General Debate 5 September 2017

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Paulus Gnome

The bastards on the state funded socialist broadcasting network just cannot help themselves.

A report on the 0700 news bulletin trumpets Bill English’s commitment to remove a 100,000 children (in New Zealand) from poverty, and rightly so

Ardern asserts the number of children living in poverty is 290,000 while not defining or referencing any benchmark although Gower in the debate in front of an uncommitted audience (as uncommitted as the ‘expert’ panel hosted by Lisa Owen was not partisan) gave the number as 165,000 and English quoted a benchmark to which National were measuring poverty against.

Rabid Red told us in the broadcast that children living in low income homes is 290,000, providing validity for Arderns number by misrepresenting at best or mangling the definition of children living in low income homes.

So what is this number of children living in poverty and what is the difference to children living in poverty and those living in low income households? Are these two definitions exclusive as it appears that they are interchangeable to provide the best advantage to the argument of the barrow pusher.

What is poverty in New Zealand? Like many others here, I have travelled and lived abroad and have seen real poverty, where the definition of poverty would be if they did not manage to score (from you or someone else) there was a fair chance that they would not eat that day. That to me is living poverty, not the soft cock definition rolled out here to include factors of not being able to have an iphone, holiday (abroad?) or sharing a bedroom with a sibling.

If those two marks are measures of poverty, my brothers and I sharing a bedroom forever until I left home at 18 and went to the Marlborough Sounds at Christmas for a holiday, were living in poverty and demand compensation o’wise it is off to the Waitangi Tribunal for compensation because for hurty feelings and just ’cause irrespective of nary a drop of the hallowed blood of the privileged.

And, I will claim for the non-existent iphone as well although in my earlier life, phones had wires to a wall (buttons A & B when swallowing penny’s) as maori have made a claim for broadcast spectrum and they sure as shit had no idea about anything like that and yet have managed to make it into a money earner.
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September 5, 2017 8:02am
- Colville
  
  Cindy quoted a number from some (I think UNICEF) report which is children living in a house at below 605 of median income.
  Bill stated 155,000 kids live in material poverty. As measured by lacking lacking things like 2 pairs of shoes etc.
  
  Both measures are total shit.
  Add 100,000 more high earners then median goes up and magically there are more poor kids? fuckoff.
  Parents get a lot of money on dpb etc. Cant afford a second pair of shoes from the RedShed bullshit you are just spending the money on the wrong things.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:09am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Who invented this ‘child poverty’ bullshit anyway?
    Yes, there are children who live in deprived households, but shouldn’t it be called ‘parental dysfunction’?
    Do you fix it by giving the money straight to the children, or by giving it to the parents to waste? Will the children ever see it?
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:13am
    - Manolo
      
      Spot on, Captain.
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:16am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Bill told Cindy solving child poverty was “not about splashing money around.” National are targeting individual children and families with wrap around one on one help.
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:25am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Jacinda’s definition is based on relative incomes which is nuts. On that definition a professional on a six figure salary can reduce poverty by moving to Australia. Bill’s definition is based on material hardship which is better but also incorrect.
      
      There is a big difference between kids in households with insufficient income to provide the basics, and households where the income is adequate but is being wasted on booze, drugs, gambling etc. The former is poverty and the latter is parental neglect which cannot be fixed by tossing more money in.
      
      The true child poverty level has never been properly measured but I suspect it is very small.
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:51am
      - Gabby
        
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        Well duh nige, poverty is relative. Even puller goon showed a glimmer of understanding that in the midst of his sanctimonious self-congratulatory bullshit.
        
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        September 5, 2017 9:46am
      - Swifty
        
        Labour think NZers are stupid.
        
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        September 5, 2017 9:46am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Nigel, a lot more money is squandered on bad financial decisions and haphazard budgeting. Personal loans from finance companies. Ridiculous amounts on bakeries and fast food. It never ceases to amaze me how many bank statements I see with $50 to $200 spent on such food. When I suggest maybe this would be better spent on groceries, there’s always an excuse. “I needed school lunches for the day, I hadn’t done my shopping, I brought dinner for the night then was going to shop the next day but my direct debits came out (to personal loans and clothing trucks). And that’s why they come in for a food grant. It’s not unusual for a single parent with 2 children demanding a $250 food grant. Demanding! “Foods expensive you know?” Really? I get mine for free! is what I want to say. Often what I do say is, with a weekly menu, I feed 3 adults, and currently 3 pre teen children on less than $300 and we eat very well.
        
        Now saying that, if you’re renting, which in South Auckland is way more likely than not, you will can kiss 2/3s of your income goodbye.
        
        Single mum on benefit with 2 kids under the age of 16.
        
        Main benefit $325
        Accomodation supplement $165
        Temporary additional support $97 (based on $500 rent)
        Family tax credits $152
        
        Total (in round figures) $740.
        
        Say goodbye to 500 in rent and another $20 for water rates. power? 40 to 50 . And then food, $150. Petrol, clothing, repairs or replacing anything that breaks. Savings? Unlikely to happen. This is what happens when they do it right. These type of “poor” people rarely come into a winz office. They do it hard, know the only way to get more money is to earn it, become independent. But as mentioned above? More don’t than do.
        
        We have habitual people in hardship, in “poverty”. Their names are well known at Winz offices, many of them have 2 or more family members that are equally well known. Case managers are well aware when the older children are aging out of their mothers benefit into their own. These are the faces of poverty in NZ. And it is totally avoidable.
        
        Not having money doesn’t make you poor. Your behaviour and decisions you choose can place you in poverty.
        
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        September 5, 2017 9:52am
      - cmm
        
        “Well duh nige, poverty is relative.”
        
        Fuck off Gabby! Talk of poverty being relative is a gross insult to people who live in real REAL poverty.
        
        The people I knew who lived here: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/31%C2%B019'09.3%22S+29%C2%B055'01.3%22E/@-31.31925,29.9151749,877m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d-31.31925!4d29.9170278
        
        don’t care a shit about relative poverty. They live in real poverty.
        
        They would give just about anything to live in “relative poverty” in a leaky garage in NZ.
        
        Why does a constant stream of PIs move to NZ? Because living in “relative poverty” in NZ is way better than living an average life (ie. no relative poverty) in PI.
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:02am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Labour think NZers are stupid’
        
        At this time, some 30% of the voting populate of New Zealand are showing a propensity towards stupid closely followed by those who will consider the Gweens and Winston First as alternatives; beginning to become a credible number, unfortunately
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:39am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Not having money doesn’t make you poor. Your behaviour and decisions you choose can place you in poverty.’
        
        Great post NH, thank you
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:42am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Gabby, I agree poverty is relative to some extent. A child can be considered to be living in poverty in NZ even if they would not be in Somalia.
        
        But a comparison to some arbitrary proportion of the median income is too simplistic, not to mention mathematically unsound. Using tax to lower the median after-tax income does not alleviate poverty.
        
        Also, can you please come up with an amusing distortion of my name, as you have done for others? I feel left out when you just call me ‘nige’. Thanks.
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:48am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Poverty is relative to what Gobby, those people over there have got more money than me, me, me!
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:23am
    - oldpark
      
      How about focussing on “Parental Neglect”,that would take care of” Child Poverty”. The greatest con job to be visited on NZs by the Lie-bour/Green mafias.
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:51am
    - Jack5
      
      “Poverty” is a moving target. It can never be satisfied, because the politicos can change what constitutes “poverty”.
      
      They could say every kid is in poverty who hasn’t been to Disneyland in Los Angeles, or kids are in poverty who don’t ski every winter in Queenstown and ski abroad every second summer.
      
      More believably, they raise the bar within NZ.
      
      “No shoes” is no longer convincing so they allege lack of food even while media pictures and video show fat, poor kids.
      
      They allege kids suffer from the cold in warm Auckland. It’s not Siberia, and it’s not even Southland or Central Otago, where if kids feel the winter cold it’s because of the Greenies shutting out coal and wood fires.
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:20am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Like Cindy stated that there are 290,000 children in poverty in NZ. Bill told her she was wrong, it is approx 150,000. Cindy is disappointed the number is low and this morning is strongly disagreeing with Bill’s numbers. You see it is how you measure for poverty.
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:31am
  - Colville
    
    my comment above “605” should be 60% duh!
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:39am
- lifesgood
  
  The thing is that if you repeat a lie often enough you, and others, begin to believe it. Being low income does not mean you are living in poverty. I am sick to death of this nonsense being spouted over and over again. Low income families get a massive amount of support from the govt…working for families, accommodation allowances etc, etc. You are never going to eliminate useless and feckless people, druggies and alcoholics no matter how much support you give them.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Income support of any kind including such as WFF support is not from the Government but from Taxpayers like me.
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:40pm
- mandk
  
  Want to prevent children living in relative income poverty?
  
  Easy – stop poor people having kids.
  
  That’s how stupid the relative income measure is.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:24am
- jcuk
  
  I consider myself to be comfortable and read in my local free rag that poverty was an adult getting less than 36K…. a level I certainly have not reached or likely will in retirement.
  So I view claims of poverty with sceptism … being largely tailoring ones expectations to ones income.
  Mr McKyber had a point about 19/6 vis 20/6.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:47am
  - RF
    
    36k. The pension is far less than that…..
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:37am
duggledog

That audience on TV3’s Leaders Debate was stacked; no question.

Every slogan or sound bite Jacinda delivered was greeted with rapturous applause.

Bill only got the applause when he landed a blow.

Feel free to do the math but my estimation is that the applause was 70% Jacinda and 30% Bill.

Anybody with the time or inclination to go along to that downtown venue last night is not representative of the NZ public at large. If the audience came from Morrinsville it would have been the other way around.

Never forget TV3 saw fit to broadcast Bryan Bruce’s ridiculous, partisan ‘Child Poverty’ documentary three days out from a General Election (which Sir John Key won).
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September 5, 2017 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  TV3 must have had lots of fun coming up with that first question for Bill. It was never going to be a debate , it was a hit job on Bill , who from the outset was set up , set up by Gower as a liar.
  
  The Notional Party need to remember that the next time Mediaworks comes looking for money.
  
  The media party , leftwingers to their bones.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:11am
  - KevOB
    
    Australian.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:48am
  - G152
    
    Get scarface out of it. He’s so biased to things left of left its scary that he should be fronting anything outside the Kremlin
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:11am
  - howitis
    
    TV3 /Mediajerks are 100% overseas owned bottom feeders.
    They employ bottom feeders in their own image: Rat Fink Gower; Loser Owen; and now Lloyd Burr.
    
    Nonetheless TV3 gets $18 million a year from taxpayers via NZ on air to make trash TV like:-
    $400k Funny Girls; the Hui $543k pa (as well as $60 mill a year to Maori TV); The Moe Show $1.1 mill pa; Kiri and Boo $860k; Jono and Ben $1.7 million.
    
    Surely it would be better use of funds to use a chunk of the $80 m a year paid by NZ on Air to ‘independent’ TV stations to buy back the broadcast rights to our own National sports teams.
    Australia get their national sports teams free to air. How about if we are ‘bridging the gap’ this would be a better start and more useful than funding towards an overseas owned bottom feeder company
    
    https://www.linkedin.com/company/oaktree-capital-management
    ..Oaktree is a leader among global investment managers specializing in alternative investments, with $99 billion in assets under management as of June 30, 2017. The firm emphasizes an opportunistic, value-oriented and risk-controlled approach to investments in distressed debt, corporate debt (including high yield debt and senior loans),….
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:22am
  - Morrissey
    
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    You must have hated it when the crowd laughed at English, repeatedly. It was a replay of his humiliation at the hands of another charismatic woman in the 2002 television “debates”.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:00am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      What channel were you watching Morrissey, because it can’t have been TV3? The audience laughed at Ardern andwith Englishwhen he dropped in the line about closing Waterview for a day and letting Jacinda’s vision get people where they were going.
      
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      September 5, 2017 2:45pm
      - Morrissey
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrj3-MhbEmY
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:10pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  They should have silenced the audience and I hope they do in future. The clapping and carry on was really annoying and got in the way. I just wanted to hear what the protagonists had to say. Who cares about the political groupies’ slavering.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:25am
  - Morrissey
    
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    “They should have silenced the audience and I hope they do in future.”
    
    Spoken like a true fascist. Make sure you get out and vote for National on the 23rd—nobody likes a complete shellacking.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:02am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Morrissey-
      
      Some of us actually like to have half a clue about what we are going to have done to us by the next Government.
      
      Obviously that’s not a huge concern for you, or perhaps it just makes your head hurt having to use an ounce of grey matter.
      
      But by all means stick with being informed by the silly laughing political groupie cretins.
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:45pm
- Gabby
  
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  Or Bingles just mostly missed dangledung.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:48am
Tarquin North

If Labour win the election who will be the minister for Pyke River? Someone has to bring the children back. How about Winston? I hear he’s kitted out and ready to go, I’ll even lend him a lighter. Jacinda should go back to the chippy and start again.
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September 5, 2017 8:04am
- holysheet
  
  What’s this “How about” Shit?
  Winston and our very own Chucky have already booked their place to be first into the mine.
  
  It is one of his too many Bottom lines.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:43am
  - G152
    
    When you get to his age lines around the bottom is about all he has
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:12am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      @ G152 – a definite contender for Comment of the Day 😀
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:19am
    - RalphT
      
      But which bottom? As far as I can make out Winston has at least two; the one he sits on and the one he talks out of.
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:56am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Vry good 😆
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  Taxcinder is our very own Manchurian Candidate. She may well go back to the chippie once she’s be cast aside by Team Clark and the unions.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:26am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    I can’t believe that witch is back.
    
    Well I can actually, I said she’d be back to take a second crack at getting a republic years ago.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:51pm
- howitis
  
  Bugger Pike River.
  It was a shocker from the start. The greenies wanted to create a dangerous tunnel through a mountain so there was not an entry in a National Park. Not that the scabby luddites wanted a coal mine at all.
  This was massively dangerous in a coal mine with high naturally occurring methane. It was not a copper or gold mine. It was a high grade coal mine suitable for high temperatures in steel making.
  It was years late in opening because of delays for a variety of reasons.
  
  Pike River was a disaster. In more ways than one. The staff who worked there all knew this.
  Bernie Monk has got his NZer of the year awards and the exposure. The publicity seems to be the end goal in itself now. It won’t bring back one life.
  
  NZ has got onerous health and safety rules that are over the top because of this slowly unwinding disaster that began at the concept stage. Sometimes it is better to walk away.
  Bathurst Resources must wonder at the battle they had over bastard greenies for the Denniston mine. NZ did not make it easy to create jobs but gives electric cars all sorts of perks. Under National.
  
  STFU over Pike River. Consign it to history.
  Over one million dollars has been paid to the families for each person killed.
  Bury the damn thing as a nasty footnote.
  There was not the same carry on when 51 souls died in the Wahine disaster 49 and a half years ago. People accepted it as a disaster and moved on for the most part. Families dealt with their grief privately. There was no compensation. There was not even ACC then.
  http://www.noted.co.nz/archive/listener-nz-2008/the-long-wait/
  
  I am more interested in the fact that 115 souls were killed in a building that collapsed 10 weeks later 100 miles away.
  CTV Building was not a methane filled long tunnel. It was a building approved by Christchurch council and they collected rates for a quarter century. It was cleared after the Sept 4 and Dec 2010 quakes. But it fell over. The buildings around it stood up.
  
