General Debate 24 September 2017

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starboard

Bye bye liarbor for another term…heh.
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September 24, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  I am saddened by the result not that National did so well but the future.
  If we “assume” that Winston will go with National – for how long will it last and what are his conditions ?
  If it may be expected he will stuff up again and it become necessary to call another election at which time the Labour/Greens will have at least captured the voters properly such as the Youth vote – they nearly got there at the Universities giving away tax payers’s FREE money.
  From today onwards the Media party will be starting the vitriolic election time in the expectations that three year Government will not eventuate.
  Taxinderella will become Prime Minister within two years.
  The Maori Party are finished finally after some 150 years whatever.
  The real left wing world is sadly inevitable in New Zealand as we become a Republic of Aotearoa sadly led by a Communist and sycophants.
  Yesterday was only the precursor to a sad decline of a great country where jealousy and envy and hatred will become the norm.
  Welcome to the brave New World.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:19am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Steps have to be taken starting now to stop “the brave new world as described” happening. The “Right” need to stop sitting on their hands and being blind to what is going on. Business people need to wake up.
    I may be a National supporter and believe that overall they are best to lead this country, but unless National gets a natural support partner on the right once possible coalitition partners fade into oblivion and I include NZ First in that National will be doomed given MMP and all those little parties that pop up their heads, think the Conservatives etc.,
    People need to stop being selfish (not the way Gareth Morgan talks about selfish) and put the good of the country first. Their religion (conservatives) will count for nothing if the socialists take control.
    Act also needs to have a good hard look at themselves. They were on the right track with the younger voter but they need to broaden their appeal among new young business people and their older base (I voted party act to try and help national – I read their policies and liked a lot – certainly the charter schools appeal). Most parties have similar environmental save the rivers type of policies.
    National needs a party like Act on their right, maybe Act needs to “harden” up a little on some of their policies. They want to get rid of Maori seats and have less MPs is that all bad.
    National needs to modernise some of its thinking, but remain true to their base underlying values.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:38am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I voted National because of Taxinda’s land tax and cgt threats to Mum and Dad landlords and because Labour has even threatened cgt on the the ‘business part’ of family homes: a huge possible burden on small home business owners.
      
      However, a large portion of Kiwis seem to want cgt, and many have been persuaded that rentals are damp and mouldy and need WOFs. Many are also upset by the extreme housing inflation in Auckland.
      
      What National needs to do now to stay in power:
      
      1. Explain that NZ already taxes capital gains to control speculators through the 2 year ‘Bright Line’ test.
      2. Explain that NZ already taxes capital gains when people have invested even long term with the ‘intention’ of selling. It would be better if this was clarified to not hurt ‘Mum and Dad’ long term landlords with one or two rentals. These people form the backbone of the NZ rental market and are generally decent landlords. I know people who own just one or two rentals who are being investigated by IRD regarding their original ‘intentions’ decades ago. They have just been long term, fair and useful ‘Mum and Dad’ landlords.
      3. Explain that ‘land tax’ already exists as rates and many Kiwis on low incomes already find those rates quite high enough. Any further annual ‘land tax’ would just be passed on to tenants.
      4. Explain that standards regarding rental homes already exist, covering building regulations, insulation, power points, smoke alarms etc. Renting out inadequate buildings, eg. garages or leaking houses, is already illegal and should be reported.
      5. Explain that building dampness is often not the landlord’s fault but can be due to tenants’ lack of airing or internal clothes drying.
      6. Limit immigration numbers to ensure infrastructure and housing can catch up and we can keep enjoying uncrowded parks and beaches, have spaces for gardens and use our roads.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:03am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      National will be doomed given MMP and all those little parties that pop up their heads, think the Conservatives etc.,
      
      future advert . . .
      
      New from National, it’s National Right and National Lite – perfect coalition partners for any occasion !! Tired of all that appeasing centrist airy-fairy nonsense ? Try National Right !! They’re tough on crime and red tape.
      Looking for more ‘social equality’ without voting for a bunch of dirty tree-hugging hateful barking commies ? Why, there’s National Lite !! They care too much but they’re soooo sensible with win-win solutions to please the masses.
      
      With new National Right and National Lite – everyone can play MMP and get the centre-right coalition they really want . . . yaaaaaaaaaaaay
      
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      September 25, 2017 2:17am
  - Scorpion
    
    Aotearoa sadly led by a Communist and sycophants.
    
    GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THE
    
    NATIONAL SOCIALIST
    FINANCIAL TERRORISTs
    
    WHO SOLD NZ
    INTO SLAVERY TO COMMUNIST CHINA
    
    ANY ONE WHO VOTED
    NATIONAL HAND IN YOUR PASSPORT
    
    LEAVE NEW ZEALAND
    SELL WHAT YOU HAVE AND GO SET UP THERE
    
    YOU PACK OF LOSERs
    YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
    
    YOU CAN’T DO THAT CAN YOU
    F U C K – W I TS
    
    BECAUSE THEY THE COMMUNISTS
    
    WILL NOT LET YOU
    
    YOU ARE SO DENSE YOU WILL NOT ASK
    
    WHY IS THAT?
    
    THICK AS TWO SHORT BRICKS
    of WOOD the lot of you
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:03am
    - starboard
      
      MAYBE IF YOU..maybe if you spoke normally and DIDNT YELL ALL THE FUCkING TIME…I/we would take you seriously..
      
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      September 24, 2017 10:05am
    - Lance
      
      Nurse!!!
      He’s off his meds again.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:57am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      If you have a point to make let’s hear it.
      
      If you just need an outlet for your baseless venom and foul language then you need to be over at The Standard.
      
      Either way would you please stop shouting at us in capital letters.
      
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      September 24, 2017 2:52pm
  - Chris R
    
    Paulus:I can’t understand why your thoughtful comment has been so severely down-ticked. You paint a bleak but not untruthful picture of how NZ could become. I hope you’re wrong but I value your thoughts.
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:46am
  - Fletch
    
    Corin Dann interviewed Steven Joyce this morning and tried to put words into his mouth, asking if perhaps the Nats should be more left-leaning now. Joyce said that they needed to do things more quickly but he didn’t specifically agree with Corin’s words, yet TVNZ have called the article, Steven Joyce hints new Nats-led government could be more left-leaning.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-there-things-we-need-do-more-quickly-steven-joyce-hints-new-nats-led-government-could-left-leaning
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:51am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      They only hear what they would like to see.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:52pm
    - Piniwi
      
      True Fletch. A good example of the Labour candidates billboard with the spelling error. Most read it as it was intended and not as written. Humans are that way inclined. The Media party never “hear” the important bits as they are programmed to a narrative. Or talking when they should be listening.
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:33pm
  - realityczech
    
    Well if National have the same view of their ally as you do it might turn to shit.
    
    What NZF policies do you actually disagree with ? Is it shutting down the treaty gravy train ? Tax reduction for productive business ? Stopping radical minorities dictating to the rest of us ?
    
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    September 24, 2017 3:30pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t gloat too soon, starry I’s.
  As our one and only Hone put it, it ain’t over until the fat pet-eater…sorry..Paula Bennett..sings.
  Sweat it out!
  
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  September 24, 2017 2:37pm
oldpark

National Party 58 Seats
Labour Party 44 Seats.
The corrupt toxic Mainsteam Media have taken a kicking and a beating.
Their coverage of “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern
was 75% Bill English 24%. What an indictment.,and a disgrace.
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September 24, 2017 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  There was so many chewing on dead rats last night.
  James Shaw won the competition, I saw at least three tails in the corner of his mouth during his speech last night. The MSM crunched away smiling as they said “We told you so, we were correct again”
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:27am
- realityczech
  
  The election result is the product of; Climate change/colonisation/Trump/rape culture !!!!
  
  I demand votes I don’t agree with be invalidated !!!!!!
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:46am
- Scorpion
  
  YOU FORGOT THE 24/7 BAGGING OF
  
  NZF BY THIS BLOG AND
  ALL THE MEDIA
  
  WHO IS THE KING MAKER
  
  WELL THE LAZY CORRUPT USELESS
  PACK OF BASTARDS IN ALL PARTIES
  ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET
  
  OFF THEIR OVER PAID A R S E HOLES
  
  AND WORK FOR THEIR MONEY THIS
  TERM
  
  CHINESE COMMUNIST MONEY
  ONLY GETS YOU SO FAR
  
  TRAITORS
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:06am
- calendar girl
  
  oldpark, your comment on msm coverage is apt. Another related issue is: Why have NZ’s political journalists failed to elicit from ex-PM Helen Clark a single post-Election comment on:
  a) her protegé’s electoral performance as Leader;
  b) possible coalition arrangements; and / or
  c) Labour’s political priorities now, as she sees them?
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:55am
Manolo

Good riddance! The racist Maori Party has expired.
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September 24, 2017 8:04am
- dime
  
  yeah that is just awesome!!!!
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:25am
- Gruffydd
  
  The failure of the Maori party asks interesting questions about the value of the Maori seats.
  If even Maori are not interested in Maori partys why keep special seats for them .
  Peters has suggested that they should go.
  lets hope its one of his bottom lines he actually keeps.
  
  I would like to see the original conclusion of the electoral commission followed.
  Do away with apartheid seats and lower the 5% threshold.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:37am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Winnie only wants a referendum to let the people speak. He could then claim he kept his word. Unfortunately I do not believe the people of NZ would do away with the Maori seats. What percentage of the population has to agree to do away with them? Labour needs them so all those lefties will vote to keep them, the Greens probably want them.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:52am
    - JibberJabber
      
      I may be wrong but I understood that the referendum would only be for those Maori registered on the Maori roll?
      
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      September 24, 2017 8:57am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        No there was some talk about that, but I think Winnie cleared it up and said it would be for all New Zealanders, as it should be, it effects us all.
        
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        September 24, 2017 9:02am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        That would be the equitable way to do it as Maory would be the ones arguably losing representation.
        Whichever way it is structured, the outcome is very predictable.
        Maori will never vote to give up the Maori seats, the general population will never vote to retain them.
        Another wad of cash wasted on a pointless referendum – add it to the list.
        
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        September 24, 2017 4:59pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      fluffy
      As many Maori are on the normal roll as the apartheid one.
      Depending on the question I would expect 60 to 70% support for their removal. Only the committed SJW’s think they are useful.
      Such a referendum will be extremely destructive
      worse than the Aussies are having with their gay marriage vote.
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:02am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        I would hope that you were right. It would be a waste to have a referendum that failed as we possibly would never get the opportunity again. Some serious thought and canvassing would need to be undertaken prior to the actual referendum. Polls and advertising stating the situation bluntly as you have put, the number on the main roll as against the maori roll, the percentage of Maori on the Maori roll voting Party vote National. might be a start that would get people thinking.
        PS the referendum could offer Maori in schools as a carrot. lol
        
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        September 24, 2017 9:48am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Winston just confirmed he wants a binding referendum on ZB.
        The result would depend on if it is with 50% to pass or a higher threshold .
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:46am
    - RF
      
      Several weeks ago I heard Maori party candidates warning that this time they would go with Labour.
      
      That might have had some impact on voters.
      
      Maori party … gone by lunch time…..
      
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      September 24, 2017 3:11pm
  - softail 1450
    
    the three openly racist Maori don’t get back with their heads deep in the trough ,fox ,flavell, and harawira,
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:14am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I’m not convinced that many Kiwis really care that much about Maori seats. Ask them about their main issues and they tend to be: housing, wages, roading, environment.
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:13am
  - Piniwi
    
    You fall into the same narrative Gruffdd as the Media party. Winston First gave them a burst about their dismal election coverage. Trying to make an MMP election like a FPP version.
    He corrected their claim he wanted to abolish Muddie seats. He pointed out what he was suggesting that a referendum be held so the people can decide.
    IMO one way this could be done is have it included with the 2020 election vote. Cost effective and satisfying his bottom line.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:01pm
- Ultima
  
  Maoris voted for change of govt, ironically the new govt may want to get rid of Maori seats.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:54am
  - Scorpion
    
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    If the Maori Seats are Abolished the Maori Party will return it was created
    
    TO STOP F WITS like DON BRASH
    OF THE ACT LIKE A F WITs PARTY
    SH*T KICKING MAORI 24/7
    
    A bit like half the Morons on this blog
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:10am
    - waikatosinger
      
      I think it is a bad idea to write race into our electoral laws and it shouldn’t be necessary with a proportional system where everyone has a voice. And yet I have to admit that without Maori seats the Maori party would have real trouble getting back into parliament because they would struggle to get over the 5% threshhold. That is a problem. The Maori party represents the views of its members and does it well. It is a legitimate voice that deserves to be heard in our politics.
      
