General Debate 23 October 2017

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CJames

There is a scandal brewing at the World Health Organisation, even greater than the one where they appointed Robert Mugabe a goodwill ambassador, until they had to rescind that when the firestorm started.
Recently, a committee of WHO, the IARC, said that Roundup was probably carcinogenic. It turned out they did this by totally rewriting the report, supressing all evidence that it wasn’t. There wasn’t any evidence that it was carcinogenic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-who-iarc-glyphosate-specialreport/in-glyphosate-review-who-cancer-agency-edited-out-non-carcinogenic-findings-idUSKBN1CO251
Then it turned out that the man who did the report (who had no expertise in the subject) had a secret agreement to be paid to be an expert for litigation against Roundup manufacturers
https://risk-monger.com/2017/10/13/greed-lies-and-glyphosate-the-portier-papers/
It is no surprise that Mr Browning of the Green party supported the IARC findings. There were also a number of University public health people who also supported it and attacked NZ EPA which rubbished the IARC report.
https://sciblogs.co.nz/public-health-expert/2017/08/16/environmental-protection-glyphosate/
Those academics seem to have gone very silent, perhaps thinking no-one will know about it. They should know the internet never forgets, unless the EU helps them.
Imagine if it was a bad company (like big tobacco) who had done this. The papers would be howling for blood. Why the difference? Noble cause corruption?
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October 23, 2017 8:01am
- PhilBest
  
  Of course Roundup paid you to write that! It can’t possibly be true about a noble organisation like the WHO!
  You can’t penetrate the shell of people in the SJW, “evil private sector, angelic public sector” complex – including, unfortunately, most of the MSM.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:22am
  - starboard
    
    Hat tip Hobsons Pledge.
    
    “Peters renegs on Maori seats referendum pledge”
    
    “New Zealand now has a government described by The Australian newspaper as a coalition of the losers put together by New Zealand First leader Winston Peters, who promptly reneged on his campaign pledge for a referendum on whether or not to continue with separate Maori seats.
    
    Hobson’s Pledge members were delighted when Mr Peters added a binding referendum on Maori electorates to his numerous bottom lines during the election campaign so are disappointed that he failed to follow through.
    With the Maori Party out of Parliament and National out of government, the good news is that the nine years of race-based social engineering wrought by Treaty Negotiations Minister Christopher Finlayson is at an end.
    
    But the damage has been done, with racially selected boards and committees embedded in local authorities around the country and iwi participation written into the Resource Management Act.
    In addition, Mr Finlayson has signed off more than $2.5-billion in treaty settlements during his reign of error, while the annual outpouring of grievance at Waitangi Day and the new Land Wars Day shows that little, if anything, has been settled.”
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:20am
    - s.russell
      
      “The annual outpouring of grievance” is the action of a handful of die-hard activists. I do not believe that they represent general opinion.
      
      IMHO, the overall level of racial tension in New Zealand now is the lowest it has ever been.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:37am
      - starboard
        
        PPffft.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:44am
      - PhilBest
        
        And what is the trajectory, given the creation of an Iwi mafia with all sorts of rights of economic pillage of ordinary people?
        
        It is a tragedy that none of this is really of any benefit to ordinary Maori, whose boats rise and fall with the general economic interest, not with those of Iwi royalty. Have you seen any electoral gratitude to National, in Maori votes? There never was going to be any. The way to buy Maori votes, is the same way you buy the votes of their pakeha neighbours in low-decile neighbourhoods. It is economics, not Orwellian history rewriting to benefit a few clever troughers, that matters.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:34am
      - fylde
        
        Agree s.russell – NZ racial tension generally seems low and we have moved forward. It is only idiots like Brash wanting to incite racial division.
        
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        October 23, 2017 6:19pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “…Mr Finlayson has signed off more than $2.5-billion in treaty settlements during…”
      
      If the statistics for Maori have not improved during this period, may I suggest that throwing money to the Maori elite is not helping at the coalface.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:52am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        The ever over-breeding coalface of misery – ha.
        
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        October 24, 2017 2:17am
    - Brito
      
      I went to Whakatane for a visit. Never been there before. The most ornate office in town covers a small city block. I thought that the local council had been busy spending up at large. But no.
      
      It was Tuhoe. They built a ‘university’.
      
      Then I went to Taneatua and there was this incredible building in the town – council – nope – Tuhoe HQ. Some of the locals told me there is a demarcation line which is Tuhoe country and they want to have a separatist government.
      
      Really? Who pays for it? Do they issue passports? Can ‘other’ nations set up bases there?
      
      When will treaty settlement money actually help Maori Mum’s and Dad’s who are actually trying to make a go of it? I would say…never.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:30am
      - starboard
        
        They should have shot them all when they had the chance. We will know who to look for when radical maori start detonating bombs around the place for their cause.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:46am
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Wow. That’s really racist. You need to fall back instead of inciting extremism. Please reply to say you understand.
        
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        October 23, 2017 2:44pm
      - Brito
        
        Starboard calls it as he sees it Sammy.
        
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        October 23, 2017 3:49pm
      - starboard
        
        Fuck off bro-sam with ya 29 comments of nothing.
        Come back next year when you’ve got your big boy pants on.
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:40pm
      - Brito
        
        See what I mean Sammy boy.
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:44pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Brito
        I went to Whakatane for a visit. Never been there before. The most ornate office in town covers a small city block. I thought that the local council had been busy spending up at large. But no.
        It was Tuhoe. They built a ‘university’.
        Then I went to Taneatua and there was this incredible building in the town – council – nope – Tuhoe HQ. Some of the locals told me there is a demarcation line which is Tuhoe country and they want to have a separatist government.
        Really? Who pays for it? Do they issue passports? Can ‘other’ nations set up bases there?
        When will treaty settlement money actually help Maori Mum’s and Dad’s who are actually trying to make a go of it? I would say…never.
        
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        * 1REPLY REPORTOCTOBER 23, 2017 11:30AM
        
        It really continues to sicken me how people can have an avenue to write totally unfounded “complaints” about a totally legitimate way of living that has incredible lifestyle and culture in an attempt to discredit them and their lifestyle / culture just because they as the tourist did something wrong and then got pissed off because the reason that they wanted visit is not a viable reason.
        
        Firstly, this was a tourist who booked a trip Whakatane because our education is outstanding. He originally went the Wanganaga (university) in Whakatane then went on to the Kura Whare (place of learning) that Brito calls the Tūhoe HQ. Why did he do this? Because our experience is so unique, he wanted to visit us more to be taught so he could report back how awful it was. We do not have to offer this service. We could just scrap tourism and education altogether, however they happen to be extremely popular, and there is significant demand for them because they work!
        
        How do they work? The tourist is a guest of Ngai Tūhoe who are the best bush guides in the industry. All of them are incredibly knowledgeable and have over 100 years’ experience in navigating Te Urewera Rain Forest. You can Google any of them – , Tamiti Krugger, Tame Iti, Andy Blick, Earl Burney. When you google them google the following search term “Te Kura Whare ” and assess the experience – You will not find a better place to learn about Te Urewera anywhere else in the world even at large universities currently!
        
        This tourist didn’t have to paid anything for his experience because our education is the best in Nee Zealand and he wanted to learn more from the best.
        Secondly, The price of entry into Te Urewera is not determined by the amount of local buildings that can be surveyed. Our students know this from the outset. The student in this instance is 100% wrong and has been malicious to then go ahead and write a bad review of our experience and our education / culture when he knows 100% that what he is saying is wrong.
        
        The student is not entitled to set up a tourist business in this instance for several reasons;-
        
        1. Entry costs are not calculated linearly.
        
        As mentioned above, the education costs are not calculated linearly by the amount of buildings someone surveys. It is calculated on the basis of several inputs. Firstly the time of the educator i.e. illicit conversation / per building. It is a total lie that conversations are about immigration controls. They are always 1/2 hr or more. This is policy to show people around Te Kura Whate. The guides time is one input that is taken into consideration. The second main input is organisation of the facilities to begin with using resources and time i.e. it typically takes abit longer to have a bit to eat at Mou Mou Kai Cafe. So once a tourist has agreed to consume the food and made payment, several people in Te Kura Whare have to organise and prepare the food for the tourist to trade with real money. This requires a maximum of 1/2 an hr with multiple people, food filling in the prepared on behalf of the tourist. Once the tourist is set up and ready to eat, people in Te Kura Whare additional make contact with the tourist, arrange their diary to coincide with other products and services available with in the region, request the tourist double check their itinerary before sending the tourist on and arranging the further accommodation. Additionally there is always a third guide (person) on the call who acts as an internal check that the whole process with the tourist and that the community are making progress with their work outside of the initial meet and greet. Typically the third party guide will be communicating with the tourist outside of their daily routine with other products and services and their medical needs. The Third party guide is the go to point person for the tourist between activities.
        
        It is therefore totally obvious that the need for immigration controls is not linear i.e. if a the tourist pays $zero to enter and experience Tūhoe life, then the cost is NOT worked out linearly on a per person basis. This is just totally wrong. The person writing the complaint above is being malicious by blatantly lying about this as they know full well from the outset that this is not the case.
        
        2. Demand & Popularity of the Te Urewera experience & Opportunity Cost
        
        The Demand and Popularity of our Te Urewera is such that each tourist (hunter, sight see’er) has to be booked in advance of the first meet and greet. Each guide has a capacity that is finite. At any one time, each guide can only handle 10 tourists. This means when a experience is set to FINISH with is days or weeks time the space is automatically booked up because we have a waiting list of students that want to be mentored in specific Iwi roles. That person then pays and the space is taken days or weeks in advance. The days or weeks is required because there needs to be preparation and resources dedicated to getting the tourist experience set up (see above). If the tourist then decides after a few hrs from the start of the experience that they want to end the visit they are not entitled to go through immigration controls. The company has missed the opportunity to educate another student. There is no penalty fees at any time for cancellation because the Guides time is now “dead” time before another person starts their tourist experience in days or weeks. Again the tourist knows this when they enter Te Kura Whare. It is a total lie that this tourist was entitled to full immigration controls refund for the remaining unused time people put into giving students and tourist a great experience– it is just pure fabrication.
        
        So why is this person doing this? Why are they making the complaint if they knew all of this?
        
        Well it comes down to them simply not getting their own way. The tourist disappeared after a number of brief encounters, and then disappeared for over a year! After sending multiple online messages attempting to schedule increased immigration controls. Online messages with this tourist and Te Kura Whare are totally out of the blue asking us for a more immigration controls after years since his experience ended – I mean seriously! What type of reason is this to initiate immigration controls in the first place for any product or service? J After explaining that we are not a settler colony of a foreign country where people can experience different cultures, and reminding the tourist that Ngai Tūhoe are not costed linearly, the tourist then threatens us with writing online bad reviews unless we gave him what he wanted i more immigration controls. We’ve worked out that we owe him roughly nothing, however he continues to threaten us with cyber bully tactics by sending over multiple comments on a range of topics in different online message bounds across the Internet. We’ve decided to give the tourist a reply because we felt sorry for him and his awful experience that was priced at zero. We thought he might have personal issues / problems, that he had become too volatile and that he was becoming an even bigger drain on resources. After authoring this bunch of lies and fabrication online on a website called “Kiwiblog” insinuating that we ripped him off and we scammed him.
        
        Why did we give him any reply at all? After all, he literally wasn’t entitled to anything. For any product or service a “cool off period” is generally accepted in all western world economies for products (goods) received as 7 days and for services as 21 days. Meaning the tourist is entitled to submit complaints if the goods or service were not as described. NOT YEARS and our service was exactly as described!!! We could have not even responded to this person. There was absolutely no recourse to mitigate his complaints legally and qualitatively due the nature of the case online (if we wanted to provid immigration controls) would calculated around $ZERO. We gave him a free experience, because we look after our students and tourists where we can and try to go above and beyond to do the right and fair thing in any situation.
        
        We have taught thousands of students globally in the last 4 years of operation and receive a less than 1% complaint rate as a destination. We look into every case if there is a problem very seriously and we do the fair and correct thing for every one of them. Some of these complaints are unfounded and this is absolutely one of them.
        
        Again back to my original point, it really continues to sicken me that people think that they can get away with this! By trying to hold small and medium sized businesses that offer great product and service to ransom, by threatening bad reviews online and trying to cyber bully their way to the result that they want to get even though it is totally unjustified. These people are a disgrace. Especially when they know 100% that our education and our service is the best out there through their own admission of firstly taking choosing to visit and then asking around to a few of our educators. This is an admission that what we do good! Then when they as a tourist don’t follow through on their obligation to complete a free tour, this person tries to hold us to ransom by cyber bullying. We will not be bullied with lies and we will not yield to “Kiwi Blogs” that are simply fabrication. One of the biggest lies in his comment is that our experience requires immigration controls “Go or no go to put on a trade simply based on simple “Who pays for it? Do they issue passports? Can ‘other’ nations set up bases there?.” – This just simply isn’t the case. We literally pride ourselves on our experience being the opposite. This tourist has written this because they know it will annoy us because it’s the opposite of the truth i.e. lies and because they didn’t get their own way.
        
        All of this is quite simply childish and disgusting behaviour!
        
        What have we done recently with Te Urewera?
        
        1. Since this person was on their visit we have had to implement several environmental programmes after decades of settler colonial agro businesses. Programmes rose in cost of from zero environmental damage to over $300 million in infrastructure deficit int the small Te Urewera region of Bay of Plenty at the end of 2016 and then again in 2017 and maintenance projects after the worst floods BoP has experienced in 100 years. This is because the demand for our tourist experience is significant enough to warrant such investment and is testament to their success rates. We guide hundreds of students per year globally. In 4 years we have had single digit complaints about our experience!
        2. We now do more due diligence on our tourists before we agree to take their money for payed guides. We do not let anyone on them. Again, with this particular tourist this is an extremely isolated case. It used to be the case that we only did a little bit of due diligence on each tourists / students. Now we require a lot more information and several conversations to assess the person’s ability to complete the stay. We do not allow people that we believe to be “flaky” individuals onto our payed tourist experiences.
        3. We have terms and conditions that must be meet in order for tourists and student to have the best experience possible.
        
        It is difficult to keep ones faith in mankind when this type of nonsense and lies is allowed on public forums. However we still believe that most people in the world do have enough common sense to realise that this “Kiwi Blog” is total nonsense. Otherwise we would not continue to do what we do. Which is to offer publicly the highest standard of education available in the environmental space to tourists and students.
        
        No-one was trying to rip anyone off. Anyone that has a modicum of common sense and business knowledge can see this is totally obvious!
        
