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DifferentPerspective

While we’re talking about socialist’s lying
More proof emerges about widespread voter fraud in the US, so Hillary swung New Hampshire because of ‘out-of-state’ illegal voters.

Trump keeps on winning and keeps on being right.

5000 illegals in a tiny state like NH, imagine how yuge the fraud is in the populous states. It’s very clear that the lie about “Hillary won the popular vote” is totally busted. At a time when we’re seeing the same degree of out and out dishonesty from the Left in NZ!

Why are the Left such big fat liars?
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September 10, 2017 8:53am
- Gruffydd
  
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  LOL
  You believe some stupid rubbish
  Read your story .
  Its all conjecture with no proof .
  How would Clinton get 5,000 people organized to fake a ballot without someone blowing it wide open?
  Conspiracy nutters are gibbering fuckwits .
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:21am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    As always Griff – thanks for demonstrating so ably the poisonous nature of the liars on the Left.
    
    See something that offends your ‘feelings’ follow standard Leftist approach:
    – deny, deny, deny
    – be offensive.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:33am
    - Gruffydd
      
      I am not offended my dear little loon .
      In case you did not notice .
      I am laughing at your gullible stupidity .
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:44am
      - softail 1450
        
        gruffly ,snowflake is a conservative term for dopes like you .
        so not only are you a denier and offensive but also a fucking thief …..
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:32am
      - Gruffydd
        
        putputputput
        1450 cc of crap
        less power per cc than a 1950’s Morrie thou
        Unreliable doesn’t handle accelerate or stop.
        Cost twice as much as a Japanese bike that is many time better .
        Why do peploe buy them ?
        Suckers sold on an image.
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:41am
      - softail 1450
        
        it’s a little early to be on the liquor isn’t it gruffly you manky little jealous tosser ? what’s a” peploe”in your deluded crazy world?
        
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        September 10, 2017 11:33am
      - Jack5
        
        Softail 1450, you’re fairly new to Kiwiblog.
        
        Gruffydd, known to most of us by his old pseudonym, Griff, isn’t into alcohol. He’s a champion of marijuana.
        
        He can be snarky, and from time to time has accused fellow posters of being alcoholics, wife beaters, paedophiles.
        
        Griff is a bit of a survivalist. He lives up north off the grid, and, as a befits an enthusiastic supporter of Global Warming dogma, he is into solar panel electricity.
        
        For all of that, like the banned Kea who pops up here under many aliases, Griff adds colour to Kiwiblog, and you develop a tolerance, even a warm tolerance, for him, as you might for a grumpy acquaintance.
        
        Enjoy your Harley, softail 1450. Can you still scrape Harley exhaust pipes on a tight, winding NZ road? Give me a Kawasaki.
        
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        September 10, 2017 11:56am
      - starboard
        
        “even a warm tolerance, for him”
        
        Like pissing your pants warm?
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Starboard (2.24 post), if you piss your pants laughing, yes then, sort of like that.
        
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        September 10, 2017 3:05pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      I see you continue to:
      – deny
      – be offensive
      – prove my point
      
      Thank you again.
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:07am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Poor little snowflake ……
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The article doesn’t say Hillary organised it. Dem voters from nearby States are taking advantage of the rules to game the system.
    This is the relevant bit.
    ‘The vast majority of the 6,240 voters in New Hampshire who registered on the same day they cast ballots – 70 percent – used out-of-state identification to prove their identities, according to the Public Interest Legal Foundation. That’s something that people who have just moved into the state can do, prior to obtaining New Hampshire ID.’
    ‘But only about 7 percent of those same-day registrants went on to obtain New Hampshire driver’s licenses and only 3 percent have since registered vehicles in New Hampshire – a state with very little public transportation. This raises serious questions about whether many of the people who took advantage of same-day registration to vote were out-of-state residents voting improperly in the Granite State.’
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:09am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      I never said Hillary organised it – and that has never been the issue.
      
      The issue is the DNC relies upon widespread voter fraud – even Obama has acknowledged it publicly in the past. The opposition to providing voter data is not about anything else other than preventing all the evidence coming out. Evidence (that because they refuse to release it at a local level) the DNC continually whines “Doesn’t exist”!
      
      Well if you don’t look for something then you can safely say it doesn’t exist!
      
      If there’s nothing to hide and all is well in DNC Camelot, then why refuse to release it?
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:40am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I know you never said Hillary organised it.
        Griff was inferring that was what the article said.
        He said.
        ‘How would Clinton get 5,000 people organized to fake a ballot without someone blowing it wide open?
        Conspiracy nutters are gibbering fuckwits ‘
        
        He’s wrong of course as the article didn’t say that at all.This Voter Commission is turning up all sorts of stuff. Iirc in California the numbers who voted are very fishy
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:44pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Why do you think the Dems continually vote against and decry voter ID?
        They know they’ll lose a lot of support through prevented voter fraud. There were plenty of reports during the recent election that Dems were busing people from out of state to vote in the next area’s polling stations.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:54pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Be interesting to see if you get 1 strike or it adds on the 7 you already have.
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:21pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  “proof emerges”
  
  A collection of “if” statements and non-sequiturs constitutes “proof” only in the minds of, as Gruffyd put it so eloquently, “gibbering fuckwits.”
  
  This one features the un-reasoning that the claimed 5000 “fake” voters likely voted Democratic because New Hampshire’s surrounding states have Democratic representatives. Only on Fox News can they assume the viewers are that moronic.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:13am
  - Gruffydd
    
    They dont need to assume.
    Fox know very well their audience are stupid they have been feeding them similar crap for years .
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:22am
    - Simon
      
      Wisconsin tightened up on voter fraud for 2016 and the State voted Trump. First time that State voted GOP for a long time.
      
      Good work Wisconsin. Others are learning
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:52am
  - All_on_Red
    
    No, not ‘fake’ voters. This article talks about how real voters voted but not in the State they actually live in.
    Which is against the rules.
    Didn’t Metiria get into strife over something like that?
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:50am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You poor socialists, you think you can help people with their “wrongthink” by insults.
    
    If you had even the slightest understanding of people, you’d understand that this is a contest of ideas and facts – not of insults.
    
    Anyway, last response from me to you and Griff, you are never going to take the red pill – I flag this for the majority of KBs readers who are open to information that doesn’t confirm the “It’s all Trump, all the time, his fault for everything and Hillary is Princess Di” editorial line taken by the MSM and the Washington swamp.
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:45am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I get that you’re flagging it for people who have similar difficulties with rational thought. Just like I’m flagging the irrationality for people who might fall for the scam if no-one points it out to them.
      
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      September 10, 2017 12:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You really are fucking thick.
        They’ve caught out of State people voting where they shouldn’t.
        But hey deny there’s a problem because #tribalism
        What a dick.
        
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        September 10, 2017 8:06pm
- eandlbufe
  
  Just had a phone call from Newshub about partcipating to a new poll. Guess what? It only was for parcipaters between ages 35 and 54 years old. Sounding like they are seeking to sell us a rigged poll just as pollsters propigated in the the Hillary – Trump and the Brexit – Remianers election polls. Knowing News Hub they are biased Labour’s way and like CNN they are pushing the Adern narrative. When will we ever get an unbiased msn again. I called them on this as Fake News so they hung up.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:09pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The media appear to believe their own influence but do people allow themselves to be influenced by ‘rigged’ polls? I surely hope not. I’m still hoping for the silent majority to vote for the Nats.
    
    TWO TICKS BLUE!!
    
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    September 10, 2017 3:13pm
    - Gabby
      
      TULIXPU!!
      
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      September 10, 2017 3:16pm
stigie

Finally, some balance from Heather du you please me Allan on Labours tax fiasco !~

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11919488
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September 10, 2017 8:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks stigie, you beat me to it.
  I wonder what she’s been drinking, whatever it is it must taste good.
  
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  September 10, 2017 8:56am
  - stigie
    
    Even a piece from Jack Tame Captain on the same tax issue….What the fuck is going on..?
    
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    September 10, 2017 8:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They’re figuring out that Labour are going to cost them personally…
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:10am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Took Tame, etc long enough to realise Taxinda had blinded them with her smile was coming for their wallet too. Afterall those good salaries TV so-called personalities are being paid makes them “rich pricks” and they will be paying plenty of tax under Liarbor.
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:53am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, whats the CGT going to be on a house in St Mary’s Bay which you bought 15 years ago!
        You think the AC Rates on that are bad now- wait for the Land Tax
        Lol
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:53pm
      - sooty
        
        Lipstick on the pig!
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:08pm
    - Duxton
      
      As much as I would like to see this as a positive, I can’t help but be suspicious. Two possibilities:
      
      1. They know the TV1 and Newshub polls are shonkey (eg, push-polling, excluding respondents on the grounds of age after asking them for about their voting intentions, instead of asking the age question first, etc), and that a Labour win is less likely than we are being told. As such, this is a limp attempt to retain a shred of credibility.
      
      2. Whale Oil has been going on about a king hit on National coming up any day now. Perhaps they have chosen a slow news day to ask an awkward question, knowing that it will not be answered before it is swamped by the bigger news story. Let’s see if HDPA and Jack-boi take the questions further.
      
      Then again, perhaps they have really looked beyond the lipstick and seen the sow.
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:09pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Sorry Captain,
    
    Everyone I know has voted early if voting strategically and voting ONE TICK BLUE!!!
    
    We’re voting for our local National Candidate for the electorate vote but on the party vote we’re hedging our bets and voting NZ First. If the unthinkable happens and Labour comes out on top, we need NZ First to act as a check the Socialist Reds.
    
    Ask yourself, when you look at the policies of NZ First and weigh them up against the ACTIONS of National over 9 long years, it is hard to argue that that there is any choice other than to hedge your bets
    
    http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/policies
    
    IMMIGRATION:
    Ensure family reunion members are strictly controlled and capped and there is fairness across all nationalities.
    
    Introduce a cap on the number of older immigrants because of the impact on health and other services.
    
    Develop strategies to encourage the regional dispersion of immigration to places other than Auckland. Auckland’s infrastructure is overloaded.
    
    Remove the ability to purchase a pre-paid English lesson voucher to bypass the minimum English entry requirements.
    
    MAORI AFFAIRS:
    Ensure that all policy-making is based on need and not on race, creed or colour.
    
    Ensure the future of the Maori seats is a decision for the people to make having examined the significant increase in representation numbers of Maori MPs under MMP.
    
    Direct resources to where they are of the greatest benefit. Rather than pour resources into separate development we should focus on providing high quality education for all our youth, on the basis of need.
    
    You know it, only NZ First make sense on the most important issues…..
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:27am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Trust is a wonderful thing. I hope it doesn’t come and bite anyone on the bottom.
      I know that Act will go with National.
      I do not know that Winnie (I mean NZ first) will go with labour.
      So please anyone who seriously wants a National government vote National candidate and Party vote Act.
      This is not a horse race where you hope that you are backing the winning horse with NZ First.
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:45am
      - GoVege
        
        After Winnie refused to join the minor leaders debate and state who he would work with, the Goveges are considering voting Green!
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        GoVege, have a look at the home page of the parties and then decide. Step out of the lying filth of Kb and the media, and see what the parties really say.
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:27pm
      - Piniwi
        
        A party vote for ACT is a wasted vote considering that the young fellow will retain his electoral seat and B) his polls indicate that there will never be enough protest vote to lift his party vote high enough to matter. Make it all for a safe pair of hands. Tick Two 4 Blue
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:37pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Even more importantly EAD – you have to take into account that a party vote for National is worth one third of a party vote for NZF.
      
      Last election:
      – National got one list seat per 59,500 party votes,
      – NZF (and hopefully Act this year will too) got approx one list seat per 19,000 party votes.
      
      If you want more seats for a centre right coalition – you shouldn’t party vote National!
      
      But all you ‘two ticks blue’ crowd, how do you feel that my one party vote is worth three of yours. How does that feel for truly disproportional representation??
      
      I’m still trying to work out whether to:
      – hold my nose and party vote NZF
      or
      – hold my nose and party vote Act
      
      Both make me sick, but both are better aligned to my centre right views than National are and I’ll be three times as effective at keeping Jacinda out as you ‘two ticks blue’ voters.
      
      MMP the voting system that brings us universally bad choices and guarantees electoral uncertainty – we’re going to get the government we deserve (for not voting to get rid of MMP).
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:47am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Hold your nose and party Vote Act, there is more life in that party. Check out the next in line to David Seymour, Beth Houlbrooke . Then look at the next ones in the Act Party.
        Then compare with Winnie’s line up. there is no comparison, Ron Mark, Shane Jones is anyone having a laugh at this point.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:58am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Indeed DifferentPerspective,
        
        As Einstein famously said the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
        
        Some of us will need to hold our noses but all us right wingers need to back National on the Electorate Vote but our Party Vote for NZ First is the crucial part.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:59am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “but on the party vote we’re hedging our bets and voting NZ First.”
      
      You must mix in some seriously deluded circles EAD-TWO. Party voting Winnie the Pooh will give us a Labour-led Govt. Is that what you want?
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:49am
    - niggly
      
      Umm, slight problem EAD, from last night’s news:
      
      1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll: Kiwis want NZ First to go with Labour, not National
      The latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton election poll has revealed Kiwis would prefer New Zealand First supports a Labour-led government.
      
      The poll asked would you prefer to see New Zealand First support a Labour or National-led government?
      
