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https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
American Physical Society
[2007] The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/09/the-climate-has-changed-before-but-this-is-different-look-at-the-archeological-record
[2017] The United States government published the Climate Science Special Report authored by 13 federal agencies, which states unequivocally that climate change is occurring and it is caused by human actions. The Trump Administration responded to the report by stating: “The climate has changed and is always changing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/09/bonn-climate-change-talks-us-two-tribes
[2017] The counter-Trump movement in Bonn is spearheaded by Jerry Brown, governor of California, and Michael Bloomberg, billionaire former mayor of New York. A coalition of 14 US states, including California and New York, are on track to meet the US target of a 26-28% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2025, compared to 2005 levels. The goal was set by Barack Obama as part of the Paris agreement between 195 nations to avoid dangerous global warming of more than 2C.

There was an old pussy called Trump
Who tweeted while having a dump
He moderated his tone
While on the throne
Then it was all hands to the pump
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November 11, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Knob
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:03am
  - Gabby
    
    Puller
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:12pm
- stigie
  
  Definitely gone by 9.00am……NURSE !!
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:09am
  - peterwn
    
    Wrong! Gone by 8.25am.
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:25am
- Notsofast
  
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  Surprising to hear the normally surefooted Rodney Hide holding hands with Trump in this antiscience extravaganza. Focus on rate of change to understand that naked apes are achieving the seemingly impossible, turning ice into water to walk on.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:03am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well it is not as bad as your arguments in trying to turn murderers into Saints
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:07am
    - Notsofast
      
      Then you will enjoy my open letter to Andrew Little, truth value equivalent to the argument you just roundly praised.
      
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      November 11, 2017 10:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If it’s an open letter, why not post it here?
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:10am
      - Notsofast
        
        I may post early tomorrow so the coffe tastes better…
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:53am
      - Kimbo
        
        Is that kinda like,
        
        “I love the smell of coffee in the morning. Smelled like [sniffing, pondering] victory”?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5N-4JvVyk
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:58am
      - Notsofast
        
        In Palmerston North they will be holding their noses, sorry chaps.
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:02pm
  - Morrissey
    
    …the normally surefooted Rodney Hide…
    
    ?!!???!?!???
    
    http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0605/55ffd0ef0f2a4f2f0375.jpeg
    
    https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1261603846/861/3192861.jpg
    
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    November 11, 2017 3:06pm
Paulus Gnome

I was going to say WoO who but you know, fat slow fingers etc., will try again tomorrow, sorry team
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November 11, 2017 8:01am
hullkiwi

Seems Cindy and co were out to have a signing ceremony without making sure everybody was ready to sign up. And now it is all left for some future date.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/tpp-talks-postponed-after-canada-no-show/ar-BBENmPD?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=spartandhp
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November 11, 2017 8:01am
- oldpark
  
  Has not gone down well in Canada, Trudeau sabotaging the TPP.Rumour there he pulled out because there were not enough trangenders or retired Canadian Taleban terrorists in the agreement.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:17am
  - SJ Actual
    
    This could be very interesting. Hopefully it will be resolved and signed, but if not, Labour will have the worst of both worlds. No deal and having to explain to its supporters why it was willing to sell out.
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:20am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      On the contrary, this is a stroke of good fortune. To opponents of TPP, they can say that they secured amazing concessions, without having to explain what they are because of negotiating conventions. To supporters of TPP, it’s very unfortunate but not Jacinda’s fault that it didn’t happen. Irritating, but luck has to fall to others sometimes
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:29am
    - Happychappy
      
      Why did David Parker release a statement yesterday saying it was not NZ or Canada were not the ones holding it up and we still don’t know what NZ demands were met.
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:31am
      - Piniwi
        
        Not only that happychappy but he showed the normal socialist negativity with this gem: “over the last 10 years of the last Government exports went down as a proportion of the economy. That proves free trade agreements aren’t the be-all and end-all for exports.”
        Forgetting what they said for so long so often that NZ needed to diversify and build up industry to reduce export dependency. That is what has been happening for the last 9 years while they were lounging around in opposition. Scary stuff coming from our Minister of Trade.
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:07pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Lucky them!!!
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:35am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I’m sure the organisers did their best to ensure all mirrors were removed from the venue, but obviously they missed one.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:04am
  - Doubledimp
    
    My concern is; what does the media know but is not telling us? The leftie MSM seem to filter stuff when bad news comes for the Labour party.
    
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    November 11, 2017 10:01am
- VicParking
  
  Jacindia will come back in a glow of sucess. ‘We achieved everything we wanted in the agreement but because of Canada…….’. We wont know if we achieved anything and what we had to give up because it will be all secret. The MSM however will fawn all over her, ‘great statesperson’, ‘world leader’, ‘tough negotiator’……
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:41am
  - 3-coil
    
    Ardern will also come back reeking of the designer luxury perfume that she bought while shopping with her new bestie Jan Trottman (the pissed pygmy’s current missus) in the duty-free store. The Labour plebs who voted her in won’t be able to afford it, and the Green party numpties will hate her using and supporting Chanel (with its dodgy animal testing practices), but what the hell – she’s the boss now, she’ll “refuse to accept” that it is a problem.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:10am
  - Prince
    
    It is an omnishambles for Labour and the media accompanying them.
    Apparently the final days meeting saw Ardern preening herself for the various media photos, and no one noticed Canada wasn’t there. Kind of hard to miss you’d think.
    Then the premature announcement that we had gained some relief but the evil Nats had not given them enough time to fully display their negotiation skills.
    Well, unless there is a last minute reprieve, they will have plenty of time to own the final agreement.
    But beneath all the spin they know NZ needs this agreement, with or without the irrelevant Dispute mechanisms.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:17am
  - niggly
    
    Yep, just looked at Stuff – there are several articles all positively reporting on Jacinda and the TPPA!
    
    (Jacinda is already spinning it that they were getting what they wanted in terms if ISDS clawbacks – yeah right, as if – another Jacinda lie in the making)?
    
    Which is kind of strange because if it were say John Key or Bill English at APEC and Canada did their TPPA no show, the media certainly wouldn’t be spinning how good it was for these two – instead the media would be highlighting they achieved absolutely nothing at the end!
    
    What’s even stranger is none of those Fairfax articles are allowing comments! The MSM really don’t want Kiwi’s to rain on Jacinda’s parade by pointing out ultimately her failure there to achieve anything in terms of trade advantages for NZ Inc (which also means less revenue potential for the COL Govt coffers by way of taxes to pay for their massive spending plans)!
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:22am
- Piniwi
  
  Strange hullkiwi when we consider that there is some changes in store for the NAFTA as well as MAGA about to change the business tax structure. Things are about to change closer to home for Canada.
  It might also indicate we all fell into a Media party trap in their haste to make the Commie Chick look good as the glitter fades.
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:15pm
artemisia

So we have a honeymoon / baseline poll and lots of folk are happy. From the Horizon website –

Nearly twice as many New Zealanders are feeling positive rather than negative about the effect the new Labour-led government will have on them personally.

A Horizon Research survey of 1,068 adults nationwide between October 24 and November 1, 2017, finds overall that

49% say the new government will positively affect them personally in the next three years
24% say it will affect them negatively
28% say the affect will be neither positive nor negative.
The numbers do not vary by gender.
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November 11, 2017 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  Bullshit!
  This ‘Government’ is a laughing stock- Even their own adoring Media is starting to turn against them..
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:03am
  - treadingthemill
    
    This ‘Government’ is a laughing stock
    
    Only to a few hard right people.
    
    Even their own adoring Media is starting to turn against them
    
    The media was never adoring as a whole. It was natural that there would be a lot of “excitement” articles when Jacinda Ardern took over and Labour finally had a leader with personality and energy, and especially when the parties polls started to rise, but during the election weeks there were also articles that were questioning or critical. And since the election, nothing on that score has changed. The media is not as biased as political tribalists on the right and left like to think. Much of what they perceive as bias is their own confirmation bias at work.
    
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    November 11, 2017 10:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  “49% say the new government will positively affect them personally in the next three years”
  
  You mean 49% reckon this government is going to give them free money. ?
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:10am
  - peterwn
    
    Includes tenants of private landlords. Labour will drive these landlords out in their quest to try and lower house prices (which without building new houses will be like Canute trying to hold the sea back). So where will the tenants go?
    USA cities (who have more power in this regard than NZ cities) have sought to preserve rental housing stock by forbidding rental apartments being turned into condos (unit titles in our lingo).
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:17am
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes peterwn. Even before the first affordable home is built the housing market is slipping as the worm turns. Buyers are getting scarce and next we will hear those renting told to make the most of what they have an private rentals disappear. The Fool Factor yet again.
      
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      November 11, 2017 6:21pm
  - stigie
    
    Yep, the way things are going, Joyce’s 11.7 billion hole will be turning up well before the COL have had their 3 years of giving taxpayer money away like a lollie scramble !~
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:21am
    - Happychappy
      
      stigie : It is good that newsroom have published the article from Pete George concerning Stephen Joyce’s questions to the Labour Finance in thursday Parliamentry Question time where Grant Robertson could not come up with with any answer to say that Steven Joyce is wrong in fact he could not deny that what he was being asked was wrong. All the questions are there to be seen for those that have not seen it.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:23am
      - stigie
        
        Would it be wise then Happy, that Joyce should revise that figure up to 30 billion..?
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:52am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Do you have a link please?
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think this is what happychappy is referring to
        
        https://yournz.org/2017/11/10/minister-of-finance-refuses-to-commit-to-campaign-promises/
        
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        November 11, 2017 10:07am
      - Piniwi
        
        True Happychappy. a rock and a hard place for the little poofter who failed to answer the question so Mallard stepped in to save him. One of his illustrations of his ineptitude as the Speaker. Plenty more where this came from.
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:28pm
- flipper
  
  Now how accurate was Horizon in predicting the General Election?
  This is bullshit!
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  First question, who commissioned this silly piece of research?
  
  Second, what was the sample group and how was the survey conducted?
  
