General Debate 13 October 2017

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Harriet

Don’t fear …..I still think Winston will form government with Labour Lately. 😎
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October 13, 2017 9:25am
- starboard
  
  Hey Peters..
  
  NO
  
  Get over yourself..we dont want you.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:45am
- Liberty
  
  We Live in hope.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Oh well, I suppose Labour can claim another first, NZ’s first appointed female PM.
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:05pm
mandk

Shall we decide just not to have a government?
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October 13, 2017 9:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The country seems to be running pretty well with a caretaker government.
  
  Perhaps the Governor-General might consider simply telling the caretaker government to keep on doing what it’s been doing for twelve months or until Winston Peters runs out of steam, whichever is the sooner.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:28am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It’s fixing the house price crisis. All we need is three years of coalition negotiations and first time buyers will be having a ball.
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:40am
    - Liberty
      
      You a worried about housing and yet you voted for a doddery old fool .
      
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      October 13, 2017 11:20am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        I’m not worried at all about housing. I was merely pointing out a fact.
        
        Leaping to conclusions much?
        
        And just to correct you there I voted for a “doddery old fool who for the third time in 8 MMP elections is going to decide who governs – to accelerate the point at which we finally dustbin MMP”
        
        I voted for chaos, because that’s what MMP can deliver.
        
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        October 13, 2017 11:51am
  - mara
    
    Or the GG might start to earn her keep by calling this rabble to order and start banging heads together. It’s all become farcical.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:48am
    - peterwn
      
      It is far too early for the GG to intervene. The only time the GG would need to consider banging heads together is when the caretaker government no longer has ‘supply’ (money for the routine stuff) and the non-government parties refuse to support a ‘supply’ supply bill. If the GG considered she had to intervene it could lead to a messy situation as happened in Canberra in 1975 when the GG sacked Gough Whitlam.
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:59am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        What was messy about Gough Whitlam getting sacked? It was brilliant.
        
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        October 13, 2017 11:16am
- sHr0oMaN
  
  Agreed – we can just have informal twitter polls of spending decisions and leave the rest to the civil servants.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:34am
  - cmm
    
    Naah. Just don’t pay tax. Civil servants won’t work for free. They’ll all go home. Job done.
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:39am
    - holysheet
      
      Civil servants ~~won’t~~ don’t work.
      Ask Milky.
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:03am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        They don’t pay Tax either. All tax comes from the private sector
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:17pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sooooooooooooo business as usual then with the twatterati telling what they think and how we feel.
    
    What could go wrong?
    
    I know, I know, Winnie the Poo will want to form a government with National.
    
    (slow hand-clap followed by door closing)
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We have public servants and a Public Service in NZ.
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/public-service/page-1
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:35am
    - freethinker
      
      Yes and they don’t work either, at best they attend but usually just invent more rules to stifle the work of those who actually contribute taxes, perhaps only net net taxpayers should have the vote so beneficiaries and others whose only income is state benefits or wages/salaries would have to watch as their paymasters decide on a Govt instead of those now disenfranchised voting for more free money.
      
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      October 13, 2017 12:36pm
Manolo

Today’s Italy. African gangs run amok:
http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/italia/13263465/veneto-africani-gang-treno-supermercato-maxi-borgo-padova.html
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October 13, 2017 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I read that article..
  what does this mean?
  la commessa alle calcagna,
  
  was this shop assistant in your shoes?
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:36am
  - Manolo
    
    It is an idiomatic expression meaning the shop assistant (on her feet at the counter).
    
    Auguri ed un paio di scarpe per te.
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      grazie
      
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      October 13, 2017 9:51am
- EAD_TWO
  
  There’s no logical reason for third world migration into the West, apart from eradicating Western people which is what it’s about.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:51am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Just look how bad it is already:
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/the-west-in-sixties-and-50-years-later.html?m=0
    
    God help us what it will be like in another 50 years.
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:58am
tom hunter

Irrespective of Winston’s Big Reveal, I’ve dragged out ye olde spreadsheet and run the numbers for the first time in a decade.

On the one hand:
– youngest still in the middle of high-school.
– our old cat likely has another three years of life.
– “free” healthcare in my old-age, assuming I survive waiting in the queue, as I’ve just observed our elderly neighbors trying to do.
– university cheap (and likely to get cheaper if Jacinda has her way).
– The National Party’s values and principles.

On the other hand…
– the now near-certainty that NZ is locked into this cycle permanently, so “dark chuckles” for a National-led government in 2026 doing anything different to what John Key did.
– I’ve retired “young”.
– the farm will be destroyed by the haters and wreckers sooner or later, so may as well pull the plug sooner.
– Eldest son nearing the end of engineering degree and determined to head for the USA.
– daughter already in the USA.
– aging mother-in-law in USA and worried wife.
– even the insane Obamacare health insurance premiums work in the s/s, as do all the other numbers. Incredible as it may seem, I’m actually a better off – a LOT better off – moving to…
Davenport, Iowa

Yes, folks, that’s the sort of house you get for $US 649,900 – vastly less than an Auckland “mansion”. Safe across the border from the Illinois tax-and-spend nutters, but still just three hours drive from the Chicago relatives. Crime rates lower than Auckland – as is the state and federal tax.

Oh – and season tickets to Wrigley Field.

(P.S. pace the Dressed Stupidly and Standing in the Back Looking Stupid Party – I only put Nationals “values and principles” in for a laugh!)
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October 13, 2017 9:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Will there be another game at Wrigley Field this season? Can the Cubs recover from that grand slam home run yesterday?
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:38am
  - Kimbo
    
    …much less a date with the Dodgers! 😉
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:49am
  - double d
    
    the yankees are making a late season run and have a lot of big game players despite youthful roster – and if Judge finds his way post season — Yankees V Dodgers WS
    a dark horse to be sure …
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:58am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Cubs up by 7-4 in the fifth. Tension is high!
      
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      October 13, 2017 3:22pm
- PaulL
  
  That house looks awful. Not. You could get a tractor to mow all that lawn…and to plow the snow in winter.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:56am
- towaka
  
  I agree Tom,only a matter of before us Kulaks get it in the neck!
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:28pm
Maxx

The Green Party do not deserve to be I politics. It actually makes me mad to say that as I really do believe in a lot of the things that they are trying to achieve. I believe in protecting the environment, I believe in helping people through social policies. There is a difference though in that I believe you need to come at it from a position of economic strength to make policies sustainable so I can’t claim to be a Green voter. The world we live in his economic consequences behind every decision and I don’t New Zealand to end up as a Venezuela (extreme case, but useful for the point).

Looking at the timeline, it should have been clear to the leadership of the party a week ago when NZF was refusing to meet with them that they were going to be sidelined and be an insignificant part of any future Labour/NZF Government. Shaw talks about Ardern looking after their interests in the negotiation. Let’s be clear, Ardern’s only goal (and rightly so) is to get Labour policies enacted. If she has to through the Green party a couple of bones she will. And that the Greens are going along with it shows that she is doing all she needs to do.

At the first sign that The Green Party were going to be excluded from LAB/NZF talks, then the senior leadership of the party should have been talking to the delegates whose votes they were going to need for any deal, and make them understand how they have an opportunity, and perhaps an opportunity greater than if LAB/GRN had been able to form a Government on their own, to get a substantial amount of their policy through. That is what leadership is about. It is about convincing people that the unpalatable choices you are making are in the best interest of the party.

The argument of course being that they couldn’t do it because they campaigned on a change of Government. I understand that. Yet a NAT/GRN Government would be substantially different to the previous one to the point that how could you say it was anything but a change of Government. And the other argument is that their party would desert them if they did this. I would argue that their party should desert them if they don’t get substantial policy through and at least as many seats around the table as NZF do. How many that is, is yet to be seen, but anything less than this makes it no different to 2005.

But to actually be in politics they need to be prepared to make the unpalatable decisions and back those up. Otherwise they may as well fold their support into the Labour party now. It seems that this is what Shaw has done in all but name. Any policy wins that come from a LAB/NZF/GRN Government can only be viewed as a Labour win, as they will have had to negotiate it with NZF.

Imagine that in 30 months’ time, they would be able to point to all of the wins that they have had. They can still turn around and say that Labour is their preferred coalition partner as their ideals more closely align. We all know that this will not happen. The Green Party are a party of ideals and as much as we would like to believe in that, it does not belong in politics. Politics is about finding common ground with whoever you need to find it with and making those deals. It is about being pragmatic and knowing that even though it isn’t exactly what you would like, a small step in the right direction is a win. There was evidence that The Green Party was starting to work in this fashion when they voted in favour of the budget as it was a step in the right direction. However it is clear now that this Green Party is too scared to act and why I say again, they do not deserve to be in politics.

PS. Sorry for the wall of text. Just getting this off my chest.
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October 13, 2017 9:32am
- cmm
  
  But, but, but… They self-identify as useful politicians.
  
  That should be enough for us. Who are we to trash their dreams?
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:42am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  No apology needed. What the Greens have failed to realise is that there are two ways you can change how the country is governed. You can change the Government, or you can change how the Government governs.
  
  They lack either the courage or intelligence to act decisively and constructively, and will achieve nothing unless they prove that they are willing to seek and act on a consensus. Their “my way of the highway” attitude is ultimately destructive.
  
  Politics is the art of the possible, but they lack the vision to do anything other than protest about how bad they think things are, and they are scared to do anything about it, because then we will see just how ineffectual and misguided they actually are!
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:45am
  - RF
    
    Surely it is the responsibility of the leader to be a bloody leader and not a whimp.
    
    I knew Shaw was a Nancy boy but thought someone in the party might just kick him hard in the arse and send him home crying to his mummies.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:13am
    - sooty
      
      Thank you, thank you, Me Tu, you tanked the Greens. Hopefully next election they are no more. I especialy liked you getting shanked by Taxcinda. Now no baubles for the Greens!
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:49am
    - peterwn
      
      No. If James dared to speak to Bill, he would get kicked hard in the pants, The Green Party is a communist party with a very thin green veneer (to attract the Remuera housewife vote) and the bulk of its membership have a philosophical and irrational hatred of National.
      
