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waikatogirl

David Parker TPP head trade negotiator extraordinaire for the Liabour Pardy, previously totally opposed and marched in the street protests against TPP, is now at APEC to win concessions on TPP so he and the rest of the CoL are not complete hypocrites now signing an agreement in principle. Winnie has also flip-flopped his opposition of the TPP and will help pass this into law. Will the Greens also abandon their principles?

…And there they are, Winnie with Parker in the front row for the APEC photo with the other delegates. Winston managed to find someone even shorter than himself to stand next to.
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November 10, 2017 8:00am
- hullkiwi
  
  ..and taxcinda on the plane talking to the media pa k down playing her chances to renegotiate terms. So, it looks like she hyped up the spin before she left, is now back tracking, & when she gets a concession, she’ll come back & gloat what a good negotiator am I.
  Please pass the sick bucket & get ready.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:07am
  - Happychappy
    
    waikatogirl : The photo shows Winston doesn’t appear to show he has a lot of friends amongst the others standing on his lonesome with no willing to chat with him, it gives the impression he is a outcast amongst the group.
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:29am
  - Chris R
    
    Jacinda dresses like a student politician (as does her
    cardigan-wearing finance minister,) enunciates like a fish wife and crumples-up like a tin-foil plate at a BBQ. Her only strong point is her hypocrisy which she displays in equal measure with David Parker (“I oppose the TPPA!”) and Winston who opposes all free-trade. This lot are as embarrassing to NZ as Weinstein is to Hollywood. Let it never be forgotten that it was Labour (Clark/Goff) who began the TPPA process.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:02am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Yes, the Government of Backsliders. I wonder how many more things that they violently opposed over the last 9 years, will they about face and agree with now, becuase they’re in charge, doncha know.
  Pure hypocrisy.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:08am
  - virtualmark
    
    It’s not so much about cynically doing an “about face” as it is about seeing your slogans crash headlong into reality.
    
    It’s not evil deception, just stupid naivete.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:44am
    - Sam_Bro
      
      100 bucks says the kiwi build meter will get switched off like Kiwi Blogs sitemeter ranking in 1 yr.
      
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      November 10, 2017 5:57pm
- niggly
  
  And then Labour will continue to cop a bashing from the activist hard-left!
  
  Which serves Labour right for being dishonest when they were in Opposition by attacking the TPPA (culminating in dismissing Helen Clark support for it last year), when in fact it was Labour that instigated the TPPA as the P4 back in the 2000’s, and we find they have flip-flopped again and are mostly supportive now!
  
  Labour: can’t be trusted by the activists and can’t be trusted by middle NZ!
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:48am
- hullkiwi
  
  WG, I hope you are feeling suitably ashamed of yourself? You prevented single handedly that sad, vacant lot, Billy of Oakley from infesting this page with his usual cut & paste efforts this morning. Thereby, you prevented the rest of us expressing our democratic right to down tick him to oblivion. I hope you feel sorry for him? 🙂
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    My pleasure hullkiwi. I had to be very quick to beat his deep thoughtful post of “q”. ?
    
    Betting WoO will try twice as hard tomorrow. Sad little fellow that he is.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:35am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Well done you. But he must be out there because I got a down tick for my comment.
      ..And to Billy of Oakley, get a new moniker, as you are an insult to the one you use, prat.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Now wait for the nutty left blogs The Stranded and Daily Blog to defend TPP with their lives…The gutless pinko James Waste of Space Shaw will lecture their unwashed supporters why TPP is good for NZ. Spineless hypocrites of the first order.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:55am
- RF
  
  waikatogirl…
  
  The other short arse is a Pygmy from Borneo who is the wine waiter.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:00am
- jims_whare
  
  Just need them to flip flop on tax cuts, 3 strikes, and charter schools next…..suck it up SJWs.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:57am
Southern Raider

So is Labour going to claim TPP as all their doing after spending 30 mins out of the last 9 years actually working on and supporting it?
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November 10, 2017 8:01am
- holysheet
  
  But they cannot bring themselves to admit it’s a done deal.
  “Lets do this”
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:04am
  - VicParking
    
    Like her trip to Australia Jacinda will return to accolades from the MSM. She will have achieved nothing but will glow in the success of the last government. I think the words to describe her and the Labour party are: “a person or group who pretends to have principles, that she or they do not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. ” or to be succinct Hypocrites.
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:12am
    - Maxx
      
      Don’t forget the reports of “she went and did her best, of which I am proud”. Your best isn’t good enough if you don’t achieve anything!
      
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      November 10, 2017 8:58am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Did she get accolades from the MSM? I didn’t think them particularly accolading
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:37am
      - hullkiwi
        
        She did. Including Hootton on Monday on his spot with Mills & Ryan on Red RNZ.
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:00am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      She came a distant 2nd in a 2 horse race.
      
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      November 10, 2017 11:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  CoL negotiations at APEC: Johnny come lately but it will all be their idea if it is successful.
  
  How far down the page can we push William of O with his “q” attempt at being first on GD every day. ?
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I see WoO deleted his morning “q” today when he missed the top slot.
    
    Better luck tomorrow Woo. ?
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Thought Winston was against TPP but is stuffed as both National and Labour are in favour.
    Hell hath no fury as we now see when Winston behaves like the prat he is when he cannot get his own way.
    His irresponsible Pension SNAFU is going to give him grief – oh – will he sue me now for calling him both a prat and irresponsible ?
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:21am
- hullkiwi
  
  …of course they are, they are politicians after all.
  The excuses are coming out already, ie we (NZ) are losing ground to Australia in the Japanese market. That was on the radio this morning. A bit of spin for sheeple consumption.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:12am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Saying “Jacinda” is the NZ PM….
  
  is darn embarrassing…
  
  #CallMeWhenThreeYearsAreOver
  
  CRIKEY
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:29am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yep! That is the plan. Their great unwashed supporters will be parading before parliament and celebrating how Tooth Fairy pulled off the TPP deal in 30 minutes while the National Government couldn’t do it in 9 years.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:57am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The art of political spin.
    
    …and what will be the differences to the deal signed in Auckland? Answers on a hen’s tooth please or
    
    Six tenths of nothing, because the Japanese don’t want the deal opened up for further negotiation. So, argue with that Taxcinda!
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:05am
Inandout

The Hydra is running in all directions with schizophrenic messages on the TPP, housing and migration. If the Greens keep mute on the TPP then they are next to useless.
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November 10, 2017 8:12am
Keeping Stock

The Listener isn’t exactly the last bastion of right-wing opinion. Which makes their editorial attack on Winston Peters all the more remarkable. Under the headline We deserve better than Winston Peters’ legal stunt, the Listener’s leader writer opines:

Winston Peters was all furious denials when a journalist alleged during the election campaign that he might use his likely kingmaker power to further a quest for utu. His opening salvo towards formal legal action this week points to just such a quest, and one that bodes ill for the effectiveness and reputation of this country’s first minority coalition Government.

It’s bad enough that the Deputy Prime Minister has filed legal disclosure claims against four senior MPs in the National Party, with which he negotiated, supposedly in good faith, to form a Government just last month. It’s also appalling that he has included a senior public servant and two former political staffers in his discovery claims, knowing, as he must, how hard it is for such employees to defend themselves in a politically charged situation. And it’s an ogreish and futile act for any politician, as Peters as done, to demand that journalists disclose sources.

But the fact that he reportedly filed the paperwork for the claim the day before the election reeks of bad faith. It’s now hard for him to defend his assertion that he went into coalition negotiations with National with genuine intent.

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/profiles/we-deserve-better-than-winston-peters-legal-stunt/

This is a very strong condemnation of our new Deputy PM, and as the opening paragraph states, is a dreadful look for a new government.

But worse follows; our new PM has been in the loop for at least part of this process:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she was given a heads-up last week about Peters’ intentions. She is too tactful for now to say so, but he has put her in an invidious position, merely to avenge his ruffled sense of self-righteousness.

Three state agencies investigated the leak without finding its source, and it’s unlikely the discovery action will find answers. Peters will just make himself, and by extension the Government, look ridiculous. Given his repeated threats to release some of former PM Bill English’s private texts, the action risks looking like a hollow and hypocritical stunt.

This puts Jacinda Ardern in a very difficult position. She now knows that any “wins” she gave NZF in return for its support were based on false pretences; that Peters was genuinely negotiating with National. She has been duped.

The editorial ends with a final rebuke of Peters:

It’s not the only front on which Peters exposes the Government to derision. His bizarre insistence on the Government pursuing a free trade agreement with the Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan customs union, in the teeth of global diplomacy and a very negative response from visiting European Union ambassador Bernard Savage, has never been satisfactorily explained. It underlines the further absurdity of having a Foreign Minister who vehemently opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement – although he has for now lost that battle – represent the country at Apec this week.

Given this election disclosed a sizeable mood for a change of Government, Peters began this term with every chance of earning the public’s respect – or at least the benefit of the doubt. That he has yet again been unable to show restraint or decorum, and is futilely pursuing a personal grudge, is extremely disappointing. His co-parties in Government, and the country, deserve better.

This is a quite extraordinary piece from a journal which normally leans to the Left by some degree. Jacinda Ardern must already be wondering just what sort of buggers’ muddle she has got herself into, whilst Bill English looks relieved to have dodged a mortar shell.
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November 10, 2017 8:13am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy should have read KB as part of the research into negotiating with Winston. We all knew and stated loudly and definitely that working with Winston was going to be TOXIC. So lol Cindy. You got what you deserved!
  
  Popcorn shortages predicted. You heard it here first.
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  November 10, 2017 8:26am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    But the fact of the matter is Cindy is PM while English is not. They won, we lost, eat that. Simple.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:59am
    - Lance
      
      You mean like how Jack won tickets on the Titanic in a poker game, and was elated ?
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:17pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      SCS, Power handed to Cindy on a plate with a side dish of chicanery. A huge sigh of relief from many Nat supporters. ?
      
      I saw a poll on Stuff which I can’t now find but the upshot of it was there were more people unhappy with the election outcome than those who were happy with the CoL. Eat that.
      
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      November 10, 2017 3:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No doubt the drunken dwarf will now be suing the Listener as well.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:52am
  - Lance
    
    And anyone who read the article
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:18pm
- alex Masterley
  
  There was a bit on the radio this morning where Mr Peters reported on his cuddling up to the Russian Ambassador at Apec.
  Russian interference in the US Presidential election is a big thing at the moment.
  That has got me thinking about Mr Peters enthusiasm for things Russian which as the Listener notes flys in the face of international diplomacy.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:52am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Perhaps he’s developed a taste for the very best quality soviet vodka…
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:25am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Another glass of water, Winston?
      Wink wink.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:56am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      They also make an excellent cognac in Russia.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:45am
- niggly
  
  Winston Peters has yet again screwed over the COL and Labour Govt (and it is only early days), as well as the above commentary, by Winston taking on the MSM (Newsroom and Newshub’s reporters), the MSM will close ranks and attack Peters.
  
  And what was Peter’s thinking by dropping the legal bombshell and jetting off to APEC at the same time – did he think that he could avoid the fallout? No! The MSM will (already are) making this the reporting narrative and will not give Peters airtime for much of anything else he wants to get across.
  
  This is well known MSM basics 101 and Peters has either arrogantly tried to ignore this reality or is detached from reality – neither is a good look!
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:56am
  - CHFR1
    
    Winston thinks he is our very own Donald Trump. The problem for him is that he is not as likeable as Trump not as adept at manipulating the media.
    This will be a rocky 3 years for Jacinda and I for one could not be happier. Her ambition outstrips her ability.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:41am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Too true, or as they say in the hinterland: all hat and no cattle
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Or my neck of the woods, fur coat and no knickers.
        
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        November 10, 2017 1:33pm
    - KevOB
      
      I think our Winnie has gone senile. It takes different forms. He presents as irrational. The 2014 election was bad enough–He was crook then and I was surprised he did not retire.
      
      I doubt that Winston is legally competent.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:41am
      - flipper
        
        ” ….. doubt that Winston is legally competent.”
        What are the words for that?
        Old timers or dementia?
        If you are correct, it must be one or the other. Surely ?
        
