General Debate 22 October 2017

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Pongo

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/98122008/kermadec-ocean-sanctuary-put-on-ice-by-nz-first-catching-greens-unaware

Great start, now if National have any sense they will try and push this through by shaming the Greens into supporting the bill. Think of the mischief and how quickly they could put the coalition off to a terrible start.
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October 22, 2017 8:02am
- PaulP
  
  If the greens had even just gone through the motions negotiating with both sides they might have been able to get legacy environmental policies through like this. Especially since it was National Party policy already. So stupid!
  
  It’s a real shame they are a socialist party first with the environment a distant second.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:05am
  - Southern Raider
    
    National should remind them constantly what they could have had
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:36am
    - oldpark
      
      Yes instead of being running dogs for NZs version of Pol Pot, Winston Raymond Peters “Dictator”. The sicko who has changed the direction and dreams and schemes of Hardworking NZs who believe in truth and fair play. Certainly not to be shafted by a bitter deranged clown who was more interested in earning $1500 per day himself and **** who suffers because of it.Talk about a Legacy,yes same category as Pol Pot.
      
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      October 22, 2017 10:20am
    - Sam_Bro
      
      Who owns the Kermedecs?
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:42pm
- godruelf
  
  If my maths is correct the greens actually have to support canning the sanctuary bill. Abstention won’t stop it. Can someone give a couple of dead snapper.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:37am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Wrong; Nats plus Act = 57; Labour + NZF = 55.
    
    If the Greens abstain, this Bill would pass. However Labour will park it down the bottom of the Order Paper so it never gets to the House.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:02am
    - Pongo
      
      Imagine the Greens abstaining on the creation of the worlds biggest marine sanctuary not to mention the dissapointment of all those young environmentally aware folk who jumped on board the Jacindamania wagon.
      The National party need to get out of bed there is work to do.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:08am
      - GoVege
        
        Don’t you love the way “iwi” are happy to decimate native species in the name of $$$$?
        The Greens SHOULD abstain on this one.
        
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        October 22, 2017 11:24am
      - Sideoiler
        
        The National party need to get out of bed there is work to do
        
        Perhaps if they had not been asleep at the wheel, they wouldnt be in the position they find themselves they ar in now!
        
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        October 22, 2017 1:29pm
  - starboard
    
    Excellent reading..
    
    http://www.nzcpr.com/losers-take-power/
    
    “Not only has Winston Peters put radical socialists into power, but during the announcement of the new Government, he made the astonishing move of talking down the economy: “Our negotiations have taken place against a backdrop of changing international and internal economic circumstances which we cannot ignore. We in New Zealand First believe that an economic correction, or a slowdown, is looming, and that the first signs are already here.”
    
    What an arsehole.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:24am
    - mic
      
      An excellent article from Muriel Newman, reflects my feelings exactly. This is the kind of stuff that our media should be writing and not the rubbish we have to read on a daily basis.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:33am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Damn the MSM, the internet is the most democratic thing we’ve ever had. I gave up on the MSM when they kept maligning and misquoting Trump. I make a point of listening to what politicians actually say and then coming to places like this for analysis.
        
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        October 22, 2017 9:47am
      - realityczech
        
        The internet is censored. Google search results are tampered with, YouTube, facebook, twitter are all heavily censored. They do not even make a secret of it.
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:34pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      An “A” grade Arsehole at that…….
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:58am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Already my colleagues are predicting a snap election within 18 months.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:23am
    - starboard
      
      Jizz-inder certainly has her hands full.
      
      I still only give this clusterfkuc of a coalition 18 months max before it completely implodes.
      
      Please hang around Bill, you will be required.
      
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      October 22, 2017 10:11am
- Southern Raider
  
  And did you read why Winston did it?
  – funding for NZ First came from fishing industry
  – Iwi pressure
  
  So all those fuckwits who voted for Winston because he was there for the man and not big interests and also would stop Iwi influence….suckers
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:38am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Question for Green and NZF voters (hat tip – Lydon. J): Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:53am
    - Doubledimp
      
      Hmm, Winston / Lydon, Lydon / Winston. If you squint your ears, you can almost hear the similarities.
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:08am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I just spent some time on the New Zealand First Facebook page to check their reaction. There is some anger, but the majority are giving congratulations to Winnie for his decision. Many have bought fully into Comrade Taxinda’s statistics about child poverty and homelessness. Facebook might not include many seniors who trusted him to go the other way, though.
      
      It astounds me that NZF supporters had so little clarity about where this man stands. Even many who are pleased with his decision had been very uncertain which way he’d go.
      
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      October 22, 2017 4:41pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Many have bought fully into Comrade Taxinda’s statistics about child poverty and homelessness.
        
        Because they are not just her statistics, they are a reality. Where I live people living on the street was rare and confined to the inner city. Now we are seeing homeless people everywhere. Child poverty is a reality also, though I don’t blame National for that, but their response was too little and too late. The rapid increase in homelessness however is their fault. The fact that we have a housing crisis was obvious at least three years ago, and National did nothing substantial to mitigate it. By the time of the election that was another case of too little, too late. Nine years is a good innings, but National got complacent and so most people voted for a change.
        
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        October 22, 2017 5:06pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Been cheated James would be the understatement of the year. Totally rogered is a better description and they ain’t seen nothing yet.
      
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      October 22, 2017 6:52pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Fool me once…..etc
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:59pm
- NZpatriot
  
  Get this!!:
  
  “[Green Eugenie Sage] told Stuff she was not aware of the Kermadec sanctuary being killed off. “We have yet to see the coalition agreement between Labour and New Zealand First,” she said. “I’m not going to comment on speculation and rumour.”
  
  So does this really sound like a durable arrangement? The Greens are committing to support a Coalition Government that they seem to basically know nothing about??
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:32am
  - projectman
    
    That’s because the Greens gave them a blank cheque – can’t be anything else if they didn’t bother to find out the details of the Labour/NZ First agreement.
    
    I wonder what the reaction of the Green membership would have been when voting to support the coalition if they had known they were already being sold down the river. Oh yes, environmental matters are of little concern now to the melons.
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:20pm
- Liberty
  
  The coalition has only been going a few days . Already the coalition is in disarray.
  Labour are going to give the Green a good deal claimed Shaw.
  No they haven’t. The Greens are not in Cabinet and Labour and NZF
  have just shafted the Greens by killing of the Kermadec sanctuary
  to appease Winstons Friends.
  If the Greens have any fibre they should walk out now.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:41am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If the GG has any fibre she won’t allow it to happen.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:48am
    - Piniwi
      
      Get off the grass Captain. She is too busy trying to match the French toy-boy’s makeup spending.
      
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      October 23, 2017 12:57am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Yeah, but we all know they have no fibre, they are gutless and desperate for any bauble crumbs they can scavenge in their scramble for relevancy, blinded by ideology.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:57am
  - Viking2
    
    Makes this all very interesting.
    Given that the Greens had a supply and confidence arrangement which they appear to have naively signed, without having access to the agreements with other parties, will they feel that have been stiffed?
    
    When they see and analyze those other party agreements could they pull the plug and do a deal with National.
    They have been invited.
    
    Fun in the future and simply not an enduring relationship when it is founded on a deceit.
    
    I have watched Davis very closely during this time and as far as I can tell he has not uttered a word in public. He has watched Jacinda like a hawk at every interview I have watched.
    Either he is her minder till she is rolled in favour of Nga Puhi (and they are indeed despised and traitorous as history reveals), or he doesn’t like what has been done.
    
    Time will tell and he hasn’t been given a role yet.
    Watch that space.
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:17am
    - starboard
      
      Davis is out of his depth. He always looks uncomfortable.
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:04pm
      - RF
        
        Never mind Aussie will deport a few more crims for him to hug and he will feel better.
        
        Think of them as a child’s security blanket….
        
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        October 22, 2017 12:49pm
    - Ross12
      
      Did he not say that if Charter schools were rolled “he’d walk” or something similar ? I doubt he would but the Muriel Newman linked by Starboard says canning the schools is a top priority. ( Willie Jackson also has a “problem” with this issue.)
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:08pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      If Shaw had half a brain, he’d say “that’s it go back to the electorate”. Winny “Pol Pot” Peters would be history if an election was held tomorrow. The Greens would get a significant bump as they would be perceived to have principles. He could then canvass his voters and explain that he would be open to either a Nat Green or Lab Green arrangement based on certain policies that would be bottom lines. If Nat got a better result, they could ask the Greens to allow them to remain a minority Govt in return for a whole bunch of environmental policy concessions, without necessarily being in Co-alition…. But as I said, If they had half a brain….
      
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      October 22, 2017 1:13pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    They should. But they won’t, such is the quest for power.
    This is astonishing.
    Does not bode well.
    Early election, anyone?
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:11pm
- V
  
  Well it was said yesterday that the oppositions job will be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
  
  Little did we know it would involve actual fish.
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:14am
- V
  
  Can’t wait for James Bean to make a statement on this.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:43am
- Southern Raider
  
  Now that Maori Party are gone National should also point out the hypocrisy of the fishing quotas that Winston is defending
  
  – when did Maori ever fish anywhere outside of coastal harbours
  – how many NZ flagged ships are used under those quotas
  – where do the crews of the ships used under those quotas come from
  
  Yes Iwi paper work used by Asian ships with Asian crews
  
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  October 22, 2017 12:22pm
softail 1450

it’s going to be a great laugh over the next few months ,unfortunatly it will be the most expensive comedy show known to mankind.
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October 22, 2017 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  I suspect the Rapefugees Welcome scam in Germany would be costlier.
  
