General Debate 11 September 2017

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Notsofast

In this verbatim extract from Kim Hill’s interview with Ian Binnie, he demonstrates that Judith Collins did not read his report, and that Michael Guest and John Pike might be deemed to have violated their duty to New Zealand courts. What Judith Collins did was an unspeakable outrage, she must be voted from office for this, and be seen to have ruled herself from any position that can do further damage to New Zealand’s international reputation.
In the rest of the interview Binnie shows total command of the science, logistics and motivations in the mass murder suicide by Robin Bain.
Maybe someone will be civilised enough to GENERALLY DEBATE matters in this interview and the concerns I have just outlined.
Ideally the three he accuses of deceit will answer his specific allegations publicly some day, because they will never disappear.

KH:
Right.. and you wrote up your report, and you sent it off, what was the first inkling you got, that the government or the
minister was unhappy with it.
IB:
I had some inkling beforehand that the minister was a sort of Law and Order character and she was not going to be pleased
with my view, the first contact I had, I was summonsed – I was in Cairo at the time, to come to Auckland to meet with the
Minister,
KH:
This is Judith Collins now..
IB:
Yes Judith Collins, and I had a 15 minute meeting, which meant I’d spent about an hour in an aeroplane for every minute I had with the Minister, I had the very clear impression she had not read my report.
She certainly knew what the bottom line was, and she had a briefing note, which I had been given beforehand, which set out
three points, those are the only points that she touched on, and when I responded, one of them was this thing about Michael
Guest, er, Michael Guest says he’s guilty.
KH:
Michael Guest is a lawyer?
IB:
Michael Guest is the original defence lawyer, and defence lawyers aren’t very happy when a client spends 13yrs in jail, and is then acquitted by the Privy Council – why the minister would attach importance to what Michael Guest said, is beyond me, but the minister did not seem to realise,
KH:
But hang on, you’re saying Michael Guest is a defence lawyer right?
IB:
Yep.
KH:
So why would a defence lawyer feel obliged to say that David Bain is now guilty are you suggesting that because someone else has found him innocent, he’s aggrieved?
IB:
No no what Im suggesting is that there’s a certain level of professional embarrassment if you have unsuccessfully defended somebody… it makes you feel better in the end if they’re guilty anyway.
KH:
Alright I understand… yep.
IB:
My point is this, that when I replied to the ministers point about Michael Guest has sent me an email that David Bain is guilty, I mean there was zero registration on the face of the minister, (long pause) that I had even dealt with this in my report. And in fact what she was telling me, I had already ACCEPTED in the report in black and white, I said on this point, I said I accept what Michael Guest said, the minister didn’t seem to realise that.
KH:
By which you deduce that she did not read the report.
IB:
Well there were a number of items er.. for example she has one or another of her points had to do with Sir Thomas Thorpe,
who had interviewed David Bain, who really concluded that his application for clemency shouldn’t go anywhere because… er there was nothing to it – well of course a few years later the Privy Council said yes! theres a lot! Theres a lot here and theres a real problem with this case and we are quashing the convictions not as technical miscarriages of justice but the word they used was this has been an ACTUAL miscarriage of justice.
So how one can leap-frog back over the Privy Council to ’Tommy Thorpe’ she called him, years before and say well look what
Tommy Thorpe says, suggests that she had no grip of anything that had gone on, ah in between, all of which was in my report.
KH:
It seems that Judith Collins told Dr Robert Fisher that she believed that there were significant problems with your report
I wonder, how she concluded that.. have you any ideas?
IB:
Yes I have no doubt at all that the prosecutors John Pike and er, his colleague, had been with the Bain case for years, they were
very heavily committed to the prosecution they had gone to the Privy Council – lost at the Privy Council, had gone into this 12
week re-trial, lost at the retrial. they didn’t want to give up! There is no way Judith Collins could have prepared that letter of instruction, I think it came straight from the prosecutors and she signed off, and away we went.
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September 11, 2017 8:01am
duggledog

That performance by Jacinda yesterday at the 600 shoes was almost up to Lundy standard. Nice.
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September 11, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  She learn’t that from her Earth Mother Helen Clark who probably told her to blub like she did.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:05am
  - ztev
    
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    At least she wasnt ‘planking’ or other inane viral absurdities
    SAD
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:21am
    - dime
      
      i agree ztev!
      
      i mean, as a 37 yr old woman trying to become PM, its important to show that you cry at the drop of a hat.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:39am
      - ztev
        
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        Yes pulling ponytails is just so much more ‘Trumpesque’
        As for crying- that was what he made others do
        
        “John Key leaves girl in tears after saying Maori language month would bore people”
        
        She was humiliated in front of the school
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70747364/john-key-leaves-girl-in-tears-after-calling-maori-language-month-boring
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:22am
      - Ceejay
        
        @ Ztev
        Just to help you catch up – the contenders for PM in this election are Jacinda Ardern and Bill English.
        
        Get that? BILL ENGLISH.
        
        That clear now?
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:22am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky,Nasty, Senile.Thats you.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:40am
      - CHFR1
        
        It was interesting to see the feedback on Facebook (shame Stuff has disabled comments…wonder why) about 60% saying she was faking it and the remainder split between she will personally care for everyone to there is no way she can do anything she promised.
        This election may not be as in the bag for Labour as they think.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:44am
      - Gabby
        
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        Oldfart
        Old
        Farty
        Thassewe.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:09am
      - GazzaW
        
        Medic!!
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:15am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
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  You’ll be surprised by the Lundy appeal when you read it, a Crown case built on junk science and offenders never found. Even more surprise will be those that fell into a trap of subjective guess work after viewing a TV clip. A lot more involved but keeping it simple and judging a case by a news clip doesn’t engender confidence that you could understand it. So we’ll see and resume the conversation with the facts are made public.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:20am
  - ztev
    
    That pathologist was piece of work , shamelessly shifted his evidence each time to fit the crowns case. Oh and the missing photos from the autopsy…very unusual
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:23am
    - Notsofast
      
      ztev, you show good case knowledge, enjoy the appeal. Few on the crown side will.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:32am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        You’re sussed now that you have a David Bain expert on your side, with all his legal knowledge and “experience”.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:52am
      - Notsofast
        
        I row my own boat thanks Rachael. I can answer any sensible questions you have on Lundy. But of course questions are ruled out in the Salem trials.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:13am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky,Nasty, Senile. Thats you.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:41am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Old
        Farty
        Thassewe.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:11am
      - GazzaW
        
        Medic! Where the hell are you? Bring a straitjacket.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:21am
      - starboard
        
        ..or a baton with a nail in the end
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:16am
      - mikenmild
        
        None of your kinky ideas, starboard. You know it’s dangerous getting over-excited with the fantasies at your age.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:20am
- fluffykiwi
  
  She had plenty of time to practice the performance it was known about for some time and had even been on TV before.
  What on earth happens when the Beige BMW goes past white crosses on the side of the road. Does the car come to a halt so she can have a little cry.
  She better get a nice pair of Hunter gumboots sorry Redbands because with her policies there will be more farmers committing suicide. They are struggling out of a huge downturn, there have been and will be more suicides by farmers with what they are proposing, sometimes just a step too far.
  The rest of the country did not experience the downturn that farmers did – the bank knocking on the door. So they kept working for the good of the country so that the lattes could still be enjoyed in Ponsonby.
  People should remember that.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:22am
  - RF
    
    Don’t forget that there will be a large number of dissapointed voters who will soon discover that they have been lied to by the princess.
    
    This just Might have a terrible result when they realise
    they have been conned.
    
    Maybe the princess should follow in Queen Victoria’s footsteps and permanently wear black clothing.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:53am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Yes quite so. So is the lovely Jacindarella going to take personal responsibility when all those stupid people who voted for her realise they’ve been duped and slash their wrists when the penny drops. Nope, don’t think so.
      
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      September 11, 2017 7:10pm
- G152
  
  Noticed Robertson standing behind whispering in her shell like before the emotional bit…
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:26am
  - VicParking
    
    He was breathing onion fumes into her face
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:41am
  - softail 1450
    
    what you missed was his hand up her back moving her arms and lips.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:44am
    - RF
      
      Sweet cheeks was counting down for her so she knew when to start.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:55am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Poking her with a pin so she would cry.
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:22am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Probably didn’t need a pin.
      My sister asked me the other week if I could still cry on demand lol.
      Some talent of mine that she remembered from our childhood.
      I of course could remember no such thing, and I am sure that my sensitive soul was riven to the core on every occasion. ;).
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:53am
      - Debbie
        
        Certain moisturisers, particularly those with SPF, if applied too closely to the eyes, will cause one to cry very quickly after rubbing underneath ones eyes.
        
        Discovered by accident whilst avoiding skin cancer.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:07pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        @ Debbie, Vicks Vaporub, Deep Heat and Liniment work great too. Good for those realllly sad times. Instantly efficacious.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:34pm
      - GoVege
        
        You dorks are pathetic.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:45pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Whats the matter GoVege, feeling hungry?
        Have a delicious triple cheeseburger made with real cow, cured piglet and dripping with cheesy goodness and mayonnaise, surrounded by toasted white bread hamburger buns.
        You remind of us that other great vegetarian, Hitler when you’re hungry.
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m not a cannibal like you ABS.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:20pm
- Notsofast
  
  It now seems Mark Lundy unwittingly took part in a scary scientific and judicial experiment.
  Is this happening to Jacinda?
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:30am
  - Chris R
    
    Do you mean like the experiment undertaken in “A Clockwork Orange?” If you do, you’re wrong. Lundy is a murderer.
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:32pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Not as good as Bain.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:53am
  - Notsofast
    
    Not as good as Judith, Chuck
    
    Ian Binnie to Kim Hill:
    My point is this, that when I replied to the ministers point about Michael Guest has sent me an email that David Bain is guilty, I mean there was zero registration on the face of the minister, (long pause) that I had even dealt with this in my report. And in fact what she was telling me, I had already ACCEPTED in the report in black and white, I said on this point, I said I accept what Michael Guest said, the minister didn’t seem to realise that.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Lundy is guilty, and in a rational country would have been hanged. He killed his young daughter as well as his wife. What a piece of crap.
    
    Notsofast, do you think justice is some sort of game you can replay and replay until you win? Don’t be a sucker for a psychopath.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:37am
    - Notsofast
      
      Lundy is innocent, we saw two trials and two failed appeals in Thomas and Pora. This case is heading for two trials and one failed appeal in my opinion, which is based on case facts, and knowledge of crown malfeasance.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:42am
      - Jack5
        
        Notsofast, you or I would cause a non-unanimous jury decision. But Lundy did it! You don’t really think every murder accused is an Arthur Alan Thomas?
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:58am
      - Notsofast
        
        Not so sure Jack. Read the trial transcripts carefully and you will soon see the proof of innocence. There are some question marks about the jury pool, and the verdict is suggestive of bias. Unfortunately the sanctity of the jury is a sonofabitch for future proceedings. Don’t believe everything Judith Potter says about juries.
        
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        September 11, 2017 12:34pm
- Chris R
  
  Well said! The idiot Jacinda needs to read some statistics. Men over age 45 are the largest group of suiciders in NZ with a preponderance in rural areas. Labour’s planned torture of farmers will bolster that number. I detest Labour!
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:24am
  - Jack5
    
    Suicide can be devastating for families, but it’s also one of those insoluble issues that liberal trendies can seize on.
    
    Similar well, almost panic, has popped up in Britain.
    
    I found this extract from Wikipedia interesting in the light of our media drive to open up restrictions on reporting suicide:
    
    According to the National Institute of Mental Health, suicide contagion is a serious problem, especially for young people. Suicide can be facilitated in vulnerable teens by exposure to real or fictional accounts of suicide, including media coverage of suicide, such as intensive reporting of the suicide of a celebrity or idol …
    
    Rates of drug abuse and divorce, for example, also seem relevant.
    
    With suicides caused by depression, you have to wonder whether the de-institutionalisation of mental health care, the continued starving of this service for cash, and media/public persecution of psychiatists and similar professionals play a role in any increased rate.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_suicide
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:56am
    - Chris R
      
      You are so right Jack5. I have known a few people who have ended their lives and had zero expectation that they were tempted to do so. Suicide is an intensely personal act and fawning greasy liars like Jacinda clearly have no respect for that.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:20am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So the governments fault?
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:21pm
  - GoVege
    
    Farmers have been doing pretty well for a long time.
    The loss of any life is a tragedy, but it’s worse when the person has hardly lived their life.
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Difficult to measure..
      
      My mother’s suicide affected 4 generations of people.
      
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      September 11, 2017 4:43pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m sorry to hear that Maggie.
        My grandmother’s suicide had a devastating effect on all her kids but especially my mum who was the youngest child.
        Suicide doesn’t just take one life…it damages so many others.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Those labour party shoes almost brought tears to my eyes too. Think of all the poor labour voters walking around in bare feet in this weather.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:19am
  - mikenmild
    
    Do you think the other political parties were not invited to the event?
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:24am
    - rangitoto
      
      No idea but the media only reported Taxinda.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:16am
      - mikenmild
        
        I was interested in the answer, but couldn’t find anything – so we will have to go with your assumption. I did note that a suicide prevention forum today will be attended by all the political parties, except National and ACT.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:24am
  - G152
    
    They would have raided an Op Shop for them
    
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    September 11, 2017 2:16pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The shoes represent lives lost to suicide. They are mostly provided by grieving families. I share your cynicism about JAs tears, but you are wrong to dismiss the message.
      Our Mental Health Services are oversubscribed and in total disarray.
      IMO:
      Ardern is a lightweight PR front with a lightweight team behind her. She’s promising nirvana for Mental Health as well as everything else. Do you trust them to get it right?
      English and his team are tried and tested. Most are solid but Coleman has been an arrogant disappointment. They chucked some extra cash at it, but that’s not all of the problem.
      
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      September 11, 2017 5:58pm
- KevOB
  
  Taxinda favours older age suicide–cuts the pensions costs and frees up housing. “Her generation are not being fairly treated.”
  