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        November 10, 2017 2:23pm
  - RF
    
    We should have known just how honest the pensioner is. Remember him holding up the large NO sign and later proven that it should have been YES.
    
    What a load of shit……
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:18am
    - Longknives
      
      I’m still waiting for that referendum!
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94776411/winston-peters-delivers-bottomline-binding-referendum-on-abolishing-maori-seats
      
      Surely Winston wasn’t lying?..
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    The so called MSM are going to be very busy – slagging off Peters and ignoring anything the Opposition have to say.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:22am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Nationals needs less than 3% of the NZLasts vote to go their way & the CoL become the Coalition of the Damned.
      
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      November 10, 2017 5:51pm
- calendar girl
  
  How did Peters file his legal actions on the day before the Election, then have the writs served, 6 weeks and 3 days later, on the very day that MPs were being sworn into the new Parliament? Was that set of convenient timings, arguably to Peters’ advantage, a matter of mere coincidence?
  
  Can our legal experts advise us whether a plaintiff is able to pre-arrange timings of the writ-service process? As appears to have happened here?
  
  Peters himself, of course, should have no greater influence in the processing of his personal claims than any other citizen. Has any such influence been exercised here?
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    How did Peters file his legal actions on the day before the Election, then have the writs served, 6 weeks and 3 days later, on the very day that MPs were being sworn into the new Parliament? Was that set of convenient timings, arguably to Peters’ advantage, a matter of mere coincidence?
    
    I’m not familiar with the legal niceties of this, but I wonder if Peters was looking for some form of insurance, by filing on what could have been his last day as an MP.
    
    It’s clear though that Peters is grandstanding on several levels; the choice of date for service of the legal papers, the selective leaking of the story to Barry Soper and a well-known blog that shilled for Peters during the election (and at least was honest about the author’s desire for utu), and the demands he is making of journalists. He clearly has no evidence with which to formally sue people, so he is on the mother of all fishing expeditions.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:18am
    - tf78
      
      Just wondering – do ALL the Govt Mp’s, including existing/old MP’s have to be re-sworn in to form the new government. If so didn’t Winston and David Parker miss the swearing in ceremony and are they truly NZ’s parliamentary representatives at the moment.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:18am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Both have been sworn in as Ministers by the Governor-General. However neither can speak in the House until they are sworn in there, nor can they vote.
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:52am
      - Flash
        
        I noticed, on reading the Q for Oral Answer, that the national MPs were referred to as The Hon. whereas the new MPs were just plain Joe Bloggs.
        
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        November 10, 2017 11:05am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Those who were Cabinet Ministers in the former administration retain the title Hon.
        
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        November 10, 2017 1:45pm
    - calendar girl
      
      “… by filing on what could have been his last day as an MP.”
      
      Setting aside whether his “last day as an MP” could have been before the new Parliament was installed (I simply don’t know the answer to that), does your comment suggest that Peters’ legal costs are likely to be met from our taxes? How could that be justified on a matter relating to his ‘overpaid’ personal superannuation entitlements?
      
      Speaking of which, has Peters yet repaid the over-payment windfall that fell fortuitously on his lap for a number of years?
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:45am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  ‘But the fact that he reportedly filed the paperwork for the claim the day before the election reeks of bad faith.’
  
  You’ll have to tell me how he knew what the election result was going to be for that to hold water Keeping. The writer of the article didn’t give that aspect any consideration and in fact didn’t even mention it – maybe he was after ‘utu.’ Are we at the crystal ball stage already?
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:58am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    It was far more likely than not that NZF would reach the 5% threshold Nostalgia. It’s just disappointing that people fell for the line that Peters would go with National but “keep them honest”.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:21am
    - lifesgood
      
      Silly old WO, who thinks he knows everything, has proved, once again, he knows nothing. He spent the whole campaign promoting Peters “to keep National honest” Ha, ha, ha, lol, lol, lol. WO is obviously really on the outer with politicians and those in the know.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:57am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Yes that was what the blubber, I know all, WhaleOil was preaching his readers to do.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:02am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      Whose line was that though Keeping? That he would go with National?
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:13am
      - Flash
        
        I read WO daily. He made no secret of his dislike of English, and always said that Peters would be the king/queen maker. It was up to voters to decide where to place their vote.
        He was/is on the outer with the Nats and their friends, but that goes back a few years now, and does not really affect the quality of the information we can glean from the site. And he has some good commenters as well.
        And I like the moderation – the ad homs on this site get pretty dull after a while and don’t add to the quality of comment. But I guess you enjoy yourselves –
        
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        November 10, 2017 11:16am
    - tf78
      
      Keeping Stock, thank you for clarifying Winston and Parker’s positions for me.
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:06pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    No’s, as I wrote back to you the other day, Winnie Poo is playing a strategy, that started before the election, but went wrong on election day. He anticipated he would win Northland & he didn’t expect the Nats to be stronger than Labour & NZ combined. The election results have shown his hand & that he is a duplicitous fraud.
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:57pm
- niggly
  
  “Three state agencies investigated the leak without finding its source, and it’s unlikely the discovery action will find answers. Peters will just make himself, and by extension the Government, look ridiculous. Given his repeated threats to release some of former PM Bill English’s private texts, the action risks looking like a hollow and hypocritical stunt.”
  
  I also find it interesting that WO was central to pushing both of these stories, and despite there being no evidence was pointing the finger of blame directly at National or Bill English.
  
  A little more scrutiny of the WO articles implied it was National, by appearing “to do a Hager” and simply joining some dots (eg “Joyce was heard to say” … well how do we know the source of that is being “truthful” themselves and doesn’t have their own agenda etc)?
  
  Bill English’s texts fizzled out to nothing of substance in the end.
  
  WO promoting angles (which also aligns with Peters) isn’t helpful without any context to who the sources are and therefore their credibility etc.
  
  I mean what if it was a Labour source (perhaps even pimping info to someone disgruntled in National)? There was a Labour connection to the texts (one of the lawyers) and Labour were doing well in knocking off National’s support partners (MP, Dunne – so why not drive a wedge with NZF to their advantage)?
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The media and Peters went on and on about 450 text messages from English to Mrs Dickson. What they said far less often was that the figure of 450 was the number of texts sent over the course of a year, so about 1.3 per day.
    
    English and Mrs Dickson clearly had a trusting working relationship, so that number of texts between people who have worked closely over an extended period is completely normal. That didn’t stop Peters painting it as the crime of the century, and applying all sorts of innuendo to the whole situation.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:24am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Is Mrs Dickson still working for Winston?
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:11am
    - flipper
      
      Yo Keeping ……….
      If this is a diversionary fishing trip by Peters
      then:
      1. Peters might have costs awarded against him.
      2. Whale will very likely be required to disclose his sources in relation to his claims
      3. Whale and others could face bills for legal costs.
      What this shows is that age-old private vendettas are best left buried. Revenge is not cold when it is telegraphed in a partisan way.
      
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      November 10, 2017 2:39pm
- artemisia
  
  And also about Mr Peters and NZ First. Bit of an odd article in the WaPo – NZ First is far right, poisonous and bigoted.
  
  “If she [Ms Adern] truly wants New Zealand to be a more tolerant place for all and to set a worldwide example that hate is not acceptable, it would be best for Ardern to end her unholy alliance with New Zealand First and the far right, even if it meant she might not return as prime minister. As long as the far right has power, bigotry and hate will continue to fester in Middle-earth.”
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/11/08/how-the-far-right-is-poisoning-new-zealand/?utm_term=.285ebf2db94f
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ben Mack is worried about Winston’s take on Immigrants.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11933415
    
    Whether Ben Mack has got himself naturalised, I do not know.
    
    But he’s a bit of a global wanderer…. US, Sweden, Germany, N. Korea, Invercargill.
    https://nz.linkedin.com/in/benmack1
    Perhaps he wants to stay in li’l ol’ NZ.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:36am
    - Longknives
      
      Ben Mack writes regularly for the Herald.
      He usually rants about how horrible New Zealand is- We are all Racist,Bigots, Homophobes etc etc
      Why the fuck does he want to stay here then?
      
      Any why the FUCK are Herald paying this idiot? Even my Left-Leaning friends in the Media reckon he writes drivel…
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:26am
      - Paulus
        
        Well the Herald pay quite a number of twerps such as the failed ex UK MP now retired, living in Mt Maunganui, from Waikato University after the sinecure from H Clark, and such as Marvellous Marvelly from the Morrison whanau in Rotorua.
        Call me Sir Cullen writes for them along with other eminent Economists who do not appear to know shit from clay.
        So what’s new !
        
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        November 10, 2017 1:30pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  There is a reason that John Key flatly refused to work with Winston Peters, more than one actually. I think that we will see the wisdom in his decision very soon. Bill English will be quite happy to remain on the opposite side of the house from the three time loser who couldn’t hold a seat if it was super-glued to his arse!
  
  I happened to be in the parliamentary precinct this week, spotted a number of National MP’s out and about, and they certainly didn’t appear to have the demeanour of a party that had just been consigned to the opposition benches.
  
  Prime Minister Ardern must be feeling like she’s drinking from a firehose at the moment. Dealing with one of the best and most experienced opposition parties that this country has ever seen, all the while seated next to the political equivalent of a drunk driver, who insists that he is quite able to drive, and keeps trying to take the wheel!
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:29am
- Dave Mann
  
  KS you write really well. Thanks for that interesting comment and analysis on the Listener piece and thanks for highlighting it on this blog. I’m betting not many here will be regular Listener readers. Cheers.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:40am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Nor am I Dave, but this story was doing the rounds of Twitter yesterday afternoon, which was when I became aware of it. It’s certainly going to help to make Jacinda Ardern’s “honeymoon” with the media exceedingly brief.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:47am
  - Flash
    
    My kids gave me a subscription after I said I used to do the crosswords.
    Feature articles in the most recent 4 issues:
    . Great Social Enterprise Ideas: Bright and right, the boom in ethical business
    . Paying For Carbon Emissions: Will flying cost us too much? The threat to Kiwi holidays.
    . Avoiding Project Pitfalls: Home truths, what you need to know before you build
    .The New Low-Carbon World: Eating for the earth. How the move away from meat will change our farming and our food.
    It’s like a greenies Consumer mag, but without the cred.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:29am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes – but the dishonest legacy media always close ranks whenever their previously trust-based privileged postion is challenged. Look how they have all gone ‘all-in’ against Trump – as he mobilises the deep distrust the public has for the MSM.
  
  This is just more of the same, regardless of historical editorial slant if there is any legal action brought against illegal actions carried out by the media – they will all fall in line.
  
  Look at how disgustingly they behaved against Key in the context of the deeply dishonest covert recording of the ‘cup of tea’ conversation.
  
  We’re being lied to by the MSM – all day every day on every issue!
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:49am
- Viking2
  
  Given this election disclosed a sizeable mood for a change of Government, Peters began this term with every chance of earning the public’s respect –
  
  If the writer believes that bit of bullshit then they deserve Peters.
  There is simply no evidence to corroborate that line.
  
  Having now realised that they have partnered with dinosaur with bad manners they are, like Winston, making excuses for when things come to bits.
  
  With luck the Nats. might take notice of what happens when you don’t do what you say you are going to do.
  
  Get rid of the Maori seats and all the TOW bullshit. No.1
  
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  November 10, 2017 7:47pm
Nukuleka

If anyone neeeded clear proof that The Washington Post does indeed purvey ‘fake news’, as President Trump has stated time and time again, they need look no further than the article it has printed from NZ Herald Lifestyle contributor Ben Mack. Not only is the article riddled with ludicrous assertions but it makes palpably incorrect statements that can be construed as lies. Mr Mack tells his US readers, for example, that ‘the two largest parties finished close enough in the general election that whichever party New Zealand First decided to enter a coalition with would control enough seats… to govern.’ Add in the Greens and maybe this comes close to reality but the printed statement is clearly untrue.

