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nasska

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Our site, pornhub.com, will be down for maintenance on Saturday Sept 23rd. We’ve chosen this date in order to cause minimum inconvenience as most of you wankers will be out voting for NZ First anyway.
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September 6, 2017 8:00am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Unlikely, most NZF voters don’t know how the internet works.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:13am
  - stigie
    
    Mad Dad does..?
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:27am
    - mikenmild
      
      Careful stigie. Full moon tonight. Dad and the rest of the Hagley Park crowd are likely to be supersensitive.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:33am
- VicParking
  
  I wondered how they got their Bottom lines.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:36am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  nasska – channelling The Standard
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:07pm
krazykiwi

Forced union membership = increased donations to Labour party

#jacinda #myvision
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September 6, 2017 8:01am
- Maxx
  
  Well all know her values and she’s being very transparent. Now of I can just clarify this…
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:15am
  - Nosmo King
    
    So transparent that we can see through her lies. Perfect.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:15am
  - oldpark
    
    She was not called “vacuum” for nothing when she was in University.
    
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    September 6, 2017 2:21pm
    - RF
      
      Oldpark.
      
      Tell us more.
      
      Vacuum meaning empty or what a vacuum cleaner does ?
      
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      September 6, 2017 2:29pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I think it would be better to confine discussion or criticism of Ardern to what is currently in her head and what is coming out of her mouth rather than irrelevancies of what may or may not have been in her mouth and stomach 15 years ago.
      
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      September 6, 2017 4:41pm
    - sam green
      
      You’re now just being repulsive. In order to belittle Ardern, you’re making up stories about her sexual behaviour whilst at university.
      
      So equally, one could tell stories such as English being referred to by the first fifteen as “cum sack” when he was at school. Referring of course to the “fact” that they raped his pale arse.
      
      So are you going to stop this shit or is it ok when the right do it?
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:50pm
      - RF
        
        I am shocked. Was my little phoney / poney a naughty girl at Uni.
        
        And her lording such high standards…. shock horror.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:13pm
- tf78
  
  Comrades, I have a mission for anyone who wants to accept it : Go over to Whale Oil and take a look at yesterday’s post at 5:30pm “What I learned about Jacinda Ardern Last Night”, go into the comments and about 23 comments down Cameron has put up the Jacinda’s 2009 International Socialist Youth meeting which has been removed from YOUTube. If you know how to pass it on please do. It shows what a great orator she is but also that in eight years has learnt nothing.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s still on youtube: Jacinda Addresses Her Comrades
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:58am
    - tf78
      
      Thanks for that, it’s so much simpler.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:10am
    - Liberty
      
      Looks like the defence department will be gone by lunchtime under socialist Cindy.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:37am
      - RF
        
        Clark disbanded our airforce so Cindy will turn our army into the unemployed.
        
        Helen will be proud of her pupil.
        
        We will be a lame duck country waiting for the socialists to come in.
        
        Be very afraid……
        
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        September 6, 2017 2:34pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I’ll see your 15 comrades and raise you two neo-liberal agendas and a solidarity. I bet that room smelt really bad.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:44am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Thanks Comrade KK
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:59am
    - RF
      
      My little commie. I guess you know who has socialist leanings as she has syncophant followers.
      
      Reds under the bed. We do not want these tossers in NZ.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:17pm
krazykiwi

More unions. More strikes.

#jacinda #myvision
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September 6, 2017 8:01am
- KevOB
  
  Vision will get you selected but not elected.
  
  Contributed by my wife.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:18am
duggledog

I have been talking to my Chinese friend.

He says the reasons China does not want a united Korea are manifold.

They don’t want to have the American military on their border.

They don’t want an influx of refugees, especially massively brainwashed ones who have had the last fifty years of progress pass them by.

They don’t want their hard-won middle class disrupted.

But as NK’s only ally, China also doesn’t want the world to see the extent of the misery they have stood by and allowed to happen.

The pictures will be much worse than the stories. High def and all that.

‘North Korean children die with grass in their mouths’
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September 6, 2017 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  Funny how both main parties here are happy to have very close relations with the monstrous regime supporting the genocide.
  We welcome the Red Chinese navy but not the Americans.
  Shocking hypocrisy .
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:27am
  - Gabby
    
    The yankers are welcome to sell us cheap widescreen tvs and dodgy steel.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:04am
  - ztev
    
    The US navy has been here recently. I suppose the chinese just said they werent carrying nukes.
    In practice it was the US navy refusing to come rather than us keeping them away for the last 15 years
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:30am
    - Jack5
      
      Ztev, leftist scum of Auckland harassed US Navy ships when they visited Auckland.
      
      Many of the protesters were the same Reds who have grown old carrying placards in the streets since at least the 1960s.
      
      The world’s stupidest Leftists: Too Left for the Soviet Union, so they supported China; then too leftist for China so they supported fucking Albania all places. They were Stalinist fossils drifting in their allegiance as their Utopias disappeared in succession.
      
      In my view the Aucklanders who gave a hard time to visiting ships of the US Navy, which saved NZ in World War 2, are damn near traitors.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:19pm
- Digmen1
  
  So they need to up the pressure on fat boy to negotiate. And Russia also
  But he wont
  And the USA wont agree to stop their excercices.
  So the only alternative to war is full sanctions and a strictly enforced blockade.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:28am
  - Andrei
    
    And how exactly can the USA enforce a blockade when both Russia and China have land borders with North Korea with road and rail links and who are also opposed to a blockade?
    
    Here’s the thing old friend, when you watch the News while they show Nikki Haley foaming at the mouth and perhaps other Ambassadors like the British and French they never tell you what the Russian and Chinese Ambassadors have had to say or their suggestions for finding a resolution
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:38am
    - oldpark
      
      They just stop imports of Russia and Chinese goods into the USA. That would start a trade war.At least there would in the end be a positive result.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:46am
      - Gabby
        
        They won’t do that, they’ll bully their allies into doing it.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:06am
      - SGA
        
        They just stop imports of Russia and Chinese goods into the USA. That would start a trade war.At least there would in the end be a positive result.
        
        Wouldn’t that be the economic equivalent of a nuclear war where everybody would be a loser? Happy to be corrected, but I’m not sure that’s a realistic suggestion.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:36am
    - 4077th
      
      Russian and Chinese opinions on the matter are merely lip service given they are the ones contributing to the most to the regimes nuclear ambitions. The rest of the world knows this and can only sit and watch as Putin and Xi utter empty words to shield themselves from condemnation. What is surprising is that Iran is barely mentioned when there are obvious signs it is partly their clandestine development project. I suppose Iran thinks it’s off the hook since Obumma decided to bring them in from the cold based on more lies an empty promises of no further missile and nuke development.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:04am
      - Andrei
        
        Idiot – the last thing Russia and China need on their borders is a nuclear confrontation
        
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        September 6, 2017 12:01pm
      - Paulus
        
        The Rockets that North Korea uses are actually renamed from Russia where they are made.
        Russia has been supplying North Korea with arms for many years.
        Putin will continue to do so as he enjoys stuffing the USA at every turn.
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:53pm
    - Digmen1
      
      I know what the Russians and Chinese say.
      They dont think sanctions will work and that they may have a bad effect on the NK people – starvation etc. And cause unstability on their borders.
      
      What they both want is to negotiate but Kim Jung UN does not talk.
      
      They also suggest that the USA and SK stop their annual excercies in return for NK stopping missiles and nuclear testing.
      
      Yeah right.
      
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      September 7, 2017 10:04am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Labour haven’t budgeted for that so it will not happen.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:27am
    - ztev
      
      neither has national, the navy ships we have arent allowed to go to sea as often, even less than in Labours time.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:32am
- dime
  
  yep to all that.
  
  they also dont want a united korea – a powerful country.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  North Korea in graphics
  
  http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/08/north-korea-explained-graphics-170810121538674.html
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:48am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A united Korea would take at least 2 generations to accomplish.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:13am
  - SGA
    
    So… ? Sorry, I’m not sure I follow your point.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:37am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      SGA,
      You would have to wait two generations (i.e., 25 x 2 years) so that any young workers in North Korea today are too old to have any direct influence.
      Do you follow me?
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:26am
      - SGA
        
        I figured that was what you meant in general terms, I wasn’t sure why it was important? This is an important consideration in the current climate because … (not being picky, I’m having trouble joining your dots)
        (As an aside – while there are differences between the West-East Germany and North-South Korea situations, I imagine that a couple of decades of improved quality of life can make old memories fade faster)
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:47am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      the nutritional and educational deprivation will have heavily depressed IQ’s in North as well.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:24am
- realityczech
  
  When the full story of North Korea comes out the world will be appalled. It is not going to be pretty.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:24pm
Left Right and Centre

Only one hand can wave . . .
Because the other is picking your pocket.
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September 6, 2017 8:03am
- VicParking
  
  Correction:
  One hand can point
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:41am
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Steven down in the hole and not many standing around the edges at the top this morning peering in.
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September 6, 2017 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  Yes the Labour figures add up and balance.
  To do this they needed to:
  Borrow $7 billion
  Put no money aside for the unexpected
  No new spending other than that they have already announced.
  Nothing for public service wages increases (living wage which they said they would bring in)
  No additional money for “only bidders for govetnment contracts who are Unionised”
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:15am
  - Maxx
    
    It’s OK. They’ve explained to the bank mannager while applying for the loan that they’ll work hard next year and get a pay rise.
    
    Oh, and and we’re also going to look at our expenses and cut some back, like on groceries.
    
    Look, I’m being transparent and you know my values. Let me clarify.
    
    Opps, I used too many “we” instead of “I”
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:19am
    - RalphT
      
      Sorry for the downtick Maxx; big finger met small phone.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:38am
    - RF
      
      But wait… there is more.
      
      Grant is budgeting on winning lotto.
      
      There… problem solved…..
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:40am
      - VicParking
        
        Lotto: $20m wont evan pay for their tax working groups trough.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:44am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Yes the lotto of finding our wallets before we do…
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:55am
  - waikatogirl
    
    What happens to NZ’ers with Liarbors ‘tight’ budget if there is another big earthquake? Wellington is well overdue for a quake as is the Southern Alps – that one is likely to lurch the earth 8m when the earth moves.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:40am
    - Maxx
      
      Simple. Print more money.
      
      You people know nothing about finance do you? /s
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:16am
    - ztev
      
      Most of the repairs are paid by insurance, just like Christchurch.
      The EQC cover only goes to $100k, which may have seemed a lot back in the mid 80s, but might pay for a room or two now. And of course the commercila side is all insurance.
      probably the government buying up half the cbd like they did in christchurch to rescue the land owners there is out of the question in Wellington
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:36am
      - trout
        
        Total BS. The NZ taxpayer (and CH.CH ratepayer) has poured billions into Christchurch to rebuild infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc. way beyond insurance payouts. But, hey, ztev never let facts get in the way of blind prejudice.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:45am
      - ztev
        
        Dont let the bullshit catch you on the butt on the way out
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/234689/huge-insurance-payout-for-schools
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:54am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Why is your first instinct to lie or smear ztev?
        
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        September 6, 2017 12:01pm
      - trout
        
        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2014/speech/06.htm
        Anticipated Govt. contribution a mere 15.4 billion.
        I am reluctant to respond to ztev; the drivel and bile; but washing hands afterwards helps.
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:46pm
      - Paulus
        
        Bullsit ztev
        Southern Response which was set up to take over the liabilities of the incompetent AMI Mutual (Owned by the Policyholders who are the Shareholders) is paying for old AMI claims with money which the tax payer provides (even to uninsured property).
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:56pm
      - RF
        
        Cut Mrs Ztev some slack guys…..
        
        She has had a busy day in the research library and has to head home to prepare the evening meal for family.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Soon it might be hard for NZ to get international insurance to cover earthquakes.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/95119148/german-reinsurer-munich-re-warns-quake-insurance-could-be-hard-to-find
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:28pm
  - marcw
    
    Hasn’t Robertson continually criticised National for suspending payments to the NZ Super Fund? So where has he allowed for payments to resume, or is this just more hypocrisy?
    
    I think I know the answer to my question.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:44am
  - rangitoto
    
    Don’t forget inflation and interest rates will skyrocket.
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:17am
- Gabby
  
  It’s a very Jawsie shaped hole. It was ‘pretty truthful’.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:41am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    You referring to Jawcinda?
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:12am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      LetsPooThis
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:20pm
mandk

I see from the Government Electronic Tendering Service (GETS) that MBIE is requesting proposals for the Cross-Government Intercultural Competence Capability Development Programme.

I can’t offer a chocolate fish, but I will tip my hat to whoever gives the best description of what the C-GICCDP might be about.
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September 6, 2017 8:04am
- srylands
  
  Are you going to bid for the contract?
  
