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mikenmild

Happy Intersex Awareness Day!
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October 26, 2017 8:00am
- SGA
  
  Surely you mean In to Sex Awareness Day?
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:05am
  - radvad
    
    Milky, have you decided yet which sex you will be today?
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:09am
  - MH
    
    now I understand where this $600,000 for a bit of S & M comes from.. oh maybe it was mind over matter ?
    
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    October 26, 2017 12:16pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Are you advocating
  
  Awareness
  Intersex
  Day
  Sex
  
  ??
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:16am
  - starboard
    
    Could be
    
    Arse
    Injected
    Death
    Sentence
    ??
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:50am
    - skyblue
      
      Or
      Arm
      Injected
      Death
      Sentence
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:16am
    - starboard
      
      Gay..
      
      Got
      Aids
      Yet
      
      ??
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:51pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Wow. The further down the comments you go the greater the tears flow. Can’t believe y’all wast your lives producing such dribble. No wonder Bills got no mates.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:40pm
- UpandComer
  
  Happy species spectrum day to you too Milk!
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:43pm
radvad

Did anyone else notice the Jacinda’s huge contradiction on TV1 last night? With one breath she announced that increasing the minimum wage actually created jobs and in the next she said she was looking into ways to assist small businesses to avoid having to lay staff off.
Is it too much to hope our ever diligent and unbiased MSM would pick up on this, and challenge her on it?
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October 26, 2017 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  She then scuttled off to ask for Winston’s advice, followed by a quick call to Helen.
  
  ‘Never look back, is my philosophy’. Helen Clark
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:06am
- Poppa
  
  I didn’t see it but I would like her to explain to me how increasing wages increases employment. That is a completely new theory which needs to be explored more but in the meantime I will go with my theory of it costing jobs
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    You clearly know nothing.
    
    She promised to increase wages and she got the job.
    
    Therefore increasing wages DOES create jobs.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:26am
  - flipper
    
    The Greater Seattle, Wa. Council recently scored a massive own goal when, having mandated such an increase, found to their “surprise”, a massive increase in lower paid unemployment. Of course they immediately sought an academic study to “prove” otherwise. But one of the honest academics turned into a whistle blower.
    Grantie and the Peters/Ardern regime will not find Treasury as easy to prostitute!
    The MSM however, will continue to blow stardust.
    Pity about the nation.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:53am
  - GoVege
    
    Business always does best under Labour.
    The workers have more disposable income to spend, which goes to businesses, which then need more staff to serve the extra customers.
    Comprendez- vous?
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:38am
    - rangitoto
      
      “~~Business~~ Government departments and commercial building owners in Wellington always do best under Labour.”
      
      Fixed.
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:32am
    - Lance
      
      Economics is not your strong point I take it
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:58am
      - GoVege
        
        It happens to be true, Lance.
        I have been running businesses for years and I noticed we always did way better when a Labour government was in.
        Quite a few Labour people run and have run businesses.
        (They get a bit of a hard time from some Labour die-hards too.)
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:57pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Yes, because I was going to take the money from my tax cut and stuff it all in a box under my bed and now I won’t be able to.
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:11pm
    - starboard
      
      Govege..
      It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s original starboard, can I borrow it?
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:54pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        I’ll accept your surrender ????
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:29pm
- RalphT
  
  “Is it too much to hope our ever diligent and unbiased MSM would pick up on this, and challenge her on it?”
  
  Yes, of course.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:12am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Speaking of our ever digilent and unbiased MSM, Paddy the gnome was positively salivating last night as he praised the virtues of the Government of his dreams.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:25am
    - RF
      
      Insert “wet dreams”.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:01am
    - MickMac
      
      Paddy (i’m as unbiased as they come) Gower.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:22am
      - MH
        
        let’s do it, it’s a Gower.
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:11pm
- radvad
  
  She said she was looking at mechanisms like tax credits to assist small businesses to retain their staff.
  There we have it Kiwibloggers, the long suffering taxpayer will be funding minimum wage increases.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:18am
  - labrator
    
    Working For Businesses.
    
    If it moves, tax it.
    If it keeps moving, regulate it.
    If it stops moving, subsidise it.
    If you want it to vote Labour, put it on welfare.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:44am
    - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
      
      Comrade,
      Dear Leader likes to make the policy announcements. Please refrain from publishing department memos in future.
      
      Back to work pleb, that is all.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:59am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I was browsing this website looking for quotes that could be attributed to “Pol Pott” Peters.
        
        Worth a read. They also got Trotsky, Lenin, Marx. I liked this one “When there’s a person, there’s a problem. When there’s no person, there’s no problem.” Josef Stalin
        
        Maybe we could run a competition to see how many quotes we can find that have similarities to those Great Revolutionary Comrades
        
        http://www.azquotes.com/author/13993-Joseph_Stalin
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:34am
    - GoVege
      
      Nonsense labrator!
      Labour will be putting thousands of idle youths into jobs or training.
      It’s National that prefers to pay them to stay home.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:02pm
      - softail 1450
        
        vegetable ,see vege not even a up or down tick ,folk aren’t reading you anymore ,,,,sad.
        
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        October 27, 2017 7:20am
      - labrator
        
        Labour will be putting thousands of idle youths into jobs or training.
        
        Ummm…
        
        If it stops moving, subsidise it.
        
        I’m quoting Ronald Reagan with an addendum for Labour’s extra special policy.
        
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        October 27, 2017 11:39am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The trouble with Cindy is that she wasn’t born when communisim killed the students in Tiananmen Square and the Berlin Wall came down. To her, if you have it, she can take it and give it to whoever she likes – and that has no consequences whatsoever.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:00am
    - cmm
      
      She had been born, but she was still a youngster.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:27am
      - Duxton
        
        And she hadn’t grown up since.
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:08am
      - Fletch
        
        She will be made PM when she is on a break from her geography exams, now that the hols are over.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jIE3b-bhY
        
        ps, as a matter of fact, Jacinda has invited one of her old teachers to the ceremony.
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-invites-her-old-high-school-teacher-pm-swearing-in-ceremony
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:21am
- Simon
  
  Yep they are shitting themselves over the economy. It is Robertson who will have to hold it together. Not sure he is up to it
  
  Helen Clark was all about private debt. Key was about immigration. Debt and immigration helped their governments: short term economy but now they are problems. Both Vlark and Key government very good for housing which in turn good for them . That option not available for Princess. Princess has to go the opposite.
  
  If Labo are not walking on eggshells on the economy they should be.
  
  Can’t be done. Can’t keep house prices steady or slightly dropping and win elections
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  “…she was looking into ways to assist small businesses to avoid having to lay staff off.”
  
  The solution to a government created problem is ……. more government.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:59am
- niggly
  
  Another Jacinda double-speak piece which was well reported a couple of days ago had me scratching my head. She said that their newly announced investment for the Regions follows on from “9 years of neglect”.
  
  I’m trying to think back as to what Labour was doing for the regions last time they were in power and what National did that was different for her to claim there has been “9 years of neglect”?
  
  Did she really mean there has been perhaps nearly three decades of neglect since the Labour govt in the 1980’s enacted reforms affecting the regions? If so the 1999-2008 Labour Govt must have been guilty of neglect too! I could be wrong so happy to be corrected …
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:09am
  - labrator
    
    National neglected to tax them more.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:19am
- KevOB
  
  Ideology promotes muddlesome meddlement. Small employers will have expanded payroll costs and WFF government payouts likely reduced with abatements. A transfer of costs from the state to the employers. Unions will enforce that so small employers will fold passing their payroll obligations back to the state as “job seekers”. Meanwhile the increase lower pay levels will reach up to the upper ones as relativities are adjusted. Stagflation could be on its way.
  
  A less exciting certain expanding life is to be preferred to one of enthusiastic ignorant folly.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:19am
- KKKKatee
  
  I can’t for the life of me connect the dots on this one.
  Increasing the minimum wage creates jobs? I’ll tell you what, there will be people laid off, don’t you worry and even more when the minimum wages hits the $20/hour in 3 or so years. Of course, the cost of goods and services will go up – a business cannot absorb increased pay rises without passing the cost onto the consumer. So in the end, all it will mean is that people will still be chasing their tails balancing the ledger. If, however, the revered Ms Ardern had any business sense at all, she would understand these sorts of things. Seems not…….
  Also, employers will have to match the kiwi saver contributions accordingly, so they are paying even more than the minimum wage.
  I’m hoping there will be significant tax breaks for employers before all this chucking other peoples’ money around becomes law…..
  Mistress of U-turns strikes again……
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:08pm
tas

I think Bill English is staying on just to spite Whaleoil.
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October 26, 2017 8:04am
- Ambergris
  
  If WO’s post this morning suggesting he has inside knowledge on maneuvering within the National caucus is as accurate as his often repeated claim that NZF would never go with the Greens then Bill English is safe until 2020 anyway!
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:53am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes and how he daily put the boot into Winston Peters. He even showed photos of Peters going about his daily business. WO preferred to call him “Unemployed Pensioner” from ST Marys Bay Auckland. I thought what an insult and attack on Mr Peters Personal Privacy. Hope Mr Peters has an epiphany and wants to revisit the daily abuse he had to suffer under the many many printed assaults on his character by the sanctimonious WO site.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:29am
  - tas
    
    Slater is one of the fools who thought voting NZF was guaranteed to yield a National-led govt. Rather than admit that he was played, he chooses to blame English.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:48am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Yep. Whale Oil advocated voting for the new Change government, and slammed English, Bennett and Key . And Change if you didn’t vote Nats or Act is a Labour government. And true to form at the last Auckalnd Elections ,Whale Oil advocated to not vote Vic Crone who he dragged through the mud. A vote for anyone other than Vic Crone was a vote for the Labour Government. Conclusion, Cameron Slater is a Labour supporter
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:23am
      - tas
        
        I disagree. Slater doesn’t support a party, he is driven by personal vendettas. He hates English, so has attacked the Nats. Now an ACT staffer tweeted something that hurt his feelings, so ACT is dead to him.
        
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        October 26, 2017 11:35am
- flipper
  
  Yes, indeed. The animus toward Boag can be understood. Well the Son must protect and justify the Father. No?
  But the on-going crusade v English, Joyce and de Joux (et al) simply destroys all pretence at balanced political analysis and coverage. Take for example the $600,000 judgement. The HC Judge’s decision is still subject to appeal, and legal action against the “reputable” agencies that “sold” the rights, has already started. Add to that the judicial observation (inferred) that National had exhibited no mens rea, and had not acted in a irresponsible/reprehensible manner.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:12am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Not so sure ‘fairly legal’ from Joyce helped.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:24am
    - flipper
      
      Yep. A poor choice of words, Nos
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:32pm
  - Kimbo
    
    But the on-going crusade v English, Joyce and de Joux (et al) simply destroys all pretence at balanced political analysis and coverage.
    