      However I would argue that this doesn’t mean we need to keep Maori seats – it means we need to get rid of the 5% threshold. If we didn’t have the 5% threshold then the Maori party would still be in parliament even without Maori seats.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:25am
      - GoVege
        
        What the hell’s “legitimate” about their voice?
        Supporting gangs/ welfarism/ male chauvinism?
        
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        September 24, 2017 4:15pm
    - GoVege
      
      We’re all listening to you Scorpy….you don’t need to yell!!
      
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      September 24, 2017 2:46pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        No Vege, not listening.
        As soo as I see a tirade of capital letter, I down tick and move on. Scorpion is one example, Hugh is another.
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:03pm
- kevn
  
  But… tamati coffey instead.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:34am
- softail 1450
  
  manolo ,yes correct 100%, flavell made the mistake of Talking solely in Maori in parliament, no bastard knew WTF he was on about and now the fool has paid the price,Te reo should be upheld as NZS 1st language but to speak it to the masses because of pig headedness has cost the Maori party dearly …
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:11am
- GoVege
  
  Funny…but I don’t find National so unpalatable now they no longer need to suck up to the 19th century racist party…
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:39pm
Soffet

The old Tusker is back in control…. a weatherman with no economic experience gets in, Maori party gone. And the sun shines in Wellington. Hmmmm.
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September 24, 2017 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  But is it a red dawn?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:49am
- RF
  
  The weatherman is a nasty little prick who freely admits he hates Torys.
  
  He only got in because Flavell took his eye off the ball and got lazy. I agree that Flavell talking Maori whenever he could was a turn off as few understood him.
  
  I hope National marks this little tinkerbells card.
  
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  September 24, 2017 3:18pm
  - GoVege
    
    Most Maori wouldn’t have understood him.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:06pm
- Interested
  
  Don’t worry there is some labour party weather forecast …raining, dreary and miserable.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:26pm
Simon

Perhaps Labo can release all its policy details for next time. It will have 3 years. Or are they going to wait to see what push button issues there are 3 months before the next election and leave it to the experts.

Captain’s Call. 3 more years mong. Lying parasite Marxist turd. Princess is a fraud the people have seen through you.
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September 24, 2017 8:09am
- MickMac
  
  Simon, no they haven’t, 44 seats because of a overwhelming media campaign driven by the media.
  bloody sickening, now we’ve had a taste of what America is going through.
  
  you watch, the progressives will say they have a mandate because 2 different parties got so mant seats.
  we’ll have our own “resistance”
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:20am
  - projectman
    
    Let’s stop this ‘progressives’ rubbish. Labour/Greens/left generally are anything but progressive. The policies Labour came out with were very much regressive. The term from now on for them is ‘the regressives’.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      pm,yes I watched twyford being interviewed this morning he used the word progressive at least 8 times,what a tosser he is .
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:17am
      - RF
        
        Jesus we have the bimbo chanting comrades and now the smarmy Twit chanting progressives… what’s next.
        
        Grant singing… The people’s flag is red with blood…..
        
        Folks we could soon be under communist rule…..
        
        Be very afraid….
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:25pm
- Fletch
  
  Still, question time will be interesting. I doubt Jacinda has much experience in speaking off-the-cuff. It will be all rhetoric and sloganeering.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:53am
waikatogirl

Stephen Joyce says the economy is off the table when it comes to Winnie changing anything.
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September 24, 2017 8:10am
- wiseowl
  
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  Stephen Joyce should keep quiet.
  The economy has gone nowhere, no growth in five years under National.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    My new Mercedes says otherwise
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:02am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Nice, Paulus. And here’s what Liebore doesn’t get: a liberal economy with limited taxes gives you such success, but also allows me to manage with my little home business plus a little rent from an investment property. Oldish car but the freedom to look after myself: all I ask for. I don’t need equity with you and I don’t need to bring you down to my low but adequate income.
      
      All of which Liebore was threatening, calling older people with a few assets to help them through ‘rich’.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:22am
      - GoVege
        
        U da man, CL!
        If only more Kiwis aspired to your attitude.
        
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        September 24, 2017 4:12pm
    - john
      
      So does mine sorry for the fat finger report.
      
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      September 24, 2017 3:57pm
  - projectman
    
    Are you packed and ready to go? Your spaceship is waiting. We wouldn’t want you to miss it.
    
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    September 24, 2017 4:36pm
Debbie

96 all over again.

Really hope Winston makes the right call.
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September 24, 2017 8:10am
- G152
  
  He has competition with the Greens for a spot in government.
  To many demands and he’s out in the cold and on a Bellamy bar stool
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Winston is 21 years older and hasn’t the feistiness he had in 1996. He will want to quietly place his demands on the table and deal with Bill on a gentlemanly basis. Why on earth would he want the aggro of dealing with a self admitted communist and two slightly loopy Greens?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:56am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Winston got a lot of negativity for not joining forces in 1996 with the Lab-Alliance block. The media were crowing then that it was ‘what the nation wanted’.
  
  Whatever the outcome, don’t blame Winston. Blame the system that is so bad that it allows this situation.
  
  This was a self-inflicted injury, we did this to ourselves when the nation voted to retain MMP.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:03am
krazykiwi

This is the first day of National’ 2020 election campaign.

There will be no win if they follow traditional policy & practices.

So yes, celebrate last night’s victory, but innovate for the next one.
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September 24, 2017 8:11am
starboard

Stoneagers have been kicked for touch. Good riddance
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September 24, 2017 8:12am
- MickMac
  
  no they havent. 44 seats is NOT being kicked for touch.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:21am
  - starboard
    
    Stoneagers annihilated. Great news, its made my day.
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97179049/mori-have-gone-back-like-a-beaten-wife-to-the-abuser-defiant-marama-fox-says
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:35am
    - projectman
      
      The article sums things up well. Maori have no one to blame for themelves for ending up in this position. They are too entrenched / thick – call it what you will – to understand that it is the National Party that has treated them with respect and done better for them.
      
      At least, now, we can move on from the ‘who owns the water’ argument. We all do.
      
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      September 24, 2017 8:42am
      - KevOB
        
        Tribalism rampant.
        
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        September 24, 2017 9:29am
      - kevn
        
        Proj… labours lollies got them. Oh, and they get tamati coffey as well.
        
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        September 24, 2017 9:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Projectman at 8.42 said:” …we can move on from the ‘who owns the water’ argument…”
        
        According to the reliable commentator Pattrick Smellie in July, NZ First’s policy is for a royalty on water. (He added that a poll showed 87 per cent of New Zealanders wanted a royalty imposed on exported water).
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        “At least, now, we can move on from the ‘who owns the water’ argument. We all do”
        
        NZF are the party for you then.
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:07pm
    - GoVege
      
      How incredibly ironic!!
      Maori women know more about being battered wives than any other group in this country….and here’s a Maori woman leader comparing Maori voting against the MP to them!
      Maybe Fox and Flavell should ask themselves WTF have they ever done for their battered women and bashed kids?
      WHEN have they ever spoken up and asked Maori to stop abusing their women and kids?
      
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      September 24, 2017 2:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That is demonstrably untrue.
        
        Fox has always spoken up against family violence, violent men and women and institutional violence.
        She has never excused it as Tariana Turia did.
        
        http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/profiles/maori-party-co-leader-marama-fox-interview/
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        I read the whole article through slowly, Maggie, and though Marama mentions many of her relatives killed by violent men, she never once mentions the driving force behind family violence: sexism and the attitude that women are supposed to obey men or face the consequences.
        Yes, she’s definitely better than that throwback Turia, but she is not addressing the attitudes that fuel violence against women and children.
        
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        September 24, 2017 4:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        WTF did I say wrong?
        Go on…spell it out…if you can.
        
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        September 24, 2017 8:09pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        We have conservative that think Sexism and the attitude that women are supposed to obey men or face the consequences is the way society should behave.
        
        In many of ours life times it was legal to rape your wife
        The horrify statistics of abuse are not a new phenomenon. It was excused or tolerated before society shifted and we started exposing it for what it is.
        
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        September 24, 2017 8:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thanks Gruffydd.
        I’m sure you’re right.
        The difference between Caucasian conservatives and Maori /Polynesian ones is the latter go a lot further with their violence plus expect their women to be constantly pregnant…at the state’s expense.
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:16pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Where does 44 seats come from, it says 45 seats to labour on the electoral site that I looked at.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:03am
Cunningham

Lesson for labour, when you sit on your ass and do nothing for almost 3 years and then scramble to come up with policy that inevitably has almost no detail, people will see through it. If I was Ardern I’d hold those lazy bastards in her party to account.
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September 24, 2017 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  She can make another captains call and all their policy will suddenly appear
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:15am
  - Cunningham
    
    She fucked up with that call I agree but the lions share of the blame must go on useless pricks like Robertson and Parker. The water tax for example, 3 fucking years and they still can’t say how much it’d be, how many farms affected, how must it would cost etc. I’m glad the public can see how useless they are.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:39am
    - calendar girl
      
      Cunningham, Ardern has been in Parliament for three terms, so she can’t just point her finger at her Labour Parliamentary colleagues. She herself has been one of those ‘lazy bastards’ that you describe as needing to be held to account.
      
      Making up policy ‘on the hoof’ less than 2 months out from an Election has been an insult to the 35% of the NZ electorate which approximates Labour’s core base.
      
      [As an aside, I couldn’t tell whether her address to the nation last evening was an acceptance speech or a concession effort. But by my rough count she used the word “I” some 27 times; in addition to numerous instances of “me” and “my”. Time for her to concentrate more on team-building skills.]
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:11am
      - Cunningham
        
        I didn’t say she was blameless but her colleagues in charge of their areas should be held accountable for their piss poor performance over the last 3 years. When all you can offer is working groups for almost everything you know the work hasn’t been done. the public aren’t dumb, they can put 2 and 2 together.
        
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        September 24, 2017 11:09am
      - calendar girl
        
        Cunningham, what you say at 11:09 is fair enough, and I agree.
        
        As a matter of interest, the following is a description of Ms Ardern’s own Labour Caucus responsibilities before she took over the leadership from Andrew Little; it would be a serious challenge to recall any of her political achievements in these Opposition roles:
        
        “Shadow Minister of Justice, Children, Small Business and Arts & Culture”.
        
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        September 24, 2017 11:30am
      - Cunningham
        
        Absolutely calendar girl, I’ve always said she has not really achieved anything of note in her time there and she was not elevated on merit but to a large extent she is the sales person and she’s trying to sell a shit and underdeveloped product. In other words, you can’t polish a turd!
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:11pm
      - RF
        
        Not wishing to bad mouth blondes but when I hear the Airhead making utterances about wanting to save the world, feed all the starving children, homes for everyone, clean all the lakes and rivers, provide Fluffy beds for cats & dogs and everything else a tooth fairy will bring you, she reminds me of a dumb blonde. Just a pretty face (sometimes) with no one hone.
        
        Presume she likes cats so Penny should move in with her
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:38pm
    - Scorpion
      
      YES AND WINSTON CAN SEE
      HOW ABSOLUTELY
      F U C KING HOPELESS
      
      NATIONAL HAS BEEN
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-jmEqeTCY
      
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      September 24, 2017 10:16am
      - lifesgood
        
        Just a teensy, weensey bit angry are we?
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:48am
      - Scorpion
        
        HELL NO
        
        I AM SO SO SO SO
        
        HAPPY WITH THE RESULT
        
        YOU HAVE NO POWER
        
        to implement you ONE WORLD GVT
        TURD WORLD AGENDA
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:37pm
  - projectman
    
    Most of the reponsibility for that has to be sheeted home to Andrew Little – he was supposed to be leading the Party afterall (Jacinda too, as deputy). Labour’s research was inadequate, the directions for that also being set by Party leadership.
    
    What now for Labour’s leadership? Do the unions get another shot at imposing their stooge, whoever that might be?
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:46am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Cunningham
  Lesson for National, when you sit on your hands and waste your political capital on virtue-signalling while abandoning the centre-right, you find yourself in the situation where you have by far the biggest single share of the vote – but no viable coalition partners.
  