  ‘The crime was notable for its brutality, but also for the fact that Eric X. was an asylum seeker from Ghana. People who have arrived in Germany seeking asylum are disproportionately likely to be suspects in rape and sexual assault investigations, police statistics show.’
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20171019/man-who-raped-camper-while-holding-saw-sentenced-to-11-years-in-jail
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:23am
  - Southern Raider
    
    A man from Gaza just got off in Ottawa for raping his wife multiple times as “he had no criminal intent” as he believed it was illegal for a woman to say no
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    kowtow, but at least our F/U will supply us with a few laughs and undoubtedly some cringing .
    don’t think the Germans found any humour in their cockup.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:28am
Doubledimp

“No child left in poverty”. Given Labours lack of requiring accountability or personal responsibility, does this mean we will see an explosion of breeding among the lower classes because “the government will give us money”?
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October 22, 2017 8:06am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Comrade Taxinda to Lisa Owen: “My plan is to introduce the legislation – it’s already drafted – which sets out what our measures of poverty will be.”
  
  Problem solved! In her socialist utopia there will be no more child poverty, because she will change the definition.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:13am
  - Doubledimp
    
    Interesting prediction, considering they argued for a measure of poverty that put more children in it than National did. If they reduce the number of children now, they look like hypocrites.
    
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    October 22, 2017 6:55pm
Manolo

The enemy my of my enemy…
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/21/us/politics/mccain-cancer-trump-career-twilight-speech.html
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October 22, 2017 8:06am
Luke Piewalker

So Jacinda is going to lift low skilled $15/hr workers up to $20/hr. Okaaaaay so that means the existing more skilled $20/hr working is now going to want/expect a lift to $25/hr (because its unfair that they have worked hard to upskill themselves and why should the low skilled worker get the same as them)
In one stroke of the socialist pen we have inflation.
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October 22, 2017 8:08am
- mandk
  
  No. They’ll want $27 to maintain the differential.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  whats wrong with that. All it will do is give them more in WFF.So the taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
  They will need a lot more of those money trees than we ever thought were around.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:18am
  - Paulus
    
    WFF will be expanded to cover all women irrespective of the having a working relationship.
    Of course going to Winz is a job so that’s working.
    – Father a dead breed now so it does not matter.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:25am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      A welfare based society totally destroyed many US communities. Instead of hardworking families, giving their children the best start they could and going to church on Sunday, they now have deadbeat sperm providers {I won’t call them fathers} and women and children barely coping on welfare or even worse w. drugs and alcohol.
      
      A woman running vapor cigarette ‘stop smoking’ courses was on Nat Radio this morning, telling us how the women on her courses spent a hundred a week on tobacco. Where was that coming from? If any were beneficiaries or low wage, was that a cause of ‘child poverty’?
      
      Btw, I say this while in total support of gay rights, people’s need to leave abusive relationships and as an atheist. Just so you see I’m not socially ultra conservative.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:42am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I heard a guy on the radio last week who said he was offered a job by a new employer for $200 per week more than his current wage for doing same work.
    
    He turned it down after he worked out it would negatively impact his WFF payments.
    
    What a fucked up system.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    So what about the people who actually pay the wages; the employers? This could potentially cost my businesses around $175k per year, and I can assure you there is no fat whatsoever in those businesses to absorb this. Watch costs go through the roof.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:05am
    - Ambergris
      
      So the consequences will be you have less profit and therefore will pay less tax? You might also decide to change your business model or even stop business altogether. Certainly you won’t feel encouraged to expand your business if your return is lowered. If you can you might increase prices so those buying your product/service pay more.
      
      The wage earners will likely pay more tax and as already noted claims to keep relativity will push up all wages so the tax take will increase unless there are tax cuts or changes to scales.
      
      I assume National Super payments will also increase unless they fiddle with rates. 66% of the of the after-tax average ordinary-time weekly wage will increase in $ terms won’t it. And it will remain payable at age 65!
      
      Oh dear what a mess!
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:38am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The nature of our main business is such that our prices are fixed. I either need to find $175k worth of savings by cutting costs and staff numbers, or we simply close the doors and send all our staff to WINZ. Neither option is palatable.
        
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        October 22, 2017 1:13pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Watch unemployment escalate….
      She hasn’t thought this far ahead has she ……
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:50am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        She is like the dog chasing the car down the road, yap yap bark bark yippity yap!
        
        And the dog finally catches it and finds that it does not have a clue what time do next.
        
        I know what happens next; the dog will look at it, bark a couple more times and then slink off down the road to wait for the next car to chase.
        
        The alternative end that happens on occasion, is that the dog goes under the wheels. Oh dear, how sad but stupid is as stupid does
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:13am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      One consequence will be businesses ‘letting people go’ to be able to pay the remainder the new wages. Huge rise in unemployment.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:52am
    - JibberJabber
      
      What the Labour and their voters don`t, can`t, won`t get is that, the people they are trying to punish for being successful are, by and large, insulated/ immune to their punitive measures and it ends up being the workers that suffer, it`s the way it is, always has been, always will be.
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:42am
      - starboard
        
        Inflation will go up..interest rates up..mortgagee sales up..cost of food up..petrol up…its going to be untidy.
        
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        October 22, 2017 12:08pm
    - big bruv
      
      Dont forget the access that you will have to give during working hours to the union rep. Expect a whole lot of trouble to come from the scum unions.
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:35pm
    - Sam_Bro
      
      @keepstock. Maybe you should take that $175k and put it into something you can roll over every mouth or to and think about shortening your time horizon to a professional trader in line with volatility.
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:53pm
  - freethinker
    
    If the pre election spending promises of Labour, NZ First & Green are delivered about $35 Billion.
    
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    October 22, 2017 3:18pm
- dime
  
  One of the first things I learned about in third form economics back in 1990 was the wage/price spiral we had in the early 80’s.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:43am
- stigie
  
  “In one stroke of the socialist pen we have inflation.”
  
  We have people losing their jobs and some businesses closing down as wages are unaffordable..?
  Socialism works well until other peoples money runs out !~
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:47am
- srylands
  
  It will just accelerate the demise of low skilled jobs. Look at supermarkets. In a few years you will just have shoppers wheeling their groceries through the scanning machine. The supermarkets will employ one big guy to discourage theft. One guy in the loading dock. A couple of guys to load the stacking robots.
  
  $20 an hour will just super charge the pace of change.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:46am
  - artemisia
    
    Amazon in the US is looking to the ‘no checkout’ model in its bricks and mortar stores. Once the kinks are ironed out, this model will become all but universal real fast.
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:56pm
    - GazzaW
      
      As a family we have spent $11000 with Amazon in the last twelve months. We have never had any human contact, physically paid any cash nor visited a retail store. When Amazon opens in Australia we shall doubtless spend more as freight costs reduce. Now is not the time to be adjusting wage rates significantly in the retail sector.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:41pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        I’d suggest that not only are you exaggerating your purchases but your position.
        After all, everything you’ve said has been off topic, pointless and trite Gazza,
        
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        October 22, 2017 9:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Awwww look. Poor butthurt lil Sludge is trying to troll someone else.
        You’re just making shit up now.
        Careful the anchor doesn’t drag on your ‘yacht’
        Snigger.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:00pm
peterwn

I think Bill and National were doomed before 4pm Thursday. Winston was attempting to gazump both sides at the last minute and Bill quite rightly closed his wallet. If Bill gave NZF one more Ministerial position he would have tried to squeeze another out of Jacinda and regardless of her response plumped for Labour. Negotiations should have been finished at that point, to try a last minute gazump showed a lack of integrity on Winston’s part and strongly showed National should have nothing to do with him.
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October 22, 2017 8:10am
- oldpark
  
  The sticking point for National in negotiations was Peters wants to change the RBNZ act. As well as a few other gems. One of them was that all NZ males had to have a prostrate gland check. If they didnt they would not get their Superannuation. Bill English told him to get the **** out and see a taxidermist.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:17am
  - peterwn
    
    You mean Winston wanted all NZ males to have an annual DRE (digital rectal examination) ie finger up the bum.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:42am
    - softail 1450
      
      Peterwn, there would have been 100% agreement with passing that law in the Labour Party,probably would have changed it to a quarterly check in the hope of turning some of us.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:34am
      - peterwn
        
        Actually provision for prostate testing already exists. A GP can prescribe a free PSA test for males in the vulnerable age group, usually along with other ‘bloods’ considered appropriate.
        
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        October 22, 2017 12:22pm
    - VicParking
      
      At least it would have been by a doctor wearing a glove under Labour it will be by Robertson as he, at the same time lifts, our wallet from our back pocket.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:35am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I’d hate to see it become law that all females undergo a 3 yearly smear test. If I want to take myself off and have a smear test, then it’s up to me and nobody else’s business. Because I’m a responsible person, I take myself to undergo said test and am always relieved to find I don’t have cervical cancer festering away. Similarly, it’s ludicrous that Winston Peters is even hinting at making a prostate check mandatory. Verging on dictatorism if there’s any such word….
      
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      October 22, 2017 10:13am
    - Ross12
      
      If that was meant to be the PSA blood test then I don’t see anything wrong with that. I know the blood test can give false positives but I’d much rather have that and then go on to a better test even if it proved the original blood test was false.
      Talk to someone who has prostrate cancer.
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:01am
      - Flash
        
        prostate! No R.
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:44pm
    - starboard
      
      mm, sam green, scott chris..D4J..just a tad too keen on a DRE.
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:11pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Instead…we all got ‘the finger’.
      
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      October 22, 2017 2:09pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Agreed Peter. I get my PSA checked annually as part of a free comprehensive blood test. I have done so for the last nine years and it seems to be standard practice.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:47pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Bill should have countered that only if all MPs pass a dementia test before they aren’t sworn in.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:56am
  - srylands
    
    Yeah but it is not “prostrate”.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:48am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      We will be prostrate by the end of these 3 years!!
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  Winston is a classic blackmailer.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:26am
  - peterwn
    
    All the more reason not to go with him. WO reckoned that Winston would have wanted Bill’s scalp as a pre-requisite to negotiations. I reckon now that Winston would have wanted Bill’s scalp on a platter before Parliament re-sits.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:45am
    - Disaster Area
      
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      Surely if Bill thought that Labour/NZF/Greens were about to tear the country to pieces and turn us into the Venezuela of the South Pacific, he should have tried to prevent it by doing the honourable thing and resigned?
      