No matter what one’s opinion of Winston and his party, describing New Zealand First as ‘far right’ and even more bizarrely as a political ‘afterthought’ (whatever that is meant to mean) shows Ben Mack up as a shallow and deeply unintelligent commentator. It also makes The Washington Post look foolish for not having fact-checked and for publishing such silly twaddle.
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November 10, 2017 8:13am
- Paulus
  
  No quite normal for the Washington Post (or the New York Times) both purveyors of crap if it helps sales.
  So why do lies matter as we know from our own so called media.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:25am
- Brito
  
  Ben Mack is a nappy soaked in gender fluid leakage. Repulsive creature who should crawl back into the uterus of hell from which he was spawned.
  
  Where’s my coffeeeeeee!!!!????????????
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  Winston has been in touch with the Washington Post suggesting whoever wrote that article is a nutter who escaped from a lunatic asylum at 2.30am, and called his comments “malicious and blatantly false”.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:36am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sadly, the Washington Post is no longer the paper of the journalism of Woodward & Bernstein. They are part of the swamp that is the global MSM in the internet age.
  As for the apologist turkey who wrote the piece, there is no way anything he writes is even credible.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:36am
  - backster
    
    Yet they (Washington Post) are inevitably quoted by our media as the authority on all things political in the USA and our media never dispute their fake news,
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:49pm
- dime
  
  hey! be nice! the washington post is kiwiblogs journal of record!
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:52am
- treadingthemill
  
  Ben Mack has been in the country for only two years, although one would think that was enough time to read a little of our countries political history. He is from America, and here on a temporary work visa. I strive to be polite at all times, but I have to say, the guy is an unhinged and arrogant idiot. Despite being here for only two years, and not being a citizen, he insists that “we” must do this and that, which I find very offensive. I was so pissed off with the article that I created an account at the Post just to respond to it and point out it’s many factual errors, one of which was to claim that Labour’s policy to reduce immigration and ban foreign house buyers were actually New Zealand First policies that Jacinda caved to. Croaking Cassandra has a good post about it.
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/11/09/the-washington-post-falls-for-ben-mack/
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:00pm
JIV

All those clapped out cars with Anti-TPPA bumper stickers are going to have to find an Anti U-Turn sticker as they were always for free trade after all.
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November 10, 2017 8:22am
- Happychappy
  
  It could be quite a picnic coming up to Xmas of all the faithful activists in Labour decide to turn on Labour and Winston. There is no loyalty in being a activist they are their for themselves will create havoc to press their belief.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  Indeed. What now for the self declared TPP Free Zones, usually occupied by soap dodging bearded cardy wearers?
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Doesn’t out esteemed Finance Minister wander around in a Cardigan, but without holes in it, yet !
    He has plenty of holes to fill in.
    Still cannot count.
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:35pm
- Viking2
  
  Socialists no longer drive clapped out cars. They are into state sponsored electric ones and Crown BMW’s.
  
  Keep up won’t you.
  
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  November 10, 2017 7:51pm
Happychappy

When are all the experts and economists going to step foward and back the costs of the coalition’s promises and baubles that were the outcome of forming a three party agreement to become the Government. It was alright to back Sweet Cheeks over the Election and his calls for Steven Joyce to apologize to the country but we now need to know the costs and the furnace Minister is getting a free ride.
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November 10, 2017 8:25am
- Maxx
  
  They’ll just fall back on that it’s only since all of the other spendings has been announced post-election that it makes it unaffordable.
  
  The fact that it is logical to know that public service, police, education would all be seeking pay rises is beside the point. This is what really should be pushed on them. What kind of economists aren’t looking at the spending and asking “what about the rest of the budget”.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:10am
- VicParking
  
  They will come out and say, which they did, that ‘they are going to have to borrow to get us out of the mess that national left us in.’ They were spouting this line during question time yesterday.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:53am
flipper

Are they capable????

There has been much speculation in Wellington since it has become known that Peters initiated legal proceedings in relation to reports of his Nat Super overpayment dating back several years. Papers initiating legal proceedings were filed with the High Court on September 22, the day before the General Election. They were not served until Peters had left New Zealand for South East Asia. The timing of these actions on behalf of Peters is such that his credibility is now subject to greater scrutiny than previously. There is widespread acceptance of claims that he simply used negotiations with National to screw more concessions from Labour.

This matter is likely to take several months to resolve and there will be twists and turns before it concludes. The timing of the filings is an obvious issue attracting media attention. Another is the fact that his fishing expedition will certainly be contested by media. Whatever course is followed it seems that the Crown will incur substantial legal costs contesting the matter.

In the meantime, the rumour mill is circulating in relation to Peters’ health. Molesworth Street was bouncing with speculation – all said to have basis in fact. It is said that the medical issues are more serious than those likely to be associated the consumption of alcoholic beverages and the use of tobacco.

That interview with Winston and Guyon Espiner on Red Radio in the week or two before the election showed that Peters is really losing it. It was a shocker. There are hints that Parliament is reverting to a condition where it protects its own. That may be true, but in 2017 I do not know what it will achieve. I’m not sure, nor qualified to make a diagnosis, about the under-lying cause, but he certainly wasn’t on his game. It is, however, clear that he is not really up to it anymore. If then the speculation in Wellington is even partially true, we now have an unbalanced, duplicitous, Machiavelli-like politician, gallivanting around the world matched by a political fairy who is said to be “a little thing, but as shallow as a puddle in a supermarket carpark”. And yesterday’s Question Time in the H of R demonstrated that the Peters/Ardern Regime really is as shallow as that puddle. The Greens were pathetic, NZF not much better, and Labour scored a C minus. Sad, very sad indeed.

The following link is a comprehensive link to coverage worth reading. Mai Chen in Stuff is worth a look for more detail on matters legal.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11942352
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November 10, 2017 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When will Labour figure out that Winnie has ~~screwed~~ used them?
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:35am
- peterwn
  
  I have been wondering about the leak business. With respect to MSD chief being sued, he apparently took advice from the State Services Commissioner and Crown Law before informing the Minister, so it is for Crown Law to defend. Bill English now thinks the ‘no surprises’ policy is a dumb idea for this sort of thing – after 15 years when Helen Clark was able to hit National because of it – I would have thought that National would have toned it down when it came to power.
  The interesting thing is what happened? WO’s simplistic view is the MSD Minister and key staffers received the ‘no surprises’ information and used it to try an embarrass Winston. This does not make sense unless the Minister and/ or staffers were unusually stupid or dumb. If you are going to pull off that sort of operation you figure out how to cover your tracks first eg imply the leak came from some other plausible source. Perhaps the story spread around Nat party staffers until it reached a critical mass where a leak became inevitable. Perhaps others heard about it from other sources so it did not come out via the ‘no surprises’ policy. It was obvious from some of Annette King’s questions and statements that she had her ‘spies’ in the health system, perhaps Labour similarly has ‘spies’ in other parts of the Public Service. Goodness knows.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:20am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Minister and/or staffers were unusually stupid or dumb’
    There you go.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:14am
  - Flash
    
    ” Perhaps the story spread around Nat party staffers until it reached a critical mass where a leak became inevitable. Perhaps others heard about it from other sources so it did not come out via the ‘no surprises’ policy”
    This.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes peterwn. Perhaps when the leaker is identified (a pipe dream) then they should be on the honours list for their “services to the public”. WINZ are not known for their competence but seem to be in damage control. They have made a smoke screen by digging out thousands more who being overpaid. The guts of the matter is (A) the original fraudulent claim by WP and the (B) length of time it continued and (C) how quickly he paid it back to the fanfare of trumpets as well as (D) the amount included interest and penalties. More to come?
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:51pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  In attempting to run this issue through a trial process, Winston could be over-reaching here. Should this matter come to trial, surely the whole sordid mess will have to be exposed to the light of day, including how Mr Peters came to be paid the incorrect rate. If it was a deliberate obfuscation, and can be shown to be thus, Winston looks like a fraudster. If it was a mistake on a form, Winston looks incompetent. If it is all hushed up in court under the basis of ‘privacy’, Winston looks like he has something to hide. If the prosecution fails, Winston looks foolish. If the prosecution succeeds, it confirms that Winston defrauded the government, and by extension, the taxpayer.
  
  Sure, he may walk out of court all cock-a-hoop, but it will ultimately bite him square in the backside. It’s a classic no-win scenario!
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:38am
  - Callum
    
    Winston seems to be going after breach of privacy, rather than defamation. So he won’t need to prove that his (lack of) good reputation has been damaged. Effectively his private information has been used for a purpose it was not intended for and whoever leaked it has potentially committed a criminal offence.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:48am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      If he’s suing because his privacy has been breached, that’s all well and good, but it does confirm that there was an over payment (to which he has admitted anyway). He’s not suing for defamation now, is he!
      
      Perhaps Bill English could paraphrase the last Labour Prime Minister. “I was the Prime Minister, by definition, I cannot leak!”
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:01am
    - peterwn
      
      Winston would have had a discussion with Brian Henry on the best way of dealing with the matter. Defamation was probably ruled out because the issue of the wrong declaration would come into play. Criminal action probably ruled out because the high standard of proof required. Also coercive powers would be needed to obtain evidence and there may have been uncertainty over its effectiveness. Also the process would have been placed beyond Winston’s control. So the best choice would be Privacy Act civil action, since ‘discovery’ is available and Winston retains control of the process. Generally information gleaned from ‘discovery’ cannot be used for criminal prosecution purposes but there seem to be grey areas here which a smart lawyer can exploit. Possibly, information from discovery could be used as a lead for an investigator to seek alternative evidence that could be used for a prosecution.
      In this instance the different defendants have differing defence objectives and this could be used for leverage purposes. MSD chief informed the Minister following advice – he would have nothing to fear personally. If however one of his staffers ‘leaked’ and he found this out he would no doubt hang the person out to dry and probably disclose this in discovery. Similarly with IRD – a difference here, secrecy and integrity provisions in tax legislation probably means (perhaps unlike MSD) the Commissioner cannot make ‘no surprises’ communication to the Minister on individual taxpayers’ affairs. I doubt that IRD is implicated unless Winston can take a crack at the legality of data sharing.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:25am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Not several months Flipper, possibly several years. Did anyone seriously think the negotiations were anything about anything other than ‘party interest’ first. The leaks were private information. Winston could at any point pursue his private information breaches, we must not forget that he bargained on behalf of NZF whilst essentially the breaches were private information.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:28am
  - flipper
    
    True Nos.
    But by then, if the mill is just partially correct on health matters ????
    And then there is the question of whether, given his position in NZ political life, he has no private info expectation/ entitlement…..
    
    And the one thing that he will never be able to avoid is his frequent past use of rumour and private information for his own nefarious purposes. He stigmatised many, did he not? That will make life interesting.
    But ……
    The HoR Standing Orders will cover his backside in the House, and probably prevent him being exposed to ridicule.
    As you say… years, not months….
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:45am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      As long as he observes the interests of the Country and the economy, of which he is well capable, his stigmatization of others (or even perhaps his health) is less relevant in the wider picture. Labour have to factor that in to their election hopes of the future while National need to regroup, look at what worked for 9 years, (including as the coalition will do stealing ideas or policy) then stick with the knitting, slash the fat and more liberally target the middle with fresher ideas – because as always that is where the voters are. I fear they will go backwards in looking for fresh leadership, not necessarily at the top but in support roles. There are some personnel that are better gone out of the National line up. JK’s cleverness of having hatchet men/women to deflect unpopularity from himself has a price that the hatchet men/women struggle to shake off so perhaps the should be recycled early in the term. Big things at stake now, deep thinking needed, waiting for the coalition to collapse, or to simply resume and it will (Government) ‘just happen’ shouldn’t be even remotely considered there has been a watershed change. Executive Powers are under the microscope, as the use of them is analysed the country will have no stomach for them to continue. The coalition is listening to the ‘little voices’ in doing so the are continuing to isolate the Nats. All speculation of course, but an interesting and invigorating watch.
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:55pm
- KevOB
  
  If Winston is seriously ill and it is affecting his mental state was he capable of conducting negotiations on behalf of NZF and is the coalition of his choosing valid?
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:48am
  - peterwn
    
    That is a matter that could only be decided by Parliament and/or the other parties. A MP’s seat becomes vacant if he is found to be ‘mentally disordered’ but the ‘bar’ for this would be rather high. If Labour felt their integrity is adversely affected by Winston’s alleged state of mind, Labour can give an ultimatum to Winston and if need be carry through with it ie resign as the Government and seek a fresh mandate.
    My opinion is Winston is neither clinically insane (or even close to it) nor is he an alcoholic (he obviously controls his drinking even if he might have one too many and AFAIK he has never been up on a drink-drive). He has sufficient mental fortitude to survive a bit longer (three years at least) in politics even if age is starting to show.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:34am
    - KevOB
      
      Time will tell. But I have had a bit of experience with aged people and deterioration of mental functions comes in different ways. It not always forgetfulness: irrational bouts, anger, stubbornness, not listening to reason are all typical as well.
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      As my father died from the effects of Emphysema, as a result of a lifetime smoking, I believe I can detect similarities with Winston of late.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I agree he exhibits shortness of breath at times, but folks can go for years managing this condition.
        
