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Kimbo

The biggest loser on election night?

ACT?

The Greens?

TOP?

The Maori Party? Almost…

The Maori King Movement/Kingitanga. Demonstrated that they are a 19th Century relic with little or no influence, political, social, spiritual or otherwise in the lives of Maori.

They made the Maori Party kiss the ring, and now Te Ururoa Flavell and Marama Fox are gone. Nanaia Mahuta may be derided in these parts, but any MP who, in the face of criticism from her close whanau can increase her majority by over 7,000 shows she must be a good local MP for her constituents. Likely the Tainui of Hamilton view the court in Ngaruawahia as fat cats from whom they receive little bounty. A bigger fail than Gareth Morgan’s $3 million, as at least he has something else to which to go back…
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September 25, 2017 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Ha , the tone on RNZ yesterday morning when discussing the demise of the racist party was funereal reverential .
  Tossers.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:04am
  - Kimbo
    
    Say what you will, but by any reasonable standard Te Ururoa Flavell is a giant compared to the light-weight mini-me male Maori version of Jacinda, Tamati Coffey. Happy to be proved wrong, but as Maori seats tend to be a sinecure for Labour MPs, I predict if he is there for some 20+ years, his parliamentary career will amount to very little.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:09am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      That’s like saying, the ant is a giant compared to the flea.
      
      In reality, neither amounts to much, other than their verminous nature.
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:24am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Tamati Coffey is precisely the opposite of this old Māori proverb:
        
        Kāore te kumara e kōrero mō tōna ake reka
        
        (The kumara does not say how sweet he is)
        
        I suspect Māori voters in Waiariki will quickly become disillusioned with their new MP when he does not walk his talk.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:37am
    - GoVege
      
      A GIANT?
      For doing WHAT?
      Getting more money from YT for the Maori elites?
      
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      September 25, 2017 3:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        What I especially hate about the Maori Party is they go on and on about abuse in state care many years ago…obviously in order to claim compensation. ..but you NEVER hear them talk about the abuse that goes on NOW in Maori homes all over the country.
        (Perhaps there’s no money in that?)
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:00pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    There is a convention.
    You don’t speak ill of the dead .
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:11am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Is Keeping Stock inferring that Grant Robertson and Chris Finlayson will each suck the Kumara now?
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:49pm
    - Nermal
      
      Not according to Shakespeare
      
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      September 25, 2017 4:02pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Kowtow, my apologies, reported in error. DPF, please ignore.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:40am
    - kowtow
      
      NW
      All good.
      
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      September 25, 2017 12:26pm
- Biscuit
  
  I’d go the Media Party. Their daily-anointed Queen Jacinda did little more than restore Labour to voting levels they had two or three leaders ago.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:06am
  - Longknives
    
    Yep- I’d agree with Biscuit.
    ‘Jacindamania’ turned out to be a bit of a fizzer.
    Even if she somehow ends up in the top job she still only dragged Labour back 10% (And she has Turei’s bizarre behaviour to thank for much of that)
    The Media were/are full of crap.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:10am
    - Kimbo
      
      But some 6 weeks ago Labour were looking like imploding to below 20%. Never under-estimate your opponent, or, as per Sean Fitzpatrick, fail to give them credit where it is due. If Peters goes into government with National, and with the Greens neutered, she will be the undisputed leader of the opposition with all the limelight that entails. Her personality projects well, now let’s see if she can learn from her mistakes – and her party’s!
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:14am
      - kowtow
        
        Was not the Labour resurgence mostly at the cost to the Greens ,all triggered by the Turei business.If that’s the case credit must go to whoever broke the Turei business.
        Once the flight from Green to Labour started together with the media hype for Jax created a momentum of its own?
        A timeline might be useful.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:27am
      - Longknives
        
        I give her no credit Kimbo.
        She had all the cards in her favour- The gushing Media absolutely adored her and treated her like Royalty.
        Anyone who dared criticise or question her was slammed as a ‘misogynist’.
        She was rubbish in the debates. Never answered a single question- just spouted ‘feelgood’ catchphrases about ‘Her Vision’ etc etc
        Nobody in MSM dared mention her past (“Comrades,Comrades..”)
        
        I could go on but in a nutshell ‘Jacindamania’ was a fraud- Thankfully New Zealanders saw through the utter bullshit.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:37am
      - itstricky
        
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        Anyone who dared criticise or question her was slammed as a ‘misogynist’.
        
        What a load of rubbish.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:46am
      - Ed Snack
        
        That’s misogynist Longknives ! Criticizing the media darling, how DARE you…
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:20am
      - Kimbo
        
        I give her no credit Kimbo.
        
        Fair enough, LK. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick. But if National were to adopt that same attitude, they will very likely find themselves on the end of a loss in 2020 (is still a 60:40 probability anyway)
        
        …facing up to nine years in opposition to an Ardern-led Labour-Green government. Labour and the Greens got some 43% of the vote. Only needs a shift of some 1 in 20 Kiwis next time to put them over the top. Write her off as media hype if you will – and yes, there was hype, and being media-friendly is maybe her only talent, and she will likely be exposed in the next three years in the hard grind of Leader of the Opposition
        
        …but I doubt National will be taking her lightly.
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:48am
      - RF
        
        There is an elephant in the room and it could be pregnant before this parlamentary term expires.
        
        Ideally 40 is the recommended cut off age for child bearing although I know of older people becoming parents. It does have an impact later on in life.
        
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        September 25, 2017 11:39am
      - itstricky
        
        35 down ticks and still no evidence. Go figure.
        
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        September 25, 2017 11:46am
      - GoVege
        
        Rightie’s don’t need “evidence”, it’s tricky!
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:26pm
  - Poppa
    
    I totally agree that the media should hang their heads in shame. They are despicable the way they attempt to create a result they want.
    
    It is no wonder they are in a financial mess
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:14am
    - Paulus
      
      Do you really think that the media care what you or I think about their performance ? – they are beyond that and will be gearing up for the 2020 election after a few days break, to try and rid the country of those National Party scum who disagree with them.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:50am
  - kowtow
    
    I agree biscuit.
    The Media Party lost biglyest.
    Despite the Media party’s daily dose of far left advocacy , child poverty, housing crisis , dirty water (caused by farmers , not city sewerage ) Chinese water theft, global warming, Joyce porkies, fuel crisis , mental illness crisis , hospital crisis ………
    
    …….the Nats still got about 46 % !
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:18am
    - GoVege
      
      We’d have a lot less child poverty if Polynesians (especially Maori) restricted the number of their children to 2 (like most Indians and Chinese).
      But if English gets back in, I doubt if he’ll be suggesting that….
      
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      September 25, 2017 4:31pm
- Longknives
  
  The Greens lost?
  Did you see James Shaw’s victory speech?? “We have done it” “New Zealanders have voted for change” etc etc..
  Fucking Loony Tunes.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:08am
  - billmurray
    
    Longknives:
    The Greens have a golden opportunity to be part of Government,unfortunately the idiots within still command.
    The idiots need a kicking.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:22am
    - Paulus
      
      If they go with Labour they once again will be kicked in the teeth as Helen Clark did to them.
      Dreamers with seven seats.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:51am
  - KevOB
    
    That’s why they are nearly out. Next time: right out.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I got the feeling it was a victory speech he’d prepared well in advance … and simply ran with it!
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:31am
- waikatogirl
  
  Tariana Turia has stated she will come out of retirement to get the Maori party back on track.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:10am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Oh please! Do it Turia!
    
    It’d be great to see that sanctimonious old racist get her nose rubbed in it by “her people”.
    
    They’re gone, they sold out, they took their 20 talents of silver, they pushed vanity projects that are worth nothing and Maoridom spoke.
    
    7-0!
    
    Turia and Hillary for 2020! Could it get any better?
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:29am
    - GoVege
      
      Maori REALLY need morons like Turia telling them that 13 to 17 year old girls having babies is a good thing.
      I’m sure there is no other politician outside Islam who would suggest such a thing.
      The late Lillybing was the child of 2 young teenagers, foisted on a pregnant mother of 4.
      It’s ignorant attitudes like hers that cause so much suffering for Maori kids and women.
      
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      September 25, 2017 1:56pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Half American Turia back on the radio talking about ‘our people’
    What she means is Maori which is racist and she has been responsible for division in this country.
    Fox thankfully has gone and she was in the same mould despite her oral capabilities.
    Both very dangerous ‘people’.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:55am
    - marcw
      
      Wait until Davidson is appointed Co-Genital with Shaw. Then you will see real danger. Toxic and smug.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:11am
    - Duxton
      
      “…. despite her oral capabilities.”
      
      That is simply too frightening to contemplate.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:17am
    - GoVege
      
      Two ignorant idiots only harming Maori.
      Fortunately mainstream Maori saw through their silly nonsense and voted for the party that has always cared about them.
      …even if it doesn’t offer ridiculous things like ownership of the nation’s beaches.
      
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      September 25, 2017 1:47pm
  - KevOB
    
    Hasn’t a hope in the long term as Maori are still very tribal. They do not coalesce and they have internal splits too–what’s Harawira’s authority except stroppyness?
    
    To get Maori together they will need another fight in the streets issue–Taxinda’s Water Tax?
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:29am
    - GoVege
      
      The difference is..Hone’s the real deal.
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:16pm
      - KevOB
        
        He’s a local bully with assumed mana.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:13pm
      - GoVege
        
        He says some really daft things…”like NZ used to be a Polynesian paradise”…but apparently he is a good husband and father.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:23pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        GoVege: “He’s a good father”
        Hone: “If my daughter brought home a white person I would disown her”
        
        Jesus you say some retarded things sometimes. Have a triple cheeseburger FFS!
        
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        September 25, 2017 5:40pm
  - GoVege
    
    You forgot her colonial oppressors’ title, waikatogirl!
    Off with your head!
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:23pm
- srylands
  
  I think TOP. I heard it cost Gareth $3 million. $62 per party vote received.
  
  The thing with TOP is that it set out to have a policy on everything. So it ended up upsetting everyone. I stopped listening when I saw Gareth’s giant face with the caption “Rich picks should pay more tax”.
  
  I agreed with some of their policies. I think the Morgan Foundation did some good work on health policies. But at the end of the day older voters just saw an ugly man coming for the house. And younger voters did not have the attention span for the policy details. Not when the could have feels and values instead.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:10am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And alienated half the population with talk of a kitty holocaust before he even got started.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think he has alienated all of us now:
      Those who voted for Jacinda are “thick”
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11924483
      
      The rest of us are spoilt and selfish
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/they-screwing-younger-generation-top-leader-gareth-morgan-says-self-interested-voters-have-dictated-2017-election
      
      Thank goodness Gareth is brainy and generous. He can rave at us selfish thickos for the next 3 years….
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. The smartest guy in the class is also often the dumbest. Gareth Morgan – the Sheldon Cooper of New Zealand politics! 😉
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:57am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Kimbo, I assume Dr Morgans go to song isn’t Soft Kitty, Warm Kitty or anything by The Stray Cats
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:56am
      - KevOB
        
        He’s just showed his stupidity too by blowing $3m. on pride.
        
        NZ’s Forest Gump?
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:15pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Let’s hope Sam takes his nutter father out the back and whacks some ‘Now will you just shut the f*ck up?’ sense into him with a decent lump of four-by-two…
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:58am
  - GoVege
    
    How incredibly rude and nasty.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:18pm
    - Biscuit
      
      You have a good day, too, GoVege.
      
      Morgan did nothing this election that Colin Craig and Kim Dotcrim didn’t do last election – pour a lot of money into pushing obnoxious policies onto the rest of us.
      
      That he – like Craig and Dotcrim – lost millions through the exercise was one of the big plusses of the night.
      