    In mitigation for ~~Israel’s~~ Likud’s embedded NZ reporter…Cam Slater of his own admission has never made any pretence of being “balanced”. Instead, like the ‘Sun’ and other tabloid journalism at which he takes aim – mainly to try and carve out his own market niche – he is an equal-opportunity muck-raker and propagandist, often based on whom will pay him, but allegedly in accordance with his values.
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:09am
- Nermal
  
  No, he’s playing the long game. Losing again in 2020 for a threepeat will set a record that will stand for centuries.
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:27pm
Tarquin North

Looks like a regional fuel tax is coming in Auckland – that should go a long way towards wiping out child poverty. First new tax and they haven’t even been sworn in yet! That must be some kind of record.
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October 26, 2017 8:04am
- Than
  
  Hang on, surely that cannot be! Over at The Standard they assured me National’s claim Labour would increase taxes was nothing but lies and dirty politics.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:15am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Yeah that’s a kick in the guts for the Auckland voters.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:18am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Have Liarbor included a camel only lane on the motorway yet Padriv? Very cheap to run, water only, save on the petrol tax. ?
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:55am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      They have, but you are not allowed to park your camel in the inner city so it’s not much help.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:39am
    - KevOB
      
      Camels are plentiful too–get them from Aus.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:24am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        Also useful for eating if the repair bill is too big.
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:55pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Water tax could be more?
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:49am
  - MickMac
    
    no it’s only fair…
    User pays…
    They use more so should pay more?
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:25am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Will be an extra cost for tradies too, who can’t take the tram or the cycleway to their customers. They will have to tack on an extra cost for commuting into central and east auckland because of increases to regional fuel tax (yep), and don’t forget we just had an auckland transport levy added (was it $70 on our rates?), plus the minimum wage is going up (yep) parking cost hikes (yep). This should make peoples lives better and more affordable for sure.
    
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    October 26, 2017 12:16pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I feel sorry for those commuters in Pokeno or Waiuku (if they are included in the Auckland region).
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:19am
  - Tarquin North
    
    The thinking bloke would be building a gas station just over the boundary, the Mangawhai turn off would be a great place.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:33am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      That’s a long way to drive to save a couple of bucks per fill.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:57am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      There is already enough Aucklanders in Mangawhai, stop encouraging more to go there
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      Didn’t you know that Christchurch is also in the Auckland region?
      
      This is the thin end of the wedge.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:29am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Indeed Comrade cmm, in accordance with our equality for all ~~doctrine~~ policies, regional surcharges will be applied nationally, so no comrades miss out on their chance to contribute towards Making Aotearoa Glorious Again!
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Looks like a regional fuel tax is coming in Auckland”
  
  According to Twitford this morning it might not just be Auckland.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:28am
- tom hunter
  
  Chuckle.
  
  Fortunately I already have good reasons to fill up outside the Auckland boundaries.
  
  Watch for the development of gas stations right on the Auckland borders – that’s what it’s like in Chicago.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Bit of a risk. The lefties will just move the border.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:59am
    - kowtow
      
      Lefties don’t like borders , at least when it comes to certain “minorities”.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:06am
- flipper
  
  Yes. But we are continually reminded that Auckland drives the economy. Well, that is the claim by some.
  But what will prove true is that the cost will be passed to the whole country by way of production and distribution costs. And the MSM, idiots like the Toothfairy’s brother, Brer Gower to the front, do not have the intelligence to ask even simple questions. They prefer their own “News of the World” type coverage. BTW: Apologies to all N o t W employees – Vance excluded.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:23am
lifesgood

Now that the coalition of losers are rolling out their policies I’m starting to feel a little bit excited. They just haven’t a clue and the short term they will have will show them up as naive, ineffectual liars and hypocrites. It is going to be a heap of fun watching them make total asses of themselves. It’ll also be great fun reading KB. The downside will be the complete shambles they will leave the country in.
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October 26, 2017 8:05am
- RF
  
  I agree… it’s very exciting.
  
  I thought I may have been a bit grumpy about Labour being gifted the job but no… I’m looking forward to seeing them wriggle / squirm and try and lie themselves out of the financial hole that they will dig.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:03am
Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa

Comrades,
The updated list of BANNED words are as follows:

Xdressing, (particularly with regard to Comrade Gayford.)
My dudes
Autistic Screeching
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Shadilay
Taxinda

In addition, the following YouTube channels will be blocked:
The Daily Wire
CRTV
Milo
Sargon of Akkad
Doctorrandomercam
Bearing.

That is all Plebs, back to work.
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October 26, 2017 8:07am
- KevOB
  
  Bugger. Do we have to call cross dressing (xdressing) panty stealing syndrome?
  
  Why not Gayford? He has the name and a pic has been sighted. The PM will be known by the company she keeps. She has joined fires she cannot escape from.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:27am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Comrade, you are casting a poor reflection on Dear Leader.
    
    You do not want to cast a poor reflection on Dear Leader.
    
    Get back to work pleb, and I will forget your ill considered comments.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:56am
    - KevOB
      
      She is not my dear anything. She is an accident of political turpitude and her whole party largely incapable of the office they have assumed.
      She speaks well to a script but is ignorant of economic reality.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:33pm
SGA

This whole business with “Witness C” in the Tamihere case bothers me. Has he been a witness for the prosecution in other cases? The jailhouse informant business seems set up for abuse.
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October 26, 2017 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  Convictions based on the evidence of jailhouse snitches are notoriously unreliable, and the Criminal Procedure Act requires a warning to be given to a jury in such a case. That doesn’t stop them being used. Read Steve Braunias’ piece on the informer in the Lundy case. Once witness C’s identity is disclosed, his complete lack of credibility will be apparent.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:22am
  - Notsofast
    
    One of the false statements Philip Morgan recited like a parrot in the Lundy appeal went like this.
    “This is why Lundy told witness X that he had to kill his daughter.”
    The issue is that Ross Burns defended Mark Lundy in 2015, and proved in court with dates, prison uniforms, days of the week, and the difference between waiting for a trial and waiting for an appeal, that Mark Lundy and WitnessX were never in the same place at the same time.
    Detective Olsen is the snitch hunter. It would be interesting to find how he researches for his snitches.
    Witness B in Tamihere was also proved to never be in the same place at the same time.
    This verdict and sentence will have the police in a huddle, they should be called to account.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:38am
    - MickMac
      
      No, they should be sacked.
      Never to be employed with taxpayers monies ever again.
      
      Do that to 2-3 of them and they’ll stop.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:29am
    - flipper
      
      Without arguing the Lundy case, can one of the thumbs downers please explain why the use of such people is justified? No matter the number of judicial warnings, juries hear what they are told…..especially by respectable prosecution detectives et al.
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:37am
- peterwn
  
  What is amazing is the whole thing was blown wide open by a jailhouse bush lawyer (Arthur Taylor) with disastrous consequences for Witness C. He took a private prosecution against Witness C and succeeded despite the difficulties of doing it from behind bars. This makes the Police and Crown Law look plain stupid.
  It is most unfortunate that Arthur did not choose to study law when leaving school. He would have been one of NZ’s most formidable lawyers and would have been on a roll in terms of job satisfaction.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:29am
  - fernglas
    
    Given their reliance on that witness’ evidence to convict Tamihere, it’s not surprising, sadly. From the Herald, May 26 last year:
    
    “Witness C must be the type that people can’t help but bare their soul to. He has claimed that two men convicted in separate infamous murder cases confessed to him.
    
    The jailhouse informant faces a private perjury prosecution filed this month that accuses him of giving false testimony at David Tamihere’s trial for the murders of Swedish backpacker Heidi Paakkonen and her fiance Sven Urban Hoglin.
    
    The Herald can now reveal the same prisoner claimed Mark Lundy confessed to him too.”
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:37am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      I went and watched this yesterday. Witness C was able to joke with one of the guards and converse with a TV1 presenter effortlessly. He has been an informer for decades and is apparently in protective custody. The officer in charge of the Tamihere case appeared at ‘C’s’ parole hearing and he got out very early before being recalled. It looks as though his 1st recall (he is now on his second) was longer than the time he first served.
      Unfortunately Witness C is not the only one of his kind. First event of it’s time and it was forceful to see it happening in a NZ court when kiwis probably mostly associate this with the USA. Interestingly I recall reading that this was not the first private prosecution for perjury in NZ, the first was in 1903 or 4, and made by a fellow who was falsely convicted of stealing sheep I think it was, got his convicted overturned and ended up being compensated twice. I read about that in the long Judgement for the recent Pora JR application. As for Arthur, I don’t think any one has succeeding with JR as many times as he. I actually think he will go onto continue contributing to society through the Law.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:20am
  - cmm
    
    Even if he did make an admission in prison to a fellow prisoner, that’s not really enough.
    
    If I ended up in prison I’d probably want to be seen to be tough so people don’t fuck me around. That would probably end up in at least embellishing some stories.
    
    For example, I have a scar on my arm from a boil that looks just like a bullet scar. I could easily spin that into a yarn involving getting into a gunfight, killing someone , then patching myself up to stay away from authorities.
    
    No doubt many prisoners do this and boast about things they never did.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:38am
- big bruv
  
  The fact that David Tamihere was locked up for years and years is good enough for me. The people of NZ were a lot safer.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:18am
  - GoVege
    
    That’s what they say about Watson.
    But it’s very hard on their families, costs us a fortune, and there is an important principle at stake here.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:55am
    - Longknives
      
      I couldn’t give a shit about Scott Watson’s family.
      I feel for the families of those two kids he Murdered. (And did God knows what else to)
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:05am
    - softail 1450
      
      govege ,,,you see vege ,even when you come up with a very good point you still get down ticks.
      people just remember some of the b/s you have spouted in the past and automatically down tick.
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:38am
      - GoVege
        
        That breaks my heart softail, but not as much as when I think about sweet little calves and lambs and chookies going to slaughter….
        (Is that what you mean?)
        
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        October 26, 2017 5:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        And I’d like to say that I admire those people who can see past my annoying moniker and uptick me…. 🙂
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:18pm
Paulus

Heard Twyford this morning dribbling on asto the new Kiwibuild for first home affordable housing.
When questioned he said that as I understand it for every one immigrant builder there must be one local.
A leading building employment company virtually says that it is not possible to build 100,000 affordable homes in the next 10 years – admirable new Labour sentiments, as there are not enough people to do this. Cheap new slums perhaps !
So employ a qualified overseas builder at say min $60 per hour – employ a New Zealand apprentice at new min wage $20 per hours plus and what have you got – a mess as no young New Zealander will work for that money.
He/she can go to free university plus new $50 allowance for piss, and no work really required to get a degree for which there will be no work available anyway.
If Twyford is a representation of the new Labour Greens Winston thinking – what dreamers.
God help New Zealand – nobody else will.
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October 26, 2017 8:11am
- niggly
  
  Reality has hit Twyford and he is now saying that it will take a few years to get up to building at a rate of 10,000 houses per year ….
  
  Unbelievable, the way he spoke in Opposition claiming that National were doing “nothing” and that Labour would “fix it” sounded as if the problem would be fixed as soon as Labour was elected! Wonder if the MSM will hold him to account? After all there are plenty of Twyford soundbites out there with him banging on about it!
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:14am
  - Colville
    
    It will take 3 years to get a plan change thru the RMA to get some land… and then a couple of years to get infrastructure in place…. before they can start knocking up houses….
    
    They only need 7,000 Ha of new residental land after all…. that is two of Palmy North…. all new freshly laid out..
    
    Good fucking luck doing that with the Greens in there saying NO to everything!
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:41am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      By the time the houses are built the potential occupants will be in Australia so what’s the point?
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:46am
  - Dave Mann
    
    10,000 houses per year? That’s nothing, mate. This new crowd is pretending they’re going to plant A HUNDRED MILLION (100,000,000) trees per year too! 😀
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:53am
    - softail 1450
      
      their voters will be lapping all this bull shit up, meanwhile where the fricking hell is peters?
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:41am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Pubic private partnerships with existing developers whose housing numbers are accounted for.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:57am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But many Auckland developers who are being told make ten % ‘affordable’ have been saying it’s unrealistic and they don’t want to do it. The only way it can happen is if you and I pay more tax for these houses.
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    I am expecting to hear that 16 houses will have been completed by tomorrow and every day thereafter.
    Twitford -why the delay now that you have the Foreman’s job ?
    You have been shouting about it for long enough.
    