  It seems to be a programme designed to improve and enhance the core intercultural and sensitivity competencies of public sector participants with secondary objectives of enhanced intercultural communication and interactions in State sector workplaces and improving service delivery and interactions between the State sector and a wide diversity of community members.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:16am
  - mandk
    
    I’m not going to bid, but you clearly ought to give it a shot.
    
    I would recommend that you should partner with mikenmild, but he probably wrote the RfP.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:20am
    - srylands
      
      No thanks.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:22am
      - srylands
        
        The person who write the RFP down ticked me.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:35am
    - ztev
      
      You do realise this has been your government for the last 9 years and your PM that has been funding these sorts of nonsense
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:38am
      - mandk
        
        If it has been going for the last nine years it must, by definition, have been a Labour invention.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thank you Sir Humphrey
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:25am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Please stop my head hurts.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A meeting with all our new bros and sisters round a flagon and a plate of savs.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:22am
- Gabby
  
  MBIE want to run the teaching of Murray. By 2050 everyone will be fluent in Portuguese.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  Pronouncing chinese sounding name correctly.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:46am
- KevOB
  
  Puketifinau.
  Could it have some thing to do with a future annoyed Labour Government trying to develop a SJW team to take out the Aussies?
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:21pm
pdm

`Forced union membership = increased donations to Labour party’

Equates to more strikes = reduced productivity = higher inflation = higher interest rates = higher taxes.

Thanks Taxcinda.
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September 6, 2017 8:05am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Amazing how people that belong to unions do not mind the extra ‘tax’ on their wages already being their sub.
  They should want to have it for themselves.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:45am
holysheet

The fable of Bottomwinewinnie.

Once not so long ago, in the land of the Kiwi, there lived a drunken dwarf by the name of Bottomwinewinnie. He had all the charm of a snake oil seller. All gloss and no substance. His Brylcreem and Grecian2000 bill was just about as high as his whisky bill. Over the years the drunken dwarf had made so many demands, calling them his bottom lines.

It came to pass, that Kiwiland was in the amidst of an election. The political climate was to say the least, a little bit confused. The Greens had been decimated by the fraudulent liar that was their co-leader. Meanwhile, Bottomwinewinie was hoping for a shotgun marriage between the Liabores and Bottomwinewinnie Firsts.

On the campaign trail one day Bottomwinewinnie decided to go out to the local Marae to gather support from the local Maori. They were all assembled in the whare nui to hear the speech. Bottomwinewinnie had worked up to his finale, and the crowd was getting more and more excited. “I promise better education opportunities for all Maori!” The crowd went wild, shouting “Tiko! Tiko!” Bottomwinewinnie was a bit puzzled by this, but was encouraged by their enthusiasm. “I promise better roads in Northland” “Tiko! Tiko!” cried the crowd, stomping their feet. “I promise more social reforms and job opportunities for Maori!” The crowd reached a frenzied pitch shouting “Tiko! Tiko! Tiko!” After the speech, Bottomwinewinnie was out touring the farm, and saw a large herd of cattle. Since he was raised on a farm, and knew a bit about cattle, he asked the Kaumatua if he could get closer to take a look at the cattle. “Sure,” the Kaumatua said, “but be careful not to step in the Tiko.”
Now it just so happens that the Liarbores had just elected a new leader, Taxcinderrella. Her mantra was tax everything. This publicity for Taxcindarella upset Bottomwinewinnie. He hated being out of the limelight. Look at me, he seemed to suggest at very opportunity. To counter Taxcinderellars publicity, Bottomwinewinnie phoned up his friendly news reporter and told him all about his dodgy superannuation entitlements. Leak this to your colleagues and blame the National Party. This way we will kill two Keas with one stone. As it turned out the good folk of Kiwiland saw all through this sham and at the next poll Bottomwinewinnie and his band of motley followers had dropped in the polls. Bugger, said Bottomwinewinnie. No matter what I do, no matter what I say, nobody is listening anymore.

To help get over this latest calamity, Bottomwinewinnie stumbles into the Green Parrot and orders a shot of whisky then looks into his pocket. He does this over and over again. Finally, the bartender asks why he orders a shot of whisky and immediately looks into his pocket. Bottomwinewinnie. responds, “I have a picture of the missus in there and when she starts to look good, I’ll go home.”
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September 6, 2017 8:10am
- VicParking
  
  Ahh now I know why I heard a maori mate calling her “Tiko Adern”
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:49am
  - sam green
    
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    Stop telling lies.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:53am
Paulus

I am assuming that the figures Labour are trying to say that they are right and two Ministers of Finance, along with some economist more clever than the University ones Labour relies on, assuming that their University Tax expert candidate Debs Russell are wrong or misguided as to the answer you are required to find.
In the old days my clients, when I was programming for them, would give me an indication of what they expected to see as a conclusion, and it was my job to design the details so that they can arrive at the probable conclusion.

Does this bear any relationship to when Michael Cullen told Treasury in a PREFU to ignore $2 billion dollars of unfunded ACC accounts.
Called Creative Accounting – if you do not like it leave it out.
I would rather trust real Ministers of Finance than Grant Robertson and Ganesh Nana – he was given the figures so how can he disagree and he is being paid for his advice and presumably being told what answers to expect.
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September 6, 2017 8:14am
- oldpark
  
  Interesting that the faintly lefty Patrick Smellie a Newstalk ZB news correspondent ,interviewed last night on Larry Williams show. Patrick said he had spent the whole day checking Robertsons denials,on Lie-bour financial budget. He also did the same with Stephen Joyce’s of Lie-bour not knowning how to manage a financial budget.
  After much claims and counter claims by Robertson and Joyce,Patrick established that Stephen Joyce was half right. There was not a Twelve Billion Dollar cockup by Lie-bour it in fact was Five to Six Billion Dollars.
  We should be afraid ,very afraid,if the makeshift Robertson gets to handle NZs finances. Robertson only got the job ,because the wee kneecapper bully David Parker who threatened the farmers on the water tax,refused to do the job.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:41am
- VicParking
  
  You notice that all these economic experts are saying the fiqures add up not that they are are good or valid policy.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:50am
  - Gabby
    
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    Does your accountant critique your choice of pantihose vicbarking?
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:10am
    - Maxx
      
      I don’t know which accountant you use, but if you’re doing something stupid I would expect them to call you out on it.
      
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      September 6, 2017 12:38pm
    - VicParking
      
      No but he would tell me if I thought buying a bridge in Nigeria was a good Idea, or it I did not budget for the living wage The Labour government is going to force me to give my employees next year, or if I needed to put aside cash money to bribe the union rep so my staff will not strike.
      
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      September 6, 2017 1:37pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Yes – just like the GW scientists.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:44am
cmm

Kiwi actress visits Africa

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503078&gal_cid=1503078&gallery_id=181246

Flies out to Africa business class with a cool hat for a week and comes back an expert on Africa.

Why do people listen to celebrities?
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September 6, 2017 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  What about the Greenpeace guest who thinks universities should have a degree in skateboarding. Just think of the years of heavy studying.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:18am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Femenist skateboarding in a post Climate Change world.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:36am
- Kimbo
  
  Sounds like Whale Oil and his visit to Israel! 😉
  
  And Marama Davidson for that matter too!
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:01am
Inandout

One of the economists is a Labour Party contractor, and another was once a reporter. Garner was a bit naughty introducing Joyce as getting an ‘E’ in economics at uni. Alf’s wife has absolutely no experience in economics.
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September 6, 2017 8:14am
- doggone7
  
  “One of the economists is a Labour Party contractor, and another was once a reporter.”
  
  Two down, another couple of dozen to go.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:17am
  - rangitoto
    
    A actual bank economist reckons it’s most likely 7 bill as Joyce was taking the worst case scenario.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:24am
    - Inandout
      
      Oh that’s OK then, only 7 bill. Still means Labour will have zilch extra to spend on anything, and God help us if there is another natural disaster like Christchurch.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:44am
Herodotus

As someone who shows an interest in history, here is a fine summary as to why both Vietnam was lost & North Korea is the issue it is today. All thanks to Prof Sam Kinison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj5k6toS7i8
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September 6, 2017 8:18am
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Wonder if there is a Paradigm Shift by the over 60s against Peters Party and Grey Power. The paragon of see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, Peters swept into one of his tradional support bases ,in the far North. When he got to the hall ,which his over 60s supporters used to fill. All he found was 31 people. Maybe the word is out.That Peters Party supported by Grey Power,is going to side with Lie-bour/Green mafias,if they get the balance of power.
Two cases in Point. Peters said nothing about the $26 bi-monthly promised by Bill English and the National Party the old age pensioners and superannuands would not get if Lie-bour/Green mafias got into power. Also not a word about the inheritance (Dead Granny Tax).Grey Power have yet to say anything on both subjects.In fact the sound of silence by Peters and Grey Power is deafening.their message to the over 60s seems to be “you are on your own” ,”dont depend on us.”for direction.
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September 6, 2017 8:18am
- Prince
  
  Grey Power sold their soul to Labour 6 years ago.
  Most Grey Power offices (whatever they need those for) are shared with Labour.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:26am
  - sam green
    
    Really? You have no idea.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:56am
- Digmen1
  
  I heard the guy from Grey Power on the radio the other day and he sounded like a left wing idiot and very pompous.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:31am
- ex-golfer
  
  Most GreyPower members (and their membership is dropping) are over-entitled prats who want the State to compensate for their failure to put away for their retirement.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  The only time I see Grey Power is when they are looking at me from between Winstons Bottom line.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:56am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Winnies original Grey Power supporters are dying, think back to when it first started 20 years or so, they would all be well into their 80s by now. the new pensioners , speaking for myself, have far more sense.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:57am
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    Mind you Grey Power electricity is cheap.
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:38pm
kowtow

The hypocrisy of the political class.

Germany is going through the motions of a GE that will result in another grand coalition.

Merkel’s talking tough over the Turks , but the political class let millions in as “guest” workers , to keep wages low and on the notion they’d be sent home when the work was done , but instead the political class made them citizens , which was a double betrayal of the native German.

‘Merkel has the gall of ‘accusing car company bosses of “unforgivable mistakes”.

Merkel made the unforgivable crime of opening the borders. Good trick though , pointing the finger at a scape goat during an election, a fake election at that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/05/merkel-uses-last-parliamentary-speech-elections-call-tough-eu/
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September 6, 2017 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Merkel, was, is, and always will be an East German dedicated to the destruction of Western Europe.
  
  She has absolute revulsion for the German flag, but would no doubt happily wave the old GDR flag.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:42am
cmm

Ohes noes! Our Universities are terrible and getting worse!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11917408

Except these rankings are based on bullshit SJW measures like male/female ratios, number of basket weaving courses, number of countries the students come from etc.

There are also obviously other measurements in there too: number of research papers published etc, but a lot of those are more a result of the size of the university and the population that support it rather than a true apples-to-apples comparison of the university courses themselves.
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September 6, 2017 8:28am
- Lance
  
  No sorry…
  The funding is dropping per student and cuts have to be made and so our Universities are publishing less research papers. It’s that simple.
  The only issue is do we want higher ranked universities and pay more or do we say it’s all fine the way it is.
  You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:32am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Purge the Feminists/Sexual Degenerates from the Liberal Arts to save money and boost student and lecturer quality:
    
    Fresh hard-hitting research from the rigorous field of queer theory –
    
    “In this piece, we combine autoethnographic and poetic methods/genres to examine intimate and social experiences we have had as two transmasculine queers with complex sexual and gender histories in an intergenerational relationship.”
    
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10894160.2017.1339179?journalCode=wjls20
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:43am
- Digmen1
  
  I’d be all for more funding for our universities if they stopped pushing politcally correct and socialist ideas on our students.
  Just teach them the facts.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:37am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Hey bro, stop being a fucking bigot, you are on the WRONG SIDE of history, shitlord!:
    
    Like totally legit methodology –
    
    “Using this qualitative method and retrieving data from my personal journals, daily workout journals, experiences as a lesbian-identified participant in yoga classes, and yoga instructor, I turn the research lens on myself in order to examine my sociological life story. ”
    
    http://iaytjournals.org/doi/abs/10.17761/IJYT2017_Research_Myers_Epub?code=iayt-site
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:46am
    - KevOB
      
      Useless pedagogical hilliarian construct.
      
      How can we bring sense and learning back into what was once education?
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:29pm
  - Gabby
    
    Did you major in Facts dicman.
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:53am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Facts, logic and science are tools of Patriarchy used by cis male racist misogynists to oppress and erase non binary gender #Woke fat chicks!
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:09am
  - Lance
    
    That happens in Engineering, Architecture (a creative arts subject BTW), Maths, Computer Science, Chemistry, Biology, Accounting etc
    
    Only some studies are political
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  Overall, NZ universities have been dropping since these ranking tables were first published, in the 1980’s if I recall.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:40am
  - Paulus
    
    In reality the rest of the world has evolved into believing that education was vital to their futures, and it is now embraced as part of their culture – hence their increase as a consequence our decrease in placings on the scale – not necessarily we are worse but the opposition have got better.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:43am
- Gabby
  
  They must have neglected to facilitate the ranking company sufficiently this year cmmiebokkie.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:55am
- VicParking
  
  The rankings should go up with a jump when they find out about the skateboarding courses
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:57am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Skateboarding? Boring! So last decade.
    
