General Debate 7 September 2017

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The right used to be principled, ethical and intellectually pure.

When did it become so dirty, dishonest and corrupt? And why?
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September 7, 2017 9:26am
- Lance
  
  Any for instances to explain that gobshite?
  
  Beware the media making shit up is not fact
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:57am
  - Gabby
    
    Too right lants, it was never principled, ethical and intellectually pure.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  As opposed to the sweet Left?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbLC7F2ELww
  
  Notice how the vocabulary deficient she-male eyeballs the black guy. It ends well though when the gender-confused is dropped. Actually, the antifaphiles appear a collection of society’s serious misfits.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Because the anarchic Left don’t understand anything else.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:16am
- BananaLlama
  
  “Ain’t no fun when the rabbit got the gun”
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:25am
- Muttonbird
  
  When? 27 November 2006. Why? John Key became leader of the National party.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:18am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Have you visited The Standard any time lately mjw? I ask that in all seriousness, because if you think it’s “dirty, dishonest and corrupt” here, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
  
  Or maybe you have, and were responding to this call to action:
  
  tc 1.3
  7 September 2017 at 6:40 am
  Controlling the message via their control over RNZ, wouldn’t hurt labour to attack IMO Joyce and Blinglish have burnt a lot of capital over this.
  
  Frame it as general dishonesty with other examples to depower the numbers meme into more general lying behaviour to get people realising this is what they are, lying deceptive wreckers.
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07092017/
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:25pm
  - Gabby
    
    That looks like a sneaky little weaselton contribution.
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:35pm
krazykiwi

This morning I want to thank Don Brash for his courage, and honesty back in 2004 when he delivered the Orewa speech. He pragmatically called for an end to race-based privilege, and expressed a hope for a unified New Zealand.

Contrast this with Marama Fox’s display on Red Radio yesterday. On the mention of this speech she practically spat into the studio microphone, the Brash was a “racist” and his speech was designed to appeal to the “bigoted, pale, male, stale” of our society, and she went on to say how hard she was working for “our people”.

Anyone who denigrates a group of our society as ‘pale, male and stale” and then sets out to represent just one group of society based on their race is themselves, undeniably, a racist… and racists have no place leading in a modern society
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September 7, 2017 9:26am
- G152
  
  When it comes to sorting out who and which parties go into government maybe she might look back at her racist rants on Moreii TV programs as to why she’s not invited
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:34am
- Swifty
  
  I heard that – and was deeply troubled to hear it come from a member of our parliament.
  
  It did come across as both bigoted and racist, and quite wrong given the hundreds of thousands of women who voted for Brash.
  
  It’s the double-standard that really gets me though – if another MP came on NatRad or similar and waxed on about ‘brown, female and lazy’ women in NZ, what would be her reaction. In full support of the speaker or something else?
  
  I thought it was quite disgraceful behaviour from her actually – and I hope that it get’s picked up by a wider audience.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I missed that and it appears it is an article that will play to my xenophobia. Can you put up a link please or tell me the time and I can find it on their site – thanks
    
    Brown, female and lazy almost begs for entitled to be added to the list
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:02am
    - Swifty
      
      Entitled is a goody.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:13am
    - Swifty
      
      She certainly seems entitled to the cakes!
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201857564/shaw-fox-and-seymour-debate-policies-over-cake
      
      The racist bigoted bit is in the first minute.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:18am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Thank you and ‘the racist bigoted bit is in the first minute’ comes as absolutely no surprise and undoubtedly sets the tone.
        
        Why do I despise these people? Because I can.
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:23am
      - Jack5
        
        Will Dame Devoid and her team take fatty Fox to task for her racist remarks?
        
        What about if we deluge her with complaints?
        
        https://www.hrc.co.nz/enquiries-and-complaints/how-make-complaint/
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:30am
- Swifty
  
  And I’d add that, from memory, it is the first time I’ve ever heard her interviewed – I hadn’t realised how rabid she is.
  
  Nothing cool, calm and reasonable – just spittle and invective. I came away feeling a little unclean.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:41am
- RF
  
  She is your classic racist who will challenge any opposing views deeming them as being bigoted.
  
  I understand she is looking to be dog tucker later this month. No loss.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:43am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  This Fox is ready to go with Labour despite what National has done to support Maori for the last 9 years.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:01am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Fox won’t be in the next Parliament, if Howie Tamati wins Te Tai Hauauru as it seems he will. The MP’s party vote would have to be far higher for them to get an extra list MP.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:03am
    - ztev
      
      One off polls are never good indicators on Maori seats.
      Its so hard to find random maori from telephone numbers who are on that specific roll . Most are on general roll of course.
      A fading party who has clung to its baubles for 9 years are looking to be swept away.
      They are even standing in general seats, which wipes away any pretence at keeping the separate seats
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:59pm
      - Happychappy
        
        And if they are not Labour will run begging if they are enough without having to deal with Winston First
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:23pm
    - sooty
      
      I would hope that he turns up more often than he did at the NP council. He would give Hone a run for been on walkabout!
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Ah, the Fox family of troughers always played on their Moddiness and enjoyed the funds that pour down on them.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:13am
- KevOB
  
  Marama Fox is a disgrace to Maori. She is a hoon by comparison to Tariana Turia.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:21am
  - GoVege
    
    Both Fox and Turia are brainless idiots who perpetuate Maori poverty by urging “their” women and girls to have ridiculous numbers of children nobody could care for adequately.
    Hopefully Fox will lose her seat and her NINE kids might get a chance to see their mum next year.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:03am
    - mikenmild
      
      Are you saying that it is a bad thing to have nine kids? Are six okay? Five?
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:11am
      - GoVege
        
        Of course it’s not OK to have 9 kids, Milky!
        Haven’t you heard about overpopulation?
        Plus how on earth do you care for that number properly, especially if you have another job?
        Most full-time mums struggle to care for 2 or 3.
        The unpalatable truth is, families with large (let alone huge) numbers of children are NOT looking after them adequately.
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:21am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        GoVege, I say the English’s have done a good job of raising their 6 children.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:07pm
      - VicParking
        
        Milk I bet you wish you had one brain
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’m sure that Mr and Mrs English have done a great job of raising their children, Chuck.
      With parents devoted to their kids’ well-being, it can be done.
      Also Samoans generally place great value on education.
      The first Samoan I met told me that when his dad died, his extended family had a meeting to arrange how to pay for him and his siblings’ educations.
      But a lot of support is needed to do the job well.
      And these days we all know that many countries are bursting at the seams population-wise.
      Why else do so many people want to come here to live?
      
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      September 7, 2017 1:04pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So is it just Maori (Marama Fox in particular), who you want to criticise for having large families?
        Bill English is, I am sure, a fine father to his six, but you seem sure that Marama Fox is a bad mother to her nine.
        
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        September 7, 2017 2:07pm
      - GoVege
        
        For all I know, Marama is a good mum, but she started her job in the MP when her youngest was about 3, and she must have had to leave her young kids to go to Parliament.
        Kids don’t like that, MM, and I don’t think it’s good for them.
        Some people with lots of support manage to care for a large brood, but usually they force the older kids to babysit the younger ones.
        Adults make enough mistakes. ..kids make more.
        I once had a bright 13 year old girl stay with me who was given the task of giving her 5 year old brother antibiotics.
        I soon found out she was giving him 1/3 the correct dose.
        Why do you think so many Polynesian and Maori kids need heart operations?
        It’s not just they are more susceptible to rheumatic fever….it’s because they make the kids look after the kids.
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:03pm
  - Piniwi
    
    There is a feeling of deja vue but she has often displayed what a nasty piece of work she is. Lets hope she is a was after September 23rd though she is at the top of their list.
    
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    September 7, 2017 7:05pm
- oldpark
  
  Not forgetting the huge Maori Economy,of which has now grown to Fifty Billion. Not bad for 14% of the population. Wonder what part of her DNA comes from a European Caucasian.Sounds like that type of lifegiver dosn’t count.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:01am
  - ztev
    
    $50 bill ? There is no such thing as a ‘maori economy’ anyway
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:01pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Maori talk about it so it must be true Z.
      
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      September 7, 2017 1:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

When is someone going to put the blowtorch on Wonder Woman about Labour’s industrial relations policy?
Abolition of the 90 day trial, collective bargaining across industries, and a return to compulsory unionism. And they want to start imposing it on us as a priority as soon as they are in power.
This will mean a return to the cloth-cap thuggery of the 1950s, and is potentially an even more important issue than the mystery about what extra taxes we will have to pay.
We cannot allow these clowns near the treasury benches.

TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
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September 7, 2017 9:26am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I remember the “good old days” when the cooks and stewards on the Cook Strait ferries would go on strike just as school holidays were starting, leaving hundreds of holidaying families stranded on either side. On some occasions, these strikes were over issues as trivial as chocolate biscuits being replaced by plain biscuits on the smoko breaks.
  
  Labour’s Fair Pay Agreements are another name for national awards, and will signal a return to the kind of industrial relations we buried with Muldoon. That alone is a strong reason to Party Vote National.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    Labour’s FPAs are job killers, they’ll lead to company closures and will destroy any attempts to improve NZ’s productivity.
    
    We will wave our international competitiveness goodbye.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:00am
    - mikenmild
      
      What attempts to improve productivity have you witnessed recently?
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:25am
      - Swifty
        
        Thank you very much for asking, I’m personally deeply involved in one right now in the local government sector.
        
        I live and breathe it and do my bit every day.
        
        How about you Mike?
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:33am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Burn!
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:39am
      - redeye
        
        Your 31249 comments on a blog you mostly disagree with are an indication of your ability to be productive.
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        Care to elaborate on how this will turn around our flat productivity trend of the past 40 years?
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:12am
      - Swifty
        
        Mike – yes, the initiative I am acountable for will result in the said local government function delivering more outputs for less inputs in future – and will directly result in improved outcomes for the citizenry of my region, at less cost.
        
        As I said, just doing my little bit.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:23pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        mm: “Care to elaborate on how this will turn around our flat productivity trend of the past 40 years?”
        
        Flat productivity mm. Have you been outside lately??
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    I’m too young to remember this but it’s worth posting.
    
    ” There was no act too low for the unionists. For instance, in 1941, hundreds of soldiers on board a ship docked in Freemantle entrusted personal letters to wharfies who offered to post them in return for beer money. The letters never arrived.”
    
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/unions-exposed-as-war-saboteurs/news-story/b0536e441fefb1d8327e251a238c9103
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:45am
  - sooty
    
    Cookie made mince on toast for smoko. Drill crew were not happy! Picked the tray up and threw over the side complete with plate. Now go and make some real food he said.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:55pm
- Manolo
  
  Shouldn’t National Party “campaign strategists” be doing that?
  
  Jeepers, Labour lite seems to have lost its compass by running an awfully wimpish campaign, almost surrendering to the socialists without a fight.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:04am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:22am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:50am
- KevOB
  
  Labour: Government by the Union for the Union. Back to the 50’s.
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:24am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:50am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Unfortunately the “younger voter” those 30 – 40 year olds probably do not remember and have absolutely no understanding of Union compulsion.
  Most NZer’s just want to get on with their lives with as little interference as possible. well once the Unions get involved forget that idea. Forget the “I need a winter holiday in Fiji” .
  Holidays will become when due, no little breaks just because you feel like one. No sympathetic boss who is understanding regarding your sick child. No “glide time” Work the hours in your contract. 8.30 to 5 with 1/2 hour for lunch. Smoko will be a thing of the past because labour doesn’t want people smoking.
  Try and avoid the traffic in Auckland then. There will be No 7 am starts and 3.30 finish to pick the kids up from school.
  Life will become controlled by more and more Rules just to be fair to ALL workers. ALL workers will be treated the same.
  I have seen it and I was a person who voted against the Legal Workers Union back in the day. it was a Union that did absolutely nothing apart from take a compulsory fee from our wages each week. The Clerical Workers Union was huge and again nothing for their members just take take take. Most people are able to discuss the terms of their employment direct with their employer, win win.
  So what has changed Labour, is it just something that is writ in stone in labour so they have to do this.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Absolutely right fluffy, the 30-40 year old voters you mention can only remember back to the Klark era, and even that was almost tolerable compared to the Nash/Kirk/Muldoon union-controlled workplaces that Queen Jacinderella is going to take us back to.
    Hell, even the tooth fairy is too young to remember those times. Her idea of ‘equality for all’ must be from the Marxist textbooks she studied when she led the world youth communists outfit.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I well remember Jim Knox of The Fedration of Labour, on the news most nights demanding the latest unionist crap and explaining why either the boiler makers were on strike, or the meat workers, the ferry workers or some other long list of entitled union entity was downing tools or working to rule. It was a dark and worrying time, and bloody frustrating for the country and any one who wanted to get on with business.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:09am
      - Gabby
        
        Then Labour fixed it.
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:49am
      - G152
        
        Don’t forget the Kelly gang
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:04pm
      - ztev
        
        How old are you ? Over 70?
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:03pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I was a child ztev but was very astute even at that age. Not hard to see the unions were holding the country to ransom. ?
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:13pm
      - GoVege
        
        No ageism allowed on KB, Ztev!
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:14pm
- Gabby
  
  Don’t Panic! Don’t Panic!
  
  TULIXPU !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:31am
- oldpark
  
  Also the middle age m/s Ardern’s nancy boy partner , called Gayford,has come out on twitter ,putting the boot into richard Prebble for telling the truth about the disaster it would be for NZ, if Lie-bour/Green mafias win the election.He calls the non Lie-bour/Green voters, Dinosaurs.
  Perhaps we could call him the new fancy name for ****** is owner operated.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:21am
  - sam green
    
    Plain nasty.
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:30pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Yes, a pretty terrible IR policy. Would really wreck all the progress of the last 30 years.
  If Labour does get in Winston would have to to stop this kind of madness. But then the problem is that it makes Labour seem more reasonable. So while that might good for NZ as a whole, it makes the job of a National opposition harder.
  So yes if National wants to hold on they are going to have to get sharper. Richard Prebble has some good advice in the Herald on what has to be done.
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:46pm
big bruv

Is there anybody more annoying than that smug, politically correct and arrogant boy Jack Tame?
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September 7, 2017 9:29am
- G152
  
  Jacinda ?
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:31am
  - RF
    
    Jacinda… no no no. I still have nightmares and wake up screaming when I dream about her delically dipping sausages into batter prior to dunking them into hot fat.
    