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      October 13, 2017 11:03am
- Brito
  
  What the Green’s have failed to see is that the Government has changed. Once the election was held the Government, which was National, United and ACT, dissolved (essentially).
  
  What the Green’s have been dishonest about is that they were trying to ‘get rid of National’. That’s why they can’t ever do a deal because it goes against their basic ideologies’.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:04am
  - Maxx
    
    I feel like I’m bashing my head into a brick wall when I talk to any lefties about this.
    
    Lets be clear. It’s not a change of Government that they want. It’s not National. They’re the anti-Nats.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:15am
  - Gabby
    
    You’ve bought the nats’ act Bitcho. By acting like smarmy smug bureaucrats they hoped to convince you they have a right to their jobs in perpetuity.
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:48am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      At the will of the people.
      
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      October 13, 2017 12:26pm
    - Brito
      
      Not so Gobby! No party should ever consider that it should rule in perpetuity. However, if they’re ambitious they’ll strive to win. And I judge them by way of rationality. If the numbers look right then they get my vote.
      
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      October 13, 2017 2:18pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    I said this on another thread. Green thinking as I see it is neither left nor right. Three of the pillars of green thinking are sustainability, localism and “small is beautiful.” A Green party should not be allied to either the left or right, and should be prepared to work with any party to achieve green goals. Labour’s bent towards big government and big union nanny statism should be as troubling to a real green party as National’s bent towards big corporate statism.
    
    I have voted for both ACT and the Green party in the past. I don’t think it’s a contradiction to do so.
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:44pm
    - Brito
      
      This is true, but the majority of the Green movement is captured by socialism. The real greens are a minority and therefore ineffective.
      
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      October 13, 2017 3:30pm
- holysheet
  
  opportunity greater than if LAB/GRN had been able to form a Government on their own, to get a substantial amount of their policy through.
  
  The fallacy to your argument is that you mention the word policy and gweens in the same sentence. With the gweens it’s all about the feelz, and good feelz means them doing fuck all work.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:08am
  - Maxx
    
    I disagree. The don’t have a greater opportunity to get greater policy under LAB/GRN Government as their ONLY option would be then to go with Labour – their party would not support anything else.
    
    Under a LAB/NZF/GRN Government, they will get scraps. Under a LAB/GRN Government, they will get a few policies.
    
    I think the policies that DPF suggested a couple of weeks ago is a fair assumption of what they could have negotiated. They wouldn’t get close to that under a LAB/GRN Government.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:19am
- cmm
  
  You’re making the awful assumption that they actually want to be in power.
  
  Being in opposition (especially for list MPs) means no responsibilities. Just complain and agitate – that’s what greens do best.
  
  And what a gig – you don’t have to do anything and get paid far more than you could in a civvy job with a useless basket weaving degree,
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:30am
Happychappy

Corin Dann seems to be the only one in the media that thinks Winston should be back tracking on the his dates to tell the Country who is the next PM and Government of NZ. One of the problems Peters has is that even his most loyal Jounalist over the years has turned on him and for Barry Soper that is fatal as he has been the one to push Peters bullshit over the years and the Todd Barclay affair with Bill English apparent 450 texts to his his ex staffer high lighting that. Lets see how long this circus goes and how much bad publicity Winston Peters creates for himself.
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October 13, 2017 9:33am
Right of way is Way of Right

When MMP was brought in to being, (which I didn’t vote for, incidentally), I remember hearing the oft repeated argument that we needed MMP to ensure that we were going to be governed by a true majority, not just a party that won the most seats, but who may have lost the so called ‘popular’ vote.

Well, now it looks like we will be governed at the whim of a leader whose party won no seats at all, and only got 7% of the popular vote!

I was against MMP from the beginning, because anyone who cannot win an electorate seat should not be in Parliament.

To me, an electorate seat is not just an area to be represented, but it is also a kind of job interview. It’s where you go to the people and you let them decide if you are a person of sufficient intelligence and standing to be trusted to act in our best interests.

The ‘party’ vote has removed that ability for the electorate to not just say “I want that person to represent me in the House”, but is has also removed the ability of New Zealanders to also say that “I do NOT want to see that person in Parliament!”

This is why we now have the reality where the person who will decide who forms the Parliament of New Zealand is also the same person who has lost THREE electorate seats.

If the people of Hunua, Tauranga, and Northland didn’t want him, how the hell has it transpired that he is now in such a position of power??

MMP is, was, and will always be an absolute dog of a system by which to elect a government, unless we can also vote for who we want as a potential coalition partner for the party that we cast our first vote for, and that vote should be binding!

That’ll remind the politicians that they work for us!
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October 13, 2017 9:39am
- Harriet
  
  “….To me, an electorate seat is not just a area to be represented, but it is also a kind of job interview….”
  
  Key consolidated the move away from ‘door knocking’ by placing select committees at the fore front of National governance, and now you have every left wing nut job in NZ submitting their nonsense on every issue before parliament……..which then leads to an outcome where all policy is made by ‘consensus’.
  
  In other words —— legislation that ends up being ‘not quite right’. 😎
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:48am
- Scott
  
  Right-of-way – totally agree. With our current system of MMP we have over 40 MPs in Parliament who have not been elected by an electorate but have come in on the party list. There are a lot of people who I don’t think would ever gain the confidence of the majority of an electorate. The Green party has many of those people sitting in Parliament right now.
  
  I think we made a mistake when we jettisoned first past the post? At least under FPP each electorate elected a representative who would go to Parliament and represent them. So to go to Parliament you had to gain the confidence of the majority of the people in the electorate.
  
  Now you go to Parliament because someone has put you on a list. It’s supposed to be a House of Representatives.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:54am
  - Harriet
    
    Under FPP I lived in an electorate that for years was a Labour stronghold – in other words my vote for National was ‘wasted’……..however I agree with you…….and I think the party list no’s should be reduced to say 1 party seat to every 10 people elected from a party…. ie…. if the Greens get 10 seats they can then have 1 party listed candidate in parliament, and labour getting 40 electorate seats sees them get 4 party seats……….and in that way votes aren’t ‘wasted’ in stronghold seats.
    
    There are currently far too many party seats.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:03am
    - Scott
      
      Harriet – I do understand your frustration. However at least the MP that represented your district was elected by the majority of the people. They had to at least pass muster. The system kept out people who were extremists with a radical political agenda.
      
      Sue Bradford comes to mind as an MP who never gained the confidence of the majority of an electorate but was in Parliament anyway and during that time foisted on us the deeply unpopular anti-smacking legislation.
      
      There is something fundamentally sound and democratic about the opportunity to elect your representative to Parliament rather than having someone come in because they are on a party list.
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:14am
    - VicParking
      
      This election was my first in 50 years of voting that my electorial vote was “not wasted”. Every electorate I have been is has been Labour in a big way. My first vote in Whanganui helped the National candidate win by 1706 votes. I voted for MMP mainly because of the above but in doing so never realised the “tail can wag the dog”.
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:31am
    - Paulus
      
      My view is for a start is no seats without at least one elected one.
      
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      October 13, 2017 1:39pm
- Maxx
  
  I agree. An electorate MP is beholden to the electorate. They don’t perform for the electorate, they’re.
  
  A list MP is beholden to the party who is beholden to voters. This is a very vague form of democracy.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:23am
- Ross12
  
  Totally agree Right of way is Way of Right
  But I don’t agree with Scott that FPP is the right way.
  I’ve always thought SM was the best way –it is really a mix of FPP and MMP.
  We are voting for a “House of Representatives” not just a set of policies to be enacted by a list of party nominations or selections. This is why I think electorate MPs are so important.
  Over recent days I’ve come to the conclusion NZ is too small for a MMP type system –there will always be two strong/big parties and the smaller guys will always struggle.
  In Germany there are 6-7 significantly sized parties ( 6-7 depending where you split the CDU & CSU). The CDU only got 25% of the vote this time but they are still the major power. In those circumstances a full proportional system is more likely to achieve the perceived benefits. In NZ I don’t think it will ever occur.
  Some on here have said too many of us are still in FPP type thinking. Well I don’t think that is true for most on KB but I think the MSM are definitely still there and I think many politicians still are (and not just the older ones). I’m not sure if the system we have, can be modified or we need a totally fresh look at how we do it but we have to somehow get rid of the “tail wagging the dog” or significantly reduce the power of the “tail”.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:44am
- mic
  
  I still can’t get my head around the fact that the Nats won the majority of the vote, yet we could end up with a government cobbled together with two parties without any electorate seats and theLabour party with 10 fewer seats than the Nats! Surely the party with the biggest majority should have some sway or what’s the point of voting at all ?
  
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  October 13, 2017 1:12pm
VicParking

The following email arrived in my inbox last night from a friend in the UK. Not sure if its been discussed on this blog. If so sorry, I’m sure however not all have read it: “I have been wondering about why whites are racists, and no other race is?
There are British Africans, British Chinese, British Asian, British Turks, etc, etc, etc.
And then there are just British. You know what I mean, plain ole English people that were born here. You can include the Welsh, the Scottish and the people who live off our shores of Great Britain on tiny islands. Yes, we are all true Brits.
The others that live here call me ‘White boy,’ ‘Cracker,’ ‘Honkey,’ ‘Whitey,’ ‘Caveman’ ‘White trash’ and that’s OK…
But if I call you, Nigger, Spade, Towel head, Paki, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook or Chink, you call me a racist. You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you. So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live? You have the Muslim Council of Great Britain. You have Black History Month. You have swimming pools for Asian women. You have Islamic banks for Muslims only.
You have year of the dragon day for Chinese people.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists. If we had White History Month, we’d be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to ‘advance’ OUR lives, we’d be racists. A white woman could not be in the Miss Black Britain or Miss Asia, but any colour can be in the Miss UK.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we’d be racists.
There are over 200 openly proclaimed Muslim only schools in England. Yet if there were ‘White schools only’, that would be racist!
In the Bradford riots and Toxteth riots, you believed that you were standing-up for your race and rights. If we stood-up for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you’re not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists. We fly our flag, we are racists. If we celebrate St George’s day we are racists. You can fly your flag and it’s called diversity. You celebrate your cultures and it’s called multiculturalism. You rob us, carjack us, and rape our daughters. But, when a white police officer arrests a black gang member or beats up an Asian drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist. I am proud…. but you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?? “
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October 13, 2017 9:41am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Did you reply to your friend that “that’s just white privilege talking”.
  
