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Nurse for Hugh, please..
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October 18, 2017 8:01am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Former NZ PM becomes banker – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/former-nz-pm-becomes-banker/
  
  … Pavletich comment on MB thread …
  
  HOW COULD ANZ BE SO STUPID ?
  
  We have much to thank current NZ caretaker PM Bill English and Governor Graeme Wheeler of the Reserve Bank of NZ for … but most definitely not former PM John Key (originally from Merrill Lynch not Goldman Sachs incidentally).
  
  The damage this clown has done will become increasingly apparent before long.
  
  The Great Pretender … Freddie Mercury … Youtube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRjFWDGs1g
  
  Key failed himself, the National Party and his country.
  
  Check out the following on my archival website … and draw your own conclusions … PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING …
  
  http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
  1. VIDEO INTERVIEW John Key – Housing Reform – 2007
  2. The 5 Important Graphs
  3. The GONE GONE GOING section
  
  Unfortunately for caretaker PM National Party Bill English, the Police released his interview yesterday … where I comment on thread …
  
  Listen: Bill English’s police statement on Todd Barclay … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97962326/Listen-Bill-Englishs-police-statement-on-Todd-Barclay?cid=app-iPad
  
  Paulson
  
  This whole sorry (Barclay) saga reflects badly on then PM Key, then Finance Minister English and National Party President Goodfellow.
  
  The three of them should have immediately taken steps on learning of this, to exit Barclay from the Clutha electorate … sending a very clear message of the standards expected of those associated with the National Party.
  
  Just another example of the Key ‘can kicking’ culture these past 9 years.
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:17pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … MEDIA REPORT … PRE – ELECTION
    
    … How could PM English and Deputy PM Bennett have been so dumb ?
    
    … Perception is reality in politics …
    
    National Party auctions off ice axe signed by Sir Edmund Hillary to raise funds for campaign … Nicole Lawton … Fairfax New Zealand
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96019247/national-party-auctions-off-ice-axe-signed-by-sir-edmund-hillary-to-raise-funds-for-campaign
    
    … extracts …
    
    … But perhaps the greater attraction was the opportunity to meet the Prime Minister and his deputy, Paula Bennett, to pose for photos with them, to schmooze.
    
    The Prime Minister put himself up for auction: one lucky (and wealthy) donor and 10 close friends won the a dinner date with the English, “at your favourite restaurant” after the election. (Cost of the dinner not included).
    
    A Chinese community leader said such appearances would hold enormous prestige within the culture.
    
    “The implied Chinese business culture is around guanxi, which means relationship. Whoever won that dinner would be highly regarded because they hold a special bond with New Zealand Prime Minister.”
    
    They said if the dinner went well, the successful bidder might enjoy increased business opportunities in the future because of it. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Crony Chronicles: I Want To Be A Crony – YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aO9tA5DWJM
    
    … Johan Norberg explains what ethical Capitalism is all about …
    
    The Real Adam Smith: Morality and Markets – Full Video … YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6S6pMsKzlI
    
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    October 18, 2017 1:27pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/former-nz-pm-becomes-banker/#comment-2982460
      
      Harry Truman’s obsolete integrity – The New York Times
      
      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/opinion/02iht-edjacoby.4775315.html
      
      BOSTON — When Harry Truman left the White House in 1953, historian David McCullough records, “he had no income or support of any kind from the federal government other than his Army pension of $112.56 a month. He was provided with no government funds for secretarial help or office space, not a penny of expense money.”
      
      One of the reasons Truman and his wife moved back into their far-from-elegant old house in Independence, Missouri, “was that financially they had little other choice.”
      
      Nevertheless, Truman refused to cash in on his celebrity and influence as a former president. He turned down lucrative offers, such as the one from a Florida real-estate developer inviting him to become “chairman, officer, or stockholder, at a figure of not less than $100,000.” He would not make commercial endorsements, accept “consulting” fees, or engage in lobbying.
      
      “I could never lend myself to any transaction, however respectable,” Truman later wrote, “that would commercialize on the prestige and dignity of the office of the presidency.” He did sell the rights to his memoirs for a handsome sum to Life magazine. But he turned down every other enticement to trade on his former position for private gain. …
      
      … concluding …
      
      … Clearly the age when former presidents could find themselves in dire financial straits is long gone. Sadly, so is the sense of integrity and propriety that once kept men like Truman from devoting their post-presidency to money- grubbing. It wasn’t only the buck that stopped with the 33d president. The avarice did, too.
      
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      October 18, 2017 6:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The country will know which way NZ First will go on Thursday afternoon | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98014240/labours-deputy-kelvin-davis-says-all-will-be-revealed-by-thursday-morning
        
        A new government will be announced on Thursday afternoon when NZ First declares the result of its negotiations with National and Labour.
        
        NZ First leader Winston Peters has spoken to both Bill English and Jacinda Ardern and, amongst other things, he’s told them he’ll make his decision on Thursday.
        
        Peters didn’t front media on Wednesday – it’s understood he left the building out a back entrance after an all-day meeting with his caucus wrapped up … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:19pm
    - Ken
      
      Not sure how many of the dinners actually happened, but I think you are missing the point here. whoever won that dinner made a donation to the National party showing their support to the Chinese MP and the party. PM attends private dinners all the time, and mostly with leaders in all sectors including business. The Chinese respect leaders, that’s why they feel honoured to have the chance to dine with the PM. You are saying it as if the Chinese are trying to trick the PM into some under table deal by guanxi, however, this has shown how guanxi is misunderstood.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:30pm
- Nookin
  
  What follows next, Starb’d, is all your bloody fault!!!!!!!
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:15pm
calendar girl

Twenty-five days since the General Election. Life goes on without any of them.
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October 18, 2017 8:03am
- dime
  
  holy shit, really? lol didnt realise it was that long.
  
  i gave up caring on the monday.
  
  im even at peace with chompers as PM. fuck em all
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:19am
  - Gabby
    
    dim’s geddin apatheddic
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:26am
  - Viking2
    
    That will last until she doubles his tax to spend on Labour troughers. Dime will then go offshore like Amazon.
    That’ll teach her. 😆
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:34pm
- billmurray
  
  I’m picking Xmas or early New year, about Feb!!!.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:25am
  - labrator
    
    There’s 6 weeks from the 12th of October to form a government. WinstonFirst has heaps of time. I’m happy if we just bide our time and go to another election…
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:43am
    - sooty
      
      The voting would be alot different I’m picking!
      
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      October 18, 2017 12:32pm
    - KevOB
      
      Unless both Labour and National know they can tame and corral the Winston flailing mind they should call the dealings off.
      
      Some of what is proposed is outrageous and seemingly irrational: I fear Winston may have passed his used by date. A pity, but life does catch up–that cannot rule the body politic.
      
      There’s is still time for a fresh election or grand coalition.
      
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      October 18, 2017 7:07pm
  - Fletch
    
    That’ll go down well with the Christmas Pud… not.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:31am
  - MH
    
    Could you give us the year pls?
    
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    October 18, 2017 2:59pm
- chris
  
  Brilliant isn’t it? “No government is a way of life” ??
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    If only we could get the all journalist to stick a pie in it.
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:34pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True chris but it is proving too much for the Media party resorting to fake news.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:07pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yep, the Belgians are used to it, perhaps 3 years of caretaker govt could work here. Just think of it no iwi settlements, no dumb shifts in govt policy, no dumb infrastructure (like trams in Auckland).
    
    Life would be sweet as…..
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:55pm
- Maxx
  
  I still don’t understand why the initial talks couldn’t begin on the Monday post-election. Weren’t they for the first week going through policies, looking at areas in common and flexibility.
  Then the next week start going through the tradeoffs.
  
  The only pleasing thing about the negotiations taking this long is that it gives the impression neither capitulated to NZF demands which Winnie may have been expecting them to do. Of course, it could also mean that they are giving everything away and now he doesn’t know which way to turn!
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:47am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    It might have been a waste of time if the specials ruled NZF out or gave the Greens a higher percentage than NZF so they were the ‘junior’ party, or ruled the Greens out.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:25am
    - Maxx
      
      It may have given GRN more votes than NZF, Labour would still need NZF, so it doesn’t really change the dynamic. What was Labour going to do, state that the Greens had more power now? Fine, I’ll go with Nats.
      
      Even if the GRN’s received all of the specials, they would still need NZF. And the only way GRN’s wouldn’t be there is if they didn’t receive any (unlikely).
      
      Either way, no reason you can’t start talking about policies, areas of commonality, areas of compromise, and areas of conflict.
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:43am
  - Fletch
    
    True that. No matter how the Specials turned out, it never would have been enough to drastically alter the outcome. Pretty much everyone knew that.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:32am
- thedavincimode
  
  Exactly.
  
  It’s amusing to see the so-called media putting the boot into the dodgy old drunk after their excited affair with rescinderella, but to be fair to the old git, it’s not unreasonable for him to have to work through a policy agenda with National. Less of an issue though with rescinderella given her policy platform was to conjure houses out of thin air, appoint a committee to increase taxes and be relentlessly positive (whatever that means).
  Edit: oh, and to just fix everything.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:04am
  - simo
    
    When is the tooth fairy going to realise that “Marxism” and “relentlessly positive” is an oxymoron – with emphasis on the moron bit!
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:31am
    - fylde
      
      6 months of Taxcinda in power will make that clear to the NZ electorate
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:50am
      - MH
        
        I used to worried about this overhang parliament business but now it’s just her teeth that worries me.
        
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        October 18, 2017 3:02pm
    - Gabby
      
      What’s marxism got to do with anything simpo, did your brain just shit itself.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:00am
- publicwatchdog
  
  In 2005 it took ONE month from the date of the election, 17 September 2005, until the Labour Coalition Government was announced on 17 October 2005.
  
  Lest we forget.
  
  Penny Bright
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:01pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    The voters appeared to forget about you Ms Waterwoman. Where did it all go wrong?
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:31pm
    - sooty
      
      The day she got a fat head!
      
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      October 18, 2017 12:37pm
  - Nermal
    
    A short, clear post making a good point. Who are you and what have you done with our Penny?
    
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    October 18, 2017 2:11pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    “Lest we forget” is almost sacred. Don’t use it willy nilly. Best you remember to pay your rates. Now do us all a favour and go and investigate the inner workings of your arse. Oh, and Fuck Off. (Lest I forget).
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:15pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    See?
    I Spray And Walk Away
    Rubbish Stays
    I walk away
    
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    October 18, 2017 6:16pm
PhilBest

I want to start trend to rants about driver incompetence. I am convinced that there is an epidemic like the invasion of the body-snatchers, where there are more and more, worse and worse drivers out there on our roads. And I am not referring to scofflaw boy-racer types, I am referring to brain-dead, inattentive, incompetent and inconsiderate types.

With our authorities focusing on speed, speed, speed, and revenue-gathering, I am convinced that there is a class of drivers out there, growing in number, who care only about driving slow “because that makes them saints”. They might not seem to be causing bad accidents by their infuriating habits everywhere they go, but there ultimately has to be some consequences for safety and the outcomes of the unexpected.
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October 18, 2017 8:05am
- PhilBest
  
  One example: people who do not indicate when turning right around a roundabout. Now every other failure to indicate at a roundabout, i.e. failure to indicate a “left”, is relatively harmless because the driver is not turning across someone else.
  
  But whatever publicity and policing we have had on the subject, has pushed a confusing set of guidelines where you indicate at all times, even when you are going straight ahead; you start with your right indicator on and then flick it left. Look, there should be a blitz on charging and fining the idiots who still do not indicate a “right”; and if this habit is an indication of their level of stupidity, there is probably a lot of other stupid things they also do in their daily driving routine.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:10am
  - G152
    
    The trouble with signalling turning on roundabouts is that most of them are so small that you don’t have time to signal when going straight through.
    And turning right invokes a lot of people who don’t understand the Road Code
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:13am
    - Andrei
      
      The problem is the powers that be have written a confusing law without reference to the real world roundabouts that people encounter as they go about their daily business.
      
      You are supposed to indicate left as you are about exit but in the real world that is often impossible
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:21am
      - Kabull
        
        Equally frustrating yet so obvious are those who do not indicate left when they approach the exit they are aiming for. How many times have you sat at an entry waiting for the vehicle on your right to come past, only to find the inconsiderate bugger heaves off to the left and goes out the exit before yours.
        Roundabout requirements are really very simple and logical – its just that we all need to understand the intention of the rules AND THINK ABOUT OTHER DRIVERS.
        Perhaps the most dangerous misunderstanding comes from those who think that there is a ‘straight through’ in a roundabout. Absolutely not. Even if the road you want appears to lead straight out from the one you are on, it is still strictly speaking a left hand turn. I settled this with my kids by teaching that one must think of a roundabout as a normal (straight) piece of road that happens to go in a curve – and ANY departure from that road requires an indication. The only variation is the requirement to indicate right if you are going ‘right’ – and that is entirely due to the need to let those waiting at the preceding exits that you have the right of way.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:42am
      - jcuk
        
        My understanding of the rule/law is that you should give a three second indication of what you intend to do … which is impossible unless you are going at a snails pace around most round-abouts.
        In my regular route I have a right-left-right all in the distance of a stone throw by a good cricketer. Tricky but possible as I have trained myself to usually do, except when I am dodging a large bus in the inside lane 🙂
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:44am
      - Andrei
        
        Perhaps the most dangerous misunderstanding comes from those who think that there is a ‘straight through’ in a roundabout. Absolutely not. Even if the road you want appears to lead straight out from the one you are on, it is still strictly speaking a left hand turn.
        