    If she makes PM she can go on the world stage to give detailed instructions on how to perform this difficult task.
    
    She has a special face for each step.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Robertson would run him close.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:32am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Behind him?
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:51am
    - RalphT
      
      I say Rachael that is in incredibly bad taste and bordering on homophobic; keep it up.
      
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      September 7, 2017 9:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Soooooo not in the pantomime sense then?
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:09am
      - ztev
        
        Nationals gays are closeted..mostly.. I could name a few current and past names…mostly around Wellington
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:05pm
  - Gabby
    
    He doesn’t like it up him gruts, he DOES NOT LIKE it up him.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:48am
- Tarquin North
  
  Hilary Barry, she’s got a good half century more experience but even then it’s a close call.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:32am
- MickMac
  
  yep.next to his little lefty JSW friend.
  I watch wonder boy on tv3 with my breakfast now.
  At least mark has some good counters to their lefty hearts.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:20am
- Gabby
  
  Now hang on big blub, hang on, Jawsie’s pretty fucking annoying.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  John Campbell comes close.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:47am
- MCos
  
  A lot of the people on this forum can be extremely annoying with their habitual name calling in lieu of constructive discussion.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:59am
  - Gabby
    
    Those arseholes.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:46am
- Poppa
  
  He sure is annoying, trying to be a left wing mini Mike Hosking
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:57am
  - lifesgood
    
    Buck toothed and still in short pants, incredibly annoying. Bet he was one of thopse kids that nobody liked at school. I suppose his mother loves him, though.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:12pm
Maxx

So I hear that JA will say to the tax working group to not bring her anything that has a tax on the family home and the land under it.

Since all tax working groups so far have recommended a comprehensive CGT including the family home, and that it should be met with a corresponding decrease it other taxes, we can be assured there will be no CGT or land tax.

Or, more realistically, she will ignore the working group and say that she has been very transparent from the beginning that she wants to introduce a CGT excluding the family home and that this isn’t a surprise as everyone knows her values. Allow her to be clarify here…
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September 7, 2017 9:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She is so far out of her depth it will all change again by lunchtime.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:33am
  - Surely Knott
    
    It already has changed by lunchtime. RNZ released an article saying the family home woulnd’t be taxed but they would consider the land by the family home. Then she released a clarification in the afternoon saying the family home land would not be taxed and they changed the article. RNZ didn’t apologise that they got it wrong, and they didn’t put any scrutiny on Labour who appeared to do a quick flip flop when the facebook anger started to flow out in response to family land tax.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:43am
    - Gabby
      
      You mean it said they hadn’t ruled it out (and then they did). What did they get wrong surly knobb?
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:34am
      - Surely Knott
        
        RNZ article Title 17 hours ago still available on google. “Labour will not rule out tax on family sections.” The public freaked out. The article was absolutely clear that tax on family home land was on the table – that was the main point of the article. . Title of article is now “Labour clarifies land tax position. ” Now land on family home is off the table. Flip. Flop. On the fly.
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:52am
      - Gabby
        
        So it didn’t say they would consider it? Surly knobt.
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:45am
      - stephen2d
        
        I’ve rarely seen a bigger cunt than you Gabby. Not a single comment where you don’t mock the name of the OP in your replies. I don’t get it, unless you are a complete retard. Try arguing a bit nicer, you might get somewhere.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        Bullsh*t Stephen.
        Gabby is OKAY!
        (I should know, I’m secretary of the Gabby Fan Club.)
        Your post though, was decidedly unpleasant, verging on obscene..
        Clean up your act!
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:09pm
      - stephen2d
        
        @GoVege: I’ve never used language like that, but this time mirroring the attitude Gabby brings to this blog. If you can’t see it, then you may have rose-tinted glasses.
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:28pm
    - simpleton1
      
      “tax on the family home and the land under it.”
      “would consider the land by the family home.”
      
      So will there be a a front and back lawn land tax ?
      So family home land will not be taxed,.
      
      A lot of land can be considered “home land”
      Will extensive maori family home land not be exempt.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:38am
      - ztev
        
        You are barking up the wrong tree.
        
        All the while you are missing the biggie… Trust owned properties arent considered ‘family homes’ as the family is merely a renter.
        
        You lot wont sleep at night once you… wake up to that.
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:08pm
- KevOB
  
  Economists: all theory and a 100 different schools. No science, no knowledge, data munchers in search of eats.
  Take your pick for the answer you require.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:27am
BeaB

So now we have Chief Twitterer poking her nose in.
Is she intending to play a full part in NZ life or just snipe from the sidelines?
How close is she to her former staff member, Jacinda?
What role is she playing in the election?
Is she our next Governor General if Jacinda becomes PM?
I think Helen Clark needs to clarify her role.
I don’t want her pulling strings.
Where is the much vaunted transparency?
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September 7, 2017 9:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It didn’t take long after Helen Clark engineered Ms Ardern’s elevation to Leader of the Opposition for the latter to start to talk about New Zealand becoming a republic.
  
  President Clark? No thank you.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Well, if it were a choice between President Clark and King Big Ears, I’m pretty sure which way the vote would go.
    But that’s just a pretty desperate scare tactic, based on the idea that New Zealander have a poor opinion of Helen Clark.
    In the real world, it seems unlikely that Labour would press for a republic, when popular opinion doesn’t even want to change the flag, and seems unlikelier still that Helen Clark would want to be president.
    But it’s an election campaign, so lack of evidence won’t stop you making up things.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:45am
    - dime
      
      charles may have big ears, but i cant open my beer on his fucking side teeth like i can with helen!
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:28am
      - Gabby
        
        dim’s gettin into the piss before smoko
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:36am
      - mikenmild
        
        A useful attribute for a head of state, I’m sure.
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:41am
      - RF
        
        Dime…. you are a breath of fresh air.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:09pm
  - SteveRemmington
    
    I’m waiting for Helen’s UN autobiography to come out.
    
    Can i suggest she uses ‘What Happened?’ as a title.
    
    Seems to be the goto for those with hurty feelings.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:52am
    - Inandout
      
      What happened to Peter?
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:18am
      - MickMac
        
        who?
        
        oh her beard.
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:21am
    - Gabby
      
      Does she seem crushed and disappointed to you rimmers.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:37am
    - ex-golfer
      
      Yes – in her entire time at the UN what were the actual results?
      Did world poverty end?
      Were world conflicts resolved?
      Was she liked so much that she was vaulted into the UN Sec Generals role?
      
      Can we all understand now why J Key was so keen to promote her being kept at arms length from NZ?
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:35am
      - ztev
        
        Poverty ended ? Thats Bills new mission…after hes re-elected
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:10pm
  - RF
    
    Frau Clark is unemployed and has idle time on her hands.
    
    I know she reads through all the social media and will be spitting venom when she reads KB.
    
    She has a great influence over our precious and before time it will be difficult to note the difference between the two of them.
    
    Vote for precious and you will have Clark stuffing up our country again.
    
    Be very afraid….
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:52am
    - ztev
      
      The job in London will be vacant at the end of the month.
      
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      September 7, 2017 1:18pm
- tf78
  
  You know the saying “the Devil makes work for idle hands”.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:43am
- waikatogirl
  
  Not just the odd tweet either, apparently Hulun has 3rd highest number of tweets. Hulun says she learnt her social media techniques while working for the UN.
  
  Stop involving yourself in the election Hulun, go find something else to keep you and your broomstick busy.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:44am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “she learnt her social media techniques while working for the UN”
    
    Another Milky. Twittering in the boss’s time.
    No wonder she didn’t get the top job.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:50am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      That will stop when the Union gets involved, work to Rules and that means actually work. No tweeting, facebook, internet checking trademe shopping. The Boss will stick to Union rules but he will also expect the worker to work they will check the internet use, clock in to work, clock out. The good old days. Uniforms to wear, gosh I am describing something like North Korea.
      It will not be a one way street.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:46am
  - tf78
    
    Imagine having the reputation of being the third biggest TWIT in the world.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I can see Ms. Clark being the Governor General or the NZ ambassador to the UN, in return for consulting services rendered…
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:10am
- alex Masterley
  
  As far as I am concerned Ms Clark can just eff off and when she has effed off she can eff off some more. The she can just eff off from where-ever she has effed off to.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:14am
  - ztev
    
    Eff You
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:19pm
    - sooty
      
      She would be ideal for ambassador to Venezuela. We could send her food parcels every month.
      
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      September 7, 2017 4:20pm
- KevOB
  
  Has Obama put her up to it?
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:28am
Keeping Stock

Clarke Gayford is starting to learn a bit about life in the public eye:

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As a partner its bloody hard to face some of this rubbish.Scaremongering old dinos like R Prebble need to crawl into SJ’s imaginary 11b hole
7:35 AM – 7 Sep 2017 from Auckland, New Zealand

He’s right on one point; life for the partners and families of politicians IS tough, because they are not the ones who are seeking the limelight. Maybe he should have a coffee with Max Key, and get his perspective.

On the other hand though, if he is going to personally attack (“scaremongering old dinos”) every media commentator who writes something negative about his partner and her politics, he’s going to have to develop a thicker skin; maybe a skin as thick as a “dino” 😉
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September 7, 2017 9:34am
- cmm
  
  He should be used to it. He’s had a lot of celebrity arm candy.
  
  It makes one wonder if he’ll go the distance with Jacinda or is she going to be needing a big box of tissues, choccies and red wine sometime soon?
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:39am
- Prince
  
  Wait until some fool erects a statue of your partner having a crap in central Christchurch, or rubs rat poison……oh wait, that’s our guys, eh.
  As you were.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:42am
  - KevinH
    
    Or when someone chucks a dildo at you. Also having Penny and Sue protesting outside your HOME 24/7.
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:55pm
- SteveRemmington
  
  Another Triggered SJW. They seem a well suited couple.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:55am
- Swifty
  
  What is it with the left and name-calling?
  
  Really, is that all they’ve got?
  
  BTW – if Prebble was Maori he would be revered as an elder statesman, a kaumatua – a ‘Totara’ even – and Gayford would never think of referring to him in this way.
  
  But being white – yep, old dinosaur.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:56am
  - Gabby
    
    You a bit of a white knight snoflake sweaty.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:53am
  - itstricky
    
    What is it with the left and name-calling?
    
    Really, is that all they’ve got?
    
    LLLLLL OOOOOOOOOO LLLLLLLL
    
    Comment of the day (and not for the reason you think).
    
    Swifty, you’re on roster with Keeping Stock.
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:36pm
    - Swifty
      
      Has KS been talking? I asked him not to tell!
      
      Heh.
      
      Just doing my bit to ‘foment happy mischief.’
      
      🙂
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:04pm
- RF
  
  Another precious wee thing.
  
  When you are Mrs Gollums partner you have to take the hard knocks.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:58am
  - Gabby
    
    What is it with the rf rfs and name calling sweaty.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:53am
    - RF
      
      Hi son. How’s it going ?
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:32pm
      - Gabby
        
        My fingers are mostly mended rf rf.
        
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        September 7, 2017 7:18pm
- alex Masterley
  
  It looks like Mr Gayford doesn’t like being in the public eye.
  I do hope that he doesn’t have skeletons in the cupboard that could make life difficult.
  Not that I think there are any skeletons of course.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:17am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Indulged in a threesome once so the jungle drums would have it.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:33am
    - RF
      
      The jungle drums are becoming louder and soon will be deafening once precious is our leader.
      
      He may turn out to be another Billy Clinton. Does he smoke cigars.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:58am
      - lifesgood
        
        I’ve heard rumours, which is all I will say. Not nice rumours, though.
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:17pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I love a nice insubstantial smear.
        Lucky for you Keeping Stock has decided Clarke Gayford is fair game; otherwise you would be in for a telling off
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:21pm
    - sam green
      
      Kkkkunty’s at it again – are you paid per comment or per slur?
      
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      September 7, 2017 6:36pm
  - cmm
    
    Rubbish He loves being in the public eye.
    
    Just three years ago he was posing in Wimmins Weakness with his girlfriend: Shavaughn Ruakere talking about marriage, kids etc.
    
    http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/celebrity/celeb-news/shavaughn-ruakere-why-i-had-to-leave-2830
    
    Two years later, more interviews and Jacinda is the best thing since sliced bread and they’re talking about kids etc.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:56am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Womens weekly stuff is puff pieces and nothing more.
      People will dig into his background and if there has been shagging around, excess injesting of substances legal or otherwise it will appear.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:11am
- Huevon
  
  He puts up with the teeth presumably. I’m sure he has enough stomach for Twitter.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  Barry Soper, that old leftie, is a dino. He or his child bride will be offended I am sure. Clarke must grow some knackers if he is serious about being the Princess’s partner. But this leads us on to whether she will retain leadership if she wins the election. She must be very familiar with the story of Comrade Leon Trotsky’s demise.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:28am
- KKKKatee
  
  I think Jacinda’s boyfriend may well regret speaking out about how he’s not coping with criticism of his precious princess. You ain’t seen nothing yet Clarke! Your girlfriend has the ability to turn this country upside down into a socialist non-paradise with ‘her’ visions if elected. So in the event of that happening, I suggest you harden up cupcake. How did you think the Key kidsl coped with the intrusion into their lives? Yeah, nah….
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Precisely Katee. Who knows; Tom Scott (Homebrew) might even write a song for Ms Ardern like the one he wrote about John and Stephie Key.
    
    One of these days I’m going to fuck your daughter. This poor boy going to make his seed, going to wake up in your girl – well hello Miss Key.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:44am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Wonder how his previous partner Shavaughn Ruakere is these days. They were soo close and planning babies according to past Womens Weekly articles, like 2013. Now his new partner wants a family.
  I wonder how many of his past partners planned babies with him.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:32am
  - KKKKatee
    
    He’s obviously got form as a ‘bolter, as the English say.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:35am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      A commitment -evader if ever there was one.
      Really, really wants kids, home and family but serially chooses career women who aren’t up for the mummy role but they’re quite useful in attracting the spotlight in his direction.
      