      Did Morgan’s jibe about those who voted for Jacinda – and, no, I wasn’t one – being ‘stupid” cause you to call HIM ‘rude and nasty’? How about him calling Ardern ‘lipstick on a pig’? How incredibly rude and nasty, eh? Us being ‘selfish’ for not voting for him? Disgraceful stuff, no?
      
      I’ll reiterate – Sam, Gareth’s boy, is a decent hardworking New Zealander. Gareth, Sam’s Dad, isn’t.
      
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      September 25, 2017 3:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry Biscuit.
        I was referring to Srylands’ personal attack on Gareth.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:07pm
- yossarian
  
  Notable mention to Grant Robertson, who as finance spokesman gave his leader a half-cocked shadow budget that national was able to jump all over. To be fair to Jacinda she did her best to smile her way through it, but one has to wonder whether Grant set her up on purpose?
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:39am
  - Poppa
    
    It sure had that look about it didn’t it. Either that or he is such a lazy bugger he didn’t do all of the homework.
    
    I think he was hoping that he would get away with it, which he very nearly did thanks to the media
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Heard quite a while ago that he disliked being Opposition Labour Finance Minister.
      It took up too much of his time in a subject that he did not understand.
      Was Angry’s way of keeping him busy.
      Expect to see him pass this to somebody/anybody else soon whatever.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:54am
      - Piniwi
        
        True Paulus. Few know any detail of just how Labour fill in the days they spend in opposition. The internal pressures must be immense.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:22pm
    - ross411
      
      I suspect that it is even more likely he thought he had done a cracking job, and really believed that National lied about it. Let’s not overestimate these clowns.
      
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      September 25, 2017 11:07am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    one has to wonder whether Grant set her up on purpose?
    
    Fair point. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that Robertson has set up a Labour leader…
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:36am
    - Kimbo
      
      No, Cunliffe may have done that to Goff in 2011, but this time it was an attempt to bullshit the public about their true intent. They don’t want to tell them they will raise taxes, so they tried their luck with a “working group” with Little. Then Ardern in the midst of the adrenaline-rush of Jacindamania started to believe her own hype and and blundered with the captain’s call that it would be before 2020. Hey, even our own considered and intelligent Albert_Ross was buying their line for a while “as we haven’t been in government we have no had the opportunity to research sufficiently” In 9 f%&*ing years?! 😉
      
      OK, so does that mean the taxpayer can have a refund for all the wasted $ we have spend the last 9 years bank-rolling their research unit?! Presumably the paid staff of ztev, Psycho Milt, ross001 and marquess felt their time was better-spent running interference here on Kiwiblog! 😉
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:08am
    - yossarian
      
      I’d be even more wary if he handed Jacinda a dead fish to hold!
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:50am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        A bass-fish!
        
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        September 25, 2017 11:44am
  - Biscuit
    
    Exactly, Yossarian.
    
    But, wait, come the next Election – and here I am assuming Winnie goes with the Nats this time – Grant will STILL be on his hind legs telling us that his expert panel will decide x, y and z after the event.
    
    Grant is a weapons-grade prize buffoon, Labour has had 9 years to get an ‘expert panel’ to come up with a workable plan. Hopefully, 12 by the time he gets to use the inane line again.
    
    At least have the cojones to tell us who will be ON this ‘expert’ panel!
    
    Three more years, I am tipping, of Grant asking an earnest question in the house about something hidden away on Page 4523 of some obscure Treasury Report…
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:06am
- KevOB
  
  The Maori fighting now begins. I believe Nanaia Mahuta is a close relative of the Maori King who has power in Waikato.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:05am
  - GoVege
    
    Kick da King to da Kerb!
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:27pm
- SPC
  
  National, if they lose office surely.
  
  Biggest party and still lose …
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Mutter Merkel wins again.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/24/germany-elections-afd-europe-immigration-merkel-radical-right
Germany steps to the right.
Greens are diminished.
http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.OngTnKGU.dpbs
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September 25, 2017 8:03am
- dime
  
  “Germany steps to the right.”
  
  does that mean they will only allow 500,000 muslim “refugees” in this year?
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:12am
- SPC
  
  Hardly.
  
  Merkel has only one option for government a coalition with FD and Greens.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:13am
- Classic Liberal
  
  AfD, Alternative for Germany, is now Germany’s 3rd largest party. They are shunned by all the others, because the MSM keeps labeling them ‘far right’ and worse. They are no such thing. They are concerned that a huge number of ‘refugees’ in the recent mass migration have no ID but are clearly not from Syria but just economic immigrants. AfD want a proper immigration points system, similar to Canada or Australia. Wanting this gets you called ‘far right’ in Germany.
  
  As for ‘antisemitism’ and ‘misogyny’: AfD is the only party that recognises that a certain growing theocratic trend with this mass migration is antisemitic, misogynistic and homophobic. They don’t want this ideology to spread further. There are parts of cities where now women don’t feel safe. Also homosexual couples {including the AfD lesbian co leader Alice Weidel and her partner}, and Jewish people identifying themselves in their attire.
  
  AfD and all who voted for them want to rescue the liberal values Europeans achieved over centuries.
  
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  September 25, 2017 6:18pm
Longknives

Best things I saw last night on Facebook from sulky Labour Voters/Cultmembers-

“Something stinks here- Jacinda should demand a recount”
“I look forward to the day when Stupid Pakeha Men don’t get a say in the running of this Country”

Seems the Left’s idea of ‘Democracy’ is one where Pakeha Men aren’t allowed to vote??
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September 25, 2017 8:05am
- srylands
  
  I’ll give up my vote for a 50% tax rebate.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:12am
  - softail 1450
    
    I’d give up my pakeha male vote for teeth like jacindas,,,,
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:23am
    - Gabby
      
      Would you give up your girly bike trainer wheels for a fat arse that doesn’t slide off the seat softcock.
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:01pm
      - softail 1450
        
        “a fat arse that don’t slide off the seat” I wasn’t aware that your smelly old arse had been near the seat of my bike grubby .
        you are testament that our health system isn’t working because despite your urgent need of a brain transplant it still hasn’t happened ,you mad bastard.
        
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        September 25, 2017 2:29pm
      - Gabby
        
        So you’ll stick with that fat arse of yours that slides around in its own grease then softcock.
        
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        September 25, 2017 3:13pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Oh Gabby are you still going around sniffing bike seats?
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:27pm
  - Gabby
    
    You kinda did, sly.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:00pm
- dime
  
  “Seems the Left’s idea of ‘Democracy’ is one where Pakeha Men aren’t allowed to vote??”
  
  maybe just the stupid ones? that would mean less votes for the left 🙂
  
  its not good to see the “white straight men are evil” over here. had to happen with all the shit in the US i guess.
  
  throw in any other group and it would be the end of the world.
  
  “stupid black people” etc etc
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:14am
  - oldpark
    
    Wonder did you hear the old agony aunt Kerre Mc Ivor on the Larry Williams show on Friday Afternoon, put the boot into as she said NZs voters were sick of voting for “tired old middle aged white men. She was supporting the “Commie Chic” Ardern and James Shaw partys’
    Tired old white men should perhaps let her know that they are sick of supporting a potty mouthed tired old white women who runs a tired old agony aunt talk back show five days a week.
    Us Tired old white men,will in future take our advertising dollars to somewhere where tired old white mens dollars are appreciated.
    In fact the channel is the Anti National Goverment enemy within Newstalkzb. MCIvor and that other clown Mark Dew,most time have made their show a must avoid. Days gone by it was Radio Live and the nasty Willie Jackons comments,now Mc Ivor and Dew have, since they have been on that disaster time slot, have emulated that. ZB used to,be a pleasure to listen to in the afternoon,now its a must to avoid.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes I did hear mad McIvor on Friday and she made me sick.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:13am
    - dime
      
      i stopped listening to zn a long time ago.
      
      the only radio i bother with now is radio sport.. about 20 mins a week max.
      
      the newstalkzb newsroom is just far left. fuck em.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:18am
      - CHFR1
        
        Was an avid Newstalk ZB listener till a few years ago when Karl DuFresine left and now listen to podcasts as they raise my blood pressure less.
        
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        September 25, 2017 12:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      Poor guys are “tired” coz they work too hard..
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        What’s wrong with saying that?
        Ain’t it true that white guys work hard?
        My dad was white and he worked himself to death at 40.
        
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        September 25, 2017 6:49pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      McIvor and Dye are shit. Danny Watson was shit before them.
      Nissan or whatever her name is – that is total total utter total shiiiiiiiit. What the fark is that outdated woman’s day shit ?
      
      And my old stereo has decided it won’t tune in radiosport now. Bastard. But perfect reception for farking Nissan. Bastards. I can’t wait to get hot tips for origami plant holders. Bastards.
      
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      September 26, 2017 12:28am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  You can’t be sexist if you are a woman, no matter how much you hate on men.
  
  You can be racist if you are not white, no matter how much you hate on other races.
  
  You can’t be ageist if you are under 40, no matter how much you blame the baby boomers.
  
  You have no culture if you are white.
  
  White privilege is exhibited by anyone who wins an argument you.
  
  Obama is a hero for making it legal for men to go in women’s bathrooms.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:33am
- evergreen
  
  Seems the Left’s idea of ‘Democracy’ is one where Pakeha Men aren’t allowed to vote??
  
  YUP because you know F White People, especially if they are male
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:10am
- KevOB
  
  Stupid Pakeha Men
  
  I have been advocating admission tests for candidates for a while:
  No one under 40.
  Communists need not apply.
  SJW banned
  Climate change activists to have psych testing.
  
  There are more but I don’t want to exclude all women.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:20am
  - Biscuit
    
    We allowed women the VOTE?
    
    (Not the face, enraged females, not my pretty face!)
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Thanks for that KevOB. ?
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:46pm
- artemisia
  
  Will we see “not my PM”?
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:35am
- ex-golfer
  
  “What do we want? DEMOCRACY!
  When do we want it? ONLY WHEN OUR SIDE WINS!”
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:56am
Paulus

Interesting thought – if Winston agrees to go with now LabourMaori Party and the Greens then he will have to agree to side with them to vote to cancel the legislated Tax reductions in April next.
That will please his major party supporters the Superannuants.
Otherwise Taxinderella will not get the $2 billion she promulgated before the election.
Would this destroy the NZF party is does Winston not care.
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September 25, 2017 8:06am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  It would be up for negotiation and get a big no from Winston presumably.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:16am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The Greens also voted in favour of the Family Assistance Package after Budget 2017. Labour was the sole party to oppose tax cuts, increases to superannuation and increases to the Accommodation Supplement.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:40am
  - Piniwi
    
    Correction KS. There is NO increase superannuation. It is a gain from a tax reduction. Check the 2017 budget details. The annual increase will still come but that is normal.
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:35pm
- Duxton
  
  I thought the same thing. The result would be that Labour would be in an even bigger hole than they are at the moment. Given that we are due for another economic downturn (9-10 year cycles, and all that), it is likely that Labour and the Greens will be able to fulfill precisely none of their promises.
  
  The Machiavellian part of me wonders whether National shouldn’t let them have a go. I have felt for a while that this wouldn’t be a bad election to lose.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:31am
- BeeSting
  
  NZF is a Party Winston is a part of it.
  
  NZF will act responsibly in the Interests of
  All New Zealanders and New Zealand as a whole.
  
  You
  
  Voted New Zealand Last
  
  some
  
  Voted New Zealand First
  
  Two Ticks Black 2020
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:51am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    NZF is a Party Winston is a part of it.
    
    NZF will act responsibly in the Interests of
    All New Zealanders and New Zealand as a whole.
    
    You’re kidding, right? Nothing happens in NZF that Peters hasn’t approved. And NZF will act in whatever is in Peters’ best interests.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:32am
  - realityczech
    
    Ignore the down ticks from the stuck up one eyed National cronies. Their boy Billy won’t be prime minister unless our boy Winnie allows it.
    