      The poll showed 46 per cent of respondents supported Labour, a third say National and seven per cent don’t want the party in government at all.
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-kiwis-want-nz-first-go-labour-not-national
      
      So vote NZF … there’s still that high chance they will go with Labour? 🙁
      
      In Horizon polls that figure is even higher (77% want NZF to side with Labour, up from 64% in 2014)! 🙁 🙁
      https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/winstons-choice-77-of-his-voters-prefer-labour-led
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:29am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      @EAD_TWO
      For the life of me I don’t see why anyone would do either of those two things.
      Are you and your friends all going to be away from your electorate on polling day? If not why the early vote?
      And why would anyone with half a brain want to vote for a man who is permanently pickled and who has a gaggle of nobodies behind him?
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:29am
    - softail 1450
      
      ead I hope your cheque arrives ,winston isn’t the best accountant as we all know.
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:42am
    - Camryn
      
      How is his $20 minimum wage and aggressive re-nationalisation agenda checking the socialists? Looks like enabling to me.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:00am
    - Prince
      
      Nz First policies are well to the left of Labour.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:31am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:34am
    - Camryn
      
      I kinda look forward to finding this in every thread… it’s great that someone is so super-happy with their pun and just can’t stop. I imagine you murmuring this to yourself in your sleep or maybe trying to drink a wine but suddenly remembering “tulixpu” and breaking into the giggles. Enjoy yourself, Gabby!
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:03am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 10, 2017 12:39pm
- BlueGriffon
  
  And Jack Tame http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11918679
  
  And Stacey Kirk https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96633168/stacey-kirk-move-over-john-key-jacinda-ardern-is-the-new-smiling-assassin
  
  Are the media seeing the danger in their ways? They wanted a close election but maybe not this close?
  
  The Taxinda name is getting around too, even real estate agents are using it https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1413947599.htm
  
  TWO TICKS BLUE
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:00am
  - Gabby
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    TULIXPU
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:38am
    - stigie
      
      You are so lucky Gobby that moderation here allows you to keep talking shit. The Stranded would permanently ban you !~
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:49am
      - GazzaW
        
        As would Slater………and justifiably so. It’s so fucken infantile. Beyond belief that a mature adult is so limited in their expression.
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:25am
      - redeye
        
        Are you sure it is a mature adult Gazza?
        
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        September 10, 2017 11:03am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Funny how he talks shit here but is surprisingly “intelligent” when you see him post at the standard. DPF should do us all a favour until the election is over.
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:30pm
      - niggly
        
        Hey that Gabby is a unique treasure and Kiwiblog should claim him exclusively as ours – I mean those turkey’s at The Standard can go stuff themselves, they should go find someone else that likes talking about shit and ya know what even if they eventually find someone else I bet they don’t talk anywhere as much shit as ‘our’ Gabby does! 😉
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:48pm
      - GoVege
        
        Jeeeezz!
        Its just a play on words.
        Nothing as bad as some of the really nasty stuff on here…
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:57pm
    - softail 1450
      
      gabby,still at it you crazy person.
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:46am
- Inandout
  
  It is merely pretend balance, because most Labour voters wouldn’t have a clue what paying income tax is. Had Jacinda said she would double the tax on beer there would be an outcry on FB.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:43am
  - VicParking
    
    Maybe thats to far from the truth. Water to go up, barley will certainly go up, Malt will go up. The price of transport and retail margins will need to go up. Tax the farmers, add global climate “Change” levies and it tricles down increasing as it goes.
    The great “unwashed” dont realise that if you Tax the “Rich Pricks” and it comes out of your pocket.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:36am
- Piniwi
  
  Wow HPDA can actually string a couple of words together that make a modicum of sense. Strong stuff from one so able to lie, cheap and deceive for the “story”. Must be the result of a little pillow talk otherwise it would have to wait for some hindsight. She might find herself a lot less popular amongst her “pee-ers” after failing to follow the script.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:30pm
hubbers

Labour 1984: Farmers, subsidies are expensive and make you lazy and inefficient. We’re taking them away.

Farmers 1984 to 2017: Through determination, diversification, innovation and bloody hard work, New Zealand farmers have become the envy of the world and our goods can be found in supermarkets across the globe.

Labour 2017: Oooooh you guys have done well! We’re going to tax your petrol, water, land, capital, inheritance (details to be provided later) and use that money to subsidise other parts of the economy (that are more likely to vote for us). #letstaxthis
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September 10, 2017 8:55am
- redeye
  
  That so many people are seemingly willing to vote for tax increases demonstrates just how well the everyone is doing under the current regime. Idiots.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:26am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Actually there is nothing stopping anyone voluntarily paying more tax if they wish.
    You don’t need your hand held by labour to forcibly take your extra tax .
    If you want to pay more go to the nearest IRD office and say I want to donate some money to the country. You might even end up on TV as a “good sort”.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:47am
    - holysheet
      
      Now you know that’s not true. look at the response from all the leftie fuckwits when the nice old rich prick in Wellington donated a brand new hospital to the city recently. $80 million and they decried him for having so much money.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:52am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      That’s right, or as I say to friends who ‘don’t mind paying more tax if it goes towards the right things’: You’d be a lot more certain of where your money goes if you simply made donations to those right things.
      
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      September 10, 2017 12:01pm
  - Inandout
    
    Look on the positive side redeye, holidaying within NZ will be a dream as locals stop spending and start paying Jacintax. We have already booked a short South Island trip, but we should have held back on paying for the touristy things until after the election.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:50am
  - hubbers
    
    Call me a cynic but I assume that when most people vote for tax increases, what they are really doing is voting for someone else’s tax to increase.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:53am
    - Prince
      
      And that’s where National screwed up. Their tax relief should have been effective April 1 2017 and forced Labour to campaign on income tax increase.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:39am
    - Piniwi
      
      Nailed it hubbers. That’s what Taxinda is selling to her start struck plebs. They just don’t get it but they sure are going to be got. The fact that some of the Media party are breaking ranks seems to indicate a southerly might have dissipated some of the smoke. Lets hope they transfer their enthusiasm to start asking her WTF?
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:52pm
- oldpark
  
  @Hubbers
  Agree amongst the many possible jackbooting over voters rights by the Sociopathic Lie-bour/Green mafias,The potential bashing and smashing of Farmers Human Rights,could well be the straw that that could be thea catalyst that will
  turn even the most red voter.,in the favour of Bill English and National Government.
  No where in the world is there an ETS on AGRICULTURE. In this instance in NZ,a possible criminal act on the backbone of our economy.our Farmers.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:45am
duggledog

Re DPF’s other post about the CGT not applying to the family home ‘unless the inheritors live there’:

1: Unless there is only one son or daughter, one estate with multiple benefactors is the quickest way to destroy sibling relationships forever. One wants to stay, another wants to be bought out etc. Never leave your estate for the kids to fight over.

2: The vast majority of parents will be in a retirement village or home before they die anyway, the way things are headed with rates etc. Nobody stays with their elderly folks in NZ society except PIs and Maori who often have no other choice or they have enormous families themselves.

Perhaps most importantly –

3: I have yet to see this outrageous revelation in any media save this one modest outlet. On its own that is unbelievable. Couldn’t even find it on its host, Newstalk ZB!

DPF’s post about the CGT not applying should be common knowledge, write large, and it would be enough to turn the tide against vampire Jacinda. But it isn’t.
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September 10, 2017 8:55am
- Gabby
  
  beneficiaries dangledung.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:41am
  - softail 1450
    
    gab, folk are starting to “flash”right past your comments ,perhaps you could explain how it feels to become irrelevant.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:51am
    - sooty
      
      Just another Hugh. Down tick as you pass thru.
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:21pm
    - Gabby
      
      It feels like a fat guy with male pattern baldness perched on an overweight bike designed for old ladies softcock.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:41pm
      - sooty
        
        As he looks in the mirror, while writing that.
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:25pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  And of course the retirement home when sold takes a hit as the Rest Home charges you. You never get back what you paid for it. Interesting has star dust thought of that. Seriously, has she thought at all.
  Bouncing round ideas for her famed working party who at this point don’t exist, do they? Or is it Helen and maybe old Cullen in the background.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:22am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Visiting my old folks in their retirement village this week. Will be ensuring they are fully aware of the “dead granny tax” and making sure they tell all the other residents they know…. I’ll also be reminding them of National’s tax cut next year. ?
    
    TWO TICKS BLUE!!!
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:33am
    - Gabby
      
      TULIXPU!!!
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:39pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I have yet to see this outrageous revelation in any media…
  
  Oh, won’t someone think of the children (of the wealthy)?
  
  There’s a reason why most people don’t give a shit about the arcane details of how the wealthy pass their shit on to their pampered offspring. If you think about it long enough, I’m sure you’ll figure it out.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:57am
  - tom hunter
    
    There’s a reason why most people don’t give a shit about the arcane details of how the wealthy pass their shit on to their pampered offspring.
    
    Most people in NZ don’t have two bob to rub together, in either assets or income?
    
    Most people in NZ blame this on people wealthier than they and can only thinking of tearing them down via the state?
    
    Most people are gimlet-eyed thugs who can’t even imagine building up some wealth?
    
    Most people are doe-eyed, happy-faced morons who willing hand over as much dosh as possible to the state and then leave the lives of their offspring completely dependent on its care?
    
    There you go! Multiple reasons.
    
    You’re proving to be a goldmine today, Psycho!
    
    Printers! Stat!
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:23am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Too much coffee today?
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:14pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Champagne and oysters, good sir! Champagne and oysters.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:27pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Served with a pate of dead baby, seasoned with perspiration from the brow of an 8-year sweat shop worker who generates the filthy lucre with which the tom hunter estate is kept in the manner to which is accustomed. So just a traditional Tory Sunday brunch, 😉
        
        Did I mention that as a former Labour Party member I once used to believe something not too divorced from that? Jim Anderton: “The rich should pay more tax because they can afford it” = the rich deserve to be robbed more as they can afford it. 😉
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:31pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    So wealthy = paid off your home??
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      Welcome to class envy.
      
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      September 10, 2017 12:47pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        As long as there’s been societies, the people who run them have assumed dissatisfaction among the people who do the work must be a matter of envy – what else could possibly explain it?
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:17pm
      - tom hunter
        
        … among the people who do the work…
        
        Like those despised, National voting tradies! Class traitors I think such people were once called.
        
        … among the people who do the work…. That’s another keeper. Did I say you were a goldmine of quotes today? More like diamond-sealed platinum.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        Like those despised, National voting tradies! Class traitors I think such people were once called.
        
        No, they still are:
        
        Second MP attacks Mad Butcher for ties to Key
        1 Oct, 2011 5:30am
        
        Rugby-netball double international Louisa Wall is sticking up for fellow Labour MP Darien Fenton over her attack on the public “bromance” between the Mad Butcher Sir Peter Leitch and Prime Minister John Key.
        
        This week, Ms Fenton called Sir Peter a “sycophant” and said he was “sucking up to John Key big time. I’m never going near him again.”
        
        “I choose not to buy stuff from those who support Tories.”
        
        She was reacting to Sir Peter’s public endorsement of Mr Key and invitation to him to watch the Warriors at tomorrow’s NRL grand final.
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        Late on Thursday, she apologised on Labour’s Red Alert blog and called Sir Peter “a top bloke”.
        
        Most Labour MPs, including party leader Phil Goff, distanced themselves from Ms Fenton’s outburst, calling it unwise.
        
        But Ms Wall, who is back in Parliament for a second stint as a list MP, said the comments were misinterpreted, and she shared the disappointment at Sir Peter’s support for Mr Key – despite admiring his work.
        
        “We would have assumed Sir Peter was a working-class champion,” Ms Wall said.
        
        “If you look at what the National Government has done, it has taken workers’ rights backwards.”
        
        Ms Wall, who is contesting the safe Labour seat of Manurewa, said “personal is political”, and Sir Peter could not endorse Mr Key without endorsing his policies…
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10755757
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:40pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Who would have thought that I was the child (one of six) of a wealthy woman ie my mother, who has no income except for her pension and owns our family home that my dad paid off in the 70’s.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:41pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Who would have thought that I was the child (one of six) of a wealthy woman…
        
        Not me. You seem to be the only one assuming that.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:56pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Second MP attacks Mad Butcher for ties to Key
        
        The ignorant often imagine that “working class” essentially means people who are ill-educated and have a boorish manner, which then leads them to consider a successful businessman like Peter Leitch “working class,” even though you’d think the term “successful businessman” would be a bit of a giveaway as to his actual class.
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:00pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “a bit of a giveaway as to his actual class.”
        
        Yes, successful working class. How dare he not stay poor and vote Labour! Class traitor!
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:03pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Oh look – I mention ignorance of what social class is and Shawn gives us a demonstration – thank you, Shawn!
        
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        September 10, 2017 3:10pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Oh look – I mention ignorance of what social class is and Shawn gives us a demonstration – thank you, Shawn!
        
        In the year 2017, I don’t think the person who defines whether one is working class or not, on the basis of whether they earn money being self-employed or via a wage, is blessed with the self-awareness to call others ignorant.
        
        God, no wonder Labour-Greens are making no headway with Tradies who work with their hands all day, if that’s the quality of class analysis being brought to bear by the activists.
        
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        September 10, 2017 3:31pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        In the year 2017, “working class” means what it has for the last couple of centuries: the class of people who live by selling their labour to an employer for wages. Nothing magically happened in the last 30 years to alter that definition.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:05pm
      - tom hunter
        
        the class of people who live by selling their labour to an employer for wages. Nothing magically happened in the last 30 years to alter that definition.
        
        Well aside from said working class developing a somewhat different definition based on their own life experiences selling their labour.
        