  How about someone is held to account there.
  It was not a high risk coal mine where the workers knew the sensors were illegally covered.
  The dead at CTV only got the relatively low scheduled ACC payout for death.
  This was little for the Chinese parents who lost their only child.
  The miners were paid to work in Pike river. They knew the risks.
  The dozens of overseas students in the CTV building paid for the language course and did not have the risk identified. Then there were the people in Canterbury TV and other legitimate businesses.
  
  To hell with Pike River.
  If there is a Minster for Pike Bloody River where 29 died in a high risk poor concept mine then what will it take for the CTV building victims where 115 people died and others were maimed for life?
  This continued parlaying of Pike Bloody River is an insult to the people of New Zealand who have endured disaster and not had the publicity and payouts that Pike Bloody River has had.
  
  Another moronic idea to add to the dozens of moronic shallow thoughts of Labour.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:39am
fluffykiwi

Jacinda, you have been in Opposition for 9 years, plenty of time to pad out your vision and come up with a plan. Lets face it while you were in opposition you were not actually doing anything you had time on your hands to have your Vision and then work out how you were going to achieve it.
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September 5, 2017 8:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And that is hitting the nail on the head as far as I am concerned.
  
  Labour has not only had 9 years to develop and drill its vision into each and everyone of us; it has had 9 years to cost out each aspect of its vision.
  It’s not as if Labour has had to run the country for the last 9 years.
  Its not as if Jacinda is a one-woman band.
  What have the lazy Labour Lot been up to these last 9 years?
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:16am
  - Swifty
    
    They’re bereft.
    
    Just think back over the last nine years and think about all their policy flip flops. How many times have they put up policies and announced them as ‘gamechangers’ and then quietly pulled them after being thrashed at the polls.
    
    They’re amateurs. They haven’t got a clue.
    
    If they win, and I believe they’re in with a real chance – then lets say hello to big increases in taxation to fund utopian, pie in the sky, poor quality spending – that will in many cases make worse the very situations they think they’re trying to improve.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:31am
  - jcuk
    
    A similar situation with the repubs over obamacare…. useless twits.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:51am
    - Gabby
      
      The best the reubiblubs can come up with is ‘let them rot’. They don’t think it’s a vote winner.
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:53am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Being obstructive.
    
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    September 5, 2017 6:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

The lefty hack Marcus Lush was pathetic on ZB last night after the debates. Callers and texts saying Bill won the debate outnumbered those for Jacinda, yet each comment supporting Bill was met with dismissive laughter.
What a tool.
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September 5, 2017 8:05am
- Tarquin North
  
  You just realised that Captain? I can’t listen to him without having an attack of tourettes and a serious bout of radio bashing.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:22am
  - Lance
    
    Yes, think of the radio.
    Don’t listen that that smug git
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:30am
- cubit
  
  Then when the live callers swung in numbers supporting Bill he chose to read texts. Surprise only those in favour of Cindy seemed to be read. He hadn’t even bothered to look at the debate. Yes he was working but I am sure he could have caught up on it during the continual news, sports and ad breaks that is a feature of ZB Radio. Lush is one of the laziest and most ill infomed media hacks stealing oxygen.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:41am
  - tf78
    
    I sent him an article which was going to be in the news the next day (not leaked by the way) and he said he couldn’t be bothered reading it and that it was fake news. He and Mark Dye should be taken off ZB. In my opinion they are ignorant, egotistical fools.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:13am
    - Gabby
      
      Who were you shilling for?
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:54am
      - tf78
        
        Myself and my own opinions – is that allowed.
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:16am
- oldpark
  
  Even his name depicts a clown.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:48am
- oldpark
  
  Just heard another lefty will take over talkback on the Anti National Government radio station Newstalk ZB. Her name ,something Allen ,barely sopers missus.The woman who got fired from Newshub,and couldn’t cut the mustard on Seven Sharp.NZ HERALD and owners of Newstalk ZB ,must be short of talent,even Rachel Smalley would have been a good replacement for Tim Fookes,who has resigned ,to go back to Australia with his Australian Wife. Good wishes to him ,he made a difference,to us all as listeners. Can’t say the same for the incoming two faced little South African female ,Barely Sobers missus.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:31am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thanks for that Oldpark, I didn’t know that Fookes had resigned.
    So that’s the end of Newstalk ZB after 8.30 for me then.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:00pm
Kimbo

Well, I thought Paddy Gower did well.

No, really.

Really.
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September 5, 2017 8:06am
- pdm
  
  `Well, I thought Paddy Gower did well.’
  
  Kimbo I agree – he surprised me. I did not think he was capable of getting anywhere near the level he did. He even challenged Ardern on a few of her vacuous answers.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:19am
  - KevOB
    
    He’s the reason why I never ever watch TV3 news.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:51am
    - pdm
      
      Same here Kev – where I see him usually is on The Nation which I keep an eye most weeks.
      
      The only time I look at TV3 is when there is a poll
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:59am
    - Paulus
      
      Did’nt bother with TV3 again last night because I read that Goofy Gowers was involved.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:47pm
- dime
  
  he was better than expected.
  
  his opening attempt at a hit job was a disgrace though
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    No, Gower thought he was being clever but was really a fool.
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:48pm
BananaLlama

I think Bill English nailed it on spending, just look at all the autistic screeching from left wing commentators.
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September 5, 2017 8:09am
- m@tt
  
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  Joyce is a left wing commentator?
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:11am
- redeye
  
  “I got back up!”
  
  What a great unscripted answer.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:13am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Not surprised Bill fluffed the answer on what would you march in the street for? Bill just doesn’t march in the street, he’s one of the quiet workers getting on with the job. His protest would be at the ballot box like most conservatives.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:38am
    - MCos
      
      Well, why didn’t he say so?
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:56am
    - Gabby
      
      Bingles would drive a tractor in the street. Expecting him to proceed on foot would be wakko, girl.
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    “I got up again”. Probably the most telling line of the election campaign to date.
    
    After the 2002 disaster, Bill English could easily have walked away from politics. Instead, he stuck in there and reinvented himself as National’s education shadow minister, where he was effective in keeping the pressure on his Labour opponents, especially over NCEA.
    
    New Zealand was lucky to have Bill English as Finance Minister during the Global Financial Crisis and after the Christchurch earthquakes. That our economy is now one of the strongest in the OECD is largely down to him.
    
    I’m glad Bill English got up again when he was knocked down 15 years ago. He was the man for the times from 2008 onwards, and although he may not do vision and values like Ms Ardern, he is the right man now to ensure our economy stays strong.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:23am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Well said KS
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:29am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bill only got knocked down in 2002 because many Nat voters lost confidence after the 1999 result and deserted them en-masse to NZ First, United Future (remember the worm?) and Act.
      This is not happening this time, in fact the minor parties are going backwards. It will be a cliffhanger.
      
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      September 5, 2017 12:04pm
    - cubit
      
      A man with a moral compass and a bloody good man to boot. Make the comparison with the likes of Twyford , Hipkins, Robertson and of course Little (who now lurks in the shadows) and that is only the men.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:52pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Indeed most politicians can’t stand being defeated they take it personally.
      Bill showed that actually the Party and the country was more important than himself, a rarity among Politicians.
      
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      September 5, 2017 3:09pm
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    Only to get knocked down again. God loves a trier.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:01am
    - redeye
      
      So do voters. The working ones at least.
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:10am
PhilBest

Here’s another balanced article for those who hypocritically condemn Houston’s “bad planning”:

https://www.curbed.com/2017/9/1/16236518/harvey-houston-rebuilding-sprawl-growth-zoning

“…In New York City, only one of the 33 public housing projects damaged by Hurricane Sandy (5 years ago) has been repaired, despite the city receiving $3 billion in aid…

“…Houston not only knows how to build, they will build, fast—in a way that will keep its current citizens from fleeing and probably welcome even more residents…”
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September 5, 2017 8:11am
- PhilBest
  
  Longer comment yesterday for those who missed it, and are interested:
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/general_debate_4_september_2017.html#comment-2011568
  
  “Hurricane Harvey: A View from a Rugged Communitarian”.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:13am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Yes they build fast and cheap .
    Funded by government insurance payouts for the flooding . No zoning so flood risk is taking into account .
    As the flood insurance is not tied to risk they don’t care that in a year or twenty the rebuild will have to be repeated .
    Like good GOP supporters its socialize the risks and privatize the profits
    Houston is a zombie city .
    like Miami and New Orleans its doomed to drown.
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:01pm
    - PhilBest
      
      And your preferred alternative is the kind of planning that in our cities, has backyards hocked off for “intensification”, permeable surfaces lost, and drainage capacity not only left inadequate, but impossible to expand because there are no “rights of way” to get at it amidst all the buildings!
      
      There is hardly a better example of a subject where the worst idiots are the ones claiming to be the enlightened!
      
      Of course every time there is hell to pay after a disaster has been maximised by compact-city cramming policies, there is not only a deafening silence from all the lefty hypocrites, but they are out in force chanting that the city must be rebuilt even more crammed!
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:20pm
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Not sure why you National worshippers are so upset with the tard with lipstick. Arden seems like John key on steroids. Smiles a lot, superficial, likes capital gains tax, rather shit out a brick than give the productive a tax cut and will run a chicken shit economy the same way.

Arden is the political daughter of John key. You all should be very proud of her
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September 5, 2017 8:14am
- Lance
  
  What a load to gobshite
  
  Key was a successful manager and financial wizard BEFORE he came to parliament. He actually knew what he was talking about.
  Unlike miss Woman’s Weekly covergirl and female Che icon complete with broken record soundbites saying nothing of any substance.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:35am
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    Key was a successful manager and financial wizard BEFORE he came to parliament
    
    You’ve really got no idea what you’re talking about do you Lance.
    
    He was a money-changer working in an inflating market front running and trading on information that the general public don’t have with almost zero cost of capital.
    
    Ask his underlings what it was like working for J Key when it came time to divvy up the annual bonus 🙂
    
    I’m not saying Jacinda isn’t an airhead who can talk for hours without actually saying anything but a bit of perspective please!
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:59am
- cmm
  
  Let’s – for the purpose of a wee debate – accept your assertion that Jacinda is basically JK in a dress and both are vacuous figureheads (note – I don’t accept that, but we’ll just roll with that for now).
  
  The real important difference is what’s behind them:
  * Jacinda really is the lipstick on a pig. Wipe that lipstick off and all you’ve got is Andy and crew. No competence, no experience. Now that Anette King has bailed, then best they have are Mallard and Parker. If we need a Ministry of Chicken Salt, they’ve got that nailed though.
  
  * JK was – to an extent – a bit of a figure head, but there is a very competent cabinet there: Bennet, Adams, Crusher, Joyce, English. Even their second tier: Bridges, Coleman, Brownlee, Smith, etc are streets ahead of anything Labour have.
  
  You need to go all the way down to Maggie Barry to find people of “Labour quality”.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:37am
  - Swifty
    
    Totally agree.
    
    I’ve never seen Labour this poor in the talent stocks. NZers who vote for Labour in Sep just because of Ardern will be doing the rest of the country a great disservice.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:49am
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      It does explain why Jacinda keeps says “I” and “me” rather than “we”.
      
      Labour desperately needs the focus to stay on her and nothing else.
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, nothing to indicate she has a team behind her.
        
        In fact, isn’t she going to ask Treasury for some names of folks who can give her advice if she becomes PM?
        
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        September 5, 2017 10:27am
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s almost as if one of Treasury’s main roles was to give advice to the government…
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:05am
    - cmm
      
      Helen squeezed all the talent out of Labour because she was such a micro-managing power freak. She surrounded herself with nodding yes (wo)men.
      
      Cindy is just round two. If she gets in (and let’s assume for a bit she stays in) then she’ll squeeze out the pips too.
      
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      September 5, 2017 8:56am
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    What a shower cmmiebokkie. An absolute shower. Judas could possibly find her eyebrows with both hands, after which it’s a very long tail.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:00am
    - Lance
      
      Translator on maximum… nope, no coherence possible.
      Maybe they are just random words?
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:31am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Political Daughter?
  
  Well I expect Homebrew will be shortly penning a song about raping her then.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:37am
  - Gabby
    
    You a fan of the hippity hoppity are you rimmers. You must be more gangsta, as the kidz say, than you look.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:01am
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      To be fair you have no idea what i look like Gabby, but I am pretty sure if we ever met in real life you would probably wet yourself.
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:15am
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        Internet tough guy…
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:05am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        Fuck off Milky. I really don’t need to be lectured by a weak chinned public servant.
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        You wouldn’t call me weak chinned if we met. You might be pleasantly surprised, even titillated, by my rugged good looks.
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:19am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        To be fair mm, if Gabby met any of us on here in real life, he would wet himself. Gobby is a house goblin that hides in the dark to stay away from people and hits out from the safety of his damp dark keyboard
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:48am
      - Gabby
        
        You can’t be that butt ugly rimmers.
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:28pm
    - SteveRemmington
      
      Titillating good looks.
      
      In that case I’m already visualising the duct tape over your mouth Milky.
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps I should feel flattered to be part of a weirdo’s fantasies; but I’m really not.
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:13pm
      - SteveRemmington
        
        You are not into weirdo fantisies?
        
        Well I’d suggest a two tick blue strategy Milky. I don’t think Labour represent your values anymore.
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:30pm
      - Gabby
        
        Tulixpu rimmers.
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:25pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism at work.

Poland wants to extradite the Congolese suspected of attacking/raping a couple of Polish nationals in Rimini, Italy.
http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/gallery/sfoglio/13228731/guerlin-butungu-stupro-rimini-commenti-utenti-facebook-polonia.html
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September 5, 2017 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  Pity is , being in the oh so human rights loving EU , they won’t be able to hang the bastards.
  
  Whose ‘uman rights are the EU concerned with , the rapists from abroad or their own citizens’ ?
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:35am
PhilBest

Here’s an outside-the-square reading recommendation:

https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Thoughts-Milo-Yiannopoulos/dp/0994516347

I’m reading it at the moment. Apparently the Sci-Fi literature genre has an annual awards event that has been hijacked by political correctness, so that all the awards go to dreary “social justice” utopian works.