  Which in an MMP environment is equivalent to being in the canoe without a paddle.
  
  Golfclap National.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:05am
  - Happychappy
    
    DP what was that percentage name you gave Bill English and how useless he was, and now your still not happy so why don’t you fuck off and start your own Party instead of continually whinging about National.
    
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    September 24, 2017 2:23pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “while abandoning the centre-right”
    
    They did not abandon the centre-right. National is, more or less, where a centre-right party should be policy wise.
    
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    September 24, 2017 2:27pm
starboard

Comments MM…mm..?
*tumbleweeds*……….
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September 24, 2017 8:13am
- Gruffydd
  
  Obsessed much.
  When he comes back you should ask him out for a date
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:30am
  - starboard
    
    No thanks. Have been out with his Mum, if she’s anything to go buy … “hic “…
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:37am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Drunk already ~~Port~~ starboard .
      Jesus mate you should be ashamed.
      
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      September 24, 2017 8:44am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Buy? Good on her for attracting a ‘premium’ ;).
      
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      September 24, 2017 8:45am
      - starboard
        
        Good spotting Rach.
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:08am
Happychappy

Corin Dann is a total cot case asking Steven Joyce will he and Bill English apologisefor running a dirty campaign against Labour. The Left are so deluded they think that they only lose because all other parties except Labour play dirty forgetting what Jacinda did to the Greens.
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September 24, 2017 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  As per comment above .
  American election . “They stole it”. At least no one is blaming Putin , that makes a pleasant change.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:31am
  - realityczech
    
    Not yet Kowtow.
    
    Expect opinion pieces in the fake news outlets blaming the “age of Trump” with mention of Putin. Count on it.
    
    They are in shock but the anger and acting out will come…
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:22am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    That’s because it was John Key’s fault. ?
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston Peters is very bitter and things don’t look good for a partnership between National and NZ First. Talking in Northland this morning to the media his demeanor was hostile and not what you would expect from a seasoned Political Leader.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:44am
    - Viking2
      
      Happens when you drink too much.
      
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      September 24, 2017 1:55pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes Corrin Dann gets at National at every chance he gets.
  
  The government should cut all funding to TVNZ
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:39am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or he could go home, ‘Who does he think he is?’
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:46am
  - NK
    
    The government won’t need to do that.
    
    The market is taking care of TVNZ.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:11am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Broadcast ty is zombie technology.
      The internet has every single thing you could want and them some .
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:19am
  - MGT
    
    The Government doesn’t fund TVNZ. TVNZ pays the Government a dividend.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:28am
    - calendar girl
      
      i.e. the Government is its owner.
      
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      September 24, 2017 10:36am
    - Jack5
      
      TVNZ is a net consumer of taxpayer cash, directly and indirectly through funding for its programmes by Government agencies.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And perhaps they could have a wee look at RNZ at the same time.
    
    I really can’t stomach another 3 years of over-hyped fluff pieces.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:04am
    - KevOB
      
      I switched on very briefly about 11.30 today and some oaf asked Chris Bishop “if he was proud of belonging to a party that told lies about the hole.”
      
      Is that is the American disease showing up.?
      What has got into those people who call black white and truth lies and who physically demand to acceded too?
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:19pm
      - Viking2
        
        Joyce described that wrong which is why ut is getting a lot of stick.
        I he had said 3.5 billion shortfall per year then Labs would have had to explain themselves. As it was they got away with deny deny deny.
        
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        September 24, 2017 1:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      Election disappointment for Radio NZ ….
      
      In its projected financial statements for the 2016-17 year, Radio NZ lists State finance as $35.4 million (including $1.9 million for Radio NZ International).
      
      Labour planned to pump an additional $38 million a year into public broadcasting, the vast majority going to Radio NZ, including for a new TV channel operated by Radio NZ.
      
      Jacinda Ardern said that (under Labour) Radio NZ would widen into a a multi-media “public digital media service”, which Labour calls “RNZ Plus”.
      
      Labour broadcasting spokeswoman Clare Curran said it was possible Radio NZ would get a second TV channel over time.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/96745395/radio-nz-television-channel-no-snub-to-tvnz-says-labour
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:23pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Off-switch works.
      The more it is used, the quicker RNZ dies.
      
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      September 24, 2017 3:07pm
- projectman
  
  Dann conveniently forgets Labour’s lies throughout the campaign about the significantly increased health spending by National.
  
  Everytime he opens his mouth my respect for him decreases.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:50am
  - Ross12
    
    Am I right in saying Dann’s wife works for the Greens ? (or at least used to work for them)
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:06am
- fluffykiwi
  
  We all know that children tell the story from their point of view, and Corin Dann epitomises that to a “T”.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:51am
RRM

National > Labour + Greens

It was a good day 🙂
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September 24, 2017 8:16am
- fluffykiwi
  
  And National still have more seats than those 2.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:05am
oldpark

When National Party put into legislation for tax cuts at the last budget. All parties voted for them ,except Labour. Winston Peters party (NZF) probably owe their electoral seats good fortune to the pensioners and Superannuands,who give them their votes.
Labour the nasty Party, if elected were going to veto the Pension increases if elected.
Winston Peters Party would be smashed if his Party joined at the hip, with the commie parties Lie-bour/Green mafia . Just imagine if he put the boot into his pensioner support,and vetoed their legislated pension increases.
Winston Peters will show his pensioner supporters that integrity is more important than money,that is also the wishes of the nation of NZ.
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September 24, 2017 8:16am
- Komata
  
  Oldoark : concerning Winnie’s integrity: One hopes that he will show his respect for the people of NZ, but sadly, his past performances show that when push comes to shove he is only interested in himself; the party be damned!! To be known as the politician who will sell out to the highest bidder and for the ‘baubles iof power’ is perhaps not a good thing for one,’s personal reputation…
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:29am
  - wiseowl
    
    As Bolger said one hopes National will show some respect for Winston and NZ First.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:29am
    - KevOB
      
      Winston’s speech the other day has been completely ignored. He made it plain that under MMP, NZF were not running the show but their Board had to assist a respectful transition. The party with the greatest number of votes would be King, not him. Policy was for the election: post election would be about stable government.
      
      Michell Boag last night suggested that NZF merited 3-4 Ministerial positions. Those are not in her gift but that public thinking shows the feelers out.
      
      I regret the Maori Party decease. By keeping them close it was much easier to contain their otherwise broad desires spectrum. Now tribalism returns to them only voting numbers. Unsuppressible infighting blinkered National’s active support which they never had before as voting fodder.
      
      I am at ease that National and NZF will form a stable working arrangement–media not withstanding.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:54pm
      - RF
        
        Yep. As oldpark has stated… National promised a pension increase next year that the commie chick wants to kick to touch.
        
        If Winnie went with Labour his faithful followers would lynch him as there would be no increase.
        
        I know that promise of a pension increase got National a heap of votes from our local Ryman Rest Home.
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:51pm
JibberJabber

MMP still a fucking joke.
Election been and gone and we wait for an ego to be assuaged before we find out how the country will move forward.
While unlikely, a coalition of losers that the majority have voted against could still get their grasping mitts on the treasury benches.
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September 24, 2017 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. 2.2 million of us have our say and deliver a mandate, but one malt-soaked chap gets to decide the direction of the country
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah but by the same token under MMP a couple of Maoris got to tell Ngati Notional what to do ,and by golly the Nats jumped for them.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:32am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    There should be a rule that a coalition must be formed with the highest polling main party. None of this holding the country to ransom based on the proclivities of one man. Where is the democracy in that?
    
    I would like to see the MMP system totally revised/replaced and it would be good for those who want a change to start agitating for this to happen.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:57am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Agree, at the very least the threshold should be doubled to ensure only serious Parties can cross the line, kick all the fuckwitted “protest” parties like TOP, Internet and Greens etc and their wasted votes to the curb.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:27am
- srylands
  
  Since 1999 MMP has delivered relatively stable governments. However I maintain that we have not seen the worst that MMP can produce. Not by a long shot.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:28am
  - NK
    
    MMP has failed completely. In 1993 we had four parties in parliament, and now 24 years later we have 5 and this election we lost two small parties.
    
    National refuses to work with MMP, which is understandable. The Left wanted it back in the 1990’s and now are hanging onto the scenario that MMP gives them a “majority”.
    
    It’s a terrible system and it needs to go.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:15am
    - Maxx
      
      The Green Party is the party that is stopping MMP working this election.
      
      By saying before the election that they would not work with Nats gives Winston all of the power of rather than forcing all parties to look at ways that they can work together.
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:40am
    - Ross12
      
      Agree NK and srylands but what do you replace it with ? I don’t think FPP is a runner.
      
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      September 24, 2017 10:09am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        FPP isn’t a runner?
        I disagree, and so do my [ahem] friends in the Media Party. They’ve been running a FPP campaign since forever.
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:17pm
holysheet

Finally we can get rid of the racist maori seats. If the natives don’t want them, why should the rest of us pay for them?

This is the one thing I would agree Winston should demand of the nats in upcomming talks.
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September 24, 2017 8:19am
- cmm
  
  In some Maori electorates National out performed Maori Party. Eventually the message must get through: What’s good for Pakeha is also good for Maori.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:29am
- projectman
  
  “If the natives don’t want them, why should the rest of us pay for them?”
  
  Good comment. Maori at large voted with their feet. Who wants the Maori seats? The Labour Party and an obviously small bunch of activists.
  
  BTW, how many Maori have been elected to each party, excluding the Maori seats?
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:57am
- cmm
  
  And while we’re up, the natives don’t want the Maori language either…
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:07am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Natives? You mean people born in NZ?
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:11am
krazykiwi

With Labour holding all of the Maori seats, now would be a great time to heed the Royal Commission’s recommendation, and also let Winston keep his referendum bottom line. No more apartheid seats
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September 24, 2017 8:20am
- MickMac
  
  should’ve been done 8 yrs ago as promised by National.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:42am
cmm

ztev: Dye your hair and run for the hills.

Commie leaders never take responsibility for their failures. They blame other factors especially singling out counter-revolutionary saboteurs.

You have been hanging out a lot on KB. That makes you a prime target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTVV6XHfP4
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September 24, 2017 8:24am
waikatogirl

Twyford is a smarmy twat. He is soooo full of his own bullshit and has drunk the Cindy coolaid. He says Liarbour have a safe pair of economic hands and NZFirst and Liarbour aren’t afraid to use economic levers to tighten up on the free market and take control of the economy.
Frightening stuff.
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September 24, 2017 8:26am
- cmm
  
  I’d almost like them to try this just to inoculate NZ against the commies for a generation.
  
  A Labour/NZF/Green three-way would be completely dysfunctional and probably not be able to do much damage in a single term.
  
  With the rest of the world really getting on the skids (debt, “refugee” invasion etc) it would be better to have a solid government through the 2020s and 2030s than the rest of this decade.
  
  So as much as I want to see the commies out now, I’d rather see them in for one term and out for another 4 terms after that.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:39am
  - holysheet
    
    Like most three-ways, this one would in up riven in jealousy and bickering. We missed a bullet here.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:10am
JibberJabber

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97179049/mori-have-gone-back-like-a-beaten-wife-to-the-abuser-fefiant-marama-fox-says

I made this exact comment last night,

JibberJabber

It is fascinating that Maori appear to be the battered housewife to a Labour party that does nothing but hold them down, yet they keep going back.
The TV3 crew gloating that the Maori Party is being punished for going with National.
Thumb up 11 Thumb down 1REPLY REPORTSEPTEMBER 23, 2017 8:50PM

Probably the only thing I would agree with Marama on.
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September 24, 2017 8:26am
- Digmen1
  
  I kind of liked Marama (but I would not take on her nine kids)
  
  Mr Flavell is/was also a nice guy, except when he pushed Te Reo all the time.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:42am
  - GoVege
    
    Yes, they’re nice but myopic.
    You do know that they think all of Aotearoa belongs to Maori?
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:13pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    yeah – 19 kids, where’s she from . . . horiavale ?
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:54am
- tf78
  
  Maybe Maori got punished by saying they would work with Labour!
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:12am
dime

stoner chinese hater on q&a telling us that its morally acceptable for labour to form a govt with the gweens and nz1st. no issues at all.

they are low life snakes.

runningthe party line – nz has voted for change lmao
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September 24, 2017 8:27am
- srylands
  
  I saw the James Shaw speech last night ‘New Zealand has voted for change “. I assume we will see more of this in the next 2 weeks.
  