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      September 7, 2017 6:25pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The public deserves to know, right?
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:42am
    - Gabby
      
      I always wondered why that ‘other’ katy bolted to Hong Kong you know. Bent a few too many pricks was my theory.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:58am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Winston is such a caring guy. He will fill in for her while she takes maternity leave.
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:41pm
- MCos
  
  Max Key is probably not the best example. He seems to have cashed in on the family name rather well.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:05am
- srylands
  
  I was surprised to see that. It fully support partners of politicians being left alone and mostly that seems to happen.
  
  But that all changes if they enter debate. Then they make themselves fair game.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:22am
- big bruv
  
  That’s great, now we have his twitter handle. Given the way the stinking left went after John Key’s kids I have no problem at all in going after Mr Gayford.
  I wonder if Toothinda will ever have to have him quietly removed from LAX?
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:39am
- redeye
  
  “She said Mr Gayford “has been interested in politics long before he met me”.
  Jacinda Adern.
  
  He’s a radio broadcaster interested in left wing politics. He’s fair game.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:54am
  - RF
    
    Mr Gollum has just had a gauntlet wacked across his face.
    
    Let the games begin.
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:39pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I don’t know the Gayford bloke, but he obviously likes the sound of his own voice.
    
    Speaking of nasty lefties, how about that woman on TV3’s 7pm programme who asked Bill English “if he had someone to try his pies for poison before he ate them”. Was that supposed to be humourous as it came across as a threat!
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:22pm
- sooty
  
  Maybe, he should go and have aword to Alf to find out what is position is.
  
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  September 7, 2017 4:25pm
BeaB

So there will be a land tax on speculators. Does this mean your rental will attract a tax of $1000’s?Yesterday Gareth Morgan said a 1% tax on a $1m home would be $15,000 EVERY YEAR, as well as rates etc.
What is Jacinda proposing?
A huge new tax on landlords will have only one outcome – rocketing rents.
Grant’s hole will grow even bigger if he has to fork out huge increases in rent subsidies.
Are these people doing any thinking at all?
We know they have been asleep for the last 9 years.
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September 7, 2017 9:36am
- tf78
  
  With Gareth effectively making us tenants in our homes – who pays for the new roof, paint job, new carpet and any repairs. If the government are effectively the landlords there will be a lot of expenses coming up.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:46am
- Surely Knott
  
  We don’t have an investment property. We have a family business. But last month we received a small inheritance. There has been a small old rundown house on the market for at least two months and I thought it could be a nice project. But I won’t buy it or anything until we see what the rules for landlords or cgt is. I think I will spend the money on a family trip to Bali instead! No point putting it in assets or growing or improving anything.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    You’re not the only one. The word is that no one is making any decisions at present, everyone is holding their breath until after the election.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:54am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Thats the reality at the moment.
      Every one of our clients are sitting and waiting for the outcome of the election.
      Having said that, it has happened in each of the elections that have taken place since I started my professional career in 1985.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:19am
    - Inandout
      
      As an ardent capitalist I can see an opening for Working Group suppliers. If it works for leather..
      
      https://www.leatherworkinggroup.com/suppliers
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:32am
    - Flash
      
      Not everyone. Daughter has just bought an old state house on 900 squ.m for 300k. On the market 3 days, 3 backup offers. Confirmation Friday, settlement 3 weeks.
      They will renovate, and live there until they retire to their Eastbourne (Wgtn) cottage.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:00pm
    - VicParking
      
      Correct our family trust has been cashing up into overseas currencies. NZ$ now dropping so thats now out. Does anyone know how to invest in a Union as I here its the next big growth industry.
      
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      September 7, 2017 4:10pm
- cmm
  
  They have absolutely no clue that the “rich pricks” they are firing their envy canons at have other investment options, so any investments they make have to to earn their keep.
  
  If costs to landlords go up, then those costs will just from on to the renters otherwise the landlords will exit the rental business and the rental market will dry up.
  
  If there are less rental properties on the market then beggars can’t be choosers.
  
  The only way out is deeper socialism: build more state houses until all renting is done through the state.
  
  Same with manufacturing or farming, drive up those manufacturing and farming costs and people will exit those industries. State will have to fill in with state run industry and farms.
  
  Communism hasn’t worked anywhere else because they didn’t do it properly. I’m sure we can learn from their mistakes and be the first country in the world to do communism right….
  
  … or something like that.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:47am
  - holysheet
    
    How did that idea go in Venezuela?
    Oh, that’s right it didn’t do so well.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Have a friend and his wife who have saved, worked, and bought two retirement good quality rentals.
    Both are now on the market and the good tenants have been given notice accordingly.
    As I understand there will be 9 good tenants looking for new rentals.
    They are afraid to retai these houses and all involved and will buy more passive investments with the money.
    They believe that with a Labour/Greens/Winston Government that the dollar will fall as the US and Ausssy builds up; As a result imports will go up; that inflation will come in fast; wages will be increased with lower profits for companies; mortgages will go up quite a bit, and therefore Bank Term Deposits will go back up to where they were under the last Labour Government – about double the current rates.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:31am
  - tf78
    
    They seem to have missed the point – there are not enough tradespeople to build all these nirvana houses.
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:03pm
    - cmm
      
      Well there won’t be tradies if:
      1) There is nobody to pay them to build the new houses.
      2) The tradies decide that after 30 hours/week they’ve earned enough and go fishing.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:16pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    cmm – I’m not sure that ‘putting the price up’ will work.
    
    I envisage a wholesale overhaul of the RTA by Labour if elected and along with dodgy changes like:
    – removing the 42 day notice
    – introducing something like a housing WOF
    – outlawing letting fees (maybe they’ll outlaw plumbers/electricians/accountants charging for services rendered too)
    …. I envisage they’ll introduce limitations on rent rises too, probably to the rate of inflation. And to ensure this sticks – I think they’ll outlaw fixed-term tenancies as well.
    
    So combined with the 100 year bright line test that some working group chaired by Helen will recommend and with the fiddling with the tax situation for property owners – they can achieve the stated goal of crashing the property market down to the affordable rates.
    
    Portugal looks like a nice place to relocate to with ones capital.
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:36pm
    - VicParking
      
      Already policy:
      42 days to go to 90
      WOF
      Ban letting fees
      Rent only up every six months
      Rent rises capped.
      From the very mouth of the tooth fairy
      
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      September 7, 2017 4:14pm
EAD_TWO

Is there ever a more starker example of why “jobs created” is such a joke of a measure when it comes to measuring the results of immigration policies?

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/06/trump-immigration-crackdown-leads-higher-construction-wages/

President Donald Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigration is already having a positive impact on American workers through increased wages in the construction industry.

Rather than by artificial means (Unions and State enforced “minimum wages”) that inevitably lead to unemployment, this is the way to raise wages.

Marginal businesses that rely on low wages aren’t viable and remaining businesses become more productive. It then becomes a virtuous cycle with little/no immigration – infrastructure (roads, hospitals, electricity etc.) works as it’s designed to work making people yet more efficient as they’re not spending time waiting in queues and traffic.

Land loses its expected growth premium meaning costs reduce again and combined with higher wages, means the cost of accommodation comes down relative to wages.

We then have more leisure time due to higher wages and less time commuting, and when combined with less debt, makes the nations people healthier and happier.

And just to think there are hacks out there who want our population to hit 10M.

We’re literally trading our Kiwi lifestyle that is/was the envy of the world just so we can get a better curry.

And it’s even worse in Australia:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-05/australias-dystopian-future-nation-high-rise-renters
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September 7, 2017 9:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The next generation can become battery hens, renting tiny apartments in the big, crowded cities…
  
  (Wait a minute… Sounds like Tokyo.)
  
  Is this what native New Zealanders want for their future?
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:44am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    When you are a nationalist (and here I mean “civic nationalist” rather than an “ethnic nationalist”) you at least try to discuss, debate and identify what being a “New Zealander” means and what kind of living environment and society you wish your nation to offer.
    
    When you are a “globalist” you do what everyone else in the West/Far East is doing, and let your betters decide what kind of living environment and society New Zealand will offer to its citizens.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:01am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Civic nationalism (for NZ, I hope)
    Nation characterized by a common law and common constitution
    Membership can be chosen by immigration
    Government is a pluralist democracy
    Individuals create their nation
    
    Ethnic nationalism (for Japan and other East Asian nations)
    Nation characterized by common roots or ancestry
    Membership is inherited
    Government is where the ethnic majority rules over all others
    The nation creates the individual
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:05am
  - Inandout
    
    But they are clean and crime free, well almost.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:33am
- cmm
  
  I’m more than happy with a few people coming to NZ and making a better curry because they are generally hard working and productive.
  
  What I’m more concerned about is the huge raft of immigrants that come here because welfare looks like a good option and just displace a few low-end people from the labour market.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:50am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    cmm,
    
    “…the huge raft of immigrants that come here because welfare looks like a good option…”
    
    You just wait until National gets back into power after this globalist/socialist administration is swept from power at the end of the month…
    
    ?!…Hang on a moment!?
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:55am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So how big is this “huge raft of immigrants” who are only coming here for the welfare – please provide the source of your data?
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:03am
    - mikenmild
      
      Is it a bit like this raft?
      https://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/JEAN_LOUIS_TH%25C3%2589ODORE_G%25C3%2589RICAULT_-_La_Balsa_de_la_Medusa_%2528Museo_del_Louvre%252C_1818-19%2529.jpg/300px-JEAN_LOUIS_TH%25C3%2589ODORE_G%25C3%2589RICAULT_-_La_Balsa_de_la_Medusa_%2528Museo_del_Louvre%252C_1818-19%2529.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raft_of_the_Medusa&h=205&w=300&tbnid=2DzgQYTsfnHD4M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=235&usg=__bqx3aRPxSlqg3T3weeK2SE4xnoI=&vet=10ahUKEwiivKHczpHWAhVJX5QKHYlHAMAQ_B0IhwEwCg..i&docid=2w5u_UK2Jk7QCM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiivKHczpHWAhVJX5QKHYlHAMAQ_B0IhwEwCg
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:33am
    - GoVege
      
      Unfortunately Albert, quite a few immigrants DO take advantage of our generous welfare system.
      Most are very hard-working, and do not.
      But when we allow in conservative Muslims who believe it is their right to have several wives, how do you think they pay for the extra wives and kids?
      Then we have chauvinist P I guys who use the DPB to support another “wife” and family.
      I first heard of this 30 years ago when I met a lovely Samoan lady with 3 kids.
      Her oldest son always looked sad.
      I was told she was a solo mum because her husband took up with another woman and every time he argued with one, he’d be off to the other.
      They can do this sh*t with impunity here and it is not uncommon.
      I know another tool who has 2 wives, both in statehouses a few minutes walk apart, one with 6 kids, the other 5.
      The worst thing is, other Pacifica guys think this is “funny”.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:06pm
Keeping Stock

Cross-posted from yesterday’s CXampaign Countdown post, which I only saw this morning.

It’s interesting that this piece, published at 7pm last evening, failure to cover off Ms Ardern’s bumbling over Labour’s proposed land tax and whether or not it covers the family home’s section.

Ardern was forced to clarify, and stated that the land the house sits on will not be taxed. However my place is around 200sqm, and sits on a section of 0.5ha. If I sold for a profit, am I going to be taxed on all the land that the house DOESN’T sit on, which in my case is most of the land
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September 7, 2017 9:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The land that the family home sits on is likely to be worth far, far more, especially for older houses built before the late 1970s.
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:46am
  - mikenmild
    
    The good point about a land tax, as opposed to a capital gains tax, is that it taxes on the basis of all the land you own, rather than being applied at the point when you sell. So a widespread land tax is probably more efficient at promoting the optimum use of land.
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:51am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Agree, but 2 problems:
      1/ will cause big shift in property value when introduced – so how do you assess the value during that transient period?
      2/ people who own a house or land often have no income to pay such a tax. Have to accumulate tax debt against the title and await sale.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:49am
      - mikenmild
        
        No 2 was a very effective means of privatising Maori land through rating sales.
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:16am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Damned good thing to as Maori with collectivist title suffered (and still do) immensely from their inability to extract value from their land – as the cuzzies would/will show up and help themselves to anything that one industrious person or family created or accumulated on that land, endlessly knocking back those that would work hard and try and improve their lot.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:17pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Yes, it wouldn’t be right to let them decide what to do with their own land, would it?
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:22pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I’d have no problem with them doing whatever they wanted to if they were able to support themselves without putting their hands out and imposing other costs on NZ. Alas Iwi have mostly only been successful when granted special rights privileges and freebies not available to everyone, and still expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their backwards bullshit.
        
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        September 7, 2017 5:08pm
    - simpleton1
      
      “older houses”, with the front lawn and back lawn should be land taxed, until it is subdivided and and then that Jacinda 2 bedroom state house can be built.
      
      That then allows the home owner’s house’s land foot print to be exempt.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:43am
    - tf78
      
      We have a land tax – it’s called rates, or will rates then become a levy to make way for the new “Land Tax”.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:07pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Is it fair to tax an asset that you own, that you do not intend to use for material income (or even as security for a loan) or to sell, but to pass on to your children?
      I think of those old bungalows in Ellerslie on 1/4-acre sections.
      Imagine if I were an elderly Kiwi who bought one in the late 1960s, who intended to pass it on to my children. Why should the State tax me for my own assets that I use to derive pleasure in life (and not as income sources)? I would consider my cherished Kiwi lifestyle (the half-gallon, 1/4-acre, Pavalova paradise) to be under threat from the globalists who want to turn Auckland into a ubiquitous Pacific-Rim cosmopolitan metropolis with no regard for the unique culture treasure they are throwing away.
      
      … Rant mode (OFF)
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:11pm
    - Paulus
      
      What do you mean “as opposed to a Capital Gains Tax” – it is in additionally and annually on Unrealised Capital Gains.
      Actual CGT comes in when sold as well.
      As will the return of Death Duty Tax.
      Remember that CGT in any form has nothing to do with Council Rates. They will continue to rise in the normal way as their costs escalate following huge salary rises for Public Servants.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  That’s a vital point to clarify. What do you think normal people mean when they say “the land the house sits on”? The building site? Your section? Your entire land holdings? The territorial authority (my house sits in Whanganui)? The whole country?
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:49am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    mikemild,
    
    I would assume “the land in the freehold title of that property.”
    