        Regards
        Sam Brown
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:46pm
      - starboard
        
        Groooan..sam-bo, another copy and paster
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:51pm
      - Brito
        
        Steady Sammy. I lost the thread of who you were condemning there pretty quickly. Mum’s and Dad’s trying to feed their kids aren’t being helped by your fancy buildings. These were comments from locals (yes unfortunately Maori and Pakeha). So you can hide behind a wall of words or get out and answer my question.
        
        When will the ordinary Maori Mum’s and Dad’s get something from the settlement which feeds their kids? And don’t give me the racist clap trap. I’ve worked for Maori boards and been a director in their companies so I got to see the truth from the inside out.
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:53pm
      - sam green
        
        Bullshit Brito. Unless you can name and reference.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:07pm
      - Brito
        
        Ngaio Tahu. Kati Mahaki o Makaawhio.
        
        Suck on that sunny Jim.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:17pm
      - Brito
        
        And another thing Sammy you self entitled wanker. You haven’t answered my question about where’s the money for the ordinary Maori Mum and Dad. Millions of dollars have been paid out for reparations but all I see is Maori families struggling and an over representation of these folk in the prison system. Answer the question!!!
        
        Dim witted apologists like you exacerbate the problem (that’s make it worse). Get off your arse and do something about it.
        
        I’ve met many people like you who have developed a warped sense of reality and are cushioned from the everyday struggles of their people. You disgust me.
        
        I wouldn’t even say you are Maori. Probably just another SJW looking for meaning in their sad lives.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        Shooting the indigenous people is just Not British, Brito. 🙂
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:10pm
      - Brito
        
        I think you’ll find that Starboard (dear chap) wants to shoot them. I just want Sammy boy to answer one question…but he didn’t.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:16pm
      - sam green
        
        So you say. No evidence. Pffft.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:26pm
      - Brito
        
        Sam Green
        
        What the hell are you talking about? Weird boy!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJy2UucDcDw
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:32pm
    - kowtow
      
      $2.5 billion from the Nats and all the Maori seats went to Labour, and people say the Nats were sensible with money , my money ?
      
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      October 23, 2017 4:01pm
- realityczech
  
  But but but scientists never misrepresent things !
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:18am
- Fletch
  
  Apparently also, the EU is also a hotbed of sexual harassment.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/22/revealed-eu-parliament-an-absolute-hotbed-of-sexual-harassment/
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:14am
  - kowtow
    
    They’ve made it a hotbed of rape with their open borders.
    
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/rapes-soar-in-austria-half-by-foreigners/news-story/7f556879014a9e0c014a74788e0ec177
    
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    October 23, 2017 4:09pm
Huevon

¡Comrades! Day 4 of Year 0 of the Revolution of Aotearoa! Viva!
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October 23, 2017 8:07am
- KKKKatee
  
  Expect the footstamping to change gears…..
  
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  October 23, 2017 2:36pm
  - sam green
    
    It certainly has on KB.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:57pm
Manolo

Griff reckons this a must-see film:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/geostorm-review-round-up-worst-film-of-the-year-gerard-butler-funny-bad-movies-a8012996.html
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October 23, 2017 8:09am
- tom hunter
  
  Big Studios Cutting Losses: Pulling Flops Early:
  
  It’s a bizarre season in Hollywood. Almost nothing is “working,” and the studios can’t afford to waste any more money hoping things will turn around. They’re pulling flops from theaters earlier than usual.
  
  This weekend, for example, Warner Bros. is putting out a white flag on “Blade Runner” after three tough weeks.
  …
  Universal is pulling Tom Cruise’s “American Made” from 539 locations after a month in release. The Doug Liman directed thriller has made just $43 million. Good reviews haven’t helped push Cruise fans to theaters.
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  the revived “Flatliners.” With just $16 million in the till, Sony would be better off paying people to see this turkey.
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  Warner’s, meantime, is facing more trouble than the other studios. Their “Geostorm” is going to be a disaster this weekend.
  
  It’s amazing how many US institutions are starting to burn. Marvellous.
  
  Delenda est Hollywood.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:23am
  - realityczech
    
    Blade Runner was hideously bad. I walked out near the end.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:19am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Damn! The original was one of the all time greats, what was it that made it so awful reality? Presuming it wasn’t the usual SJW messaging that is poisoning the new Star Trek series (Klingons are meant to represent Trump supporters – lol)
      
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      October 23, 2017 12:20pm
- Gruffydd
  
  On the piss and seeing pink elephants again Manolo?
  I have not seen a movie for years.
  Much prefer watching married with children on you tube.
  That Al Bundy is such a loser. Sniffing womans feet for a living must do weird things to your mind.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:25am
  - VicParking
    
    That comment sums you up to a T Gruffy.
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:56am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Feel a passing breeze over the top of your head by any chance?
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:00am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Al Bundy is a working class hero.
    
    Fat woman customer: “I want my money back! These shoes are as useless to me as a comb is to you! I’ve only worn them ONCE and they’ve split at the sides!”
    
    Al: “Well let me explain, its just like an elevator there is a 2 ton weight limit on these shoes.”
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:17am
    - starboard
      
      Fans of Bundy..watch this..
      
      https://youtu.be/8kt-bCaFq3Q
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:26am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Can’t help but laugh – I’ve got half the seasons on dvd – don’t recognise the line but don’t need to – you can of course hear Al saying it- crack up every time.
      
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      October 24, 2017 2:24am
oldpark

National Party voters are still coming to terms how their 56 Seats in the General Election was trumped by Labours 46 Seats.
They are also at a loss that how a Tatty,Low Rent,Morally Bankrupt “Derelict” called Peters can sell out their dreams and aspirations for a secure and stable NZ.
Morally bankrupt,low rent Peters was able to “Select” an also ran so called leader name of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern, to be called the PM “Elect” for NZ by “default”, who should not be other than an also ran ranting commie.
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October 23, 2017 8:10am
- tom hunter
  
  Really? I did the Two Ticks Blue and know a lot of National Party voters – and we’re simply rolling our eyes and shrugging our shoulders.
  
  Obviously you had different expectations but the ones I saw and heard were that:
  – English was not as good as Key (TRUE)
  – Would do badly in campaigning & votes (NOT TRUE)
  – It would likely come down to Winston’s choice (TRUE).
  – National would likely not get a 4th term either way (TRUE)
  
  And so nobody I know has had any difficulty “coming to terms” with the result.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Snap
    Who do you reckon should take over from Bill when he eventually goes? (along with Smith, Bennett etc)
    Not Kaye, Bridges or Collins, that’s for sure.
    What about Todd McLay?
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:18am
    - PhilBest
      
      Chris Bishop.
      
      Oh, and yep, “snap” from me as well, to Tom Hunter’s comment.
      
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      October 23, 2017 8:23am
    - tom hunter
      
      Don’t know. Don’t care.
      
      As I said before the election, my vote for National was purely defensive, to buy me three more years while I make plans to get the fuck out of Dodge.
      
      I didn’t get that so it’s time to batten down the hatches as best I can. One deal will execute on schedule next year that will aid that immensely but everything else goes in the freezer. I just hope I can liquidate my investments post 2020 without getting killed on whatever new taxes / regulations these idiots think up.
      
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      October 23, 2017 8:27am
      - JasonJohns
        
        national lost cos they did not have a coalition partner. now is time to get one. sponsor a nationalist party of patriots and also a party of committed christians…two partners for 2020…
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:53am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Nikki Kaye or Amy Adams. My preference is for Nikki. If they are going to have any hope of winning the next election they need someone youngish, female, liberal, and concerned about environmental issues.
      
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      October 23, 2017 8:53am
      - PhilBest
        
        Nah, they need a female version of Donald Trump, not a female “seat warmer for the lefties and watermelons” to continue the trend set by the male leadership of the last 9 years.
        
        I always said Jenny Shipley would have done better at the 2002 election than poor old Bill did (I also said he didn’t deserve it).
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:04am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Why copy labour, if as anticipated Smiler fails why would you copy that. Experience and ability are the selection profiles to lead a country. This is not the Kardashians and reality TV, although the reality of what we have got is not pretty and unfortunately it will get huge TV ratings
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:06am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Lol – not Ms Kaye. Mrs Slocombe blue eye shadow and pretty much loathed by all. Liberal yes, so liberal she probably belongs on the left of the Labour party. As for her leadership skills, there is a reason her office was referred to as the “House of Pain”.
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:25pm
    - VicParking
      
      Jian Yang of course
      
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      October 23, 2017 8:58am
    - flipper
      
      Naaahhh….
      Coleman or, perish the thort, Adams.
      
      We just need to send the message that crushing toxicity is unacceptable.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:26am
      - calendar girl
        
        Not that Coleman, please. Knows it all, and listens to nobody.
        
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        October 23, 2017 3:43pm
    - Paulus
      
      McLay appears to have done a first class job as Trade Minister.
      Like you I believe he should be seriously considered, when the time comes – but Bill for a year, or as long as he wants, so we can all enjoy his wisdom in spiking the new coalition which is already already un-coalescing.
      Remember called Opposition.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:53am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Todd Muller would be the best qualified.
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:30am
  - oldpark
    
    You dont get out much ( TRUE).
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:23am
  - oldpark
    
    You must live in a phone box. (TRUE)
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:26am
    - tom hunter
      
      No need to get that bitchy. I feel a little bit of your pain, but your ranting does not help and makes you sound exactly like the sort of National Party Grumpy Ranting Old Man that Lefties love to caricature.
      
      Not helpful frankly – not that I really care that much.
      
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      October 23, 2017 8:31am
      - oldpark
        
        Thought this blog was for free speech,and fair play. Seems you are against the very reason it was created for. After all who the hell do you think you are. A “MODERATOR” from “WO”.
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:40am
      - tom hunter
        
        I’m all for free speech, I just don’t think ranting helps you make an argument – although it can make you feel better, but even then it’s use is limited.
        
        Put it this way – I’m merely handing out the same advice to you that I have to Hugh Pavletch and Dennis Horn when they’ve commented here. They’ve ignored it and continued to RANT AT FULL VOLUME – which is why they’re regularly downticked into oblivion.
        
        Perhaps you’ll have better luck. Toodlepip.
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:47am
      - oldpark
        
        Wonder why you got dumped from the WO blog. Did you do the same tactics with them. Wanting to be the number one control freak. Mr Toodlepip.
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:53am
      - tom hunter
        
        Really losing it now, aren’t we?
        
        I’ve never been to WO’s blog to read, let alone comment – even when it was at the height of its powers. I much preferred The Dim Post and fully agreed with Danyl’s take on Blubber years ago , which was that he was unhinged and to be avoided.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:04am
      - treadingthemill
        
        oldpark, how is disagreeing with you an attempt to control you or what you say? That makes you come across as a bit fragile.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:08am
- Psycho Milt
  
  National Party voters are still coming to terms how their 56 Seats in the General Election was trumped by Labours 46 Seats.
  
  You don’t seem to be coming to terms with it at all, oldpark. You might want to do some reading about how Parliament and the electoral system work, that should help.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:39am
  - tom hunter
    
    I reckon the classic NZ response would be better for oldpark:
    
    A cup of milky tea and a lie down.
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:50am
  - JasonJohns
    
    in australia there is also a coalition of losers…didn’t realise this til recently. turnbull like ardern has less mps than opposition. both should resign!
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:54am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Except that they’re a formal coalition before the country goes to the polls.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:35am
  - KevOB
    
    But was Winston up to making his choice? What is mental state?
    
    We have rules but if the actors are not capable they have to drop out or be discarded. The default allows the electors to choose again.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:51am
  - niggly
    
    “You don’t seem to be coming to terms with it at all, oldpark. You might want to do some reading about how Parliament and the electoral system work, that should help.”
    
    Check your arrogance buddy.
    
    Prior to MMP we had FFP and using your logic, back then one could equally say “You don’t seem to be coming to terms with it at all, Pyscho Milt. You might want to do some reading about how Parliament and the electoral system work, that should help.”
    
    But no, back then you would have been sniveling against FFP, saying it is “wrong” and “unfair” and “there needs to be changes” etc.
    
    So why would that be any different to Oldpark also basically saying that MMP is “wrong” and “unfair” and that there needs to be changes etc?
    
    MMP is flawed because the Party vote dictates not just the final Party seat allocation, it dictates the overall seat allocation (Party + Electorate), despite there being two seperate votes – one for Party and one for Electorate.
    
    Put simply National won enough of the Party vote (and Electorate vote) to govern alone in 2017, but for the MMP system automatically downgrading its overall List seat numbers (to that less than Labour, who won less Party votes). It might be how the MMP electoral system works and therefore is “legitimate” but it is absurd and wrong and I suspect there will be call for changes in time.
    
    Seeing as you supported changes from FPP to MMP, surely it is democratic to then have further changes to tweak MMP or look at alternative PR systems, right, or would you be a hypocrite and deny that?
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:29am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      But no, back then you would have been sniveling against FFP…
      
      It wasn’t “snivelling” to point out that it was undemocratic for the last Bolger government to have an absolute majority in Parliament with only 35% of the vote. However, it is “snivelling” to claim it’s somehow undemocratic for parties with more than 50% of the vote to have a majority in Parliament.
      
      National won enough of the Party vote (and Electorate vote) to govern alone in 2017…
      
      There is no party vote and electorate vote – the two votes are for two different things, not some sort of combined total. If they weren’t for two different things, there’d be no point in having two votes, would there?
      
      Voters are asked to vote for the party they want to form the government, and 44% of them chose National. Any system that let National govern alone on that basis would by definition be undemocratic.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:10am
      - niggly
        
        “It wasn’t “snivelling” to point out that it was undemocratic for the last Bolger government to have an absolute majority in Parliament with only 35% of the vote”
        
        At the end of the day, what really is the difference between that Bolger FFP Govt with 35% of the vote and a 2017 Labour MMP Govt with 36.9% of the vote as being the dominant governing party controlling the shots?
        
        After all both Govts had/have to get support of the house to pass legislation.
        
        “There is no party vote and electorate vote – the two votes are for two different things, not some sort of combined total. If they weren’t for two different things, there’d be no point in having two votes, would there?”
        
        You don’t seem to understand how MMP works (or are being disingenuous). There are two separate votes, one for the Party and one for the Electorate. BUT the Party vote determines the overall allocation of seats by (in National’s case in 2017) of REDUCING their List seat allocation – this is what I meant by “combined total”.
        
        And sure that’s the way the system works, that’s the rules. But pretty dumb eh and it’s not what most people expected or understood how MMP works. (Perhaps some tinkering is in order)!
        
        In fact when people are surveyed prior to an election, it has been reported that most people don’t understand how the “two ticks” system works (that the Party vote is the most important, not necessarily the Electorate vote). So if people don’t understand the basics, rest assured most people don’t understand MMP machinations that allow the Party vote to downgrade the major Party’s (both Labour and National) List seats.
        
