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Biscuit

This is from the New Zealand Horrid’s website today (well, as of 8am!)
(http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11929212):

‘At least one witness to the Las Vegas tragedy has changed his mind about gun rights. Guitarist Caleb Keeter, whose band was on stage, tweeted that he realised the guns carried by their road crew were no protection that night. If only more Americans could realise an armed population is less safe than one in which forearms are restricted and rare. Sadly, the insanity will continue.’

Let’s see if their subbies can read KiwiBlog comments in somewhat better a fashion than they can proof-read their own Editorials.
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October 4, 2017 8:01am
- waikatogirl
  
  The USA is no more going to tighten their gun availability laws, than NZ is going to hold feral families to a higher standard to stop the killing of their wee moko.
  
  94 kids killed since Nia Glassey was murdered by feral family members.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:08am
  - Inandout
    
    Or ‘morkaw’ as it is mashed by announcers.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:10am
  - GoVege
    
    Nia Glassie’s fate was sealed the day her father abandoned her and her mum and siblings.
    It wasn’t her biological family members who killed her.
    A child is 50 to 100 times as likely to be killed by a non-biological parent figure than by their real parent.
    Society should be providing incentives for parents to stick together in order to protect kids.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:53am
    - realityczech
      
      So it was the mans fault as usual.
      
      People like you are part of the problem not the solution. You need medical treatment to deal with your hatred of men. It is people like you who have destroyed the family and society.
      
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      October 4, 2017 12:30pm
      - Flash
        
        You are being stupid. It is a known statistic that more children are abused/battered/killed by men who are NOT their biological fathers.
        Of course one could say that if more biological fathers shaped up to their parental responsibilities and stayed with the mother of their kids, the problem would largely resolve itself but this assumes that the biological fathers would not abuse their own children.
        In my opinion it is Maori women who hold the key.
        It is they who can insist on better behaviour from their menfolk.
        It is they who can say: no more kids.
        But we all condone this state of affairs by paying for them to produce more children, fathered by passing males.
        The welfare state is serving up what we permit it to do.
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        Flash: totally agree with the fact we are condoning this situation for paying single women to drag up children to every passing male.
        BUT women from male-dominated cultures such as Maori have very little power over their men.
        In all sexist cultures males learn from an early age that they have all the rights and women are there to serve and obey them.
        That’s why far more Maori women are supported on the DPB, instead of by their children’s fathers.
        That is why young Maori girls aged only 13 to 17 have FOUR TIMES the birth rate of any other race.
        But Maori women get no support from their sisters either.
        Maori leaders like Dame Tariana Turia reckon it’s a good thing that young Maori girls are becoming (single) mums in their early teens…it’s “our fertility” she says.
        This is why most abused and murdered children in our country belong to one sexist cultural group.
        
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        October 4, 2017 4:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        RC: the #1 purpose of a father is to protect and support his family.
        Do you disagree with this?
        When a father walks out on his children, and has virtually no further contact with them, and leaves them in a vulnerable situation, then he deserves condemnation.
        So do the low types of women who invariably entice these jerks away, knowing they are fathers of young children.
        Human society is dependant on strong families.
        That means men and women doing their best for their children.
        I am just as critical of women who desert their husbands and children.
        
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        October 4, 2017 5:02pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      GoVege, you are keen to blame men and blame Maori. How many of the 94 children killed by the mother or the mother allowed it to happen? In the case of Moko the main offender was a female.
      
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      October 4, 2017 3:34pm
      - GoVege
        
        I am not blaming men, Chuck.
        Steven Pinker put it very well when he said that it’s NOT that there are all these terrible evil men everywhere…it’s that young children put incredible pressures on the adults caring for them.
        Sometimes it is only that biological bond that enables a man to resist the urge to lay into a child.
        Obviously non-related males seldom have that bond.
        I have always thought that any woman stupid enough to leave her young child in the sole care of a male not it’s father is asking for trouble.
        
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        October 4, 2017 4:35pm
- cmm
  
  Yesterday, in one of their cut-and-paste articles from Washington Post, Stuff had four or five paragraphs repeated twice.
  
  They’re not even cutting and pasting properly any more.
  
  Come on journalists, we know you’re all lazy but at least pretend…
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:09am
  - Inandout
    
    It is school holidays so expect more of this as they hire kids as temps.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:12am
    - Flash
      
      Or locums, getting ‘work experience’ for their NCA credits?
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:16pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Steady on ..
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:44am
- mandk
  
  The Stuff and NZHerald websites don’t have sub-editors.
  
  They have click-bait operatives.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:13am
- s.russell
  
  It is not fair to blame subbies for this. The subbies have all been laid off.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:20am
  - suzieq
    
    Small correction. “Subbies” are tradesmen. Sub-editors, referred to in the journalism trade as subs, are the staff you’re talking about.
    
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    October 4, 2017 2:42pm
- Gabby
  
  The rotter mott bee fdom the Depublik bikkie.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:10am
  - Prince
    
    Slibber mon frif hamper glob.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:39am
    - Gabby
      
      Paw prints, drop it. Leave it. Leave.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    good drugs this morning grubby,have you double dosed again by mistake ?
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:25am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Forearms?
  Most people I know have a pair of them.
  No law against that. Not yet.
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:20am
  - GJM
    
    It is the right to bare arms – it is in the Constitution
    
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    October 4, 2017 3:13pm
hullkiwi

I know Social media have already gone to town about last night’s Civil Defence test warnings, but really who thought it was a good idea to set the test at 1.30am.
Given all phone companies were I evolved & Civil Defence, someone really had a brain fart!
This caps off the experience that Rodney residents had on two nights (between 2am and 2.45am) before election day when every landline subscriber got phone calls from one of the party’s phone calling robot.
Do political all partied and govt agencies not respect citizens’ rights to PRI act?
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October 4, 2017 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  I turn the sound off at night so I don’t get woken by ‘wrong numbers’, but then again I am with Spark.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  Vodafone say the emergency test was meant to be “contained” and not be sent out to the public. They have apologised for waking people. Any further tests will be carried out during daytime hours.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Two questions:
    Contained to what?; and
    Has anyone really thought about this system?
    
    To us, it smacks of nanny state knee jerk reaction. The only possible use is for a Tsunami or potential for flooding (like Edgecombe springs to mind). Trouble is Tsunami warnings in the past 5 years have been & have led to over reactions, eg last year’s East Cape earthquakes led to Tsunami warnings for the whole of East Coast North Island, this led to the shut down of Auckland’s train service. This was a gross over reaction, given that it was physically impossible for a Tsunami to hit the Waitemata Harbour from an earthquake close to East Cape.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:06am
Happychappy

Wouldn’t it piss Peters off if the specials favoured National. People can keep saying they will favour the Greens and Labour but the shit had hit the fan about the fraudulent Leader not long before that and would have still been in people’s minds so let’s hope Saturday is a continuation of the Greens downward slide.
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October 4, 2017 8:11am
- cmm
  
  It would be somewhat funny if the specials gave National 2 more.
  
  I know that has not been what historically happens, but nothing seems to have followed history this election.
  
  I believe Greens normally gain, but maybe MeTu broke that. It is mathematically possible (but highly unlikely) that Green could drop below 5%.
  
  That would make me laugh all week.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:25am
  - chris
    
    I ran the numbers, and they’d have to get less than 600 of the 384000 special votes to drop below 5%. So mathematically possible, but statistically improbable.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:33am
  - dime
    
    “That would make me laugh all week.”
    
    YEAR
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:43am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Three years
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:21am
- stigie
  
  With the economy soaring over the last few years, why wouldn’t the specials favour National or are those specials all about fairydust and feelz..?
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:45am
  - Soffet
    
    I’ve got several groups of friends in the UK who will all have voted Green because due to a bit of dodgy reportage that all think that NZ kids roam around in rags begging, sleeping in cars at night and the Greens will fix all that up. There’s other stuff related to our uncaring right-wing government that has convinced them that tax payers money should be redirected from the Corporate welfare giving to cleaning up the ghettos of South and West Auckland. I blame Facebook!
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:54am
    - kowtow
      
      Proof that Green voters are retards.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:07am
- peterwn
  
  Stop dreaming. Specials will probably take one seat off National and give it to Labour/ Greens as happened in the last two elections. Such an outcome would be a factor in favour of siding with Labour / Greens in Winston’s view.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I suspect it will be a little more pronounced this time around peterwn. The Greens and Labour both put a lot of effort into enrolling people in the last days of the campaign, and I believe each will pick up a seat. Whether that’s two from National or one each from the Nats and NZF remains to be seen.
    
    Losing one seat would certainly weaken Peters’ bargaining position.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:21am
  - Fletch
    
    To be honest, I don’t see how that make much of a difference. Not in the reality of things, anyway.
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:11am
flipper

Biscuit …
We can expect to see numerous similar stories. But the US 2nd Amendment will survive, and any attempt to water it will be rejected by the SC of the US.

By the way.
1. Most gun deaths are in “tight” gun control; areas run by the Dems, and
2. More ( about 50,000 deaths occur in auto accidents about – 34,000 via the gun.
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October 4, 2017 8:13am
- cmm
  
  In 2015, 89 were killed by guns in almost gun free France.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    How many of those killings were committed by beret wearing, Gauloise smoking , garlic breathed Pierres?
    
    Or were they done by Abu this Bin that ?
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:10am
    - dave_c_
      
      Probably done by the authorities – much as in the US – the police are a law unto themselves, with no accountability
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:15am
      - kowtow
        
        Probably done by members of a non white minority – much as in the US – non white minorities are a law unto themselves , with no accountability.
        
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        October 4, 2017 10:43am
  - Gabby
    
    How many were killed by cars in France cmmiebokkie?
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:18am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Don’t know how many die from accidents but 86 died here
      ‘On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and the injury of 458 others.[4] The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[5][6] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.’
      
      Lucky they could use guns to stop him eh.
      #TruckControl
      Fwiw, devices to turn semi autos into autos should be illegal.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:35am
      - cmm
        
        “Fwiw, devices to turn semi autos into autos should be illegal.”
        
        While bump firing is way easier with a bump stock, it is possible to bump fire with no tools at all.
        
        If someone has the motivation they will find a way.
        
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        October 4, 2017 10:27am
  - Colville
    
    cmm
    where did you get that number from?
    It would be more like 2000/yr
    30 guns per 100 population too.
    
    noteable tho gun related homicide rate is 1/15th that of USA
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:05am
- VicParking
  
  Red Radio had a “ache-demic” from the USA who blamed it all on Trump. They all forget that Obama had nine years and did nothing. In fact one of the last acts of his tenure was the introduction to congress of a law allowing silencer’s on guns.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:34am
  - cmm
    
    Clinton was having a go at silencers too.
    
