General Debate 2 October 2017

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NZpatriot

A tragic terror in Canada and France. The small-scale insurgency continues.

Downtick if anyone is surprised…
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October 2, 2017 8:09am
- RalphT
  
  NZp, for some reason this computer won’t let me uptick, so please treat this as a green tick.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:15am
  - Happychappy
    
    When I use my phone it wont let me tick either.
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:33am
    - RalphT
      
      I can tick on my phone and iPad, but not on this pc, although I can make comments.
      
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      October 2, 2017 8:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Go to your History tab and delete the cookies. Should be fine for upticking or downticking after that.
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:39am
      - RalphT
        
        Thanks, KS. That fixed the problem.
        
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        October 2, 2017 11:09am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Windows 7 / fire fox no problems on this site.
      Word press seems to be having issues with some browsers or operating systems .
      
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      October 2, 2017 8:42am
  - mandk
    
    Same here
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:57am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Yet more horror in the escalating catalogue of terror attacks in our formerly peaceful lands yet still those who rule over us keep in bringing in the military age males in by the thousands on a daily basis while at the same time ramping up the police state & the MSM barrage of “hate” against those of us who point out this lunacy is destroying us.
  
  The truth is we are having a type of warfare so effective, that despite paying for the invaders, feeding them and them raping our women (that’s what military conquerors do)only a small percentage of the population even realises we are under attack.
  
  A type of warfare where even less of the population can even identify the enemy. A type of warfare so comprehensive and diabolical, that after our fall, the enemy can present themselves and be accepted as our saviors.
  
  Waking people up to the new type of warfare being waged against Western Civilisation is very difficult because it destroys one’s whole world paradigm.
  
  Waking up to the reality of The Fall of Western Civilisation gives one the feeling of standing in quicksand. Furthermore, the language used when communicating the wake up call has effectively been labeled as “hate speech” or “lunatic”.
  
  Quite a dilemma us “extemists” find ourselves in…..
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:39am
  - Gruffydd
    
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    The war on terror.
    Has resulted in war coming to the west.
    How totally fucking surprising .
    
    Meantime the west is still killing thousands every month in the middle east.
    
    I blame the USA conservative party for escalating the Muslim problem and ignoring that 9/11 was an atrocity committed by Saudi Arabia nationals and funding not those they attacked.
    You reap what you sow.
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:48am
    - cmm
      
      You were going pretty well until:
      
      “I blame the USA conservative party for escalating the Muslim problem”
      
      Sure Bush screwed up, but nowhere near as much as Obama and Clinton did over the last three years in office.
      
      Bush kept in quite localised. Obama and CLinton fully destabilised Mediterranean Africa etc.
      
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      October 2, 2017 9:17am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “Sure Bush screwed up, but nowhere near as much as Obama and Clinton did over the last three years in office.”
        
        There has never been any difference in USA foreign policy from presidency to presidency – THEY ARE ALL Globohomos running a game of “Bomb them and invite them” globalist insanity.
        
        That is the whole point of Brexit and Trump – a massive backlash by white nationalism finally fighting back against the degenerates running the show.
        
        Even Trump did a u turn on Syria – going from “leave the Kebabs to sort their own shit” to “OMG we need to organise a ‘humanitarian intervention’ to save Kebab sprogs from (fake news) chem attacks”.
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:32am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        running a game of “Bomb them and invite them” globalist insanity.
        
        That is Quote of the week Jazz Hands and it’s Monday morning!
        
        People need to ask themselves Cui bono?
        
        As a place to start, people would do well to research “The Yinon Plan”
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:42am
      - hullkiwi
        
        I agree, the other point being it wasn’t the Conservative Party, that followed Bush without question. It was Blur’s Labour government. You were only out by 9 years.
        What is problematic for the Tories is how they have swept the findings of the Chilcott Enquiry under the carpet.
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:57am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        I presume your use of “localised” means the invasion of Iraq. However, ISIS with its presence in Iraq and Syria, has its direct source in the invasion.
        
        I think you will find that most foreign policy experts would put the invasion of Iraq as the worst foreign policy decision by a US president since the end of WW2.
        
        Nothing Obama did (or did not do) is remotely comparable. Libya is relatively small beer in comparison.
        
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        October 2, 2017 2:55pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘Libya is relatively small beer in comparison.’
        
        Tell that to the Libyans , the thousands of drowned illegal immigrants going to Europe and the Europeans now hosting tens of thousands of illegals coming through Libya .
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:24pm
    - kowtow
      
      Muslim immigration has resulted in war coming to the west.
      
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      October 2, 2017 9:32am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    So where does all this lead to?
    Hundreds of thousands of easily identifiable unskilled, aggressive, opportunistic, non-productive people in parts of Europe.
    Can they look after themselves? Can they create self-funding communities that can provide the goods and services that the host nations value?
    
    Remember the movie “A Bug’s Life.”
    Hopper: Let this be a lesson to all you ants! Ideas are very dangerous things! You are mindless, soil-shoving losers, put on this Earth to serve us!
    Flik: You’re wrong, Hopper. Ants are not meant to serve grasshoppers. I’ve seen these ants do great things, and year after year they somehow manage to pick food for themselves *and* you. So-so who is the weaker species? Ants don’t serve grasshoppers! It’s *you* who need *us*! We’re a lot stronger than you say we are… And you know it, don’t you?
    
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    October 2, 2017 9:44am
Happychappy

Another day in NZ Politics and a chance to read Muttonhead and the rest of the drop outs from the standard try to explain why we need a change of Government.
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October 2, 2017 8:12am
Longknives

More Terror Attacks in France and Canada.
Can you even imagine Adern as PM when something like that goes down in New Zealand??
I reckon she will go into a blind panic, revert to type and zip off to a School to talk to the kids about ‘Diversity and Empathy’..
*Leaving the grown-ups to deal with the crisis..
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October 2, 2017 8:14am
- RalphT
  
  Nah, she’ll say we need to understand them better and will insist on importing another 10,000 so we can give them lots of cuddles. After that they’ll want to give up their wicked ways and will become peace-loving citizens and useful members of society.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:18am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    will insist on importing another 10,000
    
    So they’ll maintain Nationals policies basically…
    
    Do you think Labour would retain Devoy to keep on lecturing us for pointing out the Diversity Emporer has no clothes?
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:46am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember as I understand that many people were contacted for the Devoy job and nobody wanted it under any circumstances.
      Thence we have Devoy who should stick to Squash coaching.
      She is a good person but way out of her depth being controlled by her senior staff.
      
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      October 2, 2017 10:11am
      - sam green
        
        How do you know this?
        
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        October 2, 2017 10:33am
  - kowtow
    
    In Europe the response of the wealthy and well guarded elites is ” It’s our fault they hate us , we must spend more to integrate them”
    
    In stead of the sensible thing, close your borders.
    
    Meanwhile they bring more in.
    
    ‘The European Union is planning to resettle 50,000 refugees directly from war-torn countries into Europe in its latest bid to stabilise migration to the bloc, it announced on Wednesday.’
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/eu-resettle-50000-refugees-north-africa/
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:51am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Sadly, it is not for ultristic reasons at all. In reality the reasons are all economic. Europe’s current population is not renewing itself, so it needs cheap, young people to prop up economies with excessive welfare & debt. Cynical, but true.
      
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      October 2, 2017 10:04am
      - kowtow
        
        There are plenty of unemployed youth in Spain and Greece who could do the work . Europe does not need to import third worlders , the majority of whom will never work or integrate.
        And the work they do do is low paid unskilled , at a time when automation for that type of work is increasing.
        
        Madness.
        
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        October 2, 2017 12:10pm
- oldpark
  
  To think the Baby faced Trudeau has been hugging the terrorists since he got elected . Now it is pay back time for his welcome to Canada for all Muslims from Syria. Not so long ago he give a terrorist Ten Million Dollars because he had spent some time in Gitmo. Even though he had murdered a Special Forces American soldier.The terrorist qualified,because he was a Canadian born Taleban terrorist.Canadian voters were incandescent with rage.
  Trudeau is now starting to reap what he sowed and wouldn’t listen to his advisors.
  “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern is besotted with him,she mentions the clown often,maybe even a role model .Hope not.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:35am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Ardern is Trudeau in a frock.
    
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    October 2, 2017 9:48am
- cmm
  
  Just take more selfies… those fix everything.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:39am
- kowtow
  
  The diversity dividend paying off in Denmark.
  