  Abort all the unwanted or ill formed children—murder on the operating table. Pre-baby parts for sale as in the USA?
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:12am
  - Gabby
    
    You’d think she’d be keen on raising the super age then oleblatherer.
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:22pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      One lick to see if it is chocolate, another because you’re a coprophiliac
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:37pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        B
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:45pm
- Fletch
  
  As someone on my Facebook said yesterday, how about putting out 12,000 pairs of baby booties signifying how many babies were aborted last year in New Zealand? Jacinda wouldn’t shed a tear over that; in fact, her decriminalising of the abortion law will create even more dead babies, even allowing for abortion up to the point of childbirth.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:07pm
  - GoVege
    
    Fletch: are you aware that most young women would carry on with an unplanned pregnancy if they thought the guy who impregnated them cared enough about them to stick around?
    Maybe instead of sticking your nose into young women’s bodies, you could start urging your fellow males to stop coercing girls into sex, use condoms, and stick by them when they get pregnant.
    
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    September 11, 2017 2:53pm
    - Fletch
      
      It’s true that men need to take responsibility, but I do not think that ending the life of a baby is an answer in any circumstance. It can’t be.
      
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      September 11, 2017 6:15pm
    - Sideoiler
      
      Maybe instead of sticking your nose into young women’s bodies,
      
      If you are using your nose your’e doing it wrong.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:11pm
    - Jack5
      
      Good point GoVege.
      
      Nail the buggers by making DNA testing universal. Women shouldn’t carry all the burden.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:26pm
- gump
  
  More nastiness. What kind of life have you had to make you think that your comments are appropriate?
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:23pm
  - KevOB
    
    Taxcinderella has refused to deny end of term abortions–she needs the Crimes Act changed for that.
    
    Get the message out about Taxcinderella and end of term abortions.
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:25pm
    - Piniwi
      
      It is likely that like so many policies this one too might have some nasty “unintended consequence” as pointed out by Rodney Hyde.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:54pm
    - GoVege
      
      How many “end of term abortions” would there really be these days with all the prenatal tests available early in pregnancy?
      
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      September 11, 2017 3:02pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well she got all the votes of those attending! That is all it is about bro. However, it looks leftie sidekicks like Bary Soap and candy boy Jack Tame seem to be asking some valid questions of Tooth Fairy…What is going on here?
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:39pm
- Piniwi
  
  More likely a serious indication that her meds need revision or adjustment. Melancholy that prompts teary eyes is a symptom of depression as will be known to the thousands who suffer this ailment, known or not. The fact she has spoken openly about her fragile mental state goes a long way to understand her short fuse, shrieking response when under pressure and the drooping eyelids in the first debate. Sure the Media party are treating with kid gloves but they cannot protect her from so many other sources of pressure. IMO a meltdown is pending and she may not make it to the 23rd.
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:37pm
  - GoVege
    
    You wish!
    Maybe she’s just a caring kind of person.
    We haven’t had one of those in power for a while.
    Cunliffe could have been but he dared to speak up about a subject Kiwis don’t like to face up to.
    
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    September 11, 2017 2:36pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Cunliffe.
      Pity he didn’t speak up about his extra marital relationships before his (now estranged) wife Karen made a complete fucking fool of herself on the interwebs.
      I am sure he is feeling sorry for being a man about now.
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:51pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well I don’t recall him talking about “grabbing them by the pussy” or “lays of our Dave”.
        And I’m pretty sure his wife didnt flinch when he walked past her like the POTUS’s.
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:57pm
      - Duxton
        
        When is Katy due?
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:30pm
    - Duxton
      
      I cannot wait to see her have a nervous breakdown.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:32pm
- KKKKatee
  
  She tried to make political mileage out of suicide by stating recently how deeply she was affected when her friend’s brother committed suicide. Ardent was 13 at the time. Tell you what, she’d have been over it and moved on by the end of the week like these school kids do. They love to get caught up in a drama I’ve observed.
  
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  September 11, 2017 2:26pm
  - GoVege
    
    Not every one has a heart of stone, KKKKatee.
    
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    September 11, 2017 2:38pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Maybe, maybe not. I’m reasonably astute when it comes to teenagers’ reactions to dramas such as this. Even if they barely know the victim, they get on board the drama train. Soon get over it I’ve noticed. I’m a realist.
      
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      September 11, 2017 4:23pm
krazykiwi

If the answer is a new tax, then you’re asking the wrong question.
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September 11, 2017 8:02am
Captain Mainwaring

Forgive me for reposting this from last night’s thread. Hugh gave me the idea..

The mood of the Jacindazilla meeting in Wellington’s St. James theatre yesterday reminded me more than anything else I’ve seen of the Hitler rallies in Germany in the early 1930s.
I don’t make this observation to try and compare the political ideologies on display, but more importantly to highlight the effect that a sharp salesperson has on influencing a shallow, unthinking populace.
What is being sold here is at best the same as what the dismal Angry Andy was peddling (and getting nowhere), and at worst a whole lot more destructive to the future of our country than even Angry could present.
But this modern-day Pied Piper of Hamelin is going to lure our young people to a place they’ve never been before, all based on promises, ideals, dreams and no substance. It will all end in tears.
And it looks like a steamroller that the older voters (who’ve seen the dark side of Labour before) are not numerous enough to stop.
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September 11, 2017 8:02am
- PhilBest
  
  National was always taking a political risk – nay, more a certainty of grief than a mere “risk” – by pandering to incumbent property owners pleased with $100,000 per year capital gain in their own houses (not to mention investment properties), while at the same time creating a growing constituency of people who do not and never will own their own home.
  
  You can lash out at people like me who were pointing this out all along, but you made this bed, stupid Nats, the time has come to lie in it.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:09am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Hilter rallies now – streuth, don’t hold back on the panicking.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:13am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      The rallys more like that other german sounding name-
      LANGE
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:24am
      - PhilBest
        
        On the track record, I reckon a cabinet with the courage of the Lange – Douglas one would have effectively dealt with the housing supply issue within one term. But has there ever been a cabinet like this at any other time in NZ history? Of course Lange lost his nerve thanks largely to his thang with that mistress, which was a sad end.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:42am
      - oldpark
        
        Ztev
        Cranky Nasty, Senile. Thats you .
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:45am
      - Duxton
        
        Is that the same Lange who presided over the greatest increase in suicides in NZ history? The serial adulterer who shagged his speech writer – a very plain woman and completely lacking in class, as I recall.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:56am
      - GoVege
        
        Courage, Phil?
        Don’t you mean “the hidden agenda” I. E. Lying to the people.
        And haven’t you noticed it’s so often the “Christian” politicians who are committing adultery and ditching their wives and kids?
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:24am
    - GazzaW
      
      Last seen in 2014 in Ch’ch at the Dotcom Rally.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:22am
      - rangitoto
        
        Probably the same audience.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:23am
      - lifesgood
        
        Yes, and look where it got him.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    Both parties were proud to have been associated with the “we were first to give China free trade status” when everyone knows there’s no free trade in China.
    We now live with the consequences of that deal . A big part is the massive influx of Chinese migrants and their hot money. This has skewed the housing market.
    Labour and NZF seem to be benefitting from the backlash ,while Bill and the Nats have bunkered down on it. That might see him out of the PM job.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:35am
    - suzieq
      
      Bunker — to unload/refill oil. Hunker, perhaps?
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:48am
      - kowtow
        
        Reinforced underground shelter for use in wartime.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:11am
      - mikenmild
        
        Correct: ‘bunkered down’ is meaningless. One can hunker down, or exhibit a bunker mentality, perhaps.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:29am
  - artemisia
    
    So what would be an acceptable annual capital gain on residential property? $0? $100? $1000? $10,000? …
    
    Or as median prices fall, at what point should a capital loss regime kick in. -$100? -$1000? -$10,000? …
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:47am
    - ztev
      
      Its a tax on GAINS, you work it out.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:26am
      - Prince
        
        So if the capital value reduces, there is no rebate ?
        Hardly seems fair does it ?
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:36am
      - oldpark
        
        Ztev
        Cranky,Nasty, Senile. Thats you.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:46am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Phil you are partly right. And this is something that maybe National could have tweaked. Especially the part about property speculators making quick easy cash relative to more productive businesses. But already house prices are flattening as per the natural economic cylce. And there are 5 houses near my area that don’t appear to be selling. Interest rates are predicted to go back up to 8%. The problem with Jacinda is that she isn’t planning a tweak to one industry. It is the cumulative massive about face to our economy. She is planning to slam the rural sector with three new huge taxes. She is planning to curtail immigration and the economic growth that has come with that. She is planning to slow the overseas students and education sector. She is planning to radically slow the property sector. Her plan to replace this massive cuts to existing industries is to invent and innovate new farming technology that can be used overseas. So her plan for growth and to replace these sectors is a new invention that has yet to be invented yet. Yeah right. The question for voters is 1. our economy and country going in the right direction and need some steering and finessing (National), Option 2. or shall we do a massive handbrake turn and radically change our sectors and economy in an unproven “modelling” done by labour wonks and “university experts.” (Labour).
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:26am
    - GoVege
      
      “Slam the rural sector with three huge new taxes”?
      Do elaborate. .
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:32pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Water Tax, Land Tax, Capital Gains Tax, Cow Fart Tax, Death Duties …
        
        Labour want votes without detailing their tax policy. We know that these things are being considered but we’re expected to guess where the money will come from to pay for the lolly scramble.
        
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        September 11, 2017 6:15pm
  - KevOB
    
    If Labour get elected they will lie in it. Global finance created the asset boom and that is coming to an end. The next government will take the brunt of it. Labour haven’t the skill to manage the near future.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:32pm
- Paulus
  
  I hope the fact that she is more like Joan of Arc that she does not get burnt up similarly by her own people(sic) like the Unions who are reported not happy in that they got usurped.
  This was not their plan not to be in charge.
  Grant is still smiling as is Helen for now.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:09am
  - GazzaW
    
    She’s having more visions than Joan of Arc. That’s for sure.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:35am
    - KevOB
      
      Manic revolutionary.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:33pm
- calendar girl
  
  After more than an hour of Jacinda Ardern being interviewed on ZB radio (15 minutes more to go), it’s clear that for the Labour Leader everything is about “I”and “me”.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:11am
  - tf78
    
    Four houses in 4-5 minutes in a Rotorua factory – Jacinda knows she was there – leads me to believe National have really got the housing production under control.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:21am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Yes, if it is happening already (national) what on earth has that got to do with labour. A bit like her stating we have the apprentices to come out of Tech for building. So who got them into apprenticeships and provided the training – National.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:23am
      - ztev
        
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        Oh so national gets the credit for ordinary stuff
        
        Yet during the big recession the mantra here was -” Governments dont create jobs”
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:26am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        As of July 2017, BCITO has 11,000 apprentices in training in construction-related trades; a record number.
        
        https://bcito.org.nz/news-and-publications/news/record-number-kiwis-trade-apprenticeships-encouraging/
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:50am
      - jcuk
        
        And who scrapped the apprentice scemes? National I think. “Think before you crow” comes to mind 🙂
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:28am
    - RF
      
      My maths might be shonky but 4 houses every 5 mts over an 8 hour day is 384.
      
      384 a day for a 5 day week is 1920. 52 weeks in a year equals labour building 99,840 houses in 12 months.
      
      There problem solved… I knew she could turn water into wine.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:12am
  - pdm
    
    Clark with long hair.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:24am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky,Nasty ,Senile.Thats you.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:46am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Old
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        Thassewe.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:21am
      - softail 1450
        
        ztev and grubby ,proof that the Internet is available in the nuthouse….
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Deep Fried Pie Piper nearby Hamilton
  
  Saved Gabby the effort
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:13am
- Gabby
  
  Who do you think you are kidding Mister Crusty,
  if you think old Bingles’ done?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:15am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    There you go again being nearly witty lol quite brought back the Dad’s Army tune.
    
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    September 11, 2017 4:09pm
- KevOB
  
  Taxinderella a manic revolutionary–dangerous and evil.
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:18am
PhilBest

It saddens me to say this, but Jacinda is the one talking common sense and basic economics, when she says that subsidy bribes to first home buyers just push house prices up some more when you have inelastic supply. National are completely shameless on this issue, to be offering harmful bribes like this one now, after 9 years of ineffectiveness on the underlying problem.
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- Paulus
  
  Jacinda does knows about Economics from the fish shop, otherwise she does not know shit from clay like Grant Robertson on the subject.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:11am
  - ztev
    
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    Careful what you say about qualifications of the possible Finance Ministers
    You do know that Joyce was a shocking student..but he did learn to lie while involved with national. First up was the great GST swindle on election funding, that was his baby to
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:29am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky Nasty Senile. Thats you.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:48am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Old
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        Thassewe.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:22am
    - Paulus
      
      Ztev
      
      As of now I have decided that I will neither respond to your crap at all.
      I will move on when I see your nomenclature.
      Am sure you will be happy with that.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:49am
      - softail 1450
        
        when walking through the farmyard of life we often come across things like ztev and grubby ,
        the trick is not to stand in them.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:54am
- Simon
  
  The causes of Auckland housing failure are open door immigration, Auckland Shitty land supply and other restrictions and RBNZ price fixing of low interest rates. (Because of a fundamentally chicken shit economy)
  
  National has directly caused Auckland housing problems. Now overnight they are almost out on their arses from seemingly no where.
  
  Arden is a mong. She won’t be able to deliver on Labo promises. She will be as popular as a turd in a swimming pool inside of 18 months. Like that clown in France. The problems are too fundamental for her to grasp.
  
  Expect interest rates to fall, rents to rise and the economy to slow.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:18am
  - brett68
    
    Why would interest rates fall?
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:23am
    - pdm
      
      More likely is:
      
      Higher Interest Rates
      Higher rents
      Rapidly rising inflation
      Strikes
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:27am
      - brett68
        
        Exactly, add higher petrol costs to the list
        
        I’d expect the NZ/USD to be around .50 within a short period of time.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:38am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’ve been looking for ‘work stoppage’ statistics. These are no longer published by stats, as MBIE have apparently taken over.
        
        MBIE published work stoppage stats in April of 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014… and then nothing since.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:42am
      - VicParking
        
        Imported products to rise. House costs will rise. Demand will fall. Labour will say they have fixed the housing problem
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:57am
      - Piniwi
        
        pdm.Like Taxinda’s list of taxes there are few items missing there which will be more “unintended consequence”. The falling value of the dollar will increase national debt made even worse as GDP falls. Even today she has signalled that the missing $11.7 billion is only the start. Quote from today.
        ‘ She conceded Labour would have to borrow more in the short term to pay to re-start contributions to the Super Fund, but said you could borrow at three (3) per cent and invest at 10 per cent. “It makes good sense.” Interest at 3% is a starting point but it will be a massive amount more than original amount when the dollar is in the 60s to the US$. This is classic Cullen thinking which is not unexpected since it is what would be fed to her from the party. Somebody has been filling this poor child with a lot of misinformation and most likely forgot to tell her about the loses the Cullen fund has sustained. Interest payments are locked in but returns are pure speculation.
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:26pm
  - tf78
    
    Len Brown caused the housing problem in Auckland – no one else, housing is permitted by local government not central. Just like regional council’s are responsible for the water quality. Stop blaming National for everything.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:24am
    - ztev
      
      Have you heard of SHA’s they were expressly created by national and auckland council- plenty of consents for new sections very little houses built.
      