        But what would they know? I look forward to you selling that to a group of Electricians, Plumbers and other self-employed workers. Bonus points for use of the terms, “indentured servitude”, “oppressor class” and/or “exploiter class”.
        
        Super bonus points if you make it out alive!
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:02pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Is there something about “people who live by selling their labour to an employer for wages” that you fail to understand? The self-employed are about as relevant to that discussion as property developers would be.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:42pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Although to be fair, the recent scam in which employers call their employees “independent contractors” so they can weasel out of their responsibilities to them is very relevant.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:44pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Is there something about “people who live by selling their labour to an employer for wages” that you fail to understand?
        
        Not at all but I still think you’re grasping at this whole “people who do the work” thing – not to mention a 21st century of robotics and increasingly powerful IT that is not going to be kind to ideologues focused on that group and ignoring…
        
        The self-employed are about as relevant …
        
        Oh dear.
        
        So your plan for Left-wing electoral success over the next few decades is converting the latter into the former – via resurgent unions I assume – and continuing to declare the latter as not relevant?
        
        Super. Can’t wait to see it in action.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:13pm
    - tom hunter
      
      I guess. By that measure….
      
      I was wealthy in 2000 – until I invested in a NZ startup Internet company, and changed houses because we’d concluded that our one was not worth fixing up.
      
      I was wealthy again in 2005 – before the first phase of house renovation started on the house we’d bought.
      
      Then I was wealthy again in 2007 – until the 2nd phase of house renovation started (NOTE: the reason for two phases was the Building Act and the Resource Management Act, and the two year delay resulted in an extra $100 stacks because of rising prices. Thanks Helen).
      
      I was planning to be wealthy again around mid-2018, but I guess we’ll just have to now wait on CGT, land tax, water tax, ……
      
      Funny thing about human lives; they’re so much more complicated than rigid class divisions and dialectical materialism.
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:10pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I have a similar wealth story. Charted, mine looks like a sine wave 🙂
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:35pm
  - holysheet
    
    Taking this granny tax to its next conclusion. When all these oldies sell their homes to move into aged care, the CGT paid on their homes leaves them with less money to pay for this care. (At present $4350 a month) When they use up all their depleted savings after paying CGT, who will pick up the price of their care? You And me the taxpayers, that’s who
    
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    September 10, 2017 12:00pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yeah Psycho, that’s why my parents scrimped and saved and were careful spenders their whole working life, they were waiting to leave the biggest chunk possible in new taxes to Taxinda in their twighlight years and after death!! ???
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:07pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      My parents scrimped and saved and were careful spenders their whole lives, and were taxed on all their income. You’d rather you weren’t taxed on yours when it consists of an inheritance – tough shit, pay up just like wage and salary earners have to.
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:08pm
      - holysheet
        
        When is an inheritance classed as income for tax purposes? You are a jealous old prick. I bet if your parents throughout their lives had not pissed and smoked all their meager income away (that’s assuming they were workers and not bludgers) and left it to you, your attitude to this would be totally different.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:23pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Get stuffed Psycho – plenty of tax paid on that estate already.
        You grasping bloody socialists make me puke with your never-ending greedy pick-pocketing and envy.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:29pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I bet if your parents throughout their lives had not pissed and smoked all their meager income away (that’s assuming they were workers and not bludgers) and left it to you, your attitude to this would be totally different.
        
        I hope my old Mum is busy spending the lot on enjoying her old age (which won’t consist of pissing or smoking it away if the rest of her life is any indication) and not hoarding it to hand on to us, her children, who have plenty of our own dosh already. But kudos for highlighting that right-wing inability to consider politics in any terms other than naked self-interest.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:48pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Because Bill English isn’t doing his job and telling kiwis about all these tax threats constantly in campaigning.
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:04pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Bill English is claiming tax threats from Labour every time he opens his mouth during this campaign, but it’s difficult to get cut-through with that when voters are aware of his own history as Min of Fin.
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:19pm
Odakyu-sen

In my dreams…

“Labour 2017: Beneficiaries capable of working, subsidies are expensive and make you lazy and inefficient. We’re taking them away.”
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September 10, 2017 8:57am
Happychappy

I see the Herald has finally come out and questioned whether what Jacinda and Labour are doing is good for NZ and why they are not coming clean about their tax policy. Is’nt it great the media has had 21 days to really put the pressure on about this policy and 13 days out from polling day they finally ask some tough questions.
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September 10, 2017 9:02am
Monique Watson

Capital Gains Tax is neither here or fucking there apart from being a thorn in the side. The market will adjust and pass on a cost increase to the purchaser and this will further act to dry up supply and increase house prices. This will not bode well for the economy or the fluidity of money. But the Bimbo and her Tribe of Scrotes will justify anything to get their hands on more taxpayer’s money.
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September 10, 2017 9:02am
- sam green
  
  There goes the sisterhood. ?
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:56am
cmm

How can Cindy claim o be honest? Even the lipstick is a lie.

Lipstick, and some other make up, makes women look aroused (ie sexually available) by accentuating the markers out lizard brain keys in on: engorged lips, neck, such.

And we all know that that bit of our lizard brain turns off “big head” thinking and turns on “little head” thinking.

It is deception. If Jacinda was as honest and transparent as she claims, then she wouldn’t use any make up at all.

For those that don’t believe me, have a look at a woman’s face and neck while she’s enjoying sex (and I don’t mean just looking at porn).

And yes, ztev: National women also wear make up, but they are not making the claims Jacinda is making.
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September 10, 2017 9:03am
- srylands
  
  That is a fairly bizarre comment.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:52am
- sam green
  
  You sir are a wanker.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear, cmm, you seem to be upsetting some of the primates this morning.
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3326027/
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:20am
  - holysheet
    
    I suppose if our blood was blue, then the favorite colour to signal sexual availability would be blue. It’s all to do with the male and female sexual organs being engorged with blood at the time of arousal.
    
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    September 10, 2017 12:05pm
  - cmm
    
    Maggy, it really is no different to blokes walking around with a false boner in their pants.
    
    ie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codpiece
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:20pm
- softail 1450
  
  ztev isn’t out of bed yet.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:53am
  - RF
    
    She is looking after housework as hubby has to do a day shift at the Gulag.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:02pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Lipstick also makes women smarter!
  
  Or at the very least improves our cognitive abilities.
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:04pm
  - KevOB
    
    Has that been tested using Sprague Dawley rats?
    
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    September 10, 2017 12:55pm
  - cmm
    
    “Lipstick also makes women smarter!”
    
    Blokes will say anything if they think it might help them getting laid.
    
    It’s just biology!
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:21pm
BlueGriffon

I have a new tax for Taxinda. How about a bedroom tax Cindy? Tax people on their spare bedrooms, that should make housing more affordable.
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September 10, 2017 9:06am
- cmm
  
  And shoe tax. Nobody needs more than one pair of shoes.
  
  And flash clothing tax. Nobody needs more than fleece pants and a Tshirt. Of course MeTu is exempt
  
  And bring back the TV license, but this time on each TV, not just the house hold.
  
  And internet tax. Nobody needs more that 1Gbytes per month.
  
  And lawnmower tax, weed-free lawn tax, etc etc. Why should anyone have more than a state house?
  
  And KFC tax, err, oops, no that’s a cultural necessity.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:13am
  - Debbie
    
    Please, don’t give them ideas ?
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:42am
  - holysheet
    
    And when that’s still not raising enough tax, introduce a tax on a tax. Have a second layer of taxes.
    What we need is a financial transaction tax. With so much activity going on electronically now, a FTT of .05 c per transaction would raise billions. No need for a CGT or any other new taxes.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:52am
    - tf78
      
      Helen Clark was trying to bring that in when she was at the UN. – Don’t even think of going there!
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:57am
      - holysheet
        
        Why not?
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:07pm
    - cmm
      
      We already have that: GST on rates.
      
      Yes, some rates are for services, but some are flat-out tax for social engineering purposes.
      
      For example here in Chch there are rate-payer funded council houses. Not sure why we need those. Why isn’t this service being run by HNZ?
      
      If the GST was being applied properly it would only be on the service portion of rates, not the whole rates.
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:25pm
- sooty
  
  Would you have to pay time, amount, or mileage?
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:32pm
- RF
  
  Or what about a bed tax. 3 in a bed could be expensive for loverboy.
  
  He might receive a discount for sleeping with the boss.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:07pm
cmm

Take a deep breath and reflect on this: we’ve lived though and serviced way worse than three years (more likely less than a year) of Jacinda.

People are resilient. We’re designed to cope, it is only the victim culture of the last 30 or so years that has made us weak.

A nice video worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNR6cbq7iyk

It is only less than 5 minutes, but worth it.
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September 10, 2017 9:06am
Sam A

This needs to go far and wide. Let’s face it: This is the real deal, real life experience, school of hard knocks, over against the school of fish and chips:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/pW3tj_X91xE
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September 10, 2017 9:07am
Nukuleka

The sad thing about DPF’s posting yesterday of RNZ’s hit job on ‘Meet a NZ First supporter’ is the sheer duplicity of the article itself and the naivety of DPF’s response.

It is truly nonsense to make generalisations about the inherent goodness or badness of any political party’s supporters, and careful questioning and even more selective reporting can make even the most innocuous supporter come across as a rampant one-eyed xenophobic arsehole. My sibling’s family vote Labour out of habit and are the most racist NZers one could find. One could find National, ACT, and Labour supporters who would similar views to those expressed by the NZ First voters if one was of a mind. And the RNZ reporter was clearly ‘of a mind’ at the Rangiora NZ First meeting.

And it just so happened that one of them was an Amercian citizen who claimed to have voted for Trump. How convenient was that for the RNZ anti-Trump narrative- and how nicely it also tied in with DPF’s serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

It’s ok- I will still be voting TWO TICKS BLUE!
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September 10, 2017 9:08am
- EAD_TWO
  
  See above Nukueleka,
  
  electorate vote = National
  party vote = NZ First
  
  You know it makes sense. Keep the Commies out!
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:32am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    By party voting NZF, you will be ensuring the commies get in. Idiot.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:17am
    - Scorpion
      
      DON THE COMMO
      YOU ARE THE COMMUNISTS
      
      YOU ARE THE TRAITORS
      AND YOU
      ARE THE COWARDS OF NZ
      
      YOU AND FAT DENSE MIDDLE NZ
      
      NATIONAL ARE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS
      AND YOU F U C KING KNOW IT
      
      YOU TWO BIT BULL SH*T ARTISTS
      
      HOW MANY OTHER CHILD RAPISTS
      ARE THE SCUM OF THE NATIONAL
      SOCIALIST PARTY OF NZ HIDING
      AND WHERE?
      
      JOHN KEY WAS
      A FINANCIAL TERRORIST
      
      AND YOU ARE SCUM OF THE
      EARTH WHO SOLD NZ DOWN THE TOILET
      FOR AN 11 CENT TAX BREAK
      
      What are you GOING TO CAMPAIGN for
      THIS TERM
      
      WIPING YOUR FAT MIDDLE
      NZ A R SE ON THE FLAG
      
      AND the right to F U C K SHEEP
      
      THAT IS ALL THE NATIONAL
      SOCIALIST PARTY OF NZ STANDS FOR
      
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      September 10, 2017 9:42pm
  - softail 1450
    
    ead ,the cheques in the mail.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:56am
- Gabby
  
  TULIXPU!
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:44am
duggledog

Remember when Helen dropped the big bribe in the dying days of Labour’s second to last administration?

I recall the jaws of the centre-right dropping as they knew such outrageous behaviour would not only continue the destruction of NZ Inc but also win her the election.

Now, National must do the same however unpalatable it may be. They must recreate the jaw-dropping but in reverse.

What would it be? What would make the Labour strategists go: ‘You f***ing c***s’ Whatever that is, do it.

Kiwis are fickle. They are shit house with money. They will go for whatever $ is dropped in front of them, but it has to be something they can use and spend straight away.

Do something Bill English. Do it now. Can I recommend a drop in the fuel excise, don’t underestimate how easily the electorate can be bought.
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September 10, 2017 9:13am
- Gabby
  
  They could promise to bring in Seemore Coq’s kill your granny law. Free houses!
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:45am
- Southern Raider
  
  National introduces a UBI. Not saying I agree with it but Labour would be completely blindsided
  
  And do it in a Labour way where you promote the $300 per week before the election and then tell everyone after the election you are cancelling WFF etc
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Bring the tax cuts forward IMMEDIATELY, before the election!
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:59am
- Psycho Milt
  
  They’re already doing it in small ways – look at Anne Tolley finally announcing there will be an inquiry into abuse in state care, now that she can be confident a Labour minister will suffer the fallout.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:18am
  - GoVege
    
    Yes…the Maori Party has been lobbying hard-out for that inquiry into abuse in state care.
    Wonder when they are going to lobby for an inquiry into abuse in Maori HOMES?
    Suppose that doesn’t lead to millions in compensation. …
    
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    September 10, 2017 5:27pm
fylde

This Damian Light is much better than Peter Dunne – pity he is getting no media and his run is too late.
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September 10, 2017 9:13am
- fluffykiwi
  
  From what I saw he would go with the left, as he perceives them to be the winner. Just like Mr Dunne. Dunne was labour then became who knows what Mr Dunne became. I am sure the ethos of the party remains go with the winner no matter what. Swing with the wind.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  The Unbearable Lightness of Being comes to mind.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:55am
- softail 1450
  
  a pet Labrador would be better than dunne.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:58am
jedmo

I grew up in Nelson, there was always rivalry in the daily paper, radio, with Marlborough wrt to annual sunshine hours, sometimes Marlborough got more than Nelson! The clear assumption being that these areas had similar weather.
I’ve recently been working in Renwick, comparisons with Siberia might be unkind to that country, icy southerly half the day icy northerly the other half.
Is there a forum where you can get the truth a region’s weather? I used to work in Invercargill in mid winter, and went home to Dunedin on weekends, contrary to possible perceptions, Invercargill was always warmer than Dunedin.
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September 10, 2017 9:13am
- Southern Raider
  
  Studied in Dunedin. It is a wet damp cold shit hole
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:54am
  - Inandout
    
    Went to Dunedin for a few days one mid summer and wondered why no one was swimming at St Kilda Beach. Then I dipped my toes in the water…..
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:57am
    - Southern Raider
      
      And then there is the sharks
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:00am
      - holysheet
        
        Not only in the water either.
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is there a forum where you can get the truth a region’s weather?
  
