8:12am
- RF
  
  Is it true that Carmel seeks benefit advice from her mother who is an expert in these matters.
  
  I guess committing and being prosecuted for benefit fraud gives you the heads up on what to look for.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:28am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s like putting the fox in the hen house, or it takes a thief to catch a thief.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:41am
    - Antoine
      
      I would be most grateful if someone could explain this to me:
      “getting rid of the need to declare absent fathers for DPB payments;”
      
      So why do we ask the woman to name the father? Is it so that the State can get child support off him? Does the child support go to the mum or stay in the hands of the Govt?
      
      Put it another way, at present, what are the consequences for the woman if she names the dad? If she doesn’t?
      
      What do we expect to happen under Sepuloni’s change? Will there be an epidemic of single mums refusing to name the dad? Even of mums who are actually living with the dad, pretending that they aren’t?
      
      A.
      
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      November 14, 2017 11:05am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes. The policy was aimed at fathers to be held accountable for their actions. Do you have a problem with that?
        And yes, there will be an epidemic of mothers not declaring fathers. Do you see it as the responsibility of the state to pay for children not supported by their known parents? The NZ policy mirrored the UK policy in the 1990s, & left wing advocates have argued the same arguments for 25 years, but never put up real evidence in support of this policy doing the level of harm they claim.
        
        After all, welfare is meant to be a safety net for circumstances beyond the control of the recipient to put them back on their feet. It not meant as income to support a way of life.
        If you choose the latter, then you will also accept a low wage, low productivity economy.
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:38am
      - Antoine
        
        I’m not arguing with you, I just want to understand it!
        
        (Which I still don’t very well)
        
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        November 14, 2017 12:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Would universal DNA sampling of new-borns be a good idea?
        
        As well as providing great data for medical researchers and potentially for the babies’ doctors late in life, it would help raise child support from fathers. They should pay, or at least contribute, to the upkeep of their children.
        
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        November 14, 2017 3:34pm
    - sooty
      
      Careful, you will create an opening for Me Tu!
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:22pm
- Prince
  
  Removing the penalty for solo mothers who do not identify the father, so he pays some level of support for his child, is the dumbest policy yet from the CoL..
  So there will be a financial incentive for mothers to not name the father, and receive a back-handed payment off the books. Who suffers ? The taxpayer of course.
  It is Act who has pointed out this quiet announcement. Also Act who introduced Charter Schools, which are causing the Government much embarrassment as they seek to dismantle them. And Act vote against the ridiculous extension of paid parental leave, built on Ardern’s lies about the OECD average.
  Readers of this blog need to consider whether Act really deserve only 0.5% support. If they can find half a dozen solid candidates they deserve much more of our support.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:30am
  - Digmen1
    
    And if they got rid of David Seymour. He has some good one liners, but he needs to sell Act Policies much bedda.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:43am
  - marcw
    
    ACT also passed the 3 strikes laws, which I believe are effective and apparently respected by those criminals who have got one or two to their names. COL knows best though.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:56am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The reason for removing the penalty given on RNZ this morning was that often the woman is threatened by the man to not name him. Threatening violence is a crime. So, like with the Manus Island queue jumping illegals, CoL is keen to encourage and pay crimes. Now every low life with a pregnant girlfriend knows exactly how to get out of paying child support: make violent threats.
    
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    November 14, 2017 10:46am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Exactly, or a situation I knew of (because he was a flat mate in the UK), you skip NZ & you don’t give a damn.
      
      It’s a policy that encourages, people not to worry about the consequences, because the taxpayer is always there. On the radio, they were on about how $27.50/child that’ll come to these women will really help.
      
      Well I’ll put it another way, my child also needs that $27.50 – he has parents who don’t get WFF and attends a rural school that is rated decile 9, but has real funding issues (because most of the decile 9 parents send their children to schools south of the district). So, my child would like the tax that is extracted from his parents’ pockets to pay for the children in “poverdee” to remain in his parents pockets or at least go towards his school.
      
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      November 14, 2017 11:21am
  - Antoine
    
    I would have voted for ACT if they had TWO solid candidates.
    
    Why Party vote for ACT if their only good candidate is Seymour and he has an electorate seat anyway?
    
    A.
    
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    November 14, 2017 11:03am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Why Party vote for ACT if their only good candidate is Seymour and he has an electorate seat anyway?
      
      Because if you voted your concience, we might have a government that better represents you, it is amazing the number of people who think that they should vote to pick the party that is going to win!
      Its not the lotto.
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:15pm
      - Antoine
        
        But you miss my point. I vote to put a person into Parliament. What person am I putting into Parliament, if I vote ACT?? Assuming that enough other people vote ACT that they get 2 or more MPs?
        
        A.
        
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        November 14, 2017 12:48pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        But you miss my point. I vote to put a person into Parliament…….
        
        No that was not your question
        
        Why Party vote for ACT……..
        
        The beauty of MMP is that you can achieve both things, you get two votes.
        
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        November 14, 2017 1:39pm
      - Antoine
        
        > The beauty of MMP is that you can achieve both things, you get two votes.
        
        No kidding.
        
        ACT does not stand a candidate in my electorate (as far as I know) so I didn’t give them my electorate vote.
        
        I could have party voted for them, but why would I? It would only have gone to elect some nonentity.
        
        If the #2 on the ACT list was someone worth voting for, I might have bothered.
        
        A.
        
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        November 14, 2017 2:31pm
oldpark

Just been reading that the Peters “selected” NZS Prime Minister “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern has invited the effeminate Canadian PM to visit NZ.
Goes by the name of Justin Trudeau the man with a womans face.
The same clown went to Vietnam and the APEC conference for a photo opportunity. He was exposed wearing no socks with his shoes . He has since developed an ankle rash.
Other than bringing that to NZ with Comrade Arderns invitation, wonder what else he can offer.
His claim to fame as an inept waste of space PM in that country of Canada, was to award a Canadian born Taleban Terrorist who had been in GITMO for the murder of a Special USA forces soldier.
The amount Trudeau give to the terrorist for hurty feelings was Ten Million Canadian Dollars. That decision caused huge outrage in Canada with up to 70% of Canadians almost in revolt mode.
Maybe our Peters “selected” PM Ardern is bringing him to NZ ,to drink the Koolaide with him.What a disgrace for such a terrorist hugging PM like Trudeau,to be invited to NZ .
Peters Party will have a lot to answer for.
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November 14, 2017 8:17am
- fernglas
  
  What does “drink the Koolaide” mean? Everyone says it, but I have no idea what it means.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:23am
  - Sideoiler
    
    What does “drink the Koolaide” mean? Everyone says it, but I have no idea what it means
    
    Look up Jim Jones on google.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/drinking-the-kool-aid-a-survivor-remembers-jim-jones/248723/
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:26am
    - fernglas
      
      I know about Jim Jones, but what does it mean in the context that oldpark and others use it? I presume it doesn’t mean that Trudeau’s visit will be an occasion for mass suicide involving the PM’s of Canada and New Zealand. So what does it mean?
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:35am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Drinking the Kool-Aid” is an idiom commonly used in the United States that refers to any person or group who goes along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure. The phrase often carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. It can also be used ironically or humorously to refer to accepting an idea or changing a preference due to popularity, peer pressure, or persuasion. In recent years it has evolved further to mean extreme dedication to a cause or purpose, so extreme that one would “Drink the Kool-Aid” and die for the cause.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:48am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        In the context of the recent election, it’s fair to say that many in the media drank the Jacindamania variety of the Koolaid…
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Still a good read is Tom Wolfe’s uproarious book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.
        
        Author Ken Kesey (best known for One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest) is a central character.
        
        Wikipedia says drinking Kool-Aid laced with LSD was a ritual in the “Acid Tests”, a series of parties held by Kesey in the mid-1960s.
        
