General Debate 16 September 2017

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krazykiwi

When choosing a prime minister, go for the safe pair of hands, over the wobbly pair of heels
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September 16, 2017 8:00am
- mikenmild
  
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  If only there were such a choice.
  But some questions:
  Do you think your comment will influence anyone to vote the way you recommend?
  Do you think any comment on this, or any other blog, would have such influence?
  Haven’t most people voted already, anyway?
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:03am
  - srylands
    
    You really think “most” people have voted?
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:08am
    - mikenmild
      
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      Probably not, but they should. Why, are you wanting to hear something convincing from a politician?
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:11am
      - starboard
        
        “But some questions:”
        
        How unusual
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:14am
      - MrTips
        
        They won’t get anything honest from a Labour one, especially Robertson. There is not a more self entitled, untrustworthy backstabber than he in Parliament.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:17am
      - Dead Earnest
        
        Why is Jacinda so keen to encourage early voting?
        Maybe she wants as many votes as possible before the blowtorch of scrutiny completely destroys Labour’s policy platform.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:26am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Mr Tips apologies hit report instead of reply.
        
        Robbo the Rat Fucker. He has to be one of the most despicable human beings to get involved in politics. I could cope with Jacinda, but his smarmy smug arrogant face is vomit inducing.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:39am
    - pdm
      
      `Haven’t most people voted already, anyway?’
      
      No they haven’t.
      
      mrspdm’s boss said to her 90plus year old father one day this week:
      
      Come on Dad I will take you to vote.
      His reply:
      Today is not election day! I will vote on election day.
      
      There are a lot of people like that and mrspdm and I will not be voting until election day.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:23am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        This is a re-post and I apologise if someone has put it somewhere else
        
        If you only do one thing today, show your commitment and give a tick to the blue team to ensure the reds stay under the bed
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96897026/were-curious-who-are-you-going-to-vote-for
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:31am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Be careful if you think you are taking your Dad to vote on election day. Friend went to visit their very elderly mum in resthome/hospital only to find an i have voted sticker on her with help aparently.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:44am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Knott
        
        I assume the rest home union members helped the elderly people to vote “correctly”
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:15am
      - mikenmild
        
        Yes, because it is important that people in rest homes cast votes that accord with the wishes of their family rather than the wishes of their care workers.
        
        Seriously, do you ever read what you write and wonder at it?
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:01am
      - Piniwi
        
        Sorry Southern Rider. Wrong button. They are not as easy to sway as the handicapped in community housing. They get taken to the polling booth in mass and carefully instructed how to vote. Their obedience to their favoured carer is traded on very heavily.
        Yes intellectually handicapped are entitled to vote like all residents. They do not up from down, when to shave, shower, shit and shampoo but can always find the table. The carers take care of everything. Voting is just another outing in the van. Yahoo.
        
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        September 16, 2017 5:52pm
    - oldpark
      
      @srylands 8.08.
      
      Early voting favours Lie-bour/Greens mafias. Miss Ardern and the faced that dumped thousands of elderly NZs waiting for elective surgery off Hospital waiting lists, causing terrible angst when the elderly were left to their own health solutions ,sadly many committed suicide.,was also guilty of shutting down Mental Hospitals. Last time when Labour ruled NZ with an iron fist.Miss Arderns’puppet master the Sociopathic Helen Clark wants early voting as well.What an indictment,our family suffered healthwise,very badly under the reign of Labour.Lest we forget.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:52am
  - JibberJabber
    
    OMG the irony, how much influence, in your own mind, do you think you have here on someone elses blog ?
    Your reaction to such an innocuous comment speaks volumes.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:35am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think you may have missed the point. Kiwiblog is about the last forum I would choose to try to influence someone’s vote. Not that I care about anyone else’s vote.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:03am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Dunno milky. I’m hopeful that your comments and mine influence the same outcome: Two ticks blue
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:58am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:16am
      - JibberJabber
        
        The fuckwit has shit the bed early this morn.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:19am
    - KevOB
      
      ☑️☑️
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:53am
      - Gabby
        
        Tulixpu
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:36am
  - calendar girl
    
    Bit grouchy this morning, mm? No place for a bit of light-heartedness in your Election world?
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:12am
    - mikenmild
      
      The sun’s nearly over the yardarm, girl.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:03am
  - Ross12
    
    Some people actually work all week MM.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:17am
    - stigie
      
      Noticed a lot of comments deleted this morning.
      I guess some of them weren’t very helpful !~
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:55am
  - GazzaW
    
    @mikey
    
    Who the hell in their right mind would vote until election day unless they were going to be away? Voting for any party other than National-Act is akin to signing a blank cheque to the Labour Party. Anyone prepared to bet the house that Robbo won’t shift the goalposts again?
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:42am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think the early voting is fine. Convenient too. If one needs another week of this circus to make up one’s mind then that’s a bit sad.
      What would anyone be waiting for:
      Winston to announce a SuperDuperGold Card?
      Labour to promise pennies from heaven?
      Billy to promise a flat tax?
      Greens to promise a cure for cancer?
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:06am
      - Viking2
        
        Billy to promise flat tax.
        Beat idea you have had all year MM.
        
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        September 16, 2017 5:43pm
- sam green
  
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  But Bill looks great in heels – really shows off his calves.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:13am
  - starboard
    
    stooopid boy
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:14am
    - sam green
      
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      Arse bandit.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:17am
      - pdm
        
        Sam Green – obviously a lefty.
        
        How do I know?
        
        Responds aggressively to a mild rebuke.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:28am
      - sam green
        
        A mild rebuke? Starboard knows he’s been found out.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:37am
  - lifesgood
    
    That has to be one of the most childish comments I’ve seen.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:22am
    - sam green
      
      ? but he does look good in heels.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:25am
- Simon
  
  Wobbly pairs of heels for me. Entertainment value.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:41am
- Scorpion
  
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  LABOUR AND NATIONAL
  LIKE YOU
  
  ARE A SICK PATHETIC
  
  JOKE
  
  THAT IS NOT FUNNY
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:55am
  - starboard
    
    D4J is Scorpion. ” Sick pathetic joke”..that’s a D4J line.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:01am
    - stigie
      
      I wondered if dad4justmen was Scorpion, great spotting starboard..?
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:32am
      - sam green
        
        Yes – nearly gave the old bugger a tick for that one. ?
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:08am
- billmurray
  
  LP President, Nigel Haworth, to his flock, don’t vote “strategically for the Greens”.
  The MoU is in tatters.
  Labours and the Greens are now in my opinion, starting to smell.
  Unsafe.
  Both untrustworthy.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:04am
- CJames
  
  If you want to see how relentlessly positive Labour supporters can be when things go against them, there is LPrent’s rant on homepaddock to amuse you:
  https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2017/09/15/labours-no-show/#comments
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:45am
  - niggly
    
    Geez that Prentice is a turkey! Somehow manages to conflate his situation with that of farmers, then off on another tangent and attacks the usual right-wing suspects etc.
    
    At least there was a great riposte by Andrei (presume it’s the same Andrei that posts here)!
    
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    September 16, 2017 12:19pm
    - RF
      
      What an angry wee man…. like all key board warriors who hide behind their screens and are too afraid to front the real world.
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:33pm
duggledog

‘Union workers who complained about unsafe conditions at Save Mart stores have been made redundant, soon after John Campbell was invited to the New Lynn store to see the operation for himself.’

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201858731/save-mart-fires-workers-after-safety-complaints-union

“We’ve got a whole bunch of union members – and they’re all women – who have commitments, children, some of them are solo mothers and they’re distraught and don’t know where to turn. We now have to navigate through that.”

Good on you John! Unintended consequences.

Never mind. Maybe one of these ladies can come and clean your house, where you will no doubt pay them a Living Wage!

Principles are all well and good in the top part of town but they’re not very sustaining at the lower end.
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September 16, 2017 8:01am
- Gabby
  
  They should have just kept their heads down and kept eating shit right dangledung.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  Campbell has been proudly campaigning all week on this beat up .
  The union members were dumb fucks to take it to him.
  If a union can’t sort out work place issues then the workers are wasting their dues and they’re double dumb going public like that , as shown by the consequences.
  
  But as duggle points out , the irony is Campbell will continue to get paid way more than he’s worth by you and me , will be able to pat himself on his chardonnay socialist back for sticking it to the capitalist bastards , while the fools that went to him have lost their jobs.
  
  It’s like the foreign media who plastered the faces of interviewees all across the tv screens after the Tien An Men massacre in China , for the sake of their own ratings ……. what’s happened to those people since?
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:28am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s like the fools who think they can get out of buying protection by going to the police isn’t it kobknob.
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:30am
  - Gabby
    
    I don’t think the owner’s Chinese kobknob.
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:33am
- Gabby
  
  You know dangledung I reckon you’ve come up with the new nat slogan:
  Principles are all well and good in the top part of town but they’re not very sustaining at the lower end.
  And don’t you forget it.
  
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  September 16, 2017 11:32am
duggledog

Go for a guy who can shear a sheep

Over a girl who can ‘DJ’
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September 16, 2017 8:03am
- stigie
  
  Over 600 comments on yesterdays GD, this must be a record..?
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    If we had a pre-election GD with sub-threads on abortion, gender identity, euthanasia, Trump, North Korea … and with kea2, kea3, kea4, milky in full song (+ ztev in spite overdrive) we’d bust the 1000 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  Or was that supposed to be ‘BJ’?
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:38am
  - stigie
    
    Ok if the teeth were able to come out Inandout !~
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:45am
    - Inandout
      
      Funny how the hazy, crazy days at uni come back to haunt some public figures.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:47am
BananaLlama

“Allah Akbar” cries out the Muslim terrorist as he strikes you.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/15/explosion-tube-parsons-green-station/
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September 16, 2017 8:03am
- EAD_TWO
  
  I see what you did there. You took the ancient Polish Proverb – “The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you” and reinvented it for Muslims.
  
  For example, in Britain where they just has the tube bombing, British Jews cry out “don’t forget the Holocaust” (even though Britain had nothing to do with the so-called Holocaust) while at the same time preparing the groundwork to allow an “influx” of Muslims to circumvent the government’s orders:
  
  British Jewry is vowing to not stand idly by as restrictive British asylum policy prevents all but a tiny trickle of today’s refugees to legally reach the shores of the United Kingdom.
  
  Earlier this month, during Hanukkah, three of Britain’s Jewish religious movements released a video announcing the launch of a campaign to reinstate private sponsorship for refugees, a mechanism that disappeared after WWII.
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/british-jews-prepare-groundwork-for-influx-of-syrian-refugees/
  
  This while at the same time they refuse to admit any Syrians themselves into Israel (despite being neighbours) and then, having flooded the country with more Muslims cry out “Oy Vey”- it’s time to go back to our ethno-state because of “muh anti-semitism”.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-terror-attack-chief-rabbi-meir-bar-hen-jews-move-israel-europe-is-lost-a7903111.html
  
  Barcelona’s chief rabbi urges Jews to move to Israel because ‘Europe is lost’
  
  Well, why the hell is it “lost” Rabbi?!?!
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:48am
  - BananaLlama
    
    You are an irredeemable anti-semite EAD the dog whistle was for leftists but you took the bait anyway.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:05am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Well bananalama,
      
      which part of what I said isn’t true?
      
      Was that an ancient Polish Proverb?
      