    Stupid. You cannot sustain high rates of fire through a silencer. They melt and fail faster than barrels do.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:40am
    - dime
      
      that nasty bitch was banging on about not politicising the shooting, but in the same sentence she said its time to go to war against the NRA and guns.
      
      she is a fucking fruit loop.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:46am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Mind you, she might know a thing or two about shootings in politics.
        
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        October 4, 2017 10:06am
      - Flash
        
        Heard a plug for her book about the election.
        It’s title?
        “What Happened?”
        I wonder if it will be a No 1 bestseller on Amazon,
        lol.
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:22pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      It is only the sound suppressing capability that fails, the silencer itself doesn’t… nor does it melt, unless you are using a coke bottle as a silencer… And yes, I have a silencer and have used a number of firearms with silencers.
      The concerns with a silencer is that it takes much longer before you can identify (by sound) where the damage is coming from and identify that someone is actually shooting.
      
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      October 4, 2017 12:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s presumably why silencers are illegal in some countries.
        Pity they apparently are not here or some of the Bain family would probably have survived.
        And there would have been no need for millions spent on 2 trials and legal fees.
        
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        October 4, 2017 5:07pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    So did the academic also say Obama was responsible for the shooting of 5 year olds at Sandy Hook Elementary school during his tenure?
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:51am
    - VicParking
      
      Sorry Rich reported you by mistake
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:13am
  - MCos
    
    The President doesn’t introduce laws in their system. Also it’s not a law at that stage, it’s a bill.
    I think you’ll find that Obama pushed for gun control related bills to be introduced, but they got nowhere for obvious reasons.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:32am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Fully aware of that MCos. Was replying to VP’s comment above referring to an ache-demic blaming Trump for the shooting in LV:
      
      “Red Radio had a “ache-demic” from the USA who blamed it all on Trump. They all forget that Obama had nine years and did nothing. In fact one of the last acts of his tenure was the introduction to congress of a law allowing silencer’s on guns.”
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:42am
- Gabby
  
  Do you reckon yankers spend more time in their cars or fondling their weapons frigger? Cleaning time doesn’t count.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:17am
- MCos
  
  I’m not exactly sure why you mentioned the US road toll, but fyi it was appropriate 40,200 for 2016.
  http://www.nsc.org/NewsDocuments/2017/12-month-estimates.pdf
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:23am
oldpark

When “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern uttered her war cry to her sycophants. “Lets do this”.One of her soldiers in the field from the Union that controls when and how Wellingtons train schedules are operating.Heard the call.
Today in a very busy day for Wellington . With the first passenger ship of the summer period arriving. Also in the middle of the school holidays.the Union calls a strike. Shades of when it was fashionable to do the same with the inter-island ferry crossings. Always in the school holidays.
Not a worry or a problem disrupting businesses or the holiday programmes and travel of young families.
Maybe what is happening today with the trade Union disruption of rail services,is just a fore-runner of what will happen if we end up with Lie-bour/Green mafias winning the treasury benches.
The war cry from “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern ,”Lets do this”. The railway Union is acting accordingly.
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October 4, 2017 8:14am
- cmm
  
  It won’t impact me, but it is far more likely to impact the fuckwits that voted for her.
  
  One can only hope they learn from their mistakes.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  There is a framed picture of Jacinda on the shelf among the books at Linwood Library–purpose: adulation?
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    Are you serious? Library employees surely cannot use the venue to push their private political agendas!
    
    Perhaps it might be offset by putting a book of communist atrocities next to it.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:58am
    - KevOB
      
      It was there yesterday without label or comment. There was a Helen Clark Bio book alongside.
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:24am
    - Fletch
      
      Reminds me of this Thatcher quote I saw yesterday.
      
      https://www.facebook.com/prageru/photos/a.187956274580570.43905.127225910653607/1558627650846752/?type=3&theater
      
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      October 4, 2017 11:18am
      - cmm
        
        Why do they want to get landlords out of renting properties?
        
        If they do this, people will still need to rent, but there won’t be private housing stock available. That increases demand for state housing and makes HNZ the landlord.
        
        CGT is nothing to do with the stated intent, it is far more a desire to give the state more power.
        
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        October 4, 2017 12:01pm
  - RF
    
    Was that in the horror or orthodontic section.
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:35pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      before and after possibilties
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:23pm
- Gabby
  
  This is Bingles’ fault. He’s weak, Jerry. Weak.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:21am
flipper

Happy….

The stupid Greens (aka Redmelons) have already committed to Labour and, notwithstanding that they have never in 20 years had any political power, they refuse to consider a coalition with National.

Why stand for Parliament if the objective is simply to keep a few seats warm – all via their MMP list. They got 5.9% but will probably go to 6.5 and may be get an extra list MP when Special Votes are tallied next week. That would give them 8 list MPs. But the election trend saw them drop substantially so the traditional green increase may not occur.

NZ First, which is to say Peters (aka the modern reincarnation of Machiavelli, and the only NZ first person that counts), got 7.5 % and now has 9 list MPs. In my view, Peters is unlikely to get any more.

Labour got 35.8% and now has 45 seats – 29 constituency/electorate and 16 list.
National got 46% and now has 58 seats – 41 electorate and 17 list.

When the Specials are included, the conventional belief is that Labour will pick up 1 seat(list) and the Nats will lose 1. But that is only a minor change in the context of the whole affair and, if the GE trend extends to the Specials, the Nats could hold firm at 58 or even increase to 59.
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October 4, 2017 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And if you’re right flipper, what about when the wasted votes from Maori, TOP and the minnows are redistributed – would that get the Nats to 60, plus ACT’s 1?
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:29am
  - s.russell
    
    Wasted votes are already allowed for in the provisional results.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:32am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bugger.
      
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      October 4, 2017 8:55am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Won’t the wasted votes have to be tweaked after the final result. Given the huge number of Special votes still to come into the equation.
      
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      October 4, 2017 2:28pm
- cmm
  
  “Why stand for Parliament if the objective is simply to keep a few seats warm”
  
  Almost none of the Green MPs could do more than burger flipping. In parliament they earn $250k a year for absolutely no responsibilities at all.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:30am
  - KevOB
    
    As MP’s greens are basically fraudulent. They offer nothing not already there. National has taken up the lesser extreme issues which don’t defy common sense. SJW’s have no place in Parliament. Budget possibilities and practical consensus have to rule there.
    
    The watermelons have been outed–time to go.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:59am
- s.russell
  
  The number of special votes is up by a third over 2014. If the distribution of specials runs the same way as it did then – even allowing for the changed base vote – National would drop 1.3 to 44.7% and 56 seats; Labour would go up to 36.5% and gain one seat; the Greens would go up to 6.4% and gain a seat; NZF would slip slightly to 7.4% – no change in seats.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    ” If the distribution of specials runs the same way as it did”
    
    Big IF. 2017 has been a bit different.
    
    Specials normally help the Greens, but MeTu might have shat on that.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:00am
  - MCos
    
    Contain your excitement for a couple of days and you’ll find out.
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hard to believe that the residents of Edgecumbe didn’t know that they are sitting in the middle of a floodplain that has regularly carried damaging floods.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BPB19440225.2.23

https://www.boprc.govt.nz/media/33373/Report-080900-RangitaikiTaraweraFloodplainStrategy.pdf

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/340791/report-leaves-edgecumbe-locals-without-answers
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October 4, 2017 8:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Having a flood wall next to the town would have been a total give away, I would have thought!
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:35am
  - KevOB
    
    Lower Hutt is another with flood banks but I doubt the residents ever consider that.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:04am
- Gabby
  
  It was common knowledge. That’s why the council made no effort to let prospective buyers know. It’s not like selling Louisiana swampland at all.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:25am
  - KevOB
    
    That’s why my garden soil seemed bottomless.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:27am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Immediately after the flood there was a public meeting in Edgecombe. I think some of the locals were scathing in their criticism of the local authority ignoring their comments about the sub-standard stopbanks. As the truck drivers of Edgecombe did not have post-graduate degrees in hydrology or civil engineering their common sense comments were ignored. They were immensely annoyed. Now they will be madder still that Sir Michael Cullen has ignored their warnings as well.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    However history over that last 20 years and before says that it is a Flood Plain.
    It has had a serious earthquake and flooding before.
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:54pm
- dave_c_
  
  Bit like living in tornado alley – Who in their right mind would go there to live, let alone returning multiple times for more punishment ! Senseless gorms.
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:17am
  - waikatogirl
    
    A report yesterday re home buyers having buyers remorse when they realise they haven’t done their homework on surrounding noise, flooding, etc. Perhaps, they deem questions irrelevant, or it is just easier to not think ahead about the consequences when buying a home. ??
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:54am
  - MCos
    
    I hope I don’t live in your neighbourhood, Mr Dave.
    Remarks like that scream out for retribution from Mother Nature and in NZ she has a mighty array of potential calamities to pick from.
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:17am
Paulus

Having read the report into the Edgecombe floods, the report written under the Chair ? of call me Sir Cullen for the Regional Council gives no application to who is responsible. Surely that is because the Council paid for the report and that the residences are suing the Council.
The conclusion was that it was nobody’s fault but the Council and others will have a conversation.
Why do we have to have conversations about everything following Taxinderella’s failed electioneering. She used the comment very regularly – which actually suggests I will talk to anybody if they want about anything rather than facing actual facts. Fluffy expression.
Surely this could be a meeting over cakes and tea ?
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October 4, 2017 8:23am
- s.russell
  
  I blame the weather. The clouds responsible should be put to death, preferably by stoning.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:37am
  - Maxx
    
    Its a pity that no one owns the water otherwise we could go after them for the damage of not constraining their water properly.
    If only someone would tax the use of water so we could properly identify who the owner is…
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:44am
    - freethinker
      
      Hopefully Maori will claim ownership and I can claim annually for their water inundating my farm, could be as profitable as farming whilst depleting the funds of the Charitable status Maori non tax paying Whanau on their property and Hospitality operations so they can donate 5% of their income to deserving members of their tribe especially those sitting on the boards – company boards not floorboards like most of their Whanau.
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:00pm
- G152
  
  Its an engineering fail.
  And Cullen ran the inquiry, found no-one was to blame ?
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  I would have thought that the Council knowing it had a sub-standard stop-bank on its hands and doing nothing about it for something like 14 years might attract some culpability. It’s not like they couldn’t raise the fix-up money in that time.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:05am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Having heard the Edgecumbe flood report summarised on ‘The News’ I noticed that it reached no conclusion that didn’t contain the words ‘might have’ or ‘may have’. How much did the enquiry cost?
  