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    October 26, 2017 2:06pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Sorry no policy. I didn’t think I would get elected.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:25pm
- KevOB
  
  God help New Zealand – nobody else will.
  
  Some of us Christians have started praying accordingly. It’s free and effective.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:33am
- MickMac
  
  I disagree.
  HNZ can have a 2nd arm to their servicing arm.
  That builds a factory making 2-4 bed kitset homes, fully insulated and plumbed.
  3rd team acquires plots and a regional building team preps the site and puts them up, when delivered.
  
  HNZ can run apprenticeships at factory and regional teams so building capacity for expansion to 1000 units a year countrywide.
  
  National should have done this already, instead they got rid of houses/units as usual.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:34am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Transferring houses to social services does not reduce stock, I assume most houses were removed and placed elsewhere when the land like in Glen Innes was to have intensified housing, again not removed from stock numbers.
    Houses can still be bought in Taumarunui for under 100k, for example and tenants are plentiful and all services available. No need to live in Auckland.
    What’s your problem?
    
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    October 26, 2017 3:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      True Rachael, but these days people need a few more incentives to uproot themselves than just cheaper housing.
      Work is the main one.
      For years we watched business after business close down in the provinces.
      Now we need to move industry there.
      
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      October 26, 2017 4:29pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The mountains are there, the rail trails are there, there is potential for Rotorua style attractions, ie zorb, Lake Taupo is close, on the main highways, they now have their rail car thingees (technical term) ;0 ripe for development, the Forgotten Highway.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:30pm
- KKKKatee
  
  No pressure on Twyford then? Good, keep him and his glorious leader under the blowtorch. Nothing like catching them out on their misinformation and outright bullshit.
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:42pm
Inandout

The Clinton Foundation was built on shifting sands and those sands are beginning to move. The MSM cannot continue to bury the Russian uranium connection any more, it is surfacing everywhere.
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October 26, 2017 8:13am
- radvad
  
  Not to mention the Clinton/DNC Russian collosion.
  There is a big dam about to break.
  Another dam at breaking point is Hollywoods paedophilia problem.
  https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2017/10/24/next-big-hollywood-sex-scandal-already-breaking…at-nickelodeon/
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:26am
  - MickMac
    
    good about time.
    for decades i’ve read about the “Pink Mafia” in Hollywood.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:35am
- Ross12
  
  This will be Watergate on a triple dose of steroids , if justice works.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:47am
  - MickMac
    
    For the rule of law to be established again in USA, one person needs to go to Jail.
    Hilary Rodham Clinton.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:36am
  - Fletch
    
    True. The problem is that a lot of the top FBI guys like Mueller (who is leading the inquiry into the so-called Trump/Russia collusion) and Comey were involved, at least to the extent of knowing about and letting the deal go through without doing anything.
    
    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/10/25/frank-gaffney-mueller-absolutely-indisputably-compromised-latest-clinton-russia-collusion-revelations/
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:37am
    - Ross12
      
      Fletch
      They will have to get another special prosecutor on the job ( because they are given extensive investigative powers).
      Mueller should be resigning ( legally he should have done it months ago) but he will definitely be caught in the “drag net” along with Comey, Rosenstein , McCabe and others.
      If Sessions does not act there will be “riots”.
      
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      October 26, 2017 1:21pm
waikatogirl

Cindy has made a decision: The Mininistry of “Vulnerable” Children has been officially changed to the Ministry of Children. The word vulnerable being seen as derogatory to those children who were specifically targetted as requiring government intervention to save them from a life of hell with their own whanau.
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October 26, 2017 8:15am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How about the name be changed to The Ministry of * _______ Children?
  
  (where *_____ is the culture/ethnicity of the child group most statistically likely to suffer from bad parenting choices).
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:22am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Comrade Waikatogirl,
  You certainly articulate with great clarity the glorious vision of Dear Leader. Rest assured your enthusiasm for your department and their glorious work has not gone unnoticed… you will be mentioned in dispatches!
  
  Also, Cindy will be added to the tomorrows updated list of banned words.
  
  Back to work plebs, that is all.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:25am
  - KevOB
    
    The use of the word “comrade” is deprecated. “Commie” is to preferred such as in partly matured commie sheila.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:37am
- stigie
  
  I think there should be a Ministry of Feral Parents who can’t be fucked sending their kids to school with no food !~
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:30am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Comrade Stigie,
    Dear leader will be the Mother of the Nation, and the Party will be the Father of the Comrades, with equality for all. Mother and Father will be there to give you everything you need, and take away everything you don’t. It will be beautiful, and glorious… the best country ever. Comrades, we will Make New Zealand Glorious Again!
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    There’s some crybaby billboard saying 50c can feed a kid at school.
    
    So mum, smoke three less fags a week and you can feed your kid.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:44am
    - stigie
      
      You can bet the feral mother will feed herself if she gets hungry, even if she has to walk down to the supermarket in her pyjamas !~
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:29am
      - 4077th
        
        On her way there to supervise the boxing match
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    “Any food”?
    
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    October 26, 2017 3:46pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Food that I have to pay for, and I am working still, but over 65. Still subsidising some others even though I owe NOTHING!!!!
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:59pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Well, she did say she wanted a government for all New Zealanders.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:44am
- Chuck Bird
  
  That will upset the Commissioner of Children who like to use the Maori translation.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:52am
  - mikenmild
    
    You realise that Oranga Tamariki just means the wellbeing of children, right?
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:00am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Or would it be
      
      Orangatanga Tamariki (identification/sympathy with the well-being of children)?
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      No.
      
      It means let’s spend all our time and money getting the stationery and slogans right instead of actually fixing the problem.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:46am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        A mood for change for change sake?
        
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        October 26, 2017 3:47pm
- cmm
  
  w’girl, that’s because by the time Cindy’s done her magic ALL our children will be vulnerable.
  
  If nothing else they’re going to be left a huge pile of debt.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:41am
oldpark

By their Legacy they are remembered.
Helen Clark she made prostitution legal and dumped the Privy Council.
Jim Bolger his claim to fame introduced MMP.
Winston Peters. He voted for Superannuation increases for his elderly over 65s Gold Holders. He convinced them to give him their vote,they did.
Now the ultimate betrayal .Once he was installed in his $400,000 per year job. The payback for his elderly fixed income pensioners,is to vote to cancel the small increase the Superannuation increases as promised by Bill English and National.
Just imagine a “Legacy” like that ,the time when Winston Peters turned into a Judas and betrayed his loyal support base. For a lot more than “thirty pieces of Silver”.
He seems to think that a so called Super Gold card with enhancement crumbs will mask his betrayal.
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October 26, 2017 8:16am
- labrator
  
  And if they drive a car in Auckland, tax them more.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:48am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Comrade Labrator,
    The Working Groups are already finalizing the details. I am sure from your comment this initiative will be met with much glorious joy from all the comrades.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:56am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  By the same token what would one say where the Key/English legacy.
  
  The charitable might say – the Roads of National Significance infrastructure programme.
  
  Others might find it really hard to flag a first order change to the fabric of NZ. Potential has a shelf life! National’s has now well and truly expired – unrealised.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:22am
  - MickMac
    
    the Key/English legacy is
    “Kick it down the road”!!!
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:39am
    - Nermal
      
      John Key won 3 elections. Bill’s going for three down.
      
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      October 26, 2017 4:32pm
- MCos
  
  Do you really think that gold card holders are beholden to Winston?
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    I personally know two old dears who voted for him solely because of the gold card. They are both now scared to admit it. Next election these idiots will be either dead or demented so there is hope.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:54am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      As is the case with my first time voter friend who like the sentiment expressed by the name NZ First, she has been disappointed by the election and wasn’t sure if I would still talk to her lol.
      I think she has learned her lesson and I hope others have too.
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:28pm
- Fletch
  
  My elderly mother was looking at the article in the Herald the other day regarding the changes the new government is bringing in and said, “where are the things for elderly people that Winston was going to bring in? I can’t see anything here”.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:40am
- flipper
  
  Agree…. but not “promised”. It was legislated with the support of the Redmelons and Peters.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:54am
- Paulus
  
  When is the legislation to cancel the tax decrease to go before Parliament ?
  The hypocrite Winston must be pleased with himself for stuffing the pensioners who voted for him.
  Making irrelevant cosmetic changes to the Gold Card – which we only use at one coffee bar is nothing to an increase in money terms
  
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  October 26, 2017 3:48pm
plc

I wish Cameron Slater would just let it go. We get it….you don’t like the current National Parliamentary leadership.

He creates a story today saying that there are no leadership plots but if there were he wouldn’t say.

It really must be hard to be that bitter for so long.
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October 26, 2017 8:19am
Luke Piewalker

Trevor Mallard will be the speaker … think about that!
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October 26, 2017 8:22am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think I’ve ever given any thought to whosoever might have been the speaker in the past and I see no reason to change now.
  To me it’s right up there with reading last week’s newspapers
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:36am
  - softail 1450
    
    mcos ,you obviously can’t remember the corrupt speaker Margaret Wilson ,she bought shame and ridicule to that place under guess who ? Helen Clarke .
    it was a disgusting time in the parliament with a disgusting speaker.
    let’s hope mallard(quack ,quack) does better than she did .
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:51am
- lifesgood
  
  A person can’t help their speech impediment….but, still.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:51am
Longknives

Did I hear right?- The People’s Princess has made herself Minister for National Security??
This being the same Jacinda Ardern who wants to Quadruple our intake of Muslim Refugees…

Is she going to stand up and take accountability when the inevitable happens?
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October 26, 2017 8:24am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Comrade Longknives,
  The new comrades will undergo extensive re education to ensure societal harmony with equality for all, it will be glorious!
  
  We foresee great potential with the new comrades to fill work assignments in the new OMON and SOBR departments.
  
  Dear leader has everything under control. Back to work, pleb.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:32am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  She will take a leaf out of Merkel’s book on this.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:25am
- treadingthemill
  
  The People’s Princess has made herself Minister for National Security??
  
  It’s normal for the PM to be Minister for Security.
  
  This being the same Jacinda Ardern who wants to Quadruple our intake of Muslim Refugees…
  
  The intake of refugees was 750 a year under National, and was set to rise to 1000. Under Labour it will be 1500. That’s not a fourfold increase.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:38am
  - nasska
    
    It’s 1500 too many!
    
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    October 26, 2017 12:35pm
- KKKKatee
  
  No. She ought to get out more often and find out how things are going down in Germany, Sweden, Denmark etc. etc.
  But will she? Nope, she’ll listen to her ‘advisers’ and then tell us that all those lovely Muslim people she has given the thumbs up to don’t want to wish harm on any of us…..
  Yes – they’ll want to perform FGM in their garages, have more then one wife, beat the shit out of their wives, demand Sharia Law, gain consent to build a mosque in Queen Street, – the list goes on……
  We’ll see the shopping malls full of humans looking like walking rubbish bags –
  All this aided and abetted by you and me the taxpayer
  That’s certainly what I don’t want to see for our country. ..
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:37pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    That’s certainly what I don’t want to see for our country
    
    Well it’s good that none of that is actually going to happen then. As I pointed out, the difference between Labour and National’s refugee policies are minimal. I don’t know where this fantasy that JA is going to flood New Zealand with Muslims on the same level as Europe comes from, but it’s just as insane as the claim that she is a communist.
    
