General Debate 29 October 2017

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stigie

I would like to know he much Taxcinda and the Wn Fairy are going to steal from me today so i can budget for tomorrow..?
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October 29, 2017 8:02am
- peterwn
  
  Look for the opportunities. Unfortunately it is the stinking rich who are best placed to benefit from such changes. Bob Jones sees letting opportunities for the extra bureaucrats and George Soros sees opportunities betting on the value of the NZD.
  Big time money lenders will probably have the last say. Grant Robertson says he will borrow up big so the government can fulfill its election promises and to pay for Winnie’s wish list. Trouble is these lenders want to be sure they get their money back in due course so they will demand increasing interest rates and finally say ‘no’.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:16am
  - brett68
    
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    Grant Robertson says he will borrow up big
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:26am
    - VicParking
      
      “Mr Robertson said he would rather borrow than cut spending,”
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/10/finance-minister-grant-robertson-won-t-cut-core-spending-if-economy-tanks.html
      
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      October 29, 2017 8:30am
      - treadingthemill
        
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        He said he would borrow. He does not say “borrow up big.”
        
        And he says that will only happen if or when there is a global downturn that affects the country, in reference to Winston’s concerns about recent warnings concerning the global economy. National also borrowed when New Zealand was hit by the GFC, so that’s not a change in policy.
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:52am
      - itstricky
        
        Checked out the Government debt levels graphs recently?
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:54am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Where’s Labours plan to reduce debt? We are in surplus after all- at the moment.
        I mean Labour are going to try to maintain surpluses so we can get rid of this debt their supporters are always complaining about?
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:05am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Where’s Labours plan to reduce debt?
        
        It is mentioned here: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/labour-greens-promise-surpluses-reduced-debt.html
        
        keep Crown spending to about 30 percent of GDP: reduce net debt to 20 percent of GDP in five years
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:53am
      - srylands
        
        “keep Crown spending to about 30 percent of GDP: reduce net debt to 20 percent of GDP in five years”
        
        It will be very interesting to see the first Budget in 2018. I just don’t see how they can finance all the commitments in the coalition agreement, and their own policies, and not increase taxes or borrowing. And then there is the inevitable unbudgeted spending. Are they really going to give teachers zero pay rises? And nurses?
        
        A 10 percent increase in teacher salaries over the four year forecast period will cost $1.1 billion.
        
        So I am really pleased to see those fiscal benchmarks but I am struggling to understand how they can be met. It would involve a lot of luck, and literally saying ‘no’ to every single cost pressure and demand for new spending, outside core promises.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:27am
      - All_on_Red
        
        TreadingtheMill says ‘He said he would borrow.’
        
        Uhuh, so how does him saying he’ll borrow reconcile with reducing debt. Debt which is too high according to Lefties.
        Looks like what he said in March was just bullshit.
        The Budget will be interesting.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:19am
      - treadingthemill
        
        so how does him saying he’ll borrow reconcile with reducing debt.
        
        He said he would borrow in a crisis, so as not to cut core spending if it came to that choice. There is no plan to borrow more otherwise, so reducing debt is still the plan. This is entirely in keeping with National’s practice. So it is not a change in policy from the previous government. If you voted for National, you were voting for the same policy Robertson is talking about.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:26am
      - Viking2
        
        He said he would borrow in a crisis
        
        Not today. This morning he said the Governement was going to be bigger and that could mean borrowing.
        
        Oh dear.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:49am
      - srylands
        
        “There is no plan to borrow more otherwise”
        
        So how does that work? The teachers have said they want a 14 percent pay rise. There will be another 200 pressures. Every single one will need to be resisted.
        
        I’m not trying to be a smart arse here. I’m just asking you to explain how those parameters are plausible.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:50am
      - treadingthemill
        
        The teachers have said they want a 14 percent pay rise.
        
        That does not mean they are going to get a 14 percent pay rise.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:56am
      - GazzaW
        
        If the teachers don’t get a pay rise then there’s a high risk that the trans-Tasman exodus will recommence. New graduate teachers start on $66k pa ($21k higher than here) and housing costs outside Sydney and Melbourne are way cheaper than Auckland. My niece’s school has already lost two teachers to Australia and it’s proving nigh on impossible to replace them.
        
        Ditto this comment for nurses, paramedics, police and Fire Service.
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:41pm
      - srylands
        
        “That does not mean they are going to get a 14 percent pay rise.”
        
        I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not being deliberately obtuse..
        
        That was just an example. Nobody can get anything for anything if your thesis is to hold.
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Not today. This morning he(Robertson) said the Governement was going to be bigger and that could mean borrowing.’
        
        And there you go. Spend all the income and increase borrowing.No debt reduction going to happen at all.
        Can’t wait to see itsthicky start criticising the Govt about it.
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:11pm
      - Piniwi
        
        True VP. He omitted to say they NEED to borrow from day one. However the funny part is argument to justify borrowing when the economy tanks. “It is what Nation did to get out of the GFC situation.” Then again lying by omission to forget it was initially required to clean up the mess left by Cullen. He gives us more chuckles when he claims “data and figures don’t matter” but it more important for people to “get a bigger share of prosperity”. He’s an absolute moron being illustrated on a daily basis by the Media party who report ever utterance diligently.
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:46pm
  - flipper
    
    And that, peterwn, will push up home loan rates.
    But no.
    “Our (The Peters/Ardern regime) building programme and ban on furriners will fix that…….”, said Grantie and Alfie.
    And Robertson has grown wings and is trying to fly past my windows!
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:29am
    - peterwn
      
      There is a two edged one with home loans. If the borrower can tighten his belt when interest rates go up, the owner will ultimately benefit. An immediate step would be to move to ‘fixed interest’ and lock it in for as long as the bank will allow.
      If the home owner still considers he cannot manage then selling up needs to be an option, but not when there is a temporary slump.
      Someone I knew who was tribal Labour borrowed up big for a house in the early 1980’s believing a Labour government would if anything help borrowers. Conventional wisdom was to assess the biggest mortgage you could get and purchase a home making full use of it to benefit to the max from the future capital gain (retirement fund). However he copped Rogernomics in the face and had to downsize.
      So home owners with high mortgages need to carefully review their situation and adjust accordingly. Fairy Godmother Cindy may have so many problems on her hands she may not be able to come to the rescue if things turn to custard. This is an ‘opportunity’ in reverse to do something about one’s financial situation.
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Look for the opportunities.
    
    Comms support in the ACC
    Mental Health counselling
    Climate change guru
    Barista
    Cycle repairs
    Actor/Comedian/Artist
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:40am
    - kowtow
      
      Dope dealing
      Dope abuse counsellor
      Refugee counselling
      Refugee security monitoring
      Mine re entry technicians
      Mine re entry rescue technicians
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  Not Taxes – Levies.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:37am
  - Brett Hudson
    
    They’re “opportunities to contribute.” 😉
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:02am
  - RalphT
    
    Social readjustment contribution?
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:08am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    As I said yesterday, call it what you like but it is theft by stealth
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:39am
- jims_whare
  
  Ja’s reply:
  
  Lets have a conversation about this…
  
  Dear stigie, as you know most people are employed by large companies with huge profits – its only fair they share a lottle of these profits.
  
  We have so many children in poverty – you must hand your money over.
  
  And for your own money, well I would like you to see dear stigie that the government is going to let you keep your money for you.
  
  Its just when you go to the petrol station we will take a lottle off you.
  When you go to the supermarket we will take a lottle off you.
  And if you a one of those disgusting farmers, we will take a lottle off you -but will permit you to still make a profit.
  
  Again think of the children in poverty.
  
  I don’t have any but I do think of them – especially late at night while drinking my almond milk.
  
  Don’t you care stigie? I care. I only came into politics to care.
  
  I want you to care as much as I do and to show that you must give me your money……
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:04am
nasska

Another twenty four hours of child poverdy & still no action. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of tiny coffins filled while the Prime Minister soaks almonds.

Get off your arse & do something woman!
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October 29, 2017 8:03am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Still in the second stage of grief, nascar? You’re angry now but you’ll learn to accept the wonderful JA government soon enough.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:06am
  - stigie
    
    Muttonhead is minus !~
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:07am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol 0:30 – he’s minus now that’s for sure!
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:11am
- realityczech
  
  Not to mention the hundreds of rapes in our universities, and the thousands of Mouldy dying in the famine.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:06am
  - realityczech
    
    I am being attacked by rape/genocide-enablers and its not even 9:00am 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  Six little darlings in our street this week.
  Council comes past twice a day calling “bring out you dead, bring out your dead”
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:33am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Wait until the fuel tax and a further increase in the cost of getting rid of all these dead babies. There go the rates.
    
    Meanwhile, porcelain chops is having a lie in with clerk before heading off for a relentlessly positive latte in Ponsonby Road. I’m losing faith in this government.
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:36am
- flipper
  
  She did.
  Peters gave her permission to attend the NRL Cup game last night. But no sign of the Almond milk drinker (or did I miss it?).
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:34am
  - holysheet
    
    Was probably home in the bossom of his true darling.
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:39am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Paddles?
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:47am
    - big bruv
      
      He does have a reputation of being a chap who enjoys the ladies.
      
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      October 29, 2017 5:53pm
      - RF
        
        Good old 3 in the bed…. gotta keep warm.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:28pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  How many children will die from poverty before next benefit day?
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:26am
Chuck Bird

This is a very interesting case. This sounds like MSD is being very tough on this woman. It appears if someone is struggling on a the DPB and borrows money that they will pay back when they are working they are not entitled to a benefit. If this woman has to pay back money it looks like they are being harder on her than Turei.

Solo mum faces court after borrowing money to keep her family afloat

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/98287382/solo-mum-faces-court-after-borrowing-money-to-keep-her-family-afloat
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October 29, 2017 8:09am
- realityczech
  
  When is Turei’s Court appearance ?
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:11am
  - G152
    
    When the sun rises in the west.
    You -do- realise that she is one of the privileged and should be treated as such.
    Throwing of the key ceremony and all
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:42am
- srylands
  
  Yes I saw that and was surprised. The judgement will be interesting.
  
  I can see arguments both ways. However I think it sets a bad precedent to regard borrowings as equivalent to “income”. What next? We get levied with income tax as we draw down our loans,?
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:14am
  - peterwn
    
    It won’t get to court. There will be Ministerial intervention.
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:18am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I thought it had been to court and the MSD was appealing the decision that it wasn’t income.
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:59am
      - srylands
        
        Yes
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:29am
    - KevOB
      
      MSD may have gone rogue: their predecessors have too. When staff present as if they are personally paying the benefits out of their own pockets they eventually sour relationships between the department and the government.
      
      Just recently I have had a hard time with the annual MSD review. They have demanded details about items in the revenue statement of a private company of which I am not the sole shareholder. I think they are looking for loans being used as income.
      
      Apart from rending the corporate veil with dubious or no authority, the notion of a loan becoming income is another lie as to nature of reality. Lord Simonds on tax stated, paraphrased, that gains which would otherwise be capital, like from the sale of a property or gambling, became income if that was what was lived on. There was no obligation there to repay. Borrowing even from a current account is two way: there is a debt which negatives any possibility of transmuting capital into income.
      
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      October 29, 2017 4:36pm
  - backster
    
    Surely if she did not declare these loans she would not have qualified for all those emergency and accommodation top ups she claimed.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:32pm
- holysheet
  
  You would have more credibility if you got your messiah, the drunken dwarf, to pay back to the taxpayer our missing $158,000.00.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:15am
- Pongo
  
  It could be a case of someone propping her up but doing at via loans that wont be repaid to try and perhaps game the system. I see the MSD arnt including loans to proper established lenders.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “I see the MSD arnt including loans to proper established lenders.”
    
    If you read the article you will see.
    
    “MSD appealed the authority’s decision on the grounds that the bank loans should have been treated as income.”
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I see the MSD arnt including loans to proper established lenders.
    
    MSD only recognise “established lenders” due to unscrupulous money lenders gouging foolish borrowers with exorbitant interest rates. Got to protect the fools from themselves.
    