  Given the duplicitous one has told us the economy is going to crash, how are people going to be positively affected by the new government?
  
  It smacks of more dubious spin in a week of bad spin.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:34am
  - tf78
    
    Positively affected doesn’t necessarily mean in a good way, just they are positive they will be affected
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:37am
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Ten Reasons We Got Rid of the Nasty Party
No. 7: Keeping these zombies out of the grave

https://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/John-Banks-in-dock.jpg?x57220

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11210988

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89523/acts-david-seymour-looks-be-fighting-stay-relevant-election-national-odds-need-winston
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November 11, 2017 8:01am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Care to comment on the 100th year since the Bolshevik Revolution, Morrissey?
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:28am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Not really. Why should I?
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:32am
    - Liberty
      
      Yes you should.
      Considering your agenda comes from the same faith that inspired Lenin and Stalin.
      We were fortunate the Marxist agitators that started the labour party on the west coast
      were more moderate than Comrade Lenin.
      It could of been so different.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:59am
      - Morrissey
        
        …your agenda comes from the same faith that inspired Lenin and Stalin…
        
        You know, I’ve had to call out your foolishness and naïveté on many occasions in the past, in various fora, but that allegation is a classic in benighted ignorance, even by your standards.
        
        …the Marxist agitators that started the labour party on the west coast…
        
        You know as much about the history of New Zealand labour as you do about me.
        
        http://fashion-incubatorcom.r.worldssl.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/confused_fi_jpg.jpg
        
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        November 11, 2017 10:58am
      - Liberty
        
        Morrissey
        This is grass roots Labour
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/runanga-miners-hall
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:24am
      - Liberty
        
        Morrissey
        “as you do about me.”
        
        You have been posting socialist drivel on here and other platforms for years.
        under your current name or a number of sock puppets.
        Which would give anyone the impression you are a raving Marxist.
        So feel free to correct the impression.
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:38am
      - Morrissey
        
        Dear old “Liberty” vents as follows…
        
        You have been posting socialist drivel on here and other platforms for years. …
        
        Even my detractors—the compos mentis ones that is, not those like yourself—acknowledge that my posts are always well written, well researched, and coherent, even on those occasions when my interpretation differs from theirs. I’ve never advocated any particular political ideology, ever. I don’t think you have any idea what “socialist” means other than it being a nebulous term of abuse.
        
        So feel free to correct the impression.
        
        Your “impressions” are so vague and so ill-defined that it would be pointless to try to do so. I leave it to others to counsel you and correct you, kindly and caringly of course.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzRO5Eidqs
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:02pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Even my detractors—the compos mentis ones that is, not those like yourself—acknowledge that my posts are always well written, well researched, and coherent, even on those occasions when my interpretation differs from theirs
        
        I’ve offered on many occasions the constructive advice that you seem somewhat addicted, Morrissey, to the use of emphatic adverbs.
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:20pm
      - Morrissey
        
        One of our more learned colleagues writes:
        
        I’ve offered on many occasions the constructive advise [sic] that you seem somewhat addicted, Morrissey, to the use of emphatic adverbs.
        
        And I appreciate that “advise” very much, my friend. After fulsomely praising oneself as one did in that little jab at one’s old buddy Liberty, it is salutary to be brought back down to earth, yet again, by a scholar and gentleman such as the inestimable Kimbo.
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Too late. Although I do acknowledge you cut-and-pasted my typo…before I corrected it.
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I will, then.
    
    I don’t think it worked out too well for some folks.
    http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a8072/russian-tsar-execution/
    
    But some folks have done quite well.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-16276956/russian-oligarchs-what-you-need-to-know
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:45am
    - RalphT
      
      Thanks, Maggy. The town and country articles was a very good read.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:55am
- notrotsky
  
  Hasn’t your sphincter got a fist waiting for it Moz?
  
  Big ups that you’re no longer obsessed with the All Blacks winning ways, but you’re still a terrible bore old boy.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:08am
Nostalgia-NZ

Big 24 hours for NZ sport, all controversial decisions available on video replays unlike backroom politics and deliberate leaks. Sport has moved on and politics is left where it can be manipulated.
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November 11, 2017 8:04am
- Morrissey
  
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  Video replays are the death of sport. The sight of rugby referees forming a TV screen with their hands after nearly every try is one of the most pathetic sights in all of sport.
  
  I recommend you watch a game of American football on Sky this weekend to see it taken to its absurd extreme—the announcers proudly announce throughout that “every scoring play is reviewed!” in “the bunker” in New York.
  
  https://deadspin.com/take-away-the-refs-mics-1820074611
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:17am
  - Morrissey
    
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    I see a couple of people don’t like my criticism of sports being slowed down by video deliberations. Guess they’re the sorts of “fan” who think basketball games being stopped every few seconds by coach’s timeouts is enthralling rather than frustrating….
    
    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/05/a_timeout_to_kill.html
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:31am
    - flipper
      
      Slate = Red Banner aka Standard ….
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:54am
    - softail 1450
      
      moronissey ,you are a bonifide nutcase ,,,
      
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      November 11, 2017 3:09pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You may well be correct, softail 1450—but how do you deduce that from my opposition to sports being ruined by overbearing and spurious technology?
        
        It’s worth considering that my misgivings about this are shared by many American sports fans as well….
        
        http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/replay-lose-nuance-of-game/
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:37pm
  - KevOB
    
    Good–you’re off politics.
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:39am
- flipper
  
  Yes Nos-NZ….and thank the Lord we will be able to see for ourselves and not via the media’s tinted lense…. but wait… there among us idiots who want to shut down Sky and have us rely on the Government … or Nerdflix BS.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  What sport. Unless you have Sky you can see nothing.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:44am
  - flipper
    
    Exactly Vic ….
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:51am
Longknives

Any word yet on how much of her whopping $500k a year Jacinda ‘Capitalism has Failed’ Ardern is giving to those poor,starving kids yet??
After wagging her horrible,bony finger at and preaching to us all on the evils of Money,Capitalism and White Privilege if she doesn’t give most of that salary away she is a fucking hypocrite…
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November 11, 2017 8:08am
- itstricky
  
  Makes a change from listening to sermons about the evils of communism, feminism and liberalism here, I suppose.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:20am
- JibberJabber
  
  Given that Child poverdy and homelessness have miraculously disappeared from the assorted media whore pages overnight, it seems St Cindy has eradicated it and it is worth every cent we are gonna pay her.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:51am
  - stigie
    
    Yes JJ, she had this vision dont you know on no poverdy and no suicides. My fairies told me this down at the back of my garden !~
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:59am
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes JJ the Commie Chick has moved on to saving the world with Global Warming being mans biggest problem now. She always plays to her audience as seen by school visits dominating her election campaign.
    
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    November 11, 2017 6:33pm
- kowtow
  
  But yesterday we were treated to her invoking the climate change thingy as the biggest thingy facing humanity.
  
  I wonder what the starving millions in Somalia , Yemen , Syria etc make of that.
  
  Me , the biggest threat facing humanity is selfish agenda driven politicians creating crises for their own benefit be they war , famine , corruption, migration or poverdy in Aotearoa.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:37am
  - Digmen1
    
    I agree, most wars and conflicts in the world at the moment are caused by evil politicians for their own gain.
    They get their fat salaries, while their people and countries go backwards.
    
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    November 11, 2017 1:22pm
  - namron
    
    I have spent much time snorting with derision at all the News about our “beloved” [ and lots more inappropriate adjectives] PM and the embarrassing things she is reported to have said.
    Just considering the other countries in the TPP and their populations – her importance and relevance might be kept in proportion if considering a few facts. eg NZ’s population compared to that of other members.
    Mexico 129 million
    Japan 128 million
    Vietnam 96 million
    NZ nearly 5 million!!
    Having been our Prime Minister for just 3 -4 weeks [and probably still suffering from the untimely death of her cat], I am sure every time she opens her mouth everyone listens intently and just soaks up every word she says – accompanied by lol!!
    
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    November 11, 2017 1:38pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ Longknives
  
  After wagging her horrible,bony finger at and preaching to us all on the evils of Money,Capitalism and White Privilege
  
  I heard most of her speeches and read or saw most of her interviews. I never heard her say anything against money or mention white privilege, and the one interview where she said capitalism had failed only in some specific areas was misreported and has become a kind of urban myth on Kiwiblog. The Jacinda Ardern that exists in your mind and the one walking around in the real world don’t seem to be the same person.
  
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  November 11, 2017 11:01am
- Viking2
  
  Not yet but is pounds to a pinch of shit the crap around stopping negative gearing gets lost once she joins Clark in the rental house business.
  
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  November 11, 2017 5:16pm
flipper

A classic example of how the MSM has lost credibility. Last night the NZ Herald bannered a piece on APEC as follows:
WORLD
Trump attacks China at Apec
• 10 Nov, 2017 8:11pm
• Quick Read
Trump says US has been “taken advantage of” by China in trade.
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The problem with that is that he didn’t attack China.
He actually attacked previous US administrations, saying that he recognised that every country, China included, had to act in its own best interests. The US had allowed a situation to develop where concessions available in the USA were not reciprocated in other countries. Trump went on to detail the new US attitude to trade – if the US permitted free entry by other nations, those nations would be expected to allow free entry to US manufacturers etc. There would be no special duties, or compulsory joint ventures, or other devices would be permitted. It would be trade from USA to X, and from nation X to the USA. Intellectual property would be protected, and subsidised production would not be eligible …and do on. The US would, he said, do this via bilateral trade agreements that set equal terms for both parties.

Certainly a hard-nosed policy, and Trump foreshadowed the protection of US interests, but not what the Herald bannered.
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November 11, 2017 8:16am
- VicParking
  
  Agreed. I choked in my greul and stale bread as I saw that fake news in the newspaper I use to keep warm. The little homeless boy beside me said dont cry Jancinda is coming to save us. From what I have read Trump has done well in China. Talked hard when needed, been passive when needed, quite the diplomat.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah,
    Trump has just secured $250 Billion in deals with China.
    http://fortune.com/2017/11/09/trump-china-deals-companies-signed/
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:09am
    - realityczech
      
      Maggy, Trump is really showing just how bad the ignorant black warlord really was. The virtue signallers are hating hit.
      