  ‘Starting Friday, armed soldiers from the Danish Armed Forces (Forsvaret) will replace police officers at both Denmark’s southern border to Germany and at potential terror targets in Copenhagen.’
  
  https://www.thelocal.dk/20170928/armed-military-to-replace-cops-on-danish-streets-and-border
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:57am
  - MickMac
    
    It couldn’t happen to nicer people…
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:58am
- Rachael Membery
  
  This Jacinda might ‘school’ you.
  Is this flattering or not?
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503081&gal_cid=1503081&gallery_id=182582
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:09am
- flipper
  
  L0rdy, I gave a thumbs up to pocketknives!
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  October 2, 2017 10:04am
oldpark

How appropiate to hear the song last night called Ring! Ring ! Ring! Thats what Bill English did when he called snake oil Peters. All he got was the “Sound of Silence”.Appears snake oil Peters was out to lunch. Or was he out miming the words of the song” Its Only Make Believe”,getting ready to screw Bill Englishs’ National Party or even the “Commie Chic” Comrade Arderns lie-bour Party.”That will be the day” when snake oil PETERS lets anything” slip throught the tips of his fingers”. The only thing we can all be sure of is “Integrity” will be up for grabs in any coalition result. Question whose “Integrity”
One thing for sure after many handshakes all around,fingers will have to be checked and counted,to see that there are still five fingers on the hand.
We will wait for an answer anytime within the next seventy days. That is how long it took snake oil Peters to announce his decision in 1996. Maybe he will just play the oldie and a goodie ABBA song .”THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL “.
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October 2, 2017 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Oldpark – I think Peters is more likely to looking for Money, Money, Money!!
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:23am
  - softail 1450
    
    the little bastard peters is on fricking holiday,he refused to take a call from Bill English yesterday.
    this is what the stupid peters voters love, “Winnie standing up to the big boys” what a bloody joke this system is.
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:53am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      National got 46% of the votes, over 10% more than any other party.
      They have the moral right to put a Government together. We shouldn’t be dictated to by a wizened old sot with delusions of grandeur from his 7%.
      
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      October 2, 2017 9:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And Bill tried to ring the grumpy bastard – he refused to take the call.
        What childishness. Do we really want the future of our country in the hands of this arrogant old prick?
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:25am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        This is MMP ‘working as intended’.
        
        This isn’t a bug, it is a feature.
        
        To solve a problem, you can’t use the thinking that created the problem.
        
        This has happened 3 times in the 8 MMP elections. How many more times does it have to happen before there is enough support to change the ‘settings’.
        
        This has been by far the most entertaining of the MMP elections, democracy in NZ has now devolved to ‘Shortland Street’ quality. Awesome.
        
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        October 2, 2017 3:20pm
    - GoVege
      
      I am disappointed with Winston.
      Before the election he kept talking about “responsibility”.
      
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      October 2, 2017 10:04am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that they have spoken this morning.
      
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      October 2, 2017 12:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2hYDIFDIU
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:08am
- Rachael Membery
  
  At least I trust the caretaker government.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:10am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If Winston doesn’t answer, English should call Ron Mark. The NZ First caucus without Winston has sufficient numbers to form a coalition with National and it’s about time they started trying to manage without him.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:36am
Gruffydd

Meth testing: $52m on an irrational fear

Irrational fear about trace elements of meth has driven the Government to waste $52 million on testing and housing repairs. Health experts tell Baz Macdonald the money would be much better spent finding and fixing mould and asbestos that kill tenants.
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NZ Drug Foundation president Ross Bell said the science does not back up the need for such an industry and it has played on the fears of New Zealand people in order to make a profit.
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Massey University applied environmental chemist Dr Nick Kim has been involved with this issue since 2010 when he was consulted on the original guidelines constructed by the Ministry of Health on the remediation of meth laboratories.

He, like many of the nearly 2000 other scientists who submitted on the meth testing standard instituted this year, believes this industry is unnecessary and there is little scientific justification for the level of scrutiny meth contamination is receiving.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/10/01/50790/meth-testing-52m-on-an-irrational-fear
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October 2, 2017 8:35am
- Inandout
  
  It sure is a booming industry, new meth testers starting almost on a weekly basis. License to print money.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:49am
- Gruffydd
  
  If you do get a positive test in a rental or new home a simple wash with sugar soap will clean surfaces sufficient to remove the contamination.
  
  One would have to ask is there a flow of money/benefit between Housing NZ staff ,Testers and those doing remedial work?
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:25am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  I talked to a building inspector a while back and he told me the meth inspection business has been nearly as good for the building business as the ‘leaky buildings’ hysteria.
  
  For leaky buildings, if you know where to test you can pretty much always guarantee a result which can be conflated sufficiently to justify massive whole of building remediation rather than just the localised repair work that in most cases would suffice.
  
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  October 2, 2017 3:24pm
Maxx

It amuses me in the absence of anything else to report on the MSM beat up on the Greens gathers pace.
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October 2, 2017 8:45am
Digmen1

Bill English is right, they should be having preliminary talks now – all of them.

So that when the final results come in, it only takes a few days.
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October 2, 2017 8:50am
- Maxx
  
  Its good that he’s letting the public know that he is trying to reach and also of the wider party that they are trying to reach out to the Greens.
  
  When it all goes to custard, nobody can blame the Nats for not trying to be the voice of reason and get on with running the country.
  
  Whats everyone else doing. Princess Fairydust is respecting Winstons wishes by waiting for him to give her a rose (is this the leader people want running to country??), Shaw’s busy being a can’t, and Winston, well he’s back to abusing the media when they can find him!
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:14am
- Rachael Membery
  
  It is going to anyway, isn’t it?
  9th October for the specials and confirmed votes, decision 12th.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Cross benches with Support and Supply to the largest Party, National.
    He made up his mind weeks ago anyway so the rest is irrelevant.
    That should piss off everybody
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:15am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Agree – it looks like the only way to keep the NZF base happy.
      
      Leading to a lame duck government by National, with a possibility of an early election.
      
      Plenty of time for them to work out how the hell they got there and what they can do to get the missing faithful back.
      
      (Easy recipe if any party faithful are reading:
      – back off the anti-semitic terrorist support stuff with the anti-semitic/terrorist supporting UN
      – back off the brownmail pandering and keep your promise to rid us of the Maori seats
      – back off the introduction of potential terrorists via the UN funded ~~muslim terrorist export~~ refugee program
      – back off the insanity of PC wage equity virtue-signalling
      – address the RMA properly
      – deal with the broken local government system
      – back off Climate Alarmism and the IPCC wealth redistribution scheme
      – go hard on charter schools and break the teachers’ union stranglehold on the future of our kids
      – go hard on infrastructure
      – back-off on ruining roads to cater for the 3% of users on bikes)
      
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      October 2, 2017 3:30pm
- oldpark
  
  One wouldn’t think that. Just been reading the blog of Snake Oil Peters latest cheer leader and arse licker. Seems he thinks it is a good thing that our Prime Minister Bill English got snubbed by Snake Oil Peters.
  Snake oil Peters has now come out and says he couldn’t return The PMs call because it was a bit late. Maybe he was too pissed, or his blogger arse licker from another blog site, and a disgrace to his financial supporters.,was just doing that.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:34am
Digmen1

Are those that voted for NZF…

Happy with what is happening, ie NZF holding the balance of power and leading us all one?

or

Are they annoyed that they voted for them, and wish they could change their mind!
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October 2, 2017 8:51am
- SGA
  
  I imagine it bothers ardent National (in particular) and Labour/Green supporters more than NZ First voters, tbh. A true Winstonite is likely to see this phonecall business as just a play to put pressure on NZ First.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:33am
- KevOB
  
  This “balance of power” is another media beat up.
  
  NZF can only have the aspirations to be invited to assist National to govern by agreeing to confidence and supply.
  
  National have first go at dealing with whom they will. Not the other way around. Winston cannot go to the Governor General and say he is willing to form a government. That right belongs to the party that gained the most seats in the election.
  
  The timing outrage is a media one too. There is nothing new: the votes have always been about a fortnight in counting and checking. If Jacinda knows her constitutional manners she will know Bill English gets first turn in attempting to get the members together to give National confidence and supply. Five days after the writs would be be a very reasonable time to have this concluded.
  
  Government still continues meanwhile.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:56am
  - SGA
    
    … go to the Governor General and say he is willing to form a government. That right belongs to the party that gained the most seats in the election.
    
    Is that true? I thought that any party having a minority of seats would only go to the GG if they could demonstrate that they would have the confidence of the house. Not so?
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:01am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Exactly. The PM is the first person to reach an agreement that gives them the support of 61 votes in Parliament. How those votes are made up is irrelevant and nobody has the right to go first.
      