    There are always those who try to go around the rules and finally get caught out. Guess she may be one of these?
    
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    October 29, 2017 1:28pm
    - peterwn
      
      Surprisingly her lark is similar to that of the two Christchurch private hospital surgeons some years ago. Personal tax rate was 39% and trust rate was 33%. So their income went into their trusts at 33% tax, but they borrowed from their trusts at 0% interest and an indefinite period. IRD busted the trusts as being ‘shams’.
      
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      October 29, 2017 4:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Most trusts are “shams” and should be stomped on. Hard.
        
        Trouble is the people with money and power have them so nothing is ever done.
        
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        October 29, 2017 4:04pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  I’m calling bullshit on that story. That and there will be the other half of the story that we’ll never read due to the beneficiary’s so called right to privacy. (In other words, she’ll be claiming a supplementary accomodation assistance and family will be paying her rent or mortgage.)
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:17am
holysheet

“Lets do this”

Lets raise taxes to pay for all our bullshit promises.
Lets delete child poverty at the stroke of a pen.
Lets shaft all hard working taxpayers by removing their tax cuts promised by National, give it to students, and say its on me.
Lets shaft the pensioners and deny them the increase in super promised by national.
Lets increase the cost of getting to work for the workers in Auckland, by introducing another tax.
Lets increase the size of the govt executive to keep everyone in a job. Keeps my enemies close
Lets stop all immigration and at the stroke of a pen delete the housing crisis.

Feel free to add more

“Lets do this”
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October 29, 2017 8:10am
- 3-coil
  
  Good point – the old age pensioners will now get what they voted for with Winnie, so there will be no whining when it dawns on them the superannuation increases they were due have gone. They have apparently got what they wanted!
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:18am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Don’t make stupid claims. Only about 8% of total voters voted for the man, and so your statement that “the old age pensioners will now get what they voted for” is total bullshit. An unknown proportion of 8% of the vote might have been pensioners. Big deal. Stuff your idiotic generalisations up your back passage where they belong.
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:38am
    - holysheet
      
      Ow that hurt. Feeling a little touchy are we Dave? Has the drunken dwarf gone the wrong way by backing the liabores. What did you expect when you were dumb enough to vote for him? Taxcinda and he will fix it for you, don’t worry.
      Lets do this.
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:52am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I voted 2 ticks National.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:07am
      - holysheet
        
        It will be truely amazing the number of leftie voters who now say they voted for the Nats. This number will only grow the worse this govt gets.
        
        Lets do this
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:38am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Several times before the election I stated that I was going to vote National and I don’t appreciate either your labelling me as a ‘leftie’ or as a liar.
      
      My original comment was about 3-coil lumping all pensioners into the same boat and claiming that they got what they voted for, when only a minuscule proportion of ALL voters supported the odious Peters across the board.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        Leave holysheet to troll, Dave Mann. You are too good and, above all honest a man to waste your time on a misanthrope who makes death threats against politicians of whom he doesn’t approve. Little man, big keyboard… 😉
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:06am
- treadingthemill
  
  @ holysheet
  
  Feel free to add more
  
  You have an interesting fantasy life.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:56am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “And now they’re coming for your social security money, your pension money, they’ll get it one way or another, it’s a big club and you and I are not in the club” George Carlin.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:06am
- calendar girl
  
  “……. removing their tax cuts promised by National.”
  
  “…….deny them the increase in super promised by National.”
  
  Not “promised by National”, but legislated for by Parliament, with the voting support, I believe, of perfidious New Zealand First MPs.
  
  It’s OK for the NZ First Party, though, still owing the NZ Government $158,00 of public monies.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:12am
  - Piniwi
    
    No cg. Their was NO promise of an increase in super by National. There is an annual review every year and it is set at 60% of the median net wage. Only married couples would get the benefit of the tax changes that lifted the income rate levels. If you understand tax bracket creep it easy to follow.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:03pm
- KKKKatee
  
  “Let’s end suicide”.
  Yeah right
  Rather silly of JA to believe that she’s got the magic formula don’t you think?
  I think it’s bloody irresponsible of her to spout such nonsense but will anyone challenge her on that promise? Nope…..
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:41am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually, as I posted a few days ago, I suspect the opposite may ensue as the economy tanks. Farmers are already high risk and the COL has them firmly in their sights. Small business is probably at risk too.
    
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    October 29, 2017 6:11pm
Pongo

Apparently we are to see the end of the Hobbit law clarifying who is a contractor, remember the march of these contractors fighting to keep their status against a push by the Aussie union fella and helen kelly.
Like the 90 day trial law it is a pet hate of a dozen trade unionists so Lees Galloway wants them gone.
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October 29, 2017 8:12am
- KKKKatee
  
  Is it just me, or do others find that Lees-Galloway chap rather ghastly in absolutely every way?
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:31am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    No it’s not just you, he’s a thoroughly objectionable bastard with a silly beard.
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:46am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Great. Then my radar – aka ‘inner feels’ tell me that I read the gentleman correctly. He’s extremely unattractive if I may say so myself.
      And when he opens his gob, even more so…..
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:46am
    - GazzaW
      
      A ‘lapsed’ Kings College old boy and to his eternal shame reputedly one of the leading lights of a bunch of Labour MPs caught nicking booze from the annual Parliamentary journalists’ Christmas piss-up a few years back.
      
      Such is the calibre of the man.
      
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      October 29, 2017 1:01pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Oooh! He’s got form then! Jacinda sure knows how to pick ’em! So theft is theft right? Doesn’t matter how big or small. When you take something that doesn’t belong to you then it’s theft. Another A Grade Asshole in the mix…..,,
        
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        October 29, 2017 2:20pm
  - Viking2
    
    Had to sit thru lunch with him one day. What a fucking plonker. But you get that from entitled rich boys. Never ever work in a robust work place to actually know anything much.
    Waste of space.
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:58am
Manolo

Fighting President Trump with all it takes:
https://news.grabien.com/story-gergen-it-certainly-looks-damn-about-break-trump-administrat
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October 29, 2017 8:23am
- Victor Omega
  
  Uranium One
  
  #lockherup
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  The Guardian is ignoring Uranium One and pushing the FBI Director and the ‘Russian Connection’ to Trump. These guys never give up.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:32am
Nigel Kearney

A quote from Grant Robertson, the genius now in charge of our nation’s finances:

“I will be looking forward to a conversation with NZ Rugby about how they will achieve the Government’s goal of pay equity”
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October 29, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  The first sign that productivity mean nothing to a socialist government. Womens Rugby does not draw the “bums on seats”, and advertising, that the mens game does. Productivity in Rugby is sponsorship & advertising.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:41am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The AB’s are my candy on a stick. Marvellous to watch all that testosterone on display! ?
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:53am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sexist!
      
      You are just hoping SBW has to change his shirt on the field again!
      
      So does mine as she likes a six pack and I have half a keg ?
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:18am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Paulus, it’s not SBW that I have my eye on. ?
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:21am
      - GazzaW
        
        Cougar!!
        
        I hate this big screen live sport on TV. What was once my sole domain sitting with feet up, beer in hand in splendid isolation has now become a family affair shared with wife and daughters rowdily debating the physical attributes of both teams, the quality of the national anthems, which of their friends are at the game and who they went with. The local sports bar is beckoning loudly.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:12pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Cougar! Yes, at my age, guess you got me there Gazza. ?. As I have a hubby with a wider girth at home than those fit young men I do enjoy the eye candy. Let’s face it, the AB’s do everything to make themselves as gorgeous as possible, their gym bunny physiques and their tight shirts. I do appreciate a fast game of running rugby and can relate to not having too many others to interrupt while watching the game.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:38pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I look forward to the day when NZ Women’s rugby achieves $100.00 plus for the corner seats behind the big screen and filling Eden Park, then I believe they have achieved equity other than have just demanding it.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:44am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Michael Barnett of Auckland Business something will be in trouble with the Politburo having stated this morning on Q+A, “the govt should stay out of the AB’s, it is nothing to do with pay equity, it is business”.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:36am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I totally agree with Michael Barnett. This is just the start of the idiocy of Grant Robertson with his grubby little fingers in the nation’s cash register. Be very afraid……
      So far, the honeymoon is over for the new Govt.
      Didn’t last long did it?
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:49am
      - GazzaW
        
        Jacinda can’t be everywhere. We can safely leave her tyro Ministers to put their feet in their mouths at every opportunity.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:15pm
- Huevon
  
  More of this please and we won’t need to wait 3years for a National government.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:47am
- Victor Omega
  
  RIP All Blacks
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:58am
- KKKKatee
  
  Dunno about you – but I’m absolutely sick of hearing the go to phrase “have a conversation” being bandied about these days. I want to put my fingers down my throat and puke up every time I hear Jacinda use that term and now bloody Robertson is using it as well.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:34am
  - Huevon
    
    I’ve said it before, but when a leftie wants to “have a conversation” or “Start a dialogue”, you are guaranteed at the end of it to be less free and have a lighter wallet.
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:39am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      “Having a conversation” means a scripted dialogue in which anyone who disagrees with Labour is (as much as possible) prevented from being heard.
      
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      October 29, 2017 1:34pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        You’re not part of the conversation.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:42pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    “Have a conversation” is so much nicer sounding than saying “We will talk and you will listen.”
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:42am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Communications ‘speak’?
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:09am
    - calendar girl
      
      Touchy-feely stuff of the lefties. No longer in this world of love and eternal light may one use words that might cause offence or emotional concern to any living being (probably even to its deceased remains).
      
      It’s not open to civilised people to engage in a meeting, a discussion, a debate or an argument. Let alone the horror of physical fisticuffs. The ‘feelz’ dictate that any personal interaction must now be described as a ‘conversation’.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:28am
    - holysheet
      
      It means “look the other way while we shaft you. You won’t like how it feelz but thats tough”.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:41am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, “have a conversation” typically means ‘we don’t want to change what we’re doing but we’ll make it sound like we care and are willing to talk’.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:49am
  - softail 1450
    
    KKKKATEE, God help us , and jacinda starting every sentence with “oh look”, it’s gag inducing ..
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:12am
    - Fletch
      
      It’s what Helen Clark and Phil Goff both used to do. Helen used to throw in a little chuckle as well. It’s a way of making the questioner sound like his question is silly and basically patronizing him. It’s a Labour thing.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:52am
    - KKKKatee
      
      True. I’m going to end up bulimic every time I put my fingers down my throat and throw up whenever I hear her spout some carefully scripted bullshit.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:52am
- thedavincimode
  
  I guess that conversation goes something along the lines of: “fuck off”, after which I’ll be looking forward to pugwash minor legislating for pay equity in professional sport and rugby in particular.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  The day he calls for pay equity between the Wheel Blacks and the All Blacks is the day I’ll believe the virtue signalling prick is genuinely concerned about equality , whatever the fuck equality is .
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:45am
- JibberJabber
  
  Awesome, we now have a Finance Minister that does not understand economics, maybe this time ideology will triumph over reality.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:00am
  - softail 1450
    
    JJ, I just heard the fucking fool Robertson repeating the blatant lie that we have the worst homelessness in the entire world , the stupid interviewer Lisa Owen didn’t pull him up on the lie.
    this is what journalism has come to in this country,we can forget about fair and honest reporting for the next 3 years.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:08am
    - Harkman
      
      Lisa Owen is “The World’s Worst Interviewer.”
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:28am
    - lifesgood
      
      To be fair it hasn’t been fair or honest for years. The whole election campaign was an utter disgrace with a totally compliant and complicit msm. Apart from KB who is writing anything at all to the right of hard left?
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:00am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Robertson is a fucking idiot, no question about that. To repeat the lie that we have the worst homelessness in the entire world is total and utter rubbish imo. This little cretin needs to get out more and study homelessness in other parts of the world. He needs to go to places like Bhutan for example where the low caste Indians are brought into build roads with nothing in the way of machinery – and see how they and their families exist under a sheet of rusty old corrugated iron. Now i call that homelessness. And the kids aren’t even allowed to go to school. My husband travels regularly into these poor countries on business – he can tell you lots of stories regarding homelessness.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:19am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Check out South African squatter camps, or the big cities in South America. There is NO poverty, homelessness or any valid reason for unemployment in New Zealand. Unfortunately, too many of our MSM have never been out of the country. Idiots, along with those that make up the COL.
        