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    October 26, 2017 5:07pm
softail 1450

OMG , wendyl Nysan on tv3 ,she’s a pseudo wannabe lesbian feminist and proclaimed “it’s good to see the back end of the old white men running the country ,now we have a young smart female in charge”
this from an old white woman ,fucking nauseating old bitch.
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October 26, 2017 8:25am
- radvad
  
  Sexist, racist and ageist, and all in one breath.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is never good to see the back end of old white, yellow, brown or black men.
  
  Trust me, I had 3 months washing old men’s bums.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  Imagine being named after a Japanese motor vehicle?
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:34am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    No. That’s “Nissan” 日産.
    日= Japan
    産 = manufactured
    
    Literally, “Japanese Made”.
    
    Wendyl Nissen is her name.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:44am
    - fernglas
      
      Named after a hut, then?
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:48am
      - RalphT
        
        Which she should be confined to.
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Her father was Cedric Nissen, which reminds me of the Nissan Cedric, a Tokyo taxi of the 1970s.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:06am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The Nissan Cedric was in production up until 2015.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Cedric
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:09am
      - kowtow
        
        Ugly and offering no comfort to its users.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:13am
      - Duxton
        
        @ kowtow:
        
        Wendyl? or the car?
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        Duxton
        
        The Nissen hut. But there are shared similarities.
        
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        October 26, 2017 11:19am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        You mean, like “Nissen the Hut”?
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:18pm
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Indeed Comrade Inandout,
    Operatives of the Politburo have a certain image to uphold. We are disappointed in Comrade Wendyl, choosing to align herself with a capitalist pig nation. the comrades in the directorship have decided her name will be changed to Moskvich.
    
    Back to work plebs, that is all.
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:50am
  - flipper
    
    But let us not be diverted, no one takes Wendyl and Brer Gower’s TV3 seriously
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:05am
- oldpark
  
  I thought Peters was running NZ. Maybe she was down on her knees helping out one of her girlfriends and missed the MEME.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:39am
- lifesgood
  
  You have to laugh. What is Winnie, if not old and we all know he calls the shots so two ticks there _ old and male. White? Well he is mainly, like most Maori, and he’s made it clear he doesn’t think much of his Maori rellies
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:48am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Clear as everything else that he has said?
    
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    October 26, 2017 12:31pm
- labrator
  
  it’s good to see the back end of the old white men running the country ,now we have a young smart female in charge
  
  I’m sure Susan Devoy will be on this blatant sexism, ageism and racism immediately! If she’s not too busy telling the UN how much New Zealand sucks (or did she have a change of heart along with Winston?).
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:49am
- waikatogirl
  
  Wendyl Nysan is a lefty idiot. She spouts utter crap without any actual thought. If she had a brain cell it would be lonely.?
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:01am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Indeed Comrade, Dear Leader is well aware of the Comrades impressive credentials, and suitability for he current work assignment. She will not be promoted, as she cannot be replaced.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:12am
  - Longknives
    
    I used to walk past her ‘Green Goddess’ Vegan Store in Grey Lynn.
    Never once saw a Customer in there. Fancy Vegan Dog Biscuits not being a huge seller??
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:09am
- Fletch
  
  Those old, white men cleaned up the mess made by the last female who was PM.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:41am
- KevOB
  
  Is that from the self made dishwasher powder woe-person?
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:44am
Maxx

Apparently, the Green Party have run out of money as they overspent in the election. At least with their new higher paychecks the tithing rates will go up!

Glad that they’re in parliament now. They’ll know what to do.
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October 26, 2017 8:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Doubtless, the Greens’ cries of poverty are to soften us up for the introduction of taxpayer funding of political parties. I would also expect to see legislation introduced this term to lower the voting age to 16.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:45am
  - geoff3012
    
    Whoops pushed wrong button
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    ” I would also expect to see legislation introduced this term to lower the voting age to 16.”
    
    Why stop at 16, what’s wrong with 6?
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:24am
    - Maxx
      
      Hey – the unborn child has rights too.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:32am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      All in the fullness of time Captain, but I fully expect 16 to be the new benchmark. Do you know any political parties who think they would benefit from the votes of those being fed PPTA-approved ideology?
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:20am
  - flipper
    
    Like fucking hell they will get that (with apols for the expletive).
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:11am
- niggly
  
  Funnily enough James Shaw was asking supporters for “$100” each because if everyone contributed that amount then that would wipe their debt.
  
  Aside for wondering how much their debt is (and therefore how many supporters paying $100 would be required), I realised that $100 is an impossibly big ask for a Party that supposedly represents those less fortunate (eg those on benefits or working poor etc).
  
  So if anything it reinforces although the Greens are red watermelons (and would dare not even think about working constructively with National for example), their main supporters appear to be the urban elite and well-off, who could afford $100. If so, what a disconnect between their Party activist base and the majority of the public that vote for them!
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:25am
  - Nermal
    
    They just need to tell a few fibs on their next benefit claims and the problem will be solved.
    
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    October 26, 2017 4:36pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  But fewer in number.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:33pm
JasonJohns

oldpark is one of the best contributors to kiwiblog. i appreciate the technical quality of his language and also the salacious detail. he is undoubtedly a man with healthy and patriotic fluids.
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October 26, 2017 8:44am
JasonJohns

deep state increasing its probes of kiwiblog
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/is-jacinda-commie.html
https://yournz.org/2017/10/23/assassination-comments-on-kiwiblog/
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October 26, 2017 8:46am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Oh Comrade… If you only knew! 🙂
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:51am
- mikenmild
  
  As always, Scott Hamilton delivers a thoughtful rebuff to DPF’s ill considered claims about Ardern and socialism. As if that would matter to the ignorant commenters lining up to rant about ‘commie chick’, etc.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:10am
  - dime
    
    lol agree with milky you are “thoughtful”. disagree and its just “ill considered” shit.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:26am
  - flipper
    
    Milky the Moyle lover speaks from the outhouse – as usual….
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:14am
    - mikenmild
      
      Interesting that you should bring up the Moyle affair. Not your buddy Muldoon’s finest hour.
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:31am
      - Kimbo
        
        …in mitigation of Muldoon that night, Labour started it…and they brought a knife to a gunfight.
        
        Plus both Moyle and Rowling fucked it up, Moyle by giving about 5 different explanations of his activities, and Rowling for demanding an enquiry…
        
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        October 26, 2017 11:36am
  - Longknives
    
    Always enjoy Mikenmild calling us all ‘ignorant’ when he can’t win an argument…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:20am
    - Kimbo
      
      Um, you seriously think Ardern is a communist? Like a real, in every-way communist like Lenin, Mao or Pol Pot? As opposed to a ~~socialist~~ social democrat in the NZ Labour Party tradition? Hmm. Don’t think I want you judging too many debating contests… 😉
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:23am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Scott Hamilton’s blog post was very good. The scaremongering here about the new PM is daft and at times unhinged hysteria.
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:00pm
- Manolo
  
  Life without a Peter Dunne to worship is very hard, isn’t it?
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:13am
  - RalphT
    
    A struggle, but I think we’ll pull through.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:21am
- Dave Mann
  
  To be fair, neither of the links you posted are examples of Deep State. They are both just blogs….. they don’t represent an official view or an attempt by government to control it’s citizens.
  
  Here’s a very scary example of how Deep State works in China currently and where its headed. I was going to post this sometime but your statement about Deep State makes it relevant today.
  
  http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion
  
  Its a long but fascinating article about the state’s tentacles of social, financial and political control and it also alludes to Western behemoths like Facebook. This is the real Deep State St work.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:20am
  - MickMac
    
    Australia has a problem with China’s Intelligence and Security organs interfering with Chinese born Oz citizens.
    
    personally based on what I read last week in the Australian, I would deny top secret accreditation to Chinese until the penetration of the Chinese govt could be ascertained.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:44am
BeaB

Looking on the bright side, there will be no more media stories about the poor, the starving, the hopeless, the lunchless – now the cavalry has arrived. And nothing to bother with on Radio NZ because it will all be ministerial monologues like Morning Report this morning and cosy chuckles, as on The Panel yesterday which was a real Lefty love-in.
We can fill our time with all the good stuff of life!
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October 26, 2017 8:58am
oldpark

In case it was missed .”Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern made a visit to her Trade Union Puppet Masters yesterday The CTU. Ardern got a rousing reception when she told them .She was with them all the way, infact hand in glove support for all the unions dreams and schemes for NZ.
Now after digesting her comments ,here will be the outcome. NZFirst/Greens/ Liebour/ CTU/ coalition. Older people will remember the trade union domination of NZ in 60,70,early 80s.
NZs should be afraid ,very afraid,as it will be back to the future.
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October 26, 2017 9:03am
- Nermal
  
  The first of her training tutorials.
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:39pm
dime

so old people lose their small increase in super and now it costs an extra 10 cents a litre to visit the grandkids?

the left – so goddam caring it hurts!
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October 26, 2017 9:06am
Brito

I started to look into the background of the new ‘Ministers’ and after the following two I gave up. It makes great reading if you’re interested in the history of committee representation in NZ or bed time fairy tales about the mythical land of Utopia.

Ron Mark – Apparently failed to be accepted into the SAS. Spat the dummy and became a mercenary for a Muslim army in the Middle East. This diesel mechanic is in charge of the officers and ‘other ranks’ of the armed services. Reminds me of a corporal who failed as an artist and lead some other armed services over in Europe.

Tracey Walker – Mixed up Christian, if you quote Christianity you can’t bow to the pagans – From her maiden speech. “I draw the attention of the House to the message of Corinthians 13, verse 11: “When I was a child, I talked like a child; I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.”

But also said, “I acknowledge the gods who created everything, mother Earth, Papatūānuku lying out there, and this House. Greetings to you, greetings to you, and greetings to you all. I stand beneath the cloak of our ancestors.”

Fuck me gently!!!!
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October 26, 2017 9:08am
- dime
  
  “Reminds me of a corporal who failed as an artist and lead some other armed services over in Europe.”
  
  lol
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:12am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Comrade,
    lol & kek will be added to tomorrows banned word list.
    back to work pleb, that is all.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      PDPRA, So we can prepare for possible “re-training” please spell out to the ‘Resistance’ the level of thumb screws to be used if unfortunate enough to be caught in the roundup of detractors?
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:22am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Comrade, I’m glad you asked.
        Thumbscrews are obsolete. Comrades-in-training will be required to watch the entire youtube catalog of Kristi Winters, Demotivator opinions, Kevin Logan and Chrisiousity.
        
        back to work pleb, that is all.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:59am
- mikenmild
  
  Who’s this Tracey Walker you’re on about?
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:12am
  - Brito
    
    Sorry Tracey Martin. I was crying at the time.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Brito , you were right the first time .
      
      Tracey Walker , Skywalker , or if Martin then Martian.
      
      She certainly doesn’t sound like she belongs on planet Earth with that “I acknowledge the gods who created everything, mother Earth, Papatūānuku lying out there, and this House. Greetings to you, greetings to you, and greetings to you all. I stand beneath the cloak of our ancestors.”
      
      Greetings Earthlings .
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:36am
      - mikenmild
        
        Doesn’t sound any more bizarre than this:
        
        Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and personal interests, we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true religion and justice, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:42am
    - MickMac
      
      laughter or fear 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2017 10:46am
      - Brito
        
        Hysteria.
        
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        October 26, 2017 12:26pm
- softail 1450
  
  Brito, Ron mark “not accepted in the sas” I’m surprised ,he’s such a little guy he could walk under barbed wire without stooping , he was a mechanic FFS he’s never heard a bullet whistle over his head ,his cv is all bullshit.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:12am
  - RF
    
    Hang on…. I thought Mark was a cook.
    