The above compilation of short stories is a deliberate middle finger from a significant number of authors in the genre, who have each contributed a short work in the vein of “1984” and “Brave New World”, making a dystopia rather than a utopia out of the fulfilling of the SJW agenda.
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September 5, 2017 8:20am
- mikenmild
  
  I didn’t realise that Yiannopoulos was involved in the Hugo awards business, where various alt-right fuckknuckles attempted to influence the awards by block voting for a slate of stories that met their snowflake criteria. Roundly defeated.
  Yiannopoulous’s own literary efforts are best summed up by his own 2007 collection of ‘poetry’, largely consisting of lines plagiarised from Britney Spears, Tori Amos and an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer!
  Sad!
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:12am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Milo does demonstrate how fucked in the helmet they are MM.
    He is some sort of homo kiddy fiddler according to the crap he has written.
    Why would a right wing nutter support a homo kiddy fiddler ?
    Oh that’s right homo kiddy fiddling its only a gender difference away from the Christian heritage position on child sex..
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:10pm
    - PhilBest
      
      That is a rotten thing to say about Milo – he has never even been accused of “kiddy fiddling”, there was a scandal over some black-humour comments he made, over having been abused, himself, when a child (by a Priest).
      
      In this era, the conservative right is reduced to appreciating homos like Milo who are consistent libertarians, keep out of their bedrooms and they will keep the social engineers grubby mitts off sacraments like marriage, and keep their brainwashing programs out of school classrooms.
      
      The difference between someone in Christian heritage being outed as a kiddy fiddler, and someone on the Left, is that no-one on the right is doing anything other than condemning the hypocrite – whereas the left’s social engineers wish for paedos to be pardoned and apologised to sometime in the next couple of political cycles. Hollywood even made a sympathetic movie more than a decade ago, starring Matt Damon, about the paedo-movement’s Dr Mengele, Alfred Kinsey.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:28pm
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        the left’s social engineers wish for paedos to be pardoned and apologised to sometime in the next couple of political cycles
        
        That’s quite some imagination you have there.
        Will bestiality be okay as well? (asking for a friend)
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:43pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        Hates Kinsley loves Milo
        What are you trying to hide from your self ?
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:45pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “He is some sort of homo kiddy fiddler”
      
      Are you anti gay now Griffy?
      
      And no, he’s never fiddled with any children. You have your facts wrong, again. That’s what happens when you chug on a bong before commenting.
      
      You on the other hand do hold in high esteem a science fiction writer who advocated that dad’s should have sex with their pubescent daughters to “initiate” them properly.
      
      Is that your position Griffy?
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:37pm
      - ztev
        
        A recent paternity case in Auckland , “the court heard” how a travelling salesman tried to arrange an abortion for his girlfriend by supplying drugs through Pfizer who was his employer. This was 47 years ago when Abortion was definitely illegal ( current law passed in 1977)
        
        Was there a connection between the travelling salesman 47 years ago and a later well known anti -abortion politician. ?
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:10pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “where various alt-right fuckknuckles”
    
    Yiannopoulous is not alt-right. He despises racial identity politics of all stripes.
    
    Idiot.
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:33pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Snigger.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:47pm
kowtow

Brutal rape in Leipzig……..

“Police are still searching for the suspected rapist, who they describe as being of “southern” appearance, with dark hair, a short beard, and aged between 25 and 35. He was wearing grey knee-length trousers and a blue-green chequered shirt.”

Southern? A euphemism for migrant?

https://www.thelocal.de/20170904/police-criticized-for-reaction-to-brutal-rape-of-jogger-in-leipzig
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September 5, 2017 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  Bavaria? (Southern Germany)
  Italy? (Southern Europe)
  Afrikaaner?
  New Zealander?
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:27am
- cmm
  
  By “Southern” I am sure they mean from South England. eg. Cornwall or Dorset: ruddy cheeked farmer, straw hat, munching a pasty.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh
    
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    September 5, 2017 1:26pm
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By the way it’s no coincidence when tax cuts were finally in the pipe line John Key decided to leave. The worm.
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September 5, 2017 8:20am
- rangitoto
  
  The KDS is strong in this one.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:24am
- Colville
  
  Simon.
  Yip.
  John Key left the country in safe hand and in a great condition that we can afford tax cuts.
  Well done that Man.
  Sir John.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    According to Simon, nobody is allowed to resign.
    Wait till you’re 56 Simon. You may be able to afford to do whatever you choose too.?
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:47am
  - ztev
    
    Great condition ?
    
    Why the $80 plus billion in debt.
    leaves the cupboard bare?
    Labour left a $9 bill Cullen fund which is now worth $30 bill
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:21pm
Manolo

Merkel’s Germany and the joys of uncontrolled Muslim immigration.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/police-women-run-pairs-jogger-raped-park-assault-leipzig-germany-a7929266.html

A German police force has come under fire for suggesting women avoid jogging solo, after a runner was sexually assaulted in a park.

Investigators are still on the hunt for the rapist, who they described as being aged 25 to 35, with dark hair and a short beard.
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September 5, 2017 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s another one. The diversity dividend paying off handsomely.
  
  ‘A 20-year-old Iraqi asylum seeker has been arrested after he tried to rape a woman who was hiking in the German ski town of Garmisch-Partenkirchen.’
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/04/iraqi-asylum-seeker-arrested-trying-rape-woman-alpine-resort/
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:35am
  - Gabby
    
    No doubt he can’t be booted because he’s a child.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:05am
    - Gabby
      
      They’ll send Merky a strong message of disapproval by voting for a party she’ll promptly form a coalition with.
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:07am
- MCos
  
  Germany has elections at the end of the month. Let’s see what the locals think of the direction the country is going rather than outsiders with a barrow to push.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:03am
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    Not that simple. Haseloff is CDU but anti migrant……
    
    ‘Haseloff, like Merkel a former scientist raised in the east, and once regarded as one of her close allies, has a line on immigration which is not always easy to distinguish from that of the AfD.
    
    “If we care about preserving Europe’s inner coherence, then we need to find a solution to the migration problem that guarantees a certain cultural homogeneity and doesn’t overstrain the native population,” he says.’
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/02/germany-elbe-river-cultural-divide-east-west-federal-elections
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:41am
Happychappy

It wouldn’t mater who won the debate last night the media have a agenda and that is to change the Government. The first question to Bill English last night was a Jornalist trying to do what the opposition couldn’t make stick and with Winston Peters DNA all over it Honesty and the 450 texts to his former staffer. So people can think what they like but the monderator wanted to potray Bill English as dishonest in the first few minutes of the debate.
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September 5, 2017 8:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  450 texts over the course of a year (that has been confirmed) is 1.23 per day. When you’ve worked with someone as long as English did with Ms Dickson, that’s hardly a startling number.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:27am
- oldpark
  
  Agree if Bill English walked on water,the sicko NZ biased anti National Government Mainstream Media,which includes Picture,print, and sound news outlets,as well as social media.They would say that poor old Bill cant swim.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:32am
Spam

I find those debates an exercise infrustration. They never dig in to the points I want to be dug-in to, and they then have irrelevant questions like the stupid series on what each would concede to Winston Peters.

My biggest beef that I want an answer to:
Jacinda: You have stated that you will get a tax working group to look at tax changes that will support your aspiration of home ownership. You have then also stated that your fiscal plan is balanced, and that you don’t need any incremental tax from a Capital Gains tax or any other tax to meet your spending commitments. Therefore, can you categorically state that any additional taxes you introduce following the outcome of the tax working group will be neutral, in that they will be offset by reductions in other taxes?

If not, why not?
And no weaseling by claiming that they’re Royalties, tariffs, levies, charges or any other synonyms for tax. And similarly, increasing welfare is not a tax cut.
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September 5, 2017 8:26am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy refused to answer the question whether their would be capital gains tax on baches, farms, and small business? Instead she talked about values.?
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    “Generational change” got a big huzzah from the audience .
    What does it mean ? I’m young and female ( , he’s white and old) . Seems to appeal to a lot of voters .
    Identity politics is the theme of our times , real policy , a mere distraction.
    
    It’s how we feel that matters , Jacinda said so.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:01am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Tax! Most important point of the whole election debate. What’s the capital gains going to look like. Small businesses and farms and the productive economy having their earnings taken to an undeclared percentage and gifted to students to attend uni. When uni needs a relook as students coming out then having to do unpaid internships because the degree didn’t prepare them for paid work. More money to units to promote social justice globalised thinking.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:48am
- KevOB
  
  That what MMP has brought: anyone can get on a party list. However the union movement has captured Parliamentary Labour leadership.
  
  The risk is return to the 50’s.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:58am
oldpark

Heard M/s Ardern talk about Intergenerational change. That means people born around the same time as her,and heading for middle age.
She seems to think she is in the teeny bopper category,even though that generation is not hers.
The only clue to her claim of Intergenerational change is which generation her Sociopathic Liebour- party can deceive.
Bribing students for their votes without telling them Liebour’s hidden agenda,to get their vote,and then screw them later on with a CGT.is a breach trust.If she was trying to woo that generation,she has deceived them.
The generation she is a part off is circa middle age,and the deceit for that generation is the same as for the trusting students the hidden agenda,give us your vote,so we can ambush you after the election with a CGT,that could crucify most voters.
Deceit and lies are no problem for the corrupt Lie-bour party. A plus for them with the hidden agenda for votes and GST ,is the voters have also had a wake up call with Lie-bours Twelve Billion Dollar potential financial mismanagement of the NZ economy.They truly are the smoke and mirror corrupt Lie-bour mafias.
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September 5, 2017 8:26am
- Richard
  
  Hell, I was born around the same time as her and I’m not voting for her!
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:44am
  - Longknives
    
    Annoys the crap out of me that she always talks about ‘My Generation’ (i:e Students/Young Graduates etc)
    She’s only a few years younger than me!
    Sorry Jacinda- Just because you like to ‘drop some beats’ as DJ at a Party and you claim to ‘love Hip Hop’ doesn’t make you young and cool. You are pushing 40 lady!
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:03am
- sooty
  
  I would say at 37yrs old she is middle aged!
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    She would be in Pakistan.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:52am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Dead if a pre 1840 maori
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:46am
  - howitis
    
    Soundbite Cindy is ‘middle aged’.
    She is at the median age point in NZ therefore is correctly middle aged.
    
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nz.html
    Median age:
    total: 37.8 years
    male: 36.9 years
    female: 38.7 years (2016 est.)
    country comparison to the world: 63
    
    Put another way, if you have not got your life sorted at 40 you probably never will.
    Extending adolescence to 24 or 25 y.o. does not help.
    37 is not young despite too many fluffing around getting going in life.
    
    Keith Holyoake left school at 12
    Norm Kirk the same.
    They got on with it.
    They had significant life skills by 20.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:10am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Soundbite Cindy.
      
      And with those teeth its a bloody big bite.
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:55am
- Chris R
  
  I am unsure about this; but is”inter-generational” change just jargon words for getting old? My concern for those who see merit in Jacinda is their apparently early on-set dementia.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:56am
lifesgood

I loved it when English told Paddy ” this is not an auction, it’s an election,”
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September 5, 2017 8:30am
- Gabby
  
  Then again he bid 100,000 fewer poor kids likesfood.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:03pm
Tauhei Notts

Four months or so ago I visited The Standard blog site.
What got me was the desperation in the comments there. They were lead by a politician who bore a marked resemblance to a butcher’s chopping board. They had no hope, polling in the low twenties.
But now it is early September and I detect a similar line of desperation here on Kiwiblog.
Politics; I love it. Things can change so quickly.
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September 5, 2017 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Now their leader is the chopping instrument.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:54am
- SGA
  
  Tauhei Notts
  
  But now it is early September and I detect a similar line of desperation here on Kiwiblog.
  
  I find it hard to tell, to be honest. As far I can recall, Kiwiblog became increasingly tribal and feral as the last election loomed as well. Not surprising – it comes with the territory, I guess.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:14am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Possibly right. I was one of those tribal and feral posters as Krim Dot Con and Nicky Hager got my blood to boiling point three years ago.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:01am
oldpark

Heard M/s Ardern put the boot into the Australians last night,on trans Tasman agreements .Her present mentor Helen Clark did a back door deal against NZs in 2001.
Lie-bours Ardern should be careful what she says,to win a few votes by threatening the Australians.
How would we all like,”get to the back of the Queue Kiwis” and cancel your easy access to Australia. Apply for Visas like the rest of the world. Of course we could do the same to them,accept who would have the most to lose.
Lest we or Ardern overlook that Fact,be careful what you threaten.
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September 5, 2017 8:41am
- Nookin
  
  Adds weight to the view that Chippy had the backing of the labour party when trying to sabotage Bnby Joyce
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:56am
Richard

I just read Mike Yardleys OP in the Press. Very good.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96473226/mike-yardley-labour-and-ardern-big-on-rhetoric-short-on-substance

Especially this bit:
“Ardern should either commit to imposing a capital gains tax in her first term, and outline its scope, or commit to delaying any such imposition until it’s been put to the people at the next election. Kicking for touch via the taxation review not only looks gutless, but is gutless. And shifty.”
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September 5, 2017 8:41am
- KevOB
  
  J. keeps on shifting to housing on any mention of CGT. She claimed last night that all she wanted to do was fix housing. She has no idea of the global economic forces affecting interest rates.
  
  There seem to be big voids in her mind.
  Without a script she has nothing.
  
  Is jacinderalla a union puppet?
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:13am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:11am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Who lixpu?
      You lick pu, Grubby – an obvious coprophagia diet.
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:59am
      - Gabby
        
        Cheers donkey wee.
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:17pm
- Muttonbird
  
  The polls must be looking terrible if the Nats are now attacking JA directly.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:03am
  - Happychappy
    
    Muttonhead If you want to hold others to the truth it help if your standards are the same. Labour had 9 years to work out what taxes were needed to pay for their Policies so don’t lie about it and tell the country before the Election.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:46am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    About time, she has been given the kid glove treatment long enough.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:22am
Lance

The AM show had a belly laugh at Jacinda saying she doesn’t lie.
Her and George Washington
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September 5, 2017 8:45am
- fluffykiwi
  
  I remember one of the endings to that joke.
  Father why did you punish me when you have told me to always tell the truth like George Washington. I told you that I pushed the privy into the river.
  Answer – George Washington wasn’t in the Privy.
  
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  September 5, 2017 3:17pm
cubit

No discussion on the Trade Union agenda. It is scary. The main point being that the cloth caps will be the real power in the party. Hello Andy!
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September 5, 2017 8:46am
niggly

Well we know previously from Phil Twyford and Andrew Little that Labour have a problem with home-buyers with “Asian sounding names”… well now we know last night from Jacinda Ardern that Labour appear to have a problem with “Australian Kiwi’s” undertaking free education learning in NZ.

Now this shows how immature Jacinda Ardern is for both the Labour leadership and potentially NZ prime ministership.

Whilst it’s “easy to sheet blame” to the Aussie government (on charging NZ’ers for education in Oz), it’s another thing altogether to then retaliate and cause collateral damage to innocent Australian Kiwi’s living in NZ (who have nothing whatsoever to do with the Aussie govt stance), and not only that, limit the education and learning potential of Australian Kiwi’s which will affect their contribution to the NZ economy, the very thing that Labour is wishing to improve (education and employment)!

This is another fail for Jacinda, and I’m surprised the MSM haven’t picked up on this very much (apart from mentioning is passing)!

Gee if I were an Australian Kiwi, with kids, I’d be worried about voting Labour! If this is what they think now, what worse things will Labour threaten in the future?