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        October 29, 2017 6:15pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Ill tell you what. I can imagine Steven Hansen telling Robbo to get stuffed.
  In other words “Fuck off Noddy!”
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Robbo’s lost the biscuit!
    
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    October 29, 2017 1:44pm
- Viking2
  
  Barnett said it right.
  None of his business.
  
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  October 29, 2017 12:00pm
- Gabby
  
  They’ll combine men’s and women’s rugby. Women welcome to compete on equitable terms.
  
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  October 29, 2017 3:18pm
- KevOB
  
  Are you joking?
  Robertson for Plonker of the Year.
  
  I though I might have some time off and let the government get on with their experiement; b. I’m going to have to stay on duty.
  
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  October 29, 2017 4:47pm
peterwn

Media is trying to portray National MP’s feeling grief etc about now being in opposition and how they need a new leader. They are just making stories. Well, there was one National list MP out at a village fair, tent up, answering questions and handing out membership forms. He looked upbeat and was not wearing sackcloth and ashes. He obviously wants to be an electorate MP and in Cabinet in 2020. He knows he is not going to achieve this being all defeatist and depressed – the best way to try and achieve this is to start campaigning now and to put the hard work in when at Parliament.
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October 29, 2017 8:25am
- treadingthemill
  
  The media like to play up the dramatics, even if it means making claims that are little more than opinion based speculation.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:02am
  - treadingthemill
    
    Journalists should at all times be fair, unbiased, and stick to the facts. It may be time to have a review of how they are currently being trained.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      “Stick to the facts”? Yes. Or at least make a distinction between reporting and legitimate editorialising.
      
      But “fair”? Depends what you mean. Publishing all relevant facts and comments? Sure. But they don’t have to give equality of coverage.
      
      And “unbiased”? Nope. Journalists and their employers are allowed an editorial stance.
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “An editorial stance”, but not if they don’t declare their political bias. The glee journalists display at the positive spin their chosen side receive is sickening.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, like I added later to my post, I’d humbly suggest – and this is in part based on observing your comments and discerning your biases here on Kiwiblog for a number of months, waikatogirl – that is because your own biases are being exposed and inflamed by the stories in question. Doesn’t make it wrong or bad, but it is silly to complain about a natural part of the human condition@! 😉
        
        For example, the story that kicked this thread off – National MPs sad to be departing – is a familiar trope that gets trotted out when a government is cast out of office. A reporter and/or editor who doesn’t run with that angle deserves to be fired.
        
        Plus, “the media is biased” complaint is so f%*&ing boring! You are an adult. You can figure it out for yourself, no matter what the angle, as can others. If you took “the media is biased” angle away from Whale Oil…then he would lose 80% of his (thoroughly biased!) content and stories. 😉
        
        Plus, um, before making a definitive judgement maybe keep an eye on those journalists you do think are biased, and see how they go over the next three years reporting the ups and downs of the current government. If it lasts that long. 😉 I’ve always maintained, that Paddy Gower, for example, is an equal-opportunity muck raker. He doesn’t care about the politics. If there is dirt, or the ability to frame “dirty politics, dirty deals”…he will take it.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:49am
      - treadingthemill
        
        I do not think there is an abundance of overt political bias in the media. Both sides of the spectrum tend to believe the media is against their side. I have seen enough claims over the years at the Standard that the media is right wing that I have become suspicious of the claim no matter which side makes it. I do believe that media has become too like the trashy tabloid style of journalism, tending towards hysterics and over dramatic headlines and reporting.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:02am
      - suzieq
        
        Thank you, Kimbo, for some overdue rationality about the too-often exuberant MSM.
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:09pm
    - Kimbo
      
      David Farrar and many other bloggers are now counted as journalists…and DPF ain’t unbiased and I don’t think he makes any such pretense in his choice of subjects to report and post.
      
      Which is why he gets the following – and trolls – that he does.
      
      Plus the punters are usually only concerned about alleged “bias” when the story or angle affronts their own! So in most cases the media is simply a mirror. 😉
      
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      October 29, 2017 10:41am
      - peterwn
        
        If you do not like an allegedly biased Kiwiblog, you can always go to ‘The Standard’ if left wing or ‘Whaleoil’ if a Winston fan.
        You have much less choice with MSM which is what most people rely on.
        Then there is this guy who gets NZ on Air funding to make an anti- National TV programme every three years.
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ peterwn
        
        You have much less choice with MSM which is what most people rely on.
        
        But it is dying, and other options are available, with the editorial slant that suits your tastes. Don’t like the MSM…go elsewhere.
        
        Then there is this guy who gets NZ on Air funding to make an anti- National TV programme every three years.
        
        Yet Brian Bruce made no difference to the election results in 2014 or 2017. It is all very well saying that you are free of bias, and can see it in media. OK, then trust your fellow Kiwis to collectively do the same.
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        “trolls”
        
        Oh dear the resident pompous know-nothing has seen read something it disagrees with. Diddums 🙂
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:28pm
  - Paulus
    
    Nobody buying the dreadful Herald or the disgraceful liying Dom Post.
    Make up a story or ask anybody from Labour Greens NZF so they can call it authentic.
    
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    October 29, 2017 1:43pm
- Fletch
  
  I belong to one of those community Facebook groups where people can find info and ask questions about things happening locally. Before the election one woman posted a statement about how she hadn’t voted in a while and didn’t know much about the policies of the different parties. She emailed or called the offices of MPs from different parties to find out more and was basically ignored except for the local National MP who went to the trouble of calling her at home. When she wasn’t there he found another way to contact her later and speak to her personally. That is the difference between the parties.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:02am
Nukuleka

I am still chuckling over Ninister of Sport G Robertson’s call for a ‘conversation’ with the NZRFU over gender pay equity for the Black Ferns. Next it will be equity for the Gay Blacks and the Dyke Blacks and the Mini Blacks and the Wrinkly Blacks and the Trans Blacks… Have to address homophobia and ageism and transphobia as well as sexism, Grant!

What a numpty!
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October 29, 2017 8:32am
- flipper
  
  A conversation about how the Peters/Ardern regime can be abolished would benefit the nation.
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I have been on Amazon and am getting a tumbril and a guillotine; the knitting Crone was too expensive as it had to be ten, they had to be unionised and getting them all together when one or more was not going to be off sick, on holiday, a’mental health’ day, training or maternity leave just proved too difficult.
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:50am
    - VicParking
      
      Don’t forget the six months off you will get for your
      gender reassignment reversal.
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:00am
- dime
  
  I think there should also be a conversation as to why my buddies death metal band isn’t earning as much as lorde. Please sort gr
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    She is worth as much as your buddy’s death metal grunge band, about the same as ‘ur Lizzie . . .
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:21am
- UpandComer
  
  That will endear him to the All Blacks. They’ll love the notion of getting paid the same as the wimmin because women.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:33am
Paulus

Did I learn yesterday that Heather Simpson (H2) is now back in the fold.
Presumably to take control of the coalition partners – she will have a file on every one of the and their peccadillos.
No Labour member would dare to do anything without consulting her. The gang is back different order Commie Chick, H2, Grant Robertson.
Helen Clark is still missing but assume she will be back soon frome an attempt to get a Geneva job with UN.
Linda Clark – one time failed repeater is now an Advisor to Commie Chick, as well having held her hand during the election. The other Clarke would not have liked that much.
I thought that Annette King is still hanging by – presumably until she get her reward – reputed London.
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October 29, 2017 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Annette to join her party boy Darren in London. Wow, the Labour good time girl will pop the corks with the arse bandit.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:36am
  - GazzaW
    
    King will no doubt score a Damehood before Jacinda rescinds those quaint titles so publicly despised but secretly coveted by the socialists.
    
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    October 29, 2017 2:54pm
- softail 1450
  
  h2 is now known as Christopher Simpson ,didn’t you know ?
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:45am
- Rachael Membery
  
  H2 was apparently also at the UN.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:56am
  - lifesgood
    
    De facto husband.
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:03am
VicParking

The failing newspaper is writing off the fall in the NZ dollar. “But to put in perspective it is still trading above six month lows – about US68.5c in May – when Bill English’s National Government was considered to be well in control.”. What they fail to point out that in May it was not a fall in the NZ dollar but a rise in the US dollar. This fall is against all currencies and is totally due to the socialist Tripartite. See a dead cat bounce as money poors in from the carpetbaggers to take advantage of the 10% plus interest rates.
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October 29, 2017 8:55am
- GazzaW
  
  The Herald relies on the premise that 80% of its readers have no interest whatsoever in the forex rates beyond their holiday spending money. Careless reporting at best but bordering on the immoral.
  
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  October 29, 2017 4:12pm
Manolo

It could become violent and nasty this week:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4787492/catalan-leader-continue-battle-madrid-government/

As the Spanish government held its first meeting to discuss their new roles since imposing direct rule over Catalonia, Carles Puigdemont instead promised to continue to build a “free country”, and called for “democratic opposition” to Madrid.
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October 29, 2017 9:18am
waikatogirl

Grant speaks on Q+A: Instead of getting the best return for the Super Fund investments Robbo wants the NZ Super fund to invest more in the NZ productivity market rather than the international speculative investment market.

He wants “our GDP to be not as a result of how much we can save but on what we can achieve.”
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October 29, 2017 9:19am
- treadingthemill
  
  wants the NZ Super fund to invest more in the NZ productivity market rather than the international speculative investment market.
  
  Which is a good policy.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:57am
- alloytoo
  
  The fund needs to invest where it received the best return for the lowest risk.
  
  Nothing more.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:28am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Exactly alloytoo, the Super Fund is there to get the best investment return, not to supply Robbo with investment in train sets, etc.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:47am
  - treadingthemill
    
    The fund needs to invest where it received the best return for the lowest risk.
    
    That would not be the international speculative market, which is high risk.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:28pm
    - GazzaW
      
      How about we leave those decisions to the fund manager. KiwiSaver is there to generate the maximum return at minimal risk to its shareholders not as an expression of the political dogma of the ruling party. The Greens would have us investing in wooden bicycle factories.
      
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      October 29, 2017 4:18pm
- Harkman
  
  So I just saw Q & A and GR is already positioning himself for a weaker economy, talking about other measures of growth like happiness ? oh please. Then the panel was a leftist political studies lecturer, a Muslim Marxist and Barnett, who is a faux right winger.
  
  Flicked over to 3 and it was even worse. Bernard Hickey is a Fabian Socialist and was talking about this government being re-elected many times. Good Lord no. David Slack is a Marxist waste of space. Blubber Robertson forgot that the last Labour government left NZ in recession. Robertson said that he is not going tell people what to do but then says he is going talk to the Rugby Union about paying the women’s team more. Ha!
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:22am
- Paulus
  
  Robertson wants to get his hands on this fund to support the poor.
  
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  October 29, 2017 1:46pm
- KevOB
  
  The NZ Super Fund will have to pay out eventually in NZD so investment outside NZ has added currency risk.
  Inside NZ it has political risk as the Minister may prefer to direct investment. The Fund Supervisors if left to their own call could also cause embarrassment to a government.
  