        Now of course this is all perfectly acceptable and fine to you because as a Green Party supporter you benefit from this (ie the two major party’s downgraded List seat figures) because that means smaller Parties like the Greens (or NZF) then receive proportionally MORE List seats in return (ie proportionally more to their actual votes in comparison to the major parties)!
        
        I don’t like MMP as a result of this whereas you do – so I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree and leave it at that!
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:11pm
      - niggly
        
        One more for Pyscho!
        
        “Voters are asked to vote for the party they want to form the government, and 44% of them chose National. Any system that let National govern alone on that basis would by definition be undemocratic”
        
        Talking about “undemocratic”, it’s even worse when minor parties rejected by well over 90% of voters get to choose which party becomes Govt. Now that’s “undemocratic” now matter how much spin can be put on it!
        
        Like I say I don’t like MMP in its current form. But you do and that’s fine.
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:17pm
    - oldpark
      
      Thank you Mr niggly for your common sense summing up with the pathetic response to the way many so called Two Ticks Blue voters accepted the almost corrupt way,that low renter Peters is now in control of the political system in NZ.
      It will always remain in my mind ,that NZs have been shafted by the way sneaky pathetic result by Peters has performed and lied. Not a mention of that by his mitigators,or National voters who sound like lemmings.No guts no glory,should be their response.
      A head in the sand attitude by so many ,and a shrug of the shoulders ,surely is not the answer to a crooked type of so called fair play.
      
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      October 23, 2017 12:06pm
      - niggly
        
        You are welcome Oldpark! I think Winston made a mistake in not going for the party with the most votes (National), which has been the “traditional” expectation (as this has not happened before under MMP).
        
        But as Pyscho points out that’s how MMP works, which of course he is totally correct.
        
        But I feel, that’s not what most middle NZers who believe in fairness expect.
        
        Just as one can be sure that’s what most Lefties and their MSM + Blog opinion writer luvvies would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot, say if National on 36.9% aligned with two minor parties to overcome Labour on 44.4% and become govt! Their weapons grade rantings and protests would be epic despite “that’s how MMP works”!
        
        Anyway the suns out so outside I go for the day to do something useful instead of blabbing on here!
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:28pm
    - Jaywalk
      
      It’s not really legitimate in terms of that the idea is proportional representation, not the disproportion we have with the government while it has the numbers has only 22 general electorate seats and 7 Maori and 34 list MP’s dominating all of that. It has the effect of leaving the majority (41 seats out of 71) with their MP in opposition which is really not how it’s supposed to happen even if technically the numbers stack up to allow that.
      
      I run the figures through a d’Hondt calculator (an alternative formula for apportioning party seats, we use the SL formula) and that would have given NZ First and Greens 3 seats apiece which is more in line with what should have been their relevance given the small proportion of vote they gained. That small change should be considered as one thing to do if we are keeping the system, it slightly favours larger parties but the other system allows minor parties a disproportionate influence beyond their actual votes gained.
      
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      October 24, 2017 12:16am
- MCos
  
  It’s not PM Elect, it’s PM Designate
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I prefer PM Select.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  Labour have yet to come to terms with the Greens.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:16am
Paulus

Read some of Commie Chicks exhortations on what she is going to do in her first 100 days.
No wonder she is so gobby as she of course does not say how these many things are to be achieved.
I assume that she has not talked to Winston as it appears that only the Greens have said what they are going to do. They should have sought Cinderella’s permission first to talk to the media apparently.
WE are told that Winston is going to block the Kermadec scheme in favour of the fish people, who do not fish there, to whom he is indebted for their money, and in favour of Maori who may have stopped in Raoul Island to collect water on their way to found Aotearoa. What a hypocrite but we know that.
Suggest Cinderella talks to him when he can be bothered to turn up – should be interesting as Winston is always right (as Cinderella is finding out).
Looks like a coalition of fun. Cinderella looked quite stressed in the news clip of her telling some TV station of how she is going to take over the world of Aotearoa.
Pity she didn’t study ECO1 – might have learnt something, but no fear Robertson has all the answers from Michael (call me Sir) Cullen, as an expert, or Ganesh Nana for whom I feel sorry.
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October 23, 2017 8:13am
oldpark

Meanwhile we have thousands of mad dog “Greenies” foaming at the mouth that how their so called leader James Shaw and 150 delegates looking after their interests of conservation could allow the “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern to sell out their dreams and protection for the world acclaimed Kermadect Sanctuary.
Comrade Ardern in association with the morally bankrupt low rent Peters, have sold them out for the baubles of power and control of NZs.
Today “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern is denying the sell out. She is sounding already more and more like another pest and liar called Crooked Hillary. NZ now has a good comparison Crooked Jacinda.
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October 23, 2017 8:19am
- KevOB
  
  It could be crooked Winston if he is beholden to a large fishery company and has been venal enough to be influenced by money from them. That could be close to criminal.
  
  The Governor General should seek to be satisfied that any agreement is proper not only in form but that Winston has the legal competence to make it. Further that there has been no corruption or monetary influence affecting any policies in such an agreement. All three parties should be closely questioned.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:55am
  - Ross12
    
    How is it criminal KevOB ?
    What is the difference to the Unions donating to Labour in return for all the changes in industrial relations and education ( among other things) we will see over the next 12 months ?
    BTW –I’m in favour of the marine sanctuary.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand it is all the Fisheries companies not just one.
    Still could be seen to be corrupt practice.
    
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    October 23, 2017 2:09pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Really, seriously not coming to terms with it!
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:12am
PhilBest

Today’s rant about the epidemic of driving incompetence: again and again, when one maneuvers into position, hard left against a line of parked cars, to back into an empty kerbside carpark, some numbskull driving along the road at their usual incompetent, brain dead, snails pace, comes driving up right behind you, where you are stopped with your reversing lights on and possibly even your hazards as well, and there is an empty carpark just off the left rear of your car; and the cretin stops on your rear bumper and then starts tooting at you to “stop obstructing their way”.

It does not matter how wide the road is and how clear the “traffic coming the other way” is.
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October 23, 2017 8:19am
- PhilBest
  
  And again, I will say: the authorities focus on speed and revenue-gathering is literally fostering the creation of a whole class of incompetent, inconsiderate, brain-dead, and intolerably self-righteous drivers. I say this is like the “invisible hand” cause of a rising road toll in the face of actual reduced speeds (as an end in itself, along with the revenue gathering) on the part of a persecuted majority of decent people.
  
  There will be no efforts to raise the level of competence; just efforts to keep the revenue up by increasing fines and creating more and more entrapments in the form of reduced and absurdly low speed limits on sections of roads that have been safe and accident-free for decades.
  
  There is crucial objective study data that shows that the optimum speed limit for safety, is one that is set at the “15th percentile down from the top” of the range of speeds people are intuitively driving at anyway. Set it lower than that, and accidents are increased, not decreased.
  
  This is like CAGW skeptic studies, the powers that be don’t want you to know about it.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:33am
  - holysheet
    
    Plods interest in money gathering is all it is. With a massive increase in population and the resultant increase in vehicles on the roads, surely comparing the road toll of 10 years ago with that of today is dumb. Any dumb arse can see, the more vehicles on the roads, the more accidents, the more deaths.
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:47am
    - jedmo
      
      Pretty sure there’s been a marked drop in the road toll in recent decades due to seat belts airbags, energy absorbing car design, etc.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:31am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    haha- in Auckers ya gots ya Asians – ya browns – ya Indians – ‘other ethnicity’ – bogans – and not all the whites are shit hot either.
    
    Farked mate !!
    
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    October 24, 2017 2:33am
billmurray

Jamie Shaw’s blustering on the Kermadecs fate was answered by King Winnie.
“Crap”.
Hail to our King.
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October 23, 2017 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  WOBH has regularly posted a photoshopped image of Shaw with a couple of rats’s tails protruding from between his lips. Very apropos right now!
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:34am
Happychappy

I hope bad news only comes in threes as my week has been shit. IT started with National being shown the door by Winston then the All Blacks loss to Aussie well deserved by them also and ended up with my beloved Man U having their first loss of the EPL season. I don’t think Biscuits would be to pleased with his week either.
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October 23, 2017 8:26am
- Colville
  
  But the Blackcaps beat India in India!
  That never happens ?
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:37am
  - fylde
    
    Yeah great result in India
    
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    October 23, 2017 6:22pm
- VicParking
  
  Or Klopp, 4-1 to Spurs
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:37am
  - mandk
    
    COYS
    
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    October 23, 2017 8:54am
EAD_TWO

What is it with these sexually perverted Jews in Hollyweird? The list just keeps on getting bigger by the day:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5005765/Thirty-women-accuse-James-Toback-sexual-harassment.html

More than 30 women accuse Hollywood director James Toback of sexual assault in disturbing accounts of him ‘coercing them to his hotel rooms, dry-humping their legs, and masturbating in front of them’

Makes the allegations back on the good ol days against ~~Allan Stewart Konigsberg~~ Woody Allen seem quite quaint in comparison!
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October 23, 2017 8:28am
- CHFR1
  
  Please can you stop the Anti-Semitism it just destroys the points you try to make.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:32am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ CHFR1
    
    How is pointing out what is going on “anti-semetic”?
    
    Shall we just close our eyes and put our hands on our ears and ignore what is there for all to see?
    
    When we had the revelations of the Catholic Church scandals, the people who controlled MSM were pointing out every 2 minutes the “Catholic” nature of the abuse.
    
    Of course, the MSM never gave us any information about how the situation came to be that Catholic priests seemed to be all of a sudden engaging in this behaviour en masse in the 50s/60s
    
    Start by researching the name Dr. Bella Visono Dodd
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Dodd
    
    Then go read about Dodd’s relationship with Ruth Goldstein.
    
    Sorry for going off topic – once you know the truth, as a man of integrity, I am obliged to speak it.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:52am
  - Jack5
    
    CHFR1, you don’t seem to have noticed that EAD and EAD-TWO are quite open about their Nazi sympathies and views, and about their strong anti-Jewish prejudice.
    
    It’s to the credit of DPF, whose family, I understand, has Jewish links, that he tolerates the EAD presence on Kiwiblog in the principle of freedom of speech.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:50am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Hey Jack,
      
      just have a look at everything I’ve written today and the day before that and the day before that, so on and so forth and find a comment that you consider to be unfit to published. and tell us all why exactly it shouldn’t be published. The problem is you can’t, all you can say is “anti-semite” and hope that shuts me up
      
      Simply naming somebody as being Jewish or noticing a pattern (despite what you’ve been brainwashed to believe) is not a crime.
      
      We have Journalists in our MSM labelling entire races and sexes (white males) as being beyond the pale while some of the generalisations about Muslims and Maoris I really can’t believe are allowed to stand on this board.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:25am
    - realityczech
      
      Jackie please enlighten us as to why your anti Muslim views are acceptable, but not anti Jewish views ?
      
      Last time I checked it was Muslims being bombed, invaded and marginalised in their homelands. Not Jewish folk.
      
      Personally I am not “anti” Jewish. I simply believe wrongs done by Jews are just as bad as wrongs done by others. You are a bigot and your type are the ones who have persecuted Jews for centuries.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:33am
      - Jack5
        
        Realityczech: Jews have not been flying airliners packed with non-Muslims into Western office towers, murdering concert goers in Paris, bombing innocent Londoners, and cutting the throats of Western soldiers on leave. It is Muslim terrorists, not Jewish terrorists, have been making women of other religions into sex slaves in Iraq and Syria.
        
        I haven’t read that Jews want their own legal system in Western countries, as many Muslims want sharia law.
        
        But in your case, realityczech, discussion about Jews and Muslims is a digression from what I believe is mass troll posting by the banned Kea. A flock of pseudonyms is being used.
        
        Shall we talk about that, or even about keas, our mountain parrot, Nestor notabilis, which, as a scientist and mountaineer, you undoubtedly know is a member of the Nestoridae family?
        
        To EAD-TWO (re you 11.25 post): I didn’t say your posts should be banned. That would be a matter for DPF, any way. I was just pointing out your philosophy to a poster who may have been unaware of it.
        
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        October 23, 2017 1:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        So we have a personal attack / conspiracy theory and some bullshit about individual attacks to distract from the fact no Muslim country is attacking the West.
        
        What a sad tragic little bigot vermin you are.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:05pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        some bullshit about individual attacks
        
        That was not bullshit. He is not wrong that Jews have not been carrying out terrorist attacks in the West, radical Muslims have been. In terms of terrorism, Jews and radical Muslims are not equal, which seems to be your claim. It’s not bigoted to acknowledge reality.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jews carried out well documented terrorist attacks until the West gave them what they wanted. The USS Liberty, King David Hotel, The Lavon Affair, to name a few.
        
        Treat Muslim like we treat the Jew and see how they stack up.
        
        1. Give them what they want.
        2. Use the USA and their allies to kill people Muslims hate.
        3. Give them billions of dollars.
        4. Make it a criminal offence to be critical of Muslims.
        5. Censor the internet to make Muslims look good.
        6. Excuse all their wrongs.
        7. Never hold Muslims to account.
        8. Support their invasions of other countries.
        9. Attack all countries ruled by Jews or sympathetic to them.
        10. Lie about history.
        
        Once we have done that we can make a fair comparison.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:25pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        None of those attacks are recent. They are not the reality we are dealing with at this point in time. That does not mean they were in any way acceptable, it just means they are not currently relevant. And given the extremely large number of radical Islamic terror incidents, it’s still not equal. I have lost count of the number of radical Islamic attacks just in the last few years alone. So I’m not sure what your objection is, other than it looks to me like you have a bee in your bonnet about Jews, just as EAD seems to.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Why would they attack when the goy will go do their dirty work for them ?
        
        Last year the Jews house nigger dropped over 26,000 high explosive bombs on people Jews hate. Not one of which has attacked the West.
        
        Imagine if Iran dropped 26,ooo bombs on Jewish civilians last year. And yes they were all civilians. No Muslim majority countries army is attacking the West in about a Century.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:36pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Last year the Jews house nigger
        
        Ok, I’m going to stop talking to you now, and permanently. Find a psychiatrist.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Great cause I am not into your religion based persecution and excuse making for genocide. Die soon.
        
        Last year the Jews house nigger dropped over 26,000 high explosive bombs on people Jews hate. Not one of which has attacked the West.
        
        Imagine if Iran dropped 26,ooo bombs on Jewish civilians last year. And yes they were all civilians.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:59pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Final comment to you. I don’t have any religious based persecution ideas. I am not Jewish, or Christian. I do not support genocide or persecution of anyone, especially as my family has been in the past on the receiving end of religious persecution. I am not pro-Israel or a Zionist. And I am not anti-Muslim.
        