  I also noted that the conclusions were identical to my own and I’ve never been to Edgecumbe.
  Too much water, not enough stop bank, knew it was breaching, didn’t tell residents, didn’t work it out for themselves.
  
  Please send my knighthood to: …..
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:00am
oldpark

Some time ago the WO blog site was almost daily hostile to Mr Peters in the blogs comments. In fact derogarty.
Wonder what has happened to the site. There has been a huge turn around in the support for Mr Peters. It looks as if the WO site owner has become the self appointed guard dog for Mr Peters. Going out of its way to make fun of any legitimate comment or action by all and sundry who may or may not be involved with Mr Peters.
In fact some of the comments by the WO owner has bordered on childish and kindergarten play, to the point of oafishness .Wonder what type of agenda is being played out here. Or is there something more sinister.Lets hope not.
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October 4, 2017 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  WO will jump into bed with anyone who he thinks might be a winner. His failing blog is in its death throws.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not so long as there are fluffy kitten pictures on the net
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:30am
- Poppa
  
  He is bent out of shape about Bill English & was wanting him to lose the election.
  
  I agree that is very weird the love fest that is going on with Peters
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:56am
- lifesgood
  
  He has an unfathonable hatred for Bill English, partly because Bill is Catholic and partly because he won’t engage with WO. Then he has spent the last several months promoting Winston “to teach National a lesson” Of course it didn’t work because NZF’s vote was decimated. I guess now WO has to justify his position. He’s an idiot,
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:26am
  - peterwn
    
    The events leading up to 2002 also shaped WO’s views IMO. Michelle Boag unseated WO’s dad John Slater as National Party President. Events of 1990’s had left National in a mess and it could not be an effective opposition after 1999 despite Michelle’s and Bill’s best efforts. Presumably WO thinks that John and another choice for leader could have turned things around for a 2002 victory.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:47am
  - GoVege
    
    Catholics have a lot to answer for…
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:51pm
- Biscuit
  
  oldpark, I was in WO a few days ago…
  
  Pythagorean theorem: 24 words
  The Lord’s Prayer: 66 words
  Archimedes’ Principle: 67 words
  The Ten Commandments: 179 words
  Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address: 286 words
  The U.S. Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words
  An article in ‘Whale Oil’ ‘explaining’ their moderation rules: 1688 words
  
  Gimme STRENGTH!
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:59am
  - oldpark
    
    Yet he WO seems to be the worst offender into crazy dutchies writing of the so called moderation rules and regulations.Who” watches the watchers” do what i say ,not what i do seems to be the message. To think they also want a financial handout for their now becoming anti social behaviour. So sad,it once was a top class blog site. The guy Hager the Horrible set it on its decline,which was really sad and disappointing to most of us.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:39am
  - freethinker
    
    And the EU claptrap on Onions about 20,000 words.
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:24pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Thanks Biscuit. Perhaps the popularity of Miss Ed has prompted their latest suggestion to not look a gift horse in the mouth and get your 1 month free subscription. Commenting numbers have declined as well as content relevance. But old Winston First is the man.
    
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    October 4, 2017 5:41pm
Manolo

No, it does not pay to be lardy:
https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/40-percent-us-cancers-linked-excess-weight
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October 4, 2017 8:26am
- cmm
  
  “Linked to” does not mean “caused by”. It might mean there is some common cause to both (eg. lack of exercise).
  
  For an example of another statistical linkage: people who eat KFC are more likely to have their cars fail WOF.
  
  Does KFC fumes cause tyre wear? No. There’s some other cause: KFC is more heavily consumed by lower socio-economic people who tend to maintain their cars worse too.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Capable
    Might
    likely
    Potential
    Points to
    Shows that
    These are now the words of truth from academia
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:49am
  - GoVege
    
    I fink you’re in denial cmm..
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:53pm
    - freethinker
      
      I think your a Cabbage.
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have paid for every gram of my lard; should I have done it on a rent-to-own arrangement?
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I cannot believe that someone possessed of your intellect, charm and wit has never been taken out for a dinner Maggy!
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:28pm
- Gabby
  
  So 60% of cancers are linked to not being fat.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:28am
- Fletch
  
  They also reckon that if you skip breakfast you’re more likely to suffer a heart attack.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/skipping-breakfast-could-increase-risk-heart-attacks-study-finds/
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:23am
  - GoVege
    
    I hate breakfast!
    Once I start eating I can’t stop.
    And I have less selection available to me than you lot…. 🙂
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:54pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      That’s because your body is craving protein GV.
      Seriously! ?
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:07pm
    - freethinker
      
      Carrots – that explains why you sound like an Ass.
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:26pm
Digmen1

Classic Quotes No 1

Here is a classic quote from a Myanmar (Burmese) General named Phone Tint.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41222210

He was answering claims that his troops had burned Rohingan villages and raped their women.

“Who would want to rape these women?”

(After watching the many videos of the refugees, I can only agree with him)
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October 4, 2017 8:28am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Reported, and I hope you get a suspension. That is an absolutely disgusting comment.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:38am
  - Inandout
    
    All BBC reporting is disgusting. Basil Fawlty could say ‘disgusting’ so well.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:46am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      To be perfectly clear, what I have reported, and what I thought absolutely disgusting, was Digmen1’s own remark about how he agreed with the General
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:25am
      - Digmen1
        
        Yes I now regret my last sentence, and I have asked the moderator to remove that sentence.
        
        But I hope the rest of the post stands.
        
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        October 4, 2017 10:11am
- Swifty
  
  Oh, you are awful….but I like you.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  Phone Tint..FFS. Although I shouldn’t laugh as I can remember landline phones being sold by the Post Office in different colours; red, ivory, green.
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:43am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes I could have also mentioned his amazing name.
    
    Tint doesn’t not sound Burmese, and Phone definitely does not.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:49am
- VicParking
  
  Bad taste but it does show how the militaty junta has no respect for life of these poor people and the distain they hold them in
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:52am
- Gabby
  
  He sounds like a bit of a dicman.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:30am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Females get way more Doctorate degrees than men in the USA. Of course they dominate in the phaggoty feminist shit:

UCLA: M133 Chicana Lesbian Literature
UC Berkley: LGBT C145– Interpreting the Queer Past
UT Austin: WGS 335 • Confronting LGBTQ Oppression
U-Utah: GNDR 3380 – Social Inequality in the Land of Opportunity
Ohio State: WGSST 4404 Regulating Bodies: Global Sexual Economies
U-Alabama: AAS221 Contemporary In(queer)ies
U-Florida: WST 3663 Gender and Food Politics

But the Globohomos are also hell bent on faggotising the STEM/Hard science fields as these are unsurprisingly male dominated and impervious to Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo ( for now ).

Feminism is not about “closing the gender gap”, it is gynocentric – toxic to men, and in doing so destroying a civilisation. There is no example of a successful society where females are given primacy.

And are these “educated females” happy in this rising new Feminist utopia, do they now “have it all” as decades of feminist dyke propaganda said they could?

No, they are childless, husbandless and hate themselves. Post wall 30+ year old females, alone in their apartment, except a cat or two, washing down handfuls of anti anxiety pills with a tall glass of cheap pinot grigio, trying to forget ( or is that relive? ) the cock carousel they rode through out their 20s.

The reality is men are turned off by over educated careerist slutty, sorry I mean “sexually liberated”, females and avoid them like AIDS.
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October 4, 2017 8:49am
- VicParking
  
  Not only the USA. “Kerekere, who identifies as lesbian, has spent five years writing her PhD and discovering new evidence takatāpui (Maori for LGBTQ ) existed in pre-colonial society. It was released recently at Victoria University.”
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    ” who identifies as lesbian”. So she might not even be a lesbian?
    
    This “identify as” stuff is bullshit.
    
    If I identify as a single mother for the purpose of hand outs can I get them?
    
    Sure I lack any proof of single motherhood, but there are plenty people out there who identify as females even though they have half a kg of counter-evidence in their pants.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:06am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      A lot of “lesbians” are just fugly chicks with ZERO sexual market place value.
      
      Only the most thirsty depraved of beta male dumpster divers would go there.
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:09am
      - Piniwi
        
        True JHMF. She’s as big as a barn door and with a painted face. Just another native attempt to rewrite history.
        
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        October 4, 2017 5:48pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Lol, I saw that headline in the NZ Herald yesterday.
    
    Surprise, surprise, a brown carpet grazing “academic” comes to the conclusion that before Evil Whitey rocked on up and rained on it, Maoris were having one big never ending Fag Parade.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      Well that would potentially explain a lot of Maori family violence.
      
      They’re really gays but are forced to live with women and that causes sexual frustration and they put in the bash… or something like that.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:14am
      - Paulus
        
        Could some of the young children’s Maori deaths be attributed to the historical intermarriage within whanau as this could be construed by the Kerekere papers.?
        In Britain it is now become very obvious in the Health service that inter family “relationships” are causing a substantial mental health problem.
        This is identified by the enormous increase in Muslim birth rates well in excess of any norm.
        
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        October 4, 2017 2:03pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Released recently? Is there any chance of it being captured and quarantined before it does any harm to the environment?
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:11am
- KevOB
  
  However they do not reproduce so they are so diminishing their future potential.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:19am
  - freethinker
    
    Now there’s a hidden benefit.
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:30pm
- GoVege
  
  You’re a funny guy, Jazz.
  That was hilarious….and had the ring of truth about it too.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:57pm
krazykiwi

Tesla’s has been described as missing production targets after it rolled out 260 Model S cars in the last 3 months, when the number promised to investors was 60,000.

That’s a miss of 23,000%
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October 4, 2017 9:04am
- Manolo
  
  Elon Musk, modern day’s P.T. Barnum.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:17am
  - Colville
    
    Manolo.
    Musk is brilliant. !!!
    Brilliant at scamming tax money out of governments for pet projects and churning other peoples ideas!
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:18am
    - realityczech
      
      Corporate fraudster Musk is a billionare in spite of all his companies losing untold millions. Nothing he has done has worked.
      
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      October 4, 2017 12:33pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        SpaceX has about 50% of world satellite launch market, undercuts all their competition significantly, and is growing rapidly. That has worked.
        
        But then Tesla is massively overvalued and will get swamped by bigger players in near future, it will get bought out by a big car company at small fraction of current value in a couple of years. Solar city will probably survive long term – and possibly grow rapidly given improving economics of domestic PV battery.
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:11pm
      - freethinker
        
        Space X – perhaps you missed this, Musk succeeds were NASA either failed or didn’t try.
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:31pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Nasa and old rocket companies are pretty much incapable of innovating or developing hardware in either an economic or timely manner. Nasa has spent 10’s of billions on Shuttle replacement, with nothing flying. United Launch Alliance receives billions a year from NASA just to keep their doors open (actual rocket flights charged on top of that). Ariane and ULA are currently planning to try and build new rockets that won’t fly until 2020’s and yet will be more expensive than existing SpaceX rockets.
        