      He has achieved so much in such a short time. It is like the great man does not know how to lose. Its is just win win win 🙂
      
      Unlike his pathetic detractors who are bitter lying losers.
      
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      November 11, 2017 1:25pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, and they were the same administrations that Kicked the North Korean can down the road, to the stage that they now have nukes and missiles.
  
  Thanks Obama.
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:20pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Thanks ~~Obama~~ Bill Clinton.
    
    There! Fixed that for ya…
    
    But in all likelihood, if we are talking about Iranian nukes and missiles in some 20 years, then yes. Obama.
    
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    November 11, 2017 1:22pm
Manolo

Never to be friends:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/saudi-arabia-iran-battle-power-middle-east-n819041
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November 11, 2017 8:17am
itstricky

For Kimbo

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11942680
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November 11, 2017 8:17am
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks for that, istricky. From the link, and with emphasis:
  
  Use of “function words” – pronouns and adjectives – soars.
  
  But stressed subjects were also much less likely to use third-person plural pronouns – such as ‘they’, ‘their’ and ‘them’.
  
  The researchers say this could be because people under pressure tend to focus more on themselves instead of those around them.
  
  They also simply tended to speak less.
  
  Study author Matthias Mehl told Nature we choose ‘meaning words’ (nouns and verbs) consciously when we speak. But when it comes to function words, these are often inserted subconsciously.
  
  Such words “are produced more automatically and they betray a bit more about what’s going on with the speaker“, he says.
  
  So they act as “emotional intensifiers” … reflecting a speaker’s state of arousal. Even if they don’t realise it themselves.
  
  Bingo!! I’m assuming, that like adjectives, adverbs, especially emphatic adverbs are function words. Yes, sometimes I rabbit on about Kimbo’s law*, sometimes for a lark, but the point is valid, and is supported by this analysis. The user is emotionally agitated because the ideas that give them emotional comfort and security have been called into question, hence they over-compensate when stating those beliefs by rolling them in the rhetorical turd glitter of “obviously”, “absolutely”, “definitely”, and “undoubtedly”. If your precious belief is as self-evident as you think, it shouldn’t need those words to make the case. Instead, you are trying to massage your own fragile emotions…and convince the gullible by an increased level of rhetorical certitude. So they are emotive words, and as per my genius of a 5th Form English teacher, one of the signs of a poor argument is resorting to emotion.
  
  * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs”.
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh rubbish, Kimbo.
    
    Read the abstract of the paper (paper is paywalled)
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/10/31/1707373114.abstract
    
    The psycho-sociobabblers are discussing the evidence of 143 individual’s natural speech.
    
    There’s nothing to indicate the folks are engaging in debate or argument.
    Just having a chat, perhaps.
    Now, some folks talk in grunts, some are effusive, others suffer from prolix.
    But astonishingly, these researchers can ascertain a measure of “nonconciously evaluated wellbeing” by eavesdropping on their subjects.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/10/31/1707373114
    https://www.nature.com/news/language-patterns-reveal-body-s-hidden-response-to-stress-1.22964
    
    But, but, but, More research is needed.
    
    Why don’t you submit a proposal to the Marsden Fund to study the level of stress Kiwiblog commenters are under (based on 100000s of comments herein)?
    
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    November 11, 2017 11:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      Oh rubbish, Kimbo.
      
      The psycho-sociobabblers…
      
      Hmm. Those additional qualifiers indicate “function words”. 😉
      
      And I was using the thesis to shed light and corroborate Kimbo’s law, not defend the thesis in its entirety. One would hope, Maggy, that your thoughts on Climate Change – or ballist earth theory 😉 – are not so…half-cocked.
      
      Plus, um, any parent of teenagers could have ~~told you~~ offered the anecdotal evidence that when they resort to pronouns – “you said”, :you promised”, “you lied” – then they are under stress. 😉
      
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      November 11, 2017 11:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kimbo,
        don’t try and align me with your nutty friends.
        It’s your wealthy mate that lies down on beaches with high-powered telescopes wondering how could the ancients have got it so wrong.
        
        I don’t think the teenagers are under stress when they say “You said, You promised”… They’ve just caught Mummy & daddy telling porkies again.
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:42am
      - Kimbo
        
        I don’t think the teenagers are under stress when they say “You said, You promised”… They’ve just caught Mummy & daddy telling porkies again.
        
        I hereby submit that suspect thesis to peer review among the perceptive minds of the Kiwiblog community, and predict that, if you posted it first thing on Kiwiblog General Debate (admittedly a difficult task these days), it would disappear in a hail of downticks. Indeed, it would make a William of Ockham, Hugh Pavletich or publicwatchdog missive look like the sales figures of J K Rowling! 😉
        
        And my friend is not nutty, just courageous enough to follow the dictates of his counter-intuitive unorthodoxies. Plus he does not lie down on beaches – he uses an elevation of 0.5 metres with his measurements. 😉
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The psycho-sociobabblers…
        
        Hmm. Those additional qualifiers indicate “function words”. ?
        
        NO KIMBO,
        
        psycho-sociobabblers is a NOUN and by the authors’ own definition is not a “function” word; it is a “meaning” word.
        
        But, if you want to debate Words with me, I suggest we work to established grammatical definitions and not
        psycho-sociobabblisms.
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, I would submit, in the spirit of the thesis, “researchers” would be an example of meaning words, whereas the overwrought value-laden affectation “psycho-sociobabblers” is a function word. At the very least it is a compound noun:
        
        Most compound nouns contain at least one noun. The other word or words may be an adjective, preposition, or verb. The second word is almost always the main word, with the first word modifying it or adding to its meaning.
        
        http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/compound-noun.html
        
        …and last time I looked, a modifier is an adjective or adverb.
        
        And given your misreporting of my friend’s earth-curvature experiments, I’m beginning to doubt your ability to report correctly and critique alleged climate change. Are you always so, sloppy and cavalier with the facts when reporting scientific findings with which you disagree? 😉
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Are you always so, sloppy and cavalier with the facts?
        
        Hey Kimbo,
        Check it out for yourself. I can’t do all your thinking for you.
        
        You’ve got about 7569 comments from me here to check over for yourself….I can furnish you with your further material if you so require.
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yet you misreport:
        
        your (pronoun!) nutty (adjective!) friend…your (pronoun!) wealthy (adjective!) mate that lies down on beaches
        
        …when instead he ~~wades~~ treads in the mudflats and sets his tripod at 0.5m above sea level. He’s not stupid! 😉
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:27pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        GEEEEEZUS KIMBO,
        
        I”M STRESSSSSSSED.
        CAN’T YOU SEE THAT????????
        
        Anyway, I’m bored; it’s BLOODY cold, and I’m off to lunchies.
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “Persistence beats resistance”. 🙂
        
        Enjoy your meal, and the one my friend intends to shout you.
        
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        November 11, 2017 12:33pm
softail 1450

I know I’m an old bugger (nowhere near super) but
can someone explain how this works ,I just read in a blog that the new labour mp kiri allan is a lesbian that was recently married her partner ,here’s the thing ,where did the baby come from FFS..?
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November 11, 2017 8:19am
- itstricky
  
  How about ‘adoption’?
  
  Are you pre-Moses?
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:22am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Sorry – downtick error
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:25am
  - softail 1450
    
    it’stricky ,are you post menstrual ?
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:56am
    - itstricky
      
      People are strange.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:22am
      - Longknives
        
        Faces look ugly when you’re alone..
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:53am
      - itstricky
        
        Perhaps we share one thing in common.
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:56am
- Longknives
  
  What a bitter,twisted speech she made to Parliament- (What happened to Labour’s ‘relentless positivity’??)
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98745498/labour-mp-kiritapu-allan-says-theres-ugliness-in-the-shadows-but-she-has-real-hope-for-nzs-future
  
  And Jesus check out the scowl in the photo- Christ what a miserable individual!
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:36am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    You are an expert on ‘bitter, twisted speech’ knives, funny that.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:00am
  - kowtow
    
    As said previously , who did the whipping ? Very likely other Maoris. If indeed there was any whipping at all.
    Important to keep the message out there , victims ,victims, victims.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:45am
  - sam green
    
    What do you hate most Longknives? That she is Labour, a lesbian, Maori, a woman, a parent, a lawyer, an industry leader, successful, younger than you…… Etc?
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:53am
    - flipper
      
      Am I wrong in thinking this creature was working for yet another left-wing “abuse” organisation, and resigned to enter the Parliament?
      Like most of the socialist, money comes from the Xerox machine, idiots that now represent the Nation, a creature with no real world experience. But we are expected to regard it as an “Honourable Member”. Bullshit !
      
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      November 11, 2017 10:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na, she’s not an Honourable.
        
        https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/new-zealand-royal-honours/new-zealand-royal-honours-system/types-new-zealand-royal-honours/the-honourable/roll-of-the-honourables
        
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        November 11, 2017 10:35am
      - sam green
        
        “Creature”? “it”?
        
        Allan was working for Te Tumu Paeroa. Also took a strong leadership role in the Maori Growers Forum in the kiwifruit industry (voluntarily), positively addressing issues of Maori economic development.
        
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        November 11, 2017 10:50am
      - flipper
        
        Hey Maggy …..
        Just caught up with your observation….
        But…
        One member is supposed to refer to another Member as an “Honourable Member”. “The Hon.” refers to Ministers.
        
        Nitpicking I know, but there are no more than a handful of MPs (and I exclude my own who I regard as a lazy, Wellington-bound S O B ) that I regard as an “Honourable Member”
        
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        November 11, 2017 2:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @flipper
        
        The MPs may have to refer to each other as Honourable in the House…
        but we the Joe-Public DON’T have to.
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:02pm
    - softail 1450
      
      gangrene ,,nice list there ,have you been thinking ?
      