    The army mess at Linton Camp had a blackboard at the entrance with his name in chalk next to the title. Duty Cook.
    
    He did a mean “Toad in the Hole.”
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:16am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Euphemism?
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:42pm
      - RF
        
        Just realised why princess is pleased to have Mark the army Cook on board. His speciality dish is Toad in Hole. That’s a sausage in batter.
        
        That would sit well with her when she reflects on her business experience when she cooked hot dogs at the chippie. They can swap receipies.
        
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        October 26, 2017 2:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ron Mark is okay. He joined the Army as a 16-year-old and rose to be an officer.
    
    What’s wrong with being a mechanic in the Army? It’s better than being a PR in the Army. In NZ, unlike in some overseas services, such as the US Navy, our PRs tend to be commissioned from fuck-all background. Who gives ex-PRs in the armed services a hard time?
    
    As for Softail’s comment about Mark being a little guy – how relevant is that? Remember Audie Murphy, one of America’s most decorated soldiers of World War 2? He was too short to get into the US Marines. Think of the little Gurkhas, and of the short Japanese infantrymen who fought so hard on Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
    
    Mark later served in the Sultanate of Oman, in a support unit for the Oman army and its special forces.
    
    Apart from sniping at Mark’s Army service, there are pot shots at a blot when he was a kid. That doubtlessly will be outed yet again on Kiwiblog any time soon.
    
    It’s tough stuff to throw at someone, but I suspect some of the throwers were on the receiving end when Mark used Parliamentary privilege to to a bit of roasting himself. They should be careful unless they don’t dredge up that stuff.
    
    The SAS and its overseas equivalents are full of brave, fit, capable people, but there are many others in various armed services who warrant the admiration of civilians. The most obvious of these to me are the cool-brave types who defuse IEDs in Afghanistan, as they did earlier in Northern Ireland.
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:23pm
- treadingthemill
  
  “I acknowledge the gods who created everything, mother Earth, Papatūānuku lying out there, and this House. Greetings to you, greetings to you, and greetings to you all. I stand beneath the cloak of our ancestors.”
  
  As a Pagan myself I love that prayer. And this was from a Christian? My word times have changed!
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:14pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Ron Mark – says he went to officer training school – but as far as I know he was never commissioned. Maybe he thinks we don’t know the difference between NCO’s and fully commissioned guys – certainly never mentioned much about his further career in the army apart from the fact he left because he was deemed unsuitable for the SAS.
  
  Expect the Chiefs will be having a good old chuckle about his rather vague CV. How embarrassing for him when he finally has to front up to the guys who were real officers in their respective services and who are probably poring over his army records right now.
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They can be brutal. I got my fathers records and the marks and comments on all the exams he sat were in there.
    He achieved Lt. Colonel in the Territorials, everything was critiqued, suitability, potential, weaknesses etc.
    
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    October 26, 2017 3:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      Rachel
      I wonder . The brutality. I think the intent is what is key and I can’t answer to that.
      
      An officer has the lives of his men in his hands. Every decision he makes , in combat or in support of front line troops , may mean life or death , success or failure. Perhaps they were hard in theory in order to be good in the field?
      
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      October 26, 2017 5:28pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Absolutely, I couldn’t agree more, it was more a case of wondering how Ron Mark would fare if his records were read.
        My father was a school teacher, and a prolific ‘writer’, letters to the editor etc ‘in the day’.
        I would never have questioned his level of literacy, but the army did. I found it odd and yes harsh.
        I discussed the information with contemporary relatives, some of whom were teachers, they were surprised also. Just anecdotal.
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:59pm
oldgolfer

Took one for the team this morning and listened to Red Radio. It was a cornucopia of good news from newly anointed ministers eager to tell all what they proposed to do.
Fortunately, I confined myself to a modest breakfast.
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October 26, 2017 9:15am
DifferentPerspective

Spare a thought for Treasury

After 9 years in total ascendancy, they are now retired once again to “ideological burpers“. A unionist economist will be installed in Robertson’s office and every single piece of macro-economic advice from the wonks at Treasury will be torn to shreds as ‘wrongthink’.
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October 26, 2017 9:17am
Monique Watson

Fucking fuel tax and light rail.
Goff has been in ‘Cindar’s ear ear to open the public purse.
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October 26, 2017 9:30am
- Northland Wahine
  
  He’s would have been pouring the contents of the hive in there. I really am not keen on ex MPs becoming mayors for this very reason. Don’t care what side of the political fence they sit. Smacks of nepotism.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:29pm
waikatogirl

RIP Fats Domino. The New Orleans singer famous for great 50’s songs such as “Aint it a Shame” and “I found my thrill on Blueberry Hill”.

From my file of useless information: Ritchie Cunningham from Happy Days favourite song was I found my thrill on Blueberry Hill.
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October 26, 2017 9:36am
- Fletch
  
  Didn’t Fats refuse to leave his home during Katrina or something? I thought he died then, but he must have been OK.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:43am
Monique Watson

Don’t fall in the vat Mikenmild. And if Ardern’s not a Commie Chick, she’s so far left it hurts one’s eyeballs.
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October 26, 2017 9:43am
- mikenmild
  
  It might have passed you by, but the only actual communist in the New Zealand Parliament is Jain Yang.
  
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  October 26, 2017 9:54am
  - tom hunter
    
    Chinese Communism in 2017
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:31am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Good one, Mike! 😀
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:33am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Excellent work Comrade. Your diversionary skills are first class… you will also be mentioned in dispatches, Dear Leader is most proud of your dedication to the cause!
    
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    October 26, 2017 10:33am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Registered communist party ?
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:30pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s funny how these young Socialists sort of push aside the fact that Socialism has failed spectacularly everywhere it has been tried, and they think the other leaders involved just haven’t implemented it properly. Yeh, she’ll do it right. You’ll see…..
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    I wonder if Cinderella remembered her Idol was executed 50 years ago, four days ago, by his own supporters.
    Che Guevara. Viva Viva Che she cried.
    
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    October 26, 2017 3:57pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Is it true that Sue Bradford has plans to start up a new Political party and contest it at the next election? She and her mates are so far left, even more left than the Jacinda and her mates are.
  Sue should really bury that idea – absolutely no-one will vote for her policies…..
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:26pm
Manolo

The USA dodged a bullet. Crooked Hillary, corrupt to the last bone:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/clinton-campaign-dnc-helped-pay-for-work-on-dossier-about-russia-and-trump/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016865/A-YEAR-Clinton-lies-dirty-dossier-exposed.html
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October 26, 2017 9:46am
doggone7

Such doom and gloom! Fortunately there are those who would cheer us all up, put a smile on our faces.

Hopefully we all get told the time and place to see the spectacle but even the anticipation means we can forget that the End is Nigh with the Arden/Peters/Shaw show, even if for only a few brief moments.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936765
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October 26, 2017 10:05am
UrbanNeocolonialist

NZD trade weighted index down 7% since the election. Imported goods prices are going to start rising soon. All those Audi-buying leafy suburbs lefties are going to be miffed.
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October 26, 2017 10:11am
- KKKKatee
  
  Cost of goods and services will rise to cover such costs and that’s even before the minimum wage is hiked in April. Nice work Labour…….
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:23pm
- Paulus
  
  As will the imported price of fuel.
  Plus 10c, Plus GST in Auckland to be followed elsewhere.
  
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  October 26, 2017 3:59pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I understood 10 c not carved in stone, it could be more.
    
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    October 26, 2017 9:44pm
Simon

Fuel tax to build a rail link for Grey Lynn wankers to airport.

A tax on energy for the poor people of South Auckland who live next to the airport.
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October 26, 2017 10:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not to mention those in Howick, North Shore etc. who will never have a train anywhere near them.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:36pm
Jack5

Labour lifts Teina Pora’s compensation.

A New Zealand fairy tale: how to become a millionaire.

Take a child born with foetal alcohol syndrome. He is thick, has no real hopes in life, a prolific car thief as a teenager.

Teina Pora is interviewed about the rape and murder of a woman in her home. Here’s how Wikipedia recounts it:

After police told him there was a reward of $20,000 for assistance in capturing Susan Burdett’s murderer, Pora claimed he knew who committed the crime. He said he drove two Mongrel Mob members to the house and acted as lookout while they went inside.

Pora didn’t give the names of the Mongrel Mob members, but when police put two names to him, he went along with these suggestions. Later on, police determined the two Mongrel Mob members both had alibis and their DNA did not match that found in the body. The DNA came from Malcolm Rewa but police didn’t learn that until four years later.

After claiming he was at the scene, Pora was held for the next four days during which he was questioned about the case for 14 hours – without a lawyer. During the course of this drawn out interview, much of it recorded on video, he frequently changed his story about what happened.

After initially claiming he acted as a lookout for the two Mongrel Mob members, he later said he went into the house after “hearing noises and seeing the crimes being carried out”. Still later, he said he held Burdett down by the arms while the others raped her. Pora was subsequently charged with Burdett’s rape and murder.

In 1995, once Pora was in prison, he provided three more names to police after they offered him another $50,000 and said they would help when he came up for parole.

Pora is convicted on this confession, but after a second trial when semen found on the murdered woman’s body came from serial rapist Malcolm Rewa, Pora is again found guilty.

In 2015, the Privy Council in London quashed Pora’s conviction, apparently relying largely on the evidence of a forensic psychologist.

In June last year, the freed Pora gets $2.5 million compensation and a Government apology. But he wants more – adjustment for inflation – and now he gets it for the 20 years he spent in prison.

This is the fairy tale of a Welfare State. You may have the misfortune to be born backward, become a thief, and lie that you committed a serious crime.

You will spend 20 years in prison, but that will save you from a highly likely fate of booze, drugs, crime, and early death.

Eventually the justice system will make you a millionaire, and the grovelling media will have already made you Victim of the Year.

Unlike those who work and save and scrape for their old age, your pot of gold will be inflation protected.

Now go to sleep children, and pray thanks you were born in such an enlightened country, where it’s not always honest that pays. Remember, though, that it always pays to have a really good story ready for the police.
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October 26, 2017 10:49am
- JibberJabber
  
  Dunno where you are going with this one Jack, Pora spent 20 years in jail because of lazy police work and useless defense representation and as such has won the “justice” lottery.
  If the cops had told him to fuck off and stop wasting their time instead of taking the easy road to wipe a crime off their books, no doubt he would have been in and out of prison for other crimes in that 20 years, maybe the 2.5 mil works to to be the cheaper option for the long suffering taxpayer.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s the taxpayers who pick up the bill, not the police.
    
    The Teina Pora payout top-up is an ominous start by the new Minister of Justice, Andrew Little.
    
    He has other portfolios in which he can throw out taxpayer cash in lolly scrambles. Little is also: Minister for Courts, Minister responsible for the GCSB and SIS, and Minister for Treaty Negotiations.
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:03am
    - Paulus
      
      Heard that after his whanau had their dibs on it there is nothing left anyway.
      
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      October 26, 2017 4:01pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I want Pora to pay govt back for all the money they spent on keeping him in prison on the basis of his lies-for-money.
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A simple man, with previous associations with gangs, is given $2.5 million. His name is widely publicized in the media.
  
  What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:40am
  - Inandout
    
    Oh but it does feel good that our money has been earmarked for payment to Pora by the Hydra.
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:58am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      We are all the pora for it.
      
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      October 26, 2017 12:21pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    $2.5 million won’t buy much soon.
    