        SpaceX have truly been a revolution and a revelation.
        
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        October 4, 2017 3:22pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Electric cars have the feelz good feeling. The greenies back them so they must be good for the planet. ??
      
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      October 4, 2017 1:11pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Did you even read the article that you linked to?
  
  It actually refers to the Model 3, not the Model S. The 260 produced was against a target of 1,500 to the end of September, not 60,000.
  
  Way too early to say Tesla is a failure in respect of model 3. Wait till the end of year production figures for a better guide.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:36am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The S was a typo. Sorry. And a fair point re the September target.
    
    So let’s see if Elon can lift production of the 3’s from 86/month now, to 20,000/month three months later, in December.
    
    Anyone wager that he’ll achieve this?Anyone? [crickets]
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:20am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Anyone wager that Kiwi is making shit up again?
      1134 Tesla 3’s have been registered with NHTSA so far. They are now building about 1000 month.
      The ramp up plan Musk released says building 5000 cars a month end of December.
      Tesla has always been optimistic in its production timing.
      https://electrek.co/2017/09/29/tesla-model-3-production-ramp-up-manufacturing-problems/
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:59am
      - realityczech
        
        Tesla Burns Through $620 Million, Loses $13,000 Per Car Made Ahead Of Model 3 Launch
        
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/tesla-burns-through-620-million-loses-13000-car-made-ahead-model-3-launch
        
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        October 4, 2017 12:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        Here’s How Much Money Elon Musk and Tesla Lost in the Past Two Weeks
        
        As the electric automaker’s shares have fallen into bear market territory, the company’s founder and chief executive officer has lost $2.7 billion since June 25, when his net worth hit a high of $18.6 billion according to the Bloomberg Billionaires index.
        
        http://time.com/money/4848807/heres-how-much-money-elon-musk-and-tesla-lost-in-the-past-two-weeks/
        
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        October 4, 2017 12:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Musk is the CEO of three companies — Tesla, SpaceX and SolarCity — all of which would fail without government money
        
        https://www.salon.com/2016/10/29/behind-the-myth-of-elon-musk-has-the-onetime-silicon-valley-visionary-lost-his-magic/
        
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        October 4, 2017 12:38pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        This is actually a reply to realityczech.
        
        Any company in the space launching business is dependent on government money.
        
        You might as well say that Lockheed Martin would fail without government money. That is obviously true of a business whose principal customer is the government. Compared to Elon Musk, LM has had many hundreds of billions already on the F35 contract. It is probably the most bloated defence or government contract ever.
        
        Even you would have to concede that SpaceX has radically improved launch technology, way beyond the established aerospace companies who had become fat and happy relying on US government contracts.
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some folks are dumping Tesla stocks
  “Tesla Inc is overvalued”
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-02/tesla-is-dropped-by-climate-fund-that-s-beaten-97-of-its-peers
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:33pm
flipper

Well, if I could have my way all LGBTQ s and all the other derivatives, would be seen and not heard. But to have Universities award PhDs and Masters on the subject is absurd.
To short circuit claims to the contrary, I have a brother in law living in Florida who has been in two homosexual relationships in the past 35 years, the most recent for 20+. He and his partner get on with their lives and cannot abide the activist exhibitionists. They loath the sex change / belief mob. I love them both as part of our wider family.

We should give the academic wankers nothing other than disdain!
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October 4, 2017 9:17am
Pongo

What is the bet that the idiot in charge of civil defence planned the 1.30am alert to test reaction times to an early morning alert ?
You can just imagine those dimwits dreaming it up and in some dust gathering report somewhere will be the experience of the “accidental” alert.
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October 4, 2017 9:33am
dime

i cant seem to uptick anything anymore?

so if youve said something good or funny and youre not milky, consider your score to be +1!
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October 4, 2017 9:48am
- stigie
  
  Take it easy on Milky, he’s probably feeling a bit down again, his mum has most likely run off with Starboard again for a good time !~
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:02am
wiseowl

Figures come out suggesting once great New Zealand is going to have over 6 million sheeple in the near future.
Hamilton City Council already talking about another 30,000 for Hamilton.
Hold on.
Who is allowing this to happen without the population having a say?
2.5 million would be better as far as I am concerned and this business of growth for growths sake is stupid.
Stuff the politicians.How about putting it to the people before you destroy totally what was the best country in the world.
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October 4, 2017 10:13am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Unless you can come up with an alternative way to achieve the magical 3:3:3* Holy Grail of economists and pollies, then prepare for ongoing injections of Dirt World mystery meat.
  
  See my post below on the permanent state of misery coming to white people as their tribal homelands are flooded with Vibrants and Colourfuls.
  
  * 3% GDP, 3% Inflation, 3% OCR.
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:32am
- GoVege
  
  Exactly, wiseowl.
  Also, why can’t they build some new cities instead of cramming all these extra people into our ones?
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:02pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

More research showing Multiculturalism makes for unhappy societies:

LIE: Diversity™ is our strength.
TRUTH: Diversity™ is our sadness.

“Happiness in modern society: Why intelligence and ethnic composition matter.

Recent developments in evolutionary psychology suggest that living among others of the same ethnicity might make individuals happier and further that such an effect of the ethnic composition on life satisfaction may be stronger among less intelligent individuals.
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283881736_Happiness_in_modern_society_Why_intelligence_and_ethnic_composition_matter

Note the bit about less intelligent individuals – the higher intelligent individuals are more easily able to rationalise/lie to themselves that the increasing misery in their Diversitopia is caused by anything but Diversity™. Where as your average punter is going to call it like they see it, instead of twisting their minds into a logical pretzel in order to maintain a wrong headed intellectual position.
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October 4, 2017 10:27am
Dave Mann

All societies need you grow in order to develop and thrive. Humans now have better, healthier, better fed, more comfortable and far longer lives that at any time in history and this amazing progress has come hand-to-hand with our rapidly expanding (in the past 200 years) population.

I’ve got absolutely no time for these ‘lower population’ arguments, whether they be national or globally derived.

One point though, is worthy of consideration. Although we would benefit immensely from having a growing population, we seem hell bent on destroying our own breeding potential and we’re concentrating instead on importing immigrants. Whilst a fairly low level of immigration is not (IMHO) a problem, NZ has become reliant on immigrants to keep our economy going. This is not healthy. Why don’t we breed more New Zealanders instead of importing people from overseas?
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October 4, 2017 10:29am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Whilst a fairly low level of immigration is not (IMHO) a problem”
  
  Ditto, but you try making that statement to the Diversity Phaggots in your life and observe the passive aggressive side ways dirty looks and smirks – followed in my case by outraged hissing and shrieks of “Raycissss!!!” as I apply more force to wipe the smug grins off their ugly mugs.
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:42am
- Digmen1
  
  I agree with you a growing population is good.
  
  New Zealand is a reslatibly large country with a relatively small population.
  
  One reason that our population does not grow internally is that so many New Zealanders have deserted NZ for Australia.
  Imagine if the nearly one million of them were still her.
  Our country would be much more vibrant, and much more viable.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Good point Dave but unfortunately the only New Zealanders who seem to want to breed in the required numbers are the ferals.
  If only upwardly-mobile success-driven Kiwis could spare the time and money to spit out kids.
  Two of the few who have set the example are Bill and Mary English.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:16am
  - Paulus
    
    And the other Catholic family the Bolgers.
    
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    October 4, 2017 2:06pm
Nostradamus

Here’s an interesting defamation law question: can you sue a third party who uses a photo taken at a public protest (which shows you prominently) for a political purpose and in a way that you consider harms your personal reputation?

Coalition for Marriage hit with defamation threats over ‘extremist’ article

A leading voice in the No campaign has been threatened with defamation action unless an apology is given to a public servant who supports sex marriage [sic] and whose image was shown beside a headline labelling her an “extremist”.

Canberra woman Jill Moran said she felt “sick to my stomach” when her image, which she said was taken at a peaceful protest, was used in an article on the Coalition for Marriage’s website. The headline on the article, dated September 16, read “tonight a test for the extremists of the Yes campaign”, referring to the Coalition for Marriage’s official campaign launch.

I’ve checked and the article is still on the Coalition for Marriage’s website. The ABC article I’ve linked to shows a cropped photo which, in my view, is misleading.
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October 4, 2017 10:41am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Its a banner pic of a collection of sexual degenerates protesting, there are several faces there, its not an image of her per se.
  
  This is indicative of how Team Dildo operate, bullying tactics to silence any resistance to their Marxist takeover program.
  
  “The sexual degenerate cries out in pain even as ze sink the dagger into zir victim.”
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:50am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Fuck, those degenerates are ugly – the requisite blue hair and all.
  
  I need eye wash now.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:03am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “The ABC article I’ve linked to shows a cropped photo which, in my view, is misleading.”
  
  Of course, the media complex is populated with marxist indoctrinated female and homosexual degenerates that get spewed out from “communication and media school”.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:05am
- Nostradamus
  
  I see Jill Moran made a Freedom of Information Act request to the Australian Electoral Commission. The AEC has responded that the FOI request “is not properly made” and that the information she seeks “seems to be exempt” under the FOI Act.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:17am
starboard

The latest buzz-phrase ..did you” reach out” to them
last heard dribbling out of the boy girl Jack Tame while mother Barry looked on.
“Did you call them”..or “did you make contact with so and so”, but no..its “reach out”…sickly puke.
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October 4, 2017 10:45am
- waikatogirl
  
  Stupid question from Toni Street last night when interviewing a Kiwi cop, who works in LV, about the mass shooting of 500 people from a 32 floor hotel window:
  
  “Have you ever seen anything like this in NZ?”
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:10am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Ha! Ha! She’s a shocker! Her pronunciation is cringe-worthy at times as well i.e. the other night she pronounced ‘picture’ as ‘pitcha’. It would have been sensible to use the word ‘image’ as only an idiot can stuff up the pronunciation of the said word. Also uses ‘couch’ when she ought to be saying ‘sofa’. Shows her class. TVOne really needs to move her on imo as she adds zero value to the programme. And now we have to stomach Jack/Toni while Mike Hosking is on holiday. I simply change channels these days. So over both these d-grade presenters…….
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:44pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack said he came back to NZ to be a ‘better boyfriend’. Does anyone know to whom?
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:11am
  - MCos
    
    Hang around the studio door and you could be in with a chance.
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:20am
    - stigie
      
      Well, bugger me, didn’t know he was gay, another presenter, what next..?
      
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      October 4, 2017 11:27am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Careful Stigie -!he words “bugger me” might be seen as an invitation in that context!
        