Then I wonder which other nationalities Labour will offend next or risk a foreign affairs backlash? Then to make it worse Labour is essentially attacking new immigrants that consider themselves Kiwi’s! I thought Labour cared alot about immigrants?
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September 5, 2017 8:48am
- MCos
  
  At least they’ve got a vote. Kiwis in Australia don’t.
  
  Australians can come here and, as of right, gain pretty much all the benefits of being a Kiwi citizen including free education, hospital visits, welfare payments etc. Bit different for Kiwis going over there & because they also don’t have a vote can assert no political pressure.
  If Oz pulls free education for Kiwis it will be very difficult for a government here to retaliate in kind without making huge changes to the status of all permanent residents.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:17am
  - Happychappy
    
    No one forced them to go live in Australia, they went for a so called better life and because they had gutsful of the nanny state Helen Clark forced on them. Why should the Government use tax payers money to go defend people that did not wish to contribute to our Country.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:53am
    - MCos
      
      I agree that if you bugger off to some other country you can hardly expect the NZ government to wade in on your behalf over matter such as this.
      By the way. I moved over to Bangkok in the nineties. Neither myself nor another other expats I knew did so as some sort of protest about the way the country was being run. Otherwise Thailand would be the last place to go.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:23pm
      - Happychappy
        
        MCos: Like now with National voters packing a sad about what given to Maori and National being Labourlite.The people left this country by the thousands and their excuse was Helen Clark and the nanny state policy of light bulbs and showerheads. So like now the media wanted the Government changed and used these problems as leverage.
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:44pm
krazykiwi

What a bitter, partisan debate analysis from jennifer lees-marshment on Red Radio.

Apparently Jacinda was funny, connected with the audience .. while .. Bill was aloof, and talked I, I, I
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September 5, 2017 9:02am
- niggly
  
  Twitter is our/her friend! She supports and promotes Labour and a quick look shows retweets from bitter hard-leftie wackos like Stephanie Rodgers and Peter Aranyi, plus well known leftie luuvie Bryce Edwards!
  
  ‘Nuff said and brickbats to Radio NZ for trotting out leftie after leftie to give comment and analysis this morning – where’s the diversity of opinion?!! 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/jleesmarshment?lang=en
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:09am
lifesgood

Since we seem to have all the rostered labourites on here this morning I would like one of them to explain why they support labour. I’m serious. Just explain why. I am sure many here on in would find it interesting.
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September 5, 2017 9:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  Is it because Cindy is just sooooo positive. She says things that feel nice, and everyone is going to have a home after Liarbor tax all the rich pricks who have all our money. //
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:25am
- lifesgood
  
  Ha ha, I put that comment up 50 minutes ago and not a dicky bird. They’ve all diappeared. Maybe they are consulting Helen for an answer, or maybe they are just clueless. More likely the support Labour because they are incredibly jealous of the “rich pricks” who have worked extremely hard to be successful.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:52am
  - waikatogirl
    
    lifesgood, it’s hard for them to put their feelings into words ???
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:44am
- ex-golfer
  
  Because, because……vision…..and feels…..unicorns…..and rainbows.
  And vision.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:43am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    “Let me be clear on that”
    
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    September 6, 2017 1:54pm
Inandout

Cam is rooting for Jacinda on his radio clip. I think he is playing devil’s advocate and (plus his attacks on Paula) it just makes his blog even more unimportant.
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September 5, 2017 9:04am
- oldpark
  
  Cam or WO has become a has been blogger or never was. Time he went home thecountry where he comes from Fiji.At least being born there, gives him an advantage,he could take lessons from the boss of Fiji.An alleged dictator called,Bainimarama.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:22am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Last night he told Mitch Harris on Radio Live that as much as it pained him to admit it, English won the debate.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:29am
- VicParking
  
  Who’s WO. Oh thats right the psychotic husband of SB.
  
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  September 5, 2017 3:09pm
oldpark

Listening to the NZ HERALDs anti National Government radio news .Especially the sicko Newstalk ZB. Their news today putting the boot into National and Bill English,and their support for the novice Ardern ,beggars belief. Maybe she was the only one who was at last nights TV3 debate,sounds that way.
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September 5, 2017 9:08am
- KevOB
  
  Jacinda is showing as a union front. Back to the communist 50’s.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:33am
- oldpark
  
  Just to confirm the point made about NewstalkZBs complete bias against Bill English and National ,listen to her getting another explanation ,on the phantom child care fantacy. How about parental neglect.That soundbite will go with the other 23 soundbites broadcast today in her favour by NewstalkZB. For Bill English Nil.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:38am
BeaB

No-one has mentioned that the audience last night was actually laughing at Ardern because of her flowery but empty rhetoric.
She reminds me of the earnest schoolgirl who thinks all the solutions are obvious and easy. Yet after 9 years on a fat salary in parliament. she still hasn’t got a grasp on policy or money.
What has she been doing all that time?
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September 5, 2017 9:11am
- sooty
  
  Nothing!
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:33am
- ex-golfer
  
  She did put forward two members bills – unfortunately both of them were so poorly drafted that they didn’t even make it past first reading and into select committee.
  Oh…..and she lost twice in Auckland Central.
  
  There seems to be a pattern developing with Labour leaders not being able to win electorate seats.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:45am
PaulP

Biggest bullshit political comment that no-one has yet challenged is Ardern saying she got into politics because of child poverty.

She was elected in 2008 after nine years of Labour government. So is she saying Helen Clark made child poverty so bad in that nine years she decided to stand for parliament.

Must have been all those starving kiddies in Morrinsville she served at the chippie and University when she was a student politician.
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September 5, 2017 9:12am
- sooty
  
  After coming out off Heluns office. Where she was assisting to create the poverty! Airhead!
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:29am
waikatogirl

Quote from Mark Richardson (TV3):

To those planning to vote for Jacindamania, “Just make sure you are not a moth flying toward the moon. Are all her promises achievable?”
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September 5, 2017 9:14am
- Richard
  
  Or if you have any money or assets at all or work for a living…moth to the flame.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:24am
Manolo

Just in case terror dares to strike:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-army-hold-drill-simulating-war-hezbollah-202545766.html

Israel’s army will begin Tuesday a massive exercise simulating conflict with Lebanese movement Hezbollah in the country’s north, military sources said, in what would be the largest drill in nearly two decades.
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September 5, 2017 9:21am
- mandk
  
  Shalom Eretz Ysrael!
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:10am
  - Lance
    
    Thanks for that mandk
    Been many moons since I have heard (read) that saying.
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:36am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Here you go in Hebrew. Read it right to left.
      
      שלום ארץ ישראל
      
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      September 6, 2017 1:51pm
Huevon

Is it just me, or does Grant Robertson have one of those smug, smarmy faces that begs for a fist to be buried in it?

I can’t help how I feel. I was born this way.
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September 5, 2017 9:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  I don’t condone punching him Huevon but I get what you’re saying. He just knows so much, with no doubt in his own unproven abilities.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:32am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I suspect it would be like hitting a bowl of uncooked bread dough.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:45am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes a real counterfeit Finance Minister,rushed into the job,only because the bully David Parker ,who put the boot into the farmers if they were against the threatened water tax,of which one of the farmers would be up for at least a $20,000 Water bill.
    NZs are certainly in for a belt tightening way of life,if the crazy Sociopath Liebour/Green mafias,take the money from the do everything, keeping NZ going,to give it to the do nothings,hellbent on destroying our rockstar economy.Time for the real backbone of NZ the farming community,gets out and votes big time for National..
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:10am
- dime
  
  hes greasy! someone send him some clarins or something.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Hubby Alfalfa would know all about that.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No it’s not just you Huevon. That goofy grin he does after each stupid question he asks in Parliament is an invitation for a bunch of fives. The man makes me sick,
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:40am
  - tf78
    
    I bet he was one of those little “tell tale” kids when he was at school.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  Huevon. I don’t have the same urge as you (I’d rather stay the hell away from Robbo), but I won’t be judgmental.
  
  If you self-identify as a Robbo-face-puncher then who are we to deny you your aspirations?
  
  The taxpayer (and maybe even your employer) surely has the obligation to bring Robbo to your house at least weekly so that you can do what you need to do to feel a full and complete person.
  
  No matter what the haters say, listen to your inner truth!
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:45am
- Muttonbird
  
  That’s called homophobia. You can get pills for it.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:06am
  - Lance
    
    Is that what you were told when you paid for yours?
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nah, being a homosexual isn’t the reason Robbo is a smug annoying Liarborite ?
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:13pm
- Gabby
  
  Like Jeery Browneye you mean? Or Pricksmith’s rubby wee tomato face?
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:19am
- Duxton
  
  I saw what you did there. Using the words ‘Grant Robertson’ and ‘fist’ in the same sentence.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:27am
dime

Dime checked out the herald and stuff.

apparently professor leftie mcshithead from massey thought jacinda won…

thats the guy, who works for a place who are going to get a shit ton of money if jacinda wins…

if Jacinda was promising to make Dimes products free to the public, which would mean a shit ton more stock going out the door, Dime would also say “oh jacinda won! isnt she wonderful”
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September 5, 2017 9:32am
- cmm
  
  Oh Dime, do you really work for a living? How boring…
  
  Come on, selfie time everyone!
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:39am
  - waikatogirl
    
    dime works for now, wait till the unions get involved in his business.
    
    My sympathy to all NZ businesses if Liarbor get elected.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:47am
    - dime
      
      waikatogirl – it will be ineteresting.
      
      not sure sales reps have a union?
      
      Warehouse staff may be pulled into it?
      
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      September 5, 2017 9:55am
      - Colville
        
        dime.
        They have said that the union agreement will include all independent contractors. So pretty much anyone with some get up and go who is happy to work for commission is going to be put under a collective agreement.
        I have no idea how that would work!
        Dont make any sales and still get paid?
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:19pm
      - Ross12
        
        Labour will make sure your sales reps are put into a union Dime.
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:21pm
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin envious. nobody’s backing his used condom business.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:20am
krazykiwi

This is the reason Unions are salivating, lined up behind Andy: Work Stoppages 1986 – 2014, look at the chart on page 2.

Industrial relations are the the most harmonious they’ve ever been. And the country has been well managed. It’s been good!

There’s only one direction this chart is heading if Labour takes us back to the 70’s.
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September 5, 2017 9:44am
- Paulus
  
  If Cindy gets in she will be in for a shock as the Unions, led by the Deputy Prime Minister Angry Andy, put the union’s work into place.
  She will be succoured.
  
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  September 5, 2017 2:03pm
- KevOB
  
  50’s
  
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  September 5, 2017 2:20pm
Morrissey

Is this poor bloke bewildered or just mean?

Warning: the supportive comments beneath this bloke’s plaintive query are even sadder, even more addled….

“Who invented this ‘child poverty’ bullshit anyway?”

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/general_debate_5_september_2017.html#comment-2012588

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYDtjLSu4k
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September 5, 2017 9:52am
simpleton1

The irony of truth, and repetition.
The greatest virtue signal of spending 🙂

Big Norm
By: Don Wilson, Stefan Brown, 1973
Performed: Ebony

Take my money, take my wife
Steal my needs for an everyday life
Take my house and take my all day long
But please Norm baby won’t you leave me my song.

The country is in jeopardy, the land is astralt(?)
Inflations running and the kids they want to fight
Hey Norm baby when you gonna see the light
Help me sing my song, make it alright

Chorus
A man of great labour is our big Norm
A man of social credit is our big Norm
A great national figure is our big Norm
The hero of the communist big Norm

Norman is the fairy on our Christmas tree
Handing out goodies to the elderly
Giving all his wisdom to the old and young
Come on everybody now, let it be sung.

**Labour *?*??**labour changes*?? labour shine?**

Chorus:-

Norman’s king of New Zealand.
Land of lambs, big fat lambs.
Norman rules with an iron hand.
And thoughts as pure as snow.

Norman is a ball of fun
He’s our chum, dum dum dum
Every place where Norman comes.
A flock is sure to show.

He was a big men yesterday
But boy you want to see him now

Chorus
A man of great labour is our big Norm
A man of social credit is our big Norm
A great national figure is our big Norm
The hero of the communist is our big Norm
e&oe

Ebony were really honouring that Norm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJv_DfMZ7jU
We have been there, spent all the money,, done that.!
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September 5, 2017 10:03am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
THE AUCKLAND HOUSING CRISIS WORSENS … INTEREST CO NZ & MACROBUSINESS AUSTRALIA

The Auckland housing crisus … worsens … what are the net nwew builds less demolitions ? …

Latest figures suggest that the Auckland house building market is going to need a whole lot more than words and political posturing | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89663/latest-figures-suggest-auckland-house-building-market-going-need-whole-lot-more-words

By David Hargreaves

In the run-up to the September 23 election, one good piece of news for the current Government is that the next monthly building consents figures are not due out till six days after the election.

I reckon that’s good news for National, because the building consents figures themselves might not be so good at all.

As Westpac economists pointed out this week in a nice summary of where we are in respect of house building, “annual dwelling consent numbers have essentially flatlined at just over 10,000 since the start of this year”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Population ponzi overruns Auckland dwellings … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/population-ponzi-overruns-auckland-dwellings/

By Leith van Onselen

With the General Election to be held on 23 September, New Zealand’s National Government remains under heavy pressure for failing to address the country’s worsening housing shortage, especially in Auckland.

Last week’s dwelling consents data from Statistics New Zealand revealed that dwelling consents across country in July continued to fall well short of population growth, with just 30,404 dwellings consented over the year and a weak trend present: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… 9 years on … this sure is boring …

… Note the comments on the thread …

National says new ‘fit for purpose’ urban planning laws separate from RMA would encourage more responsive planning and faster development | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89658/national-says-new-fit-purpose-urban-planning-laws-separate-rma-would-encourage-more

National has pledged to introduce new “fit-for-purpose” urban planning laws separate from the RMA, which they claim will encourage more responsive planning and lead to faster development.

The ACT Party leader David Seymour has accused National of pinching ACT policies, saying this announcement is “a belated concession that the housing market is not all peaches and cream, and that fundamental reform of planning laws is necessary”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 5, 2017 10:03am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NZ Government too late the hero on housing supply – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/nz-government-late-hero-housing-supply-2/
  
  … concluding …
  
  … National can bang on about boosting supply all it wants and continue to fail to fix the problem. Because with at least 14,000 new homes needing to be actually built (not consented) in the city each year – more than double the current build rate – Blind Freddy can see that the housing situation in Auckland will continue to worsen as dwelling supply falls well short of rapid immigration-fueled population growth. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:22am
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    It could take a few years before new urban planning rules for delivering more affordable housing are in place, Bill English says; Labour says move is an admissiona of failed settings these past 9 years | interest.co.nz
    
    http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89668/it-could-take-few-years-new-urban-planning-rules-delivering-more-affordable-housing
    
    It will likely take a few years to consult, work through and legislate for the new urban planning laws National is eyeing to speed up the building of more affordable housing, according to Prime Minister Bill English.
    