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    October 26, 2017 1:34pm
- flipper
  
  We are entitled to expect that Police and Crown Law people will all act with integrity, and honesty of purpose, at all times. What we have is a mental retard being knowingly fitted by the Crown for a crime he did not commit. In fairness he did, the poor fool, do his best to aid his convictions. But if we were the State of Texas….. ?
  More than 100 years ago W S Churchill reminded the H o Coms that a nation is judged by the fairness and integrity of its legal system, and treatment of those accused by the Crown.
  For those reasons I agree with Little’s public statement on this. I doubt that I will find any other issue for favourable comment. But I want to be surprised!
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:07pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  We are all going to be millionaires soon.
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:35pm
JibberJabber

LoL, the honeymoon lasted as long as a MAFS wedding, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936852
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October 26, 2017 10:53am
- Rich Prick
  
  You have to laugh at those Aucklanders who are grumpy about the new tax, what did they expect? Ticking red, green or black has consequences.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:47am
- cmm
  
  And it is going to hit poorer South Aucklanders the hardest since they have further to travel.
  
  Poor saps went and signed up for these muppets because of all the promises of hand outs.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:15pm
- Fletch
  
  Uhuh, and what about the 5 other taxes Labour will be introducing? We told potential Labour voters all this before the election but maybe they thought Labour was just kidding and wouldn’t do it? Idiots. They knew beforehand.
  
  National’s tax cuts vs Labour’s half a dozen new taxes… duhhhh
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:48pm
  - itstricky
    
    National’s tax cuts vs Labour’s half a dozen new taxes… duhhhh
    
    You’d be equally stupid to think that there weren’t any consequences from tax cuts.
    
    Believe it or not, there are people out there who say “I don’t mind contributing X if it means Y is fixed” and don’t just go “what pure monetary outcome is in it for me?”
    
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    October 26, 2017 1:04pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      And yet, itstricky, they can go and make a special payment to the IRD for just that purpose – or even donate to a charity.
      
      But those sort of people don’t, they want it fixed….with other people paying. That’s why they’re leftists – all “care”, no responsibibility.
      
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      October 26, 2017 2:14pm
RF

I see the Labour MP Megan Wood is now being addressed as… Dr. Megan Wood.

She is making rash promises concerning sorting out EQC and insurance companies so it will be interesting to see what happens.
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October 26, 2017 10:55am
- Jack5
  
  A Ph. D. in history about to sort out the international insurance industry.
  
  This when world re-insurers are getting edgy about NZ earthquakes and becoming more aware the country sits on the edge of a tectonic plate, and with other specific threats, such as the Taupo super volcano, and the biggest city, Auckland sitting on a field of volcanoes.
  
  Good luck Dr Wood.
  
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  October 26, 2017 11:06am
  - Jack5
    
    Anyone looking to fill in an hour or two, can read Wood’s Ph. D. thesis online.
    
    It’s title: Integrating the Nation: Gendering Maori Urbanisation and Integration, 1942-1969
    
    Plenty of feminist chapters in it.
    
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    October 26, 2017 11:14am
    - mikenmild
      
      Never mind, Jack. If she weren’t in Parliament, she would probably be on a $600,000 Marsden Fund grant to extend her research through the decades following 1969..
      
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      October 26, 2017 11:28am
KevOB

Cliqz Browser

Have just found and adopted this new browser.

Fastest I have used, privacy and Firefox friendly. A German product.

See it here: cliqz.com/en/
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October 26, 2017 11:15am
- Fletch
  
  Interesting. I may have to give it a try. Have you tried Brave browser? The CEO is Brendan Eich who was briefly CEO at Mozilla/Firefox but because of an online campaign he was fired just because he donated $1000 years ago to ‘Proposition 8’ which sought to keep marriage legally only between a man and a woman in California. That enraged the liberals and they couldn’t have that, even though he had never had any bias toward gay people he worked with.
  
  https://www.brave.com/
  
  The only issue that prevents me from trying new browsers is that I have quite a few plugins I use with Chrome all the time.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:58pm
Manolo

Another African paradise:
https://apnews.com/5cdd1682f326464f9e0108e3aba712fb

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, was evacuated from a U.N. camp for displaced people in South Sudan on Wednesday because of a demonstration against President Salva Kiir, witnesses said.

South Sudan plunged into civil war in late 2013, and the country faces mass displacement, starvation and allegations of government corruption and war crimes. More than 2 million people have fled the country.
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October 26, 2017 11:24am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes its always the leaders in these shit holes that start the fighting.
  The actual people just want to get on with their lives and get some food and water.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:07pm
- cmm
  
  South Sudan’s UN compound is within the airport precinct. One minute ride in an armoured vehicle gets you from your bedroom onto a plane.
  
  15,000 UN troops on the ground to guard them.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:19pm
- realityczech
  
  They are clearly not into the Black Lives Matter nonsense, which is refreshing.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:30pm
Surely Knott

I was looking into a Local Government contract with an incoporated society and a local board member is the manager, but with incorporated societies you can opt to not declare the trustees or disclose your financial accounts and so this organisation has chosen not to. I think this is wrong and would like to see Societies have to publish their accounts and trustees especially if they receive any public money. The Local Board Member also declares he is a trustee of a charity. That charity has had $15million dollars of council revenue, but has failed to publish accounts for 2 years and the last accounts they filed were unsigned, unaudited and incomplete. When the issue was raised with Council said they weren’t concerned and I got the brush off.
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October 26, 2017 11:52am
- rangitoto
  
  The charities commission should be looking into it if they have failed to report for two years. From the charity services website:
  
  “Annual Returns
  
  The Charities Act 2005 requires all charities registered with Charities Services to file an Annual Return within 6 months of their balance date (financial year end). ”
  
  It doesn’t say what the penalties are if any but failing for two years they should be shown the door at least.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:14pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yep. Tried them. Nothing happens. They take at least three years before they talk deregistration. And then the missing accounts don’t get published. And the trustees walk off wihtout consequence. Also, in the case i was looking at the last set of accounts are “in” even though they are incomplete and not audited as required.
    
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    October 26, 2017 12:23pm
Hugh Pavletich

Is Jacinda Ardern also a fake ? … Housing & Holes … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/jacinda-ardern-also-fake/

… Pavletich comments on thread … starting …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/jacinda-ardern-also-fake/#comment-2986384
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October 26, 2017 12:04pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  When are those in the National Party going to wake up and remind the new Labour Government of this ? …
  
  Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
  
  … and ask why low and light Rolleston coped better than the dense old dump of the former Christchurch Central … for just some of these reasons I outlined way back mid 2011 …
  
  OPINION: Hugh Pavletich accuses Christchurch City Council of blindness, blunders and chain dragging; calls for effective leadership, ‘open land’ policy and bendy zoning. Your view? … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53947/opinion-hugh-pavletich-accuses-christchurch-city-council-blindness-blunders-and-chain-
  
  … with screeds of other stuff via this mid 2012 article …
  
  Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:57pm
  - flipper
    
    Hughie…
    You know, as do most informed folk that, pre the election, Twyford and others in the Peters/Ardern regime, lied though their protruding teeth. Now he has no option but to become relatively honest. No matter, when the House resumes his feet will be held to the fire!
    BTW Hughie….
    When you be taking up Twyford’s job offer???
    
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    October 26, 2017 1:23pm
    - sooty
      
      Sooner the better, then he will be too busy to post here. Snoot in the trough as well as Bellamy’s.
      
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      October 26, 2017 2:08pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Great to get rid of the Tory trash.
        
        Politically … that’s progress !
        
        Losers.
        
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        October 26, 2017 2:32pm
      - stigie
        
        “Tosser”
        
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        October 26, 2017 3:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Has a search party been organised to find National Party ‘values’ ?
        
        Jacinda Ardern’s new government sworn in | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98242220/jacinda-arderns-new-government-sworn-in
        
        … concluding …
        
        … (Former Prime Minister Bill) English would now be the leader of the Opposition.
        
        Late on Wednesday night, English sent a letter to his supporters saying the final election result was “of course disappointing”, but it was important to accept the election result “which is entirely legitimate under MMP”.
        
        “The job now is to pick ourselves up and begin the fight again for the values we all believe in.”
        
        English was re-elected as leader of the National Party on Tuesday and planned to hold the post until the 2020 election. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        National Party ‘values’ cannot be found at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … particularly within the sections …
        
        1. VIDEO … John Key – Housing Reform – 2007
        2. The 5 Important Graphs
        3. The GONE GONE GOING (now the GONE GONE GONE) section
        
        ‘Can – kicking’ and ‘cronyism’ are not values.
        
        Crony Chronicles: I Want To Be A Crony – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aO9tA5DWJM
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:04pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Sydney apartment market has cracked … The Australian
    
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/robert-gottliebsen/sydney-apartment-has-cracked/news-story/08de0a7afc89b20bea91b87eebc0a7d9
    
    Significant parts of the Sydney apartment market and the associated apartment land markets have cracked and are now suffering serious falls.
    
    The level of decline is much greater than most were predicting three to six months ago. The repercussions of what has happened in Sydney will quickly spread to Melbourne, although the blows may not be as severe in the southern capital because apartments are already much cheaper than Sydney. Brisbane is already in trouble so may be insulated from further big falls.
    
    On an off-the-record basis one of the most influential property analysts in Sydney is forecasting that the building rate of apartments in the city is set to fall by at least 50 per cent which will have a severe downward flow on to economic activity in Australia’s biggest city. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Access further information … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
    
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    October 26, 2017 1:49pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Canadian house prices drop most in seven years … MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/canadian-house-prices-drop-seven-years/
      
      Via Better Dwelling:
      
      Canadian real estate prices may be softening. Numbers from Teranet show that home prices generally declined across the country in September. This decline is led by a drop in prices around the Greater Toronto Area, extending through the Greater Golden Horseshoe. Although not all markets saw decline. Vancouver is once again leading the 11 city composite index in monthly price gains. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      October 26, 2017 2:53pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Watch New Zealand’s new Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in this video …
    
    Labour’s non-resident foreigner house buying ban already being worked on, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says; Mini-Budget with parts of Labour’s 100-day plan might be on its way | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90562/labours-non-resident-foreigner-house-buying-ban-already-being-worked-prime-minister
    
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    October 26, 2017 5:42pm
    - starboard
      
      Hughs pissed again everybody.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:11pm
Digmen1

Its going to be fun to see how many houses are built each year for the next few years as Labour is going to start slowly.
By the time they get going, they will be even further behind.
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October 26, 2017 12:08pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  KiwiBuild as it is currently envisaged is a complete nonsense.
  
  Note my comments on the MacroBusiness Au article thread above … drawing on the Cheistchurch Council, central government, Fletchers example here in Sydnaham .
  
  The whole idea needs a serious revamp … fast. it will be teir political Waterloo if they dont.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:24pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Hugh I actually am looking forward to you turning your zeal on Twyford. I hope he listens to you mayte.
    
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    October 26, 2017 3:22pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      UpandComing … Thanks for the comments.
      
      I hope too that they don’t lapse in to the previous Governments arrogance and dumbness.
      
      They will be acutely aware … perform or perish !
      
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      October 26, 2017 3:32pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Do you get the point that Hugh is completely non-partisan? You bet he will turn the acid on Twyford if he doesn’t perform. Hugh was blaming Helen Clark and her ideological colleagues including in the Councils, while it was clearly her responsibility. Presumably had he posted here in those days, he would have got upticked.
      
      His fury at NINE YEARS of SNAFU incompetence and betrayal by John Key National, who should have known better, is understandable, justified, and shared by me.
      
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      October 26, 2017 3:45pm
- stigie
  
  “By the time they get going”
  
  NZs would have left for Aussie to which Labour would claim they have fixed the housing crisis !~
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:07pm
rightoverlabour

I am very happy I live in New Zealand, where we still have freedom of speech…..

