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Viking2

Bugger. Its got cold and going to continue to rain again.

What happened to this global warming thingy?

All bullshit like the Labour Party me thinks.
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October 1, 2017 8:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Tuesday will be better. Still, it has been a winter of wet weekends…
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:16am
  - Viking2
    
    Back to cold and wet next weekend.
    
    http://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/weather-forecasts/Tauranga
    
    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-195.25,-45.56,540
    
    Might be an omen for the RESULTS perhaps.
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:21am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      This is so English to discuss the weather! The next topic will be what roads we used to get here as the the A16 is blocked at Tuakau before moving on when sitting down to house prices and school fees!
      
      There are days that I almost miss she who must not be mentioned or z to make some stupid comment to get the ball rolling!
      
      Mike is lurking somewhere, he will say something that may be construed to be against the grain, because that is what he does, but he can always be relied on to make things move rain or no rain!
      
      My garden is a small bog and I want early tomatoes in. ?
      
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      October 1, 2017 8:29am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        For your small bog, I suggest cranberries.
        
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        October 1, 2017 8:52am
      - GoVege
        
        You still have a garden?
        You lucky man!
        
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        October 1, 2017 1:50pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not for election day ironically enough.
    
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    October 1, 2017 11:03am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The man-made global warming Chicken Little fraudsters carried out such ‘settled’ science in all regards – they forgot that there is this thing in our solar system called “THE SUN” which inconveniently truthfully has things called “SUNSPOTS” which have activity cycles which have massive impacts on the climate.
  
  Seriously, inconveniently it appears we’re heading towards a sunspot minima phase not unlike that which can be clearly seen (even in the tampered) temperature records to correlate to temperature minimums. Still we have to be gentle with the climate cultists, it’s an entirely understandable oversight – it’s not like everyone on the planet can see the sun in the sky, all day, every day. It’s easily overlooked.
  
  It’s such a relief the climate fraudsters showed the foresight to change the name of their cult from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change” so that they can now attribute the upcoming cooling of the world to their cult too.
  
  Apparently, the poor showing by the Green party at the election has also been attributed to Trump’s withdrawal from the Paris Climate Alarmism Accord.
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:28am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Let’s see if the predicted drop in solar activity has an effect on global temperatures.
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:50am
    - MarkF
      
      Considering a large amount of anecdotal evidence during the last total solar eclipse in the US that a noticable temperture drop of about 5°C occured in the shadow of the sun. That idea has some veracity.
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:04am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If scientists do learn that carbon dioxide is not responsible for “climate change,” will we get our money back?
    
    I mean, in the text of all these international climate change accords, there must surely be a small clause to the effect that “if it is learned that the CO2 is not responsible, all monies paid shall be refunded”. This is standard to most contracts, I would have thought.
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:54am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Genuine scientists have already proved that man-made CO2 is not responsible for any notable global warming.
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:01am
    - backster
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS0qLhqaZDM
      
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      October 1, 2017 12:28pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Hello ranty mcrant face .
    Solar activity and temperature.
    https://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/TvsTSI.png
    Solar activity has declined in the last fitly years yet temperature is rising.
    
    It’s such a relief the climate fraudsters showed the foresight to change the name of their cult from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change
    
    IPCC
    International Panel on Climate Change est 1988.
    
    Posting a rant so gibberingly stupid is an illustration of your intellect.
    Still what do you expect from someone so challenged they vote for a left wing party to force national right?
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:58am
    - MarkF
      
      My Grumpy Welshman. Why can you not just argue the point intelligently and not have start every reply by insulting commentators and using puerile name calling? You may, or may not, have valid points but your method of delivery means that I and I assume others consider it just ranting. Your loss!
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:10am
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        yessss
        Reply to a stupid rant with decorum and get ignored.
        I don’t get angry my poor little tone trolling friend.
        I get hours of amusement from insulting halfwitted nutters.
        I long ago learn that the antiscience cultist on here will never change their views.
        : It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of anything he was never reasoned into.
        
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        October 1, 2017 9:35am
      - calendar girl
        
        It’s ironical to read Griff using the term “antiscience cultist” to describe those who disagree with his climate beliefs.
        
        None of us is able to predict, with confidence let alone certainty, the ultimate outcome of the great 21st Century “climate change / global warming” debate. And nobody should be dismissed as being “antiscience” for retaining an open mind about conflicting scientific theory, observations or evidence.
        
        Any ‘ultimate outcome’ that is currently being debated is unlikely to become clear, unequivocally, within the lifetimes of most of us. In the meantime, Griff’s total faith, his insults and his name-calling won’t have any effect on conclusions that, over time, will be reached and verified by science alone.
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:37am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yess calendar girl
        When your views are at odds with every major scientific body on the planet dont ya think being called an antiscience nutter is justified?
        
        for retaining an open mind about conflicting scientific theory, observations or evidence. >
        
        You do not know what a scientific theory is.
        
        There is no debate within science.
        Global warming is real and happening.
        
        A joint statement issued by the Australian Academy of Sciences, Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts, Brazilian Academy of Sciences, Royal Society of Canada, Caribbean Academy of Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences, French Academy of Sciences, German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina, Indian National Science Academy, Indonesian Academy of Sciences, Royal Irish Academy, Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy), Academy of Sciences Malaysia, Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Turkish Academy of Sciences, and Royal Society (UK).
        
        The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognize the IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus. Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified.
        
        http://science.sciencemag.org/content/292/5520/1261
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:57am
      - calendar girl
        
        No need to get over-exited, Griff, or to set out your well-documented claims yet again. I’m merely pointing out your ironical “antiscience” claim that applies, it seems, to anyone that you don’t agree with on the subject.
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:25am
    - PhilBest
      
      CO2 was rising all the 20th century, yet there was a global cooling scare in the 1970’s. I remember it, so none of your BS about this.
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:28am
    - PhilBest
      
      You need to follow sites that still discuss proper science, not lefty ones or ones embedded in the swamp.
      
      Climate Depot is good.
      
      http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/12/20/study-solar-activity-oceans-cycles-water-vapor-explain-98-of-climate-change-since-1900-not-co2/
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:31am
      - mikenmild
        
        Climate Depot.
        Snigger.
        
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        October 1, 2017 9:44am
      - realityczech
        
        Attacking the source after losing on the science [snigger]
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:10am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        mikenmild
        milkmaid
        
        Snigger
        I can get my comment total up the same way
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:04am
    - MarkF
      
      @ Gruffydd
      Once again the use of vertically reduced scale graphs to try and show how bad/good something is is at best deceiptful.
      
      Your quote “Solar activity has declined in the last fitly years ”
      
      Yet if you look at;
      http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html
      You will see in the first line “The solar output is very nearly constant, as shown in the plot below. The range of variation is about 0.2%, so reproducible that it is often referred to as the “solar constant”. ”
      Examine their graph of solar output since 1975 and there is no indication of rise or fall.
      
      Herein lies the problem if the “Science is Settled” those two graphs should be the same. Forgetting trends altogether your graph show irradience at 1360-1361W m-2 and mine shows 1366W m-2 they should both be the same surely this measuring a known physical constant.
      
      If my graph is right, not saying it is, then your graph is not which brings into question the rest of the readings.
      
      In those two graphs alone is the nub of the climate change debate, acceptors and sceptics. Nothing, so it seems, is settled.
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:42am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Science is settled …..
        If you start with such a idiotic quote I can safely concluded the rest is equally devoid of value.
        Your link has nothing different from what I just posted .
        There is no correlation between sunspot activity and temperature since 1950 .
        Lower graph
        http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/imgheat/solactm.gif
        Fuck knows what your point is bedsides waffling dumb talking points and tone trolling
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:05am
    - realityczech
      
      You are not allowed to say that !
      
      The many attempts to stifle free speech on climate change
      
      The editor of The Times newspaper received a private letter last week from Lord Krebs and 12 other members of the House of Lords expressing unhappiness with two articles by its environment correspondent. Conceding that The Times’s reporting of the Paris climate conference had been balanced and comprehensive, it denounced the two articles about studies by mainstream academics in the scientific literature, which provided less than alarming assessments of climate change.
      
      Strangely, the letter was simultaneously leaked to The Guardian. The episode gives a rare glimpse into the world of “climate change communications”, a branch of heavily funded spin-doctoring that is keen to shut down debate about the science of climate change.
      http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/matt-ridley-many-attempts-to-stifle.html
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:46am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      There, there Griff. Pop a ritalin and calm down now will you, there’s a dear.
      
      The grown-ups are talking.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:56am
  - realityczech
    
    Oh don’t be silly. Climate “scientists” tell us the sun has nothing at all to do with climate and has no warming effect at all.
    
    Its cow farts. But only cows raised by white people in capitalist countries.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:41am
  - PhilBest
    
    I certainly hope that the whole phenomenon of the lying MSM losing its grip over what the sheeple get to know, results in a deserved loss of support for Green politicians and activist organisations. Trump has shown what is possible; “centre right” political parties don’t need to be Vichy, grovelling to every edict from the MSM talking heads.
    
    I wish the enlightened consensus on KB about the CAGW fraud, was matched by a consensus on how spineless Saint John Key and his colleagues, especially Wayne Mapp, have been; and a consensus on Don Brash’s iconic status as the last National leader with principles and courage.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:46am
mikenmild

Longknives and big bruv will be happy this morning: the All Blacks have secured another rugby championship with two games still to play.
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October 1, 2017 8:26am
- big bruv
  
  Is there a thing called the Rugby Championship? I did not know that.
  It’s not a big deal though is it, I mean it’s no where near as big as the six nations.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:45am
  - calendar girl
    
    Your view is not backed up by the official world ratings: https://www.worldrugby.org/rankings/mru?lang=en .
    
    The biggest gap in the points rankings is between the All Blacks (#1) and its nearest challenger, England (#2). Southern Hemisphere teams make up 3 of the top 5, and former Six Nations darlings, Wales and France respectively, are a dismal 8th and 9th in the official rankings.
    
    Not that such facts will change your view of our national team, the All Blacks, or the tournament – The Rugby Championship – in which they play annually!
    
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    October 1, 2017 11:13am
    - big bruv
      
      My view is backed up by credibility and prestige. The six nations is a competition that the rugby world (as small as it is) takes very seriously, the rugby championship is something that has no history, prestige or respect.
      Nobody cares who wins the rugby championship, not even the huge crowd watching the NZ team today, in a nation of 42.1 million people they have to squeeze the Argie national team into a stadium that only holds 30,000 people.
      Face it guys, the NZ team are not world famous crowd pullers.
      
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      October 1, 2017 6:26pm
- Longknives
  
  Haven’t seen too many people celebrating in the Streets Mikenmild, and barely see a whisper in the Media- Are you sure this ‘Rugby Championship’ is such a big deal?
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:38am
  - mikenmild
    
    See calendar girl above. It’s a tournament between the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 10th ranked teams. The Six Nations has 6 of the top 15 teams. Similarly difficult tournaments.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:15pm
flipper

An excellent post on Kiwiblog this AM by Raeburn…. sourced from The Spinoff.