  Some folks around the world are starting to run their own Met stations to check up on all the adjustments and omissions the “official” stations are making.
  
  But beware…
  Officials don’t like Joe Public pointing out the errors in their work.
  http://joannenova.com.au/2017/09/bom-review-finds-skeptics-were-right-but-say-trust-us-it-doesnt-matter/#comments
  
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  September 10, 2017 11:34am
fylde

Not a climate change denier but I laughed when Wellington moved the council weather station to a sheltered warmer spot.
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September 10, 2017 9:15am
- cmm
  
  That sort of thing has been going on for a long time, even without deliberately moving the stations.
  
  Many of the longest serving weather stations are at airports because they need temperature and pressure to calculate take-off weight etc, and pressure to determine altitude.
  
  But take a look at something like SFO in San Francisco. It started in the 1940s as a strip in a cow paddock and over the years has changed to being approx 3 square km of asphalt and concrete with air conditioners belting out hot air.
  
  Anyone that compares data from 20 years ago to what it is now is being very mischievous.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:23am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Love it cmm
    Whine about airports etc and at the same time whine about the homogenization process that looks for and removes such distortions.
    If you get the raw data and remove all the airports you find the result matches the adjusted data.
    http://variable-variability.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/some-programing-skills-compute-global-temperatures.html
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:32am
    - cmm
      
      The problem with any homogenization process is that you have to apply a “correction model”. That basically means you have to fully understand the system first.
      
      For an over simplified example, you might say: let’s correct SFO temperatures by taking off 5 degrees.
      
      Ok, so why did you choose 5 degrees and not 7 degrees or 2 degrees?
      
      The system is not well understood – certainly not enough to make accurate correction models, so eventually people end up applying the tweaks that give them the results they want.
      
      If you have a chance (and the skill to reading computer code) have a look at the models used by UEA. They have various tweak factors in that with no derivation based on physics. The derivations are based on what gives the “expected” (ie. desired) results.
      
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      September 10, 2017 1:31pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It’s OK cmm – just so long as you remember that every single time that temperature data is tampered with in favour of showing global warming – it was simply a “mistake”. And it’ll be “looked into”.
    
    Funny how all the “mistakes” are in favour of the AGW lie!
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:40am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Funny that the actual difference between raw and adjusted global temperatures is less warming not more
      https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/noaa_world_rawadj_annual.png
      I don’t think you are lying .
      I just think you don’t have an idea instead rabbit rubbish you get from sources that only the really stupid believe.
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Australian Bureau of Meteorology doesn’t even know how to take temperatures properly
      
      http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/09/vindicated-bureau-not-following-wmo-guidelines/
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Moved it to Auckland
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:24am
- marcw
  
  The same was done in Christchurch – the weather station was shifted from a central Hagley Park grass location to a large building in a heavily built up area in Riccarton, with a sheltered rail corridor and a huge heat sink effect on their boundary. Yes, the park location was being affected, but the Urban Heat Island effect in Kyle Street is very significant.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:34am
  - MrTips
    
    The Hagley station is still there walked past it the other day. NIWA just ignore it and it’s historical records. Dishonest really.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Paper on the Urban Heat effect in Christchurch – published in 1981.
    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450(1981)020%3C0365:VKECOH%3E2.0.CO%3B2
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:58am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s only “Climate Change” when it bring negative effects.
  
  If the climate changed to fewer hurricanes, floods or droughts, the media would be silent.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:33am
  - cmm
    
    Like the greening of the sahara desert….
    
    Plant leaves have pores (stomata) which must be opened up to allow CO2 in so the plants can eat.
    
    Unfortunately water is lost through open stomata by a process known as transiration.
    
    With lower CO2 levels the plants have to open up more stomata to allow in enough CO2, but that increases water loss.
    
    With higher CO2 levels the plants get by with less stomata open and therefore lose less water and can therefore can survive in areas with less water.
    
    That means better crop yields with less irrigation, but it also means the marginal areas around deserts are now supporting more plant life and are greening up.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:45am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Sounds like a self-dampening mechanism to me. Higher CO2 levels -> more vegetation -> greater sequestering of CO2.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:02am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, can’t have a self-dampening mechanism…
        
        That would interfere with the tipping point narrative.
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:50pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    If the climate changed to fewer hurricanes,
    
    When you make a comment it helps of you have an idea about what you are commenting on
    Climate change is projected to result in fewer hurricanes.
    The ones that do from will be stronger and carry more rain.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:59am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Gruffydd,
      
      You make my point. I was talking about negative effects.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:04am
Michael

I see that photo of who I believe is Grant Robertson [but perhaps not] is still showing when you google Kiwiblog.
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September 10, 2017 9:22am
wally

I went to the opening function of our accounting firm’s new office this week. There were some very wealthy people there. The partner giving the speech said they were looking forward to the election. He said if National “win” then all the firm’s clients would continue to do well and the firm would be busy. If it’s Labour’s turn then they’re going to be flat out with all the tax planning.Either way they win.
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September 10, 2017 9:27am
- kevn
  
  Wal.. Yep, the rick pricks will just step over any new tax laws. Bound to be poorly concieved and worded, bean counters dream. Easy (but not cheap..)
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:51am
- cmm
  
  Cool for the accountants, but the really productive people (farmers, factories,…) will get screwed over.
  
  There is however some potential up-side for them too. Screw the NZD through the floorboards and it helps those of us who deal on the international stage in other currencies.
  
  I earn some of my income in GBP and USD. With a weaker NZD that gives me more NZD.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:48am
Victor Omega

Lost count of the number of times the Labour TV ad ran yesterday. Didn’t see a National ad once. There must be serious George Soros-esq funding behind Labour’s campaign. Hope someone follows the money.
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September 10, 2017 9:35am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  I agree with that. More to the point, I engaged at one point with watching On Demand. The download (on every program on TVOne) kept eventually hanging and every time I restarted it, the Labour ad ran. Eventually, I gave up to watch videos instead. But the same thought crossed my mind – who is paying for the replays of the Labour ads – over and over and over again?
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:44am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Indeed, TV on demand gives the advertiser far more air time.
    Maybe there should be a meter on the number of times it is “clicked” or paid and a bill sent and a return made to the Electoral Office.
    
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    September 10, 2017 9:53am
stigie

That’s scary wally, they still need to eat the food from our farmers !~
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September 10, 2017 9:36am
Michael

David Farrar is now Grant Robertson, going by the photo that shows with this precis.
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September 10, 2017 9:42am
- sam green
  
  He’s a shill for he left don’t you know.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:00am
Shaun the Sheep

Watching Q&A.
Wish someone would take the microphone off the blathering has-been Winston.
Glad he missed the minor parties debate, wish he’d miss the rest as well.
The rude, arrogant combination of Peters and Parker is completely toxic.
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September 10, 2017 9:42am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  I started watching and couldn’t stand it after the first part.
  
  I’m sure there is some sophisticated reason why it can’t be done, but what is this obsession with wanting to turn NZ into some nannying Police state rather than making manufacturers responsible?
  
  There was a discussion about personal responsibility for climate change which, at one point, was talking about non-biodegradable plastic bag use and whether the government should make laws against it for the individual (in the same way they have for mobile phone use) – to ‘give a signal’. How bizarre is that?
  
  Marama Fox at least said she aims to use non-biodegradable plastic bags. Winston, at least, mentioned that there is so much other plastic packaging that the bags are negligible.
  
  If government is going to make any laws, surely it needs to regulate the manufacture of plastic packaging to ensure it is all biodegradable – and worldwide. Why on earth would you push the responsibility onto individuals for using what is created and marketed to encourage them to do it?
  
  What’s even more ridiculous is none of the candidates, other than Winston, even hinted at the fact that ‘climate change’ and the environment being macro issues, they need to be dealt with on macro levels by the government, not by government sending the Police etc. after individuals – or encouraging individuals to harass and bully each other, which seems to have become the NZ ‘way’.
  
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  September 10, 2017 9:58am
  - holysheet
    
    Newsflash, the drunken dwarf recycles his empty whiskey bottles. Good on him.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:17am
    - RalphT
      
      It’s a pity we don’t get money back on the empties in NZ otherwise Winston would soon be able to repay the &158,000 he us the country
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:52am
krazykiwi

Yesterday I had a coversation with a teacher at Epsom Girls Grammar. In her class of year 13 girls…

1. Every.Single.One. Is votong for Jacinda
2. Not. One. Of. Them. Can name a Labour policy
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September 10, 2017 9:49am
- sam green
  
  Can they name a National policy?
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:03am
  - doggone7
    
    Can they name an Act policy? Could their parents who’ll all be voting for Seymour?
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:19am
  - kevn
    
    SG… can prob only name a toothy individual.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Who knows? What we do know is that after 13 years of developing critical, thought these presumably intelligent young women have no idea of the impact of their vote. According to their teacher, they are voting for Jacinda because she’s a woman.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:31am
    - softail 1450
      
      KK , welcome to libtarded NZ ,it may be to late to save us but at least we can be happy inside that within a few short years we will be legally allowed to marry a cat.
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:05am
    - Flash
      
      That’d be right.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:40pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I’d be very surprised if Every. Single. One. of a year 13 class was 18 years’ old.
  
  Also: why do you think National’s support’s dropped so drastically since Key quit? All those people carefully considered National’s policies and rejected them, do you think?
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, I’d be surprised. Perhaps the teacher was referring to those who could vote
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:32am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I told my 18-year-old that socialist policies could see a significant chunk of her possible inheritance being taken by the State.
    
    She turned white.
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:36am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Told my kids that they needn’t expect anything when I snuff it because I plan on spending the lot. Inherited wealth is toxic to strength of character.
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:43am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        What I might inherit is not mine to spend. I would only spend what I have earned myself. (I believe in keeping capital within the family for future generations.)
        The trick is not to give family capital to children until they have raised a family. (The idea is to reward productivity.)
        
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        September 10, 2017 11:08am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Inherited wealth is toxic to strength of character.”
        
        I understand what you are saying; however, I regard inherited wealth as a double-edged tool. It has to be applied properly and managed prudently.
        
        If you inherit a house from your parents, you ought to pass that house on to your children. And if you have no children, then on to your niece or nephew.
        
        In Japan (especially in more conservative parts), the customs of inheritance are well defined. (The State takes a 40% cut.) Inheritance often passes down the male line of the family. If a man has no sons, he will legally adopt his son-in-law so that the family name may continue.
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:06pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        A young man can choose to regard his possible inheritance as either a safety net or a hammock.
        
        Wise parents will train their children to think of it as the former and to realize that they are very likely to be into their late 50s (with their own grown children) before the parents pass away.
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:11pm
      - holysheet
        
        It’s easy to say that psycho, when you have nothing to leave.
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:14pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Inherited wealth is toxic to strength of character.
        
        A thoughtful contribution from Mr Milt.
        
        Now, lets see if all our Lefties here today can think of other examples in life where being given free money is “toxic to strength of character”.?
        
        Righties get to contribute suggestions too!
        
        Hmmmmmm……
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:18pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Psycho when your on welfare it might be to hard to convince the kids that you had a inheritance for them.
        
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        September 10, 2017 12:45pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        It’s easy to say that psycho, when you have nothing to leave.
        
        It’s pretty fucking easy when you have, too. People who have so much money they can’t spend it all are pretty thin on the ground.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:28pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Now, lets see if all our Lefties here today can think of other examples in life where being given free money is “toxic to strength of character”.?
        
        I realise that right-wingers consider it a shame that we have a social welfare system, because the character-building benefits of putting the children of the poor up chimneys, sending them down mines or making them available as prostitutes have thereby been lost to society. However, the less empathy-challenged recognise that there’s a difference between maintaining a social welfare system and fighting to ensure that the wealthy aren’t taxed on the largesse they leave to their already-privileged children.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:35pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “I realise that right-wingers consider it a shame that we have a social welfare system”
        
        Bollocks, I have no problem with having a welfare system. And most here I suspect support some level of welfare. There may be a small number of libertarian nuts, but even ACT supports having welfare.
        
        You really do talk a load of shite psycho.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:41pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I realise that right-wingers consider it a shame….
        
        Blah, blah, blah. Explaining is losing – though I always enjoy your manner of speech when you’re in full Psycho I realise that right-wingers… mode.
        
        Think of it this way: over on the CGT-on-Grannies-House thread, your fellow “reasonable” Leftie, eszett, is busy claiming that there’s no difference between capital income and wage/salary/business income, and they should be treated the same in terms of tax.
        
        Similarly, since you’re the one who pontificated about how free money via inheritance is ” toxic to strength of character”, I just wondered whether you had any concerns about other types of free money affecting that crucial quality of humans?
        