    This is despite a blueprint already existing in the form of the Productivity Commission’s 500-page report on urban planning released earlier this year. While that report will provide the backbone for proposals to separate urban planning from the Resource Management Act (RMA), English said the “few years” timeframe would be required to find consensus on how to overhaul city planning systems.
    
    You can read more on the Productivity Commission’s report here. See its comments specifically on Auckland here. And watch a video interview with Commission chairman Murray Sherwin on urban planning here. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    September 5, 2017 10:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      There’s Affordable Housing for sale now.
      Why isn’t it selling?
      The market is soft.
      If there was a crisis, why isn’t there a shortage of stock?
      Plenty of cheap houses for sale in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
      I’m not sure there’s a crisis at all.
      Where’s all the people who can’t find houses to live in?
      I don’t see tent cities out there.
      
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      September 5, 2017 10:39am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Auckland housing was in crisis in 2007/8 according to John Key when housing was about 6.4 times annual household incomes … watch and weep …
        
        PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        I explained it recently in the NZ Herald … Auckland at 10 Median Multiple sure is a housing lunatic asylum …
        
        Sleeping pods advertised as $200 Auckland apartments – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11913700
        
        … extract …
        
        … But within half an hour the agent called back to say the ad had been removed and the viewing was cancelled.
        
        Hugh Pavletich, co-founder of the Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys, said the appearance of the pods to rent was symptomatic of Auckland’s over-inflated housing market.
        
        Auckland housing now cost 10 times household income, Pavletich said.
        
        “This is further evidence of how ridiculous the Auckland housing situation has got. When this government came in in 2008, Auckland housing was 6.4 times household income. When Nick Smith was appointed in early 2013 it was 6.7 times household incomes. Today it is 10 times.
        
        “We’re going to see these nonsense solutions, when what we need to see desperately is actual affordable housing being built.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Fairfax reported March …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/the-nz-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-labour-polling
        
        Extensive further information at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … particularly the GONE GONE GOING section and the 5 Important Graphs near the top.
        
        It is essential to get rid of this National – ed Government 23 September … with its deceit and incompetence.
        
        Enough is enough.
        
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        September 5, 2017 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hugh,
        You suggesting Labour has the ability to fix this just shows how little you know.
        Sure the Nats have stuffed it up but Labour clearly doesn’t have the ability to solve this.
        They have no idea.
        
        Oh and stop link whoring to your own site you bludging jerk.
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:01pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red … Following 13 Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys ( http://www.demographia.com ), it is remarkable to me how you STILL appear to have difficulty getting your head around the importance of housing being at or below 3.0 times annual household incomes (median multiples).
        
        Back August last year Paul Henry and Tony Field explained it at Newshub …
        
        Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
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        .
        In every Demographia Survey over recent years and on the front page of my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org is a clear structural definition of an affordable housing market …
        
        DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET
        
        For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
        
        The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
        
        Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
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        These artificially created housing bubbles … institutional failure at the local level … are just lethal … as I explained a few years back within …
        
        New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00166/new-zealands-bubble-economy-is-vulnerable-hugh-pavletich.htm
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hugh
        What is truly amazing is how thick you are.
        The average Gross annual wage in Auckland for households is probably $120k
        So three times that is $360,000.
        Even if it’s $150 that’s $450k
        You’re a moron if you think a House can be provided for that. In Auckland- elsewhere like Chch yes.
        And you’re even more of a moron if you think structural change could ever occur to get that to happen in Auckland.
        House prices will NEVER fall that far.
        Give it up, you’re asking for the impossible.
        Not that you ever provide any solutions. Just criticise.
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/nz-government-late-hero-housing-supply-2/#comment-2948424 … with other items …
        
        Not another Nick Smith wild goose chase | NZ Labour Party | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1709/S00037/not-another-nick-smith-wild-goose-chase.htm
        
        Not another Nick Smith wild goose chase
        
        Only the election on September 23 can save the country and the RMA from Nick Smith, say Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford and Environment spokesperson David Parker.
        
        Phil Twyford says, “National’s announcement of a new urban planning law is an admission that after a decade of blaming the RMA for expensive housing they have failed to fix the problem.
        
        “Nick Smith’s constant tinkering with the RMA has only made it more complicated and cumbersome. National has been blaming the RMA and Councils for expensive housing but they failed to do the two things that would actually make housing more affordable. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:18pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Enough is enough.’
        
        Said it yourself Hugh
        
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        September 5, 2017 1:24pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at …
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/nz-government-late-hero-housing-supply-2/#comment-2948438 … with other posts …
        
        Hugh Pavletich
        
        September 5, 2017 at 11:31 am
        
        Schillers … Thanks for your comments.
        
        Historically Labour has always been the Party of reform .
        
        In contrast the Tories (National) constantly talk the talk … but dont walk the walk in this country.
        
        We need a branch of Maggie Thatcher’s firm for the spineless Tories in this country. Apparently she called it ‘Rent A Spine’.
        
        … Pavletich in response to Schillers on the MacroBusiness Australia article thread above …
        
        Schillers
        
        September 5, 2017 at 9:59 am
        
        Great posts as always Hugh. It’s interesting that NZ seems to be finally coming to the party on urban planning laws, more responsive planning to facilitate faster development to speed up the supply of affordable housing.
        
        Nothing much is happening on this front in Oz.
        
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        September 5, 2017 2:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        There’s Affordable Housing for sale now.
        Why isn’t it selling?
        The market is soft.
        If there was a crisis, why isn’t there a shortage of stock?
        Plenty of cheap houses for sale in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
        I’m not sure there’s a crisis at all.
        Where’s all the people who can’t find houses to live in?
        I don’t see tent cities out there.
        Good to see National take action though to increase supply.. Their ability is more credible than Labours will ever be.
        
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        September 5, 2017 2:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        THE CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE RECOVERY DISASTER … EXCESS COSTS ABOUT $NZ 25 BILLION DUE TO INSTITUTIONAL FAILURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL …
        
        Back June 2011 … soon after the 1st major Christchurch earthquake 4 September 2010 and the 2nd 22 February 2011 I wrote …
        
        OPINION: Hugh Pavletich accuses Christchurch City Council of blindness, blunders and chain dragging; calls for effective leadership, ‘open land’ policy and bendy zoning. Your view? | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53947/opinion-hugh-pavletich-accuses-christchurch-city-council-blindness-blunders-and-chain-
        
        Near 7 years to the day of the 1st event, the Christchurch earthquake events will likely cost around $NZ50 billion when they should have cost about half that … all because of dysfunctional urban governance and planning.
        
        I February 2012 a 4,500 strong Peoples Protest was held and the key issues were spelt out a few months later within …
        
        Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm
        
        There is much to be learned from Houston … The Resilient City.
        
        The evidence is staring us in the face.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red …
        
        Margaret Thatcher Quotes (Author of The Downing Street Years)
        
        https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/198468.Margaret_Thatcher
        
        I’m taking Maggie Thatcher’s advice and voting for Jacinda on the 23rd …
        
        “In politics, If you want anything said, ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman.”
        ― Margaret Thatcher
        
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        September 5, 2017 7:14pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … ESSENTIAL READING … In case you have missed these …
      
      … Houston’s Hurricane Harvey recovery …. Culture is key …
      
      HURRICANE HARVEY: A VIEW FROM A RUGGED COMMUNITARIAN … LEO LINBECK … NEW GEOGRAPHY
      
      http://www.newgeography.com/content/005730-hurricane-harvey-a-view-a-rugged-communitarian
      
      • by Leo Linbeck III
      
      Narratives are not necessarily built on facts; they’re built on stories, pictures, graphics, and videos. Ideally, we want our narratives to be aligned with the facts; but that doesn’t always happen.
      
      Here is a synthesis of some of the predictable narratives being spun in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Harvey from such places as The Washington Post, Slate, The Guardian, Newsweek and NPR: … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      • Leo Linbeck III is a husband, father of 5, CEO of Aquinas Companies, Executive Chairman of Linbeck Group, a Houston-based institutional construction firm, Founder and Chairman of Fannin Innovation Studio, a biomedical startup studio, and Lecturer at Stanford Graduate School of Business. He was also the Founding Chairman, and is currently the Vice Chairman, of the Center for Opportunity Urbanism, a Houston-based think tank.
      
      Is Houston Still a Model City? Its Supporters Aren’t Backing Down … the New York Times
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/upshot/is-houston-still-a-model-city-its-supporters-arent-backing-down.html
      
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      September 5, 2017 3:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        There’s Affordable Housing for sale now.
        Why isn’t it selling?
        The market is soft.
        If there was a crisis, why isn’t there a shortage of stock?
        Plenty of cheap houses for sale in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
        I’m not sure there’s a crisis at all.
        Where’s all the people who can’t find houses to live in?
        I don’t see tent cities out there.
        Good to see National take action though to increase supply.. Their ability is more credible than Labours will ever be.
        
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        September 5, 2017 6:28pm
Gravyman2

Jacinda. More visions than a hippy on acid….
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September 5, 2017 10:11am
RF

Labours Airhead reminds me of the terrible Sally Ridge. A skinny vacuum with no substance – mutton dressed up as lamb as in spite of what she is trying to portray to the youth voters she is no teeny bopper.

I thought Bill was very good last night in spite of Paddy trying to trip him up. Compared with the first debate this was streets ahead. Interesting that Cindy was attacking Bill this morning and playing catchup so he obviously hit some raw nerves.

After the debate I had listened to tripe from Marcus Lush until I gave up in disgust. What a rude prick. I turned on Smally at 5 to hear that she was virtually ignoring the debate.

It was a breath of fresh air to hear Mike Hosking at 6am. He summed it up very well.
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September 5, 2017 10:14am
Digmen1

I do wish people would stop talking about Child Poverty and go to India, Nigeria and the Philpines and see kids living on rubbish tips!

All I see is children out and about going to McDonalds and getting obese!

And I do resent paying taxes to fund people living on the dpb with lots of children.

If you cant afford to look after your children don’t have them!
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September 5, 2017 10:15am
- Gabby
  
  You’ll be happy when you don’t have to go there won’t you.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:23am
- GoVege
  
  I resent supporting 10 + kids per solo mum on the DPB too, Dig.
  DNA ’em and make the dads pay!
  That’s what God put fellas there for.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:15pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s not a bad idea GoVege. Good luck with getting that accepted though. Protection of the feral deadbeat sperm donors is paramount over the rights of their children being born into probable hardship.
    No worries, the taxpayer is there to pick up the care and responsibility of their unwanted offspring.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:30pm
- lifesgood
  
  Go to Sylvia Park any weekend and see the “poor” of south Auckland shopping. The place is positively heaving with them.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:31pm
  - MCos
    
    How did you know I’m poor?
    
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    September 5, 2017 2:04pm
Digmen1

Everyone knows that with people living longer Super is going to cost us all more and be unaffordable.

At least National had the balls to increase the age to 67 (and give people 20 years notice!)

Yes, it would be nice to re-start payments to the Cullen fund, but it would also be nice to paydown our government debt. (Whatever it is! – no one seems to know or care)
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September 5, 2017 10:19am
- rangitoto
  
  This site is quite useful:
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/government-debt-to-gdp
  
  This one is a bit more scary:
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
  
  Oh well. A trillion isn’t what it used to be.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:33am
  - cmm
    
    Problem though is the old saying:
    
    If USA gets a cold, NZ gets double pneumonia.
    
    We are dependent on trade and many of our trading partners are deep in the shit with no hope of getting out.
    
    The USA does some dumb shit with home loans and next thing we have a GFC.
    
    We need the team that can work through problems like that.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:11am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      We already have that team, it is ready to go in the blue corner
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:28pm
- GoVege
  
  Just means test it like Oz does and we don’t need to raise the age!
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:11pm
Digmen1

I was pleased that the two polls run by Stuff and the Herald both had Bill English on 51% in the debate last night.
And both polls had about 60,000 replies!

The people know who won the debate – stuff the politcal experts, with their bias.
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September 5, 2017 10:21am
Anne Glen Eden

The most evident feature of last night’s debate to me was that Bill English is a real person. Ardern is an image. Bill English knows the effect on real people of policy. Ardern is living inside her own head, speaking intellectual concepts and platitudes with no comprehension or care for the potential ‘victims’ of her ‘vision’.

Bill English said ‘I got up again’. That’s real. We all have to – we live it. Life is not ‘fair’ and life ‘happens’. We just have to keep walking – not give up. Ardern says the answer to a problem is ‘generational change’. Great. If your household is in trouble, from anything, just give up all responsibility and ask the ‘kids’ to deal with it. They have ‘vision’ – that’ll work. Yeah, right.

English’s statement about the tunnel was great. It has improved the daily lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Ardern will do nothing with ‘vision’ – and her road taxes will simply increase hardship on those who can least afford it – on every level.

English’s statements about the ‘boot camp’, likewise, were great. You’re talking about 150 of the worst, recidivist youth offenders in the country. The people have to be kept safe and the law has to act. There’s a choice – prison or an aspirational program. Doesn’t matter what theorists think of it. Which is it? Prison or program because Govt doesn’t have any other choice when they offend and victims suffer. Ardern had no answer – nothing.

Children in poverty. Labour presided over those children for nine years. They imposed GST of 10% – increase on every purchase of goods and services. In addition, they imposed health charges – $5 per item prescribed by a doctor. Did they eradicate ‘child poverty’ or make it worse? They made it seriously worse – and they have the cheek to criticise National.

Free education? I believe in it in principle. But for Ardern to be preaching it while claiming to champion child poverty is everything from deceitful to naive. As English says, you’re going to take money from the poor and struggling to finance the children of the highest paid people in the country to become the next generation of the highest paid people in the country. The poor and struggling can be ground into the dust.

It is, to me, like the poor and struggling having to finance art galleries and opera for the ‘refined’ in society – those who also appreciate bizarre effigies of Nick Smith squatting over a glass of water (and have no conscience about spending the money to create and transport such ‘crap’) – the Red artist class with a supposed ‘conscience’ – who actually are just disturbed in my opinion.

The only thing Ardern didn’t waffle about with a ‘Miss World desire for world peace’ image, naive platitudes, or idyllic ‘visions’ for the naive young was abortion. Now there she is very clear.

Women should be encouraged to use abortion as contraception – not exercise responsibility around how they conceive children and why. Just destroy the foetus if it occurs – if that is your whim. The debate of this, also, as between secular and religious is totally false.

To those who desperately want a child, or even not desperately, finding yourself pregnant with ‘your child’ can range from a delight to sanctifying – for both mother and father. They are not told to consider ‘the foetus’ as a meaningless clump of cells which means nothing to anyone. Should they ‘lose’ that child, they are advised to grieve, have to grieve. It is a loss, and to many a traumatic one.

There is no difference in ‘the foetus’ where a child is unwanted. It’s a life, the ‘child’ of two people – and as such, deserves to be respected and treated as valid. Most of those who have abortions will go on to have children. They can be convinced at the time of an unwanted pregnancy that this ‘foetus’ is a meaningless clump of cells. Nothing is going to protect them from the later realisation that this is not the case – as they devotedly watch the growing development of ‘their child’ in the womb and do everything in their power to nurture and protect it. The conventional abortion debate is shallow, simplistic, and utterly devoid of real humanity for anyone involved. In reality, it has more in common with the issue of suicide than anyone’s ‘rights’.