    In Japan, a housing lot for a detached house is typically around 1oo to 120 square meters, so it is theoretically possible for most Auckland townhouses on their 300-square-meter sections to be “subdivided” some time in the next century if current trends continue… (shudder!).
    
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    September 7, 2017 9:53am
  - Paulus
    
    But will exclude Maori Land as nobody knows who will pay due to their archaic ownerships.
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:52pm
- cas
  
  Yes our place has a section of just over 1 ha but the house is 110sqm and we have a separate garage. So what will be exempt?
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:06am
  - mikenmild
    
    Who knows? Remember, Labour refuses to rule out taxing your domestic pets.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:27am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I thought it was Gareth who was coming for our kittens, but now we have to worry about Labour too??
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:50am
      - mikenmild
        
        I wish I were joking, but Labour will also be taxing Fletch’s sex toys to fund gender reassignment surgery,
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:43am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        LOL
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:18pm
      - Fletch
        
        Nah, I pay cash under the table for them 😉
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:01pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      First they came for my dog…
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:12pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Define domestic? Cows are domesticated.
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Well, the cat that shat in my bathroom this morning was risking being declared feral.
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:45pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Nah, you deserved it 😉
        
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        September 7, 2017 5:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        That reminds me, Milky.
        Many years ago we found a dog and brought it home.
        Later on I was cooking dinner and my ten year old came to me looking very despondent.
        “I don’t think you’re going to want to keep the dog, mum”, he said.
        I followed him into the lounge, where the dog had made a large deposit on the floor.
        
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        September 7, 2017 9:30pm
- simpleton1
  
  Sounds like a front lawn & back lawn, land tax can not be too faraway, so to push owners to subdivide that valuable land and sell it.
  
  Probably not immediately after this election, but once the legislation gets the easy hanging fruit, then a tweak from an Order in Council as more land will be needed for those many Jacinda 2 bed-room state houses.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:55am
  - sooty
    
    Watch it Labour will be putting up tents on your front and back section to house slaves and immigrants soon.
    
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    September 7, 2017 4:49pm
oldpark

Don’t compare me to President Trump,said m/s Ardern. Maybe she would rather be compared to crooked Hillary Clinton,who put the boot into hardworking taxpayers in that country and called them “deplorables”. Liebour/Green mafias are out to get the vote from the same type of hardworking “deplorable” NZ taxpayers,treating them same as Hillary Clinton,in their lust for power.
Not forgetting the nasty smogasboard of crippling taxes awaiting voters if they win,on 23 09 2017.
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September 7, 2017 9:48am
Manolo

The AGW zealots rejoice:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4854012/Hurricane-Irma-strengthens-CATEGORY-FIVE-storm.html

America’s National Hurricane Center said Irma had strengthened into a dangerous Category 5 storm as it made its first landfall in islands of northeast Caribbean on a path that could take it to the United States – causing thousands to start panic buying and preparing to evacuate.
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September 7, 2017 9:59am
- Gruffydd
  
  Its only god having a go at Trump Manolo.
  Irma his estate “Le Chateau des Palmiers” in St Martin last night .
  It is heading straight for Mar a lago from there.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:10pm
- howitis
  
  But global warming has caused the wine production to plummet in France.
  Dontchaknow!
  Frosts in April have severely reduced production this year and to some degree last year.
  They interviewed a French chappie on Garner’s show this morning. The cause is global warming!
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-wine/sharp-frosts-damage-french-wine-production-idUSKBN17T2HH
  
  http://www.decanter.com/wine-news/fatal-frost-hits-champagne-vineyards-367272/
  … Temperatures again dipped below freezing on Thursday night (20 April).
  Horiot said that he believed frost issues will continue in years to come, because of the global warming…….
  
  I have admiration for people who risk their own capital and work the land subject to the vagaries of weather- even when they are French.
  However running the mouth off over the lies of BS global warming is not on.
  The last time it was this bad in France (worse actually) was 1991. It is cyclical.
  1991 was a severe winter in NZ as well.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:53pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    ROFL
    from your links .
    
    “The vineyard was three weeks ahead in its growth, shoots were already well developed. Frost destroyed everything – shoots are dead,” Julien Hubail, expert at the Bugey wine union, said.
    
    Horiot said that he believed frost issues will continue in years to come, because of the global warming. ‘It is not the frosts which are later than they traditionally have been, it’s the mild weather in March which has caused the vines to develop earlier than in the past.’
    
    So the problem is not a late season frost or cold.
    It is unusual early season warmth spurring out of season growth that then gets frosted .
    As has happened in quite a few places in the last few years including here .
    
    Your rant was about what I expect from some drunken Luddite that thinks science is a lie.
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:28pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “Your rant was about what I expect from some drunken Luddite that thinks science is a lie.”
      
      Your rant was about what I expect from some drug addled Liberal that thinks scientific THEORIES are not open for debate. 🙂
      
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      September 7, 2017 1:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Now, you do know that “THEORIES” in regards to Science does not mean, as you may be implying, idle speculation or postulations like anyone can think up anytime, anywhere
        
        …but are better understood as “explanations based on empirical data”?
        
        But yes, like everything they are subject to debate. Or at least they should be. The question is whether the debate is good, informed and open-minded…or not. So in that case, what’s your take on a thread that started with, “The AGW zealots rejoice…”?
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:56pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not “guesses” but reliable accounts of the real world.
        Scientific theory – Wikipedia
        
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        September 7, 2017 2:06pm
    - howitis
      
      onya Griff.
      
      I deliberately posted a partial quote to see if the follow up was there.
      It still does not stop the fact that there are late frosts. Outside normal distribution.
      
      Hot and cold are cyclical like the French 1991 cold winter and again in 2003
      
      Sometimes it is hot. Very hot.
      Sometimes it is cold. Very cold.
      Warmists like to ignore part 2.
      It ruins their dream and ability to tax nature.
      
      The very lefty Guardian even calls it as it is
      …The bitter cold struck twice within a week in April, ravaging the fragile shoots and buds that had emerged prematurely after mild temperatures in March….
      
      So there was a mild spell in March but there were still FROSTS in late April (severe) and early May. UNUSUAL late frosts – two years in a row.
      Fact: the cold weather appearing late in the season.
      An inconvenient truth.
      Goddam those facts.
      Lets focus on some warm March weather and rub out frost records in our quest for an illusion. Manipulate those graphs. Al Gore did.
      
      Temperatures up and down. It’s just nature at work but socialists will tax anything they can.
      
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      September 7, 2017 4:41pm
flipper

be he will learn the hard way
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September 7, 2017 10:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  Know a 38 year old who has only ever worked part time occasionally. No physical imparment. Drawn some sort of benefit since leaving high school. Did attend uni for a few years. Currently spending his days like an elderly retiree doing bugger all, and living back with parents virtually gratis.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:12am
  - KevOB
    
    That describes a drug impairment.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:39am
    - waikatogirl
      
      You’re not wrong KevOB! Too much weed, and alcohol and a lazy disposition are not a good combination.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:21am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Well silly parents, in fact can you call them parents, they haven’t done their job which is to have children who in turn become tax paying citizens and then have children etc., etc., a repeating cycle so that society works.
    You get one person breaking the cycle and the whole thing starts to come to a halt. Tell that 38 year old to get out and get a job and start contributing.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:39am
    - GoVege
      
      Probably the parents are too soft.
      But look on the bright side: at least his parents are looking after him.
      And he could be taking up a statehouse and collecting a fortune in bennies to reproduce multiple clones of himself.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:11pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Probably hasn’t stopped him breeding, having sex is no doubt a human right.
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:37pm
waikatogirl

Greenpeace protesters have set up a protest camp against dirty rivers inside a dam (looks like a reservoir) in central Canterbury allowing a large quantity of life giving water for better irrigation.

I don’t quite get Greenpeace’s argument. Surely existing rivers will fill up with rainwater and snowmelt, so if there is increased water catchment with the dam, ie lakes for irrigation it won’t affect river water quality?
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September 7, 2017 10:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Shouldn’t they be setting up the camp in an Urban river – where the real problems lie? Only unsafe-for-swimming rivers in Canterbury are the Avon and Heathcote in Christchurch. Worst in country are in Auckland.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:53am
- Chuck Bird
  
  If you don’t understand Greenpeace’s argument you are not smoking enough dope.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:48pm
flipper

September 6, 2017 2:43pm by David Farrar
Carrots and stick for young unemployed
National has announced:
• $72 million over four years for beneficiaries aged under 25
• Guaranteeing work experience or training for those who have been on jobseekers benefit for six months or longer, and financial management training to help them develop financial responsibility
• Providing rehabilitation services if drug use is identified as a barrier to employment
• Ensuring all young people under 25 who are on a job seekers benefit receive intensive one-on-one case management to get a job.
• Job seekers without children who refuse work experience or training or recreational drug rehabilitation will lose 50 per cent of their benefit entitlement after four weeks of not meeting their obligations
90% of young people on a jobseekers benefit get off it within six months. But the 10% who do not stay on for an average of 10 years. So this is aimed at the tough 10%
Now would the biased MSM care to explain their description of the policy as an attack on beneficiaries?
It is typical them, and the pussies (liker Bradford) they choose to criticise this announcement.
Drugs a bar to employment? Yep.

True story: my 20-year-old grandson used his 12-year-old brother to dodge a drug sample of urine. He got the job ( fork lift operator) , but then realized it could have prevented his employment. He still uses grass…. And now faces even stiffer drug tests as he sits a series of tests to become a logging truck driver.
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September 7, 2017 10:09am
- mikenmild
  
  Good on him. Using tests that reveal drug use in the past, rather than actual impairment of job performance, are useless. Why fire a guy for smoking weed in the weekend if you’re not breathalysing all the workers every morning?
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:29am
  - Gruffydd
    
    #Hypocrisy.
    Fully stocked drinks cabinet in the board room whilst policing your workers for smoking on their own time .
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:51am
    - mikenmild
      
      As Shakespeare put it: “Hypocrite, thy name is company director”.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:03am
      - lofty
        
        Weeelllll Mikenmild & Gruffydd
        I am a company director, and I can assure you that I do not have a drinks cabinet in the board room let alone a fully stocked one.
        Yes we do have a board room, where governance issues and strategies are pursued, as we endeavour to grow and provide employment.
        
        Piss drinking doesn’t help that process Mike and Gruffydd.
        
        At home however 😉
        
        Carry on as you both do and spray your respective cans of false invective around the room, it always gives me a giggle.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:19pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        You are not a representative of all company’s
        I have been into more than one board room with a drinks cabinet .
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:38pm
      - kowtow
        
        As Churchill put it “Socialism, the gospel of envy”
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        It is all hypothetical as Griff would fail the drug testing, assuming he passed the psych assessments, which he of course wouldn’t.
        
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        September 7, 2017 5:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        Was that Churchill’s excuse for letting the peasants starve and freeze, kowtow?
        
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        September 7, 2017 9:34pm
    - Paulus
      
      Gryffydd
      Bullshit – it is only top Council people who have full facilities paid for by Ratepayers.
      Get real.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:55pm
  - mandk
    
    In the past I’ve been pissed and I’ve been stoned.
    
    The effects of being stoned last much longer.
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:06pm
Manolo

Feel sorry for National and Bill English.

I do not. They squandered many opportunities to make real progress over the past nine years.

John Key loved to play the populist PM instead of being an effective one. The results are here.
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September 7, 2017 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  Yes they should be punished for their laziness, but not by installing a regime of incompetents.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:36am
  - BeaB
    
    They haven’t been lazy. Perhaps they just haven’t done the things you wanted done while they were busy doing a huge job on hundreds of other things.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:20am
    - Flash
      
      It’s important to remember that running the country is a diverse business. Easing the way along many paths without each encroaching on the one next door requires both single-mindedness and agility.
      I get the feeling that the Nats are tired –
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:16pm
    - GoVege
      
      You mean like affordable housing?
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:17pm
      - simpleton1
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/33455/muldoon-announces-a-wage-and-prize-freeze-1982
        Did it work?
        
        Affordable housing, could be quite good, considering the affordable Jacinda 2 bedroom state house, possibly put on a front or back lawn, near you.
        
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        September 7, 2017 12:28pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nine years in opposition and still no Policy.
      What did they do in that time – sit on their fat arses and complain – not realising that they may become answerable one day – like now.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:57pm
MrTips

To be expected: Ardern backtracks on land tax
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/more-confusion-over-labours-tax-plans-jw-207423
Of course StuffEd haven’t reported this as they are too busy brushing up their CV’s in the hope of a payrise in the Beehive…

Seriously, Robbo is an economic ignoramous and is making stuff up on the fly helped by BubbaGanooshandCo®, whereas Ardern has no idea at all. Why 39% think she’s the messiah is beyond rational explanation.
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September 7, 2017 10:23am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  That 39% will be 45% in tonight’s poll to be released by resident commie Corin Dann.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:24am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Why Bill English won’t win today’s debate?

1. Resident evil commie Corin Dann has set up the one news poll which will show Labour governing alone with Greens. This is perfectly timed to kneecap Bill English. Labour will be on 45% and Greens on 6% and National at 39%. Commie will conclude that now there is only government possible and National need not bother.

2. The Stuff debate will be hosted by two left leaning, Jacinda worshipping commie sisters who will help Jacinda every step of the way and thwart any reasonable debate points from Bill English. Tracy Watkins gave the second debate to Jacinda!! Give me a break.

3. The expected crowd of 700 will be stacked with Labour supports who will clap every word Tooth Fairy utters and boo Bill English.

4. The panel will be stacked with lefty unionists and they will conclude that Jacinda is the winner. I wouldn’t be surprised if aunty Helen is a panel member. Barry Soap will write a column that how Jacinda narrowly won the debate.

5. Most of the questions will be about Christchurch rebuild and all the progress so far will be conveniently ignored and only the negatives will be highlighted.