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        October 4, 2017 11:31am
      - stigie
        
        I’ll let you know if that invitation blossoms Nostra !~
        
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        October 4, 2017 12:28pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Does anyone care?
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:12pm
  - starboard
    
    probably that openly gay and putrid Mat McLean, couple of fudge packers who enjoy wallowing in sewage..speaking of, anyone seen scottchris?
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:26pm
    - stigie
      
      What is it with gay presenters, is it a chance to tell the world they are openly gay..?
      
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      October 4, 2017 12:34pm
- Fletch
  
  I get the feeling Tame is dying to become a ‘serious’ reporter and ask the hard questions. He just comes across as a twit.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:33am
  - KKKKatee
    
    He is a lightweight imo. He really has no idea how the world ticks I’m afraid. My husband left school at 15 1/2 and worked in a dairy factory alongside mature men. I can’t imagine Jack Tame possessing the fortitude to do a hard day’s work – EVER.
    BTW – my husband’s first job out of school in the dairy factory set him up to go on to do other lucrative things with his life.
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:48pm
- softail 1450
  
  even more sickly puke making is they’ve taken to calling Barry HB ,oh god where is that sick bag…..
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:43am
- MCos
  
  I’ve never liked the expression ‘reach out’, but it’s been in common usage for years now and is hardly the ‘latest buzz-phrase’.
  What I don’t understand is why you bother to watch either of those lightweight NZ breakfast programmes, or the seven o’clock evening ones for that matter.
  Free to air TV here is almost universally worthless. Almost.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:45pm
Evadne

Why do I read the Herald? I know it’s clickbait, but I’m occasionally infected by some sort of masochism mixed with schadenfreude, and find myself following links. (i.e. it pains me, but at the same time I take perverse pleasure out of witnessing the sad descent of our once-reputable paper of record)

Today’s offerings from the front page include:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11929087
Headline: Grand Designs star: Don’t do what I did
Article conclusion: “I don’t regret anything about this house. I don’t regret the cost either…. I’m content.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11929328
Headline: Is this the most pretentious wedding announcement ever?
Followed by an article mocking a wealthy and well connected couple for being wealthy and well connected, but lots of photos so we can really shame and scorn a couple for being wealthy and well connected. Because that’s news.

Other front page headlines include:
* Mum admits she ‘hates’ her third child
* Is The Block moving to a meth house?
* ‘I doubt you’re a real billionaire’: Trump’s brutal letter to Branson
* Is this the worst tackle of all time?
* Exclusive: Las Vegas shooting victim’s romantic proposal on ‘dream holiday’ to New Zealand
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October 4, 2017 10:53am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Did you see the article a few days ago on the online NZ Herald, about the cock breath slut, sorry I mean empowered go grrl, who has fucked 10000 men and now that makes her an expert on what men really want in a relationship.
  
  “Meet the woman who’s slept with 10,000 men…
  …she is trained in neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), an approach to personal development and psychotherapy made popular by American motivational speaker Tony Robbins. She teaches women how to “understand” men and get the most out of their relationships.”
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11928553
  
  Are all you reading this out there, now beginning to realise why Fascism is the best cure for this Globohomo contagion ravaging Western Civilisation like HIV on steroids?
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:19am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    There’s always the worry of crying out the wrong name during sex, but that chick gets round it by simply hollering “NEXT!”
    
    Doesn’t quite fit with my definition of a relationship, but what would I know? – I haven’t shagged 10,000 of anything.
    
    I want to know which letter of the alphabet applies. Can’t be L for loose, that’s taken for lesbian. Would it be C for cheap, E for easy, D for deluded, or H for health risk?
    
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    October 5, 2017 12:28am
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/stop-blaming-supply-expensive-housing/#comment-2972852 … with an extensive discussion on housing / urban issues on MB thread …

UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A ‘NONSENSE ISSUE’ … read more at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

The housing affordability issue really is a ‘nonsense issue’ particularly when the creators of the modern housing production industry, Bill & Alfred Levitt, just after WW11, were supplying new 80 square metre homes on 700 square metre lots for about $US8,000 (about $US100 per square metre building area) to sole income families on about $US3,500 per annum… about 2.3 times annual household incomes (median multiple).

Just after WW11 there were massive shortages of expensive building products … to the extent the Levitts bought forests and nail factories to ensure they didn’t have supply disruptions to producing about 40 new homes a day.

A decade or so later … thanks to another great American entrepreneur Malcom McLean creating the modern container industry, dramatically lowering transportation costs and creating greater global competition … we have a growing glut of increasingly affordable products …

The Story of Malcom McLean … incorporating New York Times video

http://maritime-executive.com/article/the-story-of-malcolm-mclean

… Wow … check out the prices of transporting individual items by container ship in this short video … just remarkable … in case you are wondering why our bulk retail outlets are bulging with abundant supplies of extremely low cost goods … thank you Malcom McLean …

Malcom McLean and Containerisation | Maersk Line – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq8UU9kafJ0

… concluding …

… Isn’t it remarkable how thieving and ignorant politicians and bureaucrats have managed to completely screw up the new housing production industry … since the Levitts and Malcom McLean have made it possible for very affordable new housing to be produced.

This is how most local government is ‘managed’ …

The Great Inertia Sector: A whistleblower’s account of council work where staff pull six-month sickies … UK Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289702/Public-sector-inertia-council-office-employees-month-sickies.html

Quiz question for the academics … If the Levitts could supply new housing after WW11 at 2.3 times single earner income, when product was expensive and difficult to obtain … how much should fringe new starter housing cost following the creation of the container industry by Malcom McLean … where today there is a glut of considerably less expensive product ?

Factor in other residential development / construction industry productivity improvements since WW11 as well of course.

Unaffordable housing sure is a nonsense issue.
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October 4, 2017 11:06am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Comment from academic colleague …
  
  There is a growing awareness that Malcom MacLean was the most consequential maritime businessman since the invention of the all steel ship powered by steam, in the 1870s.
  MacLean became an enormous business owner and executive despite having only a school leaver’s education.
  Only yesterday did I hear MacLean’s voice for the first time, in a short video embedded in the link you kindly distributed. His working class/rural accent was so strong and so peculiar that I could not understand more than the occasional word.
  
  I learned very recently that the finest ship building firms of our time are South Korean. Since 1950, South Korea has experienced what may be the most dramatic industrial transformation any nation has ever experienced.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:10am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Hugh, if we gave all the Cultural Marxist degenerates a one way helicopter ride out to sea, there would be plenty of houses for everyone.
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:22am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Jazz … You are wrong.
      
      The real problems are the protectionist deadbeats on the Right (something I learned way back in the early 1990’s) such as John Key and Nick Smith … with their supporters.
      
      I explained the situation at the beginning of the year … THE HOUSING CONSENSUS: WHERE IS THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ? …
      
      http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
      
      Extract Labour Housing Policy …
      
      http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
      
      Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
      
      Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
      .
      .
      It is important too to understand the significance of the opposition political parties working together within the MMP environment … as illustrated with the RMA amendment legislation back in March (much the same with the HASHA legislation September 2016) … reported by Bernard Hickey of Newsroom soon after …
      
      https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom
      
      7. Just in case you missed it…
      
      One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
      
      The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.
      
      The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
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      .
      The online Fairfax poll on favoured political party combinations needs to be considered …
      
      Poll: Which governing arrangement would you most like to see? … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97178666/poll-which-governing-arrangement-would-you-most-like-to-see
      
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      October 4, 2017 11:57am
    - Gabby
      
      How many marxist globohomo degenerates can you fit on your chopper jizzymitts.
      
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      October 4, 2017 2:50pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    IMF: High household debt triggers crisis
    … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/imf-high-household-debt-triggers-crisis/
    
    Via the IMF:
    
    Debt greases the wheels of the economy. It allows individuals to make big investments today–like buying a house or going to college – by pledging some of their future earnings.
    
    That’s all fine in theory. But as the global financial crisis showed, rapid growth in household debt – especially mortgages – can be dangerous. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    October 4, 2017 11:23am
- Nostradamus
  
  Has anyone seen Paulus Gnome?
  
  Mine is working the opposite, I can tick more than once! Can’t wait for ztev to get back and Hugh to paste something from yesterday, last week or last month, anytime but assuredly nothing new
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:23am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Nostra … What deadbeat protectionists on the Right think or don’t think is not relevant.
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:02pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      This is a cracker Kiwiblog post … from December last year …
      
      World poverty has fallen by 130,000 since yesterday! | Kiwiblog
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/12/world_poverty_has_fallen_by_130000_since_yesterday.html
      
      +Max Roser writes:
      
      Unfortunately the media is overly obsessed with reporting single events and with things that go wrong and does not nearly pay enough attention to the slow developments that reshape our world. With this empirical data on the reduction of poverty we can make it more concrete what a media that would report global development would look like. The headline could be “The number of people in extreme poverty fell by 130,000 since yesterday” and they wouldn’t have this headline once, but since – on average – there were 130,000 people fewer in extreme poverty every single day they should have had this headline every single day since 1990.
      
      An amazing achievement. See the graph below:
      
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      October 4, 2017 12:57pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Bye bye housing bubble … the former National – led Governments Poverty Creation Programme …
        
        September’s sales at Barfoot & Thompson were at their lowest level in nine years, with the bottom end of the market the most badly affected | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/90163/septembers-sales-barfoot-thompson-were-their-lowest-level-nine-years-bottom-end
        
        As the rate of mortgage borrowing growth continues to slow sharply, David Hargreaves ponders on what level of growth the RBNZ would be content with | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/90141/rate-mortgage-borrowing-growth-continues-slow-sharply-david-hargreaves-ponders-what
        
        QV’s latest figures show housing values in Auckland are almost back to where they were a year ago | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/90146/qvs-latest-figures-show-housing-values-auckland-are-almost-back-where-they-were-year
        
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        October 4, 2017 1:13pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Talking of deadbeats Hugh you would be top of the class and look what else you have turned into a bitter twisted moron, so before preaching your rage at others have a good look at yourself if you can get past that large ego of yours.
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:12pm
  - starboard
    
    No, but I can still see Hughs continuous dribble…
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:13pm
Digmen1

Countdown to phase out Plastic Bags.

Why this obsession with plastic bags?

I like them, I use them around the house and I do not litter.

Butter containers, donout containers, battery containers, meat containers, all contain much harder plastic.
What about those?
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October 4, 2017 11:12am
- Evadne
  
  It’s because the company can save money and virtue-signal at the same time.
  
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  October 4, 2017 11:16am
  - GoVege
    
    Nah, it’s because it’s a lot harder for a fish to swallow one of those than a plastic bag.
    It has a few seconds longer after wrestling with a hard plastic container to figure out ” this ain’t a jellyfish after all”.
    