Quite agree with all stated, but don’t expect the MSM jerks to take note.

What Raeburn notes is almost certainly a carbon copy of the Trump win over the elite media darling Clinton.

But will the Raeburn analysis hold true for “specials”? I hope so, but have no analytical basis for that hope (belief).
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October 1, 2017 8:27am
oldpark

Latest word do the rounds for many of NZs voter.The word is “Cruelled”.Thats what the feeling is around NZ after the results of the General Election 0n 23 09 2017. Seven more days to go for final counting of the special votes.
Dosn’t mean to say there will be a new Government at that time.
With Mr Peters running the show,in 1996 it took 70 days,for a decision. Seems at the moment people are feeling “cruelled”,and are fearful of an action replay,to match 1996.Hope not.
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October 1, 2017 8:28am
- Viking2
  
  The longer he takes the better. business will keep on keeping on instead of getting the shits as have all those CEO’s in the boardroom instead of firing up their companies to greater things.
  
  That’s why Sperling earns his money. He has ratcheted up Fonterra from a staid “dutch run” conservative hog to a company going places.
  Lesson for a few other CEO’s who need rockets up their bums or sacking.
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Cruelled”
  It is an Australianism.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:35am
  - oldpark
    
    Google didn’t say that.Thanks Maggy .Have always spoken well about you .Go well .Stay safe.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:38am
  - oldpark
    
    @ Maggy Wassilieff.
    What was your take when well known ladies man, Justin Lester chose his friend Jill Day as deputy Mayoress. Day was a teacher who taught at a small school in Linden teaching children under intermediate age. Lester is off to China next week leaving his friend Jill Day running the city of 250,000 people. Her claim to fame under 12 months in council.
    Maybe it has become apparent that to run a city its not what you know,its who you know. Lets not have any elected experienced people in council, any council.
    Just go out pick or phone a friend for council,especially a female ,and they get annointed. Where have i seen that recently. If the face suits wear it.Being from the Lie-bour/Green cabal,people like Lester the mayor,dosn’t get any media scrutiny. Even if his decisions are unilateral.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:05am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @oldpark
      
      I’ve been gone from Wellington for over 3 years now and have only been back fleetingly for 2 cold, wet, windy visits. I’m hardly paying attention to anything happening there.
      
      My experience of dealing with Wellington City Councillors is that things were never as they seemed… everyone had hidden agendas.
      Sometimes the “baddies” did good things and quite often the “goodies” made almighty balls-ups.
      
      It looks like business as usual as far as I can see.
      
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      October 1, 2017 10:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  cruelled
  
  Transferred use from “cruel the pitch”
  
  First used Australia 1915
  https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=abYBCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT5021&lpg=PT5021&dq=cruelled+the+pitch&source=bl&ots=sByviC5oRY&sig=bpy9D_A76tXwctkVCyCbqMZNYWQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6067S8s3WAhWLNpQKHe9rAg0Q6AEIOTAE#v=onepage&q=cruelled%20the%20pitch&f=false
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:55am
Chuck Bird

On Q + A this morning they are discussing MMP. The majority voted for hit twice. I did the first time but not the second.

I doubt if we will have a third vote anytime soon. It would be interesting to see a public poll a few months into the new government.
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October 1, 2017 8:39am
- JibberJabber
  
  The only real problem with MMP is the low threshold, it needs to be raised to ensure only serious Parties need apply rather than the assorted Fruitloop, ego-driven Vanity and Single Issue Nutter Parties that we have at present.
  10%, at the very least, should be the bar.
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:57am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I didn’t vote for MMP in 1993, nor did I vote for it more recently. As can be seen so vividly now, the tail is wagging the dog, and when the tail is as venal and xenophobic as Winston Peters, it is not going to end well.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:09am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    KS, Did you watch Q + A? Did you listen to Jim Bolger? I think he has had a lot more personal dealings with Winston than you. You seem like a very bitter and hateful person.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:48am
    - flipper
      
      Jim Bolger ???????
      Chairman of King Country Fed Farmers was the real level of his ability.
      It was all down hill after Bill Birch took his hand off the Bolger tiller.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:16am
    - big bruv
      
      I watched it Chuck. The person who came across as bitter and twisted was that idiot Bolger.
      He really needs to get over being rolled by Shipley.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:21am
- niggly
  
  It was interesting to see support for MMP trending down, IIRC from 70% in the 1990’s to about 58% in 2011. I hazard a guess if there was to be another vote then that support would now be even lower. Especially nowadays as voters voted en-mass to shore up either National or Labour during this election (perhaps Kiwi’s are sick and tired of MMP/ one man band type shenanigans)?
  
  It was also interesting to see on Q+A the archival footage of Jim Bolger (back in 1992 I think) saying words to the effect that the big flaw of MMP was having a minor party determine the outcome, but I think this time more Kiwi’s have now realised this and I suggest if Kiwi’s had better understood this back in the 80’s/90’s when MMP was being promoted, that a better, alternative, Proportional Representation system may in place now instead of MMP.
  
  Personally I’m quite open to looking at alternative PR systems.
  
  I haven’t quite made my mind up apart from knowing I’m weary of STV since it has had exposure at local body politics level – too complex and confusing for everyday Kiwi’s (who don’t pay much attention to politics and its complex machinations), plus it’s better suited to activist’s manipulating the vote in that they can vote for their preferred candidates and tactically vote out their opponents.
  
  I’m interested in knowing more about SM (Supplementary Member), as it is similar to MMP but only has 30 List MP’s instead of the present 60.
  
  Cue outrage from the minor Parties, as they would then wield less power … to which I say, how sad, never mind! 🙂
  
  Additional bonus, less List MP apparatchiks from ALL parties including the two majors!
  
  http://www.elections.org.nz/events/past-events-0/2011-referendum-voting-system/about-referendum-choices/sm-supplementary-member
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:15am
KevOB

A lovely day in Christchurch East. calm, a little overcast but the orchard is in spring clothes. The Kentish Fill Basket* is arrayed in bloom trying to out shine the Granny Smith with its very large blossoms.

When my wife got a call to ministry back in her home town she said she wanted an orchard–she loves trees. I expected we would have to go rural but we found a quarter acre suburban back lot and it’s now seriously planted out. The children have all thrived too and being set up for the future.

*A very large apple.
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October 1, 2017 8:44am
- lifesgood
  
  Thanks for this uplifting post. There is more than enough gloom in the world it is good to hear of happy people in a lovely garden.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:25am
- GazzaW
  
  Onyer Kev. I enjoy your posts.
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:53pm
  - KevOB
    
    Thanks.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:59pm
Viking2

Remove the Chinese funding from the main parties and then lets see how we go.
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October 1, 2017 8:44am
JibberJabber

Even HdPA no longer appears to be supping the Koolaid, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928211
Her articles lately have been fairly rational.
Unfortunately, there is not a politician on the planet that would take her advice and put off getting into power for 3 years.
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October 1, 2017 8:51am
- PhilBest
  
  I remember someone (but I forget who) tried to tell Jim Bolger the same thing in 1996. Don’t go with Winston, he and the crew he has “dragged into Parliament on his coat-tails” will poison you electorally. I wish I could find the exact quote again.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:51am
- alwyn
  
  Hell, even Nandor of the dreadlocks says the Greens are going to have to learn to deal with National.
  He’s quite right that it is impossible this time round but the will have to do it in the future.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928324
  Being The Sunday Herald they have of course given it the headline of “National-Greens deal ‘political suicide'” as if that meant it was so for all time.
  What he does say is that
  “But he said the Greens “must be prepared to seriously consider the idea” of a coalition with National at some stage.”
  He then finishes with
  “What they cannot mean, though, is relegating ourselves to the periphery of power just because we are committed to giving Labour a free run.”
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:44am
Southern Raider

Was talking to some immigrants last night trying to explain how MMP works.

Some of their logical questions
– why didn’t Maori vote for their own party as that doesn’t make sense?
– how could a non Maori Party win sets specifically set aside for Maori?
– how can a party who only wins 7% hold the balance of power?
– why does it take a month to count special votes when on the night they counted ten times that amount in three hours?

All good questions which I actually struggled to come up with any logical answer for
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October 1, 2017 8:57am
- Gabby
  
  You told them that in this country we can vote for whoever we like, not just who the government says?
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:25am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Lol. Voting itself confuses them.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Smart, these immigrants. Such people will not easily be hoodwinked.
  
  This bodes well for the future of New Zealand.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:44am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Based on the above comments the radica left doesn’t seem to be very happy having informed and educated voters coming into the country
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Maori have always voted on socio-economic lines, the same way as their Pakeha or Pasifika neighbours. National has always been mad to think they can be bought with the creation of an Iwi mafia where a new class of upper-class twits get to live high on the hog. Ordinary Maoris want to see results at their own level.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:03am
  - Southern Raider
    
    What results have Maori ever got from Labour? Poor, dumb and brown is just how the left want them to stay
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:10am
    - niggly
      
      Yep, and assuming the Maori seats remain, perhaps National ought to rethink their stance of not standing candidates in them (and actually stand in them).
      
      I think you might not be supportive, but let me explain my rationale:
      
      1. Why should useless patronising Labour have a monopoly on the Maori seats when Labour doesn’t deliver for Maori?
      
      2. Whereas National have been delivering for Maori, so why not challenge Labour’s narrative “in their face”, directly in these seats and get the message out to Maori, that a vote for Labour is effectively a wasted vote.
      
      3. It would also allow National to pick up more List votes (the very thing that allows Parties to dominate MMP elections).
      
      As they say, just saying! 🙂
      
      Whether one likes it or not, we now live in an era where things “Maori” now have a greater prominence in NZ society (and media etc). So why not take advantage of that? After all it’s not like society will somehow magically revert back to the past!
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:27am
- Longknives
  
  Did they ask how two openly Communist Parties (Labour and Greens) managed to get about 40% of the vote? Despite Communism having failed and caused Death and Destruction everywhere people are stupid enough to try it?
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:42am
Victor Omega

Repeat after me: “Taxes are what we pay for civilised society”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928240

What if you protest this kind of spending and choose not to pay rates? Unfortunately for you, councils in NZ are allowed to sell your house and land from underneath you to recover rates owing. They can send the police to remove you by force and throw you, your family and your dog out on the street. Because, you know, 400K severance packages are really really important and create civilised societies.

Does it feel a bit like theft?

“But…. muh roads!”
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October 1, 2017 8:58am
- VicParking
  
  Not if your name is Penny Bright
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:05am
  - Biscuit
    
    Speaking of the bewildered one, did she stand in any of the seats at the General Election last week?
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:30am
    - mikenmild
      
      You didn’t catch her outstanding result in the Tamaki electorate?
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:46am
      - Biscuit
        
        Oh, ty, Mikenmild.
        
        I Googled.
        