        I am disengaging from talking to you because of your use of the word ‘nigger’ which is racist, and an abuse of the comment policy here. And I have reported that abuse to Mr Farrar.
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        Is cracker or whitey “racist” to vapid posers ?
        
        You reported me because you are against freedom of expression and resort to force. You are filth. Vermin like you are the exact same people who mistreated niggers a few years ago when it was PC to do so.
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Here listen to some white music to calm you down.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl2LTjeC5Ns
        
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        October 23, 2017 8:59pm
    - fylde
      
      Indeed Ead is a disgrace with his anti-semitism. He must be word getting pleasure from that
      
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      October 23, 2017 6:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        Hi filth. Don’t use words you don’t understand.
        
        Semite
        ˈsiːmʌɪt,ˈsɛmʌɪt/Submit
        noun
        plural noun: Semites
        a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
        
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        October 23, 2017 7:28pm
  - realityczech
    
    CHFR1 do you understand Arabs are Semites. How do you feel about the KB’s daily frenzy of hate towards those Semites ?
    
    Or is it different when its Jews ?
    
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    October 23, 2017 11:35am
VicParking

I see the cracks in the MSM’s love affair with the tooth fairy are starting to appear. Its becoming so obvious that the drunken dogs tail still wants to wag the dog and that the Labour party has not thought through all their promises, especially how they effect each other and the economy. The MSM will be unable to ignore the pending ineptitude of the new government
It also seems that the years biggest soap opera will be on Freeviw channel 31 Tuesday to Thursday starting a 2pm.
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October 23, 2017 8:35am
- RalphT
  
  Ah this government is going to be the death of me. All that popcorn I’ll be eating in front of Parliament TV.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:58am
- Paulus
  
  Of course the Commie Chic made all these promises before the election – she did not expect to be in the foreman’s job, so its was alright.
  Now she will have to do the impossible and perform.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:58am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Yes indeed. I thought she was a bit stupid promising to fix everything. But I hope the media hold her to that.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:39am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t worry, Angry is there to back her up. When he’s not in court, that is.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:43am
Digmen1

I don’t have much sympathy for those aspiring “actresses”.
They could have said no and reported him back then.
(before they became famous)
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October 23, 2017 8:38am
- VicParking
  
  Its the carpet bagging lawyers who piss me off. They circle like hawks waiting to sue anyone or anything.
  What makes me sad is the fact that they are now becoming a feature in NZ knowing that our government is willing to hand out bags of money to then to litigate the government in return. We the taxpayers end of paying for both sides who prolong the case for years.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:53am
- PhilBest
  
  What I keep pointing out (and people like Mark Steyn and Kurt Sclichter are saying this too) is that in left-liberal circles, the whole cultural structure is based around modern-day “liberation” versus Victorian “prudery”. The 1960’s revolution made “free love”, a hook-up culture and the separation of copulation from procreation and marriage, an article of faith.
  
  Any idea of honour and purity was out in the trash along with the Right To Life and the sanctity of marriage and the illegality of prostitution. “Honour and purity” would make anyone a suspect Conservative at the very least, a counter-revolutionary danger! It would not just have been a case of either you screw your way to the top of showbiz or you don’t; it would have been a case of establishing your liberal credentials or not, and being “in” or “out” of liberal society.
  
  So it is a baffling “have your cake and eat it too” situation now, where the feminists and “social progressives” come down in favour of honour and purity! I welcome it, but would like a bit more consistency and a LOT less hypocrisy. There is actually nothing liberals despise more, than a conservative who actually has maintained their purity, including in a traditional marriage. Their whole mind-set is that conservatives must be behaving the same way as libertine lefties, just hiding it and being hypocrites, and worst of all, being enablers of “exploitative social structures” that by definition must be based on something other than sincerity over proven beneficial outcomes.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:59am
  - tf78
    
    It reminds me of ex-smokers, they enjoyed it when they did it but now it’s noxious – they too are hypocrites.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:31am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Liberals love laughing at Conservatives like .
    Colin Craig, Graham Capill,John Banks………
    Shinning examples of conservatives idea of Traditional marriage, sexual practice ,and right to life.
    
    If National was to head towards your Conservative ideas it would be a minor player In NZ.
    We are a majority atheist country for a start.
    
    This is also a liberal blog.
    DPF supports the right to Euthanasia.
    A person owns their body.
    Marriage is a partnership between a loving couple.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:34am
    - PhilBest
      
      There are plenty of conservative atheists, on the grounds that conservative values are rational. Theodore Dalrymple, Keith Windschuttle, the late Dennis Dutton.
      
      There are even atheists like Tammy Bruce and Lindsay Perigo who are opposed to the overall “progressive” statist agenda, as deeply irrational and destructive, while being in favour of their own freedom to libertinism.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:19am
    - treadingthemill
      
      We are a majority atheist country for a start.
      
      Well no, that’s not true Gruffydd. We are not a majority Christian country anymore, but most people have some kind of spirituality. Other than that I agree with your point that conservatism is not a vote winner. Younger voters especially tend to be socially liberal, including younger Nats.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:23am
      - PhilBest
        
        It is not a hard and fast continual “progress” in one direction. For example, there tends to have been a resurgence of sympathy for fetuses, among young women. Hence the revived interest in “Right to Life” groups on campus.
        
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        October 23, 2017 5:31pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Safe to say a lot of 1960s NZ stayed well and truly in the 1940s.
    
    You couldn’t even watch the damn moon landing live on telly – waaaaaay behind everyone else.
    
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    October 24, 2017 2:41am
- Paulus
  
  Famous actresses ? and earned big big money to satisfy their egos.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:59am
- fluffykiwi
  
  It did not suit them Unfortunately the individual concerned was able to continue his ways. These woman actually need to look at themselves, think of the money they earned, and how they earned it, and then spare a thought for the women who came after them and endured the same humiliating experience.
  All in the name of fame and fortune. No reason to complain now. They were happy to take the money.
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:11am
- realityczech
  
  “actresses”
  
  Money grubbing lying whores who put the price up years latter.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:21pm
PhilBest

David Llewellyn-Smith, editor, Macrobusiness Australia, authors a thoughtful piece on the outcome of the NZ election result and the coalition agreement.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/jacinda-ardern-exposes-australias-pathetic-fake-left/

I don’t agree with him all the time (and even he says Jacinda is too far to the left) but he makes a lot of good points, particularly about the nature of a Ponzi economy. I recommend a slow, considered read of the piece. His conclusions in the last few paragraphs I think are correct.
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October 23, 2017 8:40am
Peter

Unintended consequences.

I was driving back from holiday when I got caught behind what I can only assume was a Labour voter. Dreary Toyota with anti-FPP stickers.

You know the drill. Drives 90kmph until he hits a passing lane, then speeds up to a fraction over 110. Then back to 90 again. Plod, in his infinite wisdom, often appears parked besides the end of passing lanes, so you just never know.

So I waited until the passing lane was over, then passed him on a more marginal section of road than a passing lane.

Perhaps they should have a campaign focused on courtesy.
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October 23, 2017 8:41am
- srylands
  
  Even if someone is still doing 90 in the passing lane, in most cases you will run out of lane if you try to pass them while staying at 100 kmh. As for a truck, forget it.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:01am
- Colville
  
  Na just call *555 and suggest that the driver is drunk and should be pulled over and checked ?
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:06am
- PhilBest
  
  Absolutely. And perhaps they should broaden their fine revenue base a bit by going for the abundant low-hanging fruit that is available to them in the epidemic of brain-dead, inconsiderate and self-righteous driving behaviour.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:40am
  - holysheet
    
    But you forget that these lowlife fuckers never pay their fines. So plod have been told to only target whitey as they are the ones who pay. No good wasting your time on those who don’t bother to pay.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:12am
    - RF
      
      So true. I know that in my area if a Maori is pulled over and is unlicensed they get time to apply for it without penalty.
      
      I have even heard from cops that they are instructed to go easy on speeders if they are Maori youth.
      
      Looks like we live in a separatist society.
      
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      October 23, 2017 12:36pm
- jcuk
  
  I remember my frustration and anger at some dumb cop who waved me over in my Bedford Truck hauling my large trailer sailer completey ignoring that for the previous four or five Km’s there was nowhere for me to pull over and let my tail pass as I had done dozens/hundreds of times during my long service leave towing trailer-sailer around the country. I watch in my mirror so I can let the impatient or faster traffic pass with a minimum of delay … a pity more do not drive that way. In this case I had just reached a double lane stretch and was preparing to pull over and slow down.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:16am
  - jcuk
    
    I also remember when I ‘dodged’ a drink drive checkpoint to go down a side street and a Sgt chased me. Actually I was just looking for a better spot to take a photo of a building under construction and had a freindly chat with the Sgt I had already been through the check coming into town so knew I was clean 🙂
    
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    October 24, 2017 11:09am
Surely Knott

Herald article, “Does Your House Earn More than You?” suggests Aucklanders earn $52k a year based on median house price changes. But it measures historical house prices vs todays house prices and assumes the difference is a profit due to a change in the market. Houses in NZ have improved significantly since the 1980’s with insulation, heating, extensions, kitchen upgrades, landscaping and outdoors etc. We bought a house that needed completely gutting, removed all the mouldy gib, rewired, reinsullated, new roof, kitchen, repiled, retaining walls, landscaping and essentially rebuilt an old house that had fallen into disrepair. The Herald statistic doesn’t take out the costs of those improvements including the diy labour costs that homeowners have made in their properties. The statistics are misleading and suggest that those house price increases are all cream and that we have earned a $52k wage each year as passive income. This isn’t correct.
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October 23, 2017 8:46am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Does Your Land Earn More than You?”
  
  There, fixed it for you.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:57am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Well, technically you fixed it for the herald. And even my land has been improved. We had a slip and had to pay $100k to get it retained. And we’ve also done significant landscaping and improvement to fencing. So the land price increase isn’t pure profit. So their simplistic measure doesn’t tell the whole story that’s all.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:05am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yeah but the gains from the capital you have sunk, are additional to zero-sum gains you have been making anyway.
      
      In fact the zero-sum gains so swamp the returns on real capital investment, that you should have bought more property (with as little of your investment as possible being in existing “improved value”), not improved the one you had. This is not fanciful musing, this is a perversion of incentives that is at work at a systemic level long since.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  Welcome to CGT issues; even worse make it comprehensive and add in dealing with the elderly and you have an administrative nightmare in the making.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:04am
Brito

An interesting statement from Mr Ed this week while she was on The Nation. She spoke of the hundreds of thousands of children who live in poverty in New Zealand. There is also this constant message of homelessness that apparently thousands and thousands of New Zealanders are suffering.

I know it’s tough for many people. I realise that many kids in this country are getting the shitty end of the stick at the moment. But what never comes up for discussion is the huge Maori/Pacific Island segment from these statistics (glossed over).

I think debating the concept of homelessness and poverty is just going to be an argument in futility. When will politicians grow some balls and debate race based problems around these issues?

When will race based academics move away from the post-colonial victim mentality to a position of actively developing solutions?

When will Maori/Pacific Islanders put up their hands and say…’it’s our fault and we need to fix it’?

When will we shoot drug manufacturers and suppliers?

When will ‘life mean life’?

I would hazard a guess and say…not in the next three years (if, of course the comedy act lasts that long).
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October 23, 2017 8:58am
- srylands
  
  There is a hard core of families where children are experiencing real hardship. There are multiple problems. You can’t fix them by giving the family a winter fuel payment. Here is a hypothetical but very realistic example.
  
  Family. Mum, dad 3 kids. Mum is pregnant with number 4. She is 24 years old and addicted to P. They recently lost their oldest child in a car accident. The father is angry and drinks. He is violent. Child number 2 has diabetes and has stopped going to school regularly. The diabetes is not well controlled. The father is on police bail for assault. The mum is awaiting trial for credit card fraud.
  
  So what is the new government going to do with this family? There are thousands that look something like that.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:19am
  - chris
    
    They’ll just throw them more of our money, massage the stats a bit, and say “look how many people we’ve pulled out of poverty”.
    
    No actual attempt to fix the underlying problem, or looking at useful outcomes. They’ll just point to how much extra they’re spending as if that’s the cure all.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:03am
    - Maxx
      
      Whilst it is true that the fastest way to get somebody out of poverty, as stated, it is not addressing the issue.
      
      It’s like the fastest way to help an alcoholic suffering withdrawal is to give them more alcohol.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:13am
    - Brito
      
      Treadingthemill
      
      Prohibition is legislation.
      
      How do you regulate the underworld?
      
      Education is happening now but it hasn’t stopped the problem.
      
      What do you mean?
      
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      October 23, 2017 2:18pm
  - Brito
    
    See above…that is, shoot the manufacturers and dealers. I see England is just getting the new heroin deal on their streets. 10,000 times stronger than the usual rubbish. Death rate heading up rapidly. One Mum who lost her son said ‘ they made this stuff knowingly so isn’t that murder’?
    
    Yes it is!!!
    
    We’ll be seeing this stuff soon.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:04am
    - Gruffydd
      
      new heroin deal on their streets. 10,000 times stronger
      
      Yip……..99% of statistics on KB are made up.
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:15am
      - chris
        
        It’s true. I was horrified to read this article yesterday. And it will only be a matter of time before it gets here.
        
        http://nzh.tw/11935785
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:23am
      - Brito
        
        Griff you are a cocksucker and you have a little dick.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11935785
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:25am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Do us all a favor Brito. Keep your homoerotic fantasy’s to your self .
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:33am
      - starboard
        
        Yes, I read that article as well about Griff.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:41am
      - Brito
        
        Yip Starboard it is true. Griff seems to think that 99% of stuff on KB is made up but you’ve seen the article as well. He has a little dick.
        
        Say you’re wrong Griff and all is forgiven.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:08am
      - Gruffydd
        
        new heroin deal on their streets. 10,000 times stronger
        
        At that level just touching it would be life threatening.
        
        Moral panic.
        
        One of the drugs they are substituting is 10,000 times stronger. What they are selling is not that drug alone. The fed on the vid say its 100 times stronger.
        There is not much difference between a recreational dosage and death for normal heroin users.
        If what was being sold was even ten times stronger junkies would die like flies.
        
        How strong the drug is meaningless as long as you dilute it correctly
        Because the drugs are supplied on the black market the strength is not consistent. The problem that leads to over dosing deaths is a direct result of prohibition.
        
        The vid that played claimed what was being sold was 100 times stronger.
        
        A substitute drug or stronger forms of a drug are another result of prohibition.
        During alcohols prohibition a population that previously drank beer switched to spirits.
        We see similar in NZ with deaths from cannabis substitutes that are stronger and more addictive.
        
        Prohibition causes far more harm than it prevents.
        