Are there people out there mentally challenged enough to believe any politician doesn’t ‘lie’? Ardern claiming she’s completely unique – has never told a political ‘lie’ – and never will – is the biggest ‘lie’ of all. She is all image, all ‘conceptual’, all ‘intellectual’, all appeal to those who know no better or don’t want to.

Let alone being prepared to tax everyone, especially those struggling the most, to further the interests of the thriving (economically and socially) intellectual Left. She’s copying Corbyn in the UK, buying the student vote. The only thing missing is our version of Glastonbury – but then I suppose the Nick Smith caricature is the equivalent. Let’s just suck in all those rebellious youth and intelligentsia who think they’re superior to ordinary people and take/make the ‘ordinary people’ pay for their ideological whims and ‘visions’.

There’s no doubt in my mind who won the debate. It was, without question, Bill English. I might not always agree with what National does, but they are real people, acting for and with real people – not idyllic and naive conceptual images.
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- Digmen1
  
  Very well said.
  I hope all the lefties read that before they vote.
  
  Bill is a genuine caring family guy. Ok he stuffs up and hesitates sometimes. But he also has a very quick mind and a good grasp of detail.
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Both Paddy Gower and Lisa Owen obviously had a problem with Bill being the recipient of Nationals promised tax cuts in April 2018. They both questioned him on what he would be spending his $1000 on and whether he actually needed it.
    
    Rich pricks obviously shouldn’t be the recipient of the same tax cuts as everyone else.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:41pm
    - VicParking
      
      He should I said “this is the amount of tax I pay each year and $1k is piss all of it”
      
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      September 5, 2017 3:19pm
- GoVege
  
  Do you know what would help to solve the problem of abortion, Anne?
  If all the males who impregnate young women would take responsibility.
  You may have followed a recent court case where a man, now very wealthy, has refused to acknowledge his own child after many years.
  The rejected son rightly refers to the tremendous suffering that took place in this country for years, when young women and babies were abandoned by the babies’ fathers and forced to give birth alone and unsupported.
  I know one such child whose mother was forced to give her up and later committed suicide.
  Do you really want to visit more of this pain on others?
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:33am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Not more of this drivel, GoVege. We do not live in the 19th century or even the 50s – which were 60 years ago.
    
    Firstly, with a minimal number of exceptions, modern females choose to be impregnated – whether deliberately or by omission of their own action. They are ‘liberated’ and free to act, including without the consent of their parents irrespective of age.
    
    Secondly, ‘fathers’ have no say in the birth, or not, of ‘their children’ these days. None and nothing.
    
    Make up your mind. Do you want them to be responsible for the children they produce? Or is it all the mother’s ‘right’ and choice?
    
    The ‘modern’ situation is that women have ‘all care and no responsiblity’. According to you, they’re powerless, mindless, sexually enslaved zombies. They can get pregnant, or not, as a result of their desire for sex with anyone at all – and according to you, it’s all the father’s ‘fault’. Notwithstanding that the longsuffering taxpayer also has to foot the extensive ‘bill’ for their ‘freedom’. Poor. Little. Things.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:52am
    - mikenmild
      
      Quite keen on the false dichotomy, aren’t you Anne?
      
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      September 5, 2017 11:57am
    - GoVege
      
      Just love your loyalty to your own gender, Anne.
      No wonder women are oppressed over most of the planet.
      In any case, it takes TWO to tango.
      Why should some men get off scot-free as they have been doing for decades and let the good blokes pay for their selfishness?
      I do know quite a few women who have heaps of kids on the DPB and expect others to pay for them to be dragged up.
      Every one of them belongs to a sexist culture that demands females have babies starting as soon as possible after puberty and with no obligation on the dads to support or father them.
      It’s these backward ideas that make poor countries poor and are gradually impoverishing our own country.
      And yes, they are mostly powerless/mindless sexually-enslaved “zombies” as you say..or soon end up that way.
      It’s not ALL the fathers’ faults.
      A lot of it is the result of older women bullying younger ones to take the crap they endured and worse.
      
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      September 5, 2017 12:32pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      I agree with both Anne and Govege. I’m opposed to abortion, but the issue of men tacking responsibility that Govege raises is also a legitimate concern.
      
      That said both men and women are influenced by a cultural mindset and an economic/welfare system that encourages rabid individualism rather than family life.
      
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      September 5, 2017 12:41pm
    - MCos
      
      I’m suprised you’re not calling for compulsory FGM.
      
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      September 5, 2017 2:14pm
- howitis
  
  GST Facts
  Labour introduced GST to NZ in 1986. It was a little late as there was a lot to sort out.
  It was a rate of 10%.
  
  This was in the first term of Lange’s govt.
  They never mentioned it -or FBT- in the 1984 election campaign.
  
  3 years later in 1989 they raised the GST rate -without warning or campaigning, during their second term.
  They raised it +2.5% to 12.5%.
  21 years later National raised it by +2.5% to 15.0%.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:23pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yep spot on howitis. Tizard cried crocodile tears and banged on another 2.5% in the first 90 days without a warning, mandate or TWG. Nor was it tax neutral like the last increase from National. This is a big worry with so many undisclosed new tax details from Labour. Perhaps that is how they plan to fill the $11.7 billion gap they insist they don’t have?
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:07pm
Lance

Right…
That pathetic model of Nick Smith taking a dump.

That’s 5 year olds humour.. oh look a poop.. snigger snigger
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September 5, 2017 10:42am
- itstricky
  
  Just between you & me – I don’t think it is meant to be humourous.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:38am
- itstricky
  
  But you’re right – the last thing KB needs is more 5 year old’s humour.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:39am
- Duxton
  
  I saw that too. I’m thinking of taking my dog to Sam Mahon’s father’s grave, and letting him take a poop on it.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:40am
  - mikenmild
    
    That’ll teach him…
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:43am
  - Prince
    
    Only in a deeply meaningful political-statement kind of way, of course.
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:44am
    - itstricky
      
      Ah, the delicious and delectable dilemma of the 7 who upticked both Lance’s “5 Y.O ha ha poop snigger” and Duxton’s “poop on a grave”
      
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      September 5, 2017 2:31pm
  - Gabby
    
    He might do a statue of you taking a dump on a grave ducksie.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:05pm
- oldpark
  
  Hope they do the same for M/s Ardern preferably next to him.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:44am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    I don’t think she sits down to be fair.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:02pm
    - holysheet
      
      No her shit doesn’t stink either.
      
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      September 5, 2017 12:58pm
- Fletch
  
  They tried to do the same thing with Trump, remember? The naked Trump statues that were placed out in public to try and ridicule him.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:20pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I wonder who paid for it, chances are that the ‘artist’ didn’t make it for free.
  I am sure the Labour party will give him more commissions.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  The interesting thing is that these idiots never get it. The public do not nasty, uncalled for insults. The public didn’t last time with all the disgraceful carry on from the fat German and they won’t again. It will work against the idiots who thought it was a good idea.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:38pm
rangitoto

I see South Korea now talking about developing their own nukes. They have the tech expertise to do it easily without help from Russia and/or China. Next Japan.
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September 5, 2017 11:03am
- Digmen1
  
  I see that China does not want to impose more sanctions as it is unfair on China as it affects their trade!
  
  That is just their excuse for not wanting to do it. They back NK.
  
  China can easily do without NK’s trade. It trades with the whole world.
  
  SK, Japan and the USA need to blockade NK now.
  And ratchet up their defences. Send NK broke.
  
  Reagan and Thatcher did it to Russia and they collapsed.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:23am
  - mikenmild
    
    How did their blockade of Russia work?
    
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    September 5, 2017 11:27am
    - Digmen1
      
      They did not blockade Russia, they upped their spending on weapons to the point that Russia with its creaking communist system could not longer compete and they gave in.
      
      I’d blockade NK as something needs to be done very soon to bring Kim Jung Un to his knees/senses.
      
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      September 5, 2017 12:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Any blockade of North Korea would be ineffective unless supported by China and Russia.
        
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        September 5, 2017 12:34pm
  - VicParking
    
    Can’t do it as 90% of NK trade goes through China.
    
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    September 5, 2017 3:22pm
SteveRemmington

Poor delicate little Lizzie Marvelous is so conflicted.

After years championing women to be treated equally she is now reduced to whining on twitter that Bill was being mean to The Jassiah for interrupting her.
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September 5, 2017 11:10am
- BeaB
  
  I have been waiting for someone to moan that Jacinda is the victim of misogyny. It just had to be Lizzie.
  If you can’t play in the big kids’ sandpit, stay home with your dollies.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:30am
Manolo

For the upteenth time: Comrade Jacinda is all smoke and mirrors; all talk, no substance.
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September 5, 2017 11:12am
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t be mean to Cindy. She’s still upset about losing to Barbie.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:38am
  - Piniwi
    
    Don’t say that or there will be a rush of CINDY dolls for Christmas boxes.
    
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    September 5, 2017 9:13pm
- Happychappy
  
  Manolo:The only problem is no one wants to listen. The media have had her on most of the shows this morning heaping praise on their chosen one.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:46am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or commiserations due to being asked for detail.I am sure Bill has a firm grasp of the numbers.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:52pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The media are starting to laugh about Cindy’s insistence she is “relentlessly positive and transparent”, which in fact turns out instead to be opaque.
    
    Bill’s replies to Cindy that people can’t buy food with your values; and “feels good” doesn’t build much needed infrastructure, is starting to show holes in Liarbors electoral promises.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:55pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      As a woman I object hugely to Jacinda being treated differently to what a bloke would be.
      If it wasn’t what the left were trading on I would call it patronising, women should be embarrassed on her behalf and on their own behalf.
      
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      September 5, 2017 1:11pm
- howitis
  
  Soundbite Cindy seriously cemented as supreme Saviour of our Nation.
  
  Big Norm and Mickey Savage rolled into one, with lipstick.
  
  With the budgeting skills of Nash/Nordmeyer.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Budget_(New_Zealand)
  …. Nordmeyer’s colleagues were reluctant to cut government spending or break expensive election promises, so Nordmeyer was left with little option but to raise taxes…
  
  Sound familiar?
  Different century.
  Same socialism.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:02pm
  - mikenmild
    
    That would be the same socialism practised by every National government as well…
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:14pm
oldpark

Guess who takes over the biased Wellington Newstalk ZB Talkback slot programme from January 2018 .Barry Sopers missus .You know the flap, jaw pest who got fired from Newshub. She is from South Africa hates National Government,and will now be spouting out her hate vitriol,starting January. Goes under the name of mumble mumble ALLEN.Will be a sad day for Wellington listeners,and a great day for the music channel Magic,which broadcasts superb music songs from days gone bye.
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September 5, 2017 11:17am
- tf78
  
  We’re on the “breeze” from midday till four nowadays.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:37pm
- Ross12
  
  Who is she replacing oldpark?
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:45pm
  - Manolo
    
    It seems Tim Fookes is moving on.
    
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    September 5, 2017 12:54pm
    - Ross12
      
      That’s not good news. Tim has been really good.
      
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      September 5, 2017 4:24pm
GoVege

Just heard a Pacifica guy on 1ZB saying how his mum used to send their benny money to the islands.
Maybe it’s about time vouchers were issued instead of cash.
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September 5, 2017 11:21am
- Digmen1
  
  And 10% to their church!
  
  Its time some of those huge PI families were sent back to the PIs.
  
  They contribute very little to NZ.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:25am
  - Gabby
    
    Don’t they pay rent dicman?
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    I disagree that they contribute little, Digmen.
    Pacifica people have an amazing work ethic.
    It is shameful in their culture not to have a job.
    But I strongly suspect quite a few claim bennies as well due to the demands from relies at home.
    Most of them are very nice, generous people.
    Just they have some entrenched power imbalances and bad habits such as abusing wives.
    It’s very hard to challenge these behaviours because like in most non-western cultures, independent thought is discouraged.
    Tradition is sacred, such as serving up mountains of food at every meal, even though the result is an epidemic of diabetes.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:47pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Vege, Our PI case managers are often accused of being palangi, when they deny food assistance to PI clients, because they’ve used their benefit money or wages towards the next donation be it to the church, a funeral,or a wedding.
  
  Another common occurrence amongst married couples is that one of the adults, usually the make, returns back to the islands for a funeral and stays there over the 28 day period (within a year) and then the benefit is suspended. Wife at home with kids can have hers resumed, however, has no access to her husbands share even before that 28 days and in my total of 8 years as a case manager, I have yet to come across 1 absentee parent, leave access to those funds so the wife can continue paying the rent in full and making sure there’s enough food. I’ve paid out plenty of rent arrears and food grants to the parent left behind. So wife accumulates a debt. Her share of the benefit reduces. Poverty ensues.
  
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  September 5, 2017 11:56am
  - GoVege
    
    It just about all comes down to male chauvinism, NW!
    Yes, I’ve known a few P I ladies waiting months for their husbands to come back from a trip to the islands.
    The older guys in particular are so full of themselves they don’t bother to ensure their wives and kids are OK.
    In any case, most Island women are virtual slaves.
    There is a lot of pressure on families to shell out huge amounts for weddings, funerals and church fees/donations.
    I attended a very flash Samoan wedding 2 years ago and was amazed to hear the mum of the bride describe it as “a nice little Samoan wedding”!
    It cost 50gs.
    Often the nephews and nieces are expected to contribute a couple of hundred a week from their pay for months to finance a wedding.
    All just to show off IMO.
    The males and the old people hold all the power.
    And unfortunately like in many sexist cultures, most of the older women have no sympathy for the younger ones.
    
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    September 5, 2017 2:23pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I am not familiar with the practice of fa’alavelave.
      Has fa’alavelave become distorted by the modern world and internationalization? For example, the noble custom of attending family deaths is all well and good when everyone lives locally, but can financially wreck a large family who has to travel internationally to attend the funeral.
      Who are the “winners” in fa’alavelave? Who are the “losers”? Does one class of Samoan society benefit more from fa’alavelave than another?
      Is it a good custom that has “gone bad”?
      
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      September 5, 2017 6:14pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        I think it’s a beautiful custom gone commercial. It’s now become a show of materialism and not family unity and sharing the load. (In my opinion)
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:28pm
  - KevOB
    
    How well is fa’asamoa known and appreciated at WINZ? The call for a contribution, fa’alavelave, is a ultra strong imperative that requires obedience.
    
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    September 5, 2017 2:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mumps outbreak now throughout NZ.
Main folks affected – PI adolescents.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/337926/auckland-mumps-outbreak-spreads-to-dunedin
Welcome to 3rd world NZ
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September 5, 2017 12:06pm
- Digmen1
  
  Sadly we bought them in in the 60’s and 70’s when we needed factory workers.
  
