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Nurse for Hugh please..bring straight jacket.

Lundys guilty ( of bad acting anyway )
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October 19, 2017 8:01am
- Notsofast
  
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  Get out your cheque books, the most expensive cameo in New Zealand history. I see a 4 handle on it. Except the despicable Amy Adams will try to fudge it. Today the annihilation of the crown case will be wrapped up with proof he was in Petone with the big marque safely parked.
  You bloody fools in Palmerston North.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:27am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Palmerston North had nothing to do with it. The problem was a cop who wouldn’t accept established science and went and found a quack – who incidentally looks like he’s done a runner. This will be a very important judgement and decision, from what I’ve been able to see the Court have absorbed the detail and appear unforgiving of all the short cuts and hidden evidence the Crown have got away with to this point. But we shall see. In the event of the appeal not succeeding the case will go further judging by the strengths and importance of the arguments.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:09am
- Notsofast
  
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  Hugh has Heart and Brains.
  Good combo. Rare around here.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:23am
cmm

If the MSM goes into apoplexy every time someone calls the little comrade a chicky-babe it could be a long three years.
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October 19, 2017 8:05am
- CHFR1
  
  They almost seem to be acting as a Praetorian Guard, does this mean they know how fragile she is and feel the need to cover for her??
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:37am
  - billmurray
    
    Chick-babe has called her man- babe down to Wellington to-day.
    Man-babe has complied.
    What does it all mean?.
    This better than Television drama.
    God defend New Zealand.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:12am
    - cmm
      
      Which suitcase did he have with him?
      
      (A) The one with a bottle of champagne, roses and party clothes?
      
      (B) Red wine, chocolates, cuddly toys and Jacinda’s old comfortable pajamas?
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:33am
oldpark

Expect Winston Peters mentor .Sir Robert Muldoon to play a huge part in who will be NZs next PM.
Can just hear Muldoon chuckling from the grave and saying to Winston. I know you will say to “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern “NZ is not ready for a Communist Government”.
“Now it hurts to know the truth Comrade Ardern”. “Better run girl, hurry home to your mama”. Heh!Heh! Heh!.
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October 19, 2017 8:08am
- VicParking
  
  I can hear the Ghidorah’s wings flapping from here.
  The Red flag will be raised and the Internationale will be sung long into the night.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:21am
Monique Watson

Heard all that’s left to do is for Winston to consult the Tarot cards to tell him which way to go. Hope they tell him to go to hell for the ridiculous charade he’s put up over the preceding weeks.
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October 19, 2017 8:09am
tas

Today is supposed to be the day Winston decides.

Time for everyone to post their predictions.

I think it’s close to 50-50, but I’d say left. I think Winston wants to usher in a new government for a change.
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October 19, 2017 8:10am
- brett68
  
  Left
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:11am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Right, but I fancy I’ll end up wishing he’d gone left.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:29am
    - PhilBest
      
      I think it is almost a certainty that whichever side he goes with, the supporters of that side will end up regretting it.
      
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      October 19, 2017 8:51am
- hullkiwi
  
  Gas,
  It maybe 50:50, but I’m a case of for the interest of NZ he should go National, but for the interests of National he better go Labour!
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:14am
- Poppa
  
  I believe he will sit on the cross benches allowing National to Govern
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:16am
  - Colville
    
    No glory or baubles in sitting on the cross benches so it wont happen.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:29am
    - Paulus
      
      But Shane Jones and the other little bald fella want to still be MPs after the next election.
      Nobody else would employ them.
      
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      October 19, 2017 10:41am
- cmm
  
  Meh.
  
  It doesn’t really matter either way.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:18am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Indeed
    
    He will go with one of the parties that supports:
    – Mass immigration
    – Maorification
    – Health and Safety
    – Political Correctness
    – picking winners
    – never ending treaty settlements
    – A 2 tier legal system
    – constant inflation of housing costs (to keep voters happy)
    – WFF
    – National Standards and the dumbing down of education.
    – Susan Devoy
    
    That party will be called Labour or National who are basically 2 cheeks of the same ass.
    
    I don’t understand why people get so excited.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:16am
- kowtow
  
  Left , with massive spending on legacy projects, disguised as dealing with “inequality”.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:27am
- RalphT
  
  Left. Which will be bad for us all, including NZF which will disappear when Winnie fades away, hopefully at the next election.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:30am
- Elaycee
  
  My preference is for Bill English to announce at 1pm today that National has withdrawn from coalition discussions with the venal narcissist and that the left are welcome to try and work with him for the next term (however long that may be).
  
  I’ve had a gutsful of this country being played along by an outfit rejected by ~92% of the electorate.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:38am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Toughen up. MMP rules could have been changed to prevent these delays or put some structure in place when there were no clear winners bar a coalition. Both Labour and National sat on their hands on this, no doubt for their own reasons. The idea that 8% of voters are having some control is no more than a mechanism of MMP, eventually a majority will emerge in some form of coalition.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:03am
  - tas
    
    If he wanted to do that, he should have said so before the election. That way people would know what they’re voting for with NZF.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:40am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Right.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:38am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  apparently Betfair swung rapidly from National (for last few weeks) towards Labour last night. Could be indicitive of insiders cashing in on their fore-warning.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:43am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  I thought left until 2 days ago – but foremostly it has never looked clear one way or the other. Winnie has hung his hat on a couple of points shared with Labour but who knows if that is enough. I bet it has been a good strong fight behind the closed doors from all parties.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:12am
- Soffet
  
  He has bent the knee to Queen Smiley.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:17am
- Mobile Michael
  
  I’m saying Labour, so NZ1 can get Ron Mark and Shane Jones into high profile Ministerial roles in anticipation of Winston retiring from Parliament at the end of next year (for health reasons – he sounds very unwell when talking to the media.) He’ll want them in roles which are not overly controversial but have good news all the time – so Economic Development and Transport are likely. Winston can’t take Foreign Affairs as overseas travel is too arduous for him now.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    For Winston it has been the hardest time he has ever done a full days work in his life.
    He looks his age and appears to be stuffed – imagine him having to actually work as a member of his coalition.
    
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    October 19, 2017 10:43am
hullkiwi

Cmm,
And you are just being polite. With her toothy grin she is a cartoonist’s wet dream.
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October 19, 2017 8:10am
- cmm
  
  Wet dream if you must. Personally, she gives me the shriveling effect.
  
  To each their own.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:25am
  - PhilBest
    
    I am much more relaxed after 9 years of gut-clenching at Aunty Helen’s dominance of the national political stage. Jacinda isn’t comparable.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:56am
    - hullkiwi
      
      True, but for the duration of the coalition of the losers, NZ will suffer with the drunken gnome, the incompetent Robo,
      and the fool Twyford being near the levers of power. The thought of that is truly frightening.
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:19am
      - PhilBest
        
        I actually have some respect for Twyford, in total contrast to most of the Labour team. I know he accepts where the free market is the right solution versus statism, in some policy areas; in this he is ahead of Nick Smith et al. I have nothing but contempt for Nick Smith et al after 9 years. Twyford will at least admit privately that the Clark administration got it wrong on housing and urban planning – but National had 9 years to address this (and had promised to do so, as recently as 2007). Ironically, Twyford would pretty much agree with Don Brash on the needed solutions, but Smith et al can’t virtue-signal hard enough about how much distance they have put between themselves and Brash.
        
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        October 19, 2017 7:06pm
    - cmm
      
      She’s got the whole Helen Snear down pretty well though…
      
      http://apnonline.brightcove.com.edgesuite.net/pd/1308227299001/201710/961/1308227299001_5610226697001_5609982935001-vs.jpg?pubId=1308227299001&videoId=5609982935001
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:26am
    - tf78
      
      Won’t Helen be pulling Jacinda’s strings.
      
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      October 19, 2017 11:12am
Tarquin North

Can someone wake me up when Winston has finally made a decision – I can’t take any more drivel disguised as analysis and being held to ransom by a pensioner is getting very boring.
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October 19, 2017 8:11am
Rodney Randall

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96965591/plane-hijacker-could-get-25000-compensation-if-victims-dont-claim-it

DEPORT.
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October 19, 2017 8:11am
- cmm
  
  She has said she wants to go back to Somalia.
  
  Who are we to stop her? If there’s a givealittle she’d have her flight home by lunchtime.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:20am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Was at a conference recently with ‘migrant’ Somalian panel because diversity/feels/virtue signalling PC garbage. All women dressed in traditional garb (orange rags)
    
    All pined for mother homeland and describes how wonderful Somalia was compared with NZ. Life was so difficult now here in NZ. Missing Al Shabaab??
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:30am
    - cmm
      
      Did anyone offer to help them pack?
      
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      October 19, 2017 11:57am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Is this animal :Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari still roaming the streets Woodhouse?
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Won’t matter after today there will be all new Ministers to make some decisions.
    KimDot hopes !
    
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    October 19, 2017 10:45am
Dave Mann

BREAKING NEWS:

The NZ Asphyxia Foundation advises that people are hoping Winston Peters might make an announcement about something maybe this afternoon. Winston Peters yesterday indicated that today is the day, but given his history of telling outright lies and as nobody knows who is on the NZF ~~bored~~ board, its anybody’s guess at this stage.

The NZ Asphyxia Foundation is advising voters not to hold their breath.
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October 19, 2017 8:11am
Paulus

Winston is a demented venal old man !
And a disgrace to our country.
But we get the Government we deserve.
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October 19, 2017 8:11am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well Paulus this is the will of the people we are talking about.
  
  The will of the people as expressed through MMP, the electoral system we voted (twice) to retain.
  
  Unless of course, differing electoral systems twist the way the will of the people is expressed.
  
  Under FPP, the plurality of the electorate’s views prevail. Which over time seems to favour the prevailing views of the centre right of the political spectrum.
  
  Under PR, but MMP specifically, a tiny minority of the electorate’s views can often prevail over the plurality’s views.
  
  In 2017, 7.5% of the electorate’s views will set the whole economic and social direction for our nation for the next 3 years (maybe less).
  
  In 2014, 0.22% (UF) and 1.32% (MP) were able to more or less neutralise the wishes of the 47% of the population who voted for important reforms like on the RMA etc.
  
  Why on earth do we have a system that structurally favours the more left-leaning elements of society over the right-leaning?
  
  Isn’t this a perfect example of the old saw that:
  
  “In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. However, in practice there is a world of difference between them.”
  
  In theory PR represents the will of the people best!
  
  In practice? Well let’s find out later today just how huge the chasm is between theory and practice!
  