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      November 11, 2017 11:26am
- holysheet
  
  They say turkey basters are in short supply running up to xmas. If you know a friendly lesbian, ask to borrow hers.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:40am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry softail, but I’m in the same age group as you, but in this day and age, there is a scientific technique called IVF.
  
  This is open to all couples, the important question for us is, who paid for it, if they are young enough the taxpayer did, if not they would have gone private.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:55am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    The important question is why are these adults allowed to deliberately deny a child a father?
    
    That is child abuse.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Technically/biologically, there is a father.
      
      The sperm cell came from a male.
      
      Loads of kids grow up without ever seeing/knowing their daddy.
      
      And we don’t know whether or not Ms Allan has or intends having contact/a relationship with the child’s father and –
      It’s none of our business.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:29am
      - Jigsaw
        
        ‘It takes a village to raise a child’ or ‘it’s none of your business’ – which is it?
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:20am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Loads of kids grow up without ever seeing/knowing their daddy.
        
        Yes, and as I am now over 65 and still work, I have to pay for the bastard children.
        Sorry, it is my business – Taxinder says so by no Super increase and no Tax breaks whilst I still work.
        You know dam well where Ms Allan is coming from.
        That is all
        
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        November 11, 2017 4:14pm
    - wiseowl
      
      Right Jazz.
      And the fact that the ‘fertility clinic’ is looking for male donors and the biggest demand is from single females is a major concern.
      Should this be allowed in the first place?
      If you watch the lost and found program you can see the huge effect not knowing who a father is , can have on people later in life.
      It is child abuse and in the future there will be big problems around this issue.
      
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      November 11, 2017 11:18am
    - lifesgood
      
      Totally agree. Look at the poor little fellow who leads the greens, yep, two mums. I bet in years to come there will be claims made by these children against society and their mothers. It will be another massive money hole for society to deal with.
      
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      November 11, 2017 12:30pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Children raised without a father suffer immensely. Especially so for boys.
  
  Imagine not having a father figure model as a child?!
  
  To deliberately inflict that on an innocent child puts you in the same group as pedos and child beaters.
  
  Of course (((Sociologists))) of whom large numbers openly boast of their (((Marxist))) credentials pump out propaganda trashing natural heterosexual relationships and promoting their pet “oppressed” homosexual lifestylers.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:17am
  - G152
    
    Such boys go on to join the greens
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:44am
  - tf78
    
    James Shaw to me is an example of someone who could have done with a father figure. He seems like he was smothered by women and doesn’t know how to be a bloke. He didn’t want to stand up to MeTu, I think, because of his upbringing and not daring to offend women. It’s a shame as he seems like a nice person but lacks that manly ego which to me is a necessary thing in today’s world of “women power”.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:51am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      ” he seems like a nice person”
      
      Nice guys never get the hot girls.
      
      Nice guys never get respect from men.
      
      Take a look at Trump.
      
      Trump has never had anything less than an 8 hanging off his arm, and the current hottie rates a 10. And there are a whole lot of more 8 – 10s who would jump at the chance to be with Trump.
      
      And that drives the Hillary feminisnt shrews INSANE with rage. Take a look at the most vocal anti Trump females – ugly liberal Jewish fatties like Lena Durham. Or one of those Hollywood skanks who agreed to watch an influential Joo masturbate in the shower because it would open doors to fame and wealth.
      
      Men respect Trump, take a look at his Asia trip.
      
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      November 11, 2017 11:20am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    And then the Father gets separated and divorced, manages to hold down a job, pay the mortgage and 2nd at 22%, and still has 2 kids with him – 4 and 7.
    I fought and I won. The kids missed out on Mother figure for 3 years. Yes the social wankers tried to put me under – they lost the battle as well.
    I won.
    ffs I am just like D4J
    
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    November 11, 2017 4:24pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes J Think James Shaw.
    
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    November 11, 2017 6:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At least 30 ways to make a baby…
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/baby/18ways.html
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:59am
- Kimbo
  
  @ softail 1450
  
  a lesbian that was recently married her partner ,here’s the thing ,where did the baby come from FFS..?
  
  Turkey baster with some donated baby batter? 😉
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:47am
  - lifesgood
    
    It’s not only lesbians. So many women these days are picky about a life partner and end up 40, unmarried and childless. They then resort to either “the act” with a man they know or a turkey baster. To my mind it is simply prostitution, they are being paid in sperm, not money, no love or committment involved and the child remains fatherless. It is immoral, and not because of the sex, because deliberately bringing a fatherless child into the world is immoral.
    
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    November 11, 2017 1:25pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      We all know someone who is childless and 37.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMVscR5YOo
      
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      November 11, 2017 4:28pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Better than being clueless and whatever age you are.
        
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        November 11, 2017 4:29pm
- Fletch
  
  When lesbian or gay couples have babies it always means a third party is involved – the baby’s natural parent. I’m not saying that adoption is bad in general – it is preferable to abortion – but purposely organizing for a baby to be born, only to be separated from its natural parent so that you can play house with your same-sex partner isn’t right. One only has to look at Anika Moa and her first “wife” who had a baby where Anika’s brother was the sperm donor. Something very wrong with that. Oh, and Anika separated from her and is with another woman now.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11168868
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:15pm
  - Kimbo
    
    “I fell in love instantly and that was it. I knew I was going to be with her for the rest of my life. I’ve never loved someone as much as I love her. I idolise her,” Moa said.
    
    Irrespective of whether they are straight, gay or lesbian, whenever one reads words like that it’s almost like you can hear the captain of the Titanic ordering “full steam ahead – and more ice for my whisky!” 😉
    
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    November 11, 2017 12:57pm
    - Fletch
      
      If all the moa were same-sex, it explains why they are now extinct 😉
      
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      November 11, 2017 1:52pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Ha!! clever – and you win the Internet for 1 day
        
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        November 11, 2017 4:30pm
      - sooty
        
        Yep! They were all Morrisons!
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:18pm
- namron
  
  Prior to the election, the Gisborne Herald reported that kiri allan had sent an apology for her non-attendance at an election meeting when jacinda ardern visited Gisborne because her “wife had just had a baby in Whakatane and kiri had gone to support her”.
  Must have been another “immaculate conception”!!!
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:52pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    You are new here, but the “immaculate conception” is closer than you think. With the gender change bullshit and science it will not be long before women/males/suedo males/suedo females/ non gender; will be able to make themselves pregnant. The Government will pay of course (NET TAXPAYERS)
    
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    November 11, 2017 4:38pm
  - Piniwi
    
    It just keeps getting worse namron. If what you say is correct she is bringing a baby to the house but not her baby?
    
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    November 11, 2017 6:51pm
- Piniwi
  
  Ah softail1450 that explains a lot. A native lesbian with a baby in the House is just a trophy or for display purpose only.
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:41pm
  - sam green
    
    Are you from 1870?
    
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    November 11, 2017 7:14pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Turkey baster is one way of going about it. Not sure if one is required to stand on ones head to maximise egg meets sperm moment. The other ways could either be the real deal or IVF. These dykes want everything …
  I prefer the normal way with real man…
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:50pm
Manolo

Global warming hits the northern hemisphere:
http://mashable.com/2017/11/09/arctic-blast-brings-frigid-temperatures-for-millions-in-us/#aJXvwKEE1aqp

This Arctic blast means business. The frigid air mass first entered the lower 48 states on Wednesday, and on Thursday morning, air temperatures were in the single digits Fahrenheit in Minnesota, and below zero Fahrenheit in North Dakota.
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November 11, 2017 8:20am
Inandout

Oh, Cindy Bindy, you bloody hypocrite.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11784326
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November 11, 2017 8:21am
- holysheet
  
  If it feelz like a lesbian, looks like a lesbian, then maybe it is a lesbian. Remember the photo with the strapon she forgot to remove?
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:42am
  - sam green
    
    In your dreams ….
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:55am
Jack5

Another case that typifies why so many Brits want out of the EC:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5069669/Violent-Somali-criminal-wins-80-000-detention-payout.html
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November 11, 2017 8:50am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Unfortunately Brexit won’t stop the Globohomo organised flood of dark mystery meat.
  
  Anyway London has already fallen, minority white now.
  
  The Cold Race War is going to turn hot soon.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:06am
  - Jack5
    
    ? Give my regards to the puppeteer, Jazz.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:14am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      You need to be deported to the 3rd World dump of your choice, no more hanging out in white majority countries for you, globohomo.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:23am
      - Jack5
        
        ?? Just hold your tongue, Jazz, and pass the message to the string puller.
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:26am
  - realityczech
    
    “dark mystery meat.”
    
    You need to forgive yourself Jazzy. It is normal to experiment and you probably has a lot to drink.
    
    Did he tell you he loved you ?
    
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    November 11, 2017 3:36pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  New Zealand has a dire shortage of secondary school teachers with top quality mathematics and science qualifications. Many teachers with those skills, so much in demand, will have read the cited news piece in their morning’s newspaper.
  So, pray tell me, why do we make those eminently suitable possible immigrants jump through rings of burning fire to get to our country, but liquor store proprietors and fast food vendors from the sub-continent are welcomed with open arms.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Tauhei, great point. There will be superb maths teachers in China who would love to get to New Zealand, but have nowhere near the cash to qualify as investor grade. Russia, too, has great maths folk (tens of thousands have migrated to Israel, intellectually fuelling its now booming technology industry.)
    
    The best maths lecturer I encountered at university way back in the day was a Chinese guy whose English pronunciation was so bad he had to write everything he said on the board, but he got excellent results.
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:22am
    - Notsofast
      
      Give a man a fish (crooked chinese capital) feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish (honest chinese maths teacher) feed him for life.
      Great post Tauhei Notts!
      
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      November 11, 2017 11:59am
    - realityczech
      
      (tens of thousands have migrated to Israel, intellectually fuelling its now booming technology industry.)
      
      So why is Israel the biggest recipient of US foreign aid in the world ?
      
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      November 11, 2017 3:39pm
  - Longknives
    
    Who do you like at Flemington today Tauhei?
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:51am
    - tf78
      
      So Si Bon and Samovar.
      