        There’s nothing wrong with Winston’s brain…
        he’s out-pokered everyone, AGAIN.
        
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        November 10, 2017 2:32pm
PaulDunmore

One of the original candidates (their tax spokesperson, no less) gets kicked out of the @GarethMorganNZ party for being insufficiently respectful of the Great Man.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343482/top-party-candidate-told-to-resign
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November 10, 2017 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  All because of the late Paddles. Talk about a dead cat bounce!
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:52am
Huevon

Another Muslim rapist that we can’t get off our hands because of his refugee status…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/98686201/refugee-considered-dangerous-enough-to-deport-could-soon-be-back-on-the-streets

Just think what things will be like once Labour starts flooding the country with these people.
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November 10, 2017 8:55am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  So he stays, and the current Govt wants more of the bastards?
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:19am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Did anyone hear Leighton Smith just after the 9 am news? He was talking of the Swedish tolerance for Muslim paedopliles.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:22am
billr

this could brighten up an otherwise dull day:

https://bullshit.ist/is-anything-dumber-than-donald-trump-4adb512a9b5b
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November 10, 2017 8:56am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Who the fuck let you out??
  Is there a Doctor here? please, quick
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:22am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  How stupid. Yeah… sure…
  
  President Trump is so “dumb” he’s got the Chinese making billion dollar trade deal promises…
  
  When he arrived in China? RED CARPET…
  
  your man Obama? exited the BACK OF THE PLANE…
  
  Chinese are SUCKING up to a real leader, giving respect… all STANDING during playing of the USA’s national anthem (unlike wussy NFL millionaire losers)….
  
  you can keep thinking Trump is done…. while he’s busy making America great again and making GREAT trade deals….
  
  #MAGA
  #covfefe
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:25am
- billr
  
  I was correct, it did.
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:36pm
EAD_TWO

Interesting article yesterday on Kiwiblog on the Judeo-Bolshevik takeover of Russia 100 years ago.

The story of the subsequent holocaust of the Russian populace where over 40M people actually died in the most horrific manner would make a great story but for some reason Hollywood has never told it.

“Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.” – Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

“You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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- EAD_TWO
  
  What I found interesting was this little snippet from the article:
  
  only 55% of American millennials think communism was, and still is, a problem.
  
  What I find even more shocking was how few understood that the whole raison d’être of the German National Socialists was to act as a bulwark and protect the European people from the bloodthirsty communist hordes.
  
  How many people for instance know that the Frankfurt School of Marxism had to relocate to Columbia University in 1935?
  
  How many people know that National Socialism was the complete opposite of International Socialism/Globalism?
  
  I guess the victors really must write the story!
  
  “Communism and internationalism are in truth and in fact great virtues. Judaism may be justly proud of these virtues” – Harry Watan, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 80
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:19am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    You missed a good post. Work commitments?
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:51am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Have been on holiday the past 2 weeks ABS so very little kiwibloging. I see you made some very pointed and well made comments on that thread yesterday. Well played.
      
      FWIW, I find taking a week away from the 24/7 news cycle and breathless MSM every 3 months a great way to reflect, contemplate and continue to develop perspective.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:48pm
- Jack5
  
  Again trotting out the Nazi line on Jews and communism, EAD?
  
  Bolshevik leaders who weren’t Jewish included Lenin, Stalin, Budonny, Dzerzhinsky, Krylenko, Lounatcharski, Voroshilov, Molotov, Bogdanov …
  
  According to Wikipedia, in 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (in the rival socialist party, the Mensheviks, 34% were Russian and and 20% were Jewish.)
  
  Some Nazis even blame Freemasons (persecuted by Nazis and Communists) for promoting the Bolshevik revolution.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:49pm
insider

Great news that NZ has won another case in one of those sovereignty sucking international trade tribunals – the WTO. So while MLP is off lecturing APEC like an unreformed student politician about how evil capitalism is and we will never forgo our ability to legislate, David Parker has to welcome the win through gritted teeth.
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November 10, 2017 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  Not worth the paper its written on. It will just be ignored or another excuss found to ban imports. Remember this is a moslim country so they are allway right and can do no wrong.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:59am
  - insider
    
    I understand it was a populist move that backfired because redang sellers in Jakarta are struggling to get good quality beef at a competitive price.
    
    Your fears are exactly the reason we need independent tribunals. Labour doesn’t realize that Asians and Latin Americans fear our legal system as much as we worry about theirs
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:20am
    - Paulus
      
      Indonesia are getting huge supplies of Buffalo meat from India which is cheaper than beef from New Zealand.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:45pm
Manolo

The hacks’ wet dream:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2017/11/09/washpost-imagines-what-if-hillary-had-won-two-alternate-timelines
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November 10, 2017 9:07am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Hillary is still a delusional lying grifter.
  
  SHE’S STILL NOT PRESIDENT
  
  HA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HAHA HA HA
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:27am
  - VicParking
    
    Not enough HaHa’s
    HaHa, HaHa, HaHa, HaHam
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:00am
JibberJabber

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11942451

LooL, Gareth for Prime Minister.
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November 10, 2017 9:08am
LisaGinNZ

Meanwhile, the big boys are making big deals… will China keep their end of it? (who knows)…

President Trump has LEVERAGE over the Chinese now….

Can you say #MAGA with BILLIONS of dollars at STAKE?!

more here: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/11/09/trump-presses-china-on-trade/#more-141123
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November 10, 2017 9:22am
- VicParking
  
  Exact opposite to what CNN is saying. I pity Americans. How does anyone over there find out the truth about anything.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:02am
softail 1450

this country is controlled by the “right”.
a right prick that goes by the name of winston fricking peters .
I look forward to him having his feet exposed to the fire in parliament for all the blatant lies he told during the election.
he never ever intended to go with national the lying sack of dog shite,we have this govt because of winstons bald face lying to voters.
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November 10, 2017 9:22am
- Flash
  
  Did you assume he would? Even if he said so?
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:42am
  - peterwn
    
    Whaleoil was telling everyone that Winston would never go with the Greens (as Winston & co + Labour < National, so those who wanted National + hardened immigration policies + a few other Winston goodies voted Winston and were gobsmacked when Winston went with Labour. One born every minute.
    Winston needed two alternative parties to negotiate with. An auction is useless if there is one bidder only. So Winston had no option but to negotiate with National even if he had no intention of running with them. That is not dishonest – it is savvy negotiating tactics. The one thing that could have the scared the pants off Winston is if the Greens started chatting with National. But that never happened and was not going to happen no matter what James personally thought about it. So Winston could ignore that possibility.
    
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    November 10, 2017 3:29pm
Morrissey

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Ten Reasons We Got Rid of the Nasty Party
No. 6: Paula “Snitch” Bennett

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/306440/bennett-refuses-to-resign-over-leak

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11926410
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November 10, 2017 9:23am
- ross411
  
  Guilty until proven innocent, right Morrisey?
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:38am
  - Gabby
    
    Collect rent and the dpb until someone snitches, right woss?
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:05pm
- flipper
  
  ‘ Morrissey…. …..
  Was it born a stupid, or is it an act ??
  I suspect he/it has a medical condition that defies modern medicine. Fucking idiot purveying Fraser House bullshit. Back to Kindy….
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:21am
softail 1450

moronissey ,get a life ,and a job.
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November 10, 2017 9:29am
- Morrissey
  
  Got both, thanks.
  
  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fPr7T7Llbpk/TKUgdsw3tXI/AAAAAAAAA6M/vhrvt281euM/s400/have_a_nice_day-3782.gif
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:33am
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The amalgamated and therefore bureaucratically bloated Auckland Council … like its non – performing Christchurch counterpart …

Consent delays bring Auckland Council apology | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/98713123/consent-delays-bring-auckland-council-apology

Staff quitting and increasing complexity are some of the reasons building consents have hit “unacceptable” delays, Auckland Council said.

The council’s regulatory services director Penny Pirrit and building consents general manager Ian McCormick said on Thursday that average processing times had jumped by four days in recent months.

“It’s unacceptable, I’m embarrassed to be here telling you about it,” McCormick told a press conference. … read more via hyperlink above …
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KiwiBuild doubts raised: building boss blames consent delays – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11939992

The head of a big land and housing development business has questioned the Government’s KiwiBuild plan to build 50,000 new Auckland residences in a decade, saying consenting processes are causing significant delays to the much lower work flows.

Nigel Richards, general manager of McConnell Property which works in commercial property and land development, raised doubts about the practicality of the scheme at an event in Auckland last night. … read more via hyperlink above.
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Outrage at Auckland Council spending $46 million on comms | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/outrage-auckland-council-spending-46-million-comms

They have never bothered to ask why the smaller Councils of Waimakariri and Selwyn ‘saved’ Greater Christchurch following the earthquakes with their responsiveness … while the bureaucratically bloated Christchurch Council is still not performing … and wont until it is de-amalgamated.

There are two types of local government … the small and the bad.
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November 10, 2017 9:30am
- VicParking
  
  Hello goodbye, come on KB’s its been 30 minutes and only 13 downticks.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:04am
- flipper
  
  Go away stale pavlova.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:22am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Thank you Rodney Hide for the amalgamated Auckland Council disaster.
    
    Why did the deadbeat Tories go along with this ?
    
    Sheep.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:29am
    - stigie
      
      Fuck Hugh !
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:32am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      A former Christchurch Central Labour MP Brendon Burns opinions in The Press early 2012 …
      
      Better communication can shine a light in the darkness | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness
      
      … extract …
      
      … For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.
      
      To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:35am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Please read carefully what I wrote recently …
        
        … To my fellow Tories …the irresponsible protectionist ones …
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_8_november_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2071862
        
        DUMB IS NOT BEAUTIFUL KIWIBLOGGERS (KIWI TORIES) …
        
        Isn’t it interesting New Zealand is in the broad sense the global leader in politically restoring housing affordability … as I explained to Heather du Plessis Alan on radio mid last year … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:42am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Hugh, matter of record the process in Auckland was start by your Saint Helen1 with an Enquiry unto future governance of Auckland. The recommendation was the thing Aucklanders were bequeathed.
      As you allude to, being in opposition provides a perfect opportunity for National to develop proper local government solutions for all NZ’s cities and regions. Now go & find a village somewhere that is short of its idiot, it needs you.
      
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      November 10, 2017 11:08am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hullkiwi … So the deadbeat Tories … with Rodney Hide asleep at the wheel as Minister of Local Government at the time … really just followed in the footsteps of Helen Clark.
        
        The Key government was very much a follow on to the Clark government.
        
        Key was actually elected in 2008 to sort out the messes of the Clark government … but as we learned subsequently, Key was only interested in the glory of it all.
        
        It was all very sad.
        
        Deadbeat Tories.
        
        Losers.
        
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        November 10, 2017 11:33am
      - hullkiwi
        
        So pavloner, are you telling us Saint Helen left nothing but a mess for Key to clean up?
        
        There you have it folks from a cheer leader of the left, Clark (&Winnie) bequeathed a mess to Key.
        