    Enjoy their impotent rage at that fact 🙂
    
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    September 25, 2017 12:38pm
    - CHFR1
      
      Can’t wait to see the rage when you finally realise Winston is about Winston First and to hell with the rubes that voted for him…Baubles of office anyone??
      
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      September 25, 2017 1:01pm
      - realityczech
        
        National are about pandering to “their sort” and fuck all else. I say that as a long time supporter of them. But not this election.
        
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        September 25, 2017 6:25pm
- Prince
  
  Winstons tax policy was to adjust the tax brackets to recognise inflation, so he must support Nationals policy, not Labours TAX INCREASE.
  The Greens also supported Nationals policy, but we all know what hypocrites they are.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:01pm
Paulus Gnome

I have an ask of those in this blog.

I need to make contact with someone who lives in Waterford in Ireland to help me locate my daughter.

I want them to look in the local electoral register for an address which will help me to help her and her three children from a drunken, abusive, violent relationship.

I can be found at PO Box 101 539 Northshore Mail Centre.

I know this is a big ask for someone, a leap of faith on their part to have trust in the integrity of my intentions; all I can do, is ask.
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September 25, 2017 8:07am
- Colville
  
  Paulus
  Open a Gmail account and post it here so someone can contact you. a lot faster than snail mail ☺️
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:11am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Thank you team Kiwiblog
    
    I am at cominghome315@gmail.com
    
    It is an age thing, the PO box and stamps but I no longer have a landline so there is hope yet!
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:37am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Best of luck PG; I hope your daughter and grandchildren can be tracked down and moved to a safe place.
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:42am
    - wiseowl
      
      checktheregister.ie
      Not sure if that will do the trick Paulus.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:25am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Thank you, great help 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:49am
- kowtow
  
  PG
  
  Two options.
  
  1. Softly. Call the local Women’s Refuge and ask them to have a quiet word with her. They’ll be able to look her up. or at the very least give some advice to both you and her.
  
  2. The hard one. Phone the cops there and make a criminal complaint , they’ll investigate, especially if violence is alleged.
  
  Good luck.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Thank you, thank you all here.
    
    It becomes really difficult really quickly.
    
    I am not sure what name she may be using. Small glimmer of hope, there are only 53,504 people living in Waterford. It is difficult to talk to people in organisations about someone even with the name because of confidentiality, a position that I understand.
    
    There is a whole lot more reasons that preclude the authorities being involved, none of them malicious, all to do with the possible outcome for my daughter, all stemming from a parent using the children as a weapon in proceedings.
    
    My sixpennth worth for anyone involved in proceedings involving your children, my Dads4 hat; win the first argument at any cost as all decisions reached thereafter by the Courts, will stem from the initial decision. If that decision is flawed, every subsequent decision is also flawed as the findings are built on that decision as no Judge wants to show up another member of the fellowship as a fuckknuckle.
    
    If you think a barrister is too expensive, you will find out that not having one is more expensive.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:06am
  - GoVege
    
    #2 is harder but best.
    Bullies usually only listen to a superior force.
    Plus the cops can provide him with suitable alternative accommodation (for free!) instead of your daughter and grandchildren having to run off to a grotty refuge.
    
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    September 25, 2017 6:57pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Best of luck on this PG. I’m must be heartbreaking to to think of your daughter and grandchildren in this situation
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:38am
- SPC
  
  Phone the Waterford Council.
  
  http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/departments/corporate/customer-care.htm
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:46am
- Piniwi
  
  Let your fingers do the walking Paulus Gnome. Use FB to visit the district FB page and put your question there. Or on a contributors page on that sight. If you are not on FB find a friend who is. Or Google Waterford Ireland City & Country Council Electoral roll and start from there.
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:46pm
Paulus

Talking to retired Cousin ex very senior in Canberra and he raised with me the subject which I have fought him over – corruption in New Zealand versus the endemic corruption in Australia.
His Sir Humphry comment is that if one man can control the election of a Parliament then how is this not corruption.
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September 25, 2017 8:09am
- KevOB
  
  Constitutional conventions control: not a single person. A would be PM has to satisfy the Governor General that they can form a government that has the confidence of the Parliament so that the functional finance Bills can be passed.
  Every Westminster style Government has to face cobbling together agreement as to supply. Minority governments are not uncommon nor improper.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:43am
- BeeSting
  
  It is not One Man it is a POLITICAL PARTY
  working to a SYSTEM, MMP
  
  YOU ALL VOTED FOR.
  
  The Banana Republic
  The Land of the F U C K WITS
  the Island Appropriately Shaped like a COWPAT
  
  Called Australia should
  
  REMOVE ONE LAYER of GVT
  
  Allow Kiwis to Vote and Stand for Election
  
  They might get someone who can run that
  back wards graffiti Covered Crime infested
  Crap Hole.
  
  MAYBE IF THEY HAD NOT IMPRISONED
  
  PAULINE HANSON with the backing
  of a CORRUPT Chinese Communist Businessman
  and Abbots assistance
  
  THEy would be in Better Shape.
  
  But hey as the CAMEL HUMPERS
  Obsess with GAY Marriage I expect
  all the Terrorists of AUSTRALIA
  will be missing their REGULAR
  BLOW JOBS from the OZ GVT
  
  May be this W A N K E R should ask his
  Government why New Zealanders
  are held with out trial or Charges?
  
  YOU DO NOT HAVE A F U C K ING CLUE
  BUDDY
  
  YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR NZ GOVERNMENT
  why they ALLOW IMMIGRANT
  to Sexually Assault people on bail
  
  In West Auckland
  
  That was Michael Joseph Savages Electorate
  was it not?
  
  Yes
  
  The only time NZ was Governed Properly was
  
  By and Irish Catholic Political Rebel
  and Visionary Born in the Same
  Town as NED KELLY in Australia.
  
  Australia
  LAND OF THE FUCK WITs
  
  AUSTRALIA now
  LAND OF THE DICK HEADS
  
  ASK HIM WHY AUSTRALIA
  IS BEING USED BY ISIS
  AS A TRAINING BASE MATE
  
  ASK HIM THAT
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:06am
  - softail 1450
    
    get back on your medication bee sting ,the men in white coats will be kicking down your door again.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The suspended Scorpion re-emerges with a much smaller sting in his tail, but still making as little sense…
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Bee Sting, you are remarkably similar to Scorpion, who bit his own tail in General Debate yesterday.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:31am
    - realityczech
      
      That is just what a “sheep sodomite” would say Jackie.
      
      A bit stink giving poor little Scorpy 3 lashes in one go. 🙁
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:06pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Changing your username is easy. Changing your IQ and literacy level is much more difficult.
    
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    September 25, 2017 12:57pm
  - GoVege
    
    Are you depressed, Beesting?
    You are not alone….. (especially after this weekend.)
    
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    September 25, 2017 7:01pm
kowtow

On media bias.

In Germany the FDP , a libertarian party who were former coalition partners with the CDU is doing well at about 10 % , They say refugees should be returned. No one is calling them “far right”.

Black American football players kneel for anthem in “act of defiance against Trump”.

But the Kaepernick caper started under Obama , these clowns are merely thickos latching onto a trendy fashion .
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September 25, 2017 8:10am
PJ39

Winston is an incoherent moron. Let him go left. The cost of a deal to National will be too high. It will be a nightmare.
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September 25, 2017 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  
  Rather have him hook up with Labour/Greens. They will spend so much time fighting they won’t get anything doe.
  
  A government with NZF in the mix has never lasted more than one session.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:34am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Totally agree. Bill needs to say, you are the junior party in this negotiation Winston, these are the items i am happy to be flexible on. Don’t like it then you need to hitch your wagon to Labour and the Greens.
  
  Winston is like an ex-wife. Its never a good idea to get back into bed with them.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:45am
- KevOB
  
  You are an authority on nightmares?
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:44am
- ex-golfer
  
  Totally agree.
  Jacinda will never be able to manage Winston, let alone the arrogant Shaw. Especially through the predicted economic downturn (even though National have left us in a good state to weather the storm).
  It will be FUBAR and we’ll be back to the polls pretty quickly.
  
  Although I doubt Bill will be strong enough to tell WP to fling his hook.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:07am
  - david
    
    Pedantic alert.
    It is. ” sling his hook ” when properly used.
    
    You are welcome, any time.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:37pm
  - KevOB
    
    Winston and Bill are two of the longest serving members. Winston comments the other day humbly acknowledged his party’s position and the responsibility. He mentioned his expectations were limited by the need to form a stable government and the situation being different post election to the previous politicking.
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:30pm
Huevon

The vile Turei woman is unrepentant. In her “exit” interview in the Herald, she says she has no regrets. Her political career is over, she has almost halved her party’s vote and has destroyed the careers of two other MPs….and she doesn’t care. Have we ever had anyone more repulsive serve in New Zealand’s parliament?
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September 25, 2017 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Well in some ways we should thank her.
  
  She helped expose the Greens for what they truly are.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:16am
  - Colville
    
    All she did is send a lot of traditional labour voters back to Labour
    Taxcinda should send her a thank you card
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:24am
- dime
  
  shes fucking gross
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:17am
  - Gabby
    
    dim’s gettin fastidious
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:12pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  That dishonest pile of organic bulldust isn’t gone anywhere.
  
  That cancre still needs to make a living, I think she will surface fairly quickly in one of two guises:
  a) she’ll be seen lurking the corridors of the Beehive, having been installed as a ‘political advisor’ and funded out of the leader’s budget
  or
  b) she’ll put herself forward for the first available local councillor role she can find
  
  The former is much more worrying, because it’ll signal that the monster is biding her time for a return to the MP ranks.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    She ain’t giving up the trough in a hurry!
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:06am
- Keeping Stock
  
  We had an interesting situation here in Whanganui. The local Green Party candidate, at each of the candidate meetings, said she was only campaigning for the PARTY vote, and did not want people to vote for her on the candidate ballot paper.
  
  So how did she get on? Not as intended; she ended up with 200 more candidate votes than the Greens got party votes!
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:47am
  - Chris2
    
    Turei maintained her Electorate candidacy because when she lost, she automatically became eligible for three months salary (circa $40,000) as a defeated sitting MP. If she had withdrawn from running for a seat, she would have been deemed to have resigned and no golden hand-shake for her.
    
    That is the ONLY reason she did not withdraw her candidacy.
    
    So she rips off the tax-payer again, just as she did whilst a welfare beneficiary.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:06am
    - peterwn
      
      Wrong. A MP who does not seek re-election at a general election is entitled to three months pay as from election day – the same as a sitting MP who is unsuccessful in the election. So she gained nothing pay-wise from standing for an electorate (and indeed was probably $300 out of pocket with her deposit).
      
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      September 25, 2017 11:08am
- Duxton
  
  “Have we ever had anyone more repulsive serve in New Zealand’s parliament?”
  
  Yes, and he is still there.
  
  Trevor Mallard.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Ah yes, Trevor Mallard. He certainly made the right decision not to get into a contest in Hutt South with Chris Bishop. Had he done so, I suspect Bishop’s winning margin would have been considerably more than the more-than-2000 he achieved on Election Night.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:39am
  - KevOB
    
    That’s unreasonable. Trevor Mallard was a very able MP in the earlier years: he could show up the Leader readily. That may have been the trouble. He never made the grade I expected he could. It is equally likely that health intervened. Parliament is devastating for many.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:54am
- MrTips
  
  Helen Clark
  Alamein Kopu
  Michael Laws
  Tim Barnett
  Chris Carter
  
  take your pick, the list of troughers is long….
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:44am
- Rachael Membery
  
  She will still be employed by the Greens in some capacity.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:23am
- softail 1450
  
  huevon,yes fricking hone harawira was just as bad if not worse than turei,,,,
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:35am
- GoVege
  
  Calm down, Huevon.
  She ain’t “repulsive” by any stretch, just incredibly naive IMHO.
  ….about hypocritical Kiwis’ sanctimonious and self-righteous attitudes to beneficiaries.
  All righties like to pretend they never diddle their tax or put a foot wrong.
  When many are actually the biggest thieves out.
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:14pm
Gruffydd

I see scorpion got three strikes you are out yesterday..
Strangely another commentator who we haven’t seen for a while with a very similar style popped up.
beesting.
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September 25, 2017 8:14am
- krazykiwi
  
  There are one in the same.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:40am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Yes Griff, I reported that vile post of his and if I see BeeSting appear I will be reporting his posts as a commentator breaching the ban rules.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:54am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Meh.
    He is so obviously nuts I find it amusing.
    Especially as he supports whinny.
    It tars the rest of the NZF supporters with the same brush.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:10am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I wouldn’t be surprised if now that the scorpion and beesting profiles have been banned, stephieboy pops up again.
      Also I think they’re reverse trolls, designed to make NZF supporters look like nutters.
      