I rest my case. Feel sorry for National and Bill English. Nine years of hard work and surplus finally. Immediately the commies and socialists turn up to spend it away. There is no God folks, there is no God.
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September 7, 2017 10:23am
- MrTips
  
  Do you put prunes on your All Bran?
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:26am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Commie’ Corin Dann will presumably preface his report with a call for the proletariat to seize the means of production and close it with a rendition of The Red Flag.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That would not surprise me one iota mikenmild
    
    /sarcasm ends
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:48am
    - Gabby
      
      /smugness continues
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:12am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    That wasn’t an option during the flag debate, should it have been? I would love to have seen the Labourites voting it down. 😉
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:23pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Jacinda given the questions first perhaps?
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:44am
  - Gabby
    
    Why would Bingles share the questions?
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:38am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      He doesn’t need advance notice of the questions. Patsy questions or ‘feels’ don’t count.
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:21pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I love to watch Corin Dann trying to control his rage and facial expressions at his hatred of National. ??
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:28am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I will be watching online but have a friend who does not have a computer. Does anyone know if the debate will be broadcast on radio?
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:56pm
- Paulus
  
  Easy – don’t watch – hundreds of thousands will not either.
  You know that the Media Party, who have taken over, will be totally biased – they lost out last time and are doing their best to see that they are right and you are wrong this time.
  To what end makes me wonder !
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/96503854/counting-the-cost-of-sea-level-rise

What I would like to know, Mr. English, is when are you going to make full insurance on ALL properties compulsory? Sometime before this election would be good.
And why, Mr. English, has the taxpayer paid for owners of uninsured Chch red-zone properties?
Does this mean I can now stop paying for full insurance on mine?
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September 7, 2017 10:27am
- mikenmild
  
  You should definitely stop paying your insurance. And then set fire to your house and see how you get on. Please report back to the group on your experience.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:32am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If he set fire to his own house, his insurance wouldn’t pay out then either.
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:46am
    - mikenmild
      
      Okay. So for the purposes of our experiment, he stops paying his insurance and you go around and set fire to his house.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Or pop down to Wanganui and set fire to your house.
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:32pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m keeping up my insurance premiums.
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:58pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Then I would assume that I would be charged with arson and he would be homeless and it would be the governments fault?
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Compensating people who didn’t take out and pay insurance seems morally wrong.
  
  We’re all going to have more expensive insurance, because of New Zealand’s vulnerability to earthquakes, volcanoes, and tidal waves. This makes international re-insurers nervous.
  
  New Zealanders who don’t buy insurance make it more expensive for the rest of us. It’s worse when they then rely on taxpayers for compensation in a calamity.
  
  Here’s an interesting quote from Reinsurance News on July 26. (This site uses the Western Samoa code suffix, which suggests the Samoans are making money from leasing their code.)
  
  Michael Naylor, an insurance commentator from Massey University, highlighted the huge volume of claims after the Kaikoura and Canterbury quakes, and warned that while New Zealand will always be able to get reinsurance protection, it could come at a steep price.
  
  “I’m of the opinion that the major roles of the Earthquake Commission should not be paying out minor claims but backing insurers in terms of ensuring reinsurance access,” said Naylor.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Then there is always the ones who find a way to rip off the insurance companies. The story of the same TV making its way along the Christchurch street ahead of the insurance assessors. I’m guessing there were other rorts going on in the chaos that was the aftermath of the earthquake.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:39am
- Paulus
  
  Like those who bought cheap insurance from AMI whose Management were totally incompetent so that they could cut the opposition by making unrealistic premiums – and going bust.
  Remember AMI were a Mutual which means that the Policyholders are the Shareholders and should have been held liable like any other company.
  So our stupid Government with Taxpayers money bails them out with billions of dollars to which they were not entitled.
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:05pm
- trout
  
  @greybeard The Govt. paid out on uninsured properties in the red zone because they undertook what was, in effect, a compulsory aquisition. No problem with that. Uninsured properties elsewhere did not receive the same consideration.
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:06pm
  - greybeard
    
    True, Trout. But until a couple of days ago they refused to pay anything for the improvements to those red-zone properties. Now, just before the election, they have decided to pay out 80% of the QV for the improvements as at the time of the earthquake, as well as for the land.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:22pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96582441/gustav-otto-sanft-sentenced-to-four-years-four-months-in-prison-for-manslaughter-of-his-daughter

Glad to see this bastard sent away, but four years isn’t enough.

No doubt he’s still going to cost us a whole lot more in appeals etc.
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September 7, 2017 10:33am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, Sanft should go back to Tonga when he’s finished his term in jail.
  
  It was a criminal type gun: cut down and modified. Not the short you use for ducks or rabbits. Sanft had no firearms licence.
  
  This guy seems to be a descendant of August Sanft, a German adventurer who after being in gold rushes in California and Australia, moved to Tonga, where Germans played an important part in business a century and a half ago.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:58am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Part of Samoa was a German protectorate (not really a colony) before WW1, NZ gained that part as part of the Versailles treaty after having provided troops for the take over in 1914.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:16am
fluffykiwi

Jeremy Corbyn getting in on the act according to Newshub.
‘Jacinda, do it for all of us’ – Jeremy Corbyn”
Foreigners interfering in our election naughty naughty.
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September 7, 2017 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Bloody Russians.
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:38am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I call bullshit on that fluffykiwi. If it has really been Corbyn saying that he would have started his salutation “Comrade Jacinda” 😉
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:50am
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    Fake news you think. Newshub don’t do fake news do they?
    
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    September 7, 2017 10:57am
kowtow

Look what’s happening in Sweden.
The diversity dividend.
All the excuses except the truth , third world migration.

“Gerell also singled out Malmö, Sweden’s third-largest city, as the one place where shootings are becoming particularly common.

“Malmö stands out,” he said, noting that the southern city is somewhat more exposed to social problems and poverty in comparison to both the capital and Gothenburg.

“Malmö is also what we describe an ‘early adopter’ when it comes to crime. It was the first of the three cities where hand grenade crimes became more commonplace and it was also the place for the establishment of Sweden’s first biker-gangs. We don’t know whether this is to do with its proximity to the European continent or not, but it could explain why the trends seem to start there.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/why-sweden-has-more-fatal-shootings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo
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September 7, 2017 10:58am
- mikenmild
  
  You think the Muslims are forming ‘biker gangs’?
  From my knowledge of Sweden (derived from episodes of Wallender and The Bridge), you might want to look at folks coming from the Baltic States, Poland and Russia.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    No numpty. Read again.
    
    He’s saying Malmo has always been a crime early adopter – first with biker gangs , now with Muslims.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:18am
    - GoVege
      
      Could be true.
      Mr Govege got into an altercation with a Muslim last year who claimed he was “in a gang”.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:21pm
  - realityczech
    
    “you might want to look at folks coming from the Baltic States, Poland and Russia”
    
    Wascist !!!!
    
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    September 7, 2017 12:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Just hearing that Mrs. Ed and her colleagues are going to stop spending on roads. No Otaki bypass or four-laning to Sanson (already announced by National).
Add the new union-controlled workplaces and it’s full steam ahead back to 1950.
Keep these pricks away from the tiller!

TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
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September 7, 2017 11:15am
- fluffykiwi
  
  I will be blue and yellow for the support partner.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:29am
- Gabby
  
  I think you’re entering the realms of fantasy Jones.
  
  TULIXPU !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:36am
  - rangitoto
    
    SheTaxU
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:55am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      LetsPooThis
      
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      September 7, 2017 2:11pm
SteveRemmington

For those really interested in the ramifications of a CGT should look at what a working group found back in 2010.

Admittedly out of date but the premise behind the tax will remain the same regardless of the passing of time.

https://www.victoria.ac.nz/sacl/centres-and-institutes/cagtr/twg/publications/3-land-tax-ird_treasury.pdf
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September 7, 2017 11:15am
- mandk
  
  Correct, the premise behind the tax remains the same, despite the passing of a relatively brief period of time.
  
  Either Ardern has no idea what the 2010 TWG report said, or she does know and is simply planning to use another TWG as a trojan horse.
  
  Either way, she can’t be trusted.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:11pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Labour leader Jacinda Ardern’s partner Clarke Gayford stands up for her – NZ Herald … with video interview …

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11918715

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern’s partner has lashed out at the “scaremongering old dinos” taking a punt at his love.

Clarke Gayford posted to Twitter this morning in response to an article by Richard Prebble titled: Reasons not to vote for Jacinda.

He suggested the author needed to crawl into Finance Minister Steven Joyce’s imaginary $11billion hole. … view & read more via hyperlink above …
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September 7, 2017 11:18am
- cmm
  
  Jacinda has needed a lot of people standing up for her:
  * Baby gate.
  * Lipstick on a pig.
  * Now her boyfriend.
  
  So much for being a strong woman who can stand on her own two feet and face the world on our behalf.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:22am
- fluffykiwi
  
  He has now laid himself open to all and sundry criticism. Most partners of Party Leaders stick to the basic womens weekly stuff.
  He is now fair game. He has been happy to do the Womens weekly stuff. Now he is getting into the open forum of the daily papers and criticising in a political manner, he will now have to accept all that is written about him, past present and future.
  Lippy might have to find someone more suitable to have babies with.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:27am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I don’t agree with people targeting the families of our MP’s Hugh. However Gayford has himself chosen to make an abusive (and ageist) comment towards Richard Prebble, and when you make choices like that, you have to deal with the consequences.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:44am
  - mikenmild
    
    And we all know how you detest abusive comments…
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:46am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I think you’ll find I have been consistent in my disliking of abusive comments directed at the families of MP’s from across the political spectrum.
      
      However if one of those family members courts a response, that’s a different matter.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:52am
      - mikenmild
        
        But any nasty comments directed at Clarke Gayford now have your implicit endorsement?
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:55am
  - mikenmild
    
    Let’s see. Richard Prebble (aged 69) criticised Ardern’s age, career and life experience.
    At age 37, Richard Prebble had been an MP for nine years and had just become a cabinet minister. Funnily enough, he had entered parliament at the same age as Ardern did. But I’m quite sure his ‘life experience before age 28 was much more relevant than Ardern’s.
    Premature senility.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:53am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Prebble achieved a hell of a lot more for his country than the people’s princess ever will.
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        I think Clark Gayford is being very restrained in defending his partner Jacinda Ardern against the attacks by the nasties on the Right (note Hooton’s comments I posted on this thread as well).
        
        Gayfords comments are very restrained indeed in comparison with the late President Harry Truman dishing it up to music critic Paul Hume, when the latter commented negatively about his daughter Margaret Truman’s singing abilities …
        
        Harry S. Truman to Music Critic Paul Hume
        
        http://www.rjgeib.com/heroes/truman/truman-daughter.html
        
        … extract …
        
        “Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you’ll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Prebble and Hooton should thank their lucky stars it’s the more gentle Clark Gayford they have crossed !
        
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        September 7, 2017 5:23pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Latest poll
        
        New Poll: Labour widens lead over National to 4 points in latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-poll-labour-widens-lead-over-national-4-points-in-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton
        
        The Labour Party has widened its lead over National to four points in the latest 1 News Colmar Brunton poll out tonight, registering an approval rating of 43 per cent to National’s 39 per cent. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:36pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … The guys on the far – Right are at least entertaining … save National with Act … really ? …
  
  Richard Prebble: The Jacinda tidal wave can be stopped – NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11917965
  
  … concluding …
  
  … David Seymour has impressed in the debates. He has been a good MP for Epsom which he is winning so all Act list votes will count. Act is the only party promising to reform the RMA and putting forward fresh ideas. In just three weeks of one election Act went from 1 per cent to electing seven MPs. Act could be National’s lifeline.
  
  Will the Jacinda tidal wave be turned back? I doubt it. Voting starts in just a week. Bill English is a nice guy and we all know where they finish.
  
  • Richard Prebble is a former leader of Act.
  
  … Early August … Matthew Hooton had this odd and nervous interview with Chris Lynch on radio … discuss Jacinda Ardern … NZ Herald reports …
  
  Matthew Hooton: Jacinda Ardern ‘will fail, I think she’s a flake’ – NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897541
  
  … Let’s continue working together with nice guys like Bill English and Jacinda Ardern to sort out in an evolutionary way … with the essential engagement and consent of the governed … the ‘legislate in haste – repent at leisure’ crash changes of the late 1980’s / early 1990’s …
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:14pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Why just former leader of Act as his descriptor? Why not also include “former Labour government minister”?
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:16pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Jacinda’s other half doesn’t seem so smart
  
  Seeing as Mr Gayford (really?) has decided to enter the political fray – that makes him fair game.
  
  His profile on the Johnson & Baird talent agency website starts off with …
  “This highly sort after and experienced MC, DJ and Keynote speaker ..”
  
  Usually highly sought after professional communicators like Gayford write these things themselves ….
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:50pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How lovely they have ‘djing’ in common.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:44pm
dime

Clarke Gayasfuck seems upset lol

stuff called him – clark slayford!!!

didnt click their “article” to see if his tweet was considered “epic” though.

how will he feel if some garbage bands writes a song about raping him?

then bill english says “they is my most favourite band ever!!”
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September 7, 2017 11:19am
- Surely Knott
  
  Stuff didn’t even put the piece by Richard Prebble up. Which was a fair editorial piece analysis based on her not saying what her taxes were and who they could potentionally impact, her coalition partners will mean the government further left than anything NZ has had before, and a lack of experience. But Stuff thinks that the front page belongs to her media lovey boyfriend who puts a one liner on twitter. Sigh
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:28am
- SteveRemmington
  
  I think someone filled poor old Clarke’s dive tank up with a whole lot of stupid.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:36am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Indeed he has made it out to be a personal attack on Jacinda, when in fact it is an attack on the labour party.
    Of course Jacinda probably thinks the labour party is her with all the media attention.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:41am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Likewise with the comparisons of Ardern to Trump. It wasn’t a personal comparison; rather a comparison of their immigration policies, and on that basis, it was not an unreasonable comparison.
      
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      September 7, 2017 11:45am
      - mikenmild
        
        Of course it was an unreasonable comparison. It’s bit like saying Bill English is just like Trump because he is concerned about North Korea’s nuclear programme.
        
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        September 7, 2017 11:57am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Yes milky there’s no similarity between:
        – Trump wanting to curb low value immigration,
        and
        – Cindy wanting to curb low value immigration
        
        because, of course! It’s OK when the Left do it!
        
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        September 7, 2017 1:53pm
  - Gabby
    
    He might just find Prebs really irritating rimmers.
    