      It was more profitable to get a consent and sit on the land and take massive rampups of the land price
      
      And when Nick Smith threatened to huff and puff on those sitting on SHA consents and doing nothing… well they blew back and Smith slunk away
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:33am
      - oldpark
        
        Ztev
        Cranky Nasty, Senile. Thats you.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:50am
      - PhilBest
        
        At least I have the integrity to say when someone I disagree with most of the time, is saying the right thing for a change. Ztev is spot on in this comment. Nick Smith might as well have been Michael Cullen, for all his instincts and curiosity about evidence-based economics.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:52am
      - tf78
        
        National bought SHA’s in because Auckland Council wouldn’t pull finger and release land for housing.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:28am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Its all very well having an SHA. Dealing with council is the problem. It always has been and always will be.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:33am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Old
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        September 11, 2017 9:39am
      - KevOB
        
        I hope you are not a labour advisor as if they have to deal with a GFC they will wishing they never got near government.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:38pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Bullshit again ztev. Auckland has blocked every move to stimulate house construction and the SHA have been ignored by them. It has prompted the new urban construction plan to bypass the RMA and get things moving despite ACC blocking progress. The regions are going gang busters as local bodies do their bit with the new SHA areas. The only limitation is finding construction workers. National say 50,000 more needed and Taxinda said 5000 in the second debate. It would not be half as bad if Labour had not rolled back the apprenticeship scheme. There are now 11,000 in apprenticeship training and a lot of those too are in the regions. You really do need to “hear” what Taxinda is saying and look beyond The Standard for facts.
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:39pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Government at the National level creates the enabling legislation for local government, and when the consequences start to obviously affect the macroeconomy, it is appalling negligence to do nothing effective for 9 years. Stop making excuses for one of the most disgraceful derelictions of duty at the national level, in NZ history.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:48am
      - PhilBest
        
        One of the best things any politician ever said on this issue, was “we can’t sit round and let a bunch of planners in an office in Auckland, wreck the macroeconomy”.
        
        That was Bill English a few years ago. I applauded this at the time.
        
        Was Bill wrong then? FFS you blind partisan unprincipled KB-ers make me sick.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:02am
    - VicParking
      
      Totally agree. Before the amalgimation the councils spent up on halls, libraries etc and stopped spending money on maintenance and infrastructure (pipes). Len should have spent money on this but didn’t because of his train set that he want’t to pkay with. This policy has come home to roost.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:03am
      - ztev
        
        Train passengers have doubled from 10 mill per year to 20 mill this year. Thats since 2013.
        Those people on trains arent on the roads. They will be buying extra trains early as the numbers will go through the roof once the CRL opens.
        Busiest single line in Perth is 60 mill pax per year, so we have a long way to go.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:30am
      - cmm
        
        “Train passengers have doubled from 10 mill per year to 20 mill this year. Thats since 2013.”
        
        So doubled this year or doubled since 2013?
        
        “Perth…” , where public transport usage is dropping off even with massive subsidies and a population of 2 million: http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wa-government-midyear-review-found-transperth-passenger-numbers-down/news-story/36359cb207e7e7dfc7cfbdb47329193a
        
        Oh dear ztev, normally you’re fact checking is better than that.
        
        You need high population density to make commuter trains work.
        
        And, btw, anything needing massive subsidies is NOT working.
        
        As I said a few days back, Auckland is at the awkward teen-ager stage – no longer small, but also not big enough to do grown-up stuff. If you want trains in Auckland then the city population needs to be built up to at least 2 million within a decade or two.
        
        Little cities like Wellington and Chch will probably never get there.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:46am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Indeed the toyboy is starting to look extremely out of his depth and the wifey can’t hold his hand when he has to meet with cabinet and other leaders.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:24am
    - suzieq
      
      She’s not his wife.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:51am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky,Nasty, Senile. Thats you .
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:47am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Aged
        Flatulent
        That is you.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Without massive immigration injecting 10’s of billions a year to the Auckland economy National would have been 1 or 2 term govt at best.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:23am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I’d emphasize the low interest rates. The major reason that most investors jumped into housing was that low interest rates created a bubble in asset prices and a lack of any returns in other investment options.
    
    Push up interest rates and the housing price bubble will burst, not that doesn’t bring its own problems.
    
    The key is that low rates (negative in some places !) were deliberately introduced to deal with other economic issues, but no policy is free of side-effects. Asset bubbles are one of the downsides of low rates. And having something like a capital gains tax makes little or no difference to the bubble, both Australia and Canada have CGT’s and both have had housing bubbles at least as bad or worse than Auckland/NZ. NZ has a de facto CGT in the IRD rules anyway.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:26pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Bang on Ed Snack. The whole equation starts at the level of inflation with the RBNZ targeting a 1-2% band. The unintended consequences of Taxinda’s new taxes will have a devastating inflationary effect. The economy like the election is on a knife edge and even today Taxinda states quite candidly the Cullen fund will be restarted WITH MORE BORROWING. So the $11.7 billion gap just got boosted again and that is in the first 100 days. Even with the potential billions that will be added to taxes their borrowing will make that look like chump change. That is if we do not see even more taxes that they have not revealed. The starry eyed students might get “free” tertiary education but they will be paying for big time for a long time after they get to wear a cap and gown.
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:56pm
- Happychappy
  
  PhilBest your allowed a opinion like all of us so go vote for her if you think National are shameless and done nothing in nine years I don’t really care as as the saying goes you get the Government you deserve.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:27am
  - PhilBest
    
    Absolutely true, an NZ in which ACT had at least 20 seats, would be one that didn’t have this problem and didn’t deserve the hell to pay, that is coming down the track by around 2024.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:50am
    - Happychappy
      
      The problem you and Hugh forget to address is that it is happening all over the world and Labour through Andrew Little highlighted it by using people that had been evicted from homes and had no chance of getting one others followed the leader thinking they would get better house’s at cheaper rents. So then that left people wanting to rent the opportunity to get a house to rent creating lots of beneficiaries with no house and homeless.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:28am
      - KevOB
        
        When a political party believes its PR spinners where do they go for actual policy?
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    Have heard from Ohope where the intrepid Michael call me Sir, Cullen lives that he is unable to report on the Edgecumbe flood disaster as he is now working with Grant and Helen to assist Cindy and does not have the time to do what he undertook.
    After all he was the finest Minister of Finance in the world according to Helen.
    He left the country in recession by a country mile before the GF happened in the USA.
    And bought a railway for 4 times its value with $billions to put it right.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:55am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Bill English this morning repeated how important it also is that more are built. So both: help for first home buyers and more houses.
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:40pm
  - mikenmild
    
    And you think giving $70 million more to first homebuyers will help affordability?
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:45pm
artemisia

So Mr Peters wants to Know Labour tax policy. Preferably before the election (two shows of that) but definitely afterwards if Labour wish to enter into talks with NZ First.

He says if Labour knows what is being exempted, they must know what is on the table.

Game changer.
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- BlueGriffon
  
  Winston wants to know but when he finds out, will he tell us?
  
  I need to know NOW how much land tax I will need to pay on my rental. Is it 5K or could it be 15K. How many people could this put under water? They seem to want to punish speculators, non-NZers and Chinese, I am neither of those.
  
  Oh and Cindy, you are not youth adjacent. You are Gen X and just missed out on being a millennial so stop the bullshit.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:15am
  - brett68
    
    This my generation bullshit is really chaffing my balls, shit she’s on the downward slide to fucking 40.
    
    The way the media is acting she’s this hip young thing somewhere in her 20’s, not someone pushing middle age.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:44am
    - GazzaW
      
      Mutton dressed up as lamb is how my old grandmother would have described her. I’d love the millennials to see her first thing in the morning. They might just change their views on whether or not Jacinda is one of their generation.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:52am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Gazza, don’t you know that the Millennials love horror flicks… they might just rejoice if they saw her in the morning…
        
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        September 11, 2017 12:21pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        LOL, and we’re not being sexist, because we’d say the same about any fortyish male pushing the ‘I’m so young’ propaganda.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:44pm
    - KevOB
      
      Count her teeth to check her age.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:43pm
      - RF
        
        When you have finished counting let Trump know as they will be needed for an extension in his Mexican wall.
        
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        September 11, 2017 5:32pm
- VicParking
  
  If the MSM keep asking them to rule out tax items they wont have anything for their “Cabal” to discuss.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:06am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Post of Deputy PM and Foreign Minister. Winston can be bought.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:44pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    The irony of Winston asking for details up front just exploded my bullshit meter.
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:28pm
MT_Tinman

My habit has been to vote ACT and waste my electorate vote by giving it to the local National cannon fodder.

This election, due to some strange utterings by the sole ACT MP, I was open to ideas and prepared to change if another party came up with anything I saw as good for NZ.

Instead all I’ve seen is three left wing parties competing to give away my money to no-bloody-hopers.

Disillusioned does not cover it.

I shall vote ACT.
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September 11, 2017 8:08am
- VicParking
  
  A Tinman voting for the TinMan the Lion and the Scarecrow all rolled into one.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:08am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    If I remember the story correctly, neither the wizard nor the witch were decent alternatives.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:29am
krazykiwi

Taxcinder is a rather poor liar:

Ardern has said there will be no decisions until after a yet-to-be-established expert group made recommendations on tax reform during Labour’s first term.

Ardern says that [the following election] is too long to wait, given the pressing need to tackle the housing crisis that is locking New Zealanders out of owning a home.

She has made clear a capital gains tax or land tax would not be applied to the family home, and has said income taxes won’t increase.

Translation: I haven’t made a decision, but here’s the ‘problem’, here’s rationale CGT, here’s the timetable, and here’s how it it will be designed.

Why is she so dishonest?
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September 11, 2017 8:14am
- pdm
  
  She said this morning that Michael (Tax the Rich Pricks) Cullen would be a good choice for her tax working group.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:46am
  - Prince
    
    Do you mean this Michael Cullen..
    ” I am proud of the fact that my secondary education was not paid for by the taxpayers of New Zealand but by the farmers of Canterbury and Hawke’s Bay. I ripped them off for 5 years then, and I shall get stuck into them again in the next few years”.
    
    Looks like Labour and the Greens will get stuck into farmers next term.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    She’s talking BULLSHIT. It is a family home is no longer, when the owner dies.
    It’s a DEAD GRANNY TAX. Few homes will have the children still living with the parents to get around that.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:44am
  - KevOB
    
    He’s a dealer in trains.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:45pm
  - Piniwi
    
    pdm do you have a link or reference? He must be involved already as she will “borrow to restart the payments to the Cullen fund”.
    
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    September 11, 2017 3:13pm
- VicParking
  
  Because if she told the truth nobody would vote for her.
  Can I suggest the president of Venezuela for her Cabal. I here he will be shortly looking for a new home.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Dear Jacinda
  
  Why should I buy your tax policy?
  
  If I was buying a car, I’d expect to be able to look at the car before I buy it. I doubt anyone would pay for a car not knowing whether they are going to get a new Toyota or a banged up Trabant.
  
  Now for many of us, tax is a bigger financial transaction over a 3 year term than buying a car. Heck, I could buy new top end Audi/mid-range Mercedes for that amount.
  
  I certainly wouldn’t do that without having a test drive and looking at the small print, so why should we vote for tax policies that have not been worked out yet?
  
  So why
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:04am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    We won’t but others might if they have nothing to lose or have stardust in their eyes.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:51pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Why should I buy your tax policy?
    
    Those don’t plan to vote for her won’t switch if they see it
    
    … and …
    
    Those planning to vote for her have no idea what tax policy is, let alone what it means for them.
    
    No one in the media is putting the blowtorch on Taxcinda, save for a few limp articles to point at should their bias be raised.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    Magna Carta was triggered when those who had means found it impossible when the state could take as it pleased and even ruin them.
    
    Taxes require consent of the governed–no details means no mandate.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:51pm
starboard

Mouldy language week..we gona ram it right down your throat.

” Tin of cocoa..tin of cocoa”
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September 11, 2017 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  If you don’t speak Maori you will be left behind, I heard one person say on Garner. Left behind what?
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Bike sheds?
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:44am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The gravy train leading to the troughs.
    
    How many of those participating in the march in Wellington, said to be expected to be 5,000, are there on their own dime? How many not in some paid government department (to include bennes) or local body capacity?
    
    Maybe 2 who are tourists and actually have no idea what is going on.
    
    #IdontgiveafuckaboutastoneagedialectbutIdocareaboutthe$60millionitcostsannualy
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:47am
  - VicParking
    
    Left behind in the 19th century
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    Expect Maori to become like French in Canada.
    
    If you can’t speak French fluently, then forget any government job. Of course your English can be completely crap – that does not matter.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:06am
    - Jack5
      
      CMM, but French is also a prominent international language, and fewer than one-sixteenth of Canadians are bilingual.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:11am
      - cmm
        
        Like L&P world famous in France.
        
        I deal with people all over the world on the phone using English. The only people I’ve really struggled to communicate with are the French.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:28pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        The Germans had the same issue a couple of times earlier but I think they have resolved that now . . . . .
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        French is an official language in 29 countries plus another few assorted territories. All up they have a population of about 435 million people.
        
        So French is a bit more useful for the traveller than Maori is.
        
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        September 11, 2017 4:16pm
    - KevOB
      
      Maori is not fit for modern NZ general use.
      Consideration should be given to the borrowing of Maori from English and what should be the charge.
      Pakeha have rights too.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:54pm
  - RF
    
    I blame Capt James Cook.
    
    He put us in this mess. Great pity he landed here.
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:23am
    - starboard
      
      ..and he gave them a bloody receipt, that rag the TOW.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:44am
      - RF
        
        Wasn’t that Hobson’s choice…..
        