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      October 2, 2017 10:12am
      - KevOB
        
        The convention is not a free for all. The GG after the writs are returned is obliged to call firstly the leader of the party with the largest number of elected members; presumably with MMP their list members would be included too. That person can expect a reasonable time and opportunity to act.
        
        Voting totals and blocs are irrelevant.
        
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        October 2, 2017 12:03pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    The timing outrage is one caused by The Electoral Act 1996. As a piece of legislation it reflects more the thinking of the period immediately post WWII rather than the end of the 20th Century. It is a nonsense that special votes cast in embassies/consulates abroad must first be returned to the Returns ng Officer of the constituency in NZ before they can be tallied. Then we get the nonsense that WP engages in. Hardly signs of a mature democracy.
    By contrast, usually in the UK, polling day is Thursday, polls close at 10pm, and the new PM (if there is a change of government) is invited by the Queen to Buckingham Palace to confirm that they have the confidence of the House to form a government. The new PM then arrives in Downing Street on the Friday afternoon. So the change of government is all happening within 24 hours. Not like our situation. It reminds me somewhat of the mess in 1984.
    
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    October 2, 2017 12:52pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Constitutional or by convention? Convention as far as I am aware.
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:22pm
- MickMac
  
  I am very happy Digemen1.
  
  National need their arse kicked (several times and hard). 9yrs……
  National Debt, Super, Social Housing, Immigration, Clean water, RMA rescinded, Maori seats rescinded.
  We put people in power to get things done, not dick about.
  
  Labour need a kick in the knees and sent to the corner for being prats beholden to the union.
  They screwed us over their last term 9yrs and nothing changed in their policies except the faces.
  and they are still owned by the unions and LGBT crowd.
  
  The Thieving Greens need locking up until they come to their senses. Morons.
  Ordinary Kiwi’s aren’t thieves and liars.
  
  Winston is right where we wanted him to be. Making them all sit and moan.
  If they don’t want it to happen again, then change their policies for common sense ordinary NZ not their interest groups.
  
  The Catman and the rest of them can bugger off.
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:08pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Well said MickMac!
    
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    October 2, 2017 3:37pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Like MickMac, I’m loving it Digimen1!
  
  Exactly what I was hoping would happen.
  
  National took my vote and didn’t do as they said they would in 2008, then they started morphing into Labour Lite.
  
  As the weeks drag on and the frustration and confusion increases, so will my enjoyment.
  
  If we’re going to have the unacceptable choice between:
  – vapid Labour
  and
  – vapid Labour Lite
  then I’m going to settle for enjoying the election result as a piece of comedy.
  
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  October 2, 2017 3:35pm
G152

It’s Peters last grasp of the lime light.
Were the Greens to ‘go with National’ that would be the Peters party done and dusted.
The Greens would have some real power to do green stuff and get legislation passed.
But no.
For some reason power isn’t what they want, being able to get their ideas into law appalls them..
So they’re going to be Liebors lefter left of left (and left)
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October 2, 2017 9:06am
- Maxx
  
  The Greens don’t seem to want to govern by actions, they want to govern by ideals. I thought when they voted in favour of the budget earlier this year they were past that and were willing to be pragmatic and compromise.
  
  Nope, back to being idealistic.
  
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  October 2, 2017 11:19am
Tauhei Notts

I watched that odd spot of bother in Catalonia, and the police response; then I thought;
I wonder if Guernica will get bombed again?
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October 2, 2017 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  Hopefully no more shit “art” if they do bomb it again.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:36am
  - GoVege
    
    Not only sh*t “art”, but a sh*t person, yet the world fawns over him…
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:28am
  - sam green
    
    Kowtow likes a good landscape.
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:41am
    - SGA
      
      But none of that impressionist nonsense 🙂
      It should look just like it does when using the ol’ box brownie.
      
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      October 2, 2017 11:47am
    - GoVege
      
      Picasso was a nasty little man who used and abused umpteen young women young enough to be his granddaughters.
      His cold nature shows in his work.
      
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      October 2, 2017 11:58am
      - GoVege
        
        Strange how he was able to live unmolested in Nazi occupied Paris while other artists were arrested, murdered, or committed suicide to avoid such a fate.
        
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        October 2, 2017 12:19pm
- freethinker
  
  The Spanish Govt & Police have set a dangerous precedent by using force to deny a democratic vote thus legitimizing the citizens right to use violence against its Government and police. Such Govt action against its own people however is entirely consistent with their EU masters at the commission whose clear intent is an integrated Europe by use of laws backed up by force. Laws are at best temporary and should be reflective of the majority view of its citizens and were they are not so will be either ignored and therefore unenforceable or overturned by peaceful or violent means, history shows this clearly.
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:47pm
EAD_TWO

The reality of the world that has been created by design – Whitey just can’t win!

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d36d70617793a218a4e82b370cb851f657bbafb5334e18319c62d40c67adffc5.jpg
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October 2, 2017 9:09am
Huevon

Clashes with police in Barcelona as they try to stop an illegal referendum on Catalonia independence.

The Spanish are mad. So are the Catalans. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
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October 2, 2017 9:12am
- sam green
  
  Really? Why are the Spanish and the Catalunyas mad?
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:45am
  - mikenmild
    
    Foreigners.
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:47am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They do begin as Calais after all . . . . or is that wogs as per Peter Sellers?
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      You’ll have to forgive him. He’s from Barcelona.
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:00pm
EAD_TWO

As Germany self immolates, and the “horrors” of an anti-immigration party getting 14% of the vote, at last the MSM can be positive about events in Deutscheland:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/97441702/germany-celebrates-first-samesex-weddings-after-law-change

They are now far, far more pozzed than at Weimar before the German people said enoughs enough. Let’s hope they find someone new to turn back the tide against the Globalists and the destruction of all the ties that bind society together:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/09/what-would-you-do.html?showComment=1506301179113#c2277756294592236374
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October 2, 2017 9:14am
- Gruffydd
  
  The Alternative für Deutschland had most support among old white males in eastern Germany.
  The region with the least Muslim immigration .
  There is far more support for anti trump politicians than for the alt right fringe.
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:34am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    The globohomo Merkel gets most support from the xenomorphs she has flooded Germany with, plus the usual degenerate crowd of sexual perverts/ugly, fat, childless middle age feminists.
    
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    October 2, 2017 9:56am
- mikenmild
  
  before the German people said enoughs enough
  
  You mean, before they found a fuhrer to lead them into a war that destroyed their own country and killed many millions of people?
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:51am
RF

Going by the talk of the town it appears that James Shaw will finished up being the commie chic’s bitch with Peters being Madam Lash.

What a toxic mess however all it not lost.

I understand that the comrades boyfriend is into 3 way coalitions so his experience can be put to good use.
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October 2, 2017 9:41am
- sam green
  
  Great spin!
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:47am
Stars And Stripes

They say death and taxes are the only certainties in life.
Not true I reckon for the following reasons.
1.If you shop at Pak n Save you will definitely smell body odour.
2.The guy you saw coming out of the food bank will definitely be the same guy coming out of Big Barrel with a dozen Cody’s.
3.The disabled parking space will definitely be occupied by a hippo in a wreck of a car.
4.A taniwha will definitely inhabit any site of a major new development.
5.The local vagrant who fouls every doorway in town will definitely be described in the paper as a free spirit who provides colour and vibrancy to the community.
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October 2, 2017 9:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  At Pak n’ Sav I often see (what appear to be) low-income families making low-quality food choices.
  Typical scenario: obese mum with tatoos and a couple of barefoot kids (in winter) with a trolley containing large amounts of raspberry soda, Coca Cola, packaged chips, frozen/processed food, and then stopping to buy a $22.30 packet of cigarettes while making a phone call on a very late-model smartphone.
  
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  October 2, 2017 1:15pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s funny…I rarely see anyone fitting that description at Pak n Save.
    I LOVE Pak n Save coz they sell all my favourite vegequarian food WAY cheaper than anywhere else….
    
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    October 2, 2017 2:09pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      My Pak n’ Sav is in a low-decile part of Auckland.
      
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      October 2, 2017 4:17pm
      - GazzaW
        
        People in low decile areas can’t afford middle class affectations like veganism.
        
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        October 2, 2017 5:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        So is mine Odakyu.
        