  Now in the modern automation world we do not, yet we still let them in.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:24pm
  - GoVege
    
    Who’s gonna look after our oldies in the rest homes and work in the factories?
    Most of these jobs are still done by Pacifica people.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:59pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson finds that he has to make a video to oppose the view of stupid leftists that “Orwell would have supported Antifa’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pih9QAA3Idc

Sorry, but lefties – you’re braindead.
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September 5, 2017 12:15pm
mandk

I love this from Stuff:

“A world wound up by North Korea’s H-bomb is pleasantly calmed by the news of a royal baby.”

We’re going to get nuked, but it ok because Kate is pregnant again. Yay!
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September 5, 2017 12:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps if Kim Jong-un were invited to be godfather to the new princeling everything would settle down.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:36pm
tf78

All_on_Red,
I owe you a million apologies, I meant to press reply and pressed report by mistake! I was just going to ask if you would like to change your name to All_On_Blue until after the election. Please, please and so sorry.
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September 5, 2017 12:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  No worries, I don’t think the report thing even kicks in until it passes 10 complaints.
  And I’m in what Cameron Slater would call the ‘hold your nose and vote Blue’ camp.’
  Their inaction on some key issues ain’t good.
  
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  September 5, 2017 12:49pm
Fletch

The libs have started their own messaging platform in opposition to Twitter et al, where they can message out progressive-approved snippets, because the traditional media is too right-wing? Really? 😆

As Twitchy told you yesterday, Hillary Clinton promoted a new media platform called Verrit that has the intended purpose of… well, nobody’s quite sure. Verrit is co-founded by Hillary Clinton superfan Peter Daou and his wife. Daou’s multi-tweet explanation of the need for whatever it is Verrit’s going to attempt to do (Hillary called it “a media platform for the 65.8 million!”) contained this. If you’re drinking a beverage, best to put it down before proceeding:

2. @LeelaDaou and I founded @Verrit because Hillary Clinton’s voters – an inspiringly diverse coalition – are unrepresented in the media. pic.twitter.com/OYN9IMvbft

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) September 3, 2017

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/09/04/has-to-be-satire-did-peter-daou-make-the-most-hillaryous-claim-about-the-media-ever/

So yeh, they basically just set up their own echo chamber.
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September 5, 2017 12:36pm
Steve Wrathall

Schools in Palmy sending home propaganda in kids’ schoolbags telling parents to vote for policies, which just happen to match Labour’s. https://twitter.com/dbseymour/status/904866377839738881
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September 5, 2017 12:51pm
Fletch

I always wondered if she’d end up a Lisbian 😉

http://www.contactmusic.net/madonna/news/madonna-confirms-she-has-moved-to-lisbon_5805578
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September 5, 2017 1:00pm
RF

Dear god.

Little miss hissy fit is now stamping her feet at Steven Joyce over his “misleading fiscal policy attack”.

Now that will scare the poor bugger.

The sight of the chomping pearly whites coming towards you in attack mode would scare even the bravest.
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September 5, 2017 1:22pm
Dafixeruppa

Well if it wasn’t for all the fossil fuels burnt and emitting carbon into the atmosphere, we would all be screwed!

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170816-the-monster-atomic-bomb-that-was-too-big-to-use

I wonder how much of the “global warming” was caused by these atmospheric nuclear weapons tests and since the ban on them, this is why the earth has stopped heating at the same rate and is starting to return to normal.

In the article it notes that the blast radius from this one Nuclear weapon swept three times around the globe!
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September 5, 2017 1:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  What. A. Fucking. Moron.
  
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  September 5, 2017 1:30pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    thank you mm for your reasoned and well thought out response.
    Since I am neither a climate scientist nor a nuclear scientist, I simply after reading an article where they mentioned that the limited effect of the carbon 14 fallout was due to the amount of carbon in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels, simply repeated the comment in the article that this is why we were not screwed by that atmospheric test.
    As to the rest of my post, it was simply a question as to whether it was possible that all the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons had an affect on the climate and the average temperatures.
    You on the other hand have simply stated that you are a Moron.
    Your post indicates to me that there are at least two different posters under the mm brand, or a schizophrenic one. Some of your posts are reasoned, but many are simply the utterings of a disturbed mind.
    Moron, yes you are.
    
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    September 5, 2017 2:20pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      this is why the earth has stopped heating at the same rate and is starting to return to normal..,,
      
      Oh dear MM moron is not quite the word I would use.
      That’s unfair on morons.
      Morons can not help being intellectually challenged.
      
      More like gibbering nutter living in a fantasy world inside its own head .
      
      In its world three record warm years in a row are “starting to return to normal “.
      https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSat71P2iwRzlkmprS6jC-xok9MSAvVkWbKOQ5wP1CTiBiu77fg
      
      Yet it thinks we have issues.
      What a smegin measurably loony tune it is…….
      
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      September 5, 2017 2:54pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Gruffy, I was going to post something thoughtful about your graph, presented with no supporting information, but I realise that in your world, anyone that disagrees with you is a moron, not because they are lacking in intelligence, but there is no point in arguing with someone who’s ability to discuss anything is limited to name calling and incorrectly using information to promote their own brand of lunacy!!!!
        
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        September 5, 2017 3:03pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I tried being measured and calm debating with you gibbering loony tunes sans the insults and laughter .
        It made no difference you still act like extremely ignorant tinfoil wearing conspiracy nutters who gibber stupidity with every comment .
        So I ended up with the conclusion why bother treating a gibbering loony tune as an intelligent adult?
        Straight to the meat of the matter .
        You are a bunch of anti science nutters who grasp at the most blatantly stupid dribble in an effort to avoid the consequence of global warming on both your life styles and ideology .
        This is a mental problem of huge proportion that makes all you utter worthless garbage fit only for a Dr to examine to see if medication would help .
        
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        September 5, 2017 3:21pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “I tried being measured and calm debating”
        
        Escuse me for a moment…..
        
        ROTFLOL!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
        
        Oh, I’m back…
        
        No you don’t.
        
        “Straight to the meat of the matter .”
        
        Translation: “I am now going to engage in my USUAL spittle-flecked ranting and call you all names.” 🙂
        
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        September 5, 2017 3:26pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        this shawn
        
        and incorrectly using information to promote their own brand of lunacy!!!!
        
        Funny that my brand of lunacy the fuckwit so quaintly puts it is shared by every major scientific body on the planet the governments of 192 nations ,the pentagon, the un, NZ Royal Society, the American National Academy, The American association for the advancement of science, etc, etc, etc.
        Global warming is supported by such science as quantum mechanics, the theory of black body radiation, the laws of thermodynamics.
        The evidence for it happening is found from the depth of the oceans to satellites circling the globe .
        There is no debate in the scientific literature! there has not been for decades….. global warming is real and is happening .
        
        Yet gibbering loons on here deny its happening
        
        This give me support for the conclusion it is an anti science nut job who blames me personally for the conclusion of science because if it actually allowed what I am saying to sink into its mind it would go all cognitive dissonanceed and get a wobbly tummy.
        FFS Call a spade a spade
        It is provably a loonytune along with many others who share its fucked up ideas .
        
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        September 5, 2017 3:54pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Shawn, check out Nostradamus’s collection of what passes for civil debate with Griff.
      
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      September 5, 2017 4:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Griff is quite right to abuse the fuckwits who like to ignore the considered opinions of all the world’s scientific bodies.
        In one of life major ironies, most of said fuckwits can’t see any contradiction between believing climate change is some kind of vast conspiracy and rubbishing any other anti-scientific looney tune theory that raises its head (anti-vax, homeopathy, creationism, etc).
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:14pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yeah, the last set of charts I linked, showing the stupidity of linking cyclone Harvey so so-called climate change were from NOAA. Really must find another source.
        
        And, milky, when you take the time to research something and present a case based on science then I’ll listen. Until then you’re not with debating with.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Um, I don’t have to present a scientific argument for climate change, any more than I have to present a scientific argument for the efficacy of vaccination or the futility of osteopathy.
        Anyone who prefers the views of fringe loonies over the overwhelming consensus of climatologists and the world’s premier scientific academies places himself firmly in the fuckwit category.
        I’m not putting you there: you are putting yourself there.
        Now, tell us about who was really behind 9/11 and how the moon landings were faked…
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:47pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Science is powered by evidence, not consensus.
        
        Anyone who cites their reliance ‘overwhelming consensus’ is overwhelmingly stupid in my view.
        
        I have no interest in 9/11 or moon landing conspiracy theories.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:58pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I see kiwi is still playing pigeon chess
        what a fuckwit
        
        Hello kiwi
        
        Yeah, the last set of charts I linked, showing the stupidity of linking cyclone Harvey so so-called climate change were from NOAA. Really must find another source.
        
        Gibbering fuckin loon
        
        Warmer air = More rain .
        Clausius-Clapeyron equation
        
        the water-holding capacity of the atmosphere increases by about 7% for every 1 °C rise in temperature
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clausius%E2%80%93Clapeyron_relation
        Warmer water = stronger storm.
        
        Tropical cyclones thrive off the heat content of the warm tropical and subtropical oceans. Warm ocean water evaporates from the surface and is taken in by the developing cyclone. As the water vapor rises, it eventually condenses into liquid water, forming clouds and releasing energy in the form of heat. Tropical cyclones use the released energy to gain organization and strength.
        
        Thus the warmer the water, the more energy can be extracted during condensation, and the stronger the storm can grow.
        
        https://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/hurricanes/development.php
        sea leval rise is accelerating .
        http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/infographic-sea-level-rise-global-warming.html#.Wa43jMaxX3g
        
        Same thing I have been telling you for days .
        and you still will not admit it .
        Because you are a loonytune .
        
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        September 5, 2017 5:42pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I see kiwi is still playing pigeon chess … what a fuckwit … Gibbering fuckin loon … Because you are a loonytune
        
        No Griff, I’m interested in the truth. I have spent more than 12 years in [amateur] research of the science, and sociologically of Climate Change™.
        
        In that time I’ve developed a immunity to the mournful ad-homs from couch climate change alarmists who fail to get past the first link, let alone the first page, of their confirmation-bias inspired Google searches. And you sir, are a poster child.
        
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        September 5, 2017 6:59pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Still not addressing the atmospheric science clearly stated half a dozen times .
        
        Instead we get pigeon chess .
        
        You really are a mental case mate .
        
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        September 5, 2017 7:17pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        griff, you’ve stumbled on something in the atmospheric science sphere that stokes your existing biases. I Get it. I do.
        
        However exciting this new learning is for you, it is not relevant now, nor has it ever been to this discussion, despite you returning to it ad infinitum.
        
        I suggest you learn to build an argument – scientifically – and be prepared to debate on its merits, because the now anticipated spewing of ad homs just makes you look silly.
        
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        September 5, 2017 7:29pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFLMAO
        pigeon chess
        Debating climte change deniers on the topic of cliamte change is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.
        
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        September 5, 2017 7:48pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      I remember the outrage around the world – particularly in Europe after that test by the Soviets.
      
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      September 5, 2017 5:17pm
- Lance
  
  There is about the same energy in one big thunder cloud as a fission weapon.
  Nukes are pathetic next to the power of the sun and it’s effects on the earth. Although the sun itself is a very bigass nuclear fusion explosion
  
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  September 5, 2017 2:55pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Lance, thank you for addressing the question.
    
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    September 5, 2017 3:00pm
- cmm
  
  It all comes down to energy because just about all energy eventually just degrades to its lowest form: heat.
  
  According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield, all the nikes explodes so far add up to about 2 million TJ of energy.
  
  To get that in context:
  
  NZ has approx 10GW of electrical generation capacity, so a TJ of energy is the same as NZ’s electrical production for 100 seconds. When we factor in the heat lost due to systemic waste, NZ’s power generation creates approx 20GW. ie every minute is about 1 TJ.
  
  All the nukes exploded so far have created about as much heat as running NZ’s electric grid flat tack for 3 years.
  
  Another way to look at it is solar insolation. In full sunlight, each square km gets about 1GW, so the whole area of NZ gets about 270TW of solar in full sunlight. Two hours of that is the same as all the nukes exploded so far.
  
  Scale it up: the whole world’s electric output is approx 25000 TW. 80 seconds of the world’s electrical generation is more than all the energy released by all nukes.
  
  All the nukes ever exploded add up to less energy than the sun shining on the planet for four seconds.
  
  So let’s just say bullshit….
  
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  September 5, 2017 5:45pm
  - ztev
    
    You have confused some things.
    A concentrated form of energy release in milli seconds
    With energy spread over a whole year – during daylight – and spread over the whole planet ( but not completely evenly)
    
    We could do the same with tides, heaps of potential energy, but too widespread to be useful.
    
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    September 5, 2017 7:57pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone notice that Bill English did not rule out Pike River and Jacinda did not rule out a binding referendum on the Maori seats?

She said what Labour’s current policy was but would not rule out a binding referendum.

I was pleased to see English’s responsible position that he had a responsibility to form a government and this was in relation to NZF.
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September 5, 2017 1:27pm
- stigie
  
  The longer it goes on the worse it will get for Liarbore not telling the public on their CGT, the water tax and inheritance tax. This is utter bullshit from Taxcinda and business people need to know.
  My question is will they reintroduce that bloody stupid gift tax as well, it hasn’t been ruled out..?
  
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  September 5, 2017 2:07pm
  - KevOB
    
    All’s fair in love and taxes.
    
    If you are going to shift assets out of the reach of the CGT person why shouldn’t there be a gift duty to protect the revenue? A stamp duty too could bring in more revenue from the same transaction. Efficient. [I better not give any more trade secrets away.]
    
    Watch the bright line test it ring fences losses.
    
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    September 5, 2017 2:56pm
  - tf78
    
    I bet they do or at least they’ll reduce it to 10%/year – I don’t think anyone could live long enough to end up neutral.
    
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    September 5, 2017 4:22pm
Northland Wahine

Kev, in my office, it’s very well known. Out of 30 plus case managers? Half would be Samoan. I often hear clients try to belittle case managers in Samoan. The male case managers get an easier time. The women, not so much. Although I am proud to say, our male PI case managers are very protective over all the women in our office, regardless.

It’s no different to what our Maori parents faced with constant koha donations in the 60s. Yeah it still happens, but no where like fa’alavelave. We’re told by our fellow PI workmates it’s not uncommon for young Samoan to take out personal loans to meet these family commitments. Great way to start your youth in debt.
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September 5, 2017 3:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Loans were common. Payday loan rate was $6 for $5 loaned for a week.
  
  I have no problem with WINZ assisting with fa’alavelave.
  
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  September 5, 2017 4:32pm
Jack5

Another bone to chew on …

Which direction is the kiwi dollar going? A number of bank commentators have pointed out that uncertainty because of the election, and further uncertainty if there is a change of government, could put downward pressure on the kiwi dollar.

Overseas, bearishness about currencies like New Zealand’s seems to be the opinion of the world’s biggest sovereign fund.

On the other hand, the Hooerald reports today:

The ASB Kiwi Dollar Barometer showed businesses expected the dollar to average US75c over the next year – 10c above the 12-month outlook from the previous survey three months ago.

ASB chief economist Nick Tuffley said the “stronger for longer” view in the Barometer marks a shift from the last few surveys, when businesses had been expecting the kiwi to depreciate against the US dollar.