        For what Kool-Aid itself is, this US advertisement shows:
        
        https://www.walmart.com/c/brand/kool-aid
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:08am
    - Longknives
      
      I’ll get in before Kimbo arrives!
      It wasn’t actually ‘Kool Aid’ that they all drank at Jonestown- It was a drink called Flavour Aid…
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:40am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “Drink the Kool Aid” is a reference to a cult leader leading people to do what normal, rational people would not normally do. They have bought into the rhetoric with such a cult-like fervour that they will follow that person’s spiel literally anywhere
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:50am
      - tf78
        
        They should call it “Lemming Aid”.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:35am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Longknives
        
        I knew it was originally a reference to Jonestown, but no, I didn’t know it was not Kool-Aid. Flavor Aid sure dodged a marketing bullet! 😉 Thanks. Yet another reason why you are on the top of my transfer list to fill that vacancy in my kick-arse Pub Quiz team now that Mr Tips has defected…
        
        Just no putting Pink Floyd on the jukebox in between rounds 😉
        
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        November 14, 2017 11:09am
  - labrator
    
    What does “drink the Koolaide” mean?
    
    Seriously?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:35am
    - fernglas
      
      Not really. I was just testing.
      
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      November 14, 2017 2:08pm
      - labrator
        
        Did I pass?
        
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        November 14, 2017 4:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Drinking the KoolAid originally comes from the hippy druggy culture, but then got a new lease of life with religious death cults.
    
    LSD and other drugs were commonly mixed in with Kool Aid for people to drink at hippy parties. Have a read of Ken Keasey’s book: “The Electric KoolAid Acid Test”. Different LSD/drug makers would sometimes use different colours for different mixes.
    
    This was followed by some death cults mixing poison into KoolAid for their follows to drink.
    
    Thus Drinking the KoolAid has come to mean believing something completely or becoming completely absorbed in an ideology.
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:58am
- Prince
  
  Our Prime Minister is a compulsive liar.
  
  On inviting Trudeau to NZ…
  “”She said she had invited him at his “soonest availability or whenever it suited” to visit.
  But she said she could not “recall” whether he had offered her a reciprocal invitation to visit Canada.”
  
  Of course he hadn’t. No big deal. But to say she couldn’t recall a conversation from a few minutes previous – just an obvious lie.
  This is the fourth lie she has been caught out on within a week. She needs to rein this in or even the NZ media may start to call her out on it.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:32am
  - niggly
    
    Well said. The other thing that’s sad about Jacinda’s obsession with Justin Trudeau is, being the arrogant self-centered tosser that he is, he would be “looking down” at Jacinda as being inferior to himself and his “achievements”.
    
    Unfortunately Jacinda is too star-struck to notice that her idol is treating her with contempt. It will only end in tears!
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:03am
    - hullkiwi
      
      He’s his father’s son after all.
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:58pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yeah, if he had invited her, it would another headline in the Herald!
    The lies are coming thick and fast now
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:05am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Has there ever been a PM in living history who has been exposed so quickly for their lies? Jacinda was telling porkies prior to becoming PM. She’s certainly showing form……
    Why would I believe anything she says?
    As for this ‘transparency’ bullshit – Pfft!
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:31am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Has there ever been a PM in living history who has been exposed so quickly for their lies?
      
      Possibly…
      
      Mr English has been accused of lying, after initially saying he couldn’t recall anything about Mr Barclay’s secret recordings of his staff members. He later admitted not only did he know about them, he had spoken to police on the matter.
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/bill-english-on-text-messages-to-glenys-dickson-i-don-t-have-to-tell-you.html
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:28am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “Has there ever been a PM in living history who has been exposed so quickly for their lies? ”
        
        Good news for you: RNZ has people gushing how Comrade Taxinda ‘hasn’t put a foot wrong’ and other a** licking comments. No worries about them doing much to expose her lies.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:54am
  - Morrissey
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Our Prime Minister is a compulsive liar.
    
    That statement was true until October 26th.
    
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/double-dipping-ministers-face-scrutiny-107004
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96234657/hamilton-social-service-providers-dispute-pms-almost-no-homeless-claim
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11650205
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:33am
    - labrator
      
      Evidence please of our homeless levels. Not the new stats NZ of “I don’t like the motel the Government is putting me in” the Japanese measure of “sleeping rough” ie homeless; without home… because we lead the OECD in that stat just like English said.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:37am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Given your standards of truth Morrissey, you must be gutted when even The Standard exposes the Labour Party’s duplicity over the TPP
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/trust-and-labour-and-the-tppa/
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:43am
      - labrator
        
        Funny how Labour supporters are finding out that a person with a degree in communications is good at spin and little else! Fairy dust indeed.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:45am
      - Morrissey
        
        Why do you you think I am a supporter of the Labour Party? I was as disgusted by the actions of Helen Clark and her cronies as I was by Key and his.
        
        Vide….
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06012014/#comment-753962
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-29082015/#comment-1064147
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11012017/#comment-1285367
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:56am
      - labrator
        
        Why do you you think I am a supporter of the Labour Party?
        
        So you’re an anarchist who just doesn’t believe in the realities of being in government?
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:40am
    - Brito
      
      You agree she is so much that you put it in italics. Good man/girl/thing Morry.
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:09am
      - Morrissey
        
        Er, I was quoting the previous poster’s fallacious comment, as you know perfectly well.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:18am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        What’s ‘fallatio’ got to do with this? 😉
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:22am
      - Brito
        
        Too late now! You put it in italics. Closet supporter.
        
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        November 14, 2017 3:10pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    ”Our Prime Minister is a compulsive liar”
    
    John Key quits last year.
    And we all know what an incorrigible fucking bullshitter he was.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:11pm
    - Brito
      
      No he wasn’t.
      
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      November 14, 2017 3:11pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny that Prince it is that same Fool Factor also being part of the overdone Media party adoration as they credit her with statements they think she made. Ultimately it will help with her undoing.
    
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    November 14, 2017 4:26pm
- Fletch
  
  He was exposed wearing no socks with his shoes .
  
  He thinks he is Don Johnson from Miami Vice…lol.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:55am
flipper

So the Herald thinks the bint is a “Rockstar” ?

They may be right.

Rockstars are known for their grandstanding (Manus) and silly idiosyncrasies. In the case of Ardern the grandstanding is obvious and the idiosyncrasy is that the Toothfairy believes that she, not Peters, runs the ship.

But the body language of other SE Asian etc. leaders made it clear that they know she attended by foul rather than fair.

Pity about NZ.
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November 14, 2017 8:19am
- SGA
  
  From what I read, the article seemed to be about how Ardern seemed less affected by the Rockstar trappings that come with a PM’s life than someone like Canada’s Trudeau?
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:28am
- 3-coil
  
  flipper: a real “rockstar” would have more class and higher principles than Jacinda – her fawning greeting to the self-confessed murderous thug Duterte in the Phillipines was sickeningly embarrassing.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:25am
- RalphT
  
  A Rockstar? Well, she does have a lot in common with Bob Geldof, an interferer who shoots from the lip without thinking.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:27am
Happychappy

Bill English is right with his comments about Jacinda pushing the Manus Island Refugee agenda to the maximum as they have to distract their own supporters away from the Trade deal that National put in place that Labour strongly opposed when they were in opposition and have now signed. They are desperate for distractions to take the air out of this story as they know that they never got the gains that have been stated but not released and can see the uprising of the activists growing.
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November 14, 2017 8:20am
- KevOB
  
  It would be good to see Bill offer the Greens now a chance to re-arrange the coalition–Kermadec?
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:21am
- Morrissey
  
  Bill “Double Dipper” English?
  
  https://timewantsaskeleton.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/asshole.gif
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:19am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    ..from Dipton.
    Because Dipton was his primary residence.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:13pm
    - Brito
      
      No it wasn’t.
      
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      November 14, 2017 3:11pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        He said it was.
        FACT.
        
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        November 15, 2017 12:45pm
  - Lance
    
    Oh dear
    Village idiot No:1 supports village idiot No:2
    
    Sad but poignant evidence of the dangers of embracing far left ideology. The public should be warned communism causes brain damage.
    
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    November 14, 2017 3:00pm
flipper

FitzSimons ?
Yeah… piss taker.
But a reminder that the Peters/Ardern Regime is all smoke, mirrors and outright lies.
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November 14, 2017 8:26am
- Lance
  
  But but but…..
  Cindys going to give me a free unicorn
  NZ will be great again
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:30am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Free Unicorn right up the jacksie
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:20pm
EAD_TWO

Headline in todays Daily Mail:
“Prince Charles suggested ‘influx of foreign Jews’ was partly to blame for Middle East unrest and asked who will take on ‘Jewish lobby’ in America in letter to close friend”

The article describes how he was “fiercely criticised” for his “incendiary comments”. The comments are also described as “jaw-droppingly shocking”:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073607/Letter-penned-Prince-Charles-sparks-controversy.html

The truth is there is nothing “shocking” here in these rather mild comments. Charles is just stating well known facts.