      For the good of the country.
      
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      October 22, 2017 8:57am
      - peterwn
        
        Or do a James II and taken the next flight to Sydney.
        The joke is now on WO and all those who voted Winston ‘to teach National a lesson’ and wound up with the prospect of an ultra socialist state – if it was not so funny. IMO Winston is even worse than I thought he would be and thank goodness he did not choose National.. Kudos to Northland voters who voted Winston in the 2015 by-election but knew what was in store so returned to the fold in 2017.
        By the way the more he extracted out of the ‘host’ party the more vulnerable the ‘host’ party would be at the next election.
        
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        October 22, 2017 12:17pm
  - starboard
    
    he’s a maori..
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:12pm
    - david
      
      What does that suggest starboard?
      Could it be that he will start tattooing the faces of those he has “captured” and who are now his slaves in anticipation of an uptick in the market for tattooed heads.
      I suppose he has 7 plus from the Labour Caucus to start on.
      
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      October 23, 2017 7:25am
- Notsofast
  
  They could have stuck to that principle that John Key applied from the get go. Surely everyone understands the government was decided election night. Who goes into business with associates that have declared they don’t trust you? Winston waited 9 years for this sweet moment, almost served cold.
  Hehe.
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:25am
  - starboard
    
    Hows the Lundy appeal tracking there NSF ….*chortle*
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:13pm
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      At the close the Court discussed more information on some besieged science (mRNA) on a timetabled basis, and submission on whether a retrial should or should not follow any quashing of the convictions. So looks like things are tracking well for ML. No chortles required.
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:58pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Bill had no chance with Joyce in his team.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:58pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    And Bennet
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:58pm
oldpark

All Blacks lost to Australia.Not a problem. The meglamaniac wee Dictator Winston Peters will make them” winners”.
Just the same way he changed the rules and anointed “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern by default as NZs PM. Before the day is out Peters the Political chameleon,will have turned the All Blacks into “winners”,in the same way he chose to create,the myth and lie ,that “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern is an elective “winner”.
The only truth is Ardern was selected for the job by Peters the wee Dictator as PM, not elected by the people.
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October 22, 2017 8:11am
- V
  
  It’s OK though because Steve Hansen came out before the match and said the team was about to crash. There will be some who attempt to blame him and the players, but that it wouldn’t be his fault.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:15am
  - VicParking
    
    The writing was on the wall. Not lost against the Aus in 15 matches. Why did we not see it. The capitalist rugby union has to go to be replaced by a socialist one. Lower those rich prick rugby players wages to $20 an hour. Allow stop play union meetings and 50% of the team must be women and/or transgenders.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      vic ,or the Aussies ,argies,and South Africans could pool their scores and become a winning coalition of the losers, the AB’s would never win another game.
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:38am
- holysheet
  
  Nah it’s like our new Govt. Take out the kiwis playing for the aussies and add them to the All blacks and violla, we have won after all.
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:58am
mandk

The All Blacks have a 100% loss record under Ardern.

She should resign.
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October 22, 2017 8:13am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Bit of a worry these guys can’t win without John Key towelling them down afterwards.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:54am
- Disaster Area
  
  If anyone ever needed a textbook definition of the saying ‘Correlation does not mean causation’ then people blaming Ardern for the All Blacks loss is probably it.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:00am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Can you really not see a joke?
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:02am
- tom hunter
  
  mandk?
  
  Word of advice. Add a smiley face after such comments – for the slow ones.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:25am
Ross12

It looks like we might have an East v West Europe developing from a political view point. In the Czech elections the right wing Euroskeptic Andrej Babis’ ANO party has “romped” in. Still got the coalition negotiations to go but he has big lead over the next largest party.
Add that to Hungry , Austria , Poland all with strong anti immigration stands and we see a significant divide occurring.
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October 22, 2017 8:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Good on them. Who would have thought, back during the Cold War, that Eastern Europe will be its saviour?
  
  German conservatives are so hopeless now that some retirees are actually moving to Hungary. At least Austria has gone more Centre/Right, but most Germans are too scared to ever be patriotic again. Ironically, a lot of antisemitism these days in Europe is coming from… islamists!
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:07am
Longknives

Anyone else find it ironic that Labour campaigned on ‘Relentless Positivity’ yet they have been nothing but Negative since ‘winning’ the Election?
First Winston grumbles that an Economic Collapse is coming- ‘But it won’t be this Government’s fault’
(Surely the most bizarre winning speech in NZ Political History?)
Now Ardern has gone on the attack against Capitalism,Sexism, the works… and is moaning away that New Zealand is the worst place in the World!
One would imagine she might be a bit more positive about a Country that just gave a young woman with no work or real life experience a 600k Salary..
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October 22, 2017 8:16am
- sooty
  
  Young woman! My arse, she’s 37!
  Go to specsavers, you’ve got a problem.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:38am
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha I saw her talking to High School kids about ‘Our Generation’ during the Election campaign and figured she must be early 20s!
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:39am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Old enough to be a grandmother
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:50am
    - sooty
      
      Is she a late starter. Just imagine all the churnalist wetting their panties if she married and had babies. Could she sell the interview rights or will she have open it up to every news hack?
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:13pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Even better if she gets to walk down the aisle. It’ll be given the status of a royal wedding by the msm. It’ll be nauseating to say the least……
        Just had a wee thought – Winnie & Jimmy as the bridesmaids..,…
        
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        October 22, 2017 2:05pm
Paulus

May we assume that when Cinderella goes to the APEC Conference in Vietnam shortly her master/mistress Gay something will accompany her to protect her from pussy grabber Trump.
May we also assume that we the taxpayer will pay for his first class airfare and accoutrements or will he pay hos own bills.
Whilst quite normal for previous married Prime Ministers but he is only her current squeeze.
Surely Winston should accompany her to see that she toes the lines he demands in his putting her on the throne.
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October 22, 2017 8:22am
- VicParking
  
  Winston has to go, otherwise she wont get the saving from Trivago’s twin share supervalue fares on China Air.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:40am
- renderer
  
  Given Jacindas views on capitalism it should be safe to assume she will travel economy class on a budget airline.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:54am
  - Digmen1
    
    Or one of those Russian built airplanes….
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:57am
  - KKKKatee
    
    I fully expecting Ms Ardern and the boyfriend to be ‘slumming’ it in Biz Classs or does the PM get to fly 1st Class? What a truly socialist PM should be doing, however, is offering her very comfortable seat with all the perks to some poor passenger squashed up in Economy class down the back of the plane (Clarke as well). That would be a proclamation to her subjects that she truly believes in walking the talk on behalf of all the ‘poor’ back home. Yeah right – “Just pour me another glass of Champers as we enjoy our luxurious flight thanks to the hard working peasants back in NZ”.
    Crikey, she’ll be made mincemeat by all those alpha-males the minute she opens her gob and spouts a load of nonsense. Better to keep your trap shut Jacinda at APEC and not lecture the world leaders on the results of nasty capitalism.
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:33am
    - david
      
      Air Nz does not have 1st Class so you are suggesting that she will eschew flying with them and instead fly someone else’s airline or whistle up the NZAF and it’s aging Boeings?
      
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      October 23, 2017 7:31am
      - Flash
        
        Haven’t we got any Bristol Freighters left?
        
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        October 23, 2017 9:50pm
V

Uh Oh. Seems the Minister for Simunovich Fisheries has already been busy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/98122008/kermadec-ocean-sanctuary-put-on-ice-by-nz-first-catching-greens-unaware
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October 22, 2017 8:24am
- emmess
  
  Bring out the Green gimp.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:39am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The Minister for Simunovich Fisheries.
  There is a degree of cynicism, sarcasm and facetiousness in that ugly sobriquet.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Minister for Scampi would suffice.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The Greens have just discovered the pitfalls of joining in a coalition they had no discussions about or input into.
  
  Oh dear; how sad; never mind.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:08am
big bruv

Shall we talk about the rugby?
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October 22, 2017 8:26am
- MCos
  
  Wellington win again
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:31am
- RF
  
  Yes please.
  
  Did I miss something…..
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:40am
- Colville
  
  bruv…did you watch it? didnt sound like much of a game , I only had the score ticking on my phone. I see the media rated SBW as player of the match.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:42am
  - big bruv
    
    Of course I did not watch it, to be honest I did not even know the game was being played.
    Still, I always enjoy it when the NZ team loses. I can just imagine how boring and pathetic their fans would have been last night.
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:43pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Why not. Australia played superbly, and the All Blacks made too many errors.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:09am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Can’t score points if the tactic is to kick the ball to their empty space to find the space not quite so empty.
    
    Oh, and Barnes is a cock.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:20am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      Good game Aussie may have edged the All Blacks forwards apart from in the scrums. I think the ABs missed Retalick in the tight/loose, but more the unpredictable Beauden Barrett behind the scrum. Sopanga? was swamped each time he ran and yes we did drop too much ball.
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:26am
    - big bruv
      
      Lol, so it’s the ref’s fault is it?
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:43pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Barnes was fine, but the All Blacks’ discipline let them down. Williams had a storming game as did Cane, but both made critical errors as time ticked down. We definitely miss Retallick’s physical presence. And McKenzie is very much a work in progress at #10 where he seemed completely out of sorts after Sopoaga was subbed.
        
        Read led by example, and had his best match of the season by some distance but overall the All Blacks were outplayed.
        