  There is always a made-up Orwellian thought-crime that can be tossed at whitey males whenever they try to argue ‘logic’ against ‘feelings’.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:48am
- wiseowl
  
  Vic P I suggest you send that to Devoid.
  
  Oh , second thoughts , she most likely would not get it.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:58am
- PaulL
  
  There’s a kernel of truth in there, and a lot of stupid.
  
  For example, Muslim is not a race. So no, there are no white only schools, but plenty of catholic ones.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:59am
  - VicParking
    
    A muslim can go to a catholic school but a catholic can’t go to a muslim school. And before you jump in, yes I know of a muslim family at a catholic school. Yes muslim is not a race but tell that to Susan Devoy.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  Britain is a country where certain people in power see their own history and heritage as “offensive”.
  
  ‘A market stall holder has been banned from having a stand in a town centre because she was selling ‘offensive’ Knights Templar coffee mugs.
  Tina Gayle has been prohibited from having a stall in Loughborough Market after someone complained about the mugs. ‘
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4973074/Market-trader-56-BANNED-town-centre.html
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:38am
  - VicParking
    
    So does the USA. So does New Zealand. Lets go back to the 70’s when statues and colonial war monuments were pulled down or vandisied to “Clean up our own history” or the 80’s when school books were pulled and curriculums changed to sanitise history.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:43am
    - Paulus
      
      We are seeing sanitised history in primary schools in New Zealand glorifying Maori history over any other.
      
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      October 13, 2017 1:43pm
- kowtow
  
  When is discrimination not discrimination?
  When a white male is disadvantaged.
  
  ‘The British Transport Police confirmed they are using “positive action” provisions in this case on their website, which states: “In line with our Positive Action initiative we are initially only offering this workshop to women and black/minority ethnic groups who are currently under-represented in the force.”
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/12/british-police-force-uses-positive-action-ban-white-men-recruitment-workshops/
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:22am
- Gabby
  
  Your friend’s a bit of a wee snofwake vicBarking.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:54am
  - VicParking
    
    Pot calling the kettle me thinks
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:58pm
- Duxton
  
  Good post, VicParking
  
  And if the three dickheads who downticked it are prepared to ‘fess up, I will donate $100 to the Pink Ribbon appeal.
  
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  October 13, 2017 8:06pm
Random T Person

Obnoxious asshole Slater is getting right behind Winston on his refusal to name the board. Ha ha.
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October 13, 2017 9:46am
- Kimbo
  
  Yes, so much for “sunlight is the best disinfectant”. 😉
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2010/11/sunlight-is-the-best-disinfectant/
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:51am
- Nookin
  
  Really? You visit Whaleoil? Either you are into self-flagellation or have joined the political equivalent of the Harvey Weinstein Fan Club
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:58am
  - Random T Person
    
    Yes I go there for a laugh, rarely come away disappointed.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:19am
- VicParking
  
  He might be on it??
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:59am
- Tarquin North
  
  When you describe Brian Edwards as your good friend you know it’s time to up the meds.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    I might be wrong but I thought the idea was to get up his nose in a big way, because he did not like whale.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:59am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Hard to tell at the moment, he’s so busy sucking up to Winston.
      
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      October 13, 2017 1:18pm
oldpark

Winston Peters draws most of his support from the Confused, and bewildered. By the time there is a new Government,and before the ink is dry . Many of his supporters will have become the disappeard and future long term residents of cemeteries,and creamatoriums.
Should Peters and his gang of free loaders end up supporting a Lie-bour/Green mafias cabal he will be at home.Just confirming his track record of being a nasty individual. That will be a legacy treated with WTF.
Worst scenario will be for NZs, as by Peters selecting the party of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern ,and the “Poll Pot” type of Greens to be in charge of NZs Government ,will be a crime against the wishes of hundreds of thousand of NZs who didn’t vote for a busted economy and to satisfy the vision of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern to turn NZ into a Socialist Republic. Lets hope Peters dosn’t turn out to be our biggest “Judas” MP emulating another real “Judas” from biblical times. .
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October 13, 2017 9:54am
- brett68
  
  Worst scenario will be for NZs, as by Peters selecting the party of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern, and the “Poll Pot” type of Greens to be in charge of NZ Government
  
  That’s what it’s going to be, rocky road ahead.
  
  NZ once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, it’ll take a decade at least to recover from that clusterfuck.
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  I am a similar age to Winston and have worked hard all my life for my good lifestyle, but I am often reminded by my wife that I forget what I have said or done.
  Not unusual in old aged men I am informed by my doctor. A natural process for many, but not Winston, who has really done sweet fa for many years.
  
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  October 13, 2017 1:47pm
VicParking

The failing newspaper has a headline “Jian Yang didn’t disclose Chinese intelligence connections in citizenship application” The article stated “He said he was not a spy, but conceded he was involved in training spies to assess intercepted communications.” I can name two of my high school teachers who taught students who went on to murder their wives. Does that mean that these teachers taught these students to murder. I think not. The Herald is nothing but a trash newspaper that will find anything to run down the government (National). How are they going to fill up more than one or two pages of their rag if the Ghidorah gets in power. Maybe ‘Lorde has pimple on her chiny chin chin’
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October 13, 2017 9:56am
- Jack5
  
  Vic, Jian Yang worked in the Chinese equivalent of America’s key intelligence network, the NSA.
  
  No way should National have selected him as a list MP.
  
  This country is a member of the Five Eyes core Western electronic intelligence network, and the overseas media have noticed that Jian Yang (he’s described as Dr Jian Yang on the National web site) is in our Parliament.
  
  National’s selection process seems very poor. Apart from Jian Yang, it’s given us Pansy Wong, Aaron Gilmore, and Todd Barclay.
  
  Appointing someone from China’s intelligence establishment, caps them all.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:18am
  - Jack5
    
    NZ, compared with Australia, has its head in the sand over China’s influence in the country.
    
    Last weekend, Australia’s most senior diplomat, Frances Adamson, secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade issued a warning about the Chinese Communist Party’s influence in Australian universities (link, repeated below).
    
    Earlier this year, reports the ABC, Australia’s domestic spy chief, Duncan Lewis, warned Australia’s Parliament that espionage and foreign interference in Australia were occurring on “an unprecedented scale”.
    
    Meanwhile, our National Party appears buddies with Beijing. I find it interesting that two former leaders of the National Party are on the NZ boards of Chinese banks, for example.
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-09/universities-warned-to-resist-chinese-communist-party-influence/9030372
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:28am
    - kowtow
      
      Stephen Franks has 2 excellent blogs on this subject. Here is a link to his blog.
      
      I find it extraordinary that this man was a member of the Communist Party and no one bats an eyelid .
      
      Funny how the Nationalistas here have a problem with foreigner and ex commie Russel Norman but no problem with foreigner and commie (?) Yang.
      
      http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/q-e-d-on-spies-from-the-minister-responsible-for-our-security-intelligence-sevices/
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:50am
  - flipper
    
    C R A P !
    And if is NOT crap, wot about the union and sick rainbow parachutists ???????????
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:00pm
  - VicParking
    
    The leader of the labour party was president of a international communist organisation and she was picked to ‘lead the country’…..maybe
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:01pm
    - Jack5
      
      But she didn’t work for a foreign intelligence agency, Vic.
      
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      October 13, 2017 2:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Good work, Jack. I remain amazed that this story has died out. And that some people think it is a bade thing to have a member of the
        Socialist International as the leader of the Labour Party while being completely relaxed about the National Party caucus including a Chinese Communist Party member with close ties to their intelligence agencies.
        Thankfully a few independent commentators like Stephen Franks and Michael Reddell are still on the case.
        
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        October 13, 2017 2:24pm
- Gabby
  
  That was pretty dopey even for you vicBarking.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Sarcasim..my bow was just as long as theirs
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:02pm
EAD_TWO

As its a Friday, I thought I’d go a little off piste and ask does anyone here actually experience “white guilt”?

https://youtu.be/nDxMpWn165c

I always though that was just a Marxist lie as I sure as hell don’t. Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa and India. Slaves out picking cotton in the sunshine singing spirituals had a far better life than our ancestors working 14 hour days in mines and factories for poverty wages from the age of 12 or getting press ganged into the navy and flogged for any backchat.

White indentured labourers were treated far worse than black slaves as the owners only had them for a few years so thrashed them like rental cars whereas the negroes were a long term asset amd better cared for.

IMHO, anyone who expresses white guilt must be very stupid, very brainwashed, or more likely both.
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October 13, 2017 10:03am
- Harriet
  
  Any statue connected to the Confederacy has become fair game to topple. It matters not most wearing the Confederate gray either owned no slaves or, like Gen. Robert E. Lee, were anti-slavery. Interestingly, the last U.S. president to own slaves fought for the North – Ulysses S. Grant.
  
  It also matters not most that slaves bought to America across the seas sailed under the flags of the British and US, not the Confederate flag.
  
  ‘topplers’ are, more to the point ‘the lobotomised’. 😎
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:11am
  - alwyn
    
    “last U.S. president to own slaves fought for the North – Ulysses S. Grant.”.
    Technically that is true except for the plural. He apparently owned ONE slave who he freed before the Civil War.
    “not the Confederate flag”.
    Hardly surprising given that the Confederate flag wasn’t created until 1861, after the Civil War had started. The last known slave ship was the Clotilde which arrived in 1859.
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:04pm
- SGA
  
  Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa and India. Slaves out picking cotton in the sunshine singing spirituals had a far better life than our ancestors …
  
  I don’t think that the hundreds of thousands of African slaves that ended up in the British and French Caribbean found their life improved by the experience. By all accounts it differed rather dramatically from your picture of happy niggers pickin cotton for their paternalistic massas.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:20am
- treadingthemill
  
  Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa and India.
  
  I find it hard to believe that anyone would be ignorant enough to think that was the case.
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:27pm
Brito

Very interesting statements coming out suggesting we are the third most obese people on the planet. What would happen if we sift the data by ethnicity? Take out the Pacific Island and Maori data and the national obesity level decreases. Take out the Indian communities’ data and we decrease further.