Tuffley said: “Our view is that prospective additional US fiscal stimulus will be a long way off, with supportive domestic factors, including the elevated terms of trade and prospective official cash rate hikes, likely to support the New Zealand dollar.”

The ASB, once the Auckland Savings Bank, is fully owned by the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

On the other hand, an article in the Telegraph says that the world’s biggest sovereign fund is advising its Government (Norway’s) to concentrate assets in US dollars, sterling, and euros – and to quit currencies such as Australia’s, Canada’s and Japan’s, and presumably, New Zealand’s.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says the oil-income-rich, $US1 trillion Norwegian sovereign fund, now known as the Government Pension Fund, has advised the Government to drop completely bonds of Japan and emerging markets (and Australia, Canada, and New Zealand). The Norwegian fund was one of the first global pension funds to embrace emerging markets when their boom began.

The fund is coy about its exact purposes, stressing that it wants assets that are “liquid and investable”. Evans-Pritchards reports it is opting for 54 per cent in US dollars, 38 per cent in euros, and the rest in pounds sterling.

Evans-Pritchard adds that Singapore’s $US100 billion GIC Private, a fund set up by the island republic’s government to manage its foreign reserves, warned in July that it was switching to defensive positions, expecting a “period of protracted uncertainty and low returns”.

The five biggest investments of the Norwegian giant are: Apple, Nestlé, Alphabet (parent company of Google), Royal Dutch Shell, and Microsoft.

The Telegraph reports Barclays as saying global funds have begun to batten down the hatches, shifting to an overweight position in defensive stocks for the first time since 2009.
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September 5, 2017 3:06pm
- VicParking
  
  At the moment the world currency traders have bigger NK fish to fry than NZ.
  
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  September 5, 2017 3:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Exactly right.
    
    The NZD is just a little leaf bobbing along in a river of foreign currencies.
    
    While our actions (eg which prats we put in the Beehive) might have some slight impact, international events have far greater impact.
    
    When forex traders feel a bit worried they run for the “safe havens” USD, gold etc, even though the long term outlook for the USD is terrible.
    
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    September 5, 2017 4:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      That’s accurate, CMM, yet the NZ dollar was the eleventh most heavily traded currency in 2016 – ahead of the Singapore and Hong Kong dollars, the Indian rupee, the South Korean won, and the Russian rouble, for example.
      
      This, despite the size of the NZ economy, which is a mere 68th in the world.
      
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      September 5, 2017 4:13pm
      - tf78
        
        Because of good governance under National.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        TF78, if only that were true.
        
        National – and Labour – have been happy to run a high currency policy, despite NZ not having had a positive balance of payments for about 40 years.
        
        It’s another economic ponzi scheme, like high immigration.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Interestingly, the dollar stopped drifting down yesterday, after the TV3 poll showed the Nats in front again.
  Smart guys, those currency traders.
  The other interesting thing is that the previously booming new car market has flattened out in synch with the flattening house prices.
  Could it be that people have been using the ballooning equity in their houses, especially in Auckland, to fund new cars?
  Surely not.
  
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  September 5, 2017 3:56pm
RF

Today I had lunch with a friend who owns a lifestyle block running amongst other things a few sheep and an old horse called Cheeky.

I was quite taken by Cheeky and once she realised I had some food for her she kept following me around the paddock nuzzling my trouser pocket where I had the horse nuts.

Up close her teeth were bloody big and suddenly as she was trying to get into my pants I had an epiphany.

Now I know how Clarke Gayford feels.
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September 5, 2017 4:00pm
Monique Watson

North Korea are moving the ICBM to coastal launch sites. At night to avoid detection. Yeah because it’s so easy to hide a rocket undercover of a bit of darkness.
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September 5, 2017 4:32pm
- mikenmild
  
  What are you drinking, Monique?
  
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  September 5, 2017 4:49pm
  - dad4justice
    
    She is drinking moonshine with your mother milky.
    
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    September 5, 2017 4:54pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Are you there with them, D4J? Just about full moon, too. An exciting time.
      
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      September 5, 2017 4:57pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Aren’t you glad your mother Norma did not believe in abortion. Praise the Lord eh.
        
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        September 5, 2017 4:59pm
      - ztev
        
        John Banks didnt believe in Abortion when he was a politician
        
        Different attitude when he was traveling Salesman with a girlfriend on his rounds in the Tron.
        “Mayes’ evidence was that she met Banks at a party when she was 19. She was a nurse at Waikato Hospital and Banks was a travelling salesman for Pfizer Pharmaceuticals.”
        
        “She said when told of the pregnancy, Banks encouraged her to terminate it and arranged for a friend who worked for another pharmaceutical company to obtain quinine tablets in the hope of causing a miscarriage.”
        The man is now 47, so this would have been 1970 or so. The current Act dates from 1977 so ‘procuring an abortion’ was a big deal
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/96421443/john-banks-loses-paternity-case-is-found-to-be-father-of-antony-shaw
        
        No wonder Banks has refused anything to do with this, if he wasnt the father then a DNA test would clear him
        An anti abortion campaigner who was trying to to procure an abortion when it was illegal would be an amazing thing. You would think these things happened in the USA !
        
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        September 5, 2017 7:51pm
      - Prince
        
        Labour. always classy eh Trevor..
        
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        September 5, 2017 8:58pm
cha

A gathering of Bletchleyettes.

http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/bletchley-park-staff-who-helped-defeat-hitler-meet-78-years-after-wars-outbreak-11364209318611
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September 5, 2017 5:28pm
Monique Watson

Your Mum ran out of moonshine Milky so now I have to taper down with the beer.
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September 5, 2017 5:35pm
Manolo

The incompetent Messiah is ready to meddle and interfere:
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/04/report-obama-ready-speak-trump-cancels-daca/

Former President Barack Obama plans to speak out if President Donald Trump declares his intention to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, according to a person close to Obam
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September 5, 2017 6:03pm
Surely Knott

New article from Stuff and a woman has been named and admitted to rubbing rat poison on Nick Smith she is also a medical marijuana protestor . I wanted to see what party she represents so i googled her name. Her facebook profile shows she is an active green supporter, stands with Meteria etc etc. Is a regular protestor who has put marijuana protest banners on Nicks Mp office before. . But it caught my eye a video showing her kids playing in the local pristine clean stream. “West Coast NZ stunningly beautiful etc etc.” And I thought the irony. Errr I thought the streams in NZ were toxic and completely ruined. I’m really frustrated about the Nick Smith disgusting sculpture and the rat posion attack. I hope she is charged.
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September 5, 2017 6:10pm
- Prince
  
  I share your frustration. I note in the (selective) video these creeps released their faces were fuzzed out by Stuff. No such courtesy for Smith or his family of course.
  Who would consider politics when some buffoon can throw up a statue of you, pants down with genitalia etc. I wonder how Smiths school-age kids are coping.
  The left, and the Greens in particular, are simply a disgrace. Where is the outrage from those caring people ? Would it be ok if the statue was of St Jacinda, pants down etc ?
  I despise the lot of them, and the media who give them such an unquestioning platform.
  
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  September 5, 2017 7:06pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Sorry Prince, I ran out of upticks.
    These scum, and the media who protect and promote them, are not deserving of a place in society.
    
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    September 5, 2017 8:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is Rose Renton
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/338760/cannabis-campaigner-admits-wiping-rat-poison-on-mp
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:08pm
Nostradamus

This would be right up UglyTruth’s alley: New photographs of Area 51 show clearest view ever inside mysterious US air base

Deep in the Nevada desert is a mysterious block of land called Area 51. The notorious US air base, believed to be where the military meet and communicate with aliens, is closely guarded at all times. … For conspiracy theorists from around the world, the once top-secret location is at the centre of a myriad of claims extra-terrestrials have been landing on Earth for decades.

The article covers a lot of ground:

– UFOs (a crashed alien spacecraft – along with its extra-terrestrial passengers – are stored at Area 51)
– Majestic 12 (Area 51 is the undisclosed headquarters for a shadowy one-world government)
– Time travel (At Area 51 they’re contacting beings of the future and persuading them to come back to present-day Earth to educate us about the future)
– Underground base (there’s a transcontinental underground railroad system at Area 51)
– Energy weapons (they’re developing energy weapons at Area 51)
– Teleportation (At Area 51 scientists are working on macro-level teleportation, in which human beings can transport their physical bodies into another place)
– The Aurora Project (a secret US spyplane project)
– Weather control (At Area 51 they’re developing technology that modifies the weather to provoke the enemy with a hailstorm or a hurricane).
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September 5, 2017 6:51pm
- mikenmild
  
  I miss Ugly Truth: he was actually a bit more rational than some of the others. After one exchange, he actually admitted changing his mind.
  Couldn’t shift him about Alfred the Great and traffic law though.
  
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  September 5, 2017 7:32pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Where are blog regulars Reid and Stephieboy?
    
    I thought you’d retired MM but that lasted all of 4 days.
    
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    September 5, 2017 7:48pm
noskire

For a long time I have dismissed North Korea’s brinkmanship as nothing more than a show, designed to gain concessions.
But Kim (unwisely) has upped the ante after Trump’s election, and now we have two unstable, politically immature heads-of-state on the nuclear trigger.
With the ability to mount a nuclear warhead on an ICBM, and a history of selling/sharing WMD tech to rogue states such as Syria (and now potentially ISIS), North Korea presents a clear and present danger.
There are no further sanctions that can be placed – the US simply will not cut off trade with its biggest trading partner (China).
I believe we are on the precipice of not just a large-scale conventional war, but quite probably a nuclear one.
And with the tensions now so high on the Korean Peninsula, it’s also reasonably likely the war will start by accident.
Hopefully the US will launch a preemptive strike that will take out North Korea’s communications, alongside special forces who will take out the NK hierarchy, and there will be a lot less bloodshed.
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September 5, 2017 7:50pm
nasska

I saw a successful looking man the other day in a suit, with a flash car, lots of twenties in his wallet, etc. So I clubbed him over the head, stripped his car, sold it for spares, gave his money to my friends, harvested his organs for the donor register & gave his suit to one of the homeless.

When the police visited, I just told them, ‘It’s OK, I’m a Labour supporter!’
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September 5, 2017 8:13pm
EAD_TWO

Buckle up, the crash is coming:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/04/britain-addicted-debt-crash-2007-sub-prime-mortgages-personal-credit

We’re addicted to debt and headed for a crash. It could be worse than 2007

Hope you’ve got your gold and bitcoin at the ready!
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September 5, 2017 8:24pm
- RichardX
  
  Is this the 3rd or 4th time you have predicted a crash?
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:31pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hope you’ve got your National Govt. at the ready.
  Christ help us if the tooth fairy has to get us out of this.
  
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  September 5, 2017 8:43pm
nasska

…..”Is this the 3rd or 4th time you have predicted a crash”…..

Since when? He’s made so many crap predictions most of us have lost count.
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September 5, 2017 8:34pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Expanding credit, can make economies look very healthy, generating spending and a certain devil-may-care nonchalance, but not indefinitely…….
  
  Eventually the piper must be paid
  
  At some point, servicing the debt becomes so onerous that discretionary spending becomes impossible.
  
  The classic canary-in-the-mine watcher doesn’t wait for a bank collapse but simply looks at the debt growth figures:
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/households-debt-to-income
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/consumer-credit
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/private-sector-credit
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/government-debt
  
  As I always remind my clients – exponential growth in a finite as a model is not a sustainable model. Ride the debt bubble, but be prepared for the inflection points which must come sure as night follows day.
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:17pm
Jack5

Don’t knock the butchers:

Edinburgh University is investigating whether a law student, Robbie Travers, committed a hate crime by mocking ISIS.

A history student and feminist, Esme Allman, has accused the law student of “blatant Islamophobia”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4852548/Edinburgh-Uni-law-student-21-probed-hate-crime.html
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September 5, 2017 8:37pm
stigie

Nasska:- Have you good supply of canned food and other shit to take up to the snowline because we hear there’s another crash predicted..?
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September 5, 2017 8:55pm
- nasska
  
  I wouldn’t even make a cut lunch & fill a Thermos on EAD’s predictions.
  
  The man couldn’t see daylight at the other end of a 6′ concrete culvert!
  
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  September 5, 2017 9:00pm
- mikenmild
  
  nasska and I are both still using up the canned food we got in after EAD’s last prediction of imminent economic collapse.
  
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  September 6, 2017 6:51am
sooty

The old crone has been twittering that her goverment started the waterview tunnel.
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September 5, 2017 9:45pm
- cha
  
  She’s right, in 2008 the tunnel was announced as the preferred option.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterview_Connection#Planning_history
  
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  September 5, 2017 10:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good Grief

The old hubby could linger on for another 50 years
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11917587

He’ll be getting a double dose of whipped cream/marscapone on his heavily buttered scones tomorrow!
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September 5, 2017 10:16pm
Wally.Anchor

Maybe a bit late to the conversation here, but heres my take on the ‘debate’.

I’m not a Labour supporter. I’m not necessarily a National supporter either, but I’ll admit I lean in that direction.

Last nights ‘debate’ showed Bill knowing his stuff, although stumbling for what he thought he needed to say at times. It also showed Jacinda very much on top of her game – lacking a lot of detail but definitely resonating with people on an idealistic level. I often felt I agreed with her, but I could tell that once the detail came through I’d likely waver. Detail is key – which I think is why she’s holding back.

Anyway.
The TV1 debate. Outrage! Petitions to remove Mike Hosking as moderator for being percived to be too “right wing”, “National’s mate”, etc. I thought he was a very fair moderator, and that’s exactly how it should be for a moderator. It’s not about them, it’s about the other participants.

Compare that to the TV3 debate. I’d say Gower was a dyed in the wool left winger, but nobody was calling for him to be ousted from the moderators position. While he did well I guess, it seemed a clear left wing slant (my view – could be wrong) to much of the questioning. But that’s how it works.

So why the outrage at Hosking, but not Gower?

Also, the format of last nights debate was cringeworthy. It was less bland than the TV1 one, but seemed more like an embarrasing gameshow format.

Even if I’m wrong about Gower being a solid leftie – the panel afterwards was stacked towards the left. Only one that’d be considered not left. And the direction of political ads in the breaks. I think I saw one national, one greens, and many Labour.

If the tables were turned there’d be more outrage. Just goes to show how much less tolerant Labour supporters and the left are than the majority of the population.
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September 5, 2017 11:45pm
- Inandout
  
  We just repeat..it is different for the Left.
  
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  September 6, 2017 12:23pm
Manolo

The AGW zealots are salivating already:
https://apnews.com/1eab622061084a5a9810d1e168ca563b/Irma-strengthens-to-a-Cat-5-storm-as-it-nears-Caribbean
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September 6, 2017 5:38am
Inandout

Jacinda on the ZB Farming Show ( a real Labour leaning slot at that). I notice she is getting schooled by someone on her diction. She started off squeaky but quickly lowered her tone to an almost ballsy Helen level. However, the sound bite mantra remains.
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