  The wide application across the whole economy, private and public, will provide a safe return and likely greater than the annual national growth rate. The rate will be a composite of population growth and productivity.
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:02pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Not so KevOB. That is a sanitised view but will not pass the sniff test.
    A) The fund has it’s own destiny under control of its own in crowd. They will not relinquish their control.
    B) NZ will rapidly become a very unattractive investment option with so many better options in the big plan. You surely understand the rate/risk equation. Yes we will see interest rates rise but the risk will increase as well.
    C) Robbo will start his borrowing to contribute to the fund from day one. Any public investment by the fund would mean two interest bills.
    D) Our pending recession will be self inflicted not a matter what or who claims another GFC is coming. One natural disaster would be one too many for the Toxic Trio.
    E) The Consumer Index has already slipped 3.6% in just a few days which will follow Labour’s slide.
    Old WP told us a lot more than he intended by his pointing to dark days ahead and he has seen the whole grand plan. He drafted most of it to get the most for his team after he got his riding instructions from his board. Hence the prolonged negotiations on policy issues that IMO got us his plan B.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:55pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Waikatogirl. Productivity is sure to be another Fool Factor falling at rates equal to falling dollar and rapid unemployment rises. The result of more people with zero productivity with the ultimate casualty being GDP. You’ll know when this has happened as Robbo will stop talking about GDP.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:28pm
Dave_1924

Hmmmmm….. we dont need this in NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98300391/iran-diplomat-under-fire-for-antiisrael-speech-in-auckland

No problems in NZ mosques my arse….
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October 29, 2017 9:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The problem is that there are mosques in New Zealand
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:34am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Not to mention the problems going on inside the mosques.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:19pm
- kowtow
  
  No comment from Devoid ?
  
  Compare and contrast the MSM reaction to this genocidal Muslim rubbish to their treatment ad reaction to the US ambassador ‘s Samoa beatup.
  
  And yes the Muslim “community” in Aotearoa is clearly hosting and comfortable with extremism ,which it views as normal , because hating and killing Jews is an integral part of the Koran and something their prophet of peace engaged in.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:57am
- treadingthemill
  
  we dont need this in NZ
  
  No, we do not. I take no side in the Israeli – Palestinian conflict, but New Zealand should not be used by immigrants and foreigners to stir up hate speech against either side, or anyone. They should leave those conflicts behind when they come to live here. And the speech in question was made alongside other speeches promoting Holocaust denial, so it was not just about a current political conflict, We must not allow this kind of racial and tribal ugliness to take root here.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:09am
- Kimbo
  
  We already have Holocaust-denial and accusations of an international Jewish conspiracy and Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity regularly on Kiwiblog. Or is it only non-Muslims who are allowed freedom of speech?
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:17am
  - realityczech
    
    Ask the massively rich and influential ADL the most powerful hate group in the world that censors news and social media to further the interest of radical hate filled zionists.
    
    Do you really think all those people for all those centuries were against the Jews for no reason at all ? They were acting in self defense as Jews were destroying their host culture.
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:16am
    - Kimbo
      
      And exhibit A for my thesis…I present the musings/rhetorical questions of…Kea. 😉
      
      Um, didn’t you say elsewhere today “for decent people your opinion is irrelevant”?
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:20am
      - realityczech
        
        Straight after the messenger. Typical zionist shill.
        
        Tell us why so many different cultures, at different times, in different places – have all come to the same conclusions about Jews ?
        
        And don’t bother with the crap about “its because they are prosperous ” or “Jealousy” etc. You lose that argument went you lie about Jews being victims. You can’t have it both ways. Either they are massively successful, captains of industry, leading in science, finance, tech … or they are victims. They can’t be both.
        
        Lying to defend the wrongs of Jews will not create a heaven for you to fester in. So step into the light and cleanse your filthy lying self with the truth.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:26am
  - Dave_1924
    
    Ead is a nasty piece of work as are those the link relates too
    
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    October 29, 2017 2:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      So getting back to your “we dont need this in NZ” comment, you think EAD should be silenced, or at least removed from Kiwiblog?
      
      Personally I wouldn’t lose any sleep if that happened! But then, credit where it is due, DPF tries to be consistent with his principles. 😉
      
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      October 29, 2017 2:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        There are no “principles” on KB. It perfectly acceptable to call for the mass murder of people Jews hate, even while its actually happening, but reporting facts about Jews can see people banned. That is not a principle, it is bigotry.
        
        That said, it is a very good blog regarding freedom of expression compared to any other.
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:32pm
      - Dave_1924
        
        By their words you will know them kimbo. Let him and others speak .
        
        But in terms of the reported speech by a diplomat to this country… it should in my view lead to expulsion
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Dave_1924
        
        Fair enough..although as he did point out, it is the official policy of the Iranian government. Better to have them say what they mean and mean what they say than tell us lies.
        
        So if we expel him, then we would have to go “all-in” and break off diplomatic relations with Iran. Not sure we would want to do that when
        
        1. despite Iran’s odious politics the world is heading in the opposite direction, at least since Obama. Indeed, we also had no problem dealing with the previous Shah-led human-rights abusing-yet-Israel-recognising regime in Iran either.
        
        2. We would likely lose out on trade dollars…for a principle most nations aren’t prepared to take a stand.
        
        Mind you, it would be interesting to see our present government challenged to take a courageous stand like we did with our anti-nuclear policy, and as the Greens are always urging us to do with Climate Change… 😉
        
        Plus, after our (correct IMHO) co-sponsoring of UNSC2334 it would demonstrate to all in the Middle East we are what we claim – honest brokers. Not that any of the belligerents likely give a shit about that! 😉
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:49pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  And so the Cancer spreads. These people want to turn NZ into the same shitholes they came from
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:56am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Dave – you are treating your enemies far too kindly.
  
  Do you not remember Israel recently declared war on NZ:
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87981623/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war–report
  
  Some “friends” they are
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:09am
Jack5

The diversity dividends continue for the West (so many, they are becoming non-news):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5026457/Four-Moroccans-arrested-gang-rape-Canary-Islands.html
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October 29, 2017 9:27am
- Manolo
  
  Didn’t stephieboy, the Muslim mole, keep telling us this kind of immigration was good for NZ?
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:40am
  - Jack5
    
    What happened to the Stephiestanis? Did the Immigration Dept catch up with them?
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:08am
    - realityczech
      
      Drone strike I believe Jackie.
      
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      October 29, 2017 3:52pm
- realityczech
  
  Are you okay with Jews Jackie ?
  
  Are they an exception ?
  
  How would you feel about a Muslim PM, since you are fine with a Catholic or a Jewish PM ?
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:12am
  - Jack5
    
    I guess it would be worse if a Kea were elected.
    
    Out of curiosity: which of the many sides do the Keas favour in Syria?
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:30pm
    - realityczech
      
      The side of the West not getting involved in religious wars. Let the fuckers reap what they sow.
      
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      October 29, 2017 2:16pm
softail 1450

and this morning on Q&A they have the inevitable fully covered Muslim woman telling us that the govt should subsidise bosses so they can pay the living wage,,,,I didn’t think it was so simple ,the woman is an economic genius…
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October 29, 2017 9:28am
- KKKKatee
  
  I wish it were that easy. We are business owners so we’ll just give our employees access to our bank account and tell them to take whatever they want, whenever they want. No worries.
  Jacinda will be very pleased with us….
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:39am
- holysheet
  
  Yes I saw that. What a dumb bitch. Give anyone a taxpayer subsidy and they will all take it. I might even be tempted to take on more staff again if the taxpayer gives me a hand out. Nah fuck that.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:40am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right holysheet. They are as easy to get a dose of the clap and even harder to get rid off.
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:00pm
- Manolo
  
  How on earth they invite her is beyond belief!
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:41am
  - softail 1450
    
    manolo,it’s gender /religious diversity all wrapped into one package,,she’ll be well sought after in the coming years.
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:52am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  She and the rest just don’t understand. Any money paid as a subsidy is NOT Govt money, it is NET TAXPAYER’S money
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:49am
- MrLovebucket
  
  It was James Shaw under it.
  
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  October 29, 2017 4:33pm
waikatogirl

Question for the Greens: When are you introducing Country of origin labeling on our food?
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October 29, 2017 9:38am
softail 1450

where is the comrade from the politburo ,has he been reassigned ?
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October 29, 2017 9:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  He was a pisstake account, why would they be, they had their fun, I enjoyed it.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hope he/her/they come back. Perhaps it is only a weekday gig. Afterall, the union wouldn’t approve of unapproved overtime.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:55pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.lgnz.co.nz/assets/CouncilReports/CouncilMARK-Assessment-Report-Waimakariri-District-Council-2017-FINAL2.pdf

A refreshing, positive report on the Waimakariri Council. Keep em lean, keep em mean.

Meanwhile the C.C.C. is retarded, incapacitated with bloat, failing to meet its core infrastructure responsibilities to its citizens.

The public parks are now not being mowed. Some resemble the African Savannah
Hagley Park Botanical Gardens has overgrown riverside banks.
The roads are falling to pieces.

Meanwhile the Mayor is off overseas wining and dining.
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October 29, 2017 9:57am
Jack5

For war history enthusiasts and aircraft followers, an interesting short video on the evolution of the Spitfire and how its engine stacked up against the fuel-injected engines of the ME109.

This guy is worth following. You will see a link to another of his videos about Spitfires (many of them used, early versions supplied without manuals) lend-leased to the Soviet Union. The Russians didn’t think as highly of them as the Western Allies did.

Later more than a thousand Mark 9 Spitfires were sent to the Soviet Union, and the Russians didn’t warm to them either.

Spitfire’s engine v. ME109’s:

https://youtu.be/2mkDmHxVDyU

Russian pilots were not impressed by the Spitfires, an impression not countered by the aircraft being unfamiliar to Red Army flak crews:

https://youtu.be/l3KhizcH3vs
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October 29, 2017 10:05am
- realityczech
  
  Reminiscing about killing Germans again. You must belong to one of those radical synagogues.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:39am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s amazing when one does some real research just how megolomanical Jews were and all their plans to exterminate the despised Goyim.
    
    I wonder if Jackie is aware of any of the following plans that were published all before the so called Holocaust™ had been discovered (or invented, if you prefer).
    
    Hooten Plan – forced miscegenation in order to “breed the war-strain of the Germans.”
    
    Morgenthau Plan – called for the complete destruction Germany’s industrial base, coal mines, colleges, universities and all of it’s agricultural crops which would have starved the German population to death
    
    Kaufman Plan – called for the forced sterilisation of every single German male to exterminate the German Race, proposed in 1941 by Theodore N. Kaufmann in his unambiguously titled work Germany Must Perish.
    
    Coudenove-Kalegri Plan – the person behind this plan whilst not Jewish, desired an outcome a mongrel Europe that could be ruled over Jews as written in his 1925 book Practical Idealism
    
    With the exception of Kalegri all these plans were drawn up by Jews of Germanic origin.
    
    After what happened to the Russians at the hands of Bolsheviks like Genrikh Yagoda (born Yenokh Gershevich Iyeguda) & Trotsky (born Lev Davidovich Bronstein) it is not surprising that Sir Anthony Eden bitterly noted at the time “these ex-Germans seem to wish to wash away their ancestry in a bath of blood”.
    
    Indeed, when reading such a string of observable facts, one does begin to wonder Who were the real exterminationists?
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:03am
    - realityczech
      
      You and your historical facts EAD. What do facts and evidence prove ?
      
      Jews told us they are Gods master race and that is all we need to know. It works for most of the other goy on KB, why can’t you get with the program ? 🙂
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:08am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Facts must not get in the way of peoples belief system here on Kiwiblog RealityCzech. Telling the truth, backed up by the original source is literally Nazi!! 🙂
        
        There are only a few of us one here who notice the sheer hypocrisy when describing the Goyim nations (particularly the German Nation), contrasted with the behaviour of the state of Israel
        
        You see, when Nazi Germany wanted to unite all German people living in areas that had been Germany just one generation before that is called Lebensraum. When Israel is granted a piece of land due to dodgy biblical claims thousands of years ago, ethnically cleanses hundreds of Palestinian towns an then occupies further territories after launching blitzkrieg attacks (the 6 day war) that is called realpolitik.
        
        We’re constantly told that the Nazis saw the Germans as being a Master Race. When the Jews describe themselves as being Chosen (for what, by whom, why?), then we just nod our heads and fail to see the hypocrisy.
        
        When Germans create a watered down version of the Talmuds blood line laws (to defines Jewishness) for the German Nation they are described as creating an ubermensch. When Jews blood test immigrants for racial purity and ban marriages in Israel for those not of the blood, it is called protecting their culture.
        