        You don’t have time on a small roundabout to make that signal – the law says that you should indicate at least 3 seconds before making the “turn” but on a tight roundabout controlling a crossroads you cannot indicate until passed the first left exit and by the time you do indicate you are off the roundabout.
        
        There are several tight roundabouts in my area where it is literally impossible to fully comply with the laws regarding indicating and roundabouts because they conflict with one another.
        
        There is also the issue of indicating left when engaged in a very tight right hand turn if your indicator stalk is on the left of the steering column as mine is – marginally more easy if the indicator stalk is on the right but still clumsy to accomplish.
        
        Rules which are logical and easy to follow on a large radius roundabouts don’t work so well on tight small ones
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:54am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right Andrei. Roundabouts are a sad excuse for traffic control since too many do not understand them. Most don’t know when to go or that traffic only flows from the right. Toot-Toot
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:17pm
    - Fletch
      
      The trouble with signalling turning on roundabouts is that most of them are so small that you don’t have time to signal when going straight through.
      
      Right. It’s understandable for the big multi-lane roundabouts on main roads, but for little ones about town it’s kind of pointless.
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:34am
  - PhilBest
    
    Because there is a certain number of drivers not indicating a “right”, there is a correlating frustration in the form of drivers who are over-cautious at roundabouts, making traffic flow probably half as efficient as it should be. That is, they treat the roundabout like a compulsory stop, and once stopped, they sit there looking at the traffic coming the other way, in a state of semi-frozen fear that one of them will be the non-indicating right-turner who might collide with them if they proceeded.
    
    But even worse, there is a class of driver, growing in number, who crawl up to a roundabout and then sit at it frozen in fear (or something) even when there is absolutely no traffic to be seen in a any direction! Maybe they think a roundabout is a designated “driver tea-break point” or something?
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:15am
  - Dead Earnest
    
    ….And sitting in the right lane of a Motorway at just on the speed limit, so that you have to overtake on the left to get past….
    In Europe and the UK this is against the law, a flash of the lights quickly moves someone to the slow lane over there.
    And UKs road toll is about half ours on a per capita basis. Go figure!
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:18am
    - PhilBest
      
      And the ones who drive everywhere at 40 km/h or less, on 50 km/h roads.
      
      The self-righteousness of many of these people is so bad that when overtaken, perfectly legally, many of them will flip out into road rage and suddenly display high-speed and stunt driving skills in efforts to get back in front / run you off the road etc etc. I am also convinced that there is a class of ferals who use obstructive driving as a route to “getting to smash someone because I feel like it today”; and when in court for assault, they plead the defence that the guy they “smashed” was a “dangerous driver” who overtook them – and they always have their floozy and at least one mukapuna on board so as to plead the “protective red blooded male” thing. And limp judges going along with the “speeding is the new paedophilia” racket, let them off with a wet-bus-ticket wrist-slap.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:29am
      - jcuk
        
        There is nothing wrong with driving below the ‘speed limit’ and I do this a lot of the time …. BUT … I am continually glancing in my mirror and endeavor to let vehicles catching up with me get past … BUT what frustrates hell out of me are those who force their way past at unsafe spots. Impatient bastards usually, rarely bitches 🙂
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:54am
    - PhilBest
      
      I learned an interesting fact recently when taking part in a discussion forum for urban highway policy. There is a “maximum flow rate” for highway lanes because above a certain speed, following distances have to increase so much, that space for cars is lost. This is apparently somewhere round 2300 to 2500 vehicles per hour, at around 100 km/h. When people are driving faster and following too close, a figure of 3000+ has been achieved.
      
      Then when you get more cars trying to use the highway, than what its flow rate will allow, you get stop-start, bumper-to-bumper flow of less than 1000 per hour, and the other 1000+ vehicles are tailed back onto suburban collector roads.
      
      Policy makers around the world generally work on 2000 to 2300 per hour in their calculations and forecasts, before breakdown congestion happens. But in NZ, our peak flow almost never hits 1800 and often breaks down into congestion at 1600!
      
      The only explanation, has to be our shit-headed right-lane-hogging class of drivers that our authorities refuse to do anything about.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:42am
    - srylands
      
      Yep. I flash my lights at them but it usually has no effect.
      
      True story. A few months back. Driving on the Wellington motorway. Driver in the right lane. Doing 90. Next to a car in the left lane. Doing 90. WTF.
      
      I flashed my lights at him. Repeatedly. Then, and I swear to God this is what happened, the guy braked and stopped, still in the right lane of the motorway.
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:02am
      - PhilBest
        
        I can believe that; it is the sheer self-righteousness that is beyond belief. I hold the Policing policy makers very responsible for the broader propaganda and policy approach that fosters this self-righteous mind-set. It is a sign that things have gone too far in one direction, when self-righteous gittery is getting out of hand to this extent.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:18am
  - Simon
    
    Royal Oak round about is a retard magnet
    
    It draws retards to it from all over Auckland like moths to a flame. They could drive another way but the pull of Royal Oak roundabout is too strong for mongs everywhere across Auckland.
    
    On the roads every one in twenty is driven by a hard core Green voter. It is worse in the main cities. That is every twentieth car is driven by someone so confused but so righteous they shouldn’t be behind the wheel. This is a basic road safety fact.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:20am
    - PhilBest
      
      You sure said it!
      
      “…every one in twenty is driven by a hard core Green voter. It is worse in the main cities. That is every twentieth car is driven by someone so confused but so righteous they shouldn’t be behind the wheel…”
      
      Wellington Central has to be ground zero for this shite. On right-turns from traffic lights, often only the asswipe at the front, or maybe one or two behind, get through on the green signal, because the asswipe at the front took the entire green signal duration to release the handbrake, put the car in gear, have a gaze around, and start to move at mobility-scooter acceleration rates.
      
      And traffic needing to get through the city because important destinations are out the other side of it from them, have their way choked not only by the inadequate roads that local watermelons impose on the rest of us, but by the watermelons themselves out there driving in ways that surely must be deliberately calculated to sabotage the road network’s contribution to economic efficiency.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:35am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Shouldn’t the Green voters be on bikes? But you are right about attitude. American four-way stop intersections (they have a pathological hatred for roundabouts) used to scare me, personal injury litigation and all of that, but I’ve since learned that you don’t have to worry about identifying who arrived first, the others will wave you through if you don’t get it right. Such polite people on the road.
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:23am
      - labrator
        
        There used to be a four way stop in Wellington, on Abel Tasman I think. Was hilarious the few times I used it. NZ drivers do not understand the road rules well enough to know who should go so just gave way to everyone else.
        
        I’ve just searched it, apparently it go so confusing for Kiwi drivers they had to install lights on it!… you can’t make this stuff up… $200k dollars because Kiwis don’t know how to work out who got there first…
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:55am
    - Ultima
      
      The same Green voters that would indicate right and then left when going straight through. This drives me nuts, they should be ticketed and forced to vote for National.
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:06am
      - stigie
        
        “This drives me nuts, they should be ticketed and forced to vote for National.”
        
        No, please don’t send the hemp sock sandal wearing smelling hairy arm pits hippies our way..?
        
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        October 18, 2017 11:41am
      - chwaga
        
        You have my vote Ultima…that is just so frustrating. You think that they are turning right only to find that they are going straight through
        
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        October 18, 2017 1:29pm
  - VicParking
    
    Please tell me how you can turn in any direction but right at a roundabout. When you see a car entering a roundabout , unless they are a nimwitt like Phil, you asume they are turning right. You indicate left before you turn out of a roundabout. Roundbouts are so small in NZ that by the time you click left and the person you are indicating to has realise you are out of the round about and are gone.
    Drivers in NZ have no Idea how and when to indicate. You Indicate, de-accelerate, break and turn. It seems in NZ the method is break then Indicate and turn at the same time.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:42am
    - PhilBest
      
      “…When you see a car entering a roundabout , unless they are a nimwitt like Phil, you asume they are turning right…”
      
      Really? They can’t be going straight ahead? Most cars by far don’t go straight ahead? And even more by proportion who are not indicating, are going straight ahead? It isn’t just the nitwits who turn right without indicating, who are the problem?
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:44am
      - VicParking
        
        You only go round a roundabout by turning right. i.e. CLOCKWISE I have yet to see a roundabout in NZ where you enter it and go round it by going left. ANTI-CLOCKWISE Going round a roundabout you turn your steering wheel downwards on the right side. The only way you leave a roundabout is by turning left. Steering wheel down on the left side.
        
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        October 18, 2017 10:13am
      - VicParking
        
        Read the rules
        https://nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-riding/giving-way-at-roundabouts/
        You only signal left when leaving a roundabout
        
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        October 18, 2017 10:18am
  - thedavincimode
    
    I’ll see your no right indicator at the roundabout and raise you one 80kph driver speeding up to 105 kph in the passing lane.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:10am
    - PhilBest
      
      That too! True story: an old git driving a RAV4 on the winding main road north in the Warkworth area, driving at 80 km/h until each passing lane, at which point he sped up to “whatever speed necessary” to head off anyone trying to pass him – 140 km/h at one point – before dropping back to 80 again. And the queue behind was getting longer and longer.
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:22am
      - thedavincimode
        
        You’ve certainly outbid me there. 85 to c. 120 kph was my worst experience. I can recall wanting to re-enact the concluding scene in Easy Rider.
        
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        October 18, 2017 11:26am
  - marcw
    
    Just sayin’, if you are going straight ahead through a roundabout, then you don’t indicate right at all … you just indicate left as you are approaching your exit.
    
    People in glass houses …
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:31am
  - Gabby
    
    What is wrong with you philthiest. What’s the point in indicating right when everyone is travelling clockwise? You’re just confusing everyone. Indicate left when you’re about to exit, indicate when you change lanes, you great nit.
    
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    October 18, 2017 11:07am
- PhilBest
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:27am
- srylands
  
  Three of mine.
  
  Drivers who are planted firmly in the right hand lane of the motorway, and who won’t move over to let you pass. Ever.
  
  Inability to signal on roundabouts.
  
  Drivers who will not switch on their headlights in light so bad that 99.8 % of other drivers have switched on their lights.
  
  People who can’t merge on the motorway. No you don’t dawdle on the on ramp at 70 kmh.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:28am
  - thedavincimode
    
    You don’t seem to realise that the right hand lane blockers are sent by G** to act as a pace car.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:12am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      To cause accidents??????
      
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      October 18, 2017 6:22pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    In fact your lane-blocker gripe reminds me that many moons ago, the MOT somewhat inexplicably decided to try and do something about this and prosecuted some such munter for failing to keep left. The judge, by all accounts also a serial offender in this regard, dismissed the charge on the basis that the keep left rule referenced the lane the vehicle was in and not a motorway lane.
    
    I think the system works best in Europe where anyone dwardling in even a middle lane let alone the outside lane is rewarded with Lamborghini with flashing lights and a bull horn up the arse at 200 kph.
    
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    October 18, 2017 11:37am
- labrator
  
  I put the blame squarely on the police & ACC for this. The message for the last 20 years by all forms of advertising is that speed, and speed alone, kills. Therefore if you do the speed limit, or preferably less, you’re going to be just fine. The result of this is that driver competence has plummeted… Daily I see just out and out inability to cope with everyday road conditions. People coming on an onramp at 60km/hr and then having no ability to merge, just pull up on the hard shoulder and sit there with their indicator on waiting for a big enough gap to pull into. How did they get a drivers license?? Absolutely mind bogglingly dangerous but it’s ok, they’re not “speeding”…
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:50am
  - MH
    
    this revolves about a roundabout way of saying
    “It’s OK when the Left does it”
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:08pm
    - labrator
      
      Did you mean to reply to me? Because I have no idea what you’re saying.
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:09pm
      - MH
        
        no-it was about the indicating at roundabouts above your comment. Sorry. 2 others understood thank God.
        
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        October 19, 2017 4:05pm
oldpark

A simple reminder for NZ First MPs Mr Ron Mark ,and Mr Shane Jones.
National Party 56 seats
Labour Party 46 seats.
Extra votes for National 200,000.
The dreams and schemes of the voters of NZ can be confirmed and satisfied in a common sense way. The only way. Nationals 56 Seats beats the hell out of Labours 46 seats. Two ticks “Blue”said it all .
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October 18, 2017 8:08am
- Maxx
  
  Which way are the different members of caucus wanting to go?
  
  Do you think it is somewhat evenly split? I would imagine in this case Winston would be the decider, even if it were slightly against.
  
  Or is it possible 2/3 are against what he wants to do?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:23am
  - fylde
    
    caucus? – it is follow the leader with NZF
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:52am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Simon says?
      
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      October 18, 2017 1:28pm
    - Maxx
      
      Whats to stop the party splitting if it’s not happy with Heir Winston?
      
      He’ll be keenly aware of this and another 1996 will not be the legacy he is looking for.
      