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      November 11, 2017 9:55am
      - wiseowl
        
        Shamkiyr
        Tosen Stardom
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:05am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      There is no way I could match your great Cup tip. Those place odds were juicy. I would dearly love to see Gingernuts be so spicy, but I have my doubts about him. I am still in awe of his Avondale Guineas win; at the 800 metre mark he couldn’t keep up with the second last horse; then HE WON! I’ll pay a fleeting visit to Te Rapa to see Karisto. I had seen him trial at Te Aroha in January in behind Summer Passage and Ujjayyi and was told, by a good judge, that he had group status written all over him.
      In short, go Karisto if you can better than 5 to 2 about him.
      For those of you who have little knowledge of “The Turf”, I apologise for boring you.
      
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      November 11, 2017 10:27am
      - Longknives
        
        Don’t apologise Tauhei- I’m sure those who aren’t interested can use the scroll bar!
        Cheers for the tip- $4 fixed right now
        
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        November 11, 2017 10:32am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Still more interesting than Penny or Hugh’s postings! ?
        
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        November 11, 2017 11:25am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        He only came third, which was better than that horse in Aussie that would have got Nasska’s money as its name is a piss take on Nasska’s favourite subject. A horse called “Howard Be Thy Name”
        
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        November 11, 2017 4:47pm
Jack5

What Australia risks getting in its swap of detained border crashing boat invaders with America’s own illegal immigrants from Central America – thugs like members of the notorious M-13.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/10/murder-charge-in-vicious-killing-linked-to-violent-ms-13-gang-report-says.html

What is M-13:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13
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November 11, 2017 9:12am
- realityczech
  
  ” border crashing boat invaders ”
  
  In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security
  
  the SS Drottningholm set sail carrying hundreds of desperate Jewish refugees, en route to New York City from Sweden.
  Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/#IpfSdcoTgZlFEgam.99
  
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  November 11, 2017 5:02pm
Yvette

Winston’s leak
”To issue proceedings,” the application says, “he [Winston Peters] requires access to the document trail developed by the conduct of the intended defendant’s aforesaid conduct”.

So Peters can claim someone has leaked his private information and then have lawyers look for any ‘evidence’, demanding that people who Peters thinks may have had access, supply ‘evidence’ ranging “from journalists’ notes, phone records, emails and other communications to ministers’ documents and phone and meeting records.”

And can those documents include all the National notes that may exist on their coalition negotiation meetings on Peters, but not with Peters? Just how extensive is Winston’s post-election fishing trip?

And who decides – the lawyers? Or can a named person, in response, say “I have checked all my texts and none mention Winston – I have nothing for you.” How does that work?

“He then fingers Joyce as having been “overheard” at a National Party conference claiming there was the “full load” story coming out about Peters.”

So what happens in regard to that? Will Joyce be asked to supply a list of all the people who may have overheard him?

And at least one report says the most likely culprit is number nine on Winston’s list.
So how can Peters’ lawyer legally conduct the fishing exercise on the first eight, and since it is likely that only one person is guilty of the so-called leak, the first eight are most likely innocent by Peters’ reckoning.
But all have been named publicly, so another question is: Has Peters smeared the reputation of those who are not guilty, if the case is resolved to show that, and can they then sue Peters for being unnecessarily and detrimentarily dragged through the media by him?

reference – https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/11/07/58644/winston-goes-fishing
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November 11, 2017 9:17am
- niggly
  
  The Newsroom article reads like Peters/lawyers fishing expedition is somewhat of a farce – no real proof, just innuendo and hearsay cobbled together to form a narrative.
  
  If that turns out to be the case then those who were pushing this narrative will be left with some explaining to do!
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:20am
  - flipper
    
    Newsroom is garbage , but I defend their right to be garbage if they so choose.
    The connexions between many of those playing for the great lying “No” ‘s team are remarkable.
    Is Henry the source of the inspired leak via Whale?
    Did Whale tell Sober?
    Did Henry tell Sober?
    It is all too cute. And it denigrates the High Court.
    But what else should we expect from “Mr NO” ?
    
    Dementia ????
    Naah …. not possible, is it ???
    But hang on. “Mr No” negotiated in “good faith” with those now being sued.
    He must have forgotten ……………
    
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    November 11, 2017 10:37am
    - niggly
      
      About those remarkable connections you mention.
      
      Both WO and Soper have been consistent in their narratives by sheeting the blame directly to National (despite offering no actual proof, apart from “trust us, we know”).
      
      So is Winston’s team feeding these two? If so it would make good sense to have one respected MSM journalist (and one well known media blogger) to deal with.
      
      Or is it a case of Winston’s team feeding only one of these gentlemen (and that person feeding the other)?
      
      Who knows, but it is on the public record in various places that the WO site is paid or quid pro quo to write pieces (but I can’t imagine the same i.e. for the respected journalist being paid, as that is against journalism ethics and Soper has integrity). So at the end of the day people are being led up the garden path by one means or another.
      
      Interesting also in the Newsroom article that Winston’s team publically acknowedges Soper’s good reputation (but no mention of WO). Would Winston’s team have said that on the record if they were always “leaking” info to Soper? If not does it suggest WO is actually in the thick of it but at arms length (e.g. giving plausible deniability)?
      
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      November 11, 2017 12:47pm
Keeping Stock

Great stuff; Trump is ready to go where Obama wouldn’t, and take on the world’s biggest cult. Tom Cruise will be fuming…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/10/trump-reportedly-supports-revoking-church-scientologys-tax-exempt-status.html
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November 11, 2017 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  About bloody time. The ‘church’ used to be well known for throwing lawsuits around (Winston-like) if anyone disagreed with them. They rely on wealthy sycophants to survive, and Hollywood has its share of those.
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Maybe Winston Peters is the new L. Ron Hubbard…
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think there will be an avalanche of sex abuse allegations on the way, too.
  http://nationalpost.com/entertainment/celebrity/church-of-scientology-accused-of-covering-up-sexual-assault-allegations-against-that-70s-shows-danny-masterson
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:12am
  - thedavincimode
    
    I think we’ve probably arrived at the point where we should be outing people who aren’t sex fiddlers. There seems to be less of them and it would free up space in the interweb.
    
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    November 11, 2017 11:43am
- realityczech
  
  “take on the world’s biggest cult.”
  
  The Catholics ?
  
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  November 11, 2017 3:40pm
Hugh Pavletich

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Low and light metros that are affordable and mobile are essential for earthquake – prone New Zealand

Did the November 14 earthquake shake Wellingtonians’ faith in city apartments? | Nikki MacDonald | Fairfax / Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/98364002/did-the-november-14-earthquake-shake-wellingtonians-faith-in-city-apartments

When the shaking stopped, Bede Dwyer expected to look down on to a city of felled buildings and mass casualties.

He got up from the popped slats of his bed, walked past his smashed television set and crockery – past the microwave that had been thrown out of the wall – and down the stairwell, with its dandruff of plaster and concrete chips.

“I thought it was going to collapse up there, for sure, it felt that violent … I thought lots of people would have died and buildings and houses would have been completely levelled. So I was really surprised when I went outside – that everything was relatively fine.” … read more via hyperlink above …

… What lessons have been learned too from the Greater Christchurch events … older and denser central Christchurch on the one hand … and newer low and light Rolleston on the other ? …

… June 2011 I wrote …

OPINION: Hugh Pavletich accuses Christchurch City Council of blindness, blunders and chain dragging; calls for effective leadership, ‘open land’ policy and bendy zoning. Your view? | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53947/opinion-hugh-pavletich-accuses-christchurch-city-council-blindness-blunders-and-chain-

… and a year later …

Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm

… Where is the political leadership to make our cities safer and more resilient ? …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Above posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/links-11-12-november-2017/#comment-2995816 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/speech-throne-pledges-widespread-nz-housing-reform/#comment-2995820
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:02am
Digmen1

It just reminds me of why I have disliked Winston for the last 20 or 30 years.

He is so smug and arrogant and litigious
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November 11, 2017 9:45am
Brito

This chap has cheated on his tax return and is being deported back to China. Ok, no problem, he is an undesirable.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98764928/convicted-criminal-loses-appeal-against-deportation

The Somali chap who raped a woman in Kenya, sexually assaulted women in NZ and finally raped one of our citizens can stay.

Can somebody please explain to me just how this works?
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November 11, 2017 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  It is named Islam, opens many doors.
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:13am
- kowtow
  
  Wangs wife suffered from epilepsy , how was that family cleared to emigrate to San Sealand in the first place?
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  I don’t believe he was in gaol in Kenya . The gubmint here tell us the “refugees” we accept are all carefully vetted.
  
  Someone is telling porkies……..
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:21am
- holysheet
  
  It’s all about the feelz. The black paedophile follower knows if he shows the right feelz to the suckers in immigration and justice depts, he will get what he wants.
  Remember Liabore don’t want any more slitty eyes, chinky sounding named people here, so they will not be doing anything.
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:39am
- G152
  
  Or the obese Kraut…
  What does he have on them?
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:10pm
kowtow

Demographics is destiny.

“He, his wife and eight children have been in the city for six months and live in an apartment in Northeast Valley.”

“The Kurdish family originally lived near the city of Aleppo in Syria, but fled to Lebanon five years ago as the war was beginning.”

“The new Labour Government has pledged to double the refugee quota from 750 to 1500 in stages, but has not indicated which cities will take them.”

Housing crisis? Can’t be if we have room for these.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/hard-we-have-security-here
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November 11, 2017 10:04am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  ” but has not indicated which cities will take them.”
  
  Part and parcel of the Globohomo efforts to replace white populations with a 3rd World mix of goop.
  
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  November 11, 2017 11:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

Funny old world…

Greens and Labour rather keen on getting Jesus out of the Parliamentary prayer… but more than happy to have the Pope on board with their Climate change policy.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98700485/ministers-meet-with-pope-to-discuss-climate-change-in-the-pacific

(personal disclaimer…. I’d ditch the Prayer and the CC policy)
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November 11, 2017 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  The Pope should refuse to meet the Green . Greens are abortionists . As is this Labour party .
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:16am
  - SGA
    
    Do any parties in parliament have an overt anti-abortion stance, kowtow? Not sure that any do, do they?
    