        When the Jews massacre tens of millions of Russians, it is done by the Bolsheviks (actually it’s hardly mentioned at all). After the Nazis allegedly committed the Holocaust, all Europeans must not hate and must open their borders.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:26am
      - realityczech
        
        The Jews are a tribe. They say so themselves. If you are not part of the tribe you are nothing. Non Jews are to be used for the benefit of Jews with no regard to morality or decency.
        
        Many Jews do not agree with all of this and are decent people. However they are not the ones with influence and the power.
        
        You are a lot less critical of Jews than many Jewish people are who are not supporters of the radical zionism which has become normalised in the West.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Kea2 posts “Reminiscing about killing Germans”…
    
    Idiot! The video is by a very well informed German guy.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:33pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  https://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:40am
  - realityczech
    
    EAD these zionist nut jobs love war. Just look at all the people the USA are attacking or acting against. Every single one of them out of favour with radical zionists.
    
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    October 29, 2017 10:42am
- G152
  
  Seeing that the German aces scored very highly in the East I’d dare to venture that there was nothing wrong with the aircraft the Russian were flying and more to do with their inadequate training
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Most of the Russian aircraft – some say as many as 2000 aircraft – were wiped out, nearly all on the ground, in the first two days of the German war on the Soviet Union.
    
    By the end of the war, the Russians were making some quite reasonable planes. Their tactics were pretty weak, though.
    
    One Soviet pilot, who later became a well known satirist, said that when they attacked the Luftwaffe bases they didn’t choose from fuel, bomb dumps, aircraft, or runways as a key target, but were sent back again and again until everything was flattened: useless planes, damaged planes, runways, bomb dumps, fuel – the lot.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:36pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sorry folks, my intent was just to draw the attention of military history buffs to an interesting video on Spitfires by a German researcher.
      
      Instead it proved to be a bone for the Kea trolls and for the resident Nazi apologist.
      
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      October 29, 2017 12:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        This from an apologist for genocide and persecution that is happening right now.
        
        The only thing the Germans need to apologise for is losing. By doing so it allowed the Jewish Bolsheviks to bring decades of death and terror to Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Tens of millions dead and death camps galore.
        
        It makes Israel’s war crimes today seem almost civilised.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea2 (realityczech) posted at 1.04:
        
        [Germany’s defeat in World War 2] … allowed the Jewish Bolsheviks to bring decades of death and terror to Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
        
        Numbskull! Those Bolshevik leaders who were Jewish — such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Rykov, Kamenev — were dead by the time Germany attacked the Soviet Union, breaking the two countries’ pact.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:42pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and in Trotsky’s case an ice pick in the head by an assassin who was sent to Mexico City by Stalin, I believe.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arN7OXjHDEY
        
        Whatever happened to
        Leon Trotsky?
        He got an ice pick
        That made his ears burn
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Those Bolshevik leaders who were Jewish — such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Rykov, Kamenev — were dead by the time Germany attacked the Soviet Union, breaking the two countries’ pact.”
        
        Yes as were many non Jewish people. They created a monster.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:51pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Are EAD and realityczech both neo-Nazis? That would explain realityczech calling Obama a Jewish slave nigger. I am sure that all this hate speech is contrary to My Farrar’s comment rules.
        
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        October 29, 2017 2:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        Those silly hate-speech rules only apply to Jews. If you want hate speech then come to KB and see what is allowed when talking about the people Jews hate.
        
        But all that is self evident. Why do have no double standards ?
        
        Why is it okay to call for Muslims to be rounded up, held in detention camps ? Why is it okay to demand their countries be nuked to glass [sic] ?
        
        But to even report facts about Jewish wrongs is “hate speech” ? Even when the source is Israeli news !
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:38pm
- Gabby
  
  Too many moving parts for great russian achievements of technology maintenance.
  
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  October 29, 2017 3:35pm
Captain Mainwaring

And now Twyford has said that other councils will be able to follow Auckland’s lead in applying for the right to impose local petrol taxes.
Watch out folks.
On this subject, what’s to stop gas stations just outside the boundary jacking up their prices by half the amount of the tax and pocketing the lot?
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October 29, 2017 10:05am
- VicParking
  
  Queenstown, West Coast district and Whanganui are all slobbering at the mouth in anticipation of being able to get hold of a Petrol tax (levy).
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Tauranga Mayor wants the local share of GST instead.
    
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    October 29, 2017 1:50pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Phil Goff will not be beaten. If the peasants of NZ petrol stations match Auckland then we need to be ahead. So make it 20 cents per litre and fuck you
  
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  October 29, 2017 6:21pm
Digmen1

Putting the minumum wage up and the reducing the tax for small buinsseses to cover their loss.

Seems crazy to me.
Where is the divide between a small business and a large business?

How about reducing all of our costs instead.
Bloated Councils – high rates and charges!
High grocery prices
High Petrol Prices
So we all have more money in our pocket!
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October 29, 2017 10:15am
- alloytoo
  
  I dunno, that just seems too…….workable.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:19am
- VicParking
  
  Reducing tax means borrowing for government expenditure, which means higher interest rates and inflation. That means wages need to go up further.
  Sound familiar……
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:31am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Grant has the answers to your questions – he is the new ‘go to’ person, he knows where the money will comefrom
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:04am
  - stigie
    
    But before he tells you where the money is coming from, he needs to have a conversation with the commission of inquiry !~
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:19am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      He knows where the money is coming from, he just can’t tell you yet. Sensitive information, needs to be kept secret
      
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      October 29, 2017 12:29pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    The $11b hole positively leaking……
    
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    October 29, 2017 2:28pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      $23B in 100 days.
      No link but it may be here on KB
      
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      October 29, 2017 6:23pm
fernglas

I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer about why food prices are so high here. Sure, I can understand that our distance from suppliers is a factor, but transport costs don’t account for the difference. If you want people to eat better, you can either give them more money for food or reduce the price of food. No government seems to have addressed the latter.
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October 29, 2017 10:32am
- realityczech
  
  ” I can understand that our distance from suppliers is a factor, but transport costs don’t account for the difference. ”
  
  Bullshit.
  
  Yet you can buy NZ products cheaper in the UK. You can buy milk in the Aussie dessert cheaper than in NZ surrounded by diary farms.
  
  We are being lied to.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:04am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    dessert? diary?
    Was your English teacher a Labourite unionist?
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:11am
    - realityczech
      
      Capt go back to viewing objectionable images on your mum’s computer.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:19am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        czech, go back to school and get a better teacher.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:24am
  - flipper
    
    Yours is the bullshit.
    Ever hear of loss leading?
    What the supermarket giveth he taketh away….
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:13am
- KevinH
  
  The answer is relatively simple. NZ has a small population base therefore the economies of scale kick in.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:18am
- calendar girl
  
  Our great protector of competition in wholesale and retail distribution markets, the Commerce Commission, must take a fair share of the blame for NZ food prices being too high.
  
  When New Zealand had three major grocery groups here – (a) the Progressive / Foodtown / Countdown chain, (b) the Foodstuffs Group (New World, Pak ‘N Save, etc); and (c) the Australian Woolworths chain – the CC granted approval for the merger of the latter two. All based on legal niceties that few of us would ever understand, but continue to pay for in higher food prices many years latter.
  
  As a different issue, our family won’t now buy meat, fruit or fresh vegetables in supermarkets. Instead, we search out our local butchery and fruit & vegie experts to obtain the following advantages:
  • fresher and better-quality produce, with any inferior elements already hand-removed;
  • absence of plastic / cling-wrap packaging (it makes the produce sweat!);
  • expert advice close at hand on varieties, taste and quality; and
  • cheaper prices overall, taking qulity into account; we often marvel at the volume of healthy food we get in our weekly fruit & vegie purchase for the price of, say, three “Big Macs” which we would never buy!
  
  On most packaged food products, unfortunately, there is little alternative to the high prices of the virtual supermarket cartel that operates in this country.
  
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  October 29, 2017 1:12pm
  - GazzaW
    
    We don’t have the market size to warrant another supermarket chain. Aldi and another European chain have both scoped NZ and despite Aldi already having a presence in Australia do not consider NZ viable.
    
    By all means support your small local suppliers – we sure do for all the reasons you state but I think that we get a fair crack of the whip at the supermarkets too. Swings and roundabouts, but our weekly bill is pretty comparable to what we spend in Australia.
    
    I have a mate who was a senior exec with one of our large chains and the return is about 5-7% on their capital. Not excessive given the margins in other industries.
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:15pm
Digmen1

What we need is someone to go behind the scenes and see where the high prices come from.

And what do we mean when we say food – I don’t like to count fruit and veges are they are so seasonal.

Easy to measure things like 2L of milk.
A Can of baked beans
A size 14 frozen chicken
A popular brand of shampoo
A popular brand and size of toothpaste

And bought in a major supermarket at normal shelf prices.

Then find out the supermarkets buying price.
Ie are they being over charged.

Another cause of our high prices is our small market (ie population)

Eg if you own a food company (or any company) you may want to make x amount of nett profit for you.
If you have a small market then you have to charge more.
If you have a larger population, you can sell more items with a lower wholesale cost.
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October 29, 2017 10:51am
- Fletch
  
  I can understand the high prices of items that have to be shipped from half a world away to New Zealand, but for things like milk and butter, which we produce locally, it doesn’t seem right.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:07am
  - Kimbo
    
    Why not?
    
    Top dollar prices are overseas – even when you factor in the transport costs (which are reduced the greater the bulk) and/or (in the case of Europe and the USA) tariff costs- so that is where the sales are made…leaving less supply for the domestic market.
    
    So according to the law of supply and demand, what happens to the price of a good where the demand remains the same, but the supply is less?
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:11am
    - Fletch
      
      Right. So it basically comes down to greed. Companies would rather ship their goods overseas to rake in the cash than to provide kiwis the fruits of our own produce at a fair price. Yes, it makes good business sense for them but it doesn’t seem right.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:31am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Yes, it makes good business sense for them but it doesn’t seem right.
        
        Good business sense and what is right for people and the environment are often in conflict. And it’s usually people and the environment which lose.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        Right. So it basically comes down to greed.
        
        No, it comes down to selling the product that you have laboured long and hard to produce, including incurring risks and opportunity costs, for the best return on investment you can. And in doing so they earn expert dollars that benefit the whole nation.
        
        Companies would rather ship their goods overseas to rake in the cash than to provide kiwis the fruits of our own produce at a fair price. Yes, it makes good business sense for them but it doesn’t seem right.
        
        Uh huh. That is one character judgement. Me? Based on your statements, I prefer the option that you are a willful ignorant bludger, with a moaning bludger’s mentality. Still time though, Fletch, for you put your money where your mouth is, and invest in a dairy farm and insist that you only sell to those who will on-sell to the local market…no matter how much profit you will forgo.
        
        By any chance did you also adopt that attitude in your working life? Like, say, if you worked in a store, did you tell your boss, “don’t pay me so much. Instead, use some of my wages to reduce prices for our poor local customers”?
        
        Thought not…
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:47am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Fletch, nice thought, but you go into business to make money not provide cheap food to the masses. Business are not going to cut their prices but overheads could be much cheaper. Too much govt regulation is a good place to start, but cutting regs under this govt isn’t going to happen.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Top dollar prices are overseas ”
      
      More wordy bullshit from the pompous know -nothing Bimbo.
      
      “Having returned from Britain two weeks ago, I can confirm that I was able to buy chilled NZ lamb in a Tesco’s supermarket for about 8 for a whole leg, which equates to $17. I find it incredible that NZ produce can be shipped nearly 20,000km and sell for considerably less than here. As the Londoners would say, ‘Are you having a laugh?”‘
      
      Murray tops that: “We are Kiwis living six months every year in Europe and find New Zealand incredibly expensive. NZ lamb was on special at Tesco’s this week at two legs for 10, or $21.27 in our money.
      
      “Fish is far cheaper,” he writes, “as are virtually all other cuts of meat. More galling is buying at Tesco’s a 2010 Oyster Bay sauvignon blanc [$20.43 in Foodtown this week] for the equivalent of $9.99.
      