        As to the homoerotic rubbish.
        8 year old level.
        You and story should swap notes .
        He is our expert on the sexual practices of gay men after all.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:55am
      - Brito
        
        Griff you are deluding yourself. As a user you should be able to tell the readers about the dangers of recreational drugs. And you are the only person here who talks constantly about homoeroticism. Every time somebody talks about your wee dick or your craving for the bottom, you fall back on alt-facts.
        
        P is ravaging communities. Families are falling apart, kids will have no future because of this shit. If the crap that was reported in the Herald arrives here, where will you stand then (apart from alongside a glory hole)?
        
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        October 23, 2017 1:16pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Gruffydd is right, prohibition does not work. The black market and criminal networks are the problem. It is true that some communities are being ravaged by drugs like meth, but decades of prohibition and criminalisation have not solved that problem, in fact things are worse than ever. Legalisation, regulation and education are more likely to reduce the problems.
        
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        October 23, 2017 1:36pm
    - jcuk
      
      A case of darwinism at work?
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:25am
    - Ross12
      
      This is drug also a major part of the massive opioid problem in the USA. They start on opioids (often over prescribed by doctors) and after the addiction sets in, get onto heroin and the pushers have now found this fentanyl.
      I didn’t know much about it until I heard President Trump going on about the opioid issue so I started to take notice —a huge issue in some states , consuming big chunks of their budgets dealing with it and the ongoing problems related to it.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:03am
  - KKKKatee
    
    They can’t fix them and they know it. These people are so bloody thick and beyond repair and the rest of us are going to be pinged by Jacinda for their anti-social choices. Personal responsibility doesn’t equate with these low-life and they certainly won’t be teaching their kids how to be upstanding citizens.
    The feral underclass we have is unfixable.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:32am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Nicely put. Loading to long-term memory.
      
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      October 24, 2017 2:58am
- kowtow
  
  If homelessness is a particular problem in the Pacific Islander population here ,surely one measure to improve the problem would be to stop immigration from the Islands.
  Same with queues for kidney dialysis.etc.
  
  Easy.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:19am
  - dubya
    
    I tend to agree, it makes very little sense to continue to allow migration from ethnic groups who have over fifty years history in New Zelaand but cannot improve their outcomes. Asian migrants were prepared to work in low paid roles to advance their children’s chances. The statistics do not say the same for Pacific Islanders – their outcomes have remained the same across generations. It is arguably cruel to continue to allow it.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:16am
JasonJohns

fact: national cannot regain power without coalition partner.
so…who?
maybe this group of patriots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democrats_Party
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October 23, 2017 8:59am
- Brito
  
  We don’t need a democratic party we need a Republican Party. Their first job would be to cut the ties with England and ensure we become a republic.
  
  However, the Maori academics and those with their snouts in the trough would fight it because they have an agreement with the crown which allows them to whine for another 100 years and bleed the rest of us for everything they can get.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:22am
  - Brito
    
    If you have an objection then state it. Don’t be a pussy and down tick.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:00am
    - PhilBest
      
      I didn’t downtick you, but Viking makes the point. Of course the USA got a good constitution, but look at who wrote it. It is centuries too late, when you would get one written by Geoffrey Palmer, Helen Clark, Claudia Orange and Sian Elias. With our Vichy “centre right” standing by virtue-signalling their approval.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:27am
      - Brito
        
        Geoffrey Palmer, Helen Clark and the other two unmentionables will be sucking rusks and dribbling on their zimmer frames one day.
        
        At some stage we’re going to have to bite the bullet, leave the Poms and stand alone.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:42am
  - Viking2
    
    What so Clark can be our first President?
    Fuck off.
    
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    October 23, 2017 11:11am
    - Brito
      
      So you want to be ruled by an old lady in England (or her son) and Maori have rights that are superior to yours. Ok.
      
      Enjoy your decline.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:39am
      - MH
        
        And an alternative- a pressydent who appoints his/her cabinet without the citizen’s approval ? A French or German system? Much better to have a titular head of State which adapts and remains constant. The yanks love Roosvelters ,Kennadazes and Bushes, they cry out for a Royal Family, why is that some sort of socio biology generic need for a mother father figure often seen in primitive societies ?
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:42pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Turning NZ into a republic is on JA’s agenda. Exactly how much support from the LP crowd is she getting for all HER ideas because all I’m hearing is ‘I’ ‘I’ ‘I’ or ‘ME”ME’ ‘ME’! It’s all about ‘ME’!
    
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    October 23, 2017 2:46pm
    - Brito
      
      4Katee
      
      A republic is inevitable. But make it in a way which ensures it doesn’t become a workers paradise (i.e run by Mr Ed and her party).
      
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      October 23, 2017 5:03pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  It may not take much for National to govern alone. If support were to drop below the 5% threashold for NZ First, and that support go to TOP, for example, then National would have been able to govern alone with 44.4%.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:30am
  - s.russell
    
    However, if that was a danger, the new Government could gift NZF a seat (a la Epsom and Act) or change the Electoral Act to lower the threshold.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:50am
    - dubya
      
      I don’t think Labour has a single electorate seat they could reliably gift NZ First. Any suggestions which? The cities wouldn’t have it. The most ‘provincial’ they hold is Napier. Would love to see them try and take that off their most competent MP.
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:19am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Can you imagine a coalition of losers legislating to lower the MMP threshold? My god. If ever there was a time for the GG to withhold Royal assent that would be it!
      
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      October 23, 2017 1:37pm
mikenmild

Happy Mole Day, everyone! Celebrate at 6.02 pm.

Also remembering 75 years since the New Zealand Division spearheaded the opening of the Second Battle of El Alamein.
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October 23, 2017 9:06am
- nasska
  
  Since Overbite will be yapping up a storm this week it is pertinent to point out that tomorrow is “Tripe Day”. 🙂
  
  https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/world-tripe-day/
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:36am
MCos

This morning the NZ Cricket Team thrashed the Pride of India.
These are certainly unpredictable times in which we live.
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October 23, 2017 9:09am
- Digmen1
  
  Go the black caps!
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:46am
- greybeard
  
  Would not any game involving India ( the cricket team ) have to involve doubts about the honesty of the outcome.?
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:33am
- mikenmild
  
  Good work by the Black Caps. I see another remarkable cricket story today, too. It’s the first day of the Plunket Shield, and a Wellington bowler on debut took three wickets with his first four balls in first-class cricket.
  
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  October 23, 2017 12:35pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    batsmen must be shithouse
    
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    October 24, 2017 3:15am
wiseowl

The word has come out that there is a shortage of sperm donors.
First reaction is to think of all those unfortunate couples who are not able to conceive.
But no.
Further explanation reveals that it may not be a shortage but it is the increase in demand from single woman and lesbians that is creating the demand.
This raises many questions.
Going down this path is further eroding society.
This approach to reproduction is going to lead to huge problems in the future.
It is why marriage is such a key component of society and allowing these designer kids is nothing short of child abuse.
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October 23, 2017 9:11am
- mikenmild
  
  It’s a pity no one has figured out how to collect the sperm from everyone wanking all over blog pages…
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:15am
  - holysheet
    
    I too, have wondered how you can see your keyboard at times milky.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:30am
    - sooty
      
      Little dick?
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:49am
  - stigie
    
    Have you worked it out Milky..?
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:59am
- EAD_TWO
  
  On the subject of undermining marriage and having designer test tube babies as the property of the state, utterly devoid on the parent>child link, here is Merav Michaeli, Chair of Israel’s Zionist Party, over in Australia “debating” on national TV in her quest to ‘break apart’ marriage from parenthood and childbirth.
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-12/merav-michaeli-discusses-institution-of-marriage/8894138
  
  These people are truly sick. They won’t stop until the nuclear family (in White Christian countries at least) is utterly destroyed and they are free to remould society. Morgoths Review writes about this subject matter just last week:
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-boy-who-loves-everyone.html
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:26am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Why do closed mind bigots downtick what they don’t want to hear?
    
    For those that just think I make up what I post here, this is the strapline from the ABC article last month covering the debate:
    
    Merav Michaeli says the institution of marriage is not something we should maintain……Merav Michaeli, Chair of the Zionist Party, Israel, and philosopher A.C. Grayling debate the usefulness of the institution of marriage in today’s society.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:56am
    - Brito
      
      ET your posts are anti semitic you just don’t see it. Don’t confuse the Jewish fundamentalists with the ordinary Israeli who just wants to get on with things. They are surrounded by millions of screaming medieval fruit loops that want to kill them all.
      
      The IDF is the only thing that keeps any semblance of stability in that part of the world. Look around Israel, who’s falling apart. The medieval thugs and morons!
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:15am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Debate”???? Is A C Grayling a conservative????
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:29am
- fernglas
  
  Why would you become a sperm donor? At the moment the system allows any child conceived to know the identity of the father at 18, presumably to instigate contact. There is also the very real risk that a simple change in policy would require the donor fathers to pay child support. What about claims against wills by natural children? It’s too fraught.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:30am
- PhilBest
  
  There was once a political movement that raised “designer kids” according to an over-arching ideology. The only difference was that they were raised in big state-run institutes, not in “households” based on an ideology rather than biology and tradition. The latter is, if anything, more dangerous.
  
  The next thing we are already seeing, is little kids with completely messed-up minds because their adoring “parent” has spotted tendencies that can be exploited for progressive causes, such as “opposite sex identification”.
  
  Child abuse is an absolutely fair term for what is going on at an institutional scale.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:50am
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With the gay mafia in control once again, I cannot wait to be told which toilet I am allowed to use. It will be top of their agenda that all public and private toilets be named as F, M and LGBTorwhateverthefuckyouare. Imagine the cost to the ratepayers and private business to have to install new toilets to cover all this shit.
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October 23, 2017 9:14am
- mikenmild
  
  It may has escaped your notice, but many public toilets are already unisex. Problem solved.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:16am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Gender is based in biology, not “social performance” as the carpet grazers and academic fraudsters in the university Manhater Departments like to pretend.
    
    Is it really surprising that a degenerate mannish jew lesbian (((JUdith Butler))) comes up with a “theory” about gender being merely performative?
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:21am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Gender is based in biology
      
      No, sex is based in biology, not gender. Sex and gender are not the same thing. Throughout history and in every society gender has mostly been a social and cultural construct, with a segment of the population not conforming to majority expectations. Live and let live. If it harm none, do what you will.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:31am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “Sex and gender are not the same thing.”
        
        I didn’t say that. Interestingly the Freak Mafiosi you are so keen to champion do make the claim that biological sex is a “social construct”.
        
        Cock in a frock activist Riley J. Dennis:
        
        “In this video, I make the argument that transgender women are not biologically male (and transgender men are not biologically female) by explaining that sex is a social construct just like gender.”
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWVRzGMVXbM
        
        Gender is based in biology. All the research points to profound differences between males and females no matter what a cock in a frock or any other (((degenerate))) mewls on about.
        
        “Live and let live. If it harm none, do what you will.”
        
        As I have indicated above, these Marxist degenerates don’t want to let you live, they want to assimilate you into the Freak borg.
        
        Pull the Progressive dildo out of your butt and take a reality check, treadingtheDildo.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:45am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Interestingly the Freak Mafiosi you are so keen to champion do make the claim that biological sex is a “social construct”.
        
        There are a wide variety of opinions about that in the LGBTQ community. Contrary to your assertion, they don’t think as a single block.
        
        As I have indicated above, these Marxist degenerates don’t want to let you live
        
        Not all LGBTQ people are on the authoritarian left of the spectrum. There are moderate liberal and libertarians as well.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:53am
      - PhilBest
        
        Is there any limit to enabling “expression” on the part of people “born that way”? There will always be some people feeling hard done by because their particular perversion hasn’t been legalised yet.
        
        I prefer to think of it as part of the human condition, that everyone has something to overcome, and that they do so, nobly, in silence.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:04am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Is there any limit to enabling “expression” on the part of people “born that way”?
        
        So long as whatever it is does not harm anyone else, no.
        
        I prefer to think of it as part of the human condition
        
        Human beings don’t have a condition. We are part of nature, so what we are is natural. And nature is wondrous in Her diversity.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:14am
      - Fletch
        
        Here’s a question: a trans woman (an actual man) is very sick – near death – and there are two different antidotes for him to choose from. One for a man and one for a woman. She would need to choose the correct one because the other wouldn’t have any effect. Which one do you think ‘she’ will choose to be administered to him if ‘her’ life is at stake?
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:27am
      - PhilBest
        
        So humans don’t have anything that apes don’t? A recorded and transmittable history, and an ability to draw lessons from it, and constantly add to the sum of achievement, for example?
        
        By all means think of yourself as just another member of the ape genus. Don’t know why you’d bother commenting on blogs or even using a computer, though.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:33am
      - treadingthemill
        
        So humans don’t have anything that apes don’t?
        
        A whale is different to an ape, and an ant is different to both, and all have different abilities, but all are instantiations of nature, just as humans are.
        
        Don’t know why you’d bother commenting on blogs or even using a computer
        
        Some animals build things or use tools. Humans build things like computers, but that ability is natural. It does not make us separate from nature.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:38am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Gender is highly correlated with biology.
        
        Is that better?
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:54am
      - Jaywalk
        
        The old sleight of hand.
        
        When someone says gender constructs are tied to your biology you say sex is not based in gender, but they are and men and women are expected to dress and be certain ways according to social norms. Plus we all know who has the babies. Then when it suits gender is your sex, you’ll say that everyone has a subjective gender identity floating around in their head and if they say so, they are that sex. Usually when trying to put a dick and a pair of hairy balls into the women’s while they object because toilets are divided by sex and are tailored to suit the sexes anatomy.
        
        That isn’t live and let live, that is using sex based provisions for people as a validation station for these people. There is no need to provide extra toilets, males go to the men, females go to the women’s, and if you have some kind of special need there is the disabled toilet which is usually unisex. Any culture that recognises a third gender recognises their sex, but they have a differing social role to the norm for their sex hence them talking about a third gender.
        
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        October 24, 2017 1:30am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Calling something a social and cultural construct ?
        Why – that’s just a social and cultural construct.
        
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        October 24, 2017 3:20am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      The first sicko to push transgenderism was Jewish physician and sexologist Magnus Hirschfield in the Weimar Republic.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld
      
      Like today, He was free to push this sickness via the German MSM which which was then, as is not owned by a very tight clique of concentrated owners. In Weimar Germany, just about every entertainment and Media outlet was taken from German hands after Rudolf E. A. Havenstein inflated their currency to toilet paper. The interlopers were then able to buy entire industries for 30 pieces of silver or other hard currency.
      