What is also true and observable for anyone not so blind as to not see is that the MSM overreacts in order to discourage and honest discussion.

How is one supposed to discuss History or AIPAC’s existence or activities without being labelled anti-semitic?
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November 14, 2017 8:30am
- SGA
  
  Well.. you could start by dropping the (((echo))) symbols in your posts?
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:35am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Why don’t you try address what I actually wrote instead of diverting attention and running cover or is rational debate beyond you?
    
    The Prince has only stated a simple truth anybody paying attention already knows to be true.
    
    The only thing “Jaw-Droppingly Shocking” is that this truth has seen the light of day and only then, couched in the language of hysteria to stop people reflecting on what has been said.
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:09am
    - Kimbo
      
      Why don’t you try address what I actually wrote
      
      SGA did. Don’t like the answer? Then don’t ask the question in the first place,
      
      How is one supposed to discuss History or AIPAC’s existence or activities without being labelled anti-semitic?
      
      But then, as with most of your posts, they are rhetorical questions that also evidence the logical fallacies assuming premises, begging the question, and the facade of open-minded inquiry when, as a conspiracy theorist, there is no way to falsify your confections…
      
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      November 14, 2017 11:00am
- backster
  
  Some friend!
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:16am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Well, they crucified Alexander Solzhenitsyn for his book “200 years together” which has never been published in English.
  
  His crime? Telling the truth. The truth about whom? About the Jews in Russia and how the Bolshevik Revolution was actually the Jewish Revolution.
  
  But when you tell the truth about Jews like Charles, no matter how mild, you’re labelled “anti-Semitic”. Then if you use gross hyperbole about National Socialist Germany, you’re a “Historian”.
  
  Ah, the world we live in. I now know how Mel Gibson feels! ?
  
  EDIT: the comment that this is a reply seems to have been deleted.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “At the same time, he is seen as a defender of Islam, with one historian noting that no other major Western figure has as high a standing in the Muslim world. ” DM article.
  
  Good old islam. Anyone who doesn’t know how it treats women, jews, kuffars and slaves is incredibly naive.
  
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  November 14, 2017 11:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Kim Hill repeatedly asks Bill English whether he thinks Winston negotiated in good faith.

Bill replies that that is a question only Winston can answer.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018621537/we-negotiated-in-good-faith-english-on-peters-tpp-kaik-ura

So why not ask Winston the hard question, RNZ?
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November 14, 2017 8:40am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Well, ask it of him when he is back in the country, at least.
  
  But I can already tell you what the answer will be; Peters will hide behind the sub-judice rule, even though whether or not he negotiated in good faith has nothing to do directly with his High Court fishing trip. And no one in the MSM will have the guts to hold him to account.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:45am
  - fernglas
    
    The sub judice rule is designed to prevent interference with fair trial rights. Given that any claim for breach of privacy is likely to be heard before a Judge alone, it is hard to see how comment can affect such rights, unless of course Mr Peters thinks Judges are likely to be swayed by what he has to say to an extent that prejudices the fair trial rights of the parties. The excuse “I can’t comment because it is before the Court” is just a cop-out these days. Where an important matter of public interest is involved, a refusal to comment should be seen as evasion, not prudence.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:09pm
- Sofia
  
  The Winston Peters affidavit refers to the “no surprises” briefing given by MSD Chief Executive Boyle to then-Minister Tolley, and claims the “no surprises’ policy breaches Privacy Act requirements.
  
  Various media reports say Boyle sought the Solicitor General’s advice before Tolley and Bennett were told.
  So what was the Solicitor General’s advice, one wonders, because the same reports do not actually say, just that the two Ministers were told.
  
  Any advice she gave would seem crucial in what Tolley, Bennett, and Eagleson were told, and whether that was legal or not.
  Would it not be logical for Winston’s law team to inquire further of the Solicitor General?
  Or RNZ?
  
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  November 14, 2017 11:26am
- Flash
  
  Cool interview, Kim was being very considered, but Bill had her measure.
  Cat and Mouse, lol.
  
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  November 14, 2017 1:39pm
flipper

Was that “Mr No”‘s solicitor in the High Court yesterday , you know, the one just fined $10,000or, amonmg other matters, an arrogasnt response to a Law Society enquiry ?
Or was it he who sat with the leaker Henry?

Whatever, both should be cited for wasting the time of the HC.

Long ago e had Peters wine box, then the Peters v Selwyn Cushing, then Owen Glen, and now the pension , over-payment of which went “unnoticed” for X (?) years.
And we are expected to take that mob seriously !
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November 14, 2017 8:41am
VicParking

Is the USA a country of gropers? Is this just an American thing or are there gropers all over the world? Is there something about groping that you must wait at least 10 years before you can report it?
Does the effect of groping go away if you are paid mega bucks, appear on TV or in an article in a womens magazine? Do only men grope or do women also partake in this unsocial activity?
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November 14, 2017 8:48am
- SGA
  
  Is the USA a country of gropers?
  > There are plenty of non-gropers there, I believe.
  Is this just an American thing or are there gropers all over the world?
  > It’s an international thing, I imagine.
  Is there something about groping that you must wait at least 10 years before you can report it?
  >An isolated instance is easily defended as an accident or overreaction. When there are a number of you saying the same thing, it is more likely that you will be believed.
  Does the effect of groping go away if you are paid mega bucks, appear on TV or in an article in a womens magazine?
  > Depends on the groping, I suppose. I imagine that, like in most things, there are some opportunists out there, and some with a genuine case to be heard.
  Do only men grope or do women also partake in this unsocial activity?
  >Mostly men, I’d guess, but I’m sure there are a few predatory women around.
  Hope this helps 🙂
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Of course many of the women in these cases are well know disgustingly highly paid “Actresses” who made vast sums of money through the auspices of such perverts.
    They only complained after they were rich from their trade.
    
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    November 14, 2017 1:45pm
- kowtow
  
  Is there something about groping that you won’t get a conviction?
  
  ‘A man who groped two women in a queue while waiting for entry to a city bar has walked away from court without a blemish on his record.
  Dylan Samuel Jory’s case for a discharge without conviction was aided by the victims who did not oppose it, Judge John Macdonald said yesterday.
  
  The 21-year-old – who was supported in court by his parents and partner – had previously admitted two counts of indecent assault before the Dunedin District Court.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/breast-groper-discharged-without-conviction
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:36am
  - cha
    
    Is there something about groping that you won’t get a conviction?
    
    Could be…..~~rugby~~ buggered if I can put my finger on it….
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    November 14, 2017 9:42am
    - Brito
      
      You’d like to though cha (cha cha) wouldn’t you dearie?
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:16am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Silly questions. Abusers are everywhere. It’s about power. Wherever people have power, they use and abuse it. It’s not country, culture, job or gender specific.
  
  It’s not reported because the abused are, by definition, weaker, can’t ‘prove’ it, and/or have a lot to lose – and some consider it the ‘way of the world’ and a tolerable, acceptable, or convenient means to gaining advantage – like any other part of life.
  
  Liberalism has made it easier – with common acceptance that sexual contact need not be about relationship, that ‘everyone is doing it’, that it’s not important, and/or (as Bob Jones I think once said) it’s a ‘perk’ of power and success – especially when it’s known that both sexes go out on the town, get drunk, and make themselves available to anyone.
  
  Men are even more less likely to report it. They’ve always had the reputation of seeking to ‘sow their wild oats’ freely. Reporting sexual abuse can make them look silly and/or weak – but it’s always been there and is moreso now, right back to ‘Joseph and the Technicolour Dreamcoat’ and beyond.
  
  As a child in a (then) small community, there were at least three pedophiles operating – a teacher, a councillor, and an ‘upright’ member of the community who was childless and liked to ‘spend time’ with other people’s children – and was allowed to take groups of them out for the day.
  