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      October 18, 2017 1:50pm
- KKKKatee
  
  It would be a travesty imo if NZ First go with the watermelons. Jacinda Ardern clearly concede defeat on Election night. She knew it was all over rover. As you say, 200,000 extra votes for national says it all. I’m not confident Winston’s team are all that flash really. What a shambles.
  The problem with Winston is that he contradicts himself all the time.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:30am
  - PhilBest
    
    “…he contradicts himself all the time…”
    
    Exactly, which is what finally finished Richard Prosser’s adulation of Peters. It is noticeable how many “teams” of colleagues Winnie has gone through during his career. I mean, couldn’t he have kept on, any of them, into his next comeback? Michael Laws? Terry Heffernan? Peter Brown? Rana Waitai? His own brothers?
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:30am
    - KKKKatee
      
      My understanding is that she had 3 months salary up her sleeve when she resigned. MP’s who haven’t been relected after an election certainly do. Would someone please correct me if I’ve got this wrong.
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:38am
  - Rich Prick
    
    How can Winston go into a coalition with a party he can’t even bring himself to talk to? Still, spare a thought for Materia if he does go with the Greens and the other mob. All those designer frocks hanging alone in a wardrobe with no where to go. How sad, never mind. By the way, does anyone know if she’s back on the benefit?
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:04am
    - sooty
      
      I believe a couple of days before chrissy.
      
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      October 18, 2017 12:48pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True K but there may be some level of difference between the different factions within his party. Indications are that the board were less than unified on the policy negotiations. Extra time needed to get through it. IMO there are 3 factions in play with WP, caucus and the board and it might not be the usual cake walk for the old geezer.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:30pm
Notsofast

Overall a promising day for Mark Lundy. The judges never showed any impatience, Jonathan Eaton opened with the crime scene evidence, covering everything.
The blood shadow, the jewelry box, the bracelet, the unknown male dna and the unidentified cloth fibers under all fingernails, the stranger hairs clutched in Christine’s dead hand, the changed time of death that was as impossible as the first one, the paint flecks found that were ruled out as emanating from Mark’s locked garage, the unidentified fingerprints where the perps broke in, the unidentified shoe print, the new petrol evidence scientifically showing the 35 liter deficit, the changed motive.
For example the careful planning was now replaced with a snap decision after the 8 30 phone call from the business associate, so Jonathan queried how the evidence was disposed of BEFORE he climbed into his forensically clean car. Clearly no item could go anywhere near it. The checked motel drains in Petone, the mechanics of getting the spots to the polo shirt he chose not to throw out. The normal behaviour in the morning.

As first break came, Jonathan pointed out that the advanced dna test that revealed cow sheep and pig dna was commissioned by the crown to rule out cooking spatter, but in fact achieved a glorious own goal, which was obviously another detail missed by the jury

Out, out damned spot! Out, I say!

Compelling watching on delayed stream

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11933599
Will the prosecutors try a novel approach, will they confront the crime scene evidence head on or retreat to the cover of crooked little Texan Rod Miller and his uncredentialled side kick, Daniel du Plessis.
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October 18, 2017 8:08am
- starboard
  
  Who did it then Mark?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:09am
  - Notsofast
    
    I paraphrase it as follows:
    
    1. There were many other suspects, 31 in all.
    
    2. Maybe it was Weggery.
    
    3. Maybe it was a nutty guy who lived in the neighborhood.
    
    4. Or maybe the crime arose from a large debt for which creditors had threatened one of Lundy’s associates, on the day of the murders, such that the associate called police and called Lundy to warn him (and thereafter raised enough money to save his own life).
    
    It makes me wince. This is like painting a gold bar brown and tossing it into a bucket of rusted scrap iron.
    Maybe they sent someone to threaten him, but he was not home, so his family got killed instead.
    
    Oh, and no internet in prison, so not Mark.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:17am
    - srylands
      
      Yeah maybe. If the brain tissue evidence is discredited then, fair enough, it is an unsafe conviction.
      
      Yet I can never forget the fake “grief” at the funeral. Watching the guy it is comical. I have seen a friend in shock at the death of his wife in unexpected circumstances. I have seen grief. You can’t fake it. Well maybe a consummate actor could. But Lundy failed.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:37am
      - Notsofast
        
        Did you read the evidence list I posted? Given none of it is disputed by the crown, where does Mark Lundy apear to have been when his family were being killed?
        This is not a game of cluedo, it is a real world where science logic and common sense unite, crime solved.
        The suspect list is very likely to include the killer, the case is far from cold.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:44am
      - srylands
        
        Just to explain the giveaway at the funeral. Lundy was faking “collapse”. So he wanted to show that he was so overcome that he could not stand.
        
        He let his legs go. He therefore had to be held up by putting his arms around the shoulders of two friends. One on each side of him. However that requires great arm strength. Lundy was supporting all of his weight on his arms.
        
        If people fully or partially collapse from shock, they lose all muscle strength. They do NOT lose the ability to use their legs, but magically retain a high level of strength in their arms.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:50am
      - Notsofast
        
        Funeral scenes are often exploited by prosecutors, the public lap it up. Read the case of Darlie Routier, who is on death row. Proper investigators focus exclusively on the crime scene before casting a wider net for evidence. The list I posted is undisputed, so it makes the funeral scene irrelevant. It was scientifically, logistically impossible for Mark Lundy to be at the crime scene. The funeral scene is of no interest to proper investigators. They exist in the Lundy case, but the police will not listen to them. But of course we have Arthur Thomas, David Tamihere, and Teina Pora to attest to how that works.
        It really is time for a talented race of doers like NZers to focus on this woefully neglected region.
        Maybe Amy Adams will be bashful about declaring the system works this time around. She is beyond deluded.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:59am
      - srylands
        
        I didn’t say that his funeral fake grief is evidence to convict. I am simply saying that Lundy was a total flaky fake at the funeral.
        
        If your evidence list is right and his conviction is quashed, that won’t change. He was pretending to ‘collapse’ from grief and shock at the funeral.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:07am
    - Happychappy
      
      The body language he portrays in his appearance in the courtroom makes him look like a psychopath with his eyes and facial expressions running wild.
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:38am
      - Notsofast
        
        We are trying to solve a murder here Happychappy. Did you read the uncontested evidence list I posted? Does that allow for Mark to be the killer?
        Do you not see that the appeal process is on trial here, and that Mark Lundy is being treated like a laboratory rat?
        
        By the way the voting on the evidence list is a proxy IQ test for kiwibloggers. It should be amusing but it ain’t really, it’s rather depressing.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:46am
      - Happychappy
        
        It has been solved he has been found Guilty twice.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:00am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        A list posted anonymously on a blog is hardly “uncontested evidence” Notsofast. You seem to have an overly-inflated opinion of your importance.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:05am
      - Notsofast
        
        That is an odd solution when you study the evidence that is all over the crime scene, where not one vestige of Mark Lundy could help the prosecutors.
        The reality is that without activists like Pat Booth, Jim Sprott, Tim Mackinnel, both Arthur Thomas and Teina Pora would have different wiki entries. Those cases were both solved twice by juries of twelve good people.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:05am
      - Notsofast
        
        Keeping Stock, that list is from Jonathan Eaton in a court of law. There are no transcripts from an appeal hearing, so there is no legal record. However I suggest you tune in to hear Morgan and your very own Ben Vanderkolk try to crawl out from under the rock Jonathan Eaton has rolled on top of them.
        Mad Max Thunderdome, two go in, one comes out.
        Glorious.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:15am
      - KKKKatee
        
        In the end, forensics will get him. It usually does.
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:57am
      - KKKKatee
        
        His behaviour after the murders was odd as well. Haven’t got the book in front of me. But any sane person would come to the conclusion that a man who has lost his wife and daughter in appalling circumstances would most likely not behave like he was having a good time after it happened. Forensics win in the end.
        
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        October 18, 2017 10:00am
      - GoVege
        
        Thank you so much for not including David Bain in that list, Notsofast! 🙂
        
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        October 18, 2017 10:50am
    - Gabby
      
      they sent someone to threaten him, but he was not home, so his family got killed instead
      
      You reckon that would work then. As a debt collection method. So they’ve been paid off.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    some Puerto Riccan guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t08KGZ_iA_A
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:07am
- softail 1450
  
  NSF,did you mean “strangers hairs” if so why hasn’t this been as bigger deal as the “brain matter”.
  surely some unknown persons hair in her hand would exonerate Lundy ,what’s up with that has it been rightly dismissed ?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:48am
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    Maybe wily Morgan will rebut today. I thought I knew the case, but I recall they have been mentioned. It came as a bombshell to me to hear in a court of law that Christine Lundy got a handful of hair from her killer.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Again Notsofast, you are potentially making DPF a party to defamatory statements.
  
  If you’re going to accuse someone of being crooked or corrupt, do so on your own forum, under your own name. Involving DPF by making such allegations anonymously on his blog is simply cowardly.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:53am
  - Notsofast
    
    Rod Miller has been exposed in court yesterday by Jonathan Eaton as a crook. Follow the live stream. He has recused himself from any further activity in the case.
    A big boy did it and ran away. Disgusting.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:10am
- PhilBest
  
  One thing I’d like to ask, genuinely curious because I haven’t followed this case much – one of Lundy’s defenders claimed that there was a lack of motorists witnessing Lundy’s incredible feat of driving in a short time at that time of day, up SH1 to Palmerston North – given the road conditions and traffic volumes. If true, that argument does weigh quite substantially with me. You couldn’t do what Lundy did without 50 people ringing the cops to sic them onto this speeding lunatic. In fact the self-appointed rolling-roadblock class of drivers we are talking about above, should have made it impossible to even do it.
  
  What was the reasonable explanation? Genuinely curious.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:38am
  - fernglas
    
    wrong trial. at the second, it was a gentle amble up to PNth in the early hours of the morning
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:43am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Yes. I’ve recently read The Cause of Death written by a NZ Pathologist. He mentions the possibility that death may have occurred later than 7 p.m. The contents of Christine’s stomach has some interesting ‘red herrings’ if you like. So it appears she had more than McDonald’s for dinner earlier in the evening. It would appear she had eaten later in the evening…….
      Haven’t got the book in front of me – I’ve lent it to someone else to read so I can’t quote directly from the book.
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:06am
      - Notsofast
        
        Paul Little gave it a good review in North and South, a bastion of justice mongers.
        His legacy in New Zealand is being crystalised, he launched the opening salvo in the greatest injustice in modern New Zealand history.
        You read it here first kisskisskisskate
        
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        October 19, 2017 12:58am
Jack5

EAD and EADTwo are both going to need a cup of tea after they read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4989712/Neo-Nazi-National-organiser-comes-gay.html
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October 18, 2017 8:09am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Some Jewish guy in Britain with Swastikas in his living room says that he likes other men. Why should I care exactly?
  
  The thing that makes me laugh though how the sheeple think that Nazi=anti Jew when nothing could be further from the truth. The only thing the National Socialist movement was “anti” was every single tenant of Communism. Without Communism, National Socialism would never have got off the ground.
  
  The National Socialist Movements formed as a direct response to the Bolshevik Red Terrors that swept through Russia, Eastern Europe and even in Germany where Jews Rosa Luxumbourg & Karl Liebknecht tried to overthrow the German State in their failed Communist Revolution.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:37am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “The thing that makes me laugh though how the sheeple think that Nazi=anti Jew when nothing could be further from the truth.”
    
    Idiot. No EAD, it’s not sheeple, it’s anyone who has read Mein Kampf. I have. Have you? Not to mention over a dozen biographies and historical books about Hitler and the Nazis.
    
    Read what Hitler himself actually says in MK. He does not fault Jews for being communists, he says that as a race, without any connection to political issues, all Jews without exception are not human beings and are are vastly inferior to Ayrans.
    
    We have the words of the Nazis themselves, in MK, in speeches, and articles from the Nazi press at the time. Their central concern was race, not communism. They considered communism a result of the inferior races, primarily the Jews and the Slavic peoples. That’s you by the way. Have you read Hitler’s views about your own ethnic group?
    
    Until you have read primary source material like Mein Kampf, rather than whatever whackjob blogs you’re imbibing, you’re the sheeple.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:08am
    - tom hunter
      
      EAD would do much better as a White Supremacist if his National Socialist heros had not murdered so many, many white people:
      
      “We saw young men put against the wall and shot, and they’d close the street and then open it and you could pass by again…Don’t discount anything awful you hear or read about the Nazis. It’s worse than you could ever imagine.”
      
      That’s the utterly gorgeous, sweet and infinitely classy Audrey Hepburn talking about the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands that she lived through. The Netherlands FFS.
      
      But perhaps some old National Socialist can dig up her Jewish heritage and thereby demonstrate what a liar she was.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:31am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      To take Shawn’s comment a step further, here’s historian Timothy Snyder in an interview in The Atlantic about Hitler’s worldview
      
      Timothy Snyder: So what Hitler does is he inverts; he reverses the whole way we think about ethics, and for that matter the whole way we think about science. What Hitler says is that abstract thought—whether it’s normative or whether it’s scientific—is inherently Jewish. There is in fact no way of thinking about the world, says Hitler, which allows us to see human beings as human beings. Any idea which allows us to see each other as human beings—whether it’s a social contract; whether it’s a legal contract; whether it’s working-class solidarity; whether it’s Christianity—all these ideas come from Jews. And so for people to be people, for people to return to their essence, for them to represent their race, as Hitler sees things, you have to strip away all those ideas. And the only way to strip away all those ideas is to eradicate the Jews. And if you eradicate the Jews, then the world snaps back into what Hitler sees as its primeval, correct state: Races struggles against each other, kill each other, starve each other to death, and try and take land.
      