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    September 7, 2017 8:51pm
fluffykiwi

It is all right everyone, rest easy
Land tax and the family home.
Jacinda doesn’t want to do this.
Something she doesn’t want to do.
Really, the working Party might want to do this, what then. Well we probably all know the answer to that it will be done. But she will have a little bitsy excuse.
I didn’t want to do this, they made me.
Jut like a child, always someone else’s fault and someone else to blame.
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September 7, 2017 11:19am
- simpleton1
  
  There can be a front lawn and back lawn land tax
  That way Jacinda would be honorable in not taxing the family house.
  
  Front lawn and back lawn could be exempt if it can not fit a 2 bedroom state house for Jacinda.
  Just think of the great vision from your house.
  Think of the homeless, think of the poverty children to be uplifted out of poverty, going into a nice new clean, warm home.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:49am
  - Gabby
    
    Don’t forget the garage simp. Unless you’re living in it.
    
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    September 7, 2017 11:53am
    - simpleton1
      
      You have a great point, Will the commission view garages as part of the land for land tax.???
      
      So by gabby’s behest, it will become the front lawn, & back lawn, + garage/carport land tax
      
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      September 7, 2017 12:00pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Can a garage be called a family home? Some landowners may be reduced to that.
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:46pm
fluffykiwi

Poor old Jacinda (lippy) is really going to wear it if labour don’t get in. It will all be down to her. She has used the “I” word so often.
The rest of labour will be able to say it was her, she took ownership of it. We had no say.
No team in the word “I”.
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September 7, 2017 11:40am
Inandout

This photo of Jacinda after 3 months as PM. LOL

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/09/diddums-poor-jacinda-offended/
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September 7, 2017 11:42am
- itstricky
  
  Seems we have reached peak JDS (or ADS, I haven’t decided yet)
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:23pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Nowhere near peak yet. Wait till next election cycle, when she is up against the two Co-Prime Ministers.
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:31pm
skyblue

Poll tonight, guesses? Mine are:
NAT – 43
LAB – 41
NZF – 7
Green – 5
TOP – 1
MP – 1
Rest – 2
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September 7, 2017 11:51am
- dime
  
  hoping we have seen peak jacinda and they start with a 3..
  
  if your numbers hold – deputy PM winston looks forward to working with bill..
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:31pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Okay, I’ll play:
    Nat 49.5
    Lab 17
    NZF 18.5
    Act 9
    Green 3
    TOP 2
    MP 1
    Others 1.5
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:35pm
    - Prince
      
      Let me dream…
      Nats 55%
      Labour 24%
      Greens 4.9%
      NZF 4.9%
      Act 6%
      etc.
      
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      September 7, 2017 2:47pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Good idea skyblue, I’m hoping Cindy’s ‘tax everything’ approach is waking folks up…
  
  Nat 42.5
  Lab 38
  NZF 7.5
  Act 1
  Green 5.5
  TOP 3
  MP 1
  Others 1.5
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:04pm
Jack5

Looks like the Maori Party is in trouble over its Botany Bay candidate, Wetex Kang.

He’s been accused of offering, on the Chinese social media service, WeChat, “‘hong bao dollars’, or online money envelopes.

What a great name it would be for an MP: Wetex.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11918300
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September 7, 2017 11:53am
- mikenmild
  
  I’m tempted to move to Botany (not Bay) today just so I can get a new shirt printed: “I voted for Wetex”.
  
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  September 7, 2017 11:58am
  - Gabby
    
    “and all I got was this tshirt. Honest.”
    
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    September 7, 2017 8:49pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Wetex Kang”
  
  Import 3rd World xenomorphs, get 3rd World politics and culture.
  
  Watch NZ descend into 3rd World level corruption and dysfunction as its aging white population is ethnically cleansed by replacement immigration from the 3rd World.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:39pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    “Wetex Kang”
    
    What a brilliant name, I thought it had to be a piss take/fake news as it is so close to the reddit classic We Wuz Kangz
    
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-wuz-kings
    
    If you’re wondering what the phrase means and to save you the time, “We wuz Kangz” in short is a mockery of the Afrocentric anthropological claim that Blacks are the descendants ancient Egyptian kings.
    
    The phrase is used to mock the ineptitude of Blacks, and their continued claims that all of their endless failures are the result of White people oppressing them out of hatred for the colour of their skin, rather than an innate biological incapacity to compete in White society.
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      mock the ineptitude of Blacks
      
      I prefer to mock cripples and Nazis myself, but I understand now why you’re such a fun guy at parties (and rallies).
      
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      September 7, 2017 6:42pm
      - itstricky
        
        an innate biological incapacity to compete in White society
        
        Wow, I’d would wuse the term ‘wacist’ wight wow but Wi’m not sure who Wi’m mocking wanymore.
        
        I must be biologically incapable of commenting here.
        
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        September 7, 2017 9:28pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  The Botany United Future candidate, now leader came across well on the AM show.
  
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  September 7, 2017 3:48pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Well, his party got 49 votes there last time (0.15%), a little bit below his party’s nationwide score of 0.22%, so he possibly has a little work to do before he is an electoral force the scale of, say, Penny Bright.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:56pm
Jack5

Browsing on the Stuff web site I found a bit from the Eastern Courier in Auckland, a story about a soccer team called the Fencibles.

Perhaps the revisionists haven’t spotted this. The Fencibles were the retired British soldiers (they had to be under 48) who were brought to NZ – largely Auckland – with their families – to protect Auckland from attack by Waikato Maori.

There’s a web site about the Fencibles memorabilia at Howick, which I link to below. It says:

Between 1847-1854, eleven ships brought the 2,500 fencibles and their families, which nearly doubled the population of Auckland at that time.

The revisionists who are talking about removing statues may soon be eyeing the Fencibles memorabilia – and the soccer team.

The link to the Howick Fencibles site:
http://www.fencible.org.nz/fencible-story/

The soccer team called Fencibles:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/eastern-courier/96590846/acknowledging-an-extraordinary-sporting-acheivement
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September 7, 2017 12:02pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Check out Jubilee Park in Onehunga, there used to be a sign on the House or near the house saying it was erected to repel the invading maori – I am sure that sign has long gone.!!!
  Maybe they could pull down the Fencible Cottages around the place, Onehunga and Howick.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:09pm
  - mikenmild
    
    One would hope so; seeing as the imaginary threat to attack Auckland was concocted by Grey as part of his plan to invade in the other direction.
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:55pm
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PRESS RELEASE: Penny Bright Independent candidate for Tamaki (aka ‘Nick D.Houses’) exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘gentrification’ scam today, 7 September 2017, 4pm.

“I am standing as an Independent candidate in the Tamaki electorate, to expose the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION scam,” says proven anti-privatisation, anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ Penny Bright.

“Today – dressed as ‘Nick D. Houses – Minister for Property Developers’ I shall be exposing this Tamaki scam to the voting public outside the Tamaki Regneration ‘Drop In’ event:

WHEN: Thursday 7 September 2017
TIME: 4 – 7 pm
WHERE: Te Oro, 98 Line Rd, Glen Innes. ”

“Under the pretence of ‘regenerating’ poorer communities in Glen Innes, Pt England and Panmure, has been a State-sponsored privatisation/ GENTRIFICATION land grab, and destruction of existing communities for private property developers, and wealthy ‘high end’ private buyers.”

“This, in my opinion, has been a very clever ‘smoke and mirrors’ exercise, involving similar-sounding names of different companies, with different shareholders, different constitutions and different aims and objectives.”

“On 31 March 2016, 2,867 former State houses, were transferred from Housing New Zealand Ltd, to Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, (100% Crown-owned).

https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5840214/shareholdings?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DTamaki%2BRegeneration%2BLtd%26entityTypes%3DALL%26entityStatusGroups%3DALL%26incorpFrom%3D%26incorpTo%3D%26addressTypes%3DALL%26addressKeyword%3D%26start%3D0%26limit%3D15%26sf%3D%26sd%3D%26advancedPanel%3Dfalse%26mode%3Dstandard

This was NOT the company that tenant and the public had been led to believe would receive these transferred HNZ properties.

Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd, (59% Crown, 41% Auckland Council)..

https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3937662/shareholdings?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DTamaki%2520Redevelopment%2520Company%2520Ltd

“Here are the FACTS, which prove this Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ is actually GENTRIFICATION as revealed in an Official Information Act (OIA) reply from Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, dated 21 August 2017, from “Kris Lal, External Relations Manager, Tamaki Regeneration Company”.

That to date, out of 7,500 promised new houses, only 213 new houses have been built.

That out of the 213 new houses, only 92 are ‘social’ houses – the rest have been privately sold.

That although Tamaki Regenration Ltd is 100% owned by the Crown, they will NOT reveal exactly how much money private property developers have paid for each and every former Tamaki HNZ property.

THE EVIDENCE:

“SECTION A

1) Please provide the information which confirms that the 7,500 ‘additional’ houses to be built, are ‘additional’ to the original 2,800 former HNZ properties, making a total of 10,300 properties available for future purchase or rent in the area covered by the proposed ‘Tamaki Redevelopment /Regeneration’.

(ANSWER) Of the approximately 2800 existing social houses in Tamaki at 31 March 2016, TRC will remove 2,500 and build 7,500. making a total of 7,800 properties.

…

3) Please provide the information which gives a ‘progress’ update, regarding the construction of 7,500 ‘additional’ properties to the original 2,800 HNZ properties.

a) Exactly how many former Housing NZ properties have been demolished?

(ANSWER) Since 31 March 2016, 77 demolitions of former Housing New Zealand properties have been carried out as part of the Tamaki Regeneration Programme.

b) Exactly how many ‘new’ houses have been built, and are now occupied?

(ANSWER) As at 9 August 2017, 213 new mixed tenure houses have been delivered as part of the Tamaki Regeneration Programme.

This total is made up of

92 new social houses

39 new market affordable houses

82 new private market houses

As such, it is not possible for TRC to determine how many of these new houses are currently occupied, although our expectation would be that most of these properties would be occupied.

……

SECTION B

3) Please detail exactly how much money private property developers have paid for each and every former HNZ property in the area covered by the ‘Tamaki Redevelopment’ project.

This part of your request is refused under sections 9(2)(ba), 9(2)(i) and 9(2)(j) of the Act, to protect information which is subject to an obligation of confidence and to enable TRC to carry out, without prejudice or disadvantage, commercial activities and negotiations with market participants.
..”
______________________________________________________________________________

Copies of the full 11 page above-mentioned OIA reply from Tamaki Regeneration Ltd will be made available to media.

Penny Bright

Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’.

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki
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September 7, 2017 12:24pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a load of unintelligible crap that was.
  Pay your f***ing rates.
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:05pm
- RalphT
  
  Having been away for three weeks the sight of a message from Penny has brought on a wave of homesickness.
  
  Disclaimer: of course I didn’t bother reading her posting.
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:27pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Never mind the homesickness; it’s just plain sickness.
    Mind you, based on previous form, she’ll still outpoll some of the joke parties in Tamaki.
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:53pm
    - RalphT
      
      Like Labour?
      
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      September 7, 2017 2:33pm
      - mikenmild
        
        More like in Helensville, where she outpolled ACT, or in the mayoral election, where she ran fourth.
        This time, in Tamaki, I reckon she will get more votes than ACT and TOP.
        
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        September 7, 2017 2:39pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Nick D Houses”
  
  Will you be wearing the same costume as when you pulled a stunt against John Key Penny?
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:37pm
simpleton1

All about privatization of funds.

In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.
https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/

Was the auditor corrupt and in on it too?
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September 7, 2017 12:33pm
- stigie
  
  When are the more than useless Auckland Council coming for your house Penny..?
  Don’t they know that the other decent ratepayers who pay their fair share are getting ripped off by the property owner in School Rd. Kingsland !~
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:48pm
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Gayford needs to keep his mouth shut. Speaking out to defend his girlfriend makes her look weak and will cost her votes.
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September 7, 2017 12:40pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  One can live in hope for the loss of votes.
  What an old fashioned chappy he is, a knight in shining armour no less.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:43pm
- cmm
  
  She doesn’t need her boyfriend to make her look weak.
  
  She can do that all on her own.
  
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  September 7, 2017 12:55pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Speaking out to defend his girlfriend makes her look weak and will cost her votes.”
  
  In other words he needs to keep his mouth open ………….
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Have you not heard of “chivalry”, RC?
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:56pm
- Gabby
  
  But you don’t make your bf Chumpie look weak do you czitty.
  
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  September 7, 2017 6:58pm
cmm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11918846

Restart the forestry service because the new houses need more wood.

A) Except in Magic Pony Jacindaland, trees take about 25-30 years to get to maturity. Won’t be ready for your KiwiBuild program sweetie!

B) There’s plenty of forestry already going on. So much that all the greenies are telling us it is a disaster. Are government forests better for the environment?
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September 7, 2017 12:52pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Safety elves have destroyed the milling industry, all the small mills that used to service non-forestry centres have closed down because of OSH compliance costs. The only mills that can still operate with even marginal economics have to be massive to afford the extra inefficiencies and staff needed for compliance. Fat chance of labour fixing that, mills run by humans wont be coming back in NZ.
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:24pm
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s a bit tough when you can’t carry out your business as usual. What’s a few deaths compared to a profitable sawmill or three?
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:29pm
    - kowtow
      
      mm is an advocate for open slather abortion.
      I don’t think he really cares about deaths anywhere , be they in womb or a forest.
      
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      September 7, 2017 2:46pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Or you.
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:23pm
  - Gabby
    
    You mean they weren’t outbid for raw material by foreign companies?
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:56pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

theCunt still blames everyone else except her own toxicity for her historical crash and burn in the US 2016 Presidential election.

She even reckons she should have squeezed old Bernie’s saggy goat sack harder – obviously secretly colluding with the DNC chair bitch from hell to destroy Bernie in the Dem presidential nomination run off wasn’t filthy dirty enough to get the job done.

The entire world dodged a bullet when theCunt’s presidential ambitions got body slammed by White America.

“What makes me such a lightning rod for fury? I’m really asking. I’m at a loss… I think it’s partly because I’m a woman.”