        O’CONNOR, Simon 20532
        McDONALD, Sam 6794
        LECKINGER, Richard 2005
        MILNE, Mike 433
        INFORMAL: 312
        PEPA, Mele 293
        BRIGHT, Penny 201
        
        Next time, eh, Penny?
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:04am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It must be an absolute bugger when Informal gets 50% more votes than you do. On the other hand, it’s also a worry that there were 201 deluded souls in the Tamaki electorate, but that’s democracy for you. It may not be perfect, but it beats most of the alternatives.
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:12am
      - Nookin
        
        KS, it was no doubt highly influential that her name, beginning with the letter “B”, might have been at the top of the list
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:13pm
    - sooty
      
      Going by the amount of votes she got, she was not standing, she was lying down!
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:26pm
  - Victor Omega
    
    They will have a lein against her title for the amount owing, I assure you. It will be the first instrument too, so it must be paid before any other debtor. (Bank, mortgagee, loans etc..)
    
    Her protest ends the day her house is sold. Whether that be by council foreclosure or by private sale makes no difference, council gets paid at settlement. The fact they haven’t exercised this doesn’t mean they can’t, or won’t.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:20am
    - sooty
      
      Yes. You are right. Because the council have gone all quiet. They know their money is safe now. They get payed when she dies or sells, plus interest at how much and costs. Penny has a mill stone around her neck now. Mind you as far as I know she has no kids, so does not have the worry of passing it on. It will be sold for her rest home care.
      
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      October 1, 2017 10:44am
- Gabby
  
  Steve said it’s okay, he’s a good mate.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  That $400K would have mowed a lot of berms
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:11am
Captain Mainwaring

So the teachers’ union are having a conference and have blurted into the MSM that they want a Liarbore-led Government.
What a surprise!
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October 1, 2017 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  I’m sure the MSM just read their minds like they did with everybody else during the election.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:07am
Fletch

Youtube continues to stifle free speech. A little while back that demonetized videos that didn’t come up to their standards – that they considered offensive or something (not surprisingly, most were conservative), so video makers linked to Patreon to ask for money (similar to our Give A Little, but you patronize them with funds so they can keep making their material). Now youtube has said that they won’t allow any videos linking to Patreon that have been demonetized or that aren’t in youtube’s “partner program”.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/09/29/report-youtube-blocking-creators-from-linking-to-patreon-unless-channel-monetized/

It’s just another way of stifling speech, especially since liberals own all the platforms.
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October 1, 2017 9:16am
- Gabby
  
  Maybe brightfart should set up its own platform.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:29am
  - Fletch
    
    Good idea, although I’m thinking you’d need a tonne of server space and streaming bandwidth to allow people upload that many videos. Would be quite expensive. I don’t think even brietbart would be able to do it. Some people are suggesting an anti-trust suit should be brought against google/youtube.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:36am
    - mikenmild
      
      What, for being too successful?
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:47am
      - Fletch
        
        No, for restricting content that they basically don’t agree with. And being that they control the only real video platform they are a monopoly. Youtube is almost a public utility or should almost be made one.
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:51am
    - Gabby
      
      Damn those rich capitalistic commies. They have moneymaking skills beyond the power of brightfart to comprehend.
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I don’t think that George Orwell considered that large corporations could cross over to the authoritarian-totalitarian side.
  
  One of the enemies of free speech is turning out to be the global corporation… who would have thought. Or is it something simply to do with hegemony and the lack of competition in the marketplace?
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:48am
- cha
  
  It’s just another way of stifling speech, especially since liberals own all the platforms.
  
  Yeah, because who wouldn’t want Breitbart commenter’s comments all over their site.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:57am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I assume you think all the allowed videos telling kids transgenderism is normal (despite a 50% suicide rate) and showing you how to stretch a neo-vagina out and avoid infection are just fine and dandy.
    Figures.
    
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    October 1, 2017 11:13am
    - cha
      
      You do know there’s oodles of hetro pron out there, don’t you?.
      
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      October 1, 2017 1:11pm
Manolo

A serious problem for Spain:
https://apnews.com/a65b4f3c0888481da9ea40c96cfb96d0/Spain,-Catalonia-head-for-showdown-over-independence-vote
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October 1, 2017 9:17am
- realityczech
  
  A serious problem for Spain. Did you know goy women are in a perpetual state of filth ?
  
  —————————————————
  
  Groups of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men keep delaying flights by refusing to sit next to women
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/groups-of-ultra-orthodox-jewish-men-keep-delaying-flights-by-refusing-to-sit-next-to-women-9949866.html
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:24am
  - Jack5
    
    Kea once again diverts discussion so he/she can make an attack on Jews.
    
    What drives your anti-Semitism, Kea? Are the rumours true that you are of Syrian descent? If so, could that be related to your views on the Jews and Israel?
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:39am
    - realityczech
      
      What drives your hatred of Muslims ? I can answer that. The Jews.
      
      Why did you not make that allegation towards Manolo when he shared a news article about Muslims ?
      
      Why is a news article about Jewish extremists wrong ?
      
      I have nothing against Jews, but so what if I did ? Compared with your fanatical Jew inspired hatred of Muslims.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:51am
RF

I know a couple who are teachers and they have a rabid dislike… no hatred.. of the National education system plus anything National stands for.
Apparently Ardern has all the answers and they cannot wait for her to right the wrongs of our country.

Their attitude towards me has gone south after I called them communists.

What scares me is that they will have some influence on what their students – pre high school – pick up in their classes.

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October 1, 2017 9:17am
- Gabby
  
  Have you reported them yet rf rf? If your suspicions are genuine you don’t want to be accused of failing to report unpatriotic communistic behaviour. The Blue Dragons take a dim view of that kind of thing.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:32am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  RF, by calling them communists you are stooping to their level. Name calling is what The Left do to shut down rational informed comment. You should not copy that sort of odious behaviour.
  Instead point out to them that rational and logical thought cannot be found amongst The Left, because if they were rational and logical they would not vote for a left leaning party.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    No, by calling them communists, he made them aware of his level.
    Bonus: they will be laughing at him as they know that the only outright communist in Parliament is a National MP!
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:48am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Oh really, not the former Leader of The International Union of Socialist Youth?
      Is she not a Communist any longer, Comrade?
      
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      October 1, 2017 9:56am
      - mikenmild
        
        Would you like an explanation of the difference between socialism (very popular in New Zealand and supported by both major parties) and communism (now restricted to places like China, North Korea and Cuba)?
        
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        October 1, 2017 9:58am
      - JibberJabber
        
        LoL, so she`s not a TRUE communist then? COMRADE.
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:02am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Would you like an explanation of the difference between socialism (very popular in New Zealand and supported by both major parties) and communism (now restricted to places like China, North Korea and Cuba)?
        
        Yes, I would. Go ahead milkmaid, tell us!
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:17am
      - krazykiwi
        
        China is communist? I have a bridge for you milky.
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:11pm
    - Longknives
      
      Strange- Adern was openly Communist less than ten years ago when President of the Junior Socialists (Or whatever they are called)
      Are you saying her Political views have changed?
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:44am
      - VicParking
        
        Quiet Longknives if the MSM found out that the tooth fairy was a closet communist they would do a front page article on this fact. As well as Expose’s on her time as President of the International Union of Socialist Youth and Tony Blair’s goffer. As for living in sin, what has the world of NZ politics come to.
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:35pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I don’t accept that Ms Ardern was ever Tony Blair’s ‘gofer’. She’s on record as saying that she has never met Blair in person, so dropping his name in this context seems to have been an attempt to dress up her credentials.
        
        It’s not disputed that in her twenties she did work for a stint in the UK Cabinet Office, no doubt with the help of a friendly introduction from Helen Clark. But unless we have a clearer picture of her actual role (and its seniority) linking her early working life to something akin to Tony Blair’s personal assistant is less than realistic.
        
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        October 1, 2017 2:39pm
  - Gabby
    
    That’s the sort of circular reasoning that cannot fail to convince people who don’t need convincing two highnuts.
    
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    October 1, 2017 9:50am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You can’t accurately call them communists/socialists unless they believe that the State should own the means of production.
  
  (That’s the litmus test I apply.)
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    Well they do believe that.
    
    From the teachers’ perspective, the schools are the means of production.
    
    The outputs are little commie minds.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Odaku-sen (9.51):
    
    The Chinese Government owns the companies that dominate the country’s core industry – steel making. It has been consolidating these.
    
    State owned companies control other heavy industry such as shipbuilding and train manufacturing.
    
    Then, of course, land is all State owned.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:45am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Yes. Mainland China is communist.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:19am
- lifesgood
  
  That is exactly why the profession has lost most of it’s respect from the public. I heard someone pontificating on the radio yesterday about why teaching is not respected. he gave all the union type answers i.e. low pay, long hours (rubbish, they need to try the real world) and blah, blah, blah. He never mentioned the fact that the public detests their unionistic, protectionist attitudes.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:30am
- Longknives
  
  RF- I have mentioned my Teacher friends before but…
  One is a European bloke who wears bone carvings and has given his European kids Maori names. He told me once over a beer that “White people have brought nothing but death and destruction throughout history” and that “Pakeha brought nothing positive to Aotearoa..” etc etc
  He quite openly looks forward to the end of European Culture.
  He teaches kids.
  
  Another Teacher friend made this fantastic comment on Facebook-
  “I don’t care about the bloody Economy I care about child poverty and kids with Hungry Tummies”
  She teaches kids.
  
  We are doomed.
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:51am
  - GoVege
    
    Relax, LK, kids are not as gullible as you think.
    
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    October 1, 2017 1:58pm
- Paulus
  
  And one of those teachers, probably with similar views, has been chosen as Deputy Mayor of Wellington.
  
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  October 1, 2017 1:48pm
- KevOB
  
  Teachers are a strange variety. I apologise to the exceptions but my years as a public servant where I dealt with a full cross section of the public gave me an insight into people. They were the most fractious when it came to form filling. The form never said what they though it did and they were always right. They seemed guided by an alternative set of instincts outside common reason.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:22pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  What scares me is that they will have some influence on what their students – pre high school – pick up in their classes.
  
  That’s why parents have to educate and protect their children – and monitor what is being said in class.
  
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  October 2, 2017 2:00am
103PapPap

This is the future of welfare payments: a card that allows you to buy food and products, but not alcohol or cigarettes or cash out.
https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/enablers/cashless-debit-card
This looks like a winner!
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October 1, 2017 9:33am
- Southern Raider
  
  But think of the people’s rights!
  
  Who are you to say that a beneficiary shouldn’t be able to prioritise smokes and booze over school lunches
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:16am
  - Gabby
    
    Crikey sodden ranter, look out for that fucking great straw man you just shat.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  People will still barter and it will no doubt not be equal.
  
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  October 1, 2017 3:20pm
- KevOB
  
  WINZ already does that for some payments.
  It would not be appropriate for the regular payments.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:23pm
realityczech

00.9 of a degree ! We are doooooomed 🙂

Science News

A study in the journal Nature Geoscience says the world has warmed more slowly than had been forecast by computer models, which were “on the hot side” and overstated the impact of emissions. You don’t say…

Global average temperature has risen by about 0.9C since pre-industrial times but there was a slowdown in the rate of warming for 15 years before 2014.

