General Debate 28 October 2017

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holysheet

Can I just say to all women here on Kb, you all look beautiful. I cannot see your décolletage, but I can assume they are all looking lovely as well.
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October 28, 2017 8:01am
- Gabby
  
  You could make.. hic.. HUNNREDS a dollas a night withat arse wholly.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:02am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Thanks 😉
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Such an uplifting start to the day. Txs
  http://d21c.com/Boca434/Funny/Fat-Lady-Swimsuit.gif
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    holy, a reference to Scott Brown being unfairly judged I’m guessing. Appreciate the sentiment. ?
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:35am
Harriet

With all the smiles and the feels and the gushes it looks like you are shaping up to become a Banana Smoothie Republic. 😎
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October 28, 2017 8:05am
Pongo

Its a thing with Labour, the caring people, and their misguided efforts made because they have no experience of a private sector hands dirty workplace. We have an increase in the minimum wage and a gutting of the 90 day trial period law which the upshot will be that marginal, badly educated young man who lacking interview skills with maybe a conviction or 2 but otherwise just ripe to be given a shot, have someone take a risk perhaps now wont get that opportunity and for what ?
We have near the highest minimum wage in the world, almost every other country has a trial period and most for a lot longer than 90 days so I just dont see the point in why Labour would do this, it serves no purpose and they are about to cancel the tax cut that was aimed at the lowest paid.
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October 28, 2017 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the movie industry is abandoning the individual contracts set up by National to save the Hobbit for NZ and going back to a union collective and they are saying that this won’t have any effect on the amount of movie production done in NZ.
  I call bullshit on that.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:42am
  - Muttonbird
    
    The only thing that matters is the incentive rate.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:23am
  - RF
    
    Labour have allowed the hobbit haters to stuff up our film industry.
    
    Soon the lefty actors aka hobbit haters will be screaming about the lack of work.
    
    Ha bloody ha…..
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:10am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      They already are. Have been for some time RF.
      Silly boy.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:39am
- UpandComer
  
  Lol right now Im on a 12 month probation!
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:48am
- stigie
  
  A now family member of mine was jailed for 12 years for manslaughter when he was a stupid young man, he now has a family and a decent job to go to.
  He applied for this Asphalt job about 4 years ago under the 90 day trial period, the employer who i know gave him a crack to see if he would work out, he has never looked back.
  Under these new regulations this employer would never have taken him on because the discloser of his past would be too much of a risk !~
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:26am
  - SPLOOGE
    
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    ”Under these new regulations this employer would never have taken him on because the discloser of his past would be too much of a risk”
    I call bullshit.
    You can’t just make a broad statement like that and expect to be taken seriously.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:41am
    - flipper
      
      You are the one talking bullshit.
      You are a troll from the Standard….but so obvious that you are really just an ignorant jerk
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:49am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Err no I’m not.
        I’m banned from the standard.
        So as per usual floppy, you’re wrong on all counts.
        Idiot.
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:58am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Are Splooge and Muttonbird the same entity?
        The crap they spout is almost identical.
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:02am
      - stigie
        
        Was thinking the very same Captain..?
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:37am
      - Lance
        
        Splooge has gone beyond a troll and in to the realm of village idiot.
        Just ignore it
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:38am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        And still you struggle where as I laugh at you feeble attempts to score a hit.
        I’m impervious to your attempts to rile so you’ll need to try harder.
        Well at least try anyway.
        Bahahaaaa.
        
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        October 28, 2017 2:53pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Splooge, I call you full of bullshit!
      
      To quote yourself, “You can’t just make a broad statement like that and expect to be taken seriously.”
      
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      October 28, 2017 11:39am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        You can call all you like til the cows come home but you’re still missing the point.
        Now stop making a fool of yourself and cook some eggs.
        
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        October 28, 2017 2:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Splooge is a mansplainer!
        #sexist pig
        
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        October 28, 2017 2:18pm
    - Pongo
      
      why would an employer take the risk but more importantly why take the risk it might happen when the 90 day legislation is opposed by a dozen union delegates and everyone else happily lives with it.
      
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      October 28, 2017 2:16pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree. The 90 day rule allows employers to take a chance on employing someone. Cuttting the 90 day trial we will see more people doing unpaid internships, volunteering or short term contracts to get a chance. Even council advertises for volunteers and interns. Whatever happened to just giving a kid a chance and paying them the minimum wage, how is an unpaid internship fair or better and what do the unions say on this. Council also increasingly outsources their environmental and facilities contracts to volunteer associations for well below what they are worth, thereby avoiding paying minimum wage or any of the union or health and safety malarchy.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:59am
- KKKKatee
  
  So, the minimum wage will go up. It’s been going up on an annual basis anyway, the only difference is that they’ve added another .25c to it for now, that is, rather than the annual .50c increase.
  Does Jacinda Ardern not get that pushing the minimum wage up and up is like a cat chasing it’s tail because to cover the extra costs she’s now put onto business owners, the cost of goods and services will go up. If people are pissed off with the price of butter now, wait until April, if not before, when it goes up even further. Not to mention fruit and veges etc. etc. McDonald’s & KFC even. If Ms Ardern seriously thinks prices those nice business owners will simply absorb the costs and prices will stay the same, then she’s utterly deluded. I’ve no idea what she’s sprinkling on her porridge these days. In others words – she hasn’t a fucking clue! Not to mention there will most likely be some unfortunate Staff member made redundant. Thanks Jacinda, didn’t see that one coming did you.
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:09am
  - KevOB
    
    Jacinda doesn’t believe that employers won’t accept the costs and will keep the staff. It may be she has prior knowledge of union plans for all.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:45pm
  - Pongo
    
    Or you get what happened in Seattle where minimum wage earners actually ended up earning less as their employers cut back their hours to offset the extra cost, they then realized that taking a good hard look meant they could cut over and above the offset amount.
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:19pm
    - suzieq
      
      Or as is happening now at some rest homes, where the big pay rise for staff is seeing some homes close and their staff being laid off.
      
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      October 28, 2017 8:12pm
      - Piniwi
        
        True suzieq but one in Nelson has a simple solution by dividing staff into A) those who do the client care and B) others that only do all other menial tasks at a minimum rate. However having solved one problem they now will face another wage hike.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:21am
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers Pongo yes we see tax going up and wages being pushed up which pull inflation up followed by interest rates. Surely you do not expect to see logic applied? An absent attribute for the left who even have an answer when there is nothing left to spend. Borrow big time as another illustration of the absence of logic.
  
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  October 29, 2017 1:11am
Steve (North Shore)

Day 3. How much of my money is she going to extort and spend today?
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October 28, 2017 8:13am
- Paulus
  
  Its a Levy stupid – not a TAX, (plus GST).
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:17am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Let’s not beat about the bush. It is theft, whatever you wish to call it
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  Your wish has been answered. $800 million on the rail line between Auckland and Winstonville (ex).
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:38am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Thanks. I knew there would be something. What’s in store for tomorrow?
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:49am
    - starboard
      
      Don’t worry, only 35 months to go with the liarbor clusterfuck..unless it implodes prior.
      
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      October 28, 2017 9:35am
      - GazzaW
        
        I was delighted to hear this morning from Kate Hawkesby on ZB how delighted she is that she and multi millionaire husband Mike Hosking will not now have to pay any fees for their son who starts uni next year.
        
        I’m sure that OAPs across the country will feel a lot better now about losing their pension increases next April so that they can contribute to the Hosking family fortune.
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:21am
  - realityczech
    
    The dirty National govt promised the worlds most expensive road to buy votes in Auckland .
    