  Many of the ‘youth’ were operating a lot like Roastbusters – male and female. Not surprising given that many had been taught young by the pedophiles. It just got worse when I went to work. I’ve worked for companies where any female in a management position had to have had sex with one of male management. I’ve also worked for companies where men were hired specifically because a female manager wanted to have sex with them and/or would get no advancement unless they did.
  
  I know there are people blithely unaware of it, most probably thinking when they do come across it that it’s just an aberration in the one circumstance or about one person. There’s also those who see it as part of being besotted with someone, ‘normal’ sexual competition, or necessary while the wife is pregnant, for example.
  
  But it’s not. It’s an aberrant culture, part of bullying – and it isn’t going away. Modern society has normalised bullying, as long as it’s for the ‘right’ reasons – and they are very personally defined. Few seem to consider that it’s the bullying that’s wrong, irrespective of the reason, in which case it doesn’t take much to rationalise that it’s ‘okay’ behaviour at any given point in time.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:04am
  - SGA
    
    Anne Glen Eden
    
    Wherever people have power, they use and abuse it. It’s not country, culture, job or gender specific.
    …
    Liberalism has made it easier…
    
    Yes and no. It’s been going on for centuries – slaves, serfs, servants, wards, etc. For example, Thomas Jefferson fathered children with one of his slaves, who herself was a half sister to his first wife, and her mother likewise had been the product of a master/slave liaison. Such activity seems widespread, and while some may have been mutually desired, a lot probably wasn’t.
    (I think the term “casting couch” dates back to the early 2oth century, but don’t quote me on that).
    
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    November 14, 2017 11:48am
    - fernglas
      
      I often wonder about the sequence. Do people become abusers once they have power, or do they obtain power in order to facilitate being abusers? I am not just talking about sex; bullying is another manifestation.
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:13pm
      - SGA
        
        Doesn’t have to be one or the other, both probably happen, I imagine. And others are born into positions of authority and influence.
        
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        November 14, 2017 12:24pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      I don’t disagree. As I say, it’s power. People talk a lot about all the ‘progress’ made. Meh. The human race hasn’t changed anything but the veneer; certainly hasn’t ‘progressed’ in any real terms unless it’s escalating self-harm.
      
      I object to those who pretend it doesn’t happen now, or that there are adequate protections, or that people have autonomy over their own bodies, or that ‘abusers’ are a special minority who are different to others. The slaves were overtly and with social acceptability devalued and dehumanised. We pretend that everyone has ‘equal rights’ which are ‘protected’ and can withhold ‘consent’ from such behaviour. Again, meh.
      
      But liberalism has normalised abuse in many ways. These days, someone is just as likely to say and/or think, “It’s good enough for ambulance officers, doctors, and teachers to be prostitutes which is entirely legal and a ‘job’. Why should the accounts clerk or IT manager resist? It’s a transaction. You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. It doesn’t really matter. It’s always been so.”
      
      If society accepts that, fine. But don’t condemn the Roastbusters et al for applying the same principles – because it is the same principle – I want; I get. Just to prove that I can.
      
      Neither be surprised that when someone who is ‘normal’ and finally is financially secure and/or independent, they decide to tell the world, and a whole lot of other people who know they wouldn’t have been believed and/or taken seriously previously, decide to join in.
      
      None of that, either, covers Maori (and probably other cultures) situations where their own people, especially those with multiple problems including alcohol and drugs, can’t or won’t access their social services or don’t benefit from them because one or more ‘kaumatua’ involved in them have been their abusers. But it’s utterly unacceptable to ‘out’ those abusers or hold them accountable – cultural/tribal loyalty etc.
      
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      November 14, 2017 12:26pm
      - SGA
        
        But liberalism has normalised abuse in many ways.
        
        Can’t say I see it that way, Anne. For as long as people have been in positions of power or influence over others, be they aristocracy, dictatorships, slave owners, religious leaders, the wealthy, educators, whatever, some have used those positions for sexual exploitation. Singling out the relatively recent idea of “liberalism” as the culprit seems misdirected.
        (Add: Perhaps what’s more different now is it is easier and more acceptable to expose such people?)
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:08pm
Digmen1

Great, now every young Maori and PI girl will have a new career path.

Just find any random guy silly enough to impregnate you and Carmel will give you an income for life.

We should all email her and similar to express our real disagreement with this.

You can find their email address on the Labour and Greens websites.
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November 14, 2017 8:48am
- stigie
  
  Muldoon said once “You can’t govern a country with a gentle smile”.
  
  https://www.villainesse.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_thumbnail/public/15826864506_95609577d4_k.jpg?itok=po8IXMwK
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:16am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What about the smiling assassin?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:31am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  No need to give traffic to those web sites – just email the Honourable Minister at c.sepuloni@ministers.govt.nz
  
  Give the MSD officials something to do
  
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  November 14, 2017 1:36pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes Digmen1 not to forget the new Baby Bonus of $60 p/w. We are going to so many shift from the dole to the higher rate after somebody unnamed pays the deposit. It was such a great income alternative until National started to tidy it up.
  
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  November 14, 2017 4:36pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Maybe this is a response from Labour to keep our population increasing without having them filthy rich immigrants applying for residency.
    
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    November 14, 2017 7:08pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

The old clown Barry Soap writes everyday praising Tooth Fairy as if she is Jesus Christ v2.0. Not sure what is he smoking!
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November 14, 2017 9:15am
- Harkman
  
  Soper is a dirty old man, pay no attention to him. But keep your daughter’s away from him.
  
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  November 14, 2017 11:45am
  - sam green
    
    Do you have information that he is an abuser?
    
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    November 14, 2017 1:41pm
    - sam green
      
      Because if I were Soper I’d sue your arse. I wonder if he knows?
      
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      November 14, 2017 2:52pm
    - Brito
      
      I read your patient notes and speaking as a professional to a victim you know we are all behind you Sambo.
      
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      November 14, 2017 3:13pm
      - sam green
        
        You make no sense – but carry on…
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:21pm
peterwn

So there was some preliminary court hearing on Winston’s claim and associated discovery request. If Winston gets the third party discovery he wants, I reckon it will come back and bite him on his backside.
On another front – National would seem spoiled for choice of questions to ask this afternoon and Bill will have to take some some tough decisions as to which ones should go ahead.
eg “Has the Prime Minister seen reports in the Sydney Morning Herald that Australia may require visiting New Zealanders to have visas?”
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November 14, 2017 9:18am
- Maxx
  
  Wouldn’t questions to the PM today have to be answered by Davis? I think that is exactly what you want!!
  
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  November 14, 2017 1:09pm
- realityczech
  
  peterwn, so who leaked the information in the run up to an election ?
  
  All this can be stopped if the corrupt ones step forward and confess.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:24pm
Rachael Membery

Isn’t it great news about the resurgence of Kaikoura a year on. Well done National for getting it all going at great guns.
God save us if there is another major earthquake.
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November 14, 2017 9:39am
- PhilP
  
  And all the Liebore/NZ First ministers will be there for the photo ops saying look at me, look at me, what a great job we have done for the people of Kaikoura and the SI. Don’t make me fucking laugh!
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:48am
  - doggone7
    
    And if they’re not there you’d be grizzling about them not caring and the snub they’d given the fine people of Kaikoura.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:47pm
  - RF
    
    Just on TV / Radio .. Labour members at Kaikoura today taking advantages of photo ops and telling everyone how generous they have been.
    
    Dr. Megan Wood is the hero of the day…. the EQ repairs are thanks to her….
    
    Not a mention of National……
    
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    November 14, 2017 4:55pm
- Harkman
  
  If we have another big earthquake in the next couple of years. Going by what Jim Anderton, Lianne Dalziel and Gary Moore advocated during the quakes. The best advice I have for you is……………leave!
  
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  November 14, 2017 11:50am
  - fernglas
    
    Didn’t you hear? The earthquakes are the fault of the National Government, which failed to set proper targets for the prevention of earthquakes. Labour will not only set targets but the Minister will be personally responsible for the reduction.
    
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    November 14, 2017 12:16pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes ferngras but they will very busy nervous about the increasing quakes from the new fault lines in the COL.
      
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      November 14, 2017 4:40pm
    - Evadne
      
      Yes, but first they’ll scrap the outdated, patriarchal and colonial-oppressive measuring systems and replace it with a progressive, people-empowering one.
      
