General Debate 7 August 2017

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pdm

Good morning – 20 degrees predicted for Hastings today.
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August 7, 2017 8:02am
- cmm
  
  Jacinda makes such a difference!
  
  See what a bit of positivity can do.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:23am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  All Tooth Fairy effect mate. Worship her and you shall be shown the heaven.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:35am
- sooty
  
  – 20 deg, climate change has realy hit you.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:35am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  1.46pm and we’re 19.4.
  20 is a real possibility
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:47pm
- pdm
  
  20 hit according to TV1 news – the car showed 19.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:40pm
waikatogirl

Very positive of you pdm. ?
Going for rain in the Waikato
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August 7, 2017 8:03am
- waikatogirl
  
  No rain as predicted. Beautiful sunny day. Would have changed my plans if I’d known the weather would be so good today…….
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:32pm
duggledog

I have yet to see anyone in the NZ media actually articulate this, but the average kiwi’s view on the Metiria Turei scandal is that her past behaviour is exactly why MSD are so tough on beneficiaries today.

It’s a little rich for Turei to blame the department for being uncaring and cruel when people like her have essentially made it like that.

Nobody would deny the genuinely needy who go to the State for support, but if it weren’t for the thousands who have ripped the system off for decades be it DPB, ACC, HNZ, tertiary ed etc then there would be so much more money for those cases.

I strongly suspect Material Turei’s real reason for digging her heels in, is that she can see the large salary, $2,000 dresses, perks, importance, parties at the castle and benefits coming to an end shortly.

The low class ones always become addicted to it.

Turei also knows her prospects in or out of the public service are extremely limited. She is far too toxic.

And then there’s a lifetime of dirty looks in Pak N Save. So sad.
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August 7, 2017 8:04am
- Paulus
  
  I suspect that many Beneficiaries will find the going much more vigorous with Winz now that Turei has expose Fraud in her dealings.
  Will they blame her – no, its the system that is being ripped off so that’s alright.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:07am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, more confrontation and entitlement from WINZ “customers”.
    
    It’s going to be rough on WINZ staff until MeTu gets prosecuted.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:28am
- RalphT
  
  Sorry duggledog, I’m only allowed one tick.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:10am
  - Random T Person
    
    Please for the love of all that is good, can we not go down that childish and irritating habit of Daily Bog readers with their ‘+100’ inanity.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:02am
    - Garbageman
      
      They did that because half their threads used to be complaining about the “RWNJs” down ticking all their posts so removed the option hence the intelligent response’s + 100 +1000 etc
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:04am
- tas
  
  Amen. That and the complete lack of thankfulness for taxpayer support is why people want WINZ to be tough with beneficiaries. Has Turei thanked the taxpayers for their hard-earned money? No. She just talks about being entitled to it.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:13am
  - Nermal
    
    That’s a really good point you make. The two short periods I spent on the DPB, I was genuinely grateful that I lived in a country that enabled me to take time off to look after my daughter. I used to thank the WINZ staff, and treat them with respect. With one notable exception that attitude was returned by them, I guess a nice change from some of the arrogant entitled ferals that I encountered (just like MT)
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:41pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      How much is it costing to have security guards outside every WINZ office in NZ to deter entitleitis from some ‘customers’.
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:35pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  How many years until Turei’s parliamentary pension is secured for life? Or has she done three terms already?
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:17am
  - RalphT
    
    Sadly this is her fifth term, having come in in 2002. So she is well versed in all the perks and how to hang on to them.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  From a Japanese/Asian cultural (read: family connection-obsessed) perspective, I find it fascinating that the alleged father (Mr. Hartley) has such a well-connected and politically experienced mother*. This is the kind of material that would give the Tokyo wide shows** a wet dream.
  For a self-proclaimed “victim,” Turei has a knack for seeking the family of Labour aristocracy. A very cunning woman indeed…
  
  * Margaret Ann Hartley, known as Ann Hartley, is a former New Zealand member of parliament, a former Mayor of North Shore City, and a member of the Labour Party. Before entering politics, she was a real estate agent. Source: Wikipedia
  
  ** “Wide Show” is Japanese English. Google it.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:18am
- Chuck Bird
  
  She could get a job returning trolleys there.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:28am
  - VicParking
    
    No she would take it to the next spermarket because he friend works there.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:35am
    - RalphT
      
      I suspect she’s the kind who just leaves the trolley in a street a mile away from the supermarket.
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:39am
      - pdm
        
        More likely takes it home so she can get her washing out to the clothesline.
        
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        August 7, 2017 8:59am
      - RalphT
        
        pdm, you mean the clothesline at the place she wasn’t actually living, but only went there for laundry and voting purposes?
        
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        August 7, 2017 9:12am
      - VicParking
        
        The one she went for nooky
        
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        August 7, 2017 9:42am
      - calendar girl
        
        Materia Turei walk a mile from the supermarket? I have serious doubts about that.
        
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        August 7, 2017 11:12am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Called creating employment.
        
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        August 7, 2017 6:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    With her Taxpayer MPs pension she will have no need to work.
    