      Understanding Hitler’s Anti-Semitism
      
      I agree, not really about Communism at all.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:58am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “Anti-Semitism is the unifying element of the reconstruction of Germany.” – Alfred Rosenberg
    
    “I hope to see the very concept of Jewry completely obliterated.” – Himmler
    
    “We won’t waste much time on the Jews. It’s great to get to grips with the Jewish race at last. The more they die the better…” – Himmler
    
    “The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end, satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce, adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew uses every possible means to undermine the racial foundations of a subjugated people.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
    
    In all of these quotes Jews are treated as a race, all Jews, without any regard or reference to their political beliefs. This is why the Nuremberg laws made no reference to to Jews who were communists, but to all Jews, including conservative and pro-German patriotic Jews, who were persecuted and killed along with communist Jews.
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:28pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end, satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce
      
      Sounds a lot like Harvey Weinstein!
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:14pm
    - realityczech
      
      Netanyahu: Hitler Didn’t Want to Exterminate the Jews
      
      Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews,
      read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:18pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Here is Lev Davidovich Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky boasting of his plans for the Russia people:
        
        ‘We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one.
        
        We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars quake and pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence… At the moment, our young men in their leather jackets, who are the sons of watchmakers from Odessa, Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa, know how to hate everything Russian! What pleasure they take in physically destroying the Russian intelligentsia – officers, academics and writers!’
        
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        October 18, 2017 6:49pm
KKKKatee

Audrey Young has written a load of tripe today. Even she’s bored……
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October 18, 2017 8:19am
Paulus

Would I be alone in believing that the NZF Board and Caucus are not in harmony with what Winston wants.
I suggest that there is still much division between those members who think that the woman called Taxinderella is the answer to all New Zealand’s social ills and that by supporting her all will be resolved very quickly by such as they, comfortably well off, sherry drinkers can afford to pay more taxes – even Granny and Land Taxes. Their Legacy to Winston.
Then there are the more sober members who could never accept such Socialist forces who want their hardworking birthrights and savings plundered.
Winston has set a rod for his own bat by inviting participation in any decision he makes.
It is usual for him to ignore such niceties – perhaps Jones and Mark do not like political oblivion and a great MP’s screw as they are probably unemployable elsewhere.
At least I hope that both Elected Party leaders tell him to get stuffed – they will have the opportunity if they have the slightest inkling that there is disharmony in NZF.
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October 18, 2017 8:20am
- fluffykiwi
  
  The other NZ first MP’s could be flexing their muscle. Maybe Winnie cannot go it alone hence his one on one meetings to see what he can get for himself.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:24am
- Poppa
  
  It sure looks that way, there is no doubt factions within NZF. Particularly Tracey Martin I suspect.
  
  There is no winning in this for Peters, his party will be dust next time around
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:33am
- niggly
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if NZF’s resident leftie socialist Tracey Martin is the problem (with her cabal?) and is holding out for NZF go with Labour and bask in the glow of Jacindamania.
  
  Didn’t someone say here yesterday that the Martin family still has influence in the Party hierarchy?
  
  If so, perhaps Winston is treading carefully as they “know where the bodies are” so to speak!
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:56am
  - KKKKatee
    
    The rumour mill has it that Tracey Martin’s mother and sister are on the NZ First Board. Where do the hell does NZF get these people from? The sooner NZF implodes the better……
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:08am
    - Gabby
      
      That would never fly in hongkong kakkteeeee.
      
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      October 18, 2017 1:33pm
    - RF
      
      If it’s a hung decision who gets the final say as it’s not looking good for 100% agreement.
      
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      October 18, 2017 2:59pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Tracy martins sister was in charge of election campaign correspondence as well ,it’s a family affair we may have a wave of nepotism heading our way .
      
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      October 18, 2017 3:06pm
- Gabby
  
  Back.
  Rod for his own BACK.
  
  Why would you make a rod for your bat? Are you a cricketfish player?
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:29am
dime

well, the kiwi director of the new THOR film can go fuck himself:

“”I’m not very proud of coming from a place that everyone overseas thinks it’s this pure, clean, green country but, in reality, all our lakes and waterways are poison,” he said.

“We’ve got a lot to learn about looking after the environment. We’ve got a lot to learn about our depression rates, our suicide rates, teen suicide rates, child poverty numbers and the housing crisis,” the Boy director said.”

what a cocksucker.

our rivers are poison???

what kind of kiwi puts the boot into our little country? a country whos economy is based on tourism.
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October 18, 2017 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Kiwi or iwi?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:28am
- cmm
  
  Not even a cocksucker.
  
  Cocksuckers are useful to some people.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:30am
- chris
  
  Repeat a lie enough times…
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:36am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Over-breeding crisis – as specials attempt to regain numerical majority in their country.
  
  Every extra special needs a fresh Asian to pay for them however. So – good luck.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:57am
- Longknives
  
  He is a complete wanker Dime.
  Remember they gave him the ‘Coveted’ (Ha Ha) New Zealander of the Year Title after he threatened to punch John Key…
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:02am
  - dime
    
    ohh i didnt know that.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:22am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Taika Waititi is half Maori, half Jewish – what a combo!
  
  That’s one big chip on the shoulder right there. Also explains his career.
  
  Remember this advert he did:
  
  https://redice.tv/news/nz-anti-racism-campaign-target-whites
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps he should lecture Flint County instead.
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:10am
- Huevon
  
  This from a guy who owes his fame to a film he made about a poor, neglected Maori boy with a father in prison….he’s pretty proud of using stereotypes if there’s coin in it for him.
  
  Plus he fronted Dame Susan’s anti White propaganda campaign.
  
  Fucking hypocrite.
  
  PS. His movie about vampires was really shit.
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:19am
- Duxton
  
  I am surprised he didn’t mention child abuse rate, domestic violence rates, and high rates of incest amongst certain groups.
  Then again………………….
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:38am
  - MH
    
    and the wilful destruction of power poles.
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:21pm
- howitis
  
  Taika Cohen can stay with his sleazy mates and fellow tribesmen in Sillywood forever if he likes.
  
  He is a Hollywood director with all that implies.
  Not exactly flavour of the month right now.
  Is his casting couch 100% pure or a bit like our waterways?
  
  Does Mr Cohen speak of the poverty of the Hollywood wannabees that don’t make it and end up with depression and worse?
  Does he mention that those who ‘put out’ have a greater chance of making it?
  What is he doing to help them?
  …Or the 300,000 children in poverty in NZ….. Just thought I’d mention that crazy figure!
  
  People in glasshouses need to think wisely about throwing stones.
  Cohen/Waititi (whichever is convenient on the day) plays the Maori boy in NZ and the Jewish Gent in Hollywood.
  The Mirror has two Faces.
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:01pm
  - softail 1450
    
    does anybody know what he favours on his casting couch ,you can never tell in hollywierd …
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:13pm
- RF
  
  What an angry wanker. Not a good ambassador for NZ.
  
  He has a short selective memory concerning what he used to be like in his youth.
  
  A nasty piece of work…..
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:08pm
  - softail 1450
    
    I just realised ,he played “uncle bully”in once were Warriors ,how fitting.
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:26pm
    - howitis
      
      No, that was the very talented Cliff Curtis.
      
      Actual star of A list movies such as Columbian Pablo Escobar in ‘Blow’ ; Arab in ‘Three Kings’ ; Columbian Drug lord again vs. Arnie in ‘Collateral Damage’; Latino in ‘Training Day’ where Denzel got the Oscar; FBI dude in ‘Die Hard 4’.
      
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      October 18, 2017 6:01pm
dime

Warren Gatland teaches: Playing the Victim 101.

just fuck off ya prick. all he does before test matches is shit talk. now hes going on a cry to the herald tour.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11934100
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October 18, 2017 8:23am
- Kimbo
  
  Am inclined to agree dime:
  
  The coach has revealed he was especially unhappy at coverage surrounding the British and Irish Lions’ clash against his son Bryn’s side.
  
  He pinpointed a particular New Zealand Herald story that had upset him: a preview of the opening game where his son lined up for the Barbarians in Whangarei. The story was headlined “Gatland v Gatland”.
  
  “I felt there was a certain element that there was negativity… hearing some of stories that were written,” he told Radio Sport Breakfast.
  
  …”I can give you an example – the day before the first game against the Barbarians the headline in the New Zealand Herald was ‘Gatland to target Barbarians’ weakness – his son’. I thought it was a disgusting sort of headline. [I was] gutted by that.”
  
  “To me there was almost like an orchestrated campaign from day one by certain elements to try and unsettle me. So that was definitely challenging.”
  
  FFS, harden up! It was a legitimate and interesting angle, which, if as a sports journalist you didn’t highlight, you deserved to be fired! No more different than the two Graham brothers, Bob and John captaining the Auckland and Canterbury teams in the 1962 Ranfurly Shield match, with a famous photo of the two brothers side-by-side leading out their respective teams.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11898635
  
  Having said that, if I don’t see that fuck wit cartoonist Emerson in the NZ Herald drawing a clown’s nose on a visiting coach for another 20 years it will be 20 years too soon.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:19am
  - doggone7
    
    Gatland should be happy with the softly softly approach of the NZ media.
    
    Back (in his new) home they would’ve showed slow motion replays ad infinitum of the cheating had NZ players being doing the same stuff that the Lions indulged in. And seeing it game after game would have proclaimed loud and long that the play had obviously been coached into them.
    And there’d have been replays of the consistent poor refereeing which let them get away with it and the other diabolical shortcomings of the officials.
    
    The hands off, be nice to the visitors approach by our media was a lot different than what we get from the feral northern media.
    Gatland was fortunate that the All Blacks made so many unforced elementary errors which meant even with other things in their favour they still couldn’t win the series.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:39am
- Longknives
  
  “All he does before test matches is shit talk. now hes going on a cry to the herald tour.”
  
  Trash Talking? Crying about the Ref??
  Sounds like he is just perfect for the All Black job!
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:52am
  - dime
    
    the last AB coaches to cry about the media were the hacks mitchell and deans.
    
    i dont care if coaches have a crack at anyone. but this guy goes full bitch mode
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:53am
    - Longknives
      
      Eh? Graham Henry was fucking desperately trying to shut the Media down when all that O’Driscoll/Umaga stuff was going down..
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:06am
      - dime
        
        shut down vs “im the victim, they mentioned my son boo hoo”
        
        attack is fine. victim bitch mode from this clown is reminds me of veitch after he did what he did.
        
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        October 18, 2017 11:01am
    - Longknives
      
      Henry also went on the attack against the Media for reporting Doug Howlett’s little Panel-Beating escapade after the 2007 World Cup..
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:07am
      - RF
        
        Longknives….
        
        Pleased your archives are up to date as we need to remember about the actions of our mighty gods.
        
        I remember Umaga was once filmed by a TV crew staggering pissed down Cashel Mall. The word was put out and the TV station that I think was 3 was given the cold shoulder for over a year.
        
        I understand sour puss Henry was behind this.
        
        I am waiting for Ali Williams being made a hard drug consultant for the ABs and DC giving lectures to the ABs about drunken driving.
        
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        October 18, 2017 3:21pm
  - MH
    
    I think you mean the wallababies.
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:24pm
sooty

Where’s the master negotiator in all of this. Oh thats right he lives up to his name, Angry.
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October 18, 2017 8:24am
kowtow

A while ago the MSM attacked Trump over his look what happened in Sweden remark. The Swedish media went out of their way to deny it with alt facts .
This case is from one of the no go areas there created by Muslim immigration , only they don’t call them no go areas ,they are “especially vulnerable areas”.

‘Four men have been remanded in custody after they forcefully evicted shop workers in a Malmö grocery store – only to keep running the store themselves before police arrived to put an end to it.’

https://www.thelocal.se/20171017/gang-hijacked-malm-grocery-store-and-ran-it-as-normal-for-a-day

One of the crims is from Seved where it’s so bad the post couldn’t be delivered. Such enrichment.

‘As postal workers assigned to the Malmö district of Seved feel too threatened to carry out their duties, the residents themselves will now have to deliver their own post.’

https://www.thelocal.se/20120113/38496
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October 18, 2017 8:24am
- cmm
  
  No doubt they will refuse to carry any post that doesn’t support Sharia Law.
  
  Getting a letter from Family Planning? Beating for you.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:32am
- Harriet
  
  In an essay from Quadrant yesterday:
  
  “Findings from a study of Swedish police in 2016 showed that 80% were considering quitting due to the constant fear of violence from policing migrants.”
  
  The best statement “Criminal law is about individual, not group, responsibility.”
  It was in reference to police in Rotherham NOT arresting individuals but sweeping the issue under the ‘societal rug’.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:51am
  - PhilBest
    
    Quadrant is good, I recommend highly.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:47am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep.
      These guys too.
      http://catallaxyfiles.com
      
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      October 18, 2017 10:49am
- softail 1450
  
  KT ,never forget this is what Helen Clarke had in line for our country ,she visited Sweden many times on holiday etc while she was pm,and lauded how fantastic the Scandinavian resettlement plan was.
  We always figured she was just moonlighting for her inevitable job with the UN and we were right.
  she bailed from her job at that wasting organisation when it became apparent that being a female wasn’t the only criteria for the top job.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    She did not bail from her job – her contract was not renewed, as she was shit awful at it.
    