    [On top of the 11 billion dollar election roading bribe]
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/09/government-to-build-most-expensive-road-in-world.html
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:45am
    - Lance
      
      You must really hate the people that live in that area
      
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      October 28, 2017 11:44am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      $327 million per kilometre is expensive when you see what it will get. It is not a road by World standards, it is a fucking goat track.
      Look, I recently returned from Alaska. Anchorage has 320000 people – and better roads than Auckland.
      The highway from Fairbanks to Seward is better than our State Highway 1.
      We both know why it is costing too much, but if I vent my spleen then certain Companys might spit the dummy. You know who
      
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      October 28, 2017 4:24pm
  - Lance
    
    And to complete the circle if illogical nonsense they cancel the East-West link.
    Fuckwits
    The area east of Onehunga is a traffic blackhole.
    National should erect large billboards stating “the reason you are gridlocked is due to the Labour/WinstonFirst/Green hydra from hell”.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:43am
    - realityczech
      
      Hi Comrade Lance.
      
      You want the worlds most expensive road [built using other peoples money] to save a few minutes driving time for the party faithful.
      
      Clearly socialist Cindy is not nearly far enough left for you.
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:47pm
- VicParking
  
  Just done a rough count up. If the government keeps spending money at their current rate by the end of their first 100 days they will have spent $23 billion.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:54am
Andrei

Is Cankles going to jail?
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October 28, 2017 8:14am
- realityczech
  
  She has taken money from too many rich and powerful people for that to happen. Anti Trumpers and Hillary supporters are vile dishonest people
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:35am
Paulus

I am having difficulty in explaining to my overseas rellies both in the UK and Australia as to why we have a large number of Cabinet Ministers who have not been elected by the public in a constituency.
When I say it is MMP they wonder what this hydra is that a political party can appoint its own like minded sycophants who can become a highly paid party MP and then get to govern the country as a Cabinet Minister, with all the perks involved.
I say that we, as a country, are mad – to which they agree and after over 45 years here I sympathise.
I explain that since the last election the media have taken every opportunity to breakdown our society and they appear to have succeeded in that we have a Prime Minister known overseas as a “Commie Chick”. After 9 years taking our position to one of the best in the world, the time it has taken too clear up the previous socialist mess with Helen Clark, her protegee has succeeded with the media help.
May we live in interesting times.
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October 28, 2017 8:15am
- redeye
  
  The “Commie Chick” on half a million a year.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:18am
  - GazzaW
    
    Maybe she can afford to buy some ready made almond milk now so that wossisname Gayford doesn’t have have a nightly squeeze of his nuts in order to produce the goods.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:28am
- Gabby
  
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  You’re the brains in the family then are you Puller.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:39am
  - Brito
    
    Dear David Farrar, get rid of this mindless piece of poo.
    
    It’s boring!!!!!!
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:30am
    - jims_whare
      
      Pot – Kettle – Black.
      
      or to be PC:
      
      Pot – Kettle – Marginalised Minority
      
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      October 28, 2017 9:37am
      - Brito
        
        I submit opinions and put myself out there mate. This turd just writes shit. Don’t fall into the same trap.
        
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        October 28, 2017 9:53am
    - srylands
      
      It is not boring. It is an affront. And these idiots are multiplying. I enjoy diversity of views. But I can’t abide idiocy.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:18am
      - GazzaW
        
        Certainly high time for a troll cleansing exercise. I have no problem with arguing the point with intelligent lefty commenters but the current crop of trolls are pathetic. Mikey excluded and we seem to have lost ztev.
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:36am
      - trout
        
        ztev is Speaker now so must appear to be impartial
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:41am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Gazza. You’re a whinger.
        You don’t like it? Well tough titties.
        All you do is spew out the same one sided bile.
        You’re boring and predictable
        And no one likes a whinger.
        Get a life, loser.
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:44am
      - realityczech
        
        Now a coalition of the losing party faithful are demanding censorship so they have a Safe-Space. Hilarious 🙂
        
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        October 28, 2017 12:53pm
    - Gabby
      
      Ceci n’est pas une piece de la merde Monsieur Bitcho.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:47am
- MCos
  
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  “I’m having difficulty explaining . . . . ”
  You most certainly are . . .
  
  By the way at least the current PM was personally elected to Parliament, unlike the previous one.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:52am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Both have been list and electorate MPs and so your argument is pretty thin, MCos.Desperate, one might say. I note that the trolling brigade here on KB sense that the fairy dust isn’t going to last long and pretty soon the rails will start falling off the COL government.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:06am
  - mic
    
    Um-no. As some very astute person wrote on another blog, she stood for Labour four times and lost three times until she was pretty much gifted MT. Albert. She was then given the Labour leadership after disastrous polling by Andrew Little. She lost the electoral vote and the popular vote by quite a big margin and became PM simply because the ‘honourable’ Winston chose her.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:27am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Very astute comment. The big question that needs to be answered is why did Poll Pot Peters choose her, the real reason. Not the unintelligible ramblings given as a preamble to his big “reveal”.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:24am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Control, he wasn’t going to get away with as much with National.
        He went with the wall flower who was grateful for the attention.
        
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        October 28, 2017 3:35pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      No one won the popular vote.
      But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:45am
    - mic
      
      Yay, my first downticks. So proud.
      
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      October 28, 2017 3:26pm
  - tf78
    
    MCOS-
    NOT BY ME!
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:27am
  - niggly
    
    Just as well David Shearer resigned then because if he hadn’t and remained the MP for Mt Albert, Jacinda as PM wouldn’t have been personally elected to Parliament either, just like the previous one! Phew 😉
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:32am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Technically, Jacinda Ardern wasn’t elected to the position of PM by virtue of Labour winning the election on election night. She conceded defeat in the most dreary manner. She knew Labour weren’t going to win. But along comes loser, shonky Winston Peters who has put her in that position. The voters of this country did not vote for her for PM. She is not the people’s PM. Internationally has now got the mantle of “Commie Chick”. That will never go away.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:16am
    - MCos
      
      You do realise that National sidled up to the self same “loser, shonky Winston Peters” in a vain attempt to cling to power? In so doing they were willing to throw overboard the only true friend they had left in parliament.
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:01pm
    - Gabby
      
      In honkingkong the local Party boss just announces new dear leader kkkakkkitteee. I must have missed Comrade Jian’s thoughts on the matter.
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:55pm
    - RF
      
      KKKKatee
      
      So true.
      
      I have friends in the States who now know her as the commie chic..
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Only after she was gifted Helen Clark’s electorate – prior to that she was soundly beaten in Auckland Central three times.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:27pm
    - doggone7
      
      Soundly beaten in Auckland Central? By 717 one time and 600 the other. Not a very noisy sound.
      
      Three times? When?
      
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      October 28, 2017 9:49pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Yep. Down vote the truth.
        It’s like the right struggles with facts.
        
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        October 29, 2017 1:11am
- Rachael Membery
  
  May the times not be too interesting.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:42am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It is indeed very strange Paulus. One thing I always liked about Key was that he stood in an electorate all the time he was in Parliament. Grudgingly I have to extend the same respect to Jacinda.
  
  I just think a Cabinet minister, let alone a PM, who is so disinterested/removed from the electorate process is always going to be a poor leader. This was another one of the legion of shortcomings in “Two-time” Bill’s leadership. Same with Joyce – only ever been a list MP.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:52am
  - suzieq
    
    “Uninterested” …
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:17pm
- realityczech
  
  “I am having difficulty in explaining to my overseas rellies”
  
  Yes because you do not understand MMP or respect the fact the people voted for MMP.
  
  I suspect your maths is also poor. 44% is not a majority of 100%
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It’s a bloody sight closer than 37% or 7% or 6%.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:05am
  - marcw
    
    Although strangely it is the majority of 44%, 36%, 7%, and 6%. Potato potato,tomato tomatoe.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:05am
    - SGA
      
      meh – you can fudge it that the first half of definition “1.” below, replaces the definition “2.”, but it all seems a bit hollow given the context…
      majority
      noun, plural majorities.
      1. the greater part or number; the number larger than half the total (opposed to minority ):
      the majority of the population.
      2. a number of voters or votes, jurors, or others in agreement, constituting more than half of the total number.
      From Dictionary.com
      
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      October 28, 2017 11:33am
      - realityczech
        
        It’s simple dick breath. Under MMP you need over 50%. A majority.
        