      “Our favourite Castello blue cheese is the equivalent of $2.50 for a small pack that is made in NZ and sells there for $6.63.”
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/cheesed-why-our-produce-cheaper-abroad
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        Ho hum.
        
        If they sold to the NZ market first, i.e., the high quality stuff, the price they could command (due to supply and demand) would be even less than $17 for lamb, $9.99 for wine, and $2.50 for cheese. But as the domestic market is small, the producers would be left with shit loads left to sell overseas. Hence the overseas market gets the first shot and has all its orders filled first as it buys in bulk. Better to sell most of your (perishable – did you notice that about the examples given? Thought not…) stock at a reduced price than a much smaller portion at a higher price.
        
        Is the 80-20 principle. 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers. The other 80% – including the small NZ domestic market – supplies just 20% of the revenue…and you have the additional costs of advertising and marketing for those “bits-and-pieces” customers.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:56am
      - realityczech
        
        It is cheaper overseas Bimbo. The opposite of what you said.
        
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        October 29, 2017 11:59am
      - Kimbo
        
        For the especially slow, putting together my two posts:
        
        “Top dollar” = “the overseas market gets the first shot and has all its orders filled first as it buys in bulk. Better to sell most of your…stock at a reduced price than a much smaller portion at a higher price”.
        
        Hence prices for the consumer are cheaper overseas…but the supplier makes more money selling to them…as they sell much more stock. The worst thing you can have is lots of unsold stock, especially if it is perishable, sitting in warehouses (which is also a cost!), with the new season’s production about to hit the shelves.
        
        So lots of supply overseas = low consumer prices there. Less supply domestically = higher consumer price here.
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:04pm
      - nasska
        
        All reasonable points Kimbo but you have sidestepped or ignored the biggy. The examples given were for overseas retail prices. Chances are that the NZ & export prices will differ but not by a huge margin……if they did food wholesalers would import rather than stock a local product.
        
        Instead what we are seeing is price gouging on an industrial scale practised by two parts of a retail duopoly who only stand to lose massively by undercutting each other.
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        All reasonable points Kimbo but you have sidestepped or ignored the biggy. The examples given were for overseas retail prices. Chances are that the NZ & export prices will differ but not by a huge margin……if they did food wholesalers would import rather than stock a local product.
        
        Yes, I’ve factored out the alleged oligopoly with our supermarkets as I’m not convinced either way. Instead I’m giving the timeless reason why, in an age of international trade and free markets, domestic prices for a specialist locally-produced goods in a nation has a competitive advantage are sometimes higher than overseas, especially when the domestic market is so small like NZ.
        
        But I do notice that my supermarket – and local butcher – often have Australian steak during bbq season. Is tougher than the local version as Aussie stock does not have as much free access to water – or at least that’s what a butcher told me! 😉
        
        So yes, ironically “coals to Newcastle” sometimes makes economic sense for all…
        
        You’re a farmer aren’t you, btw? Prepared to sell your produce at a discount price for Fletch?!
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:41pm
      - nasska
        
        Farmers are price takers Kimbo. They are paid out at the gate price or sometimes under advance contract. Record return was about $125 for a 17.5kg lamb on the hooks or about $7/kg to the poor old cocky.
        
        Compare that with the prices in your local supermarket & weep!
        
        And that’s “farmer – retired” as from 30 June past. 🙂
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        Yes, I thought you would mention “price takers” which is the reality when you produce a single homogeneous seasonal good at the same time as many others. But only because you are producing a single homogeneous seasonal good at the same time as many others! ?
        
        Put it this way: Henry Ford, despite being a pioneer of industry and manufacture still retained the perspective and judgement of a mid western farmer all his life. Hence his propensity for the conspiracy theory there were middlemen cheating both producers and consumers. In his case it was supposedly international Jewish finance.
        
        Instead, he and the farmers of the mid west were experiencing supply and demand. The more they all produced the less they were all paid, while most consumers, at least in the cities of the east paid less. But not necessarily in the small towns…of the mid west. ?
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jesus wept Bimbo, Penny would be proud to turn out so much wordy crap as you have today.
        
        Do try and think about what you are saying and use a more economical and lively style in banal presentations.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea2 (realityczech) at 11.43 links to an Otago Daily Times article from October 29, 2010 written by the now late Garth George.
        
        This quotes the price of NZ Oyster Bay sauvignon blanc at Tesco seven years ago at the equivalent of NZ$10.60.
        
        In fact, if you go to the Tesco web site you will see this wine is selling now at the equivalent of $19.93 a bottle – and that’s when you buy it by the case.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        ✡ Bimbo ✡
        It was a price comparison dipshit. Are you claiming you people have fundamentally changed the economics in that time ?
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea2 (realityczech) is a troll who has been under the bridge so long he/she doesn’t even know what year we are in.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        Yeah, and I know I shouldn’t admit it, but that star of David thing was kinda amusing in its crazy bat shit way. Whereas EAD does snide, Kea goes “all in”. 😉
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:38pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Kimbo: “But as the domestic market is small, the producers would be left with shit loads left to sell overseas. Hence the overseas market gets the first shot and has all its orders filled first as it buys in bulk. Better to sell most of your (perishable – did you notice that about the examples given? Thought not…) stock at a reduced price than a much smaller portion at a higher price.”
        
        So avocado and kiwifruit growers sell off their produce to NZ’ers just in case they can’t sell their export quality overseas? Doesn’t seem quite right unless exporters know they can sell their largest, best quality overseas for a good price. NZ always miss out on the best quality, larger fruit and get charged export prices for the tiddlers from the bottom of the bin.
        
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        October 29, 2017 2:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ waikatogirl
        
        So avocado and kiwifruit growers sell off their smallest produce to NZ’ers just in case they can’t sell their export quality overseas?
        
        No, I was explaining to Fletch why the overseas market is supplied first, not the domestic market like he wants – many more buyers and consumers overseas means more money to the producers and other on-sellers, even at a lower price. So you have to fill those orders/supply that demand in the first instance. Whatever is left over goes to the local market where
        
        NZ miss out on the best quality and get charged export prices for the same.
        
        Not quite. The domestic market sets its own price based on supply. As there is less left over, then the price is set domestically, not overseas.
        
        Or you could wait until January when the supply is much larger and the price drops. Which is always the best idea with all seasonal produce. 😉
        
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        October 29, 2017 2:08pm
      - holysheet
        
        It works both ways bimbo. I recently had the chance to import a product used in my manufacturing. Up until now I was paying $850 a ton, buying from the local importer by the ton lots. I normally go through 18 to 20 ton annually.
        By buying 22 ton at one go, I got the cost down to $480 per ton. Now for the dilemma. Do I reduce my retail price by a similar amount or do I pocket the difference as extra profit.
        Nah I will keep the cash as a buffer against the uncertain times ahead with this clusterfuck govt.
        
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        October 29, 2017 3:06pm
      - KevOB
        
        Economies of scale are evident here. Export lamb are purchased in bulk by specialist buyers for large overseas chains. Prices are contracted. We locals get the left overs.
        
        Retail prices here have high margins to absorb the overheads of small size and high wages. Add lower levels too of wholesale and distributors margins and a producer may get well less than 50% of the retail price excluding GST at the factory.
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:20pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        [$20.43 in Foodtown this week]
        
        Where the Hell is Foodtown?
        Did you mean 20 years ago?
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      Except top dollar prices aren’t overseas.
      
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      October 29, 2017 3:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yep you can just pop down the road to the local supermarket and pay some of the highest prices in the world.
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:49pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Bought any timber lately?
    42 x 42 x 1.2M h3.2 Baluster $10.17 each! Bunnings.
    We have a lot of radiata in NZ
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:36pm
    - nasska
      
      For perspective you can buy a 1000mm x 40mm x 40mm fence batten for $1 plus GST.
      
      NZ retailers bleed us white.
      
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      October 29, 2017 12:48pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        This is dressed, not rough sawn. None of that rustic stuff around here thanks
        
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        October 29, 2017 4:33pm
      - nasska
        
        You can put a shit load of R/S through a four sider in an hour Steve.
        
        In any case that’s the problem with you Jafas…..too much money earned too easily lets you pass up the rustic look created by fence battens stained with creosote & diesel. 🙂
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:21pm
      - Colville
        
        nasska
        the bottom (pruned) 10% of the tree is 60% of the $$.
        The RS batton is out of the rough shit with the big branching, its near worthless.
        
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        October 29, 2017 7:52pm
      - nasska
        
        Accepted Colville but 42 x 42 x 1.2M h3.2 Balusters @ $10.17 each as Steve instanced is an absolute ripoff. Dollars to doughnuts it will represent a markup between 150 & 200%.
        
        Traditional markups were always based on the turnover of the stock. Once a year (eg garden centres) 100%, hardware 2.5/yr 50%. Bread, tobacco, papers & milk all under 10% as they turnover within a couple of days.
        
        Anything over a 100% is extortion, pure & simple.
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:13pm
- nasska
  
  You’d need a sizeable team of forensic accountants to unravel what supermarkets pay for their stock Digmen. Prices are not what is stated on a wholesale list.
  
  There are payments for shelf space & displays, seasonal discounts, supplier staff restocking shelves, bulk discounts, thirteen for twelve bribes, 120 day credit & that’s off the top of my head.
  
  The lack of competition is the problem.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:18am
  - realityczech
    
    Yep and how much of it all do the farmers see ?
    
    We have absurdly high food prices and I am sick of the lies about the causes.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:36pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Bugger all. Farmers are ‘price takers’ unlike supermarkets who are ‘price setters’.
      
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      October 29, 2017 2:31pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Take what they can get.
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:04pm
Digmen1

Then you also have to cover things like wages and shops rent.

I imagine they will be similar in developed countries and much lower in say asian countries China and Malaysia.
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October 29, 2017 10:53am
nasska

…..”or reduce the price of food”…..

Unless you think that the government should regulate food prices or have us all shop at state owned markets there’s probably not a lot they can do.

The problems started with the dearth of competition resulting from a duopoly consisting of Foodstuffs & a pack of thieves from Australia. Both National & Labour are complicit in allowing this to happen
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October 29, 2017 10:58am
- Digmen1
  
  No I am not saying the government should do anything in this area,
  
  But we need to do something so that we all have lower costs and more money in our pockets.
  
  And there are other supermarkets. Esp Asian shops.
  
  And if (like me) you do not like Australian owned stuff you can shop at New World or Pack n Save and not shop at Hardley Normal and bank with one of the many kiwi owned banks
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:31am
flipper

Mnnnn……
I wonder about that sort of shit. The (Mitchell- designed) Spitfire was a product of the early 1930s Schneider flying boats. It went through many developments culminating in the 12 and a few 13s.
At a time when it mattered most it could out-turn and out-fight the ME 109s. It may not have had as much speed as the ME109s, but in the B of B it stuffed the 109 when it mattered. And it was Galland who told Goering that he wanted Spitfires. The evolution of the Rolls Royce Merlin was also a major factor (vast increase in power/weight ratio and other improvements) and resulted in the best propeller driven fighter …. the Mustang P51.

So who gives a shit about what that film maker thinks. And as for the Sovs….. they complained when the Brits, at a time of extreme need, kept some old US Aircobras rather then sending them to Stalinland. The fact is that they wanted whatever they could get.
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October 29, 2017 10:58am
Hugh Pavletich

Labour’s Phil ‘Mr Fixit’ Twyford fixated on Auckland’s housing and transport woes … Henry Cooke … Fairfax / Stuff NZ

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98276273/labours-phil-twyford-fixated-on-aucklands-housing-and-transport-woes

Phil Twyford has a lot to do.

The new housing, transport, and urban development minister has been one of National’s more persistent critics over the last term, needling the government on rocketing house prices, rising rents, and the tax breaks that make it possible. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

http://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… Some recent history … a March report …

It is important too to understand the significance of the opposition political parties working together within the MMP environment … as illustrated with the RMA amendment legislation back in March (much the same with the HASHA legislation September 2016) … reported by Bernard Hickey of Newsroom soon after …

https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom

7. Just in case you missed it…

One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.