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    October 4, 2017 5:38pm
- starboard
  
  New World want you to vote online about plastic bags, we know whats coming next don’t we; ” a whopping 92% of you have voted for no plastic bags at our checkouts! Yeah, right. We are not all Labour voting idiots Foodstuffs.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:30pm
  - doggone7
    
    We are not all Labour voting idiots Foodstuffs.
    We’re all plastic bag loving idiots who will only be happy when all life on the planet is suffocated by plastic bags.
    
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    October 4, 2017 1:08pm
- SPC
  
  I use them instead of bin liners – but then again if they supplied a bio-degradable alternative or paper bags etc no worries.
  
  The problem with re-useable bags is the assumption that people shopping have such bags in their cars for use – not everyone shopping is in this category.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:46pm
  - GoVege
    
    They do sell bio-degradable bags in the supermarket SPC.
    
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    October 4, 2017 5:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Why this obsession with plastic bags?
  
  Bugger! Idiot greenies… Now I will have to buy commercial rubbish bags for my kitchen bin that take very much longer to break down in the land fill as they are considerably thicker than supermarket bags. I also use supermarket bags for all sorts around the house.
  
  Damn shame, annoying and an added cost to buy commercial rubbish bag replacements. Grrrrr ?
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:24pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    And beyond the house. Try picking up your dog’s arse-biscuits with out one.
    
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    October 4, 2017 3:57pm
    - GoVege
      
      You can buy biodegradable poop bags too RP.
      Some $2 shops sell them as well as pet supply shops.
      
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      October 4, 2017 5:25pm
  - GoVege
    
    Your concern for the environment and fish is heart-warming, waikato chick.
    
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    October 4, 2017 5:22pm
  - Gabby
    
    You could just wash your bloody bin when you empty it.
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:49pm
flipper

From the horse’s mouth….

A good friend emailed me this to say:

“….As you know we were in Timaru last weekend for a family birthday. The conversation turned occasionally to water taxes and other taxes hated in the provinces.
But an amusing description of Taxcinda the Tooth Fairy from one of A******’s brothers.

“She looks like a horse eating thistles”

Horse owners will empathise I am sure.

Incidentally another business owner stated that there were a number of commercial developments in the industry parks at both Timaru and Ashburton on hold until there is clarity about Capital Gains Tax.

So much for a desire to “change the Government”.
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October 4, 2017 11:26am
Fletch

A famous reconstructive surgeon says that people are lining up to reverse their sex-change surgery but no one wants to talk about it.

Five years ago, Professor Miroslav Djordjevic, the world-leading genital reconstructive surgeon, received a patient at his Belgrade clinic. It was a transgender patient who had surgery at a different clinic to remove male genitalia – and had since changed their mind.

That was the first time Prof Djordjevic had ever been contacted to perform a so-called “reversal” surgery. Over the next six months, another six people also approached him, similarly wanting to reverse their procedures. They came from countries all over the Western world, united by an acute sense of regret.

At present, Prof Djordjevic has a further six prospective people in discussions with his clinic about reversals and two currently undergoing the process itself; reattaching the male genitalia is a complex procedure and takes several operations over the course of a year to fully complete.

Those wishing the reversal, Prof Djordjevic says, have spoken to him about crippling levels of depression following their transition and in some cases even contemplated suicide.

“It can be a real disaster to hear these stories,” says the 52-year-old. And yet, in the main part, they are not being heard.

Last week, it was alleged that Bath Spa University has turned down an application for research on gender reassignment reversal because it was a subject deemed “potentially politically incorrect”. James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specialises in working with transgender people, suggested the research after a conversation with Prof Djordjevic in 2014 at a London restaurant where the Serbian told him about the number of reversals he was seeing, and the lack of academic rigour on the subject.

To date, all of his reversals have been transgender women aged over 30 wanting to restore their male genitalia. Over the last two decades, the average age of his patients has more than halved, from 45 to 21.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/gender-reversal-surgery-rise-arent-talking/
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October 4, 2017 11:40am
- Gabby
  
  Reattach??
  Did they keep them in the freezer???
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:54pm
- lifesgood
  
  Just as I thought. Wanting to change sex is a mental illness. Operating on them is not addressing the real issue. These poor unfortunates are miserable with life and think if only they were another sex everything will be different…..it won’t be.
  
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  October 4, 2017 3:07pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks Fletch. Not too much of a surprise if we understand how so many think everything is instantaneous. Off or on again just like a light switch. The other sign of the times is the taxpayer should foot the bill.
  
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  October 4, 2017 6:14pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  How many times has the surgeon done it to itself?
  
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  October 4, 2017 6:46pm
softail 1450

but where are they getting the donor penises, that’s what I want to know ,maybe from the men at our tv breakfast programmes,they would be perfect for donor penises because most of them are still unused.
(well, for what they were originally designed for)
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October 4, 2017 11:50am
- Gabby
  
  Softcock girlyman bikers are happy to donate as they like to be comfy on their fat seats.
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  but where are they getting the donor penises
  Just make a new one out of part of your back lat muscle.
  https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-88-470-5696-1_31
  
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  October 4, 2017 3:18pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Catch-up MW. They can be reproduced by 3D printing in a range of sizes. 1 ,2 or 3 sock bunch size.
    
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    October 4, 2017 6:17pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  ” most of them are still unused.”
  Too small and worn out by ‘Jack’ing, or ‘Mat’urbating
  
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  October 4, 2017 6:50pm
doggone7

Things found in the news:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97523753/fleets-murder-accused-revealed-in-rotorua-district-court

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=10931162
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October 4, 2017 12:01pm
Fletch

Just watching 1 News and they played a report from ABC on Trump visiting the site of the catastrophe in Puerto Rico. Of course, they had to be critical. At one point Trump compared the numbers of dead between Katrina and the current death toll. It turned out to be 17 dead vs the many thousands dead in Katrina. Trump quoted the number and said to the official, “so you and your team have done very well”. The reporter though, from ABC could only say that Trump was comparing numbers as though from a ball game.

WTF is wrong with these people? They have so much Trump derangement syndrome that they have to find fault in any little thing he does. It’s ridiculous.
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October 4, 2017 12:20pm
- chiz
  
  The ABC reporter seemed to be correct based on the clip I saw. Fewer people died in Puerto Rico than from Katrina but it was surely possible to point this out more tactfully (and, perhaps, at a more tactful time and location). Obama and Clinton could have managed it and Reagan and Bush I could probably have done it, but Trump, like Bush II, is a verbal klutz.
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:30pm
SPC

The US has expelled 15 Cuban diplomats, saying Havana failed to protect US diplomats from mysterious acoustic attacks.

Nearly two dozen US personnel have suffered unexplained ill health in the city.

At least 21 people working at the US’s embassy in Cuba have reported health problems, ranging from mild brain trauma and deafness to dizziness and nausea.

Earlier reports suggested sonic attacks were to blame, but nothing has been proven.

Cuba denies targeting embassy staff, and the US has not blamed the country’s government for the suspected attacks.

Last week US officials said: “We don’t know the means, the methods or how the attacks are being carried out.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41490357

I wonder who has the motive of doing harm to US Cuba relations – deep state or a foreign party?
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October 4, 2017 12:23pm
- SPC
  
  Maybe the cube is using flying cigars to burn the ears as well as the arse of Americans who refuse to wear tin foil hats.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Ask Vladimir Putin !
  He still has a good run at managing Cuba – anything to upset the USA, no matter who is President.
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:10pm
- Gabby
  
  Those Cubans must be cunning indeed with their unrecordable sonic death waves. Poor primitive yanker victims of superior tech.
  
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  October 4, 2017 3:00pm
SPC

How long are we to get double speak out of this White House – it is not only Tilletson and Trump proffering different views on N Korea, but there is now Defence Sec Mattis saying the deal with Iran is good for the US while Trump considers pulling out of the deal.

It does smack of good cop bad cop, sane and the insane, but then again maybe Trump is simply posing as staunch to the GOP voting base, while the other two are simply representing professional expertise (which continues from administration to administration).

The downside is that Trump is seen as a loose cannon in the wider world who needs to be restrained by the establishment from doing the wrong thing. And at home paranoia that Trump cannot act on his mandate (reckless posturing to the public when out of government power) because he is not allowed to.
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October 4, 2017 12:33pm
- flipper
  
  Bollocks.
  Main stream USA does NOT care a jot what NZ or Europe thinks. The UN panty waists will wet their panties, but Trump, Tillerson, Mattis and Haley will not deviate. So whatever passes for analysis / comment here on TV or in selected reprints here of US east coast media is worthless!
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:13pm
  - Gabby
    
    Good bollock bad bollock.
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:38pm
cmm

Now the Commie rabble are roused: teachers want to strike

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11929440
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October 4, 2017 12:39pm
- Ross12
  
  Just read that cmm.
  If they are hoping for a Lab/Green Government would not think it would be a better tactic to wait a few weeks (until we find out who will Govern) before they announce this sort of thing?
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:46pm
  - SPC
    
    Thought the same thing.
    
    There is only a finite amount of money allocated in Labour’s planned increase in education spending (and little spare unallocated spending for other areas let alone direct into education if the pay increase is bigger than Labour planned for).
    
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    October 4, 2017 12:52pm
    - Paulus
      
      If Peters goes with Labour/Green he will not allow them to cancel the upcoming tax reduction legislated from the 1sr April next.
      That’s another $2 billion that Robertson will have to find so Cinderella will have to prematurely introduce all her new taxes, Water, CGT, Land Tax and Granny Tax.
      Winston will not allow it to happen.
      Robertson’s $11 billion hole becomes $13 billion next week.
      
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      October 4, 2017 2:16pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Noted SPC. They already know that Robbo has spent everything in the kitty and there is nothing for their first term to spare.
      Their man got shafted by Taxinda so they might like their prospects better under National.
      After 9 years in opposition what is another 3 years to wait if they can squeeze more money.
      The funniest part of their argument is they are doing it for the “children’s benefit”.
      
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      October 4, 2017 6:29pm
- SPC
  
  1984 speak – unions = commies.
  
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  October 4, 2017 12:49pm
Happychappy

It looks like the Teachers Union is trying to influence who Winston Peters chooses with their 14.5% wage demand or they could call a strike. Is this the start of back to the old days Union control where parents are held to ransom in or about the time of school holidays and could it get worse with a Labour,Green and NZ First Government.
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October 4, 2017 12:57pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No problem with THE BEST teachers getting a 14.5% increase and the rest getting somewhere between that and 0%.
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:31pm
- SPC
  
  A 14.5% wage increase is within Labour’s budget plan – they would get the last instalment in the last year of a second term c 2023.
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:36pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Strike as they wish, the leftie Teachers are not teaching the kids anything anyway – except how to be a socialist and vote Liabour
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:01pm
mandk

If the teachers weren’t so stupid and decided to become a profession, rather than a trade, they’d be earning a hell of a lot more than they do now.