  National has very close to the same support it had at the last election. It cannot govern alone simply because Peter Dunne went away and the Maori Party failed. How on earth is that some groundswell for change? It is the exact opposite.
  
  The thing is over the last 21 years we have not yet seen what MMP can throw up. Not by a long shot.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:39am
  - projectman
    
    The problem with/for the Greens is that they are bipolar. Many will not vote for the Greens because they cannot abide one or other strand of their ‘creed’.
    
    If they want to be SJWs, integrate with Labour. If they truly want to be environmentalists align with whomever will give them some of their policies – right now that is not Labour – but I’m OK with them taking their stance and continuing to achieve very little. They’re the ones who have to deal with it.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:17am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    MMP makes a lot of people want to throw up – ha.
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:52am
oldpark

Go figure this one . David Shearer when he was Liebour Leader before he was knifed had Lie-bour at 35% and got dumped for “sorry for being a man “Cunliffe.Commie Chic Comrade Ardern got 35.7 % of the vote and gets called the saviour of her Nasty Labour Party. Her nation dividing tactic of ranting and raving about ‘My Generation’, was an arrogant out of control attitude. Anyone over her age of 37 began to feel they were being ignored. The results of the number of seats National received,proves that NZ is a country for all ages,even if the majority of the not “My Generation”felt isolated,by Arderns” gung ho comments.Two ticks Blue came through.
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September 24, 2017 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  But she’s a wimmin ordained by the media to be our saviour , to clean the rivers , to feed the hungry , to clothe the naked , to heal the sick , to bring peace to our divided land……..
  ……..sound familiar?
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:36am
  - KevOB
    
    Jacinda is not ordained by anyone except her own favoured ego which is bursting at the seams.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:01pm
- holysheet
  
  Where was the youff, where was the youff in all this? Wait for the sjw’s to continue the cry, we were robbed, we were robbed.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I didn’t see any youth at all when we voted at Kaiti school yesterday morning.
    Just a constant stream of family folks: Maori, Islander, and old whities.
    
    Perhaps the youth were out at sport fixtures.. or still in bed.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:15am
Bovver

How you like them apples
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September 24, 2017 8:30am
cmm

Did she cry?
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September 24, 2017 8:32am
krazykiwi

One particularly sweet victory last night was seeing Bishop give the bird to the duck!
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September 24, 2017 8:34am
- CHFR1
  
  Yes even my Labour loving friends in the electorate voted for him. It just shows what keeping your head down and concentrating on your electorate can do. From what I have heard he would attend the opening of an envelope and took on the role of defacto electorate MP, well done that man.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:06am
  - holysheet
    
    What? you have friends who support liabore? About time you found some more reliable friends.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:17am
MCos

I heard someone on the radio saying Winston will make a great Minister of Racing.
I somehow doubt he’ll be fobbed off quite that easily.
The interesting thing is that Labour, who were never likely to win considering the shambles they were in at the beginning of last month, have managed to pick off the Maori Party & Peter Dunne.
That leaves someone with a real timebomb in NZF, who, themselves, are looking at oblivion in 2020.

Considering what happened to Turei, Peters is lucky to even be there now.
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September 24, 2017 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  Peters is NZF. He goes , it goes.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:37am
  - KevOB
    
    Don’t ignore Shane Jones. I will not be surprised to see him as Minister of Maori Affairs.
    
    If Winston retires I expect Shane to take over.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:05pm
- starboard
  
  Give him the dep PM’s job and a crate of whiskey, he’ll be like a pig in the shit.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:41am
  - cmm
    
    Didn’t he already do deputy PM?
    
    Naah, he’ll want more and more and more. It will be like one of those Treaty Claim cheques: you just cash it as often as you like.
    
    I’d be surprised if he didn’t walk the floor half way through the term.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:46am
    - KevOB
      
      This crass Winston at the trough is media nonsense. Over the years he has shown a backbone of principal. He may have been a convenient one to blame because he is individualistic and sticks to what he believes. Winston doesn’t walk to the same drumbeat as the crowd but he may run when he senses need. Bolger recognises that and Muldoon did too. Being different and being prepared to stay that way isn’t easy.
      
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      September 24, 2017 1:12pm
      - cmm
        
        As I have said before most NZF voters want Winnie in opposition for his shit-stirring value.
        
        They don’t actually want him in any position of authority.
        
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        September 24, 2017 1:51pm
  - kevn
    
    SB… chuck in a knighthood?
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:40am
    - calendar girl
      
      Agreed, that costs next to nothing alongside the obvious gongs of Deputy PM and Minister of Foreign Affairs. All combining to provide a necessary stroking of Mr Peters’ ego.
      
      The Knighthood can be justified by his Parliamentary ‘seniority’ at 72 years of age. Apart from there being only one other Member over 70, his total length of service as an MP would exceed that of most current Members.
      
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      September 24, 2017 3:34pm
- s.russell
  
  Whichever way he jumps, he is going to sacrifice a big chunk of his support. And then he will be blamed by the remainder for everything his chosen Government does that they do not like (which will be almost everything).
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:47am
  - Maxx
    
    That support that he lost already jumped ship for Princess Fairydust when she took over.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Make him Minister for Alcohol Research.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:23am
- Paulus
  
  Winston will not go with either Labour/Greens or National.
  He will sit on the cross benches and pick and choose what he wants under English as PM.
  He will make no formal agreements with anybody.
  Eventually Englsh will be forced into another General Election as the Parliament is stuck in no- man’s land unable to pass any policy.
  Then, along with the Media Party, Taxinderella will win.
  Under 12 months.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:50am
  - VicParking
    
    Sorry Rubbish. If this was the case NZ would be dead and his 7% would go to National who would govern alone.
    
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    September 24, 2017 5:08pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  WP has already been M for Racing.
  Did rather well out of it by all accounts.
  
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  September 24, 2017 5:11pm
s.russell

Most delightful result of the night:
Northland:
Matt King 13,686
Winston Peters 12,394
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September 24, 2017 8:43am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Ultra-short term win that could strengthen Winston’s resolve in going with Labour. You are thinking FPP in an MMP world – just like the whole of the National party.
  
  Winston was ALWAYS going to be the person you needed to form a government after Election 2017. ALWAYS! Why would you do your best to piss of the person you need most to retain control of the Treasury benches?
  
  Stupid, stupid, stupid and not very strategic by National.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:10am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Rot, Nats. can nearly govern alone, that surely was the goal
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:38pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      I nearly won Lotto. But I didn’t. Hillary nearly won the presidency, but didn’t. The ABs nearly won the Lions series.
      
      Nearly winning, isn’t winning. Your comment was nearly sensible!
      
      When the specials are in and two seats are lost to the loons on the left, your comment won’t even be nearly accurate.
      
      Denial isn’t going to save the country from the loons on the left. A big swallow of pride and a better strategy is needed otherwise there won’t be any “nearly” about it next election when the loons on the left are in government.
      
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      September 25, 2017 4:45pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    lol – plenty of downticks?
    
    Because it’s right?
    
    Still plenty of ostriches in the party faithful.
    
    Remember, those that don’t learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:38pm
- Ross12
  
  Probably will get better with specials.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:13am
krazykiwi

Another readon to smile today: There will be some seriously pissed off unions.
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September 24, 2017 8:43am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Comrades, so the tax working group will never be formed or its name is Winston Peters?
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September 24, 2017 8:44am
- sooty
  
  Not if Labour are paying!
  
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  September 24, 2017 3:53pm
Digmen1

Could someone explain to me what side of the political spectrum NZF is
Right or Left?
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September 24, 2017 8:46am
- srylands
  
  It is not the right question.
  
  It is a populist party. It’s voters will be diverse. People disenchanted with National’s accommodation of Iwi influence in policy. Those who have been left behind by economic change. People who don’t like immigration. Old people who like free public transport.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:55am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You left out little old ‘ladies in lavender’ who get a bit moist at the sight of a smart suit.
    
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    September 24, 2017 3:24pm
- Maxx
  
  Winstons side.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:55am
- MCos
  
  Which side is National?
  Depends who defines where the halfway line is. If you listen to some of those American politicians they’d be rabid socialist!!
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:56am
  - Gruffydd
    
    If you examine the reality in the USA not the rhetoric we are to the right economically.
    The yanks idea of free markets is crony capitalism
    hence closer to Marxism than we are.
    Republican states suck more tax from the federal government than the democrat ones. The USA props up its agriculture with government funded insurance.
    The individual states pick winner by subsidizing industry .
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:54am
- Northland Wahine
  
  The drunken dwarf will go with whoever gives him the most overseas trips and let’s him play prime minister when the cats away.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:34am
  - GoVege
    
    What’s your problem with Winston, Wahine?
    Is it coz he calls the Maori Party what it is…a racist party?
    
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    September 24, 2017 4:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    Northland Wahine, You just hate strong Maori who don’t grovel to YT for hand outs and play the victim card. Winston comes from the most Maori area of NZ, is Maori, as is his deputy.
    
    Now go back to chopping down flag poles to show how progressive you are 😉
    
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    September 24, 2017 4:51pm
- KevOB
  
  About the same as National.
  I cannot see Winston for one minute tolerating those much off centre.
  
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  September 24, 2017 1:19pm
- VicParking
  
  Whatever side the BMW is on.
  
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  September 24, 2017 5:10pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

What a relief for the bedwetters, of course for us of true faith Bill’s glorious triumph was never in doubt! You see DPF there really was no need for quite so many of your overly partisan blog posts! To your credit though I suspect you feel a tad guilty over it, if that idiotic and hypocritical post “NZ lucky with the choices we have” is anything to go by!
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September 24, 2017 8:51am
kowtow

Talking of media hype , did you feel it ? Did you ?

The youff quake that wasn’t , bwahahahahaha.
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September 24, 2017 8:54am
s.russell

Remarkably, National has emerged from the election with a net gain in electorate seats. They have lost Chch Central, but won Northland and Hutt South.
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September 24, 2017 8:57am
- marcw
  
  Nicky Wagner was always a poor fit in Christchurch Central, not that she hasn’t done a reasonable job for the last 3 years. She was gifted the seat by Labour having an extremely poor candidate in the 2014 election. His name escapes me – a nobody then and today IMO.
  
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  September 24, 2017 12:49pm
fluffykiwi

A water tax will not be off the table even with National.
A simple way to start that ball rolling is to say that the people of New Zealand own the water in NZ, no matter where it lies..
Start with that premise, have a basic charge and then become a bit like ACC, depending on the type of business and the damage you are supposed to cause increase the cost. If you are “selling ” the water ie export water cover that as well.
So in fact large cities might cause more damage to their rivers than say a small landlocked town with no river or waterway.
Yes, unfortunately farmers will cop it. But they have the option of proving what they are already doing to mitigate damage their farming might cause. Also some farmers are already paying. We pay for our water in the Timaru area, we buy shares pay for the infrastructure and then a cost of how much we use.
I imagine that would be the fairest way if we are supposedly talking about using the money to create a “cleaner greener” New Zealand. We, all of us pollute in some form or other.
If that we suggested I am sure all those Aucklanders might decide that maybe a water charge is not really worth it. But imagine if National suggested it, what a “Green” policy that would appear to be.
I live in Auckland and am involved in a farm in the Sth Island.
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September 24, 2017 9:00am
- Gruffydd
  
  the people of New Zealand own the water in NZ, no matter where it lies..
  
  To late mate .
  If its taxed it means Maori clip the ticket as they already have ownership under te treaty.
  The result will be a feast for the Maori mafia like the forestry was .
  Years of negotiating about how they distribute the proceeds with the money being fritted away in the process.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:10am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Gruffydd. Not forgetting their grab of fishing after which old Two a penny O’Regan had a sook.
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:13pm
- wiseowl
  
  In other words fluffy you are a Queen St farmer.
  You obviously have no clue about water.
  Let it fall out of the sky , be utilized by those of us on the land and it will return to the sky.
  No ownership.
  No charges.
  There is already ample money going towards the environment through groups and councils and government.
  Let farmers get on with farming and get government out of our lives.
  ‘They have an option to prove’ what a bloody insult.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:15am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Actually no, I am a born and bred farm who just happens to live within the Auckland boundaries. I am just offering a suggestion that would not find favour with city dwellers who are the majority of NZ, they would not like it if they were charged and the idea would die a natural death and go back into the back of labour’s cupboard.
    Our South Island far pays for all water it uses for irrigation already.
    We also fence and plant our farm streams, practice conservation and look all the time at methods to improve our practices for the good not only of the farm but the environment. There are new developments all the time enhancing how the water is applied, how much is applied, they cost, but lessen the amount of water used.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:24am
- marcw
  
  Use of water is controlled by Regional Councils. Let them issue consents with appropriate fees and monitoring. If they decide to charge consent fees to metropolitan users, then they will face the music at the elections.
  