      Have British Jews been working to bring more Muslims into the UK by using the ol Holocaust pretext?
      
      https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/your-response-to-migrant-crisis-is-appalling-british-jews-tell-cameron-a2487361.html
      
      Does Israel refuse to admit any Syrians refugees?
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:11am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Why should Israel take additional Syrian refugees when they there are dozens of Muslim countries around the same area also capable of taking them. You will find Israel actually took thousands of Jewish refugees from Syria back in the 60’s and 70’s. Do Jewish refugees not count?
        
        Also Israeli hospitals treat Syrians all the time
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:21am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        EAD,
        
        I researched your so-called “ancient Polish proverb” a while back and the only references I could find were neo-Nazis quoting it as such.
        
        Here is a list of more well-known Polish proverbs, probably not exhaustive, but nothing there about Jews. I doubt you could find a similar list that does include your one, however.
        
        Poznać błazna i bez dzwonków
        A fool does not need any bells
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:31am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        @ Lucia Maria,
        
        The origin of the Proverb has it’s roots in 16th century Poland.
        
        The Jews were notorious as loan-sharks who used usury to enslave the Polish peasantry through debt and they would use some of the most vile and cruel methods when collecting these debts, and would always complain that they were in fact the victims, even after employing murder, rape, and robbery to collect what they mistakenly believed they were owed. Hence the saying “the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you”
        
        This term entered the English vernacular through the stories of refugees from the Bolshevik “Red terror”.
        
        The Jewish Bolsheviks (93% of all Soviet commissars were Jewish, including Stalin, Lenin, and Trotsky and let’s not forget History;s greatest ever murderer Genrikh Yagoda) murdered 66 million Russians and it was a saying that Russian peasants used to say when complaining about the Jewish commissars calling them “anti-semites” and “racists” (the Jews invented this word) while murdering entire villages.
        
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        September 16, 2017 7:12pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        @ Southern Raider,
        
        my point seem to have gone over your head…..
        
        Israel has a strict “Jews Only” immigration policy + strict laws on who can get married to ensure that the Jews maintain racial purity in their ethno-state. An ethno-state that if a white country were to have would be deem “wayyyycist”
        
        And when you talk about “treating Syrians” – I’m well aware of that. Israel has been treating injured ISIS and Al-Qaeda fighters for a long time. This from February:
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html
        
        This from 2015:
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/
        
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        September 16, 2017 7:19pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “my point seem to have gone over your head…..”
        
        You don’t have a point. Just the same mindless neo-Nazi drivel. You’re like a stuck record, except a stuck record has more intelligence.
        
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        September 16, 2017 7:29pm
    - Gabby
      
      So you went fishing and hooked your own arse bangamama. Skillz.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:22am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Looks like a hooked a bottom feeder. That’s you Gobby.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  And the headlines in the UK papers are about Trump’s reaction . FFS.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:37am
- cmm
  
  One of the injured is a Kiwi.
  
  Why is there always a Kiwi at one of these disasters: plane crashes, terror incidents, volcanoes… somehow there’s always a Kiwi around.
  
  Less than 1 in 1500 people in the world is a Kiwi yet 22 people are injured and one of them’s a Kiwi.
  
  Moral of the story: If you hear a Kiwi accent on a plane or train or whatever, chances are it’s a bad place to be. Run like fuck!
  
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  September 16, 2017 2:17pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Yesterday I watched the voters stream into an advanced voting booth in South Auckland. There were quite a few senior high school students around and I got talking to them about the election and asking them if they could vote, who would they vote for. The answer of course I was Labour. I asked them why vote for Labour. The reply the mantra I’ve heard over and over throughout the years from working in South Auckland was familiar “Labour look after the poor”. “So do National” I replied. They weren’t willing to understand. National just look after the rich. After the booth closed for the day a large family of five Punjbai Indians turned up. There was no guessing who they were going to vote for. You could almost see them wanting to know when was Labour going to give them money. Through my employment I come into contact with young Pacific Islanders I’ve never been able get through to them the wider issues. What about the economy? World geopolitics? Do you know where the money actually comes from that pays for your cheap accommodation in a state house? Do you know how important it is to trade with other countries. I’m no genius but I value knowledge and those who seek to question everything in life. With the voters in South Auckland they can see no further than past their nose. They’ll just vote Labour because they get money from them. Like your nanna who would give you $20 every Christmas that’s what these voter expect, but a lot more.
The indoctrination of the young starts in the schools. The highly unionised teachers telling their students that Labour good. National bad. No discussion. They young like sheep follow. Now with those young enough to get cheap housing and hand out after hand out from the Clark government when they were children and now voting Labour again. No question what is best for the country. The teachers spread their cancerous mantra and infect more young. With the health care sector again being heavily unionised the same applies. For immigrants and older women returning to the workforce to become low level nurses. Wiping the bums of the old. Handing out leafleats on healthy eating to pactient’s before shuffling their overweight bodies outside for a smoke. But Labour gave them a job and that’s all they care about, but with the expectation of even more handouts from the left.
With Jacinia being all cool ‘cos she knows about bands, and lives in Auckland she’ll empower young girls for another generation and we’ll get three years of girls can do anything and more social engineering. But again a voter block who just don’t connect with the rest of country because they’ve never been to Balclutha. They just can’t see any further than their own world inhabited by social justice warriors and sticking to the old grey middle aged man. But that’s the left. Shutting down any difference of opinion. And slowly they take away the liberty and freedom of being an individual. There’s no other option but two ticks blue.
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September 16, 2017 8:06am
- mikenmild
  
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  Sick old fuck.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:13am
  - starboard
    
    Fuck you’re a wanker mm. Truth hurts doesn’t it you mong. Labour for losers..like yourself.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:19am
    - stigie
      
      His mum has taught him no manners. Where was his mum when he was growing up..?
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:27am
      - geoff3012
        
        Jail.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:39am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Mikey back to swearing at people he disagrees with. I hope David gives him a Holiday.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:20am
    - sam green
      
      Starboard back to calling people wankers.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:29am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    And there speaks the voice of the ‘relentlessy positivity’ of the Labour movement. Much too hard to respond with intelligence or to even try to articulate a contrary viewpoint.
    
    Just fire of a discriminatory insult or two!
    
    A perfect example of the modern day fascism.
    
    Thank you MM – cementing votes against Labour with every comment.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:24am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Talking about yourself again, moron?
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:36am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    mikenmild,
    
    Play the argument; not the man.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:03am
  - krazykiwi
    
    A well reasoned comment, receiving a nasty, three word ad hom from Milky.
    
    I think DPF should him some time in the bin.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:10am
- sam green
  
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  What fucking bollocks.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Which part did you disagree with? Extra points of you manage to string more than two sentences together.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:06am
  - Muttonbird
    
    +1. Silly old man. Scared stiff of a new generation.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Bollocks.
      
      “Progressives” are desperate to flood the west with third worlders.
      Under the guise of “diversity” to smash the home culture and to give themselves a boost at the ballot.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:42am
      - GoVege
        
        I find most immigrants are incredibly keen to work hard to make it in their adopted country.
        Each time I talk to a dairy owner, they tell me how their kids are all in uni.
        They are not here looking for ” handouts”!
        
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        September 16, 2017 4:18pm
  - kowtow
    
    It’s not bollocks.
    
    It’s vaginalia .
    
    Cos that’s what we’re going to get with the Red team , tons of vagina politics.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:34am
    - Gabby
      
      kobknob saw a vagina once, well, a picture. Hair turned white overnight.
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:26am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    You can be a nasty piece of work, can’t you sam green.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:46am
    - sam green
      
      Actually – I’m really kind of a Happychappy.
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:36am
      - Happychappy
        
        Your always good for a laugh Sam.
        
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        September 16, 2017 12:13pm
- sam green
  
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  ” After the booth closed for the day a large family of five Punjbai Indians turned up. There was no guessing who they were going to vote for. You could almost see them wanting to know when was Labour going to give them money.”
  
  Seriously? You people believe this shit?
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:31am
- Surely Knott
  
  Yes. Talk about indoctrination. Out West we had a council funded Kauri Karnival which included a punch and judy style puppet show. One of the puppets jokes (it’s a kids puppet show?!) is John Key is a donkey. They have been in our schools. They have been in our charities and community groups. And insidiously spreading their mis-information through the community as if it comes from sources of unbiased authority.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:49am
  - sam green
    
    They?
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:52am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Socialists
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:24am
    - Gabby
      
      The puppets, man, the crazy puppets..
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:24am
      - mikenmild
        
        The red puppets are under the beds.
        And the communists in the the National Party caucus.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:10am
- Southern Raider
  
  And Labour needs to maintain this reliance by keeping them poor, keeping them uneducated and keeping them pumping out lots of future labour voters
  
  It’s disappointing that in this election no party has proposed anything radical to get the 5% who can work but don’t back into the real world.
  
  Why can’t the Govt make unemployed people not in training do 3 days of work per week for the local council where they live? They can spend the other two days of the week applying for a real job
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:28am
  - VicParking
    
    All over the world 5% is about as low as you can get unemployment. For various reasons, drugs, intellegence, mental illness etc 5% of the population can not hold down a job even if they tried.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:47am
    - artemisia
      
      Or even if an employer is willing to offer a job.
      
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      September 16, 2017 12:23pm
    - Gabby
      
      You should totally punish that 5% just to keep them on their toes though.
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s dead right, Gabby!
        It’s their OWN FAULT they have schizophrenia/ were dragged up by abusive parents and don’t qualify for counselling, etc.
        They need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. ..or starve.
        
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        September 16, 2017 4:04pm
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:56am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:23am
- Psycho Milt
  
  It’s like a grumpy old White man manifesto. Get off my lawn, you Labour-voting kids!
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:34am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Stop being racist and ageist. Didn’t you know it’s not PC?
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:27am
- GoVege
  
  That is nonsense, The Only Red For Me….
  National would never look after the poor unless there was something in it for them.
  Remember “Ruthenasia”?
  When heaps of our Plunket clinics especially in POOR areas were closed down.
  Remember “Market Rents” for statehouses, when many people’s rents quadrupled virtually overnight.
  National have never had a heart…or a brain.
  
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  September 16, 2017 4:13pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You really are full of it.
    From your bullshit ‘stories’ to outright ignorance and racism.
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:16pm
    - GoVege
      
      Do you deny that National closed down Plunket clinics in poor areas?
      Or that they charged “market rents” for state houses?
      Or that they did nothing for a decade about the meningococcal epidemic that affected 6 times as many Polynesian as Pakeha children?
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:23pm
Happychappy

National on 40% Labour 39% in latest roy morgan poll. Greens polling 9%
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September 16, 2017 8:06am
- Manolo
  
  In which case it is all over: NZ will crash and burn under a socialist Labour – communist Green government.
  