      There’s too much inequality in the Richter scale (AND it was invented by a pale, stale male), and it oppresses those who feel that they’ve experienced a devastating earthquake, or those who self-identify with earthquake victims.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:33pm
- doggone7
  
  God wasn’t needed last time, he/she won’t be needed last time.
  Someone cynical might even say God caused the last one anyway.
  
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  November 14, 2017 12:49pm
- sam green
  
  Yes and well done Gerry – Christchurch is looking peachy – especially the roads. Their mental health services are doing well too by all accounts – again – thanks Gerry.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:22pm
MrTips

Why are NZers so dumb and easily bought, politically? Well, apparently we have form: https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/today-history-nzs-most-shocking-election-result

And Bill English should only offer support for the TPP on the proviso that Labour drops any fanciful idea about Manus troublemakers. He has her by the dental floss on that one.
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November 14, 2017 9:43am
- Digmen1
  
  National should be above that sort of thing.
  They wanted the TPP.
  We should be lucky that it going ahead.
  
  But I’d add that they should add the provisos that Labour drops the Union changes and the DPB non disclosure of fathers names. (he he)
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:54am
- cmm
  
  I disagree.
  
  What we need is for Labour to hang out all their dirty washing and incompetence and make it obvious to everyone. That will inoculate people against the ClusterParty for at least a decade.
  
  If, instead, Bill fixes all Cindy’s stuff ups she’ll get a gold star – like having dad do all your maths homework.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:36am
- Prince
  
  Of course National should insist on some policy gains before voting for TPP. That is the essence of MMP, right ?
  
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  November 14, 2017 12:57pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Exactly!
    
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    November 14, 2017 1:34pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ah yes, instead of shooting the fish in the barrel, BEND them over the barrel!
    
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    November 14, 2017 5:25pm
Morrissey

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Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 9: John Key

“I felt the actions weren’t those of a Prime Minister and I felt New Zealand should know that. It is because he is the PM that I went to the media. John Key feels he is untouchable.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11436978

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-criticised-for-joke

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/eyes-wide-shut-the-governments-guilty-secrets-in-afghanistan/
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November 14, 2017 9:48am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  John Key maintained record high popularity through entirety of his 8 year tenure as PM mid30’s to mid 50’s, during the whole of which time Labour leaders only barely scrape into double digits a few times.
  
  Eat it. 🙂
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:31am
  - Morrissey
    
    So why are National wailing and gnashing their teeth in Opposition now?
    
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    November 14, 2017 5:02pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      They’re not. You seem to have this view that being an effective opposition and holding the Govt to account is ‘wailing and gnashing teeth’.
      It isn’t.
      I’d observe they seem to be quite happy being in opposition. I’m pleasantly surprised and it’s totally contrary to your narrative- blub blub blub.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943985
      Im happy too.It’s going to be like shooting fish in a barrel.
      They are that.dumb.
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:23pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “They’re not.”
        
        Then how come they’ve all been looking like THIS recently?
        
        https://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Angry-John-Key.jpg?x35462
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news_crops/34911/three_col_large_1M1A5592.jpg?1496033979
        
        https://i0.wp.com/thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/gerry-brownlee.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1
        
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        November 14, 2017 7:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Two of those photos are definitely BEFORE the election. Brownlees was in Nov 2016. The date stamp is on the JPEG! Keys shows him in Parliament- he retired!
        Fuck you are thick.
        Which means your argument collapses and you are a liar.
        Amateur.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:04pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Because the Government is introducing terrible policies and refusing to expose them to proper discussion and debate.
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:25pm
- Lance
  
  The cognitive disconnect is strong in this one
  
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  November 14, 2017 12:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  Reason 11 through ten million.
  
  Greebore First voters love self flagellation.
  
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  November 14, 2017 1:15pm
gump

There was a fascinating long form article in the New York Times today about the global campaigns by soft drink companies to deflect sugar taxes or criticism of their products.

I’ve always believed that the DPF’s opposition to taxes on soft drinks is less than genuine. This article does not help to change my opinion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/health/colombia-soda-tax-obesity.html
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November 14, 2017 10:35am
- Digmen1
  
  I am not a big consumer of soft drinks an occasional treat or with rum or as an ice cream soda.
  
  But I am against higher taxes on sugary drinks.
  
  What I am in favour of is that the soft drink companies and all food manufacturers drop the amount of sugar in their drinks.
  
  Eg most people know that a can of coke has 6 tea spoons of sugar in it. Six.
  
  So, why not drop it by one tea spoon a year till it gets down to say 2 or 3 tea spoons. That we people would be consuming a lot less sugar and would still enjoy the drinks.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:58am
- peterwn
  
  In pre GST days there was a hefty tax on soft drinks, indeed there was a higher tax on soft drink than beer. Why do not the sugar tax lobbyists (oops researchers) do some research to see what effect that had.
  
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  November 14, 2017 12:50pm
cha

Because what 30 year old doesn’t sign his 16 year old girlfriend’s high school yearbook.

Ms. Nelson's printed statement includes a picture of Moore's note in her yearbook…"Love, Roy Moore D.A." pic.twitter.com/cXfLThHkb0— Michael Del Moro (@MikeDelMoro) November 13, 2017
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November 14, 2017 11:11am
chiz

More evidence that Assange is an arsehole:

The messages, obtained by The Atlantic, were also turned over by Trump Jr.’s lawyers to congressional investigators. They are part of a long—and largely one-sided—correspondence between Wikileaks and the president’s son that continued until at least July 2017. The messages show Wikileaks, a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked, actively soliciting Trump Jr.’s cooperation. Wikileaks made a series of increasingly bold requests, including asking for Trump’s tax returns, urging the Trump campaign to reject the results of the election as rigged, and requesting that the president-elect tell Australia to appoint Julian Assange ambassador to the United States.

And why did Wikileaks want Trump Jr to leak his father’s tax returns?:

If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” Wikileaks explained.
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November 14, 2017 11:46am
Manolo

The joy of Barbie:
http://buzz.blog.ajc.com/2017/11/13/mattel-announces-ibtihaj-muhammad-doll-first-barbie-to-wear-a-hijab/
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November 14, 2017 12:31pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Allahu-AkBar-bie:)
  
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  November 14, 2017 1:22pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Does not cut the ice – no bomb vest accessory or gun.
  Sword is there though, for decapitating
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:43pm
- Gabby
  
  With quick-release head of course. bin Ken comes with a set of rocks.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:42pm
RF

The weather gods in Auckland must be upset with the Govt…

Time to hunker down.
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November 14, 2017 1:02pm
gorse

I am detecting a growing noise of discontent among my friends with this Government. They’ve only been goung a couple of weeks. At this rate after a couple of years the noise will be deafening.
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November 14, 2017 1:18pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Yeah! Fuck it. I am waiting 4 months to go back to the wide open spaces – Alaska! If a tree falls, fuck it, the trees are frozen. Just quiet and no lying Taxinder (4 now)
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:50pm
rangitoto

Genter squirming around trying to avoid criticising Labour.
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November 14, 2017 2:25pm
Happychappy

Who said Trevor Mallard will be a good speaker, the idiot keeps changing the rules when the Coalition are struggling to give a appropriate answer.
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November 14, 2017 3:26pm
Happychappy

You have to laugh at Sweet Cheeks he really rates himself as a top class Finance Minister and thinks the public like his smart arse answers. This fuckwit needed and got help from the Speaker to avoid answering legitimate questions. Where is Wiseman he was always complaining about Bill English when Winston was asking the questions.
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November 14, 2017 3:44pm
- stigie
  
  And Kelvin Davis needed a bit of help from Sweet Cheeks to answer the question because he wasn’t sure.
  This bloke is totally out of his depth !~
  
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  November 14, 2017 3:55pm
- Brito
  
  “That’s the thing about political jokes, they stop being funny when they run for office.” Will Rogers.
  
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  November 14, 2017 5:06pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Don’t quote Will Rogers. He was the antithesis of the likes of you.
    
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    November 14, 2017 5:08pm
    - Brito
      
      Did you hear that???? It’s the sound of no one caring dick weed?
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:14pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You might not care about misappropriating the words of someone who actually cared about people and society, but I’m offended by it, just as I am when some right wing dullard quotes George Orwell or H.L. Mencken.
        