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        October 22, 2017 1:17pm
Fletch

Chloe Swarbrick is sharing this analogy on Facebook – discus….

Allow me to explain MMP
There’s one mince and cheese pie left in the shop it costs $5
Bill has $4.50
Jacinda has $3.70
Winston has 70c
James has 60c
and David has 5c
No one has enough money to buy the pie by themselves but Jacinda, Winston and James. put their money together and buy the pie. Bill gets no pie because he needed 50c but didn’t have any friends to help him pay for the pie.
I hope this helps explain things.
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October 22, 2017 8:35am
- emmess
  
  The shop keeper could just discount the pie by 10%.
  That’s fair.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  Once they get the Pie Winston swaps it for a whisky, Jacindia eats the paper bag and James gets nothing.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:44am
  - RF
    
    Jacinda misses the pie and bag and bites off 3 fingers because of her overbite.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:09pm
- Colville
  
  what she didnt add is that Winston gets to eat all the good bits of the pie and just leave crumbs for James.
  
  James is stupid, if He and Bill had clubbed together then James would have got a feed of pie… but nooooo James wont talk to Bill because his Mums said Bill is a bad man , but no one quite knows why he is a bad man..
  🙂
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:47am
- oldpark
  
  Yes she is more dopey than first thought. Lets see how she handles the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary blindside by Dictator Peters and “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern.That was meant to non negotiable. This will test the principles of the so called” Green Party”,will they sign up for the coalition.
  Maybe a deal with the Nats may not be so bad after all. They have been done like a dinner. Peters.Ardern partners in lies illusion,and confusion.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:48am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Heh, Principles, the first thing you do when you don`t have Principles is talk up large about Principles.
    And if you don`t like the Principles they don`t have, they have others they don`t have also.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:09am
  - VicParking
    
    It is going to be fun when National twist questions about the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary so they can ask them to the Minister of climate change.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Bill didn’t want the pie anyway. He was on his way home to make pineapple and spaghetti pizzas for his family.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:10am
- dubya
  
  The pie spent the best part of the month in the warmer so one hopes the eventual purchasers all perish from the inevitable poisoning.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:24am
- fylde
  
  With the greens the price of the pie will go up – assume it was vegan
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:34am
  - softail 1450
    
    no,no,no,fylde ,don’t mention vegan ,you’ll trigger the maniac “vege”.
    
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    October 22, 2017 9:47am
  - KKKKatee
    
    This is all over Facebook so I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s her original. For all we know she could have copied it off someone’s page. And vice versa of course.
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:25am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, she did copy it and not claiming it is her own. I don’t think she is that smart. The original author (listed at the bottom) says it’s Eva Allan.
      
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      October 22, 2017 4:18pm
- fisho
  
  Oh that’s brilliant isn’t it, she is wise beyond her years.
  Apart from the fact she neglected to tell us that Winston wanted mince and cheese, Jacinda is a glu-tard thus preferred a wrap and James is vegan.
  Bill enjoys a mince and cheese pie himself, when he’s not chowing down on home-made spaghetti and pineapple pizza, however Winston is a cunning bastard and knows if he chucks his lot in with Jacinda and James he’ll end up eating most of the pie himself.
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:02am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The pie was thermonuclear – always blow on the pie
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:53am
- niggly
  
  That’s a bizarre and ridiculous analogy because being food using her logic the pie would have to be shared by the losers (when the idea is to have the pie for oneself).
  
  Put it another way, using her bizarre analogy the same situation could apply if buying a house. Family A doesn’t have enough money so in Chloe’s simple mind it’s not a problem because Family B, Family C and Family D can scrape enough together to buy the house. Except of course, the idea won’t work because you will have 3 different families owning a house when they all really wanted their own one for their own families!
  
  Ah, the mind of a socialist (Chloe), applying socialist answers to problems that don’t require socialist answers!
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:06am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    That’s south Auckland – except they don’t own the house man.
    
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    October 23, 2017 3:29am
- KevinH
  
  Jacinda and James told Winstone that they hated Bill and did’nt want him to have any pie at all.
  Winston said hang on I’ll ask Bill how much pie he will give me if I share my money with him.
  Bill told Winston he would give him two bites of the pie but Winstone wanted at least half.Bill said no to that.
  Jacinda and James said they would give Winston a good deal and give him a third of the pie.Winston said he would only give James a nibble and that he wanted half of the pie at least.
  Jacinda said ok because she was really hungry and did’nt want Bill to get any pie at all.
  Winston agreed to share his money with Jacinda and James but insisted that he gets the first and biggest bite.
  Bill said you can have the pie I’ll get the next one and won’t share it with any of you guys.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:10am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Perfectly explained.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:28am
- Viking2
  
  Wait until during the eating, one of them spits on the others piece of pie.
  
  😆 😆
  
  Don’t think that James will like winny’s poo.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:32am
kowtow

Here’s a good one from the Guardian. And it’s true there is a ridiculous TDS going , our media are part of it.

‘ Meanwhile, a world away in Beijing, Xi Jinping spoke for three and a half hours with assurance and clarity on how China and its global role will evolve and grow over the next 30 years.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/20/trump-xi-world-leader-chinese-communist-party-congress-speech

And while the media obsess over every tweet by the Don , or who a fat Hollyweird perve showed his cock to ,how many have reported this ?

‘The head of China’s securities watchdog has applauded President Xi Jinping for “saving the Communist Party” by foiling a coup plot by former political heavyweights.’

Reports of a coup ,and our media obsess about trivia.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2116176/coup-plotters-foiled-xi-jinping-fended-threat-save
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October 22, 2017 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  This is why our political system is superior. Winston only spoke to ten minutes. His bullshit was must more succinct.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This is the first time I have seen the Chinese leadership talking directly of its global role.
  Brush up on your Mandarin over the next few years…there will be some cheap real estate and failing businesses on the market soon.
  
  Our new socialist experiment will need propping up.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:53am
- Jack5
  
  China is building up its naval power in the South China Sea.
  
  For New Zealand Leftists and centre-Leftists, it will become harder to balance Chinese and Western trade and other interests.
  
  The Chinese Navy is part of the People’s Liberation Army, and In his speech Xi pledged to transform the PLA into a world-class fighting force by 2050. The Chinese Navy has two fleets, North and South, and is now building up the South Fleet, which plays a key role in asserting China’s territorial claim over waters disputed by South-east Asian nations and Taiwan.
  
  http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2116412/chinas-south-sea-fleet-gets-new-unit-pla-looks-boost
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:21am
  - cha
    
    Latest in the series covers undersea dominance.
    
    https://warontherocks.com/2017/10/through-a-periscope-darkly-the-nuclear-undersea-competition-in-southern-asia-is-just-beginning/
    
    https://warontherocks.com/category/special-series/southern-discomfort/
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:31am
    - Jack5
      
      That was an interesting post, Cha. Thank you.
      
      For those of us, like me, confused about the names of the branches of China’s defence forces, I cribbed this from the CIA World Factbook:
      
      People’s Liberation Army (PLA): Army, Navy (PLAN, includes marines and naval aviation), Air Force (Zhongguo Renmin Jiefangjun Kongjun, PLAAF, includes airborne forces), Rocket Force (strategic missile force), and Strategic Support Force (space and cyber forces); People’s Armed Police (Renmin Wuzhuang Jingcha Budui, PAP); PLA Reserve Force (2016).
      
      AND:
      
      18-24 years of age for selective compulsory military service, with a 2-year service obligation; no minimum age for voluntary service (all officers are volunteers); 18-19 years of age for women high school graduates who meet requirements for specific military jobs; a recent military decision allows women in combat roles; the first class of women warship commanders was in 2011 (2012)
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:48am
- wiseowl
  
  Xi Jinping in that three and a half hour speech mentioned ‘safeguarding Chinas sovereignty and protecting its culture.’
  Meanwhile National were not prepared to do the same for this country.
  If it is true they would not cut mass immigration and stop selling off this country bit by bit then they were not listening to middle NZ.
  They have learnt nothing from Brexit or the USA.
  There was no growth in our economy and we were well on the way to being tenants in our own country.
  They blew it.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:28am
- Jack5
  
  Will the NZ police soon go along with Chinese police in rounding up people Beijing wants back, in the way that Fijian police have?
  
  http://fijisun.com.fj/2017/08/09/police-kept-quiet-to-not-jeopardise-chinese-anti-fraud-operation-qiliho/
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:28am
RF

I am going into business selling suitcases.

Under this new communist Govt, wallets and purses will be too small to hold small change so for day to day expenses suitcases are required.

Folks this is just the beginning so fasten your seat belts.
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October 22, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  One up on you. I’ve cornered the wheel barrow market
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:43am
Digmen1

Its now no longer WFF (Working For Families) Its now just FP (Family Package)

So if you have some children the government will pay you more to stay home and do nothing.

That’s why I’call it FFS (For F.. Sake)
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October 22, 2017 8:55am
Huevon

The Beehive, Wellington, Tuesday 24th, 9.30 am, Prime Minister Ardern chairs her first Cabinet meeting…

“¡Comrades! We have #changedthegovernment! We will eradicate capitalism from this country! ??? But first the Deputy Prime Minister has some words. Mr Peters, you have the floor”

“Thank you Prime Minister”, Winston begins.

“Excuse me! Wow, just Wow!” There is commotion at the back if the room. “It’s 2017, people!” “Where’s the safe space? Where’s the safe space?!?!”, someone screams.

“What is it?”, Jacinda exclaims. “Let Mr Peters speak!”.

“Prime Minister, the Green Party objects to the patriarchal normativity of this meeting!”, says Under Secretary for Sexual Violence Prevention and Elimination of White Male Privilege, Jan Logie. “I can’t even…”

“But I’m a female Prime Minister, comrade. You needn’t worry. We should focus on our programme. Let’s do this! Now, Mr Peters, please continue.”