  Three years will suffice to wreck the economy.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:13am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    According to many that is preferable to a Nat NZF government.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:19am
    - gorse
      
      After the election, if Labour/Greens form a government can someone publish a list of their promises that I can put on my fridge door and be able to tick the promises off as they achieve them? We all know by the end of three years there will only be a sea of ticks in the “not achieved” column. We could send thousands of completed pages in to the media in three years time showing them how wrong they were to back the wrong horse. I would think some starters for the list would be: No homeless, 100,000 homes built, GDP up, debt down, average incomes up, income tax not changed, the list would go on.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:35am
      - Gabby
        
        They’ll pull some lame trick like ‘oh no, we can’t afford free year’s tertiary cos of the nuclear war’ or sutin.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:26am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Don’t forget zero youth suicide
        
        Agreed if the media was useful they would publish as update every week during a Govts term
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:29am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Heh, this is NZ, that`s the natural order of things here.
    2 steps forward under a National govt, 3 steps back under Labour, basically National are just the clean-up crew after Labour shit all over the place.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:40am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Other way around.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:23am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Muttonbird – apt name. Describes his brain and his sexual preference. Now if you argued coherently, without stooping to pathetic name calling and insults, I wouldn’t lower myself to the same level. But someone has to. Now go and find a good looking ewe…..
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:46am
      - cmm
        
        Muttonhead: You are thinking of Lenin’s New Economic Plan. As he put it: one step back to take two forward.
        
        The bastard managed to kill millions of people.
        
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        September 16, 2017 2:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        You just did, ROL!
        
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        September 16, 2017 2:55pm
  - GoVege
    
    Stop panicking, Manolo!
    We’ve had socialist governments and we survived.
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:00pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Lol the Roy Morgan webpage just crashed!
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:28am
  - ztev
    
    Doesnt matter.
    
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_New_Zealand_general_election,_2017
    
    Three polls in a row which show the Tv3/Newshub result of national on 47% was a rogue poll.
    
    Horizon is out too which shows ACT on 2 , I supposed ACT paid for that one as Ive never heard of Horizon research doing national polls
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/horizon-poll-nats-labour-neck-and-neck-act-two-mps-ck-207774
    
    ACT is still half of TOP- money wins again!!
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:17am
    - Southern Raider
      
      I think the Act result may be pleasantly surprising on Election Day
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:31am
      - mikenmild
        
        Yes, Dorothy.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:11am
- Happychappy
  
  84.6k have voted on the stuff poll with National leading Labour 45% to 36% surprising.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:47am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    But the other parties are all out of kilter. Does not make sense TOP too high, NZ1 too low, Greens too high. Act about right. But then it’s over 84K
    
    If it’s accurate we have a Lab Green TOP circle jerk. Nat + NZ + Act not enough on those figures. although its close. Comments are interesting in terms of up and down ticks. That’ s more hopeful.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:07am
  - Piniwi
    
    Stuff poll seems to have disappeared now? Bugger got a new IP address too for Martin/Martyn type vote.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:20pm
- GazzaW
  
  When’s the next real poll? Roy Morgan is conducted over a ten day period which is as useful as a chocolate teapot this close to the election.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:58am
oldpark

THE mad dog ideology of a few “commie socialists” and a “Captains Call” can destroy the lifestyle and aspirations of a nation,in this instance New Zealand.
If “common sense” on who to vote for misses out. Dont Blame me. I’M voting National Two Ticks Blue.
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September 16, 2017 8:07am
- Dave Mann
  
  So am I.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I already did.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:56am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Me too. (don’t misconstrue )
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:52am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:59am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:21am
rightoverlabour

something seriously wrong with that stuff poll

Nat 45
Lab 37
Green 8 ?
NZ1st 3 ?
TOP 6 ?
Act 1
supposedly 80k votes.
Nz 1st possibly too many geriatrics without computers. Greens, maybe a swing back from Jacindamania? TOP — wankers who try and vote twice?

Other ideas?
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September 16, 2017 8:08am
- MrTips
  
  Actually, I’ve heard a few oldies are disenchanted with his Winstoness over the double-pension thing and seem to like TOP. I don;t know why as Morgan is all about culling old folk with health rationing and euthanasia.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:21am
  - brett68
    
    Yeah, my partner informs me that TOP is quite popular with the oldies, I’m struggling with it a bit, but it’s very rare that she’s wrong.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:55am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Don’t have a problem with that. If TOP gets 4.9% and drags Winnie down to the same that will be good. As long as the Nats get 47.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:58am
      - ztev
        
        TOP will be getting roughly 2X that of ACT
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:18am
      - Southern Raider
        
        And the Greens get 4.9% as well
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:32am
    - Gabby
      
      Gareth’s going to get the cats out of their flowerbeds.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:34am
      - Ross12
        
        I’ll be happy if he does !!
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:43am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s Seemore Coq Mr Tits.
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:21am
- Dave Mann
  
  I spent my early working life in the 60s in New Zealand’s first market research company, and later with another well known one, so I know something about this.
  
  Any ‘self-inclusion’ survey, where respondents choose to join in ratter than being randomly selected, is virtually useless. There are so many reasons why it can be skewed (think your own example of elderly NZF supporters) and probably the main one is the probable mass hijacking by interest groups from (in this case) a political party.
  
  The high cost of proper polling makes these fake surveys very attractive, of course, just as Facebook and other social media ‘likes’ have taken over from rational thought. This is the world we live in.
  
  If my (excellent) analysis sounds like a curmudgeonly old fart who longs for the good old days, maybe that’s because I’m a curmudgeonly old fart who longs for the good old days, but I couldn’t possibly be the judge of that. You’d have to measure the uptick/downtick ratio of this comment to know the real truth…. 😀
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:46am
  - Inandout
    
    First market research..Paul the owner?
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:02am
    - Dave Mann
      
      No. RMS on Lambton Quay.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:44am
  - rangitoto
    
    The flaw in your reasoning is that the actual election is a self inclusion survey.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:07am
    - ztev
      
      Well yes it is, but with the election having 70% or so of the eligible population ‘self including’ its lot better than one which is 0.0001%
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:23am
      - Dave Mann
        
        No actually. The ‘level of confidence’ doesn’t depend on the ‘size of the universe’ (to use statistical terminology). The level of confidence can be calculated using a formula (God I’ve forgotten it…. long time ago!) based on the size of the sample. What’s more, the ‘margin of error’ statistically increases the closer to 50% the result is. Thus, we can be statistically more confident that say, a 3% result/answer is correct than 49%. The level of confidence is calculated on the sample size and the ‘universe’ (or, population or consumer base size, whatever) is largely irrelevant.
        
        I laugh when I hear people talking about the ‘margin of error’ because usually they’re using a statistical term about which they know nothing.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:57am
    - Dave Mann
      
      That’s very astute of you but it’s not actually a flaw in my reasoning. Later in Australia I helped to design political polling projects and we considered that very same point. The correction for this is to view the results of multiple polls which have used the same sampling method (and question wording) and then compare the differences.
      
      In Australia of course it was illegal not to vote, so that gave us (unmeasurably) higher confidence in the results…. but the same self inclusion bias would logically apply to the consumer’s decision whether or not to buy baked beans and then to their subsequent choice of brand. Some things aren’t fully measurable…. like life…. lol
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:39am
      - Piniwi
        
        But Vance Packard explained why when you reach out you choose a certain soap over others.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Dave Mann: “Any ‘self-inclusion’ survey, where respondents choose to join in ratter than being randomly selected, is virtually useless”
    
    It really depends on what you’re measuring.
    
    Remember that actual voting is also a “self-inclusion” exercise since you have to get off your bum and walk down to the voting station.
    
    I suspect that the stuff numbers might be a bit out os whack at the low end, but the top end (Nat vs Labour) has been very static from about 26k votes all the way to 87k votes. That suggests we have not seen huge blocks of people turning up in response to online campaining etc.
    
    It will be interesting to see how well this ends up.
    
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    September 16, 2017 2:29pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But did you see there party vote stats cmm. 48.5% National 28.5% Labour.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:28pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Most Geriatrics have moved on from Winston the really old have died and those still alive, well the ones I know wouldn’t vote for him, they still have their marbles. I am a new young old age pensioner, yes I have a computer, yes I vote and yes I have seen Winston through the years.
  Anyone with half a brain would never vote for Winston.
  Computers in the home etc., have been around for a long time now, 30 odd years (approx.), so the new 65 year olds were only 35 and the 80 year olds were 50, so I think they might have upskilled.
  We also can read, write and do arithmetic. We know about promises from politicians, you take some with a grain of salt and do it for the bigger picture however the salt labour wants us to swallow is bigger than a pinch and incredibly unpleasant and leaves a foul aftertaste that continues for years.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:53am
Manolo

The mole speaks:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-condemns-11176153
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September 16, 2017 8:09am
Manolo

Isn’t the religion of peace a wonderful thing?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4470415/parsons-green-terror-bombing-station-suspect-police-isis-latest-theresa-may

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the explosion on a packed rush-hour London tube train today that injured 29 – as cops said they hunting multiple attackers.
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September 16, 2017 8:10am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Seems the mohammedans are changing terror tactics. IEDs instead of suicide bombers.
  
  I guess that way, you don’t dispatch foot soldiers to Allah for every hit job on whities, and as long as not caught can continue applying IEDs against our White homeland populations forever.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:36am
DifferentPerspective

Socialists – inconvenient truth

The same Bernie Sanders who is sponsoring a ‘medicare for all’ bill, said in 1989 that
“a medicare bill for all would bankrupt the nation”.

Only two plausible explanations:
a) Bernie is totally senile
or
b) Bernie wants to bankrupt the nation

Bernie isn’t drooling this is just classic leftist Cloward-Piven strategy – just like Jacinda’s approach to ramping up the freebies and taxing the productive
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September 16, 2017 8:12am
- Disaster Area
  
  Universal healthcare. What an outrageous concept in the 21st century.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:24am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    An unsustainable welfare system. What a great socialist achievement for the 21st century.
    
    The problem with socialists, is they always run out of other people’s money!
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:32am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Grown-ups being expected to look after themselves and contribute to society. What an outrageous concept in the 21st century.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    In the 21st century west when perhaps a majority of the health issues are self inflicted through eating crap and not exercising then the concept of a careful productive minority looking after a feckless, useless majority is outrageous ……and unsustainable.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:54am
  - GoVege
    
    Yes…it’s about time we means-tested the pension.
    It was never meant for wealthy older people…bunch of entitled bludgers.
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:57pm
- Gabby
  
  c) Bernie did a Jawsie.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:09am
Keeping Stock

John Armstrong won’t be getting an invite to Jacinda’s Christmas party. This story is front and centre on the Herald Website:

Like the sands through the hourglass – it has taken just four short weeks for Jacinda Ardern’s “campaign of our lives” to become more akin to the The Days of Our Lives.

Labour’s Wonder Woman has found herself cast in a long-running soap opera – but not as a super hero.

The National Party-scripted plot never varies from one election to the next, but the show never fails to draw big ratings.

Once again, Labour has been tripped up over tax policy. The only difference this time is that the major Opposition party has been even more helpful by having a whole range of new taxes in its manifesto.

The puzzle is why alarm bells did not ring at Labour’s headquarters given the scale of the free gift.

But maybe everyone was too consumed with playing the equivalent of Russian roulette by trying to sneak a capital gains tax past voters without them noticing.

The tax was the early product of Ardern’s Brave New World – a world where she intends demonstrating Labour can make the hard decisions.

It took precious little time for Labour to back off the idea as fast as decency allowed. “Let’s do this” became “Let’s not do that”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922858

Boom!
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- mikenmild
  
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  But, but, according to Kiwibloggers, the Herald is in the tank for Labour (although journalists would secretly prefer outright communists).
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Even journalists, trained and professional, like to back WINNERS Mike
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:47am
  - jcuk
    
    Just like Standardistas think it is a DEN OF CAPITALISTIC whatever 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:51am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “the Herald is in the tank for Labour”
    
    There was an article count a while back showing a big negative bias against National Government.
    