  I think it is going to be a chasm of Grand Canyon proportions.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:38am
Ross12

Did I hear it right –Peters is going to make the grand announcement this afternoon about who the Government will be (after making a quick phone to the leader of the major party who will be involved in the Government a few minutes before)?

That has to be the height of arrogance.

I think Peters will have his legacy, as I think both sides will see the grand standing for what it is. The legacy will not be that great.
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October 19, 2017 8:15am
- fernglas
  
  Shouldn’t it be the leader of the party with which he goes into coalition who makes the announcement? After all, that person will be the PM, we assume. Peters’ arrogance does not bode well.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:18am
  - Ross12
    
    That’s exactly my point fernglas.
    I think even the Labour/Green supporters would agree with that and will see Peter’s grandstanding for what it is.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:22am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes absolutely right. Any announcement should be made by the person who is going to be the PM. The sheer arrogance of the man astounds me.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:23am
    - holysheet
      
      This is what you get when you have 2 weak leaders who have allowed the drunken dwarf to get away with it.
      
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      October 19, 2017 8:28am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Although he has not yet made his announcement, he has achieved something over the past weeks – he has single-handedly put three quarters of the population of people off politics for good. Quite a legacy.
      
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      October 19, 2017 8:32am
      - niggly
        
        I was just thinking that too, NZF have managed to alienate National supporters, Labour supporters and presumably alot of NZF’s own supporters (especially conservative voters who switched votes to NZF in order to moderate National).
        
        Green supporters of course were likely mostly alienated anyway (as their historical dislike for NZF is probably as much as their historical dislike for National and ACT). Which leaves James Shaw looking pathetic yet again (after the MeTu saga) as he desperately tried to suck up to Winston but for no avail, and now he looks truly desperate pinning his hopes on his old friend Jacinda, who leads a different party ffs. This election has exposed Shaw’s shortcomings and a balanced MSM would be discussing this if we actually had one.
        
        Having said that I still reckon a National and NZF govt can be successful and that a 5th term govt could be possible – unlike the 1996 Nat/NZF coalition in which National was already massively unpopular at both the 1993 and 1996 elections, this current National govt has maintained its popularity since 2008, including this election, so the next one could be the same.
        
        Labour is still inexperienced, their new List MP’s are mostly identity politics apparatchiks who believe in telling the people how to run their lives – it’s almost as if Labour in 2017 have reinvented themselves as the Helen Clark Labour party of yesteryear and looked how that turned out!
        
        The Greens are pretty much broken and are back to being a single-digit party again and public mistrust of them, enforced by their new identity politics SJW MP’s will just make that re-connection with middle NZ even harder!
        
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        October 19, 2017 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    At the end of the day the other children also need to decide to play.
    
    This is just Winston really showing off his narcissism.
    
    I wonder whether Winston expects a deal making NZ a republic and him the President For Life.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:23am
    - rangitoto
      
      Winnie is a royalist and privy counselor. I don’t see him wanting a republic.
      
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      October 19, 2017 11:26am
      - cmm
        
        You really think Winston would not give up the privy counsel for being President?
        
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        October 19, 2017 11:59am
      - Paulus
        
        Of course Winston is a Royalist – his Tribe signed the Treaty of Waitangi which would be nullified in a Republic.
        Gravy Train would stop with a bang.
        
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        October 19, 2017 1:08pm
      - cmm
        
        Paulus: Surely Winnie is a one-man tribe. All he cares about is himself.
        
        If he can scoop more koha then he won’t care about anyone else.
        
        Let’s face it Winnie makes Tuku’s underpants mission look amateurish.
        
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        October 19, 2017 2:34pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    fernglas – why should it be the junior (ie the larger party) partner who makes the announcement. MMP creates this dynamic, where is it written that it should be otherwise. What we are seeing is a product of that system, we’ve seen this nonsense before under MMP.
    
    It’s what we voted (twice) to retain.
    
    The dynamics that led to this situation are as unavoidable (under MMP) as gravity.
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:51am
    - Paulus
      
      Think of all those Labour Green NZF MPs wetting themselves as to when they will be called as Ministers – will there be enough BMW’s to go round.
      Will Cinderella or Winston have the largest car with the PM’s DC1 number plate.
      
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      October 19, 2017 10:49am
- VicParking
  
  The protcol would be for him to advise the Leader of what ever party he chooses and they will then go to see the GG. The announcement should come from the leader of that party not Winston.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  MMP really is the tail that wags the dog.
  
  We’ve had it with the Maoris and National , only they were a bit more discrete about it.
  
  Remember National really did betray its principles over the attack on private property rights and tobacco . That was a biggy , but as everyone has been conditioned to hate tobacco we all just go along with it.
  
  Very dangerous precedent from Ngati Notional.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:32am
  - PhilBest
    
    Forlorn hope I hold: if Winston goes with National, one of the conditions is that all the graft and extortion handed to the Iwi racket, gets repealed. Especially the RMA “reform” provisions that make Iwi another layer of ticket-clippers and gougers on everything anyone in the real economy wants to do, on top of the Councils, DoC, etc etc
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      You know what happens to the forlorn hope , the same thing would happen to anyone trying to stop the Iwi gravy train.
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:06am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  This is all perfectly allowable under MMP.
  
  When a favourite uncle dies of lung cancer (the symptom) do you hate the cancer or should your concern be about smoking (ie the cause).
  
  Similarly, are we upset at a thing that is perfectly normal under MMP (ie the tail wagging the dog) or should we be angry at the stupid system that caused the problem.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    These days you don’t worry about the cause or the symptoms. Instead you go with the feelz.
    
    Just pretend the favourite uncle isn’t dead and play Weekend at Bernies with him.
    
    That’s what Labour/Jacinda are doing. They’re ignoring that their commie ideology has been dead since the wall came down in 1989. They are still pretending it is alive.
    
    It takes effort to ignore the stink for almost 30 years.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:31am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      🙂 TY cmm. That is my nomination for comment of the day.
      
      By far the best analogy for this particular election result – Weekend at Bernie’s!
      
      I’m still smiling as I type.
      
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      October 19, 2017 3:15pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You’d think that if a partnership agreement has been struck the leaders would announce together?
  Show of unity, handshakes all round and all that?
  
  Having avoided the non-news since the election, I think it will be another few days before I venture to watch/read the news again.
  
  I like to avoid the predictions of past PMs, astrologers, lip readers and body language experts.
  
  Maybe by then our illustrious media will have dispensed with the opinions from everyone who is anybody and lots of people who think they are.
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:30pm
KevOB

2PM grandstand time. What a motley lot on offer. The old fella himself having trouble keeping the kittens in the litter box. Watch the play fighting between Mark and Jones–hear Martin screeching from the side. Cabinet quality? How long before the time dated one falls over. Is that the basis of any government?

It has become increasingly obvious since the election how irrational the “policies” of the old fella are–mildly senile?

The old fellas’s party should be rejected by its suitors as unfit. The others can form a government for a term and perhaps even help coach some of the inexperienced.

Time for a clean out. If we need a fresh election so be it. The Greens’ don’t want to be there, Maori have gone, other dropped out and now NZF is dying on its feet. We need stability.
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October 19, 2017 8:16am
- VicParking
  
  What better stability ad a tooth fairy, a half man and a drunk.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    A real tui ad there!
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:57am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Sounds like the beginning of a very bad joke.
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:53am
      - holysheet
        
        Winston was once asked about his attitude toward whisky. “If you mean the demon drink that poisons the mind, pollutes the body, desecrates family life, and inflames sinners, then I’m against it. But if you mean the elixir of a New Year toast, the shield against winter chill, the taxable potion that puts needed funds into public coffers to comfort little crippled children, then I’m for it. This is my position, and I will not compromise.”
        
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        October 19, 2017 1:27pm
oldpark

Being reading in one of the Lie-bour/Green Party cabal newspaper outlets. A clown called mr small talks about a Legacyfor Mr Peters,will be anointing Liebour/Green Mafias to plunder NZ by selecting them to sit on NZs treasury benches.
Only “Legacy” our street wise Mr Peters will get and be remembered for here and now and for generations to come . Will be the day he handed the running of NZ to the start of the Socialist Republic of South Pacific,and probably in the image of Venezuela and Cuba. Much admired by Comrade Ardern. Not also forgetting the terrorist Che Guevara.
The Legacy Mr Peters will be known for and remembered by will be “The Unforgiven”.
October 19 every year will be called the “UNFORGIVEN” special day in honour of Winston Peters . O f
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October 19, 2017 8:26am
- VicParking
  
  Red radio is talking about legacy as well. “Labour is the only way he will get one as with National he will be a buried”
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:30am
  - niggly
    
    The MSM are inventing the news again, just like when they predicted Labour would romp home during the election (let alone the MSM getting it wrong with Brexit and the US elections etc).
    
    I cannot see NZF getting a “legacy” with Labour and Greens. Labour/Greens will tax and spend and kill off export income, and the economy and jobs will suffer. How can the MSM believe that’s a “legacy”? The Greens somehow think NZ will be some sort of Green technology exporting utopia – these guys are truly nuts – we are a small economy plus they want to pull out of FTA’s therefore closing other countries doors to NZ exports!
    
    A better “legacy” for NZF, which also lines up with their policies and ethos, would be to partner with National who have proved they can run a fairly successful economy in a global context (and that of uncertainty), whilst moderating the “excesses” of 30 years of “neo-liberal” economic policy (eg whereby the regions suffer and people are treated like figures in a spresdsheet). After all these are things that NZF talks about!
    
    If NZF (and National) can continue to grow and diversify the NZ economy and gain more access to international markets, but whilst also providing greater opportunities for Kiwi workers and the regions where jobs are scarce, develop infrastructure, restore degraded environments and to grow business opportunities, upskill more NZer’s by supporting those at the margins to improve themselves (and reduce the “feral” class) then that would be a good legacy for the likes of Winston (and NZF and National), as that will be felt and remembered for another 30 years!
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:19am
  - marcw
    
    I disagree VP, the only way he will get a legacy is if he stays on cross-benches and acts responsibly on each matter as legislation is debated. Sure, give him some responsible authority in Cabinet, and some concessions to his ‘bottom lines’ (maybe Maori electorate referendum). Maybe even Office in charge of mine re-entry. If he is National or Labour coalition, there will only be disaster and ridicule in his eulogy.
    
    Also, if he goes Labour, goodbye to any chance of a Knighthood. Even Ardern is not that hypocritical.
    