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        October 28, 2017 8:21pm
  - KevOB
    
    The majority will show up in the select committees. There the allocation formula rules.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:50pm
- flipper
  
  Yes Paulus.
  My rellies and friends in Aus., UK and USA think we are nuts to have MMP for a nation of less than 4.8 million.
  
  BTW …… has anyone counted the number of “ministers” in the Peters /Ardern regime who have actually had a job in the real world. Seem to be all political functionaries, uni0on thugs and academics. No?
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:04am
  - realityczech
    
    We don’t care what they think. We voted for MMP.
    
    Piss off. You don’t belong here loser.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    Do your rellies not know how the Ocky senate is elected frigger. I guess they opt out of State elections too, the goodfornothings.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:17pm
  - doggone7
    
    What the hell is the real world???????????
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:50pm
Manolo

Clinton’s corruption runs very deep:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coming-russia-bombshells-1509059214

The confirmation this week that Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid an opposition-research firm for a “dossier” on Donald Trump is bombshell news. More bombshells are to come.

The Fusion GPS saga isn’t over. The Clinton-DNC funding is but a first glimpse into the shady election doings concealed within that oppo-research firm’s walls. We now know where Fusion got some of its cash, but the next question is how the firm used it. With whom did it work beyond former British spy Christopher Steele ? Whom did it pay? Who else was paying it?
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October 28, 2017 8:23am
- Gabby
  
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  Helluva bombshell there manuro. Unprecedented. Coulda done a Chump and just made shit up.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:42am
  - softail 1450
    
    grubby ,did you piss the bed again grubby?
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:46am
    - Gabby
      
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      softcock ,did you miss the sp acekey and fall on your fat girly arse again softc ock ?
      
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      October 28, 2017 8:50am
      - softail 1450
        
        grubby ,get away and clean yourself up grubby.
        
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        October 28, 2017 9:34am
      - Gabby
        
        Sof tcock, untangle your tits from the chain and pull the banana seat out of your capacious hole ,s oftcock.
        
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        October 28, 2017 10:50am
- realityczech
  
  Selling Uranium to the Russians for bribes is okay when Hillary does it. That is how anti Trumpers think.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:43am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Once again, after all the one-eyed TDS posts, why is our esteemed host not expressing similar discontent about the lying, despotic Hillary as when quoting lies from CNN about Trump?
  
  Looking back now on how desperately dodgy we now know Comey to have been, this post looks poorly judged.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:55am
  - Andrei
    
    The dam is about to break – not only are their civil institutions filled with corruption but Hollywood is filled with sleaze and pedophilia
    
    And blaming Russia for all these American pathologies is just not going to wash
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:06am
    - realityczech
      
      Opposing pedophilia is anti Semitic here on KB.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:34am
      - realityczech
        
        The pedo zionists are busy this morning.
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:06am
      - Lance
        
        You are a sick fuck sometimes
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:58am
      - niggly
        
        Sorry Lance, missed the target and accidentally downticked you (so cancel one downtick and imagine one more uptick)!
        
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        October 28, 2017 4:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Look at those untermensch defending their hollywood pedophile rings. Not a bad word to say about child rape, just shooting the messenger.
        
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        October 28, 2017 5:49pm
- Ross12
  
  It’s becoming clearer now. The original “dossier” research by Fusion GPS was funded by the Washington Free Beacon. At the time they were backing Rubio and they were doing so called opposition research on all primary candidates, not just Trump. They also say they were not doing any Russian related research. That all started when the DNC picked it up and employed Steele.
  
  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/breaking-washington-free-beacon-funded-original-fusion-gps-anti-trump-oppo-research/
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:52pm
Nukuleka

Here in Christchurch front page article in The Press about the concerns parents at a private primary school have over the introduction of the Modern Learning Environment with its brave new emphasis on ‘student directed learning’ (code for the notion that kids teach themselves, I think). This follows on from recent articles in The Press about the shambles of the Modern Learning Environment in Christchurch’s newest purpose built school, Haeata, in Aranui.

The lunatics continue to take over the asylum in education, and all of this having been going under the watch of a National government, hijacked by progressive academics intent on pushing their own liberal touchy feely ideologies.
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October 28, 2017 8:29am
- Disaster Area
  
  I agree – but you have to look at who is pushing these designs. My understanding is that these types of design are pretty much the only thing that the Ministry will agree to fund. There’s no evidence that they work, in fact quite the opposite.
  
  FWIW, all the teachers I know hate the idea and just want a ‘normal’ classroom. Don’t get me started on ’21st Century learning’!
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:38am
  - Gabby
    
    Learnings, you neophyte. Learning is so passe. Be mindfuller.
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:44am
  - KevOB
    
    I’m not sure what the “learning environment’ is at my near 11yr old’s school. He has spent 2 or 3 terms with Pokemon as his base speciality creating new cards. This term it’s nerf guns.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:12pm
- Harriet
  
  “….. ‘student directed learning’ (code for the notion that kids teach themselves, I think)…..”
  
  A neighbour I had here in Aussie had worked in both the public and private schools……I suggested that private school kids and good kids in public schools largely teach themselves…….she agreed.
  And a sibling of mine had worked rather high up in the NZ education dept and once told me that nearly all of the work they do is about getting higher standards for the less educated in the schools…….there work is not about getting higher standards for ALL students.
  In other words most kids [can] do well in school if they have good parents and less so if they don’t.
  
  Catholic and Lutheran primary schools in Aus cost around $700 a term……..about $50 pw over a 52wk year…….an affordable investment when most people only have 1 to 2 kids – $5k is not a lot of money with 2 working parents.
  School vouchers is the way to go with education and WFF would be better spent on education vouchers for those with more kids………..In the US it is said that education is the new civil rights —– I agree.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:00am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “there work” I’m sorry, I wouldn’t normally say this, but you’re writing about education?
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:21am
  - Kimbo
    
    I suggested that private school kids and good kids in public schools largely teach themselves…….she agreed.
    
    Yep. Some 80% of the time and resources of primary and secondary education is expended on…crowd control! 😉
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:39am
  - doggone7
    
    If private school kids largely teach themselves why don’t those schools get of the teachers and make heaps of money?
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:52pm
Pongo

I would like to see a few more articles on how fabulous and awesome Jacinda and her new government are. I see all the column inches are full but perhaps some advertising space could be used instead of being wasted flogging flat screen TVs, albeit ones that we can watch flattering TV stories of her on.
What a great time to be alive.
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October 28, 2017 8:29am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Poverty has been eliminated from NZ as of today.
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October 28, 2017 8:33am
- Digmen1
  
  I’d like some stats on the children in poverdy.
  Who are they?
  Where are they?
  Why are they in poverdy
  What do they need?
  
  And then we can compare Jacinda’s results in 2 years!
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I can answer that, going back to Comrade Taxinda’s interview on the topic:
    
    Who are they? Hundreds of thousands: so that would have to be most NZ children.
    Where are they? Everywhere, since there are so many.
    Why are they in poverdy? Because of evil capitalism.
    What do they need? They don’t have enough to *survive*, Comrade Taxinda informed us.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:25am
calendar girl

The NZ Herald’s prodigy ‘opinion’ columnist, Lizzie Marvelly, turns her penetrating pen today against an easy target, Donald Trump: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11936919 . She’s entitled to her personal and political views, of course, regardless of their originality or otherwise. But must we (and the Herald?) continue to accept the stream of clichés that appear to characterise her writing style? Some examples from today’s offering:

• tragic circumstances
• grieving widow
• beggars belief
• race to the bottom
• depths of hell
• demeaned the office
• outlandish behaviour
• “brilliant” strategy
• anti-establishment
• false sense of security
• namby-pamby
• agonises over his words
• self-fulfilling cycle
• shred of human decency
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October 28, 2017 8:35am
- Digmen1
  
  Trump is not namby pampy – she is.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:41am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Totally agree CG.
  I look forward to Miss Marvelly turning her capacious intellect and incisive wit on the object of her socialist adoration, Hillary Clinton, over the stench of corruption currently surrounding her and her ‘cop-a-feely’ husband.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:42am
- VicParking
  
  You must have a cast iron gut to read her crap. I gag just in the headline which is as far as I get.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Who is this Liz Marvellous?
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:01am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Who cares?
    Edit. Some shithead who can’t sing I think
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:08am
    - Paulus
      
      I thought Marvelly was a member of the Howard Morrison whanau, so of course she can sing.
      