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  September 24, 2017 12:53pm
- KevOB
  
  Nestle and others are lining up to buy all our water for resale back to us. This is a hot commodity globally.
  
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  September 24, 2017 1:22pm
dime

Bill has a big job ahead of him now.

He needs to build his profile over the next three years.

We hardly saw the guy until the campaign.
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September 24, 2017 9:10am
- Ross12
  
  Only because the MSM did not give him airtime. That will probably continue.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:15am
waikatogirl

Winnie has a choice. He can go with a strongly experienced team with a proven economy resulting in a financially better life for most, and building a great society for NZ’ers. Peters can be front and centre, possibly on the world stage with Nationals support. It will be up to him if he can respect the office and last the full term. Or he can choose to go with the clusterfu*k of the row boat coalition with all those delusional lefties.

Winnie would have to be NUTS to go with Liarbour and the greens. That lefty road is going to run out faster than a receding tide.

Make the right decision Winne. Stable or a clusterfu*k of delusional personalities.
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September 24, 2017 9:11am
- softail 1450
  
  the problem there is Winnie’s slogan “had enough”.
  how’s that going to work out for him?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:27am
dime

ACT! – just incase anyone is wondering why they lost my vote..

1) calling people xenophobes. thats up there with “tories” Neolibs” etc etc

2) the extra 20k for teachers. or what i like to call – the super city 2! sure, what he wants to happen is a good idea! a great idea. but we all know it would get twisted and end up that all teachers just get 20 stacks a year more and still hate national/act. it wouldnt have hurt the unions. a giant fuck up.

maybe next time seymour can aim their campaign towards people who may actually vote for them.
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September 24, 2017 9:13am
- NK
  
  Who are those people, dime?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:49am
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    me
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:59pm
oldpark

Perception is every thing. To think that the Lie-bour/Green Party run TVNZ, had the worse election coverage,was an under statement. With all the money and resources that lot have they failed miserably. Hosking along with granny Barry looked and sounded he wished he was maybe at home doing some vacuuming.
To make it even worse towards the end of the show.Lie-bours bovver boys Williams and McCarten virtually took over the broadcast. The two has beens and no hopers,with their born to rule Lie-bour party propaganda against the result.
They were so toxic and negitave,maybe they had been sampling some of the banned drugs ,which are circulating around NZ.
On TV3s Channel now known as Newshub,with Duncan Garner aboard. He and his support crew made the night. Their coverage was superb and superior to the tired old clapped out TVNZ.
They were so positive overall compared with the somebody died attitude which was coming ot of TVNZ.
TVNZ should take a look at their type of election coverage,it was pathetic and looked like it was on life support. Newshub who have a shoestring budget,performed like they were the number 1 Television Channel,in NZ. Maybe they TVNZ have become tainted and toxic by the amount of Lie-bour/Green sycophants that infest their building and Newsroom.Last count circa 600 employed by TVNZ,with 263 in the newsroom.What is going on .
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September 24, 2017 9:15am
tom hunter

Well, amidst the satisfaction of dodging a bullet, I’ll just throw this stinkbomb out there…

We only dodged it for three more years.!

Oh – and that assumes Winnie won’t decide to eat the bullet this time.
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September 24, 2017 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, as I sad above, this is the start of National’s 2020 re-election campaign. I can just see someone grabbing a tag-line about ‘ vision’ .. as it fits the year!
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:37am
- tom hunter
  
  You’re a lot more optimistic than me. National has never been about “vision” in its entire history – although I suppose “aspirational” came close.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:40am
  - Gruffydd
    
    National success is the right problem.
    One big party for all right of center means no one is happy
    The best thing that could happen is the party fractures into classic Liberal and social conservative party’s .
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:44am
    - tom hunter
      
      We could call them Liberal and United? 🙂
      
      Jokes aside, that decision was taken a long time ago and it was to combine. The tensions are certainly there but have been since the beginning in the 1930’s.
      
      From a purely partisan POV it’s pretty hard to argue with the results, with National in power for long stretches of time.
      
      By contrast look at Labour: splits into the Alliance, ACT, the Greens and god knows what else in the future (TOP 2.0 ?) – and the result has been decades without power.
      
      I can’t see National changing.
      
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      September 24, 2017 9:52am
      - Gruffydd
        
        It may take a huge loss for such a change to happen.
        There was talk about such a fracture on some right wing blogs when it looked like a rout.
        
        Personally I support the lowering of the threshold as it would allow more choice and the development of alternatives to the existing party’s .
        The Conservatives were never really in contention as they were more left leaning economically than right.
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:01am
      - Gruffydd
        
        The National Party was formed in May 1936, but its roots go considerably further back. The party came about as the result of a merger between the United Party (known as the Liberal Party until 1927, except for a short period between 1925 and 1927 when it used the name “National Party”) and the Reform Party.[7] The United Party gained its main support from the cities, and drew upon businesses for money and upon middle class electors for votes,[18] while the Reform Party had a rural base and received substantial support from farmers,[19] who then formed a substantial proportion of the population.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_National_Party
        
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        September 24, 2017 10:07am
Albert_Ross

Reach out to the Greens, Bill. Either they will say no, in which case you can make them spend the next three years explaining why they turned down an opportunity to actually do something for the environment, or they will say yes, and then you won’t need Winston. Win win, no lose
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September 24, 2017 9:22am
- Gruffydd
  
  Shaw was emphatic last night that they would not go with national.
  Pity really as a true environmental party would be a good addition to any government .
  Instead the SWJ’s in the Greens have to much power to actually do any good for clean green NZ .
  #21 years in opposition.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:29am
  - KevOB
    
    Let them stay there.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:28pm
- tom hunter
  
  That was discussed after midnight on the RNZ show and the consensus of the panel was that it would split the Greens just as the Alliance split. The spend-more-tax-more SJW’s would have a fit.
  
  Former Green leader Hughes(?) also pointed out that any such decision would have to go back to all their nation-wide members and gain 75% approval. Unlike other partys it’s not down to the leaders or even elected members.
  
  Not going to happen.
  
  Also – much as I can’t stand the likes of Campbell & co. – kudos to RNZ for their attempt at a multi-media platform last night. Not enough TV production experts involved and it showed with some amateurish cutovers and 2008 cellphone video quality. But it’s the way of the future. It’s also a good excuse to just fold RNZ and TVNZ together, along with a lot of staff cuts as the excuse.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:29am
  - Paulus
    
    I expect Meteria Turei to form the New Green Party as she is not expected to be allowed back into the Green Party as she thought.
    She said again this morning that she is proud of what she did.
    And has sympathy from both Shaw and Taxinderella as both have passed no adverse comment to her theft from taxpayers.
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:57am
- peterwn
  
  James Shaw did not seem to be around yesterday which has me starting to wonder. No doubt Bill is quite happy to have discussions with James as Greens leader (if James was willing) even if it is unlikely to result in anything. This would have an additional benefit – it would put pressure on Winston, both timewise and with his negotiating position – if he thought that Bill could be in discussions with James, he would realise that he could miss the bus if he was not careful. The Greens would benefit too since Winston would need to tone down any demands concerning Labour’s relationship with the Greens. However the Greens are so pathologically opposed to National the Greens may not see it this way.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:34am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    For those of us who actually do care about the environment, this is truly sad. And such a missed opportunity for the Greens.
    
    That is because National’s activity and results on the environmental front are in fact nowhere near as terrible as the Greens have been claiming. So with only a little additional effort in Government, they could start to acknowledge that environmental indicators are starting to move in a better direction – and claim all the credit for it.
    
    But apparently they’d rather sit there and watch Winston dictating terms.
    
    Surely at least some genuine environmentalists must this morning be asking themselves what it is they really want?
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Surely at least some genuine environmentalists must this morning be asking themselves what it is they really want
      
      I find it extraordinary that they weren’t asking themselves this question years ago.
      Too many of them are polite, encouraging and naive.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:22pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Yep, make the Greens the new Maori Party, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
  One term with the Nats would show them to be in over their heads and sink them for good.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:51am
cmm

Another election has come and gone and Kim Dotcom is still here….
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September 24, 2017 9:31am
Ultima

Well, all the media hype of Jacindamania did not take any votes off National. That’s a big failure for Labour where in the end managed to get votes off the Greens and NZF. Thats not a mood for change of govt from voters.
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September 24, 2017 9:32am
- MCos
  
  Not quite right.
  National may have about the same vote (for now), but they have lost the support of the Maori Party & United Future.
  They now have to rely instead on probably the most unreliable MPs in recent times. Peters & Jones.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:43am
  - Nermal
    
    NZF was the choice of a hell of a lot more voters than Act/United/Maori combined. That’s called democracy whether you like it or not.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:47pm
Doubledimp

Watched the replay interview with Jacinda, she acknowledged Bill English as an admirable “running mate”. (23:03 on the program) That term should describe a deputy on your side, not the leader of the opponent. I thought she was supposed to be politically astute?
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September 24, 2017 9:39am
realityczech

Pretty happy with the election result. There is a lot I don’t like about National, the lies and misrepresentations, the devastation of government core services (hidden by lies and PR bullshit) being the main ones. That said, they have proven themselves to be stable and competent. They have done a pretty good job under challenging circumstances.

Labour are still a nasty hateful party who regard most people with contempt. Until that changes they will remain where they are. The hatred of men, white people and those with money, or a house, are not policies to win elections with.
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September 24, 2017 9:42am
- MCos
  
  Are there any politicians YOU don’t like?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:46am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Its a troll .
    It says shite to get a reaction.
    Even if it said the opposite a day before.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:50am
    - starboard
      
      “Its a troll”
      
      Pot, meet kettle.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:04am
  - realityczech
    
    I have problems with all of them and have things I like about all of them. This was a tough election to know who to vote for. I swung all over the place before deciding.
    
    Low information types are unable to comprehend that thought process so they resort to dogma and emotive thinking. Still even drug abusers get to vote.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:00am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Yip the pot thing every time a fuckwit gets pawned .
      I am quite happy that those I respect don’t view my contribution as the ranting of a drug addled stoner.
      
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      September 24, 2017 10:04am
      - realityczech
        
        I would legalise it Griff.
        
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        September 24, 2017 11:20am
      - Gruffydd
        
        That’s why I called you a troll Kea.
        You go after an emotive reaction to stroke your ego rather than having a position and arguing for it in a consistent manner .
        You know that on most political questions we actually agree.
        
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        September 24, 2017 11:31am
artemisia

Nat/NZF will be able to get RMA reforms through which will help housing.

I’d expect there to be some accommodation for NZF on immigration as Nat is already going down the higher skills path and tightening up on flaky student visas.

Maybe a non binding referendum on the Maori seats.

Could put the raise in super age to 67 on hold. It is well into the future and Nat has not been keen anyway so will have a good excuse to cancel or postpone.
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September 24, 2017 9:44am
- MCos
  
  National will never have a referendum on the Maori seats. Far too divisive for a party that survives by not rocking the boat.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:50am
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    Was their position prior to Keys elevation.
    