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    October 19, 2017 10:19am
- Digmen1
  
  Funny he never called it before the announcement.
  
  They are all useless.
  
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  October 20, 2017 3:31am
Digmen1

I really hope its National.

But why the NZF take two days in their board/caucus to decide.

So sadly I think it might be the Left Gaggle.

If so that would be a travesty of natural justice.
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October 19, 2017 8:30am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Digimen1
  
  It would be a perfectly acceptable and not unexpected result under the electoral system our nation (twice) voted to retain.
  
  The nation rejected the notion that a plurality (ie only 44.4%) should override the majority’s views.
  
  I think that was a massive mistake. Personally, I think we got conned into a system that favours socialism and we’re in trouble until we rid ourselves of this monkey.
  
  However, given the several national rejections of concept of plurality rule I don’t see any basis for your ‘natural justice’ comment.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:57am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Lol – just sadface downtickers?
    
    So, like socialists you just “feel” that it is an unjust outcome – but you can’t give me any reasons to refute why what I say?
    
    What a perfect metaphor for why National is in trouble.
    
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    October 19, 2017 3:18pm
Digmen1

As the party he goes with has to be consulted and agree, I don’t think it will be today, eg what about the Greens and their members.

No leaks till this afternoon ! Come on!
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October 19, 2017 8:31am
- Ross12
  
  If the Greens knew anything about how to get things done they would have consulted their members already –it would only be a formality as they have said no way to National and it is hardly likely they would get 25%+ saying “no” to a form of agreement with Labour/NZF , no matter what Peter’s demanded.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    If the Greens knew anything the media would have received a copy already.
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:11pm
polemic

Breaking Fake News

James Shaw has announced that the Green Party has put principle above ideology and therefore he has stated that they will go into a coalition agreement with the National Party as they have been given an offer that is too good to pass by (read ideology- suddenly has become practical and common sense) and they now accept that they can bring about real climate change action, cleaner rivers and poverty imorovement from being at the cabinet table.
This is rather than becoming the 3rd class lapdog of a dysfunctional mixed up coalition run a very experienced elder statesman who is actually the PM – who runs the show alongside of Jacinda who has to carry the public mantra of the PM but is actually the plaything of Winstons complete whim and fancy.

You read it here first on Kiwiblog …
This is not syndicated from Breitbart.
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October 19, 2017 8:38am
- PhilBest
  
  And Breibart isn’t fake news anyway; that would be CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, etc etc.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:44am
  - VicParking
    
    Etc etc = Hearld, Stuff, RNZ
    
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    October 19, 2017 8:53am
  - polemic
    
    Agree Phil, that’s why I added it’s not syndicated from Breitbart!!
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:08pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Aha, I get what you meant now!
      
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      October 19, 2017 7:08pm
- Dead Earnest
  
  Actually Polemic. It could very well happen. You heard it here and I am Dead Earnest
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:28am
  - polemic
    
    I suppose you might be a dead earnest tree hugger but you put your money where your whimsical green dreams are and show me where or who in your snail, whale and dope head party has every showed economic reason ahead of daisy chains at least in NZ anyway.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:44am
Michael

Two o’clock rock.
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October 19, 2017 8:39am
- kowtow
  
  Requiem for democracy.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:08am
- Rich Prick
  
  Sorry, I’ll be doing the afternoon quiz.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:09am
Keeping Stock

Winston Peters told Barry Soper yesterday that the decision as to who NZF will govern with was not made by a “secret society”. Yet he continues to refuse to name the members of the NZF Board which has rubber-stamped the decision he has made.

Hypocrisy much?
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October 19, 2017 8:43am
- alex Masterley
  
  Agreed.
  Mr Peters grand standing is sickening.
  The arrogance of the man not to tell either Mr English or Ms Ardern the “outcome” until just before he steps to the microphone is breathtaking. This comment applies to what ever the outcome is.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:48am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Personally Alex, I think whoever is NOT annointed by Peters today will not so much have dodged a bullet as a thermonuclear missile.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:15am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Personally Alex, I think whoever is NOT annointed by Peters today will not so much have dodged a bullet as a thermonuclear missile
      
      Rather inclined to agree Keeping Stock.
      Other than the smug look on Ardern & Robertsons faces, I can live with Winston going with Labour.
      I just can’t see Winston working with the greens.
      I bet Shaw is feeling like a prick at the moment.
      
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      October 19, 2017 10:05am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Indeed. The irony of the Greens agreeing to share power with someone they have previously described as a racist would be too rich for words.
        
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        October 19, 2017 10:32am
- RalphT
  
  But why should he reveal the names of the Board? It’s not as though they are making the final decision; that was always going to be made by Winston.
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:51am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Why? Because of this:
    
    “We’re going to finish off the work we’re currently engaged in ensuring we’ve got all the facts we possibly will need. We will spend some considerable time going through all that as a caucus, we will be talking to the board of NZ First as well, because they are part of this democracy it’s not a covert and secret society. It’s a party that democratically makes decisions and always has.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98031249/winston-peters-decides-national-labour-may-learn-fate-at-same-time-as-the-public
    
    If Peters is not prepared to front up as to who the members of the NZF Board are, whether or not they are effectively a part of his decision, then they are indeed a “covert and secret society”.
    
    I suspect however that the NZF Board was divided as to who to go with, so Peters, a party of one to all intents and purposes, has made the decision himself. But his refusal to be transparent about the membership of his board is still rank hypocrisy on his part, not that we should be at all surprised by that.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:28am
    - calendar girl
      
      Well said, KS. And the hypocrisy extends to NZ’s fearless media who must know the identities of the NZF Board, but decline to name them for fear of giving offence to Peters.
      
      Winston Peters is a small and very temporary element of New Zealand’s democracy. That is not the case with our media – for better or for worse the media are a fundamental foundation-stone of any well-functioning democracy.
      
      Why should we now trust our precious poseurs of the media when, collectively, they have closed ranks behind Peters’ decision not to reveal the make-up of his Board which he has stated publicly would make any coalition decision? That collective decision of the media has been the disgrace of the 2017 General Election.
      
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      October 19, 2017 11:12am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Weak Keeping Stock. That’s a ‘gotcha’ question.
  
  Are you still beating your wife? Simple answer yes or no?
  
  Still this is an MMP thing. I can’t see anything anywhere on the statute book that prohibits what’s going on with Winston – so why complain. This is a legal/constitutional process only and anything else like what people’s “feelings” are about the way it’s done is utterly irrelevant.
  
  If you don’t like what’s going on – vote to get rid of MMP if we ever get another chance to. Deal with the causation not the symptoms.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:01am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Fortunately DP, my wife has nothing to do with Winston Peters, and nor, for the record, have I ever beaten her. What about you?
    
    And as far as MMP goes, I voted against it in 1993 and again when the referendum was conducted in 2011. It is a deeply flawed system, and we are currently seeing.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:29am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      KS
      
      It’s a simple gotcha question! You answered it as evasively as Winnie did the ‘secret society’ one.
      
      A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ is all you had to do. What’s so hard about that?
      
      Come on, if you expect Winston to play by the retarded rules of a media whore then surely you shouldn’t have any problems playing by them too?
      
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      October 19, 2017 3:22pm
  - Happychappy
    
    You get what you deserve and making comments blaming MMP for your voting NZ First is nothing more than a pathetic excuse.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:30am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Welcome back Happychappy. I see that you are still not feeling up to intellectual rigours of learning to support your ~~feelings~~ opinions with facts or reasoned arguments.
      
      Still, I’m the real happy chappy, I’ve got exactly the electoral outcome I was voting for and you, well, you didn’t. If venting and projecting your butthurt on me helps your hurt feelings, well I’ve got broad shoulders, fire away. 🙂
      
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      October 19, 2017 3:30pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Have you got your post ready DP with the usual bullshit calling Bill English a loser if Winston picks Labour or have you sorted a new name to call him. I am not venting and you don’t like the fact that someone has called you for what you are, you said on here you were voting NZ First to teach National a lesson so I hope you get the Government you deserve and no doubt we will hear your whinging when things don’t suit you or when you want to call Jacinda some new names.
        
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        October 19, 2017 5:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Why don’t our media , who pretend their primary role is to hold power to account do some investigative journalism , for a change , and find out and report on who these illuminati are .
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:11am
Michael

Lundy guilty for third time.
An inside job.
What burglar would only take a jewellery box, despite Christine Lundy’s bag being open in the kitchen?
What random burglar gets access to the garage, takes one of Mark Lundy’s tools , gets into the house without breaking a window and attacks Christine Lundy while she is asleep, then, observed by a little seven year old girl, kills her as well?
It is an inside job by someone who wanted Christine Lundy dead and didn’t want to be identified by a young girl that knew him.
Could Lundy’s Fairlane have covered 420 km on a tank full of petrol? Easily, even allowing for a bit of fast driving on the final trip back to Palmy and a few k’s around Petone prior to that.
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October 19, 2017 8:52am
- flipper
  
  I prefer not to jump to conclusions one way or the other, but to leave this to the C of A.
  
  But ….. two points:
  1. Was he driving a Fairlane or a Falcon?
  and
  2. Does this whole business, from the time it went to the Law Committee of the PC, reinforce the need for a Criminal Cases Review Commission / Board/Authority – which then takes the matter to the C of A if it believes there is real doubt ?
  
  If the Review body were established on UK lines the cost to the taxpayer would be much reduced, and na greater sense of fairness brought to controversial cases. No?
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:28am
  - fernglas
    
    There has been a lot of discussion about a Criminal Cases Review Commission but it has been stonewalled by successive Justice Ministers, who claim the current process is robust and works well. However, it would not yet avail Lundy, who has not exhausted his appeal rights.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:43am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  You’ve been wrong before Michael despite all your efforts at rewriting history. Not guilty and compo, remember. Your list of facts as usual are mostly hopeful, as always.
  
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  October 19, 2017 3:52pm
RF

I am preparing for bad news and down loading the words to “The Red Flag”.

I will be able to sing this song with gusto when gulag selections are being made.
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October 19, 2017 8:53am
- VicParking
  
  So comrades, come rally, And the last fight let us face. The International Unites the human race.
  So comrades, come rally, And the last fight let us face. The Internationale Unites the human race.
  Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
  Arise, ye wretched of the earth!
  
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  October 19, 2017 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    “Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
    Arise, ye wretched of the earth!”
    