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    October 18, 2017 1:44pm
- Fletch
  
  There’s been a really good book written about no-go zones now, by Raheem Kassam. He looked like he fit in enough so that he actually went to these places and report on them.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/24/no-go-zones-breitbart-londons-kassam-unveils-new-book-islamic-ghettos-western-world/
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:47am
slightlyrighty

One is starting to wonder if the purpose of the NZ First negotiations is more about which party they can shaft as opposed to which party they can govern with.

How that works for the betterment of the country is beyond me.
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October 18, 2017 8:32am
- Notsofast
  
  New Zealanders I believe are genuinely enjoying the process. I sense there will be goodwill to any configuration.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:39am
  - Peter
    
    Long may the process last. Until the next election, in fact.
    
    The country is humming along without the need for one politician.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:55am
Left Right and Centre

One serve of fruit equals 120g. Aim for a variety of fruit each day.

One *serving* of fruit. What the fark is a ‘serve of fruit’ ? Who *are* these people ?

Ah yeah – I’d like a ‘help of dessert’. And not that too many people would care – but the kilojoule value is a con. It includes peaches and *the water in tin* ffs to give 85kj / 100g from 62% peach content. And the energy value without the water ? You’re on your own there mate – we gave the bare minimum legally required information. That’s what the internet’s for.
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October 18, 2017 8:44am
- Gabby
  
  You’re in the paknsave queue, in your jimjams, reading fruit tin labels aren’t you.
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:30pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    nah – usually you have to be an islander to wear your shitty cheap as fuck ugly nasty arse warehouse nightclothes to the shops.
    
    No queues when I go to supermarkets either.
    And I know my food labels better than a lot of people.
    
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    October 19, 2017 1:06am
VicParking

Its a circus. What every way the tail shakes the dog its a win for National. NZ First woud be dead if its voters did not all have dementure and in three years they have all forgotten about this shambles.
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October 18, 2017 8:51am
- jcuk
  
  or the last few times it happened.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:11am
- MCos
  
  “What every way the tail shakes the dog its a win for National.”
  Didn’t they teach you arithmetic at school?
  In our particular system the confidence of parliament is required to form a government & thus far National hasn’t achieved that whatever way the tail shakes the dog.
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:50am
- Dave Stringer
  
  Please remember, when we voted for TPP (third past the post) we were only joking ?
  
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  October 19, 2017 4:57am
Keeping Stock

It’s not often I agree with Rachel Smalley, but she has nailed to ridiculous nature of the coalition talks and the reporting of them in this piece:

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/opinion/rachel-smalley-taxpayers-deserve-better-than-winston/

PS: Kudos to the NZME web editor who came up with the accompanying photograph of Peters, and one word of his party’s name. Can you guess what it is?
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October 18, 2017 8:58am
flipper

A good friend, and one time mover and shaker in the National Party who helped put together the successful Dunne-Ohariu deal many years ago, wrote to me by email this morning to say;

My point is that once he [Peters] has gone into coalition with Labour he still needs the greens to get the majority.
So every time there is a decision of the [his] “Coalition Government” the greens hold the balance of power in that coalition, whether they have lined up with Labour now, or not. They would eventually realize their position of power?
Isn’t this a version of METu holding Winston’s knackers and squeezing whenever she wants something???

Would he really agree to a situation like that?
So isn’t all the [MSM] speculation just idle chat?

If I can see it Winston will be able to?

I think he has a point. Peters may be near his “use by” date, but he is not always stupid.
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October 18, 2017 9:00am
- softail 1450
  
  flipper ,yes but flipper you are a man that won’t see any other point of view apart from what comes from the national party main office .
  case in point, yesterday’s defence of Seymour ,that guy could steal your bank balance and piss off with your partner and you’d still bow before him.
  do some upper back stretching so your head can sometimes look at two sides of the story instead of just to the right .
  this blog will become exceptionally boring if it was to becomes tunnel visioned to your outlook on politics,fool.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:26am
- Nostradamus
  
  Flipper:
  
  Isn’t this a version of METu holding Winston’s knackers and squeezing whenever she wants something???
  
  How inconsiderate of you to share that unpleasant image with us!
  
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  October 18, 2017 5:44pm
Digmen1

I wonder why its taken NZF and their board TWO DAYS to decide which way to go.

The negotiations must have been very detailed, or maybe they could not agree which way to go.

So it shows it must be very tight.

NZF remember National got the most votes and there was NO MOOD for change (just a bit of fine tuning)
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October 18, 2017 9:00am
- Prince
  
  Free travel, free hotel, free meals, 6 seconds of fame. an illusion of power and importance
  Wonder no more.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:57am
wiseowl

I wonder how many of our wonderful KB female contributors are going to invest in the new female only fund for female businesses.?
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October 18, 2017 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  Hope there is enough money to pay Gattungs wages.
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:46pm
lastmanstanding

IMHO we should make a caretaker Government permanent.

No more raving on at us about how we should life our lives.

No more passing laws to raid the hip pockets ot the hard working in order to line those of the feckless and lazy and those in Government and their hangers on.

Im finding it so wonderful to wake up in the morning and not be lectured and hectored by some snotty nose who has only a fraction of my life experience and wisdom.

Long may it continue.
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October 18, 2017 9:16am
- Longknives
  
  “I’m finding it so wonderful to wake up in the morning and not be lectured and hectored by some snotty nose who has only a fraction of my life experience and wisdom.”
  
  Just wait until Comrade Adern gets the PM role she has coveted since her days in charge of the Junior Communist League..
  Life is going to be hell with her constant finger wagging and pontificating to us all about her ‘Vision for Aotearoa’!
  *She will go MIA as soon as we get a Terrorist Attack,Natural Disaster or anything that requires actual leadership though- Mark my freaking words..
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:55am
MrTips

I would have thought:

1. Political parties would know each others policies on the hustings so they can mock them*
2. Internal polls done by said parties during election times frames would be accepted as accurate enough to tell them what they should be doing*
3. Combination of 1 and 2 means parties have a pretty good idea of the lie of the land and policies before the election result*
4. Therefore, there is sweet bugger all to talk about other than haggling in forming a coalition. It shouldn’t be THAT HARD.*

* Caveat is the Greens. They clearly are in lah-lah land and can’t count, except when it comes to knifing those with principle.
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October 18, 2017 9:20am
- RF
  
  Who will blink first as there are 16 policies that the Greens and NZ First do not agree on.
  
  Someone will be feasting on dead rats if Labour gets the nod…..
  
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  October 18, 2017 6:05pm
Manolo

The open secret:
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/harvey-weinstein-game-over-judgment-day-scandal-culture-secrecy-1202591437/
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October 18, 2017 9:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  The cynic in me would suggest he’s been outed because he’s not very useful anymore.
  His company hasn’t had a hit for quite awhile.
  Am I wrong?
  Let’s see who else gets named- because he sure as heck isn’t the only one up to this behaviour.
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:46am
- Paulus
  
  It has been suggested in California that the “Lady Actors” who were molested by Weinstein give large sums of their earnings they accrued from the Weinstein films to a “Lady Actors” charity for those who did not have a relationship with him.
  Could be a huge amount from their earnings.
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:51pm
BeaB

If they are not careful Winston and his acolytes are going to explode from their own pomposity and self-importance. They are not negotiating a global treaty for goodness sake.
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October 18, 2017 9:30am
- RF
  
  Straight from the movie plot…. The good the bad and the very ugly.
  
  The slow walk in front of the TV cameras.
  
  Does Ron Mark wearing his Stetson think he is Wyatt Erp.
  
  He should take off his greasy apron first….
  
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  October 18, 2017 6:40pm
lastmanstanding

I and many others have said that when MMP was introduced there should have been a set of procedures around the forming of a new government.

It was a major flaw that there werent and we are now learning the cost.

Its beyond belief that both major parties didnt develop an agreed process. It was and is to their advantage to have the power to form a government rather than a minor party having that power.

One would hope this will be on the agenda for the new government and they and the Opposition Party will enact a law to prevent the current shambles.
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October 18, 2017 9:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why didn’t English on election night simply say?
  “OK, we got the most votes by some margin. Tomorrow we will start negotiations with other parties over who can be our partner in the new Government.”
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:41am
  - chris
    
    Nice in theory, but it’s a bit hard to negotiate with that party when he says he’s not negotiating with anyone until a particular date.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:03am
MT_Tinman

I’m sorry officer, I refuse to answer that on the grounds that I don’t want it broadcast on the six o’clock news.
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October 18, 2017 9:37am
Ross12

It looks like the Clinton Cash issue is being put front and centre again –this time with conclusive proof and people, other than the Clinton’s, are going to have any reputation they had torn to shreds.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
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October 18, 2017 9:41am
BeaB

It was Jacinda’s Lefties who bleated on about Hillary Clinton winning the greatest number of votes. Surely they should be telling her to bow out and admit National won the majority.
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October 18, 2017 9:41am
- Longknives
  
  Yes but apparently most of those votes for National came from the hated ‘Old White Men’ who shouldn’t even be allowed a say..(According to Leftist Lunatics)
  For Example- ‘I look forward to the day when stupid White Men aren’t allowed to vote’ (Taken from the Facebook Page of a Labour Party Supporter I unfortunately know)
  The Left have a very weird concept of Democracy.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:47am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Democracy isn’t allowed for those who the Left disagree with.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:44am
tom hunter

I’m sure the following bombshell story will be on the front page of every US newspaper and leading the broadcast news stories for the big three US networks and their cable competitors – rather than just appearing on the political website, The Hill – because this is rather a big story, no: FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow.

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.

They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

Fuck.
Me.

The lack of fanfare left many key players in Washington with no inkling that a major Russian nuclear corruption scheme with serious national security implications had been uncovered.
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Ronald Hosko, who served as the assistant FBI director in charge of criminal cases when the investigation was underway, told The Hill he did not recall ever being briefed about Mikerin’s case by the counterintelligence side of the bureau despite the criminal charges that were being lodged.

“I had no idea this case was being conducted,” a surprised Hosko said in an interview.

Likewise, major congressional figures were also kept in the dark.

But of course!

And then I have people telling me how scandal and prosecution free the Obama administration was. As one commentator notes:

Who supervised the Russia investigation?
Rod Rosenstein.

Who was the FBI director when the Russia probe began in 2009?
Robert Mueller.

Who was running the FBI when the case ended with a whimper and an apparent cover-up?
James Comey.

How any of these people can participate with a straight face in an investigation into President Trump’s purported relationship with the Russian regime is beyond me.

I can only assume that this has all leaked because there are FBI officers still there who’ve had a gutsful. The story sure as hell reduces confidence in ever-more US government institutions.
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October 18, 2017 9:44am
- All_on_Red
  
  Who would the Russians prefer to be US President?
  a) someone they have already bribed or b) a maverick wildcard.
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:41am
- Ross12
  
  Don’t forget that when Peter Schweizer’s book came out the NYT went through it with a ” fine tooth comb” and on the uranium issue , at least, they could not find any factual errors they could argue with.
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:38am
- Ed Snack
  
  There’s even more damning information on the corruption: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/10/bombshell-revelations-about-russia-and-obamas-department-of-justice.php
  
  Looks like Obama and Holder were neck deep in this, and Clinton (as usual) getting a significant dollop of cash for herself. Why isn’t that woman in prison ?
  
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  October 18, 2017 2:21pm
flipper

Tom H ….
Three other questions….

a. Who appointed the “special counsel” to investigate the election hacking (& more) ?
b. Who is the special Counsel ?
c. What are the known political affiliations of the “investigatory” lawyers appointed by the Special Counsel ?
It does not require a degree in rocket science to know:
a. Rosenstein
b. Meuller
c. Democrats.

A Kangaroo Court or a Star Chamber or both?
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October 18, 2017 10:26am
JasonJohns

Haitians pouring thru the Waikato this morning.
Thousands of them, huge groups, stripping the countryside as they moved south.
what is going on?
and does this have anything to dowith the clear cases of radiation sickness i observed at the delta tavern recently?
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October 18, 2017 10:43am
tom hunter

And once again I am presented with the dilemma of:

– upticking JasonJohns as a hilarious piss-take piece of trolling.

– ignoring it as too obvious a piece of trolling

– upticking and possibly rewarding a clearly insane commentator?
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October 18, 2017 10:52am
- chris
  
  After engaging with him a couple of times, I decided it’s best to just read what he says for a laugh, and then move on 🙂
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:08am
  - JasonJohns
    
    The Haitians aren’t laughing chris quite the opposite. Got a good look at one of them as he hunted a large hound down my street here in ngaruawahia. huge face, huge hands, ash on cheeks, eyes bloodshot, forehead veinous, sacrificial chicken writhing in the front of his pants. no joke.
    
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    October 18, 2017 11:12am
fylde

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/the-refugee-mp-golriz-ghahraman-on-why-she-had-to-enter-new-zealand-politics

This put me off breakfast
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October 18, 2017 10:55am
- Rich Prick
  
  The outpouring of support from elated New Zealanders. The words of encouragement from admiring Australians, worn down by years of that country’s “Pacific solution”, cheers and congratulations from Brexit escapees and Trump survivors.
  