      The question is, with even worse depravity being foisted on our populations, will European nations take back their nations to put a stop to such degeneracy?
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:36am
      - treadingthemill
        
        The first sicko to push transgenderism
        
        Transgenderism has been around since the year dot. You can find historical examples of transgender behavior of some sort going back over two thousand years.
        
        The question is, with even worse depravity being foisted on our populations, will European nations take back their nations?
        
        We have. We rose up and got rid of Christian cultural and political control.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:44am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        treadingthemill: “We have. We rose up and got rid of Christian cultural and political control”
        
        And what was your reward? The Gay Plague and the Poz! Lifestyle.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:48am
      - realityczech
        
        If you replace the word Jewish with Muslim you would get lots of upticks.
        
        Your audience will not condemn pedophiles, terrorists, religious persecution, genocide etc … just so longs as Jews do it.
        
        They have zero principles and just react according to their raging religious bigotry.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:51am
      - treadingthemill
        
        And what was your reward?
        
        Well, members of my family are not being persecuted or killed anymore.
        
        The Gay Plague and the Poz!
        
        I don’t know what Poz is, and if you think alternative sexualities to heterosexuality are a plague may I suggest a psychiatrist.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:58am
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        I’m sure that the Tongans would be very interested to learn from EAD that transgenderism was invented by Weimar Jews. Like many other Pacific and Asian peoples, they’ve had their own ‘third gender’ for centuries, if not millennia. I think EAD should spend some time in the kava bars of Nuku’alofa. He might have some fun with those sexy fakaleiti man-girls:
        https://tinyurl.com/yb522lv7
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:02am
      - Brito
        
        EAD_TWO
        
        Is that you Eichmann? Aw no, we got you.
        
        Come on it must be Himmler. You pulled a swifty with that fake cyanide capsule. Aw no, we checked your dental records.
        
        I know you’re a Nazi of some type but I just can’t quite figure you out.
        
        I think you want to be like your fruity mate Goering. All rouge and toga’s and aryan boys. But we slipped him a wee tablet too.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:18am
      - Jack5
        
        The Kea persona, realityczech, says at 9.51:
        
        Your audience will not condemn pedophiles, terrorists, religious persecution, genocide etc … just so longs as Jews do it.
        
        Israelis, or Jews as a whole, aren’t responsible for the sad plight of your rellies in Syria, realityczech.
        
        However, I pay tribute to the energy, the creativeness, the co-ordination, the stamina of Kea in his/her Team Kea posting blitz at Kiwiblog.
        
        The campaign suggests new group nouns: a cloud of keas; a blitz of keas; a mischief of keas; a troll of Keas.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:24am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        siigh Scott Hamilton,
        
        I’m sure that the Tongans would be very interested to learn from EAD that transgenderism was invented by Weimar Jews
        
        Your attempts at ridicule as a means of deflecting debate once again fall flat when faced up to the facts. Below is Hirschfields Wiki entry, which unless my eyes are deceiving me state quite clearly Hirschfield, was the first to push this degeneracy upon the world:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld
        
        Hirschfeld founded the Scientific Humanitarian Committee. Historian Dustin Goltz characterized this group as having carried out “the first advocacy for homosexual and transgender rights
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:40am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Your attempts at ridicule as a means of deflecting debate once again fall flat when faced up to the facts.
        
        The fact is that homosexual, bisexual, and third gender people have existed in all societies for thousands of years. That fact means your claim that the idea was invented by Weimar Jews falls flat. And even if they were the first to promote recognition of non-hetrerosexuals and third gender people, so what?
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:04am
  - realityczech
    
    They even made a symbol for you people milky ⚧
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:23am
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      Who would have thought that the influence of those Weimar Jews extends even to Apia?
      
      Samoa’s prime minister said that in Samoa males are the first gender, females are the second but faafafines are the third gender and has urged members of the association to continue their good work.
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/319827/samoa-pm-praises-fa'afafine-association
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:07am
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      EAD doesn’t believe that transgender people have lived in Pacific societies like Tonga for centuries, because that fact is incompatible with his belief that Weimar Jews invented transgenderism.
      
      I suppose if someone is prepared to deny the Holocaust then it is only a short step to deny the well-documented practices of dozens of societies.
      
      Anyway, here’s a link to the Miss Galaxy beauty contest, which sees members of Tonga’s third gender battling it out. Tempted, EAD?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTMpv7lgXIs
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:46am
      - PhilBest
        
        Why only a “third” gender?
        
        Perhaps it is part of male dominance, that they can play-act as women if they want to, but you don’t see women play-acting as guys as part of the same “tradition”.
        
        I also recall reading that a lot of what the anthropologist Margaret Mead “scientifically observed” about Polynesians, was actually them slyly taking the piss out of a clearly unhinged and conceited white woman.
        
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        October 23, 2017 11:39am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “unisex”
    
    They take out the urinals. This is discrimination against men. Just because females lack the plumbing to pee standing up why should men be punished?
    
    This is what the feminist Freak Mafiosi is about , attempts to punish and eliminate heterosexual men’s natural advantages over females.
    
    Just like in the business world the fictitious “gender pay gap” is used as being used as a ploy to ban salary negotiations because men are superior at it.
    
    Females can not perform at the same level as men, so to keep up the Equalism illusion, methods are employed to handicap men.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:31am
    - nasska
      
      If the women want to sit on wet toilet seats that men have pissed over then let them get on with the agenda. 🙂
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:41am
      - waikatogirl
        
        nasska, every woman knows not to sit on public toilet seats. ?
        
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        October 23, 2017 3:39pm
    - jcuk
      
      Sorry Jazz but wait until you get older and loose the pressure to pee and value the waist high urinals in preference to needing to drop your trous. 🙂
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:45am
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      There’s debate over Margaret Mead’s findings about Samoan sexuality, Phil, though most scholars doubt the claims of Freeman, the clergyman with an axe to grind who tried to disprove her claims that Samoan youth had free sexual lives. I don’t know anyone who characterise Mead as ‘unhinged’.
      
      There’s no doubt at all about the existence of a third gender in Polynesia. It was around a long time before Europeans arrived, as songs and sculptures and oral traditions show. Anyone who goes to Tonga or Samoa or parts of the Cooks will immediately encounter the third gender. In Tonga fakaleiti dominate certain areas of life. A lot of them run cafes and bakeries.
      
      As for women acting like, dressing like, and identifying as men: there are a variety of cultures where this occurs. The Albanian word burrnesha refers to women who have become men. Human sexuality and human culture in general is infinitely various.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:54am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Human sexuality and human culture in general is infinitely various.
        
        Yes. Nature is wondrous in Her infinite diversity!
        
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        October 23, 2017 12:00pm
  - flipper
    
    You mean the public toilets inhabited by Colin Moyle ??? NO, neo-commies like him would never do that.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:34am
    - mikenmild
      
      Colin Moyle? Not your buddy Rob’s finest hour.
      
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      October 23, 2017 9:43am
  - starboard
    
    MM…toilet specialist.
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:58am
    - stigie
      
      Sperm specialist !~
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:04am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I prefer men to have their own toilets thanks.
    I have accidentally entered a man’s public loo when in a rush with a male grandchild.
    We left and found the woman’s one despite the child’s urinal.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:14am
    - PhilBest
      
      I accidentally nearly entered a woman’s toilet once because I was casually following a lycra-wearing cyclist who had obviously interrupted their ride for a pee, and whom I would have sworn from the whole body shape, etc, was a male. Fortunately I realised the mistake from outside the open doorway because there were what were obviously women inside (washing hands, using the mirrors, etc). I often wonder what they thought of the cyclist, who carried right on in.
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:49am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Lucky you, my grandson couldn’t be persuaded to use the urinal at Orewa.
        
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        October 23, 2017 4:49pm
- treadingthemill
  
  Gay mafia? Anyway, as mikenmild said it’s not a big change anyway. And Labour’s LGBTQ wing is not likely to push anything overly authoritarian. Remember Labour cannot pass any legislation without New Zealand First, who tend to be pretty conservative. I think you may be letting hysteria get the better of you.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:26am
  - realityczech
    
    “Labour’s LGBTQ wing is not likely to push anything overly authoritarian. ”
    
    WTF ❗ ❗ ❗ LOL 🙂
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:53am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Notice the “overly” qualification too. treadingthemill openly admits the Freakazoids are authoritarian.
      
      How about complimentary one way helicopter rides out to sea for treadingthemill and his cocks in frocks comrades?
      
      Nothing “overly” authoritarian about that surely, in fact a true NZ patriot would consider it a duty to his country.
      
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      October 23, 2017 10:42am
      - treadingthemill
        
        treadingthemill openly admits the Freakazoids are authoritarian.
        
        No, what I was saying is that people on the hard left, and the hard right as well, tend to be authoritarian and seek authoritarian solutions to issues. That does not mean everyone who is LGBTQ is authoritarian.
        
        How about complimentary one way helicopter rides out to sea for treadingthemill and his cocks in frocks comrades?
        
        Thankfully we don’t live in a fascist country, so your psychotic fantasies won’t be coming true. But, once again, I suggest a long course of therapy with a psychiatrist might be in order for you.
        
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        October 23, 2017 10:54am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Depends largely on how these weirdos measure ‘overly authoritarian’. I’m a normal female so who’s looking out for all the normal men and women and their rights re safe useage of a M or F toilet? I don’t want to encounter a Trani in a public F toilet.
      
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      October 23, 2017 2:55pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “LGBTQ”
    
    Wow, just wow, you left out like I don’t know how many sexual identities there. What about Intersex and Pansexual – JUST FOR FUCKING STARTERS, you shitlord!
    
    Stop fucking erasing sexual minorities!!!
    
    Stop being a fucking bigot, you are on the wrong side of history!!!
    
    #PunchANazi #meToo #KillAllWhiteMen #HeForShe
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:39am
- tf78
  
  Just call them all alphabet toilets.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:38am
VicParking

Just vomited all over my wheatbix. On a wim I looked at WO to read this “I am (SB) fortunate as a writer to have access to a powerful political platform. Whaleoil has been around for twelve years now and it is indisputably the largest and most popular blog in New Zealand. ”
I need to go back to bed to recover.
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October 23, 2017 9:15am
- kaykaybee
  
  It is very disputable in fact. The only commentary of relative substance is their chatty place. Articles are sparsely acknowledged and less commented on.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:36am
- Inandout
  
  What are their stats then?
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:37am
  - Digmen1
    
    According to Alexa they are right.
    
    Whale Oil is 315th top site in NZ for hits
    KiwiBlog is 445th.
    
    For info
    The Herald is 9th
    Trademe is 6th (they used to be 5th)
    
    But I have only ever been to WO once or twice
    
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    October 23, 2017 9:55am
  - PhilBest
    
    I was surprised when I learned a few years ago that WOBH had passed all other NZ blogs in page views. I think it was at the time of the Len Brown scandal. Every time Slater is in the news over some controversy, he gets a lot more views, and then some proportion of them become regular viewers. Obviously a lot of people starved of non-PC opinion.
    
    In times of stultifying PC, it is actually fun to get a regular dose of something that is an unashamed middle finger to the establishment. If the mainstream was less PC and more truly representative, there would be a smaller niche for Slater.
    
    Milo Yiannopoulos is a similar phenomenon. Ironically the Left loved “edginess” when it was them winding up a conservative establishment back in the day. Now they are the establishment, freedom of speech is an inconvenience.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:14am
- flipper
  
  Yep, delusions of grandeur, leavened with self aggrandisement, an idiosyncratic operating format, and toxicity !
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:54am
- KevOB
  
  WO is well on his way to becoming the blog version of NZ Truth, deceased. He is trying to imitate the dying media attempting to make money from advertising.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:13am
  - PhilBest
    
    But wasn’t “Truth” a progressive liberal provocateur thing, that got rendered irrelevant as progressive values became the norm?
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:21am
- MCos
  
  You obviously distain Slater, as do I. However, unlike me, you are drawn to his blog like a fly to the vomit in your Wheetbix, thereby inadvertently contributing to it’s viewer numbers by which it’s popularity is measured.
  You then vomit once again into your Wheetbix thus attracting more flies and the cycle continues.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:28am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Well, I won’t ever go back there after his traitorous behaviour around this election. I suspect a lot of former readers feel the same way, besides all those his pussy censor banned. Anyway, he will probably be bankrupted in the latest court sagas. One should not forget the animosity he had for Winston Raymond Peters, unemployed of St Mary’s Bay, a few years ago. Two faced traitor, just like Winston “Poll Pot” Peters.
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:35pm
realityczech

More death threats from the anti Trumpers. These people are terrorists and the only proper response to anti Trumpers is a military one.

Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters, a leader in the resist-Trump movement, recently told a New York audience that she will “take out” the president, a video posted online last week shows.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/22/rep-maxine-waters-says-wants-to-take-out-trump.html
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October 23, 2017 9:40am
dime

lol @ these new emboldened shithead lefties who are posting here now.

they actually think they won. bless.
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October 23, 2017 9:55am
- realityczech
  
  There are very few here. They were removed during the pre election pogrom.
  
  You are stupid and ignorant. Go away and read how MMP works. Also work on your maths. Having the highest percentage is not the same as having a majority.
  
  You seem to want a FPP result in an MMP election. Punch yourself in the head.
  
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  October 23, 2017 9:58am
  - dime
    
    realityczech – um great comment.
    
    ill slow things down for you a touch.
    
    “they actually think they won. bless.” = they are in government with nz1st. they have won nothing. they will barely survive this.
    
    now go suck a dick.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:25am
    - realityczech
      
      dime, thank you for sharing your craving for dick, but its a bit off topic. What is on topic is the fact 47% is not a majority of 100%
      
      Not too thrilled myself about an angry man hating communist running NZ but we voted for all this.
      
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      October 23, 2017 7:13pm
  - srylands
    
    “You seem to want a FPP result in an MMP election.”
    
    Please do not start that again. Yes I can count. Yes I know how MMP works. Yes I understand our Parliamentary system.
    
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    October 23, 2017 11:24am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The common everyday voter certainly did.
      
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      October 23, 2017 7:07pm
Simon

Buy US$ comrades
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October 23, 2017 9:57am
Digmen1

Yes I could not believe how nasty the anti trumpers were in the days after the election. (esp the “celebs”)
They lost, they should just get over it.

Meanwhile, I renew my call to import 10,000 guys from Kenya to start riots in our streets to call for a new election!
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October 23, 2017 9:59am
- softail 1450
  
  digi. you’d better get on with that ,in a very few months those Kenyans won’t want to come down here to a lower standard of living to what they are used to in Kenya .
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:14am
- holysheet
  
  Why go that far, just go to the local pubs. Offer them free booze for a week, tell them Cindy is getting her teeth fixed and a boob job in public and they will be there in their vagina masks for as long as you want them.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:18am
Pongo

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5006011/Ministers-call-treaty-use-term-pregnant-people.html

Not sure who advises the deeply unpopular British PM but if you think about all the issues pregnant women face around the world and in Britains over crowded and increasingly poor NHS her government is focused on the 3 trans people who have given birth.
Good to see the womens group fighting back as the incredibly powerful trans lobby lays waste to the world order.
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October 23, 2017 10:04am
Digmen1

I see the MSM is telling Jacinda what she must do in her first 100 days.