The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.

The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
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October 29, 2017 11:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Phil Twyford has a lot to do.”
  
  Aren’t we lucky then that he’s such a genius?
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:14am
- Rodney Randall
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/government_should_abolish_auckland_urban_growth_boundary
  
  Posted by Phil Twyford on May 18, 2016
  
  “The Government should rule out any possibility of an urban growth boundary in Auckland Council’s Unitary Plan if it is serious about fixing the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.
  
  “Over 25 years the urban growth boundary hasn’t prevented sprawl, but it has driven land and housing costs through the roof. It has contributed to a housing crisis that has allowed speculators to feast off the misery of Generation Rent, and forced thousands of families to live in cars, garages and campgrounds.
  
  “Labour’s plan will free up the restrictive land use rules that stop the city growing up and out. It will stop land prices skyrocketing, and put the kibosh on land bankers and speculators.”
  
  Minister Twyford has a monumental task ahead.
  Time will tell if he can walk the talk…
  
  He is in an unenviable position. Opposition will be fierce and unwaivering from all corners of the political spectrum.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:21am
  - Kimbo
    
    Like, say, the central-planning control-freak instincts in his own party, and NZ First…and that’s before you even get to the Greens…whose political instincts all contributed to the problem in the first place?!
    
    Good on you, Rodney. You’ve been pushing Twyford’s barrow on the UGB for about a week. Now watch this space if he can deliver…
    
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    October 29, 2017 11:27am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Interesting times ahead Kimbo. Call me a cynic, but I suspect the cross party political ‘consensus’ on solutions to the housing woes proves to be nothing more than a mirage.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:55am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        From mid last year …
        
        RAW DATA: Nick Smith – New policy proposed for urban development | The National Business Review
        
        https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/raw-data-nick-smith-new-policy-proposed-urban-development-b-189860
        
        Google news search ‘Nick Smith urban limits”
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?ei=mBP1WaeSGMWg0gSHj6rwAw&q=nick+smith+urban+limits&oq=nick+smith+urban+limits&gs_l=psy-ab.12…6496.7203.0.11619.8.5.0.0.0.0.521.849.3-1j0j1.2.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..6.0.0….0.0nyfDL_In0w
        
        Access extensive further material via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
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        October 29, 2017 12:45pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        LABOUR IS NEW ZEALAND’S REFORM PARTY …
        
        Under no circumstances will the bureaucrats at local and central level want to see Labour fail in restoring housing affordability and social; justice.
        
        The Protectionist Right has been beaten with the change of government.
        
        I learnt some very valuable political lessons back in the early 1990’s, while President for the South Island Division of the Property Council … getting land supply opened up here in Christchurch.
        
        When Labour Councillor Charles Manning, Chairman of the Environment Committee came on board, the battle was won.
        
        Like me, he detested the social injustices of housing / land inflation … and was not prepared to tolerate it
        
        Note the Christchurch City Council Quick Facts ‘House Sales’ graph illustrating Christchurch house price trends through the 1990’s to 2002, in comparison with the rest of the country …
        
        https://www.ccc.govt.nz/culture-and-community/christchurch/statistics-and-facts/facts-stats-and-figures/housing-and-dwellings
        
        This very much shaped my thinking when getting the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey underway with Wendell Cox late 2004 … some 13 years ago.
        
        What we are seeing now is Labour restoring affordable housing and social justice … at the national level now.
        
        Labour is New Zealand’s reform party.
        
        The previous Clark / Cullen Labour government could most charitably be described as an ‘unfortunate aberration’. A late 2008 article of mine …
        
        “Kiwis Pay Price For ‘Cullen Housing Bubble’” | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO200810/S00090.htm
        
        The Nation Party’s John Key was going to sort this out …
        
        John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        … but he proved himself to be a political loser … as graphically illustrated at my archival website (click on my name above).
        
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        October 29, 2017 5:21pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Property Institute supports proposal to build Southern Auckland City | Voxy.co.nz
        
        http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/5/296466
        
        Property Institute of New Zealand Chief Executive, Ashley Church, is applauding a Government proposal to investigate building a Southern Auckland City centred around Paerata and says that it represents the sort of big picture thinking that will ultimately resolve the Auckland Housing crisis.
        
        Housing Minister Phil Twyford has flagged the idea of the satellite city which could eventually be capable of housing 500,000 people and could provide homes costing under $500,000 within 30 minutes of the Auckland CBD.
        
        Mr Church says that the plan ticks most of the boxes required to solve Aucklands housing shortage: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        October 30, 2017 1:06am
- wiseowl
  
  Tinkering with the RMA is a stupid move .
  Councillors need to get their plans right but they are mostly led by the nose and impose more and more regulations for the UN.
  Rules and regulations are in their hands.
  
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  October 29, 2017 12:47pm
Fletch

Here’s what is happening with Canada after legalizing euthanasia. Now there is a push for parents to be able to euthanase their infants.

Death with dignity? Think again. Canada’s suicide activists are coming for your children

[T]he legalization of euthanasia and assisted suicide for those nearing the end of their lives — or at least those whose deaths could be “reasonably foreseen,” which permitted the Orwellian activists to label lethal injections and suicide assistance as “end of life care — was not nearly enough. This is despite the fact that the number of people who have decided to avail themselves of this service is staggeringly high: 1,982 deaths between June 17, 2016 and June 30, 2017.

It is not surprising that suicide is becoming more common than anyone expected. One Canadian judge has already indicated that a patient need not be terminal in order to qualify for killing — and one euthanized woman may have only had a bladder infection. There have been other suspect killings, as well. One disabled woman was even pressured to accept euthanasia. No one talks about them much, of course. Collateral damage is an expected side effect of euthanasia regimes. There will be many, many more in the years to come.

Worst of all, this week the discussion about extending “suicide rights” to children resurfaced in an article in the Globe and Mail:

A Canadian Paediatric Surveillance Program (CPSP) survey, released Thursday, shows the frequency with which pediatricians are having exploratory conversations about, or fielding explicit requests for, medical assistance in dying (MAID). The findings could inform changes to federal legislation, and underscore the tension between an individual’s right to autonomy and society’s responsibility to protect the most vulnerable.

Of the 1,050 pediatricians who participated in the survey, 118 said that over the course of a year, they had MAID-related discussions with a total of 419 parents; most of the minors in question were children under the age of 13. When it came to explicit MAID requests, 45 doctors said they dealt with a total of 91 parents. Nearly half of the requests related to infants less than one month old.

Let that sink in for a moment. Nearly 50 parents approached doctors to find out whether they could have their newborn child killed. Infant children, it should go without saying, cannot give consent. But now that Canada’s Supreme Court and Parliament has given the medical system the task of killing people as well as healing them, some Canadian mothers and fathers have been emboldened to ask physicians if it would be possible to kill their infant sons or daughters.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/death-with-dignity-think-again.-canadas-suicide-activists-are-coming-for-yo

They also want to expand it to people who cannot give consent –

Veronique Hivon of the Parti Quebecois said “a lot of people” approach her about modifying the law to allow family members with degenerative illnesses such as Alzheimer’s access to the procedure…

“There is a very clear desire within the population to debate expanding the legislation. We need this debate to happen.”

Quebec Health Minister Gaetan Barrette said in a statement the government is putting together a committee of experts to look into the “complex question” of expanding the law to have it apply to people who are deemed “legally and clinically unfit” to give consent to the procedure.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453213/never-enough-euthanasia-canada
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October 29, 2017 11:23am
- realityczech
  
  My word. What would Geeeeeeesus think ? ✞
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Great contribution there , Kea.
    
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    October 29, 2017 12:53pm
- kowtow
  
  Amazing . And yet the same people would be vehemently opposed to the death penalty.
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:37am
EAD_TWO

Why the hell is the ice cream company founded by Ben Cohen & Jerry Greenfield lecturing it’s customers about implicit bias?

http://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2017/10/implicit-bias

This is the same Ben & Jerry’s that has been been pushing Black Lives Matters, Gay Marriage in Australia, campaigning against Trumps Wall and increasing refugee quotas:

There seems to be just one SJW cause that they don’t support and are even happy to breach international law by doing it as covered by Mondoweiss:

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/time-boycott-jerrys/
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October 29, 2017 11:48am
- Digmen1
  
  Black ice cream matters
  
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  October 29, 2017 11:54am
- Longknives
  
  I didn’t know Ben and Jerrys were ‘BLM’ supporters.
  Wont be taking my kids there again.
  
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  October 29, 2017 12:14pm
KKKKatee

I’m looking forward to the moment when Grant Robertson blows the budget and when Steven Joyce’s predicted $11b ‘hole’ becomes reality.
Oh my – won’t that be fun.
And by the looks of things, Robertson won’t take very long to hit that target…. and more ……
And only officially been Finance Minister since last Thursday…….
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October 29, 2017 12:15pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  They won’t blow the budget. They will just use the Super Fund to pay for their promises.
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:15pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And they will divert the $20 billion earmarked for Defence Force re-equipment. That will be a test of the SAS mechanic.
    
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    October 29, 2017 5:20pm
Manolo

Playing hard ball:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/28/gop-tax-bill-secrecy-244253

Just days ahead of the legislation’s release, GOP members of the House Ways and Means Committee are still in the dark on numerous details being ironed out by the powerful tax-writing committee’s chairman, Kevin Brady (R-Texas), and his staff.
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October 29, 2017 12:49pm
Notsofast

Is anyone here familiar with the Travis Burns case and the fingernail dna evidence Joanne MacCarthy was found to have when she scratched his bare chest?
Foreign fingernail dna is a common feature in murder cases. This could be helpful for the police in their pending pursuit of Christine and Amber Lundys’ killers.
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October 29, 2017 1:55pm
- starboard
  
  Lundys guilty..end of.
  
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  October 29, 2017 4:20pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Really? Not according to the evidence heard in the appeal court last week. The killers are on the run, the police will be instructed to solve the case by Jacinda Ardern and Andrew Little.
    Getting rid of Collins and Adams is a great first step.
    Evidence and crime scenes are helpful in solving cases as is the money trail left by people called *****
    
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    October 29, 2017 4:58pm
    - starboard
      
      Brain on shirt. Husband should never have his wife’s brain matter on his shirt. Guilty.
      
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      October 29, 2017 5:09pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Notsofast:
      
      This opinion piece by Steve Braunias gave me chills the day I read it, and still does:
      
      Christine was killed in bed. Amber lay on the carpet in the doorway. The theory is that she got out of her bedroom to see what was going on, and was killed as she turned to escape. She wore a nightie and little white socks. She was 7 years old, for pity’s sake, and her left hand was curled beside her head.
      
      A mother and a little girl died. Out of respect for them, instead of saying things like “[n]ot according to the evidence heard in the appeal court last week”, how about sitting back and letting the Court of Appeal judges make their decision?
      
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      October 29, 2017 5:28pm
      - Longknives
        
        You really think Conspiracy Theorists/Crim Huggers like Notsofast give a flying fuck about the victims in cases like this??
        Not a Jot. They just want to see the Cops go down…
        
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        October 29, 2017 8:06pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I have faith in this panel. I would remind you four appeals were lost by Arthur Thomas and Teina Pora.
        If the appeal is denied Mark Lundy is still innocent and it will go to the supreme court.
        No amount of respect for Christine and Amber will make Mark their killer.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:48pm
    - Nookin
      
      Was that name [redacted presumably because you know that there in no evidence of his/her involvement and is a theory only) mentioned in court or was is simply a postulation by defence counsel?
      