Er, would that be the slowdown that was authoritatively said not to have happened because the computer models all said it was impossible for it to happen, because everyone knew that rising CO2 levels inescapably caused global temperatures to rise and anyone who said the evidence of the slowdown showed the entire theory was bunkum and hogwash was a “denier”?

Yes, it would.
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October 1, 2017 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The paper is paywalled.
  Can’t have the hoi-polloi finding out that the climate models are crap.
  
  A good, thorough analysis of the paper is given here
  https://judithcurry.com/2017/09/26/are-climate-models-overstating-warming/
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:51am
  - realityczech
    
    The smart ones are gently backing away from alarmism in an attempt to maintain their ~~funding~~ credibility. This was also the reason they invented “climate change” instead of warming.
    
    Who can seriously doubt the weather changes ? Studying those natural cycles is the most well funded branch of ~~activism~~ science raking in billions and billions of dollars yearly.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:06am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The Alarmists™ subsequently tried to replace Climate Change with Global Climate Disruption, but that failed to take hold after the corrupt IPCC dropped its previous assertions that humans were the cause of [more | less] [storms | droughts | rain | snow | ice | unhappy polar bears]
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:09pm
  - MT_Tinman
    
    There have been several articles recently calling for redress for those who have been disadvantaged by the warmist fraudsters demands that only they have the right to study or comment on the issue.
    
    In Britain at least this seems to be a growing trend.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:08am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Dr Maggy Wassilieff phd
    I have already pointed you to a rebuttal of that rubbish from the authors of the study .
    It does not surprise me you are continuing to push what you know to be bullshite .
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Since you have publicly written here on Kiwiblog that you think I am a piece of shit, then of course you are not surprised.
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/general_debate_27_september_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2038137
      Why even bother addressing something to me if I am a piece of shit and tell lies?
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:24am
      - realityczech
        
        Why is it that alarmists are so abusive and use personal attacks when confronted by science ?
        
        People who don’t tell lies about the climate are polite informed and rely on evidence to make their points.
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:41am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @realityczech
        
        I don’t know why people need to be abusive.
        I do believe one of the reasons I first started commenting on this blog was because I thought personal abuse was not tolerated.
        
        But now everyone “knows” that I:
        am mentally deranged,
        pre-menopausal/post menopausal,
        suffering from sexual jealousy,
        tried to seduce a climate scientist,
        am a slut,
        possess saggy little tits,
        tell lies,
        have issues,
        and
        is a piece of shit.
        
        (I may have missed a few out).
        
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        October 1, 2017 11:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So an admission that you are deliberately trying to ruin my reputation.
        
        You are not interested in debating the issues or responding to what is written here.
        
        You are happily using someone else’s blog to carry out personal attacks that will feature on Google searches.
        Good one, eh!
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:17pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Lovey you are ruining what is left of your own reputation.
        I just add a highlighter so its easy to find.
        
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        October 1, 2017 1:11pm
      - GoVege
        
        Relax Maggie, we all love you, and Gruffy too.
        
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        October 1, 2017 2:16pm
    - KevOB
      
      Read the IPCC reports then. The policy summaries are different to what in the details. One Report (#3?) states that climate cannot be measured and we are dealing with a chaotic system and no valid forecasts are possible. Science buried in the small print.
      
      Grants, politics and a socialist plan to redistribute income have emerged from behind the smoke screen of dishonesty. Care to read the Hadcrut emails too? Nothing is more off putting than discovering “scientists” planning to falsify data and present it as truth–fraud. This invalidates all the rest of their work and their associates work.
      
      Why weren’t we frozen to death by now from the 1970 predicted cooling? It sure was scary then.
      
      Dr Wassilieff makes a great deal more sense than many here.
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:36pm
Biscuit

I see Whale Oil has a (very poorly grammarised!) ad up:

Welcome to Whaleoil this month we offer you a FREE gift

We are offering you the opportunity to try out a Whaleoil subscription for a month as our FREE gift to you

No thanks, Whale Oil!

Two things:

1. If a ‘gift’ ain’t ‘free’ it AIN’T a ‘gift’. Can you just imagine the mayhem at one of our family’s little ones’ birthdays if I told the littlie in question: ‘Happy 11th Birthday. Here’s your gift. It’ll cost you $50’…

2. Whale Oil these days can be summarised in just 22 words:

National, before John Key spurned Whale Oil (how dare he, eh?): Good
National, after that evil John Key spurned Whale Oil: Bad
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October 1, 2017 9:42am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I can sum it up in 2 words:
  Unmitigated shite.
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:20am
  - Nookin
    
    ABS.
    Just shite will do. It is mitigated in the sense that you do not have to go there.
    
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    October 1, 2017 12:18pm
jcuk

While some of the comment here miss me I am glad I do not have TV or newspaper these days.
Though it was fun listening to NatRad this morning as Espiner tried to defend himself against Seymore’s attacks of bias…. the bias is so obvious.
I could live without NatRad so long as Concert remained funded despite it being completely frustrating compared to pre-concert days.
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October 1, 2017 9:46am
- mikenmild
  
  You don’t object to the taxpayer funding a radio station so long as you approve of the content (classical music)?
  Must be one of them there chardonnay socialists.
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:51am
  - Longknives
    
    I reckon there should be a Taxpayer funded Hard Rock/Metal Station where your Hosts Dime and Longknives talk music and Right-Wing Politics…
    
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    October 1, 2017 11:54am
  - KevOB
    
    Once we didn’t have the socialist drivel served up on the public broadcaster. It’s time to close some functions down–news and interviews particularly.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:43pm
wiseowl

Is being a realestate agent considered a qualification suitable or needed , to gain entry to New Zealand or residency points?
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October 1, 2017 9:51am
- mikenmild
  
  Would you like me to google that for you?
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:52am
- Southern Raider
  
  Maybe ones that are ethical are maybe in short supply and a valid entry category?
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:18am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I would imagine that they would have to retrain, I think that Aus. and NZ were compatible once due to the Australian Real Estate companies that exist here.
  
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  October 1, 2017 3:25pm
wiseowl

May be better if you google subtle .
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October 1, 2017 9:58am
Digmen1

Getting back to the Kurdistan referendum on independence from Iraq.

As a keen amateur historian I have always supported a Kurdistan country carved out of Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria.

The Referendum gave a huge yes (92%) to independence.

But sadly I think they did not think it through. If you look at the map “Kurdistan” is landlocked and has no means of getting exports (oil) out or imports in, without the co-operation/permission of the other 4 countries.

And none of those countries wants an Independent Kurdistan to succeed as then the Kurds in their countries will want to join it.
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October 1, 2017 10:20am
Odakyu-sen

New Zealand is not a socialist country in the strict definition of socialism.

NZ is wealthy enough, thanks to free market principles and the protection of property rights, to provide an extensive welfare state.

“A socialist country cannot be a capitalist country. New Zealand has social programs but also a free market. And this free market is maintained by the government’s protection of private property.”
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October 1, 2017 10:26am
- Viking2
  
  ok wait up.
  The govt. is not a staunch defender of private property rights.
  Neither party although Labour did better with the seabed law.
  
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  October 1, 2017 10:41am
lastmanstanding

We need a law change so the party that polls highest gets to go to the others NOT the other way around. If the party that polls the highest cant form a government then the next highest party gets to go to the others and so on.

Thats democracy. What we have now isnt. We have 7% party in the box seat with a 46% party having to hope the 7% party chooses it over the 35% party.

Gezzzzz.

I betcha Nats and Lab would support a change its would be to their advantage in the future.
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October 1, 2017 10:46am
- SGA
  
  We need a law change so the party that polls highest gets to go to the others NOT the other way around.
  …
  That’s democracy.
  
  I’m not sure that such a law would achieve much (and I don’t know what “gets to go to the others” would mean in a formal sense). In terms of it being much more democratic – at the end of the day, the opposition will be those that fewer people voted for compared to those in government.
  
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  October 1, 2017 1:18pm
William of Ockham

http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/opinion/view/379

A number of media reports have asserted that our recent study in Nature Geoscience indicates that global temperatures are not rising as fast as predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and hence that action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is no longer urgent.

Both assertions are false.

Our results are entirely in line with the IPCC’s 2013 prediction that temperatures in the 2020s would be 0.9-1.3 degrees above pre-industrial (See figures 2c and 3a of our article which show the IPCC prediction, our projections, and temperatures of recent years).

What we have done is to update the implications for the amount of carbon dioxide we can still emit while expecting global temperatures to remain below the Paris Climate Agreement goal of 1.5 degrees. We find that, to likely meet the Paris goal, emission reductions would need to begin immediately and reach zero in less than 40 years’ time.

While that is not geophysically impossible, to suggest that this means that measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are now unnecessary is clearly false.

Authors:

Richard J. Millar
Jan S. Fuglestvedt
Pierre Friedlingstein
Joeri Rogelj,
Michael J. Grubb,
H. Damon Matthews
Ragnhild B. Skeie
Piers M. Forster
David J. Frame
Myles R. Allen
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October 1, 2017 11:04am
- Gruffydd
  
  Maggy has already seen that Dennis
  That she continues to link to bullshite shows what she is .
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:09am
  - William of Ockham
    
    My comments are for Farrar, not the dumbcunz he has collected.
    
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    October 1, 2017 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Presumably I am one of the dumbcunz …
      but it is usually spelt dumb cunts.
      
      So as well as being a piece of shit, you anonymous chaps have got me sussed, alright!
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/general_debate_27_september_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2038137
      
      Anyway, the usual way to contact DPF is via email… he states in his Comments.. that he doesn’t always read GD
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:26am
    - realityczech
      
      “My comments are for Farrar, not the dumbcunz he has collected.”
      
      Typical of the abuse and personal attacks alarmist rely upon when confronted with evidence that exposes the lies they tell.
      
      They are clearly people of limited intellect and ability.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:45am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      My comments are for Farrar
      Don’t worry Dennis, I am sure someone will bring them to his attention.
      
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      October 1, 2017 11:54am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      just fuck off willie ya loser
      
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      October 2, 2017 1:51am
- KevOB
  
  The IPCC has refuted its own ability to ever be able to forecast climate change.
  It’s about time to kick it out of the paddock.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:46pm
William of Ockham

Access to paper Millar et al

https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo3031.epdf?referrer_access_token=lGO_lMiZ2EnNyDyOlt_ezdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0OhiLdhtid2wIzB9lmkCPRiC-608LsH4hjjmGpyBVtm5XcLr6iQRk_brXCpf7Zn4ZEuAlg_I-6VGA9okyUAfIPneJ3-INjycAn-qF2gQG47rejL6lTfjzJDAgod4LzD2egvMJ16wbIEPNsjr43fgCPY&tracking_referrer=www.realclimate.org
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October 1, 2017 11:09am
- KevOB
  
  Read the full IPCC reports. Thousands of pages.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:47pm
William of Ockham

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/sep/27/right-wing-media-could-not-be-more-wrong-about-the-15c-carbon-budget-paper
[extract]
Biased right-wing media turns on the spin cycle
Of course, many conservatives who want to maintain the status quo object to that reality. As we saw with the recent Ipso ruling, many right-wing media outlets will jump at any opportunity to misrepresent climate research in order to advance the climate denial agenda.