Yeah whatever, you toxic bitch.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/hillary-blames-barack-obama-james-comey-and-vladimir-putin-her-election-loss
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September 7, 2017 12:53pm
- BeaB
  
  Go to The Standard where this sort of nasty bilge belongs.
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:50pm
- GoVege
  
  Language, jazz, language!
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:54pm
Keeping Stock

Why is Labour’s Chief of Staff threatening a Downs Syndrome advocacy group?

Thursday, 7 September, 2017 – 09:39
Down syndrome advocacy call on Jacinda Arden to confirm time limit for disability abortion will not be lifted and for Labour Party chief of staff to apologise for threatening action against group

Down’s syndrome advocacy group Saving Downs are calling on Jacinda Arden to confirm that her pledge to change New Zealand’s abortion laws will not involve changing the current 20 week limit for disability-selective abortion and for Labour Party chief of staff Neale Jones to apologise for threatening action against the group for voicing their concerns on this issue.

In a televised leaders debate earlier this week, Arden pledged to decriminalise abortion saying that abortion “shouldn’t be in the Crimes Act”. She has repeated this in a follow-up statement to the media on Tuesday, but has yet to confirm that she will not be changing the current 20 week limit for disability-selective abortions.

The current New Zealand 20 week limit for disability selective abortions is contained in section 187A of the Crimes Act. In the handful of jurisdictions that have decriminalised abortion – China, Vietnam, Canada and two states in Australia – gestational time limits for disability-selective abortions have been removed and abortion for babies with disabilities are available right up to birth. The main group who have been lobbying for the introduction of the policy, the Abortion Law Reform Association of New Zealand, have made it clear that they want to introduce abortion right up 40 weeks for children who have disabilities.

Saving Downs have spoken to the Labour Party on this issue but they refused to give any confirmation that decriminalisation would not involve changing the current 20 week limit for disability-selective abortions.

Instead in a phone call on Tuesday evening the group were threatened by Labour chief of staff, Neale Jones, with action for publicly voicing their concerns about Ardern’s abortion decriminalisation pledge and the implications it could have for people with Down’s syndrome and their families.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/292590

This is absolutely disgraceful. However given that Jones is well known to have formerly blogged at The Standard under an assumed name, it should come as no surprise.
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September 7, 2017 1:07pm
- GoVege
  
  What “action” is Jones supposed to have threatened, KS?
  
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  September 7, 2017 1:23pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Here you go Go Vege:
    
    Mike Sullivan, head of Down’s syndrome advocacy group Saving Downs and father of Rebecca who has Down’s syndrome said:
    
    “All we are asking for here is a simple confirmation from Jacinda Arden that her policy will not be changing the current 20-week limit for disability-selective abortions. We need clarification on this as in every other jurisdiction that has decriminalised abortion, gestational time limits for disability-selective abortions have been removed and abortion for babies with disabilities are available right up to birth. Our families deserve to know where the Labour Party stands on this ahead of the election.”
    
    “We have asked Labour chief of staff Neil Jones for confirmation on this. He refused and instead threatened action against Saving Downs regarding our press release and social media posts on this issue. It’s disappointing to see that the Labour Party are trying to bully us into silence over genuine concerns we have about this policy and the implications it would have for people with disabilities and their families.”
    
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    September 7, 2017 1:30pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Bo hoo.
      What ‘implications … for people with disabilities and their families’?
      What’s so special about 20 weeks that these people think they can tell a woman that she can’t choose to abort a foetus after that time?
      
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      September 7, 2017 1:51pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Oh, nicely done mikenmild. Beat up on the people who decided not to abort their children, even though they knew they would be born with an intellectual disability. Mate, you’re all class; not.
        
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        September 7, 2017 2:37pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m not beating up on them; why do they want to hassle women making their own decisions about terminations?
        
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        September 7, 2017 2:58pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “I’m not beating up on them”
        
        Yes you are.
        
        ” why do they want to hassle women making their own decisions about terminations?”
        
        Did you bother actually reading about their concerns, or asking them directly? Or did you just decide to verbally beat up on Down’s Syndrome people because they dared to question of your supposedly “subjective” moral positions?
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:55pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Bo hoo.”
        
        Yeah, who cares what disabled or Down’s Syndrome people think. Abortion must never ever be questioned! It’s an objective moral issue! Oh, no wait, those don’t exist. Ummmm….. ok, got it now. It’s a subjective moral position that must never be questioned!
        
        Never mind mikey, you’ll figure it out one day.
        
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        September 7, 2017 7:00pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Glad you are almost (but not quite getting it). Yes, decisions on abortion are selective moral judgements. Which is why it is best left to individual women to decide about their health needs.
        
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        September 7, 2017 7:09pm
    - GoVege
      
      It does sound a lot like they would extend the limit past 20 weeks.
      I think the issue needs to be: how bad should a “disability” be before the time limit for termination is extended?
      It seems cruel to force a woman to bear a severely disabled child who will need care 24/7 for their entire lives.
      On the other hand, a lot of disabilities are NOT severe, and most people with down syndrome (and their families) have a good quality of life.
      In fact many who know them would say they enjoy life a lot more than so-called “normal” people.
      Unfortunately for some reason, our health authorities don’t think so and have singled these sweet little angels out for prenatal testing, as if they are some scourge that needs to be eliminated from the planet.
      Poor things are only 1 in 800 for heaven’s sake!
      They should stop pressuring pregnant women to be tested for downs and let them make up their minds themselves.
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:31pm
      - mikenmild
        
        And the form that this ‘pressure’ takes? Offering a test?
        Why should it be up to anyone but the woman herself to decide when to terminate a pregnancy?
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:43pm
      - GoVege
        
        The “form” the pressure takes is all the literature women have thrust at them while they are pregnant, Milky, which imply that having a downs child is the worst disaster that can befall a family, when in reality it is most definitely NOT!
        The hospital doesn’t give you brochures about your 1 in 100 chance of having a child who will develop schizophrenia. …they can’t test for that one!
        There are probably hundreds of conditions they could warn mums about.
        I read once that having boys shortens a woman’s life by one year per male child.
        Must ask the CEO to test for that one!
        I agree it’s a woman’s own choice.
        But that choice needs to be informed…not biased against special people.
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Feel free to point out what is ‘pressure’ and what is information in this link:
        https://www.nsu.govt.nz/pregnancy-newborn-screening/antenatal-screening-down-syndrome-and-other-conditions
        
        If your results show an increased chance discuss what your choices might be with your doctor or midwife. They will be able to give you some information as well as helping you to find other organisations and people who can help. Sometimes talking to organisations which deal with helping families to manage children with condtions like Down syndrome can help with your decision making. Your doctor or midwife will offer to refer you to a specialist obstetrician to further discuss your options for diagnostic testing.
        Only you can decide if diagnostic testing is the right choice for you. Some women choose to stop at this point regardless of an increased risk result while others want to have diagnostic testing so that they can find out for sure whether their baby has one of the conditions being screened for.
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:31pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s just PC b/s Milky.
        Otherwise how come 95% of women who get a positive result decide to terminate?
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:28pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Ook, I don’t know – could it be because they don’t want a handicapped child?
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        We all end up “handicapped” eventually Milky, whether we “want” it or not.
        Have you organized someone to pull the plug on you if you get hit by a bus or just get old?
        Or are they gonna stash you in a rest-home to get rid of you?
        
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        September 7, 2017 10:16pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not allowed freedom of speech, there will be more of that, there will be no criticism allowed. Will the land under the Gulag be taxable as multiple use land?
      Gulags being to good for the homeless by behaviour of course.
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:56pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Not allowed to impersonate other people for the purpose of lying about them? Oh noes, it’s just like the Nazis!
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:01pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      All we are asking for here is a simple confirmation from Jacinda Arden that her policy will not be changing the current 20-week limit for disability-selective abortions.
      
      Er, why? Is he thinking of getting one? Surely the “he” part would rule that out?
      
      Also – what fucking policy? Being a lobby group of irrationalists doesn’t entitle you to just make shit up.
      
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      September 7, 2017 4:00pm
      - mikenmild
        
        But it’s for the Downs Syndrome kids – some of their parents would feel better about themselves if they could force other mothers to carry babies to term.
        
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        September 7, 2017 4:25pm
      - GoVege
        
        I have to agree with you there, Milk.
        I used to encounter a bit of a self-righteous attitude among some parents of DS kids to those who didn’t keep theirs.
        BUT…having a late termination of a downs baby is not easy.
        A friend of mine had one and died a few years after.
        Another woman I know went for an amniocentesis and lost a perfectly healthy baby, again at a late stage.
        Any one contemplating terminating a pregnancy of a downs baby should remember this, IMO:
        This child will be different from any of the DS kids out there.
        This will be your own baby with much in common with your other kids.
        You will probably develop a very strong bond with them, and so will your other children.
        After the initial shock, you will probably never regret having them.
        …Except when they nag the cr*p out of you on occasion! 🙂
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:41pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Being a lobby group of irrationalists doesn’t entitle you to just make shit up.”
        
        Yes, caring about the well being of Down’s Syndrome people is sooooo irrational. Silly people.
        
        But I agree. Liberals and pro-death advocates should stop making shit up.
        
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        September 7, 2017 7:03pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Downies can be the sweetest, most gentle people in the world as long as they get their meds. There would no problems with those who birth a downie if the parents took full responsibility and care of them. Problem is they end up a cradle to grave liability on the taxpayer. The people who do best out of this is the ones who end caring for them in community homes. They tell them how to vote (yes they entitled to vote) as well as plant ideas of extravagant holidays in their heads. Because they need a carer to take them naturally.
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        Excuse me but DS individuals are only 1 in 800 people….probably fewer these days.
        They are not exactly bankrupting the country.
        Nobody asks to have a disabled child.
        And I can guarantee you that no DS person will ever knock over your house or business or beat you up on the street.
        Plenty of real “idiots” are being paid to produce umpteen kids who WILL be a danger to the public and cost you far more than any downs person in MSD and corrections etc costs.
        
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        September 7, 2017 9:48pm
stigie

Why is the Herald putting out crap like this….
How touchy feely (with fingers down my throat) Is this really big news..?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11918310
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September 7, 2017 1:51pm
- waikatogirl
  
  If this doesn’t say a lot:
  
  At the Grey Power meeting she recalled her first debate as a candidate, at an event organised by Federated Farmers in Matamata.
  
  “I took my mum and my grandma along with me as moral support. And after one of the questions from the floor I gave a very earnest answer, only to hear this boo overtake the entire room.
  
  “And it wasn’t long before I realised, I’m pretty sure my grandma joined in.”
  
  Not having any doubt in your message even when your grandma can’t support you in public… The self-belief is strong in Cindy.
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:04pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Like Muldoon arguing politics with his staunch Labour grandmother…
    
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    September 7, 2017 2:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      I thought Muldoon’s MUM was a member of the Labour Party, Milky.
      She didn’t want to draw attention to it, apparently, so she let her membership lapse.
      Typical 2 Bob capitalists….take all the benefits of Labour then turncoat to the Tories!
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, it was Muldoon’s (maternal) grand mother. The Labour MP for Mt Albert, Warren Freer mis-reported it as Muldoon’s mother to journalist Spiro Zavos, who reproduced it in his 1977 biography of Muldoon.
        
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        September 7, 2017 3:09pm
Jack5

Where your tax money goes …

The Southland Times reports a small video company has a contract with to make 30 New Zealand programmes for Maori TV and another 20 for the Te Reo channel. The programmes are to be broadcast weekly from April next year.

The subject: The very Polynesian sport of motorbike speedway riding!
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September 7, 2017 2:48pm
- mikenmild
  
  I want them to bring back the episodes of Mr Ed dubbed into te reo. Very enjoyable!
  
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  September 7, 2017 2:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    The horse is talking in Maori?
    
    I suppose you can dub anything into another language.
    
    Perhaps a horse talking Maori may help someone learn some Maori words, but speedway riding – what has that to do with Te Reo or Maori culture?
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not just the horse – all the characters. It’s really bizarrely funny.
      I guess the point is that the use of te reo does not necessarily need to be confined to taha Maori. Did you see the article about the people ordering McDs in te reo?
      
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      September 7, 2017 3:10pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I parked outside Lower Hutt Macca’s around midday while waiting for the wife to go to the quack. I reckon that more than half the customers were murri. They should all do their menus in Te Reo. 🙂
        
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        September 7, 2017 6:42pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Enjoyable Mike? it was fucking hilarious. Te reo with English subtitles
    
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    September 7, 2017 5:27pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Now if they made that compulsory viewing in schools, we’d be a happier nation.
      
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      September 7, 2017 6:47pm
JasonJohns

Liberals are resorting to satanism and the occult to try to stop Trump. Google Sally Quinn hex!
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September 7, 2017 2:53pm
mikenmild

You’ll like this one, Jack. Today is the 75th anniversary of the battle of Milne Bay, the first serious land defeat for Japan the Second World War. Not greatly noted at the time, or remembered since, but it stymied the Japanese advance towards Port Moresby and left them no offensive alternative but to keep trying to push along the Kokoda Track.
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September 7, 2017 2:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Thanks for that Mikenmild. I’ve just looked up the Battle of Milne Bay. Very interesting.
  
  It seems it was Aussie veterans brought back from the Middle East who clinched the battle. Australia did the right thing in bringing them home.
  
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  September 7, 2017 3:12pm
  - mikenmild
    
    And we did the right thing in leaving ours there.
    
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    September 7, 2017 3:18pm
Rachael Membery

Not allowed freedom of speech, there will be more of that, there will be no criticism allowed. Will the land under the Gulag be taxable as multiple use land?
Gulags being to good for the homeless by behaviour of course.
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September 7, 2017 4:00pm
- mikenmild
  
  Hey, it’s only the young offenders who are going to be rounded up and sent to the Gulags, sorry, ‘boot camps’.
  
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  September 7, 2017 4:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

Hello peasants. I finally got back from the interior to Fairbanks and managed to download my voting forms. So many choices – confusing.
No it’s fucking not! Two ticks BLUE, photograph it and upload it.
Don’t work too hard whilst we are on the train to Anchorage drinking piss. Stay the night then on to Seward.
God I feel bad for you taxpayers – not. I am 65 very very soon
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September 7, 2017 4:09pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh, Slippery Cindy will have the retirement age up to 72 before the end of the year, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
  Enjoy your holiday ?
  