    Arise there’s a special place for you in the gulag.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:12am
    - Paulus
      
      And remember the workers ode –
      The Working Class may kiss my arse –
      I’ve got the Foreman’s job at last “
      
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      October 19, 2017 10:55am
      - VicParking
        
        And remember NZ First’s ode –
        The National brass may kiss my arse
        I’ve got the Tooth Fairies job at last
        
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        October 19, 2017 12:33pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The people’s flag is deepest red
  It shrouded oft our martyred dead
  And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold
  Their hearts’ blood dyed to every fold
  Then raise the scarlet standard high
  Beneath it’s folds we’ll live and die
  Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
  We’ll keep the red flag flying here
  It waved above our infant might
  When all ahead seemed dark as night
  It witnessed many a deed and vow
  We must not change it’s color now
  Then raise the scarlet standard high
  Beneath it’s folds we’ll live and die
  Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
  We’ll keep the red flag flying here
  It well recalls the triumphs past
  It gives the hope of peace at last
  The banner bright the symbol plain
  Of human right and human gain
  Then raise the scarlet standard high
  Beneath it’s folds we’ll live and die
  Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
  We’ll keep the red flag flying here
  It suits today the meek and base
  Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
  To cringe beneath the rich man’s frown
  And haul that sacred emblem down
  Then raise the scarlet standard high
  Beneath it’s folds we’ll live and die
  Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
  We’ll keep the red flag flying here
  With heads uncovered swear we all
  To bare it onward till we fall
  Come dungeons dark or gallows grim
  This song shall be our parting hymn
  Then raise the scarlet standard high
  Beneath it’s folds we’ll live and die
  Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
  We’ll keep the red flag flying here
  Songwriters: Billy B. Bragg
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:38pm
EAD_TWO

Interesting piece over on the White Australia blog about the differences between man and woman and how their brains are wired differently when it comes to 3rd world immigration.

It is a good portrayal of the outwardly beta, pussy-whipped male of today that starts to sense that his society is being destroyed, and is searching for answers, yet does so in fear of how “his woman” will react.

This pathetic and pitiful state of some Western males (where even Duncan Garners mild opinions are claimed to be “extreme”) where he is so pussified that he defers to feminised opinion by default, is the result of generations of MSM brainwashing, education, and legal systems, etc., that have made “Big Sister” the everyday tyrant that we are surrounded by in our our personal relations (or even on a national level – think Susan Devoy)

http://whiteaustralia.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/odd-bedfellows.html?m=0

The moment the fictional man finally snaps and asserts some alpha masculinity at his “refugees welcome” type girlfriend is brilliant!

“I’ll tell you what else is laughable – your complete detachment from reality. You and your sugar-arsed friends living in in a world you think should exist, not the one that does exist, the world that functions according to certain iron clad laws, especially the laws of human nature which you’ll have about as much chance of changing as you would the law of gravity.”
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October 19, 2017 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  They’re going native in the rugby. And there maybe some sort of rain dance too.
  
  ‘Beale will get the chance to literally wear his culture on his sleeve, and he said the statement was bound to have a positive effect on young Indigenous kids watching.’
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-18/lloyd-mcdermott-on-rugbys-indigenous-pride-league-poaching/9062592
  
  Nothing to do with sports and everything to do with divisive identity politics.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:18am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    A measure of how cucked the Aussie Male has become is the faux “outrage” and lack of support for Israel Folau by other high profile men for daring to say that the institute of marriage should remain as it has for millenia.
    
    They’re silent not because they dont agree, but afraid of the faux Twitter outrage from people like Mikenmild and Keeping Stock.
    
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    October 19, 2017 9:22am
    - treadingthemill
      
      The institution of marriage has not been static for millenia, it’s changed in various ways many times. It wasn’t that long ago that arranged marriages, and marrying girls under 16 was common in the Western world. It was also not that long ago that the state had nothing to do with marriage. You did not have to go to the government to get permission. We would be better off going back to that.
      
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      October 19, 2017 9:36am
    - realityczech
      
      Nothing has changed regarding marriage. You can have a Christian conservative marriage the same as before. Or not.
      
      The only difference is the State does not impose another persons views upon you.
      
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      October 19, 2017 12:41pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  EAD,
  
  You’re just posting some asshole’s opinion that men and women’s brains are wired differently. And therefore, blah, blah, blah. Blah. So there!
  
  Makes as much impact as any comment on GD does.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:42am
  - VicParking
    
    I rest my case
    
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    October 19, 2017 12:35pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      You’re the one who thinks you can only go right on roundabouts, forgetting (or not realising) that they are circles. And to go around a circle you first have to go left.
      
      So, what case was that again?
      
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      October 19, 2017 1:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Makes as much impact as any comment on GD does”
    
    The ironing it hurts 🙂
    
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    October 19, 2017 12:36pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Stop going over your hand, then.
      
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      October 19, 2017 1:10pm
Rich Prick

Cindy can have him so far as I’m concerned. The last few weeks has looked like a couple of hopefuls being chased by a dose of something nasty.
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October 19, 2017 8:57am
Michael

Tom Scott cartoon Dompost today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/96288672/tom-scott-cartoons
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October 19, 2017 9:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Scott seems to be rediscovering his form.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:10am
- Fletch
  
  Isn’t this more-or-less a copy of a pic a reader sent in that DPF posted the other day?
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:57am
- VicParking
  
  On the far left half hidden… I wonder who Judas, or should I say Ron, is
  
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  October 19, 2017 12:37pm
Digmen1

We need to hit the streets like they do in Europe and Asia and Africa.
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October 19, 2017 9:08am
- SGA
  
  Heavens, that seems just ever such a tiny bit over the top.
  We’ve had over 20 years of coalition governments, lead by both National and Labour. We are still here, the sun still comes up, there is still breakfast on the table…
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:34am
- MCos
  
  You’re jumping the gun
  Bird if the Year competition winner hasn’t been announced yet
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:35am
kowtow

Look what happened in Sweden. This won’t even make the inside of our newspapers , you see the MSM will have us believe that Sweden is the best country in the world ……immigration ,equality ,blah blah

“Explosives are often used by organized crime rings in Sweden, especially in the south where settling of scores and intimidation are frequent among drug traffickers.

Police and judges are also regularly targeted. On November 30th, 2014, a blast damaged a building in the southern city of Malmö that housed police, prosecutors, a courthouse and a penitentiary administration.’

https://www.thelocal.se/20171018/helsingborg-police-station-damaged-by-blast-in-southern-sweden
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October 19, 2017 9:31am
kowtow

And while the media continue to obsess about all things Trump ,what prominence will they give to the fact that their Saint , the most powerful wimmin in the world is finding it very hard to form a gummint .

https://www.thelocal.de/20171018/wounded-and-weakened-merkel-starts-coalition-talks-with-awkward-partners
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October 19, 2017 9:33am
iMP

NZ COALITION TALKS:
Am I the only one who senses the MSM have got right away on themselves? It’s NOT clear Winston Peters is going to announce which side he is going with today –I heard that there is going to be an announcement on the policy clusters and agreements made; and a run down on progress of talks so far

I DID NOT HEAR we’re going to get a “National” or “Labour” announcement today (Winston’s words were particular and specific)
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October 19, 2017 9:45am
dime

feels like winston is going left…

the bonus is – everyday we can ask jacinda this question

“why are there still 275,000 kids living in poverty? you havent done a thing! you havent lifted one child out of pverty!”
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October 19, 2017 9:50am
- Swifty
  
  Relishing that prospect.
  
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  October 19, 2017 9:56am
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‪Surely John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers, (as stated by Chair of Transparency International Jose Ugaz, at Rutherford House, Victoria University Wellington on 1 August 2017), not appointed Chair of the Board of ANZ?‬

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 19, 2017 10:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Surely Penny Bright should be investigated over her ten-year non-payment of rates to Auckland Council and its predecessor, given the plethora of court judgments against her.
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:10am
  - RalphT
    
    No, no. Now that MeTu is off the scene (for good, one hopes) the Greens will adopt her as one of their flag bearers and she will be untouchable.
    
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    October 19, 2017 10:28am
- stigie
  
  “Surely John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers”
  
  No, it’s only you that Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers you stupid old bat..?
  Fucks sake, get a grip Penny !~
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:13am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Whatever happened to this Penny:
  
  “The 2016 Corruption Perception Index isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.”
  
  ” Seriously – in my considered opinion – the 2016 Transparency International Corruption Perception Index, (which has just placed New Zealand as first equal with Denmark, as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’), in my view, isn’t worth the paper upon which it is written”, says ‘anti-corruption campaigner, and Independent Mt Albert by-election candidate Penny Bright.
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1701/S00171/the-2016-corruption-perception-index-isnt-worth-the-paper.htm
  
  You cite the Chair of Transparency International as an expert source, yet as recently as January 2017, you were publicly dissing TI.
  
  TI can’t be both an authoritative source yet producing a report that “isn’t worth the paper upon which it is written” (your words), so please, tell us which of your two totally contradictory statements we should believe.
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:18am
  - calendar girl
    
    That was a “Gotcha!”, Penny.
    
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    October 19, 2017 11:20am
    - sooty
      
      Tui!
      
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      October 19, 2017 12:15pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Wrong.
    
    IMO the Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ isn’t worth the paper upon which it’s written, regarding corruption ‘reality’.
    
    However – I think it’s politically significant that the on 1 August 2017, the Chair of Transparency International, Jose Ugaz, stated that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers.
    
    IMO – it’s also significant that no NZ mainstream media have covered this story.
    
    Penny Bright
    
    ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
    
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    October 19, 2017 12:43pm
    - Swifty
      
      That’s because they know there’s no story.
      
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      October 19, 2017 1:17pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Blockquote>IMO – it’s also significant that no NZ mainstream media have covered this story.
      
      You may have forgotten Penny, but Radio NZ, TVNZ and print journos joined Nicky Hager for weeks in poring over the Panama Papers documents and NOTHING was found that even remotely suggested that John Key was corrupt, or complicit in some kind of cover-up. Yes, there were a few loopholes exposed in our trust regime, and these have been closed. On this matter, you are an army of one.
      
      As far as your inconsistent statements re Transparency International go, you can cherry-pick all you like, but your credibility has hit rock-bottom.
      
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      October 19, 2017 2:04pm
      - Swifty
        
        Can’t go any lower.
        
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        October 19, 2017 2:15pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        Quit the ‘pin head dancing’ Keeping Stock?
        
        My point was where was the mainstream media coverage of Transparency International Chair Jose Ugaz public statement at a meeting of over 200 people, at Rutherford House, Victoria University on 1 August 2016, that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers?
        