    “(although journalists would secretly prefer outright communists)”
    
    Only too true when you see that your average “journalist” these days is a white female 20 something with a BA in Media, Phaggotry and Communications Studies”.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:02am
    - VicParking
      
      They are just covering their arses, nothing more nothing less. Could be tight so they need an article or two to quote to say “We told you so”
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:55am
- Paulus
  
  I hope you are right but am not sure.
  Some very recent opinion poll has given figures from their polls that the vote from woman to Cinderella is over 65%.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:40am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Another clear illustration why the question of voting rights for females needs to be back on the discussion table.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:10am
    - waikatogirl
      
      ? ? ? ? ?
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:12am
    - Lance
      
      Under normal circumstances one would suspect parody..
      But with Jizzy.. probably not
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:39am
- JibberJabber
  
  JA, a stopped clock and all that.
  Even the most advanced sufferers of dementia have moments of clarity.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:42am
- Duxton
  
  He is probably stoned or drunk again.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:07am
- Muttonbird
  
  Yesterday’s old man.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    There you go Muttonbird; playing the man again…
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:32am
- KevOB
  
  …trying to sneak a capital gains tax past voters without them noticing.
  
  One has to also watch the legislative process. Tax Bills are too complex for most MP’s to understand (and law drafters) and the explanatory notes may not agree precisely with the Bill. I have seen hidden changes pass.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:15am
- Piniwi
  
  Poor old bugger. KS. Think he is learning to dance belatedly so is Red on the left foot and Blue on the right foot. Old habits die hard so he keeps falling over his left foot. Not a good thing as those old bones are easy to break but hard to heal.
  He so much like the current range of NZ wine that has a shelf life of 1 month. But he does keep trying.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:35pm
MrTips

Quaeritur:

1. RMorgan has the main parties equal and the Greens on 9% (bollox to the last one). Given RMorgan is usually “nice” to the left wing does this mean its all on?
2. If commentors like ztev are so cock a hoop about CB, why wouldn’t Labour release their own UMR polls?
3. Has Cindy ever chipped her teeth drinking river water from a glass?
4. Just how entitled and shrill is Robbo? You must apologise! You’re telling lies!! Grow up….
5. Win or lose, how long before Robbo rolls Jacinda? I give it less than 3 months.
6. How much is RedRadio TV REALLY going to cost?
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September 16, 2017 8:13am
- pdm
  
  `3. Has Cindy ever chipped her teeth drinking river water from a glass?’
  
  No – because she doesn’t turn up to photo opportunities on river banks!!
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Too many health and safety issues surrounding the hundred school children in red jumpers that would have needed to be bused in
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:49am
  - VicParking
    
    And at schools she drinks through a straw.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:57am
- ztev
  
  “CB, why wouldn’t Labour release their own UMR polls?”
  
  Why isnt National releasing its own Curia polls ?
  
  The reality is Newshub was totally wrong ( National 47%) swith a rogue poll.
  
  Colmar Brunton has had 3 in a row in the low 40s for labour.
  This is whats getting Nationals/Curia all concerned
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I have it on good authority that it wasn’t the 3Newspoll that scared Labour into its tax gymnastics; it was Labour’s own UMR poll, which showed the tide had turned very quickly.
    
    And we all know that no politician is more poll-driven than the MP for Wellington Central…
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:36am
lastmanstanding

IMHO this election is gonna be all about the Yoof vote. If the Yoof get out in big numbers then its Lab/Green. If not Nat/NZF/ACT.

As Winston Churchill said if your not a socialist at 20 you dont have a heart and if your not a conservative at 40 you dont have a brain.
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September 16, 2017 8:14am
- mikenmild
  
  Great man, Churchill. Always quotable:
  
  “I believe in the ultimate partition of China — I mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph.”
  
  “The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks constitutes a national and race danger which is impossible to exaggerate.”
  
  “I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race.”
  
  “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”
  
  “It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer of the type well-known in the East, now posing as a fakir, striding half naked up the steps of the Viceregal palace to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King-Emperor.”
  
  “I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
  
  Top guy.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:28am
  - MrTips
    
    Takes a while to put the mask on in the morning doesn’t it mm?
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:32am
    - mikenmild
      
      Churchill worship always make me chuckle.
      It’s like the Bible – one can always find a quote that means to opposite of some other statement.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:50am
  - Simon
    
    The Fabians were keen on eugenics. It started from the left. Terrible stuff. For eg directly lead to the state forcibly breaking up Aboriginal families in early to
    middle the 20 th century
    
    Look up the quotes against Commies great stuff.
    
    Churchill vs Germany 1940 of course but almost unrecognised the west helping democracy against the commies in the 1919 during Russian civil war.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    The Gandhi one is one of my favourites.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:58am
    - mikenmild
      
      Then you would love Churchill’s other call:
      “If food is scarce, why isn’t Gandhi dead yet?”
      All class, making jokes about the famine caused by the British government.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:15am
- MrTips
  
  Well considering record numbers of 18-24yr olds aren’t enrolled and don’t care (my 18 yr old and all his friends cases in point) …..take from that what you will
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:30am
  - sam green
    
    Yep – nothing.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:34am
  - Gabby
    
    They need a good kick up the arse. Why’ve you raised a milksop Mr Tits.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:19am
- Muttonbird
  
  Nope. Women will be the deciding factor.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:31am
  - stigie
    
    Bit boring at the Stranded this morning Muttonhead..?
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Proves how debasing universalism is.
    
    Vote on looks/gender not policy.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:59am
- Ross12
  
  But as pointed out yesterday, lastmanstanding the yoof have to remember to enrol first
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/election-2017/339434/fewer-young-people-enrolled-than-2014
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:52am
  - GoVege
    
    Ah. ..but didn’t you hear the amazing news?
    The Yoof can enroll and vote AT THE SAME TIME!
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:51pm
- KevOB
  
  A good argument for only letting the older vote.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:18am
  - GoVege
    
    Of course we should only let the older vote…they’ve had the time and opportunity to better themselves.
    The Yoof can starve while the olders accumulate more riches for their cushy extended retirements.
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:54pm
oldpark

Who seized the dogs on Winston Peters,and leaked personal information on his super. Rumours have been doing the rounds The Green Party.They couldnt see why their joint leader Materialistic Turei benefit crook, and fraudster should be the only one caught cheating.
Difference was Winston was not cheating. But for the mafia type benefit fraud Greens. Why let the truth get in the way of a chance for UTU Against the RT Honorable Winston Peters.
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September 16, 2017 8:14am
- Disaster Area
  
  So Winston didn’t realise that he was getting too much superannuation?
  
  Either he didn’t fill the forms in properly or he didn’t read the letters from WINZ.
  Either way, that lack of attention to detail should rule him out of Government.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Couldn’t see through the smoke of his now defunct Cigarettes when signing the papers.
    Winston is taking us for fools in this matter
    – we are not, as very many of us have signed official papers after reading them, and agreeing that the facts are true.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:44am
  - pejhay
    
    All bluster, “I was a Treasurer”. A bit like not editing the NZ1 website for three years so a $3b food GST relief all of a sudden becomes $6-700m. Thanks Guyon, well spotted.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:47am
  - wiseowl
    
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    I am getting pissed off with people who keep prattling on about this super business.
    It was private information you dork and if you haven’t read the facts then stop misrepresenting the story.
    On NZ First .
    If National get back unchallenged they will carry on with mass immigration which is having massive consequences in many areas of our economy let alone changing the makeup of this once great land and if that is not bad enough they will hand over the country to control by iwi.
    There is NO fucking partnership we are all New Zealanders and their quest for power alone is an absolute disgrace.
    To keep the real communists out National need someone to check their arrogance and lack of respect for real New Zealand .I don’t think of Winston but I do think of middle New Zealand who have been shafted by immigration and corporates and are not being represented.
    National supporters should be embracing that fact and not become obsessed with one man.
    MMP is the enemy.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:55am
  - Viking2
    
    don’t get letters from WINZ. Never have.
    
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    September 16, 2017 7:00pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  No doubt the Greens would have a strong motive but where would they have got the info from?
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    There are many left wing Greenies in the Public Service – so anywhere to get one over Peters.
    
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    September 16, 2017 8:45am
    - sam green
      
      How many? Do you work in the Public Service? How do you know this ‘fact’?
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:54am
      - Ross12
        
        For a start Wellington Central is a major Green support electorate.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:46am
  - Gabby
    
    I can’t believe Pullya could sit on something that long.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:23am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Interesting that a penalty was imposed on the overpayment.
  If it is the Department’s fault the do not impose a penalty.
  So it begs the question whose fault was it that the form was incorrectly filled out.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    We do not know if their was a penalty.
    
    I can get a penalty if I make an honest mistake on my tax. That certainly does not mean I committed a criminal offense.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:32am
    - Piniwi
      
      No CB. It was the old geezer who said he repaid the TOTAL sum with penalties and interest. An unequivocal admission it was client error not WINZ. He naturally said the form had been changed. That is bullshit. It has been moved to the bottom of his pile now.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:48pm
artemisia

We’ve had Taxinda. We now have Recinda.
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September 16, 2017 8:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  Recinda Hardastern
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:45am
DifferentPerspective

Will the next interview with Jacinda be interrupted by a panda clip too

More great quality unbiased journalism from that paragon of fake news bias – MSNBC. Rachel Maddow interrupts her ‘puff piece’ interview with Crooked Hillary to:
– show footage of the US ambassodor being murdered in Benghazi? Nope
– show footage of Hillary deleting thousands of emails? Nope
– show footage of a drunk raving Hillary on election night after finding out Trump won? Nope

The interview was interrupted to try to associate Hillary with the adorable cuteness of a baby panda sneezing!

FFS!
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September 16, 2017 8:18am
KevOB

No tax increase–not!

Tax = reduced income = –
Legislated increased income = +

Reduced legislated income = income x reduction = – income

Tax.
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September 16, 2017 8:20am
EAD_TWO

The past few weeks (in addition to the usual terror attacks) we’ve seen British newspapers tell it’s readers how to respond to acid attacks, Swedish concert goers issued with wristbands telling would be attackers that they dont want raped. Now we have Negroes lynching 5 year old white boys for entertainment in rap videos on YouTube:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4881670/Rapper-sparks-outrage-video-showing-LYNCH-boy.html

As every single government of every single White Christian country worldwide (but not a single other country anywhere), backed by relentless propoganda from the MSM, pursue deliberate policies that will ensure that Whites will be despised minorities in less than 2 generations, the future is going to be interesting to say the least ??
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September 16, 2017 8:23am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  To all the downtickers – get ready to apologise to your kids and your grandkids when the say to you….
  
  “WTF were your generation thinking, bringing in all these muslims when you didn’t have to?”
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:39am
  - Digmen1
    
    Myanmar has the right idea.
    400,000 gone and only 600,000 to go.
    
    I don’t see many muslim countries saying, yes please come here!
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:12am
    - sam green
      
      So you support genocide then Digmen1?
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:24am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Stow your hysteria Sammy, Che, Fidel, Josef, Mao et al , all your socialist heros had no qualms in shifting their ideological “enemies” off this mortal coil.
        
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        September 16, 2017 9:41am
      - sam green
        
        Not my heroes.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:16am
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s all right then Jibber. If commies were into genocide then it’s okay for the Burmese military to try it too?
        People like you and Digimen are quite simply disgusting human beings.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:18am
      - Digmen1
        
        Genocide is killing a whole race, like Hitler and the Turks did.
        