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    November 11, 2017 12:40pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      No, there are no anti-abortion parties in Parliament. For kowtow to be consistent, he would have to demand that the Pope not meet any of them. But, and being as polite as I can, I don’t think consistency or accuracy was on kowtow’s agenda.
      
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      November 11, 2017 12:45pm
    - kowtow
      
      Jaxie’s is a pro abortion party and Greens have long been.
      
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      November 11, 2017 2:56pm
- Longknives
  
  Agreed Maggy- I’d hate to call this Labour/Green Government hypocrites but surely James Shaw would refuse to meet with the Pope? (Seeing as this Labour/Green Government openly detests Christianity)
  Not to mention the ‘Carbon Footprint’ of Long-Haul Air Travel!
  *And I assume he won’t be travelling Business Class with all those Rich Pricks?
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:28am
  - Morrissey
    
    Since he is a member of parliament, James Shaw has to interact and deal with obnoxious, dishonest people like Bill English, Gerry Brownlee, Steven Joyce, Winston Peters, etc. every day.
    
    If he deals with them, why shouldn’t he meet the Pope?
    
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    November 11, 2017 3:51pm
- SGA
  
  Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Greens and Labour rather keen on getting Jesus out of the Parliamentary prayer… but more than happy to have the Pope on board with their Climate change policy.
  
  and if they were happy to have the Dalai Lama on board with their Climate change policy, would it say anything about their position on Buddhism?
  Anyway, I’m not sure I see the problem – Popes have long worn a variety of hats, haven’t they?
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:20pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ Maggy
  
  They are meeting the Pope in his role as a world leader. I don’t think that’s an indication of their views on Christianity, assuming they all share the same view, which seems unlikely to me. Their are Christians in both the Labour and Green parties. Not mentioning Jesus in the Parliamentary prayer is not a statement against Christianity, but a recognition of where much of the country is now.
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:25pm
  - kowtow
    
    “Not mentioning Jesus in the Parliamentary prayer is not a statement against Christianity, ”
    
    Bollocks.
    
    Oh I see , now that the Great Satan in the Vatican is a warmist loon , he’s suddenly no longer a child rapist protector but the next best thing to sliced bread and a world leader. A wee while ago it would have been “Tell the wizard to fuck off and tend to spiritual matters” , but he’s become a useful idiot of the left agenda for illegal immigration and warmism so he’s one of the good guys.
    
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    November 11, 2017 2:52pm
EAD_TWO

Given it’s a hundred years since the Communist revolution, does anyone know why people one would imagine would be called “right wingers” (Jacob Schiff & Paul Warburg) bankroll the “Bolshevik” takeover of Russia?

Schiff & Warburg were New York Based I international bankers so why would they fund these “lefties” with their new Russian surnames? What did they have in common?
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November 11, 2017 10:05am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Why, ever since the French Revolution, have the MSM pushed a narrative that White people should classify themselves as “left” or “right” and that we need to vote for one of the teams that purportedly represent this fungible term?
  
  This contrasts with everything vibrants are told in that they must identify solely by their tribe rather than one of the meaningless and fungible words?
  
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  November 11, 2017 10:12am
  - Jack5
    
    You’ve got a helluva narrow view, EAD, even for a Nazi.
    
    1. It was Germany that helped enable the Bolshevik revolution by shipping Lenin and cohorts back through the battle lines to St Petersburg. The British, French, Americans, Czechs, and, I think the Japanese, sent troops to try to put down the Bolshevik revolution that Germany enabled. Germany successfully closed the World War 1 Eastern Front by shipping Lenin home.
    
    2. Left and Right occurred because one group of new representatives early in the French Revolution repeatedly clustered at one side of the meeting venue, and their opponents at the other.
    
    Your problem is that the Nazis were socialist – heavily into State power. The industrialists would have found their necks on the block if it had not been for the war defeat.
    
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    November 11, 2017 12:16pm
kowtow

Wilkommen.

“It was important to him to kill as many German nationals of the Christian faith as possible. He wanted his actions to be viewed in the context of an Islamist attack, and understood as a contribution to jihad worldwide,” they added…….

…….Like Amri, Ahmad A. was to have been deported after his asylum application was rejected by authorities, but the process was held up by a lack of identity documents.”

Who lets them in? Who lets them stay.

https://www.thelocal.de/20171110/palestinian-asylum-seeker-charged-with-murder-after-deadly-hamburg-knife-attack
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November 11, 2017 10:10am
big bruv

Has anybody else noticed that Comrade Gower has not only drunk the Kool-Aid but has fucking near drowned in the stuff such is his gushing praise for Taxinda?

Gower must be auditioning for a job as Labour party press secretary.
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November 11, 2017 10:24am
flipper

Yeaaah…..
Brer Gower formally announces his relationship with Brer Jaccinde ………
Both out of Toothfairy ??????
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November 11, 2017 10:45am
- G152
  
  A face suited to radio
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:12pm
Morrissey

Why Florida voted for that moron Trump

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/06/a-deadly-brain-invading-worm-is-disturbingly-widespread-in-florida/#_ga=2.60261989.952622132.1510341211-1816578556.1509773903
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November 11, 2017 11:00am
- Inandout
  
  Poor Hillary, failing mind and health.
  
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  November 11, 2017 11:19am
- BananaLlama
  
  Is Hillary a Mind Worm?
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:48pm
- flipper
  
  The f***wits in and around Fraser House would be proud of you. Idiot!
  
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  November 11, 2017 2:48pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Justin Trudeau helped out Socialist Cindy by torpedoing the TPP.
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November 11, 2017 11:43am
- Digmen1
  
  So we need to sign up the TPP iii with 10 members and say to Canada, you were rude for not turning up.
  
  If they want to join later, they can – just sign the deal.
  
  If I remember correctly Canada were one of the last to join the TPP negotiations.
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:16pm
SPLOOGE

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I wonder how Simon English is getting on.
It must have been absolutely gut wrenching to have thought he had won (when clearly he hadn’t because you need over 50%) and to have realised that being a smart arse had back fired bigly on him.
Ohh well. Jacinda is a breath of fresh air and we needed that in NZ after 9 years of the same old lies, obfuscations and deceit.
God bless Winston.
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November 11, 2017 11:56am
- Jack5
  
  Gidday Splooge! ⚓ Finished swabbing the deck already?
  
  I suppose you have put off cleaning the ?BIG Audi ? until tomorrow?
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:24pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Bahahaaa. No Jackoff.
    I’m in North Queensland.
    Just polished of breakfast and off again to seek further adventure.
    I imagine you’re still sitting in your piss stained pyjamas in your fetid abode wondering where your shitty life went so wrong.
    I can tell you.It all started to go wrong that fateful night when the john broke the condom then it was all downhill from there.
    
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    November 11, 2017 12:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      Splooge, I bet ten thousand to one that you are in some queen’s lounge, not in Queensland.
      
      Where-ever you are, did you bring your toy ⛵ plastic boat ⛵ with you to put in the bath?
      
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      November 11, 2017 1:01pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        You’d lose. And the reason you’d lose is not only am I here but you are a loser. A pitiful loser.
        Anyway, no need for such jealousy Jackoff. If you had made better life choices then you could also be having fun. You pathetic piece of crap…bahahaahaaa
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:42pm
    - starboard
      
      All aboard HMS Splooge.
      Seamen Staines and Master Baits reporting for duty. All hands on dick!
      
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      November 11, 2017 4:24pm
      - Brito
        
        Starboard that’s hateful and mean. I worked with Stains and Baits back in the day. Useful blokes unlike the SPLOOOOGE!
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:37pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Ohh dear. The desperation is real.
        You idiots need to up your game.
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:46pm
- Brito
  
  No she isn’t!
  
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  November 11, 2017 12:40pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Yeah she is.
    
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    November 11, 2017 12:43pm
    - Brito
      
      Oh no she isn’t.
      
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      November 11, 2017 4:04pm
Fletch

Why does it feel like we have a schoolgirl in charge of the country who hasn’t learned anything since the 5th form? That’s what is feels like to me: she has the intelligence of a 5th former.
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November 11, 2017 12:19pm
- Digmen1
  
  Don’t insult our Fifth formers!
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:14pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  2nd year 5th. Yeah we had them back in 66. So fucking dumb, but smarter than the Teachers
  
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  November 11, 2017 4:43pm
Doubledimp

Who remembers Labours approach to housing when National was in government? “Say ‘Crisis’, say ‘housing crisis’, why won’t you say ‘crisis’?”

Fast forward a year from now, it will be National going “say ‘crash’, say ‘housing crash’, why won’t you say ‘crash’?”
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November 11, 2017 12:38pm
- Harriet
  
  Because that’s what children do. 😎
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Stop it, you will make the retards bark at the sky
  
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  November 11, 2017 4:45pm
Jack5

This is why Sweden is stuffed. And NZ’s Melon Greens want to bring in thousands of Muslim refugees!

Middle Easterners seize Swedish radio station and play 30 minutes of pro-ISIL propaganda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/10/islamic-state-supporters-hijack-swedish-radio-play-30-minutes/
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November 11, 2017 12:39pm
realityczech

thousands of Muslim refugees

Jacksie Will they bring “erotic goats” for our Rabbis and stop their women dressing like sluts, so as not to upset our precious Jews ?

My Jewish Learning

Why most Orthodox women cover their hair, whether with wigs, hats or scarves.

From this, the Talmud (Ketuboth 72) concludes that under normal circumstances hair covering is a biblical requirement for women.

Elsewhere in the Talmud (Berakhot 24a), the rabbis define hair as sexually erotic (ervah) and prohibit men from praying in sight of a woman’s hair. The rabbis base this estimation on a biblical verse: “Your hair is like a flock of goats”
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hair-coverings-for-married-women/
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November 11, 2017 12:54pm
- Jack5
  
  [ENTER LEFT, the other puppet, ☪ realityczech]
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    You seem a bit off today Jack5. Hit the Shabbat piss up a bit hard again last night ? Don’t turn up for patrol reeking of booze !
    