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      September 25, 2017 11:51am
      - Gruffydd
        
        No I believe its a nutter that has been here for far longer than I have.
        It was permanently banned under the old policy and has a history of reincarnation under new names.
        
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        September 25, 2017 12:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    Snitches are scum. You are repulsive.
    
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    September 25, 2017 7:14pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Meh.
      He is so obviously nuts I find it amusing.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:37pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Cry me a river.
      I have had 5 commenting complaints and sanctions against me and dealt with the bans so fuck your criminal code.
      In other words fuck off and tell someone who gives a flying fuck.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:38pm
    - Gabby
      
      You so gangsta rillyczitty.
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:13pm
oldpark

Heard the wee funny peculiar woman Rachel Smalley ,who is on an early morning Radio Station programme.Smalley better known as the “Lardo Lady” .She was overheard some time ago, saying the NZs females who were over 70kgs were Lardos and Heifers.
This morning she put her mouth into action before her brain was in gear.
On the election results National 58 Seats,Labour 45.
She then said a mood in NZ for change. With results like that it reads “No Change” for NZ.
She then made the “ageist” comment regarding Winston Peter at 73.Also the “Commie Chic ” Comrade Arderns’age said to be circa 37. Her comments were out of order as she was making a subtle suggestion that Winston Peters was too old to make certain decisions that would not favour “Commie Chic” Comrade Arderns 45 Seats. To reiterate a mood by the electors for change. For who.Labour once more with all their bells and whistles, and in their pockets the Media Party took a beating on Saturday. What part of that do the sicko lefties not understand.
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September 25, 2017 8:17am
Colville

If we had a real Green party in this country they would be in talks with Bill English today.
Right now the Greens have the most leverage they will ever get,
Green or Winston should be the choice for the Nats .
It’s a choice that would be easy for me to make.
Shaw could get serious consessions on rivers and housing that would be next to impossible to get any other way
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September 25, 2017 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  These people are inherently opposers.
  
  Their niche is opposition.
  
  They can’t figure out that life in the political jungle encompasses compromise and cooperation.
  
  They need to study natural ecosystems more closely.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Just say it Maggy, the Greens are weird, as well as obsessive in their ideological doctrine. They are on the other end of the spectrum from astute political players and don’t understand the nuances of how the political game is played.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:16am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They’re not an environmental party. They’re a socialist party.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:29am
  - brett68
    
    They’re not even a political party, they’re a religious organisation.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:48am
    - marcw
      
      Their religion is misery, pure and unrelenting. Nothing is good in this world, just doom, doom, doom. Best off without humans in gaia (except them of course … because feelings and values).
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:31am
- fluffykiwi
  
  If MMP worked properly this would be the way. It would give the strongest party choices for its coalition partner. The strongest party could not be held to ransom.
  In other words Winston Peters would not be in the box seat, either with National or Labour. The majority of voters would then get mostly what they had voted for with few concessions.
  Just imagine NZ First and the Greens in the same position.
  Well in fact they are with National, it could be one or the other.
  I hope Bill English makes the calls to both parties and see how it goes. He might not have to “give” so much.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:32am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    MMP is working properly.
    
    What you mean is “if it worked for the good of the nation”.
    
    And that there is the problem. MMP is a terrible form of electoral representation. It’s a con job. It delivers a sham of electorate representation, covered up by the idiocracy of PR.
    
    Three times in 20 years a loon has been put in the position of determining the government of the nation.
    
    Think about that! This is the third time, a government will have to wait for Winston’s pleasure.
    
    What’s the oldd expression about naivety and gullibility?
    
    “Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!”
    
    Well here NZ is, in the “Fool me thrice” situation. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We could have voted to get rid of this stupidest of electoral systems but we didn’t and fuck me if at the very next election we aren’t in the very same situation as 1996 and 2005 with Winston holding the balance of power.
    
    Shame on NZ for voting to keep MMP, it has fooled us for a third time!
    
    Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
    
    We did the same thing and we got the same result.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:49am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      I agree MMP is not working with our small population (it seems) however it is what we have got and we have to make the best of it. Perhaps the electorate needs to become more sophisticated and only vote for National and Labour and thus do away with the need for MMP. Make it a 2 horse race.
      Well that might be in our dreams, people never behave the way you or I might want them to. That is the beauty of democracy, but also in this case its problem, because in actual fact democracy is not working as it should. The majority are not in a position to govern without compromising what they want. AND the compromise is not something that the voters have a say in.
      STV but National and Labour interfered with the original outcome of the MMP vote. People wanted change, but they actually wanted a say in that change and they were never given the right to choose between the different voting systems.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:01am
    - Gruffydd
      
      We voted for MMP .
      We think its the best system for NZ.
      You think it is not a good system because it give result you don’t agree with.
      That’s democracy.
      Some of us find it non threatening to have a majority rule .
      
      Those that think whinny has all the cards and is in control have no idea about politics.
      He will get concessions commiserate his share of the democratic vote . If he demands far more he is not the only option.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We voted for MMP .
        
        Nope.
        I voted for STV.
        
        Anyone could have seen MMP was a dog!
        
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        September 25, 2017 1:39pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The majority is legitimately called “we ”
        “We” voted three times for MMP .
        1992 1993 2011.
        
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        September 25, 2017 2:50pm
      - Nermal
        
        I certainly voted for MMP. Don’t forget that 85% voted to change the system from FPP, and 65% voted MMP cf. 16% for STV, 6% for PV and 5% for SM.
        
        And as a system to get a consensus of voter preferences it works. My first preference would have been a National/Act coalition. As that’s not possible, it lookS like my second choice, a National/NZF coalition is likely. Good result.
        
        I laugh at every election result where the whiners complain that everything would be fine if only we changed the electoral system, or if only the voters weren’t so stupid. Under democracy we get the government we deserve, and if after 3 years we don’t like it we can change it.
        
        In the meantime, aren’t blogs so much more fun when people are pissed off. Imagine how boring blogs must be in North Korea, with their perfect leader.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:44pm
  - Gabby
    
    I hope they tell him they’ll support nats on confidence and supply as and when it suits, and he can take that to the bank.
    
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    September 25, 2017 3:09pm
- VicParking
  
  The problem is the Greens have shifted from a Green NZ party to a Green with Envy party. They ditched their two ‘ecology’ candidates and turned their four legged stool (ecology, social responsibility, grassroots democracy, and nonviolence.) into a one legged one (social troughing).
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:31am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Lol “Green with envy” that’s so on the money.
    
    Thank you!
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:31pm
- KevOB
  
  Not bloomin’ likely.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:57am
- Peter
  
  Children are idealists. Some people just never grow up. They are green.
  
  Idealists, if they ever got power, would last five minutes – before the real world tore them to shreds.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:52am
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Given that the vote for national was anchored by Chinese and Indian immigrants with residency in Auckland wanting to bring their families in, you can rule out any notion of Winstone going with boring Bill.
He is against immigration as a means to artificially increase GDP and simultaneously reduce GDP per capita.
Goodbye Judith, goodbye Amy and excellent riddance to you Madames Lafarge
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September 25, 2017 8:33am
- VicParking
  
  Rubbish and thats being kind because its a Monday.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:32am
- KevOB
  
  …against immigration as a means to artificially increase GDP
  
  That’s not unreasonable: dogma about economics and politics is.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:59am
  - Notsofast
    
    There seems more dogma than debate where people show their workings around here. I tried to substantiate why I think Winstone will eschew National, but even I might be wrong!
    I am ready to export myself if Judith Collins and Amy Adams continue to be in a position to defraud innocent prisoners of their due compensation.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:58am
cmm

Winnie will go with National and here’s why:

Prosser has called that Winnie will go left. Winnie will bend over backwards to not do what Prosser said. Therefore he’s going to go with National.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97186791/outgoing-nz-first-mp-richard-prosser-says-winston-peters-will-go-left
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September 25, 2017 8:37am
- GoVege
  
  After the Nats released his pension info?
  I doubt it…
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:11pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No they didn’t, where’s your proof, or do you not ascribe to that standard?
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:36pm
    - GoVege
      
      You’re a bit niggly today Rache.
      Who else could have leaked details from MSD?
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:07pm
  - Nermal
    
    I suspect that an unpublicised condition will see a quiet resignation or two in three months or so “in search of new opportunities”. These are a few of the dead rats that National will happily swallow to stay in power.
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:50pm
oldpark

Read the same theme on another site regarding the waste of space benefit fraud support party the “greens”.
Just after 9.00 am .on a Radio Station doing a post mortem on the election results. James Shaw from the waste of space “green” party was being interviewed.
Question .Opportunity here to go with National Party in coalition. Shaw all most outraged ,to be asked such a question. No way, No way, No way.
What an indictment of a so called party for the enviornment called “greens”,showed their true colours. They were in Parliament for the massive taxpayer millions sitting in judgement under a so called MMP system .Not there for the good of NZ only there to scam and scrounge off the taxpayer.
Not sure why Materialistic Turei had to cut and run. The only difference between her and the “green party” she admitted to stealing off the taxpayers of NZ.To think after being in Parliament for 21 Years leeching off the NZ Taxpayer,what have they accomplished ,other that refusing to imitate their name “Greens” and live up to their myth of enviornment protection.
James Shaw was just handed the opportunity to deliver and be a real “Green” party with a coalition with National Party and serve the long suffering NZs taxpayer. Just for once do something useful.
Like the coward he and the Party of “Green “bludgers and the no hopers he represents the answer was NO! NO! NO!.
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September 25, 2017 8:41am
- peterwn
  
  Seems James has indicated that if Bill gives him a call, he would not hang up in Bill’s ear. This is actually a start. James is either very naive or is very cunning. He cannot be seen to be cuddling up to National at this stage (there would be a storm of outrage from some in his party) but yet there are enormous potential advantages for the Greens if they bargain with National even if they finally do not do a deal. Winston has decided to go fishing for a few days presumably as he feels confident that James and Bill would not reach any deal in his absence. This could well be a blunder on Winston’s part, possibly the first of several. If I were in Winston’s shoes I would recognise that a government could be potentially formed behind my back (even if unlikely) and would want to kick off discussions today (if not yesterday).
  Similarly if I was in Jacinda’s shoes I would not totally discount the possibility of the Greens going with National and be prepared to accommodate the Greens more than Helen Clark did.
  The Greens hold the key to Winston’s bargaining strength – the Greens could make life miserable for Winston and greatly diminish his bargaining strength even if they have no intention of getting into bed with National at the end of the day.
  James would be totally thick not to realise this – I just do not believe that he is personally that dumb although some in his party would be.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:22am
  - Ross12
    
    Disagree Peter.
    I think Shaw is politically naive, at best, but most probably thick , to go with it. That rant on Saturday night sealed my opinion of him.
    If he was any good as a leader he would treat this 75% vote required by the Green’s rules as a challenge and roll his sleeves and go for it. But I don’t think he would know where to start.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:48am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      He can’t do anything until the co-vagina is installed. Even then he can’t do anything, Greens are nothing more than the ultra left of the Labour Party.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:58am
    - Gruffydd
      
      He would need some balls .
      His are kept in a hemp handbag in the clutches of his compatriots.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:00am
  - Gabby
    
    He has a fair idea what happens to minor parties in coalition with big ones.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:21pm
    - Ross12
      
      Does that mean he won’t talk to Labour , on that side of the divide?
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:39pm
      - Prince
        
        Well, he’s been in a coalition with Labour, and seen his vote halved.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:13pm
  - Nermal
    
    Not a chance. WO has had some excellent podcasts with Simon Lusk on the machinations of politics in NZ. One interesting point was that regardless of the political spectrum, everyone hated the Greens, because they were sanctimonious, couldn’t be trusted, and were lazy MP’s, preferring to grandstand rather than doing the hard yards in the electorates.
    