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      October 28, 2017 1:32pm
- tom hunter
  
  And I hate to tell you this, but you just reinforced all that shit by reading it and linking to it.
  
  The NZ Herald says thank you for the clicks and eyeballs.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    The Herald sits in piles at the local supermarket, unsold.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:52am
    - GazzaW
      
      …….and in unsolicited bundles of forty left by the entrance to our office building for workers to help themselves. Anything goes to keep the ‘circulation’ stats up there to impress the advertisers.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:46am
- Liberty
  
  Trump apologist enjoy
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDYhQ4UAnA
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:50am
  - geoff3012
    
    Oops missed down tick….but anyway you’re a fuckwitted snowflake
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:01am
    - Liberty
      
      Just because I consider Trump a total fuckwit. Don’t assume I’m in the lefty camp.
      Because you would be wrong.
      If you had taken notice of the news lately. You will have noticed Trump no longer
      has total loyalty within his own party. That faction is rapidly growing.
      Democracy has it failing. America has Trump. New Zealand has Peters.
      Fortunately both will soon be gone as the likely hood of them lasting their terms out is slim.
      
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      October 28, 2017 4:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  How in heaven’s name does a spoilt, privileged brat, of part maori extraction, who has a vaguely listenable singing voice suddenly become a “journalist” with a worthy opinion on everything? Man, the Herald is scraping the bottom of the barrel. So pleased I stopped subscribing a couple of years ago.
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:04pm
Digmen1

We already have one of the highest minimum wages in the world!

Our problem is our high costs. Groceries, Petrol, Consumer Goods are all expensive. And we also have too many highly paid CEO’s and council staff!

Reduce those and we will all have more money
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October 28, 2017 8:40am
- Gabby
  
  Well do you want the best most internationally sought after management that recruiters can milk for fees or not.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  And, as per the failing newspaper this morning, money spent ($45m) at Auckland Council’s bullshit department staff who don’t add any value to anything.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:50am
  - sooty
    
    I like the new dept name
    ” Auckland Council Bullshit Deptment ”
    That’s it to a Tee. Trouble is they are all paid a fourtune. Need to sack half of them. I can see the new goverment follwing in their foot steps. How many new public servants will be added this term.
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Did I hear this morning that Auckland Council has something like 200 spin doctors on an average of about $190,000 per year?
  What the fuck do they do and when is Goofy going to get rid of about 90% of them?
  Probably on the same day that he kicks Penny out of her hovel.
  
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  October 28, 2017 8:57am
- Ross12
  
  Digmen1
  My brother in law has been living and working overseas for the last 12 years. He says over that time NZ has got incredibly more expensive.
  We just do not see it as it slowly creeps up week by week.
  I can still remember when I first went to the UK 30 yrs ago and thought we were lucky to have a relatively cheap cost of living compared to the UK.
  Talk to UK visitors to NZ now and they’ll tell you it has definitely reversed.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    Schweppes in Oz is around $1 a bottle, here it sits around $2.50 on special..why?
    
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    October 28, 2017 9:55am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Hidden sugar tax?
      
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      October 28, 2017 11:34am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, I know we are a high cost country.
    I work with people from the UK and Europe and America.
    They all say the same, everything here is expensive, except cars.
    
    Which is why is get REALLY annoyed when people keep saying we are a low waged economy.
    
    Compared to Australia (yes) but not the rest of the world.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:12am
    - srylands
      
      And the reason cars are cheap is that we had the good sense to put in place policy settings that made that possible. Families can by a good, safe car for $10,000.
      
      There is a risk that in trying to reduce greenhouse emissions, that the Government will go after cars. The most obvious way to do that is to mandate higher fuel efficiency, and getting older cars off the road. Which of course would drive up the average cost of cars.
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:34am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And make the roads a bloody sight safer.
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:07am
      - Viking2
        
        Captain Mainwaring
        
        And make the roads a bloody sight safer.
        
        Really? How?
        More deaths in the last couple of years than previous. More injuries from cars collapsing and catching fie.
        
        Warned this would happen 3 years ago. These cars are not safe despite the foolish ratings.
        
        Many are not better than a bike with a wrap and are mobile death traps. Fine in a collision with another its size at 30kph but death traps at 100 k against another bigger car or 50 tonnes of truck.
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:25am
      - Paulus
        
        With new Auckland Petrol Levy (plus gst) the most people who will be affected are those from South Auckland who tend to drive poorly maintained as a consequence very high fuel users, so the Minimum wage increase will not cover their additional fuel costs anyway.
        Even going to Winz will cost them more.
        
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        October 28, 2017 1:38pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes it is extraordinary. I remember living in the UK in the 1990s and the costs compared to home were eye watering. Not any more.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:27am
    - fernglas
      
      It depended on the item. Groceries were cheaper or comparable, as was clothing. But the cost of a pint!
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:37am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And as the dollar heads towards its illustrious low of sub 40c, (during the previous Reign of Terror) everything is going to go up, including the associated unemployment, bankruptcy, with its accompanying depression, suicides, and general feelings of despair. The COL will literally have blood on their hands by the time common sense prevails and they get turfed out on their arses. There is nothing positive about this distasteful change of government. Fuck you, Winston “Poll Pot Peters” and your circle jerk of miscreants.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:40am
    - realityczech
      
      “Poll Pot Peters”
      
      Confronted with the democratic expression of the people this clown references communism !
      
      Are you suggesting the election result should be ignored dickhead ?
      
      Or just the election result that gave us MMP ?
      
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      October 28, 2017 10:53am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Winstons “choice” was hardly the democratic expression of the people. At best it was his caucus, at worst his decision alone. And I suppose Jacinda’s “comrade” reference has nothing to do with communism? If a new election was held today, I would suggest a very different result. I don’t think anyone who voted for MMP thought it could produce a result like the one we have today. And I have not insulted you either.
        
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        October 28, 2017 11:47am
      - realityczech
        
        The current govt represents more voters than National. Live with it. Or not. No body cares about you and your tantrums.
        
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        October 28, 2017 12:43pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Maybe, or maybe not. Possibly up to 50 % of NZ1st voters may have wanted Winston to go with National. We don’t know, though I suspect we will eventually get an idea. So 44.4% plus 3.6% = 48.%. vs 36.9% + 6.3% +3.6% = 46.8%.
        
        For this to be the legitimate will of the people less than 36.2 % of Winston supporters would have had to be pro National.
        
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        October 28, 2017 1:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        Good point. But the bottom line is we voted for the system that can deliver these outcomes – MMP.
        
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        October 28, 2017 8:30pm
  - suzieq
    
    It has a bit to do with the value of other countries’ currency, too, of course …
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:23pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Highest minimum wage in NZ?
  No we don’t.
  People that make it up on the go are called liars and delusional.
  And this place is full of them.
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:49am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Indeed splodge
    Some on here talk so much shit their arses are redundant
    
    https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=RMW
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:09am
    - Brito
      
      The numbers don’t lie.
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:38pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Correct. And New Zealand doesn’t have the highest minimum wage. Australia does.
        We’re down the list somewhat.
        
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        October 28, 2017 2:16pm
    - Brito
      
      SPLOOGE, I was referring to the numbers on the OECD chart. I’m on your side with this one – unbelievably.
      