Unfortunately, Ben Webster of the London Times appears to have misunderstood co-author Myles Allen’s explanation of their study, and quoted him as saying:

We haven’t seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models. We haven’t seen that in the observations.

Many climate scientists immediately pointed out this assertion is false. The UK Met Office noted, “The observations lie comfortably within the modelled range.”

The Daily Mail (reliable only for its unreliable climate reporting) subsequently claimed that the paper showed climate models had overestimated temperatures by ‘at least’ 0.3°C, and quoted Allen calling this “a big deal,” although the context of that quote was conveniently omitted. In a subsequent fact check at Carbon Brief, Zeke Hausfather detailed the many misunderstandings that led to this false conclusion. As fellow study co-author Piers Forster told Carbon Brief:

I think some press reporting is misleading as our paper did not assess climate impacts or climate model performance. Rather, our paper confirms the need for much increased urgent action from around the world if society stands a chance of limiting warming to 1.5C.

Myles Allen and study lead author Richard Millar took to The Guardian to criticize the conservative media outlets that had misrepresented their research. I spoke to Allen, who clarified that he was trying to explain that temperatures didn’t seem to be responding to carbon emissions as fast as the models used in the last IPCC report anticipated. Except the reasons for that have already been identified – the actual global energy imbalance hasn’t been as large as in the scenarios input into the climate models, and we have to compare apples-to-apples temperatures. As Allen and Millar wrote in The Guardian:

the IPCC specifically assessed that temperatures in the 2020s would be 0.9-1.3C warmer than pre-industrial, the lower end of which is already looking conservative. Anyone who had troubled to read our paper would have found this “IPCC AR5 Ch11 projection” helpfully labelled on two of our figures, and clearly consistent with our new results.

It appears that Ben Webster didn’t understand Allen’s explanation, and Allen was perhaps a bit careless with some of his words. As a result, Webster quoted Allen saying the models were running too hot. Conservative ‘journalists’ and opinion writers saw that seemingly juicy quote and without speaking to Allen or any other climate scientists, ran with it, completely distorting the actual findings of the paper in the process.

It’s been clear for years that conservative media outlets thrive on any comments from climate scientists that can be construed as supporting climate denial myths (model reliability being among the most popular myths). It’s unfortunate that climate scientists have to be so careful about what they say, but that’s the reality we live in. Biased conservative media outlets aren’t interested in accurately reporting scientific findings; they’re interested in advancing the climate denial agenda of manufacturing doubt in order to erode public support for climate policies. And so the grossly misleading ‘alarmist scientists admit they were wrong’ story was echoed by Breitbart, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Herald Sun, Fox News, the Daily Caller, and many more.
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October 1, 2017 11:16am
- KevOB
  
  …long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.
  IPCC:
  https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/505.htm
  
  Buried in 1,000 page + reports.
  Not in the summaries for policy makers.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:56pm
big bruv

On a wet Sunday morning there is bugger all else to do apart from have a gander at Sky sport. I note that in the coverage of the NZ team v the Argies there is a huge crowd of……30,000 lol, that should put an immediate end to the ‘world famous’ tag that Kiwis keep pushing when talking about the national team.
Also, I find it hilarious that the NZ host of the broadcast is reduced to begging the local expert for praise about the NZ team.
Let’s just hope that the Argies can get the win, it will be really great for all 30,000 of their fans…..lol
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October 1, 2017 11:27am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Lovely day in Lower Hutt so far, and you’re dreaming mate.
  
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  October 1, 2017 12:00pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  that’s just the msm and nzrfu
  most rugby fans know what a load of shit the hype is.
  
  Even in NZ it’s just one sport of many.
  
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  October 2, 2017 1:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another view on the Nature Geoscience paper about climate models running too hot.

-It’s all PR and politics
http://joannenova.com.au/2017/09/latest-belated-admission-the-models-were-too-hot-is-all-pr-and-politics-nothing-to-do-with-science/
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October 1, 2017 11:42am
- realityczech
  
  Oh look – Science ❗
  
  Stand by for another abusive attack from Willy & Co Maggy 🙂
  
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  October 1, 2017 11:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Another abusive attack…
    oh surely not
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
    
    Anyway, I’ve had my brains abused, my mental health abused, my tits abused, my sexual behaviour abused, ..
    I await the desecration of my soul…. I’m not too sure what else I’ve got left to prop me up.
    
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    October 1, 2017 12:06pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      You have no soul to abuse lovey .
      Poor wee snowflake
      
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      October 1, 2017 12:12pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      DPF needs to do something about the constant abuse that Griff subjects you to. He is not even pretending to debate you now, in a comment above he states that his goal is to link you to your comments on Kiwiblog when people google your name. As far as I am concerned that’s doxxing you.
      
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      October 1, 2017 12:15pm
      - Nookin
        
        You actually read anything Griff says?
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        “states that his goal is to link you”
        
        A dirty little trick typical of alarmists. Maggy uses her real name and should be afforded more respect because of it.
        
        It’s open season on the rest of us though in the KB tradition 🙂
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have reported Griff in the past, but not for ages now.
        DPF does not share my views of what I thought was extreme nasty abuse.. trying to link me and ‘people like me” with the nervous breakdown of a NZ climate scientist (something that happened years before climate change became ‘controversial).
        Another time I was told Griff had received a standdown.. but he seemed to be able to freely comment the following days/weeks.
        
        I’ve figured out, either I ignore the crap from Griff/Gruffydd and carry on commenting….
        
        or I shut up.
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        People only get banned for abuse if they do not have the approved view on certain topics.
        
        Don’t take my word for it, just look at what people have been banned for and compare it to what is allowed daily. It is censorship and nothing more.
        
        There was a purge that would do Stalin proud coming up to the election.
        
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        October 1, 2017 12:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, I agree with you. Griff (Gruffyd) can be a nasty piece of work.
        
        As well as the abuse and gross rudeness he aims at you, Griff, with no evidence or basis, has periodically lapsed into electronic tantrums. In these outbursts Griff has accused posters he disagrees with of being drunkards, wife beaters, and even paedophiles.
        
        Griff, who admits to being a dedicated marijuana user, is living evidence that cannabis isn’t the happy drug supporters claim it is.
        
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        October 1, 2017 3:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      That is what Griff calls “science” Maggy.
      
      He is a well known troll on climate science blogs all over the internet. Those blogs are much harder on him that KB is.
      
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      October 1, 2017 12:19pm
KevinH

Beautiful morning here in Dunedin, breakfasting at a gorgeous cafe serving fresh organic food, one of the delights to be enjoyed in this quaint town.
The train trip down the Taiere Gorge to Middlemarch is fantastic, the countryside recovering from winter storms which caused floods and slips.
From the train I could see the remains of the Hillside Rail workshops, a shadow of the past but perhaps the reason why this town is still a Labour stronghold with Clare Curran enjoying a healthy majority.
The lunch room banter at my workplace this last week has been animated and frank, southern folks are unapologetic about their political alliances, unlike my Auckland colleagues who are more guarded with their views.
Dunedin is a Labour town through and through and of course home to a large percentage of special votes. The locals talk of a Labour led government being a possibility. Maybe.
As Chuck Bird alluded to Jim Bolgers interview with Jessica Much on the Nation this morning was perhaps the best indication of what to expect from Winston this coming fortnight.
Sir Jim said that the option of sitting on the cross benches with a confidence and supply agreement looks likely. Depending on the specials it could go either way. We know specials favour the left, especially the Greens.
We could have a minority govt, and then again a Labour/ Greens govt.
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October 1, 2017 11:44am
realityczech

This is just what the climate Luddites want; The destruction of modern capitalist technological society.

They blatantly lie about alternative energy being cheaper as the country faces crippling energy costs.

Green costs are killing heavy industry in Britain

British electricity prices are the highest in Europe, twice the average, and far higher than in Asia and America.

Britain has the highest electricity prices because it has the most draconian climate policies.

As well as paying huge and growing bills to subsidise those futile playthings of the rich, the wind and solar industries, energy-intensive industry also picks up the cost of the “carbon price floor”, a tax on fossil fuels used to generate electricity, which was introduced in 2013 and doubled last year to £18.08 per tonne of carbon, or more than four times the cost of the European emissions trading scheme, of £4 a tonne.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2016/04/matt-ridley-from-uk-green-costs-are.html#more
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October 1, 2017 12:02pm
- KevOB
  
  Britain imports wood chips from the USA to burn to produce electricity–daft.
  
  They also had Euro law which prevented cleaning out Somerset waterways and hence flooded the whole region–daft again.
  
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  October 1, 2017 5:03pm
Viking2

A voting booth that apparently bucked the region’s National leanings had the local farming community scratching their heads.

One farmer said he couldn’t believe the figures. Another said there must have been a mistake.

Turns out they were right.

The commission’s preliminary results for the rural township showed of the 215 votes, a whopping 123 were for the Māori Party, compared to just 32 for National and 30 for Labour.

But on Friday the commission confirmed there had been a “data entry error” and those 123 votes actually belonged to National.

Before the commission’s revelation, Linkwater residents were gobsmacked by the preliminary figures, saying it was common knowledge the township was full of National supporters.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97402483/the-small-rural-township-that-stood-up-and-was-counted–wrongly

Doesn’t inspire a great deal of confidence in any result and the whiners don’t want internet voting.
Geees man.
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October 1, 2017 12:07pm
Ross12

The MSM are trying to hammer President Trump and FEMA over the lack of support for Puerto Rico.
Maybe they should look at what the striking truck drivers are doing
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/
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October 1, 2017 12:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Why should the USA support Puerto Rico ?
  
  It is an entirely different country. Why not demand Kenya do more to help Puerto Rico ?
  
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  October 1, 2017 12:53pm
  - cha
    
    Because Puerto Ricans are natural-born citizens of the United States who live in a US territory, with the right move freely between the island and mainland US.
    
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    October 1, 2017 12:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      I know the filthy animal Obama hated them with a passion. He threw out thousands of them and openly defended blacks trying to kill them. Puerto Rican George Zimmerman being one such victim.
      
      They are not US citizens that was of course a lie.
      
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      October 1, 2017 1:11pm
      - cha
        
        Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian, idiot.
        
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        October 1, 2017 1:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes Obama hates them t0o. He hates anyone not black.
        
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        October 1, 2017 1:18pm
- cha
  
  The stupidest man on the internet lives up to his moniker.
  
  But, he said, “It’s pretty ugly out there…. There is damage to the trucking infrastructure, to the distributors, to the supermarkets, to the roads. And then, if your infrastructure is not so damaged, and you can get a driver to the truck, there is no fuel to move the equipment.”
  
  Mr. Ayala said roads in the immediate area around San Juan are severely damaged and that sites further from the capital appear to be impassable.
  
  “We have been talking to truck drivers and they say if it is challenging around San Juan now, imagine driving a truck with 40-foot container attached, it’s impossible,” he said.
  