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    September 25, 2017 5:01pm
- KevOB
  
  Meturia Turei went because Greens would have <5% and no party if she stayed.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:03am
  - softail 1450
    
    she hasn’t gone yet ….
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:47am
    - KevOB
      
      She does not appear on any party list and did not win a seat!
      
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      September 25, 2017 4:36pm
waikatogirl

Twatford reckons that even though National have the majority of votes Bill has overreached his mandate as caretaker PM in sounding like he can form a government. Surely Twatford can see Bill is just being “relentlessly positive” about the outcome of the negotiations!

Chris Trotter believes National are the party Winston will go with. He made the point that the 46% National voters are the powerful and decision makers throughout the country and will not appreciate the majority vote being passed over if Winnie, Liarbour and the greens form the government. He said National would be relentless in undermining the left leadership if they gained power.
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September 25, 2017 8:45am
- itstricky
  
  Twatford
  
  Swifty!
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:51am
- fylde
  
  Labour and Winston First deserve each other. I would prefer if Bill did not tarnish his rep by going with the Winston first party. 6 months in opposition and then the lefties / nationalistic racists will be thrown out
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:18am
  - dime
    
    ya think that, but it wont happen. they will last. and it will hurt.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:43am
  - Nermal
    
    ”.. tarnish his rep ..”
    PMSL
    
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    September 25, 2017 5:04pm
- peterwn
  
  He should read the Cabinet Manual more carefully. A caretaker government is limited in the executive actions it can take (or consult with party leaders if something urgent arises). A caretaker PM can express views in the role of party leader on the likelihood of being able to form a government.
  Phil Twyford as a potential Minister and party strategist should have a sounder knowledge of the contents of the Cabinet Manual than this.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:22am
Steve (North Shore)

Well, from the interior of Alaska I found something to describe Labour:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cizbsdopmpcgn9l/Lets%20do%20this.jpg?dl=0
And then:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/groz03zbypdmqqd/gutted.jpg?dl=0
Well and truly gutted
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September 25, 2017 8:47am
Walking Mad

Shaw kept saying there is a mood for change in the air. I agree, people want much much less Greens. Roughly 50% less.
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September 25, 2017 8:48am
Happychappy

It showed the metal state of Winston Peters and how for a seasoned politician his bitterness got to him in his first interview on TV Three yesterday morning. No Leader should resort to abuse or threaten to throw a Jornalist in the water when being interviewed about the election result.
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September 25, 2017 8:50am
- itstricky
  
  Looked like a pretty congenial and light hearted joke to me.
  
  Funny that you should stand up for journalists here, of all places.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:53am
  - VicParking
    
    Winston unlike other politicans does not like “Leading” questions and treats those that make them with distain.
    Also he hates Llyod.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:37am
    - Prince
      
      If he hates the liar Lloyd Burr, he’s gone up in my estimation.
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:16pm
- peterwn
  
  Winston has gone fishing for a few days presumably to let Bill and Jacinda stew in their own juices. This does however give them time to better size Winston up. This is a classic negotiating situation – review the other parties’ stances, attitudes, strengths, weaknesses, foibles etc. Interesting to know what team Winston will have supporting him – I suspect he will run his side single handed – not the wisest thing to do.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    It is just Winston playing the drama queen.
    
    The longer he does this, the more airtime he gets. Just what a huge ego needs.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Given the journalist in question was Lloyd Burr, I’d cut Peters some slack Happychappy. Don’t forget that, not so long ago, Burr effectively forced a gay MP into a public “coming out” by threatening to “out” him.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Burr was insisting Winnie give him answers as “we have followed your campaign for weeks”. Winnie challenged him saying the NZ1st bus had done 5000km and he hadn’t seen Lloyd Burr once along the roadways once. Burr sulked and said they had been following his campaign from the press office in Wellington. Winnie was right to give him a flea in his ear. ?
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:42am
    - Happychappy
      
      waikatogirl Lloyd Burr is a second rate Journalist and deserves what he gets, but can you tell me once when Bill English has resorted to abuse or being a smart arse with the media when under pressure from Journalists doing a hit for Winston Peters concerning the 450 text messages between him and his ex staffer. Winston Peters used every dirty trick in the book to get the Prime Minister to fold and tried to bluff saying he had emails confirming English sold out Todd Barclay but English has never put on a display with bitterness and contempt to any media outlet.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:43am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Happily I agree with you Happy! ?
        
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        September 25, 2017 1:59pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    The funniest thing about Saturday night is when Burr was interviewing a withering Dover Samuels at the NZF party.
    Samuels kept calling Burr “Duncan”. LOL
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:23am
- wiseowl
  
  It is nothing to do with his mental state Happy.
  Given the continual abuse by people like you and the media it’s not surprising he reacts the way he does.
  Maybe he should tweet to his supporters instead of trying to have a rational discussion with the denigrators.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:12am
  - Happychappy
    
    Wiseman you need talk about abuse your abuse of the word Maori tells what a deluded fool you are. You also make statements that are false and can’t show facts to back up your lies and instead accuse people of attacking you. Winston Peters has had his time and is not good for NZ Politics and like always his out of date tactics will hold the political system to ransom again.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:38am
- KevOB
  
  They are not journalists. They don’t journal they are almost all activists. Some just interview their keyboards.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:07am
- softail 1450
  
  happy ,to be fair winston was probably nursing a hangover and not in the mood for bullshit questions .especially from that porky bastard…
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:51am
- Gabby
  
  Maybe the journalist was a crappy chappy and needed a bath.
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:24pm
- Nermal
  
  Funniest treatment of a churnalist since Bob Jones punched Rod Vaughan, and then offered to pay double his fine if he could only punch him again.
  
  Don’t we all want to wipe the smirks off their sanctimonious faces?
  
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  September 25, 2017 5:08pm
Tauhei Notts

National have a very good man in Tim Van de Molen, new to Waikato. Let’s hope they use him properly.
What about Nelson? Labour won the party vote but a dongbeater named Smith won the constituency. Why oh why don’t Labour put decent people up against dingbats like Nick Smith.
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September 25, 2017 8:58am
itstricky

Kimbo – law change proposal. Double or triple word score for anyone who uses ‘long suffering’? It must be worth more that just the one adverb?
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September 25, 2017 8:59am
- Kimbo
  
  Thank you but no. Kimbo’s law aims for something more subtle than calling out cliches. But why not make it itstricky’s law™? Your chance for internet immortality. Then again, maybe someone of your obvious talents should aspire to something more than a command to drain your glass in a NZ political drinking game – no matter how accurate and apposite. 😉
  
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  September 25, 2017 11:03am
  - itstricky
    
    Fair enough. Not sure I want my own theorem but I think “Burt’s law of inverse unionism” is worth a craic.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:54am
    - tom hunter
      
      Burt’s Law of NZ Recessions?
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:28pm
    - Gabby
      
      Burt’s Law of Laterally Adjustable Reality.
      
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      September 25, 2017 3:04pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Brilliant gabby .
        Remember that one for MM when he gets back .
        He will crack up for days.
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        No story he is your love interest not mine.
        
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        September 25, 2017 4:33pm
dime

this mood for change line is funny.

a few electorate seats changed. thats it.

with nz1st almost history (as winnie retires), national are going to struggle. they arent going to get 50%. they need new allies.

maybe some nats need to break off and form the blue greens or something.
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September 25, 2017 9:01am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Dime, I’m not sure that a 50% result for the National is unachievable.
  
  Imagine a Labour led Govt this term supported by Greens and NZ1. Fast forward 3 years.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:10am
  - fylde
    
    Yeah most NZF votes should be there for the taking for the Nats with 50% possible
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  dime for PM! ?
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:01pm
- GoVege
  
  Nah…too close to Turkquoise….
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:40pm
MT_Tinman

Is Bill talking with Taxinda about an agreement on confidence and supply?

If not why not?

He should be talking to all minor parties.
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September 25, 2017 9:05am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

The solution to this election is obvious.
Winston Peters to become Chancellor of Germany.
Angela Merkel to become Prime Minister of New Zealand.
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September 25, 2017 9:08am
fylde

German election has similarities to NZ with a nationalistic party fermenting trouble
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September 25, 2017 9:14am
- Gruffydd
  
  I hope whinny goes left .
  The resulting gibbering on here will be a popcorn feast of monumental proportion .
  Following that we will see the left collapse .
  Even more popcorn.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:21am
  - cmm
    
    Until the commies nationalise the popcorn factories…
    
    I can see three positive things about Winnie going with Labour/Green:
    
    1) National are worn out after 9 really hard years (GFC, earthquakes, Pike, etc) and are not as shart as they were. A term out of government would give then a bit of a rest and get them some of that hunger back.
    
    2) A Labour/Green/NZF clusterfuck (I think that is now the established term) would be so dysfunctional that a generation of voters would get inoculated against communism.
    
    3) There’s always going to changes. The world is likely more stable over the next 3 years than it is going to be in the 2020s. Rather have the idiot team in now and have the Nat+ team back when we really need them again.
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:40am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Agreed
      Except for the nationalization of popcorn
      I did briefly consider voting labor purely as I think too long in power for one party is not good for NZ .
      They get complacent .
      The chance of corruption grows.
      Our left and right are not hugely different .
      Better national lose this time then come back rejuvenated than they continue marking time indefinitely.
      
      As to global stability.
      Trump and that funny little Korean are ramping up the war rhetoric.
      The Korean can not hurt us here .
      I don’t trust Trump to not get upset and press the big red button
      If he does we all lose.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:54am
      - cmm
        
        Why do we all lose if Trump pushed the button?
        
        Sure, it would be really terrible for the innocent people in Nork, but how would it impact anyone else? It would only get worse if this started a chain of events that bring in China etc.
        
        People way over-worry the impact of nukes. The energy released by the Tsar bomb (biggest nuke ever detonated) is about the same as an 8.2 earthquake. Those have only local impact.
        
        Anything Nork and USA fire at each other would be far smaller than that.
        
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        September 25, 2017 2:02pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Unless Trump nukes north Korea into dust and glass the north will retaliate bombarding the south with its artillery and killing tens of millions If he doesn’t flatten them first South Korea will fire Nukes into japan ,south Korea and or the USA
        Nuking the north flat will contaminant the neighboring county’s .
        War is a lose lose game.
        MAD
        Not as bad as the global one from the cold war but still Mutually Assured Destruction .
        
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        September 25, 2017 3:05pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Don’t be stupid Griff
        Any bomb dropped on NK by USA will be a surgical operation and wipe out Kim and all his lackeys with minimal damage to NK infrastructure. They know where he is at all times.
        
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        September 25, 2017 5:54pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        If you take out their leader it is not going to stop the troops .
        There is a huge amount of artillery already in place along the boarder.
        500,000 rounds and hour into Seoul will cause hundreds of thousand of deaths before they could be hunted down and neutralized.
        
        Most of the north Korean population have not had any contact with the west .
        A far as the population of north Korea is concerned they have been at war with the USA since the 50’s.
        Six and a half million fanatical, trained and well armed troops infected with the idea to defend north Korea from the west since birth.
        Fighting them would be like invading japan in 1945.
        Except they have not lost much of their potential fighting capacity in a long drawn out war.
        