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        November 10, 2017 12:13pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hullkiwi … I was constantly at war with the Clark crowd and very much supported National publicly up to and beyond the 2008 election.
        
        Don Brash provided the Introducion to the 2009 Demographia Survey. Bill English the 2013 one.
        
        Its all on the record … check out my website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Then John Key let us all down early 2009.
        
        He didn’t have what it takes … just a political eunuch … as it turned out.
        
        All very sad indeed.
        
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        November 10, 2017 2:03pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Why the best workers are fleeing Sydney – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11942702
        
        There has never been a better time to be a highly skilled worker in search of a corner office, but new data shows tech and finance employees are eager to leave Sydney.
        
        Economist at jobs site Indeed, Callam Pickering, recently conducted an analysis of job seeker behaviour and found around nine per cent of clicks by STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) job seekers in New South Wales were for jobs posted in other states.
        
        “By comparison, only six per cent of clicks for New South Wales STEM job postings were coming from job seekers living in other states,” Pickering said.
        
        “With the exception of South Australia, STEM job seekers in NSW are the most likely group to search for work interstate.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Following New Zealand … housing affordability becoming the dominant political issue in Australia …
        
        From boom to gloom: how rising house prices have become a worry … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        http://www.smh.com.au/comment/from-boom-to-gloom-how-rising-house-prices-have-become-a-worry-20171103-gzeh8r.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … The latest Ipsos Issues Monitor, which asks respondents to select the three most important issues facing the community, shows housing has jumped from sixth place in Victoria to second place since 2014.
        
        In NSW, housing has topped the list of concerns for the past three quarters. Half of NSW respondents now rate housing as one of the nation’s most important challenges compared with less than a third in 2014.
        
        Other polls have drawn attention to the growing public unease about housing costs. An Essential Vision survey that asks respondents nationally to nominate the “three most important issues for government” shows housing affordability climbed from sixth ranking to second between 2014 and 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Late January report …
        
        Five Aussie cities named ‘worst in the world’ for affordable housing | The New Daily
        
        http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/01/24/housing-affordability-demographia/
        
        Australian politicians have sleepwalked into a housing affordability “crisis” because they were hooked on property taxes and votes, a think tank has warned.
        
        Demographia, a global company based in the US, released an annual report this week that ranked Sydney as the second-most expensive city for housing in the world. …
        
        … Wayne Matthew, the Australian spokesman for Demographia, told The New Daily that our politicians are “only just starting to realise” the extent of the problem. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 10, 2017 7:40pm
Manolo

The Titanic’s captain speaking:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/top-party-candidate-told-to-resign/ar-BBEMedb?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

The Opportunities Party founder Gareth Morgan has told one of his former list candidates to resign from the party, telling her in an email she was a pain in the arse.
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November 10, 2017 9:47am
- VicParking
  
  I’m not a Gareth fan but going by her interview on Red radio she is an almighty pain in the arse.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:06am
- ross411
  
  Guess opportunities are only afforded to those who kowtow to the dictator’s avarice. Otherwise, you’re out on your ear.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:11am
  - Flash
    
    Our society is crowded out with people who have an opinion and shout it from the treetops. That is fine, but if they want to be part of a group (i.e. ToP) they have to play by the rules. And if the leader says no, then shut up or they WILL be ousted.
    I couldn’t care less about ToP or its creator, but the principle remains.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:49am
Manolo

Enriching Australia the multiculturalist way:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5063809/Migrants-instructed-not-beat-wives-harm-children.html

Domestic violence researchers want immigrants to be told not to bash their wives or children upon entering Australia.
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November 10, 2017 9:49am
- Brito
  
  We have a dear chap from Somalia who, before arriving in NZ as an immigrant/refugee spent time in a Kenyan jail for rape.
  
  Now he’s done the same thing here and he’s about to be released back into the community. The judge who made this possible needs to be sent to Somalia covered in honey, holding a handbag and wearing high heels.
  
  See how long the judicial system there takes in deciding he should be taken to a high place and taught to fly.
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:58am
  - GoVege
    
    Somalia has a government now.
    Why can’t all those Somalian refugees go home now?
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:27am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘before arriving in NZ as an immigrant/refugee spent time in a Kenyan jail for rape.’
    
    Impossible. Our gubmint assure us that we get only the very carefully vetted ones!
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:36am
- GoVege
  
  They tried to do something similar here for all the wife and child bashing Polynesian immigrants, but for some reason the authorities weren’t interested.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:18am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    They vote Labour
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:39am
Inandout

Our local media are under instruction to rark up the Manus story, with photos they hope will pull at our heartstrings. It won’t happen of course because (a) we don’t believe their shit, and (b) we don’t care where those angry migrants go; but not here.
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November 10, 2017 10:07am
- Morrissey
  
  Here’s our friend “Inandout” writing a fevered letter to the editor in 1944….
  
  Our local newspapers are under instruction to rark up the Jewish refugees’ story, with photos they hope will pull at our heartstrings. It won’t happen of course because (a) we don’t believe their shit, and (b) we don’t care where those angry migrants go; but not here.
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:12am
  - Inandout
    
    Strange reply on your part that you equate intelligent, hard working Jews of that time with angry, knuckle dragging fighting losers on Manus who should just piss off to PNG.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:18am
    - GoVege
      
      We don’t know that they are all “knuckle-draggers”.
      Some must be capable of being hard-working citizens.
      Instead of getting some twit from Immigration to interview them, they should have trained psychologists assessing them to see if they are capable of integrating here.
      In fact all prospective immigrants should be.
      
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      November 10, 2017 11:04am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Skills that can’t be found here already?
        
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        November 10, 2017 4:33pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    There are Jews detained on Manus Island? Well…. I had no idea the islamasation of Australia was going so well.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:53am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Difference, those Jews were indeed refugees. Manus has nothing but illegal economic migrants who can leave Manus any time they like as long as they agree to go home. Hell, the Australians will even pay them to go home – but I guess there won’t be the welfare benefits available at home.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:46pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Queue jumping economic migrants!
      
      The refugees waiting in the official process to be sent to a safe place must be very pissed off with those queue jumpers who demand unofficial special treatment!
      
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      November 10, 2017 3:55pm
  - Brito
    
    Morrissey, you disgust me. One day I hope you live to eat your words.
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:07pm
EAD_TWO

Oy Vey!

For decades people who have pointed out that the Bolshevik Revolution was actually a Jewish takeover of Russia (whom they then proceeded to slaughter en masse) have laughably been labelled as “anti-semites” and “conspiracy theorists”

Yesterday the Times of Israel admitted “Well ok, sure the Bolsheviks were Jewish, but they didn’t have a choice”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-museum-gives-the-full-picture-of-jewish-role-in-1917-russian-revolution/
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November 10, 2017 10:21am
Inandout

One of morriseys favourites:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98686201/refugee-considered-dangerous-enough-to-deport-could-soon-be-back-on-the-streets
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November 10, 2017 10:24am
- Longknives
  
  And Jacinda is going to flood our Country with thousands more just like him!
  Bizarre that she calls herself a ‘Feminist’…
  
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  November 10, 2017 10:51am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    ‘Feminist’ these days simply means hating straight white men. Anyone else, POC, Muslims, Queers et al are obviously oppressed by the white cis-hetero patriarchy and as such commit crimes out of frustration at the constant oppression.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t think I have the stomach for looking at/listening to Parliament when it is in session, so I find Pete George’s transcripts of some Question Time material very useful.
https://yournz.org/2017/11/10/minister-of-finance-refuses-to-commit-to-campaign-promises/
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November 10, 2017 10:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  The only ones that would ever be held to account would be National. Good to see National having a bit of fun after all their hard work, they have the ethic, now they will have some time to formulate going forward.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Lebanon about to blow?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/saudi-arabia-issues-travel-alert-lebanon-171109143454070.html
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November 10, 2017 10:45am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Saudi’s opening up a new battle front with Iran, because they are losing on every other one.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:00am
- kowtow
  
  Turnbull will have to send the RAAF to pick up thousands of “Australians” who live there , again.
  Poor old Australian taxpayer. Pays for their benefits while they reside in Lebanon (from where they fled as “refugees”) and their return trip from their real home.
  Why they put up with it I don’t know.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:33am
Brito

I was just listening to Growlalot Gobernosivich (the Green MP – can’t be arsed remembering her name).

Anyway, she said that when she was at Oxford she got the prayer at evening meals dropped. Her rationale was that not everybody subscribed to the prayer.

Now, I suggest she go back to Iraq (or wherever) and ask the noisy bastard who keeps climbing to the top of a tower and calling everybody to prayer, to stop. His response would be to embrace her and gently push her into oblivion, and then continue with his calling.

Where the fuck did she get this entitled right to dictate to others what was right or wrong? Does having a clitoris fuck you up that much? I’d love to have some women comment because I’m genuinely puzzled.
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November 10, 2017 11:02am
- Maxx
  
  Neither agreeing or disagreeing with you (just don’t care) but I’m sure the statement “Does having a clitoris fuck you up that much” really open up women with a contrasting opinion to converse with you.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:19am
  - Brito
    
    Actually Maxx, I don’t care if one has an opinion or not because apparently being a cisgender white male is the worst possible assignment any gender can have.
    
    I think the whole social system needs a rather large adjustment and it will be diluted further if this lot let the muslims of Manis Island into my country.
    
    When will women get it? The muslim does not respect you. The muslim has more time for his camel and his goat than he does for his women (plural – he’s allowed multiple wives).
    
    If things go bang here one day, whose fault will it be. I bet it will be whitey, the cisgender male who caused the problem (in their myopic eyes).
    
    Bah!!!!!
    
    Have a lovely day ladies.
    
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    November 10, 2017 11:24am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      That’s is very racist Brito. You clearly have no understanding of Muslim culture.
      A camel is not going to feed and brush itself. It takes a lot of time to feed and groom one of those animals.
      A woman on the other hand, she does that all herself.
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:21pm
      - Brito
        
        I never used to be racist, sexist, ageist, cisgenderist, homophobic…I could go on.
        
        But now if I dare venture an opinion outside of the new norm I am (according to any person who is not white, male, heterosexual- do I have to go on)?
        
        So pass me the fucking hat and if it fits, I’ll wear it.
        
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        November 10, 2017 12:49pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      “When will women get it? The muslim does not respect you. The muslim has more time for his camel and his goat than he does for his women (plural – he’s allowed multiple wives).”
      
      Well understood by anyone with any common sense. Not a lot of that about in either sexes who encourage diversity apparently!
      
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      November 10, 2017 5:27pm
  - GoVege
    
    Perhaps Brito was making the point that women from the area of the world that Green MP came from are blinking lucky if they still have their clitoris….
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:22pm
    - softail 1450
      
      well stated vege ,i can’t believe your latest comments ,you are talking sense .
      have you had an epiphany moment
      or a big feed of steak ?
      
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      November 10, 2017 2:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        I eat fish, Softail.
        Very good for the brain. 🙂
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:14pm
- Brito
  
  And if this country is so bad that it needs to change, then why be here. Fuck off!!!!
  
  And women want a quota system for employment. That’s illegal and will see signs like “Women need not apply”, proliferate.
  