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        September 11, 2017 7:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Kia ra pai tenei mou.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:32am
- mikenmild
  
  Kia ora, starboard. Kei te pehea koe
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:30am
- itstricky
  
  we gona ram it right down your throat
  
  Ahhh, that time of year again where the cops come around to your house, handcuff you up, and smack you with batons until you say ‘kia ora’.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:43am
- Fletch
  
  Tin of cocoa in Kaitaia.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:21pm
oldpark

There she was the “commie chic” Ardern with the tears of a clown talking suicide. What type of hypocricy on show here. the same Ardern who models herself on the South America Terrorist Che Guevara,racist and murderer.Also admires the dead Chinese Dictator,Mao Tse-Tung responsible for the death of millions of Chinese,with failed enforced Agricultural Policies.
There is talk of if, her Lie-bour/Green mafias get elected .There will be a new Government Department ,for suicide watch. Watching how many NZs commit suicide with the punitive stressful naked assault on the backbone of our economy the Farming community.That will just be part of it. Starting with the alleged Inheritance Tax(Dead Granny Tax) etc ,etc etc. What a web Ardern and Lie-bour/Green Party are planning. Interest rate increases,unemployment ,massive suicides high tax rates. All being copied in the image of Mao Tse-Tung,and her school girl hero, terrorist and murderer Che Guevara.
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September 11, 2017 8:17am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Would have thought that Stalin would be a favourite of hers too, considering how she is targeting the Kulaks (farmers).
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    You mean Lenin.
    
    He was the one who really stuck it to the Kulaks: “bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine”
    
    So kill off the Kulaks and everyone starves. Great thinking.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:10am
- mikenmild
  
  Now, now oldpark, or old fart. or whoever you are. When you try the association fallacy, you should at least add in Stalin, PolPot and Kim Jong-un.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:31am
  - Kimbo
    
    Fair point. Is there a communist version of Godwin’s law? 😉
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:39am
  - oldpark
    
    Thanks for the advice meathead, or is it shit head either will do . You left out Fidel Castro.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:52am
- KevOB
  
  Is Taxinderella subconsciously modelling Che?
  She gone revolutionary without need for one.
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:57pm
Dave Mann

Today marks 16 years since the 9/11 attacks on America which caused 3000 deaths, 6000 injuries and $10 billion in infrastructure damage in the name of Allah, Mohammed and the religion of peace.

Fucking Muslim scum.
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September 11, 2017 8:18am
- ztev
  
  Trump made KSA his first overseas visit, he loved the Sheikhs sword dance and was 100% behind the ones in robes
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:36am
  - oldpark
    
    Ztev
    Cranky,Nasty, Senile .Thats You.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:52am
    - Gabby
      
      Old Fart
      Ancient
      Gas Bloated
      Such is your lot.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:30pm
- kowtow
  
  Saudi Arabia should be on that list of terror countries with no visas to the US.
  
  Note AJ running the story , no love lost between terrorist supporting Qatar and terrorist supporting Saudi Arabia.
  
  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/saudi-embassy-funded-911-dry-run-report-170909223532351.html
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:56am
- mikenmild
  
  How’s that war on terror coming along now?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:32am
- Fletch
  
  A new report says that the Saudi govt may have funded a dry run for 9/11.
  
  Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.
  
  Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.
  
  The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.
  
  http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/
  
  [edit] snap, kowtow.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:25pm
Huevon

The Stuff editors have announced that they will now use “macrons” in all Maori – sorry, Māori – spelling.

Prepare for the beatings if you get your “macrons” mixed up.

Reason #256 why Māori is a dying language….people who purport to speak are pretentious wankers.
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September 11, 2017 8:19am
- Dave Mann
  
  Maori ‘spelling’? Excuse me? They didn’t even have written language, so how could they have’ spelling’? Idiots.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:27am
  - itstricky
    
    didn’t
    
    Being the operative word.
    
    30 years ago you didn’t have ‘The Internet’, or probably even ‘A Computer’ so it’s a God given miracle you can actually now type your spew and post it to the world.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:50am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Wrong. It’s not a ‘God given miracle’. Its the product of an intelligent civilisation’s drive to develop, communicate and improve. Same sort of thing as building wheels, architecture, mathematics…… all created through human achievement, not God given miracles at all.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:04am
      - mikenmild
        
        You don’t think the ability to write Maori is a human achievement?
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:08am
      - BananaLlama
        
        It wasn’t a Maori Achievement.
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    Neither did English.
    Idiot.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:10am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    A few thousand years ago no-one on the planet had a written language, and yet, mystery of mysteries, now they just about all do. One pictures Dave Mann’s equivalent of Chaucer’s era berating him that English wasn’t a written language a few centuries ago so how could it have spelling? Idiots indeed.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:10am
    - Dave Mann
      
      In the 18th century there were very few ‘cultures’ which were so primitive as to not have developed as far as writing (let alone the wheel and all the other basics of life). Without writing, no ‘culture’ has a shit chance of achieving anything of value, which was one of the reasons the Maoris of the day so enthusiastically embraced European civilisation – and good on both the Maoris and the colonists for working together to build a country which became the envy of the world in many ways.
      
      Its only now that stupid backward looking elements of society are idolising and glorifying what was essentially a stagnant stone age society which had made virtually no progress towards anything whatsoever.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:29am
      - itstricky
        
        You’d better quickly work out whether you are calling them a “stagnant stone age society” or “a society that worked together with Europeans to build a country that became the envy of the world”
        
        Otherwise you make it sound like you’re bitter that they weren’t fully assimilated.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:39am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Have a read of Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs and Steel” for an understanding of how geography and isolation/contact with other cultures affect a society’s progress. There’s nothing inherently inferior about Maori culture.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:15am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Guns Germs and Steel
        
        White_Man_Riding_A_Giraffe.jpg
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:52pm
    - Jack5
      
      Psycho Milt notes “A few thousand years ago no-one on the planet had a written language”.
      
      About 5000 years to the first we know of.
      
      But that doesn’t stop writing being a marker of development – as, for example, are the discovery and use of the wheel and the move from using stone to using metals.
      
      Psycho Milt also quotes Jared Diamond. Careful, Psycho, the anthropologists’ promotion of multiculturism entails equality between the cultures of say, the Greeks and the Chinese, with the culture of PNG tribes who ate human brains and died of laughing disease.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:27am
      - mikenmild
        
        Interesting that you mention PNG. As Diamond notes, New Guinea was one of the rare places in the world where a society independently developed agriculture. Not that Diamond promotes ‘multiculturalism’ – he is just interested in explaining why geography is so important in understanding why societies flourish and fail.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:39am
      - Jack5
        
        PNG is really multicultural, Milky. They speak about 850 languages. Couldn’t even have a day of the year each for national language promotion.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:46am
- alex Masterley
  
  Where the fuck did macrons come from?
  Jesus wept there are some intelectually pretentious arse holes out there.
  Most people, me included, look at the things and think intellectual fuckwittery.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:33am
  - ztev
    
    Macaroons ?
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:36am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky,Nasty, Senile .Thats you.
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:54am
      - Gabby
        
        Old Fart
        Seen Better Days Long Ago
        Producer of Billowing Methane Clouds
        You’re It.
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:34pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Like a pouty teenager going vegetarian to make life harder for the parents the maori macron push is entirely about trying to make the dominant culture jump through hoops. There is no other reason or justification for it, it makes no difference to the way it is read or pronounced.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:32am
  - mikenmild
    
    To help you, alex, perhaps I could explain that the macrons over letter indicate a lengthened vowel sound. You could always spell it Maaori, if you prefer.
    As for pretentious, I assume you are similarly upset when people spell fiancée as ‘fiancee’, or schön as ‘schon’.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:36am
    - Huevon
      
      Reason #257 why Mæôrí is a dying language…mikenmild
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:38am
      - mikenmild
        
        Que diablos, Señor Huevon?
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:50am
    - starboard
      
      Depends on which poor sap is having to speak it and what the latest trend is. Maardi, Mayori, Marry, I prefer Mouldy… and a couple of other gems which, if said, would get me banned from KB forever..muwhahahaha!
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:09am
  - itstricky
    
    Where the fuck did macrons come from?
    
    Just for you:
    
    after all, the Māori Language Commission has now been advocating the use of macrons for 30 years.
    
    Did you know Dave Mann didn’t have The Internet back then – 30 years ago? Surprising how far he has come, isn’t it?
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:01am
    - Paulus
      
      Personal Computer are just 30 years old let alone the Internet.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:08am
      - itstricky
        
        Yes, that was the point. See above.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Nope Paulus, first personal computers (you bought them in kitsets) were available 42 years ago.
        
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        September 11, 2017 11:42am
    - Jack5
      
      The macron seems to have been used first in Ancient Greek and Roman verse to mark syllable length.
      
      Sometimes its used under a letter. If you want to see how many languages use macrons:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron_(diacritic)
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        The Russians have two adjacent letters in their alphabet, e and ё. Russians know the difference in pronunciation and typically only e is printed for both. Russians know from experience how to pronounce it as “e” or “ё” (something like yeah and yaw).
        
        For foreigners not proficient or comfortable in Russian (and perhaps for Russian children), however, publishers and printers use both e and ё.
        
        Why couldn’t Maori do the same? For New Zealanders, who with coming compulsory learning will all know the correction pronunciation of the word, leave it at “Maori”. Just use the macron when the word is in material for foreigners and for kids learning the language and needing help in pronunciation.
        
        Better still, reform the English language version of Maori words: Make it Ma-ori or better still Ma-oree; and so on.
        
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        September 11, 2017 4:28pm
  - Gabby
    
    French must really fuck you right off then.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:06am
    - itstricky
      
      If you thought French was bad, just imagine the profanities of Alex and Dave when they come to Vietnamese:
      
      http://www.webtretho.com/
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:33am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Failed it in the fourth form!
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:04am
- Tarquin North
  
  Well put Huevon, the politically correct police are on their way round to take you to the re-education (brainwashing) centre.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:37am
  - itstricky
    
    Ah, the cops with the handcuffs and the batons have been. I knew it was some time soon. I’m sure starboard has some barricading equipment if you want to prepare your house for next time.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:46am
- itstricky
  
  Prepare for the beatings if you get your “macrons” mixed up.
  
  Have the cops with the handcuff and batons already been to your place?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    itstricky,
    
    How do you make italic text on KB? I would like to know.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:15am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Here you go sir
      
      https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
      
      Note: Kiwiblog uses strike instead of delete. All tags must be closed unless you intend the text to remain that way all the way through. To close a tag use the tag with / before the command but inside the “” brackets
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:22am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        domo, arigato gozaimasu
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:24am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I lost the ability to comment –
        To close a tag use the symbol / before the command but inside the opening and closing brackets
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:28am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Odakyu-sen says
        
        Odakyu-sen
        
        domo, arigato gozaimasu
        Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0 REPORT SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 10:24AM
        
        Tis my pleasure, to be sure.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:33am
    - Fletch
      
      <i>my text</i> = my text
      <strike>my text</strike> = ~~my text~~
      <b>my text</b> = my text
      <blockquote>my text</blockquote> =
      
      my text
      
      I wrote a little macro to automate this process (download at link) –
      
      https://www.sendspace.com/file/saneuu
      
      And how it works (clearest view at 720p etc) –
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaqK98JdKR4
      
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      September 11, 2017 12:39pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  What pretentious foreign wanker language do people purport to speak where you come from, Huevon?
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:01am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The English language doesn’t use macrons. It is unnatural to pepper your text with foreign language words if your language already has them.
  
  Virtue signalling. Nothing more.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:13am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    On the other hand, when writing in Te Reo the use of macrons to indicate the long vowels comes into its own. I have no problem with the use of the Roman alphabet to express a language that lacks its own written characters.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:43am
- lifesgood
  
  Like that idiot Espiner who goes on and on and on in Maori for endless minutes on Nat Radio in the morning. Question…how many maori listen to Nat Radio? Not many, I bet, so why this pretentiousness. Listen up, Espiner, you are talking a foreign language to an audience who don’t understand it. It is just annoying.
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:13pm
- KevOB
  
  What Maori lingo? It’s often bastardised English or the variant bastardised Maori.
  Is there to be a return to glottal stops being marked too?
  
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  September 11, 2017 2:01pm
Sarkozygroupie

Courtesy of the Spinoff, a very telling timeline of events and interactions with the senior management team of the Joanne Harrison/Transport fraud:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Timeline-of-events-revised-July-10-1.pdf
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September 11, 2017 8:20am
- ztev
  
  That will all come out after the election- more egg on nationals face as they are now implicated in the cover up by refusing to release the final report.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:41am
  - oldpark
    
    Ztev
    Cranky ,Nasty, Senile. Thats you.
    
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    September 11, 2017 8:55am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Oldpark and uptickers, you are demeaning this blog and yourself; and if I were ztev, I would be delighted to see you resorting to mindless knee-jerk abuse rather than actual argumentation to refute his points.
      
      The Left does it, and we rightly deride them for it. It’s not different when the right does it.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:24am
      - oldpark
        
        @Albert Ross
        Take your point,Except why should ratbags like ZTEV,MILKENMILD, as well as the psycho called GABBY ,dominate and denigrate most of the blogs. My opinion surely is just as revelant as the mentioned bunch of losers and no hopers.
        WO Blog is keen on moderators on some bloggers and let others have their say. Perhaps you could apply for the moderators job on Kiwiblog.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:07am
      - mikenmild
        
        oldpark is today’s winner of the lack of self-awareness prize for his explanation that personal abuse is not okay except when it’s directed by him to people he does not like.
        What a stupid old fuckwit.
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:10am
    - mikenmild
      
      Old, parked up and senile.
      But that’s just him.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:37am
  - niggly
    
    Stop lying – that committee also included Labour (and NZF) MP’s who all agreed not to release the final report, also because it was unfinished when the AG (Mathews) hastily resigned.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336404/auditor-general-resigns-over-fraud-investigation
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:02am
  - Prince
    
    I hope the report does come out.
    David Carter should be ashamed of the old boys club behaviour he promoted here.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:17am
Nigel Kearney

I’m over Maori language week already. Two points:

1. The macron is unnecessary. Every Maori is absolutely familiar with the concept of words having the same spelling but different pronunciation, because they use such words many times a day in English.

2. It is very common for place names to have a different English pronunciation. If people are speaking English and someone starts pronouncing Paris, Berlin, or Mexico the way it is pronounced in its original language, others will most likely think that person sounds like a pretentious git. The same applies to Taupo or Whangarei.
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September 11, 2017 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  re point #2, the Finns call, and have always called, their country Suomi.
  
  It’s important to them. But they recognise that the rest of the world calls their home by the Swedish name of Finland.
  
  And they’re ok with that.
  