  Where to start? Firstly, she’s not a fucking refugee. Second, elated New Zealanders? She sure rates herself. Third, channeling Nazi Germany is so 2016. Finally, Brexit “escapees” and Trump “survivors”? So far as I know, and quite sadly, not a single celeb who threatend to move to Canada has made good on their promise. As a human rights lawyer, this woman should do fiction, she seems good at it.
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:12am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    She claims to be a human rights lawyer, and that NZ’s democratic institutions are at risk. But she also claims that Brexit was bad. So she supports the Brits being ruled by a foreign, unelected and profoundly anti-democratic bureaucracy which can, and did on several occasions, over ride national democratic institutions.
    
    I smell a lefty bullshit artist. And quite possibly a drooling moron.
    
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    October 18, 2017 11:23am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Her only political achievement has been getting her name on a list of other names. Only the Guardian could puff that dubious “achievement” into single-handedly securing world peace and saving the planet. And that takes bullshit, as you call it, by the truckload. I think we should keep an eye on this particular artist.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:32am
    - RalphT
      
      “I smell a lefty bullshit artist. And quite possibly a drooling moron” That’s getting unacceptably personal, Shawn; leave her drooling out of it.
      
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      October 18, 2017 11:36am
    - KKKKatee
      
      This woman is going to be telling us how to suck eggs imo. And why would I listen to anything she has to say? We already know she’s good at embellishing or leaving out stuff even. She’s a rabid Leftie – say no more.
      
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      October 18, 2017 5:00pm
  - softail 1450
    
    but,but,but,but, “I’m a qualified human rights lawyer the New Zealand parliament desperately needs me” as do the NZ populace ,ffffuuuucccckkk.
    
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    October 18, 2017 11:33am
- Brito
  
  Yawn.
  
  Gloriz hasn’t done anything and is only there because of the MMP list. If you count being female, an ex-refugee and a lawyer (see Rowan Atkinson’s thinking on that) as makers of success, then you need help.
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:27pm
  - fylde
    
    Indeed – we have to put up with 3 years of this
    
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    October 18, 2017 2:49pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    But, but, but…..
    Her boyfriend’s a comedian…
    Guy Williams……
    Say no more…..
    
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    October 18, 2017 5:07pm
Manolo

The one and only NYT, so adored by liberals:
https://breaking.projectveritas.com/NYTimes3.html

New York Times Senior Home Page editor, Des Shoe, admits company culture of blatant bias at NYT is “widely understood to be liberal-leaning…”

… “if we write about him [Trump], and how insanely crazy he is…maybe people will read it and be like…we shouldn’t vote for him.”
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October 18, 2017 11:27am
Gabby

If he’s insanely crazy it’s probably best to let people know, or they’d believe the manuro he spouts.
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October 18, 2017 11:46am
- softail 1450
  
  so gabby would you rather see the (now crippled) Hillary Clinton in the White House ,along with slick willy ?
  
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  October 18, 2017 11:53am
  - Gabby
    
    What makes you think that softcock? You take another header over the handlebars of your healing loline?
    
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    October 18, 2017 1:25pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/10/john-key-takes-top-banking-job-with-anz.amp.html

“Former New Zealand Prime Minister Sir John Key will become the chairman of ANZ’s New Zealand operations in January 2018.”

How ‘fit for duty’ is former NZ Prime Minister John Key, if the Chair of Transparency International, Jose Ugaz, stated publicly at Rutherford House, Victoria University on 1 August 2017, that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers?

How do I know
the Chair of Transparency International, Jose Ugaz said John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers?

Because I was at that meeting and heard Jose Ugaz myself.

Any NZ media covered this story?

Interviewed Jose Ugaz?

If not – WHY not?

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 18, 2017 12:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fuck Penny, give it away.
  Key’s a great choice for the job despite whatever crap you want to spout.
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:18pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Sounds like the poor old thing had a bit of an Ugazm.
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:35pm
    - stigie
      
      “How ‘fit for duty’ is former NZ Prime Minister John Key.”
      
      Well fuck me Penny, that’s like asking Penny Bright when is she going to come out against Harvey Wankstein..?
      
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      October 18, 2017 1:35pm
- BeaB
  
  The trouble is you are totally outclassed, Penny. So give it a rest.
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:20pm
  - RalphT
    
    It’s not often you see the words “class” and “Penny” in the same sentence.
    
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    October 18, 2017 12:40pm
    - sooty
      
      I wonder what class she flys in on her trips paid for by someone else. Do the stewies fumigate her before letting her on?
      
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      October 18, 2017 1:04pm
- Rich Prick
  
  If not – WHY not?
  
  How shall I put this … no one is interested in one leftie whackjob hearing another leftie whackjob from a leftie whackjob outfit say something only a leftie whackjob would say about a conspiracy theory only a leftie whackjob could dream up.
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Look at me. Look at me. Look at MEEEEEEEEEE!!
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:51pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  FUCK OFF
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:11pm
- Johnboy
  
  Don’t be so upset Penny. While the ANZ may have filled the chairmans vacancy not all the jobs have gone. They still need a tea lady. 🙂
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:14pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  You should get a job (like John Key) and use the money to pay your rates bill.
  
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  October 18, 2017 5:48pm
Brito

Harvey: Ok girls before you come out cover your bits in tape.

Girls: As in this packing tape that’s in here?

Harvey: Yip that’s the stuff.

Girls: What if we don’t want to?

Harvey: Nobody is forcing you to. It’s your choice!

Girls: Ok Harvey here we come.

Where in this article does this women get told she has to do this or we’ll beat, rob, smash or horror, not give her a job? Where is the force used?

Sure, she knows that if she doesn’t she won’t work with Harvey, but like good little lambs they parade and now we are meant to feel sorry for them.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11934105
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October 18, 2017 12:20pm
- Longknives
  
  Is that the same Jennifer Lawrence who was blaming Trump for the Hurricanes? (‘America deserves this blah blah’)
  Is it the same Jennifer Lawrence who has nude pictures all over the net (including ones with her face covered in Semen)??
  
  Yeah she has about as much credibility as a Kardashian…
  
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  October 18, 2017 12:50pm
Kabull

At last – someone speaking sense on feminism and the gender pay gap. This woman should be invited to speak in NZ.
https://youtu.be/JBFfI9925Q4

It is worth watching.
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October 18, 2017 12:40pm
- Brito
  
  Isn’t she a breath of fresh air!!!
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:15pm
- sam green
  
  https://sinmantyx.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/my-little-takedown-of-christina-hoff-sommers/
  
  Bit of critique to balance things up.
  
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  October 18, 2017 1:29pm
  - Brito
    
    Sam, Sinmantyx is a blog from artists about art. That isn’t balanced. Hoff Sommers has a valid point of view which will always be at odds with Sinmantyx and anyone else from that side of the fence. Rationalists will always get my vote.
    
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    October 18, 2017 3:52pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Plus Dr Hoff Sommers is qualified and has done the research.
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:08pm
      - Brito
        
        Thank you Rationalist!
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:10pm
Manolo

Better late than never:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4986962/France-kick-illegal-immigrants-shoplifting.html

Illegal immigrants caught committing even minor crimes in France such as shoplifting are to be deported, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

The President said ‘tougher measures’ were needed to fight lawlessness, and especially terrorism.
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October 18, 2017 12:45pm
- Nermal
  
  Unfortunately there’s usually a very large gap between an announcement and an action. I’ll believe it when I see it.
  
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  October 18, 2017 2:30pm
- Digmen1
  
  Put them on an airforce plane with a parachute and ask when they’d like to jump out. With a three hour time limit before they get pushed out over the Indian Ocean.
  
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  October 18, 2017 2:46pm
- Digmen1
  
  Good to see President Macron in France saying that a Governments first duty is to protect its citizens.
  Imho, the second one is to protect its borders.
  The 3rd and 4th are law and order and defence.
  
  There are no others, health, education, poverty are not on my list.
  
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  October 18, 2017 2:50pm
Stars And Stripes

After a bit of shopping this morning it has become apparent that there are a couple of issues which I believe are becoming of critical importance for New Zealand and possibly require a legislative response from parliament.
Facial hair on women and the lack of teeth(the gummy bear look) may be okay in Pak n Save but is this acceptable in the general public?.
Possibly the Crimes Act needs to be broadened to encompass these affronts to decency?.
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October 18, 2017 1:33pm
- Jim
  
  I think you need a week or two in SF to boost your immune system.
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:38pm
- kowtow
  
  I’d second that and add purple hair dye and tattoos.
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:39pm
  - softail 1450
    
    hang on kowtow “tattoos” ,there will be nobody under 35 left in our country ,including all my sons and all their girlfriends.
    I should have trained as a tattoo artist not an engineer ….
    
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    October 18, 2017 4:07pm
Michael

Phil Best
Just looking in, saw your comment re Lundy driving to Palmy and back.
Works like this.
Lundy hired a sex worker for midnight,reason being that he wanted an alibi for the middle of the night, otherwise he would have asked her to visit him earlier.
The police were misled by the pathologist as to the time of death and tried to have Lundy driving at break neck speed to get from Petone to Palmy and back . Fact is time of death was much later.
After visiting the sex worker Lundy drove to Palmy, keeping to the speed limit, murdered his wife and daughter with an axe like object, then returned to Petone , again keeping to the speed limit.
The car he was driving would cover the distance without him having to refuel, providing he kept to the speed limit.
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October 18, 2017 2:13pm
- Ed Snack
  
  But why would Lundy go to all that trouble on timing when he can’t have known that the Pathologist would get the time wrong. He would have no idea that the time of death wouldn’t be set at more or less when it happened, and the reconstruction set so he travelled like you said. There’s no logic to that idea.
  
  Yes, if he killed the two he did so later, the original reconstruction was wrong and provably so. I am at least interested in the evidence being examined in this latest appeal, I actually agree with the defense that IF (and it is if) this “science” is in fact novel and has no sound basis, that it shouldn’t be presented as evidence.
  
  It is my contention that we should always want sound convictions, because otherwise the rule of law and those who enforce it is undermined in the public’s minds. I don’t think there was a bigger factor in the undermining of public confidence in the NZ police service than the Crewe case where Police deliberately planted evidence to secure an unjust conviction.
  
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  October 18, 2017 2:48pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Ed. Would you believe that there are still older and retired cops who believe Thomas is guilty? I have spoken to a couple.
    
    Do you remember Bush’s infamous ecology?
    
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    October 18, 2017 4:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      eulogy not ecology.
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …as it that what he meant!
        
        Does Chuck Bird know that eulogy literally means “good words”? 😉
        
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        October 18, 2017 4:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But hey, if Chuck thinks Police Commissioner Bush should have stood up in front of Bruce Hutton’s family, ignored all his years of service and the sacrifice the family made so that could occur, and instead fixated on suspected action, and speak ill of the deceased, then good for Chuck. This is the same Chuck Bird who yesterday said conviction of a crime means someone can be spoken of as guilty. So where and when was the criminal conviction of Hutton?
        
        But if, in the same spirit of charity, it ever needs someone to stand up at Chuck Bird’s funeral and declare he was cantankerous, illogical, mean-spirited, over-opinionated old bastard…I’m sure we can muster some volunteers from the Kiwiblog community who know him from a number of years.
        
        Just try and make sure you leave some money in your estate for the piss up in the Delta in Ngaruawahia afterwards, Chuck. 😉
        
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        October 18, 2017 4:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        I’m sure he didn’t mean to write dyslogy.
        
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        October 18, 2017 4:54pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        But if, in the same spirit of charity, it ever needs someone to stand up at Chuck Bird’s funeral and declare he was cantankerous, illogical, mean-spirited, over-opinionated old bastard…I’m sure we can muster some volunteers from the Kiwiblog community who know him from a number of years.
        
        That’s a bit harsh. Chuck Bird has selflessly shown a sense of public duty in offering himself as a Pike River explorer when the mine doors are reopened!
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:51pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Why is it not possible Thomas did it? The shell case may have been planted ( Hutton and/or Johnston were always the primary suspects), and a perversion of justice, but it still doesn’t mean Thomas wasn’t the one who murdered the Crewes. If the shall case was planted, then it was because they thought they had their man but couldn’t prove it. Doesn’t make it right, nor that they were even right about Thomas…
      
      Then again a nuanced set of scenarios is likely wasted on someone who can’t distinguish paedophilia from statutory rape. 😉
      
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      October 18, 2017 4:38pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        And I believe you have warned me about putting our host at risk of defamation. Thomas successfully sued NewstalkZB for defamation as a talk show host allowed a caller to speculate like you.
        
        Arthur Thomas is not guilty. Only a moron like you would have any doubt.
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        ~~Arthur Thomas~~ Bruce Hutton is not guilty…and was never charged!
        
        There! Fixed that for ya! 😉
        
        So no piss up at the Delta at your expense after we bury you then, Chuck 😉
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:16pm
      - nasska
        
        Just in case you find yourself stuck for the right platitude at the funeral Kimbo: 🙂
        
        https://www.inthelighturns.com/funeral-phrases.html
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:32pm
Digmen1

I would have liked to have seen more hard evidence other than a small piece of matter on a shirt.
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October 18, 2017 2:53pm
Digmen1

Yes and
David Bain
Mark Lundy
Scott Watson

All cases with very little hard evidence, or poor prosecution cases or poor police work.
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October 18, 2017 2:55pm
rightoverlabour

And we complain about things here? The Poms have lost it!