  What the fuck is wrong with you lot????
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:19am
  - GoVege
    
    It’s human nature, Brito.
    They’re actually ashamed of and embarrassed by many aspects of their home cultures, so to cover their shame, they pretend their customs are OK.
    My sis had a Muslim friend from SE Asia who had been genitally mutilated.
    She had a different guy every week because she couldn’t have a normal sex life, and struggled with depression.
    But when asked about her “operation”, she claimed it had made things better for her sexually, and she planned to have her daughters mutilated too.
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:33pm
    - Brito
      
      I weep for the world when I read this type of stuff. Hey, lets import the problem here.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:37pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Not all of us agree with quotas for anyone. I believe in the best person for the job. ?
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:29pm
    - Brito
      
      Up ticks to you.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:08pm
- GoVege
  
  What a frigging nerve….going to a civilized country and telling them how to run the place!
  I’m sure she was just on a high exercising her new-found freedom.
  Whether she likes it or not, the reason England is a peaceful, successful culture is largely because of the principles espoused in those prayers she got removed.
  I’d put it down to youthful ignorance, Brito.
  The British should have told her where to go, but as usual, they’re too polite.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:27am
  - MCos
    
    “What a frigging nerve….going to a civilized country and telling them how to run the place!”
    Doesn’t happen here does it?
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:32pm
    - GoVege
      
      Of course it happens here, MCos.
      A bunch of Island guys once tried to get Philip Field’s help to let them have the right to beat the cr*p out of their kids but he told them where to go.
      Very sad to see what happened to him.
      Obviously accepting a bit of “koha” is far more serious and harmful than beating your children half to death.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:38pm
    - Gabby
      
      Comped tue tha Depublik we awrnt civilozzed, just osk cmmiebokkie.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:54pm
      - Brito
        
        What are wearing tonight Gobby? Send photos. I promise not to share them on every media site know to human kind.
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  No it doesn’t.
  I am sure that she is doing her God’s work. I hope he doesn’t frown on fornication outside of marriage, I can not see a red blooded kiwi male, such as her b/f from not partaking.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:58am
- Rodney Randall
  
  The same c@#t said “I’d fight to the death for a womens right to wear the Hijab.”
  
  Supreme C×÷T
  
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  November 10, 2017 2:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Does having a clitoris fuck you up that much?
  
  Do you know many women/girls, Brito?
  
  Do you think we all think the same?
  
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  November 10, 2017 4:09pm
  - itstricky
    
    I think we can summarise Brito’s post as “women are not allowed to have an opinion”. One step removed from starboard.
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:50pm
    - Brito
      
      Fuck of sticky.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:09pm
    - Brito
      
      Starboard will come back and haunt you for that one.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:43pm
    - starboard
      
      Shut ya pie hole itsdrippy.
      Hows home d treating ya?
      Aw well that will learn ya, stealing g strings from ya neighbours clotheslines…filthy pervert.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:01pm
    - Brito
      
      Told ya fag breath.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:20pm
  - itstricky
    
    And 17 upticks. Quite the popular. Ah Kiwiblog, only the mean commie lefties get personal at The Standard, as I regularly read.
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:52pm
  - Brito
    
    Mags, this shit is affecting women I’ve known for years and years.
    
    You all seem to have either jumped on the band wagon or you’ve all gone strangely quiet.
    
    We’re are the protests? Nowhere!!!!
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:27pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “Where the fuck did she get this entitled right to dictate to others what was right or wrong? Does having a clitoris fuck you up that much? I’d love to have some women comment because I’m genuinely puzzled.”
  
  Nothing to do with being female Brito. ?
  The sense of entitlement is strong in that one. ?
  
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  November 10, 2017 5:23pm
Manolo

Stop the press. The smoke seller can solve everything:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4876328/pope-francis-north-korea-nuclear-latest-kim-jong-un/

The Pope is gathering officials and peaceniks as he tries to save the world from nuclear disaster amid the West’s standoff with North Korea.

The holyman will address a conference at the Vatican tomorrow to try to temper the war of words between Donald Trump and despotic Kim Jong-un.
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November 10, 2017 11:29am
Digmen1

Those Manus island guys all look pretty well fed to me.

I cant wait till the PNG government deadline comes and the place is emptied out.

Do the natives still have those poisoned arrows?
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November 10, 2017 11:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  Machetes seem to be preferred these days.
  Ouch.
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:14pm
hullkiwi

Thanks to Paulaus this morning, I did some counting and realised that NZ’s Electoral system (with the race based seats for Maori) & MMP can give you some incredibly perverse results.

As evidence, I give the region of Northland (from the fringes of Albany) to North Cape it is region of circa 100,000 people, it has 3 general constituency seats, and 1 Maori seat. But here is the best bit it now has 10 MPs that represent the region. 3 of the MPs are National & 7 are cluster f****r MPs. Only Davis represents a seat, the rest are bloody list MPs, & of those 7, 4 are in cabinet.
So, with this level of over representation, what are my chances of seeing:
1. North Rodney being given its own District Council (ie being able to give the finger to Auckland);
2. Getting enough money to seal every goat track of a road in the region;
3. Getting SH1 from Warkworth to Whangarei turned into a proper State Highway, rather than a goat track with seal on it; and
4. Local & central government developing an agreed strategy for regional development for the north, rather than leaving the field clear for that prize duplicitous prick Peters to play Pork Barrel politics with the north, using North port v Auckland as an example. As if that will solve anything in Kaitaia or Kaikohe.

Just shows how poor our governments have been and how screwed up our electoral system is.
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November 10, 2017 11:36am
- Brito
  
  NOW I AM DEPRESSED!!!!
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Brito, sorry, but how do you think I feel about it & my family lives in Rodney?
    At a push you could also count Helensville.
    
    Also depressing:
    1. Martin finished a distant 3rd in the electoral race in Rodney & is in cabinet;
    2. Jones finished 3rd in the electoral race in Whangarei & is in cabinet;
    3. Then in Rodney, the Labour was a long way back in second & became a list Mp;
    4. There is another NZLast MP from Rodney, that was not an electorate candidate & nobody has heard of (except Winnie Poo);
    5. The Labour electoral candidate finished 3rd in Northland & still became a list MP.
    
    Given the above, there isn’t much you can say except MMP is a fucked system & gives perverse results.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:33pm
    - Brito
      
      GIN!!! I need a GIN!!!
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:11pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Sorry Rachael, but did you travel on SH1? The road works you wrote about, I’m guessing is the Puhoi to Warkworth link? The new motorway ends just south of the road from Kaipara Flats & that is it, it will be tolled & is not due for completion until 2021. The proposed motorway to Wellsford is not final & given the change of govt is unlikely to happen until National are back in power! Further north, it is a bumpy sealed track & it is meant to be the major link to the far north?
        
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        November 10, 2017 5:27pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        You & me both. I was sick when I realised the score in the north.
        
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        November 10, 2017 5:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    Slip into your yankidolla jockstrap and you’ll feel much bedda Bitcho.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:49pm
    - Brito
      
      Done.
      And you are right.
      
      What type do you wear? Send photos maybe?
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:22pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I went from Warkworth to Whangarei just the other day to see for myself, it looked okay, certainly not a goat track and the roadworks is cracking along nicely I thought.
  No-one need do anymore than has been set in motion.
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Lot better than it used to be Rachael. I don’t know what they are complaining about. Sure we’d all like a motorway but Northland will have to wait their turn.
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:35pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Should remove the seal and turn it back into a gravel road like the old days. That would soon sort the traffic issues – no one would want to use it much !
  
  I think sections of the Dome Valley weren’t sealed until the early 60’s but not sure. Certainly the old Brynderwyns part of SH1 was pretty narrow and winding back then.
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:59pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ed thanks. Yes you are correct. SH10 was not completed until the late 1970s.
    
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    November 10, 2017 5:37pm
- marcw
  
  If they have 100,000 in the region, then there are 4,500,000 who don’t. Why would the 100,000 be given special benefits? It’s all in proportion Hullkiwi, 1 in 45.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:14pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tell me then how, did we end up with 10 MPs out of 120 and 4 cabinet ministers out of a cabinet of 20.
    
    I am not asking for special benefits, I just found it perverse how Northland has ended up being so over represented. Further, the result is made all the more perverse in that, with the exception of Te Tai Tokerau, the clusterf*****s didn’t win a single vote/race on election day. Yet somehow they came away collectively with 7 MPs, 4 of which are in cabinet.
    
    The result in the Northland region, must also mean that other regions of the country have a lack of representation,
    
    The problems of Northland are the same as East Coast and Westland, being:
    isolated;
    leads to rural to urban drift;
    leads to continual under investment;
    leads to lack of opportunities for under educated youth; and
    the cycle repeats.
    
    All I really want is for North Rodney, is to be separated away from Auckland. Auckland is screwing Rodney for rates and spending money on making the Auckland Isthmus and West Auckland “the most liveable city in the world”.
    
    Auckland SuperCity is a botched up and poor man’s Auckland Province with bits of Waikato and Northland farming district added in to give some real GDP to a poor performing Auckland.
    
    I write this despite being a born and educated Aucklander, who works in Auckland.
    
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    November 10, 2017 10:39pm
Digmen1

I see the Herald has another weekly fruit & vege too dear drop the GST aricle today.

Even if potatoes were $1 a kg and cabbages 50 cents, people would still prefer takeaways as its quicker and easier and it tastes better.
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November 10, 2017 11:38am
- GoVege
  
  Some of them don’t know how to cook, Digmen, coz mum and dad were at the pub/pokies/bingo/etc most nights.
  Then you have the Polynesian families where many of the mums work night-shift.
  A lot of their men won’t “lower” themselves to doing “women’s work” while mum is out of the house, or else they’re too busy following their own chauvinist pursuits, so the kids get sent out for takeaways.
  That’s why we have a diabetes epidemic among Polynesians.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:56am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    That’s and excuse not an alibi.
    
    Just call it what it is, they are lazy and backward.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      Not really, Padriv.
      I’d call it sheer ignorance.
      Polynesians are actually very hard working.
      It is very shameful in their culture to be unemployed.
      But on the homefront, most males expect their women to be virtual slaves.
      Makes it hard for them to adjust when mum works night-shift, and there are no older girls to do the cooking and housework.
      
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      November 10, 2017 12:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Polynesians are actually very hard working.
        It is very shameful in their culture to be unemployed.
        But on the homefront, most males expect their women to be virtual slaves.”
        
        So man-pigs are expected to be very hard working, or be shamed, while women are victims for being expected to pull their weight ?
        
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        November 10, 2017 12:33pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        How long has it been since they climbed off the Palm tree and moved to NZ. Still have not learned anything, or is it that they don’t want to work.
        Donkeys are also very hard working, but not exactly smart.
        
        Also. “shameful in their culture to be unemployed.”
        Lol have you ever been to south Auckland?!
        
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        November 10, 2017 12:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        Padriv: I have lived in South Auckland for 25 years and in close proximity to Maori and Polynesians.
        The unemployed are mostly Maori.
        No Pacific Islander would admit to being unemployed.
        They look very similar but their cultures are quite different in many ways.
        
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        November 10, 2017 1:25pm
      - Longknives
        
        “Polynesians are actually very hard working.”
        
        I just showed this comment to a Samoan mate of mine.
        He laughed his arse off…
        
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        November 10, 2017 3:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        LK: is your Samoan mate on the dole?
        Every race has a few drunken losers… 🙂
        
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        November 10, 2017 4:46pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Or instead of working they could pull an armed robbery on a dairy worker or liquor outlet.
        
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        November 10, 2017 6:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        WG: That’s usually only the kids whose chauvinist fathers have deserted the family, who knock over dairies and petrol stations.
        Which is why we need to hold the jerks who do this accountable.
        
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        November 10, 2017 6:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        Padriv: I’m curious as to why you think I don’t live in South Auckland.
        Not everyone here speaks English as a second language.
        
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        November 10, 2017 6:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    “That’s why we have a diabetes epidemic among Polynesians.”
    
    Oh here is a new one folks. Man-pigs cause diabetes too LOL 🙂
    
    You silly angry harpie Vege.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:36pm
    - GoVege
      
      It’s true, RC.
      But the women are just as likely to shovel tons of food into their kids, though it’s usually healthier than what the guys feed the kids.
      I have known a few dads who insist their kids eat healthy food though.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:20pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        You are so full of shit.
        
        “I’ve lived in south Auckland for 25 years ago and only Maori are unemployed.”
        
        I bet a lot that you don’t even know how to get to Otara without a GPS.
        
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        November 10, 2017 1:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        I have not only lived in South Auckland for over 25 years dear Padrov, I work all over South Auckland as well.
        That’s how I know that most Pacific Islanders hold down jobs, and the unemployed are “mostly” Maori.
        I am approached by beggars every week…always Maori.
        And I always give to them because I know what terrible abusive upbringings many of them have had.
        
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        November 10, 2017 3:24pm
    - Paulus
      
      Diabetes is also a Genetic condition – particularly the A strain.
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        True.
        Polynesians are more susceptible to our diseases.
        Read “Devil in the Milk” by Keith Woodford.
        