    Perverted fat chicks can write a “research” paper about marrying themselves, at truly Progressive tertiary institutions:
    
    “Written from the perspective of a white-settler, obese, bisexual, middle class cisfemale graduate student in Canada, the wedding ritual and bride are explored as sites of ideal female/feminine formation of the subject. Compulsory heterosexuality is implicated…
    
    …This research uses an autoethnographic methodological frame augmented by feminist poststructural epistemology to open up, trouble, disrupt and interrupt the figuring of the bride in hopes of (re)signification and new practices of the female and feminine self for the writer.”
    
    http://ourspace.uregina.ca/handle/10294/7681
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:45am
- itstricky
  
  Except these rankings are based on bullshit SJW measures like male/female ratios, number of basket weaving courses, number of countries the students come from etc.
  
  Except that Oxford, Cambridge, Standford, Harvard and all the usual suspects are still the top 10.
  
  And the cited reason, in the article, for UOA dropping is lack of submitted papers.
  
  This describes the methodology
  
  https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/methodology-world-university-rankings-2016-2017
  
  Please stop spurting bullshit, or provide evidence to back up your waning.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:45am
  - mikenmild
    
    cmm has a problem with reality-based comments.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:48am
- rangitoto
  
  I notice Harvard has gone adrogynous. Male/Female ratio = n/a
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:30am
Digmen1

I think there is going to be a Colmar Brunton poll out tonight on TV1.

I hope it shows the Jacinda effect has peaked.
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September 6, 2017 8:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s tomorrow night, but I hope you’re right about the Jacinda skyrocket.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:53am
- oldpark
  
  Think the poll in on Thursday this week?
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:53am
- mikenmild
  
  I hope I’ll win Lotto tonight.
  What else to you hope for?
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:47am
  - Brigitte
    
    I always hope to win lotto. Never do though. If this run of bad luck continues I might just have to bite the bullet and buy a ticket.
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:23pm
krazykiwi

Tony Blair : “Every every day brings fresh evidence #Brexit is doing damage”

Manufacturing hits 22-year high. “Britain’s manufacturers are enjoying buoyant conditions on the back of export markets going from strength to strength,” announced the Engineering Employers Federation (EEF) in a press release, following a “major survey” of some 416 manufacturing firms.
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September 6, 2017 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  “The main aim of allowing in millions of people was to make the country ‘see the benefit of a multicultural society’. The Blair government did not see its job as being to ‘control immigration’. The policy is revealed today in a Daily Mail serialisation of an authoritative biography of the former prime minister by Tom Bower, an internationally-acclaimed investigative journalist.
  Over coming days, we will also reveal:
  A devastating dossier on how Mr Blair deceived his Cabinet, Parliament and the country into war in Iraq;”
  
  Blair should be on trial as a traitor to Britain and a war criminal.
  
  How much blood has this vile man got on his hands?
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:54am
fluffykiwi

A thought on NZs waterways and cleaning them up.
Yes Jacinda, you visited Meola creek earlier this year, acknowledged that things need to happen to clean up this creek. (It is the most disgusting creek you can imagine right in the heart of her electorate).
So a start might be to tax Aucklanders to clean up their waterways, those places full of Macdonald’s packets plastic bottles, dirty nappies any other imaginable thing.
Start in your own backyard before moving elsewhere. Clean up your own place, the place that was the Minister Helen Clarks and was filthy then.
While we are about it what about the creek/stream that runs through the Auckland Zoo, the one that hippos and other animals are allowed to play in.
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September 6, 2017 8:38am
- VicParking
  
  Do we have Hippos any more?
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:59am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    You might be right on the hippos given they euthanized one last year.
    See we can do it to animals, but not humans when they are in misery.
    Would you swim in a stream or creek in your electorate Jacinda.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:07am
    - Kabull
      
      Not to forget the mess the ducks and swans create …
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:24am
      - Paulus
        
        Canada Geese are the worse as they go on land at night and defecate everywhere which gets into the waterways as soon as it rains (and rains and rains).
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:46am
    - KevOB
      
      Coming to a pensioner near you.
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:32pm
- trout
  
  Happened to be over at Meola road yesterday. You will be pleased to hear that the Meola Creek was running clear and clean without litter. The Oreti river that the left are badmouthing is also clear and clean for most of its length – one of the great brown trout fisheries.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:53am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Any recommendations for fishing down near Wellington way? Something with relatively easy access (Due to carrying injuries) that has trout that can be eaten?
    I love my fishing, but not managing to get out, also have no idea on which flies to use locally… still a novice at this. 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:03am
    - Colville
      
      http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi
      
      the answer will be here.
      
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      September 6, 2017 1:03pm
- rangitoto
  
  I think the hippo died.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:36am
- KevinH
  
  Meola Road was a dump for generations but was closed in the eighties and the area rehabilitated. There will be leaching from the site for many years to come.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:48pm
Simon

Party vote Labo

It is far better they get on now with the moron greens at 6 % and Winston greed Peters on the back foot. The economy is so so

They will piss in next time in 3 yrs there will be hell to pay with the tard greens at 10%

Now if National in opposition they will quiet strong and keep mong Labo in check to a point.
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September 6, 2017 8:40am
- Happychappy
  
  Party Vote Labour and get a Land tax and many others to go on the hard work kiwis have done to have a safe warm family home to leave to their children when they die. Now Labour believe these people should pay again for other people’s families that’s parents could not give their children the same.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:53am
- oldpark
  
  Thanks for the advice “Simple” Simon.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:04am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Simple Simon met a pieman going to the fair.
  Said Simple Simon to the pieman, “what do you have there?”
  Says the pieman to Simple Simon, ” Pies, cnut.”
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:03pm
holysheet

One day, while being driven around South Auckland, Jacinda notices a young girl with a trolly full of kittens. On the lookout for a good PR event, she stops to talk to the girl.
As Jacinda admires the kittens, the girl proudly boasts, “All my
kittens are Liabore supporters!”
Jacinda thinks this is just the thing to show those nasty Nats
that even little children know the best pardy. She makes plans with the little girl to meet in a couple days with Kelvin Davis and the leftie press.
When they meet, Kelvin kneels down in front of the girl and picks up a kitten and say, “Jacinda says you have something special to tell me about your kittens”.
“Yes. All my kittens are National supporters!”
Jacinda splutters “You told me they were all Liabore supporters!”.
The girl responds, “Yes miz, but that was before they opened
their eyes.”
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September 6, 2017 8:43am
- VicParking
  
  From the mouth of babes..
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:01am
kevn

Has anyone noticed the Land Tax spectre strongly hinted at by labour? (Radio NZ interview with Guyon Espiner) Panel of experts etc etc. Homeowners and other landowners pay rates/tax now.
labour is a hungry mouth to feed. Tax it…
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September 6, 2017 8:43am
Captain Mainwaring

Got rung by the UMR pollsters last night. What fun that was.
Liarbore must be worried, because one of the key questions was: “Has your opinion of Jacinda changed over the last 3 weeks?”
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September 6, 2017 8:44am
- Happychappy
  
  Their seems to be a lot more older aged woman now coming out and saying that they have been turned off with all the hype being directed at Jacinda so seventeen days is a long tme in politics they UMR have reason to be worried.
  Two Ticks Blue
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:07am
  - Gabby
    
    TuLixPu
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:14am
    - Happychappy
      
      Gobby did you get off on that post and shit yourself instead.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:00am
      - Gabby
        
        Jeez chappy, I didn’t even give you a hard time about your crappy grammar and you’ve still got the shits up you. Double milo for you tonight with your Coro.
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:43pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      be nice happy, he’s feeling quite down, he didn’t even use an exclamation mark!
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:05am
    - rangitoto
      
      SheTaxU
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:40am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        LetsPooThis
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:23pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 6, 2017 5:35pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:40pm
- Gabby
  
  DON’T TELL THEM, PIKE.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:44pm
ex-golfer

Re the Steven “hold my calculator” Joyce hit:
This is the clearest signal yet that NZ workers and home-owners/land-owners/business-owners/farmers/dead people/Grannys will be facing new and increased taxation under a Labour government.

Labour have nothing left in the kitty for any additional spending in the 2018/19/20 budget periods. They have essentially spent it all in one foul swoop on their 2017 bribes.

So if the country was to face economic uncertainty, another major disaster, significant increased demand for public spending or other unexpected expediture there would be nothing left to pay for it.

The obvious result – increased taxes, or borrow.

The transparency is now clear – vote Labour, get new/increased taxes.
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September 6, 2017 8:46am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I wish someone in MSM explained it that clearly
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:53am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Strangely enough Barely Sobers girl-child wife Heather du Plessis-Allan pointed it out in a discussion panel on Newstalk ZB last night.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Above the media’s level of intelligence, and it does not support our new Princess.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:50am
  - KevinH
    
    Ok, vote Labour and you will pay more tax. Simple enough for you Padriv.
    
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    September 6, 2017 12:51pm
- Gabby
  
  one FELL swoop. Fucksake.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:59am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Gabby, I gave you the downtick because you are not worthy of anything else other than an ignore, but you are actually correct.
    Saying that, many on here hate a self righteous poo licking pratt that tries to correct others terms and spelling.
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:19am
    - Gabby
      
      He fukkadiduppa didn’t he.
      But I’m sure they don’t really hate you.
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:38pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    You’re right, but in this context ‘one foul swoop’ is almost felicitous.
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:03pm
- Gabby
  
  Jawsie’s not borrowing a cent.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:14am
- rangitoto
  
  It’s “Fell Swoop”.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:40am
  - mikenmild
    
    Careful, Dafixeruppa might call you ‘a self righteous poo licking pratt (sic) that (sic) tries to correct others (sic) terms and spelling’
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:50am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Well mm, since my response was directed at gabby, then rangitoto is quite safe.
      Can you tell me though, which of your personalities is posting today and will it change later?
      
      Edit: To be honest, I joined KB because I was frustrated with spelling and grammar and because I enjoyed the comments. I had actually intended to write erudite and thought out pieces, but then I realised that actually reading the comments is still somewhat amusing, but the effort required to post value is significantly undermined by the attacks by certain on here on the poster rather than the post… in the end I gave in and went with the mantra of “if you can’t beat them, join them”…
      
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      September 6, 2017 12:24pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So, if Gabby corrects a misused idiom he’s ‘a self righteous poo licking pratt (sic) that (sic) tries to correct others (sic) terms and spelling’, but if Rangitoto does the same thing he’s not?
        As for my personalities today, I suppose it depends on which colour pill I take. And the moon phase.
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:05pm
  - BrasellBrush
    
    Or is it “fowl swoop”
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:45pm
    - Paulus
      
      NO Fell swoop.
      
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      September 6, 2017 2:03pm
      - Brigitte
        
        Perhaps it’s one full scoop [of chips].
        
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        September 6, 2017 2:16pm
fluffykiwi

Ex Prime Minister Helen Clark getting heavily involved in the election, tweeting like crazy about labour party policies, it seems.
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September 6, 2017 8:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  Helen is the puppetmaster. She is behind the months of planning to have Andy step aside while Jacinda rallies the crowd.
  
  Anyone who votes for Jacinda, rather than Labour will be disappointed. She’s not cut out to lead, and Helen knows it.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Along with her mate Grant Robertson – great timing when the Unions could not object.
    They will not like being scorned.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:51am
- kevn
  
  They are chucking everything at this election for sure. Will say and do anything (except clarity on proposed TAXes). Calling in Hellen, her fingerprints are all over whatever J Ardern does and says or not says.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The evil bitch will never give up until Jacinderella appoints her as President.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:11am
  - mikenmild
    
    Keeping Stock – you have a customer!
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:44am
  - RalphT
    
    …for life.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:56am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Had to chuckle during the debate, where Jawcinda said that she would give Helen Klark a knighthood –
    Not realising that Helen was the one who got rid of knighthoods.
    It would be hilarious if this came to pass – surely Helen would refuse a knighthood.
    
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    September 6, 2017 12:10pm
    - KevinH
      
      Helen is actually a recipient of the highest honour in New Zealand already and that is the Order of New Zealand.
      Jacinda should have known that.
      