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      October 28, 2017 3:26pm
flipper

Since it is a GD, some bad, bad news for all the Trump haters (including the heretical so called priest in Apia):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016619/PIERS-MORGAN-Scream-snowflakes-Trump-win-again.html
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October 28, 2017 8:52am
- Inandout
  
  Piers is mainly on target, but he does have some weird ideas on his lovable Islam.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:05am
softail 1450

goff is back from his holiday and “cant wait for jacinda to change the laws so regional taxes can be charged” get ready for a goff reaming people, doesnt matter if you are left or right leaning you are going to be equally pillaged….
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October 28, 2017 8:55am
- tf78
  
  Judging by this morning’s $245m blow out on communications staff, petrol tax might have to be 20c/litre.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:34am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Hordes leave Auckland, go to the Provinces.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:56am
  - RalphT
    
    There’ll be no safety there; the authorities will follow them and simply impose a petrol tax in all the regions. In this case the council will say that they need to build new roads to cater for all the economic refugees fleeing Auckland. We can run but we can’t hide from the taxman
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:33pm
- GazzaW
  
  And there’s a lot more cleansing that could be done at Auckland City. Nothing will result from Goff’s window dressing exercise – the entire corrupt organisation and its CCOs need a total independent audit from top to bottom and the results acted upon. That won’t happen now that Goff’s mates are in power.
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:55am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone reading this think as I did? Why did these women not have a personal locator beacon on their yacht?

From bad to worse: Incredible tale of how two women survived being lost at sea

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11937674
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October 28, 2017 9:43am
- srylands
  
  Yes that is exactly what I thought. And a satellite phone.
  
  People are generally poor at thinking about risk. Example.. I am going to India next week. Doctor pressed me to get vaccinated for Japanese Encephalitis. Cost of vaccination $500. Probability of getting it one in one million. No thanks.
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:42am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Enjoy your trip and don’t drink the water. ?
    Good luck!
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:27pm
- Gabby
  
  Not to mention the dogs who apparently lived off pasta and oatmeal for five months.
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:54am
  - GoVege
    
    Definitely!
    If carnivores like doggies can go vegan for 5 months….so can humans.
    ‘Course doggy people do tend to be rather keen to please…
    
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    October 28, 2017 4:01pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I wonder how hungry they would have had to get before they ate the dogs.
      
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      October 28, 2017 4:11pm
      - GoVege
        
        Fortunately the family were well provisioned, Chuck.
        Otherwise, so long as the women were of mostly English ancestry, the dogs would have been safe. 🙂
        
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        October 28, 2017 4:29pm
- Gruffydd
  
  To obtain Category one required for a NZ vessels to clear customs requires both a hfssb radio and a locator beacon.
  A sat phone is expensive to both buy and use.
  
  The story does not add up.
  I find it strange they did not get close enough to another vessel to contact them on VHF channel 16.
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:22am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am pretty sure the locator beacon is in the raft that deploys if the yacht sinks. But I know a locator beacon is required. There are less than $500 NZ.
    
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    October 28, 2017 4:09pm
Doubledimp

Given that more builders are required, will Labour lower the standard for qualifying and try and streamline the process? Add in the legalisation of weed, and I predict in 5 years a workmanship crisis that makes leaky homes look like a dog kennel.
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October 28, 2017 9:47am
UpandComer

Just a thought. If sees is legalised, does that mean it will become legal to drive, turn up at work, operate heavy machinery whilst high?
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October 28, 2017 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  Legalising it will bring more idiots into its dubious charms.
  
  Mental health issues will rocket.Gangs will still profit by selling it to minors and/or on the tax free black market.Families , employers and schools who already see the negatives will see even more.
  
  Also , how is it that the anti tobacco /alcohol mob who are so vociferously noisy about all the ills these supposedly bring are so quiet about what will be yet another ill being normalised?
  
  I am surprised that the so called social conservative Peters would give this to the ideologically driven left as part of his thirst for power.
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:21am
  - realityczech
    
    Katie it is like gay marriage. It is not compulsory to do it. Don’t want to make the same mistake twice now do we ? 🙂
    
    Everyone who wants to use weed is already doing it.
    
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    October 28, 2017 10:58am
    - kowtow
      
      Thanks for that gem , Kea.
      
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      October 28, 2017 11:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Big business? Corporates? Capitalism?
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:03am
- marcw
  
  It will guarantee a whole generation of Maori youth will be wasted – literally and factually.
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:18am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, and I also worry about the cost to the rest of us, who get on with our lives, work hard and pay taxes, and don’t live in the past.
    And who will have to feed and cloth these offspring and put up with their crime, sufffer from their crime and then pay for them to be in jail and breed more of them.
    
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    October 28, 2017 11:32am
    - GoVege
      
      There’s only one good thing about jail IMHO for non-dangerous persons….they usually can’t breed while they’re locked up.
      Probably the only form of contraception some people use… 🙂
      
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      October 28, 2017 4:33pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Costs Digmen1? It starts long before but from weed no less. Apparently it is claimed weed increases fertility so we can see a flood of mothers rushing to grab the new Baby Bonus that is on the way. In fact they can get “on the way” today to grab it faster.
      Winner again is the Fool Factor (unintended consequences) which will prove to be the cornerstone of the Toxic Trio. That is cornerstone AKA stumbling block.
      
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      October 29, 2017 1:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Already have and they have childern who are living in families where nobody has ever worked for a living
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      The reason for that Vic, is the tried and true method that some very religious (or ignorant) cultures use in order to raise huge numbers of children to overpopulate the world.
      Make the older kids raise the younger ones!
      You just sit back and watch the money roll in.
      The downside is the kids miss their education while baby raising, end up illiterate and on the dole or worse.
      But fortunately the generous taxpayers are happy to pay for the support (and incarceration) of the victims of this form of child raising. 🙂
      
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      October 28, 2017 4:39pm
- Antoine
  
  I think the idea is to decriminalise possession rather than actually legalising weed? As in Portugal??
  
  A.
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:30am
thedavincimode

Another 1,000 babies dead from poverty overnight. Come on porcelain chops, write out some cheques and get it sorted out by Monday.
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October 28, 2017 9:56am
Ross12

I see all the experts in the MSM are presenting their reasons for Bill English to go. That tells me they are scared Bill will help upset the apple cart for “their” appointed Government. –ie. they are scared he will be too effective.
I’m sure they have a right to be scared.
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October 28, 2017 9:59am
- sooty
  
  At the end of the day it’s just their opinion dressed up as news. ( just flapping their gums)
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:51pm
- Piniwi
  
  True Ross12 and WO is leading the pack with a poll designed to fail by not even including Bill English. However the majority who rejected their previous full on promotion of the left give only acknowledgement for bringing us “this”. As well as again rejecting their latest crusade against a proven performance leader.
  Bill on the other hand is standing strong after a great campaign where he gained so much from real voter contact. Likewise he will simply shed the feeble Media party trouble making of their perceived or fake news. He more than us is biding his time until the Toxic Trio starts to crumble from the early cracks. They start out with serious compatibility issues so the Media party have to rush to provide a smoke screen. Tick tock.
  
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  October 29, 2017 2:17am
Harriet

“……..In the UK we just had this insanity. Consider the headline, “It’s not women who get pregnant — it’s ‘people’”.

The piece begins:
The government has said the term “pregnant woman” should not be used in a UN treaty because it “excludes” transgender people. Feminists reacted with outrage to what they said was the latest example of “making women unmentionable” in the name of transgender equality…..”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-not-women-who-get-pregnant-its-people-w3mmzbgwh

Trans people are all nuts, or maybe they aren’t. 😎
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October 28, 2017 10:13am
- kowtow
  
  Stephen Franks touches on that in this excellent post.
  
  http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/common-sense-we-may-not-see-in-new-zealand-for-long-three-years/
  
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  October 28, 2017 10:23am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  It’s astonishing isn’t it? You’d have to laugh or you’d cry. The current sociocultural environment makes the Dark Ages look like sunshine in the Sahara.
  
  In a time of the most extensive information being universally available to pretty much everyone, the British Medical Association is disavowing all knowledge of where babies come from and how they’re born and insisting that the public must be indoctrinated similarly.
  