  No anger. No language commissions. No umbrage.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:29am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    English absorbs Japanese words (typically) in three steps.
    1. Use of a literal translation. Example “balls of vinegared rice with raw fish toppings”
    2. Loan of the Japanese word, but in italics. Example: sushi
    3. Once the loanword has “bedded into” English, the italicization is dropped and the term is now regarded as an English word. Example: sushi
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:28am
- G152
  
  Just buy a world map in France or Germany and spend some hours getting used to the different names of towns, cities and countries and the pronunciation of those names.
  Or try to make sense of English place names when the locals say them 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:35am
  - tf78
    
    I’ve got a 1957 Webster’s Dictionary Encyclopedia – it’s fascinating to see how many countries have changed their names since then.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:35am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Sixty years is a long time in global politics…
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:34am
- starboard
  
  Wait until the weather report on TV one tonight..all those funny place names in stone age language. Can’t wait to see the presenter’s face and mouth go into a wild series of contortions as they try so hard to please their PC masters.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:14am
  - jcuk
    
    Simple … don’t watch/listen. I gave up TV during the run up to the world cup before last one as I hate football[rugby]
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:03am
- VicParking
  
  Or Wanganui
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:15am
- Huevon
  
  You need to understand that Máõrï is not actually about communication. It’s main purpose is virtue signalling and proving your leftie creds. Hence why it would be dead without massive taxpayer subsidies.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:37am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    For Huevon, English is not actually about communication. If it were, he would be able to distinguish between its and it’s, and know that “hence why” is a tautology.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:14am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Psycho, that was a bit brutal…
      
      …good shot, though…
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:47am
- mikenmild
  
  The accent is unnecessary in written French. Every French person is absolutely familiar with the concept of pronunciation. So, education French people are now dropping the acute and grave accents. No more fiancée or liberté, égalité, fraternité for them. Nor that awkward circumflex.
  Fuckwit.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:41am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    What about the cedilla in garcon.
    I can’t find it on my computer.
    
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    September 11, 2017 3:43pm
- cmm
  
  I can understand them getting a bit annoyed, but then they surely don’t want our filthy money either.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:15am
- Gabby
  
  Sos the apostrophe, but were stuck with the bloody thing.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:20am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Well done Gabby
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:27pm
- KevOB
  
  The pronunciation of Maori is a hoot. The ‘o’ even on TV commonly comes out as though it is found on a foot. Taupo kiwimaori is a towering chamber pot.
  
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  September 11, 2017 2:08pm
BlueGriffon

Can’t wait to see how Cindy handles APEC in November. We are going to be an international laughing stock. The Aussies are already sniggering at us.

TWO TICKS BLUE (Come on in Gabby…)
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September 11, 2017 8:25am
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t worry, we will be represented Sir Winston Peters, ONZ, KG, Co-Prime Minster of the National/NZF government.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:42am
- cmm
  
  She will have some shitty excuse like: If they want to talk to her they should all come to New Zealand.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:17am
- Gabby
  
  She’ll give them nice embossed certificates of citizenship.
  
  TULIXPU
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:22am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Poor Gabby.
    Every time he shits his pants he puts his fingers in it and licks them.
    
    The first time to check if it’s chocolate, the second time because he likes the taste.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:49am
    - Gabby
      
      Poor Ball Bag. That one time he used the zipper all by himself he took his cods right off. A small matter.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:39pm
  - rangitoto
    
    SheTaxU
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:38pm
Scott

On the subject of Kiwis doing well in sports – a big shout out to Michael Venus who got to the final of the mixed doubles at the US open! This is after winning the men’s doubles title at the French Open with his American partner.

Good to see Kiwis doing well in tennis again. A good story sadly under covered by the local media.
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September 11, 2017 8:29am
- mikenmild
  
  Covered on the TV news. Which is okay, as the doubles events at the grand slam do not normally rate a mention in our media.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:43am
- Gabby
  
  God we even have to import doubles partners.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:23am
  - Scott
    
    I’m just pleased to see a Kiwi doing well on the international stage in tennis, whether it be singles doubles or mixed doubles. Apparently Michael Venus and his mixed doubles partner got to share $75,000 for making the final, a good payday for a hard-working professional.
    
    There was a time of course when we had a number of tennis players in the top hundred – Onny Parun, Brian Fairlie and Chris Lewis come to mind. The epic Davis cup matches against Australia and India with Parun and Fairlie representing New Zealand and the appearance of Chris Lewis playing John McEnroe in the Wimbledon final are great tennis memories.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:44am
    - Gabby
      
      Vijay Armitraj!!
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:43pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Governments fault? Bill’s particularly.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:10pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I am pleased you posted that RM; it demonstrates that we have matured politically and stopped blaming John Key for everything that turns out to be a turd in a sandwich.
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:04pm
oldpark

The every day aaaw broadcast every day by the NZ Herald owned Newstalk Zb,as well as their daily news hits infavour of Lie-bour/Green mafias .Their newsroom is full of Trade Union biased Lie-bour /Green Party sycophants.
One of the worst comments heard is this.
A child with an voice to make people listen or cringe. “Mummy why has that child got no lunch and wants mine”. Mummy fails to tell the child the reason.
The answer should be if the biased N Z Herald told the truth. The mother the same. Reasons for no lunch is because of parent neglect and they also choose to be a parent like me ,They prefer to bludge off the system ,being propped up by bleeding hearts instead of being told about their responsibilities. Why should us as listeners be exposed daily to such negitave brainwashing by the worse than useless and biased Mainstream Media.Who daily deliver fake news.
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September 11, 2017 8:32am
- tf78
  
  It’s not fake news it’s blatant lies.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:08am
- Happychappy
  
  You only had to look and listen to the questions and answers with the media on Larry’s ZB show with Jacinda this morning. Barry Soper asking all the patsy questions that the Labour Leader had obviously given him so there was nothing that was not easy to answer, what a joke 90% of Journalists are in NZ.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:08am
  - Kimbo
    
    Barry Soper asking all the patsy questions that the Labour Leader had obviously given him…
    
    You know that emphatic adverb, “obviously” is a rhetorical shill, don’t you? 😉
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:45am
    - Happychappy
      
      Thanks Kimbo as a person that is not that good putting words and paragraphs together I tend to write it as I see it and suffer the consequences after I have posted. Maybe a touch bias sometimes also.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:12am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, don’t be hard on yourself. Your writing style is good. As also is your capacity for reflection, self-analysis and critique. Not sure everyone around here is going to make it through the election in a similar state! 😉
        
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        September 11, 2017 10:16am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    An hour wasn’t it, I hope it was classified as a party political broadcast, when Is Bill’s hour?
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:22am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  It’s a democracy and if you don’t like it you don’t have to listen, hope this helps. You don’t think the term ‘negative brainwashing’ could apply to your post?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:41am
  - Happychappy
    
    If Mike Hosking had been the one asking the question they the left would be calling for him to be sacked and a petition to have him removed from any future opportunity. It is only wrong if a right leaning Journalist does it.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:18pm
EAD_TWO

This, the 16th anniversary of 9/11, it’s worth laying the facts of the matter on the table to judge whether or not this was a terrorist attack or an inside job:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/09/pessimism-i-rest-my-case.html?m=0

The main 4 points from Savants article:

1. The collapse of WTC7, the only steel framed building in history for which fire – and a very small fire at that – was allegedly the sole cause of its collapse. This preposterous explanation, taken to its logical conclusion would result in all such buildings throughout the country being closed down. None were. (And the collapse was described in graphic detail by the BBC twenty minutes before it happened!).

2. That Larry Silverstein, despite his “pull it” (a common term for a demolition) admission live on TV has never been called on to even explain his remark, let alone been charged with mass murder.

3. That the ‘dancing Israelis’, subsequently revealed to be Mossad operatives, openly admitted they were present on the day ‘to record the event’. Self-evidently they knew it was going to take place yet they were released by US authorities while the Israeli Government were never called on to explain their role.

4. And one of my own favorites, the ‘terrorist passport’, miraculously surviving the plane explosion and subsequently found in perfect condition in the midst of thousands of tons of smoldering rubble.

Most people look at this evidence and, knowing that it is all correct will mentally reject it for to agree with it, would shatter their illusion of “democracy” and “America being the good guys” as all being nothing but a kabuki theatre designed to pull the wool over their eyes to hide them from the truth.

“Most people would rather die than think and many of them do!” – Bertrand Russell
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September 11, 2017 8:33am
- ztev
  
  The fire didnt cause the WTC collapse on its own , the floors pancaked from the levels where the fire plus the immense structural damage from the plane impact occurred.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:12am
- Victor Omega
  
  The real question that people like this are asking is “how can I make this about me?” The best thing to do is ignore them.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:14am
- Dave Mann
  
  Quite right EAD. And there’s a full exposé of all the filthy jooz’ plans for world domination here:
  
  http://www.filthy_bad_jews.com
  
  On this site you can find incontrovertible evidence of how the Jews were responsible for the black death, the loss of the Tiddlywinks World Cup by America in 1929 and the Cambodian genocide.
  
  Its all there for everyone to see! Why won’t people open their eyes and minds and accept the truth? I’m with you on this. Keep up the vital work, Mein Kapitän.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:22am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Oh God no! I clicked on the link and it’s been blocked by Mosssad! There… that PROVES there’s something very sinister going on…. OMG!
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:27am
    - Kimbo
      
      …and they killed Bobby Fischer! 😉
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:45am
  - mandk
    
    Hi Dave
    Please don’t insult EAD.
    He likes to be known as the Sturmbannfuhrer.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:30am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He’s also the de-facto world leader of the Conspiracy Theorists Foundation.
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:39am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Allegedly
        
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        September 11, 2017 2:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    Nutters. Almost as bad as the absurd stories about the Germans trying to rule the world.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:27pm
- mikenmild
  
  Well, we know that the Jews were behind 9/11, started WWII and precipitated the GFC, EAdolf. But what we want to know is what a ‘modern’ national socialist like you would have us do to solve the Jewish problem.
  The volk need answers!
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:46am
- realityczech
  
  Report: Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel
  According to Ma’ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is ‘benefiting from attack’ as it ‘swung American public opinion.’
  read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:25pm
- Scorpion
  
  It has never happened in the past
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
  
  NEVER
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
  
  EVER
  
  and will never EVER
  HAPPEN again it IS NOT
  Just them
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/ever-growing-list-admitted-false-flag-attacks
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:40pm
Cunningham

Listening to the newstalk ZB leaders breakfast has been hugely frustrating. It’s about 60% advertisements for a start but also she is once again getting a free ride. She completely dives questions and is not held to account. Where is the question on whether the water tax will be spent on roading (as Parker suggested it might be)? Where is the questions on whether she will have a zero budget outside of health/education? Where are the specific examples she should answer on land tax/capital gains tax? Where’s the questions on the ETS where people are complaining about a complete lack of detail? I can think of many more questions. Why are people not asking her to answer specific questions like this? I just can’t believe we are sleepwalking our way to electing someone without putting the pressure on them for their incredibly vague ‘policy’
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September 11, 2017 8:37am
- tf78
  
  Did I hear correctly that she said a family home even if it is in a trust would not be taxed – or was that just wishful thinking.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:37am
  - Cunningham
    
    Who would know. It’s bloody farcical!
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:16pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Take it as ‘wishful thinking’. She seems to regard Trusts at the ‘family’ level as being devices for fat cats.
    
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    September 11, 2017 3:46pm
G152

All media, reporters and the outlets they work for should have to declare their biases at least once a year.
Then we’d see which the customers prefer
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September 11, 2017 8:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  There was some kind of media watch program on Red Radio on Sunday morning. I caught part of it while in the car.
  
  There was some discussion about the need for balance in reporting political stories.
  
  I couldn’t believe my ears. Was this finally someone in the MSM having a go at the undeniably biased coverage lifting Taxcinda’s profile?
  
  Those hopes were dashed within seconds as the presenter went after Hooten for shameless pro-National, right-wing bias.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  Easy – do not buy either any NZME paper or Fairfax.
  Ignore RNZ and TVNZ
  – they are all hypocrites as we are seeing daily.
  QED.
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:13am
brett68

Who thinks Fairfax and NZME are going to be allowed to merge if Labour gets elected?
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September 11, 2017 8:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, very likely.
  
  We need some MSM balance. Large Act/Nats donors could collaborate establish Fox NZ to counter the long march of socialism through our media.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:58am
  - brett68
    
    Go have a look at both NZ Herald and Stuff right now and tell me they haven’t done a deal with Labour.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:02am
    - ztev
      
      The swivel eyed loons have taken over KB.
      
      Their sceeching and flapping is something to behold
      
      Its now a UNESCO wildlife sanctuary
      
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      September 11, 2017 9:14am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        UN seems to be going long fine without Helen
        
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        September 11, 2017 1:13pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Sorry, but the best the Nat/ACT donor could come up with was the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’. An actual media outlet is beyond them.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:01am
MrTips

Anyone with a brain can see this coming. Watkins and co have a sniff of it too and that is why they ban any comments about it on Stuff.

Ever since Helen did the journo’s work for them (starting 1999) and created so many PR positions the new nascently forming Pravda has been alive and well.
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September 11, 2017 9:02am
- Ross12
  
  Won’t a merger mean quite a few journalist’s jobs going ?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:18am
  - MrTips
    
    The jobs are doomed anyway. Having a Labour led govt gives them somewhere to go – and at better pay as well.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:35am
    - Happychappy
      
      Well they will need those with no jobs to plant them billions of trees. Reminds me of the 1950’s/ 60’s when the school children of NZ planted them.
      
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      September 11, 2017 10:50am
kowtow

What is it with green types and wanting to wreck economic prosperity?

‘Small but fast-growing Green party, which is demanding an immediate halt to gas and oil exploration, seen as potential kingmaker’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/10/norway-goes-polls-future-oil-gas-industry-green-party-kingmaker
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September 11, 2017 9:14am
plc

Watching this campaign over the past few weeks for all the talk of “Goals” or “Values”, there is really an elephant in the room when it comes to Labour.

None of their policies seem to be “aspirational” at a personal level. They are all about the Government doing something for you.

There are a lot of communities/people out there that value personal aspiration and bettering their lot. The Labour manifesto either doesn’t value or trust that…..yes, I know….socialism etc. But I thought things had move on from that for most communities in NZ with one notable exception.

I grew up in a state housing area serviced by Decile 1 schools. However my parents were personally aspirational for me. I was first in wider family to go to University. I know live in Decile 10 area but remain aspirational for my sons.