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/puerto-rico-port-reopens-but-relief-distribution-remains-slow-1506446137
  
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  October 1, 2017 1:06pm
- Ross12
  
  Further to the GWP report above we have this from Conservative Treehouse
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/30/puerto-rico-teamsters-union-frente-amplio-refuse-to-deliver-supplies-use-hurricane-maria-as-contract-leverage/
  
  Scroll down to the comments and there is a twitter video posted by andi lee from David Begnaud showing 3000 shipping containers on the wharf waiting to be distributed . Some have been there for days.
  The comments from the democrat mayor just shows there is no shame in politicising tragic events.
  
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  October 1, 2017 1:43pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Every house on the Island has now been checked.
    As of 5am on Thursday,EST the US has helped Puerto Rico with:
    • 1.3 million meals
    • 2.7 million liters of water
    • 12 Coast Guard cutters
    • 10,000 responders
    • 12 U.S. Navy ships
    • 6 Commercial ships with supplies en route.
    • 7 more ships to house responders
    Stores are opening: +60% of gas stations operating & providing fuel; 49% of grocery & big box stores on the island now open
    Power was restored to 59 hospitals
    The Island is just wrecked. Many roads are impassable.
    PR received $21 Billion a year from the Fed Govt. Where did the money go?
    And what’s with that Union on strike who won’t let stuff out of the Port?
    Infrastructure was pretty poor before this and now it’s just gone. It’s going to cost heaps.
    
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    October 1, 2017 2:30pm
Fletch

Liberals really are losing their minds about how now Dr Seuss is racist. They’ve gone completely off the deep end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znLz7yLo4rA
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October 1, 2017 12:58pm
- GoVege
  
  My fave author when I was a kid…along with Enid Blyton.
  
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  October 1, 2017 1:59pm
  - GoVege
    
    Can’t remember anything racist in it…though maybe the mum was a bit naughty leaving the kids home alone for the day.
    How did it go…the sun did not shine, it was too wet to play, so we sat in the house all that cold, cold, wet day…
    
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    October 1, 2017 2:09pm
- GoVege
  
  I read yesterday that Anna Browne, murderer of Carly Stewart, has 6 kids.
  Anna is 36 and apparently her eldest child is 23, making her a first time mum at 13.
  Could this be an example of the marvellous “fertility” of Maori girls aged 13 to 17 that Dame Tariana is so proud of?
  
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  October 1, 2017 2:05pm
  - GoVege
    
    Who’s a grumpy down-ticker today??
    
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    October 1, 2017 2:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    They are not especially fertile. Most are obese by that age and in poor health.
    
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    October 1, 2017 2:14pm
    - GoVege
      
      Nah, RC, Maori girls are rarely obese.
      Most of them don’t get fed enough for starters.
      
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      October 1, 2017 2:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bullshit. Most are obese soon after puberty. That is a simple statistical fact, but you can see it walking down the street.
        
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        October 1, 2017 2:42pm
      - GoVege
        
        It’s Pacifica kids who are obese, RC.
        Their parents tend to spoil them, and don’t let them out of their sights so there’s not much chance of them joining the stats for teen mums…til much later anyway.
        
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        October 1, 2017 2:43pm
    - GoVege
      
      If “they’re not especially fertile”, then how come they have 4 times the fertility rate of any other group of 13 to 17 year olds?
      
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      October 1, 2017 2:48pm
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    13 is insanely young . . . far too young of course.
    
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    October 2, 2017 1:27am
realityczech

Searches are already modified when searching topics related to climate change and the atrocities, war crimes and illegal invasions committed by the rogue nuclear armed state of Israel.
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Google ‘must review its search rankings because of rightwing manipulation’

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/05/google-must-review-its-search-rankings-because-of-rightwing-manipulation
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October 1, 2017 1:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Google distorts results to hide the truth about the Jews. This is the sort of dishonesty and contempt for non Jews that has resulted in Jews not being trusted by decent people.
  ——————————————-
  Google steps in to stop ‘Jews’ running Hollywood
  Search engine recalibrates its algorithm’s problematic answer to the question ‘Who runs Hollywood’
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-steps-in-to-stop-jews-running-hollywood/
  
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  Google removes ‘are Jews evil’ search suggestion
  Website’s suggestions produced by an algorithm based on users’ activity, company says; site ,still offers ‘bad’ to searches beginning ‘are Muslims’
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-removes-are-jews-evil-search-suggestion/
  
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  October 1, 2017 2:19pm
realityczech

Trump has saved the USA from this violent ignorant beast. Trump wants a passive wall. The violent animal Obama wanted drones, attack dogs and armed patrols.

Immigrants deported under Obama share stories of terror and rights violations
http://www.businessinsider.com/deportation-horror-stories-2017-3?IR=T
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October 1, 2017 1:17pm
Nookin

What a bloody awful test match!
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October 1, 2017 1:37pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  On the upside, free to air on Duke, Toronto just annihilated New York City in Major League Soccer, a hat-trick to Morrow. On track to win the Major League outright. And not one of them has to #takeaknee
  
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  October 1, 2017 2:16pm
- VicParking
  
  Yes what bit Prime show
  
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  October 1, 2017 2:57pm
GoVege

Met a Maori chick on Friday who was thrilled to bits with the demise of the Maori Party.
Says they have never done anything much for ordinary Maori.
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October 1, 2017 2:40pm
GoVege

Just saw a huge pink piggy person on telly.
Not only do they have the same intelligence as dogs, they wag their tails like dogs do too!
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October 1, 2017 2:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  You can eat dogs as well as pigs, you know.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:18pm
  - GoVege
    
    Only the lowest humans would eat man’s best friend.
    Who was that explorer roundly despised for eating his dogs?
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:28pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Do you mean Amundsen the polar hero? Who was killed trying to rescue another explorer? That kind of low human?
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        Did he EAT him when he found him?
        All those stupid humans CHOSE to go on a dangerous adventure into perilous conditions, solely for their own ego trips.
        The dogs never chose.
        They faithfully followed their humans and were murdered and eaten as their reward.
        Scott was a decent human being.
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:57pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Do you really think Scott was so much better because he ate his ponies instead of dogs?
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        Scott ate his PONIES, Milky???
        But wasn’t he ENGLISH??
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:42pm
GoVege

As an alternative to eating piggy people and other species, Pak n Save have some yummy vegetarian meals on special today.
Stock up!
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October 1, 2017 2:53pm
- realityczech
  
  The promotion of plant based foods and low fat diets has killed millions of people and made billions sick.
  
  Carb based diets have seen obesity and diabetes skyrocket.
  
  Fatty meat is far more healthy and we were lied to.
  
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  October 1, 2017 2:59pm
  - GoVege
    
    Rubbish rallytee!
    Fats from NUTS are the healthiest.
    The ones from animals…esp mammals…kill u off early.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:13pm
    - realityczech
      
      There is no evidence of that. It was a myth created on a discredited study and promoted by the US grain lobby.
      
      It is fake science. Do a google search and educate yourself.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCw7AW3Zdg8
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:16pm
      - GoVege
        
        Bullsh*t!
        The meat lobby is always putting out fake news.
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        My GP told me fat from nuts is healthy but fat from meat is NOT!
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        Great can I have his name ? I will report the piece of shit. He should be criminally charged. The misery pieces of shit like that have caused is beyond measure.
        
        Since the low fat craze obesity and diabetes has gone rocketed. Sugars cause obesity, hear disease and cancer.
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:33pm
- Nostradamus
  
  GoVege:
  
  As an alternative to eating piggy people
  
  Pork is a rich source of many different vitamins and minerals:
  
  – Thiamin: Unlike other types of red meat, such as beef and lamb, pork is particularly rich in thiamin. Thiamin is one of the B-vitamins and plays an essential role in various body functions (4).
  – Selenium: Pork is usually a rich source of selenium. The best sources of this essential mineral are animal-derived foods, such as meat, seafood, eggs, and dairy products (5).
  – Zinc: An important mineral, abundant in pork. It is essential for a healthy brain and immune system.
  – Vitamin B12: Only found in foods of animal origin, vitamin B12 is important for blood formation and brain function. Vitamin B12 deficiency may cause anemia and damage to neurons.
  – Vitamin B6: A group of several related vitamins, important for the formation of red blood cells.
  – Niacin: One of the B-vitamins, also called vitamin B3. It serves a variety of functions in the body and is important for growth and metabolism.
  – Phosphorus: Abundant and common in most foods, phosphorus is usually a large component of people’s diets. It is essential for body growth and maintenance.
  – Iron: Pork contains less iron than lamb or beef. However, the absorption of meat iron (heme-iron) from the digestive tract is very efficient and pork can be considered an outstanding source of iron.
  
  Hopefully Pak’n’Save has some good pork specials when you do your next stopping trip!
  
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  October 1, 2017 3:38pm
  - GoVege
    
    And pork gives you bowel cancer!
    Of the top ten healthiest foods on the planet, NINE are plants..and the 10th is salmon!
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      Oh the old bowel cancer lies LOL 🙂
      
      Cancer cells live on sugars. Eg. plant based carbs
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        It’s been scientifically proven that meat becomes carcinogenic when cooked.
        The human digestive system is totally unlike that of carnivores.
        We are designed to eat plants…and some fish.
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:25pm
      - Gabby
        
        You’re not eating really czitty sugarless meat are you.
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        You might think it is harmless virtue signalling, but your lies are killing millions of people.
        
        Burnt anything is carcinogenic.
        
        Vegetarians fundamentally hate nature. They are not; enlightened, compassionate, ethical, caring, or nice.
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:39pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      GoVege:
      
      pork gives you bowel cancer
      
      Bowel Cancer New Zealand expresses a more nuanced position:
      
      While no cancer is completely preventable, you can lower your risk of bowel cancer by eating a healthy diet and exercising regularly.
      …
      Enjoy a wide variety of nutritious foods: … Include lean meat, fish and poultry.
      …
      Take care to: … Limit your intake of red meat and processed meat.
      
      The issue, as always, is moderation and a balanced diet.
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:25pm
      - GoVege
        
        You live longer if you stop eating mammals.
        So do the mammals. … 🙂
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:31pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Most of those farm animals would be dead if we went veg.
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:55pm
  - GoVege
    
    You can get all those B vitamins from marmite.
    Brazil nuts are loaded with selenium.
    B12 you can get from fish and other non-mammalian sources.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:16pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      GoVege:
      
      Philu was a fellow Kiwiblog vegan traveller – he doesn’t comment here anymore. What do you think of his dietary recommendations for pet dogs?
      
      [Cannabis]
      i once knew a dog that had a fondness for eating cannabis..
      ..and would wolf down the contents of peoples’ baggies if able to..(everyone had baggies..back then..)
      
      [Avocado on toast]
      my vegan dogs consider avocado on toast..to be a form of catnip..
      ..they almost do cartwheels when they hear that is coming up..
      
      [Fruit]
      ..and c’mon..!..nutritionally..what i feed my dogs..is nutritionally a country-mile ahead of cow-eye-lid-ridden ‘dog-roll’..
      ..my dogs love fruit..apples/bananas..
      ..and of course..avocado on toast..
      