  Likewise, there’s endless vituperation about how Christians could believe in God, on the basis there’s no proof of His existence, but faced with incontrovertible proof that two women have given birth, the BMA, MSM, and liberalists declare them ‘men’ and deny all women the right to call themselves ‘women’ or ‘mothers’ because it might offend the two. In the meantime, they’re teaching all children that men can give birth.
  
  There’s really not much you can say, beyond that the lunatics have complete control of the asylum and is any good prospect possible for a world in which those in power have lost any and all ability to discern truth from fiction and are adamantly committed to basing all policy and action on the latter – in the face of an increasingly incredulous public?
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:19pm
  - KevOB
    
    This scenario is quite reminiscent of the Biblical description of the end times. God as revealed in His Son Jesus Christ still reigns.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:22pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      God as revealed in His Son Jesus Christ still reigns.
      
      Not over me.
      
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      October 28, 2017 1:27pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    @ Anne Glen Eden
    
    There’s really not much you can say, beyond that the lunatics have complete control of the asylum
    
    I think we are going through a period of social change and transformation. In such times things can look insane, but in time things settle down to the new normal. And in times of great change extremists on all sides can say daft things. Some transgender people, particularly those who are political activists, have become intolerant and fundamentalists in their cause. They are not representative of all transgender people, or all LBGQT people. On the other side we have the Brian Tamaki’s of the world. And they are not representative of all Christians.
    
    If we view the world solely through the lens of the extremists, things will look worse than they really are. In the same way, if we view political issues solely through the extremes of right vs left, capitalist vs socialist, or conservative vs liberal, our view of reality is distorted.
    
    Truth lies betwixt the horns.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:41pm
Tokyo_Joe

Hot off the press from XYZ – Australia’s much-needed alternative to ‘their ABC’ – a refreshingly different assessment of Jacinda Ardern, and more besides. I’m betting you won’t see this published on Stuff…

https://www.xyz.net.au/love-self-not-hatred-others/
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October 28, 2017 10:31am
slightlyrighty

We should look to the staffing of government institutions. It has been my observation that under a left leaning government, having the right person for the job is less important than having the “correct” person for the job.
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October 28, 2017 10:32am
SPLOOGE

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I noted this morning after awakening from my slumber that against all expectations from the loony right that the sky still hadn’t fallen in.
Maybe there’s hope after all and the change of government might just work out.
I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.
All this pointless gnashing of teeth and predictions of gloom serve to pain only the bitter losers……Yes you lot on the right…the losers, the bitter and entitled losers…….Bahahaaaaaa….I’m so happy I could shit blue.
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October 28, 2017 10:54am
- Digmen1
  
  I am not bitter.
  I am just really disappointed that all the hard work National did for the last 9 years, is going to be swept away in the next 9 weeks.
  
  And I’m disappointed where we went from Labour being at 23 in the polls to 33 all in a few weeks due to one flakely socialist who said fluffy things.
  
  And thanks NZF.
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:37am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And the msm.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:23pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    It would be amazing if they could undo the increased child poverty, homelessness and the massive dept National ran up in 9 years Digger, but even though they will be working hard for New Zealanders and not so much for themselves I feel that will not be possible. They’re good but not miracle workers.
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:21pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘They’re good’
      – snigger. Talk about deluded. I reckon you’ll be eating those words soon.
      
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      October 28, 2017 2:29pm
- stigie
  
  No wonder you were banned at the Stranded SPLOOGE, but it’s ok, you won’t get banned here !~
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:43am
  - lifesgood
    
    We can only hope.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:10pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    I wouldn’t be so sure…It’s happened before.
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:29pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ SPLOOGE
  
  Speaking in this arrogant and abusive way to people you disagree with helps the new government how? Is it likely to increase their support? Or engender positive feelings in people to the new government? Or is it more likely to harden their opposition? If everyone in New Zealand talked to those with different political views in this way, would our country be a better place to live?
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:46pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Don’t lecture me son.
    If I wanted an arseholes opinion I’d take a crap.
    Some of the most vitriolic bile I’ve seen has come out of these pages.
    The hypocrisy here is incredulous.
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The hypocrisy here is incredulous.
      
      https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/incredulous
      
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      October 28, 2017 2:40pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      You lecture other people, so it’s hypocrisy to insist that you be left alone. If you see vitriolic bile then ignore it, or respond differently. Adding to it means you are no different to the people spouting it. Your’e behaving like a child. Is that how you want people to see you?
      
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      October 28, 2017 2:40pm
    - suzieq
      
      Punctuation, anyone? Grammar? Give me strength.
      
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      October 28, 2017 8:34pm
- starboard
  
  Fangface and the poof cant really do too much damage in the 18 months they will be in power.
  Bill and the Nats will romp in when Fangy’s coalition of the doomed shits itself. Never to be seen again, Ardern and co.
  
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  October 28, 2017 1:04pm
  - RalphT
    
    I disagree. Sadly, I think they could do a lot of damage in 18 months, damage that could take years to fix.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:42pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Agree in part starboard but the little fat poofter has it covered. They are going to borrow big time and as we know it has to be from day one. His reasoning is that it is what National did to get the country out of the GFC.
    Naturally he omitted the fact that it was the sorry state of NZ after Labour that had us broke even before the GFC occurred. They on the other hand start out with a self inflicted deficit of $11.7 billion after blowing a surplus.
    He has absolutely no idea how stupid he is or the consequences of what is ahead on the chosen path. Laughably the trolls think it is something else that prompts real comments here but most have seen it all before. Any fear we might hold is more about how deep the pending hole will be and how long the recovery and clean up will take. Old Winston First knows especially after long talks with them about budgets and even warned of hard times ahead. No easy out for him though as he facilitated this Toxic Trio and will be rinsed away like the rest.
    
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    October 29, 2017 2:44am
- KevOB
  
  Peeing blue–that is a serious disease.
  
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  October 28, 2017 1:24pm
Manolo

Send him to jail!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/871993/Catalonia-independence-Madrid-direct-rule-Brussels-crisis-Puigdemont

Spain’s parliament has authorised Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy to rule Catalonia from Madrid as the leader of the region Carles Puigdemont faces 30 years in jail charged with “rebellion’.
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October 28, 2017 11:36am
- Digmen1
  
  It will be very interesting to see what happens if they ask the police to arrest him.
  Which police?
  The Catalonian police or the Spanish police?
  
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  October 28, 2017 11:39am
  - fernglas
    
    The way the Catalan police feel, they might just interfere to stop any arrest.
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:21pm
marcw

On YourTV (a UK FreeView channel) last night I watched a dramatisation of a family murder by Jeremy Bamber in 1985. All throughout I kept seeing a mirror of another mass family murder (in)famous in NZ, and was stunned at the number of similarities.
– only one survivor who was eventually found guilty (one difference to NZ)
– a defence claim the actual murderer had committed suicide in the attack
– a botched police investigation
– a crusading outsider who writes a book and appeals for retrials
– contradictory evidence
– a family fortune goes to extended family after the conviction

The difference to our case is that Bamber is still in jail, never to be released (whole of life sentence).

Summary: http://www.murderuk.com/mass_jeremy_bamber.html

And Bains (sorry Bamber’s) supporters link:
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

Both very disturbing cases of human evil, and how justice and the law is often not absolute.
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October 28, 2017 11:54am
Evadne

If you need anything more to prove we have reached peak absurdity with this government, we have this news in Stuff this morning:

“Rugby pay equity on agenda
11:26 AM The Black Ferns don’t get paid the same as the ABs, and the new Government isn’t happy.”

Because it’s gender inequality, sexism and wrong that a woman’s team don’t get paid the same as ABs?

Or maybe it’s because one team is amongst the greatest sporting brands in the world and the most successful team in any sport, and able to fill huge stadiums, attract mega sponsors and TV contracts…and one isn’t?
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October 28, 2017 12:07pm
- nasska
  
  With the possible exception of jelly wrestling I can’t think of one women’s sport that you wouldn’t have to pay me to watch.
  