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      September 6, 2017 12:59pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s why I laughed. Helpful to have Don to come along to confirm his ignorance though.
        The ONZ is a good one, why settle for a knight(dame)hood Helen (or Richie), when one can be much more modest and accept the top gong instead?
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:08pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Imagine if the Nats rolled out Key, English would be mortified, nor is it necessary.
  That’s the thing with puppets, they can’t speak for themselves.
  That question re how one views Jacinda is hard, if you didn’t rate her in the first instance, your opinion wouldn’t have changed.
  Such slanted questions.
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  September 6, 2017 9:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I rated her lower now than I did 3 weeks ago because she’s spent the last 3 weeks proving how shallow and vacuous she is whereas 3 weeks ago I gave her the benefit of the doubt.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:39am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Agreed. Vacuious, valueless, virtueless and certainly not visionary, despite what she might claim.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:56am
      - Happychappy
        
        Rich Prick : The best example of the Labour wonder woman I have seen its just a pity the media’s want to have a change of Government has blurred this fact.
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:06am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        What about the response to the question about “what experience do you offer?”
        
        Answer: Intergenerational change
        
        Huh?
        
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        September 6, 2017 4:30pm
    - KevOB
      
      My wife’s done the same. The vacuity shines through the gloss.
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:38pm
- oldpark
  
  Yes not good enough for UN leadership. Here now to finish the job of opening NZs doors to at least 5,000 Syrian muslim refugees,should Lie-bour /Green mafias plan to brainwash NZs into voting for them.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Helen has been promise, I suspect, the New Zealand Ambassador to the UN.
    That will give her back a huge income in New York and send a message to the UN of UP YOU!
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:54am
    - sooty
      
      Now 5hat John Key left the building, she may not get that job.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Bill should still give it to her, at least it gets her away from here.
        
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        September 6, 2017 12:29pm
      - KevOB
        
        Make Helen Clark NZ’s ambassador to Kiribati and build new High Commission offices and accommodation on one of the lesser populated outlying islands.
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:40pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Or Nuie. Jacinda’s father could bend Helen’s ear about the way his daughter threw him under the bus over Earl Hagaman
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:43pm
holysheet

Did you hear about Kentucky Fried Chicken’s Jacinda Combo meal?
Two small breasts, two small thighs, and two left wings
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September 6, 2017 8:52am
- Gabby
  
  Sounds like a wholly shit snack, you want Browneye steak with that.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:02am
- m@tt
  
  Sounds like they are on to a winner.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  And 10c extra for the box it came in as its a capital gain.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:04am
- mikenmild
  
  That’s hilarious. Do you think up infantile taunts all by yourself?
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:45am
- itstricky
  
  KEEPING STOCK!
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    He’ll be right on it. Just a bit busy right now re-watching his DVD of Chester Borrows’s valedictory speech. And you know how teary that gets him.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:49am
    - itstricky
      
      Oh, yes, he may need to take a day off to recover. I’ll forgive him if he doesn’t pick these ones up today; there’s always tomorrow.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:25am
- Ultima
  
  And fries with extra visioning.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:53am
- Rachael Membery
  
  She’s famous.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:02pm
Cunningham

Hilary Barry almost frothing at the mouth over Joyce this morning on Breakfast. Joyce has fucked up in the way he attacked Labour over this but where’s the grilling of Robertson? He has questions that need answering as well. I think in a few years time if Labour are in government we will look back at this and realise Joyce was at least partially correct.
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September 6, 2017 9:07am
- Gabby
  
  Like what cunners? Grant why didn’t you clear your figures with jawsie?
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  $5,6 or 11 billion short, what’s the problem when you’re talking billions eh Robbo. ?
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:19am
- Rachael Membery
  
  My money is on Joyce, he would have been a fool not to have double if not triple checked the figures before committing to a figure.
  He had to know that they were going to go full retard.
  As for the emotive word ATTACK ffs, is Labour not to be criticised? Rhetorical.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:20am
  - m@tt
    
    He is a fool. If you look around outside of kiwiblog you’ll see that all of the media are reporting this a cock up by Joyce. And they are essentially right.
    
    The ‘hole’ is a about 6 bill. It’s there IF they implement all their policies. Which they won’t. And if they don’t add more tax. Which they will. But explaining that is a losing battle.
    
    Most of NZ are just reading about how Joyce fucked up.
    He could have avoided this by taking a lesson from Labour and their HFee crap 9 years ago. Gotcha politics rarely works.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:42am
    - kowtow
      
      m@tt
      
      If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s not to follow what the majority in the media are pushing.
      
      There’s a reason why the anti Muslim migration crowd in Germany won’t talk to churnalists and call them the Lying Press.
      
      More Syrians anyone? You know they’re good for you.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:05am
  - Cunningham
    
    He has a point but he has completely lost this argument and it could cause significant damage to National and possibly his future prospects as a leader. The media aren’t interested in his explanations at all now which is a shame because he makes some valid points. I though Barry was going to have a heart attack!
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:54am
    - Prince
      
      No one relies on the media for facts anymore.
      We have all heard Joyce’s explanation – we all get it.
      It makes sense to me – otherwise, show me where the 2018/19 operational spend has gone.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:17am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Joyce has practical experience along with English of operating the countries books, Labour doesn’t, if either side is lacking, I don’t think it is Joyce, and as for the media, they have no credibility or experience in Government at all.
        Perhaps we should get to vote on our TV presenters, Duncan Garner has far too high an opinion of himself.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:09am
- oldpark
  
  Yes she is just a grubby little cue reader ,who wants to be noticed . She has been,it shows just another Lie-bour/Green sycophant that runs TVNZ.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Wants a job along with the rest of her kind as Press Officer nto Cinderella.
    She will have bitch fight on her hands.
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:56am
- rangitoto
  
  He didn’t fuck up at all.. Where are the state sector pay rises, living wage. Labour and their shills are dissembling.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:46am
  - MCos
    
    Of course he fucked up. He didn’t line up some independent experts to back him up before going public.
    Consequently it had that off the cuff look about it.
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:58pm
UpandComer

It’s not hard to understand. They committed all their forward operating allowance into the current budget. Outside education and health there is nothing left for defence, justice, DOC, environment, police, departments, kiwi rail, emergencies etc. Either they are going to be running austerity ‘zero’ budgets (impossible), or they have to borrow and tax to fund government. I think in 08 they increased operating allowance by $7billion in a single year.

Joyce is right. The fuckwits have to borrow or tax another 11billion. The economists are just watching out for their jobs. Grant either has to ‘find efficiencies’ or grow the economy over 5% when he’s guaranteed to stall it with his Venezuelan workplace relations policy.
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September 6, 2017 9:17am
fluffykiwi

Pay equity. Jacinda is paid the same as a male politician in the same job.
Therefore Jacinda, get rid of your minders, stop allowing your adoring public to treat you as less by complaining people are being mean to you asking hard questions.
Dare I say it Man up Jacinda. If the kitchen is too hot, get out of the kitchen. Or in her case get back to the fish and chip shop.
Lets face it we don’t seem to respect her by calling her the Leader of the Opposition, she is just “Jacinda” and we are all a little unsure of what she is.
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September 6, 2017 9:18am
Huevon

Those teeth…my God.
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September 6, 2017 9:25am
- holysheet
  
  That’s why all her minders wear sunnies. The constant glare from all that enamel can be blinding.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Are you worried about this?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:14am
- Gabby
  
  Longing for the good old days of chewing solid food hoover on?
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:40pm
Rich Prick

I’m as confused as ever with Labour’s tax “policy”. Parking up capital gains tax for a minute, Cindy says:

As I’ve said, the family home is- land tax obviously, as you know, applies to land, not homes though.

And:

I have ruled out affecting the family home, yes.

A house is one thing, land is another. So, is the land tax on the land the family home sits on? I’m buggered if I can tell. We really need to know who the working group of “experts” will be, because it seems it is they who are who we’re electing this September. Cindy just doesn’t have half a clue, and we may as well ask the cat.
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September 6, 2017 9:34am
- kevn
  
  RP. She knows the answer but ain’t saying…
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:39am
- ex-golfer
  
  Simple – no CGT on any gain in the capital value of the family home.
  However there will be a tax on the capital increase in the value of the land that the house sits on.
  They can do that because rates evaluations are seperated by land and house.
  So it is disengeneous to say no CGT on the family home as you can’t have a home floating in thin air (yes, even apartment dwellers will be hit).
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:19am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Extremely disingenuous. According to my last rates bill, 80% of my family home’s value is the land it sits on.
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    The Land Tax will be on the “Unrealised” Capital Gain of the value of the land.
    An hypothetical % tax on the value raised every year.
    Like Rates but in addition.
    
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    September 6, 2017 2:08pm
ztev

Abortion law changes back on the agenda

A recent paternity case in Auckland , “the court heard” how a travelling salesman tried to arrange an abortion for his girlfriend by supplying drugs through Pfizer who was his employer. This was 47 years ago when Abortion was definitely illegal ( current law passed in 1977)

Was there a connection between the travelling salesman 47 years ago and a later well known anti -abortion politician. ?
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September 6, 2017 9:40am
- mikenmild
  
  Surely no New Zealand politician could be that much of a lying hypocrite.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:47am
  - cha
    
    Archie and Kitty, apples and trees…
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:54am
    - mikenmild
      
      Forgot about that. I didn’t know that abortionist was an inherited characteristic.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:58am
      - GoVege
        
        That and sanctimonious hypocrite. ..
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:45am
- Prince
  
  Could there be a connection between a scumbag commenter on Kiwiblog and a scumbag aging Labour polictician and netball commentator ?
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:12am
  - ztev
    
    None what so evah!
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:59am
Manolo

Read and weep:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4852548/Edinburgh-Uni-law-student-21-probed-hate-crime.html

A law student is under investigation by his university after allegedly mocking ISIS on social media and ‘putting minority students at risk and in a state of panic’.

The 21-year-old third-year student wrote a Facebook post after the US Air Force bombed an ISIS stronghold in Afghanistan in April. However his comments sparked a complaint from fellow student Esme Allman, who accused him of ‘blatant Islamaphobia’.
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September 6, 2017 9:41am
- mandk
  
  How many universities are infected with this sort of brain rot?
  
  Take a look at this one:
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/09/05/oxford-student-union-offers-emotional-support-affected-vice/
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:01am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    They all are, and the toxic sludge has seeped deep into the roots of Western Civilisation.
    
    Some maori down the line is claiming a historical statue is racist and needs to be dealt to.
    
    As I predicted Its already spread from USA to NZ in no time at all, thanks to copy catty behaviour via Twitter and Facebook.
    
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    September 6, 2017 10:15am
- Gabby
  
  There’s bound to be a counter complaint about Esme enabling a terrorist organisation, which the university is sure to treat with the utmost seriousness.
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:37pm
Nookin

Taxaderny: the process of being eviscerated then stuffed.
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September 6, 2017 9:57am
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda Taxadernus. Sounds like a fossil you might hear about on one of Sir David Attenborough’s programmes.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:52am
sooty

Angry Andy must be pissed, look at the reception that Taxinda is getting, compared to his poor effort.
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September 6, 2017 9:58am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes sooty and all that is different is Jacinda most of the rest is the union paid for policy.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:12am
- Paulus
  
  He only has to wait until the day after the election when the Union Constitutional rules come back in.
  Previously it was Helen Clark/ Grant Robertson who took advantage of a loop in the Rules to get rid of Angry.
  
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  September 6, 2017 2:11pm
cmm

Can someone with big crayons please draw me a picture explaining this:

Why does Stuff, a part of privately owned Fairfax, run articles and embedded content from tax-payer funded Radio New Zealand (now edgily rebranded as RNZ)?

Are they paying for this or is it just that they share common interests so feel they can do this?
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September 6, 2017 10:00am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Why does the Progressive propaganda operation RNZ still exist?
  
  Nats had 9 years to crush it, they opted for slow starvation torture with budget freeze, which has a certain appeal, but has failed to achieve the desired outcome.
  
  Should have killed RNZ instantly with Capitalism by privitisation. It’s the only way to be sure.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:21am
- ztev
  
  Yes they pay for it.
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:09pm
Poppa

The way I see it there are two major issues for this election which we all should be very afraid of
1. How many taxes Labour would implement & how much will they cost & who will be paying

2. Compulsory unionism

The MSM are not saying anything about the return to unionism which as all of us who have seen it in action will know how crippling it will be to business & the country in general

Be afraid, very afraid & vote to stop this nonsense before it can be imposed on us
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September 6, 2017 10:03am
Michael

Joyce got it wrong, but he won’t admit it.
On Monday Joyce called a press conference to fact shame Labour over it’s shoddy accounting. But now the experts verdicts are in, claiming it is Joyce that has got egg on his face.
Those experts include Vernon Small , Patrick Smellie, ANZ chief economist Cameron Bagrie , economist Shamubeel Eaqub, NZ Initiatives Sam Warburton , Newsroom’s Bernard Hickey, NZ Herald columnist Brian Fallow and Berl’s Ganesh Nana , to name a few.
No doubt there will be some Kiwibloggers who will try to denigrate some or all of those named above on the basis that they know more than the experts do.
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September 6, 2017 10:15am
- KevinH
  
  There is no question that the list of economists you have provided are all experts and leading commentators in their field Michael.
  The question I would pose for them to consider is have they all factored in all costs for the duration of the electoral cycle, i.e. the following three years.
  Are Labour’s policies affordable, and are they sustainable over that term.
  Finally is there provision or contingency for unexpected events? i.e. a global downturn as a result of war.
  