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      October 1, 2017 4:36pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Dog roll is mostly made from corn and soy based vegetable protein .
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:43pm
      - GoVege
        
        Great!
        Thanks for that, Nostradamus!
        Now I know what to feed my next doggy!
        My last one ate a diet mostly based on potato for her skin problems.
        She made it to 16 (much longer than usual ) and only died then because she got skin cancer.
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:43pm
      - GoVege
        
        Fellas: do you know why we gals live 9 years longer than yous on average?
        Coz most vegetarians are female…
        
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        October 1, 2017 4:46pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        ….I sure as hell don’t miss PhilU and his ellipses!
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:02pm
      - stigie
        
        He was a great source of entertainment ABS with his over the top weird way of living and ideas and of course the punctuation…eh…?
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:47pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I have never met a dog that likes cannabis but I have met plenty of cats who do. And I dont like the idea of my burglar alarm snacking out my cupboards and sleeping through the day.
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:36pm
    - Viking2
      
      Along with your Mercury.
      Tends to be high in fish and nuts. That explains why Greenies are usually nut cases.
      Also affects those that eat sea foods from around the NZ coast and in the Pacific. A doco about that last night somewhere,.
      
      Mercury fucks the brains. Add a bit of dope and wow.
      
      😆
      
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      October 1, 2017 6:51pm
- nasska
  
  Vegetarian: I refuse to eat meat because I’m as one with Mother Nature and believe the slaughtering of innocent animals purely for food or pleasure is morally wrong.
  
  Yeah? Well lets put you in a cage with a tiger and see if Mother Nature agrees with you…
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    You have to see it from the tiger’s perspective.
    
    Option 1: tasty meat in front of you (with the tantalising prospect of bones to gnaw on afterwards).
    
    Option 2: go foraging in the wilderness for grains and poppy seeds.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:56pm
    - GoVege
      
      Ever wondered why tigers are nearly extinct?
      Greedy basta*rds eating all those nice, sweet herbivores when there are plenty of plants to go around.
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:03pm
  - GoVege
    
    You first, nasska. 🙂
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      What’s the matter?
      It was nasska’s idea!
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:06pm
VicParking

Not only is it bad enough that we can’t watch the All Blacks free to air.
Not only do we have to watch it delayed with adverts every few minutes.
Today we are only getting highlights, with big chunks of the game being edited out.
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October 1, 2017 2:56pm
- mikenmild
  
  It wasn’t too bad. They just cut out some of the down time when lineouts and scrum are forming, etc.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:24pm
  - VicParking
    
    Thats all part of the game.
    
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    October 1, 2017 4:55pm
    - stigie
      
      Might be time to get Sky Sport VP..?
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:50pm
- GoVege
  
  Funny how the most uncouth western countries idolize this brutal game.
  Last night mum got distressed with watching these young dudes slamming into each other and asked Mr GoVege “don’t they have soccer on ever?”
  Fortunately mum was too deaf to hear his reply….
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:51pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Major League Soccer live on Duke every Sunday. 2 games today, Toronto vs NYC, Kansas City vs Vancouver.
    Results: TOR 4-2 NYC, VAN 1-0 LKC
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:28pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  VicParking,
  Google search CricHD
  Use an adblocker. Haven’t paid for sports in 5 years and don’t intend to.
  
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  October 1, 2017 5:05pm
Jack5

Wives of the Asian paedophile gangs who raped young white girls in Britain are blaming the girls as filthy white girls. (Link below).

The banned troll Kia, under his/her current pseudonym, will doubtless see this as a chance to launch an anti-Jewish jibe and accuse me of being fanatically anti-Islam.

If it’s fanatical to despise adult Muslims who have been preying on white children in Britain, there are going to be helluva lot of fanatics now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4936754/Wives-men-jailed-rape-blame-victims-too.html
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October 1, 2017 3:26pm
- GoVege
  
  Just typical of the chauvinistic mind-control systems/ religions in place all over the planet to brainwash females to accept the abuse by brutal males.
  Only in the western world have humans broken free of the thought control and treat females (and animals ) with kindness and respect.
  Unfortunately stupid naive morons who have never lived in these primitive cultures have let legions of chauvinist brutes in to torture their own women.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:36pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”treat females (and animals ) with kindness and respect”….
    
    Just last night I tied up the dogs & threw them a feed of mutton flaps. I then went inside & made the old girl a cup of tea & gave her a pat on the arse.
    
    Did I get it wrong again? 🙂
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      No nasska, apart from your choice of dog feed, you did well.
      You are a credit to Kiwi farmers and I look forward to you turning your pastures into nut groves.
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:09pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ve seen dog roll made & it doesn’t tally with Griff’s comment above. What I saw was rubbish meat from animals that had died in the paddock, offal, meat/fish meal & carbohydrate from cereals rammed through an emulsifier, cooked & wrapped.
        
        Nothing terribly wrong with that but it was chocka with fat. A dog needs fat otherwise it can’t utilise the vitamins in it’s food but too much is bad.
        
        I’ve worked my dogs hard but all they’ve ever been fed is meat & dog biscuits.
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        For Dog’s sake put those dogs on veges, nasska!
        Your description of the contents of dog roll have made me nauseous! !
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:24pm
    - stigie
      
      No, you didn’t get it wrong Nasska, just something that our generation does but this new generation could get offended by something a lot less ole chap..?
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gee I’m confused Go Vege…
    
    earlier today you reckoned I should just relax after having yet another load of personal nasty abuse from an anonymous male on this blog.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/general_debate_1_october_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2040935
    I thought you were in agreement that I should put up with the crap…
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fwiw, Griff by doxing you and highlighting his abuse is arguably breaching the Harmful Digital Communications Act.
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0063/latest/whole.html#DLM5711849
      You should complain to DPF as he is deliberately trying to damage your reputation.
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have previously pointed out to DPF that I believe Griff/Gruffydd’s behaviour is harassment..
        but I’m not the internet expert.
        
        I’m over formally complaining, it accomplishes nothing.
        
        Griff follows me on to Pete George’s blog.
        He isn’t allowed to personally abuse me there..
        but here everyone (apart from Go Vege) can see the personal shit that accompanies me practically every time I place a comment on Climate Change “science”.
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Aww, I’m feeling pretty tearful now. Could you provide a victim impact statement?
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nah, don’t give up. He’s well down the slippery slope now.
        Lol.
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Could you provide a victim impact statement?
        
        What makes you think that I am a victim?
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry Maggie, I never read anything on climate change….it’s too depressing.
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:38pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sorry Maggie, I couldn’t find anything abusive on today…could you repeat it?
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        You don’t consider “dear little nutter” to be abuse do you?
        Sounds fairly mild for this blog…
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was referring to his Friday night statement that I am a piece of shit..
        but hey don’t bother your little self… there’s over 3 years of nasty personal abuse to read through.
        Best not to become a party to it.
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:45pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Here lovey.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1dBg__wsuo
        
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        October 1, 2017 5:54pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I really think you should ask Keeping Stock to give Griff a jolly good telling off.
      
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      October 1, 2017 5:30pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Still waiting on your definition of the differences between extreme Socialism and Communism, Milky. Let’s hear it! Or will you live up to your epithet as Kiwiblogs most vacuous commentator once again?
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:29pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Can you not use a dictionary or Wikipedia?
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:31pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Can you not use a dictionary or Wikipedia?
        Yes I could but you offered to tell us all in your own words how socialism ≠ communism when done correctly. The floor is yours!
        
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        October 1, 2017 6:40pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I can’t actually recall what I said, but I suspect it was irritation at Kiwibloggers’ tendency to conflate socialism and communism as if they were the same thing.
        In New Zealand, we have a moderately successful example of socialism working in those areas where it works best – welfare, health and education. Going further to attempts to build a true communists state (and hardcore communists would say that this has never been achieved) does not seem to be successful at all.
        I hope that is enough to satisfy your query. For a longer explication, I could send you my rate card.
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:08pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        lol wow milky is that it?
        My 13 year old daughter could have provided a better dissertation than that.
        So glad you enlightened us.
        /sarc
        
        BTW mate, ensuring equal outcomes for all social and community participants does not equal socialism, it’s a required part of being in governance. I suppose next you will be telling us the roman aqueducts were socialism personified since they provided water to the hoi polloi.
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:25pm
- GoVege
  
  We’re not “fanatics “, Jack5.
  We’re “racist arseholes”!
  Ask Milky… 🙂
  
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  October 1, 2017 5:16pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hmm. You mean ‘you’…
    Mikey can be perspicacious.
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:52pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      All On Red’s getting all loquacious
      Disclaimer: Not Gobshite!
      
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      October 1, 2017 6:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, I can see Vege scratching her head. Then wandering off to look through the curtains at her neighbours
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=50PbTompgB8
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:58pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        2 pounds of cumberland sausage. Mmmmmm!
        
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        October 1, 2017 8:11pm
Jack5

NZ resident Omar Kamoun, was on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme this morning raising the case for demonstrators in Morocco.

The Arab “spring” is still springing.
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October 1, 2017 3:28pm
Jack5

Egypt won’t be introducing marriage for gays and lesbians any time soon.

Gay activists are being arrested and subjected to anal examinations.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/egypt-hunting-down-gay-people-conducting-anal-exams-says-amnesty-international-20170930-gys07d.html
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October 1, 2017 3:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jack5:
  
  Hopefully the gay activists read Kiwiblog as David Garrett has some reassuring words for them:
  
  I have a theory why New Zealand men make a great song and dance about having a digital prostate exam…it is because having one’s anus penetrated with a finger is intensely pleasurable! Go to any Chinese masseuse who does “happy endings” and you will know this is true.
  …
  Boris: I suggest you visit a Chinese masseuse…at least once in your life! If she doesn’t do things “down there” that you haven’t experienced before, I am a banana…
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:14pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    TMFI!
    Although the scene in the movie Road Trip is amusing.
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:08pm
- GoVege
  
  No wonder their country is poor with such idiots running the show.
  
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  October 1, 2017 4:47pm
cha

NASA became operational on 1/10/1958 and Mercury astronauts Cooper, Schirra , Shepard, Grissom, Glenn, Slayton, and Carpenter were announced on 9/4/1959.
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October 1, 2017 4:11pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Let me know when Skynet becomes operational
  
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  October 1, 2017 5:39pm
  - cha
    
    Patience, grasshopper…..
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-may-not-be-skynet-but-it-is-getting-smarter-and-thats-bad-for-google-2010-4?r=US&IR=T
    
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    October 1, 2017 5:57pm
Manolo

Prediction time:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/opinion/democrats-2018-midterm-election.html
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October 1, 2017 5:56pm
Happychappy

What will Linda Stuart do if National do remain the Goverment. How can the President of the Teachers Union remain in the job with her outbursts about National Standards and the Government give any parent faith in this person being able to negotiate with anyone let alone the Government.
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October 1, 2017 6:43pm
- dad4justice
  
  Get used to it your beloved National are going to form a government with the greens.
  