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-41639456
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October 18, 2017 2:58pm
Michael

Ed
I agree that Lundy wouldn’t have known what time of death the pathologist would come up with, or even if he even thought about that.
The midnight visit from the sex worker [she left around 1 a.m] gave him the best alibi he could get with him needing to drive to Palmy and back and get back before daybreak. There was no way he was going to get a perfect alibi.
I agree with you re the Crewe murders, though we still don’t know who the perpetrator was. It appears the Police still believe that the Thomas rifle could have been the murder weapon.
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October 18, 2017 3:04pm
Michael

Digment,
Have to disagree with you re Bain. Go down to your local public library and take out a copy of my book The Bain Killings Whodunnit? and have a read of it.
There was plenty of circumstantial evidence that pointed to David Bain as being the perpetrator and nothing that pointed to his father.
How the jury came to the conclusion they did in that case I will never know.
https://www.facebook.com/BainKillingsWhodunnit
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October 18, 2017 3:09pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Michael one reason was that it was a dodgy jury. If the judge knew of their behaviour he would have ordered a new trial.
  
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  October 18, 2017 4:32pm
- Digmen1
  
  Michael
  I ? We listened to hundreds of people on the radio and in the media, talk back etc etc for ten years. several books, several trials and inquiries and investigations And there is no agreement.
  And you want me to go down to the library. I’m over it.
  But No compo for the paper boy.
  
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  October 18, 2017 5:50pm
Kimbo

For those mystified by tom hunter’s relative silence this afternoon – The Cubs, trailing 0-2 in the NLCS are at home today to the Dodgers. Only one team – the Red Sox in their famous comeback against the Yankees in 2004 – have ever come back from 0-3 down to win in a post-season series, so the Cubs had better start today or it is almost certainly all over. At the moment the Dodgers lead 2-1 in the bottom of the 4th innings, but the Cubs have two men on base…nope, no runs, into the 5th innings…

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-cubs/2017/10/17/526506?partnerId=LR_gameday#game_tab=gameday,game_state=live,game=526506
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October 18, 2017 3:22pm
- Kimbo
  
  now 3-1 to LA.
  
  In the ALCS the Yankees have evened the series against the Astros, so we could well be looking at a Yankees-Dodgers World Series. Not like that ever happened before.
  
  https://www.si.com/mlb/strike-zone/2013/06/18/fall-classics-the-11-world-series-showdowns-between-the-yankees-and-dodgers
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:47pm
- tom hunter
  
  Sigh – sitting here watching the Cubs…. not executing the only game plan that might work, piling on runs against the starting pitcher and hoping their bullpen will hold the Dodgers late.
  
  But no. The Cubs big bats continue to sleep – and again with the first run on the board and then …. falling behind.
  
  And also because the frigging Astros blew a 4-0 lead to lose their second game against the Yankees!!
  
  Sigh – a Dodgers-Yankees World Series – again!
  
  Thought you might enjoy this article, Kimbo, It’s absolutely hatemazing that the Yankees never really had to rebuild:
  
  The Yankees were perpetually old and doomed. Let me just click on a random year in Baseball-Reference and, oh, look at that. It’s 2012, and the Yankees won 95 games. Raul Ibanez was the starter in left field. He was 40. Andy Pettitte was on the team somehow, I don’t even, and he went deep in both his postseason starts. He was 40, too. Hiroki Kuroda was their best starter. He was 400.
  ….
  And BLAMMO, it’s not just that the Yankees are back in the ALCS, with a chance to win the whole danged thing, it’s how well they’re suddenly set up for the future.
  ….
  All without the painful rebuilding the Phillies are going through. Without the painful rebuilding Yankee-haters have been waiting for since Jorge Posada was in his late-30s and still cranking dingers. Without … well, without the pain that it almost feels like a franchise this successful deserves.
  ….
  It all happened so quickly, and it’s not going to go away nearly that quick. Get used to the Yankees. They did not sign for the shipment of pain, and it was returned to sender. Some of it was already redistributed to the Twins and Indians. There will be much more to distribute in the coming years.
  
  He talks about how the Yankees don’t just have shitloads of money to spend on free agents, but they also spend it developing players. I’m amazed that All Rise was a 32nd draft pick: like WTF? All those other teams skipped over him! But as the writer says:
  
  Except it doesn’t work like that. If the Giants had Judge, I’m not convinced that he would be an everyday player, much less an MVP candidate. The ability of all 30 teams to take six metric tons of hitting clay and mold it into an All-Star was not distributed equally. The Yankees did it, though.
  …
  Not every team can build an Aaron Judge from the kit they get in the mail, but the Yankees did. And it might be the scariest skill a rich organization can have.
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:58pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Thanks tom.
    
    Well, things have definitely improved at the Yankees since when George Steinbrenner was firing managers from Billy Martin on (was it 5 or 6 times he was let go?! 😉 ) until he stumbled on Joe Torre! 😉
    
    Interesting. Similar to to the All Blacks refurbishment after the 2015 World Cup when the lost McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Smith, Woodcock and Mealamu…but you wouldn’t guess it by what’s happened since. Successful change like that shows an ability to master development at every level. A combination of getting the simple things right – which is harder than it seems in a complex organisation in a competitive setting – and also seeing stuff that others don’t. Money can’t buy success as such, but if it buys you in the first instance the expertise to identify the right people, there is little to stop it. Fascinating how the “experts” could undervalue the Yankees farm system talent.
    
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    October 18, 2017 7:42pm
- tom hunter
  
  Oh look – another starting Cubs pitcher pulled after just five innings – so that the fucking bullpen can once again enter the stage!!!!
  
  Annnnnndddddd….. it’s bases loaded – again! And not home run stuff either: just meat and potatoes baseball that puts the runners across the plate!
  
  The thing is that it’s not like the Cubs defence in the field is bad – they’ve even cut down a player at home on what looked like a certain run.
  
  But it’s not enough!
  
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  October 18, 2017 4:04pm
- tom hunter
  
  Fuck me. Edwards throws four balls – to the frigging Dodger pitcher and a run is walked in to make it 4-1!!!!!!! FFS – he can’t swing of course, just bunt, and yet he now has an RBI!!
  
  Jesus – all that was needed was three 95mph pitches right down the middle of the strike zone. It’s not like the guy’s going to hit … well anything!!!!
  
  And strikes out the next guy to end the inning, so there’s that. I’d say they were bloody lucky to only have one run scored against them. Pretty sure the Dodgers manager won’t be worried about pulling his starter after 6 innings – not with what’s coming.
  
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  October 18, 2017 4:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    tom you make hockey sound so exciting …
    
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    October 18, 2017 4:33pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Oops. Now 6-1.
    
    On the bright side, and as you said, the golden glow of 2016 is still recent. And surely it’s not like they will have to wait for 2124 for a repeat against, oh, I don’t know, the Samurais of Tokyo-Osaka-Kyoto City.
    
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    October 18, 2017 5:01pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Hell, at this rate I’ll just be happy if they’re not swept in this series!!!
      
      BTW – did you read the Yankee article?
      
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      October 18, 2017 5:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, will do so tonight. Thanks. based on your cut and paste has some stuff in there I can use for a story in my book – “enculturating” is another part of my system. Although I have to watch out about too many Yankees stories. I understand non-New Yorkers don’t like that for some reason. “The yankees aren’t baseball” or something to that effect.
        
        Just imagine how awful life would be if the Mets were as successful! 😉
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Final score 1-6, and the Cubs trail 0-3. Awfully close to “Next year…”.
        
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        October 18, 2017 5:56pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Oh – I’m already there.
        
        Like I said a couple of weeks ago – this Dodgers team is awfully good. Actually better than their 104 win record would suggest – but the only reason they did not hit 120 was those two, strange 10-game losing streaks in late Aug/early Sep.
        
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        October 18, 2017 6:19pm
sooty

Is Winstone organising a succession plan for himself and NZF?
What would he need to bail with baubles.
Knighthood.
Plum job. Governer General.
Ambassador somewhere.
Drink piss, do sweet f all. Thats him.
Limo of course.
What other job is there for him.
Who would get the poisonous chalise.
Whats the chance of NZF after next election.
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October 18, 2017 3:25pm
KKKKatee

The Herald is running a commentary between a so-called Journalist, Jo Moir, and Richard Prosser, an ex NZF Politician. And we should believe Prosser because?
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October 18, 2017 3:28pm
Chuck Bird

Are we paying for Lundy’s four lawyers? I wonder how much in total this will cost the poor taxpayer.

“Hamilton-based Philip Morgan, QC, Mark Jepson and Palmerston North Crown solicitor Ben Vanderkolk are appearing for the Crown.

Eaton, Julie-Anne Kincade, Jack Oliver-Hood and Helen Coutts are appearing for Lundy.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97994140/petrol-public-perception-to-be-covered-at-mark-lundys-appeal
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October 18, 2017 3:37pm
Michael

I see the defence are claiming that an expert has proved that Lundy couldn’t have driven Petone – Palmerston North, Palmerston North- Petone. Petone -Palmerston North on a full tank of petrol.
But the Police say it could be done. How far can the Fairlane model that Lundy drove go on a full tank?
Petone to Palmy is 140 km x 3 = 420 km. How many litres does a Fairlane fuel tank hold? I believe the fuel consumption at average speeds on the open road is around 10 litres per 100 km.
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October 18, 2017 3:38pm
- Jim
  
  I think Google will answer that. My old (~1990) Fairmont V8 wagon had a 72L tank and would often do more than 600km if I wasn’t too pushy with the right foot. Thirsty if you’re in a hurry though.
  
  Vaguely recall doing Auckland – Ruapehu – Auckland on a tank, but my memory is failing so take that with a grain of salt.
  
  420km seems more than plausible.
  
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  October 18, 2017 3:59pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I own a 5.7 litre Holden and it holds a little more than 60 L. I could definitely do more than 420 km. What would stop him from taking extra fuel?
  
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  October 18, 2017 4:10pm
- nasska
  
  68 litre tank. 10.75 litre/100km.
  
  https://www.carsguide.com.au/ford/fairlane/price/2000/ghia–millennium
  
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  October 18, 2017 4:10pm
noskire

Winston Peters’ Answer Sheet (pick one from the table below)

1: To make a decision out of haste would be a bad idea
2: I am sort of confident that all things being equal, yes, we could look forward to that being the case
3: I’ve tried to sort of set timetables on the completion of negotiations and all those substantive ones were completed some time ago, but there’s work to be done on sorting out exactly with great clarity what exactly you have agreed on
4: There’s enough surprises in politics let alone the surprises of the ones you could have overcome before the event even started
5: This is a critical sequence, the people should speak first, not the politicians trying to manipulate the outcome behind the public’s back
6: The great majority of New Zealanders are against these tawdry, backroom pre-election deals
7: If they had the courtesy to contact me the matter would have been cleared up in a few minutes
8: All those matters have been resolved in our discussions with the Electoral Commission, and these matters arise also from a variance in people’s view of the law
9: New Zealanders are being colonised without having any say in the numbers of people coming in and where they are from
10: This is not the end
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October 18, 2017 4:53pm
- sooty
  
  What like the maoris and revisiting the treaty every few years. Whinnystone wants to do it as well. That will go down like a cup of cold sick.
  
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  October 18, 2017 6:10pm
Fletch

Art Laffer on how Trump’s tax reforms will hugely benefit America. He points out that at the moment, the U.S has the highest corporate tax rate in the OECD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUrXzuI92nA
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October 18, 2017 4:59pm
- mikenmild
  
  Laffer is a nutter:
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
  
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  October 18, 2017 5:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    Rationalwiki is a PC fake news and misinformation site.
    
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    October 18, 2017 5:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    He’s right about the Tax rate though
    
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    October 18, 2017 5:10pm
Brigitte

If Winnie picks Labour then surely the Greens will get to see and vote on the agreement. So it’s more than likely we’ll see what was agreed (i.e., it’ll be leaked). Suspect a Nat/NZF coalition agreement would remain secret. Could be wrong of course.
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October 18, 2017 5:02pm
Digmen1

No, I think it will go on for a few more days, while the 3 leaders finalise the deals.
So I’d say a decision to be announced to us plebs on Tuesday. (Monday is Workers Day)
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October 18, 2017 5:46pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Monday is Workers Day
  
  So they should be working all weekend because they do not work – they are state sector employees – they do not produce anything that can be sold or exported
  
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  October 18, 2017 6:30pm
  - Digmen1
    
    So true!
    And they should have their pay deducted for that first week after the election when they all did nothing.
    
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    October 18, 2017 6:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The intelligentsia at play
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/97952811/victoria-university-student-hall-a-feral-zoo-after-alleged-drunken-destruction
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October 18, 2017 5:48pm
- gump
  
  Yeah – because that kind of drunken crap has never ever happened at a sports club.
  
  Ugly amd destructive drunks are unfortunately found within every level of society. It’s one of the sad realities of making alcohol available to people who can’t handle it.
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:12pm
chris

The Herald’s just about wetting itself. Apparently a decision will be released tomorrow: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11934436

However, this is the actual statement:

New Zealand First will be in a position tomorrow afternoon to make an announcement on the result of negotiations following the 2017 General Election.

Nowhere in that statement do they say they will be telling us who they’re going with. Plenty of wriggle room in that statement.
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October 18, 2017 5:48pm
- chris
  
  Henry Cooke at Stuff seems to be a bit more a realist: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97989006/live-choosing-a-new-government
  
  And anyway, if he goes left, then the Greens still have to ratify any deal. I really cannot understand how you can go into any sort of arrangement with a party that you refuse to talk to. If Winnie does go left, it’ll be a complete clusterfuck.
  