The measurement method is the standard BMI (Body Mass Index) which is a broad-based population index which makes huge assumptions about a person being measured. For example, many of the All Blacks would be considered morbidly obese because their height to weight ratio forces them into the obese category.

The BMI blunt instrument has been used to tell men and women that they need to lose weight and change their diets, even if it is patently obvious that the person in front of you is not a ‘fatty’. This adds to the angst of a person who is visiting a Doctor and is often a fall-back position for the medical profession.

Is it possible to look at the different ethnic groups and ask what the motivators are for leaning towards a ‘normal’ BMI or an ‘obese’ BMI? What drives a person to KFC while another is driven to whole foods and fruit? Is there a link between education, minimum wages and manual employment rolls?

I think the application of BMI is the medical equivalent of the deceit used to promote the concept of human impacts on climate change…just so much bullshit.
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October 13, 2017 10:08am
- holysheet
  
  ya mean like this??
  https://dollarvigilante.com/storage/2011/2011-09-september/US%20Government.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1312844297151
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:15am
  - Brito
    
    He’s an albino from Nigeria.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:49am
- Scott
  
  Brito– steady on there old son. I just had a bacon and egg sandwich and while it was delicious, it may not have done much for my BMI 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:17am
  - Brito
    
    If you lie around and do nothing or east them all the time (with fries) you’ll end up like Captain Blobby. If you aren’t lying around and don’t eat them all the time…no problem.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:49am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Nothing wrong with the bacon and eggs – protein.
    Just get rid of the bread – starch.
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:11am
    - GoVege
      
      Make sure the eggs are SPCA approved free-range, and ditch the piece of piggy person.
      It’s so processed, it practically guarantees bowel cancer…
      
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      October 13, 2017 5:32pm
  - Maxx
    
    I think its also important to look at HOW the food is prepared.
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:57am
- MrTips
  
  BMI is blunt tool and most researchers and docs will admit that. Waist to hip is probably better but GPs don’t seem to use it. Personally, I prefer the proper use of BMI in that is stands for Bring Me Indian, STAT.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:26am
  - Jack5
    
    If they measured the BMI around our gyms and rugby changing rooms (women’s as well as men’s) they would indeed think our fittest people are all over weight, if not obese.
    
    BMI is a flawed index.
    
    Given that, however, you have to admit there are a lot of fatties around – far more than when I was a kid half decades ago.
    
    Sometimes TV camera staff must curse when they go out to get footage to illustrate “poverty” only to find the “destitute” are as fat as once only rich aristocrats could be.
    
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    October 13, 2017 10:35am
    - Brito
      
      If you watch footage from the fifties and sixties you’ll see that most NZer’s were lean and fit (smoking and six o’clock swill aside).
      
      Are we less active than this generation? I don’t think so. We’re not eating as much meat and fats as these folk did but our consumption of sugar is the factor which keeps increasing the girth. Genetics also mean some are more prone to putting on the pounds – Indian’s and Pacific Islanders share a gene which means their ability to process fats is not as efficient as other ethnicities.
      
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      October 13, 2017 10:55am
    - flipper
      
      BUT, BUT, BUT ……the fact Richie McCaw was about 107 kgs meant according to BMI he was obese. What load pseudo medical sci-fi crap.
      
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      October 13, 2017 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  Sorry brito but on my skirmishing forays out to get sustenance I see the most gross assortment of fat fucks all over the place, waddling here and there or sitting behind the wheel of their car and behind the biggest double chin ever and many of them are …….white.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:55am
  - Brito
    
    I can understand that kowtow but the facts are supported by science. Essentially what the following says is that your Fat Mass is much higher if you’re black than if you’re white.
    
    Effects of ethnicity, gender, obesity, and age on central fat distribution: Comparison of dual x-ray absorptiometry measurements in white, black, and Puerto Rican adults.
    
    Marcus MA1, Wang J1, Pi-Sunyer FX1, Thornton JC1, Kofopoulou I1, Pierson RN Jr1.
    Author information
    Abstract
    Population based studies relying primarily upon anthropometric surrogates of fat distribution have shown that central or upper-body adiposity is related to ethnicity, gender, age, and total body fatness. As an improvement over anthropometry, dual x-ray absorptiometry (DXA) provides more precise measurements of fat mass (FM) in the total body and trunk. DXA was performed on 510 apparently healthy White (81 females (f), 64 males (m)), Black (94 f, 79 m), and Puerto Rican (102 f, 100 m) adults aged 20-75 years in order to determine and compare the effects of race, gender, age, and total FM on trunk FM. Trunk FM was greater for Blacks and Puerto Ricans than Whites, irrespective of gender (P < 0.014). Puerto Rican males and females had a greater proportion of fat in the trunk (%TrFM) than Whites or Blacks (P 0.67). Females had less %TrFM than males in all three ethnic groups (all P 0.16), but the coefficient for total FM was larger for Puerto Rican compared to Black females (P = 0.043). Trunk FM increased with age in Whites and Puerto Ricans (P 0.24). The effects of age did not differ by gender or ethnicity among Whites and Puerto Ricans (P > 0.10). Adjustment for total FM and age eliminated ethnic and gender differences in trunk FM (all P > 0.37). The results suggest that the high levels of central adiposity observed among Blacks and Hispanics relative to Whites reflect patterns of generalized obesity observed in the respective populations. Patterns of accumulation of truncal FM with increasing age and obesity may not be generalizable to all ethnic groups. Am. J. Hum. Biol. 10:361-369, 1998. © 1998 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
    Copyright © 1998 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
    
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    October 13, 2017 2:02pm
    - starboard
      
      Ummm…do you work? Like, do you have a job?
      Just askin.
      
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      October 13, 2017 5:26pm
      - Brito
        
        I run the show Starboard so I can comment whenever I feel like it. I notice you’re quite wordy at all times. You must work for a government department.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:32pm
      - mikenmild
        
        starboard is the lonely occupant of a Christchurch council bedsitter. It’s most unlikely to find him commenting at this time – he’s usually already in for the $9.95 early bird roast at the Woolston Club.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:37pm
      - starboard
        
        Your mamas knows the address mm
        
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        October 13, 2017 9:08pm
Nukuleka

Here in Christchurch there seems to be a concerted effort by powers that be to rob us of our sense of community identity- I am wondering of this is a NZ-wide phenomenon or is it just a Christchurch thing. Local schools such as Woolston, now ‘Te Waka Unua’, and Aranui community school, now ‘Haeata’ , have abandoned any reference to the community in which they are situated. Christchurch Polytechnic, CPIT, has had its Christchurch identity removed and is now named ‘Ara’. Christchurch Public Library, in the process of construction, is to be called ‘Turanga’, with no reference to our city or even to the fact that it is a library. What is going on? Are we now meant to be ashamed of our communities and our city?

Is this happening elsewhere?
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October 13, 2017 10:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It might confuse folks from Gisborne.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisborne,_New_Zealand
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:46am
  - journo
    
    And there are some who would like to see us reverting to the old name, Maggy – it’s been discussed in just the past week. Not going to happen but Poverty Bay seems to be heading for a revision.
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:22pm
- Brito
  
  This is an easy answer. You are now owned and quietly being directed by….Ngai Tahu.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  The woman who runs the library must be a Leftist PC zealot. The incompetent, Left-wing dominated City Council is in synch with her, however.
  
  Sadly for the Leftist PC librarians there are only a tap-drip of Maori language books compared with an annual 560,000 English-language titles from North America, Britain, Australia and India (a quarter of its books are in English).
  
  The latest trend for libraries is to offer shelter to the destitute. I guess the librarians know that publishing is beginning a transformation to digital books. They may need a survival path.
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:56am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    LIANZA are the CULT behind this BS.
    
    llLocal librarians, dead against turning libraries into homeless shelters, were barred from attending the last conference where PC, multi-culty libtards spouted diversity- feelings for 4 days to endless Waiata and cultural handwringing.
    
    CULT
    
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    October 13, 2017 4:25pm
- kowtow
  
  In Dunners they revamped the Otago Settlers Museum and renamed it Toitu. A “gift” from Ngai Tahu.And it went against the wishes of a clear majority in a “consultation”.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/fixation-renaming-brings-unnecessary-change
  
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  October 13, 2017 10:59am
- Jack5
  
  Another example from Christchurch, Nukuleka, is the name change of what was the Canterbury Community Trust, set up to distribute millions from the half billion or so from the sale of savings banks in the upper South Island.
  
  As discussed recently on Kiwiblog, it’s become the Rata Foundation, complete with a kaumatua (and now with macrons in the title name).
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:08am
  - itstricky
    
    OMG. MACRONS! THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:15am
    - Jack5
      
      The problem is using macrons in the English language, Comrade Itstricky.
      
      Other languages, including Maori, can use whatever diacritical marks they wish: in the case of Maori, the written language is apparently still being created, so the more the merrier.
      
      Fanatics who try to force diacritical marks from other languages into the English language are the problem.
      
      In English should we really spell Düsseldorf with an umlaut above the “u”? Should we use French-language diacritical marks when we refer to Nîmes or Besançon or Orléans?
      
      It would be only a step from that to having to refer to “Москва” when meaning Moscow, or “北京” when referring to Beijing.
      
      When we are writing in English we should leave out the diacriticals. When we are writing in Maori pile in as many as the Maori academics want.
      
      On a practical note: an organisation is stymied if it wants to use names with diacritical marks as an internet address as well as for other communication.
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Does it hurt you when people use macrons?
        I should have thought it helpful to have the guidance on vowel length.
        Likewise, it might be good to know to say Doo-sseldorf instead of Duh-sseldorf.
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:50pm
      - starboard
        
        Off to the Halloween group glory hole session tonight MM down at local shithouse? May I suggest you take itsdrippy with you, it seems he could do with a night out.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:18pm
      - itstricky
        
        Fanatics who try to force diacritical marks from other languages into the English language are the problem.
        
        You’d better start correcting these, then:
        
        https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_words_with_diacritics
        
        While you’re at it, start correcting the dictionaries, as well:
        
        https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/eclair
        
        When we are writing in Maori pile in as many as the Maori academics want.
        