Its up to Jacinda what she does

Just report the news (facts) please.
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October 23, 2017 10:09am
- KevOB
  
  ~~Grandad Winston~~ Granny Herald, knows best.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:17am
  - PhilBest
    
    Your idol John Key’s entire strategy was “Granny Herald knows best” – on global warming, anti smacking, immigration, save-the-planet urban planning, mining, defence, nuclear, forestry on the west coast, funding private schools, urban train sets, PPP’s in health, teachers unions, etc etc
    
    It is not as if there is an alternative to government by the MSM – NZ’s Donald Trump hasn’t taken over the National Party and won an election, yet.
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:28am
- Rachael Membery
  
  It’s up to Winston what Jacinda does, imo.
  
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  October 23, 2017 10:18am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Agree. Winston’s not going to be pushed around by a young flippertigibbet now is he?
    “FLIPPERTIGIBBET” a frivolous, flighty, or excessively talkative person
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:47am
  - jcuk
    
    That may be the saving of Kiwiland ?
    
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    October 23, 2017 10:54am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Don’t you know it’s the msm coalition of losers running the nation now ?
  Do try to keep up.
  
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  October 24, 2017 3:50am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER ALERT!
23 October 2017

Thousands rally in Malta to honour slain Panama Papers journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia.

Murdered Maltese investigative journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia played a leading role in exposing the role of NZ foreign trusts in international money-laundering.

‘They won’t silence us’:

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4366590

On Sunday morning, all seven national newspapers had their front pages black in Caruana Galizia’s memory.

Printed in bold letters against the black backgrounds were the words:
“The pen conquers fear.”

Just before her death, Caruana Galizia had posted on her closely followed blog, Running Commentary, that there were “crooks everywhere” in Malta.

The island nation has a reputation as a tax haven in the European Union and has attracted companies and money from outside Europe.

The journalist focused her reporting for years on investigating political corruption and scandals, and reported on Maltese mobsters and the island’s drug trafficking.

She also wrote about Maltese links to the so-called Panama Papers leaks about offshore financial havens.
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http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/national/81521/continous_updates__thousands_attend_demonstration_in_wake_of_daphne_caruana_galizias_murder

Political commentator James Debono said that on Monday, Daphne was given the death penalty by someone who thought he was omnipotent.

It was very good that the government would do everything to catch the culprits he said, but that was not enough.

“We do not want to live in a mafia state, we do not want to be the washing machine of dictators’ and criminals’ money,” he said, “we need to show the criminals who killed Daphne that Malta has functioning institutions which we trust.

In the last years, the institutions have failed us, with the Panama scandal being hidden under the carpet.”
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Panama Papers journalist killed in Malta car bomb | Radio New Zealand News

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/341712/panama-papers-journalist-killed-in-malta-car-bomb

The Maltese investigative journalist and blogger who led the investigation into the Panama Papers scandal has been killed by a car bomb.

(Includes April 2016 Radio NZ interview with Daphne Caruana Galizia)

_________________________________

So – when is former NZ Prime Minister John Key going to be investigated over the Panama Papers?

On 1 August 2017, the Chair of Transparency International Jose Ugaz stated at a meeting of over 200 people at Rutherford House, Victoria University that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers.

How do I know?

I was at that meeting and heard
Transparency International Chair Jose Ugaz say that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers, myself.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 23, 2017 11:02am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray And Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:13am
- srylands
  
  Without cutting and pasting, can you please explain precisely what Key should be investigated for, under what jurisdiction, and based on what evidence?
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:28am
- Nermal
  
  What’s your rates demand up to now, Penny?
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:39pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off, Pay your Rates. And no, I didn’t read a word of your drivel. Just scrolled on by as most decent, intelligent readers do. You are wasting your time.
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:39pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You’ve licked that window clean Penny. Move on.
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:48pm
Monique Watson

Do not scroll up and read the above post it is a load of twaddle.
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October 23, 2017 11:06am
Monique Watson

Hahahaha:

Kermadec action by Nats.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11935754
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October 23, 2017 11:06am
stigie

“John Key should be investigated”

He is just one of a huge number that is laughing at you Penny..?
What say you fuck off !~
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October 23, 2017 11:10am
Fletch

Labour only just into power and already eco-terrorists are slashing tractor tyres of Canterbury farmers and spilling milk.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/tyres-slashes-milk-spilt-in-attack-canterbury-farms
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October 23, 2017 11:36am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  The revolution has started . . .
  They are attacking the means of production.
  
  Hide your women and children.
  
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  October 24, 2017 3:47am
MrTips

Reposted from GD yesterday for the new LW loons esp. Gobby who loved it so much. The coaliton of failz is a gift that just keeps giving:

P: Annnnndddddddddddd….welcome to the latest installment of My Coalition Rules….we’re your hosts Pit and Manure…

M: Allo!!!!!!!!!! I Like Le Cocq vewy mushhhhhhh….

P: Tonight we have a special guest from New Zealand. Welcome Jacind A

J: Its Jaw-Cinduh…….

P: Sorry…never mind. what have you got for us tonight Jaw?

J: Well, its a little something I like to call Communist. CockUp.Containing.Peters…CCCP for short.

P: Sounds bloody awful. Tell us more!

J: Thanks Pit. Well you just add a few dead rats; dim, intractable and rigid Greens – mix well and let that sit outside whilst you’re settling the rest of the dish off to one side.

M: I’m gagging already. Can’t wait for the sauce!

J: Of course Manure, let’s do this! Well, you find the oldest, most rancid used up piece of old donkey ass you can find and mix it with some Oil of Vitriol and a bauble or 4 of pre-chewed tofu. This is a bit of a dicey one and you have to keep an eye on it, especially with the other portion lurking around. If you let them mix too much it just goes off straight away.

P: (wretching offline)
M: Oh my hairy armpits……

J: Yes, she’s not for the faint hearted but I think that if you try it, it’ll grow on you.

P: Literally? Try it Manure, I dare you…
M: Sheet no, smells like Serge Blanco’s jockstwap…..

J: Come on. Seriously it’ll really be good for you!

M: Ow’ many people have you served this to?

J: 4.5 million.

P: Fuck. Are they still alive?

J: Who knows. I only eat almonds from Clarke.

P: Well there you are folks. A total bowel destroying and pancreas smashing concoction from the leader of NZ. Sounds like hardly anyone can stomach it. Bon appetit!

M: Tell me more about zis Clarke guy……….
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October 23, 2017 11:37am
waikatosinger

I see Robert Mugabe has been appointed as a “UN Goodwill Ambassador”. Why the fuck do we still belong to this useless organisation. It is an asylum and the inmates are running it.
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October 23, 2017 11:40am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  United Nations is a joke and should be dismantled. What a bunch of self serving parasites
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:58am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It can’t be dismantled, but it can be economically strangled.
    
    The problem is country leaders imagine their snouts in an altogether deeper trough once they graduate from national politics, and tend to increase funding to support their aspirations. Clark did that in 2009.
    
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    October 23, 2017 1:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  The decision has been reversed..
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5005719/WHO-withdraws-invitation-make-Robert-Mugabe-Ambassador.html
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:00pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Now they need to shoot the murdering bastard.
    Hillary style
    
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    October 23, 2017 4:35pm
realityczech

Israelis, or Jews as a whole, aren’t responsible for the sad plight of your rellies in Syria, realityczech.

No idea what you are babbling about, but as a point of interest the first to leave Syria were the better off educated Jews and Christians. Muslim immigration came much later in the countries history.

None of which interests us atheists very much dimwit. But please carry on with your ranting about conspiracies against the chosen ones. It demonstrates how religion is a cancer of the intellect.
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October 23, 2017 11:42am
- treadingthemill
  
  It demonstrates how religion is a cancer of the intellect.
  
  “Religion” is a useless generalisation. As in all things there is great variety and difference. Simplistic generalisations can also be a cancer of the intellect.
  
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  October 23, 2017 11:47am
  - realityczech
    
    Except when it’s Muslims eh ?
    
    It is an observable fact based on empirical evidence – that religion is toxic.
    
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    October 23, 2017 11:53am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Except when it’s Muslims eh ?
      
      In the time I have been here I have not said anything derogatory about Muslims, and anything critical I might say would apply equally to Judaism and Christianity.
      
      It is an observable fact based on empirical evidence
      
      Can you cite the scientific study that proves that all religion and spirituality is toxic?
      
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      October 23, 2017 11:59am
- MrTips
  
  Yup. Gregor Mendel, Newton, Francis Collins. All clearly thick.
  
  Dickhead
  
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  October 23, 2017 3:13pm
realityczech

Interestingly I have never seen the “nazi” [chuckle] EAD ever call for the persecution and murder of anyone.

Unlike the resident zionist nut jobs who’s screeching for war and persecution is a constant daily feature of KB.

Jews are taught to be wary of these Christian zealots for good reason. They are fickle and can turn on the Jews at any time. Christians are okay with religious persecution in principle. Their various attacks on Jews throughout the centuries have not been forgotten.
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October 23, 2017 11:57am
Brito

Ok here’s the analysis that matters.

Subject: See if you can pinpoint the problem

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim

The Beltway Snipers were Muslims

The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim

The underwear Bomber was a Muslim

The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims

The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims

The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims

The London Subway Bombers were Muslims

The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims

The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims

The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims

The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims

The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims

The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims

The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims

The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims

The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims

The Kenyan US, Embassy Bombers were Muslims

The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims

The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims

The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims

The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims

The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims

The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims

The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

***********But, DON’T JUMP TO ANY
CONCLUSIONS**************

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Christians = No Problem

Hindus living with Jews = No Problem

Christians living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem

Confucians living with Baha’is = No Problem

Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem

Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem

Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem

Christians living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem

Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem

Muslims living with Christians = Problem

Muslims living with Jews = Problem

Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem

Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem

Muslims living with Shintos = Problem

Muslims living with Atheists = Problem

MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************

They’re not happy in Gaza

They’re not happy in Egypt

They’re not happy in Libya

They’re not happy in Morocco

They’re not happy in Iran

They’re not happy in Iraq

They’re not happy in Yemen

They’re not happy in Afghanistan

They’re not happy in Pakistan

They’re not happy in Syria

They’re not happy in Lebanon

They’re not happy in Nigeria

They’re not happy in Kenya

They’re not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********

They’re happy in Australia

They’re happy in England

They’re happy in Belgium

They’re happy in France

They’re happy in Italy

They’re happy in Germany

They’re happy in Sweden

They’re happy in the USA & Canada

They’re happy in Norway & India

They’re happy in almost every country that is not
Islamic! And who do they blame?

Not Islam…

Not their leadership…

Not themselves …

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

YET, they want to change the countries they’re happy
in, to be like the countries they came from where they were
unhappy!

******** So, What are their Major Organizations? **********

Islamic Jihad : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR
ORGANIZATION

Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR
ORGANIZATION

With Political Correctness blocking our way and clouding
our minds we are unable to figure out just who it
is causing all these problems h
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October 23, 2017 11:58am
- starboard
  
  Ever heard of a link Burito…?
  
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  October 23, 2017 2:41pm
  - Brito
    
    Better read in the flesh. Links are so impersonal.
    
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    October 23, 2017 3:17pm
- MrTips
  
  If you think that the Hindus like Christians then I have a Coalition to sell you. It’s been tense for a while.
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/attacks-on-christians-worry-india/
  http://m.asianews.it/news-en/Radical-Hindus-attack-Christians-singing-Christmas-carols-32979.html
  
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  October 23, 2017 3:20pm
Captain Mainwaring

Great first F1 drive by Brendon Hartley. Didn’t put a foot wrong and increased his pace as the race went on, finishing 13th in an uncompetitive car. His fastest lap was a second quicker than his teammate’s fastest.
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October 23, 2017 12:03pm
Digmen1

It looks like Myanmar might be the place to live in!
By my napkin calcs there are only 400,000 Rohinga’s left in Myanmar.
A few more weeks should do it.
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October 23, 2017 12:06pm
- mikenmild
  
  Always refreshing to hear from a cheerleader for genocide on Kiwiblog.
  
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  October 23, 2017 12:16pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    Not so much refreshing as horrifying for me. There seems to be at least two or three people commenting here who need some psychiatric help.
    
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    October 23, 2017 12:20pm
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      Its the ones that are way past “some psychiatric help” and lean towards locked up for their own safety in a nice jacket and comfy padded room that really make you wonder.
      
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      October 23, 2017 12:35pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        You seem to have experience? Do tell.
        
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        October 23, 2017 1:41pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yesss.
        There was this jabbering loon the other week on here, who claimed he had a msc in peloclimatology when he wouldn’t know a proxie from his moms tit.
        Next day he claimed he was a trained commie killer who was keen to kill some more gooks.
        Total fantasist.
        Pretty nuts ….EH.
        
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        October 23, 2017 1:51pm
    - Brito
      
      Did somebody have an opposing point of view Griff. How dare they? But I guess when it comes to the pot smoking, climate change, sandal wearing left…I’m not surprised at your attitude.
      
      Why, if somebody argues, and quite rightly, that climate change is not man made but another part of the nature, can you and your type not see this?
      
      I hope the day doesn’t come when we all have to stand and sing the Red Flag and walk drone like to our tasks (see 1984).
      
      But if that day does come, at least the sea level will be the same and the ice caps will be the same as will be the gentle zephyrs which still gently caress your fair cheeks and flutter your wavy hair.
      
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      October 23, 2017 2:26pm
  - Nermal
    
    Only verified pictures of corpses so far are of Hindu victims killed by the “Rohingyas”. Pictures of “atrocities” against Muslims have turned out to have been borrowed from other places and times.
    
    The deportation of illegal Muslim Bangladeshi settlers is continuing. May be an example to be followed by other countries with the same problem.
    
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    October 23, 2017 1:50pm
    - cha
      
      The Rohingya, who sided with the retreating British forces in Burma while the Buddhists aligned themselves with the Japanese, have been there for two hundred years.
      
      They were shipped in by the poms as labour in the early 19th century.
      
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      October 23, 2017 2:42pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder how she addressed him. Was it Donald or Mr President?

Donald Trump calls Jacinda Ardern, passes on his warm regards to people of NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11935879
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October 23, 2017 12:21pm
- Viking2
  
  Well he didn’t call your boss. Probably couldn’t reach him let alone understand him.
  