Chaos ensues. The Greens link arms and sing kumbyyay. Eugenie Sage puts tap across her mouth emblazoned with “We will not be silent”

“James, please do something. Bring your members under control this minute!”, Jacinda shouts to the Green Male Co-leader James Shaw.

“I’m sorry Prime Minister, your insistence on assuming gender pronouns is totally unacceptable. The Green Party can no longer support this government. Goodbye.” The Green Party leaves the room.

“I should have just stuck to making Clarke’s almond milk.”
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October 22, 2017 9:03am
- jcuk
  
  Wishful thinking I suspect by Huevon 🙂
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:38am
- softail 1450
  
  huevon, if there is going to be a big commotion at the back of the hall it won’t be the greens ,it will be willie Jackson when he realises he’s not actually in charge,,,,,,
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:55am
  - RF
    
    Willie will be too busy playing with his Willie as he has been made redundant.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:15pm
- Piniwi
  
  On that note. A question for the ladies who render up so much here to enjoy.
  If your stallion complained about the lack of milk for his coffee would you get up at 3am to squeeze almonds?
  IMO she is besotted in their shallow relationship and might be reticent about leaving him home alone too long.
  On the other hand WP will be prompting her to travel long and far so he can slip on his crown. There might be troubled waters ahead in the House as well as in the home. Lol
  
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  October 23, 2017 1:28am
fylde

The Barcelona situation is getting out of control on both sides. This morning I saw on the news a group of young Catalan nationalists calling Madrid Franco fascists but direct rule is divisive.
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October 22, 2017 9:32am
- Digmen1
  
  I’m more concerned about the split Kurdistan. Its about time they got their own country.
  
  (But they seem to have stuffed their chances)
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Israel agrees with you.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/israel-becomes-first-state-back-independent-kurdistan/
    
    Just seems the rest of the Middle-East aren’t too keen on granting Kurds autonomy.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:58am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Yep those Islamist racist Turks won’t be lining up to support the Kurds
      
      The Iraqis also owe the Kurds big time for saving their arses but will also stay silent
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:13pm
NZpatriot

Also, in addition to scrapping the Sanctuary, Stuff reports that National would not compromise on the below things, whereas Labour agreed with NZ First:
•cutting property sales to foreigners due to negative investment signals and FTAs
• not reducing immigration by 30,000 due to labour shortages
•not fucking with the Port
•not shifting RBNZ inflation goals to include exchange rates and employment.

So to me that actually demonstrates strong integrity from English. I wouldn’t want the Nats to have to agree to that stuff, that would be a joke to me.
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October 22, 2017 9:35am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Well, in crowded Auckland I wasn’t keen on the immigration levels staying so high. Also, a few house sales to foreigners is one thing, but our farmland?
  
  But I swallowed those rats and still voted Nat for many other reasons, somewhat reluctantly.
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:51am
waikatogirl

Marama Fox on Q+A says “The Maori party was schackled to the National party” National invited the Maori party into the tent when it was not even necessary to form a government. Schackled!!!

Fox says maori tossed their party out, with her losing her well paid job, having blamed the Maori party for the worse living standards. Fox is very bitter and angry that she is now out of her well paying job, stating she would have preferred the Maori party to be included with the coalition of the losers.
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October 22, 2017 9:48am
- niggly
  
  The Maori Party worked constructively with National under the leadership of Turia, Sharples and Flavel. There was no bitterness from these three, as the two parties traded to achieve policy gains. There was respect, the perfect ingredient for working in a MMP environment.
  
  IMO the problem with the Maori Party that saw them voted out is actually Marama Fox. Although I think she is sassy and strong, she was simply too aggressive and bolshie (which everyday people don’t actually like), and too negative when it came to National. She was giving the voters mixed messages about National (and Labour, the “abuser” of Maori, but was talking favourably about them at times). She also couldn’t win her seat twice.
  
  Although I do admire her because of her strong will, I believe she needs to stand-down from the MP co-leadership and let someone else have a go. If Lance O’Sullivan takes the male side of the co-leadership, and they select a less-activist type female co-leader, the MP will regain seats from tokenism Labour. Whilst the MP could be pragmatic again and align with either Labour or National, at least National will have options and numbers as support again when forming a new Government. Otherwise next election we know that the Greens won’t support National (they won’t change) and NZF even if they make noises that they could work with National (so they are not painted into a corner like Greens and attempt to win back support), are naturally not to be trusted.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:29am
- oldpark
  
  Wonder why Fox didnt mention the ratfaced arsehole Willie Jackson half european who bullshited the maoris to vote Lie-bour. Yes the same Party that brought in the Seabed and Foreshore act.
  Bucket mouth Fox half european is in good company with the other half nitwit european Willie Jackson.
  Talk about racism,wonder which half is culpable.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:49am
  - GoVege
    
    I’m not fond of either of these individuals….but do you have to be so rude?
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:07pm
    - oldpark
      
      Yes!
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:23pm
Digmen1

If the Maori Party had been more vocal in the gains they had made for Maori and said they would stick with National to get more gains, then they may have got more votes and we may still have had a National Maori Party government.
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October 22, 2017 9:54am
- Ross12
  
  I think the main thing the Maori Party should push is they are example of Maori getting organised to help themselves and not rely on the Maori seats. It is showing they are prepared to fight on an equal footing with others. That is what they should be proud of.
  ( I don’t agree with many on KB that the MP is a racist party.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:15am
  - GoVege
    
    How are they helping Maori, Ross12?
    And how are Maori’s needs so different from other races that they need their own race-based party?
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:11pm
    - Happychappy
      
      So what do you think Labour’s Maori wing is and what have they or Labour achieved for Maori apart from authorising the Raids on there own people that the white man has had to pay compensation for.
      
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      October 22, 2017 2:08pm
    - Ross12
      
      There is no difference between the MP trying to represent Maori than the Labour Party representing the Unions or National representing business. They are representing a sector of society.
      
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      October 22, 2017 2:35pm
      - niggly
        
        Well said Ross as well as your 11.15am post.
        
        In this age of MMP anything goes eg TOP All Pussycats/TOP Up More Taxes Party, Red Green Watermelons Party, MeTu’s former McGillicuddy Serious Party, Penny Bright’s Rates Dodger Party, Exiled in Russia NZ Internet Party ….. bloody hell with that lot the Maori Party were the most sanest!
        
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        October 22, 2017 5:28pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    I can’t imagine what you think Maori have to be proud of.
    
    Like it or not, and I don’t, there is no Maori doing anything of note, anywhere, that isn’t there simply because they’re Maori. It really doesn’t matter if they’re able or not, worthy or not, etc. That’s the position they’ve put themselves in.There is no possibility that they are on an ‘equal’ footing with others – they insist on having superior precedence in all things – able or not.
    
    Legal and PC compulsion remains compulsion and everyone knows it – notwithstanding that some agree with it, some don’t, and a whole lot are somewhere in between. Legally and in a PC dominated society, they are always one-up. Let’s hope the financial rewards are satisfying – or satisfaction of the need to control. Because in every other part of reality, everyone knows beyond all doubt that they can’t succeed in anything without positive discrimination – simply because they don’t and won’t, which presumes can’t. Not least in those who know this are Maori themselves.
    
    The story with women is pretty much the same e.g. Ardern and Labour may be happy that a whole lot of women voted for her because she’s a woman, or youth because she’s ‘younger’. They all know beyond all doubt that doesn’t make her able, worthy, or valid somewhere in their consciousness. I’m sure they ‘hope’ or are prepared to believe she is – but they know that’s not why she was ‘elected’, especially with Winston’s help. As above, no-one knows that better than her who orchestrated it.
    
    What’s to be proud of?
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:06pm
    - Ross12
      
      What I meant Anne is here is group who have got together by themselves to push for what they believe in , without asking for any advantage others don’t have. That is good, in my view.
      
      I see it as no different to TOP who decided to form a party to push their policy beliefs by themselves (yes, they had the advantage of Gareth Morgan’s bank account) but essentially they got off their rear ends and worked hard to have a go. I respect that, even though I agreed with very few of their policies
      
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      October 22, 2017 2:41pm
    - sam green
      
      Sorry to disagree Anne of Green Gables but I suspect you live in an echoing bubble. I know many Maori who have significantly achieved and are making contributions to our country in academia, law, company strategy, medicine and the arts, as well as being great parents and contributing taxpayers. Because they are talented and not simplistically as you put it, because they are Maori. You need to get out more.
      
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      October 22, 2017 7:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        Spam you seem to have avoided the main thrust of the comment with your fictitious story about all those significantly achieving Maori you hang out with.
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:23pm
      - sam green
        
        Got a job yet?
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:42pm
      - starboard
        
        Link to all of these please green sam.
        
        ” significantly achieved and are making contributions to our country in academia, law, company strategy, medicine and the arts, as well as being great parents and contributing taxpayers.”
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:43pm
      - sam green
        
        Do it yourself or are you wanking with your google hand again?
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        I tried to google it and it auto-corrected to; Did you mean maori under achievement ?
        
        That result linked to numerous studies and statistics proving maori under achievement. It is also the view of maori activists and those working to improve outcomes for maori.
        
        Maybe Spam just wants all that assistance for maori shut down because he reckons they don’t need it ? Dunno he doesn’t say…
        
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        October 22, 2017 8:01pm
      - sam green
        
        No job then?
        
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        October 22, 2017 8:07pm
      - starboard
        
        Oh, so you cant. That means you are talking shit again. Don’t you hate it when you are called out.
        Go to bed silly little man.
        
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        October 22, 2017 8:31pm
      - sam green
        
        Go fuck a lady boy.
        
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        October 22, 2017 8:43pm
      - starboard
        
        So you spout shit that you cant substantiate green sam, then turn abusive. Cock smoker. Slither back to the strandard loser.
        