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        October 19, 2017 4:00pm
    - fernglas
      
      It’s interesting that Transparency’s own website says that Ugaz was interviewed while in NZ by Radio New Zealand and two other mainstream outlets, none of whom reported anything about him saying Key should be investigated, so maybe there is no story, just an assertion by Penny that is without foundation.
      
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      October 19, 2017 2:41pm
      - publicwatchdog
        
        WRONG.
        
        I heard Jose Ugaz make the public statement that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers on 1 August 2017, at Rutherford House, Victoria University, because I was present at that meeting.
        
        Why don’t you check with the ‘MC’ for that meeting, Ian Fraser, and/ or his wife, Suzanne Snively, Chair of Transparency International NZ?
        
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        ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
        
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        October 19, 2017 4:05pm
      - stigie
        
        Who the fuck cares Penny until your house comes up for auction for not paying rates over the last 10 years.
        Bloody disgraceful bludging !~
        
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        October 19, 2017 4:26pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Penny:
      
      I think it’s politically significant that the on 1 August 2017, the Chair of Transparency International, Jose Ugaz, stated that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers.
      
      More context needed.
      
      I doubt Jose Ugaz just stood up and “stated that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers”. I suspect that you asked a question without notice (with insufficient context and based on questionable information), and got the answer you wanted.
      
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      October 19, 2017 5:51pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Who is this Ugaz creature you keep banging on about, and should I give a flying fuck about what he/she/it says?
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:21am
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    Try ‘Google’.
    
    🙂
    
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    October 19, 2017 12:44pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Try ‘Imodium’.
      
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      October 19, 2017 1:29pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Don’t be so arrogant, Penny Bright. You’re the one who sought to use the names of Transparency International and Ugaz to support your anti-Key fetishes.
      
      It’s now for you to substantiate Transparency International’s credentials for advocating a formal investigation of the former Prime Minister. Unfortunately, you had previously dismissed the same Transparency International because of its Index’s very favourable ranking of New Zealand.
      
      You can’t have it both ways. KS has caught you out cold. It could be just your memory beginning to desert you as the years pass – we’ll all be understanding of any such shortcomings – but please don’t insult KB’s commentators by telling them to do their own research when your own assertions are challenged.
      
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      October 19, 2017 5:02pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      See?
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      Rubbish Stays
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      October 19, 2017 5:47pm
- KevOB
  
  An investigation is properly needed into how the lawful process of debt collection for unpaid rates in Auckland has been subverted. There should have been a forced sale years ago.
  
  Who has intervened to prevent due process?
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:03am
  - srylands
    
    So long as penalty interest is accruing, the Council probably doesn’t care much. When the house is sold or she dies they will reach out and grab what is owed.
    
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    October 19, 2017 11:18am
    - calendar girl
      
      I accept your logical reasoning, srylands, but I question whether it is a proper means for any governing body to use for the enforcement of legal obligations. Over a period of up to 10 years.
      
      If a significant proportion of ratepayers followed Ms Bright’s example (think of it as drawing down moneys on the existing mortgage, without obtaining the Bank’s approval), would it still be OK? It looks to me as though Auckland Council is granting Ms Bright highly preferential treatment in the form of an extended loan that would not be accorded to us ‘ordinary mortals’.
      
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      October 19, 2017 11:33am
      - srylands
        
        Yes but I have assumed that penalty interest is accruing that will compound. The amount owing 10 years from now could be hundreds of thousands. If that is not the case then you are correct.
        
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        October 19, 2017 11:37am
      - Happychappy
        
        Sorry cg I down ticked instead of reply. But being a taxpayers money and interest rates very low the council should be charging rent to accumulate the extra costs.
        
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        October 19, 2017 11:43am
      - calendar girl
        
        Fair enough, srylands, if you’re prepared to believe that Auckland Council will have the courage to:
        
        a) charge interest rates that match the going first mortgage rate (e.g. 6% ) plus, say, a penalty factor of a further compounding 10% on the outstanding and growing debt – a total of 16% p.a. minimum on the growing debt amount; and
        
        b) actually levy Ms Bright’s arrears plus compounding interest when the boom ultimately falls on her and her debt-ridden home. My bet would be that, when the time comes, all our social warriors will be out there proclaiming the unfairness of it all, and that Goff & Co (facing a storm of protest from the usual leftie sources) will fold like a pack of cards.
        
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        October 19, 2017 4:07pm
    - KevOB
      
      Its affront to justice to let it run on indefinitely. That might be acceptable in the event of genuine hardship following extraordinary circumstances. Here it is just a ratepayer holding out which is not justifiable. Imagine if many more did because of the bad example.
      
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      October 19, 2017 4:37pm
  - VicParking
    
    The Council bureaucrats that earn $250,000 a year each.
    
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    October 19, 2017 12:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Penny Bright wishes to control the free association of NZers according to her whims.
  
  Why am I not surprised.
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “Every revolutionary is a closet aristocrat” – Frank Herbert.
    
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    October 19, 2017 3:14pm
- srylands
  
  Can you please explain what crime Key has allegedly committed and the evidence that would support an investigation? Otherwise you are just blowing smoke out of your arse.
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:16am
- flipper
  
  Surely, at some point you dumb bint, you will realise that you and your like are talking through the arse. No?
  You carry on with the same sort of crap, week after week, to the point where it seems certain that you must be taking illicit substances.
  Oh….
  When will you apologise to Banksie, dipshit?
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:34am
  - Gabby
    
    When’s Banksie dipshit apologising to his wee lad frigger?
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray And Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:46pm
MrTips

This is turning into the bloody Bachelor.

What. a. farce. I’m genuinely embarrassed.

It’d be great if the entire public service turned around and told the next Govt. to ……

“F*&^ off, we’re not DoinNuttin™ until that jumped up little Pretender® is booted out”
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October 19, 2017 10:04am
fylde

Estonia or Afghanistan ? Estonia (Blue and Black flag) is a largely white country with a high age. Afghanistan (red, green and black) trying to recover after internal warfare and has a very young average age.
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October 19, 2017 10:18am
- Jack5
  
  Pretty much a valid comparison.
  
  Estonia (where a quarter of the population is ethnic Russian), with a quarter of its population under age 25, compared with Afghanistan, where 41 per cent of its population is under 15. (A third of New Zealanders are under 25.)
  
  But the power of numbers is limited, and always has been. Remote, sparsely populated Mongolia conquered China, Russia, and much of the Middle East. Mongolians’ cousins, the rural and relatively few Manchu, ruled China for 268 years. Nuclear weapons lesson the power of numbers further. The stand-off between North Korea and the United States shows this.
  
  Tougher borders are going up everywhere, and easy economic immigration will soon end. Afghanistan faces a Malthusian future.
  
  Not sure the point is about Estonia being white. Its main population is of the Finnish group. I think many Afghans would regard themselves as “white”. Pashtun is an Indo-European language, and “white” is a pretty variable classification of human beings. African albinos, for example, are “white,” and some southern Europeans are as brown as Polynesians.
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:32am
Jack5

Wusses and wimps rule …

Shakespeare a bit grim for Cambridge students.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/18/cambridge-university-students-given-trigger-warning-shakespeare/
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October 19, 2017 10:19am
Colville

If a bloke happened to have a bit of dosh laying about (somewhere between a shoebox and a suitcase full ) what would be a good thing to do for up to six months?
Around April I am going to need it again and I would like to see it put on a bit of weight in the meantime…
Ideas?
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October 19, 2017 10:21am
- SGA
  
  Legal or illegal? 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:26am
  - Colville
    
    This is the stuff without the cocaine residue…. 🙂
    
    so yes legal taxable activity.
    
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    October 19, 2017 10:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A Winebox full would be almost perfect…
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:33am
- MrTips
  
  PPH…look it up
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:26am
  - starboard
    
    Really?
    
    “BRIEF: For the fiscal year ended 31 March 2017, Pushpay Holdings Ltd revenues totaled $34M. Net loss totaled to $25.3M. Results are not comparable due to currency change.”
    
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    October 19, 2017 2:35pm
    - MrTips
      
      https://nzx.com/companies/PPH/announcements/308524
      
      And then look at their 6m chart and think about the 50dyMA. Plus a 52 wk incr of >50%.
      
      And then think of the NZD once Cindy becomes PM.
      
      the trend is your friend.
      
      But I’m not a IA so what would I know?
      
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      October 19, 2017 3:13pm
- VicParking
  
  Send it to me, my cousin in Kenya has an Ivory and Rhino horn export business that is looking for capital
  
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  October 19, 2017 12:46pm
- starboard
  
  TGH or MPG..good upside and good dividends.
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:33pm
lifesgood

And the precious snowflakes are at it again! Now they are calling for anyone who has an ANZ account to close it now John Key is chair of the board. Ffs, no wonder the morons are broke and can’t afford housing. They can’t even make rational savings decisions. Straight from the jealousy play book.
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October 19, 2017 10:24am
- stigie
  
  I have never known so many on the left with the hatred of John Key, why is it ? All he did was come in and make a better place for NZs and for people to aspire to something for which he did !~
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:36am
  - flipper
    
    They hated his Teflon coating more than the man …..
    
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    October 19, 2017 11:16am
  - Happychappy
    
    Hugh is a great example of that for a man that run a big business and obviously was good at it in his time to revert to what he has against John Key is something I can not understand and especially at his age.
    
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    October 19, 2017 11:53am
    - lifesgood
      
      Senility setting in?
      
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      October 19, 2017 4:57pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Lefties see JK as a traitor to the cause. He rose out of living in a state house to become a “rich prick” and PM. How dare he have ambition! // ?
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:42pm
- itstricky
  
  Kind of like calling to boycott Mazda because they supported John Campbell’s show?
  
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  October 19, 2017 10:50am
  - srylands
    
    Yeah well that is moronic too.
    
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    October 19, 2017 11:11am
- srylands
  
  I heard that he had been appointed. But I didn’t see that reaction coming. Seriously that is so fucked up.
  
  Just when I think we have reached peak fuckery in New Zealand I get proved wrong.
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:13am
- Johnboy
  
  I am starting to draw out some of my hundreds of thousands in Bonus Bonds but only because I’ve got sick of the 1% return. It was only a punt while I couldn’t decide what to do with it all. Nothing to do with JK! 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:47pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I imagine the ANZ will be delighted to lose all of those annoying accounts with 50c to $25 in them. Perhaps that was part of the evil plan?
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:00pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Winston will go left with My Little Pony and the truly smug Greens. All the hard work done by National to go down the gurgler. Economically in three years we could be worse off. And three years of having to ensure a inspirational leader for young girls everywhere because Bill isn’t allowed to be a role model as he’s old, male, white,Catholic and conservative.
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October 19, 2017 11:07am
- VicParking
  
  You should be a two ticks Blue City man.
  