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/25/dislike-unfriendliness-hate-crimes-uk-police-confirm/
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October 26, 2017 12:23pm
Wayne1749

Can someone please enlighten me about the way child poverty is measured. Apparently it relates to the number of children living with families on less than 60% of the median income.

Because this is obviously a relative measure, does this mean that the only way to permanently eliminate child poverty, as it is currently measured, is to discourage low-income families from having children????

Surely child poverty should be measured by objective tangible items that are lacking, such as lack of access to good schooling, not being fed wholesome nutritious meals etc….

Or have I missed something here?
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October 26, 2017 12:26pm
- mandk
  
  No, you haven’t missed anything.
  
  The relative income measure of child poverty is utterly stupid.
  
  You could double all incomes and make people materially better off, but leave relative poverty unchanged.
  
  Equally, you could increase relative poverty, but leave material poverty unchanged.
  
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  October 26, 2017 12:43pm
- stigie
  
  You can bet your last dollar in a years time,Liarbour would have changed the word “poverty” to hardship.
  There will no such thing as poverty under Liarbour !~
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:12pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Honest response? Fucked if I know.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:11pm
MH

Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
I am tired of going undercover, when will you release our Gt Leaders 5 year plan ? Is it true a purge is coming ?
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October 26, 2017 12:32pm
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Comrade, about that day or hour no one knows, not even the coalition partners, nor your humble comrade, but only Dear Leader.
  
  It seems you are dissatisfied with your current work assignment… would you like a different assignment, away from the heat and sun perhaps?
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:24pm
Inandout

Have they access to a mobile or computer?
Do they travel overseas annually?
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October 26, 2017 12:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know whether Penny’s bludging mate in Glen Innes actually got arseholed from ‘her’ house yet?
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October 26, 2017 12:40pm
MH

I understand that some of the yet to be planted Pine Tree seedlings have been allocated to her for her proposed new replacement home.
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October 26, 2017 1:01pm
Right of way is Way of Right

This petrol tax in Auckland is an absolute joke.

Listening to Twit-ford on the radio this morning, talking about rail links out west and to the Airport, and apparently I have to help pay for it? Why?

I live in Whangaparaoa. I work in Devonport. I have to be at work by 8.00 am.

The journey planner that is the least inconvenient to me will ensure that, should I elect to take public transport, I will be spending over $300.00 a month, assuming that I make all my multiple connections, (3 busses in the morning, two busses and a ferry from Devonport to Auckland in the evening FFS!), all so I can leave home before 6 every morning and get home after 6 every night. Should I wish to run any form of errand to or from work, as I often do, that will be impossible. A time saving 5 or so minutes out of my way, or a simple lunchtime back visit will be nigh on impossible.

There are no transport enhancements available to anyone who lives north of the bridge! Unless a sudden change of heart extending the dedicated bus lanes to Silverdale or Orewa is planned.

I have the joy of driving through two of the most congested roadways in Auckland DAILY, being Whangaparaoa Road, and Lake Road, Devonport.

If any of my petrol tax was going there, I’d be happy, but it isn’t, so I’m not!
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October 26, 2017 1:15pm
- starboard
  
  Move away then.
  Just sayin.
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:56pm
  - Brito
    
    How far do you recommend? Your sage wisdom and pith is needed more and more!!!
    
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    October 26, 2017 2:03pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Sadly, due to the nature of my employment, my ability to choose my place of residence is somewhat curtailed.
    
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    October 26, 2017 2:55pm
    - rangitoto
      
      You could become a goatherd, or grow mung beans. I believe the Greens are still allowing those activities.
      
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      October 26, 2017 3:18pm
Brito

I thought I’d have another look at some more of our new leaders and see what skills they bring to the table. Ok I thought, what’s a challenging portfolio. Health I thought!

So I see we have Dr. David Clark in the position of Minister of Health. Ok, at least he may be an expert from the profession. That’s ok by me!

But…on further investigation I find that he is a Dr. of Divinity. That is, religion or healing by miracles. Ok, breath deeply (brown paper bag inhale-exhale inhale…) Maybe he’s bringing experience to the role because of his links to the poor and their afflictions.

Left school, went to Uni, went to another Uni overseas, came back went to Uni, went to Church for three years then straight into Labours ranks.

Sound of weeping could be heard from Brito’s room.
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October 26, 2017 1:25pm
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Comrade Brito,
  Rest assured that the minister will not actually be making important, brave policy decisions. That is the purview of Dear Leader.
  
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  October 26, 2017 1:34pm
  - Brito
    
    And that’s meant to cheer me up??
    
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    October 26, 2017 2:02pm
    - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
      
      Comrade, your request for re education is being fast-tracked.
      Stay where you are, as a re education commissar will be with you at their earliest convenience.
      
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      October 26, 2017 2:07pm
- MH
  
  as a deviner he can sniff Natural gas at a distance of 3′ (imperial)
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:10pm
Ross12

Don’t they have a Minister of Labour any more? Looking at David’s list he put up yesterday it seems to be missing. I’d like to know who is going to be responsible for introducing Labour’s industrial relations policy.
Maybe they are outsourcing it to the Union paymasters.
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October 26, 2017 1:28pm
Manolo

Amazing and almost complete silence among the MSM hacks now that the connection between Hillary’s DNC and the Russians has been established.

CNN, the home of fake news, has gone silent on the matter.
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October 26, 2017 1:47pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Manolo, that’s because it’s all Baloney, or Bologna, or something. And that must be true because Hillary told me so !
  
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  October 26, 2017 2:27pm
  - Manolo
    
    Even our host DPF, a staunch anti-Trump blogger, has not published a single line yet on Hillary’s crookedness.
    
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    October 26, 2017 2:40pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Hillary did not have text with those Russians Manolo! 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2017 3:15pm
KKKKatee

A week on from the annointment of the new PM, she’s demonstrating that she has form when it comes to u-turns on policy etc. or, in other words, she’s telling porkies. By the time 3 years is up, it would be great to review all those u-turns – I haven’t got time to keep a record, but it would be great if someone had the drive to do so. So, her promises of ‘transparency’ have fallen well and truly flat and it’s only 24 hours since the documents were signed. I think the nickname of “Flipper” is well and truly apt under the circumstances. She changes the narrative alarmingly often. How can anyone have confidence in her to sail a steady ship? It appears that ship has already struck bumpy waters…….
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October 26, 2017 2:19pm
sooty

Are the people who rent state houses going to be forced to pay for all the damage they do. Whats the amount of money that is owing at that moment and what is Labour doing to recover this.
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October 26, 2017 2:22pm
RF

Next time my wife and I head off overseas with all our suitcases I am not looking forward to piling into a tram to get to the airport.

Whose bright idea was that !!!!!!
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October 26, 2017 3:12pm
Manolo

Two excellent articles on AGW:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/climate-excuses/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/just-another-hoax/
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October 26, 2017 3:35pm
- PhilBest
  
  Indeed!
  
  I recommend following James Delingpole: his latest is this:
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/24/delingpole-now-400-scientific-papers-in-2017-say-global-warming-is-a-myth/
  
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  October 26, 2017 3:37pm
- Brito
  
  My question about this piece of bullshit (not your excellent articles Manolo) is where has the money gone?
  
  The other question is, if you are allowed to continue to pollute but can pay for a credit, and you follow these whacko’s irrefutable facts, and believe them, then nothing changes in the world of pollution other than a lot of people are poorer and a few people have made a shit load of money. So who will call this for what it is…fraud?
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:02pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Nicola Scafetta
  ROFLMAO
  Even the cranks at WUWT think he is a nutter .
  http://archive.is/N6hit
  Scafetta has been practicing astrology and passing it off as science for at lest a decade.
  You really do have stinky feet brains manolo .
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:21pm
Fletch

In a new story on 1 News this morning, “experts” are saying that climate change will affect the mental health of New Zealanders. *sigh*
They interviewed some woman with a bowl haircut who looked like a possum caught in the headlights who assured us it was all very serious.

With the Greens in charge of the climate portfolio we’re going to be getting more of this crap.
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October 26, 2017 4:00pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Her bowl haircut would have affected her own mental health.
  
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  October 26, 2017 10:14pm
Manolo

The brown stuff hits the fan:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-clinton-dnc-aides-largely-silent-on-funding-of-trump-russia-dossier/2017/10/25/9651d13a-b9af-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.31cb8ab8529b

Hillary Clinton and top officials of her presidential campaign were largely silent Wednesday in response to the revelation that the campaign and the Democratic National Committee had paid for research that resulted in a dossier alleging Russian interference on behalf of Donald Trump in the 2016 election.

Neither Clinton nor her campaign manager, Robby Mook, responded to requests for comment Wednesday. Campaign chair John Podesta declined to comment beyond referring reporters to a statement issued the previous day by the campaign’s law firm saying officials had not been aware of the arrangement.
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October 26, 2017 4:09pm
- Ross12
  
  The interesting part Manolo is the Washington Post is continuing to push it ( obviously they are not alone –it is others who have done the digging).
  The WP clearly knows where this is going to end up and they do not want any brown stuff on their faces.
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:25pm
  - Manolo
    
    While CNN, the home of fake news, keeps a very convenient and discrete silence. 😀
    
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    October 26, 2017 4:35pm
  - waripori
    
    You could be overreacting slightly.
    The story has come from a letter from the Clinton campaign law firm confirming to an enquiry that they took over the funding to Fusion of the Investigation into Trump Russia links which had been originated by one of Trump’s primary opponents, as yet unnamed. Once Trump had the nomination Fusions original client had no interest in the work any longer so they approached the only other possibility. It is hardly surprising that the Clinton campaign would agree. The campaign have released the Law Firm from the client attorney privilege and have urged any other earlier clients of Fusion to do the same.
    Nothing here suggests the Clinton campaign had any contact with Russia. Quite the reverse if they had to pay a spy to dig things up rather than just asking the Kremlin for the details.
    
    There may be something in the Uranium thing somewhere, even though it is years ago. Not much to this except to confirm that Politics can be a grubby business.
    
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    October 26, 2017 5:14pm
    - Ross12
      
      You are right waripori , that it was original started by a Rino ( Trump is saying that he thinks he knows who the person is). This is by the far smaller issue.
      
      The Uranium deal and specifically what went on before it happened and who was involved is the much bigger deal.
      
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      October 26, 2017 5:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Cornering the uranium market to Russia’s advantage is treason surely?
  
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  October 26, 2017 6:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Clinton supporters are filth and should be shown no consideration. The US needs to bring its military home to deal with those vermin so that decent people can live peacefully and productively.
  
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  October 26, 2017 6:34pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Antifa bullshit starts on Nov 4th so they say. Most republicans are more worried about the expiry date of their bottle of milk.
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:44pm
  - realityczech
    
    Trump supporters don’t kill people or try and shut down freedom of expression.
    
    You can be as left as you like, just don’t harm property, or people, or undermine our liberal Western society.
    
    Islamists and Clinton/Obama supporters seek to do both. But only one of them receive the appropriate response.
    
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    October 26, 2017 7:28pm
    - fernglas
      
      “Trump supporters don’t kill people”. Ahem.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:35pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  There are a lot of ‘suicide notes’ in the bottom left draw of Hillary’s desk.
  Not emails, hand written notes by those still alive
  
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  October 26, 2017 6:47pm
starboard

…and so it begins

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/98164345/auckland-regional-fuel-tax-confirmed-to-fund-27-billion-in-transport-infrastructure
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October 26, 2017 4:34pm
- Brito
  
  Right then.
  