        Any nuclear attack would need to melt the place to neutralize the entire army
        
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        September 25, 2017 6:19pm
    - cmm
      
      sharp, not shart.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:55am
    - KevOB
      
      A change of team in a year or so could also refresh National. I am sure Bill will have this in mind.
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:11am
    - Gabby
      
      I’d say they’re even more shart cmmiebokkie.
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:27pm
Digmen1

Yes, we must not forgot that Winston lost his seat!

My Choices
1 NZF on the cross bench and Bill for PM
2 NZF in a coalition with National
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September 25, 2017 9:17am
- cmm
  
  Winston losing his seat will make him bitter and mean. Utu.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:33am
  - Gabby
    
    But it makes NZ1st safer. No byelection whenif the whisky smokes catch up with him.
    
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    September 25, 2017 3:01pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

So the left really got destroyed in Germany.
Trump must be happy.
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September 25, 2017 9:33am
- Nukuleka
  
  This is the type of comment that a troll makes- no context, no obvious point being made, no details.
  
  Butt out.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:13am
MrTips

I’d like NZF/Nats coalition with Ron Mark made personal Minister for SAS Target Practice who’s encouraged to really, really get his hands dirty….
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September 25, 2017 9:48am
- cmm
  
  Well they could hand Ron Mark the mike next time Hager and ilk come out with another SAS hit-job.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:56am
SPC

MMP. The realm of compromise and negotiation.

I said pre-election not to discount a National-Green government. They would have to offer Greens more than they would get from confidence and supply to a Labour-NZFirst government.

I said post election that National would have to approach the Greens (and demonstrate this would be the case).

It is possible if Greens are taken for granted AND National made real concessions.

Given Green party members would vote on whether to accept either arrangement – and Greens want change, they would have to make the better offer.
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September 25, 2017 9:55am
- SPC
  
  At the moment Shaw is signalling Greens will not support a Labour-NZ First coalition with confidence and supply.
  
  In the absence of any offer from National this is appalling negotiation practice – as it leaves only a National-NZ First option and diminishes NZ First leverage (and this after he says they have areas where they can work with NZ First). Not smart.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:59am
  - Walking Mad
    
    It’s just another grand standing. Since they’ve been called out that they are not really a party of principles if they will work with NZF, but flat out refused to work with National (prior).
    He will cave. Him and the greens will be faithfully standing at the sideline (AGAIN) and watch the Labour / NZF go their merry ways into a minority government.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:11am
  - Digmen1
    
    Where did you see that?
    If its true, that is the best news for me since the election.
    As it means that NZF has to go with National or on the cross benches.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:23am
    - SPC
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/greens-unlikely-to-back-labour-nz-first-from-outside-the-tent.html
      
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      September 25, 2017 10:48am
  - peterwn
    
    James’ attitude is quite OK for starters. Labour needs Greens’ support to form a government with Winston (and even then has only a barely workable majority of one) and James has indicated that the Greens will not just fall in line. National can form a government with either Winston or the Greens with a reasonable working majority. As I have mentioned previously James has not ruled out taking a phone call from Bill English.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:44pm
cmm

After all the effort trying to get the gangs involved in society, perhaps they didn’t vote…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11926127
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September 25, 2017 9:57am
- kowtow
  
  I understand that your criminal underclass type won’t vote in any event as it involves giving ones address to the authorities , something your average crim , not to mention serious offenders which a gang member is being part of an organised criminal conspiracy .
  
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  September 25, 2017 1:03pm
  - peterwn
    
    So they won’t vote if outside but badly want the vote if inside.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:46pm
Walking Mad

It’s cute that Shaw talks like he has any power at all.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/greens-unlikely-to-back-labour-nz-first-from-outside/ar-AAspHtd?li=BBqdmGR&ocid=mailsignout
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September 25, 2017 10:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The man has lead his party to a blazing defeat – down from 14 seats in Parliament to 7(?8).
  
  Perhaps he should reflect on what would have happened to his party vote if he had turfed Metiria Turei and declared that the Greens stood for honesty and transparency in all their dealings.
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:50am
  - SPC
    
    Simplistic.
    
    A lot of parties on the right emerged when National was weak, ACT in the 90’s and United in 2002.
    
    So too the Greens rose over 10% (two elections in a row) while Labour was weak (in the 90’s New Labour/Alliance).
    
    PS When there are co-leaders, and one makes captain’s call, what can the other one do?
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:04am
  - peterwn
    
    He did not lead his party to near defeat – his ex-co-leader did. James has had little choice but to proceed on the path that people in his party expect. However he has not absolutely ruled anything out – I see nothing wrong with his negotiating stance so far.
    
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    September 25, 2017 2:54pm
Lance

Peters is a well dressed man who takes his reputation and image VERY seriously (even if others don’t).

Can anyone imagine him going into coalition with such a bunch of obnoxious, vacuous and silly excuses of politicians as the Labour party?
Not to mention relying on the unwashed, ideology driven (to the point of self destruction) Greens?

His only hope of any kind of mana is with National.
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September 25, 2017 10:06am
- Gabby
  
  He and Pullya can gaze into each other’s eyes thinking, ‘You know, don’t you.’
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:32pm
SPC

Merkel, leads her party to 32.5% support.

The former opposition the Social Democrats which joined her coalition (like National-Labour here) fell to 20% and do not want to continue.

The FD the former coalition partners which left parliament in 2014 return with 10%. Meaning a coalition with the Greens also 10% is required to form a new government coalition (the left 10% and the anti-immigration nationalists 13.5% are the other parties).

PROBLEM. They closed down the aging nuclear plants and went back into coal. The Greens oppose use of the coal plants. More dependence on Russian gas …
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September 25, 2017 10:08am
- Ross12
  
  I know it won’t change anything but part of the 32.5% is the CSU who aren’t exactly happy with Merkel. They had a party conference in Bavaria last week and invited the PM of Hungray to it – Vicktor Orban the highest profile anti immigration European head of state.
  So Merkel is in for some tough negotiations , I think.
  If the CSU broke their traditional alliance with the CDU it would not mean Merkel was gone but symbolically it would “rattle a few trees”.
  
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  September 25, 2017 11:41am
  - SPC
    
    Merkel’s abandonment of Shengen agreement was possible because of the size of the coalition majority with the Social Democrats (reduced the say of the CSU).
    
    While the FD (pro business) and Greens (liberal) replace the SD, the small majority of the new coalition increases the influence of the CSU.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:58am
    - kowtow
      
      Hahaha
      
      The “liberal pro business” FDP want to kick the ‘refugees’ out . That’s probably what got them back into parliament.
      
      I don’t see the MSM ranting about them being ‘far right”.
      
      ”The FDP failed to make it into the Bundestag in the last election, but they have been reinvigorated by their energetic young leader, Christian Lindner.
      
      Lindner has made the most of public disgruntlement with the government’s bailout policies towards Greece by calling for Athens to temporarily leave the single currency. He has also taken a notably tough line on refugees, saying that people who have sought refuge in Germany should be sent home as soon as possible.’
      
      https://www.thelocal.de/20170922/major-parties-face-heavy-losses-in-election-as-germany-shits-to-the-right
      
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      September 25, 2017 12:58pm
Manolo

A clown from the past:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/23/biden-rips-trump-over-race-in-south-carolina-return-243060
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September 25, 2017 10:14am
Manolo

The sellers of smoke snipe at each other:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/nationworld/ct-conservative-theologians-pope-heresy-20170923-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cDovL2RydWRnZXJlcG9ydC5jb20v

Several dozen tradition-minded Roman Catholic theologians, priests and academics have formally accused Pope Francis of spreading heresy with his 2016 opening to divorced and civilly remarried Catholics.
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September 25, 2017 10:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You have to read this essay, Manolo.
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/09/23/the-evils-of-climate-enthusiasm/
  By a former US Navy Chaplain (R.C.)
  
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  September 25, 2017 10:43am
  - Manolo
    
    Thank you very much, dear Maggy. Our own Griff would benefit by reading it, too.
    
    Forecasts of global climate disaster have dominated the climate debate for the last 40 years. The father of the modern climate nihilism in the United States was James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Space Centre. Thirty years ago he predicted that Manhattan would be flooded by 2010. He is still predicting metres of sea level rise this century. Only ten years ago, a Professor in England predicted that the next generation of children in Scotland would never know snow. Australia wasted over 10 billion dollars building desalination plants due to advice from the Australian Climate Council that Australia would be trapped in never-ending drought due to climate change. Australians were told that their dams would never fill again, that Adelaide would endure eternal drought and that Perth would be the world’s first wasteland metropolis. The United Nations in 2005 predicted there would be 20 million climate refugees by 2010; there were none.
    
    Any sensible person would think these failed prophets should be sacked, but no: the environmental movement canonises its prophets. They continually reinvent themselves and remain supported and defended by university intelligentsia and by a media that loves headlines predicting disaster.
    
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    September 25, 2017 10:50am
  - SPC
    
    A useful contribution to the issue.
    
    But I am not so sure why he believes there are are 500 year cycles – and why he conveniently dates the latest one with the end of the Maunder minimum.
    
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    September 25, 2017 11:08am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Why do you think he makes up magic cycles ?
      Because its anything but CO2 even if it ignores basic atmospheric physics.
      Meantime .
      We have seen unprecedented train of extreme hurricanes hitting the Atlantic. 300 billion dollars plus wiped out in the Atlantic hurricane season already this year .
      NZ has had its wettest year on record costing us millions.
      The mounting cost is being noticed.
      leaving you idiots looking very stupid .
      
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      September 25, 2017 11:33am
      - Brito
        
        That Griff is because the cycles of inter-glacial’s are not stable. Cold for 10 years, hot for 20, cold for 5, wet and warm for 7. There is no rhythm.
        
        There is however a pattern to global cooling. If you knew, and studied the facts, and not read them on the internet, you could contribute to the discussion. Currently I have you pegged as a Chicken Little (see, ‘the sky is falling’).
        
        Griff, fuck off and take your hoards of mung bean eating, pot smokers with you.
        
        By the way, this is my final salute to you. I’m off until 2021. I’d like to say it’s been a pleasure but I’m not a left wing liar.
        
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        September 25, 2017 1:55pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Brito
        Bye bye smegwit.
        Don’t bend over in the shower now.
        
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        September 25, 2017 3:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        “We have seen unprecedented train of extreme hurricanes hitting the Atlantic. ”
        
        No we have not you babbling loon. LOL 🙂
        
        Even if it were true (it’s not) we have only been measuring these things for a few years.
        
        You are such a bullshitter and clearly unwell.
        
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        September 25, 2017 6:30pm
Digmen1

I like proportional representation.
But our system needs some more adjustments or a change.

For a start special votes need to be counted within two or three days!

No more of this late enrollment. If you cant be bothered to enrol early – it means you don’t care.

There are about 200 countries in the world.
Very few have FPP (USA and UK)
Very few have MMP (NZ and Germany)

So why don’t we look at some of the other systems?
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September 25, 2017 10:46am
- kowtow
  
  Sharia?
  
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  September 25, 2017 12:53pm
Manolo

UK Labour in disarray:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4914404/Corbyn-REFUSES-rule-free-movement-Brexit.html

The Labour leader desperately dodged when pressed whether loose immigration rules should be maintained after we formally leave the EU. And he said it was ‘impossible’ to put a timescale on how long the status quo should be maintained before ties are finally cut.

The desperate flannelling, in an interview to kick off the Labour conference in Brighton this morning, came as Labour faced a huge split on Brexit.
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September 25, 2017 11:06am
Brito

All I can say is ‘ka-ching’!!!!