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        November 10, 2017 4:47pm
Digmen1

The Herald would spend its time better if they found out why food is cheaper in Australia even though their wages are higher there!

Who is overcharging?
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November 10, 2017 11:39am
- waikatosinger
  
  At a guess, the Aussie owned supermarkets?
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:15pm
- Inandout
  
  The wages are much higher in Oz, and their new houses are much cheaper than here. How come?
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:38pm
  - GoVege
    
    Ozzies don’t take sh*t the way Kiwis do, Inandout.
    Once when I was over there, they tried to raise the price of petrol, but had to take it back down the next day because the petrol station workers were copping so much abuse. 🙂
    And once when they tried to bring in an Oz equivalent of the ECA, half a million Ozzies marched on Sydney.
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:44pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      …half a million Ozzies marched on Sydney.
      
      You can’t do that in NZ because there’s no public transport.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:42pm
      - Brito
        
        Seemingly the same in Sydney because they had to walk. Salty you’re a tosser.
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:32pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Economy of scale.
    
    Even though NZ’s economy has done better than Aussie’s in the last 9 or so years – in part because of the good governance of the Key-English government and the poor alternatives over the other side of the ditch – on balance Australia should always be a wealthier nation, with higher wages and lower prices than NZ.
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:47pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      Sorry, that is bullshit where food is concerned.
      
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      November 10, 2017 9:44pm
      - Brito
        
        Fuck off salty.
        
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        November 10, 2017 10:31pm
- Paulus
  
  Simply Australia is a much larger (5 times) market than ours.
  Called competition.
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:55pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, that’s why I have always said that we need about 20 million people here in NZ.
    
    All spread out, and well educated, trained and non mulsim.
    
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    November 10, 2017 3:59pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’d rather grow me own veges than risk diluting our gender-equal, free society with 16 more million… 🙂
      
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      November 10, 2017 7:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d rather grow me own veges
        You have to watch for inbreeding depression.
        
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        November 10, 2017 7:27pm
waikatosinger

Have you guys read this?
Apparently our new government is “far right” according to the Washington Post. Unbelievable!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/11/08/how-the-far-right-is-poisoning-new-zealand/?utm_term=.f9e6e4b6797c

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/09-11-2017/the-shocking-truth-washington-post-reveals-the-far-right-agenda-of-the-new-labour-led-government/
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November 10, 2017 12:02pm
AgentBallSack

According to NASA there is a super volcano under Antarctica the size of Yellowstone causing the ice sheets to melt. And here I was about to pay my first dollar into the Global Warming slush fund.
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November 10, 2017 12:08pm
- realityczech
  
  Don’t panic the ice is at record levels.
  
  Nasa: https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘A 2014 University of Texas study found western Antarctica was a literal hotbed for geothermal heat. Researchers concluded that “large areas at the base of Thwaites Glacier are actively melting in response to geothermal flux consistent with rift-associated magma migration and volcanism.”
  The following year, another team of U.S. scientists found there’s a huge amount of geothermal heat under western antarctica. “The high geothermal heat flux may help to explain why ice streams and subglacial lakes are so abundant and dynamic in this region,” the study found.
  Earlier this year, Scottish researchers found 91 previously unidentified volcanoes under the Antarctic ice sheet, including one that’s some 13,000 feet tall.’
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/07/nasa-has-more-evidence-volcanic-activity-is-heating-up-antarcticas-ice-sheet/
  
  91 Volcanoes!!!
  Yet one of our alarmist morons has form for rubbishing this evidence.
  Guess he looks reaaal stupid now!
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:18pm
  - cmm
    
    SUV drivers cause volcanoes, especially on Mars.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:52pm
- waikatosinger
  
  If you want to visit a supervolcano the size of yellowstone, just hop in a car and drive to Rotorua or Taupo. Yellowstone has nothing to teach us about volcanos. Ours are bigger and meaner and erupt more often than anywhere else on earth.
  
  Volcanic eruptions are classified by a volcanic explosivity index which classifies them on a scale from the smallest VEI-0 to the largest VEI-8.
  
  The most recent VEI-8 eruption in the world was the Taupo Oruanui eruption 26,500 years ago which deposited 1,170 cubic kilometers of ash and magma across most of the the North Island. Taupo erupted again in the Hatepe eruption of AD180. But that was a only a VEI-7 ejecting a mere 120 cubic kilometers of material. By comparison our largest historical volcanic eruption, the Mt Tarawera eruption of 1886, was a VEI-5 (same as the 1980 Mt St Helens eruption in the US) and ejected only 2 cubic kilometers of material.
  
  Interesting that they’ve found one under the ice in Antarctica. But I’m not sure how significant this really is since thankfully (as the people living in Taupo and Rotorua can attest) when they are not actually erupting their impact is not all that great.
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:54pm
  - GoVege
    
    Yeah…just wait til Auckland blows! 🙂
    
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    November 10, 2017 1:46pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Taupo is pretty scary, and looks like we’re well overdue for another eruption given usual recurrence:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupo_Volcano
    
    Wonder if we could tap into it and suck out enough heat geothermally to prevent it blowing up?
    
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    November 10, 2017 2:02pm
cmm

Another dopey judge:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98746877/babysitter-murder-trial-base-verdict-on-trial-by-jury-no-trial-by-expertise-jurors-told

The jury have been told to take cultural factors into account… WTF?

I wonder if I, a white ex-South African, was up for ill treatment of non-white person I could say that was accepted in the culture I was brought up in.

What next? Get out of jail cards for making bro-burgers?
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November 10, 2017 12:34pm
- rangitoto
  
  If I were on that jury I would be sending a question back to the judge for a written definition of “cultural factors”
  
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  November 10, 2017 12:46pm
  - fernglas
    
    I don’t see anywhere in that report where the phrase “cultural factors” is used. It is in fact a bog standard summing-up.
    
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    November 10, 2017 12:58pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Now that I look at the article you are right. Was it changed from what cmm read?
      
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      November 10, 2017 1:02pm
- waikatosinger
  
  The article you linked to had nothing about “cultural factors” in it; it was just the judge telling jury members how to go about evaluating the competing testimony of the expert witnesses.
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Yes, of course it’s terribly culturally insensitive, naive and even OFFENSIVE to suggest that being married off by your family then confined to the home would create “pressure”, because that’s the way they DO things in Fiji.
  A few years ago I read that on average 70 women a day are beaten unconscious and one permanently disabled in Fiji.
  But how offensive to say so.
  
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  November 10, 2017 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  Audio of the judge actually saying this can be heard on RNZ Midday news today: http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018621163 within the first minute.
  
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  November 10, 2017 2:20pm
  - fernglas
    
    I heard the radio announcer talk about cultural factors, not the Judge. The Judge was repeating a Crown submission that the jury could take account of the defendant’s personal circumstances in determining whether she was likely to have suddenly snapped. That is perfectly standard. You can’t blame the Judge if the reporter gets it wrong, or doesn’t understand what’s going on, or tries to put a spin on it to get a rise out of the radio audience.
    
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    November 10, 2017 3:06pm
rangitoto

Five lone wolves detained:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5068167/Notting-Hill-lockdown-amid-live-police-operation.html
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November 10, 2017 12:56pm
Brito

Do you blame these people for telling the truth to the media in China.

These arseholes prey on the weak and the vulnerable.

Our justice system is pathetic. Three strikes and you’re out at least took some of these low life arse wipes off the street.

Where is the protest movement from mainstream New Zealand? At home watching reality tv having a whinge while my country goes down the fucking toilet.

New Zealand sucks and it’s getting worse. Where is the right wing party that is brave enough to stand up to this crap? Where are the erudite, well spoken, people who have a vision and can capture my imagination?

I’m not talking about these alt right extreme supremacist fuckers who grunt and groan and have a love affair with Adolf and his mob. Thoughtful, progressive, demonstrably brave enough people who will stand up to the tide of hate that MSM will pour on them.

Where are you lot????

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98732684/husband-of-mugged-woman-says-courts-failed-to-deliver-justice-to-their-attacker
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November 10, 2017 12:57pm
- Brito
  
  Tell me why you down tick or do you hide behind your left wing bullshit facade???
  
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  November 10, 2017 2:16pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Tell me why you down tick
    
    Because you’re an idiot.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:39pm
    - Brito
      
      Ah mutton bird. A sooty shearwater wrapped in fat and largely indigestible. Too salty and bad for your health.
      
      Get the picture lefty. Your time will come when we take it all back. Until then fuck off.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:24pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/98741932/syria-declares-victory-over-islamic-state-marking-end-of-threeyear-reign

Great news.

All those fighting age males a.k.a. economic migrants can return home and help rebuild their country. Great resettlement programme for the lads on Manus Island
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November 10, 2017 1:07pm
Fletch

This would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. Groups of liberals gathering on the one year anniversary of Trump’s inauguration to scream. Yep, they stand in a circle and scream their despair and frustration. Paul Joseph Watson points out that it is a scene directly from the 1984 movie – the two minutes of hate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloBySIP2FE

Like little children.
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November 10, 2017 1:08pm
big bruv

WTF is going on with all these bloody babies being in the debating chamber?
Has virtue signalling really reached a level where some are going to use children to show just how much better they are than the next person, and even more so if they happen to be a dyke?
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November 10, 2017 1:37pm
- softail 1450
  
  big bruv,it’s fucking sickening ,does this mean that all the labourers on building sights can bring their brats to work ?
  no ,these fucking pollies are “special people”,you either like it or lump it .
  
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  November 10, 2017 2:34pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why doesn’t the Beehive provide a workplace childcare centre like other business’ to help working parents? The babies don’t need to be in the chamber surely. Do the parliamentary support staff get to bring their babies into their workplace on a daily basis? I bet not.
    
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    November 10, 2017 6:31pm
  - RF
    
    What about hookers in a brothel bringing their brats to work.
    
    Female cops on the beat carrying a baby….
    
    The possibilities are endless.
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:22pm
- stigie
  
  It’s all about the feelz BB, it’s all very “nice” but it still wants to make me spew !~
  
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  November 10, 2017 2:34pm
  - Digmen1
    
    If we all spewed at once it would raise sea levels around the globe!
    
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    November 10, 2017 7:02pm
- Longknives
  
  It’s a set-up Bruv! Dozens of screaming babies in the House of Parliament is clearly not appropriate but-
  They are just waiting for someone like Hosking or Richardson to call them out of this bullshit.
  When one of these guys politely asks ‘is this appropriate?’ just watch the Femnazi shitstorm that is unleashed!
  *In other words yep they are using their kids for pointscoring and publicity stunts.
  Aren’t the Left just so classy?
  
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  November 10, 2017 3:33pm
Inandout

Cindy has gone all climate change, now she has lost TPP.
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November 10, 2017 4:02pm
- softail 1450
  
  inandout ,it was fishwife stuff ,eeeeh .
  
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  November 10, 2017 6:13pm
- RF
  
  What about the poverdy…… the poor children have been chucked on the heap of Arderns lies.
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:18pm
stigie

“When one of these guys politely asks ‘is this appropriate”

Yep LK, i can just image Mark Richardson politely asking the question, he may as well be stoned to death by the feelz good holier than thou snowflakes !~
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November 10, 2017 4:03pm
MH

all these doom day predictions. A pox upon ye all-until at least the entrails of Paddles has been divined by our local aruspex The Hon T Mallard.
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November 10, 2017 5:06pm
hullkiwi

You & me both. I was sick when I realised the score in the north.
What shows, is National didn’t do as well in the North as one would think & National have to do the hard yards.
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November 10, 2017 5:32pm
cmm

https://youtu.be/TEXblhkBLV4?t=255

See what a .458Win makes of Jacinda’s mindless slogan.
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November 10, 2017 5:45pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Ouch
  
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  November 10, 2017 5:57pm
softail 1450

OMG did you see the handwringing ,handwringing ,handwringing going on with jacindas latest speech,,one of her handlers has got to have a talk to her about it as its fucking embarrassing …
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November 10, 2017 6:09pm
- Digmen1
  
  Which speech, where, links please?
  