        News flash: We live in New Zealand. Not Scotland. Maori is an official language of this country.
        
        an organisation is stymied if it wants to use names with diacritical marks as an internet address as well as for other communication.
        
        Maori accents have been available in domain names since 2010. “Native language” unicode domain names have been around longer.
        
        http://www.taiuru.māori.nz/
        http://тест.қаз/
        http://españa.icom.museum/
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        So, Comrade Istricky, you use in English, for example, cañón for canyon, and coöperate for co-operate?
        
        See these every day, do you? Full of bullshit, you are ….
        
        As for the diacriticals in internet names: how many busy people will look up special characters to get an internet address (if they haven’t already adjusted their software)?
        
        One of the examples you quote is a Russian address. Most important Russian sites use roman letters – without diacritical marks. For example, tass.com and yandex.ru. The country address for Russia is .ru, NOT .Ро (for Россия).
        
        Yes we live in NZ, and English is an official language as well as Maori. If you write in English use English, if you write in Maori use Maori. There’s no need to mix them up into a pigeon English that not even Google Translate can analyse.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:59pm
      - Jack5
        
        Rātā Foundation’s web address is:
        
        http://www.ratafoundation.org.nz
        
        No macrons in the web address.
        
        I tried it with macrons, as in rātāfoundation org nz
        
        Didn’t work.
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        Comrade Itstricky:
        
        I tested the web addresses with macrons that you offered in your 5.36 post. Only the Maori domain, with its macrons, seems to work, but the special character “ā” will scare off many overseas people trying to reach it.
        
        1. http://españa.icom.museum/ defaults to http://www.icom-ce.org/
        
        2. In http://www.taiuru.māori.nz/ – “māori” is the domain name. A helluva lot of people round the world will hesitate before trying to find out how to enter “ā”.
        
        3. The country code, kaz, stands for Kazakhstan. the three letters, k, a, and z are common to both Cyrillic/Russian (one of Kazakhstan’s two official languages, and as its main language of business) and Roman/English. So kaz isn’t a solid argument for successfully using non-English characters in an internet address.
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:55pm
      - itstricky
        
        See these every day, do you?
        
        Don’t argue with me, go and correct Wikipedia. Go on, you can do it. Right now. You can edit Wikipedia and tell them that they’re all wrong. I dare you to.
        
        After that, contact Collins – tell them they’re all wrong as well. I mean 40 years of being a source of the English language counts for nothing because “Jack knows better”?
        
        I don’t look twice if I see éclair in a sentence. It doesn’t bother me one little bit. I don’t sit there, fretting about the decline of Western civilization for the rest of the day. When a Government form asks for “née” I don’t rush off and hide under a bed.
        
        I tried it with macrons, as in rātāfoundation org nz. Didn’t work.
        
        You don’t have to have macrons. But you can, if you want. And in this case they either don’t care that much, or haven’t thought about it. Let me remind you, you said:
        
        an organisation is stymied if it wants to use names with diacritical marks as an internet address
        
        Well, no, an organisation is not stymied if it wants to use diacritical marks in Internet addresses – because if they want to, they can.
        
        1. http://españa.icom.museum/ defaults to http://www.icom-ce.org/
        
        No, it doesn’t “default”. It redirects. The fact that it doesn’t display that name when you reach the site does not change the fact that you can put a accented name into your browser without issue.
        
        “māori” is the domain name. A helluva lot of people round the world will hesitate before trying to find out how to enter “ā”.
        
        But you don’t have to put in an accented ‘a’. http://www.taiuru.maori.nz/ takes you to exactly the same place.
        
        Again, back to the previous argument. You said “organisation is stuffed if they want to use macrons”. No, they are not. They are most certainly not.
        
        So kaz isn’t a solid argument for successfully using non-English characters in an internet address.
        
        All of the characters in that domain are not from the standard A-Z alphabet. I have no idea where you’re going with that one. No idea at all.
        
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        October 13, 2017 8:39pm
      - itstricky
        
        Oh, and although you’ve got a vast array of inaccuracies in all your statements on this subject, I thought I would pick this one – just because it is the most obvious:
        
        The country address for Russia is .ru, NOT .Ро (for Россия).
        
        No. Incorrect. The Romanicized version is .ru but .рф does exist and has existed as a TLD for the Russian Federation since 2010
        
        Such as:
        
        http://сгау.рф
        
        I’m not doing anything special here, Jack, just using Google.
        
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        October 13, 2017 8:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Comrade Itstricky, click on an address with the country code рф (if you have a cyrillic keyboard it’s easier) and you will see in the browser command line that the address then defaults to .ru.
        
        I correspond with folk in Russia, and they have addresses in roman/English characters. For example, Yandex.ru is a big Russian email host (it does other things as well).
        
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        October 13, 2017 9:32pm
      - sam green
        
        Jack5 knows – he’s been using the Russian brides site.
        
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        October 13, 2017 10:49pm
      - itstricky
        
        click on an address with the country code рф (if you have a cyrillic keyboard it’s easier) and you will see in the browser command line that the address then defaults to .ru.
        
        For a second time. It’s not a “default”. It’s a redirect from the рф site to the ru one. The country code рф still works. And it is an example of a business using a non-standard character set that you claim “is just too difficult”
        
        I correspond with folk in Russia, and they have addresses in roman/English characters.
        
        But that doesn’t mean that Cyrillic site names don’t exist, or won’t work.
        
        I dunno. This is a bit like talking to a brick wall.
        
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        October 13, 2017 11:01pm
  - Gabby
    
    The Murray name’s to hide the Nat takeover.
    
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    October 13, 2017 3:54pm
- itstricky
  
  If they want to change their name, it’s their prerogative.
  
  Whether or not the world decides to refer to Siam, Burma, East Pakistan or Rhodesia again bears little consequence to me.
  
  Conspiracy to rob you of community and make you ashamed? I doubt it. There’s 101 marketing reasons to change a name.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Comrade Itstricky:
    
    You show the usual Leftist ignorance of marketing when you say that an organisation called a Community Trust, whose purpose is to distribute charity, benefits from a marketing perspective by changing its name to Rata Foundation!
    
    And adding a kaumatua, and spelling its name with Maori letters (carrying macrons) thus: Rātā Foundation – how does that help with marketing?
    
    From a “community trust” with connotations of being “for the community” it has moved to a name that might be for a horticulture group.
    
    Too bad you can’t use macrons in internet addresses.
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:51pm
    - itstricky
      
      Seems pretty simple to me:
      
      http://www.ratafoundation.org.nz/who-we-are/about-us/identity-evolution
      
      You should probably note that it specifically says they needed to take “Canterbury” out of the name because it was causing confusion.
      
      Sure, you’re welcome to make suggestions about why you think it’s a crap name, just as I think ‘The Breeze’ is a stupid name for a radio station but I really don’t see how this is robbing any one of community spirit, nor making anyone ashamed.
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ah, Comrade Itstricky, you self-declared marketing expert, you must concede that a commercial radio station’s name should seek to attract listeners, on whom it ultimately depends for advertising revenue. The Breeze does that.
        
        A community trust, distributing funds derived from generations of savers, can benefit from having a name that reflects its purpose – a trust for the community.
        
        As mentioned before, “Nelson and Marlborough” could have easily been added to the title.
        
        Instead it has the name that might suit some sort of environmental organisation or gardening group.
        
        I don’t know what you mean in your statement about a name making anyone (or someone) feel ashamed. The only shame in the discussion so far is your pompous claim to be a marketing and (by implication) branding expert.
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:20pm
      - itstricky
        
        A community trust, distributing funds derived from generations of savers, can benefit from having a name that reflects its purpose – a trust for the community.
        
        I see. So ‘Spark’ should be called ‘Phone and Internet Company’
        
        As mentioned before, “Nelson and Marlborough” could have easily been added to the title.
        
        Really? Canterbury, Nelson and Marlborough Community Trust? Just rolls off the tongue, doesn’t it?
        
        your pompous claim to be a marketing and (by implication) branding expert.
        
        Sorry, can you point me to exactly where I said that?
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:07pm
      - starboard
        
        It’s the maorification we don’t like drippy. This is white man’s land. You fellas need to remember your place in the pecking order…down there.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:49pm
  - sam green
    
    Yesterday he was worried about their “PC” board and now he’s worried about their name – I did suggest he put his name up for consideration as a board member then he could feel in control. Alas, he declined.
    
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    October 13, 2017 3:53pm
    - itstricky
      
      Wa wa wa teachers have such an easy life wa wa wa six weeks holiday wa wa wa.
      
      OK – become a teacher.
      
      [silence]
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sam, you Leftist twit, you’ve been hiding your light under a bushel.
      
      I didn’t realise you were the bureaucrat who signed off appointments to the community trusts.
      
      However, given how the trusts are being stacked with politically correct ladies and friends of Maori, I should have suspected you were in charge.
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:13pm
      - itstricky
        
        Que?
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:20pm
      - sam green
        
        Je suis d’accord – Que?
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        Jeez Sam, why do you lapse into French for:
        “Je suis d’accord – Que?” : I agree – what?
        
        Are you issuing a challenge for some sort of linguistic pissing contest?
        
        The Left is deranged.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:07pm
      - itstricky
        
        au-dessus de sa tête
        
        OMG! A CIRCUMFLEX!
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Comrade Itstricky: no problems with diacritical marks in other languages, such as French. But just don’t import them into English.
        
        Pleased to see you and Sam Groan have been able to master Google Translate, Comrade Itstricky.
        
        There are plenty of other good translation tools on the web for you to try.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:31pm
      - sam green
        
        You’re such a sook Jack5.
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s a bit of a fairy riposte, Sam Groan.
        
        Why am I not surprised?
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:11pm
      - sam green
        
        Oh dear Jack5.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t call me “dear”, Sam.
        
        I like women.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:55pm
      - sam green
        
        Pity they don’t like you.
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Jeez! Sam: they tell you that when you chat in the room labelled Women or Ladies? How on earth does my pseudonym come up?
        
        Sigh! But thanks for passing that on ?
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:16pm
      - sam green
        
        “Rāta” isn’t an English word by the way.
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        I agree that “rāta” is not an English word.
        