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  September 7, 2017 6:59pm
cha

An apoplectic Freedom Caucus, a kneecapped McConnell and Ryan and it’s all Chuck and Nancy and Donald.

Republicans left the Oval Office Wednesday stunned. Trump had quickly sided with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase, even overruling his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to concur with “Chuck and Nancy,” as he later called them on Air Force One.

But Trump defied more than his top aides. He turned on Republican leaders in Congress when he caved to Democrats’ demands to raise the debt limit and fund the government for three months, setting up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff. The move shocked everyone, as top White House officials and GOP leaders had been gearing up to raise the debt ceiling through the 2018 midterm election, looking to pass legislation as soon as Friday.

But even after Mnuchin, Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushed back on the Democratic demands in the meeting, Trump agreed to the three-month deal that will also head off the possibility of a government shutdown until mid-December.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/schumer-and-pelosi-offer-support-for-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-boost-242376
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September 7, 2017 4:12pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s almost as though the president doesn’t know which party he’s from, or what the fuck he is doing.
  Probably time to go golfing for a few weeks…
  
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  September 7, 2017 4:29pm
  - cha
    
    Probably not in Florida, though.
    
    http://mashable.com/2017/09/06/map-trump-properties-hurricane-irma/#b8OJx.3G_5qq
    
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at1.shtml?cone
    
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    September 7, 2017 4:42pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      LOL
      This is the latest euro model run .
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc102916628195ae7686dff33a4475ada2b5d4ec0e27a476a388e253ad674639.gif?w=800&h=539
      Irma hits mar a lago dead center.
      The next cyclone Jose does a loopdeloop behind Irma then barrels into mar a lago.
      
      God hates Trump…
      
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      September 7, 2017 7:21pm
  - Ross12
    
    C’mon MM that was a great bit of politics. He just kicked the RINOs in the nuts, which should have been months ago.
    What he agreed with them on is not a great deal in the grand scheme of things, so nothing lost.
    
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    September 7, 2017 7:51pm
- virtualmark
  
  Donald Trump to Hannity “I am a great negotiator”
  
  Donald Trump to the Republicans “I alone can fix it”
  
  Me to Trumptards “You’ve been conned”
  
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  September 7, 2017 4:31pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is it time yet for a competition to pick the last Kiwiblogger who will remain a Trump supporter?
  
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  September 7, 2017 5:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Pick me.
    You girls miss the point.
    If he caved into the GOP for a long term for funding the Govt he loses a pressure point on them.
    Short term suits him better. He also gets the money for Texas.
    This way he keeps leverage to get his other agenda achieved.
    In other news Obamacare is really collapsing now.
    With Dem Senator Menendez looking like he’s going to jail. Chris Christie will be picking a new Senator before Christmas.
    That gives the GOP the numbers in the senate without needing McCain.
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:07pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oops
      ‘Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., later came out in support of the president’s decision, leaving Ryan to stand alone in opposition among GOP leaders. ‘
      Still, Ryan and Trump are having dinner tomorrow night.
      
      Just in, Democrat Senator goes with Trump on Air Force One to help him sell his Tax plan in her Electorate.
      Guess we’ll see a bit of this. Trump won States in which TEN Dem Senators are up for reelection next year.
      
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      September 7, 2017 6:38pm
Fletch

“We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle” – Winston S Churchill
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September 7, 2017 5:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  So true.
  
  However Labour aren’t planning to tax us to prosperity.
  
  They’re planning to tax us into servitude.
  
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  September 7, 2017 5:28pm
realityczech

The whole tissue of lies is falling apart.

Science news:

Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records

WASHINGTON – U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology members today responded to reports about the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) 2015 climate change study (“the Karl study”). According to Dr. John Bates, the recently retired principal scientist at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center, the Karl study was used “to discredit the notion of a global warming hiatus and rush to time the publication of the paper to influence national and international deliberations on climate policy.”

Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas): “I thank Dr. John Bates for courageously stepping forward to tell the truth about NOAA’s senior officials playing fast and loose with the data in order to meet a politically predetermined conclusion. In the summer of 2015, whistleblowers alerted the Committee that the Karl study was rushed to publication before underlying data issues were resolved to help influence public debate about the so-called Clean Power Plan and upcoming Paris climate conference.

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records
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September 7, 2017 5:24pm
skyblue

Doper on ZB says Labour are still ahead in tonight’s CB poll.
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September 7, 2017 5:28pm
Kabull

Sydney Morning Herald has an article headlined: “Australia no longer a top choice for expats down under”, reporting the outcome of an international survey. It includes such gems as “In 12 months, Australia has plunged from a top-10 finish to about the middle of a 65-nation ranking of the most desirable place for expats” and “The dive from seventh place to 34th was the biggest fall by any country. It actually puts us closer to least desirable than most desirable. Miserable New Zealand, with its funny accents and proximity to Antarctica, was as good as steady in sixth place from fifth last year.”

One of the comments on the article is interesting:

“5 year expat here, so here it is from the horse’s mouth:
The Good: Beautiful beaches, wine country, heritage architecture, good mass transit in Melbourne, interesting places to go within Australia, proximity to Bali and NZ, pretty safe in the big cities relative to other places in the world. Nice parks.

The Bad: expensive – housing, food, fuel, restaurants, education, cars, hotels. Tax rate too high for the benefit. But here’s the real kicker – the government keeps changing the rules for us, and we hate instability as it makes it impossible to plan for our futures. When I got here, the rule was 4 years to PR, one year to citizenship. Now that’s up in the air. Local rates for Uni for PR’s was guaranteed. Now that’s up for a vote (thanks Malcolm) FIRB limits on buying a second home, or renting one out. Vic adding an extra 7% to stamp duty. And your ridiculous auctions to buy a house.

Honestly – if I knew then what I know now, I would not have come. Moving the goalposts and sticking it to expats to make up for poor fiscal management by government is not prudent policy. I have paid into 7 figures in income tax here, so no layabout looking for a handout. Aus is blowing it, and I am letting anyone I know considering coming here what they will be up against. If the end goal is to limit migration, then mission accomplished.”

Key takeaways from the comment – Aust’s tax rates too high; housing & food expensive; unstable rules making it impossible to plan; stamp duty, … Sounds like the environment we may be about to head into?

Read the article here: http://www.smh.com.au/business/australia-no-longer-a-top-choice-for-expats-down-under-20170907-gycipo.html
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September 7, 2017 5:30pm
VicParking

Women on average earn 19% less than men.
A friends workplace did some calculations on this and their calculation was 8.5%.
However when they calculated it based on experiance, qualifications and longevity it was actually 0.5% in favour of females.
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September 7, 2017 5:49pm
EAD_TWO

This is hilarious and with a name like that, I can almost guarantee this will go viral:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/m-ori-party-candidate-wetex-kang-accused-of-offering-cash-credits.html

So close to the all time classic memeWe Wuz Kangz and displaying the same kind of entitled gibsmedat mentality and delusions of grandeur.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-wuz-kings
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September 7, 2017 6:20pm
RF

Watching the stuff debate. Loaded audience and the cheeky bitch is scalding Bill.
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September 7, 2017 6:32pm
- Gabby
  
  Did she put the kettle on rf rf?
  
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  September 7, 2017 6:37pm
  - RF
    
    No son…. relying on you to get breakfast in bed for mother.
    
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    September 7, 2017 7:01pm
    - Gabby
      
      Bbbut my fingers hurt sooo much..
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:40pm
- mikenmild
  
  Keeping Stock, we have another abusive customer for you to chide!
  
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  September 7, 2017 6:50pm
  - RF
    
    Jesus H Christ. I shut my bloody eyes and I swear I heard Helen Clark talking.
    
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    September 7, 2017 6:57pm
    - Gabby
      
      Down boy.
      rf
      rf.
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:39pm
fluffykiwi

I am starting to think that Steven Joyce has put the nail in the coffin for National this time. the number claimed was way too large.
Ordinary man can’t comprehend it and don’t want to believe it.
Bill having trouble defending it. Should be able to in simple terms.
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September 7, 2017 6:34pm
- Inandout
  
  The average voter can’t comprehend deficits.
  
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  September 7, 2017 6:36pm
JibberJabber

Scum media,
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/national-billboard-removed-from-city-mission.html,

Too fucking thick to notice the “homeless” have disappeared also.
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September 7, 2017 6:53pm
- Gabby
  
  Prolly not the best targetting ever. Who d’you reckon thought that location would hit the spot.
  
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  September 7, 2017 8:38pm
krazykiwi

Notice Jacinda’s volume is 2x Bill’s.

Microphone problem? Nope. Deliberate.

It makes all her interjection’s completely drown Bill out.

Media scum to the max.
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September 7, 2017 7:03pm
- RF
  
  Agree. Her voice is booming through drowning Bill out.
  
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  September 7, 2017 7:24pm
RF

Someone please either chop her finger off or at least break them.

Reminds me of a spinster school teacher who used to point at me and scald.
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September 7, 2017 7:12pm
nasska

We’re heading for a country led by emotion.

The armed forces will be rendered useless by concern, benefits will be granted through understanding, housing will be supplied according to sentiment.

We will conduct Foreign Affairs with passion, accept refugees with empathy, stuff farming with malice, empty gaols through solicitude & apply taxes with a vengeance.

We will be a very sensitive nation.

And bankrupt!
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September 7, 2017 7:22pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  We already are a country led by emotion.
  
  Key appointed Devoy whose job was to show New Zealand that we were all a bunch of haters.
  
  Key wanted to be everyones “mate” rather than a Statesman.
  
  “They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind”
  
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  September 7, 2017 7:50pm
- realityczech
  
  We are a fully feminsed society and that is why. Women consider feelings more important than facts and reality.
  
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  September 7, 2017 7:54pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s why women (and gays who are testosterone deficient) were the ones in Europe holding placards saying “refugees welcome” despite all us Far-Right Racist Nazi Bigot Male Extremists knowing full well what was going to happen next and that they’d be first in the firing line.
    
    Funny how the “Far-Right Racist Nazi Bigot Male Extremists” keep being proved right all the time as we watch our society swirl down the pan.
    
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    September 7, 2017 8:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    oh what am I to do?
    I like facts and reality (& always have).
    
    Perhaps (shock, horror) I am not a woman…..
    
    Do you think it is too late for me to transition to a male?
    
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    September 7, 2017 8:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      Its was a generalisation Wiggles. Not all women are as lovely as you are dear.
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But my feelings get hurt when you tell fibs about us lovely ladies.
        
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        September 7, 2017 8:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        Have a wee cry in your safe space with Gayford then 😉
        
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        September 7, 2017 8:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have a wee cry with Gayford then
        
        Oh, yes please.
        https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1238816124/007/2315007.jpg
        
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        September 7, 2017 8:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        I need to bleach my eyes now Maggy !
        
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        September 7, 2017 9:28pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t change Maggy…..we love you as you are.
      
      Warts & all. Honest! 🙂
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:11pm
Ross12

I just had phone call that made my week.
A guy rings up and asks if I read the Dom Post and where do I get it from to read.
I said ” No, I don’t read it any more. I read it daily for 30 years but not in the last 7-8 years –it’s rubbish”
” oh , ah , um -thank you ” Phone call cut off
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September 7, 2017 7:56pm
nasska

One sperm has 37.5MB of DNA information in it.
That means a normal ejaculation represents a data transfer of 1403808.59 GB in about 3 seconds.

And you thought ultra fast fibre broadband delivered the goods…..
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September 7, 2017 9:00pm
- stigie
  
  Haha, Taxcinda is delivering the goods faster than that Nasska and us poor sods can’t even keep up..?
  
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  September 7, 2017 9:21pm
RF

And it gets worse…….

Mike Hosking is sick so Jacinda’s brother Corin Dann is taking over the debate tomorrow.

Bill should not bother turning up.
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September 7, 2017 9:20pm
Jack5

Diversity dividends …

Britain’s MultiKulturizm will be hard pressed to survive the appalling gang rapes of white children in Britain, such as the latest case.

This involves 100 young white girls preyed on by 40 men, including “Pakistani, Indian, Iranian, Iraqi, Bangladeshi and Turkish nationals”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4858980/Four-men-Asian-sex-gang-jailed-nearly-50-years.html
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September 7, 2017 10:02pm
Jack5

Talking of MultiKulturizm ….

Immigration Department bureaucrats have been down in Southland preparing the locals for the arrival of refugees from Colombia.

Waste of money. The easiest and most interesting way for Southlanders to bone up on Colombia is to go to Youtube and watch this good documentary about Pablo Escobar, the drug lord, who was well on his way to taking the country over when he was shot:

https://youtu.be/VgTHQNoGmW8

There are between three million and five million internally displaced refugees in Colombia, so get ready for a few more, Southlanders.

After that, there are going to be available refugees from Venezuela and, of course, the Muslim lands of the Middle East, and the Muslims being hounded out of Burma/Myanmar.

The Immigration Department will tell you how many you are going to look after.
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September 7, 2017 10:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Talking about Escobar … wild hippos are one of his legacies in Colombia.
  
  Some Colombians think they are a threat to Colombian indigenous wildlife, and they are looking at ways to control them.
  
  The big suggestion seems to be castrating them!
  
  Anyone in NZ think they’re tough enough to try castrating a hippo?
  
  https://youtu.be/GJ4IO_IydEI
  
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  September 7, 2017 10:24pm
Manolo

The crook’s malign influence:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349548-clintons-score-settling-frustrates-democrats
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September 8, 2017 5:37am
Tauhei Notts

Al Jazeera at 3,30 p.m. today, Friday.
Please watch it. Your comments thereon will be eagerly awaited.
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September 8, 2017 6:51am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Whats being covered Tahuei?
  
  I like Al Jazeera as a source of news – it just tells the news as it is without some sort of Cultural Marxist angle placed on it.
  
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  September 8, 2017 7:08am
Steve (North Shore)

Currently on the train South to Answer Denali
Put my vote in last night in Fairbanks. Two ticks blue
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September 8, 2017 7:02am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Currently on the train South to Denali
  Put my vote in last night in Fairbanks. Two ticks blue
  
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  September 8, 2017 7:03am
Michael

Put my vote in last night in Fairbanks. Two ticks blue.
Might be the only two ticks blue gets.
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