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  October 18, 2017 5:51pm
Digmen1

The Herald has stooped to new lows.

NZ First will announce who their new partner will be?

F.O.

Any person with knowledge of english and politics knows it should be they will announce who will partner with them.
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October 18, 2017 6:32pm
Johnboy

“NZ First deputy leader Ron Mark has left and returned to the NZ First offices, telling media they will know what’s happening “when the boss tells you”.

Asked if that meant a decision was made, he said it did not mean anything. “It just means you’ll know when the boss tells you”.”

I reckon Ron might even also know when the boss tells the rest of us!!!! 🙂
What a fuckin joke Winston and his NZF mob actually are! 🙂
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October 18, 2017 6:38pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  The important point that Ron Mark seems to have forgotten is that we (voters) are his boss and we (taxpayers) pay his salary.
  
  Now, if we could only introduce performance pay, then Mark could paid what we (voters and taxpayers) collectively think he’s worth. Based on the NZ First party vote, 7% of his current salary seems about right!
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:02pm
  - stigie
    
    The SAS spud peeler just loves authority (short man syndrome) !~
    
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    October 18, 2017 7:28pm
EAD_TWO

All this “which way will Winston go” nonsense could be ended if National and Labour entered a grand coalition

Sound far fetched?

Well all one needs to understand is that there is far, far more that unites Labour and National based on previous administrations actions (especially the Clark & Key ones) than that which divides.
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October 18, 2017 6:55pm
- chris
  
  Well before the election, I said the best thing for NZ right now is a grand coalition between National and Labour. The problem is that NZ is far too tribal and immature and small to do proportional representation properly. Even after 8 elections we still don’t get how it works.
  
  And this is from someone who would naturally prefer to vote ACT, but has voted National since John Key. Sometimes because it made sense, but more recently because I’m pragmatic.
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:20pm
- Digmen1
  
  This has been raised many times before.
  
  It is a totally stupid idea left versus right!
  
  It only happens in wartime
  
  Now if they both agreed not to deal with Winston you may be talking, but then Labour would never agree to that!
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:57pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    “…it only happens in wartime”
    Just because we haven’t declared war, doesn’t mean others haven’t, secretly, against us. Look around. Does it feel like we are at war against someone? Or something?
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:05pm
realityczech

Winston derangement syndrome appears to be in full cry today. All could have been avoided if the majority of voters had of picked a single party.
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October 18, 2017 7:31pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Winston derangement syndrome
  
  Haha brilliant!
  
  That phrase is the equivalent of a Judo throw that uses your opponents main offensive weapon against them to throw them floundering to the mat.
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:42pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    That is more Akido
    Freaking deadly when used correctly. Steven Seagal is a 7th dan Black Belt in it. Bruce Lee also used it to great effect.
    Judo has pretty much been superseded by Jiu Jitsu which carries on the battle when the ground is in play.
    
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    October 18, 2017 7:51pm
    - Longknives
      
      Who would win in a fight between Steven Seagal and Chuck Norris?
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:24pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Norris. Rank –
        Rank 10th degree black belt Chun Kuk Do 9th degree black belt Tang Soo Do 8th degree black belt Taekwondo 5th degree black belt in Karate 3rd degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Judo
        
        Anything ending in do signifies a defense against attack. Assuming we can get them in the same room
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:32pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Bruce Lee vs Chuck Norris Go!!! 🙂
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:43pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, but they wanted to stop immigration, and keep them honest, and their gold card.
  
  They knew this would happen because Corrin and Paddy kept telling us it was close and NZF would hold the balance of power.
  
  The thing is would they still vote NZF if there was an election tomorrow?
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:54pm
EAD_TWO

Looks like Stefan Molyneux was triggered by Chris Trotters article yesterday attacking “White Male Privilege”

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/920383178258477059

“The left endlessly proclaims that White Christian Men are privileged exploiters – I don’t see any WCM being accused in Hollywood though…”
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October 18, 2017 7:32pm
- realityczech
  
  Dam those Christians and Muslims. There is only one Middle Eastern religion we can never be critical of, because they are Gods master-race.
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    ?Druzes
    ?Bahai’is
    ?Zoroastrians
    ?Babis
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:01pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Flying Spaghetti Monsters Maggy
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You need to go back to Theology College.
        That religion originated in Oregon.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:16pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I failed in geography.
        When asked which Island was fished up using a grandmothers jawbone, I incorrectly answered Jawpan.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:25pm
realityczech

Key carries on his fetish for $$$. That boy just can’t help himself. A heartless slippery man.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11934188
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October 18, 2017 7:50pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  John Key can’t get a job because RC dislikes him.
  The post.
  
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  October 18, 2017 7:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    I voted for him every time he stood. He was the right man for the job at the time and we could have done worse. However no one is perfect and we need some balance.
    
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    October 18, 2017 7:56pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Who do you prefer hanging around and giving political advice? John Key or Helen Clark?
      And which advice would be more destructive to our country?
      
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      October 18, 2017 8:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Key by far.
        
        The thing is on KB people are either 100% for or against someone. I don’t think such polarised thinking is helpful. Key is not as wonderful as his fans claim, nor as bad as the left make him out to be.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fuck that’s profound, ~~Kia2~~ realityczech.
        
        So balanced. It’s as though old Socrates had received through the papyrus post an iPad loaded with access to Kiwiblog.
        
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        October 18, 2017 8:25pm
Digmen1

Why does Mark Zukerberg keep working, and Warren Buffett, and Bob Jones because they like work and the challenge
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October 18, 2017 7:59pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  zuckerberg is still harvesting barely legal titty pics. buffet likes money and power. remind me again what the fuck bob jones does?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:12pm
  - V
    
    NZ’s biggest welfare recipient (govt. rent).
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:17pm
- realityczech
  
  They like power. It is not about the money.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:16pm
rightoverlabour

“Chicky Babe” and “Old Codger” – LOVE it. Well done Leighton, for saying it the way it is. https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/98023842/newstalk-zb-host-leighton-smith-calls-jacinda-ardern-chicky-babe
I really hope the left were “Offended”.
Actually it’s a bit more like Beauty and the Beast. Time for armed insurrection to sort this fucking mess out. Where is the Army? A spot of Martial law followed by, “you got 46%, now fucking govern”.
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October 18, 2017 8:02pm
- nasska
  
  At 37 years a Chicky Babe would be better described as a laid out old boiler. ?
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:15pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    blown rings but still a runner
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:18pm
- KevOB
  
  Labour and National just have to refuse to deal with Winston and that the end of him.
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:44pm
AgentBallSack

Serious question time. I was banned for a while so I may have missed it –
Did we find out if Reid is okay?
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October 18, 2017 8:10pm
Ken

Today is the opening day of the 19th National Congress Meeting of China Communist Party (CCP). If you are in China, you would feel a mood of festivity shared by many, CCP members or not, and from what I heard from my friends in China or news from China, I see a serious commitment of the CCP to write up a report, based on facts and numbers, to inform the congressional members and the leaders of the party to make sensible and fact-based decisions on all matters in the country.

…and then I turn to NZ Herald only to spot an article titled:”Xi looks to extend his power”. And..

“From meetings largely cloaked in secrecy, powerful players will emergy publicly in new roles, and Xi will address the nation to lay out his political and economic vision for…Xi…powerful leader…dominate Chinese politics…with virtually no domestic opposition…purging political rivals…only one faction left…”

Just as the MMP in NZ, China has its own system of politics. Making the right changes in the leadership team is one of the main tasks of the Congress meeting, but making it sound like the Chinese president himself is dictating the country for his personal power gain is brainwashing.

Unlike the political meetings in New Zealand, the Chinese officials gather around in a meeting to address problems and make plans to solve them. China is a huge country full of all kinds of problems and challenges faced by not only China but all other countries.

Shouldn’t we kiwis try to learn from the creative solutions proposed and tested by the Chinese to work through these challenges? …which could honestly benefit us. Or should we simply attack our political system differences and be cynical or maybe incite hatred?

I do think the current meeting in China is about both the leaders and the people they serve. A comprehensive report is written involving 59 key organisations on 21 outstanding topics, the investigators went to 16 different provinces, to gather the first-hand data from all over the country. Unlike that in NZ where professors publish their own research that may simply end up useless in the immediate future or completely disconnected from what the government will do, this Congressional report in China is prepared with hard fact, problems identified and solutions proposed, and it is usually the key and reliable reference to know how well China, such a big nation, is really performing.

Can’t we learn something from China at all? Why should we always focus on the things that make us hate or despise? Why can’t we look at something that could be beneficial to our insight?
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October 18, 2017 8:16pm
JasonJohns

Haitians moving south in huge numbers, towards the volcanic plateau.
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October 18, 2017 8:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Terrible people. Even bleeding heart aid workers said they are the worst people they have ever met.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:21pm
- Jack5
  
  Hi Kia2:
  
  You’re back to your old entertaining self. Double chess. Plug in another pseudonym and it will be 3D chess.
  
  Enjoy it while you can.
  
  A favourite Haitian delicacy is roasted, stuffed parrot!
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:22pm
JasonJohns

Jack: I consider RealityCzech a contemptible fellow. I offer him no support here. I will call him out where possible. He tries to get under the skin of others but I am beyond that. Alpha, Omega…
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October 18, 2017 8:30pm
- realityczech
  
  You tell em JJ. 🙂
  
  A bit odd opening up about your emotions like that on a blog. Do you have someone you can talk to ?
  
  https://www.lifeline.org.nz/
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:33pm
- Jack5
  
  ? JasonJohns:
  
  No clown can stand divided against himself (or herself).
  
  No kea can stay on the perch and be divided against itself.
  
  But hell, you are a jolly clever parrot. A parroteer with both feet and beak at work, each working as an independent puppeteer!
  
  Klever, klever, Kea.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:36pm
- Jack5
  
  ? Is there such a thing as a bird psychiatrist?
  How can we get the Three Faces of ~~Eve~~ Kea to him or her?
  
  A bird taken in hand is worth three who are bushed.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jackie your conspiracy theories are becoming more elaborate and delusional. Go back to strutting around the blog defending gods master race and spreading hate against those gods master race hates.
    
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    October 18, 2017 8:50pm
    - Jack5
      
      ? Okay, okay…
      
      The bird psychiatrist will just have to work from a couple of your feathers, and a pile of your klever-bird droppings.
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://twicemodern.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/img062.jpg
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:03pm
    - Jack5
      
      Brilliant!
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        Drivel from psycho babblers
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:19pm
Brito

Could they not take some of this compensation money and pay for a one way ticket back to where this loon came from? Why is she still here?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96965591/plane-hijacker-could-get-25000-compensation-if-victims-dont-claim-it
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October 18, 2017 8:50pm
- realityczech
  
  No one from Somalia should be allowed here.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:52pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Abdille is originally from Somalia and arrived in New Zealand in 1994. She had a long history of mental health problems and had more than 20 convictions by the time she tried to hijack the plane.’
  
  Can’t be true , the gummint assure us that refugees who come here are carefully screened.
  
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  October 18, 2017 10:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    Immigrants are screened. Refugees can come here with serious mental and physical health issues.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:15pm
  - V
    
    To some extent they are scared from years of tribal warfare in Somalia, and witness to truly horrendous practices.
    
    Most reasonable NZers think we should accept genuine refugees – the question is how many, and we must ensure we have the resources to cater for their needs (such as mental health etc).
    
    This nuance is totally lost by MSM which is entirely focussed on numbers, where more=better/more virtuous.
    
    If we can’t provide for them adequately then we should take fewer such that the systems we have aren’t overburdened.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:54pm
nasska

My girlfriend asked me if I could have a threesome, which of her friends I would choose.

Apparently I was only supposed to name one, not two.
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October 18, 2017 8:54pm
- realityczech
  
  Rape Culture.
  
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  October 18, 2017 8:57pm
AgentBallSack

Jesus is still missing.
As the supposedly number 1 witness to 60 people being murdered is this normal?
Apparently MGM is hiding him. God, I wish I knew who ran MGM. Any hints?
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October 18, 2017 8:59pm
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  Jonathan Glickman *
  Gary Barber *
  
  Why did I even bother looking?
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:09pm
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    cut and paste –
    
    Of the sixty(60) senior executives of the major Hollywood studios, trade unions, and talent agencies, fifty(50) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 83%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major Hollywood studios, trade unions, and talent agencies by a factor of 41.5 times(4,150 percent).
    
    https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-hollywood/
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:16pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    What a cohencidence!*
    
    *Not
    
    MGM stands for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Goldwyn and Mayer are easy to spot but who is behind the “Metro” part of the name then?
    
    Why it’s yet another Eskimo named Marcus Loew.
    
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    October 18, 2017 9:20pm
    - realityczech
      
      That fact is Anti -Inuit
      
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      October 18, 2017 9:28pm
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        My anti-Inuitism is caused by me being a Polar Bear supremacist
        
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        October 18, 2017 9:39pm
Rich Prick

BREAKING NEWS: Cindy is going with Winston and the Greens are their fluffer. Just kidding, who knows, but dreams are free.
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October 18, 2017 9:53pm
- realityczech
  
  Could happen. It will be fun to watch the melt downs on KB if it does. 🙂
  
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  October 18, 2017 9:59pm
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    Most of us actually want Cindy and Winston to clusterfuck with a Shaw ball each. It’s a long game.
    
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    October 18, 2017 10:06pm

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