        Whether you care or not matters to me not one jot.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9oggaSh_ZI
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘ but I’m offended by it, ‘
        
        ‘Did you hear that???? It’s the sound of no one caring dick weed?
        
        Hahahahahahahahaah
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:32pm
      - Gabby
        
        It sounds like you wearing your knob down to a bloody stump Bitcho. It won’t grow back you know.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Look on the bright side
        Less for you to gobble
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:55pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I think ‘sweetcheeks’ thinks he is the new David Lange – fobs off everything with a diverting smartarse comment.
  Early days, but we want him to knife Taxinder, so as to continue the slow train wreck
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:59pm
- Gabby
  
  Conniving Carsehole certainly set a wunnerful standard for question time didn’t he chappy. Bingles must be pleased.
  
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  November 14, 2017 9:39pm
Ross12

I think National are really missing an opportunity with the Manus Is issue. They need to get out and put the facts of what has gone on up there, what vetting has been done, what agreements with the US have been made, why those being rejected are being rejected (if that info is available) etc.
It is not going to be put out in the MSM. I know some useful stuff has been on Facebook but how many know where to look?
National do not have to make a determined criticism of the Govt. –just layout the facts so people can see the real picture.
To be more effective they really need to look at new, innovative communication strategies.
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November 14, 2017 4:09pm
- Digmen1
  
  And stop asking me for donations to their fighting fund!
  They wasted the last donations I gave them on re-runs of previous campaigns
  
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  November 14, 2017 4:29pm
  - Lance
    
    Judith sent a personal email asking for funds.
    I must be special
    
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    November 14, 2017 4:34pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I got it too so you can’t be all that special.
      Straight in the dump bin.
      They didn’t take any notice of me last time , now they want my money.
      Get stuffed.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    They want to make a video of ppl in blue tops all cycling in an orderly fashion dicman. The originality will stun viewers.
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The Nats could start by asking why Taxcinda seems to be hellbent on damaging relationships with one of our largest trading partners- and what has Winston to say about this.
  
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  November 14, 2017 4:35pm
Morrissey

That unnamed “Australian newspaper” is a Murdoch rag.
And those “unnamed sources” are no doubt as scurrilous.

I note that Radio New Zealand, among other outlets, has been diligently recycling, without any hint of demur, the Double Dipper’s mad claims about New Zealand becoming a “target for people smugglers.”

An Australian newspaper has reported unnamed sources saying the government there has turned back four boats of asylum seekers that were heading to New Zealand.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343787/pm-s-stance-on-manus-island-could-backfire-national

The Murdoch rag cited as merely “an Australian newspaper” is the hideous Courier-Mail of Brisbane, one of the Dirty Digger’s notorious stable of racist, war-mongering, sex-obsessed but prurient, thoroughly disreputable scandal sheets. It is to RNZ’s discredit that it failed to point this out today.
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November 14, 2017 4:45pm
- Brito
  
  Do you know this for a fact Morry or are you stabbing in the dark again? Prove it.
  
  “Trust but verify.” Ronald Regan (great man).
  
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  November 14, 2017 5:04pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You think I’d lie about who owns the Boorish Mail? Jesus WEPT!
    
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/manofsteel2013/images/6/61/Piss_off_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20130403011808
    
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    November 14, 2017 5:10pm
    - Brito
      
      “You are not a member of any organised political party. You’re obviously with Liarbore.”
      
      Will Rogers (sort of).
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:16pm
- treadingthemill
  
  It is to RNZ’s discredit that it failed to point this out today.
  
  Maybe they thought just reporting the facts was more important than checking with you to see if the they were politically incorrect facts? There has been some silliness here on this issue, but the issue of people smugglers is a legitimate concern. If taking the Manus Island refugees gives the people smugglers the idea that we are a soft touch we need to be very cautious.
  
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  November 14, 2017 5:13pm
  - Morrissey
    
    It’s not “politically correct” to verify the source of such outlandish and scurrilous allegations as the Double Dipper came out with.
    
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    November 14, 2017 5:29pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      It’s not “politically correct” to verify the source
      
      It is if you asses the source according to a narrow far left perspective. The concerns are not outlandish or scurrilous. People smuggling and human trafficking are real issues.
      
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      November 14, 2017 5:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now now, stop with the rational and objective analysis.
        You’ll ruin Morrissey’s day!
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:47pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “Far left”? Since when has a concern for truthful reporting and international law been “far left”?
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:48pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Don’t worry about ruining my day, Red—I’ll be okay! But you be sure to have a nice evening now.
        
        http://i.123g.us/c/emay_flowerofmonth/card/312638.gif
        
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        November 14, 2017 5:59pm
      - sam green
        
        Don’t forget that CT are still working for National – they are consummate purveyors of fine bullshit.
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:31pm
- doggone7
  
  Don’t rubbish that article in the Australian newspaper. It would be great discussion material for an English class. Not necessarily for any supposed facts but as a study of the language and the merits of it as a piece of writing, particularly from a news outlet.
  
  “The Courier-Mail understands that “chatter” has resumed among people
  
  It is not know when the boats were intercepted or what country they started from but it is believed they told OSB they were headed to NZ.”
  
  I reckon ordinary Year 6 and 7 kids should be studying this sort of stuff. Skills of discrimination should be developed.
  
  Those who consistently rubbish the MSM and the agendas of news companies gladly latch onto items which massage their political beliefs and prejudices.
  
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  November 14, 2017 5:49pm
Brito

$US currently 0.6870.

Geared to sell at 0.6865

Come on baby, come on….thank you Jazinder…you beauty. Round and round we go.

Ka ching ka ching!!!!

Sorry normal people, more for Morry and V8SPLOOOGE and Gobby and Grifoid and cha cha cha….
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November 14, 2017 5:21pm
- Brito
  
  Finished at 0.6857.
  
  Buying Kiwi and hoping for an adjustment up.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:27pm
Rich Prick

I see Duterte is in for Cindy’s tounge lashing tomorrow. Hopefully he WILL tell her to fuck off.
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November 14, 2017 5:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear

Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says parents taking leave at the same time, might not be best for the baby.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98871168/national-sets-the-nanny-trap-labour-walks-right-in-over-paid-parental-leave
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November 14, 2017 5:46pm
- nasska
  
  How dare ordinary mortals question the all-knowing socialists.
  
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  November 14, 2017 5:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m a lesser mortal (being female, old, cisgendered, legally married, etc,etc)
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:10pm
    - Johnboy
      
      So it’s only the “legally married” part that keeps us apart Maggy. I can wait! 🙂 🙂
      
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      November 14, 2017 6:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The missing $30,000,000 is a bit of a stumbling block – but who knows? There’s always Tomorrow’s spin of the wheel.
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:19pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Well if it’s only hard cash you’re after Maggy I could always sell my 10,000 bitcoins. Here was me thinking you were after me for my larger attributes. 🙂
        I just feel so utterly disappointed really!
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I must admit your large ears will be a bit off-putting; I wouldn’t begrudge you a few $1000 to undertake some reduction surgery.
        http://www.neatorama.com/2016/07/19/Why-Old-Men-Have-Big-Ears/
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:50pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Last time I offered to be a donor for plastic surgery Maggy the surgeon told me he had no takers for my offering. He told me black mon felt their wimmin would liken them to Zebras! 🙂
        
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        November 14, 2017 7:01pm
- realityczech
  
  Wiggles if nature wanted a child to have two parents raising a child then we would have evolved to have have a cisgender mum and dad to create one. It’s pretty obvious that is not the case !!!
  
  It is only right for Labour to oppose this and the 73% of people on the Stuff poll who disagree are ignorant. As are those smart arse scientists.
  
  Gender/families / non gay sex – are all social constructs of man-pigs.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think I read a book where once upon a time there were mummies and daddies.
    
    Ooops…. my mistake….seems it’s only the daddies that begat sons and daughters.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5%3A3-32&version=KJV
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:41pm
    - nasska
      
      Wrong book if you want to read about mummies & daddies Maggy. That one concentrates on daddies & insufferable pieces of excrement worthy only of slavery, childbirth & stoning.
      
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      November 14, 2017 6:47pm
    - realityczech
      
      Wiggles you make it sound soooo complicated. Give a guy what he wants in bed and you can pretty much get a free ride anywhere you want to go. They will invent any excuse to keep you.
      