Long may uncertainty rule.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/97200367/new-zealand-dollar-drops-as-markets-fret-over-weeks-of-coalition-talks
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September 25, 2017 11:47am
- Gabby
  
  Hope you don’t get burnt too badly Bitcho.
  That’s not true.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:29pm
  - Brito
    
    Ah Grubby, I just checked back in to see if you surfaced from your lair. I told Griff to fuck off back to the creche earlier and I was just coming back to sign off with you.
    
    I have some advice. If you keep using your toys the way you do, you’ll keep chipping your teeth.
    
    I’ll be back around again when the next elections are on but until then…use more lube and tell your friends down at the creche that Mr Filch the caretaker is everybody’s friend.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:51pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      I do so love a good LANCB
      haven’t seen one since story announced his departure for Thailand .
      
      Leaving and never coming back (commonly LANCB) is an internet euphemism whereby a frustrated participant in a forum, or blog, or whatever, takes away their ball and refuses to play. Sometimes this occurs after grandly declaring “victory,” but more often when they are simply unable to get their own way. Often times, the LANCBer cannot get his or her way because the forum is riddled with sycophants who gang up on them, even though the LANCBer is clearly correct.
      
      It is usually publicly announced, done with great fanfare, and followed by a quiet return within a week or even within a few minutes.A statement of LANCB virtually guarantees a return, thus destroying any ultimata or idealism involved in their “leaving.”
      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Leaving_and_never_coming_back
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:06pm
Fletch

A blast from the past. I posted this late last night so people might not have seen it. A skit from McPhail and Gatsby about Winston holding the country to ransom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztv7M4QMiAw

History repeats…
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September 25, 2017 11:58am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Ask the Bastard. Very apt!
  
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  September 25, 2017 12:02pm
AgentBallSack

Stuff and Herald are desperately calling for a 3 way coalition from hell in Labour Greens & NZF. Conveniently forgetting Winston despises the media more than he despises National. 2 more weeks of this and we will have a National minority Government with C&S from NZF.
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September 25, 2017 11:59am
- realityczech
  
  Preferable to having people like you running the country; materialistic cliquish jumped up little nobodies.
  
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  September 25, 2017 12:41pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    So you know me personally do you czech or are you just making shit up as usual?
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:47pm
    - realityczech
      
      Better than you know me, but nice double standard…
      
      You are a classic example of a jumped up little nobody desperate to fit in so you can feel like you “made it” and treating people like shit who you feel are of no worth to you. You reek of it.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:00pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        We know you kea .
        One word .
        Troll .
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:17pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Oh that’s good, you have no idea who the fuck I am then. Carry on shitting your way through the thread. Such a pleasure to have your soul displayed to me so easily though.
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:44pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Just think kea/realityczech/ krissx .
        If we could be arsed you would be permanently banned.
        As you can not help exposing your mental issues if you came back it would be only a matter of time before banned again.
        Having insane screen lickers to laugh at is part of the charm of KB.
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        No idea what you are babbling about loon
        
        Griff – 1st warning – 7/10/14, 2nd warning – 7/12/14, 1st strike – 3/6/15, 2nd strike – 18/12/15, 3rd strike – 20/2/16, 4th strike – 18/5/16, 5th strike – 6/7/16, 6th strike – 12/3/17
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:19pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Kea 1st strike – 2/10/14, 2nd strike – 4/10/14, 1st warning – 16/10/14, 2nd warning – 17/10/14, 3rd strike – 22/10/14, 4th strike – 24/11/14, 5th strike – 22/12/14, 6th strike – 6/2/14, 7th strike – 19/4/15, 8th strike – 27/7/15, 9th strike – 23/2/16
        KrissX – 1st strike 1/11/15, 2nd strike – 21/8/16, 3rd strike – 24/8/16
        RealityCzech – 1st strike 1/4/17
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        Griff I think you need to control your drug use. Its increasing your already worrying levels of paranoid delusions.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:28pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yip back to gibbering about pot because that’s all you have .
        I can stop smoking pot at any time. In fact I have a half oz of premo sitting in the cupboard and haven’t had a smoke for weeks.
        You my poor little screen licker will always be a nutter.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        I think you need to see someone about your thoughts. It might mean leaving the doomsday prepper compound, so perhaps a house visit would work for you ?
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:45pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, the media just will not let go!
  
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  September 25, 2017 1:44pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  Yes ABS, I encourage the media to keep telling Winston what to do! 🙂
  
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  September 25, 2017 7:40pm
kowtow

Look what happened in Sweden last night.

‘Passengers “threw themselves on the floor” to avoid the shots, according to newspaper Sydsvenskan.

A library and a residential home were also hit.’

https://www.thelocal.se/20170922/passengers-lucky-to-escape-injury-after-bus-is-shot-at-in-malmo
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September 25, 2017 12:52pm
cmm

Can someone with big crayons please draw me a picture explaining why a gang-banger with $6M in assets from criminal activity is also a beneficiary?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97202093/police-search-head-hunters-gang-pad-in-investigation-into-senior-member

It is absurd that we do not attach some sot of behaviour expectations to the koha.
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September 25, 2017 1:08pm
- GoVege
  
  Now THAT’S what I call benny fraud!
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:24pm
- SPC
  
  One can understand the dilemma.
  
  1. Not employed full-time
  2. Cannot declare the other income as obtained by illegal activities (which would result in becoming homeless if property was confiscated).
  3. There is no assets test for benefits.
  4. If one cannot declare ones means of living being on the Job Seeker Benefit is a convenience when under questioning.
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    I recall some Kiwi in Hong Kong getting arrested simply because it was obvious he couldn’t afford the home he was in on the income he had.
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:20pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    It will be the sickness benefit.
    No need to check in and fuck around with winz.
    There was a similar case in Ch CH of a skinhead doing the same rort that came out when his GF wanted winz to pay for new tires on her near new jeep.
    He was apparently addicted to pot .
    Total bullshite in other words .
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:51pm
- Gabby
  
  Same reason a lawyer with flash carpets pulls in his super?
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:31pm
cmm

First day of school for MPs

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97207738/the-new-bunch-of-mps-arrive-for-their-first-day-of-parliament

I hope laundry boy made sure Jacinda had clean knickers.
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September 25, 2017 2:44pm
- RF
  
  If laundry boy is her boyfriend I am certain he has a collection of spare knickers.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:18pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
When is former NZ Prime Minister John Key going to be investigated over the Panama Papers?

The Chair of the Board of Transparency International Jose Ugaz said that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers on 1 August 2017, at a meeting held at Rutherford House, Victoria University.

I was there, (with about 200 other people) and heard Jose Ugaz say this, myself.

Have any NZ mainstream media ever covered this story?

If not – WHY not?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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September 25, 2017 2:46pm
- sooty
  
  Piss off you old hag. You showed your relevance on saturday. Only 201 votes. Waste of space, time and effort. Pay your rates. Then you can have some water.
  
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  September 25, 2017 2:53pm
- cmm
  
  Why should anyone care what Jose Ugaz has to say at some random meeting of arbitrary agitators?
  
  I say that Penny Bright should pay her rates.
  
  Has the NZ mainstream media covered that story?
  
  If not – WHY not?
  
  cmm
  Anti-bludger whistle-blower
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:08pm
- MrTips
  
  Ms Bright
  
  There are very important questions that should be answered.
  
  1. Have you now, or have you ever, contemplated paying rates?
  2. Do you find Jeremy Elwood or Steve Braunais funny?
  3. Do either of them pay their rates?
  4. Have you met our friend Hugh Pavletich? He has some nice houses to sell you I’m sure….he may even let you rate one of them.
  5. Has a Nigerian bank manager ever offered to your rates for you? I can put you into contact with Mr Cheerful Precious if you like.
  
  These are important questions and until we get full and frank answers the matter just won’t be left alone.
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:24pm
  - Manolo
    
    6) Have you met our friend Kim Dot Com?
    
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    September 25, 2017 3:41pm
    - stigie
      
      7) Do you think we will ever run out of popcorn..?
      
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      September 25, 2017 3:47pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Penny
  In the interest of transparency have you published the source and amount of all your donations yet?
  
  If you want to be a Anti-corruption whistle-blower’ you must be above reproach your self.
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:27pm
  - sooty
    
    Just so the IRD can check. You know so that you are paying the correct amount of tax. You would not want everybody to think that you not paying tax and ripping of the benefit system, or anything. After all you would not want to be called the Me Tu of the north. A fraud!
    
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    September 25, 2017 4:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  There you go again, mistaking us for people who care.
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:09pm
- Nookin
  
  Penny, I rather suspect that Ugaz said something like
  “If what you say is true, why has he not been investigated?”
  
  That is entirely in keeping with someone receiving a diatribe of incoherent nonsense and making placating but keep-away-and-leave-me-alone comments.
  
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  September 25, 2017 7:16pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  200 people? Were they the stupid fuckers that voted for you? You do realise that 200 sad fucks out of the total voting population is 200/2,169,802 = 0.009217% of the vote. Not bad for a smelly, unkempt, delirious, dishonest old hag. Oh, and pay your rates.
  
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  September 25, 2017 9:05pm
waripori

We are stuck with MMP but it needs some changes. The Greens don’t know how to play as their refusal to consider both major parties regardless of what National might offer them hands NZ First much more influence than they should have.

We need to reduce the threshold to 3% to make it easier to have more parties in the parliament. That would stop one party ( NZ First ) holding everyone to ransom. It would also encourage the Greens for eg to split into a at left wing and an environmental wing. They might both get 3% but even than it would under our current situation allow the environmental wing to deal with the Nats without worrying about their communist cousins.

We should then et rid of the coattailing if you win an electorate seat. This makes for grubby deals and wont be necessary with a 3% threshold.

We should then scrap the maori seats as they do not belong in an MMP system and Maori don’t seem to have much trouble getting elected in general seats if they are good enough. Having 7 extra general electorates would make them geographically smaller and easier to represent. Spreading those on the Maori roll over general seats might make it even easier for Maori to get into parliament and reducing the threshold to 3% should mean one or two Maori parties could get list seats on their merits rather than depending on a 150 year old contrivance that was intended to be short term.
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September 25, 2017 2:54pm
- SPC
  
  1. We, or when Maori choose?
  2. end coat-tailing – agree.
  
  But National does the electorate giveaway to get the extra MP from an electorate and still get the full party list total.
  
  3. 3% is still too high for ACT …
  
  4. Blue Greens should form their own party and be given Epsom.
  
  5. Numerous parties getting 3% could complicate coalitions.
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:05pm
  - waripori
    
    Everybody chooses.
    
    3% seems about right to me. It does not seem all that easy to get there. Besides last parliament we had Maori, ACT and United future none of whom had anywhere near 3%. Seemed to work OK.
    
    It would mean new parties could start more easily and would make parliament more attuned to the electorate.
    
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    September 25, 2017 3:13pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Who is Maori?
    The ones on the Maori roll or include those on the general roll?
    What is a Maori?
    100% 50% 1% 0% Maori blood yet identifies as one?
    
    It is all our country I don’t see why an important question about our system of democracy should be limited to only the small minority who benefit from the apartheid system.
    
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    September 25, 2017 3:16pm
- KevOB
  
  The present 5% is about right. We don’t want every lunatic party representive in Parliament. Too many don’t make a coalition they make a farce. (Refer Italy 20 century.)
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:46pm
sooty

Dump the list MP seat.
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September 25, 2017 3:04pm
rangitoto

I hear that Twyford is ok to throw the Maori seats under the bus to try and court Winston. Nice of those on the Maori roll to vote Labour. Cheers but we don’t need you now. Hahaha.
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September 25, 2017 3:17pm
- SPC
  
  Not so much if the referendum is limited to those on the Maori roll.
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:52pm
- RF
  
  I hear Twyford has joined the increasing list of those who have been scalded by the commie chick. He has been sat on the naughty chair for speaking out of turn.
  