        However “rata” (without the macron) is. It’s listed in my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary as:
        
        Rata: a large and handsome forest-tree of New Zealand, bearing crimson flowers and yielding a hard red wood.
        
        That’s the point, isn’t it? In Maori it’s rāta or rātā. In English it’s rata.
        
        We have two languages in NZ (beside signing). Why turn NZ English into some sort of pidgin English?
        
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        October 13, 2017 8:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Rāta” isn’t an English word by the way.
        
        Yes it is.
        Check out p.658-659 of The Oxford Dictionary of NZ English.
        
        I should know… as I was the Advisory Editor for all the plant name entries…
        Also p. 1749 of the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1973)
        p.1345 Collins English Dictionary- complete and unabridged (2003)
        p. 1269 The Chambers Dictionary -10th ed. (2006)
        
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        October 13, 2017 8:32pm
      - Jack5
        
        I have open beside my keyboard, page 1749 of Volume II (M-Z) of The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary on Historical Principles 1973 edition, “revised with corrections 1975”.
        
        The entry for Rata is clearly just that, without any macrons.
        
        However, the pronunciation, as usual sitting beside in brackets, says (rātӑ ) [the first “a” has a macron, the second has a breve, but I can’t get it to sit above that “a” so here I’ve left it on its own]
        
        In Chambers, I have only the 1983 New Edition. It lists rata without macrons, but in the pronunciation guide gives it as rātә.
        
        My Collins dictionary is 1979. It describes rata (without macrons and with pronunciation in standard phonetic symbols) as:
        
        Either of two New Zealand myrtaceous trees … etc etc
        
        I don’t plan to buy a New Zealand English Dictionary, though I might buy a Maori-English dictionary.
        
        My view is: We don’t need macrons in English in NZ – that is pidginizing into existence an NZ English. With the great communications now, we may not need an NZ dialect or version of the great English language for centuries to come.
        
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        October 13, 2017 9:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I loathe using macrons when I have to type out plant species lists… usual format in NZ is to give
        Scientific Name (Latin binomial), Common name in English, and Maori name (if it exists).
        I’m exhausted by the time I’ve got the 3 columns aligned.
        If folks don’t know how to pronounce the Maori name of the plant, they can check it out themselves…. just as they can check out how to pronounce the binomial correctly.
        
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        October 13, 2017 9:18pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Nukuleka – it’s happening right across the White Christian world.
  
  Why is it happening – because we are being targeted for removal.
  
  The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history. – George Orwell
  
  Just look what they’re doing to poor Ireland:
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/the-perils-of-blending.html?m=0
  
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  October 13, 2017 4:57pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Back to the fake quotes again?
    
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    October 13, 2017 5:00pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    it’s happening right across the White Christian world.
    
    Most white people are not Christians anymore. Christendom has not existed for a long time. There is no white Christian world.
    
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    October 13, 2017 5:04pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history. – George Orwell
    
    Christianity did that to European people. It was a foreign, Middle Eastern import, just like Islam is. It stripped European people of their self-understanding, their identity, spirituality, culture and history. If you want to blame anything for the destruction of white people and their history, and I’m not saying that is actually happening now, then blame Christianity.
    
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    October 13, 2017 5:11pm
flipper

Until Peters and MMP depart this earth, we are destined for more of this pseudo political sci fi bullshit. So until then, put aside all the bullshit and remind the media, Peters, Redmelon Shaw, the near defunct union run mob, and hand
wringers to the following:
Party Votes % vote Seats
ACT 11,075 0.1% 1
Greens 162,443 6.1% 8
Labour 956,184 36.9% 46
National 1,152,075 44.4% 56
N Z First 186,706 7.0% 9
Suggestions that this is a vote for change are crap.
Peters et al need reminding of that – hourly.
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October 13, 2017 10:25am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes you are right.
  And more importantly I did not detect a mood for change amongst my friends and workmates.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:26am
  - Maxx
    
    There was definitely a mood for change. It just happened to be the same people who didn’t want change in 2008. Just like there was also a mood for the status quo.
    
    Now if Nats had gotten sub 40% and Labour 40% you could say there was an overwhelming mood for change. Quite a big difference.
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:00pm
- jcuk
  
  Wether the country wants a change of government is open to question but a sure thing is that many NZders would appreciate a bit more humanity coming from a National govt to match their movement to the left of politics.
  A complete reversal of WINZ to educate its staff that they are there to look after the welfare of bene’s rather than save money.
  A meaningful rebuild of state housing stock instead of selling off the old stock to private ownership to rack the unfortunates.
  Just two urgently needed changes of policy while keeping the country on a even keel as they have done during their three terms.
  But sadly National are the ‘do nothing’ party of the self satisfied hands off so I doubt if they will/could fix those problems and others … all very sad for NZ.
  
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  October 13, 2017 3:32pm
  - Happychappy
    
    jcuk that’s right create more dependence for Social Welfare in NZ by just chucking millions of dollars at it, how does that help people. Then tell us what Labour did to keep our housing stock healthy and why National with the help of the Greens poured millions in to make them warm.
    
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    October 13, 2017 5:46pm
    - jcuk
      
      That happychappy is a typical senseless and unthinking argument to avoid doing something about the problem.
      Beneficiaries are human beings just like or better than you…. somebody who doesn’t have to deal with WINZ for the necesities of life.
      We probably will both get a better appreciation of the problem if we listen to National Radio tomorrow morning with ears open.
      Follows the 8am News.
      
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      October 14, 2017 5:42pm
Manolo

Muslim lone wolf or right winger?
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/guman-opens-fire-in-market-in-trelleborg-sweden/news-story/56fe59e655f5ff969cc703859807afa5

A gunman has opened fire at a busy market in Trelleborg, Sweden, with at least seven people reported to be seriously injured. The incident happened on Monday night local time.
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October 13, 2017 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  Haha
  
  I checked the Local to see if this was referenced and it wasn’t.
  
  What I did find was more pro Islam propaganda.
  
  ” Larsson said it was even possible that the inhabitants of the graves were Muslims, or at least heavily influenced by Islam.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.se/20171012/why-viking-burial-clothes-contained-inscriptions-to-allah-and-ali
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:04am
  - itstricky
    
    Haha
    
    Gun fire, people injured, and ‘Haha’?
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:17am
    - kowtow
      
      Fuck you.
      Haha is directed at the media not reporting another bad news story from socialist nirvana Sweden .
      
      But here’s a genuine haha directed at the deceased in this case. hahahaha
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/12/british-isis-member-sally-jones-white-widow-killed-airstrike-son-islamic-state-syria
      
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      October 13, 2017 11:26am
      - itstricky
        
        Haha is directed at the media not reporting another bad news story
        
        What, you mean not like this?
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11932645
        
        You really need to get your morals straight. Do you give any ounce of care about people getting killed, or are you just in it for the ‘point scoring’ against your ‘mortal enemies’ so you can self justify the way you see the world is good and true?
        
        And there’s no need to resort to profanities.
        
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        October 13, 2017 11:29am
      - Jack5
        
        Congratulations Comrade!
        
        I hadn’t noticed in the party bulletins that Comrade Itstricky had been appointed religious language guardian for Kiwiblog.
        
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        October 13, 2017 1:55pm
      - itstricky
        
        You think it’s OK for everyone to go around swearing at each other but you’re upset that some one decided to change an organisation name to a native tree?
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:15pm
    - starboard
      
      Get over yourself drippy, another dead muslim lover, I hope she felt it as her body blew apart. Why would you want to stand up for filth like this?
      
      “Jones posted messages in support of Isis as well as extremist comments such as: “You Christians all need beheading with a nice blunt knife and stuck on the railings at Raqqa … Come here I’ll do it for you.”
      
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      October 13, 2017 5:11pm
      - Brito
        
        Are you back in your council bedsit after your $9.95 roast….haaaaa!!!
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:33pm
      - starboard
        
        $12.95 bud..show me a $9.95 pork roast and I’ll be there.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:44pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘There would need to be a valid reason for ownership of more firearms. It is stipulated that all firearms are to be stored/kept in an approved gun safe. It is illegal for a civilian in Sweden to carry a firearm, unless for a specific, legal purpose;such as hunting or attending shooting ranges’.
  More gun laws, more gun laws!
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:13am
brett68

Peters is going to use “the board” as the excuse for NZ First going Labour/Greens.

There’s going to be so many pissed off NZ First rural and elderly voters who’ll feel betrayed, Peters is hoping he can divert that anger onto the nameless board and away from himself.
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October 13, 2017 10:40am
- Poppa
  
  Good try Peters. We know who is making or has already made the decision & it is not the Board
  
  I can’t be bothered with his posturing & quite frankly everyone I talk to says the same
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:19am
  - Paulus
    
    The Board of NZF are only there to whitewash Winston’s decisions and have been all the time – so nothing new except he can blame them and not himself.
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:53pm
- Maxx
  
  I have no idea which way Peters will go. There are arguments for both ways based upon what he has said to date. The only thing we do know is you can’t place any value on anything that comes out of his mouth.
  
  The only reason he is going to the board is to give the impression the final decision is not his alone and a deflection for questions as to why HE went this way. I actually pity the first reporter that asks that question.
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:04pm
- jcuk
  
  Which ever way NZF goes he is going to face serious flack. He is between a rock and a hard place.
  
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  October 13, 2017 3:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

USA and Israel withdraw from UNESCO

– citing anti-Israel bias of UN

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/withdraws-unesco-171012133838151.html
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October 13, 2017 11:07am
- flipper
  
  Maggy…
  that was previously fore-shadowed, was it not?
  Now I await the US cut in total UN funding. Long overdue. If panty waist`s want funding they should go earn it …and pay tax on their earnings.
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:09pm
Inandout

This Weinstain affair is spreading like wildfire.
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October 13, 2017 11:15am
- Manolo
  
  Indeed.
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4975366/Rose-McGowan-lashes-Jeff-Bezos-says-HW-raped-her.html
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:21am
  - Inandout
    
    I love it that the anti Trumps are eating each other. Hollywood, the city of wet dreams.
    