$70k + 14.5% is probably a lot less than a decent CA or Lawyer makes.
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October 4, 2017 1:08pm
- SPC
  
  How do they do that?
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:33pm
- MCos
  
  If the teachers’ union became a professional association I don’t think for one moment the government is suddenly going to double their salaries or whatever you’re suggesting.
  In the meantime the top pay level for a stock standard teacher is a puny $70,000. No wonder Auckland schools cannot fill vacancies.
  
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  October 4, 2017 3:00pm
  - mandk
    
    I’m not suggesting it would happen suddenly.
    It would take time.
    After all, it would need a bit of work to enhance their status when they’ve put themselves on an equal footing with bus drivers and hamburger flippers.
    
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    October 4, 2017 5:22pm
- Gabby
  
  Take it up with Jim Bogger’s lot. They changed the rules.
  
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  October 4, 2017 3:03pm
Digmen1

If teachers had voted for Act, they’d be earning a whole lot more.
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October 4, 2017 1:15pm
- SPC
  
  Only if National was prepared to pay the higher wages – because ACT wanted them to spend hundred of millions extra each year to break teacher unions.
  
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  October 4, 2017 1:30pm
- MCos
  
  If teachers, or anyone else voted for ACT expecting a pay rise they probably answer emails from Nigeria too.
  
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  October 4, 2017 2:47pm
- doggone7
  
  We know from reading on here that teachers are really stupid but thinking they’re that stupid that they’d vote for Act?
  
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  October 4, 2017 4:13pm
sooty

So the unions have admitted that the commie chick Taxcinda has no show off been PM of a Labour led goverment. Thats two unions going on strike so far. They would not dare if she was the goverment.
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October 4, 2017 1:33pm
Monique Watson

Gotta love The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/article/white-house-not-geologic-era-debate-gun-control-57108
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October 4, 2017 1:50pm
flipper

Guess who made this claim in relation to a W English U Tube item posted today. The item deals with the coalition circus…..
” ….. isn’t available to Bill in any other method.
It may have worked on others, but this kind of thing won’t work on Winston. He’s been around the block more than a few times. Worse, he’s carrying decades of history, resentment and a huge helping of wanting to mete out some just deserts. “

The observation might well be the nadir of political insight. Is it also the result of absurd personal antipathy toward W English resulting from long past imaginary slights…….and a futile attempt to push the leadership barrow of an Auckland MP.
An otherwise useful blog and “read” is being lowered to that of “The Standard”.
Sad !
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October 4, 2017 2:01pm
dime

had a look at whale oil.

how long til whale oil just comes out and says –
“i wanna blow winston”??

jesus that dude is painful
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October 4, 2017 2:03pm
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin fellative
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:34pm
Digmen1

I’ve always had a low opinion of teachers.
Its time that we got rid of their unions.
And looked at performance pay.
And thought about teaching the cirriculum not social engineering.

No way!
They need to LEARN that the government is their employer.
They do not run education!
Bus drivers do not run the bus companies!
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October 4, 2017 2:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  Doctors don’t run hospitals.
  Lawyers don’t run law firms.
  Soldiers don’t run armies.
  Police officers don’t run the police force.
  So why should teachers run schools.
  Makes no sense.
  
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  October 4, 2017 4:09pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Mike don’t run the railways – in Wellywood anyway
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:06pm
- doggone7
  
  Tell us why you’ve always had a low opinion of teachers.
  
  Did any of them ever have a high opinion of you?
  
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  October 4, 2017 4:14pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I appreciate most of the work they do with our children.
    But I have never liked their superior holier than thou attittude, and the way the teachers union tries to dictate to the government.
    For instance they often bang on about teacher shortages. But that is up to the government who has to pay them.
    They were also in the vanguard of the no discipline movement that Labour brought in way back and that now comes home to bite them.
    
    Their strong unions annoy me. Why are they clever enough to negotiate their own salaries?
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:15pm
    - Gabby
      
      You dicman, the gummint sets the ratios. If those aren’t met there’s a shortage. It’s the CEO union that pisses me off. They don’t even pay fees.
      
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      October 4, 2017 7:31pm
- KevOB
  
  On a performance basis primary teachers may merit a pay decrease. Over indoctrinated for little teaching.
  
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  October 4, 2017 5:14pm
- Gabby
  
  You dicman. They do run education. They cope pretty well despite various dicmen in gummint jamming more and more bullshit into the curriculum.
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:33pm
doggone7

” … for all of the morons out there.
The fools, the buffoons, the vapid oxygen thieves who are the enemies of reason, whose foolishness is only matched by their self-righteousness, whose understanding of key issues is inversely proportional to the loudness with which they speak …
While I could look at the hardcore Green voters who lashed out at the media for the demise of Meteria Turei, without question the most egregious example was the defence by blinkered National supporters of Steven Joyce’s $11.9b fiscal hole claim. One such supporter was Bill English, a man who to this point I have only ever written positively about.

Whether of not Joyce set out to cause mischief, or he simply misread the books and embarrassment and pigheadedness meant he was unable to back down (the latter theory I favour), we’re all aware that a swath of leading economists came out and debunked what he said.

What did Joyce do? Deny, deny, attack, deny, deny. And, of course, many of his people defended it, made excuses, or misrepresented the evidence.

All good people should have called that nonsense out in unison.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11929095
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October 4, 2017 4:16pm
- Happychappy
  
  Are you a sore loser as that is politics. So let’s see if Labour become the Government how they dig themselves out of Steven Joyce’s hole without any money to pay for the Teachers 14.5% pay rise they are demanding.
  
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  October 4, 2017 4:28pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Easy they’ll get rid of 14.5% of teachers whilst simultaneously reducing student/teacher ratios (please do not try and equate those two statements or you’ll go mad).
    
    Over 4 years salary increases are more than 10% so that means about 900 less police officers. And then there’s all the other Ministries and Depts which will have to shed 10% of their staff. Unless they tell the unions to get stuffed and there’s going to be a pay freeze for 4 years.
    
    But no hole, the numbers all add up.
    
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    October 4, 2017 4:42pm
JasonJohns

There’s a stray Alsation causing a lot of trouble in Ngaruawahia. Maybe even further abroad…going from town to town…
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October 4, 2017 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You still haven’t told me of the attractions of Ngaruawahia.
  
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  October 4, 2017 4:59pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s not Otara.
    
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    October 4, 2017 6:38pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Tell you what…the dogs. I led a dignity patrol of my militia yesterday and we tracked that huge Alsation for three hours forty-five minutes. And then in front of the sheds it did the hugest excretion. I’m talking something the SIZE OF A WINE BOTTLE.
    
    So yes we have some remarkable mutts. I will introduce you to some when you visit.
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:31pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not sure that I want to know, kea, but what is a ‘dignity patrol’?
      
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      October 4, 2017 7:37pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        1. I am not Kea. I am tho Kev88…
        
        2. We had to patrol with something and there was a suggestion we use replica firearms or toys thereof but the danger was police getting the wrong idea so we actually now carry fluorescent water guns, as stand-ins for the gun (slug) back at HQ. But people get the message. There are numerous gangs contesting the ‘turf’ here. We are the only one based in Biblical science.
        
        And that dog…
        
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        October 4, 2017 7:40pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So you carry toy guns to enhance your dignity.
        
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        October 4, 2017 7:43pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        There are a lot of paranoid people here on Kiwiblog worried about double identities and pseudonyms.
        
        In the past week I’ve been told I am:
        * RealityCzech
        * A Nazi
        * A Russian Troll
        * Reid
        * A Muslim
        
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        October 4, 2017 7:43pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Umm Jason.
      
      Don’t you ‘supposedly’ live in Eke?
      
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      October 4, 2017 8:22pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  More news at our next “Breaking News” from something NN?
  Strange Keas go from town to town – but why Ngaruawahia? It is a ‘nothing’ unless you want a feed bro
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:13pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    You come to the Delta Steve. On a Friday night. Beside the urinals the talk flows.
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:35pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      I expect reality Czech will be along later. When he comes ask him why he doesn’t stick up on these questions. He has knowledge.
      
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      October 4, 2017 7:44pm
RF

We must not forget that Bill has promised the old folk a pension increase next year.

The commie chic will not be interested in this if
she is PM so hard luck oldies.

I hope Winston will look after his flock and do the right thing as they will be bitterly disappointed if the increase is not forthcoming.
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October 4, 2017 4:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But Jacinda will give us $600 to keep warm.
  
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  October 4, 2017 5:01pm
  - KevOB
    
    Winston might argue for a $600 pensioner warmer too.
    
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    October 4, 2017 10:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  Wrong in part RF. It is tax reduction that will be only gained by couples on the pension. But Winston First will do what’s best for him choosing the best option for his legacy. He can easily con his faithful as they know he knows best.
  
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  October 4, 2017 6:41pm
Nostradamus

Maggy:

Any thoughts on this: Heart ailments and erectile dysfunction: Life on the dating scene for women over forty.

When American businesswoman Darlene Daggett sued her matchmaking services firm last month for setting her up on a string of horrific dates, the news ricocheted around the world.

And no wonder. For her US$150,000, Ms Daggett, 62, was introduced to, among others, a man who passed out from a heart ailment on their first date, and a convicted felon. Another potential suitor told her he was waiting for his terminally ill wife to die before re-entering the dating pool.

Ms Daggett and the matchmaking company ended up settling out of court.

The US$150,000 matchmaking fee, if that’s the going rate, suggests there’s a lucrative business opportunity for us! What say you and I go into partnership, set up a NZ business called Love At First Sight, and split the NZ$150,000 matchmaking fee two-ways?
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October 4, 2017 5:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  set up a NZ business called Love At First Sight, and split the NZ$150,000 matchmaking fee two-ways
  
  Nah…, too late ….I can see you are trying to muscle-in on Pete George’s site.
  https://yournz.org/2017/10/04/general-chat-52/
  
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  October 4, 2017 5:46pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I clicked on your link and it seems that Pete George caters for a niche category of pillow talk:
    
    Kitty Catkin: Waxeyes are shovelling tangeloes down their necks on the bird table-any possum coming along later may be disappointed.
    
    Gezza: Woohoo – Mama Fawny Duck (dunno what breed she’ll be) just tugboated on down the stream, supervising her 6 little spotted ducklings as they zipped all over the stream – & Tameiti Te Tuna turned up! … All these eels seem as keen to come right up to the bank several times to check me out. They respond to being addressed. They’ll be yummy as smoked, but man they are amazing fish to watch close up.
    