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    September 24, 2017 5:17pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Have been reading above in vain for any bright spark to note some of Jacinda’s first post-election comments. She mentioned Pike River I got the impression that was a message to Winston about his pledges and those families. I also noted that Shaw saw the ‘opposition’ as having won the election. Some of the more astute commentators spoke about Winston seeing the opportunity to cement his legacy. Dunne said that the Nats should take a firm hand with NZF in the negotiations, so how much does Bill shift? Will it be a National led Government, or will it be a Labour led Government, that is not clear. Will NZ first support National on supply and vote issue by issue on other matters. None of us know. Jones spoke about Winston’s Ngapuhi background, we know his place at Ratana. We know NZF has Maori leadership and Labour now has the Maori mandate and a Maori deputy leader. Hold your money and the celebrations as we know Labour and NZF have similar immigration policy, ie is reducing numbers. For those celebrating the demise of Maori seats note Bill English has never spoken out against them nor did John Key. Not a person in NZ at this point knows what the next Government will look like. As for water the Nats have a long term consultation formed with Tuwharetoa. So the dynamics of party talks has direction already.
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September 24, 2017 9:47am
- fluffykiwi
  
  National could offer the opportunity to Winston to lead to charge into Pike River, the photo op. Shut out the other political parties who wish to go in.
  Winnie alone at the head of the people with cheering crowds, would that do it do you think?
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:55am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    I don’t know. Whatever is settled upon has to be economically measured and to the benefit of the electorate as far as possible.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:05am
  - marcw
    
    I agree, give him an office, a secretary and a (small) budget and tell him to come up with a plan within 6 months. A plan that is legal, and one where he is responsible for anyone getting killed or injured in the attempt and can be the one prosecuted by W&S. And if he can’t manage that then he can FO.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:07pm
  - VicParking
    
    I will be the first to go up to the portal and drop down a match
    
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    September 24, 2017 5:16pm
lastmanstanding

Dear Bill

Hearty congratulations. However you should remind Winston that for years he has said he is not looking for the baubles of office and so you arent going to disappoint him. Instead he can join the Nats on your terms. If he wont agree tell him to go join the Coalition from Hell. It will last a year if that. It will them implode allowing your Party to govern alone for at least a decade.

Kind regards
Lastmanstanding
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September 24, 2017 9:50am
Nookin

I have no problem with a Maori party per se. It is a damn sight better than seats reserved exclusively for Maori. I am sorry to see them go. Te Ururoa Flavell must be one of the most gracious and honest men who have served in parliament whatever you think of his politics.
My own belief is that it was the antagonistic and at times embittered outbursts of Marama Fox that led to their downfall. National did more for Maori, in terms of treaty settlements and having a place in government that Labour ever has or will do.
I wonder how much the reversion to labour was influenced by the expectation that they will own a share of the water and consequential income.
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September 24, 2017 9:52am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Apart from Maori seats I agree Nookin, they are deep running water – excuse the pun. Great speech from Te Ururoa Flavell, a good example for any MP to remember where their duty lies – to the people.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:10am
- Ross12
  
  Agree Nookin
  Lack of support for the Maori Party is a bit like lack of support by Maori for the Maori language. I don’t want to see the language die out but it is up to Maori themselves, mainly, to ensure that doesn’t happen.
  Similarly with the Maori Party.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:22am
- brett68
  
  Like Islanders, the majority of Maori only vote for whoever provides the biggest handouts, idiots, here was the opportunity of a life time and they blew it.
  
  National needs to realise that and not waste their time on the Maori vote.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And where is comment from the Maori King
  
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  September 24, 2017 1:00pm
  - starboard
    
    maori king..*snigger* *chortle*.
    
    Wheres Tuku in all of this. Bawhahaha. Greedy losers.
    
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    September 24, 2017 3:46pm
    - Viking2
      
      Yep, no respect form turkeys.
      
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      September 24, 2017 5:22pm
    - GoVege
      
      Remember he told his subjects to vote for the Maori Party?
      I wonder what the outcome says about this institution?
      
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      September 24, 2017 8:49pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  imagine a party called ‘non-maori’
  hmmm . . . .
  
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  September 25, 2017 1:36am
realityczech

Kiwiblog would be much more entertaining today if the resident lefties were not removed in a pre-election pogrom.

Tolerance and diversity of opinion make strong blogs and parties. Just look at how things are going at The Standard and Labour for a real time example.

I invite our host to release all political prisoners from the comment gulag as a show of good faith following National’s historic win 🙂
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September 24, 2017 9:54am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I am quite happy not to have the fucktards stinking up the place trying to explain how an election loss is a mandate to run the country, thanks.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:47am
  - realityczech
    
    You want to stay in your bubble world/echo chamber hearing comforting words. How cute. Brainless, but cute.
    
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    September 24, 2017 11:22am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      DPF you missed one!
      Piss off czech we can do without the relentless negativity for a day or 2. Nothings stopping you going and hanging out with the idiots on The Standard if you miss them so much.
      
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      September 24, 2017 11:51am
      - realityczech
        
        Negativity ???
        
        I am delighted. Exactly what I voted for National/NZF.
        
        Join me in celebrating Winston being the king maker. 🙂
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:02pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Great news for you. I think NZF will go with National so I am not bothered either way but reading the bullshit comments on Stuff is enough for me today. All you want to do is gloat at them so be our guest and fuck off and troll elsewhere.
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:26pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        realityczech/kea is a troll. Best to ignore him. There was no pre-election pogrom against leftists posting here. He just wants attention.
        
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        September 24, 2017 12:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        So you agree with me then AgentBallSack. Not sure why you are sooooo very angry.
        
        Anyway, the resident got bothering freak has issued an hadith banning you from exchanging messages LOL 🙂
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:24pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “got bothering freak”
        
        I like Game Of Thrones, but got bothering freak is putting it too strongly. I haven’t even read the books.
        
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        September 24, 2017 3:37pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well you’re here.
      
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      September 24, 2017 1:01pm
- GoVege
  
  Well said, RC, our champion of free speech!
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:56pm
waikatogirl

Winnie was scheduled to speak on Q+A this morning but has gone to ground, or more likely gone fishing. He did say last night that he didn’t want anyone asking him what he intends before 12 October. What better way to avoid questions than repeat what he did last time he was in the box seat and go fishing for 5 days. ?
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September 24, 2017 9:56am
- Piniwi
  
  Not quite so waikatogirl. See his performance on the interview with NewShub. He gave them a rev up for being a bunch of deadheads.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:37pm
Dave Mann

I’m sick to death of this stupid MMP system. It’s no way to run a country. The ‘minor parties’ and fringe/nutter elements will always end up calling the shots and this is simply idiotic.

Its almost impossible for ANY party to achieve a majority in a system like this and whoever gets the most votes is almost certainly going to need to go into a coalition with a minor party. So, in other words, regardless of what the bulk of New Zealanders vote for, we will always end up doing what the MINORITY dictate! Last time it was the Maoris and a couple of one-man imitation parties; this time who knows what will eventuate?

This is madness.
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September 24, 2017 10:09am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  It might be madness, then again it might be an interesting challenge for the people’s representatives. I go for the later.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:12am
- waikatogirl
  
  Voted FPP both times. I have a clear conscience, but still have to live with this tedium of this circus every 3 years. ?
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I wonder if the Mongrel Mob are disappointed?
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:03pm
- GoVege
  
  Nah…it’s democracy.
  Don’t you love it?
  Even when your team loses…
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:51pm
PJ39

Winston is a drunken incoherent moron. The country is in trouble.
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September 24, 2017 10:10am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes – but MMP keeps on delivering this result. Winston is not to blame, he just a result of a truly idiotic electoral system.
  
  NZ did this to ourselves, we had a chance to change to a better voting system, and we voted to keep the system that keeps on giving the choice of government to Winston.
  
  Three strikes now for MMP!
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:16am
  - PJ39
    
    Just saw him interviewed this morning. Incoherent nutter.
    
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    September 24, 2017 10:41am
DifferentPerspective

Innovation in the MMP environment

Much was said about the cordial relationship between Bill and Jacinda last night on the idiot box.

How about a National-Labour coalition. I mean it’s not like there’s much policy difference between Labour and ~~Labour Lite~~ National! Jacinda could be Minister for Housing, Deputy PM and she could do all the school openings (she seems to feel most at home talking about politics with 9 year olds and teachers after all).

It’s a match made in heaven! And it would shut out Winston big time!
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September 24, 2017 10:13am
- Ross12
  
  There is a heap of difference in the key areas around the economy and business.
  There maybe many similarities in the social areas but not in the most important income generating areas.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:25am
- Digmen1
  
  There are a few fairies out there who agree with you.
  But that is the silliest suggestion I have ever heard.
  
  National believes in personal responsibility and aspirations and goals and low tax.
  Labour believes in one size fits all socialism and tax the rich so that the poor don’t have to work hard.
  
  How are they similar?
  
  Every party wants more houses, more jobs, more hospitals, better schools.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:27am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Yes, it’s a silly suggestion that will never happen. And National is not Labour-Lite. They have moved closer to the center than they were in the 90’s, but National has always been a moderately center right pragmatic party. That does not mean there are no serious differences between them and Labour in terms of governing philosophy.
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:28pm
  - GoVege
    
    Was talking to a good friend today who also votes Labour/Greens.
    He reckons National won more votes partly because a lot of people are sick of hearing about “poverty”.
    We do have relative poverty here, but most of it is caused by people who don’t use contraception and have far too many kids.
    Even well-off people experience a bit of poverty if they have 6 or more kids.
    Virtually all our poor are Maori or Pacifica and having too many kids is the source of their poverty.
    This is a difficult problem to fix because their chauvinistic men force the women to bear too many kids, but it needs to be addressed honestly.
    
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    September 24, 2017 9:04pm
fluffykiwi

Winnie is possibly the only person really enjoying himself this morning. Wily old fox. Winnie knows what Winnie knows and the rest of NZ can but guess, including his fellow NZ First members.
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September 24, 2017 10:13am
Digmen1

The reason I support Proportional Representation is that is gives a new party a chance to start up and get established.
Under FPP its virtually impossoble for a new party to take a general seat (Social Credit got 1 or 2)

Maybe we should have gone to Specsavers (STV)
Or maybe the rules need changing.
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September 24, 2017 10:25am
- Dave Mann
  
  I think STV is the better way to give minorities a voice. That way they would have a say without actually ending up running the show.
  
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  September 24, 2017 10:31am
RF

I hope that Winnie after looking at his options decides
that the commie chick party is not in New Zealand’s best interests for a coalition.

I can see him being Minister of Immigration, Foreign Affairs and maybe Deputy….

Three more weeks……
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September 24, 2017 10:31am
greybeard

Winston is wise to wait until the last minute before showing his hand.
There are hundreds of thousands of special votes yet to be counted, and it is still possible for the Greens to drop under 5% of the total final vote, in which case National would be able to go alone. That current 10.2% gap between National and Labour will be critical when special votes are counted.
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September 24, 2017 10:55am
- Dave Mann
  
  My goodness… if the Green Party were to be obliterated like the Racist party has been, wouldn’t THAT be a fantastic result! Don’t get my hopes up… OMG….
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:21am
starboard

I see Tamati Coffee is playing the part…large bone carving hanging around his neck now. Just waiting for him to break into that stoneage mumbo jumbo eh MM.
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September 24, 2017 11:00am
Shaun the Sheep

Just saw Coffey tell viewers “there is no Tino Rangatiratanga is standing there asking for more money”
I’ll leave that there without further comment.
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September 24, 2017 11:04am
Don the Kiwi

As I have previously mentioned, my son is a close friend of Clayton Mitchell.
FWIW, my son says that Clayton told him that there is no way that NZF will go with Labour. According to him, they believe that they are quite okay with the economy, but want to have immigration slowed, an emphasis on housing and some action on the Maori seats, and there is no way they will work with the Greens.

Time will tell.
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September 24, 2017 11:12am
- waikatosinger
  
  If they are going to get rid of the Maori seats then they need to kill the 5% threshold at the same time. The argument against the Maori seats is that you don’t need them in a proportional system. But the 5% threshold makes our system not proportional and so long as that is the case then there is a quite valid argument for having Maori seats.
  
  If Maori seats are abolished but the 5% threshold remains then the Maori party would find it very difficult indeed to ever get back into parliament. And that constitutes an argument for Maori seats. Kill the 5% threshold however and that argument goes away. It was the 5% threshold that killed the Maori party. Maori seats didn’t save them.
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:59am
  - Nermal
    
    The Maori party is a sad remnant of identity politics, where workers voted for Labour, farmers voted National, men in crimpoline suits voted Social Credit/Conservative/TOP and women voted as their men told them.
    
    You may not like the results that MMP provide, but it’s a truer reflection of the people of New Zealand than FPP, where a minority of men in caucus could rule the country when voted by a minority of voters.
    