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        October 2, 2017 5:51pm
- GoVege
  
  Hope you tipped the vagrant, Stripes.
  I used to be mean to beggars.
  I even told them to “get a job”.
  But since I heard the boss of Fonterra gets 8 million a year I’ve changed my mind.
  If we can afford to pay him 8 mill, we can surely give beggars $2.
  As Obama said: “we gotta share the wealth around”.
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:22pm
  - Colville
    
    I used to tip the beggars until one CUNT chased me and tore my shirt because I only gave him $2 !
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:51pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sorry to hear that Colville.
      That’s very unusual.
      They are usually terribly grateful for anything over $1.
      You did not deserve that.
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:54pm
- Longknives
  
  6. When Stuff ‘Reporters’ find a poor person with a sob story they will inevitably be bullshitting about how much WINZ pays them and conveniently omitting to mention their career criminal status…
  
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  October 2, 2017 4:11pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  body odour of an Indian shelf filler at pns riccarton – fuck me – defcon three . . . as in – that covered three bigarse pns aisles.
  
  Change ya clothes – take a shower and use anti-perspirant shtihead.
  
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  October 3, 2017 1:19am
RF

Stars And Strips.

6. Every time W. Peters appears on TV we are reminded the NZ has its very own Hugh Hefner.
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October 2, 2017 9:53am
- VicParking
  
  But the real Hugh Hefner is more alive than Winston.
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:52pm
- softail 1450
  
  winston appears to be in a similar condition as Hefner as well…….
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:54pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    both have a hard-on at the moment, but for differing reasons . . . .
    
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    October 2, 2017 1:15pm
Inandout

A clear example of ‘walking on eggshells’.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/completely-bamboozled-whaleoil-moderation/

Why would anyone bother?
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October 2, 2017 9:55am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Hilarious.
  
  whaleoil –
  
  ” [Modertors] are trying to make sure the comments are a good read. So, if you have a comment that moderators feel doesn’t add any value, it could be deleted, even if it doesn’t actually violate any of the rules.”
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:01am
  - Brigitte
    
    Why doesn’t he just be honest and say “listen meatheads, it goes like this – Winnie is great, National sucks. I’m getting paid a truckload of money to peddle this so play the game.”
    
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    October 2, 2017 1:33pm
    - Gabby
      
      I wonder if Fatcambo or the Mouth of Fatcambo has ever banned himself accidentally. Sockwise.
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:12pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Ahhh. That explains why a comment I posted a few weeks ago disappeared with 20 minutes of posting it.
    
    When WO claimed in a post that it was impossible to eliminate poverty (defined as 60% or less than the median income) because that would change the median, I demonstrated with a brief worked example that it was mathematically possible to do so.
    
    I uncharitably thought WO didn’t like being shown to be wrong when, it would seem, either my prose or maths had not added value.
    
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    October 2, 2017 3:47pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The blubbering snowflake is a legend in his own fishbowl. He is never wrong, feral or retard and no one can say different.
      
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      October 2, 2017 7:26pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bloody Hell. Slater is the Winston Peters of NZ blogsters.
  Who knew?
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:04am
  - Colville
    
    na , its not fair to equate the two.
    As far as I know Winston doesnt need to put the begging bowl out, he can actually support himself.
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:55pm
- Peter
  
  The community is the blog. Reduce community, then the blog becomes “someone with an opinion”, which isn’t a scarce commodity.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    True Peter but now they have a new label for casual visitors of “lurkers”. Those who visit and don’t comment and judging by the comment counts they are in free fall. Getting down to more old regulars mostly still there by A) being compliant and B) using up their subscription.
    Seems the numbers of banned or blocked commenters might be the biggest stat. The pre election clicks are fading fast so in desperation they are following the Horrids MO with a free months subscription. Who could resist such a great deal?
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:36pm
- VicParking
  
  Called him a dick three years ago, still banned
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:52pm
  - softail 1450
    
    you were right though .
    
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    October 2, 2017 1:00pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    and he is still a dick, an egotistical dick at that; hope he retires to Fiji and gets caught up in a coup
    
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    October 2, 2017 1:23pm
  - Poppa
    
    I got banned as well, no idea why.
    
    I have never questioned it & don’t intend to. That place has really gone down hill & he needs to be careful or he will have no readers left & therefore no income
    
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    October 2, 2017 4:03pm
mara

Cam just has sycophants left and wonders why he is losing money. Sad really as WOBF was once an interesting place to visit.
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October 2, 2017 10:11am
- RF
  
  I just ignore WO now whereas once it was my second port of call after reading KB.
  
  I was sick and tired of false news or promises of a big scoop that never eventuated.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:44am
  - srylands
    
    And the vile ads. No thanks.
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:45am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Kitten videos can be found almost anywhere as well now
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:24pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    What happened to the promised mother of all pre-election scandals that had to wait for last minute for fact checking due to journalistic integrity?
    Must be a little harder to prove that first thought.
    
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    October 2, 2017 7:31pm
Monique Watson

Safer here than in Canada or France. ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) rounded up over 450 overstayers with criminal records in a four day operation that finished Wednesday. 200 here in the Bay Area. Thanks to Trump the sanctuary cities eventually had to comply with the warrants.
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October 2, 2017 10:13am
- Inandout
  
  Baby Trudeau’s brave new Canada is coming apart, and maybe these terrorists will get paid millions in compensation, if they are lucky.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:24am
  - RF
    
    Something to look forward to here if the commie chic becomes PM.
    
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    October 2, 2017 10:45am
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/97445723/listen-air-france-super-mayday-over-engine-blow-out

“Air France ‘super mayday’ over engine blow out”

Stupid media. There is no such thing as a “super mayday”. ‘Super’ is the designation for the A380. So the pilot simply said “Flight 066 super, mayday”.

FFS
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October 2, 2017 10:31am
- Gruffydd
  
  Should have been a pan pan call not a mayday.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-pan
  
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  October 2, 2017 11:03am
  - G152
    
    Losing a donkey in such a situation IS a MayDay.
    PAN is for non urgent stuff.
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:18am
  - srylands
    
    I think you are unreasonably second guessing the pilot. This was not a routine engine failure. It was an uncontained failure. A very spectacular one. The pilots had to assume that such an explosion could have damaged the airplane, perhaps fatally.
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:30am
- G152
  
  That’s one of the good things abut aviation.
  Their (our) own language and not understood by the fake media…
  
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  October 2, 2017 11:16am
  - srylands
    
    Yes you can just see the journalist. “Wow he said it was a SUPER mayday. There’s the headline.”
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:31am
Anne Glen Eden

Isn’t that typical of our over-regulated society. You can join the defence forces at 17 – but you can’t be a truck driver.

“Our graduated licence system, we’ve had it since 1999 … it takes far too long and takes far too much money. It’s not a true reflection of the skill base. Even if you’re a competent driver, you can’t progress. We’re hoping there will be progress once a government’s formed.”

Shirley said young people traditionally had come into the industry straight from school, but “the whole pipeline that feeds into our industry is choked because of this time constraint and delays…You’re 21 before you can get a heavy truck licence whereas in earlier days, 18 years olds were driving trucks.”

Consequently, we’re recruiting overseas, with one company looking for 200 drivers, calling them the ‘Holy Grail’, and stating it will push up transport costs.

Of course, they could pay drivers more to attract them as well – especially with CEOs earning $160k a week. But why does NZ put huge obstacles in the way of non-intellectual youth making a living and contributing to the country, rather than looking for immigrants? You have to say, ‘what is wrong with this country’?

Labour made such a big deal of helping young people to get a driver’s licence. National clearly needs to be sponsoring this further into work experience, ‘apprenticeships’ or internships into truck driving.
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October 2, 2017 10:35am
- rangitoto
  
  Max Verstappen was racing a formula 1 car for Red Bull before his 18 birthday. It is certain that the level of skill involved is far greater than that required to drive a truck.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:58am
- GazzaW
  
  I agree with almost everything you say Anne but the prospect of 18 year olds driving fully laden logging trucks or milk tankers on our highways does not enthuse me.
  
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  October 2, 2017 11:10am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Mmm. And I understand why – but we’re not talking about picking them up off the street and giving them charge of a huge truck.
    
    We’re talking about education and training – and, preferably, paying drivers according to skills and competence. They’re in the defence force, in the Fire Service – more to the point, they vote to choose the government overall.
    
    If we don’t know how to or can’t train a truck driver, we might as well give up. This is western society being too ‘precious’. Are they ‘adults’ or are they not?
    