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    October 13, 2017 12:38pm
    - VicParking
      
      Its speading, seems its outing week in the USA.
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/12/great-unraveling-amazon-studio-chief-accused-sexual-misconduct/
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/12/emma-thompson-harassment-endemic-hollywood-weinstein-just-tip-iceberg/
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/12/sinister-cycle-continues-terry-crews-james-van-der-beck-not-comfortable-naming-abusers/
      
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      October 13, 2017 1:12pm
      - Inandout
        
        The old Hollywood moguls were even uglier than Weinstain, so you had to feel sorry for those on the casting couches.
        https://popculture11.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/copy-of-holmogul.jpg?w=440&h=189
        
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        October 13, 2017 1:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        And now the reputation of the late Muhammad Ali is in the gun:
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11932896
        
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        October 13, 2017 7:24pm
    - Jack5
      
      It’s in NZ.
      
      Sean Plunket off the Broadcasting Standards Authority after tweet about Harvey Weinstein.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11932866
      
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      October 13, 2017 5:02pm
- Happychappy
  
  How Dot Com faring has he got the people in the USA on his side for arranging a law firm to fight for rape charges to hit the courts for all these unfortunate woman.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:51am
Elaycee

I’ve just heard Rachel Smalley (‘Heifer’) is leaving radio’s ‘Early Edition’ in December…

A nice piece of news to end the week… 😀
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October 13, 2017 11:22am
- Digmen1
  
  I sort of liked her, but not her political views.
  
  And its a shame that she got muzzled re heifers.
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:29am
- Poppa
  
  Entering the Corporate World…….she best grow up fast
  
  My radio goes off as soon as she speaks, it is just breathless posturing
  
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  October 13, 2017 11:38am
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    same – click off
    
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    October 13, 2017 11:52am
- marcw
  
  As long as she is not taking over Leighton’s or (gasp!) Larry’s spot – good riddance.
  
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  October 13, 2017 12:35pm
  - Poppa
    
    Having her do Larry’s spot when he away is bad enough.
    
    I wish her well in her new found occupation, so long as she goes it makes me happy
    
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    October 13, 2017 1:17pm
Manolo

Never a minute too early:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4665086/british-jihadi-sally-jones-killed-us-drone-strike-on-isis-syria/

US spy chiefs told their British counterparts that jihadi Jones, who fled the UK to be an ISIS recruiter, died in June. The US Air Force Predator strike is said to have taken place close to the border between Syria and Iraq.

A Whitehall source today confirmed Jones’s death after she left her home in Chatham, Kent, with her 12-year-old son JoJo in 2013 to join ISIS in Syria.
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October 13, 2017 1:06pm
- RF
  
  Is there a grave that some kind soul can piss on.
  
  Murdering scum.
  
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  October 13, 2017 3:28pm
RRM

I see Martin Martyn “two votes” / Bummer Bradbury has gone large over at the Labour Party Dirty Politics department:

… in NZ, a report detailing that the National Party are little more than a front for Chinese Business interests and that China are actively seeking to influence our democracy is completely ignored by the rest of the NZ mainstream media.

Why?

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/10/11/can-we-all-acknowledge-the-speed-of-how-national-party-relationship-with-china-has-been-ignored-by-the-nz-media/
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October 13, 2017 1:27pm
Digmen1

What will you be doing on Monday?
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October 13, 2017 2:18pm
Chuck Bird

This is another sad case. I do not know the details so it is of course possible the guy was a paedophile. However, these sort of things happen far to often. The guy who burned himself at Parliament was another case of custody and access.

‘It hit me so hard’: Landlord’s tragic discovery

The tenant had moved in three years before. He was a quiet man who kept himself to himself. His marriage had broken down and he was looking for somewhere to rent as soon as possible. His ex was not handling the break up pleasantly; he was copping too much abuse to stay in the family home and needed out quickly.

He paid upfront, he paid on time, and there were no loud parties or no complaints. He told the real estate agent that he had a daughter who was 2 years old. His ex wasn’t allowing him access. He was stuck in the Family Court.
Of course, I didn’t know all of this until a few weeks ago.

I’d asked the real estate agent to chase him up. When she called back she sounded shaken. The tenant was in hospital. He had tried to take his own life. I won’t go into details, it’s all very raw and hard to think about let alone talk about to be honest.
Neighbours called police, an ambulance arrived and he is now in hospital with various physical injuries. None of those injuries will come close to the mental anguish he was suffering in silence.

We all do it. I was ticking along in my own little world, with my own to-do list, deadlines, juggling money and running out of patience.

I had no idea this man was in such inner turmoil. He was a tenant, not a human being I had invested energy into.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11932629
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October 13, 2017 2:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Very sad.
  Hope this poor man will get the support he needs.
  I have known of quite a few men who topped themselves after their wives left them.
  I will never forget a lovely kind gentle man who made me a beautiful meal and let me stay the night when I had just been turfed out of home at 16.
  He was staying in a boarding house near Mt St John and had obviously been turfed out of home himself.
  Fortunately his son was old enough to choose to go with his dad.
  
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  October 13, 2017 5:51pm
Jack5

The police are taking nearly quarter of a million dollars a year from speed traps on Christchurch’s Harewood Road, near Nunweek Park.

This is the mostly likely spot in the country for drivers to get pinged for speeding, the Christchurch Press says today. When the mobile cameras are up 11 in every 100 passing motorists is given a ticket.

This is the beginning of a 50km/h area from a road where the limit is 70km/h.

The fair and intelligent thing to do would be to improve the signage.

But the police are making too much money from this trap. They are tolling responsible, fine-paying citizens, while our justice system each years writes off tens of millions of dollars of fines incurred by the trash and the riff-raff.
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October 13, 2017 2:47pm
backster

Chris Lee’s taking Stock column this week has an excellent commentary on the consequences of Winston’s decision. I hope he reads it.https://www.chrislee.co.nz/taking-stock
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October 13, 2017 3:09pm
Brito

It has been interesting listening to the reflections on Passchendaele. It would seem that the Maori Battalion is the only fighting group that ever gets a mention. Did they actually fight at Passchendaele? I know they were a pioneer battalion but did the actual badge exist? My Grandfather has campaign medals from WW1 and he never mentioned them when he was alive. His main concern was not getting killed by the yanks when they arrived.

I find that our military history seems to be focused on the Maori contribution. Now in no way do my comments diminish their contribution but what happened to everybody else’s efforts? I recall that a battalion is around 750 men. Did one battalion contribute so much that it eclipsed every other effort?

WW2 is the same. Over 6000 men fought in Bomber Command and over 2900 were killed (nearly 50%). We hear very little about these guys but the Maori Battalion is the focus. What’s that all about?
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October 13, 2017 3:14pm
- nasska
  
  …..”What’s that all about?”…..
  
  The rewriting of our history. In newspeak, Maori = good, European = bad.
  
  Been going on for a while now.
  
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  October 13, 2017 3:34pm
- Digmen1
  
  You are right.
  I had a maori g/f and she used to swear that the only kiwi’s at Cassino were the 28th Maori battalion.
  I could not convince her that there were at east 27 other battalions!
  Of course the Maoris fought well as did all the other New Zealanders. But in the First World War I think they were mostly pioneers.
  
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  October 13, 2017 4:05pm
  - mikenmild
    
    There were six NZ infantry battalions at Cassino.
    
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    October 13, 2017 4:41pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      And the Polish 2nd Corps, a number of whom settled here afterward and become New Zealanders.
      
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      October 13, 2017 7:54pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s a media thing.
  
  In relation to WWI ,up to yesterday the media only ever really drummed on about Gallipoli .
  
  They’ve suddenly discovered the western front.
  
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  October 13, 2017 5:24pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …and they will doubtless run the hand-wringing “Douglas Haig-was-a-butcher/Oh, what a lovely war!/the Great War according to Blackadder” ~~analysis~~ myth that plucks defeat out of the jaws of victory…and made World War II almost inevitable.
    
    Just ask the descendants of the neutral nation of Belgium if it was a war worth fighting.
    
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    October 13, 2017 5:29pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Just wait till they realise that there was an Eastern Front as well.
    
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    October 13, 2017 7:51pm
    - Jack5
      
      I know you’re talking about World War 1, Lucia, but meanwhile tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of a German assault on the famous tractor factory in Stalingrad. Months of heavy fighting remained.
      
      It was known as the Stalin Tractor Plant of the Dzerzhinsky Tractor Factory.
      
      Lucia, you will know that Dzerzhinsky was a famous, or notorious, Pole.
      
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      October 13, 2017 8:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Pioneer Maori Battalion did not fight at Passchendeale.
  They were constructing roads and railways behind the Front line.
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/maori-pioneers-western-front
  
  Not all Maori were in the Pioneer Btn though.
  
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  October 13, 2017 6:55pm
Fletch

I see that the NZ Herald has changed their logo to a rainbow color today to celebrate their parent company being given the “rainbow tick” – a pat on the head to show how tolerant and diverse they are.

I thought they were supposed to report the news not advocate for minority groups.
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October 13, 2017 3:32pm
- sooty
  
  Been journalist most of them will be gay or some such gender.
  
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  October 13, 2017 3:53pm
  - sam green
    
    Pssst sooty – gay is not a gender.
    
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    October 13, 2017 3:58pm
    - Inandout
      
      Oh really…. bum.
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:02pm
      - sam green
        
        no thanks…
        
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        October 13, 2017 4:06pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Bent
      
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      October 13, 2017 4:34pm
      - starboard
        
        green sam specialises in gay
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:05pm
      - sam green
        
        From the man who loves da ladyboys …..
        
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        October 13, 2017 5:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        But HE isn’t a ladyboy.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:52pm
      - sam green
        
        Perhaps HE (odd use there Jack5) is transamorous – trans am for short.
        