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  November 10, 2017 6:47pm
- Longknives
  
  The handwringing is a bad look- but I suppose it is preferable to when she wags her bony finger at us like a Schoolteacher (Usually preaching that ‘Capitalism has Failed’ or something..)
  
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  November 10, 2017 7:44pm
- RF
  
  Also watch her giving a speech standing up. She sways like a praying mantis.
  
  The commie chic reminds me of someone and it’s just clicked. Remember the cartoons of the evil stepmother / witch dressed in black. Very skinny with dark hooded eyes and big teeth…..
  
  Bingo……
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:16pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    And we thought Key derangement syndrome was bad. You guys are next level.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:36pm
    - Brito
      
      The truth will win out salty seabird.
      
      Back to your lair for a bit of inappropriate touching.
      Go on fuck off now.
      
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      November 10, 2017 10:26pm
nasska

Reading softails 6.09pm reminded me of one of the best rarkups posted on Kiwiblog GD. This occurred at the time there was near war between this blog’s conservatives & a few of us untouchables known as “progs”:

thedavincimode

Meanwhile, across the Pacific, somewhere in the mid West –

Red “Judgement Day’ baiter lept to his feet, the M60 snug against His hip. Almost nonchalantly, He thrust His left foot forward against the dying leftist scum prostrate before Him and braced Himself before squeezing the trigger. The M60 commie killer leapt into life chattering into an ear-splitting crescendo while it spewed a torrent of HOT LEAD at the anti-democracy progressive leftist homo scum hand-wringing themselves towards His position. The ammo belt slid over His lightly greased left forearm. Almost inexplicably it occurred to him that although KY was the first thing He always packed when going away with His boys in case He got into a tight situation, this use wasn’t what He’d originally had in mind.

Almost as suddenly as it had leapt into life, the M60 stopped. The ‘death click’. A hail of angry HOT LEAD immediately descended on him; whining, cursing and spitting at him. “Like those lefty progressive scum on Kiwiblog” He thought. He stood there for a moment longer; defiantly, before ducking to cover. What to do now? “RELOAD”, Sarah’s voice seemed to hiss in his ear.

He turned to His companion for another belt of LEAD DEATH, only to find him cowering in the dirt, jabbering incoherently. “Kris, Kris, of all people” he cursed.

He grimaced and slumped, head in hands. It wasn’t the temple wound. “Hell, it was just a flesh wound” He muttered to Himself. The bullet had gone straight through and exited cleanly out the other side. He knew that as long as he kept a level head there would be no further blood loss. “I get worse headaches reading Kiwiblog” He snorted to himself.

No, it wasn’t the temple wound. It was the realisation, whoops, “realization” He corrected himself, that yet again He was the only One holding the line. “First those soft-cocks from Westboro Baptist didn’t even front at the LZ as promised. Some bullshit about a bring-a-cake fund-raiser. And now Kris”. An almost overwhelming sense of desolation and despair threatened to drown him.

But then he felt it. The sudden warmth emanating from his left breast where He had taped Sarah’s swimsuit photo. “Would She get my letter?” He wondered, thinking of the envelope also taped over His heart and addressed: ‘To Be Opened in the Event of My Glorious Death in a Hail of HOT LEAD Whilst Killing Marxist Scum’. “Would She do the eulogy? What if She had a conflicting appointment at the hairdresser?” “Would She tweet?”

He shook himself back to his senses. “No time for that; you’re carrying on like some progressive homo scum”.

He poised, knowing what awaited him Him but also knowing that He would take a lot more of them with Him. But before He could leap to His feet for the final defiant charge to glory, a familiar voice interrupted Him.

“Russell, for the tenth time your dinner is ready. And its the 16th today and if you haven’t put the rubbish out and done the dishes by nine o’clock, then you can go without it for another month …”

January 16, 2011 1:38pm
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November 10, 2017 6:54pm
Digmen1

I just saw Jacinda at Apec banging on about Climate change and some new word – Responsibilidy

She is living in a country that produces 00.1% of the world carbon dioxide amongst countries that produce much of it!

Will she also try to reduce child poverdy in the Philipines or the Yemen?

The rest of the Apec countries are talking about moving ahead and bright futures!

She makes me ashamed to be a New Zealander.
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November 10, 2017 7:01pm
- treadingthemill
  
  I just saw Jacinda at Apec banging on about Climate change
  
  Good. The issue affects New Zealand and our Pacific neighbors, so of course our Pm should talk about it.
  
  and some new word – Responsibilidy
  
  So she talks like most Kiwis, the same way John Key did.
  
  The rest of the Apec countries are talking about moving ahead and bright futures!
  
  Apart from the USA, the rest of Apec are also talking about climate change.
  
  She makes me ashamed to be a New Zealander.
  
  I think you’re in a very tiny minority.
  
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  November 10, 2017 7:24pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Apart from the USA, the rest of Apec are also talking about climate change”…..
    
    Only because they’re caught up in a virtue signalling wankfest. Somehow the bullshit which has at its core the destruction of Western civilisation via redistribution policies has developed a life of its own.
    
    You’re obviously entitled to your own opinions but you’re backing an airhead who doesn’t have NZ’s interests at heart.
    
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    November 10, 2017 7:37pm
  - Longknives
    
    Really? ‘Tiny Minority’??About 65% of New Zealanders didn’t vote for the ridiculous wannabe Communist for Prime Minister treadingthemill.
    And most people I talk to think she is a pathetic,hypocrite who is totally out of her league at that level..
    (Preaches the ‘Evils of Capitalism’ to anyone who will listen but seems quite happy to hoover up her 500k salary without a thought etc etc)
    
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    November 10, 2017 7:39pm
  - Digmen1
    
    No she talks like only Helen Clerke did/does, and she moves and acts like her.
    
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    November 10, 2017 7:45pm
  - Ross12
    
    Are we talking about this “issue” in the Pacific
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/08/fijis-sinking-vunidogoloa-village-victim-of-agw-or-opportunistic-at-cop23/
    
    or this issue
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/09/more-pacific-island-cop23-opportunism/
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    TTM
    You’ve mentioned Climate Change a few times.
    It’s late tonight but I think in future you need to start providing Citations.
    Science and all that.
    
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    November 10, 2017 9:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How good is your grammar?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11942498
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November 10, 2017 8:11pm
- nasska
  
  Nine out of ten. How the hell is a poor semi-literate retired cocky supposed to know what a “gerund verb” is?
  
  I wouldn’t have recognised one if it had sat up & yodelled in my soup dish. 🙂
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh very good.
    
    Some light reading – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerund
    (censorship rating – R60+)
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://nakedphilologist.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/kennedy-discovers-the-gerund1.gif?w=780
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:53pm
RF

What a cluster fuck….

This country is run by a self centred neurotic commie chic, a red dwarf and a mummy’s boy you never hear from as he is too scared to go out at night.

I am really looking forward to National evicerating this band of idiots who are so out of their depth and unbelievingly it’s only a couple of weeks.

In my wildest dreams I never thought it would be this good.
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November 10, 2017 8:37pm
- Digmen1
  
  Don’t worry, its going to get bad, very bad.
  
  Unions, Unemployment., Rampant Feminism, refugees, one strike and get out of jail, higher taxes,
  more benes, more ferals (in and out of parliament)
  
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  November 10, 2017 8:44pm
Piniwi

While so many MPs along with the Commie Chick overseas at present there is still a lot going on at home so they will be pleased that the Media party have their back.
Latest splash is that the NZ$ has regained $0.5% on the back of the latest anouncement from the RBNZ of it’s “reviewed” forcasts for the NZ economy.
Avoiding carefully the fact that the NZ$ has steadily slipped 5% since even before old WP told us the choice had the money markets considering the increased risk factor.
It is pertinent to point out that the latest RBNZ announcement was made by the “acting” Governor with it’s content illustrating why he is normally in a subordinate role.
It was made scarier whith the picture of Robbo and him shaking hands then hearing him now say the next new Governor of the RBNZ with the “right” man for the job. Or more correctly who he considers the right man. Noting what Spencer said he will surely be in the running as his statement is aligned to the Robbo economic approach. It is not so much those things that are used to reach a review but more those things left out. Akin to the Cullin method.

The fluttering of such a small amount of gain in the NZ$ is testament to the limited of money market experts who align to Robbo think. It can not help to offset the 3.5% fall in the latest dairy prices seen this week or let their returns gain from the earlier 5% slide.
As rapid fuel cost rises have illustrated our currency is not as easy to insulate than an old house. After all the smoke and mirrors to discredit the $11.7 billion hole in Robbo’s fiscal plan we now understand his reluctance to answer Steven Joice’s question in the House. No way can he confirm his earlier totals for the next 3 years as even Robbo has no idea how big his sinkhole is.

Those “figures” became no more than a vision as the soon as the policy trade to get old WP in the tent was provided in such a brief 8 page release. We have yet to see the 38 page addendum from the King Maker and there is no doubt Robbo is hoping somebody, anybody can show him where the money is. Their plans for so many new taxes got rolled when they accepted leaving them to the team of experts to get ready for the 2020 election. The next shock will be herralded as Robbo shifts his ephasis from per capita GDP (his favourite) to actual GDP as it fails like the currency.
Hence it has highlighted how important it is for him to see the “right” man as the new Governor of the RBNZ. His only hope of saving his hide as we are aware of the plan to tamper with the RBNZ Act. It also is not helped by their backdown on select committee numbers when they thought they had it covered. What that we hear? “Do you stand by all your statements?”
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November 10, 2017 9:14pm
Harriet

“…….Who doesn’t remember the virtue-signalling out of Europe when Australia instituted offshore detention. All the hand-wringing and earnest condemnation of our ‘inhumane’ border security policies.
We patiently explained the issues and encouraged others to adopt the same policies, but we were dismissed with contempt by our moral superiors.
Now the shores of Europe are littered with the corpses of drowned children and it is awash with economic migrants who have no desire to integrate. The EU’s abject failure to control its borders led directly to Brexit, and will certainly lead to other members abandoning the union.
Today, Europeans are eating crow three meals a day while Australians are watching the last, impotent gasps of our own illegal immigration supporters.

A question for you E, that would require a simple answer.
Do you care at all about the 600 people on Manus island?
I’m not asking if you think they were right in attempting to come to Australia, and I’m not asking for comments about perceived leftist hypocrisy or arrogance of Greens’ senators. I would actually like to know if there is a part of you that actually cares that they are suffering.

Suffering is relative, my friend.
Are they suffering compared to the real housewives of Melbourne? Well, yes, but so are we.
Are those 600 suffering compared to the other 65 million asylum seekers who went through the appropriate channels instead of hiring people smugglers to jump the queue and are now languishing in refugee camps around the world that make Manus look like the Hilton? No. They are categorically not ‘suffering’.
Disproportionate resources are spent coddling these entitled queue jumpers to the direct detriment of refugees in far more need.
And that is on bleeding hearts like you, Dan. You are directly responsible because of your need to virtue signal only about the suffering you can see right in front of you. Go visit a UN camp in Africa and report back to us on how much the Manus opportunists are ‘suffering’ by comparison.
Controlling our borders frees up resources for far more efficient foreign aid spending.

Nice try mate but you did not answer my question. I asked if you cared.

I did you the courtesy of ignoring your amateurish leftist trolling and didn’t dignify your suggestion that I’m some kind of psychopath with a response. Lesson learned.
I care about the Manus refugees slightly less than I care about the other 65 million people in need around the world. Take that how you will.
Now, your turn. Why do you care about them more than the other 65 million, such that you’re willing to spend an order of magnitude more money on them despite the fact that they’ve already tried to jump the queue ahead of less wealthy refugees?…..”

Jacinda’s kind of virtue signalling is pretty fucken sick. Who gave her this advice? 😎
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November 10, 2017 9:52pm
Inandout

Jacinda, where is Mr Trudeau, why didn’t he turn up to sign anything, Jacinda you must track him down. I think Baby Trudeau has been on the phone arranging another $10 million payout to a Muslim terrorist.
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