    Must all 18yr olds either be ‘intellectual’ or in jobs with no skills at all just in case they might be irresponsible? Age is no guarantee of maturity, responsibility, or skills. As ever, it’s up to adults to impart them appropriately – and value them accordingly.
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:34am
    - GazzaW
      
      I disagree Ann – age, if not a guarantee is a strong indicator of maturity and I do not believe that the majority of 18 year olds have the necessary judgment to drive a fully laden logging truck on rural roads. The Army and the Fire Service are different beasts with young recruits under the tutelage of NCOs (or the Fire Service equivalent) not just whilst on the job but 24/7 under strict discipline. An 18 year old soldier with a couple of years Army life under his/her belt is a totally different proposition to his/her civilian counterpart.
      
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      October 2, 2017 11:51am
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Firstly, I’ve driven for a very long time, and professionally for a living, and I know beyond all doubt that age is not necessarily an indicator of maturity or especially skill, inside or outside of the trucking industry.
        
        Secondly, I know at that age I was mature enough to drive a truck – because I was committed to learning driving skills.
        
        Thirdly, they don’t have to drive ‘a fully laden logging truck on rural roads’ – and that certainly does not describe the job of all truck drivers. As I say, there is ‘education and training’ and levels of competence, as there is in any profession.
        
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        October 2, 2017 12:24pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    At least it’s better than it was. Back in the 60s I, as a just 18 year old, was given a heavy truck license on the basis of driving an old 5 ton Ford Thames around the block (all left turns). To save me coming back he added the articulator and heavy trailer as well.
    From that day on until I let it lapse four years ago due to the expensive medical check required I was licensed to drive a full-sized Kenworth road train.
    Probably a good thing that I never took advantage of it.
    
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    October 2, 2017 12:04pm
    - Gabby
      
      We’d have all been DOOOMED. DOOOOMED.
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:24pm
  - MickMac
    
    I had a HGV 3 a lifetime ago, just basic trucks and the like.
    If I wanted to go up to HGV 2 or HGV 1 and drive “artics” and other heavier vehicles I could have, but didn’t as driving 10 tonners was what I did at that time.
    Best thing was get a PSV so you could drive busses, always find some work somewhere.
    
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    October 2, 2017 12:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The problem is not ability it is temperament. Young men despite their reaction times and spatial awareness being better than for any other group are far more susceptible to indulging in impatient and risky behaviour and it is hardwired by evolution. On average they are worse drivers for that reason alone. Of course there are lots of exceptions – but how could you screen for that in testing?
  
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  October 2, 2017 1:30pm
GazzaW

‘WINSTON SNUBS ENGLISH’ screamed this mornings Herald headline strongly intimating that all is not well for coalition negotiations between to two parties.

Two hours later we are informed by ZB that Winston was out of cellphone range over the weekend and he will be contacting Bill as soon as possible as not to do so would be most impolite.

It’s overtime for the Herald to resume operating as an honest and ethical publication.
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October 2, 2017 10:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s overtime for the Herald to resume operating as an honest and ethical publication.
  The same with Radio NZ
  Ferguson’s interview with English this morning was a disgrace
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/340639/peters-puts-english-on-hold
  
  Kathryn Ryan on RNZ now (11:06) trying to put some spin on their earlier misdirection.
  
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  October 2, 2017 11:08am
  - GazzaW
    
    Espinor and Ferguson are beyond redemption for the morning drive time slot. Combine with Campbell in the evenings and I’m convinced that we have isolated one of the main causes of road rage.
    
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    October 2, 2017 11:14am
    - GoVege
      
      That Larry Williams used to make my blood boil…I had to switch off ZB at rush hour for safety reasons!
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:30pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Larry is the best.
        
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        October 2, 2017 2:21pm
      - GazzaW
        
        A good feed of bacon, eggs and black pudding might increase your morning drivetime tolerance levels.
        
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        October 2, 2017 5:33pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      No I would add Hosking to that as well. On too many occasions I would suffer his 7.30am opinion and want to punch the radio. Much safer to find another station. Oh for the 1980s and the late Kevin Black & the brekkets on Hauraki. That was radio!
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:34pm
      - Brigitte
        
        Is he the same as Kevin Blackitini? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEbbirw34M
        
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        October 2, 2017 1:47pm
    - Poppa
      
      I have tried to listen in the morning but it is so unprofessional in the way they constantly interrupt.
      
      No wonder Espinor is no longer on TV, he is a disgrace
      
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      October 2, 2017 3:50pm
- MickMac
  
  yeah right herald honest….
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:20pm
- freethinker
  
  When a cellphone are out of range the call usually automatically diverts to message centre.
  
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  October 2, 2017 1:00pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  WP say he’d make no comment until specials are counted. Are specials counted? Has that stopped fools like the Horrid having WPs number on repeat dial. If the phone is ringing nineteen times a minute with inane questions from the brain dead press, it’s probably turned off and put in the drawer.
  It is very possible that the make-shit-up industry is actually hampering the formation of this country’s next government.
  Treason!
  Off with their heads!
  (They have heads, right? They don’t bloody use them)
  
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  October 2, 2017 7:41pm
Manolo

Party politics over public service all the way:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/figures-anti-trump-san-juan-mayor-top-hillary-clinton-supporter-2016/
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October 2, 2017 11:51am
Andrei

If this was Russia rather than happening in the EU it would be sold as Government oppression
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October 2, 2017 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Quite right . And if it was the US the media would be in hyperdrive over the ‘oppression’ and police violence. Pity Catalans aren’t black , they’d get a lot more support from the MSM.
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:22pm
GoVege

Nice article about a VEGAN BODYBUILDER in the Herald today.
This Samoan fella is also inspiring Pacifica people to keep healthy and avoid an early grave.
Just proves you don’t need to eat meat to build muscle…
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October 2, 2017 12:11pm
- realityczech
  
  If it is so healthy why do they need B-12 injections to stop serious and permanent nervous system and brain damage ?
  
  B-12 is only biologically available to humans from animal sources. Proving we evolved eating meat. The human brain could not have developed without meat eating.
  
  Your rejection of nature and evidence is noted.
  
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  Modern dietary propaganda consistently gets it wrong – very very wrong, when it comes to the critical nutrient Vitamin B12. The false notions pertaining to proper food sources of B12 has resulted in epidemic numbers of people being deficient in this all important nutrient and suffering the sometimes devastating health consequences.
  
  Deficiency of B12 is extremely dangerous to health and can lead to dementia and even death if not rectified. While early symptoms include paleness and overall weakness and fatigue, as the anemia caused by B12 deficiency progresses, symptoms can mimic the signs of aging and so can easily be dismissed as a somehow natural or “normal” occurrence: shaky hands or spastic movement in general, sleeping disorders, unsteady gait, easy bruising, incontinence, and memory loss.
  
  B12 Rich Foods ALL of Animal Origin
  The very foods highest in B12 – particularly organ meats and eggs, are the very same ones erroneously labeled as unhealthy by conventional nutritional circles. Ironically, these very same foods were revered and regarded as sacred by Traditional Societies as they imparted vibrant health, vitality, fertility and healthy babies and children to those that consumed them:
  
  https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/vitamin-b12-critical-nutrient-found-only-in-animal-foods/
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:20pm
  - GoVege
    
    Well IF it’s true that vegans need vitamin B12 injections (or tablets)…so what?
    Better to have a jab or take a pill than torture other animals.
    
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    October 2, 2017 12:28pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True realityvczech but it seems the alternative B12 source is rat poo.
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      No problem.
      I recall an article about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep certain ingredients out of the silos we store grains in….such as rat fur.
      See…we ARE all getting our quota of B12! 🙂
      
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      October 2, 2017 8:41pm
- GoVege
  
  As Lee Ah Yen Faatoia says: “That’s the whole point of veganism, it’s important to be kind and nice to everyone.”
  
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  October 2, 2017 12:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    Veganism is a fundamental rejection of nature. Things killing and eating each other are essential to life on earth.
    
    Vegans pretend to be some sort of higher being that is more enlightened and ethical. This is self serving arrogant nonsense. They are invariably cold manipulative uncaring people who have an underlying hatred of people and the natural order.
    
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    October 2, 2017 12:30pm
    - VicParking
      
      Its just a mental illness, same as transgenders, gays and vegetarians.
      
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      October 2, 2017 12:57pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Is it a mental illness or is it a fad?
        