        I am just advocating moving a group from one area where they are not wanted to another.
        
        It was done in Greece/Turkey in the 1920’s and in India/Pakistan in 1947.
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:40am
      - sam green
        
        They haven’t “moved” them digiman1 – they’ve slaughtered them.
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:01am
      - JibberJabber
        
        You can stow your hypocrisy also MM, you`d have all the “capitalists ” lined up and shot like your Standardista buddies want.
        Your ignorance of how things work in Asia is showing, good luck with trying to change it.
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:18am
      - sam green
        
        Seriously Digaman1 – millions of people died during the partition of India. People were slaughtered.
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:44am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        So you support blowing up little girls leaving a pop concert then sam green?
        
        So you support shooting disabled people at an Xmas party then sam green?
        
        So you support treating women as second class human beings then sam green?
        
        So you support throwing acid at people then sam green?
        
        So you support killing homosexuals then sam green?
        
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        September 16, 2017 3:05pm
    - Gabby
      
      You know they’re going to fetch up here don’t you dicman. How’s that the right idea.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:25am
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “Myanmar has the right idea.”
      
      I wear the label “Islamaphobe” with pride, but no, they don’t.
      
      Mass murder and rape, especially of women and children, which is what the Myanmar military have been doing, is never justified. It is objectively wrong and evil in any circumstances.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:26am
      - Digmen1
        
        Where is your evidence of mass murder and rape.
        “especially of women”
        There may have been some.
        But how much is ‘Mass”
        10, 20, 100, 1000?
        
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        September 16, 2017 10:42am
    - Paulus
      
      Why then have people from Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and Iraq, in the name of ISIS, been shooting and killing in Myanmar ?
      Perhaps one should look at the proximate cause of this sad problem.
      They want to see Rohingya a radical Muslim state.
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:52pm
    - Piniwi
      
      They are merely sending them back from where they came from in the first place. Unfortunately some locals are a bit too enthusiastic not to say brutal. Mass mob hysteria will do that but there is no real facts coming out of Burma. They have a news blackout.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:54pm
  - howitis
    
    Yes and forget about bloody Te Reo in schools.
    It will be compulsory Arabic.
    
    Forget about TOW and stuff.
    Just memorise your Koran or no dinner.
    
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    September 16, 2017 1:04pm
KevOB

Will Winston hold the line?

If Her ‘Ighness Madam Che Taxinda gets power and attempts to pass legislation to rescind the legal budget increases for pensioners and others will Winston stop her?

He could tear up any agreement and go to the Governor General if the numbers were right.
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September 16, 2017 8:26am
Happychappy

A good read in the Herald on who and why he would vote for them from John Roughan.
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September 16, 2017 8:29am
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, great article. I read it in a cafe…don’t buy it. I was surprised today it is not all fluffy bunnies, princesses and over size teeth today
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:55pm
- Paulus
  
  Would not trust anything from Roughan – he sways with the wind.
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:54pm
oldpark

How many more flip flops will miss Ardern make between now and next Saturday. Likes to make strange noises like saying she makes a ‘Captains Call’.When i was in the Merchant Marine ,there was a song that went like this about the “Captain”,who liked plenty of Whisky.
Some of the crews one liners for the “Captain” was.
He wasn’t fit for shovelling **** the dirty rotten bugger.Of course i hasten to add ,not all “Captains” of NZ would qualify for such a salubrious type of identification.
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September 16, 2017 8:30am
- Gabby
  
  Thought you were a ‘merchant banker’ oldfart.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:27am
Chuck Bird

The fact is that Winston get higher than he polls as his older voter base votes. The Greens are to wasted on dope they want legalized.
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September 16, 2017 8:30am
Odakyu-sen

The $NZ is up +1.56% against the yen.
Currency traders are betting that there will not be a change in the NZ government, it seems…
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September 16, 2017 8:42am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Possibly covering their short buy after an earlier poll. Wouldn’t read too much into it.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:57am
Happychappy

So Winston has proof of someone high up in National leaked his details of his pension over payments and is going o the Sunday program on One tomorrow night to talk about it. Obviously the he has not been invited on any of the Political programs and has to rely on the Tax payers channel to try a get a hit to improve his pool figure from 6% to his imaginary 21% he was gloating about earlier in his campaign.
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September 16, 2017 8:44am
- fluffykiwi
  
  He best have a dry weekend then.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:00am
- lifesgood
  
  He doesn’t seem to realise nobody cares.
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:56pm
- Piniwi
  
  No Happychappy. Must be another Media party beat-up/slant you have been reading. He got a courtesy call from National as they extended their heads-up rule. They told him the Media party had a snitch so expect a call or a rush of calls. That is how he battered the little poofter Burr off when he called.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:04pm
sam green

Does Chris Bishop know this man?

https://nz.linkedin.com/in/nicholasjdown
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September 16, 2017 8:45am
- sam green
  
  Apparently Nick has gone Stateside for a ‘rest’.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    Sam did you collect all this information when visiting Tuscany over the last couple of days.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:08am
    - sam green
      
      Still here mate. Keeping my finger on the pulse. ? Moving further afield though. Was great!
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:18am
  - starboard
    
    Shame you don’t green sam..
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:31am
    - sam green
      
      Dementia kicking in?
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:37am
MrTips

NBR Horizon poll.
I personally think this a little light on the RW vote, but the outcome accurate. Damn near hung Parliament with the Grand-PooBah of UpHimself as King maker.
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/horizon-poll-nats-labour-neck-and-neck-act-two-mps-ck-207774
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September 16, 2017 8:47am
rightoverlabour

Had a discussion with a labour supporter who is a good friend. Unlike MM we could have reasonable discussion without trading insults. The tragedy of the situation is that I believe Jacinda and Bill could work well together. She has charisma and personality, he has the knowledge and the understanding of the economic issues that no one in Labour seems to grasp. And there are other good Labour politicians excluding the obvious idiots.
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September 16, 2017 8:48am
flipper

So far almost 32000 useless comments here from the idiotic milkybar.

When a dog u***ates against a lamp post he is not being a vandal; he is just being a milkbar.
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September 16, 2017 8:49am
- sam green
  
  That makes no sense.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:20am
  - mikenmild
    
    You have to put it into context.
    flipper is a senile old fuckwit. Good friend of Muldoon’s he tells us, though he is a bit shy about telling us whether they were drinking and rooting buddies.
    Muldoon was always good at attacking the person, but clearly had a bit more class about him than poor old second-rate flipper.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:21am
    - sam green
      
      Was Muldoon rooting flipper? Spill the beans….
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:29am
- Gabby
  
  Keeping Smug wants to know why you’re such a big meanie frigger.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:32am
waikatogirl

Bill holding a tiny kitten yesterday was a great PR shot. Men who are kind to tiny cute animals are a winner, it shows they are caring and have a heart.

What was Cindy doing? She was sitting in a whitewater raft on land being tossed about a handful of helpers. That looked stupid, reminded me of the failed PR attempts by Don Brash walking the plank, etc

TWO TICKS BLUE!
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September 16, 2017 8:50am
- fluffykiwi
  
  So we can take it from that picture that Gareth Morgan and Top won’t be supporting Bill any time soon. His picture op would have shown Gareth strangling the kitten.
  
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  September 16, 2017 8:59am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:24am
  - ztev
    
    Three in a row
    Time to gooooo
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:38am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:07am
- kowtow
  
  It looked ridiculous.
  
  All those blokes pretending to be cuddly for the cameras.
  
  Pathetic pandering pussies.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:05am
  - waikatogirl
    
    National supports the numerous cat owners / animal lovers in NZ. You’re obviously not their target market for cute PR shots kowtow. ?
    
    TWO TICKS BLUE!
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:25am
    - kowtow
      
      Not to worry . I’ll be voting for the least worse option on the ballot paper…..
      …doesn’t mean I won’t call ’em dick ‘eds for being dick ‘eds.
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:31am
    - KevOB
      
      ☑️☑️
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:05pm
- mikenmild
  
  Chris Bishop has a Facebook post of him rescuing a kitten, so he would probably make a good finance minister in the next term.
  I’m a bit worried about Steven Joyce though,. Has he proven his animal welfare credential to the point where he can really be entrusted with the nation’s finance?
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:23am
  - Gabby
    
    Jawsie has found a hole full of kittens. There’s billions of them. Dollars, not kittens. Pretty full.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Was’nt that Steven bolting the dog in Invercargill?
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:05am
- Gabby
  
  TULIXPU!
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:33am
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    SHETAXU
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:03am
    - Gabby
      
      RANGIDU
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:42pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        DING DONG!
        
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        September 16, 2017 3:44pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Where are the little men in the white coats when you need them?
        They need to take him away.
        
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        September 16, 2017 4:05pm
Herodotus

Bill Horncastle, a major builder has just announced his intentions to exit the residential building industry immediately.
So who will build all the houses that we need to keep up with Auckland needs ? remember only 7,200 houses were completed in the last year, and that was in an environment when many aspects of the industry are under a severe capacity strain.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1709/S00468/horncastle-downsizes-as-retirement-looms.htm
Horncastle Homes is taking a new business direction and exiting the volume home building business in both Auckland and Christchurch.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1709/S00468/horncastle-downsizes-as-retirement-looms.htm
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/horncastle-shuts-down-owner-eyes-retirement-vy-207731
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September 16, 2017 8:53am
- KevOB
  
  Tony Alexander warned that the construction industry are hunkering down. Bankers are aware of the tightening underway.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    There are already too many houses under construction in Auckland. When they eventually get sold it will be at prices 20% below the recent market.
    Many builders and associated trades are going to get burnt.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:36am
- ztev
  
  Unless Horncastle was able to build 100s houses with his own hands, someone will take on all the staff of managers and foremen, designers etc.
  All the rest would be subbies anyway, who continue with other companies.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:41am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Bill financed all most all of his builds so it’s not that simple to say someone will step into the void he left.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:49am
  - Herodotus
    
    To quote Ygritte
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkyy57iMaB0
    “you know nothing…”
    Horncastle built 350 houses, build time 6 months (excludes terrace house construction which is excess of a year and up to 3 years) at any given time in a year 175 houses are on the go from start to completion so average 50% complete at any given time, cost to build $400k so need to finance $35m + cost of land.
    Most builders are in a tight cash flow situation, so how will they extend their funding ? and what suppliers are willing to increase credit lines ?
    ps A single gang can build about 6 houses a year to build 8 + you need to double your chippie gang, not easy currently to find staff within the industry.
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:19am
    - KevOB
      
      This is what Tony Alexander is warning about.
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:06pm
- MCos
  
  The houses may be required, but if they’re too expensive for the people who need them and investors don’t see a buck to be made because prices have stopped going up, who is going to buy them?
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Happening in Tauranga – house building been slowing for some months now as builders unsure as to selling them, despite many very well priced and skilled jobs in abundance.
    But not qualified chippies or builders.
    I got a plumber and tiler recently – impossible six months ago.
    Doesn’t appear who is in power there comes a time when breathing space takes place.
    Many tradesmen have done very well, so time for time for holiday in Fiji with the family, it appears from what I hear.
    