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  September 6, 2017 1:18pm
  - Gabby
    
    Or indeed The Second Coming. Bingles will have allowed for that naturally.
    
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    September 6, 2017 5:27pm
calendar girl

Apparently Ms Ardern has announced this morning, in Hamilton, that she will ban ‘letting fees’ on rental houses and flats. My initial thoughts:

1. How many other regular, legitimate businesses stand to be attacked / abolished in this manner? What about Trade Me charges, commissions on auction sales (properties, farmstock, car auctions, etc) and Lotto agency sales?

2. Rentals for properties must rise to meet this interference in a normal market. Owners, of course, will seek to recover what they are charged by agents. In my case, I would seek to recover that charge, in the weekly rental, over the first quarter (12-13 weeks of rental payments). How many landlords might then be expected to reduce the weekly rental? Not many, I’ll bet.
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September 6, 2017 10:20am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And unemployed property managers. I do think that Property Managers should have to abide by professional standards and competencies.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:23am
  - calendar girl
    
    “…… Property Managers should have to abide by professional standards and competencies.”
    
    Most of them probably do. What specific concerns are you alluding to?
    
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    September 6, 2017 3:27pm
Michael

The IRD has the power to disclose Peters’ superannuation info, but will they use that power?
In 2011 the IRD rewrote it’s secrecy rules to give itself the power to publicly respond to attacks by taxpayers that threatened “the integrity of the system”.
If the allegations by Peters that IRD are responsible either for the mistake in his superannuation payment or the leaking of that overpayment are false , then they appear to fall squarely within IRD’s policy. And then it would be empowered to publicly release whatever info it believes necessary to clear its name, even at the cost of Peters’ privacy.
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September 6, 2017 10:25am
- MCos
  
  Mr Peters can say what he likes about who he had the interview with and generally try to muddy the water, but it’s him what signs the application.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:18pm
- KevOB
  
  The IRD has the power to disclose Peters’ superannuation info, but will they use that power?
  
  Privacy is ingrained in IRD. This is a personal matter and there it stays.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:49pm
Andrei

“It is difficult to talk to people who confuse Austria and Australia. But there is nothing we can do about this; this is the level of political culture among part of the American establishment. As for the American people, America is truly a great nation if the Americans can put up with so many politically uncivilised people.”

– Vladimir Putin
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September 6, 2017 10:46am
- mikenmild
  
  Do you think you could get me a poster of Vlad posing shirtless with that inspirational message printed on it?
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:54am
dime

apparently someone took the piss out of joyce for failing some economics classes… so i thought i better read up on the man who may replace him.

from wiki:

“Robertson was born in Palmerston North, the youngest of three boys. His Presbyterian family also lived in Hastings before settling in South Dunedin. His father was an accountant, and his mother initially stayed at home, later becoming a teacher.

In 1991, his father was imprisoned after stealing around $120,000 from the law firm where he worked.[4]

His grandfather Bob Wilkie ran unsuccessfully for Labour in the Wairarapa electorate in 1954 and 1957.[4]
Robertson attended King’s High School in Dunedin, where he was head boy.[4] He later studied political studies at the University of Otago, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts with honours in 1995.[5] His honours dissertation studied the restructuring of the New Zealand University Students’ Association in the 1980s.[6] Robertson served as President of the Otago University Students’ Association in 1993 and as Co-President of the New Zealand University Students’ Association in 1996.[4][7]”

1) lol @ another leftie who decided to help himself to someone elses money

2) what in the fuck are labour thinking?? a fucking BA in studying student unions. sweet mother of god.

that is actually worse than cullens phd on studying the economies of villages in 1250ad or whatever the fuck it was.
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September 6, 2017 10:46am
- Poppa
  
  For Labour that is quite an achievement
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:54am
- mikenmild
  
  As mentioned the other day, the last finance ministers with relevant qualifications were Rob Muldoon and Roger Douglas.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:56am
  - dime
    
    thats all well and good milky, but GR is the least qualified of those since.
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      Really?
      Steven Joyce – BSc
      Bill English – BA (Hons)
      Michael Cullen – PhD
      Bill Birch – no degree (surveying certificate?)
      Ruth Richardson – LLB
      David Caygill – (unknown)
      Roger Douglas – BCom
      
      Seems to me any degree is okay, or not even relevant.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:22am
      - dime
        
        the guy studied student associations.
        
        his work life has been nothing.
        
        he is just terrible.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:28am
      - mikenmild
        
        You are not making any point that is relevant to his ability to be a cabinet minister, let alone establishing some minimum criteria to be an effective minister of finance.
        You don’t like him because he studied an obscure part of labour history and then worked in politics.
        But you like Bill English because he studied literature and worked in the Treasury for a couple of years before politics.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:32am
      - rangitoto
        
        Most of those require some level of numeracy.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:57am
      - Prince
        
        Robertson has outsourced the role to BERL.
        
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        September 6, 2017 12:12pm
      - dime
        
        milky – at least bill was a policy analyst for treasury!
        
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        September 6, 2017 1:44pm
- doggone7
  
  Since it’s flaunting CVs time:
  “A Roman Catholic, he attended St Bede’s College where he twice failed to gain University Entrance.
  After leaving high school, he worked in his family’s timber business and received training in carpentry. After qualifying as a builder, he retrained as a teacher and taught woodwork, technical drawing and Māori, over a period of twelve years.”
  
  No wonder he had problems at the airport and lied about it.
  No wonder the handling of the Christchurch situation has been hopeless.
  Yes, it’s Big gerry.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:59am
- kevn
  
  What a history of business acumen, not. Add on J A with the years of Global Socialist Youth presidency history (lots of free international travel) and preaching at us even though she has no real work experience Angry with strong union ties, Davis who thinks he has skill at well practised one-liners (until he got told to shut it) who we never hear anything from, even though he is second in command.
  Hell of a team eh? Nah
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:05am
Ross12

Some very clever politics by President Trump on the DACA issue. Again the MSM , Obama, Democrats, Rinos and some senior business people show they have extremely low reading and comprehension skills.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/05/statement-president-donald-j-trump
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September 6, 2017 10:47am
- Gruffydd
  
  Yip that Trump has the biggest words the best words the bigly best words alright .
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:00am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Illegal invaders being told by White House to start packing their bags. 🙂
    
    Go dream in Mexico.
    
    Of course the usual suspects – Silicone Valley technoborg and Faggywood druggie celebrities are in tears about it.
    
    MAGA!
    
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    September 6, 2017 3:22pm
RalphT

Is it just me or is everyone on KB getting an ad for jobs in the US secret service? If it’s just me (and I am currently in the US) then I’m worried.
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September 6, 2017 10:57am
- Gruffydd
  
  Ads are on browsing history .
  I get cars right now as I have been watching you tube car vids.
  Many get the Russian brides etc if they watch to much porn .
  Fuck knows what you have been surfing if you get US secret service ads.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:06am
  - RalphT
    
    The worrying things is that in the last couple of weeks all I’ve looked at is KB!
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:21am
    - mikenmild
      
      Well, the secret service needs an advertising agency with better algorithms then.
      I get the dating sites a lot, and those Hobson’s Choice fuckwits. I just look on it as random. The companies will sell their formulas as based on some sort of sophisticated market intelligence, but it’s probably just bullshit sales blather.
      
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      September 6, 2017 11:35am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “Ads are on browsing history .”
        
        mikenmild gets ads for childrens underwear and swimwear…
        
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        September 6, 2017 3:27pm
    - Gabby
      
      Andrei’s after recruits.
      
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      September 6, 2017 6:31pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Yes, very strange. I don’t get any adds for Russian brides but a lot of adds for Goat farms.
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:52am
UpandComer

Stuff are shilling for Grant as hard as they possibly can.

It’s so funny. They can’t spend an extra cent in 2019-2020-2021. Not a cent. But the media is “there is no hole”.

Economists are too scared to contradict Grant because they fear for their jobs if Labour win. Its very simple. Labour has poured all its forward operating allowance into this budget. It cannot fund government outside health and edu unless for the next 3 years it runs austerity zero budgets, which is an impossibility. There is NO MONEY left for defence, police, kiwi rail, transport generally, DOC, NIWA, research generally, the environment, justice etc. Grant has said he’ll ‘find efficiencies’ which is a dire joke, or grow the economy 5% which is a dire joke. The economists are bailing him out harder then taxpayers bailed out Wall Street I saw someone else put it.

Everyone knows Grant isn’t going to run zero budgets. Everyone knows he isn’t going to grow the economy 8% to make up for his shortfall. He will tank growth with his Union takeover of the economy.
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September 6, 2017 11:26am
DifferentPerspective

Socialism in the US achieved this

Most of us here cannot understand what Jacinda trying to achieve by spraying welfare this and subsidy that around in what is clearly a fiscally unsustainable approach.

The answer is simply, the Cloward-Piven Strategy. She even goes to far as to say her raison d’etre is to eliminate poverty – making the welfare system unsustainable and replacing it with massive forced wealth redistribution is the central tenet of the Cloward-Piven approach to eliminating poverty!
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September 6, 2017 12:23pm
- SPC
  
  It is not fiscally unsustainable as we have universal health cover, ACC, subsidised doctor visits, WFF tax credits, tax paid over 65 super, AS, parental leave, child tax credits for those with children under 3 and a budget surplus.
  
  And given the best way to reduce child poverty is to improver rental standards and to create jobs for sole parents with children, there is no budget cost to it.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:47pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Isn’t that exactly what Bill English has been preaching for over a year and has achieved with teenage mothers. This is one of the reason Labour should not be elected as all the good work being done through this policy will be wasted.
    
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    September 6, 2017 3:12pm
- KevOB
  
  The Cloward-Piven Strategy is peculiar to the federal USA.
  
  Typical borrowing an academic irrelevant solution. Amateur
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:55pm
MrTips

Dear Ms. Clark
thank you for your correspondence on the Waterview Tunnel. It has been taken into consideration.
Seeing as you are neither a) a candidate for the coming election or b) an office holder in the current Labour party and c) yesterday’s news
your opinion matters not one iota.
Kindly note nobody cares
Regards
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September 6, 2017 12:48pm
- SPC
  
  Hilarious, National boasts of its practical solutions hands on approach – the WATERVIEW tunnel as its success
  
  And it was a project approved by Clark’s government who chose the tunnel option in preference to a disruptive above ground route.
  
  Like the Cullen Fund and Kiwi Saver part of their long term vision package.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:53pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Yes – good on Clark.
    Of course it was up to National to:
    – make it a lane wider in each direction
    – spend $1 billion less to build it than Clarks government budgeted for it.
    
    Its a pity with their famed 9 years of surpluses Labour couldn’t get a start on Transmission Gully…..
    
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    September 6, 2017 2:35pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Re Waterview, it was OK under the Klarkenfuhrer to have the motorway proceed along a much cheaper above-ground route, but not through MT. ALBERT.
      
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      September 6, 2017 4:31pm
cha

Funny af so do watch.

The world is going to hell. You owe it to yourself to watch this video of Irish people attempting to get a bat out of their kitchen. pic.twitter.com/Nh8XyD1gen— Jonathan Hopkins (@jonnohopkins) September 5, 2017
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September 6, 2017 1:23pm
Fletch

The pro-life AUSA story makes Breitbart –

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/05/new-zealand-university-students-ban-pro-life-club/
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September 6, 2017 1:23pm
- itstricky
  
  So Bob McCoskie can’t define ‘freedom of speech’ and Brietbart don’t know what ‘freedom of association’ is, then?
  
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  September 6, 2017 1:35pm
SPC

Marriage teaches self control and forgiveness.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11917936

So does being taken hostage, being an abuse victim or victim of crime.
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September 6, 2017 1:36pm
fluffykiwi

The Vote – Compass issue. I wonder whether they ascertain from this whether people are more likely to vote for the left and find their phone numbers and ring them. Easy to do. Most people leave a trail on facebook, the internet somewhere or the plain old phone book.
To some extent I hope they are only ringing majority left voters then the left will get a real surprise come election day.
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September 6, 2017 1:40pm
rangitoto

Taxinda Taxadern. From Latin taxo, meaning a mandatory financial charge. A newly discovered species of predatory coelurosaurian theropod dinosaur. Known to use their large teeth to ravage the wallets of unsuspecting victims.
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September 6, 2017 1:43pm
Prince

I’ve been wondering what the Kiwiblog attraction is for ztev, Gabby, mikenmild, doggone7.