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        October 22, 2017 9:10pm
      - sam green
        
        A small selection:
        
        http://tuhonowhenuahort.co.nz
        http://www.nzatvenice.com
        https://www.healthpoint.co.nz/dr-david-jansen/
        http://sheapita.co.nz
        
        I don’t like doing this Starboard because you dispute any tiny bit of evidence that Maori fully engage successfully in any part of NZ. Why should I feed your lack of ability to see beyond your own prejudice? I’ve given you some links but you don’t give a fuck – it doesn’t suit your narrative. Fuck off to Thailand and go and exploit some sex workers you fucking worm.
        
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        October 22, 2017 9:47pm
      - starboard
        
        How rude.
        Not sleeping well? Marriage on the rocks?
        
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        October 22, 2017 9:55pm
      - sam green
        
        Sleeping well. Solid relationship.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:00pm
      - starboard
        
        Not what she tells me.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:05pm
      - sam green
        
        Classic displacement when presented with information you just can’t comprehend.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:13pm
Tokyo_Joe

Hot off the press from Redbaiter – Out of the quagmire into the quicksand – https://truebluenz.com/2017/10/21/out-of-the-quagmire-into-the-quicksand/
(NZ election related)

Kiwiblog and its commentators get an honourable mention.
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October 22, 2017 10:02am
- stigie
  
  I hope Nasska got an honourable mention..?
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You jest,
  
  the paragraph in question:
  New Zealand’s primary “right wing” blog is a disappointing ode to Progressivism. As this is being written, the lead article on Kiwiblog is a critique of the new govt for not having enough women in its Ministry. Commenters there call each other right wing bastards, and left wing bastards, but really, they’re almost all the same, and don’t have the political perspective to discern otherwise. We’ve turned a blind eye as the political spectrum has shrunk to the far left quarter of the available space.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:04am
  - Brito
    
    “Commenters there call each other right wing bastards, and left wing bastards”
    
    I’d say that was on a good day.
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:23am
  - GazzaW
    
    Slater won’t like that ‘Kiwiblog’ and ‘NZ’s primary right wing blog’ appear in the same sentence. Poor old Pete may get the DCM.
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:55pm
- Viking2
  
  Lots of unpalatable truth in his blog.
  But as says the Nats won’t get it and neither will many of the proponents of the centre.
  
  Which makes most of you lot socialists. Join the Labour Party.
  
  Way back I used to point out that founding document which the Nats. removed from their website and their reason for being. Key was responsible for that. But then sometime soon many will see key for what he really is;
  
  A gambler.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:50am
  - Viking2
    
    O f and if you are wondering where the cross party dresser is he has commented on Redbaiters blog
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:55am
  - UpandComer
    
    Well enjoy the rainbow reign of people who think the family is a social construct structure to be replaced by the state, and that private property is a patriarchal construct designed to oppress minorities. Those huge incoming defence cuts will be great too. We don’t want to hear from the retard right ATM. You dumb dumbs don’t get it. We did your formula under Shipley and Richardson. It don’t work dumb dumb.
    
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    October 22, 2017 2:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    ” Key was responsible for that.”
    
    He was responsible for saving the party and updating it.
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Three Terms…
      
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      October 22, 2017 11:09pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes TJ, I actually read that TrueBlue page, not understanding you were joking! He’s delusional if he thinks NZ will ever be particularly far right. We’ll never give up public healthcare and some sort of welfare system.
  
  Key was successful because he stole a bit of ground from Labour, while still promoting private enterprise. Some called it ‘Labour Lite’, but it worked: clearly what NZ wanted.
  
  If Nats had paid a bit more attention to immigration, housing and clarifying what ‘child poverty’ and ‘homelessness’ really mean, they would be in government again.
  
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  October 22, 2017 12:02pm
  - Ross12
    
    I don’t agree with all Redbaiter says but I like the fact that he always makes me think about the issue
    which is something most commentators in the MSM, in particular, fail to do these days.
    
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    October 22, 2017 12:18pm
- realityczech
  
  Red does not seem to be taking on the “relentless optimism” message 🙂
  
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  October 22, 2017 5:17pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I don’t think he knows how to be positive ?
    
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    October 22, 2017 6:46pm
V

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11935491

Not that National were particularly good at arresting the decline, but PC decisions like this will become the norm.

Are people of such weak will these days that because McDonalds sponsor the Ronald McDonald houses, this causes them to go out and excessively consume fast food?
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October 22, 2017 10:20am
- GoVege
  
  Their chips and burgers are revolting….but they make great cappuccinos. 🙂
  
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  October 22, 2017 12:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes they need to take out all the lettuce, bread and other crap and make the whole burger out of meat.
    
    They also need to cater for those who don’t want to eat animals by offering Dolphin and Whale burgers. They are just stupid fish that never evolved to extract oxygen from water. They are a genetic dead end and deserve to die.
    
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    October 22, 2017 7:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dolphin and Whales are just stupid fish that never evolved to extract oxygen from water.
      
      What’s your position on the Aquatic Ape hypothesis?
      
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      October 22, 2017 9:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Children can be free to enjoy Maccas at any time… but associated with a hospital? The nutritional value is bloody low and really it is just shit that is a treat once in a while. The baby elephant children you see stumbling along the street are very likely to be Maccas or KFC dependent. It is perhaps better to save them while young, rather than pay enormously when they are adults. RMH is not sponsored purely out of charity, it is designed to keep the Maccas intake constant.
  
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  October 22, 2017 2:29pm
Notsofast

Multi choice question. The hairs in the picture drawn of Christine Lundy’s bagged hand 24 hours after the murders are
1. Christine Lundy’s
2. Mark Lundy’s
3. Some one else’s

They have not been found since by investigators.

Here is the link to Steve Braunias’ herald article where he posts the picture.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11935358
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October 22, 2017 11:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Notso, your bandwagon has been running so fast the wheel bearings have seized up.
  You are going to be one disappointed puppy when the decision comes out.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:34am
  - GoVege
    
    Why, Cap’n?
    Where’s the actual evidence against Lundy?
    
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    October 22, 2017 11:59am
    - starboard
      
      His wife’s brain matter on his shirt
      
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      October 22, 2017 12:20pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Touching concern Captain, but I am law abiding and suicide is now illegal.
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:19pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      You would have more respect if you ‘came out’ from behind a pseudonym.
      Joe Karam and the people (not into self-aggrandisement) that championed Pora (yes I could have googled) were at least not phantoms.
      The only thing of note to me in this case is that Christine’s brother seems to be giving Lundy the benefit of the doubt.
      Otherwise I agree that no husband should have his wife’s brain matter on his shirt.
      With Bain there was the twaddle about ‘innocent transference’ credit to Justice Binnie.
      If the chain of custody of Lundy’s shirt and Christine’s brain matter were to cross contaminate, that should be verifiable, yes?
      
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      October 22, 2017 2:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        There is apparently considerable doubt that the stain actually IS brain matter, Rachel.
        And it’s entirely up to Notsofast if he wants to divulge his identity.
        He’s still entitled to express his opinion.
        
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        October 22, 2017 4:39pm
      - starboard
        
        It’s brain matter. The fat poor actor is guilty of 2 horrendous murders. He should fry…or at the least, rot in hell.
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        “You would have more respect if you ‘came out’ from behind a pseudonym.”
        
        Why ?
        
        So vile bottom feeding vermin can try and shut down debate with personal attacks ? Those sorts of people are scum and should be removed from society, don’t you agree ?
        
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        October 22, 2017 7:45pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Rachael, obviously it is not brain on the shirt. However the crime scene has 6 evidential components that show someone other than Mark was there.
        By now you would list them if you followed the appeal submissions by Jonathan Eaton. The fact that Morgan ignores them should concern everyone, because that killer is loose.
        
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        October 22, 2017 8:13pm
- GoVege
  
  Thanks for the article NSF.
  Surely it is obvious that if the hairs found clenched in Christine Lundy’s hands, and the skin found under her and Amber’s fingernails does not match Mark Lundy’s, then someone else murdered them.
  Also there was no blood whatever in his car.
  That’s not to say he didn’t put somebody else up to it, but it could not have been Lundy.
  But you would think that any person capable of such a brutal crime would have previously been through the justice system and fingerprinted.
  
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  October 22, 2017 11:56am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    May have been finger printed but not necessarily had their DNA taken.
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:03pm
  - Notsofast
    
    In fact everything Morgan said in the appeal court is false. He was repeating the case manufactured by the police,
    Witness X has been disproved.
    Paint flakes are proven to come from off the property not from the garage.
    The bangle on the floor of the car could not fall from the blood soaked jewelry box without forensic trace.
    Immunohistochemistry did not show CNS tissue and nothing else. Skin flakes were seen by the crown witness du Plessis with his electron microscope, and quite independently by other scientists.
    There are no notebooks or proof that Johansen did a test averaging 99 kms per hour and consumed 16 liters per 100m km on a similar drive.
    
    The open question is what the judges will do with this case. They have invited submissions from both sides on the question of a retrial if the convictions are quashed.
    
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    October 22, 2017 1:51pm
    - starboard
      
      Note to NSF…adjust tinfoil
      
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      October 22, 2017 1:57pm
KKKKatee

What I’d like to know is this –
Where’s Winston?
I can see Thos. Holdsworth making a fortune out of a “Where the Bloody Hell is Winston” jigsaw…..
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October 22, 2017 11:20am
- sooty
  
  Or a tui ad!
  
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  October 22, 2017 12:18pm
- niggly
  
  Wonder if he went on a 3-day/night bender starting last Thu night because as you say he hasn’t been seen or heard since!
  
  And even if he did … well he can because someone else is the PM, so can leave the important things like running a govt to others! /sarc
  
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  October 22, 2017 1:40pm
- Gabby
  
  Off to the races honkkongkkakktee.
  