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    September 16, 2017 2:03pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Everything is on hold until after the election. Waiting to see who is holding power before making any business decisions.
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:46pm
- Gabby
  
  He may have noticed that the big expensive houses that make money for builders are a bit pricy for local punters.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:38am
Scorpion

RE LONDON

WHAT NATIONAL AND LABOUR

WILL IMPORT TO NZ

TO DO THE SAME THING
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September 16, 2017 9:08am
Digmen1

National should have banned early voting.

They should also have brought their tax cuts in on 1 September, so people could have seen what they would loose.

Most immigrants I know are hard working and they do not like to see their taxes going to kiwi bludgers

Two ticks blue
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September 16, 2017 9:16am
- KevOB
  
  There is no way that tax changes could have been so soon.
  
  PAYE runs according to defined legislated scheduler tables . Most payrolls are computerised and software companies throughout NZ would have had to redo their work and installations.
  
  A further problem is the tax rates are on the annual income not levied on fractions of a year. Having changes match the income year is to be preferred.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:32am
  - ztev
    
    Rubbish. 3 months should be plenty of time to change a few ‘tables ‘in computer programs and print new IRD paper schedules
    
    These sort of things are designed as computer modules to be changed regularly anyway.
    A computer program doesnt care if it was changed every month or once a year
    
    Remember the GST increase was on 1 OCT 2010, that didnt wait till a new tax year.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:47am
    - KevOB
      
      I’ve had nearly 60 years of dealing with practical tax law, assessment, collection, systems, administration, computerisation, design , software, implementation and accounting.
      
      This is NZ wide change required. Businesses and government are not that flexible. Not all computer software is ideal.
      
      The first of October is ½ way through the income tax year so mixed rates across the total. That caused some problems with provisional tax which for many is paid in 3 installments.
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:22pm
  - howitis
    
    Could have made it 1 Oct 2017 so that it was tantalisingly one week away from polling day.
    Nats could have pointed out .. vote Labour and your $1000 a year tax cut from NEXT Week is goneburger.
    
    It is likely a Govt is not formed in one week let alone time to cancel a tax cut in a few days time.
    This would be difficult for tax and spend commies to take back the lollies. Start off as the nasties that they are!
    
    This would have been an excellent ploy by Nats but likely in May they through they had this in the bag.
    Amazing that they have not heard …a week is a long time in politics.
    This is the price Nats pay for continually kicking the can down the road.
    
    The announcement was 4 months ago..plenty of time to enact on payroll software rate tables esp as with online payroll it can be done once centrally and not have to be shipped out on disks like 20 years ago.
    Muldoon used to make a lot of cost changes 1 Oct so the CPI results came out in January when people cared less. Pass me another Steinie.
    
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    September 16, 2017 1:25pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:48am
  - rangitoto
    
    Shetaxu
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:04am
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      September 16, 2017 1:38pm
fluffykiwi

I see over at WO Mr Slater is really pushing the “who leaked” Winnie’s information. Winnie looking for relevance on the Sunday program (free advertising).
Typical Winnie “I had a phone call from someone high up in National”. If this is fact he would have signed the legal papers they would have been served on the appropriate person, and justice would be done one way or the other.
This is Winnie bluster looking for relevance and favour, he is worried. He said he knew what was in the Texts, what else does Winnie tell us he knows but doesn’t really.
This is WO doing a Winnie to be relevant as well. I mean who cares. Lots of things get gossiped about. Once more than one person knows something it will become public knowledge. A lowly staff member who happened to hear, someone who saw Winnie at WINZ and had a “look” at something they shouldn’t have. Seriously Winnie get over it and move on. He said she said whatever.
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September 16, 2017 9:16am
- Happychappy
  
  He can’t because he has told a porky and has to tell more porkies to get through the election and hopefully survived with enough votes to stay in Parliament. NZ First will be dead and buried if the truth gets out.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:34am
- KevOB
  
  There are too many journos with large ears in the Parliamentary precincts. They do not need direct feeding: overhearing a few key words is sufficient, even their thinking they have overheard can do. A story can be a teaser for more.
  
  I doubt if there was a leak but a drop or two on the floor. A sniff was all it took.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:40am
  - RF
    
    Pillow talk is my favourite source.
    
    In an unguarded moment even the most secret information can slip out.
    
    I have heard of one media lass with a couple of good scalps who is a honey pot.
    
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    September 16, 2017 7:59pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I still suspect Peters or someone in NZF leaked the information because Jacinda had sucked all the oxygen out of his campaign.
  
  Speaking of campaigns, has anyone seen or heard from Shane Jones, or is he content to be a List MP yet again?
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Probably laid up in a motel somewhere choking the turkey.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:07am
- KevOB
  
  Highly possible: a politically motivated staffer picks up a few key words and contacts a journo mate. The bare story is away waiting to be flushed out.
  
  Never speak to a journo if you don’t expect them to invent a story. They are the writers not you.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:48am
- wiseowl
  
  Fliffy
  If you listened very carefully when this information was leaked.That means using those things on the side of your head .
  Ears.
  You would have heard Mr Soper say where the information came from.I have never heard Soper so adamant and he was clear and unequivical.
  Private information is private and it was obvious this leak was carried out to undermine Winston.
  Underhand tactics and it will be interesting to see where this ends up.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:06am
  - Happychappy
    
    Where is the proof of the accusations hearsay is rumour and why has Peters waited until this week to start crying over it wasn’t me. The guy needs votes so he is crying wolf and he knows like the Bill English emails he can’t prove it so smear instead.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:36am
    - lifesgood
      
      Winston claims he knows who leaked it so for god’s sake why doesn’t he come out and say it? What is he scared of? If it’s the truth he can’t be sued, but, then again, if it was him, well of course he won’t say it.
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:02pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Simple Happychappy. In the house he can say a lot more but outside the rules are different and the same for us all. He has done himself no good with much of his traditional base. The older folk are frugal by necessity and don’t like those that abuse the system.
      
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      September 16, 2017 9:22pm
  - RF
    
    Yep both Smalley and Soper are telling everyone that National leaked the information. For their sake I hope they are correct otherwise it could get expensive for them.
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:30pm
sooty

Mrs Sooty got a automated phone recording from Her Highness Jacinda. She was sorry that she could no sprinkell the stardust personally, so the wife hung up.
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September 16, 2017 9:21am
- ztev
  
  So your Missus is not for turning ?
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:49am
- Gabby
  
  Glad she wasn’t a sooky about it and took it on the chin.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:51am
- RF
  
  That’s what bloody Mallard does. His auto calls drive me mad….
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now and again I travel overseas.
If I am stuck in an airport or waiting for my companion(s) to wake up/stop shopping….. I might look at KB to see what’s happening….but I’m most unlikely to be commenting on the blog for hours.

Yesterday Sam Green told us he was in Tuscany….I can only conclude that the night life there is dull, dull, dull.
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September 16, 2017 9:32am
- sam green
  
  Ah Maggy. We’ve had a long long day and lying here in a fantastic hotel watching a thunderstorm over the duomo in Siena. I’m very interested in the politics of my country however so feel ok to be connected and commenting. Sorry you feel that seething right wing envy when a leftie challenges you from the place you feel you should be.
  
  Just left a fantastic location with friends sharing generosity and bonhomie and now having some reflective time.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:45am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Vafanculo cazzo. Sono Italiano . And I don’t like that fact that you are polluting my home district.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:53am
    - sam green
      
      Charmer – then get out of my country.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:01am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      And yet here you are polluting ours.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:27am
    - sam green
      
      Strangely rightoverlabour, your compatriots have been welcoming and gracious. We have shared some agriturismo ideas, family values, and made great friends. They would be ashamed I imagine of your disaffection and disparagement for the people in whose country you reside.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:36am
      - lifesgood
        
        So the bitter, envious, jealous lefty really has no cause to be. He’s just a rich prick himself….must be if he can afford a trip to Tuscany. Lol…that’s made my day.
        
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        September 16, 2017 1:04pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      On reflection, this was a stupid comment. I retract and apologise. I’ll try to stick to arguing the point rather than moronic, personal attacks.
      If you enjoy good red wine make sure you go to the Chiani Classico “Triangle”, especially Radda.
      
      https://www.summerinitaly.com/guide/chianti-in-tuscany
      
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      September 16, 2017 12:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Sorry you feel that seething right wing envy when a leftie challenges you from the place you feel you should be.
    
    I dropped onto the outermost edge of Europe once… couldn’t wait to get back to Asia-Pacifica.
    
    Buon viaggio
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:58am
    - sam green
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:03am
- Duxton
  
  Silly me! When Sam Green said he was in Tuscany, I assumed he was referring to a men’s sauna somewhere.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:55am
  - sam green
    
    Silly you. How was it anyway?
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:03am
Fisiani

In 168 hours Election Day begins but you can vote already and record numbers have done so. Will the advance votes reflect the same proportions as those on 23rd? I don’t think so. I suspect they are people determined to cast a vote and therefore more likely to be National voters. Turnout is crucial to the percentages of votes. Advance voting increases turnout for National.
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September 16, 2017 9:36am
- ztev
  
  Silly man . The last election the early voters were VERY ALIKE the final result. As you will find at 8Pm election day
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:51am
Nukuleka

To change the narrative just slightly.

I have taken the offer of a free 6 week subscription to The Press so that I can stock up on paper to get the log burner going. This morning as I was lighting the fire I noticed a headline in this morning’s unread Press that reads ‘Emma Thompson calls on Suu Kyi to act’. No bull. The lead article in The Press’s International World news section contains the utterings of an actress as the most important news of the day. Crikey. No wonder wonderwoman Jacinderella can be flavour of the media month.
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September 16, 2017 9:46am
- ztev
  
  Sure beats the tired and worn out exhortations of Bill who has been an MP ~~from Southland~~living in Wellington for the last 25 years
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:53am
Duxton

(Reposted, with minor editing, from WOBF)

More polls, seemingly reinforcing the media’s ‘neck and neck’ narrative. Despite this, I am reasonably comfortable about the likelihood of a national victory next week. A couple of points:

1. I’m far from convinced that the polling companies aren’t screwing the scrum on behalf of their clients, by over-surveying the Left’s demographics.

2. With BREXIT and the Trump election, the difference between voters’ real intentions (ie, actual voting) vs stated intentions (ie, as stated to pollsters) decisively favoured the Right. I think we will see the same here.

Despite the media narrative about how close it is, the polls I would trust the most would be National’s and Labour’s internal polling – particularly National’s, which has been accurate for the past three elections. While we obviously can’t see these polls, there are a few pointers that might indicate what they are saying: Labour’s tax backdown, Ardern’s and Robertson’s scratchiness, English’s seemingly relaxed demeanour, and the growing criticism of Labour from a previously fawning media.

I am picking that National will be comfortably ahead of Labour on the day (say, 4-5 points), and that a National-NZF coalition will be only realistic option.
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September 16, 2017 9:52am
- rightoverlabour
  
  That’s my gut feeling after looking at stuff comments etc. I do hope you are right. I suspect the early voting favours Nats, as so many are pissed off with Labours Taxes and want to get their vote in quickly.
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:56am
  - ztev
    
    Why dont you stick your own head up your arse, you will get a far better idea of whats happening…oh too late
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:05am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Great reply – not. Now how about demolishing the logic in my argument. You know, like making an intelligent observation, or is that impossible? Your move.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:16am
      - sam green
        
        There is no logic in your ‘argument’. It’s an opinion – not an argument.
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:10am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “It’s an opinion – not an argument.”
        