    Surely we can cater for a more – how can I put it – refined client base?
    
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    October 4, 2017 6:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You exclude the possibility of ‘refined’ clients being interested in animals? Johnboy will be upset.
      
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      October 4, 2017 6:27pm
      - nasska
        
        Upset? You haven’t seen the half of it.
        
        Flossie’s holding out for a pre nuptial agreement. 🙂
        
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        October 4, 2017 6:31pm
      - mikenmild
        
        A bit late for that. I think the relationship has been consummated, many times.
        
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        October 4, 2017 6:38pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Mike, we don’t strictly patrol. It is more on a conceptual level. ‘Theatre of the skull’, as they put it…
        
        Look forward to your e mail and photo btw
        
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        October 4, 2017 7:53pm
Nostradamus

Council defends hole in bus shelter logic

Summary: (1) 4 years of planning + (2) $300,000 of ratepayers’ money = (3) bus shelter with a large hole in the roof.

The Marlborough District Council’s explanation:

The hole actually represents the Māori name for the Wairau Valley, Kei puta te Wairau, which means “the place with the hole in the sky” or “the place with the hole in the cloud”. The rest of the shelter, designed by architects in Christchurch, is meant to mimic the peaks and valleys of Blenheim’s Wither Hills. It also has a space protected by reinforced glass walls.

So the reason for having a bus shelter with a large hole in the roof: some tenuous connection with Kei puta te Wairau and the Wither Hills.

A breakdown of how the council spent its $300,000 on the shelter has been requested.

That’ll be interesting!
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October 4, 2017 6:59pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Nosty,
  
  did you manage to get hold of Reid the other week?
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:04pm
  - sooty
    
    The reason the council had a hole in the roof 2as so they could grow a tree out the top!
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:13pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      I hope not Sooty. Just imagine the cost of a culturally-appropriate tree-planting ceremony. And that’s after the costs associated with all the hui that will be needed to appoint a Kei puta te Wairau committee, and for the committee members to decide (with appropriate levels of culturally-appropriate stakeholder consultation) which type of tree will be planted, what direction it should face, and what the tree’s name should be. The poor ratepayers!
      
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      October 4, 2017 7:20pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    EAD:
    
    The consensus (mixed views either way) seemed to be that I should try calling him. I tried but no one answered. The fact that his telephone line is still connected is potentially good news. After reading your comment, I’ve just tried again, but no one answered.
    
    Two possibilities that come to mind are extended travel and hospitalisation. I really hope he’s ok.
    
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    October 4, 2017 7:14pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Thanks Nosty,
      
      I thought Johnboy knew Reid personally so perhaps he could find out for us.
      
      Either way, let’s hope he’s OK.
      
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      October 4, 2017 7:45pm
- Gabby
  
  Jawsie says ‘I fucking KNEW there was a hole.’
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:56pm
- Gabby
  
  That’s some pretty literal minded architects. Bit on the simple side even.
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:58pm
Tauhei Notts

Extract from an email from the son-in-law in Barcelona.
“I saw a police car driving down the street and all the cars about it were honking their horns as a protest, and almost all of the pedestrians were hooting at it.”
The police in Catalonia seem to have lost the confidence of Joe Public. This could all turn out to be very ugly.
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October 4, 2017 7:16pm
- nasska
  
  Very ugly. One of the greatest truisms of Western life is that policing is only by consent.
  
  Regardless of the arrogance of Police HQ the cop on the beat needs the co-operation of the majority of society.
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:28pm
- cha
  
  I guess it takes more than forty years to forget the Guardia’s hand in forty years of Falangist repression.
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nostradamus,

I’m pleased you cracked that code on P.G.s site.

I must admit I have found Geeza a very couth chap, quite unlike the clientele over here… but Kittycat really cruels my pitch at times.

Now I need some advice…. as I’m nearly 50 years out of the “scene”, …. JasonJohns seems very keen to get me over to Ngaruawahia, but I’m not really sure that he truly wants to sell me a pig dog.
Why else would he want me to check out his big alsatian poop?
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October 4, 2017 7:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  I think we need to call in the experts: Starboard and Scott Chris may be able to advise you. And, noting JasonJohn’s comment that “Beside the urinals the talk flows”, you’ll need at least one male escort!
  
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  October 4, 2017 7:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nostradamus,
I’ve been reconsidering your business proposition and I think we could make it work if we target a specific audience.
I think it has to be the highly refined elderly with mobility problems.
(any self-respecting old codger can fly up to Thailand/Phillipines etc and purchase a couple of wives for well under $150,000 – and any sly old bird can get a couple of toy-boy student lodgers el cheapo, these days).
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October 4, 2017 8:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Great – I’ll start working on a business proposal.
  
  any sly old bird can get a couple of toy-boy student lodgers el cheapo, these days
  
  Is that what the Labour Party intern programme was really about? So the party line that the interns were here to help out with the election campaign wasn’t entirely accurate, and the real purpose was to service elderly ladies? Well I never!
  
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  October 4, 2017 8:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll start working on a business proposal.
    
    Good oh…
    I reckon with Last night’s expose about the correct protocol at foreign dunnies (left foot entry?), it might be wise to organise rendezvous at more neutral locales such as bus-stops, airports or park benches.
    
    I’ll submit my Director’s Fees account forthwith.
    
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    October 4, 2017 8:53pm
double d

It is Judgement day
Go the Yankees!
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October 4, 2017 8:29pm
- double d
  
  Baseball reference btw.
  
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  October 4, 2017 10:30pm
  - tom hunter
    
    ALL RISE!
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    October 5, 2017 2:03am
cha

Of course…..Florida man..

Schreiber also pleaded guilty in the separate penis case, although the case was hampered because the victim was reluctant to testify in public. He operated on a man in 2015 who had received a botched “penis filler” operation from another suspected illegal doctor.

When the man regained consciousness at home, he discovered “blood-soaked bandages” and that his penis has been “mutilated,” according to court documents. The victim sent text-message photos of his mangled genitals to Schreiber, police said.

“At that point, rather than referring that gentleman to a hospital … he recommends to take two popsicle sticks and tie his penis together and wait for swelling to go down,” a Miami-Dade prosecutor said at a hearing last year.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article176571176.html
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October 4, 2017 8:47pm
nasska

…..”a botched “penis filler” operation”…..

Doubtlessly another sad ‘micropenis conservativus’ cure gone wrong. 🙂
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October 4, 2017 9:05pm
publicwatchdog

Why is Tamaki Regeneration Ltd not listed as a Sch 4A Company under the Public Finance Act, as is Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd?

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5840214/shareholdings?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DTamaki%2520Regeneration%2520Ltd

This shows the Shareholding of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd (TRL) which is 100% owned by the Crown, has over 1.6 billion shares, of which just 100 shares are owned by Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd.
TRC (59% Crown – 41% Auckland Council).

Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd (TRC) and Tamaki Regeneration Ltd (TRL) are two separate companies, with different shareholders, Constitutions, ‘aims and objectives’.

Tamaki Redevelopment Company was supposedly focused on ‘regeneration’ of Glen Innes, Pt England and Panmure.

However, Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, IMO, is actually delivering gentrification, on behalf of private property developers and investors.

Why is TRL not equally listed as a Sch 4A Company under the Public Finance Act, as is TRC?

Public Finance Act 1989 No 44 (as at 04 September 2017), Public Act Schedule 4A Non-listed companies in which Crown is majority or sole shareholder – New Zealand Legislation

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0044/latest/DLM5466801.html

Where is Tamaki Regeneration Ltd?
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TRL owns $1.6 billion worth of former Housing NZ properties- TRC owns nothing.

As I understand it – because TRL is NOT so listed – it does not come under the State Services Commission regarding ‘Code Of Conduct’ / ‘Integrity’?

http://www.ssc.govt.nz/code-organisations

Agencies covered by the State Services Commissioner’s Standards of Integrity and Conduct | State Services Commission

Tāmaki Redevelopment Company Limited (TRC)

But NOT Tamaki Regeneration Ltd (TRL) which actually OWNS $1.6 billion worth of former Tamaki State housing assets!

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Neither TRC nor TRL are listed as Sch 2 companies under the Crown Entities Act.

Crown Entities Act 2004 No 115 (as at 01 July 2017), Public Act Schedule 2 Crown entity companies – New Zealand Legislation

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2004/0115/latest/DLM331125.html
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TRL is not listed as a company that comes under Treasury’s Crown Monitoring Unit.

The Crown’s Commercial Portfolio: A to Z of Entities —

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/statesector/commercial/portfolio/atoz
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So – how is this 100% Crown-owned TRL being audited and monitored in a proper, lawful and accountable way?

How on earth did this happen?

Who is responsible for ensuring 100% Crown-owned companies, ARE properly listed under the Public Finance Act?

And the Crown Entities Act?

What is the role of the OAG in ensuring that 100% Crown-owned companies, are correctly listed as such, under-pinning legislation?

How about Treasury’s Crown Monitoring Unit?

How about the Crown Shareholding Ministers of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd?

Formerly Bill English – now Steven Joyce and Nick Smith?

How about the Board of Directors of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd?

How truly ‘mickey mouse’ is this?

All happening in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (according to, IMO, the obviously completely meaningless 2016 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 4, 2017 9:12pm
- sooty
  
  If you was a true anti-corruption whistle-blower, you would report your self if it was true! You are just someone with an over inflated opinion of yourself. Who has a monkey on your property title, put on by the council so it has first dibs on the sale of your property, which is growing every day.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:22pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  The question here is could you be the most unaware person in NZ?
  
  Really …. have you ever done an iq test?
  
  There is a point where mocking you is just wrong, you don’t tease the special kid at school…
  
  But FFS Penny, you really do need a reality check!
  
  Pay your mother fucking rates, get a grip on reality and simply Fuck Off
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  You may not be aware that (on the preliminary result):
  – 201 Tāmaki people voted for you
  – 31,454 Tāmaki people didn’t vote for you
  – In fact, out of 7 candidates, you came last.
  
  So the apparent message from the overwhelming majority of Tāmaki people is that they don’t want you meddling in their affairs.
  
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  October 4, 2017 9:39pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I think you should hold off any definitive assessment of Penny’s performance until the final results are announced.
    
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    October 4, 2017 9:55pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      They were in long ago Mike
      
      Bat.Shit.Crazy.
      
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      October 4, 2017 9:59pm
    - double d
      
      Ha mike. That was funny. Snort.
      The maths tells us that with 15% of the votes to be counted, Penny will go to the dizzy heights of 231 votes.
      Are there 231 people in NZ that stupid.
      
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      October 4, 2017 10:34pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Well, she got over 7,000 in last year’s mayoral election, so what does that tell you about Aucklanders?
        
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