      Basically if you don’t like cock you can not be a good parent. [calm down poofters I am not talking about you lot]
      
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      November 14, 2017 6:49pm
    - realityczech
      
      “I think I read a book where once upon a time there were mummies and daddies.”
      
      Fake News written by YT.
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Let’s get to know Iain Lees-Galloway:
  
  Hon Iain Lees-Galloway has been the Member of Parliament for Palmerston North since 2008. Born in South Auckland, Iain grew up on a beef farm near Waiuku. He moved to Palmerston North to study at Massey University and ultimately decided to stay and make the city his permanent home.
  
  While at university Iain became active in the student association. Initially his interest was in expanding the services the association provided to students. However, Iain discovered a passion for advocating and campaigning for positive change in his community which led him to work for the New Zealand Nurses Organisation and join the Labour Party.
  
  Lots of references to “Hon” on his Labour Party webpage – eg “Contact Hon Iain Lees-Galloway”. What sort of pillock uses an honorific in that way? Why not just “Contact Iain Lees-Galloway”? And what does Johnboy think about the hyphenated surname?
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:24pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Johnboy Walton-Sheep-Shagger has to to very careful on passing judgement on the morals of of other hyphenated chaps Nostradamus. 🙂
    However I can safely say after reading all the evidence before and against Iain he appears to be a complete and utter wanker! 🙂
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:32pm
  - itstricky
    
    Lots of references to “Hon” on his Labour Party webpage – eg “Contact Hon Iain Lees-Galloway”. What sort of pillock uses an honorific in that way?
    
    Well, some of these people, for starters:
    
    https://web.archive.org/web/20160310233010/https://www.national.org.nz/team/mps
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hardly excessive though is it- which was the point of Nostys post.
      I have friends with PHDs (alas I only have a Masters) but they don’t use ‘Dr’ at all.
      But Labour? Dr David Clark, Dr Megan Woods etc
      Funny thing is, it doesnt hide how useless they are.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:50pm
      - sam green
        
        Does it? How?
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:58pm
      - sam green
        
        My syntax was off.
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:10pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”I have friends with PHDs (alas I only have a Masters) but they don’t use ‘Dr’ at all.”…..
        
        You poor bastards. I’m still humble with a SC pass, HT licence & a weed sprayers ticket to boot. 🙂
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:25pm
      - itstricky
        
        Hardly excessive though is it- which was the point of Nostys post.
        
        What’s excessive, Hon? There’s 5 uses of Hon in L-G’s page and 4 Hons on Gerry Brownlee’s. So any more than 4 makes you a (quote) complete and utter wanker (unquote) but less than 4 makes you a good bloke?
        
        If you’re going to split that many hairs I might just go off and find that needle in that haystack over there -> …
        
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        November 14, 2017 9:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You counted them? And even then L-G had more. And only one of the Nats had just one less.
        Hahahahahahaha
        What a sad fuck.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:11pm
      - itstricky
        
        And only one of the Nats had just one less.
        
        I looked at the first one, being Brownlee and no others. It’s possible there were more, on other pages. I’m not sure what you take me for but my point, in opposition, was that it was a rather pathetic thing to pick on in the first place, but you still managed to come up with the comment:
        
        And even then L-G had more
        
        Like some sort of immature point scoring.
        
        What a sad fuck.
        
        At some point in the future it may dawn on you that I was implying something of the same nature with my ‘splitting hairs’ comment.
        
        Until then I’ll take that kiddy outburst as an example of how much you don’t like being challenged.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have friends with PHDs (alas I only have a Masters) but they don’t use ‘Dr’ at all.
      
      I always use Dr when I’m booking airline tickets…
      never know when you might get called upon to perform a retro-sigmoid craniotomy mid-flight.
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:43pm
    - Brito
      
      I use Dr. when I book planes. There a chance a trim young (female) steward might take pity on an old man and take me home when we land. Hasn’t happened yet but hope keeps me alive (and flying).
      
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      November 14, 2017 10:31pm
Fletch

What in the actual fk – why is Jacinda still so keen to take these migrants? Now she has gone to the U.N about it, and they are pressuring Australia as well.
It’s foolishness and a danger to our country.
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November 14, 2017 6:19pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I have no idea. Even a security guard from Manus has come out and said they are really bad bastards. Perhaps we’re in a race to join Sweden in the migrant rape stakes.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:26pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    But how would it look if she changed her stance now that she has stamped her foot?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:36pm
- nasska
  
  It’s a smoke screen to divert attention away from the embarrassing fact that everything else she’s touched to date has gone tits-up.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:26pm
  - Johnboy
    
    They’re hardly big enough to be noticed unless you propped them up with really lurid headlines surely nasska? 🙂
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:35pm
    - nasska
      
      As luck would have it I’ve always subscribed to the theory that more than a mouthful is a waste JB.
      
      I prefer to loathe her for her other attributes. 🙂
      
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      November 14, 2017 6:40pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ve never been wealthy enough to afford champagne so I’ve never had a suitable glass for measuring certain female attributes. 🙂
        I tend to slurp my booze out of a pudding bowl so I guess I’m a little biased toward the more well endowed end of the spectrum! 🙂
        
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        November 14, 2017 6:48pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        more than a mouthful is a waste
        
        Maybe Clarke Gayford can cover this off in his next article for, who was it he writes for, Newshub?
        
        It was a victory for the history books, but the Prime Minister-designate Jacinda Ardern is too busy to waste a day with a hangover. Her proud partner Clarke Gayford told the Herald that apart from a quick snack, the pair went straight to bed after the official obligations following last night’s announcement wrapped up.
        
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        November 14, 2017 7:02pm
    - nasska
      
      An expose on how they share the same interests, cultural tastes, ambitions & bras you think Nostra? 🙂
      
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      November 14, 2017 7:06pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I thought they’d still in mourning for Paddles?
        I can see a useful job for Gareth in the pipeline advising them on public relations! 🙂
        
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        November 14, 2017 7:10pm
- realityczech
  
  We should bring in a few boatloads of pretty young sexually oppressed Muslim women. They are high maintenance pussy and will thrust us towards a high income economy in no time.
  
  insha’Allah, of course 🙂
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:41pm
- GazzaW
  
  Why are we taking the Manus refugees when it flies in the face of logic Fletch? Simple, we are delivering on one of H1’s promises to the UN.
  
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  November 14, 2017 10:40pm
Keeping Stock

An outstanding speech from Christopher Finlayson this afternoon, where he tore Winston Peters a new one:

https://youtu.be/FgJT6MAr5tc
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November 14, 2017 6:39pm
- realityczech
  
  Still pissed an old Maori guy bet our boy Billy ? Note he did it without playing the Maori card or demanding special treatment.
  
  No wonder you are pissed off redneck.
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:44pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Ha ha the idiot that voted for Winston speaks with his usual diatribe and bottom feeding suck up.
    
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    November 14, 2017 6:53pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No, instead he was promising to end special treatment. How was that not playing the Maori card?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:40pm
UpandComer

Hipkins man. Now he’s said he is going to let schools choose whether they will keep National Standards. Except there won’t be national moderation. So the standards aren’t national. There is no psychometric component. So it is no longer a ‘standard’. Nothing is being tested. I guess schools will locally moderate, so you’ll get like, regional varying benchmarks. That will operate alongside ‘assessment against curriculum’ which means nothing, because standards aren’t national.

Okay lets say the advocates of non-standards education and any form of hierarchy come in. Can they at least agree it is blithering idiocy to try and combine two polar opposite irreconcilable and antithetical systems? Why? Why is he being such a little weirdo? Why can’t he just stick to his policy, say National Standards are wrong and stupid and teachers needs a 15% pay-rise and we need to adopt what lefties think is the no-homework Finland model and if you don’t like it, get stuffed? He is such a creep. I’m fucking worried for my kids. This is going to be a fucking mess for this entire term. What the fuck Chris.
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November 14, 2017 6:42pm
- Johnboy
  
  I wouldn’t have asked Chippie about a fuck if I were you mate! 🙂
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:50pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Johnboy:
    
    I wouldn’t have asked Chippie about a fuck if I were you mate!
    