        All arguments are opinions. What’s your point, other than he said something you don’t like?
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:14am
      - sam green
        
        The argument had no logic
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:28am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “The argument had no logic”
        
        From a certain pov it did.
        
        But “logic” like “rational” when it comes to anything other than mathematics is merely opinion.
        
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        September 16, 2017 11:32am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ sam green
        
        There is no logic in your ‘argument’. It’s an opinion – not an argument.
        
        …The argument had no logic
        
        Not so. Part of Duxton’s argument was an appeal to recent precedent (so that is an implied logical appeal to empiricism):
        
        …2. With BREXIT and the Trump election, the difference between voters’ real intentions (ie, actual voting) vs stated intentions (ie, as stated to pollsters) decisively favoured the Right. I think we will see the same here.
        
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        September 16, 2017 12:26pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You’re just the BEST advertisement for the Labour Party ztev, with your relentless positivity…
      
      (sarcasm alert)
      
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      September 16, 2017 1:12pm
      - sooty
        
        Angry Andys bestis best friend!
        
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        September 16, 2017 7:10pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right. The shower of NEW taxes likely motivated mature voters thinking “here we go again” having had a taste of RED before.
    
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    September 16, 2017 9:31pm
- ztev
  
  What a fool Slater is .
  He doesnt believe even the polls from reputable companies, but thinks he can read signs in ‘Ardern’s and Robertson’s scratchiness”! FFS- which say different
  Bill may be faking his confidence- but I doubt the people around him are
  
  NBR – Horizon research poll is in line with the regular ones – ACT a little bit higher- but doesnt have national in the lead
  Why would they ‘over sample’ certain demographics
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:01am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Ardern is backpedaling furiously on the tax stance.
    
    That is evidence enough of the panic in the Labour war room.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:14am
    - Gabby
      
      It’s pragmatic flexibility jizzymitts. Nats love that stuff.
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:00am
  - Duxton
    
    ztev
    
    Actually, the comments were mine, not Cameron Slater’s. If they were Cam’s, or someone else’s, I would have noted the fact.
    
    You see, I don’t believe in taking credit for, or benefitting from, others’ work. That is a bludging, soclialist trait.
    
    You know…..like the Morrinsville skank….the Melville thug…..the Tainui cousin-shagger…..the Miramar swiss-ball home demonstrator….and your good self.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:20am
    - Gabby
      
      Keeping Smug cwies whenever a nasty ducksie calls people howwible names ducksie.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:57am
    - sam green
      
      What a charming person you are Duxton. Of the ruling class are you?
      
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      September 16, 2017 12:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yep, seems like National and Labour are about neck and neck. Though back-track on tax does indicate labour knows it has hurt them (and maybe indicates they are a little behind national). It really will all come down to how the loathsome NZ 1st and Greens fare as to who forms a govt.
    
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    September 16, 2017 12:24pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  1. I’m far from convinced that the polling companies aren’t screwing the scrum on behalf of their clients, by over-surveying the Left’s demographics.
  
  Hilarious. The more excitable dim bulbs commenting at The Standard are convinced the polling companies are fiddling the results to favour the right. The ability of humans to remodel their mental perception of reality to fit their world view is really quite impressive, if also somewhat horrifying.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:39am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s what the biased fakenews leftright media want you to think.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:58am
JibberJabber

A little light relief.
I can`t even imagine being as thick as this Labour voter, that you would even go to the media with this,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922611
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September 16, 2017 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  How’s this for stupid?
  
  ‘One local summed up the sense of collective swing in the town.
  
  “I voted for National last time but I’m not sure whether to now. I’m sort of following the crowd a bit,” he said.’
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96639087/the-north-canterbury-town-that-has-predicted-the-election-outcome-for-33-years
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:13am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “I voted for National last time but I’m not sure whether to now. I’m sort of following the crowd a bit,” he said.’
    
    baaaaaaahhh!
    
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    September 16, 2017 12:12pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I’m pleased you picture small business owner Tess Coote as a Labour voter – the party needs to broaden its appeal to that sector of society, so this is reassuring.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:44am
- holysheet
  
  And still, they come. I was filling up with fuel in Cambridge yesterday. This woman comes to the counter after filling up her Audi 4×4, saying she had given her fuel card to her daughter, couldn’t pay and told the young lady behind the counter that her husband would come in and pay for the fuel later. She said in a condescending voice, who he was and went to leave. At the same time as a throwaway remark, she said it happens all the time.
  The young lady called her back and said she would have to get the manager to decide.
  Well, you should have seen the look on this entitled bitches face. “Don’t you know who I am” came to mind.
  After giving her details, she stormed off.
  I said to the young lady, “If it happens all the time, you would think she would do something about it”
  She and the manager both agreed.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:56am
  - sam green
    
    Point?
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:55am
    - holysheet
      
      How’s this for stupid?
      follow the thread you dumbarse
      
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      September 16, 2017 12:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    small towns do tend to operate a bit differently. People get to know and trust each other – less chance of anyone stiffing you when the community will hear about it.
    
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    September 16, 2017 12:19pm
    - holysheet
      
      When were you last in Cambridge? The place is growing. Last count there was 40,000 new faces in Cambridge. Don’t try getting parking on a Sat morning. The place is buzzing, so much for Cindys housing crisis. All the sensible yuppies from Auckland are shifting here.
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:58pm
Ross12

One of the reasons I look at WO is the often great pieces presented by his partner/wife ” spanishbride”
Today there is a guest article from a medical doctor writing about the NZ health system. A long but thoroughly worthwhile read.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/09/a-doctors-perspective/#more-333585
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September 16, 2017 10:09am
- lifesgood
  
  Yes she writes well, seems like a very nice person with a genuinely good heart. I feel very sorry for her.
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:09pm
krazykiwi

milky? you still there?

looks like our kindly host gave you a ticking off for your three word ad hom response to this comment.
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September 16, 2017 10:18am
- mikenmild
  
  Really? Perhaps next time I should say what I really think about such senile rantings.
  
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  September 16, 2017 12:46pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “Perhaps next time I should say what I really think”
    
    That would involve actual thinking. Thinking is not your strong point mikey. 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2017 12:58pm
KevinH

Facebook has been hosting election17 chats with party candidates such as Louisa Wall and Paula Bennett.
Facebook is broadcasting to that youth and young adult demographic and to Facebook’s credit the chats have been non partisan as well as an excellent platform for candidates.
People watching the pod castes are invited to ask questions and or comment on the chats.
Interestingly young women are overwhelmingly the main contributors to the discussion and their comments are illuminating.
There is genuine anger and frustration being expressed by young women who feel a disconnect with National which does not mirror their aspirations.
Some of the commentary is hostile and abusive especially during Paula Bennett’s chat.
The opposite occurred during Loiusa Wall’s chat where the commentary was supportive.
If anything by watching social media there is a momentum for change, however there is an obvious divide between men and women.
This election will be a battle of the sexes.
Men want continuance, women want change.
Young people are concerned with the cost of living and the environment. Should that translate to votes remains to be seen.
Labour has worked hard on the young demographic but we will have to wait and see whether they have done enough.
The Greens have most definitely recovered their electorate and will feature strongly in coalition arrangements.
NZ First have lost momentum and will be struggling to make the cut.Winston will have to have a solid week this week to secure his position.
This election will be tight. Party votes count.
As of today it is looking a Labour/ Greens win, a classic rural/ urban result.
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September 16, 2017 10:33am
- jcuk
  
  Well as a male, but not a young one, I want a continuation of sensible National Govt but with greater consideration with regard to housing and other social issues which National has neglected to date.
  National has done a little but not enough to make any difference. More warm houses, not million dollar mansions is what are needed to be owned by the state which do not make folk slaves to a bank.
  
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  September 16, 2017 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    As they are saying in Germany, with a vote on Sunday – despite Merkel’s real stuff ups, particularly in immigration, they will still vote for her on the thought that better the devil you know, and not the one you do not know.
    She will get back in on that basis.
    Would like to think that might happen here but am not sure the woman’s vote is far too strong.
    New Zealand’s women are more strident than those in Germany, and they only allow Citizens to vote whereas we allow almost anybody to register and vote without serious proof under the law.
    
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    September 16, 2017 2:17pm
    - gump
      
      We allow permanent residents who live in NZ to vote because we believe in the principle of “no taxation without representation”.
      
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      September 16, 2017 11:03pm
Duxton

“Young people are concerned with the cost of living….”

Well, good luck with that if Grant Roberston gets his hands on the Finance portfolio!
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September 16, 2017 10:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, he struggles with a calculator, and with long words. Goodness know the damage he’ll do if given our economy to play with.
  
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  September 16, 2017 10:41am
Digmen1

I just voted on that Stuff Poll.

I was also pleasantly surprised at the high vote for National.

But the poll and the comments section are sort of hidden away.
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September 16, 2017 10:54am
- KevOB
  
  A coffee bean poll in Linwood Christchurch showed Labour about 4:3 against National. For a solid Labour area that was a bit of a surprise. NZF would have been about 8:3 Labour:NZF. Greens 16:3.
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:32pm
Inandout

We are looking forward to being flogged by Labour, it is in our kiwi nature to feel insecure about a booming economy and we want to be punished. We really are a weird lot.
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September 16, 2017 11:27am
- stigie
  
  Yes, it will be similar to heading off to Madam Lashes House of Pain !~
  
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  September 16, 2017 11:53am
  - sam green
    
    You know you like it stigie.
    
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    September 16, 2017 11:57am
    - sooty
      
      Sigie, you will not be on Cindys christmas card list.
      
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      September 16, 2017 6:55pm
SGA

As a general rule, I dislike the vandalism of election hoardings (most of it, on both sides, tends to be somewhat adolescent and boring) but every now and again someone shows a little more thought and preparation. The Bill English does Dominos did make me smile.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96896349/a-beginners-guide-to-2017-election-campaign-billboard-vandalism
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September 16, 2017 12:51pm
wiseowl

Hilarious!
CNN interview with Sky Sports Radio host Clay Travis where he states the only thing he believes in are the First Amendment and boobs!
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September 16, 2017 12:54pm
- Gabby
  
  Hahaha, boob loves boobs! Hiwawwious!
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:28pm
  - SGA
    
    No, he believes in boobs. As opposed to those people who don’t believe in boobs, I guess???
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:35pm
ROJ

When are we going to get media commentary on the effect of a Labour victory being that NZ super payments won’t be going up?
That is the impact receiving after-tax amounts. I bet Winnie is not trumpeting this, at least not this time!
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September 16, 2017 1:28pm
- Gabby
  
  They scrapping the annual increase are they?
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:29pm
  - ROJ
    
    They have been telling us that workers’ pay hasn’t gone up in sooo long, so maybe they will have to do a u-turn on that in order to explain why that might be so
    
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    September 16, 2017 1:38pm
  - ROJ
    
    Oh, but of course they want to raise the minimum wage on the same day. Pity it will take a year to work through, but it appears they do have a cunning plan …
    
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    September 16, 2017 1:47pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  When are we going to get media commentary on the effect of a Labour victory being that NZ super payments won’t be going up?
  
  Well, I may be going out on a limb here, but my pick would be: we’re not going to get media commentary on stuff you just made up, because it’s stuff you just made up.
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:30pm
publicwatchdog

‪IMO’ Mr Fixit’ Steven Joyce is USELESS.