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      October 29, 2017 8:06pm
      - Notsofast
        
        The redacted name is pivotal in the case. The defence have been a disaster till now. I will give the name to the police at the right time, and they will ignore it. I make nothing up, Philip Morgan is repeating falsified evidence. All except Christine’s blood on the window which was left by the killer leaving where he broke into the house by forcing the catch and opening the ranch slider. Morgan is talking bullshit by suggesting Mark Lundy left that blood. Mark was in Petone.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:45pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I hear that the Warehouse has a special on wheel bearings for bandwagons.
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:05pm
MrLovebucket

Jacinda: “Lets do this”… oh no, you misheard.. what I actually meant was “Lets screw this”
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October 29, 2017 2:07pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Bugger all. Farmers are ‘price takers’ unlike supermarkets who are ‘price setters’.
  
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  October 29, 2017 2:32pm
starboard

FYI

the price of 91 is $1.39 on the Gold Coast today.
Tomorrow, being a Monday, it will be $1.16 again.

LPG is .83c
Diesel $1.29
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October 29, 2017 4:27pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A$1.39 is about NZ$1.57. OZ GST is 10% not 15%. Per litre excise duty is a shitload less than ours.
  What’s your point?
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:09pm
  - starboard
    
    WTF are YOU talking about?
    
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    October 29, 2017 6:49pm
  - starboard
    
    …do your figures on 1.16 per litre. NZ’ers getting royally screwed still by sifty oil companies and government.
    
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    October 29, 2017 7:01pm
Kimbo

Five runs to the Dodgers in the ninth innings to the Astros 1 gives them game 4 of the World Series 6-2. Series now tied at 2-2. Assume it was the Dodger big bats that won them the day, more than their bullpen, tom hunter?
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October 29, 2017 4:37pm
- tom hunter
  
  Meh! Really went the way I’d expect it to when the Dodgers win: their bullpen is stronger than the Astros, which means they score runs from the 7th inning on – and the Astros don’t.
  
  As is often the case I’m not sure how much it was the “big bats” vs the pitcher just not being up to it. Giles looked awful from his first pitch: balls, walks, no K’s, more walks, etc, etc. He was pulled but the loss was applied to him anyhow, deservedly so.
  
  Before that the Dodger batters were held in check by excellent pitching from the Astros starter, but as soon as he gave up a run in the 7th he was gone. His Dodger counterpart had also pitched well until a home run in the 6th and he was out. As is the way of the game niether got the win despite great pitching – but at least they were not each charged with a loss either.
  
  Up to the 9th inning it had been a tough, close game – but man that last inning was ugly for the Astros.
  
  So in a sense this is playing out as expected. Only once in four games has Houston executed the strategy that can win – early runs against the starter and then hanging on to the lead via their bullpen. Their other win came from beating up the Dodger bullpen for five runs, which I doubt we’ll see again – and even then they barely hung on.
  
  I think they’ll win the next game to make it 3-2, but then it’s 2 games back in LA and – as per SPC’s comment the other day – the odds are likely with them given their home success. And of course if they drop tomorrow’s game you’d be almost certain to give it to the Dodgers.
  
  One exception to this – and last year comes to mind – but the Astros were the number one offense this year – and they’ve now seen a lot of those Dodgers pitchers. I see another home run off Jansen today in the 9th, not that it mattered but that’s three off him now in the series. Maybe they’re on the verge of turning it around as the Cubs did against Kluber/Miller in game 7?
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:27pm
- tom hunter
  
  Oh – and humour….
  
  How Dodger fans watch their last World Series
  
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  October 29, 2017 5:30pm
Viking2

We have a mystery.
It could be a problem.
https://www.screencast.com/t/BqMxclwLLx7b

What lies beneath a skirt?
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October 29, 2017 5:42pm
- stigie
  
  “What lies beneath a skirt?”
  
  Depends whether you’re a National supporter or a dirty smelling Green supporter !~
  
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  October 29, 2017 6:13pm
  - nasska
    
    Check the situation out & get back to us stigie.
    
    We’re relying on you. 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2017 7:15pm
    - stigie
      
      Iv’e checked out the situation Nasska, one is nicely groomed and smells delightful and the other is like a Gorilla and smells like a dead Possum on a hot humid night !~
      
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      October 29, 2017 8:33pm
realityczech

The arrogance of this morally repugnant tribal cult is breath taking. Having declared war on NZ (for not supporting their illegal invasion of another country) Israel now demands we round up and expel Persians . This against a background of their constant demands for the US to nuke Iran and commit genocide.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98300391/iran-diplomat-under-fire-for-antiisrael-speech-in-auckland
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October 29, 2017 6:09pm
- srylands
  
  Israel is a shining beacon of democracy in a sea of despots. I suggest you go visit.
  
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  October 29, 2017 7:48pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes it is a great place. The trouble is them stealing land to build it. Not to mention countless war crimes and breaches on international law.
    
    Poland would have been great too if we gave it to Hitler. Especially if we gave Hitler billions and billions and billions of dollars to make it great.
    
    Tell me why Israel is the biggest bludger of US aid if the place is so wonderful ?
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:38pm
    - tom hunter
      
      … if the place is so wonderful ?
      
      If?
      
      If?
      
      I present to you IDF veteran Orin Julie
      
      🙂
      
      Come on folks. You have to know that Kea looks at a photo like that and his heart sinks – all the way down to his wizened old scrotum.
      
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      October 29, 2017 11:16pm
    - srylands
      
      It deserves lots of aid because it’s neighbours are homicidal despots. And it is a shining beacon of democracy. And the people educated and friendly. And the young people are either studying or in the IDF.
      
      I could go on and on.
      
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      October 30, 2017 6:13pm
- Longknives
  
  Go Israel!
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:03pm
rightoverlabour

My quote for today in relation to Winston’s desire for a lower dollar….

Quote: “The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.” Vladimir Lenin.

http://www.azquotes.com/quote/172504
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October 29, 2017 6:23pm
- Jack5
  
  The facts about this alleged quotation by Lenin:
  
  https://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/15/fake-quote-files-v-i-lenin-on-inflation-and-taxation/
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:19pm
  - Brigitte
    
    “The problem with internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy”
    
    – Abraham Lincoln, 1864
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:29pm
    - realityczech
      
      LOL 🙂
      
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      October 29, 2017 8:32pm
Manolo

Beware the All Blacks!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-ascent-of-a-woman-sparks-curse-claims/ar-AAuaJ6t?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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October 29, 2017 6:58pm
Manolo

When will you hear a female NZ politician say something like this?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/margaret-thatcher-role-model-german-far-afd-leader-213624076–business.html

Alice Weidel, a leader of Germany’s far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, said the late British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher is her political role model, saying Thatcher got Britain back on its feet when it was facing economic ruin.
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October 29, 2017 7:02pm
- Longknives
  
  Unlikely to hear it from Ardern- She crowed and bragged for years about allegedly working for Tony Blair then when the heat came on (and a few Hard Lefties accused him of ‘Warcrimes’ etc) she renounced it and threw him under the bus…
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:02pm
  - RF
    
    Funny but she is in reverse gear from working for him to now working in the same building and seeing him once.
    
    One of many porkies that she has uttered and will not be the last one,
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:27pm
nasska

You know you live in an upmarket area when the kids throw quail eggs at your house.
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October 29, 2017 7:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Overbite will ensure all kids have quail eggs to throw at the evil capitalists in their “houses”
  
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  October 29, 2017 7:45pm
  - nasska
    
    Utopia is within reach. 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2017 7:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Guten Abend realityczech!
    
    How about kea eggs?
    
    I thought you’d be off with the EADs to a rally tonight, realityczech.
    
    Your jackboots still at the cobbler’s?
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:20pm
realityczech

✡ Jackie ✡

You are not supposed to be playing on your phone when you are out on patrol. What say some Muslim kids wander onto the land you stole and you miss the chance to gun them down ?
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October 29, 2017 8:30pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a fuckwit!
  
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  October 29, 2017 8:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    That’s a bit harsh Capt ! You can’t have kids wandering around their families olive grove that has been in the family for centuries. That is why gods chosen ones shoot them in the guts.
    
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    October 29, 2017 8:51pm
realityczech

✡ Israeli forces unlawfully killed Palestinian civilians, including children, in both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), and detained thousands of Palestinians from the OPT who opposed Israel’s continuing military occupation, holding hundreds in administrative detention. ✡

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
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October 29, 2017 8:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Get a grip, ~~Kea~~ realityczech.
  
  Give away this Islamic extremist foolishness, or Pyongyang will bury you with your heroes – here’s a warning.
  
  https://youtu.be/F2hsFZOin7Q
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:02pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yeah genocide is fine when the Jew does it. Why do you people hate us so much ?
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      “Hate us?” “Us … us … us” – who are “us”?
      
      Here’s a special goodnight video of their hero for the EADs and ~~Kea~~ realityczech. 😛
      
      https://youtu.be/wAqyWpBo9OU
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        The goy silly. The hated ones you people teach are in a perpetual state of filth.
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Thanks. Here is one for you. Except this one is real.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_cRTc62MQ
        
        Why do you hate the Germans so much. Why so anti Germanic ?
        
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        October 29, 2017 9:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        I don’t hate Germans, ~~Kea~~ realityczech.
        
        The Nazis brought a huge amount of suffering to Germans, as well as to many others. The German death toll in the expulsion from Poland has been put at 400,000. You can put that down to your jackbooted mates, realityczech.
        
        Neo-Nazis – British, German, Russian, New Zealand, anywhere – are a sorry, sick bunch, though. They have learned nothing, so have nothing to forget.
        
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        October 29, 2017 10:00pm
    - flipper
      
      “realityczech
      Yeah genocide is fine when the Jew does it. …..”
      Are you and the Grand Mufti related?
      Were you spawned by him when he was Hitler’s guest?
      You obviously know nothing of history and have now proved that you are one sick son of a bitch.
      
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      October 29, 2017 9:50pm
RF

I am really getting pissed off with fang who keeps claiming that hundreds of thousands of children are poor and in trouble because of their circumstances.

If this BS is true and I doubt it, I trust she will do a John Key and donate her wages to the poor.

FFS
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October 29, 2017 9:25pm
Jack5

Yep, RF, prepare for a publicity blitz of “New Zealand is the worst in the developed world for X”.

In child poverty, there is a certain disconnect when the political claims clash with all the pictures of chubby kids, and the attacks blaming makers of sweets, and soft drinks for making kids obese.

If Auckland kids are starving why are they so chubby?
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October 29, 2017 9:30pm
- realityczech
  
  Child poverty is a nonsense term designed to appeal to emotion. Children do not have money aside from what their parents have. Therefore it is ordinary poverty.
  
  And who gets the handouts… WOMEN.
  
  The whole child poverty scam is yet another feminist ploy to give more to women and undermine traditional families.
  
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  October 29, 2017 9:36pm
  - GoVege
    
    Don’t be silly RC, feminists rarely have more than one or two kids, so they seldom experience poverty.
    It’s immigrant women from chauvinist cultures and Maori women who are having so many kids they end up in poverty.
    You won’t find too many “feminists” among them. 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2017 9:59pm
    - realityczech
      
      Oh and silly me… its men’s fault. Not the meat sacks doing the breeding for cash.
      
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      October 30, 2017 6:41am
      - GoVege
        
        Believe it or not, RC, most women like having their fella around. 🙂
        Unfortunately, non-western guys haven’t had it dinned into them to not hit a woman, and most people don’t like being knocked about, so if it’s a choice, they choose “the state” to support them.
        Then their chauvinist cultures encourage them to have umpteen kids (to prove they are REAL women) which brings in more cash….
        
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        October 30, 2017 2:17pm
- GoVege
  
  They AIN’T starving.
  They’re poor partly because they spend too much money on food.
  Non-western cultures have an obsession with food you won’t believe until you spend a bit of time around them.
  
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  October 29, 2017 10:11pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes I know. I have been in relationships with them. Food food food food all day long.
    
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    October 30, 2017 6:40am
Manolo

The establishment rallies around crooked Hillary:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/trump-demands-republicans-do-something-in-twitter-meltdown/
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October 30, 2017 7:01am
Kimbo

And game 5 of the World Series is tied 12-12 so we are going to extra innings.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-astros/2017/10/29/526515?partnerId=LR_gameday#game_tab=gameday,game_state=live,game=526515
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