  Never mind Phil the whip cuts will heal over time.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:15pm
  - Gabby
    
    The increasing list is mostly just Phil rf rf. Choker chain needed.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

Classy work from the left.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11926235

Need any more reminding how lefty scum operate?
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September 25, 2017 3:36pm
- MrTips
  
  Yep, it was predicted by many on here that such acts would be highly likely if the left perceived they had, or actually lost the election. It could ramp up if Peters goes with National. Wonder what Jeremy Elwood thinks?
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s what happens when you have a bunch of lefties with bad feelz. Let’s hope they do indeed get their “3 more years of poverty and misery”. They deserve it.
  
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  September 25, 2017 3:54pm
- Longknives
  
  But wasn’t The People’s Princess claiming The Left were ‘Going High while they Go Low’ or something??
  
  This just confirms to me what utter,loser scum Labour/Green voters are..
  Criminals and Lifetime losers.
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:46pm
sooty

This elections biggest loser. Its a toss up.
The media party.
ME TU. From hero to zero.
Andrew Little from tits useless to been sued. If he was the answer, it was a stuuupid question.
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September 25, 2017 3:54pm
GoVege

I am SO depressed about the election result.
(Apart from the apartheid party losing.)
My son keeps telling me :”but mum, you’re better off under National”.
But I prefer to share the money around… (sob)
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September 25, 2017 4:45pm
- GoVege
  
  I mean the WEALTH….we got to share the wealth around… 🙂 🙂
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But I prefer to share the money around…
  
  No-one is preventing you from sharing your own money around…
  
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  September 25, 2017 5:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    I do, Maggie, I do.
    But I think it’s better for people to get paid a decent wage than go around begging.
    
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    September 25, 2017 7:18pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      So what’s a decent wage? National have done more to share the money around than any other party in recent history.
      I don’t see anyone going around begging – you must be living in Bangladesh.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well that’s partly true, Don.
        Helen should of raised the minimum wage.
        But it was the dumb Nats who brought in the ECA.
        Too greedy to remember that businesses always do better when the workers have some spending money!
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        GoVege, yes of course they do but mention of paying people a barely adequate wage suddenly makes them forget basic economics. Epic wankers.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:43pm
KevOB

Try a well salted glass of brewed licorice stalks–½ tbs of oregano vulgare oil can be added for seasoning.
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September 25, 2017 4:50pm
- Gruffydd
  
  You eat mung beans as well?
  
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  September 25, 2017 4:52pm
  - GoVege
    
    Nah…dont like to eat baby plants….only fully grown ones.
    Same with animals.
    You know the great thing about fish (wild-caught anyway) is that they not only live wild n free…but they live to a ripe old age too! 🙂
    AND they’re way better for you than mammals or birds.
    
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    September 25, 2017 8:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      Bullshit. Dangerous lies. B-12 is only biologically available to humans from animal sources.
      
      Note I said “biologically available” so don’t harp on about it being in the soil and other bullshit. We can only use the B-12 from animals. And without it we get serious, permanent nervous system and brain damage. In fact the human brain could not have formed without meat eating.
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:37pm
      - GoVege
        
        Fish is an animal isn’t it?
        Does it contain B12?
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:25pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Jesus go veg .
      Ever seen a work up ?
      Balled up bait fish so frightened they are trying to climb into the boat as hundreds of gannets dive from the sky and tuna scream in from below ya then get a Marko, Marlin or whale come though and the entire mess explodes in blood and scales.
      
      Markos are scary
      They look at you with those deep black eyes.
      Like a dolphin. you can see the intelligence except their teeth will cut you in half with one slash of the head .
      Taste real good smoked .
      
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      September 25, 2017 8:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        Bait fish?
        That’s illegal in CIVILIZED countries….
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      dont like to eat baby plants…
      
      and presumably there is no way you would consume an embryo plant….
      so no seeds, nuts, drupes, peas, beans,etc
      
      and of course you wouldn’t put a pregnant plant (i.e. a fruit) into your mouth…. no apple, peach, banana, orange, tomato, pumpkin, etc.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maggie: Seeds/nuts/drupes etc have NOT started to grow into a new plant yet!
        In any case, plants do not feel pain like animals do or they wouldn’t survive having leaves ripped off them.
        And they do not have a complex nervous system like most animals.
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Seeds/nuts/drupes etc have NOT started to grow into a new plant yet!
        
        It seems you may have forgotten (or never learnt) exactly what a seed is:
        Here’s a wee image of a dissected bean seed.
        http://blog.growingwithscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Bean-seed-parts.jpg
        See the baby plant inside…. all seeds are like this..
        a baby plant is inside usually surrounded by a yummy food source (Tiny seeds like orchid seed are an exception) and protected by an outer coat…… bit like a baby & placenta in a womb.
        
        The little perfectly formed plant within the seed has been growing for weeks/months since a couple of pollen cells double fertilised a flower’s egg cells.
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:55pm
- GoVege
  
  Yummy
  ..can u make me some? 🙂
  
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  September 25, 2017 5:02pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Nope the GF does the fortnightly rabbit food that I apparently need to ward of scurvy and rickets .
    I could cook you a nice rare steak.
    I still have some yummy home kill from the pet bull my brother kept at the old mans.
    
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    September 25, 2017 5:30pm
    - GoVege
      
      You do realize that bulls/cows are our biological cousins, don’t you Gruff?
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:20pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The link between Bovinae and homo sapiens is a little wider than cousins.
        We are omnivorous .
        Meat is a natural part of our diet.
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:28pm
      - nasska
        
        Can’t get my head around these vege freaks Griff.
        
        They claim to love animals then they go & eat their food! 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        Chimps are close relations. Here they are hunting smaller monkey and tearing them apart alive and screaming.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQq93Q2txrs
        
        The core of vegetarianism is the hate of nature. Without killing our eco system collapses.
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:18pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”tearing them apart alive and screaming.”…..
        
        You wait until you see one of the vegans dismembering a live advocado……or a sentient head of lettuce.
        
        At least WE have the common humanity required to stun our food before we bleed it out. 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        There’s plenty of veges for all, nasska.
        Whereas one moocow need’s a whole acre or something to raise it.
        As for chimps: basta*ds! I hate them! Fortunately our species is more closely related to sweet bonobo chimps…or we would have blasted ourselves off this planet by now…
        
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        September 25, 2017 8:56pm
      - realityczech
        
        Man killed wife for making vegetarian dinner: prosecutors
        
        A Pakistani immigrant beat his wife to death in their Brooklyn home after she made the mistake of cooking him lentils for dinner instead of the hearty meal of goat meat that he craved, according to court papers.
        
        http://nypost.com/2014/05/21/man-charged-with-killing-wife-after-she-made-him-the-wrong-dinner/
        
        [ You have been warned]
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:05pm
      - GoVege
        
        Gruffy: you know very well that our ancient gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt grandparents were furry little mammals, the same as cows.
        We are NOT designed for eating other animals.
        Eating mammal meat, in particular, gives us all sorts of horrible diseases.
        It’s just a bad habit we’ve been brainwashed is “normal “.
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        That poor Pakistani lady should have called her brute a goat-fu**er, not a mother-fu**er.
        He probably already had his way with the goat so he was compelled by his nutty religion to eat it afterwards.
        No wonder he was cross. 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:36pm
      - GoVege
        
        Vegeness is NOT the hate of nature RC.
        We’re not telling other animals not to be carnivorous.
        It’s just not what we’re evolved for.
        Plus it’s a bit primitive killing animals, don’t you think?
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Fortunately our species is more closely related to sweet bonobo chimps
        You really should stop listening to /reading fairy-tales.
        https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14926-loving-bonobos-have-a-carnivorous-dark-side/
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:59pm
      - realityczech
        
        He witnessed several monkey hunts among bonobos living in the Democratic Republic of Congo, and says, “they catch it and start eating it. They don’t bother to kill it”.
        
        LOL 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:05pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maggie/RC: those would be the Kim Yong Uns of the bonobo population. ..
        
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        September 25, 2017 10:18pm
- GoVege
  
  On election night mum tried to console me by telling me “Labour usually only gets in when things get so bad…people HAVE to make the effort to vote”..
  (Such an effort isn’t it?)
  
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  September 25, 2017 5:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    People only turn to communism when they are on their knees socially and economically.
    
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    September 25, 2017 6:36pm
    - GoVege
      
      True.
      And when they manage to better themselves (usually after some help from the state ), they turn into “two bob capitalists” and vote National.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:15pm
      - stigie
        
        Nothing wrong with that GoVeg, it’s better than being dumbed down by the left to receive state support hoping those dumbed down people will vote for them !~
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:39pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”they turn into “two bob capitalists” and vote National”……
        
        That’s the plan GoVege. Those with some guts & a decent attitude make it & leave the no hopers to vote themselves money they neither earn nor deserve.
        
        It can be done.
        
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        September 25, 2017 7:46pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nah fellas.
        The idea is to give young families a helping hand while they are hopefully educating their kids for self sufficiency.
        Unfortunately we’ve gone a bit too far and pay quite a few morons to have kids and NOT educate them but allow them to rent the kids out to pay for their drug habits.
        We reward bad behaviour instead of encouraging good.
        But the basis of a civilised society should be fair wages and assistance for children’s welfare (not their parents’.)
        
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        September 25, 2017 9:11pm
Muttonbird

The rats are jumping ship.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97222420/national-partys-most-senior-adviser-resigns
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September 25, 2017 7:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s been there for years. Jeez, you talk a lot of shit.
  
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  September 25, 2017 7:42pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  Bollocks Mutton. One man has resigned after a very long term of service.
  
  Your spin is laughable.
  
  You should read what your fellow comrade on the left thinks about Ardern’s failure and National’s success.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97197046/chris-trotter-bill-to-winston–lets-do-this
  
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  September 25, 2017 7:43pm
- stigie
  
  Yeah, so what Muttonhead, John Key went out on a high and this guy is probably doing the same.
  Typical leftie, always trying to look for doom and gloom !~
  
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  September 25, 2017 7:43pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    My guess is it’s part of the Nat/NZF negotiations.
    
    Eagleson was the architect of dirty politics and the leak of Winston’s data smacks of his sort of behaviour.
    
    English has ‘allowed him to resign’ (sacked him) as a stipulation of coalition talks.
    
    Funny how careers end, isn’t it?
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:23pm
Captain Mainwaring

No sign of ztrev today. Probably still celebrating Chris Bishop’s big win.
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September 25, 2017 8:17pm
- nasska
  
  He’s banned for two glorious months from last Friday. 🙂
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:29pm
- realityczech
  
  He was placed in the gulag during the pre election pogrom against those who are off message. You will notice nearly all the lefties are gone.
  
  Just a soulless empty echo chamber / circle jerk of vile one eyed Nats.
  
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  September 25, 2017 8:31pm
  - GoVege
    
    Yes it’s quite depressing isn’t it RC?
    I miss Milky, even if he does reckon I’m a racist asshole… 🙂
    
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    September 25, 2017 9:18pm
    - realityczech
      
      He thinks everyone is a racist. It makes him feel all smug and superior.
      
      He will be even worse when he is released.
      
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      September 25, 2017 9:27pm
  - Jack5
    
    Realityczech’s: “Just a soulless empty echo chamber / circle jerk of vile one eyed Nats.”
    
    Plus, of course, the Keas.
    
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    September 26, 2017 2:13pm
stigie

Yeah, great win for Bishop, he’s been going hard out !~
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September 25, 2017 8:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If you intend smuggling 1kg of gold by hiding it up your rectum, then practice walking normally before you head for the airport.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41383100
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- Left Right and Centre
  
  keep those uplifting links coming Mags . . .
  
  and don’t ever leave us alone with griff
  
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  September 26, 2017 1:53am
- GazzaW
  
  There’s gold in them thar buttocks………..
  
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  September 26, 2017 3:14am
Manolo

The Muslim mole is on to it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-isis-language-rhetoric-extremist-hate-speech-sadiq-khan-london-mayor-a7966501.html
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