I (regretfully) had a peek over to the Standard.
God it is awful, but someone had to..

As at 2:15pm, 32 Comments on their ‘Openmike’ blog (is there a more inappropriate name ?).
At 2:15pm on Kiwiblog General Debate, 268 entries.

Market forces baby. Top Marks to our host, and fellow commentors – yes even the flawed four mentioned above.
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September 6, 2017 2:21pm
- mandk
  
  The Standard has so few commenters on Openmike because the moderators tend to wet their knickers and ban anyone who doesn’t toe the party line.
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:09pm
noskire

FFS – gender fluid teen and pansexual. No wonder ISIS has it in for the Western world – https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/96310098/gender-fluid-teen-on-a-quest-to-end-hurtful-criticism
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September 6, 2017 2:26pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  That pic of HER says it all, FUGLY and the body shape screams degeneracy.
  
  “Rae is also pansexual. Identifying as pansexual means gender has no influence in the people they’re attracted to, “it doesn’t even cross my mind.”
  
  “I can be attracted to anyone, but that doesn’t mean I’m attracted to everyone.””
  
  Freak.
  
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  September 6, 2017 2:43pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  How can she identify as “just a person “?
  She has a vagina. So she is female.
  Parading your sexual preferences through haircut, clothes and Facebook posts doesn’t change you biological gender.
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:23pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Some allowance has to be made for rare genetic disorders/conditions like XXY chromosome combos, hermaphrodites etc.
    
    But the 100000000 genders narrative pushed by Globohomo elite as part of their agenda needs to be cut down.
    
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    September 6, 2017 3:34pm
- alex Masterley
  
  We live in a fucked up world.
  And to think there is now a discpline in a University called Gender Studies.
  It make me embarrased to say I attended Otago University.
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’t feel too bad… At the university I attended (U. Cape Town) they’re now wanting to replace science with something more culturally appropriate without “colonial framing”.
    
    I guess that’s what you get when the pass mark for maths has been dropped to 20% and if you fail a school year twice you get pushed through.
    
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    September 6, 2017 3:58pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    It sounds like the justifiably embittered fat girls who hid from the world the Wimmin’s Room finally got a class to go to.
    
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    September 6, 2017 4:07pm
  - noskire
    
    With Labour’s proposed free first year of tertiary education there will be more of this tripe – ie. 101 How the impact of neo-colonialist white male aggression has disenfranchised gender-neutral minorities.
    
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    September 6, 2017 4:45pm
cmm

Gangs are just cultural organisations.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96538957/a-big-teddy-bear-with-tough-stickers-found-dead-on-canterbury-riverbed
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September 6, 2017 2:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Our media have a strange relationship with these meth pushers.
  
  Meth scourge of the country , how does it get in here and who peddles it around and yet we are constantly fed “gangsters are such misunderstood sorts ” , they feed kids school lunch , they do good work, blah blah
  
  More Lying Press.
  
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  September 6, 2017 2:45pm
kowtow

Fake news alert

“News” organisations are calling hurricane Irma , the strongest ever ,with sustained speeds of 185 mph.

Quick google shows this to be a lie.
Since 1935 there have been 2 more powerful and 2 with same speed.

Fake news from the Lying Media.
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September 6, 2017 2:39pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  They probably mean the strongest ever for a hurricane still out in the Atlantic Ocean, the other record breakers hit peak force only after entering the Caribbean Sea.
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:02pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Irma is still growing in power .
    Matters fuckall once you get to 300kmh . If its the strongest or second strongest it is still gonna blow your arse inside out .
    
    Hurricane Irma approached. Irma surged in strength on Tuesday to become the strongest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded north of the Caribbean and east of the Gulf of Mexico. As of 2 pm EDT Tuesday, Irma’s top sustained winds were an incredible 185 mph. The only hurricane anywhere in the Atlantic ever known to have stronger winds was Allen (1980), at 190 mph.
    
    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands
    
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    September 6, 2017 4:17pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Barbuda weather station.
      http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=bara9
      961.734.mbar
      Gust 90 knots.
      170kmh
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:12pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes it’s a nasty one all right.
        
        Still, there’s zero evidence that this storm is the results of any climatic change generally, just as there’s zero evidence that there’s an identifiable, causative relationship between human activities and climatic changes.
        
        You can cite poorly-argued correlation until you’re blue in the face griff. But no quantity of feverish agitation on your part will show causation.
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:19pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Krazy
        As I pointed out the physics of tropical storms to you over half a dozen times and you still deny the link between storms intensity, rainfall and temperature I have come to the conclusion you are either extremely thick or a gibbering loon.
        You decide .
        
        It makes no difference to me.
        Your denial doesn’t count in this country .
        Our politicians don’t listen to fuckwits .
        
        In the USA more people are going to die .
        I hope this fucker hits Miami dead center and wipes it off the map .
        Might wake up enough yanks that they get real about the future .
        
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        September 6, 2017 5:35pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      wind speed 93.kts
      gusts 114.0 kts
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:18pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Wind Speed (WSPD): 94.0 kts
      Wind Gust Wind Gust (GST): 135.0 kts
      This station is on the Leeward side and is lined up for a direct hit by the eye wall .
      edit
      Opps the station just karked it .
      
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      September 6, 2017 5:46pm
- cha
  
  Pictures inside.
  /
  
  Plotting all Atlantic hurricanes from 1851-2016 with sustained winds >= 180 mph… Irma is well outside of the record. pic.twitter.com/CgkRMlObzX— Tomer Burg (@burgwx) September 5, 2017
  
  However, Irma isn't out of the record for TCs with MSLP <= 929mb (plotted in circles), showing Irma's relatively high MSLP given wind. pic.twitter.com/45COVetsTj— Tomer Burg (@burgwx) September 5, 2017
  
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  September 6, 2017 3:26pm
- Gabby
  
  As lies go it’s hardly a Jawsie is it. Only out by 2.
  
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  September 6, 2017 4:15pm
mandk

“… sustained speeds of 185 mph.”

Pfft, merely a breezy day in Wellington 🙂
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September 6, 2017 3:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

What, no Hugh!
Is he doing something useful today, like delivering National Party leaflets?
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September 6, 2017 3:25pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/96564902/fresh-arrest-warrant-issued-for-scribe-noshow

Well who would have guessed!
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September 6, 2017 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ah oh…. RNZ news has just run a piece saying Ardern won’t rule out a CGTax on the land upon which the family home sits……

“???’Garden tax”
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September 6, 2017 4:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Is there no limit to the socialist’s lust after private wealth?
  
  First they came for the fruit of my labour, then they came for the little I was permitted to squirrel away
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:26pm
Ross12

Just heard on the news. Because Auckland University has dropped in international “rankings’ the Vice Chancellor wants more Government funding !!!
How about just organising the University better and making sure the courses given to students are of a higher quality ?
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September 6, 2017 4:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, perhaps than trying to offer a greater quantity of courses, universities might instead focus on increasing the quality.
  
  We need more specialisation, leading to higher quality.
  
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  September 6, 2017 4:56pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  That won’t help as a big part of the rankings takes into account research, not courses and teaching. So, less research and their rankings drop.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:57pm
  - Ross12
    
    Fair point Lucia.
    We just that he has to ensure all research done at the University meets a higher quality standard.
    
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    September 6, 2017 7:20pm
cha

We Remember

45 yrs ago today, Eleven members of Israel's Olympic team were taken hostage & murdered during the '72 Olympic Games in Munich. #WeRemember pic.twitter.com/HP3zAieoJj— Israel ישראל (@Israel) September 5, 2017
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September 6, 2017 4:44pm
- GoVege
  
  Disgusting savages….
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:04pm
Manolo

The sexually-repressed and the joys of multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4853748/Afghan-trial-rape-murder-German-teenager.html

An asylum seeker accused of raping and murdering an EU official’s daughter attacked her to satisfy his ‘sexual urges’ before leaving her unconscious in a river to drown, a court heard.
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September 6, 2017 5:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Why the hell did the Greeks let this psycho out of jail after attempting to murder one girl, allowing him to succeed in murdering another?
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:12pm
- Jack5
  
  If Labour gets in, there will be more Muslim “refugees” coming into NZ, Manolo.
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:11pm
Surely Knott

Taxcinda is not ruling out taxing residential sections!!! This sucks! So if you are on a multimillion dollar mansion on a pocket section in Parnell you should be sweet. But a cottage on a farm in pukekohe or an old westie house on a section in the Waitakere Ranges Heritage Area (which cannot legally be subdivided) , or Rodney, or the older outer suburbs like Glen Eden where there are bigger sections, or a big unuseable bush section in Titirangi you could be pinged big time. Is there any other taxes we could be hit up for Jacinda. FF Sake. She should tell us what the taxes are before the election. This is so unacceptable.
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September 6, 2017 5:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  If you have too much in your kiwisaver account, beware.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:36pm
- Brigitte
  
  What part of “transparent” do you not understand. My dictionary clearly defines “transparent” as, er as, um …. ah, yes, I see what you mean.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:37pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Oh wait. Incoming news. She has changed her mind. I mean updated her position. The land /property was on the table for tax when she talked to RNZ this morning. But a new article this avo and she is ruling out land tax ont the family home. Fuck. Do they have any plan at all. Or do they just throw it against the wall and see if they can get away with it or if they get too many angry facebook comments. Lol. Taxcinda Flakes.
    
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    September 6, 2017 5:53pm
- KevOB
  
  The past should have warned them. Amateur.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:59pm
- GoVege
  
  Why the hell did the Greeks let this psycho out of jail after attempting to murder one girl, allowing him to succeed in murdering another?
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:13pm
- GoVege
  
  How about a transaction tax?
  That would be hardly noticed.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:15pm
stigie

This rabble need to come and say we will not be charging CGT on the family home and the land that the home sits on.
Is that so hard for Liarbore to tell hard working kiwis..?
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September 6, 2017 5:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  They need to find a lazy nine or ten billion lying around to be grabbed.
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  Ardern’s not the sharpest operator when she gets a direct question is she?
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/election-2017/338830/labour-clarifies-land-tax-position
  Her transparency is becoming rather opaque.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:29pm
Lucia Maria

Rescue of woman wedged retrieving thrown poo breaks window

One of those bizarre stories that makes you click on it just to see what’s up.

This story does not answer the question of why? Why would a person panic and throw their poo out the window? I don’t get it. What’s wrong with flushing? Or did it not flush? Was it one of those really large ones that just wasn’t going to go down no matter what? The mind boggles.
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September 6, 2017 5:53pm
- Gabby
  
  She might have misheard Kev OB.
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:22pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    I dunno about Kev OB, but I told my husband about this story when he got home (I know, it’s stuck in my head) and his reaction was that it sounded like something Mr. Bean would do. Given that the story is from the BBC, he said, maybe Mr. Bean is like a real person over there!
    
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    September 6, 2017 7:42pm
Morrissey

NewstalkZB is shallow, trivial, and horrible radio.
But is it any worse than Jim Mora’s light chat show?
The Panel preshow, RNZ National, Tuesday 5 September 2017
Jim Mora, Peter Fa’afiu, Victoria Stewart, Megan Whelan
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/201857382/the-panel-pre-show-for-5-september-2017

This drivel goes for six and a half minutes. Here’s a transcript of the first 4 minutes and 23 seconds….

MORA: Ah, Megan Whelan, Story of the Day!
MEGAN WHELAN: So Google has released, ahhmmm, its most searched “How To” questions globally, ahhh, which gives us an insight into the things that people struggle with day to day. So the most searched How-To question globally—does anyone want to take a guess?
MORA: Oh look. Go on, have a go.

Silence….