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        October 13, 2017 6:58pm
- Digmen1
  
  Don’t be silly
  Like most news media these days, they want to make the news
  
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  October 13, 2017 4:01pm
Digmen1

What if NZF decide on Monday who they will go with.
What about any cabinet positions?
Surely that will take a few more days to negotiate?
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October 13, 2017 4:09pm
Brito

This clip shows that immigration and young offenders was a key concern of the Conservative Government back in 1982. The spokesman threw up some excellent points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXxyDZRUTDQ
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October 13, 2017 5:24pm
David Garrett

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Paschendaele in which over 800 New Zealanders died, and three times that number were wounded…

Today, the death of ONE soldier in a training exercise is treated as a major tragedy….In WW II, fully 1/4 of aircrew died in training accidents, either here or in Canada, before they even reached the war…if their deaths were reported at all, it would have been a column inch on page 3 of the paper…

I do not wish to sound either heartless or uncaring; the soldier who died today leaves a family of four to mourn him, and that is a tragedy for them…but a few thousand people will have died today, young old and in between…

Have we not somehow lost our perspective a bit? Soldiers train to kill people…that is their chosen profession…at the elite level – which this chap evidently was – training accidents are not unknown…Is it really any more tragic than the last guy who died on some forestry block while felling a tree?

Both are nothing more or less that workplace accidents, surely?
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October 13, 2017 5:45pm
- mikenmild
  
  I think it is the rarity of the incident that makes news. And many other workplace deaths make the news as well.
  
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  October 13, 2017 5:51pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Milky: Sure they do ..but “Man killed in tree felling accident” is never the prime placement on Stuff…(I have no idea what the papers do – I never read them unless one happens to by lying on a table in a cafe)
    
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    October 13, 2017 6:17pm
    - RF
      
      DG. If it bleeds, it leads. Typical media.
      
      You get similar head lines if it is a cop or solicitor.
      
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      October 13, 2017 7:23pm
- nasska
  
  Get with the play DG!
  
  The soldier was serving in the army & Labour’s PR people (AKA the MSM) don’t like the armed forces. They’ll do anything to turn the public off defence & nasty guns.
  
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  October 13, 2017 6:03pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Agree. I did Military training. Its dangerous and people die during training. The survivors learn not to make the same mistakes. However, commiserations to that man’s family, unexpected death is never easy to deal with.
  
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  October 13, 2017 7:20pm
  - David Garrett
    
    rightover: Yes, I quite agree, it’s bloody sad…but so is it for the family of a 50 year old forestry worker for whom the odds ran out last year…and he didn’t carry a gun!!
    
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    October 13, 2017 9:20pm
Kimbo

And the Chicago Cubs (just!) win the fifth and deciding game of their series with the Washington Nationals 9-8…and advance to the seven-game play-off for the National League pennant against the red-hot LA Dodgers.
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October 13, 2017 6:00pm
Jack5

The two Leftist trolls, Sam Green and (Comrade) Itstricky, have been running strongly in Kiwiblog today.

What are they trying to divert us from?
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October 13, 2017 6:17pm
- sam green
  
  It doesn’t take much Jack5 – you’re easily startled.
  
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  October 13, 2017 6:23pm
- Gabby
  
  They don’t want you to notice Comrade Jian jacksie. He was having a shufti at your accounts to keep Peking up to date.
  
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  October 13, 2017 8:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Gabby: you reckon China’s Military Intelligence service is tracking posts on Kiwiblog?
  
  Waste of time shooting me. My kidneys are rooted. They won’t get much for them.
  
  Meanwhile, the ABC reports the Chinese rounded up in Fiji by police from China and deported back to China were sex workers – prostitutes.
  
  Perhaps Christchurch’s Mayor, Disappointment Dalzell, could use the Chinese sister city connections to borrow Chinese cops to clean up the nightly orgy in residential Manchester Street.
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-06/chinese-nationals-deported-from-fiji-sex-workers-not-fraudsters/9019666
  
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  October 13, 2017 8:23pm
  - Gabby
    
    Due to the one child policy there’s a Peking sex worker shortage. They’re planning a buying expedition to leafy suburban Christchurch if things don’t improve.
    
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    October 14, 2017 10:59am
Happychappy

What the hell is going on in this country with parents now wanting their children to be taught social skills, family values and manners in schools now. No wonder we have teenagers doing armed robberies on our dairies and other businesses when our parents don’t know how to teach their children the basic skills of respect for others and how to behave. I wonder if this will be another thing that the teachers union will blame on the National Government.
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October 13, 2017 7:08pm
- GoVege
  
  Happychappy: Now there is no obligation on people to support their own children, we now have a situation where hundreds of “parents” have no interest in their offspring except as money-earners.
  Isn’t it better the schools teach kids basic skills than they never learn?
  
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  October 13, 2017 9:50pm
EAD_TWO

I wonder if the British Soldiers who fought and died in WWII knew what was to become of their ancient homeland after “winning” the war, would they have bothered?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=nse0Ch5_cKs
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October 13, 2017 7:11pm
- nasska
  
  ….”what was to become of their homelands”…..
  
  They bought a few good years for their countrymen EAD. The 50s through to the 70s were fairly prosperous & with the exception of Northern Ireland, fairly peaceful.
  
  Unfortunately their unions ended up completely out of control & the UK started allowing mass immigration from their former colonies to get essential work done.
  
  After that came unfettered Muslim access & now their country is totally stuffed.
  
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  October 13, 2017 7:22pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It didn’t buy them much respite at all Nasska,
    
    after the Brits spent 3 years fixing their war ravaged country living on rationing, in June 1948 into Tilbury Docks sailed SS Windrush which represented more than just a turning point in the history of those ancient isles – in many respects it signalled the beginning of mass, organised non-White immigration into northwest Europe.
    
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/
    
    The Windrush was Jewish-owned and operated. In May 1948 the ship’s Jewish operators were given permission by the British Ministry of Transport to increase their profits by filling her to capacity with commercial customers. The Minister of Transport in that crucial period was Harry Louis Nathan, another Jew.
    
    This momentous decision appears to have been taken very arbitrarily (and certainly un-democratically) since it elicited great shock and confusion among British politicians when it later came to light.
    
    At the time, many foreign and domestic ex-military vessels were being re-purposed for commercial purposes and handed over to private (mostly Jewish-owned) companies. Having a Jew running the Ministry for War and another Jew running the Ministry for Transport was good news for Jewish traders who had monopolized shipping companies and routes and now stood to profiteer from the burgeoning commercial passenger industry that would bring wave after wave of Blacks, Indians and Pakistanis to Britain over the next two decades.
    
    Furthermore Frank Soskice would then introduce Britain’s first race relations act, aiming to outlaw racial discrimation. No doubt it is just a coincidence that Soskice was another Jew as well.
    
    Even the method by which Blacks were enticed to set sail for Britain must be remarked upon. Around three weeks before the Empire Windrush arrived in Jamaica, Blacks were bombarded with ads for cheap travel to Britain and articles extolling the new life they could have in London.
    
    The response was almost instantaneous: queues formed outside the booking agency and every place was sold. As one Black immigrant stated Well, I left Jamaica because I saw the advertisements in The Gleaner. … I left to better my position. That was the chief reason.
    
    The Gleaner, is part of the Gleaner Company which to this day enjoys an effective monopoly of the Jamaican press. The company was founded in 1834 by the Jewish brothers Jacob and Joshua De Cordova.
    
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    October 13, 2017 7:28pm
    - nasska
      
      From your link:
      
      …..”These government contracts and the Jewish quest for profit played a huge role in the burgeoning of the commercial passenger industry that would bring wave after wave of Blacks, Indians and Pakistanis to Britain over the next two decades”…..
      
      Which in MHO is the crux of the matter. The Jews are primarily business people out to make a few bob.
      
      Don’t ignore the fact that war had killed off or incapacitated many working age Brits & the UK was desperately short of manpower to rebuild their country. Labour of any hue or colour was welcome & few saw the social implications.
      
      The unionised British “worker” was scum of the lowest order. Employers would have welcomed transsexual, piebald, amputee dwarves if they held promise of a decent day’s work.
      
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      October 13, 2017 7:40pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Don’t ignore the fact that war had killed off or incapacitated many working age Brits & the UK was desperately short of manpower to rebuild their country.
        
        But the country in the most part had been rebuilt after 3 years. Also with millions of men now de-mobilised, there was hardly a “Labour shortage”.
        
        The unionised British “worker” was scum of the lowest order
        
        These are the same working class Brits who were behind the industrial revolution and died in their millions in 2 World Wars fighting for what they believe was right. The “militant unionisation” was funded by foreign Communist elements as the initial wedge of dividing and atomising White nations into various factions to advance the Worldwide overthrow of the old order.
        
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        October 13, 2017 8:58pm
rightoverlabour

WO really bugs the living shits out of me. Buried amongst the crap are some real gems. So even though I don’t want to go back there, I know there may be something of value. Like this, today.
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/catholic-interview-milo-yiannopoulos-refused-print/#more-338631
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October 13, 2017 7:15pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Buried amongst the crap are some real gems.”….
  
  Like this:
  
  ….”What was the worst thing about your Catholic upbringing?
  
  Father Michael didn’t give as good head as he got.”….
  
  You’ve got to admire a man who tells it as it is. 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2017 7:29pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Milo is a big time provocateur…
    
    Father Michael didn’t give as good head as he got.”….
    
    How would Milo know? Unless he’s able to do what Bannon was accused of by The Mooch.
    
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    October 13, 2017 8:11pm
  - MrTips
    
    YAWN. If you knew anything about Catholicism you might be worth listening to. Instead, on this topic, your very, very boring
    
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    October 13, 2017 8:42pm
    - nasska
      
      How many Ave Marias do we have to say before we’re allowed to comment about boy-bothering, paedo Catholic priests MrTips? 🙂
      
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      October 13, 2017 8:52pm
      - MrTips
        
        Not sure. Go and ask Bishop John Dew, the Metropolitan in Wellington. Its type’s like him that helped arrange the current mess.
        
        But don’t pray in front of him – you’ll probably start vomiting profusely and the spinning head trick will really get him going.
        
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        October 13, 2017 9:36pm
- Ross12
  
  Cam’s partner SB is responsible for most of the really good posts on WO. There are those like the one you noted, which she has got from the internet and then there ones like the series she wrote herself on Charter Schools ( last year , I think).
  
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  October 13, 2017 7:56pm
RF

The comment of the day relates to NZ First having the final say.

NZ First is the flea on the tail wagging the dog.
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October 13, 2017 8:01pm
Manolo

It must be the Obama effect:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-13/consumer-sentiment-in-u-s-unexpectedly-surges-to-13-year-high
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