        … or making them available as prostitutes…
        
        Speaking of which… Help, I Can’t Stop Hooking Up With Trump Supporters, in which it seems some Millennial chick can’t stop dropping her pants every time a MAGA hat walks by.
        
        I started arguing with a Trump supporter at a bar and then before I knew it, I was waking up the next morning in his bedroom. There were flags everywhere: Ronald Reagan’s face was emblazoned on one of them, “Don’t Tread On Me” made an appearance on another.
        
        God, I hope that’s not Psycho’s experience, but I know so little of working class mores.
        
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        September 10, 2017 1:55pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Meh – you’re the one drawing false equivalence between inherited wealth and other forms of non-earned income like social welfare.
        
        Although, to be fair, they are both toxic to strength of character, just in different ways. It’s pretty clear that being subjected to the calculated humiliations and abuses WINZ subjects its victims to would indeed be corrosive of self-esteem. Inherited wealth is corrosive in an entirely different way.
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:22pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        God, I hope that’s not Psycho’s experience…
        
        Well, I’ll try anything once, but being male and over-50 I suspect the opportunity to try that one isn’t likely to be presented…
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:24pm
      - tom hunter
        
        🙂
        
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        September 10, 2017 2:33pm
      - GoVege
        
        Odakyu: did you say that in Japan the state gets a 40% cut of inheritances?
        Wow! !
        And here’s Kiwis whinging about a possible 30?
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:51pm
    - doggone7
      
      An 18 year old who believes what her/his parents tell them?
      Can 18 year olds rationalise about their parents’, foibles, prejudices and ignorance?
      
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      September 10, 2017 10:56am
- Southern Raider
  
  The ridiculousness is that is the princesss declared today that we was splitting from labour to form a more progressive party she could still get 25% of the vote, even if that party had no name, no policies and no one on the list
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:36am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    So, pretty much like John Key then. Sucks when it’s the other side benefiting from people’s stupidity, huh?
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:44am
- Gabby
  
  They. Are. Prolly. Fibbing. To. Stay. Onside. With. The. Popular. Girl.
  
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  September 10, 2017 2:24pm
kevn

K.K… School kids, yep, schools, her favourite hunting ground, no real adults asking awkward questions.
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September 10, 2017 10:00am
Tauhei Notts

I have been thinking about my Friday night drinks session. Last Friday it was with young blokes aged 23 to 30.
Why aren’t you fullas in the City?
There is always one bloke who had his 18th birthday last week and wants to start and might win a fight. I’m sick of that shit. What about if you want a stray root?
It’s served up on a plate if you want one.
What about the election. National to a man. Then I thought a bit more. None of them had a student loan; all tradies. All on a 30% or in some cases 33% marginal tax rate. They drink a power of piss.
Then I thought that just as the polls got Brexit wrong, there is this underswell in NZ that the pollsters are missing.
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September 10, 2017 10:03am
- doggone7
  
  Drinking piss, wanting to start a fight, wanting a stray root?
  
  The underswell in NZ that the pollsters are missing?
  Hell, if they were rugby players the media wouldn’t be missing them.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:18am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Then I thought that just as the polls got Brexit wrong, there is this underswell in NZ that the pollsters are missing.
  
  I don’t think any political scientist in the country would be shocked and stunned to discover that tradies tend to vote National. A groundswell consisting of your existing support base isn’t the stuff surprise election results are made of.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:23am
  - Flash
    
    I know a couple of 19yo who are going to vote blue. They are 1st year uni.
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      Conservative uni students…yuk!
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:19pm
- tom hunter
  
  I don’t think any political scientist in the country would be shocked and stunned to discover that tradies tend to vote National. A groundswell consisting of your existing support base …
  
  National supported by the working class – who’ve abandoned Labour!
  
  Always good to have hardline Lefties admit this.
  
  One of the great things about the Internet/blogs/tweets etc, is how it’s outed the hardliners over the years. The common wisdom was that this would be bad for the Right because it would show what heartless bastards we were and turn people off.
  
  Turns out that the opposite has happened. Over the years I’ve rather enjoyed taking the occasional printout or screenshot of what has been said by the likes of Psycho, doggone7, ross001, ztev and marquees (and others going back in time), and showing it to people who were thinking of voting Labour-Green – to point out to them that this what the Left-base really think of those who have bought a second house to try and build a nest egg, or who’ve bitched about useless mongs they’ve hired for their little tradie businesses and so forth.
  
  Quite eye-opening for them. Don’t know for sure if it has swung votes, but it certainly has made people sit up and think.
  
  Well done you guys. More. More!!!! 🙂
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:52am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    National supported by the working class…
    
    The working class are people who can expect to spend their lives working for wages. The self-employed or would-be self-employed are National’s constituency, not Labour’s.
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:40pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    It seems the left are determined to have a recognised working class distinction despite NZ was supposed to be a classless society. Many came out from England to get away from the British class run society, but you just can’t move some people out of their own wallowing pit, they deem themselves once working class always working class!
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:31pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      It seems the right are determined to pretend class is about who your dad was and nothing to do with how society is run. I can see why they would want to do that, but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:37pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Not my experience Milt, everyone I know is happy to see people doing whatever they choose in life as long as they are productive and paying taxes. There is no resentment or wanting people to fail and stay “working class”.
        
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        September 10, 2017 3:29pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        If you know people who sell their labour to an employer for wages, you know members of the working class. Of course no-one demands they remain working class if they have the means not to – it’s a class, not an ethnicity.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:18pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Of course no-one demands they remain working class if they have the means not to
        
        Well, not demand perhaps, but given your admission that…
        
        The self-employed or would-be self-employed are National’s constituency, not Labour’s
        
        … I can’t see that you’d be actively encouraging them to move on. Can’t have people becoming too independent of Labour-Green, now can we?
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:20pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    …this what the Left-base really think of those who have bought a second house to try and build a nest egg…
    
    I really think I’m an OK bloke, so it’s not clear what you’re on about. Of course, when we eventually sell those properties and realise the capital gains on them, it will be entirely reasonable for a proportion of those gains to go to the society that enabled them – what kind of a person would I be if I wanted to leave wage and salary-earners with most of the costs of running the place? Oh, there, I see what you were getting at…
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:33pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Meh! Worked pretty well until the 1970’s, when even increased taxes on said wage and salary earners started failing to match the demands.
      
      You might want to look at the structures of our welfare system rather than those of the revenue gathering.
      
      But I’m guessing Green-Labour and you, won’t!
      
      BTW, somebody here the other day wrote of the UK garnering just 1% of tax revenue from CGT, and just 18% of that from property sales. So good luck with that!
      
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      September 10, 2017 3:03pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Oh, a Labour/Green govt will look at the structure of our welfare system, alright! No worries on that score! The results might not be encouraging for the well-off, though…
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:22pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “The results might not be encouraging for the well-off, though…”
        
        They won’t be encouraging for people on welfare. National wants people on welfare to have jobs and improve their lot in life. Labour and the Greens want people to stay on welfare for as long as possible so they can milk them for votes.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:25pm
      - tom hunter
        
        No worries on that score! The results might not be encouraging for the well-off, though…
        
        If they stick around in New Zealand.
        
        But naturally you won’t want to address my implied point that developing a self-limiting welfare system might be the answer. No, plenty more money out there, just like in the good old days.
        
        I’ve always wondered why the Cloward-Priven types actually thought that pushing Western welfare systems to destruction was going to lead to good, Left-Wing outcomes on the other side of the process.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:51pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        …developing a self-limiting welfare system might be the answer.
        
        Sure. Actual high employment rates, rather than faking it through cooking the books, would be a good start. It beats the shit out of operating an increasingly hostile welfare system that substitutes driving people off welfare for making work more attractive than welfare.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:58pm
- RF
  
  Presume you are talking about our role model All Blacks.
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:52pm
fluffykiwi

Update, Cindy is not going to put a “granny tax on nana’s house if you are Living in it when she dies. So bad luck to your siblings who have their own homes, they will be taxed.
I see this as further encouragement for children to remain at home until they are 60 years of age.
I suppose all those 5 bedroom houses built in the new subdivisions will finally come in handy LOL. Poverty sharing bedrooms !!
What planet is this woman on, making up policy on the tooth (I mean hoof).
Those teeth will come back to bite her or the hoof will kick her in the you know what.
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September 10, 2017 10:18am
wiseowl

I do not see any need for Stuff to have a pretty picture of HC alongside Sir Peter Blake.

This is clearly sending a subliminal message at this particular time.
Bad taste.
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September 10, 2017 10:20am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Stuff are a blatant social engineering arm of the Liberal/Left wing, covering it with ‘news’ items which they often reprint from other sources. They unashamedly state they make no claim to providing an unbiased platform or ‘free speech’ and anything written must be written from their specific ‘world view’. They don’t accept anything that isn’t part of that world view – unless it’s to present some ‘scandalous’ statement or behaviour that is ‘so wrong’.
  
  What you’re describing is a constant tactic – as is their perpetual pursuit of trying to persuade people that their adherents are the ‘majority’ in an effort to herd the ‘sheep’ in the community down the same track.
  
  Their claim, of course, is that their world view is the ‘right’ one and, therefore, that any other shouldn’t be allowed to be expressed because it is ‘unfair’, ‘abusive’, ‘offensive’, ‘disrespectful’, etc. etc.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:39am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I’m trying to picture how far to the right you’d have to be to consider the owners of Fairfax Media to be “left wing.” It’s not easy…
    
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    September 10, 2017 10:49am
  - sam green
    
    Jesus H Christ Anne of Glen Eden – you need some drugs.
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:30am
    - Happychappy
      
      I doubt Anne of Glen Eden wants to end up like Gobby Sam.
      
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      September 10, 2017 12:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Its deliberate.
  But I don’t think most of the young, swinging/ uncommitted voters will
  a) know who Peter Blake was, or care;
  b) know who Helen is, or care less.
  
  Just a way to fill up space with old copy.
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:41am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You read Stuff, and complain they have bad taste???
  Umm … Pot meet Kettle
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:19pm
Michael

Am I the only person that when I google KiwiBlog a photo of Grant Robertson comes up in place of David Farrar’s photo? Is someone sending me a subliminal message?
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September 10, 2017 10:30am
- VicParking
  
  Unless Grant now is bald and wears glasses no.
  You have been hacked by the toothfairy bug.
  Go to your c:/ drive and type in Delete *.*
  Poor a cup of coffee on your keyboard and hit your screen with a hammer.
  This will fix your problem
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:45pm
Monique Watson

Word is Labour is going to introduce the “taking a dump tax”. Compulsory fitting of meters to toilets and every time you flush it clocks up a dime.
And Dunedin is cold as Grandma’s shithouse but it has a charm unequaled elsewhere in New Zealand. And plenty of aphrodisiacs. The daffodils, the whisky distillery, shellfish and Speights.
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September 10, 2017 10:33am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “And plenty of aphrodisiacs.”
  
  How is the birth rate in Dunedin?
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:37am
- Southern Raider
  
  Don’t forget full of moaning unproductive liberals
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:40am
- MrTips
  
  Jacinda knows a thing or not about toilets doesn’t she?
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:46am
- doggone7
  
  Word is that if Labour introduces a “taking a dump tax” some of the participants here will be hit hard given the amount of crap they put out. (Present company excepted of course.)
  
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  September 10, 2017 10:59am
Hugh Pavletich

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Ardern v English: Leaders’ house price claims face credibility claims | Rob Stock | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96556989/arden-v-english-house-price-claims-face-credibility-claims

… extract …

… VERDICT ON ENGLISH

English’s answer may provide comfort for homeowners enriched as a result of a failure to build enough homes to meet demand, but it offers none to a generation of people left renting from astronomically high house prices.

Hugh Pavletich, who describes himself as “somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan”, said: “There has already been a generation that’s been severely mistreated because of this housing issue, and what Mr English is saying is another generation should miss out. That is grossly irresponsible.”

Pavletich said prices must fall, gradually, until they are around three times median income.

English’s vision of prices staying level, but falling in real terms as wages rise, wouldn’t achieve that.

Auckland needed only look to Christchurch for its housing solution, Pavletich said. Spread out. Free up land supply. Let people build.

Pavletich does not believe National has the policies to keep prices flat as incomes rise.

“We will get to Sydney levels and beyond if we leave the current government in place,” said Pavletich.

When National came to office under John key the median house in Auckland cost 6.4 times median household income, he said. “It’s now a “stratospheric” ten times.”

“After nearly a decade of inaction from this government, we have really had enough.” … read more via hyperlink above …

The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
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September 10, 2017 10:47am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  NEW ZEALAND ELECTION 23 SEPTEMBER … THE FOCUS IS HOUSING … ISSUES POLL
  
  Roy Morgan Research updates its polling on what the real issues are. They are dominated by ‘Poverty and the gap between the rich and poor’, ‘House prices & Housing affordability’ and ‘Housing shortages & Homelessness’ as the vote nears | interest.co.nz
  
  http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89747/roy-morgan-research-updates-its-polling-what-real-issues-are%C2%A0they-are-dominated-
  
  Our latest research shows Poverty and the gap between rich and poor, House prices and Housing affordability and Housing shortages and Homelessness are the key issues for New Zealanders voting in the upcoming New Zealand Election. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
  
  … extract …
  
  … Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
  
  Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … EVEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS WAKING UP … BELATEDLY ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS …
  
  Waipa mayor: Affordable housing problem remains unless attitudes change | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/96484661/waipa-mayor-affordable-housing-problem-remains-unless-attitudes-change
  
  … extract …
  
  … “Doing the math, the base price for farmland sold originally for $600,000 to $70,000 a hectare, divide that with a low cluster development of 10 houses, take into account up-front costings of $100,000, I fail to understand why we still end up with sections on the market for $300,000.” … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … Check out the simple structural DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … google search ‘New Homes … North American City of your choice’ … refer Demographia Survey for guidance.
  