    Do you agree with the learned Rabbi about the erotic nature of flocks of goats and the general sluttyness of women ?
    
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    November 11, 2017 1:19pm
    - Harriet
      
      Your mum one?
      
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      November 11, 2017 1:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Your mum one?”
        
        A flock of goats, or a Rabbi ?
        
        I am actually all for restricting Muslim immigration. While I have an open door policy for Jews.
        
        However Jacksie is an outright religious bigot and hatemonger.
        
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        November 11, 2017 1:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        ? Current NZ tramper song:
        
        There were nine drunk Keas posting blogs on line,
        Nine drunk Keas posting blogs on line.
        If one Kea penname should accidentally fail, there’ll be
        Eight drunk Keas posting blogs on line.
        
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        November 11, 2017 1:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie, focus on patrolling the olive groves looking for old women sneaking back onto the land their family farmed for centuries. You know what those unchosen ones are like !
        
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        November 11, 2017 2:04pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        RC, I don’t like the way women are treated by Jewish Orthodoxy either, but here is the difference: Islamists really do want the entire world to believe in Islam or at least submit to it. Orthodox Jews just want to be left alone.
        
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        November 11, 2017 3:56pm
      - realityczech
        
        Classic that is only because they believe gentiles are lessor people. Not because of respect for others. They believe that is Gods wish. They are no less extreme.
        
        Give Muslims all that Jews now have and you won’t see any suicide bombings or other overt extremism.
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:33pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Give Muslims all that Jews now have and you won’t see any suicide bombings or other overt extremism.
        
        Yes we would. Islam, like Christianity, is an imperialist religion that has as it’s core mission the bringing of the whole world under their version of the kingdom of their god. Combined with the view that they, and they alone, have the one truth, and religious violence is inevitable.
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Ah the Jews have taught you well.
        
        The same Jews who predominate in the USA, global Banking and politics, social media etc. But its dirt poor Muslim goat herders who you reckon are taking over . LOL 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:43pm
backster

Don Trump was only over there for a couple of days and he is taking home a quarter of a trillion dollars of Trade Benefits from his deal with China. I wonder how much Taxcinda and Winston will be bring home.
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November 11, 2017 12:59pm
- Harriet
  
  a little desk statue of Mao. Gillard got one. 😎
  
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  November 11, 2017 1:28pm
- niggly
  
  Well nevermind billions of export dollars now that TPPA failed, NZ is taking home a very worthy consolation prize …. a picture of Jacinda!
  
  Either the Vietnamese are very astute in recognising a future “Comrade” leader (maybe from watching a certain YouTube clip or something 😉 ) , of which this portrait will be worthy of inclusion in any fine Socialist’s Gallery (probably the one in Fraser House), or perhaps the Vietnamese researched a bit of NZ’s history and realised native NZ’ers can be bought rather cheaply but didn’t have any wet blankets on hand (as they had just given their last one to Justin Trudeau)! 😉
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98782846/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-surprise-gift-from-vietnam
  
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  November 11, 2017 2:24pm
- niggly
  
  Breaking news – RNZAF VIP Boeing 757 successfully returned to NZ from Vietnam on only one working engine!
  
  Upon closer inspection by the RNZAF ground crews at Whenuapai it was revealed one engine had been exchanged with a hollow substitute and inside were dozens of bottles of the finest scotch malt whisky and Russian vodka.
  
  The new Defence Minister (former SAS commando) arrived to take charge, and it was noted he was accompanied by a well dressed Gentleman in a pin striped suit who could be seen in the back seat of the VIP tinted window Humvee, ordered the ground crews to stand down and to do 30 minutes of face down press-ups whilst the Minister temporarily took charge of “off-loading the situation”!
  
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  November 11, 2017 2:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Teach your daughters to ~~bullshit~~ blag.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11943029

Some good advice in the Herald.
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November 11, 2017 2:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Very good advice for the army of narcissistic bimbos we are raising. They need to get over themselves and grow a brain.
  
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  November 11, 2017 3:34pm
  - Viking2
    
    Need bigger families. That sorts it.
    
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    November 11, 2017 5:24pm
    - realityczech
      
      They don’t want kids now until they are approaching 40 and their looks are fading. They spend their best years rooting around and playing the party girl. Worn out old come-buckets won’t save us.
      
      Decent women are shamed for having kids younger and starting a real family.
      
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      November 11, 2017 5:28pm
      - Brito
        
        Jesus rc…I’m sitting here nodding my head going, yes, this guy is right. Where has this new and improved version been hiding? Well spoke my son!!!
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:42pm
Harriet

Hi! – I’m from the Qlueless Qlux Qlan and are responsible for most of the public lynchings of gays!

This is the sort of crime that the gays in aussie have been accusing ‘No’ supporters of. Immature.

No gays you are not being killed or punished at the hands of heterosexuals — and you never really have been have you? 😎
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November 11, 2017 2:45pm
- sam green
  
  Are you really gay Harriet? I did wonder – what with the name and all.
  
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  November 11, 2017 3:18pm
  - nasska
    
    A pre-op crossdresser Sam. Spends Saturdays in spandex bras & fishnet stockings giving away blow jobs. 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 4:20pm
    - starboard
      
      ..and free felching..dont forget the free felching.
      
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      November 11, 2017 6:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No gays you are not being killed or punished at the hands of heterosexuals — and you never really have been have you?
  
  Not true, Harriet
  
  Consider the killing of one of my daughter’s schoolmates
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jeff_Whittington
  
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  November 11, 2017 3:33pm
  - nasska
    
    Even 50 years ago there was an undercurrent of violence against homosexuals in Wellington Maggy. They often bought trouble by being unnecessarily flamboyant & as they had a reputation for carrying knives, when they got bashed they really got bashed.
    
    That said the boot was often on the other foot. One night I & a couple of mates started a bit of trouble in Carmen’s “Balcony”. We were well built & fit but we hit the footpath inside a minute.
    
    My missus to be was our sober driver & she dined out on the way we got “man”handled. 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 4:33pm
    - realityczech
      
      nasska, cool story. Were you hitting on his boyfriend ?
      
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      November 11, 2017 5:30pm
      - Harriet
        
        “….We were well built & fit but we hit the footpath inside a minute….”
        
        Fuck you sound gay Nasska – where your knees sore? 😎
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:42pm
      - nasska
        
        Trevor Rupe would have been going on 16 stone in those days & none of the staff would have weighed much less. God knows what his boyfriend must have looked like. 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 5:45pm
  - Harriet
    
    Maggy I wasn’t meaning all gays and I wasn’t being serious anyway – I was just having a go at the gays in aussie for holding us ‘culpable for gay suicides’ and fake news about gay hate crimes.
    
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    November 11, 2017 5:38pm
- treadingthemill
  
  No gays you are not being killed or punished at the hands of heterosexuals — and you never really have been have you?
  
  Persecution of Homosexuals in the Third Reich.
  
  https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261
  
  ISIS’s Persecution of Gay People
  
  https://www.counterextremism.com/content/isis-persecution-gay-people
  
  History of the death penalty for homosexuality in the UK, Australia, and the USA.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_for_homosexuality#Historical
  
  Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014
  
  Current regimes with the death penalty for homosexuality.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_for_homosexuality#Current_regimes_with_the_death_penalty
  
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  November 11, 2017 4:21pm
Digmen1

Canada got the meeting time wrong!

Dur!

Lets hope the sign it soon,
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November 11, 2017 3:57pm
Digmen1

Look like its going ahead.

I’d love to be a fly on Jan Kelsey’s wall!
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November 11, 2017 4:11pm
- Morrissey
  
  Jane Kelsey = renowned academic. Digmen = fly.
  
  That’s a pretty fair comparison of intellects.
  
  Well done, Digmen.
  
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  November 11, 2017 4:17pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The only thing that Jane Kelsey is renowned for is being massively wrong about pretty much everything she is asked to comment on. She is a go-to for the media because she is a credentialed apologist for marxist stupidity.
    
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    November 11, 2017 5:28pm
    - Digmen1
      
      The really annoying ting is that we are paying her to “teach” business at AUT!
      
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      November 11, 2017 6:07pm
Morrissey

This guy really makes one feel C.K.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41950043
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November 11, 2017 4:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Another Trump hater.
  
  http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/louis-c-k-rips-donald-trump-in-epic-email-the-guy-is-hitler-20160305
  
  Revenge is best served cold, Donald.
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:04pm
  - Morrissey
    
    He—like anyone with an IQ above room temperature—despises Trump, but his behaviour is very similar to the Fraudster-in-Chief’s.
    
    And they’re equally repellent to women, obviously.
    
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    November 12, 2017 8:18am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/98786739/labour-mp-priyanca-radhakrishnan-mugged-in-broad-daylight-in-auckland

Labour MP mugged…

She says she lost her phone, credit card and about $16. Odd: who would know they have $16 in their handbag? Not $15, not $20: $16. Hmmm.

Maybe she can ask Kelvin to pay her back.
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November 11, 2017 5:49pm
- Inandout
  
  And Police are looking for?
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:01pm
- Longknives
  
  Surely (if this actually happened) Ms Radhakrishnan would give a description of the Offender to the Police?
  Why run to the Media howling if you aren’t actually doing anything to help catch the Crim??
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:30pm
- sooty
  
  She had no loose change in her handbag.
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:45pm
Nostradamus

Penny wants to attend another overseas conference:

HELP!
From 14-16 November 2017 is the 6th Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference (APSACC).
…
However, I’ll need a financial hand to fly to Sydney, transport register, food etc. I’ve booked my Auckland/Sydney return flight & have till 3pm Thursday 9 November to pay for ticket.
Cost: $620
Conference Registration: $800 (NZ)
(I’ve requested the reduced cost of a student registration
$730 (Aust) instead of standard $2000 (Aust.)
Accommodation / food / Sydney transport / more data for phone / $500 should cover it.
Rounded up $2000
…
If you can help at this time, (and thanks again for those who have helped in the past ? please send me a Personal Message on Facebook and I’ll send you my bank account details?
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November 11, 2017 6:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Geez, that’s only 3 days away.
  