  It’s slow, it’s boring, it’s slow & the skill level is abysmal. And it’s slow!
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:19pm
  - stigie
    
    Yeah, but it’s not in the same league as the American Cheerleaders competition Nasska ole chap..?
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:30pm
    - nasska
      
      Not when I’m having lunch stigie. The thought of the ground shaking while obese NZ cheerleaders went through their thunderthighs routine before the ritual haka would kill the best of appetites. 🙂
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:36pm
  - Inandout
    
    Even 5 months at sea in a leaky boat, with a dog, you wouldn’t pay to watch that sport?
    
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    October 28, 2017 12:34pm
    - nasska
      
      Nope. 🙂
      
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      October 28, 2017 12:37pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I have found a woman’s sport you would watch for free nasska
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfkKjATCu4E
        
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        October 28, 2017 1:01pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska doesn’t do plus size womens sports, but a solid effort Griff !~
        
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        October 28, 2017 1:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Griff is clearly a chubby lover.
        
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        October 28, 2017 1:18pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Syncronised swimming would get your attention Nasska
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:00pm
  - Digmen1
    
    So you don’t like beach volley ball?
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:24pm
  - VicParking
    
    Womens sevens and touch is fast and excellent to watch.
    
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    October 28, 2017 1:51pm
  - Evadne
    
    I’m a woman, and I agree with you, Nasska.
    
    I’d rather watch schoolboy rugby than the Black Ferns.
    
    A decent 1st XV game is far superior in skill, speed, action, strength, impact, tackling, jumping, scrummaging, rucking, kicking…and all the other things that actually make rugby rugby.
    
    Of course, we could offer true gender equality by suggesting that any of the Black Ferns can trial for the All Blacks – or, indeed, any Super team, provincial team, or even club premier team.
    
    We’ll match their pay with any player they can prove themselves equal to.
    
    Then we’ll really see where the pay inequality is.
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:30pm
    - Piniwi
      
      True Evadne. Children’s rugby is great to watch right from Midget level. The hardest task is to stem their enthusiasm, energy and joy in the game. As much from the family support on the side-line as on the field.
      
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      October 29, 2017 2:53am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  You’re right, of course, in the last paragraph.
  
  But the campaign for ‘equal pay’ is also simply envy and greed and wallowing in their own sense of inferiority. It’s easy to tell.
  
  I have yet to see any proponent of equal pay demanding that men’s pay be reduced to that of women. You would think with a Labour govt wailing about ‘the poor’, they would have an incentive to reduce business overheads and distribute the gains more equally. It would be great if those earning 50k+ (that might be low) gave up their additional 20k in order to pay the cleaners a living wage. But no. The women want their ‘share’ of the greater earnings. Stuff the cleaners et al.
  
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  October 28, 2017 12:31pm
  - Harriet
    
    “….I have yet to see any proponent of equal pay demanding that men’s pay be reduced to that of women….”
    
    Yep!
    
    Neither do you hear the equality types chanting:
    
    “Brown boobs on the board tra la la la brown boobs on the board tra le la la la.”
    
    To these people quality is about pretense – not reality. 😎
    
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    October 28, 2017 2:28pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Good grief Labour are now saying that the New Zealand women’s rugby team players should be paid the same as the national team, the All Blacks.

So Labour now want to bankrupt The New Zealand Rugby Union. How about the New Zealand men’s netball team? Will they be paid the same as the Silver Ferns? And what business is it of a government to tell the rugby union what they should pay. But that’s how socialism works. It creeps into everyday life and slowly takes away freedom and only rests when we are all equal and the same.
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October 28, 2017 1:21pm
- realityczech
  
  The AB’s get paid more because they generate more income. Largely from the closet homos who make up their fan base.
  
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  October 28, 2017 1:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Wow! Either someone slipped speed into the keas’ food box or the nosy birds have been pecking at those red mushrooms again.
    
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    October 28, 2017 3:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      Any day now, parrot meat will be declared kosher and halal. That will bugger them.
      
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      October 28, 2017 3:28pm
Digmen1

I think pensioners should be paid the same as the new minister for social development.
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October 28, 2017 1:25pm
big bruv

I await the full length pictures of dear leader that will soon start to appear on the sides of tall buildings in our cities.
Clearly this government has the answer to everything, if you want more then you shall have more irrespective of your ability or demand for your services.
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October 28, 2017 1:51pm
- Viking2
  
  You mean like this one.
  https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/New+Zealand+Customs+Service/@-37.6419355,176.1842012,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPHa-yqGJqWw1NmOzsBKbVniuvLP1boJSAChoke!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPHa-yqGJqWw1NmOzsBKbVniuvLP1boJSAChoke%3Dw156-h208-k-no!7i2976!8i3968!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sharrington+house+tauranga!3m4!1s0x6d6ddea2bdcf0bcb:0xe98e1ef0233ab3fc!8m2!3d-37.6819925!4d176.1684269?hl=en
  
  Obviously a freedom believer.
  
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  October 28, 2017 5:29pm
Longknives

So The Left are now shrieking that the NZ Women’s Rugby Team should be paid as much as the All Blacks?
Women’s NPC players will have their hands out next.
Neither the NZ Women’s Team or the Women’s NPC generate any revenue whatsoever.
Bye Bye NZ Rugby- You are about to go bankrupt…
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October 28, 2017 1:58pm
- Evadne
  
  Or they could dock the pay of the All Blacks, so everyone earns the same amount, and watch the talent head offshore.
  
  In fact, the more I think about it, the more I want Labour to push for this. It’s the perfect illustration of all that is so completely irrational and impossible about income redistribution, “equality”, mandated incomes, unionism, collective agreements, etc.
  
  Even the most idealistic idiot could see the true effects of socialism when the All Blacks start losing all the time.
  
  But, hey, there’d be less rugby inequality.
  
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  October 28, 2017 2:38pm
Fletch

An oldie but a goodie. Stephen Crowder uses kids and Halloween candy to show how Socialist redistribuition doesn’t work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHNBr3PZQaE
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October 28, 2017 2:01pm
MT_Tinman

Stuff has headlines of violent racist scum chasing legitimate protesters through the streets of Wellington.

No word of arrests.

Could that be because the innocent protesters are white?
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October 28, 2017 2:07pm
rouppe

A group had a permit to demonstrate on parliament grounds.

A second group organised a mob, surrounded the legal protest, threatening them to the point of being chased away.

Who are the thugs here? The ~~anti~~ neo-fascists.

I don’t identify with the National Front, but the police validating the behaviour of the mob is disgraceful

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/98328741/national-front-members-chased-away-from-parliament
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October 28, 2017 2:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep:Only the Left has the right to free speech and to protest.
  
  Golriz Ghahraman was there, with a lot of African and Asian faces. Keeping the uppity whities in their place.
  
  The dividends of diversity …
  
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  October 28, 2017 3:21pm
  - realityczech
    
    “a lot of African and Asian faces”
    
    Any Jews Jackie ?
    
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    October 28, 2017 8:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sh! The Mossad is everywhere.
      
      It’s here, competing with ISIL to capture the most keas for training as suicide drones.
      
      Hide at the bottom of your cage, Kea.
      
      PS: Have you checked out Golriz yet? Remember, eye to eye, no sneaky look at her “chest”…
      
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      October 28, 2017 8:41pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yep Jack5 the Go-go girl made her first protest appearance as this one. Many more to come at such a great rate of pay.
    
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    October 29, 2017 3:00am
- niggly
  
  From the article:
  
  One of the members asked the protesters how he could be racist if he was Māori.
  
  Another said the organisation was not racist and it was the members who voted Winston Peters into power.
  
  Ironic, some Maori and NZF voting National Front protesters … were shouted down by a larger group of mainly White-skinned Labour and Green counter-protesting “Honkies” (oh and an ex-Iranian newbie MP) telling them they were “wascist”!
  
  Maybe NF should have told the Labour/Green counter protestors to check their “white privilege” (or better still, have invited Winnie along to speak for them)! 😉
  
  Bwahahaa is this also a portend that some supporters of the COL are actually at loggerheads with each other? If so the next 3 years, if that, will be “interesting” to say the least!
  