  Ask too … why we currently have not got this pricing in New Zealand … Pulte Homes Phoenix Arizona example …
  
  https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
  
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  September 10, 2017 11:01am
  - softail 1450
    
    cheque your figures fool or get a new proof reader.
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      softtail, I assume you mean check your figures, or are you offering Hugh a cheque for payment. ?
      
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      September 10, 2017 11:33am
    - Gabby
      
      Get those pink ribbons off your girly handlebars softcock.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:13pm
  - BlueGriffon
    
    Where has this thing that houses have to be 3 times income come from? Do cars need to be no more that 1-2 times income or a loaf of bread no more than 1/20,000th of income.
    
    Arizona, is that the best you have! Who wants to live in the friggin desert miles away from anywhere. The prices in Scotsdale are at least 4 times that of Florence. Wonder why that is – Location, location, location.
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:53am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      JOHN KEY EXITS HIGH PRICE AUCKLAND RESIDENCE …
      
      Sir John Key’s sprawling Parnell mansion sold for $20m … Fairfax NZ
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/96673228/Sir-John-Keys-sprawling-Parnell-mansion-sold-for-20m?cid=app-iPad
      
      Sir John Key’s perfectly manicured mansion in the leafy suburb of Parnell has been sold for an estimated $20 million.
      
      The six-bedroom Auckland pad on Saint Stephen’s Avenue sprawls across three original sections, totalling 2340sqm.
      
      Nestled amongst some of the most exclusive real estate in Auckland, the mega-mansion affectionately dubbed ‘Klub Key’ by son Max hosted many high profile political meet-and-greets, family celebrations and Instagram-worthy pool parties. … read more via hyperlink above …
      .
      .
      CAPTAIN ‘COSTA CONCORDIA’ KEY …
      
      Captain ‘Costa Concordia’ Key certainly excels at one thing … exiting …
      
      Check out his political exiting exercise within the GONE GONE GOING section of my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
      
      It all ‘hit the fan’ with the 25 May 2016 Newshun Reid Research poll …
      
      Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
      
      It was clear to me he would desert the sinking ship … as I stated publicly soon after …
      
      Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
      
      … then some of you guys on Kiwiblog ‘lost your minds’ soon after when Stonewood Jacksons song WATERLOO came in to the discussion following the article publication above …
      
      WATERLOO ~ Stonewall Jackson (1959)
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QQI6lb_Hg
      
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      September 10, 2017 4:32pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        WARNING ! … HOUSING BUBBLES ARE LETHAL …
        
        Remember … we discussed the Irish housing market here at Kiwiblog earlier too …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_20_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1971764
        
        LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …
        
        Its high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learnt with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.
        
        The New Zealand Banks are in no hurry to repeat the 2007 Irish experience … when the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion.
        
        Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Australia is currently 5.5 times … New Zealand 5.9.
        
        Why should the New Zealand and Australian Banks be more resilient than the Irish ones ?
        
        What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2006 and 2007 ?
        
        If a 4.7 unweighted median multiple across its metros blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come ours are supposed to survive 5.5 and5.9 respectively with (in New Zealand’s case) a skinny capital base of just $NZ30 billion and a $NZ1 trillion (CoreLogic estimate) housing market with in excess of half it bubble value ?
        
        Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found it was high income multiple lending that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes.
        
        A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.
        
        In normal housing markets house prices should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income, requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey).
        
        The days of housing inflation are over. That’s for sure.
        
        Welcome to the real world.
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_8_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1946526
        
        Make a point of watching this excellent interview … where the antics of the twits from Merrill Lynch get mentioned as well …
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performance … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Reserve Bank Governor Graeme Wheeler … September 2015 … access via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … when Auckland housing was 9 times incomes … it is now 10 times ! …
        
        Auckland market in danger zone – RB | Radio New Zealand News
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/283784/auckland-market-in-danger-zone-rb
        
        … extract …
        
        … But Mr Wheeler this afternoon told MPs the faster house prices rose in Auckland, the greater the likelihood of a steep price reversal.
        
        He (Reserve Bank of New Zealand Governor Graeme Wheeler) said Auckland house prices were not sustainable.
        
        “The house price to income ratio for Auckland is at nine. It’s twice that for the rest of the country,” he said.
        
        “A ratio of nine puts you, according to Demographia figures, in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world.
        
        “This is just dangerous territory.” …
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:47pm
Viking2

National has announced a major plan to help get more Kiwis into their first home.

Prime Minister Bill English says the government will double the existing Home Start Grant to $20,000 for couples hoping to buy an existing home, and increase it from $20,000 to $30,000 for new-build homes.

English expects the measures will help 80,000 New Zealanders get into their first home over the next four years.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96687322/national-to-double-home-start-grant-for-existing-houses
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Clearly … the failed National Party is now in panic.
  
  Bill English now wants to push Auckland prices to Sydney levels … and beyond .
  
  From dumb to dangerous.
  
  They have now lost their minds !
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:51pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Don Brash thinks Labour will win election … Newshub
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/don-brash-thinks-labour-will-win-election.html
    
    Don Brash, former leader of both ACT and National, says Labour will take out the 2017 election.
    
    “It looks as if they might [win]. Momentum is certainly on Labour’s side and National is vulnerable in certain areas,” he told The AM show on Friday morning.
    
    It comes after a Colmar-Brunton poll released on Thursday evening saw Labour ahead of National for the first time since 2007. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … Follow-up comment by Pavletich on todays Kiwiblog General Debate thread …
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/general_debate_2_september_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2009957
    
    Hugh Pavletich
    
    Capt Mainwaring … Yes … posted yesterday later in the day.
    
    Posted here this morning in case others missed it.
    
    Note Don Brash touched on the woeful productivity performance over recent years.
    
    We sure need to see a greater discussion of this hugely important issues …
    
    JB Were’s Bernard Doyle on NZ’s productivity recession, population growth driving economic growth & advice for NZ sharemarket investors to reduce their holdings | interest.co.nz
    
    http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89257/jbweres-bernard-doyle-nzs-productivity-recession-population-growth-driving-economic
    
    NZ in ‘productivity recession’, JBWere says – NZ Herald
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11901846
    
    Scoop Business » English is plain wrong on productivity
    
    http://business.scoop.co.nz/2017/09/01/english-is-plain-wrong-on-productivity/
    
    Bill English’s Trump-like denial of a productivity problem … Bernard Hickey … Newsroom
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck
    
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    September 10, 2017 5:06pm
  - Viking2
    
    you are next.
    
    Oh too late its already happened.
    
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    September 10, 2017 5:15pm
Manolo

Do as I say,…:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865806/Brussels-gets-tough-migrants-numbers-escalate.html

Brussels has begun to ramp up its efforts to combat the escalating number of migrants entering the area, after fears the EU capital could become the new ‘Jungle’.

Around 50 people were arrested during the Belgian police’s first wave of checks carried out on the hundreds of refugees setting up camp in Maximilian Park in Brussels this week.
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September 10, 2017 11:11am
- stigie
  
  Hugh must be due again….Where are you Hugh..?
  
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  September 10, 2017 11:20am
  - Happychappy
    
    Stigie don’t encourage the bitter twisted senile old prick.
    
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    September 10, 2017 11:30am
    - RF
      
      its lunch time so look for rubbish tins with his feet sticking out……
      
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      September 10, 2017 12:52pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I’ll draw a pentagram on the floor; you light the five black candles…
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:11pm
- Gabby
  
  Poor eurocrats having their views spoilt. These people were meant to be in the East by now.
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:14pm
- VicParking
  
  Yet they want to penalise Hungary??
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:49pm
waikatogirl

Been on the Electoral Commissions website looking for polling stations for an early vote. For actual useful information the site is about as useful as a 2 legged stool. ?
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September 10, 2017 11:18am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  with your farming background, WG, I thought your expression might be more like “as useful as tits on a bull”. 🙂
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:00pm
Anne Glen Eden

For those who want to consider subliminal messages, though – many years ago, an elderly friend complained to me that TV One presenters etc., coming up to an election, always wear red (at that time, Mark Sainsbury in particular).

At the time, I thought she was looking for problems and no-one would be that pathetic. But ever since, I can’t help noticing. Entertain yourself – with women it can be any clothing; with men it’s ties – how many are wearing red/pink, especially around political programming. Not to mention the backgrounds etc.
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September 10, 2017 11:22am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Yes Anne, but remember – its Blue September – mainly for the blokes though I guess. 🙂
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:02pm
- Duxton
  
  Yee, I have niticed that too. Andrea Vance and Katie Bradford, both resplendent (sic) in red jackets the other night.
  
  Bradford’s couldn’t cover the baby bulge. Who’s ya daddy?
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:35pm
  - RF
    
    Looks like the silent T is eating his greens. Good lad….
    
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    September 10, 2017 4:16pm
- sam green
  
  FFS. Really?
  
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  September 10, 2017 5:28pm
rightoverlabour

Just a reminder that a vote for Labour is a vote for TAX and murder ( Abortion). Catholics can vote for more Taxes with a clear conscience, but not for Abortion. Jacinderella – the Smiling Dr Death of this election. Death of our wealth, death of our inheritance, death of economic growth, death of productivity, employment, …. and death of thousands of unborn. (At least Smiling Assasins generally didn’t do infanticide.)
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September 10, 2017 11:36am
- nasska
  
  …..”and death of thousands of unborn”…..
  
  I’ll wager that thousands of fallopian tubes tied themselves in knots after reading your maudlin crap.
  
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  September 10, 2017 11:56am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Pity you were allowed to be born…
    
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    September 10, 2017 12:07pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Hey nazzy – you’ve got another charming fanboy.
    Secret mancrush on your awesomeness – why do they find it so hard to admit they worship you ?
    
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    September 11, 2017 5:32am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Catholics can vote for more Taxes with a clear conscience, but not for Abortion.
  
  Voting Labour isn’t voting for abortion, it’s voting for politicians to have a vote on taking abortion out of the Crimes Act. But sure, if retaining the criminalisation of women who terminate a pregnancy is something you’d base your vote on, feel free – there are no doubt people with even more stupid things they’re basing their vote on.
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:48pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …like removing abortion from the Crimes Act? 😉
    
    Sorry, I forgot, it’s different when Jacinda is virtue signalling with a possible law change that will affect…nothing.
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:50pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Well, I certainly wouldn’t base my vote on it – but then, abortion’s as irrelevant to me as it is to all the religious men pontificating about it on these threads every time it comes up, so of course I wouldn’t. Women might though, and I wouldn’t call them stupid to do so.
      
      Also: You really think it will make no difference if the legislation officially recognises abortion isn’t a crime?
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Psycho Milt
        
        Well, I certainly wouldn’t base my vote on it
        
        Nor would I, primarily because, in the wash-up it makes no difference to the actual abortion issue.
        
        But just to be clear…according to you women and men casting their ballot based on the single issue wanting to retain criminalisation of abortion are “stupid”, but in the case of a woman (and presumably men) who vote the other way, you “wouldn’t call them stupid to do so”?
        
        I realise the conservatives around here can get a bit hyper and deranged about “it’s different when the left do it”, but just now and then, they have a point. Thanks for your contribution to demonstrate it.
        
        Also: You really think it will make no difference if the legislation officially recognises abortion isn’t a crime?
        
        I’ll answer your question with a question: Do you think it would likely result in more abortions, less….or no change, much less did that concern play any part in Ardern’s ~~stated reason~~ virtue signalling for a change of law?
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:49pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        But just to be clear…according to you women and men casting their ballot based on the single issue wanting to retain criminalisation of abortion are “stupid”, but in the case of a woman (and presumably men) who vote the other way, you “wouldn’t call them stupid to do so”?
        
        You’re usually more of a rationalist than that. I could understand women voting to de-criminalise abortion because there’s the chance that it will be very directly relevant to them at some point. People who vote based on wanting it criminalised, on the other hand… well, for the men it’s never going to be relevant, and even the women aren’t voting on the basis it might be relevant to them at some point, it’s all about imposing your moral views on others. That’s just a waste of your vote and deserves ridicule.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:11pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Do you think it would likely result in more abortions, less….or no change…
        
        I don’t think that’s relevant. The number of abortions will be affected by things like availability of contraception and useful sex education, level of religious influence on society etc, not whether or not abortion is in the Crimes Act. This is more about how easy is it to get one and are you a criminal for getting one. If we were to have exactly the same number of abortions but they were much easier to get and no-one got to call the people involved criminals, I’d look on that as a major positive effect of Ardern’s proposal.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:16pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “terminate a pregnancy”
    
    It’s called killing a baby. Dehumanizing their victims has always been the first step psychopaths and mass murderers take.
    
    Hence your name.
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:51pm
    - GoVege
      
      What rot, Shawn.
      It’s not “killing a baby”.
      It’s a mercy killing of a foetus that would probably have a pretty miserable life if it went to term.
      A fair few ” psychopaths and mass murderers” were originally unwanted fetuses their reluctant carriers were forced to bear against their will.
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:13pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        A “foetus” is a baby.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:16pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “would probably have a pretty miserable life if it went to term.”
        
        I didn’t. My birth mother gave me up for adoption, and I have had a good life overall. I’m very happy to be alive.
        