  Where do those people who park on this road go now?
  
  One lane of traffic down the road. Really?
  
  What happens when the traffic backs up and then pushes out onto the tracks and stops the trolleys?
  
  And, and…
  
  Might join you in Thailand.
  
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  October 26, 2017 4:58pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I am undecided. Thailand or Alaska. The commie socialists have started their shit on day one of being in control
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:31pm
    - MCos
      
      If New Zealand’s new administration has you that worked up there’s no way you’ll be able to live under the authoritarian rule prevalent in Thailand.
      
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      October 26, 2017 9:09pm
Wayne1749

In the same NZ Herald article:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11937097

“Forming a ministry is a delicate job but Jacinda Ardern made it look easy. Navigating her way through hierarchies, talent, egos…. she has done a remarkable job in balancing those in her ministerial appointments and has come up with a very credible ministry”

Then almost in the same breath:

“The one criticism that could be made is that everything was a bit too predictable, with no big surprises….Any shocks were few and far between, with Labour’s ministers largely tasked with handling portfolios they had already worked on in opposition”

WTF? So it was a ‘delicate’ job in forming a ministry, a ‘remarkable’ job….yet it is all too ‘predictable’?

Is that not a contradiction?
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October 26, 2017 4:51pm
- softail 1450
  
  Wayne ,get fricking used to it,we’ve got three years of this smelly shit to look forward to.
  
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  October 26, 2017 5:44pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not when it is Labour, they can (promise) do many and great things
  
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  October 27, 2017 11:52am
sooty

Someone going to be sullen!
Will Micheal Cullen, have to hand back his knighthood now I wonder?
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October 26, 2017 5:20pm
sooty

Pike river relatives except Angry as pike river minister. I hope they all go hopping and skipping down the drift.
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October 26, 2017 5:26pm
sooty

How much fuel excise tax could be saved if Penny payed her rates?
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October 26, 2017 5:29pm
softail 1450

I have just watched arderns victory speech after peters handed power to her, she was carrying on as if she had just crushed national with a landslide win.
is this what we are going to have to swallow for three fucking years ,lies,bullshit,turd polishing,and press releases from our complient slaves in the press gallery ?
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October 26, 2017 5:39pm
- Jack5
  
  And Radio NZ’s web site reflects the rapture with this heading:
  
  Jacinda Ardern addresses adoring crowd after being sworn in as PM
  
  Radio NZ and TVNZ will outfawn each other as they compete to get Labour lolly-scramble money for new TV channels (yes, Radio NZ wants to get into TV and be the State internet news hub, as well as being the State voice in steam radio.)
  
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  October 26, 2017 5:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    Good point Jacobus. RNZ will try extra hard to promote Labour to save their arses.
    
    Mind you the entire public service has done that for years under National. Which is the number one reason I could not commit treason and vote for them this time.
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    “The First 100 days, mini-budget, 100 days of action from Labour” … yep TVNZ is going to fight to get those extra TV channels.
    
    Meanwhile, the Maori Wars simmer … Hone Harawira calls out Willie Jackson for a one-on-one debate.
    
    Perhaps Bill English can arrange a shipment of muskets to Harawira.
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:07pm
    - sooty
      
      That’ll be great watching hone spitting and foaming. Popcorn needed by bucket.
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:27pm
- realityczech
  
  “is this what we are going to have to swallow for three fucking years ,lies,bullshit,turd polishing,and press releases”
  
  You swallowed it for 9 years, 3 more won’t hurt.
  
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  October 26, 2017 6:01pm
  - Harriet
    
    Spot on!
    
    National made the claim they were a ‘hands off government’ ………in other words……..National never had a narrative to carry the public with them………so they instead spent their entire term[s] in government responding to every claim the left made…….child poverty…..housing unaffordability……..income inequality…….wealth inequality……..sugar tax……smoking restrictions ……alcohol restrictions…..a left narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    and all that has lead to where National and the country are now……..blaming Winston and MMP…… the same old National cop out position!!!
    
    National a ‘center right’ party? —- BULLSHIT!!!!
    
    You all need to grow up as Redbaiter, myself and others have stopped saying to you long ago. 😎
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:25pm
    - realityczech
      
      Harriet how is the gay-marriage to Red going anyway ?
      
      What would Jesus think ?
      
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      October 26, 2017 6:37pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Redbaiter, myself and others”…..
      
      The coalition of the impotent, insane & terminally bewildered! 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2017 6:38pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Harriet really likes her exclamation marks. Who is Redbaiter?
        
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        October 26, 2017 6:43pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Who is Redbaiter?”…..
        
        Harriet’s ex. She loved the taste of his manliness. 🙂
        
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        October 26, 2017 6:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Red was a progressive gay rights campaigner who used to troll KB big time. He settled down and disappeared, after the marriage reforms. He now lives happily with Harriet. They are still hoping to make a baby.
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:01pm
      - nasska
        
        And I thought I had the pot well stirred. 🙂
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:05pm
      - Harriet
        
        As the generals say “When you are coping that much flak – you are right on target!”
        
        Speaking of ‘being gay’ :
        
        National voters: Banana Smoothie Republicans complaining about Banana Republicans! 😎
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        It is not often we get love stories on KB nasska. I am very happy for them both.
        
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        October 26, 2017 7:11pm
Jack5

Global warming on TVNZ!

Latest threat reported from Climate Change: new diseases forecast for NZ (presumably malaria, dengue fever, leprosy, even hook worm and syphilis-immunising yaws).

NZ thus needs “to build resilience” into the population. Work-life balance and good thinking are some of the revolutionary approaches being advocated.

Perhaps global warming believers should instead just advise us plebs to think of the advantages: cheap bananas, pineapples in the back yard, chocolate from Northland cocoa pods, home-grown nose candy, orange groves in Southland, siestas ….
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October 26, 2017 6:20pm
- realityczech
  
  Calm down Jacobus.
  
  Cold and damp is killing more Kiwis than warm weather.
  
  In properly warm countries you only need clothes and a house for modesty. We could live in straw huts at around $40 a unit and have a small fortune invested earning interest. Interest at around 18% now Commie Chick is leading us.
  
  You really need to cheer up 🙂
  
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  October 26, 2017 6:41pm
  - nasska
    
    And when Labour with the Greens legalise marijuana we will be able to grow some of the finest strains of sativa in our new frost free, sub tropical NZ climate.
    
    Sucks to be a conservative. 🙂
    
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    October 26, 2017 6:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      They were smoking up a storm outside parliament today. A senior cop, with silver ferns all over his hat, walked past them at lunch with not so much as a glance.
      
      Later they were blowing bubbles [sic] on Lampton Quay and were too wasted to make much noise.
      
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      October 26, 2017 7:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    ? I like the Kea Konsultants’ solution (in the 6.41 post) to the Auckland housing shortage – climate change, then:
    
    We could live in straw huts at around $40 a unit.
    
    ⛏ Re-open the coal mines, bring back coal-fired ranges and coal-burners for living rooms, open up the Southland lignite reserves, harness off-shore gas.
    
    Push up carbon emissions for warmth, and build for Aucklanders these economic homes designed by traditional African architects:
    
    https://www.pinterest.nz/WeetaK/african-traditional-huts/
    
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    October 26, 2017 7:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      Jacobus you have become smarter. Has your boyfriend logged into your account again ?
      
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      October 26, 2017 7:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Jacobus???
        
        That’s Kristallnacht stuff from the 1930s, RC.
        
        Next you will want to inspect posters’ dicks to see if they have been circumcised (or for other nefarious reasons).
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        Where are you, RealityCzech?
        
        Have you just ~~flown~~ ducked out for a meal, or has someone put a rug over your cage for the whole evening?
        
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        October 26, 2017 8:23pm
starboard

Another of maoris finest.
Perpetual scum.
Hang ’em high.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11911136
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October 26, 2017 6:41pm
- realityczech
  
  “Rollie Heke to face three charges of attempted murder”
  
  Failed three times. Is that a record ?
  
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  October 26, 2017 7:23pm
  - softail 1450
    
    RC,,,he “didndonuffin” according to his whanau.
    
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    October 27, 2017 6:24am
Manolo

Will President Trump achieve tax reform?
http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/25/republicans-make-one-last-push-for-unity-on-taxes/
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October 26, 2017 8:06pm
Fletch

Well this is good news. Way back when, Obama’s DOJ placed a gag order on an FBI informant at the center of the Uranium One Clinton/Russia bribery scandal. Now that has been lifted and he can testify before Congress. Hillary and Obama must be shaking in their boots.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/justice-department-provides-fbi-uranium-one-informant-to-congress.html

I hope they have this guy under armed guard is all so that nothing ‘accidental’ happens to him.
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October 26, 2017 8:07pm
- Fletch
  
  Hannity interviews the informant’s lawyer.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXcbqcibGc
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:21pm
- softail 1450
  
  fletch,,,,it shows how stupid some NZ folk are to down tick your post, this is going to make watergate look like a kindergarten child being caught saying “fuck”.
  
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  October 27, 2017 6:28am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Much more likely it will be like all the other Clinton “scandals”.
    A load of rubbish feed to the gullible idiots who get their reality from faux news.
    
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    October 27, 2017 7:31am
Manolo

Scum at large:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/teenagers-arrested-after-paknsave-brawl/ar-AAu3UQk?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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October 26, 2017 8:14pm
- Jack5
  
  I notice in the report you link to, Manolo, that one of the thugs will get the wet-bus-ticket slap:
  
  A 17-year-old boy has been charged with assault and disorder, while an 18-year-old has been referred to the Community Justice Panel, police said.
  
  What is a Community Justice Panel? How do you get on one? What penalties can they impose?
  
  Not so long ago, some teenagers lied so that they could fight and perhaps die for their country. Now some bleeding hearts want them taken out of the justice system and treated like children until they are 20.
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:21pm
- GoVege
  
  You notice it was the MEAT section.
  Further evidence of the harmful effects of consuming meat… 🙂
  
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  October 26, 2017 8:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    ? GoVege, do vegans and vegetarians have the equivalent term for what some male carnivores and omnivores call “beating the meat”?
    
    Perhaps “kneading the loaf”?
    
    Or does a non-meat diet curtail adolescents’ solitary urges?
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:35pm
    - nasska
      
      Yes Jack.
      
      It’s known as “flicking the bean”. 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2017 8:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        You may want to look up “toss the salad” old chap!
        
        1) To lick, and pleasure the anus
        2) To mix chopped up marijuana with chopped up hash bricks.
        3) To mix various vegetables, beans, pastas or fruits into a single dish.
        
        GoVege will be disappointed that vegetables don’t get a mention until 3!
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:34pm
      - nasska
        
        Out of the options I feel that number #2 shows the most promise Nostra. 🙂
        
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        October 26, 2017 9:39pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Jack and the bean….?
        
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        October 26, 2017 10:55pm
  - nasska
    
    Meat!
    
    Because no great story started with someone eating a salad. 🙂
    
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    October 26, 2017 8:35pm
Rachael Membery

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98242220/jacinda-arderns-new-government-sworn-in

Should I be encouraged that all of NZ First’s MP’s made oath on the bible?
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October 26, 2017 9:10pm
Jack5

Those who voted for NZ First, or even for Labour, because they thought National was too weak on immigration are shown to have been conned – and shown on the first day of the new Government.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11937227
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October 26, 2017 10:59pm
Manolo

Another one bites the dust:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/media/mark-halperin-sexual-harassment-allegations/index.html
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October 27, 2017 7:00am
Manolo

The NZD is weak and worth 0.6839 USD at the moment. Is that what the venal Mr Peters wanted?
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