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        October 2, 2017 1:23pm
    - GoVege
      
      Bullsh*t!
      Vegans are lovely kind caring people.
      Wish I was one… 🙂
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:02pm
    - GoVege
      
      Bet you wouldn’t like to be killed and eaten RC.
      But why don’t you spend the night with a grizzly bear family just to convince us? 🙂
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:05pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Many vegans suffer from a deficiency in Vitamin H (the nutrient responsible for a sense of humor).
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:21pm
      - Andrei
        
        Hitler was a teetotaler and a vegetarian – it figures
        
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        October 2, 2017 1:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        Many meat-eaters seem to think that killing and torturing other animals is just downright hilarious!
        
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        October 2, 2017 1:51pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        It comes from having carnivorous tendency’s Go Veg
        You know like a cat plays with its prey
        
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        October 2, 2017 2:08pm
      - GoVege
        
        That figures, Gruff.
        But we can fight our savage predatory instincts…
        And pussy cats can be made to wear a few bells…
        
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        October 2, 2017 2:17pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Hitler couldn’t stop farting. How are you placed in the wind section GoVege?
        
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        October 2, 2017 5:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well I used to play the recorder quite well Gazza. …
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      RC: your theory about the nature of vegans is just a case of transference, common among meat-eaters.
      You secretly feel guilty about eating animals, and that makes you angry and resentful about how you are being “made” to feel, so you transfer your rage onto vegans to make out THEY are the meanies in the equation.
      
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      October 2, 2017 2:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        I don’t regard Vegans as humans and nor do they. Humans are meat eaters.
        
        It should be legal to hunt Vegans for sport.
        
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        October 2, 2017 5:41pm
      - GoVege
        
        No RC, you’ve just confirmed how close meat-eating is to cannibalism! 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        I will eat you smart arse.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If humans/mammals were designed to be vegans, then they would be plants… nourished only by plant and microbial foods.
  
  We are designed to be nourished by blood and animal products, initially via the placenta, then via milk from mammary glands.
  Our growing bodies need some animal lipids, proteins, and essential elements for healthy growth and maintenance.
  
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  October 2, 2017 3:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    So are other vegetarian mammals Maggie!
    BTW…do you realise how dangerous many large mammals would be if they were carnivores?
    Imagine carnivorous rhinos, hippos, giraffes, elephants….
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Rubbish… he only became a vegan a few years ago.
  
  His muscle mass has been created in the years when he ate decent animal protein.
  
  You need to be very careful about expressing such incorrect statements.
  Vegan babies, infants and children are seriously compromised with respect to muscle mass.
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2528709/
  
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  October 2, 2017 6:04pm
  - GoVege
    
    Maggie: how do you explain big, powerful, muscle-bound, closely related mammals like gorillas being vegetarian/ vegan?
    
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    October 2, 2017 6:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Where do you get your information?
      Gorillas are not obligate herbivores… they eat insects, worms, slugs etc and will eat mammalian meat if available.
      https://sciencing.com/silverback-gorillas-diet-6548298.html
      
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      October 2, 2017 7:34pm
      - realityczech
        
        Why You’re Not a Cow or a Gorilla — (And You Don’t Eat Like One Either)
        
        http://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/03/youre-not-cow-gorilla-dont-eat-like-one-either/#gs.cUPdj88
        
        Dam that pesky science and their smart arse evidence. It ruins everything 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        Correcting the vegetarian ~~lies~~
        myths about ape diets
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @realityczech
        
        perhaps those vegans/ vegetarians have enormous colons… choka full of microbugs chewing up that foliage…and absorbing the short-chain fatty acids that we poop out.
        
        I reckon they must be a new species of “human”.
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        Maggy you are assuming vegetarians are human but have done so without any evidence.
        
        Vegetarians seek to distance themselves from humanity and I am happy to take their word for it.
        
        They should be hunted for sport.
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Show me a gorilla that has ever hunted another mammal…except perhaps one dying of starvation.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @goVege
        Show me a gorilla that has…
        
        we are not talking about hunting!
        I am trying to explain to you how it is that the gut of a Gorilla differs so significantly from that of a human, that it can survive and absorb energy from a dense leafy diet.
        Something we humans cannot manage…
        show me a Gorilla with the colon of a human
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:22pm
    - realityczech
      
      Eating Meat Made Us Human, Suggests New Skull Fossil
      
      https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
      
      SORRY, VEGANS: EATING MEAT IS HOW THE EARLY HUMAN BRAIN DEVELOPED
      
      http://www.the-open-mind.com/sorry-vegans-eating-meat-is-how-the-early-human-brain-developed/
      
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      October 2, 2017 7:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        And what good has that done for this planet?
        Only humans hunt each other for sport, as our Rally Check has shamelessly proven!
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        You are not human you are prey.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:02pm
      - GoVege
        
        You sound a mite tetchy today RC.
        Haven’t been…dated in a while?
        A word of advice..many chicks these days are veges and vegans.
        Take her to Burger fuel. ..a range of beautiful vegan/veggie burgers.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        Im dating a vegan smart arse. LOL 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:40pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Im dating a vegan”….
        
        You poor bastard. You might as well have called into the sex shop & bought something inflatable.
        
        Couldn’t you have looked around & found something with the strength to move or at least twitch a bit? 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Its physically fragile and mentally unsound. Its like something is missing. Plus its a SJW !
        
        I have suffered for my sins 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        Pam Anderson is a vegetarian, boys.
        
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        October 2, 2017 10:09pm
      - sam green
        
        Realityczech is not dating anyone – she’s a bit on the plain side.
        
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        October 3, 2017 4:45am
GoVege

For the 20th time, Andrei, Hitler ONLY became a vegetarian BRIEFLY for the health benefits to help achieve his evil plan of world domination.
He did NOT do it for humanitarian reasons.
In fact, his death camps are the human version of abbatoirs.
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- Andrei
  
  I was replying to Odakyu-sen’s observation that vegetarians are devoid of a sense of humour.
  
  Something you have just reinforced with your own response
  
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  October 2, 2017 1:53pm
  - GoVege
    
    Yes Andrei…we veges do tend to get a bit serious when we think about sweet mammalian cousins being led to slaughter. ..
    
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    October 2, 2017 2:15pm
  - GoVege
    
    Andrei: here’s a good vege joke.
    Definition of a hamburger: a murder victim on a bun.
    
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    October 2, 2017 2:50pm
    - Andrei
      
      Vegetarian humour eh
      
      I’m sure that joke has us all rolling on the floor – not
      
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      October 2, 2017 3:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      You must really hate Dolphins GoVege. 100% predatory carnivores, while must love Wood Lice for their compassion.
      
      Tell us what other animals you hate for eating meat, besides humans and Dolphins… ?
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        Stop projecting your own anger onto me RC.
        I don’t blame other animals for being carnivorous.
        But I thought humans were supposed to be superior to other animals.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        Why do you think it is “superior” ?
        
        Very telling. The reality is you want to feel superior and above everyone else. But you are not. You are sick and twisted, filled with hatred and anger towards the natural world, oh and men too.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        Stop twisting my words RallyCheck.
        You’re the one claiming that only the species homo sapiens is so worthy, it shouldn’t be killed and roasted to perfection for your fussy gourmet tastes.
        Like every other animal on the planet.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        Where did I say that ?
        
        I think humans are just another animal. It is you who thinks they are special.
        
        I am a life long animal lover and environmentalist.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:05pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”I think humans are just another animal”….
        
        Right on! We’re nothing other than the most successful species of animal on the planet. Without opposable thumbs & a meat diet with sufficient protein to develop our intelligence we’d be nothing.
        
        Few other than the dismally retarded Godwhacks with their bullshit about the supernatural & souls think otherwise.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes and 2/3 of the god whacks don’t even eat roast pig. How messed up is that ! 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:42pm
      - GoVege
        
        Dolphins eat fish, you daft twit!
        So do I.
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:59pm
- Longknives
  
  “Hitler ONLY became a vegetarian BRIEFLY for the health benefits to help achieve his evil plan of world domination.
  He did NOT do it for humanitarian reasons..”
  
  Bollocks.
  Someone needs to read more History..
  
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  October 2, 2017 3:09pm
  - GoVege
    
    Educate us then, LK.
    
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    October 2, 2017 6:14pm
    - nasska
      
      I have good news……my food shits all over your food. 🙂
      
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      October 2, 2017 6:48pm
      - GoVege
        
        True nasska…and contributes to global warming and is a waste of productive land on a planet where thousands die of starvation every day.
        
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        October 2, 2017 8:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Hitler was a sensitive artist who loved animals and was vegetarian.
      