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  October 19, 2017 12:49pm
JasonJohns

one word.
haitian invasion.
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October 19, 2017 11:14am
JasonJohns

Some offensive and over the top comments last night by RealityCzech. Perhaps somebody close to him should have a chat.
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October 19, 2017 11:20am
- Antoine
  
  Are you him? If so, you should do it yourself
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:35am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Not so easy
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:04pm
rightoverlabour

Actually, venting on a blog is probably to be encouraged. I often get worked up, blast away and feel a lot better. Better that than actually doing something stupid. I know I post edgy comments and tell a few where to go, but I’d probably be able to drink a beer with most. ( however, I have not see those comments you refer to)
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October 19, 2017 11:31am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  where – ‘the flying jug’ ?
  
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  October 20, 2017 1:28am
JasonJohns

I just fear for RealityCzech’s health, that’s all. My sense is that his fluids are jamming.
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October 19, 2017 11:34am
- softail 1450
  
  JJ perhaps you should peruse some of your older posts and reach for the fluoxetine bottle yourself ….
  
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  October 19, 2017 11:48am
  - JasonJohns
    
    I’m not responsible for my ‘posts’ here. Globalists systematitically distort and invent in threads like this using my name. That’s POLITICS 101
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:05pm
Kimbo

Preview here of todays Dodgers-Cubs game (Dodgers lead 3-0 in the best of 7 series).

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-cubs/2017/10/18/526507?partnerId=LR_preview#game_tab=preview,game_state=preview,game=526507

Alex Wood (16-3) vs Jake Arrieta (14-10). Seems like tom hunter’s prediction of his Cubs being swept is on the cards.

Thanks again for that article about the Yankees rebuild (currently up 2 4-0 in game 5 against the Astros), tom. I left a response on yesterday’s GD.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/astros-vs-yankees/2017/10/18/526501?partnerId=LR_gameday#game_tab=gameday,game_state=live,game=526501
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October 19, 2017 12:07pm
- Kimbo
  
  …and the Bronx Bombers win, and go 3-2 up. One game away from about their 562nd World Series appearance. Or at least it seems like that for everyone is is a from beyond New Yorker and/or a Mets fan. Huge low sitting over Boston especially right now. 😉
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:32pm
  - SPC
    
    Dallas Keuchel at home in Houston, not a problem.
    
    The Yankees bring the wood and bat/chem trail the Astros ball out of the park.
    
    0-2, 3-2.
    
    Yankees and Dodgers, Democratic states, coast to coast liberalism.
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:59pm
  - tom hunter
    
    SPC’s trolling is getting almost as boring as mikenmild‘s endless play on “short-fingers” through 2016.
    
    Kimbo
    Glad you enjoyed it.
    
    Would you like to tell SPC exactly how much of a huge fan of the Yankees, President Trump is or should I? 🙂
    
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    October 19, 2017 2:06pm
    - Kimbo
      
      According to his press releases the Donald only backs winners, just as winners back him. ?
      
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      October 19, 2017 2:34pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Yah, watched half of it – groan. The Yankees always seem to find guys who turn up big-time in the post-season from the regular – their starting pitcher today has not been this outstanding before.
    
    BTW – thought you might enjoy the following. Apparently it’s the anniversary of the Red Sox’s huge triumph over the Yankees in 2004, so the official Red Sox Twitter account was as follows:
    
    Red Sox ✔ @RedSox
    Today’s basically a holiday… pic.twitter.com/yQSXabnY1t
    
    The Yankees weren’t going to take that lying down, hence their official Twitter response:
    
    New York Yankees ✔ @Yankees
    Ah, work day for us. Game time is 5:08pm, if you’re not busy.
    7:02 AM – Oct 18, 2017
    950 950 Replies 18,259 18,259 Retweets 32,376 32,376 likes
    
    BURN!!!!!
    
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    October 19, 2017 2:11pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …and the Cubs win 3-2 and stay alive…but they still have to win 3 in a row.
    
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    October 19, 2017 5:39pm
  - tom hunter
    
    YAY!
    
    At least we don’t get swept as in 2015. Fuck that performance against the Mets was embarrassing after wiping the Cardinals!!!!
    
    But this was like watching a man hanging on by his fingernails!!!!
    
    At long last Maddon got what he wanted; a lead going into the 8th inning where he could use Wade Davis as the closer to get six outs rather than three – just like he used Aroldis Chapman in 2016. If I was the Cubbies bullpen with all those relieving pitchers I’d be fucking hanging my head in shame. Something like this can only occur once every few games.
    
    Dodger’s still with the advantage – but hey, 2004 Red Sox ….. (I still recall the wonderful video of Red Sox fans walking away from their stadium after that third loss against the Yankees singing, We’re losers,….. losers,….. losers….)
    
    O Ye of Little Faith!
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:24pm
    - Kimbo
      
      O Ye of Little Faith!
      
      Want me to re-post your comments from the last few days? 😉
      
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      October 19, 2017 6:42pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Heh – why not just post all my comments about Trump!!!!!
        
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        October 19, 2017 7:20pm
Manolo

He cannot stay away:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/us/politics/obama-campaign-trail-virginia-new-jersey-alabama.html

Barack Obama will hit the campaign trail on Thursday to rally black voters behind candidates for governor in Virginia and New Jersey amid stern warnings that African Americans may not come out in force on an Election Day that is just three weeks away.
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October 19, 2017 12:12pm
cha

…tears of impotent rage…3…2…

A public elementary school in Mississippi named after the president of the Confederacy will be renamed to honor the first black president of the United States.

Davis Magnet International Baccalaureate Elementary in Jackson, which is named for Jefferson Davis, will be renamed Barack Obama Magnet International Baccalaureate Elementary beginning next school year, the school’s PTA president, Janelle Jefferson, said at a Jackson Public Schools Board of Trustees meeting Tuesday night.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-s-name-replace-jefferson-davis-mississippi-school-n811956
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October 19, 2017 12:19pm
- Rich Prick
  
  BO Magnet … *snigger*
  
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  October 19, 2017 3:46pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
ANZ leading Australian bank mentioned in the Panama Papers:

http://www.fijileaks.com/home/the-panama-papers-anz-bank-was-the-leading-australian-bank-in-the-world-of-offshore-accounts-samoan-diplomat-was-used-to-help-create-shell-companies-samoas-high-commission-in-australia-couriered-papers

(4/4/2016)

“By Neil Chenoweth
Financial Review

The Mossack Fonseca files show the critical importance that banks hold in the offshore world – and ANZ is the most visible of the Australian banks in the offshore space.

ANZ appears in 7548 of the Mossack documents, reflecting the bank’s extensive work in New Zealand, the Cook Islands, Samoa and Jersey.
…”

Thus, IMO, it is deeply concerning that John Key is not being investigated over the Panama Papers – but is appointed as Chair of the ANZ.

Deeply concerning.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 19, 2017 12:36pm
- VicParking
  
  Come on team. How quck can we down tick this non ratepaying troll out of existance
  
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  October 19, 2017 12:51pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Which FACTS don’t you like?
    
    Penny Bright
    
    ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
    
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    October 19, 2017 4:09pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’re a fact free zone – you always have been.
      
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      October 19, 2017 4:20pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    See?
    I Spray And Walk Away
    Rubbish Stays
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    October 19, 2017 5:50pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off
  and again I say Fuck Off
  and again and again and again…
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:32pm
  - Kimbo
    
    ♪♫♬ 😉
    
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    October 19, 2017 2:00pm
- starboard
  
  Im moving my bank accounts over to ANZ tomorrow Penny.
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:54pm
- srylands
  
  You refuse to answer my question. Investigated by whom about what based on what evidence?
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:14pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  So what accountability did John Key have for the actions of the Australian-owned ANZ Bank Penny, before he was announced as the bank’s new chairman yesterday?
  
  How about none whatsoever?
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:20pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  And I was at one stage thinking of moving my accounts from the ANZ, but with Key in charge, they can stay there forever….
  
  Oh and once again, Fuck Off
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Why is your opinion more valuable than anybody else? At the end of the day it’s your opinion and nothing else! Penny, I say fuck off as well. Fuck off!
    
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    October 19, 2017 3:16pm
Johnboy

Why would anyone want to change the government? 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98016625/auckland-tops-income-table-as-households-earn-more
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October 19, 2017 1:19pm
- stigie
  
  That can’t be true Johnboy, there’s so many people in poverty, that doesn’t fit my narrative because the country has gone to hell in a handcart wah wah wah !~
  
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  October 19, 2017 1:39pm
- cmm
  
  Please don’t make the commie cry!
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:08pm
MrTips

Winston says he “cares about the decision and not what happens afterwards…….”

Words fail me.

NZ is seriously up the Kyber Pass…..
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October 19, 2017 2:02pm
cmm

BREAKING NEWS

Winston had LUNCH!
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October 19, 2017 2:07pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought you were kidding, but that was actually the “breaking news”. Let us hope there is line being drawn at that revelation. I call this election’s loser: the media.
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:44pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, and they’re really dragging it out too:
    
    Food For Thought
    “Digesting…
    
    etc etc.
    
    Why are the Leftie media not asking him why he just had a $500 lunch when that could have fed thousands of kids in poverty for three months… or whatever.
    
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    October 19, 2017 3:52pm
Longknives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/98040119/duncan-garner-sets-limits-on-taika-waititis-free-speech-but-only-if-the-neighbours-might-hear

Klein Nixon is Stuff’s version of Lizzie Marvelly- She is an expert on everything.
Wish she could explain where the 41,000 “Homeless” people in New Zealand actually are?? (There are maybe a couple of hundred or so living in Auckland City- So where the heck are the other 40 odd thousand?)
I’d also like to know where she gets her ‘90,000 kids in Poverty’ figures from?
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October 19, 2017 2:14pm
- starboard
  
  “I’d also like to know where she gets her ‘90,000 kids in Poverty’ figures from?”
  
  Her arse..
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:27pm
  - stigie
    
    Hardship is the word they should be using not poverty.
    We all know there’s no poverty in NZ because our welfare system is the best in the world !~
    
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    October 19, 2017 2:34pm
- Digmen1
  
  In Bangladesh the Myanmar refuges have built house for 500,000 people in 4 weeks!
  