        You’re making an assumption that more often than not is false to justify taking a human life. It’s a weak justification. All justifications for mass murder are.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:21pm
      - GoVege
        
        Shawn: have you ever found out how it affected your birth mother’s life?
        I have an in-law who was forced to bear and give up her child.
        She never had another one.
        Her daughter later committed suicide leaving 2 bereft young children.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:15pm
  - Fletch
    
    Let’s see, should murder still be a crime … hmmmm…
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:58pm
    - GoVege
      
      As Jacinda so eloquently put it….you have the right NOT to choose to have an abortion.
      Especially you dudes! 🙂
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:06pm
      - nasska
        
        I read somewhere an opinion that if men could get pregnant there would be a family planning service on every street corner.
        
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        September 10, 2017 5:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        There already are (gender-selective) abortion clinics on every street corner in the cities of
        sexist countries like India.
        I saw an Indian woman on TV about to have the test say that women there generally have lives of such suffering, she had no problem with aborting a female foetus to spare them from that.
        (Sure beats the previous method for centuries of keeping a bucket at the end of the bed of a woman giving birth, to drown the baby in if it was a girl.)
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:58pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How many women per annum get charged, let alone convicted?
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:55pm
- Gabby
  
  But they “can’t” vote for the Party of Voluntary Suicide and Homosexuals Marrying either rightupperlabia. Bit of a quandary.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:04pm
Fletch

Video of Hillary back in 2014 saying that illegal alien kids should be sent back..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtu50I9IMys
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September 10, 2017 11:37am
Fletch

Leaked, Jacinda’s Tax Working Group 😉

https://www.facebook.com/NZYoungNats/photos/a.10150192999352622.326863.256421832621/10155654164462622/?type=3&theater
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September 10, 2017 11:41am
Manolo

Steadily optimistic markets:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/218024/investor-optimism-rises-again-hits-year-high.aspx
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September 10, 2017 11:42am
Jack5

To cheer up all of those recently been stung for ACC contributions, here’s an example of the good use some of the cash is going to: buying ATVs for recreation …

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915478
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September 10, 2017 12:08pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  But, but, … Aren’t they … dangerous?
  People hurt themselves on those things.
  
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  September 10, 2017 12:27pm
MrTips

This election is going to be a vote of feelings versus brains. Descartes would be gobsmacked.

Makes you wonder what would happen if Labour and National worked together and we had govt that genuinely represented >80% of the voters. Pie in the sky I know but then ideas are dangerous things, as Descartes would attest…..
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September 10, 2017 12:35pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  This election is going to be a vote of feelings versus brains.
  
  Like the last three, in which National nearly hit 50% support thanks to people who liked John Key.
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:50pm
RF

Had a social drink with a senior cop from Police HQ.

He was expecting Labout to win and not at all happy about this as again they will be the meat in the sandwich for protests. This time it will be your average citizens and not radical lefties. He estimated that 90% of Police supported National.

There is a genuine concern that Labours soft approach to law & order will result in a surge in crime. This soft approach also extends to corrections as Labour do not believe in imprisonment.

I guess we should be like my great granny on her wedding night… just lie back and think of mother England.
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September 10, 2017 12:45pm
- sam green
  
  Sigh …….
  
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  September 10, 2017 5:31pm
- GoVege
  
  Nah, RF, the boys in blue support Winnie.
  He increased police numbers.
  
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  September 10, 2017 7:01pm
Monique Watson

That shit results in pregnancy RF.Doing yer bit for Mother England. Thank the heavens for modern day surgical suites. I had five kids before I figured out what caused it and once I had my tubes tied I got some recreational fun without any downstream consequences.
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September 10, 2017 1:16pm
- VicParking
  
  Yes I remember that night in September…?
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:53pm
MrTips

If only the FeelingsBrigade™ who think Jacinda is the loveliest, fluffiest, caring politician ever would look at this:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/hagaman-heartland-bank-among-latest-big-note-political-donors-ck-207532

Business and industry wants English. The NBR list of donors holds no surprises really. Labour has dodgy art ~~embezzlement~~ donations and unions mostly; National has a variety of businesses who KNOW what is needed to get through a crisis. The support from Drury above is particularly instructive. XRO listed in the mid-00s and almost immediately encountered the GFC. XRO grew and the share price rose earlier than its competitors post-GFC because of market increase and revenue, thanks to the conditions here allowing it achieve things its competitors couldn’t (the excellent product that is XERO notwithstanding!). https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/quote/XRO.NZ?p=XRO.NZ

When Rod Drury is one of many scions who support English – you know its your job that’s at stake over the next 24 months. Another shock is coming and more tax won’t fix it.
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September 10, 2017 1:20pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Business and industry wants English.
  
  Uh, duh-uh. Employers want the party that represents employers to govern, and is willing to front up cash to that end? No fucking shit, Sherlock Tips…
  
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  September 10, 2017 1:52pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    ” Employers want the party that represents employers to govern”
    
    Were they representing employers when they raised welfare and WFF payments? No.
    
    Labour does not represent workers. They represent homosexuals, the gender confused, and middle class liberals, greenies and feminists.
    
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    September 10, 2017 1:54pm
    - starboard
      
      Yup, the Liarbor freak show line up, coming to a town near you soon. If you’re lucky you’ll get a bit of green in there as well, the liars, thieves, and luddites party of bottom feeders. Outrageous.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:30pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Shit, that means somewhere above 40% of NZers consist of homosexuals, the gender-confused, and middle-class liberals, greenies and feminists! You lot had better be hoping Shawn’s talking out his arse again!
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:33pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Businesses create incomes that are taxed. They employ staff who are taxed. Their staff spend some of their income, which is taxed. And soon, their staff’s investments will be taxed, and their inheritances will be taxed.
    
    The hard left’s ideological hatred of the employer class would, left unchecked, destroy our economy. I think that’s the general idea.
    
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    September 10, 2017 2:42pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      And Liarbor’s argument to any employer who complains is “if a business can’t afford it, they shouldn’t be in business”. ?
      
      Uninformed and nasty huas.
      
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      September 10, 2017 2:48pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Well placed use of common Maori terms, 😉 go to the head of your class.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:01pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      The hard left’s ideological hatred of the employer class would, left unchecked, destroy our economy.
      
      And the hard right’s ideological hatred of the worker class would, left unchecked, destroy our society. Good job our governments are only ever National-led or Labour-led then, eh?
      
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      September 10, 2017 5:36pm
    - GoVege
      
      That’s funny….businesses usually do much better when Labour’s in, coz the workers have a bit of spending money.
      
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      September 10, 2017 7:08pm
Michael

Just googled Kiwiblog and I see Grant Robertson’s photo is still there.
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September 10, 2017 1:39pm
- VicParking
  
  If you pan down there is one of Little, Kim, WO and Key
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:57pm
Jack5

Why Pakistan needs Dame Devoid:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/17-year-old-pakistani-christian-boy-beaten-death-muslim-students-197724/
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September 10, 2017 1:52pm
Michael

http://www.bing.com/search?q=kiwiblog&form=BDSBTB&pc=BDT3&shash=&BDParam=&mkt=en-US
See what I mean?
The person in that photo is Grant Robertson.
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September 10, 2017 2:03pm
- Gabby
  
  Ever seen them in the same room?
  
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  September 10, 2017 2:57pm
- stiglet
  
  That is Bing…. Its the microsoft search engine…..
  Its definately Grand Roberdson. Bing seems to put on a few pounds…..perhaps he isn’t working as hard on earning votes as he should be.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:29pm
Odakyu-sen

I am cooking spaghetti tonight, but I could learn a lot from this guy when it comes to home-made udon noodles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iigDXgdKkuI
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September 10, 2017 2:26pm
- stiglet
  
  As a longtime lover of Japanese cuisine thank you. 🙂 Now my fave you tube channel.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:37pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Far too much faffing around for me.
  Instant gratification required.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxO2IDO8tos
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:26pm
  - Viking2
    
    Yep nothing quicker than a can of spaghetti.
    
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    September 10, 2017 4:52pm
Southern Raider

OMG

Jacinda is back in the headlines coming to tears on the steps of Parliament over suicide awareness week
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September 10, 2017 2:42pm
- krazykiwi
  
  So she’s feigning dismay in the hope of landing a few sympathy votes?
  
  Disgusting.
  
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  September 10, 2017 2:54pm
- RF
  
  The phoney little madam is playing the media like a violin. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of her.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:05pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    And the media are playing us for fools.
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:51pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    She makes Goebbels look like ferkin Snow White mate.
    
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    September 11, 2017 5:37am
Southern Raider

And number one story on Stuff is another Tracy Watkins piece on Labours 100 day plan
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September 10, 2017 2:47pm
lifesgood

Heard on the radio today: “Jacinda? What sort of a name is that? It sounds like a celebrity couple, you know, Jason and Linda.”
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September 10, 2017 2:49pm
- RF
  
  Bill has got to reinforce that a vote for Labour will ensure a Labour Green Govt.
  
  That should scare the horses.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:12pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Sounds like one of those awful girls names that some kiwi parents can’t seem to get enough of.
  
  Janelle, Jayleen, Jolindy, Jandella, Josandra, Joelle, Jamindy . . .
  
  Serious danger an actual PM is going to have one of these dreadful types of first name. Very kiwi though.
  
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  September 11, 2017 5:41am
Viking2

LABOUR’S 100-DAY PLAN IN FULL:

* Make the first year of tertiary education or training fees free and increase student allowances and living cost loans by $50 a week from January 1, 2018

* Pass the Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill so families and all renters can live in warm, dry homes

* Ban overseas speculators from buying existing residential properties to help take the pressure off the housing market

* Stop the sell-off of state houses so we can better look after vulnerable families

* Legislate to pass the Families Package, including the Winter Fuel Payment, Best Start and increases to Paid Parental Leave, to take effect from 1 July 2018, so we can better support families, superannuitants and beneficiaries

* Introduce legislation to set a child poverty reduction target and change the Public Finance Act so the Budget reports progress on reducing child poverty

* Resume contributions to the New Zealand Superannuation Fund to help safeguard the provision of universal superannuation at age 65

* Set up a Ministerial Inquiry to fix our mental health crisis

* Take the first steps to clean up our rivers and lakes by holding a Clean Waterways Summit of all key stakeholders

* Increase the minimum wage to $16.50/hour, to take effect 1 April 2018, and introduce legislation to improve fairness in the workplace.
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Hmmm well being transparent there is no mention of tax. but she is after the student vote.

The $16.50 is almost a given as its is most likely the Nats. next step.
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September 10, 2017 3:04pm
- you stupid boy
  
  Just wondering how they know if a foreign buyer is a speculator? Banning is different than a cgt. If she bans foreigners from buying, all our existing FTAs are at peril, as clark never included that in the China FTA.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:27pm
  - holysheet
    
    It’s all those chinky sounding names that will give them away. Ask Twitford.
    
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    September 10, 2017 3:41pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Well it as stupid having a trade agreement that allows people from a communist country to buy our land and houses.What the hell has that got to do with trading products?
    Can we buy their land ? No.
    Absolute stupidity when a country with a billion people can be pitched against our wonderful small population.
    Madness.
    
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    September 10, 2017 8:33pm
- realityczech
  
  “* Pass the Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill so families and all renters can live in warm, dry homes”
  
  We all love that. Because it sounds nice.
  
  Q. Who will pay for it ?
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:40pm
  - you stupid boy
    
    My tennants.
    
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    September 10, 2017 3:58pm
    - Herodotus
      
      really i thought that our taxes would pay for it under the accommodation supplemant, already we are told “The $2.3 billion annual spend supports 60 per cent of the country’s private renters, and is helping to keep a vast number of Kiwis out of poverty. ”
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/96523625/PM-Bill-English-says-Govt-spends-billions-propping-up-the-private-rental-market
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/92927191/Budget-2017-Tax-and-housing-assistance-to-boost-family-incomes-in-Joyces-first-Budget
      At least we know what Red Labour stands for, pity it is almost mirrored by Blue Labour.
      
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      September 10, 2017 4:19pm
      - Viking2
        
        ain’t it great.
        I’m going to push my rents even higher. That will help with the negative gearing when the rates rise.
        
        Houses won’t cost me anymore but we now know that there must be plenty of cash from either side to raise the accommodation supplement.
        
        What’s not to like?
        
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        September 10, 2017 4:50pm
Jack5

Where is Mikenmild? He theatrically bids us farewell, comes back, and now has gone.
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September 10, 2017 3:07pm
- RF
  
  Off gathering palm fronds to lay on the ground in front of the princess for when she walks into parliament as PM.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:16pm
- sam green
  
  He died Jack5. Hope you’re happy.
  
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  September 10, 2017 5:36pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Mikenmild retired his Stephieboy alias ans replaced it with his JasonJohns moniker.
  
  But Milkmaid is still with us. About 1,500 comments since he “retired”
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:40pm
Monique Watson

One night two drunks were wandering the town trying to get drinks, but between the two of them, they only had a dollar and change. So the first drunk says, “Hey, I’ve got an idea – we put our money together and buy a hot dog.”

The second drunk, looking at him puzzled, says, “What the hell? I don’t want a hot dog; I want a goddamn drink!”

The first says, “I know. We buy the hot dog, stick it down the front of my pants, go into a bar and order our drinks. When the bartender tells us the price, you drop to your knees and suck the hot dog like you’re sucking my dick – and the bartender will throw us out and we won’t have to pay for anything!”

The second drunk says, “Well, it sounds like a good enough idea to me.”

So they buy the hot dog and the first drunk sticks it down his pants. They go into a bar, order two whiskeys, and when the bartender tells them the price, the second drunk drops to his knees and sucks on the hot dog. The bartender throws them out and tells them not to come back.