I see no responsibility for personal aspiration in Labour’s policies.
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September 11, 2017 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  Aspiration?!?
  
  Aspiration must be purged from the hoi polloi! We are not to aspire!
  
  Taxcinda’s, the most magnificent, peace be upon her, in her wisdom aspires that we depend on the state, in grateful servitude.
  
  You sir, learned nothing in the gulag!
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:54am
Michael

I see Grant Robertson is still masquerading as DPF.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kiwiblog&form=BDSBTB&pc=BDT3&shash=&BDParam=&mkt=en-US
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September 11, 2017 9:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Ouch!
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:03am
dime

when it comes to media bias, Dime doesnt actually care.

if you want to be a left supporter, go for it. shit happens.

its the fact that these pricks pretend to be impartial that makes me sick.

i remember as a kid, i would hear stories about how the media once had ethics… may have been made up though
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September 11, 2017 9:30am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin nostalgic
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:31am
- calendar girl
  
  For our media, ‘ethics’ is just a county in south-east England.
  
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  September 11, 2017 4:00pm
flipper

1. The Maori language – about as relevant as that spoken by Hawaiians…. and there probably more genuine Hawaiians than Maori,.

2. Winston seems to be setting up a coalition with W English (notwithstanding the persistent and toxic leadership rubbish promoted by a couple of other blogs) by nailing Jacindageddon and her queer tax stance. At least the MS media have not put a closure on WP ….. YET!
But be assured that if they really perceive that their stardust princess is under -pressure they will.

3. Duggledog (putting aside Lundy’s guilt or innocence) could not have summed up the total falsity of Jacindageddon better when he wrote:
That performance by Jacinda yesterday at the 600 shoes was almost up to Lundy standard. Nice.

Hollywood could not have staged the tearful BS better
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September 11, 2017 9:37am
- mikenmild
  
  You don’t think the Hawaiian language is relevant to Hawaiians?
  What would your old mate Muldoon make of your senile ranting?
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:53am
Michael

Notso
If Binnie accepts that Michael Guest is telling the truth when he said David Bain told him and his co-counsel that he had been wearing those incriminating glasses on the Sunday night prior to the murders then he must also accept that when Bain told him he hadn’t been wearing them then Bain was lying to him. That being the case one would have thought that Binnie would have had the nous to realise that if Bain was lying to him about those glasses then he could well have been lying to him when replying to other questions he asked him, which of course he was.
I mean Bain told Binnie not to believe anything Mark Buckley said because he saw Buckley committing an act of a sexual nature with a goat. Buckley says he and a few mates were simulating having sex with a goat because they thought Bain was naive about sex.
In actual fact Buckley and his mates were wrong because Bain used to watch his parents having sex when the family lived in Papua New Guinea.
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September 11, 2017 9:38am
Michael

The Dompost is now going to use macrons when writing Maori language words. I would do the same but I will need someone to instruct me as to how this is done. When I type the word maori I would like to place a macron over the a. How do I do that?
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September 11, 2017 9:44am
- mikenmild
  
  Hi Michael. It’s relatively straightforward to set up your word processing programme, usually MS Word, to do this.
  On the insert tab, you can locate the correct symbol – the a with a macron over it. Use this to write Maori with a macron in it. Then find your autocorrect options. You might need the ‘help’ function for this. In the auto correct options, there is a table of words and punctuation that automatically correct if your write them wrongly. You can insert Maori there, and add your preferred option of Māori.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:58am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  In MS products you use insert symbol.
  On here, no idea.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:03am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Let’s see if this works:
    
    Prētēntīōūs Twāt
    
    All the vowels are there so you’re welcome to copy and paste them.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:30am
    - itstricky
      
      True right – are those Vietnamese pretentious or what?
      
      http://tuoitre.vn/
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:07am
- Psycho Milt
  
  You can also install a Maori keyboard (on Windows at least): https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup.
  
  You can use the Maori keyboard as the default because it works exactly like the English one except that there are certain keystrokes you can hit to apply macrons.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:20am
- Johnboy
  
  Spell it “Murri” like I do and you wont need to agonize over it. 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:41am
- Piniwi
  
  Sneeze Michael.
  
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  September 11, 2017 3:47pm
Rodney Randall

“Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.” – George Carlin.
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September 11, 2017 9:50am
Manolo

The crook calls it a day seeking political power:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/hillary-clinton-rules-out-seeking-office-again-but-remains-committed-to-public-service/ar-AArCnZk?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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September 11, 2017 9:56am
- Inandout
  
  She knows too much..oh, what a tragic accident.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:44am
Michael

mikenmild
Thanks for that information. Unfortunately you lost me at “word processing program”.
It’s all the go now.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/96537754/kaikouras-game-of-tag-between-the-uplift-and-the-sea
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September 11, 2017 10:08am
flyernzl

The Twelve Great Myths About Landlords and Their Rentals

Landlords Are Always Buying and Selling Property.
All property people are tarred with the term ’speculators’, and blamed for many of the ills of society. Landlords are seldom speculators. People who run bookshops do not buy and sell their shops. Similarly, Landlords seldom trade in property. What Landlords do is rent out accommodation. If they do ever sell, they obviously cannot run their accommodation business. Those people who do trade in property are traders, developers or renovators – not landlords, and are taxed on a different basis. I have been a landlord since 1992, and I have never sold an investment property.

Landlords are the Wealthy.
Public perception is that residential landlords are wealthy individuals who dress like the Monopoly Man and drive around in expensive limousines. Wrong. Over 90% of NZ landlords own just one or two rental properties. Thus when you attack and condemn landlords you are not attacking Google or Apple, you are actually criticising your next door neighbour, your plumber or your local school teacher.

It should All Be Free.
Politicians and social engineers are fond of promising benefits that are ‘free’. There is no such thing as free. Free means that it is being paid for by someone else somewhere else. When the call goes out for all sorts of upgrades and requirements the costs will eventually appear in the price that is paid by the end user. We would all like to live the luxurious life in mansions, but the reality for most of us is that we need to choose a life that we can afford. If the only cars that can be sold in the market are Rolls-Royces and Mercedes, what will the poor people drive?

Fairness is The Only Way.
Those on the public payroll often call out for things to be fair. Life is not fair, get used to it. Some people win Lotto, others get paid very little for performing vital work. Fairness is a highly nebulous concept, what appears fair to you may seem highly unfair to me and vice-versa.

Overheads? What Overheads?
Most tenants have never owned property. They firmly believe that the rent they pay goes entirely into the Landlord’s pocket and then is spent on overseas trips and flash cars. However, if you do own your own home, you will appreciate that the price of the house is actually only the down payment. Even without any mortgage burden the constant stream of bills for rates, insurance, water, and household services add up to a substantial and unavoidable sum each and every year. Even on a modest suburban house the first $80 or more of rent you pay each week goes straight back out of the landlord’s pocket to pay for these utilities.

Force The Bastards.
We’ll force them to . . . is a constant refrain. Force never works, at least not for long. Those with grey hair can remember back when the 1970s Labour Government tried to bring in a Maximum Retail Price scheme. Each item you bought would have an MRP figure printed on it, and could not be sold at a higher price. All that happened, of course, was that many items just disappeared off the shelves. If the supplier could not profit from selling it the manufacturers simply did not make it. Later on, they tried to ‘force’ property developers to do this and that. Again, a massive fail. Where are Universal and Beazley Homes these days?

Landlords are Lazy Parasites.
The man on the top of the mountain did not fall there. Hardly any of today’s Landlords woke up one morning to find – surprise surprise – that they had got a rental or two overnight without any effort. Acquiring an investment property and then renting it out is, for those of us who don’t win Lotto, a long hard self-sacrificing slog. Landlords, generally speaking, are hardworking, thrifty and goal orientated. These are the people that any sane society should cherish and reward, not vilify and punish.

Landlords And Their Tax Loopholes.
Landlords seek to make a profit by renting out a property. Their income is the rent they charge, and like any other business they can then deduct the costs involved before paying tax on that income. There are frequent demands for the tax loopholes that landlords enjoy to be removed. This never happens – for the simple reason that there aren’t any.
Back in 2007, at a Parliamentary Select Committee hearing, Deputy IRD Commissioner Robin Oliver was asked why people had the impression that there was some tax advantage in investments in rental housing. His reply was blunt: “The short answer is there are none.”

Landlords Should Be Charitable.
Landlords are frequently asked to ‘help’ their tenants. “Lower the rent you charge” they are told “and your tenants will then be able to afford the electricity to heat the place”. Quite why Landlords should effectively subsidise the power companies is never explained. Landlords are not WINZ. We pay taxes which fund WINZ, and no-one demands that petrol companies sell their fuel cheaper to the impoverished.

Tenants Have No Rights.
The Residential Tenancies Act was an attempt to be even-handed. Both landlords and tenants seem to think that it favours the other side, but the reality is that it does confer rights on tenants. Every time I see a solo mother of five crouched under a leaky roof with a bucket for a toilet I think “Why doesn’t someone tell her!”
If tenants don’t know about existing law, surely an educational program will work better than just inventing new and harsher laws?

Long Term Is The Best Term.
Long term tenancies is the current catch cry. They do it in Germany, why not here? Those who push this barrow always conveniently omit the substantial requirements that are imposed on those who enter into those tenancies. Like a teenager, they demand the benefits but don’t want to shoulder the obligations.

Hurt them Until Their Eyes Water.
Every Government action creates two after-effects. Costs go up and people alter their behaviour to avoid or minimise the effects of that action. Already, the recent demands put upon rental housing has removed from the market those many houses rented out by owner-occupiers who are off overseas for just a year or two. The expense of making the house compliant now exceed the return. Overtime, if the current trends continue, more and more landlords will sell up and retire.

Some see this as a welcome trend. I disagree. I make a profit out of my rentals, and the Government gets a share of that profit from the tax I pay. Conversely, Glenn has calculated that the Government makes an average loss of around $100 per week on every HNZ dwelling. The Government seems to be a poor and inefficient landlord.

Can our society afford to subsidize each and every tenant at this level if all private rentals are driven from the market?

Only time will tell.
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September 11, 2017 10:25am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  What’s not a myth is that it’s better for our economy if people invest in shares instead of residential property, but their relative levels of tax and regulation are the reason people choose property.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:34am
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    Nothing to do with tax and regulation. People believe the saying “Safe as Houses”. If you have been burned on the share market you will know this.
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:24am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I don’t agree. Share market investors in other countries have an equal likelihood of losing money, but the overall after-tax returns in those countries still make it a better option than property.
      
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      September 11, 2017 11:43am
  - realityczech
    
    Correct. Housing is none productive debt.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:37pm
- Inandout
  
  You mention MRP. What manufacturers did was to repackage and rebrand items and sell for a higher price.
  
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  September 11, 2017 10:47am
Nostalgia-NZ

Has a ‘private’ call from National authorised by some person in Wellington whose name I missed. The questions were, was I going to vote and how far was I from a polling station and what time would I vote. When I said late morning I was asked if they could ring back later in the afternoon on polling day. With private numbers you never know what you are getting. The caller was most certainly a young, very polite polynesian woman. The irony is somewhat is that if she was a volunteer for the National party she was supporting a belief in the National party to continue governing, yet on a blog supporting the National party she would read the specific racism exhorted here by a very vocal few most of who are not National party supporters but have no ‘home’ of their own to spit their vitriol. The only possibility that adds up as to the content of the call is that I should expect a ring after voting which asks who I voted for?
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September 11, 2017 10:46am
- Happychappy
  
  It is funny that you point the finger at others for some of the same crap comments that you like to throw around, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander but that’s right the left are allowed.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:28pm
- Paulus
  
  If you were at Auckland University you can vote from today at the University. Special booth has been set up for the students and teachers.
  I am told that they were queueing this morning for three year FREE tertiary education from 1st January.
  Bugger those who are stacked with huge debts which they will still have to pay – / $13 Billion or thereabouts.
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:54pm
DifferentPerspective

At least Winston is making it hard for Taxcinda

While this is a start, it still doesn’t mean we’re going to know before going to the polls what Labour’s tax position will be.

So Winnie will need Labour’s tax parameters spelled out as a bottom line for entering into negotiations, but that’s all about what happens AFTER the election.

Still, at least it’s a start, now all we need is the lying, cheating, fawning MSM to start doing their job and asking a few questions of Taxcinda – Tui advert.
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September 11, 2017 10:51am
flipper

Well pig shite milky, I suppose Hawaiian is relevant to the few genuine Hawaiians remaining. But their st0neage burbling is not inflicted 0n the majority who believe that it is irrelevant. It bis regarded as i8mportant only as an aid to tourism. “Hawaiians” pay for and promote their own antiquated burbling. With all the monetary gifts made to “maori” for ancient wrongs (right or imagined) the same should apply here. AND without the BS language weeks. But our problem is that a ” maori” is someone who decides that they are “maori”. It might pay for such folk (like milky) to get a real understanding of pre Waitangi Maori, the slaves and worse. And please d0nt serve up the customary NZ purveyors of Maori/Waitangi BS.

And yes. RDM and Thea were close friends -m a friendship that developed from the days of the Young Turks. RDM (and his buddies like Hiss and Roar Gordon, David Thomson and Duncan MacIntyre) would have chopped milky into confetti and fed his remains to those things that fly in milky’s pea brain.