  Heck, I don’t think I can organise selling my bitcoins, shares and rentals in that time.
  
  I wonder if Penny could offer to do an opinion piece or two on the Conference for the NZ Herald/Washington Post/Kiwiblog in exchange for a few $$$$$.
  
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  November 11, 2017 6:18pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy Wassilieff:
    
    an opinion piece or two on the Conference for … Kiwiblog
    
    I hope Penny limits herself to comments, rather than guest posts, so that Kiwiblog readers can indicate their like/dislike in the usual way!
    
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    November 11, 2017 6:26pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”send me a Personal Message on Facebook and I’ll send you my bank account details”…..
      
      She never stops. Once a bludger, always a bludger.
      
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      November 11, 2017 6:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I thought of Johnboy when I read this:
        
        send me a Personal Message on Facebook
        
        Johnboy wouldn’t need any further encouragement to send Penny a sexy photo of himself in gumboots!
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:40pm
      - sooty
        
        Student discount! She must pushing 70yrs old!
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:48pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”a sexy photo of himself in gumboots!”…..
        
        In the interest of decorum do you think he should wear his underpants too? 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:49pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        It might not make much difference in the scheme of things. I seem to recall Johnboy telling us his underpants had a large hole in the middle that he hadn’t gotten around to repairing?
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:51pm
      - nasska
        
        That was the emergency drain in his incontinence diapers Nostra. 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 6:54pm
      - stigie
        
        Surely JB would have got some new grunts for when he’s entertaining the new Blossom after sending the easy going Flossie down the road..?
        
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        November 11, 2017 7:23pm
- Longknives
  
  How in the Blue Hell is Penny Bright a ‘Student’???
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:20pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Free tertiary for anyone’s first year, even Penny, courtesy of us taxpayers!
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:37pm
Digmen1

Don’t worry, Labour will soon be handing out free money so people won’t need to work or steal.
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November 11, 2017 6:10pm
Rachael Membery

Wow two weeks on the job and already been on a parliamentary trip to Bangladesh?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/98786739/labour-mp-priyanca-radhakrishnan-mugged-in-broad-daylight-in-auckland
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November 11, 2017 6:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Non-white + young + female = untouchable. There’s an avalanche of travel junkets in action, or planned. Just get your wallet out.
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:32pm
- Prince
  
  Fighting crime is ‘a priority for labour ‘ ?
  What a joke, cancel 3 strikes, close prisons.
  The lies never stop.
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:38pm
Johnboy

Jeeze you can get just so pissed when folk take your name in vain while you’re absent. 🙂
Just as well I’m bloody thick skinned!
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November 11, 2017 7:26pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  folk take your name in vain while you’re absent
  
  Sheesh – and here I was putting in a good word for you old chap! Even Splooge, with his 8-inch girth, has never claimed to have a hole in his underpants!
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:32pm
  - stigie
    
    I would keep Splurge away Nasska’s and JBs farms Nostra, he may get a taste of the animals that can never say no and won’t that fuck up his reputation !~
    
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    November 11, 2017 7:39pm
Johnboy

Anyway. What’s happened to Milkey?
I just had a quick flick thru GD and couldn’t see him there.
It can’t take that long to organise a fucking cats funeral surely! 🙂
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November 11, 2017 7:31pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  The English cricket team, particularly the bowlers, seem to be injury-prone in the run up to the Ashes series.
  
  Perhaps Mikenmild has an RSI injury?
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:51pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I told him he should change hands on a regular basis! 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:02pm
- realityczech
  
  He seems to have taken his time as a political prisoner rather badly.
  
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  November 11, 2017 7:53pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I find that hard to believe. Alf told me that Grant’s quite gentle on new recruits! 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:03pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      Good to know you’ve got inside contacts. Has Alf told you anything about Darren Hughes and his special Wellington edition of “The World’s Fastest Indian”?
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:11pm
    - stigie
      
      Poor ole Milky, not here to defend his anticipated rodgering..?
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:15pm
rightoverlabour

TPP The BBC has this statement on the TPP

“The bid to revive the TPP, which would have covered 40% of the global economy, was led by trade ministers from Japan, Australia and New Zealand.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41937285

So let’s look at Labour in the past on the TPP since now they were LEADING its revival.

http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_on_the_tppa

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bryce-edwards/news/article.cfm?a_id=767&objectid=11529770

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11498201

This current: https://itsourfuture.org.nz/

I could go but I think I have made my point.

So I would like to congratulate two faced Winston and Jacinda and David on Reviving the TPP. Not just signing it, but REVIVING it.
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November 11, 2017 7:45pm
Johnboy

Hey. I just won the $30m on powerball!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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November 11, 2017 8:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I love you Johnboy. I always have.
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:10pm
  - Johnboy
    
    What’s your rack like Maggy? 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Succulent
      https://freshmeatsrecipes.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/racks.jpg
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:17pm
      - stigie
        
        That nice gap in the middle is not big enough for JB Maggy..?
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:20pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I could eat you right up now Maggy. 🙂
        I’ll just wait for a little longer though to see if I can get some better offers from slightly younger chefs! 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        slightly younger chefs
        
        I’ve gone off you, JB.
        
        Go and join the almond milk latte set, then.
        
        Perhaps Go Vege could rustle you up some “lamb” chops
        http://www.veganappetite.com/2009/02/food-network-friday-pan-fried-lamb-chops-with-harissa.html
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:43pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I never meant to upset you Maggy. I’m still in love with the picture of your rack! 🙂
        It’s just that I was worried about this:
        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/31/women-marrying-younger-men-dying-earlier-research
        Perhaps we could reach a half way situation with an elderly chef and a much younger waitress? 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was really looking forward to cooking for you, Johnboy.
        
        But since I’ve discovered that you are still an OAP in Wainuiomata and an ageist, I feel I have had a lucky escape.
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:58pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’d never have wanted a relationship with a woman who only wanted me for my money anyway Maggy.
        It’s very difficult for us millionaires to find true love hence my preference for sheep who of course have no concept of money. 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d never have wanted a relationship with a woman who only wanted me for my money anyway
        For goodness sake, what is the point of your having million$ if it is not to secure a damn fine cook?
        
        “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife”—
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:13pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Well perhaps if you posted some more explicit pictures Maggy a chap could make a more informed decision? 🙂
        Perhaps some bare meat before it’s been prepared and seasoned for the oven? 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        How sweet of you, Maggie!
        I’m pretty useless in the kitchen but I’ll pass the recipe on to my daughter.
        She’s a keen vegequarian also. 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 9:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      I didn’t know Maggy is into BDSM!
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_(torture)
      
      Speaking of BDSM, where’s David Benson-Pope hanging out these days?
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:19pm
    - nasska
      
      It will be a match made in Heaven. 🙂
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:20pm
    - Johnboy
      
      It’s really dreadful how money brings out the worst in the downtickers! 🙂
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        Who’s going to tell Johnboy that gay marriage is compulsory now ?
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:25pm
      - stigie
        
        Who’s going to tell Blossom that her days are numbered !~
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:31pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Who’s going to tell Blossom…..”…..
        
        Love is fickle. The object of today’s lust is tomorrow’s smallgoods. 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:35pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Quite keen on a good big black pudding are you then nasska? 🙂
        
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        November 11, 2017 8:38pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I love you Johnboy. I always have”
    
    I found him first.
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:21pm
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      What’s your rack like rc? 🙂
      
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      November 11, 2017 8:39pm
Johnboy

It’s not easy to spark things up a bit tonight is it? 🙂
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November 11, 2017 8:34pm
Nostradamus

Greens announce contest to elect new co-leader in new year

Speculation has been rife, since the shock resignation of Metiria Turei, over her likely replacement. Close proximity to the election meant any moves to jostle into contention had been placed on the backburner. But among the most likely candidates was [Marama] Davidson, as well as Ministers and party veterans Julie Anne Genter and Eugenie Sage. Parliamentary Under-secretary and senior MP Jan Logie was also a likely contender.

What fun it’d be if they let everyone (not just Green Party members) vote on their replacement!
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November 11, 2017 8:46pm
- nasska
  
  Bring back Cath Delahunty! 🙂
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:51pm
  - Johnboy
    
    From the dead? 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 8:55pm
- Johnboy
  
  Oh. I’d vote for Julie Anne. I’d want to take her away for a camping trip to check out her suitability for stewardship of our wild resources first of course! 🙂
  
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  November 11, 2017 8:54pm
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    Johnboy:
    
    I’d want to take her away for a camping trip
    
    Just wondering if there’s a risk that Colin Craig will pop out of the grass and surprise you? It must be time for him to come back into the limelight again!
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:00pm
stigie

Note to Johnboy:- Check out rack first !~
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November 11, 2017 8:59pm
- nasska
  
  Julie Anne’s or Colin’s? 🙂
  
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  November 11, 2017 9:05pm
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    I wonder how good a cook Julie Anne is nasska? 🙂
    
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    November 11, 2017 9:24pm
Viking2

Ardern hasn’t revealed the content of the talks with Turnbull, but said the fact they are continuing proved the urgency of the situation.

New Zealand won’t pursue a deal directly with Papua New Guinea, despite Foreign Minister Winston Peters spotted holding talks with PNG’s Prime Minister Peter O’Neill.

Ardern said it was faster to organise the logistics of any deal with Australia.

“It continues to be the easiest option is to go through Australia given the screening that’s already occurred of those refugees … I’m interested in the fastest route,” she said.

Peters has made it clear New Zealand’s offer also includes refugees and asylum seekers in Australian detention centres in Nauru.

So the person most noisy about immigration of the worst kind is now apparently supporting the other person on immigration of the worst kind.

How bad is that?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943121
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