The drunks go on to hit 19 bars. Finally, the second drunk says, “We’ve got to switch places ’cause my knees hurt from dropping to the floor.”

The first drunk says, “You think that’s bad? I lost the hot dog in the third bar!”
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September 10, 2017 3:41pm
- RF
  
  That’s worth 30 upticks……
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:11pm
Herodotus

We have been informed by the blue labour party there is a $11.7b hole in the red labour party’s fiscal plan, but now to win; the blue version is spending money like never before.
No matter who wins in a few weeks, the country is the loser. Hopefully the blue labour party will learn from this loss and move towards being the National party again.
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September 10, 2017 3:50pm
you stupid boy

Seems slaters Bill English Derangement syndrome (BEDS) has caught up with him again. Brian Edwards appears to be one of his triggers.
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September 10, 2017 3:56pm
- realityczech
  
  Slater [free trips to Israel] is gutted a Jew banker is not in charge. He is also furious since being cut out of Key’s dirty politics loop.
  
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  September 10, 2017 3:59pm
dime

jesus christ, we could have a prime minister who cries for no reason.

yeah yeah her neighbours cats retarded uncle killed thesmelves. sad.

but goddam shes either fake as fuck or weak as fuck.

#notfittolead
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September 10, 2017 3:59pm
- Kimbo
  
  Is strange, isn’t it, that some people can emote – like Ardern – and everyone laps it up and sees it as proof of authenticity, while others – like David Cunliffe and ‘I’m sorry for being a man” – get flushed as try-hards. Heard Cam Slater on the radio the other night, and while I take some of what he says with a grain of salt, nonetheless he was saying it comes down to stuff like body language matchig what is being said.
  
  Either way, for all of English’s facts and figures, he is being smoked by Ardern on the emotion front. Same thing happened when Kirk beat Marshall in 1972, Lange beat Muldoon in 1984, and Key beat Clark in 2008.
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:47pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    yeah – I can’t wait to have a blubbering emotional wreck running the country. Stupid bloody tart.
    
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    September 11, 2017 5:47am
Herodotus

really i thought that our taxes would pay for it under the accommodation supplement, already we are told “The $2.3 billion annual spend supports 60 per cent of the country’s private renters, and is helping to keep a vast number of Kiwis out of poverty. ”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/96523625/PM-Bill-English-says-Govt-spends-billions-propping-up-the-private-rental-market
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/92927191/Budget-2017-Tax-and-housing-assistance-to-boost-family-incomes-in-Joyces-first-Budget
At least we know what Red Labour stands for, pity it is almost mirrored by Blue Labour.
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September 10, 2017 4:20pm
ChristineY

DPF – a question about Labour’s CGT thinking.
We are told that a CGT would apply to every property other than the family home. Has there been mention of the GCT applying to New Zealand and Australian shares which arn’t subject to the current CGT if the shareholder is an investor but not a trader? If based on Labour’s current public statements, the CGT could include shares, then everyone in Kiwisaver would be taxed. National should call this out loud and clear.
I have deliberately mentioned New Zealand and Australian shares, because all shares from other countries are already subject to CGT each year.
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September 10, 2017 4:28pm
- sooty
  
  Are we going to be paying GST on all of Taxindas new taxes? Like the tax on tax on your rates.
  
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  September 10, 2017 4:50pm
  - sam green
    
    Go on – make shit up.
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:03pm
    - stigie
      
      No one is making shit up sam, CGT on NZ and Australian shares is a very valid question..?
      Taxcinda has not ruled that out so does everyone sit around waiting for the Tax Working Wankfest Group (TWWG) to see what the wankers come up with ?
      
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      September 10, 2017 6:27pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      At least someone is ‘making shit up’ cause Labour sure as heck isn’t!
      
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      September 10, 2017 7:31pm
Viking2

A Labour-led Government would ban foreign purchases of New Zealand property “by Christmas”, leader Jacinda Ardern told her supporters at a rally in Wellington this afternoon.

Speaking to audience of around 1500 people at the St James theatre, Ardern outlined her plans for her first 100 days if she becomes prime minister on September 23.

Ardern said that within 100 days, Labour would make tertiary education free (for the first three years) and lift allowances and living costs by $50 a week – likely to come into force on January 1.
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September 10, 2017 4:46pm
- RF
  
  I knew it. She has found the spinning wheel that turns straw into gold.
  
  Otherwise all the savings made by Bill English is going to be pissed up against a wall in 100 days.
  
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  September 10, 2017 5:41pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Whereas sensible Bill English announced today an extra $74 million per year to help Auckland house prices rise more quickly.
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:20pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      mm, glad to see you are safe and well ?
      See sam green above!
      
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      September 10, 2017 6:40pm
      - nasska
        
        Bugger! I’d already bought a wreath. 🙂
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:43pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just away on a wee trip for a couple of days.
        Was it Oscar Wilder who said “reports of my death are much exaggerated”?
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:54pm
      - nasska
        
        Mark Twain.
        
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        September 10, 2017 6:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        What sort of a trip, Milky? Was it an easy transition coming out of it?
        
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        September 10, 2017 11:00pm
Viking2

Bugger its cold here.
And bloody wet as well.
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September 10, 2017 4:53pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree V2, was 5º in the Waikato earlier this afternoon.
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:41pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    In chch that’s called summer
    
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    September 11, 2017 5:49am
dad4justice

Am I correct in believing Liarbour are going to stop foreigners buying property?
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September 10, 2017 6:33pm
- nasska
  
  The way I read it they weren’t going to be permitted to buy “spec” property. That said I see little reason why they shouldn’t be forced to build rather than buy even for their own occupancy.
  
  Aussie has a similar requirement & it hasn’t put a handbrake on immigration.
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:39pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Thank you Hillbilly but it does not answer my question are they going to stop foreigners buying up property. Yes or no? If so I vote Labour for the first time in my life and they will win the election by a huge margin. If no I won’t bother voting.
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:43pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Much as I’m reluctant to inflict you on the Labour Party, dad4justice, the answer is yes. They’ve promised to end purchasing of residential property by non-resident foreigners in their first 100 days.
      
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      September 10, 2017 7:21pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Psycho thanks for the honest reply maybe the blue team could do that ? The issue is an election winner.
        
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        September 10, 2017 7:29pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      You are such a cock
      
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      September 10, 2017 8:56pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Say that to my face c##t! Keyboard cowards like you need a good lesson in manners.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Anytime you stupid old git!
        
        FFS a 70 yr old bantam weight drunk shouldn’t go around playing tough guy. You’d wimper, cry and run off to your boyfriend at Hagley if we met.
        
        Like I said, such a cock.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:10pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Name time and place. You live in Christchurch let’s do it tomorrow and sort this quickly. Don’t back out silly boy.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:15pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Hahaha
        
        Nah I don’t live in sheep shagger central…
        
        Also I’m half your age you doddering old cock, it would be embarrassing just turning up.
        
        Fuck off and sober up
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:19pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Don’t drink keyboard coward and how old am I ?
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:26pm
      - stigie
        
        Shit Dad, i would take it easy and not make threats, I have seen AwwwC-mon, he’s 115 kg and pure muscle, you will need some helpers old chap !~
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:38pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Behavioural evidence says 4.
        
        Photographic evidence leans towards 70 odd, the years haven’t been kind aye chap.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:38pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Of course you have seen awwwwful maybe a flea like you can join him and I give you both a free holiday in a ward.
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:40pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        If you don’t drink what are you on?
        
        Where can I get some?
        
        Stigie have you been stalking me?? ?
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:43pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Can you supply photographic evidence awwwwful or is it more malicious lies from a keyboard coward bb??
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:46pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        You want a photo? Of me?
        
        Hahahaha
        
        I don’t do cock shots you filthy perv
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:50pm
      - dad4justice
        
        No you said you have seen a photo of me then post it. Don’t try twist the truth bb we all know how much you suffer from your pathological hatred of me. Sad stuff from a very sick person.You are so immature and not very good at lying as you have said you live in Christchurch several times before. Shouldn’t you be in bed as you got school tomorrow?
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:56pm
      - stigie
        
        For Dad.
        
        http://dealbyethan.com/mens-fashion-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/California-Muscle.jpg
        
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        September 10, 2017 9:56pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Grow up stigfly you stupid immature prick!
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        You are a stupid old prick.
        
        You’ve been on TV, and told us about it,
        
        You have mentioned your blog on here, it includes your given name.
        
        You have Facebook, you have been in newspapers.
        
        …. and then you ask how I saw a photo. One dumb fucker.
        
        And I have never mentioned living in chch.
        
        Delusional dumb fucker
        
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        September 10, 2017 10:26pm
  - Viking2
    
    You reckon that they can be conned into building new just so they can sell them back to “ordinary” Kiwi’s at a bargain Chinese price?
    
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    September 10, 2017 7:28pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      They mainly buy new now. Most Chinese are shocked at the state of our old houses.
      
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      September 10, 2017 7:44pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    What’s a ‘spec’ property? How is it different from other property?
    You realise every property you buy, you now need an IRD no so everyone is covered by the Brightline test already.
    Labour are just taking advantage of the muppets ignorance- as usual.
    
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    September 10, 2017 7:38pm
- Viking2
  
  of course. That will be until another “Lui” crosses the palms of whoever is the relevant Minister for immigration.
  
  Won’t be able to stop themselves as per last time in Govt.
  Mind you the Blue team are not much better but look out if Jones becomes the man in immigration.
  
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  September 10, 2017 7:25pm
stigie

You might be best to change your vote from NZ First to Liarbour Dad, just right up your alley..?
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September 10, 2017 6:42pm
- dad4justice
  
  F##k off stigfly I have voted blue since 78 you twisted, wimpish no life stalker!
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:45pm
  - RF
    
    I know who I am going to vote for so will vote ASAP and then watch the pork barrel auction knowing that what ever is offered is…….
    
    too late…. too bad.
    
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    September 10, 2017 6:56pm
cmm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11920663

Pirihimana police car for Maori week.

Doesn’t Pirihimana mean “policeman” rather than “police”? Is there a gender neutral Maori term for police or police person?
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September 10, 2017 6:44pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Po Po
  1 size fits all
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:55pm
- RF
  
  Da fuzz Bro.
  
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  September 10, 2017 6:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Can you please send your account details so we can pay your Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori consulting fees?
    
    We’ve got tens of millions of dollars to get rid of every year. Can you help us out?
    
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    September 10, 2017 7:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I’m looking forward to the fortune I’m going to make out of Kiwibuild.
      You just know they’re going to fuck it up
      Lol.
      
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      September 10, 2017 7:41pm
All_on_Red

Interesting, so Labour are going to break the conditions of several Free Trade Agreements within the first 100days to solve a non existent problem.
So funny.
They really have no idea.
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September 10, 2017 7:33pm
- niggly
  
  Including the one that Helen’s Labour Govt signed!
  
  Oh dear I hope Jacinda (and David Parker’s) diplomacy skills are first rate, for dealing with the inevitable backlash and legal ramifications!
  
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  September 10, 2017 8:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    She’ll cry, the world’s media will not be as kind as ours.
    
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    September 10, 2017 8:21pm
    - niggly
      
      Even Helen won’t be able to call in any favors (from heads of state) and rescue her, oh dear!
      
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      September 10, 2017 8:23pm
nasska

…..”They really have no idea”…..

They haven’t had much in the way of bright thoughts or policies for a fair while now. Still, you don’t need much in the way of ideas when your raison d’être is redistribution of wealth from the creators to the feckless.
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September 10, 2017 7:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Their talent is as deep as a car park puddle. I mean really,
  Look.at.them.
  #feelz
  #LipstickonaPig
  
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  September 10, 2017 7:58pm
stigie

Gawd, i think i might breakdown !~
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September 10, 2017 7:52pm
nasska

A lot of older people wonder if there will be life after death.

There is of course – it’s just that it won’t involve them.
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September 10, 2017 8:47pm
rangitoto

Taxinda was crying over old labour party shoes on TV. Wonder how many attempts to get a good take.
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September 10, 2017 10:32pm
Jack5

China is going to set a deadline ending the sale of cars powered by petrol or diesel.

New surges are going to change electricity demand. Our southern lakes don’t have huge storage capability either. I hear the big Clyde dam has water only for days rather than weeks.

Its time NZ started harnessing its reserves of coal-seam gas and offshore natural gas. We’re going to need thermal-generated power to top up supplies when the southern lakes are low and the sun hits home solar units.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-09/china-to-ban-sale-of-fossil-fuel-cars-in-electric-vehicle-push
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September 10, 2017 10:54pm
rangitoto

Manapouri.
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September 10, 2017 11:11pm
- Jack5
  
  Rangitoto, you would lose at least 10 per cent transporting the power as far as Wellington.
  
  Worse, our balance of payments deficits would worsen without the 300,000 tonnes of aluminium exported (world price $US2000 a tonne) each year from the smelter. That’s $NZ845 million worth a year.
  
  We’ve been running balance of payments deficits for 40 years or so, and can’t afford scrapping this contribution from, in effect, exporting electricity. That’s the choice: export the electricity or burn it in the homes of import-guzzling Auckland.
  
  Use the bloody gas before the next owners of Aotearoa New Zealand do.
  
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  September 10, 2017 11:22pm
Monique Watson

What’s wrong with you slackers. We almost made it to the half ton with the comments, and then you all dropped like flies.
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September 11, 2017 12:59am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Good to hear Jacinda so completely out of touch with the rest of the world on the ZB leaders breakfast. “Food Miles”, really? No one talks about that any more here in the UK.
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