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  October 22, 2017 6:31pm
Kabull

The RedBaiter post mentioned above contains a great clip about the academic distortion of history. The woman speaks much sense and wisdom …
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/ZERgJWx8/belladarbrerafull_dvd.mp4

The teaching of history has been captured and young students have no idea about the way our society has developed. I haven’t heard such an intelligent assessment for a long time.
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October 22, 2017 12:02pm
- mikenmild
  
  Do you have a link to this report she was blabbering about?
  
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  October 22, 2017 12:39pm
- Scott Hamilton
  
  What a very strange little interview that was Kabul! The interviewee claimed that Eric Hobsbawm abolished the linear presentation of history in the 1960s, and thereby somehow opened the way for the reign of identity politics. She then goes on to say that Hobsbawm wrote a three volume history of the 20th century.
  
  In fact, Hobsbawm wrote a single volume history of what he called ‘the short twentieth century’, which covered the years from 1917 to 1991, and this book, which he called The Age of Extremes, and which is probably his best-known and certainly his best-selling work, is written as – surprise, surprise – a linear narrative.
  
  I suppose that, through some fiendish feat of Marxist dialectics, Hobsbawm must have abolished linear history by writing an acclaimed and bestselling linear history!
  
  I haven’t followed good old Redbaiter over the past few years but if this is what he’s offering up to the public then I don’t think his views have become any more coherent.
  
  It is always a good idea for people to read books before they comment on them.
  
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  October 22, 2017 3:13pm
Stars And Stripes

Newsflash.
Lifeline,Youthline and all other associated helplines are now going to be amalgamated with the change in government into one simple number which will offer “total wrap around support” for all problems.
O8OOJACINDACARES
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October 22, 2017 12:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Page 2 SundayStarTimes Wayne Mapp points out similarities between the elections of both JFK and Jacinda and makes some good points about building on it internationally. Unfortunately for the age-‘afflicted’ like myself – despite that I do support positivity taken from the elections results and the harnessing of it for all NZers, Wayne also speaks about the dynamism and energy of the youthful vote. He’s right, many here have businesses to run and opportunities to look for, that’s what drives business – not name calling and barely hidden bitterness. Get out and get on with it. Cheers.
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October 22, 2017 1:10pm
- GoVege
  
  You’re OK, Nostalgia-NZ. 🙂
  
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  October 22, 2017 1:48pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    OMG!!! My argument about pseudonyms in a nutshell!!!!
    
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    October 22, 2017 2:49pm
Paul Marsden

Does no one else think that it is really concerning, that Peter’s has appeared to have hoofed it since his bizarre press conference of last week?? In a time of political uncertainty and change, this is a period when a country needs to gain confidence in its leaders and when new leaders need to nurture the confidence of the voters. Peter’s disappearance speaks volumes of the mental health of this individual, particularly in regards to his comments regarding the pending economic doom, then stepping down from the podium and not been seen or, heard of since. It is my opinion, Peter’s is exhibiting and presenting the symptoms of a deranged mind and that the GG should take counsel and consider this matter prior to executing the warrants for a new government
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October 22, 2017 1:58pm
- wiseowl
  
  It is this sort of stupid comment questioning Peters mental health and disappearance and suggesting a deranged mind that is totally unacceptable at this time.
  After hours negotiating for a start, whether you like it or not he probably needs time to catch his breath and get prepared for the future.
  So derogatory, such a cheap shot.
  
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  October 22, 2017 2:06pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Nonsense. I have been in business for over 50 years and have been through many recessions. I know the affect that idiotic statements which Peter’s recently made (and particularly considering his position), become a self-filling prophecy. Leaders by definition need to be optimistic. The guy is unhinged
    
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    October 22, 2017 2:17pm
    - Viking2
      
      Agree and the last Labour Govt. did npothing to get NZ moving and I suspect this lot will dappen down business activivty.
      
      Here is one area to watch.
      Tourisn.
      Who will be the next tourism minister?
      Key did the job for nine years and look at the result. Sure a few strains here and there but just be mindful of the investments coming out of that and the jobs for so many people.
      
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      October 22, 2017 7:02pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Ah but PM it is his escape clause. Watch his babble and as a footnote he said it was Labour. He will lay the blame at his boards feet as he seeks redemption.
      
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      October 23, 2017 1:42am
  - Viking2
    
    Actually it was Winston that was struggling for breath during his obnoxious speech.
    
    Not long for this world I suspect.
    
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    October 22, 2017 6:59pm
    - RF
      
      This might explain his no show.
      
      Anyone checked the ED at the local hospitals.
      
      Then again…. does anyone care ?
      
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      October 22, 2017 10:21pm
  - KevOB
    
    Peters has been sufficiently visibly flakey in the last 12 months that his mental health is a proper concern.
    His decision–is it rational? I doubt his capacity.
    
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    October 22, 2017 7:56pm
UpandComer

It really looks like whale blubber is on the NZFirst payroll. His blatant screwball spin and rabid stupid attacks on Bill to the detriment of his own pretty much worthless brand at this point confirm that. Why doesn’t he just change his colours on the website to red and start spruiking for Labour and the Greens? Why don’t the NZFirst voters deck themselves out in rich Green? Get your massive no obligations benefit, a free BA in cannabis growing, and smoke your durries and spliffs and eat your no GST KFC on the deck of your free shit state house. Courtesy of Winston and Slater the lefts spokespersons and favourite shill and their merry friends who want to abolish capitalism.
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October 22, 2017 2:12pm
JasonJohns

Jacinda Ardern’s government has been tested and failed. The shambles we have seen since Thursday evening shows she and her colleagues can’t do the job. She’s had a fair go and failed.

She should do the honourable thing and resign, and allow National to take what is rightfully theirs.
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October 22, 2017 2:26pm
JasonJohns

The All Blacks were demoralised by the coming of Winston ‘Pol Pot’ Peters to power. Probably many players were anxious. Was their property safe? Would their loved ones be forced to leave the cities and march into the countryside a la Cambodia 1975? Who wouldn’t fail in these circumstances?

Jacinda Ardern should do the honourable thing and resign over the ABs loss.
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October 22, 2017 2:28pm
- MCos
  
  I thought the All Whites would be more your cup of tea.
  
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  October 22, 2017 5:39pm
publicwatchdog

If the EU tightens up on its smallest member State – Malta – regarding money-laundering, what more might be revealed about the role of NZ foreign trusts?

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21730390-daphne-caruana-galizia-wrote-fearlessly-about-corruption-death-crusading-journalist-rocks

“The leaking in 2016 of the so-called Panama Papers, more than 11m documents taken from a Panamanian law firm, opened new horizons for Ms Caruana Galizia.

Her son Matthew is a member of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, which has been mining the documents for stories.

Last year Running Commentary revealed that Mr Muscat’s chief of staff and one of his ministers had Panama-registered companies and trusts in New Zealand.

Ms Caruana Galizia claimed, and they denied, that the offshore vehicles received kickbacks from Russians who had bought Maltese passports.

In April she wrote that Mr Muscat’s wife was the beneficial owner of a company that allegedly received $1m from the daughter of the president of Azerbaijan, with which Malta has commercial ties.

The government called it a lie.

…..”

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 22, 2017 5:12pm
- starboard
  
  Get a life you waste of space.
  
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  October 22, 2017 7:28pm
  - sooty
    
    Pay your rates, you nincompoop! Sleep in today did you?
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:12pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Open your eyes sooty, you gormless fool.
      Classic case of shooting of the messenger.
      But hey, there’s none as blind as they who will not see….none as stupid either.
      
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      October 22, 2017 10:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Says the gormless boy who hasn’t realised that Jacinda et al is going to look stupid when the experienced Nats turn the blowtorch on them.
        Labour, NZF and the Greens are all so inept it’s going to be cringe worthy watching.
        Just.look.at.them.
        
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        October 22, 2017 10:33pm
realityczech

I just did a trip around the lower North up around Eketahuna and through to Palmerston North. Very impressed by all the pristine clear waterways running through the farms.

I must write to the Mule Toothed Communist and congratulate her on delivering on an election promise so quickly and suggest she moves on to something else, like slashing benefit entitlements for baby farmers.
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- SPLOOGE
  
  Do you have proof?
  Did you sample the water?
  Hell. I’m surprised your Skoda could get up the a hill without spluttering (which is what English did when admitting defeat).
  
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  October 22, 2017 10:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    No, I have no proof Eketahuna exists. I doubted it myself, which is why I went there.
    
    ⛐
    
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    October 22, 2017 10:39pm
MrTips

P: Annnnndddddddddddd….welcome to the latest installment of My Coalition Rules….we’re your hosts Pit and Manure…

M: Allo!!!!!!!!!! I Like Le Cocq vewy mushhhhhhh….

P: Tonight we have a special guest from New Zealand. Welcome Jacind A

J: Its Jaw-Cinduh…….

P: Sorry…never mind. what have you got for us tonight Jaw?

J: Well, its a little something I like to call Communist. CockUp.Containing.Peters…CCCP for short.

P: Sounds bloody awful. Tell us more!

J: Thanks Pit. Well you just add a few dead rats; dim, intractable and rigid Greens – mix well and let that sit outside whilst you’re settling the rest of the dish off to one side.

M: I’m gagging already. Can’t wait for the sauce!

J: Of course Manure, let’s do this! Well, you find the oldest, most rancid used up piece of old donkey ass you can find and mix it with some Oil of Vitriol and a bauble or 4 of pre-chewed tofu. This is a bit of a dicey one and you have to keep an eye on it, especially with the other portion lurking around. If you let them mix too much it just goes off straight away.

P: (wretching offline)
M: Oh my hairy armpits……

J: Yes, she’s not for the faint hearted but I think that if you try it, it’ll grow on you.