  Jacinda will put on a scowly face and Winnie will have to disown his own NF supporters!
  
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  October 28, 2017 5:06pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11937197

$45m bill for communications at Auckland Council

“Auckland ratepayers are picking up a $45.6 million tab to run communication departments, employing 234 staff, at Auckland Council and five council-controlled organisations, according to a leaked review.

A “confidential draft” of the review, obtained by the Weekend Herald, has uncovered a huge blowout in communication salary costs at four council bodies.

Between 2013 and 2017, salary costs soared by 75 per cent at Auckland Council, 87 per cent at Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development (Ateed) and 56 per cent at Auckland Transport.”
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October 28, 2017 3:48pm
rightoverlabour

There is some opinion on how National are feeling at the moment. What the writer of this “let’s fill up some space” crap fails to recognise is that National didn’t lose the election. They increased their vote. There won’t be the soul-searching of what they did wrong, they are not responsible for Winston’s decision. Talking about currying favour with NZ1st next time is rubbish, there won’t be a NZ1st to deal with. In three years Labour will once again have pissed off the Maoris, and so the only thing that has to occur is a rejuvenated Act Party. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/98293539/the-three-stages-of-electoral-loss
There is no Year one of Denial, Just anger, felt by probably 48% of the population. That’s a lot of pissed off people.
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October 28, 2017 4:54pm
- niggly
  
  The writer is Tracy Watkins, who only a couple of months ago wrote so many gushing Jacindamania stories day-after-day-after-day that Stuff readers were wondering whether the Labour Party had bought Fairfax but in their haste hadn’t got around to changing its name!
  
  So it looks like more helpings of stardust from Ms Watkins I’m afraid, but just in a different guise! Expect more of the same, tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day after that, and …
  
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  October 28, 2017 5:21pm
- treadingthemill
  
  There is no Year one of Denial
  
  Not for the National party itself. But there is a lot of denial by some people here who think the new government is going to implode in 18 months or last only one term. That’s denial.
  
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  October 28, 2017 5:31pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    There are many more that fear they will be in for a long time. It took 84 years for Russia to get rid of the cloak of communism, Comrades….
    
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    October 28, 2017 6:19pm
Manolo

It must be the Obama effect. Will NZ get the Ardern one?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/27/first-reading-on-third-quarter-gdp-up-3-point-0-percent-vs-2-point-5-percent-rise-expected.html

The U.S. economy unexpectedly maintained a brisk pace of growth in the third quarter as an increase in inventory investment and a smaller trade deficit offset a hurricane-related slowdown in consumer spending and a decline in construction.

Gross domestic product increased at a 3.0 percent annual rate in the July-September period after expanding at a 3.1 percent pace in the second quarter, the Commerce Department said on Friday.
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October 28, 2017 5:40pm
- realityczech
  
  The US is booming under Trump.
  
  The filth and vermin who attack him don’t care, because they don’t care about people.
  
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  October 28, 2017 5:47pm
Monique Watson

No relevance to previous comments It’s Friday night here and I’m googling random shite: I’m getting drunk on a plane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrM39m22jH4
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October 28, 2017 5:41pm
Manolo

Going senile:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-pelosi-face-spasms-mar-speech-utters-gibberish-confuses-trillions-billions/
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October 28, 2017 5:44pm
waikatogirl

Have we ever had a government sworn in and within 2 days people are protesting in the streets?

There was a news item on TV1 about a single mother living in a caravan with her daughter. She is pleased Cindy is going to look after her and her daughter, who can now dream of achieving her dream of joining the police when she grows up. Another woman involved in housing the homeless is worried Cindy “will be taking on too much with all the work she has to do”… Have we ever had someone worried about the workload of the PM before? ?
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October 28, 2017 6:54pm
- itstricky
  
  Have we ever had a government sworn in and within 2 days people are protesting in the streets?
  
  Who were they and why wasn’t anyone dismissing them as rent-a-mob-SJW-commie-hairy-legs who throw a protest every other day?
  
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  October 28, 2017 6:59pm
  - nasska
    
    Do you reckon they should wait another 51 weeks & scream helplessly at the sky itstricky?
    
    Nah! It’s been done before & your pathetic lot won’t last that long anyway. It’s a race to get a protest in before it all turns to custard. 🙂
    
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    October 28, 2017 7:11pm
    - itstricky
      
      They’d better be careful they don’t tire themselves out prematurely.
      
      Still no idea who “they” are.
      
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      October 28, 2017 8:23pm
rightoverlabour

I thoughtI’d illuminate this blog with quotes from various people who have altered the course of history. As Capitalism has failed us, (according to Winny) I thought a suitable quote would suffice.. Quote: “In the course of history periods of capitalism and socialism alternate with one another; capitalism is the unnatural, socialism the natural economic system…The National Socialists and the Red Front have the same aspirations.” A really top bloke uttered these words….Heinrich Himmler. Go figure.
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October 28, 2017 7:07pm
nasska

Labour are full of shit. A commentator on another thread linked to their website where they promise “a fresh solution for the Manawatu Gorge”.

….”In 2012, the Te Apiti route was estimated to cost $120m “…..

http://www.labour.org.nz/manawatu_gorge

But if we look at NZTA’s website the Te Apiti route through the windfarm (just north of the gorge & south of the Saddle Rd) is costed at $350m to $450m & will take 5-6 years.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/sh3-manawatu-gorge

I know who I prefer to believe & it ain’t a bunch of lying socialists!
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October 28, 2017 7:57pm
nasska

Parenting tip:

Find out which of your children are in the house by simply turning off the Wi-Fi.
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October 28, 2017 8:45pm
Viking2

Are there two of them?

https://www.screencast.com/t/kCr4Dr8Uw

https://www.screencast.com/t/AY8kmEBKjU

Thank the Lord its Jacinda and not Clark.
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October 28, 2017 8:49pm
nasska

Remember Mrs Marsh V2? We may have to dig her out of retirement….. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h21jl2pLc1o
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October 28, 2017 8:58pm
Jack5

People no longer respect senior folk.

Take the case of George H.W. Bush, a Navy pilot in the Pacific battles that protected NZ in World War 2, shot down at age 20 and rescued by a submarine, later President of the United States.

Mr Bush, perhaps now in his 90s and perhaps in his dotage, is accused of goosing young women as the Hollywood sex hysteria continues to spread.

Why isn’t Mr Bush being protected and kept away from the publicity machine? Why aren’t young women gently and politely steered away from coming within range of Mr Bush?

Has the world lost all empathy, when it lets such elders humiliate themselves?
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October 28, 2017 8:58pm
- realityczech
  
  These are anti Trumpers. Do not expect any decency from such filth.
  
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  October 28, 2017 9:02pm
Jack5

Jacindementia could threaten the survival of the traditional media.

Rumour has it that subscriptions will be denied to heterosexual males, so that the feministas can really let rip with the inside truths of how m-e-n have utterly fucked up the world. They have poked their willies in everywhere and have left chaos.

Just how the media baronesses will balance the books without m-a-l-e subscribers is going to be the challenge.

In the meantime, the sisterhood will proceed with correcting the printed language. For a start, out will go many sexist words that begin with M-E-N!

M-e-n-struate is a definite goner. M-e-n-tal, and especially m-e-n-tal age have also been marked for gassing, but m-e-n-dacity and m-e-n-ial will be retained as living relics of women’s suffering in the guylags.
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October 28, 2017 10:02pm
Jack5

As Mother Jacinda tends to the teeming poor of Auckland, a question arises in my mind.

As a former Mormon, can Mother Jacinda realistically aspire to follow Mother Theresa into Catholic sainthood?
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October 28, 2017 10:10pm
sooty

You mean she’s only mother jacinda. I thought that the lefties had risen her saint by now. Able to walk on water by monday. The end of the week, she break bread and feed everyone in poverdy.
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October 28, 2017 10:36pm
Manolo

The establishment fights back:
https://news.grabien.com/story-mueller-probes-first-act-leak-cnn
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