Hoe many useless posts (31500+??) have you made now milky? When will you make a positive contribution to the discourse?
F off. F wit.
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September 11, 2017 11:11am
- mikenmild
  
  You don’t think the Hawaiian government supports the Hawaiian language?
  Are you really that much of a fuckwit?
  Tell me to fuck off again. It amuses me.
  I already know you worship the spirit of Muldoon. An impressive man. Is it true he was a champion rooter as the stories claim?
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:19am
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    Fuckwit.
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:35pm
fluffykiwi

Jacinda’s First 100 days.
Now when would that start. post long drawn out negotiations with Winston Peters,
Post the Summer parliamentary Recess.
Is this a bit like a contract, taking into account public holidays etc.,
So Jacinda’s first 100 days will be a wee way off, more smokes and mirrors.
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September 11, 2017 11:21am
Ross12

Is this Rob Campbell’s old union background coming out or is he just lining up for lucrative Government consultancy jobs ? Probably both.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11920633
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September 11, 2017 11:25am
flipper

FOR the edification of milky and others who see all things thru maori glasses. It was all so “good” pre Waitangi was it not? Well there is another, probably more accurate view :

Life of a Maori Slave 1827
1832 – Earle, A. A Narrative of a Nine Months’ Residence in New Zealand, in 1827
The scene I have just described brings into consideration the subject of slavery, as it now exists in New Zealand. That slavery should be the custom of savage nations and cannibals, is not a cause of wonder: they are the only class of human beings it ought to remain with. Here slavery assumes its most hideous shape! Every one they can effect a seizure of in an enemy’s country becomes the slave of the captors. Chiefs are never made prisoners; they either fight to the last, or are killed on the spot, and their heads are preserved (by a peculiar method) as trophies. Children are greatly prized: these they bring to their dwellings, and they remain slaves for life. Upon the number of slaves a chief can muster he takes his rank as a man of wealth and consequence in society; and the only chance these wretched beings have of being released from their miseries, is their master getting into a rage, and murdering them without further ceremony.
“On entering a village, a stranger instantly discovers which portion of its inhabitants are the slaves, though both the complexion and the dresses of all are alike. The free Zealander is a joyous, good-humoured looking man, full of laughter and vivacity, and is chattering incessantly; but the slaves have invariably a squalid dejected look; they are never seen to smile, and appear literally half starved. The beauties characteristic of a New Zealander are his teeth and hair: the latter,
in particular, is his pride and study; but the slaves have their heads half shorn. The male slave is not allowed to marry; and any intercourse with a female, if discovered, is generally punished by death. Never was there a body of men so completely cut off from all society as these poor slaves; they never can count, with certainty, on a single moment of life, as the savage caprice of their master may instantly deprive them of it. If, by chance, a slave should belong to a kind and good master, an accident happening to him, or any of his family, will probably prove equally fatal to the slave, as some are generally sacrificed on the death of a chief.
Thus these poor slaves are deprived of every hope and stimulus by which all other classes and individuals are animated; no good conduct of theirs towards their master, no attachment to his person or family, no fidelity or long service can ensure kind treatment. If the slave effect his escape to his own part of the country, he is there treated with contempt; and when he dies (if a natural death), his body is dragged to the outside of the village, there to be made sport of by the children, or to furnish food for the dogs! but more frequently his fate is to receive a fatal blow in a fit of passion, and then be devoured by his brutal master! Even the female slaves who, if pretty, are frequently taken as wives by their conquerors, have not a much greater chance of happiness, all being dependent upon the caprice of their owners.”
http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=300&page=0&action=null
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September 11, 2017 11:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Have you read Paul Moon (This Horrid Practice) on cannibalism, and Hazel Petrie on Maori slavery (Outcasts of the gods?: The Struggle Over Slavery in Maori New Zealand)? Perhaps you should, and then contribute to an informed discussion.
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:35am
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    Erm. Not sure what your point is. Moon evidenced Maori cannibalism in this Horrid Practice and got blasted by revisionists lke Mutu for it.
    
    Te Ara indicates Maori were well aware of slavery: https://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ngai-tahu/page-6
    
    Maori writers indicate slavery: https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=1ONaAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT45&dq=Ngai+Tahu+cannibalism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinntH38ZvWAhUFJZQKHdVtBiEQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=Ngai%20Tahu%20cannibalism&f=false
    
    So whats your point?
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:38pm
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      My point is that flipper can Google August Earle’s account, and maybe many more accounts, but likely has not engaged with any of the recent historiography.
      I’m not some whacko denying Maori owned slaves or practised cannibalism. Neither am I an ignoramus like flipper who thinks all modern scholarship is ‘revisionist’ and therefore suspect for some reason (which he can’t quite elucidate)..
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:25pm
      - starboard
        
        Fuckwit
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:39pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Hmmmm, an 1830’s eye-witness account… or a modern historian’s revisionist view. Who to believe?
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:38am
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    Which modern historian are you about to rebut on slavery and cannibalism: Moon or Petrie?
    
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    September 11, 2017 11:45am
  - KevOB
    
    Maori cannablism and slavery was taught about in NZ schools in my time. The need for a treaty with the English Crown was to save Maori from wiping each other out. Muskets made utu deadly for all.
    
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    September 11, 2017 2:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      The need for a treaty was prompted by the British government’s desire to regulate the activities of Europeans already in NZ. The Musket Wars finished in the early 1830s.
      
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      September 11, 2017 5:28pm
- Inandout
  
  There is one account in the Keri Keri stone cottage about a freed Maori slave.
  
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  September 11, 2017 4:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Getting more housing, making it more affordable: what’s the plan? – Anne Gibson – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11913049

Housing has been a key issue as the election draws near and the main political parties’ policies on development, first-home ownership, tax, foreign buyers and increasing supply in high-demand areas such as Auckland differ widely.

From the Labour Party’s 100,000-residence national KiwiBuild scheme to National’s plan to build 34,000 new Auckland places, and NZ First’s proposed ban on foreign buyers, housing is an area that has galvanised the parties.

Significant differences divide them. Here is a summary of some policy aspects. … read more via hyperlink above …

Ardern v English: Leaders’ house price claims face credibility claims | Rob Stock | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96556989/arden-v-english-house-price-claims-face-credibility-claims

The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html

Waipa mayor: Affordable housing problem remains unless attitudes change | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/96484661/waipa-mayor-affordable-housing-problem-remains-unless-attitudes-change
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September 11, 2017 11:28am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Behind paywall at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
  
  Housing bubble busts NZ Government
  
  By Leith van Onselen Back in 2007, then opposition National leader, John Key, lamented New Zealand’s housing crisis and promised to remedy the … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  September 11, 2017 11:48am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Note postings at MacroBusiness Australia Links thread …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/links-11-september-2017/#comment-2951485
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:22pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Chocks away! National and Labour get early voters in their sights – NZ Herald
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11920741
      
      Early voting starts today and National leader Bill English and Labour leader Jacinda Ardern were vying for attention of voters in the lead up – English by announcing sweeteners for first home buyers while Ardern held a massive rally to set out her top priorities if in Government.
      
      That included banning foreign property buyers by the end of the year and lifting the minimum wage to $16.50.
      
      The Electoral Commission is expecting as many as half of New Zealanders to vote in advance of election day on September 23 and that means the campaigns of all parties will lift the tempo after what has already been a gruelling three weeks.
      
      Ardern set out her “First 100 Days” plans to a crowd of 1500 in Wellington, where well known local bands played together in an ensemble called Stardust – the word English has given to the excitement around Ardern. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
      
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      September 11, 2017 2:12pm
      - starboard
        
        Alcoholic ” hic “
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:41pm
MrTips

How many rentals do you own Hugh?
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September 11, 2017 11:39am
- sooty
  
  Our Hugh owns rentals! Surely not!
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:08pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A posting at 12:22PM of less than 5 lines in length?!
    
    Le gasp!
    
    (Who is this person and what have they done with Hugh Pavletich?)
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:17pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      2:12 PM….
      
      Yay! Hugh’s back…
      
      … Oh …!?
      
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      September 11, 2017 5:49pm
RF

It’s a great pity that Mike Hosking was unable to interview our little commie las this morning.

No one questioned her socialist ideals or how only a few months ago she was happy just to be deputy as leader was just too stressful. This was in addition to wanting to have children.

Reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera with Frau Clark playing the role of the Phantom and Ardern, Christine.
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September 11, 2017 11:42am
- MCos
  
  What’s happened to him?
  Has he thrown in the towel?
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    People do get sick MCos, they are allowed with the majority of employers.
    
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    September 11, 2017 12:32pm
    - MCos
      
      Seems to struggle under the heavy workload. It was almost two years ago that he was similarly laid low in London to a degree of fanfare.
      
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      September 11, 2017 5:43pm
dime

LMAO

Time magazine is one sad ass wreck of a publication:

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/hillary.jpg?quality=85&w=840
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September 11, 2017 12:12pm
- Ross12
  
  Just like the Economist, dime. Both were once good magazines but now absolute rubbish.
  
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  September 11, 2017 12:33pm
  - mandk
    
    I agree about The Economist. It was once important reading, but it has now sunk into the progressive swamp.
    
    I do pick it up occasionally, but the only thing worth reading is the obituaries.
    
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    September 11, 2017 1:03pm
    - Paulus
      
      The Economist is totally and blatantly biased against Brexit and Trump.
      Its Editors have taken it down to an unbalanced level which it once was.
      Some snippets are worth reading.
      
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      September 11, 2017 1:59pm
tranquil

If the Nats want to stay in power they need to connect with more women The best way to do that is to do a “tearjerker” ad. The obvious subject – Labour’s promise to close charter schools.

Line up several sad-looking children saying “please don’t close our school” and go from there. Such an ad would win back enough women to keep the Nats in power.

Of course, the Nats have fools in control of their campaign so they will not do this.
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September 11, 2017 12:41pm
- Paulus
  
  Women have been totally blindsided by Cinderella, which they dream they would like to have been except they are Unmarried/Divorced, overweight and bitter.
  Nothing has really changed only got worse.
  Look at H Clark – the real picture and you will see what I mean.
  At least I am old and ugly but I know it.
  
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  September 11, 2017 2:04pm
fluffykiwi

Winnie basically agreeing with Steven Joyce. Winnie states he doesn’t agree with the $11 billion hole in labour’s budget, but they don’t have anything in the budget for any further spending over the next 3 years.
This is basically what Steven Joyce said, but he was not reported properly.
It was either a hole or nothing allowed for further spending, but labour couldn’t have it both ways, is how I read Steven Joyce’s comment.
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September 11, 2017 12:53pm
- stigie
  
  This is just bullshit, why aren’t the media asking the hard questions about the allowance for further spending. I believe what Joyce has said, so why would he have said otherwise being finance minister.
  Maybe if he wore lipstick, he may have got some traction from the parasitic media..?
  
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  September 11, 2017 1:16pm
Jack5

The multiculturists in Britain are training their guns on that ultra-British musical event, “The Last Night at the Proms.”

In the Guardian (where else?), an article by Aditya Chakrabortty is introduced partly as: “But what has the ‘traditional’ closing concert of Proms season got to do with Britain today?”

Chakrabortty’s article includes:

“The entire musical sequence is a postcard from a country that never existed. No harm there, except that Britain in 2017 is a country in danger of believing its own caricature and hoping the rest of the world will, too.”

Is Chakrabortty in effect saying: “Bugger you, whitey, it’s our country now”?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/10/the-last-night-of-the-proms-review-royal-albert-hall-london-aditya-chakrabortty
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September 11, 2017 2:55pm
- Gabby
  
  Wee Aditya doesn’t sound all that culturally tolerant. He may need to check his middle class privilege.
  
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  September 11, 2017 6:13pm
UpandComer

Ardern has been given better media then Obama.

Way better.

How will they build 100k houses when they need 56k workers to do it in 3 years, and they’re only bringing in 5000 on kiwibuild visa in 4 years?

How will they build houses if they’ve said they won’t touch existing state houses which sit on massive land-banks in Auckland owned by the government?

How will they build houses in Auckland if they are going to impose a National Award on construction?

Why will anyone in the country save any money if they’re going to be hit with an inheritance tax?

How will millennials survive if they’re going to be taxed to hell, have to pay for 2 more years of boomer pensions, and have to pay for Gen X to go and get free interp dance degrees?

How well did Labour manage our 67k state houses in govt?

How will regions survive if, among other things, they need 200k workers and Labour is cutting off the immigration? Will Auckland benos on the legalised cannabis do those jobs?

Pick an issue. But the one that pisses me off most is the issue of Labour’s hole.

Economists in this country can all go to hell. Here is the context someone provided in Stuff comments.

In 2011 National allocated money to health/education and then had $900m operating allowance. For one year, that year. That was in the depths of the pit of global financial crisis. They faced an $18bn deficit most of which was a carry over of Labour’s 54% spending increase and $7b operating allowance increase in 2008, and they faced permanent, ever increasing deficits – forecasts of debt to GDP of 70% (vs 25% now) by early 2020’s and $14b per year interest payments.

Phil Goff and Ardern and Labour called it the ‘zero hope’, ‘zero future’ budget and said it would kill government services dead and lead to the death of poor people in New Zealand.

Well these people have run a fiscal plan where they have allocated money to health and education, and then left $900m operating balance for THREE FUCKING YEARS.

So in order for Labour’s numbers to work they have to run the most ruthless, vicious, harsh, brutal, neoliberal austerity this country has seen in decades. It’s much much more severe then National in 2011 which they said was cause people to die. It’s three times worse – as Hamish Rutherford pointed out.

And all these economist bastards have got up and said ‘there is no hole’.

Except Labour have to run budgets in 18/19 and 19/20 that belong to the ACT party. Actual massive cuts in government spending in real terms, for everything not health and education.

Who believes that Grant ‘spend it now’ Robertson is going to inflict massive austerity on his pet public service in 18/19, 19/20?

The degree of lies and sophistry from economists and the media on this issue is un believable.

It’s not just that there is an $11billion hole. Labour cannot keep key promises, like, fully erasing the median gender earnings gap (lifetime), introducing living wage in the public service, and putting together huge Kristine Bartlett pay deals for Nurses and ECE.

The degree of damage incoming to NZ is really quite amazing. It will be much worse then under Clark, and it will be impossible to unwind. See how unwinding the unions grip on the economy in Australia has gone.

I’ve really had my faith in the education levels of kiwis shaken. Particularly my own generation. If they vote for this carnage they can all get fucked.
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September 11, 2017 3:03pm
- Maxx
  
  No doubt replying on future new taxes coming through although that in itself is flawed. I remember reading a report talking about Labour’s proposed CGT in 2011 was only expected to bring in $17.5m in the first year, raising to $3.7b 15 YEARS LATER. And these estimates were thought to be wildly optimistic and likely to be half this.
  
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  September 11, 2017 3:47pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Labour uses variable arithmetic, works every time. Seek a goal and fudge the numbers, or just completely mis fucking understand them
  
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  September 11, 2017 4:45pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  but she looks pretty and has nice hair. Tax and Wave. Robertson is the real problem here. He is on record saying the tax details don’t matter as the polls are in their favour, so it doesn’t matter. The arrogant, smarmy, rat fucker can go and get stuffed. (apologies if I have broken any DPF rules here, also
  apologies to those rats that are just making more baby rats…)
  
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  September 11, 2017 7:50pm
  - starboard
    
    ..and he loves cock..
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:48pm
Rachael Membery

What is the real purpose of early voting, seems to me to be stacking the vote. Who thinks that students can not get up to go to a booth on the 23rd, instead it goes to them.
Seems quite cynical and calculating.
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September 11, 2017 3:16pm
- mikenmild
  
  Early voting is for people who might be out of the country or otherwise unavailable to vote in person on election day.
  Edit: sorry, anyone can vote in advance, from today.
  