  Our homeless are too lazy.
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:49pm
rightoverlabour

Did Winny also go for a piss , and did he blow his nose? We wait breathlessly while the journalist fuckwits grasp at every straw…Talk about being played….
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October 19, 2017 2:32pm
- VicParking
  
  He does not need to go for a piss as he wears adult diapers.
  Havent you seen that look he gets on his face during question time.
  
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  October 19, 2017 3:53pm
Nookin

Klein Nixon protects Waititi’s freedom of speech by delivering an exaggerated, embittered and sarcastic salvo at Garner for having the temerity to exercise his. Typical.
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October 19, 2017 2:32pm
New Zealand Last

God this blog is boring as fuck when there’s a gag order on DPF. Shame on him, just as bad as the National party and just as responsible for Winston being able to act the way he does without impunity. English has willingly given up his balls rather than call Winston out for the greedy loser that he is. Of course DPF can’t say that for fear of offending Winston and making him throw a tantrum and go with Labour. Shows what a ball-less blog this is too. So much for saying what you think without being a pussy.
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October 19, 2017 2:50pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  So you’re goal in life is to be a brainless tosser?
  
  Well done, goal achieved! 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 2:57pm
- MrTips
  
  Actually its really good when you and Hugh aren’t here.
  
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  October 19, 2017 3:17pm
  - softail 1450
    
    mr t ,he could be Hugh’s bro.
    
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    October 19, 2017 5:49pm
- nasska
  
  ….”So much for saying what you think without being a pussy”….
  
  You had a pretty good shot at it. Any preferences in cat food?
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:04pm
JibberJabber

The demented old twat still hasn`t made up his mind.
NZ on its way to being a Banana Republic with no Bananas.
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October 19, 2017 2:57pm
oldgolfer

In the end
It came to a guess:
Left or Right –
You pick.
Hobson’s choice,
Winston’s choice.
A man in a suit
In a dilemma.
Pick me; pick me –
No don’t;
Let me dream
Of glory days
When we knew
Who won; who
Tasted the chalice’s
Poison, and died
That awful death:
Obscurity
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October 19, 2017 3:01pm
rangitoto

Winnie picked his nose!
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October 19, 2017 3:09pm
ByterNZ

What’s happening with 99% confidence is that the NZF caucus and board are split on the decision, and neither side wants to give in.

The responsible thing to do in that case is for NZF to completely abstain on confidence and supply.
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October 19, 2017 3:20pm
- trout
  
  Given the make up of the NZFirst caucus it is no surprise that they reflect the desires of their supporters; half want to go with the Nats and the other half with Labour. I am picking that Winston wants to go with the Nats because it is , simply, the safe option but he has to deal with the likes of Tracey Martin, a raging lefty who sees herself as Minister of Education (having been fully captured by the teacher unions). Perhaps there are threats of defections; (and Winnies’ waka jumping legislation has expired – oh the irony).
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:12pm
- KevOB
  
  Call up Bill English and Jacinda and let them know a decision is not possible. If that’s not doen today they should terminate the proceedings as NZF are not fit to be government.
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:51pm
rightoverlabour

Breaking News!!!!

“Just spotted Jacinda Ardern’s partner Clarke Gayford leaving the Labour office. Asked how he was going Gayford said “alright”.
And now he has just come back, bearing Gingernut biscuits and what could be a bag of lollies.”

He fucking said alright. Now what could that mean???? And it could have been a bag of lollies. I’ll be damned. Could have been viagra for all i care.

How about some intelligent commentary.
Thank god we don’t pay for this level of drivel FFS
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October 19, 2017 3:25pm
- Johnboy
  
  The gingernuts were just a straight chaps way to show solidarity with Jacinda’s mostly ginger caucus rol! 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 3:39pm
sooty

Whinnystone, I have had enough!
I don’t give a shit who you go with!
I just want you gone!
93% of the country do not want you, and neither do I.
You are the reason I want FPP.
Never going to give you the time of day, except to ridicue you.
I put you in the demented basket with Penny!
So much for a legacey, you have blown it.
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October 19, 2017 3:25pm
Manolo

I’m sick of venal Mr Peters, his miserable political party and his antics. Enough.
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October 19, 2017 3:35pm
hullkiwi

Why is anybody surprised that there is still no decision from the drunken gnome. Ffs he will sin this until tomorrow night, there’s the long weekend.
This is all about 2 things, being:
1. Screwing as much as possible out of either National or Labour; and most importantly
2. Keeping the spot light fixed firmly on him.
He is in no way cares in the interests of NZ or its citizens!
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October 19, 2017 3:47pm
thedavincimode

I’ve moved on. What’s for dinner?
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October 19, 2017 4:08pm
- MrTips
  
  For at least 45% of us, this: https://youtu.be/0q66NuZrB2E
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:21pm
- stigie
  
  Snacks and finger food at the Green Parrot !~
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:34pm
thedavincimode

It reminds me of that US spoof comedy Undercover Brother. There was a huge build up of expectation in the black community that a retiring black general and war hero was going to announce he was standing for the Presidency. The moment of the highly anticipated announcement arrives at the big press conference. All his black supporters are on tenterhooks and beside themselves with anticipation. The general steps up to the podium and announces that on retirement he intends to open a deep fried chicken chain. Will the stunted snake oil salesman open a chain of “Gold Card” rest homes?
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October 19, 2017 4:20pm
waikatogirl

I hope the delay is because Bill is playing hardball in the negotiations. Don’t give in to Winnie’s demands National.
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October 19, 2017 4:22pm
Johnboy

One thing you can say for the charade that is MMP/Winston is that it’s brought the experience of Viagra free orgasms back to all our political reporters even if they are geriatrics! 🙂
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October 19, 2017 4:24pm
Lucia Maria

Some funny stuff on Twitter as people twiddle their thumbs while waiting for Winston to decide!

Radio Hauraki made me click, with the teaser #Breaking! Winston Peters reveals his decision! Then there was static and the sounds of gulls(?) cawing.
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October 19, 2017 4:27pm
- thedavincimode
  
  A classic about whether there was any white smoke coming from the beehive yet.
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:33pm
hullkiwi

DM, I’m with you…just let me know when the MSM has swallowed itself into its own black hole which is in the vicinity of the gnome’s rear end. At the end of the day the gnome and the MSM deserve each other.
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October 19, 2017 4:29pm
MH

6% odd voters believe it was OK to defraud the taxpayer over benefits and on top of electoral manipulation. Winston pls don’t back Green. The same party thinks its also OK to have some of the few men left in the Party resign and not say or do anything to stop them. I’ll forgive Winston for most other things but not this betrayal.
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October 19, 2017 4:31pm
- treadingthemill
  
  I have voted Green in the past, and I might have done so again this time, but the Metiria Turei debacle and the shoddy way Kennedy Graham and David Clendon were treated put me right off. And James Shaw’s handling of all of it did not impress me one little bit. A green party should be all about the environment, conservation and sustainability, not welfare fraud and unsustainable welfare spending. I am hoping a new green party comes into being that is solely focused on the environment and green issues and is willing to work with both Labour and National.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:25pm
cha

Why Facebook is shit #57.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/10/17/how-the-russians-pretended-to-be-texans-and-texans-believed-them/
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October 19, 2017 4:33pm
hullkiwi

Apparently the gnome”s advisor has been seen preparing the Beehive”s theatrette.
If only to say what…?
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October 19, 2017 4:36pm
thedavincimode

OMG! What if he opens the wrong envelope?
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October 19, 2017 4:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  Harvey Weinstein becomes our PM?
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:43pm
RF

Our wait could soon be over.

Apparently Preparations are being made in the parlamentary media room for an announcement.

Then again it could be more BS.
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October 19, 2017 4:38pm
UpandComer

Winston wants 5 fucking cabinet posts? and he’s willing to delay the announcement to get them? He’s 7 percent!!
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October 19, 2017 4:46pm
Digmen1

As I said yesterday on here I think it will be Tuesday.

Winston loves the drama and wants to get as much as he can.

Nothing to do with policy its all about positions.
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October 19, 2017 4:46pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Shoulda run a sweep on it. I was picking he’d want maximum spotlight with a live announcement after 6pm tonight.
  
  The greens could have spared us all this, just by having a quick phone call with Bill.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:15pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Winston’s biggest thrill is watching himself on television. By dragging out the soap opera he is getting so many thrills.
  If the media left him alone; completely alone, this circus would rapidly come to an end. Because there would be no more thrills for Winnie.
  Best comment earlier today is that Winston is in the middle but each side of him are two bum cheeks; very similar to each other; National is the right bum cheek and Labour is the left bum cheek; Winston is in the middle, so you know what Winnie is, don’t you.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:18pm
Gruffydd

Two tabs open.
Here and the Standard.
A big box of popcorn.
This is going to be fun whatever.
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October 19, 2017 4:46pm
Lucia Maria

The Guardian has had live updating going on all day waiting for: The. Big. Decision.
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October 19, 2017 4:46pm
Johnboy

Carrad and Marinkovich have checked that the mike stand is short enough for a runt…… The biggest man in NZ politics is close to telling us his choice! 🙂
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October 19, 2017 4:49pm
- hullkiwi
  
  No he is not. They are removing it.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:00pm
MH

message from the Admiralty “Winston’s back is up”
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October 19, 2017 4:56pm
hullkiwi

Reading the latest dialogue on The Herald website, its been all about the baubles of office. Surprise, surprise, not!
Proof that Peters has the principles of a snake oil seller. Who was the moron who suggested he wasn’t interested in the trappings of office?

He always has been a charlatan and always will be!
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October 19, 2017 4:59pm
Johnboy

Melon Politburo to meet tonight…ominous stuff folks! 🙂
“And this confirmation from a senior Greens source – the party has called their special general meeting formally for tonight.
150 delegates representing the wider party will meet, as far as we understand to vote on the agreement between themselves and Labour.
Does this mean Labour have been given the nod? It’s understood they weren’t planning to meet if there was no need to. “
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October 19, 2017 5:06pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Well Bill was presenting something for sign-off from caucus and board this morning. I’m sure Winston wants both parties hanging on his decision, the last thing he wants is a “we’ve lost” leak from one side or the other stealing his thunder.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:12pm
- SPC
  
  They are just organising to sign off on the Labour-Green deal – which ties in with what Labour has negotiated with NZ First (now that is completed).
  