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    September 24, 2017 2:03pm
Nukuleka

Nicky Wagner’s loss of Christchurch Central will probably not have come as a surprise given that the electorate was quite a Labour stronghold before she managed to wrest is away from them, and Labour mounted a solid campaign for Duncan Webb. But sadly Nicky lacks a bit of the old self-awareness that a polly needs, as evidenced by her appalling tweet about rather being sailing than attending meetings for the disabled! She’s frankly a bit too Fendalton/ Merivale jolly hockey sticks for the good working citizens of Chch Central. Bill would do well to sideline her to the backbenches where she can do no further harm and suggest she gracefully retire before the next election.
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September 24, 2017 11:26am
- MrTips
  
  Agree. And Webb will be pleased to be away from Lane Neave, whom have had serious issues of late. Rats and ships and all…..
  
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  September 24, 2017 1:12pm
- RF
  
  I hear the Labour candidate was very visual with many corner meetings and press releases concerning EQ housing damage issues.
  
  I suspect Wagner was getting stale and her heart was no longer in it.
  
  She has done a good job and now time to move on.
  
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  September 24, 2017 3:01pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  or – no-one on earth could have won the seat for National. I doubt it’s anywhere near as neat and simple.
  Such a Labour loving climate change concerned child poverty hand-wringing working class town – they should have fewer kids and get the fark out of their cars . . . in a city that’s flat as fark for cycling.
  
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  September 25, 2017 1:19am
fluffykiwi

I wonder whether Jan Trotman will have any influence on Winnie’s direction. I would not think she would be too keen on the Commie chick.
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September 24, 2017 11:37am
realityczech

Some common sense for the dimwits. Funny how the low information critics of NZF agree with their actual policies, though they are too thick to know those policies.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97171105/live-nz-election-night
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September 24, 2017 11:41am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Well said RealityCzech – you would think from uptick ratio from any non NZ political party aligned story on here, Kiwiblog would be 85% supportive of NZF and their policies but they keep cheering on the party (National) that keeps on laughing at them and shitting in their Weetbix. They criticise the MSM but believe exactly what it tells them about Peters.
  
  Weird 🙂
  
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  September 24, 2017 11:46am
  - realityczech
    
    I know it is hilarious. You can see their policy right there on their website. It looks like it was written by the regular KB National troll team.
    
    Yet the sheeple keep on shouting msm propaganda into their circle jerk/echo chamber.
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:05pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      sheeple
      msm propaganda
      circle jerk
      echo chamber
      
      Hi Reid.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:29pm
EAD_TWO

Looks like Parker is the real deal
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September 24, 2017 11:46am
- Longknives
  
  The real deal who couldn’t even knock over his patsy sparring partner in his last bullshit ‘title’ fight?
  Hughie Fury would be lucky to last two rounds with Joshua,Povetkin or Klitschko-But don’t that get in the way of your little ‘Joseph Parker is the new Ali’ fantasy…
  
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  September 24, 2017 5:06pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    agree
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:11am
Nostalgia-NZ

Hughie Fury was confused he thought he was running an Olympic 100 metres – backwards.
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September 24, 2017 11:53am
Michael

Well, the result ended up much as was expected a few months ago. National getting the most seats but with Winston the Kingmaker [or Queenmaker]. I did think Winston would hold on to Northern and maybe the Maori party would still win one seat , but no real surprises.
John Key’s resignation made bugger all difference.
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September 24, 2017 11:56am
Fletch

I shudder to think what position Winnie would hold in government. I can’t quite remember, but didn’t he go across to America a few years back in the role of some kind of ambassador and tell some reporters off over there? The interview was over and he didn’t want to be photographed or something?
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September 24, 2017 12:01pm
- realityczech
  
  Winston is what has saved us from a far left coalition. It’s common sense.
  
  You also agree with most of his policies but are too brainwashed to know that.
  
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  September 24, 2017 12:15pm
  - Fletch
    
    Oh, you misunderstand me. I’m not against him, per se. I’d rather have him onboard than with Labour and the Greens.
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:22pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Certainly on the international stage, he proved himself more than capable in Helen Clark’s government when dealing with internationals and foreign policy.
      
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      September 24, 2017 12:51pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I am praying for Speaker of the House.
  No days off, have to keep the clowns in check and throwing himself out 3 times a year.
  
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  September 24, 2017 12:31pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Minister of Immigration.
    
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    September 24, 2017 12:58pm
  - marcw
    
    Now that would be the funniest show in town – QT after lunch each day would have him confused as hell trying to remember whose turn was next, which side won, and the staffers would be checking his glass for water or gin.
    
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    September 24, 2017 1:23pm
    - Viking2
      
      Are you suggesting that Mallard does Granny naps each day?
      
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      September 24, 2017 5:33pm
snowy

we won.
You lost.
Eat that!
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September 24, 2017 12:28pm
Digmen1

There was a poll the other day that showed a very large percentage of NZF supporters felt that Winston should go with National.

And I agree, of course he should,
But National should not give him too much.
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September 24, 2017 12:32pm
Digmen1

How to simplify MMP.

I have always felt that the best way to improve or simpilfy MMP is to remove the threshold and coat tails rules.

Have 100 Mps
If you get 1% of the vote you get 1 MP.
If you get 5%, you get 5 Mps.

It would be very simple and easy to understand.
But none of this Head of the party extra salary, staff etc until you get to say 5%.
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September 24, 2017 12:35pm
- waikatosinger
  
  I’d also add ten bonus seats for the party that comes tops in the popular vote. You sacrifice pure proportionality in terms of the makeup of parliament, but you stop Winston from having such a disproportionate influence on politics and gain back for the people the power to change the government.
  
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  September 24, 2017 1:06pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    you’ve been watching too many game shows man.
    
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    September 25, 2017 1:09am
fluffykiwi

Advance voting. Seemed to work well. However, I would limit it to 1 week, all hoardings and electioneering ceases the moment the polling booths are open.
If you don’t make an end date for hoardings they will remain up until they fall down. there needs to be an incentive for their removal.
There should be no electioneering once the booths open because this year there were subtle changes and flip flops to policy and policy announcements even after the first votes were cast. This is not fair and reasonable. Before you vote you should be in full knowledge of what you are voting for, all the information etc., should be out there.
One week for early voting, the busiest day of early voting was the Friday before. the cost would be reduced.
OR we go back to one day only and have more booths open.
2 weeks is far too long, next people will want a month.
People should not be able to enrol on the day. It is easy to enrol so there is actually no excuse for not enrolling. You should be able to enrol in anticipation of coming of age to vote. That way all information can be checked.
Vote cards should be sent out earlier. Mine arrived after I voted.
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September 24, 2017 12:49pm
Digmen1

You should be enrolled 6 months before the election.

You should be aged 25 and over (brain is not fully developed until then)

There should be no polling booths at schools or universities. They should be at farms or factories.
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September 24, 2017 1:15pm
- realityczech
  
  Best idea yet.
  
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  September 24, 2017 2:09pm
Jack5

“How the world reacted to the NZ election” trumpets a Hooerald web site headline.

FFS, we’re a remote, tiny island country in the South Pacific. Our population size is 126th among the world’s nations, and our economy has the world’s 69th biggest GDP.

Did more than a 100th of the world notice we had an election.
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September 24, 2017 2:01pm
- Gruffydd
  
  National Party stays on top in NZ election, though still shy of majority
  Nikkei Asian Review 8h ago
  [Telegraph.co.uk]
  New Zealand election stalemate leaves populist Winston Peters as kingmaker
  Telegraph.co.uk 10h ago
  [CNN]
  New Zealand’s ruling National Party ahead in election
  CNN 11h ago
  [ABC News]
  Prime Minister Bill English ahead in New Zealand election
  ABC News 14h ago
  [Reuters]
  National Party leads with 46 percent of vote in New Zealand election
  Reuters 11h ago
  [Sky News Australia]
  NZ PM Bill English seeks deal for fourth term
  Sky News Australia 6h ago
  [Washington Post]
  New Zealanders head to polls for neck-and-neck national vote
  Washington Post 21h ago
  [BuzzFeed News]
  No Result Expected For Weeks In New Zealand After Nail Biting National Election
  BuzzFeed News 12h ago
  [Daily Mail]
  New Zealand’s new Prime Minister hasn’t been decided after results too close
  Daily Mail 11h ago
  
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  September 24, 2017 2:11pm
  - realityczech
    
    “populist Winston Peters ”
    
    A “populist” with around 7% ?
    
    Fake news. Is this where you get your weather reports from Griffy ?
    
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    September 24, 2017 2:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Griff gets his meteorological forecasts and global warming fears from visions, RealityCzech. He’s a modern day, Western survivalist shaman.
      
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      September 24, 2017 2:41pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Drunk 5 times a week .
        
        Did more than a 100th of the world notice we had an election
        
        Yes I could have added the Chinese and Indian press
        That’s well more than half the world population covered .
        In reply we get the incoherent drunken babbling that give your addiction away .
        Dont forget to be nice to your family now….
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        LOL 🙂
        
        Check out Griffy’s incoherent comment taking a swipe at drinkers ! Bet he edits that real fast.
        
        Don’t do drugs kids.
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:02pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Griff is a drug addict and should be laughed at as a sick joke!
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:04pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Dont forget to be nice to your family now….
        Opps to late eh d4j.
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:06pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Griff is a nasty drug addict with no life and a head full of voices. Such people should seek help for their embarrassing addictions. You are a disgrace to kiwiblog and New Zealand society.
        
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        September 24, 2017 5:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s a mild accusation by Griff’s standards (his 5.00 post). Griff has in the past labelled other posters as wife beaters and paedophiles.
        
        Griff is deteriorating in his cannabis-addled life style, isolated in his off-the-grid hideway up north.
        
        Griff brings to mind a comment by the psychiatrist and writer, Anthony Storr. Discussing the mental health of gurus who rise from time to time, Storr notes:
        
        Grandiosity and isolation march hand-in-hand.
        
        Time to come back to civilisation, Griff.
        
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        September 24, 2017 6:42pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Butt hurt as well as drunk 5 time a day.
        How cute .
        
        Do your self and your family a favor jack
        http://www.aa.org.nz/
        
        if you find problem drinking, binge drinking, drinking blackouts or other alcohol problems are affecting your life and that of your friends and family, Alcoholics Anonymous may have the solution for you. To find out if we can help try this Are you an alcoholic? quiz or contact AA by attending a meeting or contact us.
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jack5, you are correct in noting that isolation has this effect. You often see it in people living at road ends in remote locations backing onto the bush and mountains.
        
        Griff’s already fragile mental state has tragically worsened now he is locked away in his doomsday prepper compound.
        
        Luckily the new National government have promised to spend more on mental health. We can all look forward to Griff being tied to a bed and given electric shocks, supplied by the local coal powered electricity station 🙂
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        RealityCzech, yes, the mental health authorities will want to bring the old bush pig into the city and hook him up to the grid. It will be far cheaper than running a power line out to his bunker.
        
        Wiring Griff up to his solar panels, would be too intermittent in jolts, what with darkness, rain, and the clouds of cannabis smoke.
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    The question is whether the election was “reported” in overseas media, or the “world reacted” to the election.
    
    A quiet Sunday with no big terrorist incident or disaster, and the more serious English-speaking media give a few paragraphs on an election in New Zealand – much as they might to one in Sri Lanka, Bolivia, Denmark, or perhaps even Fiji.
    
    Der Spiegel (German edition) announced Bill English “had won”, but the big news was US bombers spooking North Korea. I couldn’t find anything about NZ on Tass, for example.
    
    The élection de Nouvelle-Zélande is reported in the French newspaper Liberation.
    
    Bloomberg had a piece in its Asia edition, but the NZ election doesn’t feature on the Fox news web site.
    
    To trumpet that the world “reacts” to the NZ election is deluded and narcissistic.
    
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    September 24, 2017 2:34pm
    - big bruv
      
      Stop telling lies Jack 5. Everybody knows that the overseas media always have one major story per day about New Zealand, Lorde and the national rugby team.
      
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      September 25, 2017 7:22pm
- GoVege
  
  And we have to watch Ozzie TV to find out our news…
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:22pm
Scorpion

WINSTON
Never give in

WINSTON
No Surrender

WINSTON
Never give in

WINSTON
No Surrender

WINSTON
Never give in

WINSTON
No Surrender

WINSTON
Never give in

WINSTON
No Surrender

WINSTON
Never give in

WINSTON
No Surrender

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

TWO TICKS BLACK 2020

The CAMPAIGN Starts TODAY
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September 24, 2017 2:32pm
- Jack5
  
  Scorpy, who are the black ticks for?
  