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  September 11, 2017 3:24pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Done mine the other day Mike. You have to download the forms, print them, tick two ticks blue, get a witness to verify your form, scan or photograph it, then upload it.
    Steve NS in Seward, Alaska 🙂
    
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    September 11, 2017 4:48pm
- Prince
  
  I’m sure the Electoral Office will send a mobile voting booth around the rural electorates to assist farmers to vote.
  
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  September 11, 2017 3:50pm
- MCos
  
  Last time there was an early polling booth located in the local graveyard.
  Can’t grizzle about an unfair bias with that location.
  
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  September 11, 2017 6:18pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah, that was specifically for NZ First voters, “Vote before you Croak…”
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:41pm
kowtow

Is there no end to the virtue signalling?

‘Police have designed a new police car featuring a koru for Māori Language Week – but not everyone’s impressed.
The car will be out and about in Counties Manukau this week, to show NZ Police’s support for Te Wiki o te reo Māori.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/te-reo-police-car-bullst-henare
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September 11, 2017 3:43pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  How long before I can’t have ’10’ on my letterbox and have to have ‘tekau’
  Fuck off with this Moari bullshit
  
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  September 11, 2017 4:55pm
  - MCos
    
    That would be ‘Maori’, you hopeless bugger.
    
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    September 11, 2017 6:21pm
  - starboard
    
    Fuckin poo skins…
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:50pm
- MCos
  
  Wait ’till one comes out in Braille. Then I’d say they’ve gone too far.
  
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  September 11, 2017 6:23pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’s so the crims can see it’s a police car. Most are Maori, so it makes sense to have the lettering in a language they can understand… (Actually has anyone done any research on how many Maori Crims actually speak the language)? I have nothing against the Maori language, or people learning it. But let’s stop making it so special. It’s not, just like any other language it is just a system of growls and grunts used to communicate.
  
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  September 11, 2017 7:39pm
Jack5

Former US TV host and martial arts champion Joe Rogan roasts NZ use of haka before sports events:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/09/joe-rogan-calls-the-tall-blacks-f-ing-dummies-for-performing-haka.html
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September 11, 2017 3:53pm
Poppa

Mrs P & I attended a street pot luck lunch yesterday & it was an opportunity to conduct a straw poll
Not a single Labour vote but one who is considering the cat hater – I did point out a couple of his policies which had him reconsidering
All the people I am encountering are going blue so where are all the red voters hiding that are doing the polls?
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September 11, 2017 3:58pm
Piniwi

Love that native gibberish. DB eh. It is apparently ignored by old Winston First as he made it clear to Taxinda in English. What taxes are included if at this point you have indicated what wont be taxed? Her reply in her usual flowery version of English “We’ve put it all out there for voters to see so that they know what we’ll do when we’re in office,” she said. She has put nothing out there at all but nobody dare ask for details.
English is the first and only language needed in NZ. Thankfully Bill English uses it well in the same economical way as he guided the economy. Under no circumstances would he borrow money for the Cullen fund as Taxinda has been directed to by Cullen.
For the sake of safety, security and stability in NZ going forward tick Two 4 Blue and give them time to work out a tax plan.
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September 11, 2017 4:08pm
- stigie
  
  You are right Piniwi, Taxcinda needs another 9 years in opposition to work out how they are going to tax the country……..Hang on a minute, how come they haven’t worked that out over the last 9 years, what the fuck have they been doing..?
  
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  September 11, 2017 4:32pm
Jack5

Four hundred plus posts by 4.30, and Griff and the Keas haven’t arrived yet.

Kiwiblog is bubbling today!
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September 11, 2017 4:34pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  They are studying their voting forms and just got discombobulated
  
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  September 11, 2017 5:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    Kea is figuring out how to get a vote for each of his pseudonyms.
    
    The choice is made: who else would a Kea support but Cat Man, who wants to persecute four-legged bird eaters?
    
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    September 11, 2017 9:20pm
Inandout

Not our haka mister, not our haka……I am offended.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11920873
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September 11, 2017 4:45pm
EAD_TWO

I laugh when people so there is no “conspiracy” to destroy every single White Christian Nation across the world. Here the EU Vice President admits to White genocide plan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=420&v=80eJwvShspA

Labour/National, Democrat/Republican, Tory, Liberal, Greens – they’re all just different flavours of sh*t
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September 11, 2017 6:11pm
- Johnboy
  
  So the poms got it right then?
  
  Rule Britania!!! 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2017 6:16pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Fraid not Johnboy,
    
    We all know the foreign influence of the British Labour Party and their unions but the Tory party is arguably more compromised.
    
    They after all turfed out Enoch Powell who was the most popular post war politician after he dared to voice the wishes and concerns of the Native British.
    
    They were also the Party that issued the Balfour declaration in order to get Zionist backing for WWI.
    
    Even in more recent times, David Cameron admitted the Tories were riddled with foreign influence.
    
    There are so many Jews at the top of Britain’s Conservative party, Prime Minister David Cameron once quipped, that it should be known as the Torah party rather than the Tory party.
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/surprise-new-uk-trade-minister-is-committed-jew-thinks-israels-amazing/
    
    Then we had Theresa May in her first act as Prime Minister…….go have dinner with Britain’s Chief Rabbi….
    
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/07/13/theresa-may-friend-of-israel-and-the-organized-jewish-community/
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  What sort of genocide is your favourite, EAdolf?
  
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  September 11, 2017 6:37pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    You are a disturbed individual Milkmaid.
    
    Why would a Christian kill other people – it is totally against everything they stand for and what their good book teaches them.
    
    Unfortunately it has been those from my faith who have been the victims of the great genocides of the 20th century whether that be at the hands of Genrikh Yagoda (Russian Christians) or The Dönmeh (Christian Armenians)
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:21pm
fluffykiwi

Adern’s Boyfriend wades in again, partner Clarke Gayford defending his long term partner etc., etc.,
Now when did approx. 4 years become long term. Hopefully if labour gets in 3 years will be seen as long term and they will be dumped, just as he has moved from his other long term partners, Ruakere was one back in 2013, they were going to make babies according to the womens weekly the bible of all snowflake socialists.
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September 11, 2017 6:31pm
- Inandout
  
  He should ask Peter Davis for a bit of advice on being in the kitchen while wifey works.
  
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  September 11, 2017 7:06pm
  - stigie
    
    I can imagine the sexy Professor complete with pinny serving up cup cakes to his men friends while the she beast was out spending other peoples money !~
    
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    September 11, 2017 7:57pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Haha good one stigie totally correct 🙂
      
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      September 11, 2017 8:01pm
      - stigie
        
        Aww thanks Dad, we always seem to go back to what happened in the past rather than looking to the future.
        Speaking of the future, is that book of yours still coming out Dad..?
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:14pm
      - dad4justice
        
        The book is already written I will decide when to get it published. There is no hurry it’s my retirement fund.
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:18pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Is it all homo or no homo D4J?
        Asking for a friend
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:29pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Buy it when it’s published you dropkick!
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:31pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Sober Dad?
        
        Drunk Dad?
        
        Always Angry Dad
        
        Wrote a book
        Had a sook
        
        Said it wasn’t that bad!!
        
        There ya go D4J, a rhyme for you book? Are you doing the illustrations too?
        
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        September 11, 2017 8:43pm
      - stigie
        
        Could be worth a read fellas, Dad will have all the goss on the Professor and the sordid affair at LAX im picking..?
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:01pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        But won’t he have to out himself as being the bloke with Peter?
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:04pm
      - dad4justice
        
        My fan club are like maggots on a carcass.
        
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        September 11, 2017 9:17pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Carcass describes you well old chap
        
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        September 12, 2017 8:05am
- RF
  
  Poor bugger putting up with finger pointing and foot stamping when comrade cindy does not get her own way….
  
  She is high maintenance and has yet to be tested.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:05pm
Piniwi

Poor old WO has gone full retard+ reproducing the sage words & graph from Greg Presland
However it was topped by this comment on interest rates “Interest rates in NZ are nowadays largely determined by international forces that are beyond the control of either the government or the reserve bank. What the government can influence is inflation. And that in turn will affect the real interest rate: nominal interest rate – rate of inflation. So if the nominal interest rate is 6% and inflation is running at 5%, the real interest rate is 1%. I see savers being the losers in the short to medium term.”
Somebody is living in a bubble or has been drinking that has addled their brain. In the event that inflation moves above the RBNZ 1-2% band the OCR will begin to rise leading to banks increasing interest rates. Sure the RBNZ do not set bank interest rates but the increasing OCR will get them moving. There is nothing in the limited threat of a raft of taxes to indicate or calculate the increase in inflation and it may well rise to 5%. Were that the case interest rates will be well into double digits with so many homeowners struggling to service such a level. It may well have NZ again getting in front of another GFC that some negative pundits predict. That wild theory has little substance or fact to back it up since no OECD can get their interest rates up from the artificial low levels. However the low interest levels are lingering longer as the days, weeks, months, and even years tick by. The problem becomes even greater for little old NZ leading the field from internal economic and fiscal irresponsibility. Fiscal folly has already been signaled by Taxinda to begin in the first 100 days by borrowing to restart contributions to the Cullen fund. Apart from the $11.7 billion gap identified there is no mention of this “contribution” in the little Red book so yes it will have to be borrowed.
The bigger concern is the financial chain reaction that will follow such a drastic upheaval in domestic finances. While higher interest rates will attract the money traders buoyed by a rapidly falling exchange rate where a buck will get you two they will be looking beyond the pale. It also makes it a shaky currency for them to do anymore than flash by. That is to say buy, sell and bugger off quick. Meanwhile back home with an even more pricy latte disposable incomes will be shrinking from not just the inflation “bloom” but higher taxes starting to kick in. The chain reaction will first be seen in the level of national debt already scheduled to rise by $7 billion (see the Red book) since the devalued dollar is no match on the world market. The current $60 odd billion will become $70 before Taxinda can attach a pair of braces to her knickers even before new borrowing is added. Naturally the rapid rising inflation will see some heavy wage demands’ from strengthened unions after the public servants and contractors get a living wage. This pushes up the median wage which provides the basis to calculate those poor little darlings living in poverty. It’s OK though because the tooth fairy will pass a law to END CHILD POVERTY. For those who were still a twinkle in daddy’s eye back in the day the biggest driver of inflation was the “wage/cost spiral” fuel by the same fluffy thinking we hear on the hour from the tooth fairy. Thanks to the Media party. They too are starting to wake up and speculate about how much it might cost them. Too little too late you morons. You can take full credit for the devastation this shallow creature will bring down on you. Thanks to the late Fred Dag “we don’t know how lucky we are” but we are grateful to have a good pair of gumboots to wade through all the bullshit we are getting from Taxinda. “We’ve put it all out there for voters to see so that they know what we’ll do when we’re in office,” she said. “So I suspect most people knew that work would be undertaken.” Sure we got through 9 years with lifting a finger to tap a calculator but a “panel of experts” will sort it all out. Show us the MONEY.
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September 11, 2017 7:26pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Jesus that was a hard read without paragraphs but still worth it.
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:02pm
Monique Watson

Yep. We’re royally fucked if Taxcinda and her team of Scrotes get in.
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September 11, 2017 8:13pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I think the Hillary effect may kick in yet.
  If not she will destroy the Labour party forever in 3 short years…
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:32pm
mikenmild

Well, we already knew the Catholic Church was (and is) principally staffed by cruel pedophiles.
But, should every Catholic children’s ‘home’ now be subject to some detailed forensic archaeology?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/96735094/hundreds-of-orphan-children-buried-in-mass-grave-in-scotland–bbc-investigation
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September 11, 2017 8:29pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  “should every Catholic children’s ‘home’ now be subject to some detailed forensic archaeology?
  
  Yes
  
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  September 11, 2017 8:34pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “the Catholic Church was (and is) principally staffed by cruel pedophiles.”
  
  Bollocks. Pedophiles are a small minority of the total number of Catholic priests. That’s a lie mikey.
  
  And according to you pedophilia being wrong or not is just a matter of opinion. It’s fascinating how you go all objective morality when it suits you.
  
  Also fascinating that Liberals go very quiet about the fact that most of that pedophilia was carried out by homosexual men.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:32pm
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘Most of the pedophilia was carried out by men’.
    FIFY.
    Their sexual orientation is attraction to young kids. Whether they have sex with other men or with women is irrelevant.
    And yes, the morality of pedophilia, like every other form of behaviour, is a subjective view of the community. Otherwise, child marriage, sanctioned by your holy texts, would always have been wrong.
    
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    September 11, 2017 10:16pm
nasska

….”should every Catholic children’s ‘home’ now be subject to some detailed forensic archaeology”…..

Definitely! The perverts can’t help themselves.

If they’re not buggering the kids over the altar they’re starving them or beating them to death.

Remember the orphanages & laundries in Ireland & weep..
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September 11, 2017 9:01pm
Jack5

If we’re gonna get to 500 posts tonight, someone’s gotta take the rug off the Keas’ cage.

C’mon out and fight, parrots!
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September 11, 2017 9:27pm
Rodney Randall

https://twitter.com/LizzieMarvelous/status/907133503313133568
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September 11, 2017 9:31pm
- Jack5
  
  Great parody of warbling Lizzie.
  
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  September 11, 2017 9:52pm
nasska

From True Life confessions:

“Due to an unfortunate genetic defect, I have been told that I can’t drive. It has left me with a lack of spatial awareness, an inability to think logically & terrible mood swings.

On the upside, I can have kids, I’m great at housework & I’ve got a cracking set of tits.”
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September 11, 2017 9:37pm
Scorpion

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September 11, 2017 11:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  Say what you mean, please.
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:51am
- softail 1450
  
  scorpion are you a relative of gabby and ztev ?
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:55am
Monique Watson

Yeah that was a sad way to finish. Didn’t make it to the half ton and the caps button got stuck.
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September 12, 2017 2:00am
softail 1450

this morning on tv3 garner and his cronies interview of jacinderella was absolutely cringe inspiring,,, garner wouldn’t give such a soft ride to Bill English ,what a joke .
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September 12, 2017 7:02am
starboard

That racist arsehole sharples telling everyone to speak maori..wants it compulsory in schools.
Numpty..go away.
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September 12, 2017 7:27am

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