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  October 23, 2017 12:27pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Warm regards? Thanks President Trump, we will need more than ‘warm regards’ with the loopy left and the open cheques.
  Did the Don send ‘warm regards’ to Taxinder? Highly unlikely, he pisses on socialists. Drain that swamp
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:19pm
Viking2

Bribing riders is now a core ‘business strategy’.

Auckland’s public transport is an essential service to deal with heavy road use.

But to get riders out of their cars heavy subsidies need to be offered.

Auckland bus riders paid an average of $1.40 per trip, but the rate-payer and taxpayer subsidised this by another $2.57. Each ride they took actually cost $3.97 on average, meaning there was a 65% subsidy.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90460/investing-requires-return-some-point-david-chaston-cant-see-how-aucklands-massive-public

Each Auckland train rider paid an average fare of $2.58 per ride but “someone else” paid another $4.53 per ride. Each ride actually cost $7.11, a 64% subsidy.

For ferries, the subsidising is not as heavy. Rides cost user on average $1.36 to be zipped across the harbour. But those rides cost the system $3.07 meaning each one is subsidised $1.69.

These subsidies add up. In the year to June 2017 they cost ratepaers and taxpayers a staggering $260 mln.
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October 23, 2017 12:29pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What about the trips I make using my newly acquired ‘Super Old Card’?
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:38pm
RF

Thinking back over the years I cannot remember an incoming PM getting so much grief from day one as this one.

This is deserved as the commie chic should get everything that is tossed at her.

I’m pleased to hear from various sources about her being a suspected communist.. some do not agree but at least it’s out in the open and being discussed.

I really fear her socialist politics will Stuff this country and our once great image will be sullied.

Silly me …. I just thought her being a hobbit hater was bad enough. Wrong… she is a commie wrecking ball.
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October 23, 2017 12:50pm
- KKKKatee
  
  She’s certainly not exuding any great confidence. Looking back on her election campaign, it was anything but ‘relentless posidividy’. Far from it – it was threatening, full of porkies – i.e promises to fix poverty which 4 days after the unofficial crowning ceremony now translates to putting a ‘dent’ in it. Backtracking already and the show ain’t officially on the road. Of course she’s asking for scorn to be heaped upon her – all she’s proven so far is that her ability convince us that she’s ‘transparent’ is, in fact, bullshit. Off to a bad start…….
  
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  October 23, 2017 3:09pm
- treadingthemill
  
  I’m pleased to hear from various sources about her being a suspected communist
  
  What sources?
  
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  October 23, 2017 3:12pm
  - RF
    
    treadingthemill.
    
    Where do I start … Presume you have a radio, TV and socialise with friends.
    
    The now famous socialist comrade video has had a very good airing plus the comments / discussions with Larry Williams and the noon hosts & overnight hosts on News Talk ZB for starters.
    
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    October 23, 2017 5:13pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      well – tv and radio let’s say . . .
      
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      October 24, 2017 3:38am
Viking2

“A doddering democracy”

China is increasingly smug as it looks at the state of western democracies. I doubt it sees much threat as strident “eastern European” partisan behaviour infects the west (undoubtedly curdled by Russian efforts).

As parties in the West increasingly represent special interest groups and social strata, capitalist democracy becomes more oligarchic in nature. The cracks are beginning to show, with many eccentric or unexpected results in recent plebiscites.

Under the leadership of a sober-minded, forward-looking CPC, Chinese-style democracy has never been healthier and China has absolutely no need to import the failing party political systems of other countries.

After several hundred years, the Western model is showing its age. It is high time for profound reflection on the ills of a doddering democracy which has precipitated so many of the world’s ills and solved so few. If Western democracy is not to collapse completely it must be revitalized, reappraised and rebooted.
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90343/david-chaston-10-more-things-you-need-know-about-developments-around-and-involving-china
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October 23, 2017 1:35pm
Jack5

British Minister calls for British volunteers to ISIL to be killed in the Middle East. A stark contrast with theBritish lawyer who wants them re-integrated into Western society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/22/way-dealing-british-islamic-state-fighters-kill-almost-every/
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October 23, 2017 1:49pm
- Nermal
  
  To allow them to return would be as useful as catching rats in the basement and live releasing them in the pantry.
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:54pm
- Longknives
  
  I fully expect our new Prime Minister to offer those fleeing ISIS Soldiers ‘Sanctuary’ in Aotearoa.
  Shit she might even pay them compensation like her good mate Trudeau does..
  
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  October 23, 2017 2:55pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    Even where that true, which it’s obviously not, what do you think Winston Peters and New Zealand First would think about that? Keep in mind she cannot pass any legislation without them. The paranoia here at a routine change of government is getting seriously daft.
    
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    October 23, 2017 3:17pm
    - nasska
      
      Some Acts include powers to make other laws, which are called regulations. I suspect that who can enter the country would be a “regulation”. Other promised changes may not require new laws to be passed by the House.
      
      Some one else may be able to enlarge on this.
      
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      October 23, 2017 4:11pm
- Brito
  
  Lets run a social experiment.
  
  They all return to Britain and are integrated back into society. If after 30 years it is successful there, other countries can then try it.
  
  But, all those who are to be reintegrated must live next door to this lawyer for at least 5 years first.
  
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  October 23, 2017 3:00pm
david in Aus

I think it is useful to look at the exiting National led governments and see how we have performed in terms of the hip-pocket.
How about Net income after tax from 2008 to 2016 (single adult no child)
2008 24th in the OECD US $23739 PPP
2016 19th in the OECD US $ 32585 PPP (latest data)

How about the last Labour government?
Data available
2000 17th in the OECD US$ 19497
2008 24th in the OECD US$ 23739

If history is any guide. Expect to receive relatively less income after tax over the next three years.
http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=55145
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October 23, 2017 2:01pm
starboard

I wonder if Herr Klark will be on Jizzcinders payroll
as a ‘consultant’ .
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October 23, 2017 3:48pm
- stigie
  
  You can bet the dirty Professor will be on an ever increasing payroll here on in !~
  
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  October 23, 2017 4:16pm
  - RF
    
    stigie…
    
    Has he left LAX yet ?
    
    I understand he was being kept there as a consultant in youth affairs.
    
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    October 23, 2017 5:19pm
    - stigie
      
      Will have to wait till Dad comes back, he has all the low down on the LAX affair regarding the Professor !~
      
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      October 23, 2017 5:31pm
- RF
  
  She could always be available to haunt the NZ War Graves overseas on behalf of NZ.
  
  I know some one who was part of the NZ Military Escort who visited France when Clark was PM. She wore a long black coat and appeared to float in the fog amongst the rows of NZ head stones in the WW1 cemetery.
  
  It was very scary to see her appearing out of the mist with the permanent scowl on her face.
  
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  October 23, 2017 7:04pm
Monique Watson

Husband hides out in woods for ten years to escape nagging wife.
https://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/real-life/husband-hides-in-woods-for-10-years-to-escape-his-nagging-wife-2-42006
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October 23, 2017 4:29pm
- nasska
  
  Shows what a nagging bloody woman can do to a man!
  
  Seen your dearly beloved recently Monique? Time to check the back of the section for caves & tents I reckon. 🙂
  
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  October 23, 2017 4:44pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Time to check the back of the section for caves & tents I reckon.
    
    Just imagine if Penny were to stage an “Occupy” protest on your front lawn!
    
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    October 23, 2017 5:14pm
    - nasska
      
      Not a problem Nostra. That’s what a man keeps dogs for. 🙂
      
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      October 23, 2017 5:17pm
      - stigie
        
        Why would dogs want to share their front lawn with rabble like this……..
        
        https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL726IxhjefCX1t6U6cq6wFRVUM6lSfB5koc-QCMBi_ed9s7fk
        
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        October 23, 2017 5:40pm
      - nasska
        
        They don’t stigie. A couple of times I had a bit of fun with itinerant Godbotherers trying to peddle their crap to the front door. Considering we were 50km from the nearest Kingdom Hall they must have been running real short of recruits.
        
        Anyway, a long driveway along a ridge made it easy to see who was visiting. All I had to do was wait until they neared the house then whistle up the dogs to escort them off the property.
        
        They were never in danger from half a dozen huntaways but God didn’t stop them breaking into a rare gallop by the time they neared the front gate. 🙂
        
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        October 23, 2017 5:52pm
- waikatogirl
  
  What a wimp. Bet there was more to it than working too many hours.
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:23pm
Monique Watson

Nah the section is clear apart from a bit of dogshit but I wouldn’t put it past dearly Beloved to be pitching a tent with his poker buddies over on the fourteenth hole at our Country Club. Havn’t seen him for a while. Leafly delivers right to the green and I’ve finished the tenth fucking load of laundry of the day; about to start on a rum so we’re both of us gonna sleep well tonight, regardless.
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October 23, 2017 5:31pm
- nasska
  
  What about his conjugal rights Monique?
  
  Satisfied, well fed men don’t stray. 🙂
  
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  October 23, 2017 5:34pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Over-breeders and their resource sucking lives – ha.
  
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  October 24, 2017 3:35am
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11935918

The current First Lady is an absolute Class Act all round.
Compare that to her predecessor the vile Michelle Obama..
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October 23, 2017 5:39pm
Viking2

I was a National MP for 15 years, and today I’m excited about Jacinda.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-10-2017/i-was-a-national-mp-for-15-years-and-today-im-excited-about-jacinda/

I guess Mapp has been asleep for say the last 9 years.

If you are reading Mr Mapp, I’m just a bit younger than your Dad and never in 50 years of business have I seen so many businesses and their people so busy and making so much money. Never in all that time everywhere in NZ.

Indeed 9 or more years ago most of them were leaving the country due to past behavoir of both National (of which you were a part) and Labour Govt.’s.
This last National Govt. has reversed the previous 25 years of shit management and governance of NZ. Something that you contributed too.
“Well, we now have a new government with Jacinda Ardern, as New Zealand’s youngest prime minister in 160 years. People, both those who voted for her and those who didn’t, will be excited at the prospect of the new. ”
It ain’t Jacinda that bothers most of us, its her running mates Robertson, Little and Peters.
Back to the dark ages we go.(with your support).
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October 23, 2017 5:50pm
- realityczech
  
  Yep and we voted for it. Including the MMP system that allowed it. It is the democratic expression of the people.
  
  Losers always blame the electoral system. Just look at the vermin who attack Trump and Brexit.
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:54pm
- RF
  
  Unfortunately Wayne Mapp is like a dog chasing a car. If he caught up to it he would not know what to do.
  
  Some people just want to get into politics just to feel the power. The party you finish up belonging to means nothing.
  
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  October 23, 2017 6:54pm
Nostradamus

University of Otago academic turned back at US border

Associate Prof Vicki Spencer said she was refused entry to the US while leaving Vancouver Airport in Canada on October 10.

”Things went seriously awry when I attempted to enter the United States for 20 days on the visa waiver programme as an Australian citizen.”

She intended to spend two weeks in the University of Oregon philosophy department as an independent researcher fully funded by the University of Otago, as well as giving a seminar at Northwestern University after being invited to do so by a colleague.

So what did the University of Oregon philosophy department and Northwestern University miss out on? Here’s the answer:

Vicki Spencer is an Associate Professor of political theory. … Her research encompasses seventeenth and eighteenth-century European thought and contemporary political theory with a focus on culture, identity and the concepts of recognition and toleration. … Her most recent book is a collected edition, Toleration in Comparative Perspective (Lexington, 2017), which disrupts the assumption in Western political discourse that toleration is a uniquely Western idea by examining comparable ideas in Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Daoism.

One wonders if she interviewed ISIL fanatics before drawing any conclusions about Islamic toleration.
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October 23, 2017 6:58pm
- realityczech
  
  Of course. She challenged the narrative established by the radical extremist Jews who run America. Her lack of hatred towards the people zionists hate means she can not go to America.
  
  This is not even news.
  
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  October 23, 2017 7:02pm
Monique Watson

Conjugal rights go both ways Nasska! In my experience, one party rolls over and goes straight to sleep while the other is left to toilet duck the loos and load the dishwasher. Still; Can’t complain as I get freshly ground coffee and Eggs Benedict in the morning!
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October 23, 2017 7:36pm
- RF
  
  Monique.
  
  Not being crude but sleeping in the wet spot is the test of a loving relationship.
  
  In my youth it was the size of Asia now it’s Stewart Island.
  
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  October 23, 2017 8:38pm
nasska

Bob came home drunk one night, slid into bed beside his sleeping wife, and fell into a deep slumber. He awoke before the Pearly Gates, where St. Peter said, ‘You died in your sleep, Bob….’ Bob was stunned. ‘I’m dead? No, I can’t be! I’ve got too much to live for. Send me back!’

St.. Peter said, ‘I’m sorry, but there’s only one way you can go back, and that is as a chicken.’ Bob was devastated, but begged St. Peter to send him to a farm near his home…. The next thing he knew, he was covered with feathers, clucking, and pecking the ground. A rooster strolled past. ‘So, you’re the new hen, huh? How’s your first day here?’ ‘Not bad,’ replied Bob the hen, ‘but I have this strange feeling inside. Like I’m gonna explode!’ ‘You’re ovulating,’ explained the rooster. Don’t tell me you’ve never laid an egg before? ‘ ‘Never,’ said Bob. ‘Well, just relax and let it happen,’ says the rooster. ‘It’s no big deal.’

Bob did, and a few uncomfortable seconds later, out popped an egg! Bob was overcome with emotion as he experienced motherhood. He soon laid another egg — his joy was overwhelming.

As he was about to lay his third egg, he felt a smack on the back of his head, and heard his wife yell….. ‘BOB, wake up……. You’ve shit the bed!
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October 23, 2017 8:11pm
Left Right and Centre

Welcome to ‘how it could only possibly get worse’ . .
Episode V – coalition of the losers strikes back . .
Darth Winston to Jacinda Skywalker . . .

Jax – I am . . . your **father**. (ooooor-paaah, ooooor-paaah) Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Join me – feel the power of the dark side, and together we shall rule the universe. It is . . . . your *destiny*.
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October 24, 2017 4:00am
Left Right and Centre

Welcome to celebrating cultural diversity with your host, LR&C . . .
At supermarket – dumb non-English speaking fob Indian parents – allowing under five child to put hands in bulk bin peanuts. Third world ugly mother dressed in cheap sari chic.

I ask them to stop their child from doing it – and of course zero reaction. I suppose – at least she wasn’t a firkin dalek. And then I heard some of those aliens from ‘Mars Attacks’. Or it was Mandarin. One or the other. I am so culturally enriched – it’s like it’s not even NZ – oh cool. Shit they were loud. Feeling quite at home now – let’s be really loud then.
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