MEGAN WHELAN: Anyone?
PETER FA’AFIU: No you’re good.
MORA: No, all right—
VICTORIA STEWART: No, no.
MORA: It is hard, it’s hard, it’s hard, actually.
MEGAN WHELAN: I thought it would have been something like “How to cook rice”, or something like that.
MORA: Oh yeah.
VICTORIA STEWART: Ohh yeah.
MEGAN WHELAN: Um, that is sort of second. “How to tie a tie”—-
MORA: [with mock dismissiveness] No-o!
VICTORIA STEWART: Ahhhhh…
MEGAN WHELAN: Which I find fascinating! Because not all of the population has to do it, but apparently it’s a thing that those people who do, frequently forget.
MORA: [affecting a tone of incredulity] “How to tie a tie” is number ONE!?!?
MEGAN WHELAN: “How to tie a tie” is number one! It’s the most searched “How To” question in the world. Ah, “How to kiss” is in second place.
MORA: Ahhh!
MEGAN WHELAN: Which makes me worry a little bit about the future of humanity.
MORA: Ha!
VICTORIA STEWART: Ha ha!
MEGAN WHELAN: As does number three, which is “How to get pregnant”.
MORA: Yes!
VICTORIA STEWART: Ooh goodness.
PETER FA’AFIU: [snickering] Kkkkkk!
MEGAN WHELAN: Number four: “How to lose weight.”
MORA: Yeah.
PETER FA’AFIU: Oh yeah.
MORA: I would’ve thought that’d be RIGHT up the top.
MEGAN WHELAN: “How to draw”.
MORA: “How to DRAAWW”?
MEGAN WHELAN: “How to make money.”
VICTORIA STEWART: Ha ha.
MEGAN WHELAN: Ha ha. And then sort of “How to cook rice”—“how to make pancakes”.
MORA: [very softly, in a tone of bemused wonderment] Pancakes.
VICTORIA STEWART: “How to write a cover letter” AND “How to cook French toast.” Ahhhmmm….
MORA: What?!?!?
VICTORIA STEWART: Followed by “How to lose belly fat”. Ah, so, ho, we’re very worried about losing weight but also having good breakfasts!
MORA: What a STRANGE list!
MEGAN WHELAN: Isn’t that a strange list!
PETER FA’AFIU: Just trying to figure out how many of those I’ve, uh, ha ha ha ha!
MORA: Okay, you can tie a tie.
PETER FA’AFIU: Pancakes, yeah. Tie….
MORA: Pancakes? You know how to make money?
PETER FA’AFIU: Yeah.
MORA: Do you know how to write a cover letter?
PETER FA’AFIU: Yes.
MORA: Ahh, do you know how to lose fat around your tummy?
PETER FA’AFIU: No.
MORA: Okay. I won’t ask you the REST!
PETER FA’AFIU: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I know how to kiss. I know how to kiss.
MEGAN WHELAN: So Simon Rogers, Google’s data editor, one of the things he mentioned is that these “How To” searches have increased a hundred and forty per cent—so more than doubled—since two thousand and FOUR, and MUCH of that interest is directed at how to sort of FIX things, so oftentimes it’s how to fix a lightbulb or replace your window or fix your washing-machine or even the toilet. So I had a look at Google Trends, ahhh, which is how you can search some of this stuff yourself, for New Zealand for the past twelve months—
MORA: Aah!
MEGAN WHELAN: So related searches, our ones, so this is not the exact data that THAT list is, the global list is, ‘cos it’s not broken down in the same way, but searching “How To” and getting related searches for that for New Zealand, we searched “How to draw”, “How to screenshot”—
MORA: Oh yeah.
MEGAN WHELAN: And someone has texted in to say that when THEY searched it, they got the auto complete, so often when you google something “how to” it will fill in the sentence for you? They got “How to make SLIME”, which is number THREE in New Zealand. We also searched “How to make slime without borax”, which seems a VERY specific thing—-
PETER FA’AFIU: A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
MORA: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
MEGAN WHELAN: “How to proNOUNCE” is number four—-
MORA: “How to pronounce”?
MEGAN WHELAN: “How to pronounce”. So, presumably, there is another word following that one. “How to lose weight”, “How to make money”, “How to tie a tie”, then that’s the slime without borax. How to-o-o-o-o-o, oh, er, break a —I can’t read my own HANDWRITING!—I think it was something like “break an iPhone”? Ummmmmm—-
VICTORIA STEWART: Easily—-
MEGAN WHELAN: Ha ha ha ha!
VICTORIA STEWART:—is the way I think of that. Drop it!
MEGAN WHELAN: Ha ha. And then, LASTLY, in our New Zealand related searches taught you “How to delete Instagram accounts”. I’m a little bit worried what New Zealanders have been doing on their Instagram accounts that they feel the need to delete them!
PETER FA’AFIU: Hyunhh, hyunnhh.
MORA: Yeah, exactly.
MEGAN WHELAN: Yeahhhh!
MORA: The slime thing will be children, ‘cos our twins make slime.
MEGAN WHELAN: Yes!
PETER FA’AFIU: Same. For me.
MEGAN WHELAN: Has that been quite a thing in the last twelve months?
MORA: Yeah it has recently. Yeah.
MEGAN WHELAN: Right.
MORA: So THAT’ll be a current thing, the slime thing. I didn’t know, they don’t know about the borax.
MEGAN WHELAN: Yeahhh.
MORA: So, we search for the most trivial things as well, don’t we.
VICTORIA STEWART: Yes. I think a lot of this is about the sentence construction? So you might find that people searching for recipes aren’t searching—so for me, I wouldn’t google “How to cook pancakes”, I would google “Pancake recipe”—
PETER FA’AFIU: Mmmm.
VICTORIA STEWART: “EASY pancake recipes”. Ha ha!
MEGAN WHELAN: Yeah. Or something like that. Or a specific pancake recipe, which is my favorite pancake recipe, but, errr, so, but I might search “How to tie a tie”, ‘cos that sentence makes more sense than “pancake recipe.” Yeah.
MORA: Okay, but, there’s um, very little of, uh, “How can I be nicer?” or “What is the meaning of life?” or those [with mock sententiousness] profound questions….
MEGAN WHELAN: “How can I be nicer?” Okaaayyy….

At that point, I reached the point of maximum disgust, and could take no more of this drivel. The inanity, the determined triviality of this chatter, the complete and utter contempt for the listeners are bad enough, but what really angered me was that last statement by Jim Mora. His suggestion that he cares about “profound questions” is disproven by the subject matter and the tenor of the discussions on his show. And as for “How can I be nicer?”—well, let’s have a look at a few instances of how “nice” Jim Mora is….

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16022015/#comment-969675

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12122014/#comment-939112
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September 6, 2017 5:54pm
- realityczech
  
  Are you sure it was RNZ they did not make any anti Trump statement for all that time?
  
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  September 6, 2017 5:58pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Ha! Good one, my friend. Those zombies were too busy inanely chatting about absolutely nothing to be bothered with President Trump or anything else for that matter.
    
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    September 6, 2017 6:02pm
    - Gabby
      
      Megan puts way too much effort into her cool teenager croak to be thinking about what she’s blathering about.
      
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      September 6, 2017 7:01pm
      - Morrissey
        
        True—but what I find really pathetic is Jim Mora’s attempts to use big latinate words whenever he can.
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Morrisey, just go online. You can listen to radio stations on line in English and scores of other languages. Scores of countries.
      
      Don’t let NZ’s geographic isolation isolate your mind.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:48pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Would have taken a while to put all that bolding in. You get the prize for the most words in a single comment for today. Though, it should be the biggest cut and paste comment. I don’t think anyone manages that many words and they all be their own.
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:12pm
- rangitoto
  
  You took the time to make a transcript! LOL.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Remember when Jim Mora had a 3hour slot on Nat Radio?
  Now that was torture.
  
  Anyway… once I found where the OFF switch was on the radio box, I discovered I could live without listening to RNZ drivel.
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:51pm
Johnboy

It’s gotta be Gods way to tell them 1080 is an abombination. 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/96557317/lightning-sets-department-of-conservation-offices-ablaze
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September 6, 2017 6:00pm
- realityczech
  
  They had probably been sheltering sodomites in that building.
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:11pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Quite true. All the government employees I’ve ever met vote Labour! 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2017 6:17pm
EAD_TWO

Excellent short video by George Carlin – “The Rothschilds Control America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wigDHjEwPuE

A flavour of his speech to the audience – the sad thing is they clap and cheer him on as he delivers a 3 minute truth serum that that spells out just how bad their enslavement by their owners is.

‘’Governments don’t want a population capable of critical thinking,they want obedient workers,people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.”
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September 6, 2017 6:21pm
- mikenmild
  
  Filthy Jews, EAD. What should we do about them?
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:28pm
  - Johnboy
    
    We could ban manufacture of any candlestick with more than six candle holders milky? 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2017 6:31pm
    - mikenmild
      
      We could, but don’t candlestick chandeliers shed a romantic light for date night in your woolshed?
      
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      September 6, 2017 6:57pm
      - stigie
        
        Especially around the eco friendly turbo boosted sheep spa with high pressure nozzles for the ultimate pleasure !~
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Whoever knew that ‘sheep dip’ was a sexual euphemism?
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:27pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Filthy Jews
    
    You seem to know a lot about the personal hygiene of the Jewish race Milkmaid.
    
    I wasn’t aware but – do they not take showers or is there something I’ve missed?
    
    But back to the original point, what did you think about George Carlins talk or would you rather people don’t watch and reflect upon what he says?
    
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    September 6, 2017 6:49pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I was interested to note that not once in that entertaining rant did he mention the Rothschilds.
      
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      September 6, 2017 6:54pm
      - Gabby
        
        EADolf heard it though. He misses nothing.
        
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        September 6, 2017 6:59pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        No he didn’t and nor did I. It’s the name of the YouTube Video.
        
        Who are the owners he refers to?
        
        Who do you think Woodrow Wilson is referring to when he said this after signing the Federal Reserve into being?
        
        we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
        
        These small groups of men must have names don’t they? What binds them all together?
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:06pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So, although George Carlin wasn’t talking about the Rothschilds, some anonymous You Tuber decided it was actually about the Jews?
        Okay, I get it – you don’t like the Jews.
        But what would you ‘modern’ National Socialists actually do to solve the Jewish problem?
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:16pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        If he called out the Rothschilds he’d be labelled an “anti-semite” and a “conspiracy theorist” – that’s the usual response these days isn’t it?
        
        What do “modern” people like yourself Milkmaid propose to solve the White Straight Male “problem”?
        
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        September 6, 2017 7:54pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Seeing as I don’t have a problem with white straight males, I can hardly be expected to have any such solution.
        But, for a Nazi confronted with a Jewish problem, surely a solution beckons, even if you are a bit shy about details.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:00pm
  - realityczech
    
    Filthy Germans,milky . What should we do about them and all those [chuckle] “nazis” ?
    
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    September 6, 2017 7:55pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So far as I can tell, very few Germans are Nazis nowadays. “Don’t mention the war” though.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes but what should we do with them ?
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:14pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Germans, or Nazis? Or both?
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:20pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        For those ever “debating” MM, here is a useful primer on his “tactics”:
        
        One cannot defend himself against the Milkenmild. He attacks with lightning speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.
        
        Quickly he turns the attacker’s charges back on him and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the Milkmaid wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the Mikemild really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:25pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Quotes from Goebbels will not really help to make the case that you are a ‘modern’ national socialist…
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:50pm
Scott Chris

Irma becomes most powerful hurricane ever recorded in Atlantic

Just a coincidence, nothing to do with climate change. Yeah, right. ☂️
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September 6, 2017 7:35pm
- realityczech
  
  Yet weather patterns are normal and stable. Funny that.
  
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  September 6, 2017 7:58pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Wettest year and there’s more to come in the next seven days
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11917264
    July rainfall topples records across South Island
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/336494/july-rainfall-topples-records-across-south-island
    Soggy year sends weather records tumbling
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/338722/soggy-year-sends-weather-records-tumbling
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      Within typical variations according to the data dummy:
      
      Key findings
      
      Year-to-year annual rainfall varies from 60 to 130 percent of average.
      Annual average rainfall varies from less than 500mm in dry areas like Central Otago, to more than 4,000mm in mountainous regions like the Tararua Range (lower North Island) and more than 5,000mm for the Southern Alps.
      2013 is an example of a dry year – the North Island had less than 80 percent of its annual average rainfall over much of the island.
      1995 is an example of a wet year – Marlborough/Nelson and Central Otago had more than 130 percent of their annual average rainfall.
      
      http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/environment/environmental-reporting-series/environmental-indicators/Home/Atmosphere-and-climate/annual-rain.aspx
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:13pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Record droughts must be due next summer then.
      Weather is a swings and roundabouts thing.
      Climate takes millenia.
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:01pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Within typical variations according to the data dummy:
      
      Hello fuckwit
      What part of record don’t you understand ?
      Here is a hint
      It means an amount higher or lower than ever recorded.
      
      From your link
      Key findings
      
      Year-to-year annual rainfall varies from 60 to 130 percent of average.
      
      from mine
      
      NIWA’s July climate summary concluded the Wellington, Otago and mid- to South Canterbury regions all had more than150 percent of the rainfall that would normally have been expected for the month.
      
      Who is the dummy ?
      oh that’s right it kea he makes up shite posts ten year old rubbish and bullshite like the loony tune he is
      That is ok kea is after all mental
      Its the idiots like all on red and Maggy that expose what they are when they are on the side of such a whacko.
      
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      September 6, 2017 10:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        Poor Griff. So angry at the world for not believing in climate doom.
        
        The climate is not warming and the sea is not rising. How sad never mind. 🙂
        
        Dummy.
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:36pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        yes kea
        I am sure if you keep chanting that someone will believe you.
        Meantime out in the real world.
        Not one political party in this country agrees with you and the rest of the nutters on here.
        No one is listing to antiscience whackos like you Dr Maggy and All On Red In NZ .
        