      Fairly typical of the type. Those sort are always very disappointed with their fellow man. Just like you GoVege…
      
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      October 2, 2017 7:50pm
  - GoVege
    
    Hitler is NOT a good example, Longknives.
    He was a raving psycho and a mass of contradictions.
    You meat-eaters only bring that nutter up to cop out of a reasoning debate.
    He is about as relevant to this discussion as that psychotic vegan who assassinated Pim Fortuyn for trying to stop his country being over-run by Islamists.
    
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    October 2, 2017 9:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      “psychotic vegan who assassinated Pim Fortuyn ”
      
      Normal Vegan behaviour.
      
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      October 2, 2017 10:22pm
    - big bruv
      
      Hitler was also religious, Catholic to be precise.
      
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      October 3, 2017 6:37am
Brigitte

This discussion somehow reminded me of an ad I saw – “flatmate wanted: part-time vegetarian”. I’m fairly sure I know what they mean but it certainly made me laugh.
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October 2, 2017 2:00pm
- GoVege
  
  Half a vegetarian is better than none!
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:11pm
  - realityczech
    
    They should be tossed on the compost heap with the other veges.
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:45pm
- cmm
  
  Hunter who misses a lot?
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:47pm
  - Brigitte
    
    I’m thinking (poor) students was more likely.
    
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    October 2, 2017 3:02pm
Happychappy

A quote from blubber oil today about Bill English and Winston First.
“This is hilarious Bill got a lesson on how unimportant he really is.
I’ll bet I could get Winston to answer the phone perhaps if Bill wasn’t such a vindictive arsehole I might have been able to assist him.”
And he wonders why people go after him, the guy is a nutter.
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October 2, 2017 2:35pm
- rangitoto
  
  Looks like oil got taken in by fake news in the MSM.
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:39pm
- Brigitte
  
  That sort of comment from the (((blogger))) makes you really want a Nat-Greens coalition.
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:47pm
- Poppa
  
  Oily seems to become very unhinged about Bill English & his newly found friend Winnie can do no wrong
  
  He certainly has gone down in my eyes in recent times. I did enjoy his blog & parted with a fair bit of cash for his benefit when he was in strife. He won’t be getting any more though
  
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  October 2, 2017 3:08pm
- MrTips
  
  Yeah well that post worked out well didn’t it?
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:03pm
Manolo

A quitting RINO?
https://www.axios.com/kasich-if-gop-cant-be-fixed-i-cant-support-it-2491654687.html
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October 2, 2017 2:57pm
Manolo

An article on a con-man of the highest order and hero of the AGW brigade:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/the-inconvenient-truth-about-al-gore/

Gore has no standing to teach science. His academic research was on ‘Presidents and the media’ and yes he has proven profound skill in both these utterly non-scientific fields.

Over the past four decades Gore has journeyed from hard left, hard right, centre and back to the hard left. Al Gore is a Pied Piper who the New York Times has estimated is on track to make a billion dollars from global warming.
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October 2, 2017 3:00pm
- Longknives
  
  Lets not forget Al and Tipper tried to ban Rock Music in the 80s ..
  
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  October 2, 2017 4:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Control the media and massage the message.
  https://www.crunchbase.com/person/al-gore#/entity
  Gore and Google…a match to rival Goebbels
  
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  October 2, 2017 5:57pm
Manolo

Dark clouds and predictions:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/29/david-stockman-tax-reform-plan-is-pipe-dream-stocks-to-plunge-40-70-percent.html
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October 2, 2017 3:04pm
Nostradamus

‘I’m fed up with being offered a ****job when walking my dog’

The NZ Herald article describes residents’ six-year battle to move sex workers from outside their Christchurch homes.

The problem:

In their gardens and around their properties, residents have found needles and syringes, human faeces, used condoms, and litter. Vandalism to houses and cars have been reported, as well as thefts. One elderly couple found a prostitute “servicing a client” on their lawn at 3am and when they asked them to leave, had their car vandalised. Attempts to ask the prostitutes to move on are often met with threats and intimidation, locals say.

One resident launched a petition to get the council to ban prostitutes soliciting in residential areas through the introduction of a bylaw. The police initially supported the proposed bylaw but then changed their mind.

Last week’s move [the council and police announced that they no longer support the proposed bylaw] was supported by Prostitute’s Collective coordinator Catherine Healy who said it was a “forward-thinking decision”. Healey said it was better to manage sex workers with street lighting and cameras, rather than new rules.

Seriously?
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October 2, 2017 4:21pm
- GoVege
  
  They need to increase the sickness benny substantially and provide sheltered housing with controlled drug-taking rooms for all these poor damaged people who reckon prostitution is an acceptable career choice.
  Same for gang prospects.
  Would save a ton of crime.
  
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  October 2, 2017 6:11pm
- Digmen1
  
  I thought $20 for a bj was quite reasonable.
  
  But seriously the Herald really has stooped to new lows by printing such sordid details.
  
  They could have just said he was annoyed by being accosted by prostititues.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Those girls need to keep their iron levels up. They should cut the sickness benefit and use the savings to buy steaks for the little whores.
    
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    October 2, 2017 8:57pm
Hugh Pavletich

How did the migrant vote influence the New Zealand election ? … Interest Co NZ & MacroBusiness Australia

Jenée Tibshraeny considers the extent to which the migrant vote has propped up National, particularly in Auckland’s traditional Labour strongholds | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/90100/jen%C3%A9e-tibshraeny-considers-extent-which-migrant-vote-has-propped-national-particularly

Did the migrant vote decide the NZ election? – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/migrant-vote-decide-nz-election/

I suspect Labours tax bungles mid August have been a much more significant factor … something Matt McCarten noted on TV 1 on election night as well.

It would be fair to say though the Chinese / Asians appeared to be very well represented at the Auckland National Party function on election night.
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  National MP Jian Yang reviewing citizenship declarations after investigation into his past, says Bill English – NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922788
  
  National MP Jian Yang is reviewing his New Zealand citizenship application to check that his declarations about his background in the Chinese military were correct.
  
  National leader Bill English revealed today that Yang was double-checking his application from 13 years ago because concerns had been raised about its “correctness”.
  
  It was revealed by Newsroom on Wednesday that Yang taught English to Chinese intelligence agency cadets so they could monitor private communications.
  
  Yang did not declare the names of the military institutions to New Zealand authorities when he applied for New Zealand citizenship in 2004. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
  
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  October 2, 2017 5:33pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … How could PM English and Deputy PM Bennett have been so dumb ?
    
    … Perception is reality in politics …
    
    National Party auctions off ice axe signed by Sir Edmund Hillary to raise funds for campaign … Nicole Lawton … Fairfax New Zealand
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96019247/national-party-auctions-off-ice-axe-signed-by-sir-edmund-hillary-to-raise-funds-for-campaign
    
    … extracts …
    
    … But perhaps the greater attraction was the opportunity to meet the Prime Minister and his deputy, Paula Bennett, to pose for photos with them, to schmooze.
    
    The Prime Minister put himself up for auction: one lucky (and wealthy) donor and 10 close friends won the a dinner date with the English, “at your favourite restaurant” after the election. (Cost of the dinner not included).
    
    A Chinese community leader said such appearances would hold enormous prestige within the culture.
    
    “The implied Chinese business culture is around guanxi, which means relationship. Whoever won that dinner would be highly regarded because they hold a special bond with New Zealand Prime Minister.”
    
    They said if the dinner went well, the successful bidder might enjoy increased business opportunities in the future because of it. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Crony Chronicles: I Want To Be A Crony – YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aO9tA5DWJM
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:39pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Hugh:
      
      … Perception is reality in politics …
      
      It certainly is!
      
      1. Andrew Little dines with drug company executives months before adopting Keytruda stance
      2. Artworks used to funnel secret donors’ contributions to the Labour Party
      3. Labour MPs accused of hypocrisy over SkyCity
      
      (… read more via hyperlinks above …)
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:54pm
      - nasska
        
        You notice Hugh is commenting later in the day Nostra.
        
        My guess is he reckons there’s not enough readers about to get his rubbish downticked into oblivion. 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:52pm
      - stigie
        
        I wonder how many people read his shit. I would have thought he’d be better posting the shit over at the Stranded,…..but then again, would they let him..?
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:20pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        My guess is he reckons there’s not enough readers about to get his rubbish downticked into oblivion.
        
        Just quietly, Nasska, DPF has left Paulus Gnone in charge:
        
        Mine is working the opposite, I can tick more than once! Can’t wait for ztev to get back and Hugh to paste something from yesterday, last week or last month, anytime but assuredly nothing new
        
        I assume Paulus Gnome hasn’t seen this thread yet!
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:24pm
      - nasska
        
        Good find Nostra.
        