P: Literally? Try it Manure, I dare you…
M: Sheet no, smells like Serge Blanco’s jockstwap…..

J: Come on. Seriously it’ll really be good for you!

M: Ow’ many people have you served this to?

J: 4.5 million.

P: Fuck. Are they still alive?

J: Who knows. I only eat almonds from Clarke.

P: Well there you are folks. A total bowel destroying and pancreas smashing concoction from the leader of NZ. Sounds like hardly anyone can stomach it. Bon appetit!

M: Tell me more about zis Clarke guy……….
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October 22, 2017 5:37pm
- Gabby
  
  So you’re SeeMoreCoq’s gag writer are you Mr Tits.
  
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  October 22, 2017 6:26pm
Kimbo

And the Houston Astros beat the Yankees in the 7th game of the ALCS and go to the World Series, where they will play the Dodgers. As Houston have never won the big prize since they came into MLB as an expansion team in 1962 (as the Colt 45s, then as the Astros from 1965) they will be the sentimental choice. But at least they, or more exactly their stadium from 1965-99 gave the world a term that has entered the lexicon – Astroturf.
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October 22, 2017 5:41pm
- tom hunter
  
  Certainly my choice, as admiring of the Dodgers play this year as I have been.
  
  Not as good as 108 years, but 55 years vs. numerous World Series wins means the Astros get my backing. Besides that they’re a former NL team, having been moved to the AL several years ago to allow for expansion. So it’s almost like watching two NL teams go at it!
  
  Both teams are so good that it’s going to be great watching them. “Mighty Mouse” Altuve (all 5’6″ of him) at bat vs. Verlander will be a battle not to be missed – and that’s just one.
  
  BTW Kimbo, check out the home plate throw-out by the Astros of a Yankees runner in the 5th. The fielder had a choice of an easy out at 1st, but chose to chop the Yankee down and prevent the run, at a time when Houston was only leading by one. He threw the ball straight into the catcher’s mitt right where it was needed to block the runners leg from hitting home plate. Perfect execution.
  
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  October 22, 2017 5:49pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Pinpoint
    
    https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/10/21/16514926/astros-yankees-2017-score-live-results-updates-alcs-game-7
    
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    October 22, 2017 7:25pm
    - tom hunter
      
      So…. may as well place my bets.
      
      I think the Astros will win it. The one weakness they have is their bullpen. Not as bad as others (like the Cubs), but also not great.
      
      Meantime about the only weakness I see in the Dodgers is that their starting pitchers aren’t that great: no, not even future Hall of Famer Kershaw. In fact his post-season stats suck – with an ERA that’s 2 runs higher than regular season. Ugly. Maybe this WS can be his redemption. I even think the Cubs starters shaded them slightly in the NLCS, but that could be just an impression since I’ve not looked at the stats, which can be skewed anyhow if the other side’s bats are good – which the Cubs weren’t.
      
      Anyhoo… What that means to me for the Astros is a somewhat similar situation to that faced by the Cubs against the Indians last year. If you don’t score runs earlier their bullpen will simply strangle you to death from inning 6 on (if they need to go that early). However, if you put runs on the board early then the Dodgers bullpen gets taken out of the equation and they have to catch up. And since the Dodgers starting pitchers are just “okay” and the Astros bats are running hot, that should be how it goes. Unless they fall asleep for a couple of games, which is always possible.
      
      Then it just comes down to Astros bullpen vs Dodger batters and that could be a bit of a crapshoot, given the Astro’s weaknesses and how well Taylor and Turner have been going.
      
      The final X factor is that strange period in August/September where the Dodgers collapsed for not one, but two strings of 10 game losses. Wierd. Could it happen again?
      
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      October 22, 2017 8:51pm
cha

I wonder what O’Reilly did to warrant having to shell out $32 million to settle……?

nonconsensual sexual relationship

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bill-oreilly-paid-32-million-for-sexual-harassment-settlement-in-january-one-month-before-he-resigned/article/2638263
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October 22, 2017 6:05pm
- realityczech
  
  Oh those Christian Conservatives and their antics. 🙂
  
  “gay pornography”
  
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  October 22, 2017 6:11pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”the allegations included sexual harassment, a nonconsentual sexual relationship, and sexually explicit material, including gay pornography”…..
    
    Just another average day in the life of an authoritarian, conservative nut. Surely one of them could break the tedium by indulging in a bit of scat or zoophilia occasionally. 🙂
    
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    October 22, 2017 6:23pm
    - realityczech
      
      We really don’t know what he indulged in, but going on the size of the payout I would say the gay-porn was the least of it.
      
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      October 22, 2017 7:26pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Quite possibly he did nothing. When a company is earning 2 Billion a year, sometimes it’s easier to pay. I see one of his accusers is being prosecuted for false allegations on something else.
  Read this…
  ‘Statement by Mark Fabiani on Behalf of Bill O’Reilly Relating to the New York Times Smear Piece
  October 21, 2017
  Once again, The New York Times has maliciously smeared Bill O’Reilly, this time even failing to print a sworn affidavit from his former lawyer, Lis Wiehl, repudiating all allegations against Bill O’Reilly. The Times ignored that evidence, sworn under oath, and chose to rely on unsubstantiated allegations, anonymous sources and incomplete leaked or stolen documents.
  Here are the facts: after the Chairman of Fox News Roger Ailes was fired in July 2016, dozens of women accused scores of male employees of Fox News of harassment – including the current co-president of Fox News Jack Abernathy.
  21st Century Fox settled almost all these cases, paying out close to $100 million dollars. Six months after Mr. Ailes left the company, Fox News Corporation signed Bill O’Reilly to a record breaking new contract after the company had analyzed and considered all allegations against him.
  In its first article about Mr. O’Reilly on April 1st, The New York Times printed inaccurate settlement figures while fully understanding that O’Reilly and his counsel are legally bound by confidentiality and cannot set the record straight.
  In its latest diatribe against Bill O’Reilly, the Times printed leaked information provided by anonymous sources that is out of context, false, defamatory, and obviously designed to embarrass Bill O’Reilly and to keep him from competing in the marketplace.
  Finally, in the more than 20 years Bill O’Reilly worked at Fox News, not one complaint was filed against him with the Human Resources Department or Legal Department by a coworker, even on the anonymous hotline. The New York Times has copies of two letters written by 21st Century Fox lawyers attesting to that fact.’
  
  The Times failed to print them, too
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:07pm
Wayne1749

So the TPP is generally OK now?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98132879/jacinda-ardern-changes-to-trade-deals-possible–walking-away-from-tpp-not-necessary
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October 22, 2017 6:23pm
- realityczech
  
  The biggest barrier to TPP is not the screeching communists it is Trump.
  
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  October 22, 2017 9:12pm
Manolo

The American Delahunty:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/maxine-waters-vows-will-go-take-trump/
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October 22, 2017 7:19pm
Viking2

Bill to make medicinal cannabis access easier for terminally-ill Australians passes Senate.

MEDICAL cannabis could soon be easier to get for terminally-ill Australians after passing a first hurdle in Parliament today.

A bid by the Australian Greens to give terminally-ill patients quicker, easier access to doctor-prescribed medicinal cannabis, by allowing access under the Therapeutic Goods Administration category A list, passed the upper house today.

It will now go before the lower house, where the government controls the numbers.

During debate today, Liberal Democrats senator Senator Leyonhjelm said the Turnbull Government had “blood on its hands” for not making access easier.

“They are responsible for terrible unnecessary suffering and very likely a number of premature deaths,” he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/health/bill-to-make-medicinal-cannabis-access-easier-for-terminallyill-australians-passes-senate/news-story/70a0cb2638a683565def681e714e9dcd
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October 22, 2017 7:27pm
- nasska
  
  Dead right V2. There are few bright spots on the horizon after last week’s political shenanigans but at least sick people shouldn’t have to suffer unnecessarily.
  
  I confess that I voted blue but it was for sane financial management rather than their 19th Century attitudes to modern social expectations. National & their conservative, God botherering mates should hang their heads in shame.
  
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  October 22, 2017 7:42pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    National & their conservative, God botherering mates
    
    I thought you said they had all gone to New Zealand First? You sound a bit paranoid.
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:01pm
    - nasska
      
      Where did I suggest that they’d “all” gone? In 2011 & 2014 the rabid, anti everything conservatives flocked to Colin Craig’s ego party but they never went past 3 or 4% of voting Kiwis.
      
      There were still plenty of influential dyed in the wool anti-progressives dominating National.
      
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      October 22, 2017 8:27pm
cha

AB pears over the gunwale…..oh shit….

http://navaltoday.com/2017/10/16/tanker-carrying-1000-tonnes-of-fuel-lifts-torpedo-on-anchor/
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October 22, 2017 8:05pm
JasonJohns

disgraceful to see ardern antagonising our good australian allies by petulantly demanding nzers over there get access to benefits etc
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11935776
ardern should be apologising fulsomely for her predecessor clark’s disastrous decision not to join australia and america in the liberation of iraq…
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October 22, 2017 8:13pm
- realityczech
  
  NZ has been part of all the warmongering by America on behalf of zionists.
  
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  October 22, 2017 8:17pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    realityczech you keep bursting out and speaking despite my best intentions!
    
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    October 22, 2017 8:24pm
realityczech

Under Trump the economy is booming and unemployment plummeting. Another fail by the Trump hating morons.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14300/trump-boom-why-are-jobs-bumping-under-trump-ben-shapiro#
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October 22, 2017 8:13pm
Manolo

Yeah right:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-chairman-trump-most-dangerous-president-ever-203633322–election.html
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October 23, 2017 6:56am
Manolo

While in NZ, thanks to comrade Ardern, tax cuts are gone!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/10/22/president-trump-tax-reform-lets-make-morning-america-again-column/782233001/
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