        You idiots don’t count .
        Oh dear how sad never mind
        
        Dont forget to pay your ETS now losers .
        ROFLMAO.
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        Griffy gets a very hard time on climate blogs then takes his anger out on KB.
        
        Poor broken Griffy 🙂
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:51pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFLMAO
        Jesus mate you should stop being so funny.
        The folks here are getting upset because I am laughing so loud at all the whackos.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:02pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    realityczech
    
    Yet weather patterns are normal and stable. Funny that.
    
    What’s normal and stable in your alternative reality ain’t what conventional science knows. Y’know, the kind of science that makes your computer function;
    
    https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
    
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    September 6, 2017 9:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      Climate Scientists Confirm No Global Increase in Extreme Weather Events
      
      http://euanmearns.com/climate-scientists-confirm-no-global-increase-in-extreme-weather-events/
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:18pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        I like this line parrot.
        
        We are not presently at liberty to disclose which report it is, but it’s written by a group of climate scientists whose academic credentials are impeccable and who have numerous peer-reviewed publications to their credit.
        
        No name not even a link to the report apparently it is all secrecy.
        
        Or the blog in question just made it up
        
        You have to be a real nutter to think that link is worth anything at all .
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Then do some research. There is tons of evidence out there of normal weather.
        
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        September 6, 2017 10:20pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes
  
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  September 6, 2017 8:00pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Irma becomes most powerful hurricane ever recorded in Atlantic
    
    Just a coincidence, nothing to do with climate change. Yeah, right. ☂️”
    
    —————————————————–
    
    Only five times—in the 1932, 1933, 1961, 2005, and 2007 hurricane seasons—has more than one Category 5 hurricane formed.
    
    Between 1924 and 2017, 32 hurricanes were recorded at Category 5 strength. No Category 5 hurricanes were observed officially before 1924. It can be presumed that earlier storms reached Category 5 strength over open waters, but the strongest winds were not measured. The anemometer, a device used for measuring wind speed, was invented in 1846. However, during major hurricane strikes the instruments as a whole were often blown away, leaving the hurricane’s peak intensity unrecorded. For example, as the Great Beaufort Hurricane of 1879 struck North Carolina, the anemometer cups were blown away when indicating 138 mph (222 km/h).[2]
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:07pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Officially, the decade with the most Category 5 hurricanes is 2000–2009, with eight Category 5 hurricanes having occurred: Isabel (2003), Ivan (2004), Emily (2005), Katrina (2005), Rita (2005), Wilma (2005), Dean (2007), and Felix (2007).
    
    And your point is dk ?
    
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    September 6, 2017 8:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘[5] Individuals with Aspergers may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having a genuine understanding of the broader topic.’
      ?
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:14pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I see you don’t have a point .
        Just the same old cutnpaste .
        Poor DK
        To thick to know how thick he is.
        
        Autism As a Disorder of High Intelligence
        http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fnins.2016.00300/full
        
        ‘Smart genes’ account for 20% of intelligence: study – Medical Xpress
        https://medicalxpress.com › Genetics
        May 22, 2017 – Many of the genetic variations linked with high IQ also correlated with … One of the strongest—and most surprising—links was with autism, …
        
        Autism Genes Linked to Higher Intelligence – Medscape
        http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/841615
        Mar 17, 2015 – Genetic variations associated with autism spectrum disorders have been linked to better cognitive ability in individuals
        
        Mines about 3 SD .
        That means I get to call about 999 out of a thousand people thick.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure….
        You keep telling yourself you’re special.
        Too stupid to know you’re stupid eh DKHead.
        And you prove it all the time.
        Glad you like that cut n paste. An oldy but a goody.
        So funny.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:43pm
    - realityczech
      
      The point dummy is that they have only been collecting data a few years. This causes low information types to panic over normal climatic variations.
      
      Climate is a complex topic and suggest you find a new hobby dummy.
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Officially” yeah.
        Notice there are NO Cat 5 Hurricanes between 2007 and 2016. Wasn’t Climate Change supposed to have caused more extreme weather?
        And your point is DKHead?
        Lol, butthurt again.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:24pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Griff gets butthurt in front of an International audience. Poor DKhead
      ‘Griff,
      That’s called a straw-man argument. Look it up. The fact that you would stoop to such tactics means that you have no cogent arguments. This is why you are mostly ignored here.’
      
      ‘Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion then wanders off in his hunt for assumptions and conspiracies?
      If his writing was a little more obtuse, he could be Loserandownsky researching his next fabrications.’
      
      ‘I gather, that you Griff, with your usual total lack of reading comprehension did not read the comments.’
      
      ‘Absolute confirmation that griffypoo, never reads the articles or most comments.
      Read the article griffy, before making grossly wrong statements.’
      
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      September 6, 2017 8:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        It is hilarious isn’t it 🙂
        
        Someone put a link to some of Griff’s favourite climate sites. I formed the view we are way too gentle on him. They really let him have it.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:20pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        yes DK
        Still posting that .
        You do know it makes your dk provable .
        
        The debate was on the Greenland ice balance
        The funny thing is.
        This is the graph hella posted
        https://www.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/e/n/i/b/m/Melt_combine.png
        It shows the surface mass balance.
        How much snow falls and how much snow melts.
        It is not the mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet .
        
        For an ice sheet that neither grows or shrinks, there is at all points averaged over the year a balance between
        
        the amount of snow that falls and is compressed to ice
        the amount of snow and ice that melts or evaporates (sublimates) and
        the amount of ice that flows away due to the ice motion
        
        The two first contributions make up the surface mass balance. For the ice sheet as a whole, there is a balance between the surface mass balance and the amount of ice that calves into the ocean as icebergs.
        
        If climate changes, the surface mass balance may change such that it no longer matches the calving and the ice sheet can start to gain or lose mass. This is important to keep track of, since such a mass loss will lead to global sea level rise. As mentioned, satellites measuring the ice sheet mass have observed a loss of around 200 Gt/year over the last decade.
        
        https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
        Isn’t that funny DK .
        You just made a fuckwit of your self again….
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum
        
        https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahahahahahaah
        What an idiot. Here’s a link to where I first made that comment
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/general_debate_17_september_2016.html/comment-page-1#comment-1783732
        
        Nothing about Greenland there.
        Butthurt again DKHead.
        
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        September 6, 2017 8:53pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yes
        You lovely friend Dr Maggy posted the original on here and that’s were it from.
        So not only are you making a fuckwit out of your self
        You are also making a fuckwit out of Maggy
        Not that I mind.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure….
        You tell yourself that.
        Sooo funny.
        Hey, got a list of all those Scientific Institutions you like again?
        ?
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:07pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Would they be the ones colluding in the gigantic climate change conspiracy?
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Werent you disparaging data from NOAA the other day? And they’re on that list.
        Just quietly Mikey, I don’t think there’s any conspiracy. A few greedy self serving people sure, but you get that everywhere.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gosh some folks don’t remember what they wrote here.
        
        On Sept 16 2016, I pointed out a couple of strange coincidences about someone called Griff who comments on Climate-change blogs
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/general_debate_16_september_2016.html#comment-1783610
        
        The kiwiblog Griff insisted that all the other Griffs (including on the Guardian) aren’t him.
        
        Well I can’t fathom all you pseudo folk….
        you are all probably kea
        chat amongst yourselves.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:37pm
    - Scott Chris
      
      Griff I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed a denier change his mind. The water will be lapping at his feet and he’ll blame it on land shrinkage.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great
      
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      September 6, 2017 9:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here, have a little play with this. Plenty of Global Stations to check out.Might make a change from playing with yourself
        https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.htm?stnid=690-002
        You guys are funny- and ignorant.
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:27pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Oh dear
        DK do you now what “Mean Sea Level Trends” Means?
        It is the average trend other the length of record
        I know it hard when you really thick.
        But mate.
        The average trend over the entire record will not show acceleration .
        
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        September 6, 2017 9:44pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Love it
        Get down ticked for pointing out year ten math.
        ROFLMAO
        Poor wee whackos.
        
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        September 6, 2017 11:04pm
realityczech

Sorry Global Warmists, But Extreme Weather Events Are Becoming Less Extreme
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September 6, 2017 8:00pm
ex-golfer

It will be complete b/s if the owner of the property loses this case: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/96421908/conman-bernhardt-bentinck-takes-former-landlord-to-tenancy-tribunal

Leased under false pretenses.
I too would kick the whole lot out as soon as I found out – and then sue him for any repairs required and loss of rental earnings.

This is essentially a case of property rights over false tenancy by a convicted conman.
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September 6, 2017 8:02pm
Don the Kiwi

This’ll get Griff squealing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=357&v=kotqWXZkZS0
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September 6, 2017 8:58pm
- realityczech
  
  The consensus myth has been debunked so many times but they keep trotting it out 🙂
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:02pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  ……and this.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotqWXZkZS0
  
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  September 6, 2017 9:10pm
realityczech

Professor Bob Carter – The Faux “97% Consensus” – 10th ICCC
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September 6, 2017 9:16pm
Jack5

The European Union’s highest court has rejected appeals by Slovakia and Hungary against having to take in refugees.

Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic will now be in a steeper stand-off with the EU over Merkel the Mad’s policy on Middle East and African refugees.

This could finish the EU. In the meantime, I bet it will try to pressure NZ to take more refugees as part of any free-market deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/06/eu-court-dismisses-complaints-by-hungary-and-slovakia-over-refugees
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September 6, 2017 9:42pm
- SPC
  
  If the EU was not a controlled organisation it would have declared the German unilateral subversion of the Schengen agreement an illegal act.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:55pm
- SPC
  
  The idea that other nations have to go along with this or pay a fine for not taking in refugees demonstrates that the EU is not ruled by law, but by the will of one nation.
  
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  September 6, 2017 11:01pm
Tauhei Notts

It may be anathema to Kiwiblog readers but I wanted to see Jacinda win.
But tonight I watched Grant Robertson on Backbenchers Tv.
The man makes Steven Joyce look humble.
He makes Nick Smith seem sane.
He makes Bill English seem charismatic.
He makes Chris Finlayson look brilliant.
I could go on.
Jacinda; if you want a chance keep that creep off Tv.
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September 6, 2017 9:50pm
- Nookin
  
  Realistically, the Electoral Commission should add the entire cost of producing and presenting back benchers tonight to the Labour Party’s electoral expenses.
  And as Mr Notts so eruditely pointed out, it would be difficult to find a more arrogant and sanctimonious non-achiever than Robertson.
  Fortunately someone changed channel before I found the brick.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:05pm
  - mikenmild
    
    That’ll happen the same day as the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’ expenses are attributed to the National Party.
    
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    September 7, 2017 7:00am
- Jack5
  
  A Jacinda win would fire up the right-wing blogging community.
  
  Especially when Ardern re-0pened the debate on whether NZ should become an official republic – as opposed to the present quasi republic.
  
  We know that in the background would be Helen Clark dreaming of becoming the first president of Aotearoa.
  
  There is little doubt that at the same time the country would either be renamed Republic of Aotearoa or Republic of Aotearoa New Zealand, or the Republic would have two titles: Republic of New Zealand and Republic of Aotearoa. Yeah, like Mount Taranaki aka, or supposed to be aka, Mount Egmont.
  
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  September 6, 2017 10:07pm
  - SPC
    
    I have no difficulty with independence.
    
    I would however prefer continuance of the Crown terminology, and have the person in the role of Crown Governor.
    
    This would illustrate they are to be seen as simply a successor to the current Governor General, and thus not to be seen as having full status of a head of state. The point being to see the people as having sovereignty and thus this person as just another public servant.
    
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    September 6, 2017 11:08pm
    - Gabby
      
      Sir Geoffrey envisages himself having a little more power than that.
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    I am interested in this notion that Helen Clark would become our first president.
    I have seen nothing to indicate that she would seek such a position.
    If we were to vote on such a proposition, how many people would vote for her anyway, versus Prince Big Ears?
    It’s just a distraction from the real issues in the campaign – not that the big issues facing New Zealand are being discussed much anyway.
    
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    September 7, 2017 7:04am
    - Gabby
      
      RICHIE’S EARS ARE PERFECT, PERFECT I TELL YOU.
      
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      September 7, 2017 8:34am
Manolo

Ballsy “lady” players, after all.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-female-soccer-team-accused-of-manning-up/

Iranian soccer fans were left reeling earlier this week after eight members of the women’s national team were found to be men, the Al-Arabiya website reported on Monday.
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September 7, 2017 6:17am
Digmen1

Talking about the Jacinda effect.

Both Trudeau in Canada and Marcon in France were young and idiolised. Now after just six moth or a year both have low ratings.

No experience.

I hope NZ wakes up before the 23rd.

Tonight’s Colmar Brunton will give us a clue.
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