In Tamaki only 213 new houses built – 237 gone.‬

‪https://www.facebook.com/penny.bright.104/posts/1796625243683493‬

‪https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5840214/shareholdings‬

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki
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September 16, 2017 1:30pm
- stigie
  
  What about taking some of the homeless into your hovel Penny, that’s if you’ve got your water on at the full rate.
  Hate to see them going without a bath..?
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:44pm
  - starboard
    
    Even the bums and stiffs have minimum standards stigie.
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:05pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve (NS) Alaska
  
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  September 16, 2017 1:58pm
- Swifty
  
  Pitiful.
  
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  September 16, 2017 2:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  IMO’ Mr Fixit’ Steven Joyce is USELESS.
  
  That’s a bit harsh, Penny. Take a look at Steven Joyce’s profile on the National Party website:
  
  Steven spends his spare time developing his lifestyle property just north of Auckland where he lives with his young family, Gemma the Retradoodle, and assorted ducks, geese and wild rabbits.
  
  A lifestyle property! I’m sure Steven could be persuaded to take you (and your many cats) in if Auckland Council eventually gets around to selling your home.
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:49pm
  - sooty
    
    I can not give you an up vote as well as a down vote for that Nosta. What did Mr Joyce do, to deserve Penny arriving on his doorstep!
    
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    September 16, 2017 6:47pm
    - Viking2
      
      Losing to Labour.
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:04pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Penny i voted for you during the last Mayoral elections what are you doing to ensure that there is an adequate number of houses being built in the greater Auckland region and have you paid your rates?
  
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  September 16, 2017 4:36pm
  - rangitoto
    
    It was you!
    
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    September 16, 2017 6:26pm
    - sooty
      
      Penny, don’t look in the mirror will you.
      
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      September 16, 2017 6:50pm
- lifesgood
  
  You idiot! Go and have a look, hundreds more underway. You can’t demolish hundreds of houses and have new ones in their place instantly, it takes time. Honestly, some people!
  
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  September 16, 2017 9:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Its difficult being a politician…. especially when a family member tries to restore the honour of a pedophile

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41280080
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September 16, 2017 1:57pm
waikatogirl

National have announced an added amount to the tax reduction pension will receive under National from 1 April next year. 780,000 over 65 are a growing percentage and National are committed to looking after this sector.
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September 16, 2017 2:03pm
- ROJ
  
  And how is that being reported?- with silence it appears
  
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  September 16, 2017 2:13pm
- Digmen1
  
  And the farmers (and the farming towns) and the workers (who pay tax), and the businesses and exporters who do not want extra taxes and interference etc. and the rivers (they have a plan not a vision) and the unemployed (one on one help to get a job)
  
  I could go on.
  
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  September 16, 2017 2:17pm
  - gump
    
    Who do you think pays for national super?
    
    Hint: It’s funded entirely out of taxes.
    
    You can raise national super or you can lower taxes. Choose one.
    
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    September 16, 2017 10:56pm
Manolo

The totalitarian Left advances:
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/13/canada-now-investigates-climate-denial
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September 16, 2017 2:06pm
dave_c_

What hypocritical assholes those are who promote the idea that Maori should be mandatory at school, and part of their justification is that non maori do not pronounce maori names correctly.
Maori, TV presenters, weather dollies, typical kiwis et al dont pronounce many NZ placenames correctly.
Gisbin, Mastertin, always spring to mind.
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September 16, 2017 2:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Words represent concepts. English has words that English speakers recognize as referring to place names, etc.
  
  When you say “Taupo” in English you are uttering an English word that represents a place. Why would you pronounce it as if it were a Maori word when it is not a Maori word!? It is an English word.
  
  Of course, if you were speaking Te Reo, you would pronounce the place as “Taw-paw.”
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:05pm
  - cmm
    
    That is correct.
    
    For example the English word “pajamas” is stolen from an Indian word for loose fitting trousers.
    
    Yes we now speak of payama tops and pajame bottoms. While the origin might be from India the usage (and pronunciation) are now different.
    
    The same goes for words like pork, which is just the French name for pig. We use pork to refer to the meat of a pig, generally not a live pig.
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:26pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Some Japanese terms are taken from English and sound like English, but have unique meanings.
      For example, in Japanese golf, the term “follow” refers to a “following wind,” while the term “against” refers to a headwind.
      
      Some Japanese popular words sound English but are really Japanese in origin. For example, the phrase “American hair” meaning “thinning hair” is derived from the popular “American coffee” style of coffee in Japan which is a weak filter coffee.
      
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      September 16, 2017 3:59pm
    - holysheet
      
      Jim jams is the latest name for pajamas for those that wear them
      
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      September 16, 2017 4:01pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Jim jams!” (That’s a new word to learn.)
        
        Isn’t English (or any living language) a wonderful thing to behold.
        
        Does Te Reo come up with any new words on its own (in the absence of State-funded committee)? Maybe not…
        
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        September 16, 2017 6:00pm
      - Viking2
        
        Ha, but not knew.
        
        Just like jaamies.
        
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        September 16, 2017 8:10pm
    - jcuk
      
      When William took over england in 1066 he and his mates imported the ‘finished’ state of objects while natural living items retained their english name hence pork and pig .. I am sure there are other examples …. long time since I did french in school 🙂
      
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      September 17, 2017 2:00pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    While I wouldn’t claim a lot of expertise, I believe that last pronunciation should be “T-ah-oo-paw” – the vowels sounds being: ah ere ee aw oo.
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:15pm
    - Viking2
      
      ah ere ee aw oo.
      
      This is a children’s blog, please leave the sex cries to another time.
      Thanks.
      
      😆
      
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      September 16, 2017 8:11pm
    - Fisiani
      
      Many Maori words are English words heard by someone with bilateral glue ear and edentulous from lack of calcium in the diet.
      
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      September 16, 2017 10:02pm
- mikenmild
  
  Could I interest you in a membership in my Society for the Pronunciation of the Queen’s English (SPOQE)?
  We have special rate for people concerned about the deplorable absence of the Received Pronunciation among broadcasters.
  
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  September 16, 2017 3:35pm
  - SGA
    
    Aiming too low, mm. We should really show our class and insist on an Eton Drawl.
    
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    September 16, 2017 3:40pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Don’t you mean “SPQR”?
    (Hail Caesar!)
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:02pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Wasn’t (Julius) Caesar assassinated because he was an enemy of the Senate and People of Rome (Senātus Populusque Rōmānus)? Pedantic, I realise, but Kimbo’s kickarse pub quiz team is always on the lookout for like minds
      
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      September 16, 2017 4:06pm
    - mikenmild
      
      What have the Romans ever down for us?
      
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      September 16, 2017 5:24pm
  - Brigitte
    
    There already is The Royal Society for Piss Minunciation:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ4a2BzXjC0
    
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    September 16, 2017 4:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I liked the weather forecast: “and here in Nissingdown it’s absolutely pissing down”.
      
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      September 16, 2017 5:22pm
lifesgood

89.5K votes on Stuff’s poll. Nat currently running at 45%. Labour at 39%.
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September 16, 2017 4:40pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  When other labour voters finally catch on to the poll they will mass hit.
  In reality it is just a bit of fun where people have tried to skew the results. I said my party vote was going to National, when in fact it went (have voted) to Act and the candidate vote went to National.
  Do they have an indication of the margin of error because of like minded people to me who put in the wrong party “just for fun”.
  
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  September 16, 2017 4:58pm
RF

Just heard Ms Ardern rabbiting on about friendly Pirates who gate crashed her street meeting and asking what she would do for them. She was quite giggly and this obviously appealed to her mentality as it fits in with her being in her comfort zone with school children etc… lots of jolly japes, with cake and lashings of whip cream … spiffing fun…etc

FFS she wants to be our PM yet behaves like
some bimbo from Play School.

She is going to be totally out of her depth on the world stage unless she discoveres that Donald Trump used to flip burgers. They could then compare notes.
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September 16, 2017 5:15pm
- Gabby
  
  What would Ponyboy have done, I ask myself.
  
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  September 16, 2017 5:35pm
  - sooty
    
    Labour party supports in drag!
    
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    September 16, 2017 6:38pm
sooty

Where Taito Philip Field, these days? I would not expect him on the campaign team.
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September 16, 2017 6:37pm
nasska

The jobs of thousands of fat, bitter menopausal feminists & their girly male counterparts are heading south in the not too distant future:

….” intelligent machines that adapt to suit the learning styles of individual children will soon render traditional academic teaching all but redundant.”…..

AND

…..”Experts predict that automated teaching of maths and science will form the vanguard of machine-led learning, but that sophisticated algorithms would soon be devised to teach the humanities.”…..

Bye bye socialist teaching scum. Hand in your chalk & seek a new future. It will probably involve stop/go signs & road cones with four weeks leave per year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/09/11/inspirational-robots-begin-replacing-teachers-within-10-years/
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September 16, 2017 6:44pm
- Inandout
  
  Even robots can be socialist.
  
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  September 16, 2017 7:55pm
JasonJohns

If we want to solve the synthetic cannibas crisis we have to deal with its roots…the Frankfurt School
Uptick if you agree
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September 16, 2017 7:02pm
- Jack5
  
  You didn’t get much of a bite with that post, Kea.
  
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  September 16, 2017 11:46pm
nasska

They’re at it again. It’s endemic…..they just can’t help themselves:

….”A Vatican diplomat working in Washington has been recalled to the Holy See after the US State Department said the priest may have violated child pornography laws.”……

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/96914397/Vatican-recalls-US-diplomat-amid-child-pornography-investigation
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September 16, 2017 7:30pm
RF

I see the Crooked frog is trying to Justify her criminal offending. Is she that stupid.

I also see the Hobbit hater former actress Robyn Malcolm has joined her in support so this is a good indication of her honesty.

FFS

Both deserve each other.
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September 16, 2017 7:38pm
Jack5

A break from politics, politics, politics …

A row between Aussie Chinese ladies has reached the New South Wales Supreme Court.

One accuses the other of being a “green tea prostitute”, and gets the response that the accuser is a “barking dog” who doesn’t pay her debts, and worse follows.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/knox-mothers-sue-each-other-for-defamation-over-wechat-outbursts-20170915-gyi6vd.html
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September 16, 2017 11:44pm
Jack5

Le Pen is stirring again in France as Macron runs into battles with France’s labour unions.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/853659/Marine-Le-Pen-Front-National-revitalise-Emmanuel-Macron-labour-reforms-France
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September 16, 2017 11:57pm
mikenmild

Hey guys.
Just woke from an alarming nightmare, where the All Blacks thrashed the Springboks by 50 points, Longknives and big bruv were raving about how fair the referee was, and that the ABs should have won by more.
“Tell him he’s dreaming”
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September 17, 2017 12:48am
Jack5

The sign-language interpreters on TV can be intriguing, but I’ve never heard of anyone matching this one …

http://nypost.com/2017/09/16/deaf-community-outraged-after-interpreter-signed-gibberish-before-irma/
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September 17, 2017 12:51am
- Jack5
  
  And from a bad sign-language interpreter to one who gets attention for the right reasons:
  
  https://youtu.be/ONlxsY1lbSk
  
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  September 17, 2017 1:01am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, there was one case worse than the Irma signer…
  
  https://youtu.be/X-DxGoIVUWo
  
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  September 17, 2017 1:06am
  - Jack5
    
    And the Mandela signer reckoned he was having a schizophrenia attack….
    
    https://youtu.be/7iHTDrxRvLI
    
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