  The Nazis liked black, so did Pol Pot, Al Qaeda, and ISIL?
  
  Who have you got in mind?
  
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  September 24, 2017 2:37pm
  - Scorpion
    
    WHAT IS THE COLOUR OF OUR COUNTRY
    
    YOU F U CKING RETARD
    
    OR WHAT ARE YOU A COLOUR BLIND
    RECENT IMMIGRANT IMPORTED TO VOTE
    NATIONAL SOCIALIST
    
    YOU WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT A NATZI
    WAS YOU GRADE A F U CK WIT
    
    NATZI RACIST RACIST NATZI
    
    YOU COMMUNIST MARXIST LOW
    LIFE SHEEP SODOMITES
    
    ALWAYS USE THAT AS AN ARGUMENT
    the world over
    BECAUSE YOU HEAD IS SO FAR
    UP THE SHEEPS A R SE
    
    We do not know where you start or it begins
    
    HERE IS AN IDEA
    
    TRY THINKING FOR YOUR SELF
    
    SEE YOU 2020 SCUM BAG
    
    [DPF:Well that is Strike 1 2 and 3 all together]
    
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    September 24, 2017 5:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      OK, Scorpy.
      
      But would you do us a favour please, and ask the nurses to get the caps lock on your keyboard fixed?
      
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      September 24, 2017 6:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        Scorpy I suspect Jack5 is one of the SHEEP SODOMITES !!!! you have warned us about.
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Perhaps we’ve got it the wrong way round.
        
        Perhaps Scorpy got trapped in the home paddock with the rams before they were put out to do their work!
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        How very droll Jacky 😉
        
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        September 24, 2017 7:42pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      SEE U LATERER YA FRUITCAKE
      
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      September 25, 2017 1:06am
Digmen1

After this debacle
I think we need a written constituion.

After an election where there is no clear majority, the party with the most seats in entitled to form a government with who ever it wants or can go it alone on a minority basis.

Special votes must be counted with 7 days.
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September 24, 2017 3:20pm
- realityczech
  
  If 40% vote for party – A
  30% party – B
  30% remainder.
  
  And the remainders join party-B we have a government that represents 60%
  
  Your idea is that 40% should govern.
  
  It is wankers just like you that prevented me voting National.
  
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  September 24, 2017 7:28pm
  - Scorpion
    
    WHEN YOU W A N K
    AND W A N K AND
    W A N K – W A N K
    AND W A N K AND W A N K
    WHEN YOU W A N K
    
    AND DON’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN
    BECAUSE YOU
    W A N K AND W A N K
    
    You have to import people to Vote for you.
    
    National Socialists Hopes of every having a Clear
    Majority have been used up like the
    Jar of Vaseline they pass around.
    
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    September 24, 2017 8:07pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Given Winston doesn’t seem to be a team player, and is unlikely to contest the 2020 election, would it be better for the NZ1st MP’ to replace him as leader now so that they can have a few years to establish a post Peters brand to try and survive his retirement?
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September 24, 2017 3:57pm
Monique Watson

It’s not Gay if it’s a three way, with a Honey in the middle…… (Lonely Island)

My reasons for the 3-way
His speech spelt out how the media turned it into a two horse race under an MMP environment denying the smaller parties Oxygen. Even Peter Dunne saw the writing on the wall and quit before he lost. Peters got fired by Shipley in ’96 and has bad blood with English. He lost his seat in Northland you could tell that hurt. Revenge factors abound.
During part of speech he looked almost tearful and the rest of it hammered the media who turned it into a two way race.
Oh yeah and the Greens are not the Greens they were back in the day. That Shaw is well spoken (better than Newsboy who ousted Flavell.) And there’s every chance given their policies are not quite so radical Peters will swallow that dead rat.
You see where I’m going. The Greens won’t get into Cabinet but they are needed. In fact they need each other. And they all believe in free tertiary education, the biggest money sucking portfolio. It was the big bribe that worked for Helen.
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September 24, 2017 4:13pm
Monique Watson

Scorpion you should be put on a leash. Just say it once. And don’t stutter.
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September 24, 2017 4:14pm
Monique Watson

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11925865

Barry Soper tips the post election uncertainty.
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September 24, 2017 4:31pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I don’t rate Barry Soper. He is dying for Jacinda to get in. Well passed his use by date. And that screaming Banshee Andrea Vance. What an airhead. I thought Jacinda was going to deck her if she asked one more stupid question. ( If she had I’d vote for her next time!)
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:20pm
Ross12

The polls were interesting.
Overall they got the end result close enough but some of the individual seat polls were a bit off. I must admit I did not pay close attention to them all but the Maori seats in particular –Flavell and Tamiti I thought were predicted to be win reasonably comfortably. I’m not sure why that would happen.
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September 24, 2017 4:53pm
Longknives

I have two questions from Election night-

1) Why, after banging on about how ‘Young’ she is for months, are Labour now dressing Adern like a 70 year old battleaxe and plastering Helen Clark make-up all over her face?
2)Was that TVNZ reporter who was chasing and literally shrieking at the Prime Minister drunk? (“Is this your worst possible result??) That was one of the most unprofessional things I think I have ever seen. Hosking looked embarrassed…
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September 24, 2017 5:13pm
- Happychappy
  
  Longknives: Jacinda has also mastered Clarks sly grin, so someone must be schooling her to make sure she looks more mature.
  
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  September 24, 2017 7:08pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, Phil Goff had that smirk down, too. It’s sort of a condescending “you don’t know what you’re talking about and are stupid for asking me that question” grin followed by a contemptuous chuckle and an “aww, well look..” before assuming a didactic manner like they are tired having to school us plebs.
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:27pm
Scorpion

NO POWER FOR NATIONAL

NO POWER FOR LABOUR

NO POWER FOR NATIONAL

NO POWER FOR LABOUR

HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AHA

HA HA HA HA AHA HA HA

YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
BETTER THAN

SELLING THE COUNTRY TO YOUR COMMO
MATES

HA HA HA HA H HA HA
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September 24, 2017 5:44pm
- nasska
  
  The living proof that donkeys fuck!
  
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  September 24, 2017 5:54pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Permaban incoming!
  
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  September 24, 2017 6:15pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Its KB’s pet screenlicker.
    I don’t think anyone has even bothered to complain.
    
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    September 24, 2017 6:23pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Above we see the the mental capacity required, and effects of voting for New Zealand First.
  
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  September 24, 2017 6:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes Griff is a loon but he actually votes for a party on around 1%. He is impotent and harmless.
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:31pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/316/742/44b.jpg
      
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      September 24, 2017 7:44pm
sooty

Penny Bright got last again in the elction 2017 in Tamaki, only got 201 votes. Loser. Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out!
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September 24, 2017 6:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It costs $300 to stand as an electorate candidate.
  That equates to $1.50/vote for Penny.
  
  Poor old Gareth Morgan has paid out $400,000+ this year for 48,ooo votes.
  (Equates to $8.33/vote).
  
  I think Penny has shown greater financial acumen than Dr Morgan.
  
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  September 24, 2017 6:58pm
  - nasska
    
    Penny’s a piker Maggy & so is Catman! Colin Craig paid about $27 per vote for two elections. 🙂
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:04pm
- Manolo
  
  I have confidence in the hopeless bludger and want her to stand again and again. 😀
  
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  September 24, 2017 7:10pm
Gruffydd

look who got thrashed .

Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party 5,853
Conservative 5,318
MANA 2,775
Ban1080 2,440
New Zealand People’s Party 1,631
United Future 1,471
NZ Outdoors Party 1,333
Democrats for Social Credit 732
Internet Party 464

Tāmaki
Penny Bright 201
Mr Informal 312
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September 24, 2017 6:18pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Even 5,600 stoners cared more about voting for what they believed in than those who voted for Penny. I am assuming Tamaki is where they release the nutters into society?
  
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  September 24, 2017 6:27pm
- Longknives
  
  464 people voted for the ‘Chem Trails/The CIA are bugging my phone’ Internet Party??
  
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  September 24, 2017 7:12pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Just wait till there is internet voting. The Internet party will win with 107% of the possible vote…..
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  200 fuckwits in Auckland? I am assuming the tart voted for herself. Oh well, another failure to notch up. She must be getting pretty close to the most unvoted politician ever. Pay your rates, you dishonest leach.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:16pm
nasska

…..”Conservative 5,318″…..

Are you sure Griff? Seems very low for a party of delusional religious freaks.

Marijuana must be more popular. 🙂
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September 24, 2017 6:22pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Yip if the tragic potheads manage to do better its a indictment of the party supporters.
  MANA dead .
  Conservatives dead.
  United possum head dead
  Penny never alive to start with
  
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  September 24, 2017 6:30pm
- Fletch
  
  I voted for the Conservatives last time, if only for there to be a sort of representation of a real conservatism in parliament but Colin Craig let us all down rather badly and rather besmirched the name of the party. I don’t believe they’ll ever get anywhere near 5% again.
  
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  September 24, 2017 7:23pm
  - nasska
    
    Colin Craig, Graham Capill, John Banks.
    
    You self righteous, moralistic turkeys sure can pick em! 🙂
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:30pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      They don’t need to pick them Nasska .
      That is what they are.
      
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      September 24, 2017 7:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    Do you select your candidates from the Court news ?
    
    Or maybe the sensible sentencing trust’s list of sex offenders ?
    
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    September 24, 2017 7:36pm
Rachael Membery

I see the MSM are still pimping Jacinda, how embarrassing for her.
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September 24, 2017 6:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  …how embarrassing for her
  
  How taxing for us.
  
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  September 24, 2017 8:40pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Must have forgotten that Jacinda is promising a multimedia state run news agency competing for eyes and clickbait. How sad for them.
  
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  September 24, 2017 9:15pm
RF

I have nothing but disgust for the snivelling bastard Barry Soper. He is nothing but a slime ball and if there is a god he will answer for all the Shit And lies that he inflicts upon us.
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September 24, 2017 9:23pm
starboard

…and the last comment of the night goes to mikenmild. MM, what do you think of the election result? MM? Milky? ..MM..
*tumbleweeds and dust*…..MM?….
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September 24, 2017 9:47pm
BeeSting

No it Does not.

I just have to say.

I really enjoyed Voting in the least Corrupt Democracy in the World.

Owned by Communist China.

I really do hope Winston.

Drives Carefully and stays well.
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September 24, 2017 10:14pm
Fletch

McPhail and Gatsby take on Winston in the 1990s holding the country to ransom 😆

https://youtu.be/Ztv7M4QMiAw
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September 24, 2017 10:30pm
Fletch

Also –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPQUm4QC6Pw
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September 24, 2017 10:35pm
Jack5

Now the election’s been held, time to have another look at National List MP Jian Yang and his training and service in China’s secret intelligence agencies.

A good place to resume the discussion: Michael Reddell talking of how Chris Finlayson, at an election meeting, played the “racism!” card to shut down discussion about Jian Yang.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/09/20/the-political-cone-of-silence-with-slurs/
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September 24, 2017 11:28pm
Piniwi

Love him or hate him Winston First is in the box seat all be it again as a mere default list MP.
It is again very important to “hear” what he is saying rather than just listen to him.
He is without doubt the most seasoned MP in NZ and he is always in whatever he does for NZ. He was in fine form this morning giving the press a rev up which is long overdue.
Few doubt he will be looking for the best deal he can get as he looks ahead to fewer days to come than those behind him in politics. He has given off plenty of signals for those who “hear” them about post election intentions.

He enumerated for the press it will be a priority to discuss with the party and their board which direction they see as best for them and NZ. Then the real “negotiations” will begin where again he has plenty of ability.

IMO he will be much more inclined to favour a Nat/NZF with a strong majority compared to a three headed dragon alternative. Numbers are another strength of his and he has oft repeated the familiar terms of stability, strength and sound policy making.
It may not matter how much “give” Taxinda might wave as he does not seem to be dazzled by her smile.

Special votes remain big enough to not be overlooked but if we take the spread of early votes it will not hold much benefit for the needy. The final result may not have any impact on the current position of the parties. It would nice to think we might see the best that Winston First has to give to NZ to enhance his political legacy as a last hurrah.
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