        Mind you, consider the fate of the last commenter found guilty of blatant, multiple self upticking on Whale’s forum.
        
        Vanished without trace. The abject shame was too much to bear! 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2017 9:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        How special votes could change the election … Newsroom
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/10/01/50773/how-special-votes-could-change-the-election
        
        On the provisional result, the 2017 election is New Zealand’s closest MMP election yet in terms of the gap between the Left and Right blocs. With a record 384,072 special votes (around 15 percent of the total) still to be counted, the final result will be even closer. While the special votes will not change the fact that either bloc relies on NZ First to form a government, they could have an important impact on negotiations – primarily for the prospects of a Labour-Green-NZ First coalition. They are also important to the public discourse around coalition options. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        October 3, 2017 1:35am
  - GazzaW
    
    Hugh, I and four million other Kiwis couldn’t give a flying fuck about Lian Jiang’s alleged political past. It’s just you and your fellow xenophobic nutters that have very conveniently dug this crap out for a bit of post-election mud flinging to help along coalition negotiations. Aided and abetted by the gutter MSM of course. Do us a favour and crawl back under your racist rock.
    
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    October 2, 2017 5:51pm
    - Gabby
      
      Oddly you seem more worried about ‘Comrades Comrades’ guzzla. Comrade Jian’s got the bg battalions.
      
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      October 2, 2017 5:56pm
      - GazzaW
        
        I havent a clue what you are waffling on about Gobby. It would help if you learned to communicate in plain English.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        THE EXIT SPECIALIST … JOHN KEY …
        
        John Key sells home to offshore (Chinese) buyer | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/09/john-key-sells-home-to-offshore-buyer.html
        
        Key’s $20m mansion sale great timing for him, not so much for English | The National Business Review
        
        https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/keys-20m-mansion-sale-great-timing-him-poor-timing-english
        
        … from May last year …
        
        John Key says no Auckland housing crisis, but 76 per cent of voters want more action | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80320513/John-Key-says-no-Auckland-housing-crisis-but-76-per-cent-of-voters-want-more-action
        
        … further information via GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:22pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Sick of it Hugh, just bullshit day in and day out.
        
        You’re not here to debate, you just want to increase Brand Pavlikesdosh.
        
        Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:51pm
      - softail 1450
        
        isn’t it a little early to be on the liquor grubby ? don’t you understand that nobody knows what the frick you are on about most of the time ?
        
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        October 3, 2017 6:44am
    - Shawn Herles
      
      Hugh,
      
      I have seen mold on old walls that was less boring than your posts.
      
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      October 2, 2017 6:24pm
      - Happychappy
        
        What’s your view of how it’s going to end Shawn and do you think the game Winston is playing will end up with him losing support from his core voter.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:34pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Shawn … Were you surprised Bill English didnt give at least past of his speech election night in Mandarin … in recognition of their support ?
        
        … and too … how much less would John Key have got for his house if it had been a local buyer ?
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:40pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Happychappy,
        
        I think a Nat/NZF coalition is the most likely outcome, but I’m not sure I would be prepared to bet hard cash on it.
        
        As to him losing support, Winston’s core voters are usually pretty loyal.
        
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        October 2, 2017 6:53pm
      - stigie
        
        What fucking business is it of yours Hugh to what John Key does in and around the sale of his house and to whom !~
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:02pm
      - nasska
        
        Especially since he hasn’t been Prime Minister for nearly a year.
        
        Grow up…..JK’s a civilian now.
        
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        October 2, 2017 7:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      I don’t give a flying fuck about your illiteracy and inability to focus for 10 seconds guzzla.
      
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      October 2, 2017 7:09pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Tsk, tsk Gobby. Temper……..
        
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        October 2, 2017 10:06pm
- Happychappy
  
  Your a bitter twisted moron Hugh
  
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  October 2, 2017 6:37pm
Happychappy

Hugh and most of those Chinese would have more integrity than what Matt McCarten has. As usual you back another loser.
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October 2, 2017 5:41pm
flipper

When people start pimping for Sir Winston and Lady (Jan) Peters under the guise of UTU for perceived deeds against a deceased relative who was really voted out of office by the N P regions south of Auckland outside Auckland.

From time to time W O H B does a brilliant job. And WOHB (like KB) has been treated unfairly by the Hager loving media. One can understand some on going antipathy toward Boag (forget her maiden and first marriage names), but to now extend this to W English is silly. The nadir of comment on the current political divide was reached this morning, It illustrates the danger of seeking, albeit by the strangest of strategies, to promote and polish the star of an MP who, outside Auckland, will never garner more than minor support as a potential NP leader

The world has moved on since Boag played her games and won. The country needs English and Joyce to see it through the gathering storm clouds.

This is hilarious. Bill English just got a lesson in how unimportant he really is. I’ll bet I can get Winston to answer the phone. Perhaps if Bill wasn’t such a vindictive arsehole I might be able to assist him…oh…yeah, nah.

To some politics is a game and they enjoy it as a sport. Most New Zealanders have a different view and believe perceived slights should now be put aside. Time to move on.
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October 2, 2017 5:59pm
- GazzaW
  
  I was informed by a party member that Bill English crossed Slater’s father when he was President of the Nats and that the feud is a family one. How reliable that is I don’t know.
  
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  October 2, 2017 6:09pm
- nasska
  
  flipper
  
  Michelle Boag succeeded John Slater as national Party president in 2001. Disappointing maybe but we’re talking politics…..not tiddlywinks.
  
  Is this all that’s behind Cam’s campaign against the present day party?
  
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  October 2, 2017 7:25pm
flipper

GazzaW…..

The main contest was between Slater senior and Boag. The issue was cleaning out perceived “past use by” date MPs and senior NP officials. It was a real scrap, perhaps more so than Chapman v Holt. But the time has come to let it go, to move on.
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October 2, 2017 7:33pm
RF

Fuck me. It’s all Go in Las Vegas.

Active shooters with multiple injuries and I understand some fatal. So far 2 dead. 24 injured……

CNN & Fox are full of it.
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October 2, 2017 7:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  OJ Simpson released today – reported to be heading to Las Vegas…
  
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  October 2, 2017 7:56pm
- realityczech
  
  What how quickly the story dies if the shooters are from BLM…
  
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  October 2, 2017 7:59pm
- SPC
  
  I doubt there were any blacks or Moslems at a country music concert.
  
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  October 2, 2017 8:31pm
- tom hunter
  
  CRAAAAAPPPPPPP.
  
  Daughter’s heading there tomorrow!!!!!!
  
  Between tornadoes in Missouri and hurricanes in Florida my girl’s certainly getting her moneys worth out of the USA!!!!
  
  Fuck!
  
  Oh – and from there she’s heading to Paris – via Chicago.
  
  It just doesn’t get better than this!!!!
  
  Fuck!
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:01pm
realityczech

A timely reminder of what America avoided !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMhpReL_F4
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October 2, 2017 7:56pm
SPC

Something to note about some of the Syrian refugees.

If you are a child of a Muslim Christian marriage, it is not officially recognised by the Syrian authorities. And in Syria, you’re not given citizenship if your parents’ marriage is not officially recognised.
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October 2, 2017 8:29pm
Fletch

Check this out: Winston – One ring to rule them all 😆

https://www.facebook.com/donnamaria.lawson/posts/1950967191839704
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October 2, 2017 8:41pm
nasska

Instead of doves, the symbol of peace should be pigs.

Just look at those areas with no pigs.
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October 2, 2017 9:30pm
- realityczech
  
  Good call !
  
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  October 2, 2017 9:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, it’s at least 20 dead and over 100 wounded in Las Vegas.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-live/index.html
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October 2, 2017 9:55pm
- realityczech
  
  Watch the media blame Trump. You can hang your hat on it.
  
  However that will backfire and vindicate Trump’s very sensible and moderate immigration policies.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:15pm
tom hunter

Shit!
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October 2, 2017 10:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Commiserations!
  
  I remember being beside myself with worry when youngest was in London on 7 July 2005 on a school trip and hours went by before any of us got word that our kids were safe.
  
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  October 2, 2017 10:24pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Well, she’s not there yet – and at this rate she may not get there on her flight. Depends how much they lock the city down.
    
    And unlike twenty-thirty years ago there’s constant comms. Think I’m going to be online for a few hours now. She’ll be awake in an hour or two and will know as soon as she opens her laptop since I’ve sent links.
    
    I’m watching phone video and that is definitely a fully-automatic weapon, and a heavy one. Not an Uzi and Not a semi-auto.
    
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