    Which Labour Party MP would you suggest "UpandComer" ask instead? 🙂
    
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    November 14, 2017 7:08pm
    - Johnboy
      
      If he’s into inter-species sex, keen on tattoo’s and has a death wish from crushing there’s only one pick really! 🙂
      
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      November 14, 2017 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They’ll have to take the Cambridge International exam…
  
  Nothing else from NZ will be recognised.
  
  We (old teachers) raised these issues back when NCEA was introduced
  
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  November 14, 2017 7:05pm
  - UpandComer
    
    I can’t even home school them because Hipkins the little twerp has tucked alongside SAFE Schools, where my son will learn he can also lose his anal virginity, govt qualifications for home schooling parents. Fuck. Fuck these fucking people. Even if I disagree with them, why can’t they at least implement their stupidity and folly competently. How can he be such a cunt as to try and have a national standard without the national part, or the standard part.
    
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    November 14, 2017 7:11pm
    - nasska
      
      Never forget that the unions are Labour’s paymasters U&C.
      
      Finally the pig ignorant teachers can demand total non accountability for their inability to teach.
      
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      November 14, 2017 7:16pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Did you used to cane or strap the naughty little chaps Maggy? 🙂
    
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    November 14, 2017 7:18pm
    - nasska
      
      They’re probably all spending fistloads of cash getting their jollies & reliving their school days at Madam Lash’s House of Pain by now JB. 🙂
      
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      November 14, 2017 7:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hell, I’m not that old!
      
      I used to hold lunch-time detentions for the naughty boys until the entire class demanded to spend lunch-time with me.
      One chap (son of a bp leader) arrived about 10min late to a detention. I told him that he wasn’t one of those that had transgressed and he should go for lunch….
      Na, he replied… already been home for lunch… It’s too boring there… it’s more fun in your detentions.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:25pm
Maxx

Good to see Ardern embraced by other leaders in the conversation
https://i.redd.it/a6ckt9ysjoxz.png
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November 14, 2017 6:49pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Looks like she’s waiting to serve them drinks!
  
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  November 14, 2017 6:59pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha I bet she wishes she was a waitress! Pathetic bimbo who is totally out of her League- No wonder they are clearly ignoring her ridiculous ‘Anti-Capitalist’ rants!
    
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    November 14, 2017 7:17pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You guys know, I’m sure, that every stupid, mean and mirth-free “joke” you make about her tells us nothing about HER, but an awful lot about the sort of people who are reduced to such useless personal abuse.
      
      https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1478/90/1478903445737.jpg
      
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      November 14, 2017 7:53pm
      - nasska
        
        Yet every non-funny, vicious slur you could make about John Key (& his family) was above board & totally okay?
        
        Got you.
        
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        November 14, 2017 7:57pm
      - Morrissey
        
        What was unfunny about me posting evidence of Key’s dishonesty and Key’s harassment of women? I wasn’t trying to be funny. You think I was?
        
        I’ve had a go at his idiot son, yes, but only because he’s a disgusting, cowardly piece of work….
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:00pm
      - stigie
        
        At least nothing was covered up like the sordid affair that the Professor was up to at LAX !~
        Remember that Morrie..?
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Let’s keep that between you and me, stigie old chum….
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol at the boychild Morrissey who posts memes and gifs.
        So funny the lack of self awareness.
        
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        November 14, 2017 8:29pm
      - Brito
        
        Come on Morry, she has no class, no sense of style, and is hardly toothsome in appearance.
        
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        November 14, 2017 10:34pm
Morrissey

Bob Geldof has, correctly, described Aung San Suu Kyi
as a “handmaiden to genocide and accomplice to murder”.

Bob Geldof has said he will return his Freedom of the City of Dublin in protest against the Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who also holds the award. Mr Geldof said “her association with our city shames us all”. Ms Suu Kyi has faced heavy criticism over her failure to address allegations of ethnic cleansing against Myanmar’s Rohingya Muslims. More than half a million Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh following recent violence.

Mr Geldof, the musician and founder of Band Aid, said in a statement: “Her association with our city shames us all and we should have no truck with it, even by default. We honoured her, now she appals and shames us.”

He is handing back the award at City Hall in the Irish capital on Monday morning.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41964299

HOWEVER: who’s this consorting with another handmaiden to genocide and accomplice to murder?…..

http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/2013/April/11/geldof_thatcher_g_w.jpg

….and who’s this consorting with another bloody monster?

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Bill+Clinton+Bob+Geldof+BILD+OSGAR+Award+1eyJ3BAYqkbl.jpg
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November 14, 2017 7:46pm
- SGA
  
  Geez, and it’s not even a Monday.
  
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  November 14, 2017 7:52pm
- Longknives
  
  Nobody has listened to silly old Bob Geldof since Live Aid in 1985.
  Since then his life has been a trainwreck of failed Marriages, Drug Addiction and Junkie kids all the while spouting increasingly extreme Left-Wing Politics…
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:04pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You don’t have to be “extreme left-wing” to oppose mass murder in Burma, Cambodia and Iraq.
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:07pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I see two supporters of Suu Kyi, Thatcher and Clinton have pushed the thumbs down button.
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:11pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Morrissey:
      
      Yesterday, courtesy of freemark, Kiwiblog readers learned that Peace Action Wellington has discovered that NZ police are carrying out mass murder:
      
      Peaceful protesters at the blockade were punched and kicked in the head, had their necks stood on, a wrist broken, fingers broken, and were picked up by the hair and thrown into oncoming traffic. Women were sexually assaulted. All of this was carried out by the police. People ended up in A&E and many were traumatised after being assaulted. Is this really the police just doing their job? And if this is the police’s job, is that something we should be comfortable with?
      
      Surely we should be more concerned about this local problem than the goings-on in Burma, Cambodia and Iraq?
      
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      November 14, 2017 8:15pm
nasska

What’s the difference between graphite and lead?

NZ Herald readers aren’t easily graphite.
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November 14, 2017 7:48pm
- stigie
  
  One’s a powder the other a solid that can be melted….
  I was never the sharpest knife in the draw !!
  But a chocolate fish will do !~
  
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  November 14, 2017 7:57pm
  - sam green
    
    Some pineapple lumps?
    
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    November 14, 2017 9:08pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.unhcr.org/50ab90399.pdf

ISLAM AND REFUGEES – UNHCR

According to Islamic migration law (hijrah) there should be no problems….

scroll to ‘challenges’ to overcome

Sums up why Hirjrah is not what it is made out to be.
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November 14, 2017 8:08pm
cha

‘Murica

Texas (KTRK) —
In less than two months, Texas will enact a new open carry law for knives and swords.

Last week, Gov. Greg Abbott signed House Bill 1935 into law.

Starting Sept. 1, it will be legal for adults in Texas to open carry knives, daggers and swords.

http://abc13.com/news/open-carry-law-for-swords-knives-to-begin-in-september/2205221/
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November 14, 2017 8:10pm
- nasska
  
  ….”to open carry knives, daggers and swords.”….
  
  That’s just a PC sop to immigrants. What I’d like to see, there & in NZ, is open carrying of handguns.
  
  Nothing is a better leveller. The rapee is then the equal of the rapist. The weak old lady is the equal of her young & strong assailant.
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Just think how much crime might be prevented if the Police could do Stop and Search in places like, say Chicago or London.
    Nah, that would be racist.
    Let’s just let people get stabbed, acid thrown at them or shot.
    Open carry is a great idea. I reckon it would encourage polite discourse
    
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    November 14, 2017 8:38pm
    - sooty
      
      No point taking a knife to a gun fight!
      
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      November 14, 2017 9:13pm
cha

Trouble at t’chapel .

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/ken-hams-religion-pushes-children-towards-atheism/
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November 14, 2017 8:29pm
- nasska
  
  Once they realise that their arses are on the line the move to atheism makes more sense cha. 🙂
  
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  November 14, 2017 8:34pm
All_on_Red

Look out!
Taxcinda’s stamping her foot and having a tanty!
‘Ardern reacted angrily to suggestions that her offer…. was encouraging people smugglers’
The brush off by the adults in the room wouldn’t have helped either.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944087
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November 14, 2017 9:24pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Rapists and criminal syndicates. Yay Cindy. Stupid fucking bint. She may wag her boney finger at the Pacific, but she’s a fucking embarrassing school girl.
  
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  November 14, 2017 11:07pm

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