  They have no idea whether NZ First has chosen to go with Labour over National.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:20pm
waikatogirl

Keep your ear to the ground JB. ?
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October 19, 2017 5:09pm
- Johnboy
  
  But that means my butt will be in the air!!!! 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:11pm
  - nasska
    
    Live dangerously. 🙂
    
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    October 19, 2017 5:15pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Not if Milkey’s coming over for a rafting trip! 🙂
      
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      October 19, 2017 5:17pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Mind the ram JB! ?
    At least it will fill in time while you’re waiting for news from Winnie.?
    
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    October 19, 2017 5:18pm
nasska

Why on earth is anyone worried about Winston taking his time? The country’s humming along with a care taker government. There’s been no new half arsed rules or regulations implemented & the Mythical Deity is in his Heaven.

As far as I’m concerned there’s no hurry. Any time before, say the end of next year will be fine. 🙂
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October 19, 2017 5:14pm
- Johnboy
  
  Show some sympathy for the poor old political reporter chaps. If it took that long most of them would have carked from multiple orgasm syndrome. 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:20pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Walk away Bill. Just walk away. Winston wants four ministerial positions. Dream on.Walk Bill walk.
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October 19, 2017 5:20pm
- James Stephenson
  
  This. What a great way to be remembered, Bill. The man who even on a comeback from a 20% drubbing was principled enough to be able to stand firm and tell Winston “no”.
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:37pm
- hullkiwi
  
  He was 7% not 25% of the. He is making up the numbers
  Jumped up little whiskey soak.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:15pm
  - realityczech
    
    You could only dream of having as much bottle and go in you at his age mouse parts.
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:19pm
UpandComer

If he goes with Labour it will be a joke government. Labour and the Greens have barely increased support in 9 years as a unit. Ardern has no business being PM. I hope they get punished viciously by the electorate. This is a scam.
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October 19, 2017 5:29pm
- Johnboy
  
  The electorate will LUV them if they hand out FREE money to the folk that vote for fuckin losers! 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2017 5:33pm
  - Digmen1
    
    What do you mean If?
    
    But then again NZ First on their website seem to like working for the dole.
    
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    October 19, 2017 5:40pm
Odakyu-sen

If National is smart, they will sit this one out, then come back into power in 2020 for at least 2 terms to clean up Labour’s mess.
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October 19, 2017 5:31pm
starboard

Yep..show some balls Bill..tell the drunken midget to talk to the hand. Walk away.
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October 19, 2017 5:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Great so you are keen on Labour and the Greens running NZ. Or are you just throwing a tantrum because National did not get a majority ?
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:21pm
UpandComer

Well everyone will be able to see the reality of Labour’s fiscal hole. What a joke this is going to be.
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October 19, 2017 5:41pm
Nookin

If Peters has told neither National nor labour of his decision and they are both being held in suspense while he makes his profound announcement, I would urge English to tell him to go stuff himself. The sheer bloody arrogance of that attitude suggests that the coalition could not possibly succeed.
National would be better off in opposition completely destroying Peters performance and his legacy. In doing so, they would be doing using on politics and immense favour.
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October 19, 2017 5:54pm
V

Breaking News: An announcement by NZ First leader Winston Peters is expected very soon – it is understood he is preparing his speaking notes and will have a further very short meeting with his MPs before going to the Beehive Theatrette to make an announcement on the formation of the next Government.

Don’t know why they don’t add if he needs to take a dump on the way to the announcement.
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October 19, 2017 5:55pm
hane

tell him to go fuck himself, bill!
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October 19, 2017 5:58pm
graham

From the Herald live feed:

Bryce Edwards: It seems like the National Party leaks are setting up the narrative: NZF wanted too many baubles from National, but Labour gave in.

No surprises there …
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October 19, 2017 6:03pm
Nostradamus

From the NZ Herald website:

95bfm reported “rounds of clapping coming from the Labour offices”.

Will they share the full details of the coalition agreement (in the name of transparency) or just give us a high-level summary?
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October 19, 2017 6:03pm
- graham
  
  From Stuff:
  
  Oct 19, 2017 5:47 PM
  Henry Cooke
  From my perch one floor down from the Labour offices I can hear clapping. Soon after blogging this a Labour press sec emerged to tell me it was “just Family Feud.”
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:20pm
Lucia Maria

6pm fizz bomb.

There’s going to be another meeting and then may.be. an announcement. (Though, I see V beat me to it!)

Now that I’ve been waiting for this I just want it to be over.

Has anyone eaten all their popcorn yet and now is wondering what to do?
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October 19, 2017 6:04pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Haven’t even opened it yet lucy.
  The poor political MSM are having kittens.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:09pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Griff,
    
    I got all excited when the podium came out.
    
    And then it was taken back in again.
    
    No problems, I thought, he just needs to psych himself up. It’ll come out again.
    
    And, now I’ve waited too long and am bored of the whole thing.
    
    I’ve drunk my glass of red and eaten some cheese and nothing.
    
    Such a disappointment.
    
    Have to go back to trying to learn the midpoint rule in integration.
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:21pm
Johnboy

The pathetic little wizened turd that is Winston is hardly doing much to cement his legacy with these antics. What a bloody sad old man he really is.
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October 19, 2017 6:08pm
- realityczech
  
  Now now dry those tears, go to your safe-space, and read up on MMP. You know, the system we voted for repeatedly.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:15pm
waikatogirl

Greens are having a 4 hour conference this evening.

Winnie is still holed up in the meeting room, no sign of him heading for the theatrette for HIS announcement.

Shouldn’t Cindy or Bill be making the announcement as the PM.

What a circus. Winnie as the head clown.
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October 19, 2017 6:10pm
- New Zealand Last
  
  Problem is both of them are pussies who don’t have the balls to piss him off. It just goes to show how far they’re willing to go for power. English struggles to give up on his dream of being elected PM, and he is willing to give up his principals for it by being Winnie’s little bitch.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:26pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Got big balls do ya NZL? Yeah nah, I don’t think so. Wee little ones I think. 🙂
    
    It’s easy to hide behind a pseud while ranting the politicians who have to deal with the real world and the good of the country should behave like pre-school children. Peters has the balance of power, that’s the reality, and both Ardern and English have to deal with that in an adult and responsible manner.
    
    Take your wee little balls away. Nobody here is impressed with them.
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:35pm
V

And they say Trump is a narcassist?
Our clown is waiting for the 6pm news.
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October 19, 2017 6:14pm
- marcw
  
  Did you check your watch when you posted this V?
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:35pm
Odakyu-sen

The $NZ is dropping like a rock.

The game is afoot.
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October 19, 2017 6:15pm
- realityczech
  
  They said that about Trump. The US dollar is rising, unemployment is down and things are the best they have been in years.
  
  The Golden Rule is to believe the opposite of what the media reports unless you have clear evidence.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:17pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Well it’s gone down a tiny bit…hardly rockfall territory.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:42pm
Johnboy

Never forget this sad old bugger was once touted as being the bright new hope of NZ politics. First Maori PM he was going to be. All he is now is a pathetic shell of the man he once was. Who really cares who he goes with. He has turned politics in NZ into a sideshow.
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October 19, 2017 6:15pm
- Happychappy
  
  Johnboy I think he will look back on this and have no one else apart from himself to blame for his loss of respect from voters all over NZ. I have talked to people that always had nice things to say about him and his politics that would never vote for him again and did not realise until this how selfish he is.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:42pm
V

I’ve seen this movie before: Ransom
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October 19, 2017 6:20pm
- Nookin
  
  Dumb and Dumber!
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:26pm
cha

Imagining Pence squirm as he swears in Jenner…….

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-caitlyn-jenner-may-run-for-u-s-senate-1500243172-htmlstory.html
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October 19, 2017 6:25pm
Lucia Maria

Ok, here’s something. Apparently, Winston is going live on FaceBook shortly.
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October 19, 2017 6:27pm
- V
  
  Because he really hates those foreign multi-nationals that don’t pay any tax!
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:30pm
Longknives

I’m not a NZ First voter but I have defended Winston Peters on Kiwiblog several times over the years.
I humbly take that back- DPF and Co were right all along.
Mr Peters you are a fucking disgrace- I rate you about the equal of Meteria Turei right now.
I’m pouring myself a drink and contemplating how my business, how my family will survive this Coalition of Communists and Whackjobs determined to punish anyone who works for a living (White Males in particular).
In fact I might make that drink a double..
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October 19, 2017 6:31pm
- UpandComer
  
  Agreed. He’s a cock. He’s meant to be about individual rights and against political correctness – so he’s going to get into bed with the Trannie brigade and hand the country over to the unions, and the drivelling ‘climate change is the nuclear free’ virtue signallers, and a party only relevant because of Maori it misleads.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:35pm
dad4justice

Anybody proud to be a New Zealander ? We are gold medalists at CHILD ABUSE and SUICIDE. What a fucked up CESS PIT !!!
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October 19, 2017 6:33pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Chill d4j .
  No need to shout because you are having a bad day.
  NZ’s the best little country in the world.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:36pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Get off the weed you stoned up hick we have appalling child abuse and suicide rates. This country is a sick mess.
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:38pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Maybe if you smoked not drunk you would have a better home life than sitting in a council bedsit by yourself D4J.
      
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      October 19, 2017 6:49pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “Anybody proud to be a New Zealander ?”
  
  Yes. Every country on earth has it’s problems and it’s dark side. That’s no reason not to be patriotic.
  
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  October 19, 2017 6:38pm
  - dad4justice
    
    So you proud that we lead the world in child abuse and youth suicide? Get a grip Yank!
    
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    October 19, 2017 6:40pm
    - cmm
      
      “So you proud that we lead the world in child abuse and youth suicide?”
      
      No we don’t
      
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      October 19, 2017 6:42pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Yes we do nitwit.
        
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        October 19, 2017 6:47pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      No I’m proud that we do a lot of things very well, and that compared to many other countries this is a pretty damn good place to live. Yes we have issues and challenges like the ones you mention, all countries have their issues as I said. That’s no reason not to feel pride at the good things, or to piss all over your country.
      
      Hey, if you don’t like it. go live somewhere else.
      
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      October 19, 2017 6:44pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Hey Yank I am kiwiborn not a import this country has gone to the dogs.
        
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        October 19, 2017 6:49pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        ” am kiwiborn not a import”
        
        And yet I’m more patriotic than you. Traitor! 🙂
        
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        October 19, 2017 6:51pm
- UpandComer
  
  National had all the policies to fix it – welfare time limits ffs. The holy grail. And social investment poised for billions of inputs. It’s all going to get sacrificed so the middle class get their free fucking BA’s.
  
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