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  October 1, 2017 6:50pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    uh oh….
    
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    October 1, 2017 6:56pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Does the Green Party have any policy on family law, D4J?
    
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    October 1, 2017 7:01pm
    - nasska
      
      From what I’ve read of their policies they seem to think that nuclear families are redundant Mike.
      
      After real men are abolished they won’t need any of that “family law”.
      
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      October 1, 2017 7:16pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Roll on robotic women and fake wombs.
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:33pm
      - Viking2
        
        Perhaps they use this method naaska.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-U2cp0jFP0
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:37pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Jesus Viking warn us of the title before you do that. My SWMBO is looking at me weirdly now
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:45pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Yes milkey the greens believe the feminazi version of family law, that is destroy dad no matter what the cost just look at the male suicide rate.
      
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      October 1, 2017 7:20pm
      - stigie
        
        It’s good to see Dad back, time just flys by. It was only a couple of months ago that Dad was placed in the naughty corner !~
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:33pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Grow up stigfly
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:48pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, I didn’t realise that. Doesn’t sound like it would be too popular. Could you reference the specific polcies please?
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:51pm
      - GoVege
        
        There is an iota of truth in that, dad.
        Get rid of “no fault” divorce.
        What’s the point of getting married if you don’t have to stick to your vows?
        
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        October 1, 2017 10:54pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I see your happy and being positive again D4J, I hope you have had a good day.?
    
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    October 1, 2017 7:06pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      FFS dont ask him about the rugby
      
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      October 1, 2017 7:34pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Are you the full tin ABS or just another deranged newbie kiwiblog troll?
        
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        October 1, 2017 7:50pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I am BB. Haven’t you guessed?
        PS I miss your emails. Please send more
        
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        October 1, 2017 8:08pm
      - stigie
        
        Do you really want emails with pictures ABS..?
        
        http://dealbyethan.com/mens-fashion-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/California-Muscle.jpg
        
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        October 1, 2017 8:16pm
Happychappy

Gabby must be around down ticks have started. Has anyone else got the problem of not being able to use the tick system on their mobile phone.
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October 1, 2017 7:19pm
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Grain Brain

Renowned neurologist David Perlmutter, MD, blows the lid off a topic that’s been buried in medical literature for far too long: carbs are destroying your brain. And not just unhealthy carbs, but even healthy ones like whole grains can cause dementia, ADHD, anxiety, chronic headaches, depression, and much more. Dr. Perlmutter explains what happens when the brain encounters common ingredients in your daily bread and fruit bowls, why your brain thrives on fat and cholesterol, and how you can spur the growth of new brain cells at any age. He offers an in-depth look at how we can take control of our “smart genes” through specific dietary choices and lifestyle habits, demonstrating how to remedy our most feared maladies without drugs.

https://www.drperlmutter.com/about/grain-brain-by-david-perlmutter/

Carbs Kill

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Many cancer patients have reportedly overcome the disease by adopting a ketogenic diet, which calls for eliminating carbohydrates, replacing them with healthy fats and protein

Animal studies have shown that mice fed a carb-free diet survived highly aggressive metastatic cancer even better than those treated with chemotherapy

Your normal cells have the metabolic flexibility to adapt from using glucose to using ketone bodies. Cancer cells lack this metabolic flexibility, so when you eliminate carbs, which turn into sugar, you effectively starve the cancer

Eating fat is NOT bad for your heart. Particularly beneficial fats include coconut oil, butter, organic pastured eggs, avocado and raw nuts. Most people need as much as 50-70 percent healthful fat in their diet to optimize health

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/10/ketogenic-diet.aspx
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October 1, 2017 7:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Since the 1960s, when experts started advising people to eat less fat—based on the belief that a high-fat diet led to a high-fat body—obesity has skyrocketed. Recent evidence suggests that all those years of focusing on ways to get fat out of foods has actually contributed to the obesity epidemic.
  
  “Despite eating less fat, we are fatter than ever before,” said David Ludwig, professor of nutrition at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, in the January 2016 issue of Boston magazine.
  
  Over the past 20 years, Ludwig has conducted research aimed at teasing out what low-fat diets do to our bodies. He’s found that low-fat foods brought to market over the past 40 years—high in refined carbohydrates aimed at making the foods more palatable—actually raise our insulin levels, trigger our fat cells to hoard calories, slow our metabolism, and make us hungrier.
  
  https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/have-low-fat-diets-made-us-fatter/
  
  You get way less hungry when you cut your carbs back. The difference is amazing both physically and mentally.
  
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  October 1, 2017 7:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Extraordinary how folks have been led up the garden-path about fat and cholesterol.
  
  Where the dickens are men going to get their testosterone from?
  
  Where are females going to get their estrogen from?
  
  http://ehonami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2012/04/cutler.jpg
  
  What on earth do they teach nowadays?
  
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  October 1, 2017 7:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    I ashamed to say I used to be in the high carb – low fat school.
    
    Low carb – high fat is life changing and the results match the science. Unlike the plant based diet scam.
    
    Moderate amounts of fatty meat and as much salads and no carb veges as you like, will change your life. The difference can not be overstated.
    
    Many diabetics find they can cut back, and often eliminate, their medication.
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:03pm
- nasska
  
  Caroline and Georgina Evers-Swindell were right! We wouldn’t have a nation full of metro-sexual girlie-men voting Labour/Green if their mothers had laid off the lentil sandwiches with avocado in the school lunch box!
  
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  October 1, 2017 7:54pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Mmmmm Swindell twins. Better than the Ingham twins any day
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:06pm
realityczech

6 Graphs That Show Why The “War” on Fat Was a Huge Mistake

There is no credible scientific link between consumption of fat and obesity, or heart disease. There is such a link with the consumption of plant based carbs [sugar].

All carbs are sugar. Even your heritage whole grain 100% organic GMO free hippy bread.
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October 1, 2017 7:57pm
- nasska
  
  The biggest load of crap was to do with cholesterol. The body manufactures what it considers we need regardless of the content of what we eat.
  
  Choke on your mung bean salad wankers! 🙂
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes it was fake science. Doctors are coming out and admitting there was never any evidence. It is changing but slowly, after years of fake science being rammed down our throats.
    
    Remember the ignorant hysteria about eggs ?
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:06pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Remember the ignorant hysteria about eggs ?”….
      
      Yep. More than three eggs a week & you qualified for a free measure & quote from your local undertaker.
      
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      October 1, 2017 8:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        It was certain death they told us. This we were told was the “scientific consensus”. Trouble is there is no science proving it and there never was.
        
        Millions have died and billions have been made sick due to this fake science about fats and carbs. It is no joke.
        
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        October 1, 2017 8:14pm
    - GoVege
      
      Eggs are no good because they have to kill the little boy chicks.
      Same for baby boy calves.
      Surely you fellas can identify with THAT?
      
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      October 1, 2017 10:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    Famous last words, huh nasska?
    When you gorge on food your body isn’t designed to cope with, you WILL get diseases.
    
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    October 1, 2017 10:45pm
realityczech

UK’s National Obesity Forum slams ‘disastrous’ low-fat diet advice

A year ago, the United States made its biggest shift in policy since the start of its national dietary guidelines by dropping the warning about cholesterol. As it turns out, the scientific underpinning for the advice to reduce dietary cholesterol intake was lacking, and so the policymakers just dropped it. Numerous studies plus a growing number of academics have also suggested that diets low in carbohydrates and high in fat are more effective at controlling weight and may even be healthier for the heart.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/23/11743014/uk-dietary-guidelines-national-obesity-forum-public-health-england

Health professionals promoting low fat – high carb diets need to be criminally charged.
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October 1, 2017 8:11pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  What about the soy diet RC? Men growing breasts and lowered sexual desire, the whole food chain interrupted by estrogen overdose. Explains Clarke Gayfords need for activated almond milk.
  
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  October 1, 2017 8:16pm
  - nasska
    
    B or C cup you reckon Ballsack? 🙂
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:19pm
    - realityczech
      
      Orthodox rabbi declares ban on soy as it ‘makes students gay’
      
      AN ultra-orthodox Jewish sect has banned its children from eating soy out of fears it will "make them gay". So just what must you skip to avoid becoming part of the rainbow set?
      In the Hebrew religious news website BaOlam Shel Haredim the Israel-based Gur Hasidic sect rabbi Abraham Benjamin Silberberg yesterday declared eating soy-based products would lead to “gay sexual activity” and that even a once-a-week dose would “cause unwanted arousal”.
      That’s apparently because it contains female hormone estrogen (in minute quantities).
      He also expressed concerns soy-based products would cause girls to sexually mature faster.
      As a result of these fears, the sect has now banned the consumption of all soy and soy-based products.
      
      http://www.news.com.au/world/orthodox-rabbi-declares-ban-on-soy-as-it-makes-students-gay/news-story/203b7e34a80dad793f30ee43e444246f
      
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      October 1, 2017 8:25pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I am still waiting on seeing the rug nasska. For research purposes.
      
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      October 1, 2017 8:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes indeed. Many medical professionals say soy products are toxic and should be banned. It is incredibly bad for you.
    
    Asian cultures have eaten soy for years and remained healthy. The difference is they ate fermented soy.
    
    Next time you are shopping read the ingredient label of Almond and Soy milks. I have some in my fridge I purchased for a vegan. Disgusting stuff full of fillers, sugar and crap.
    
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    October 1, 2017 8:23pm
niggly

Forkin’ hull – Fairfax’s Tracy Watkins (of “I weally, weally wanna be Jacinda’s no 1 press secretary” fame throughout the lead-up to the election) has written yet another kooky bizarre “lets interview my typewriter” type ~~article~~ fantasy.

Proving that the MSM are restless and fermenting any excuse to poke Winston and National until next weekend when the special votes are counted, Tracy Watkins has come up with this:

“OPINION: What if National was so desperate to stay in power it offered the Greens’ James Shaw the ultimate job, finance minister and deputy prime minister?

Those are two jobs Shaw would never get in a Labour, NZ First, Greens coalition.

It’s far fetched – but there is gossip about it following Wednesday’s bizarre Winston Peters press conference, where the NZ First leader made it clear who is calling the shots.” Etc etc …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/97432954/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place-welcome-to-politics

Bwahaha this takes the cake …. Tracy’s self-invented “gossip” about a fraudster loving loser like James Shaw being given … the finance and deputy PM role!!!

Geez if that’s bad enough, I wonder what crap will the MSM write tomorrow, then Tuesday, then Wednesday …. i.e. each day until the special votes results are known on Saturday??? 🙁
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October 1, 2017 8:40pm
- Brigitte
  
  Ooh is it a contest. How about Bill makes Winnie Minister of Mine Re-entry, Shaw the Minister to seal the mine, and Paula in charge of the timetable….
  
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  October 1, 2017 9:24pm
Manolo

Her days seem to be numbered:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/theresa-may-survival-sajid-javid-tories-knives
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October 1, 2017 9:37pm
Manolo

Another lone wolf:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4587920/marseille-train-station-attack-dead-stabbing-army-two-dead-latest-updates/
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