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    August 7, 2017 1:30pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      But will a parliamentary pension and travel perks be enough to keep her in the style to which we’d all like to be accustomed.
      Or will there be more fraud to boost the coffers?
      
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      August 7, 2017 1:50pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  At least Sue Bradford had integrity. When ze fat cherman started funding her political party, she decided to up sticks and get out of dodge. I have no time for Sue Bradfords politics, but I will always respect her integrity. I quite like the woman just quietly, I’d buy her a beer. As for Turei, I am reminded of a phrase in an RN officers performance appraisal. “In my last report, I stated that this officer had reached rock bottom; regrettably he has learned how to dig!”
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:30am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sorry bro. Fat Frog will claw her back out of this. She will not quit. She will hold on like Pants Down Brown and ride this through. She will be back as a Greens scum list MP and continue to enjoy the benefits of parliament. Shameless creatures.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:37am
  - Nermal
    
    Sadly you are right. Pigs ensconced at their trough don’t care if they are up to their bellies in mud. Another analogy, toads like muck too.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:45pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I am quite happy to smile and interact with the employees at whack a slave, everyone has to start and finish Somewhere!
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:45am
- Doubledimp
  
  Some questions that have not yet been asked in this issue,…
  1. Why wasn’t Metiria using contraception? Isn’t birth control the individuals responsibility? (We all know the howls of rage that appear when it is suggested the State manage someone’s reproductive cycle.)
  2. Wasn’t Metiria already unemployed when she became pregnant?
  3. Isn’t the lower level of income provided by the DPB meant to be a deterrent to having to need it?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:47am
  - howitis
    
    Turei was busy failing.
    http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/metiria-turei-my-daughter-saved-me-5497
    “I failed at everything. I failed School Certificate, Sixth Form Certificate, my Bachelor of Arts, teachers’ college – everything! my life was a succession of failures.”
    
    She was 22 or 23 ish when she got knocked up. Depends what day of the week she is telling the story and what address she may or may not have shagging in. It is shifting sands with her stories.
    
    This is not a naive teenager. 16 or 17 yes. At 18 you have to be rather dim to still be naive on such matters. At 22…it’s not like she was Exclusive Brethren!
    
    The Hartley family is well heeled. Paul H’s brother has a Masters degree and was an Executive at Lion Nathan at that time. The family owned multiple properties including a holiday home on Great Barrier Island. Ann Hartley had been in real estate then politics being a one term Mayor of North Shore City at about the time Turei got knocked up.
    
    We see how manipulative Turei is, and how economic with the truth.
    There is a chance she targeted P Hartley as it was a well off family.
    At 22 or 23 she kinda had to know about the birds and the bees.
    
    PS Dd: on pt 3. Yes. Welfare should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. TOP, Greens etc seem to have gone all Venezuelan on this.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      A maori girl I went to school with found a nice reliable guy, said she was pregnant and got married even though he wasn’t that keen.
      11 months later she had the baby!
      The marriage didn’t last.
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:50am
      - cmm
        
        11 months later?? So she lied to the bloke that she was pregnant to get him to marry her?
        
        Quality all the way!
        
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        August 7, 2017 12:50pm
    - Gabby
      
      They can afford expensive lawyers. We’ll not be finding out who was doing the manipulating any time soon.
      
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      August 7, 2017 12:56pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Should he take dna test?
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:37pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Welcome Doubledimp now quietly please go away/sarc and pass the mind bleach on your way out its bad enough someone clambered on without having to dissect her personal habits any further
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:21am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  “Metiria Turei: I’d made the call before Jacinda got in touch”
  
  Sure honey, sure.
  We all believe that
  Pfft
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:17pm
sooty

Resign. Me Tu. Resign.
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August 7, 2017 8:07am
- simpleton1
  
  Resign after the election.
  If necessary continue until after a ‘snap election’, then resign.
  
  It is ‘cute’ that Shaw is defending Turei, as indirectly, so is Ardhern.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Shaw says Me Tu’s confession has highlighted the 230,000 NZ children who are living in poverty. FFS.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:25am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Shaw is a waste of space if you haven’t realised by now.
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    Perhaps Turei has something on Shaw!!
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:25am
    - Liberty
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4CNyjjt3Y
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:37am
    - sam green
      
      Perhaps – why don’t you make something up?
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:49am
    - sooty
      
      Yeh, she’s sitting on him!
      
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      August 7, 2017 9:27am
softail 1450

to be fair she has bought it on herself by not being absolutely truthful right from the start,
I’m sure there is more to come….
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August 7, 2017 8:09am
- sooty
  
  Why should she stop at electoral fraud and benefit fraud.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:30am
  - Nermal
    
    True, dishonesty is like a rotten apple in the barrel, a little bit soon becomes a lot.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:50pm
- cmm
  
  Truth or not is one thing.
  
  Justifying it, having no regrets and encouraging others to partake of criminal activity is something entirely different.
  
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  August 7, 2017 12:51pm
Paulus

Dear Wonderwoman Cindy –
I would respectfully suggest that you take your Deputy aside and have a quiet word in his teacher ear and suggest to him that you are the boss and the kind of personal denigration he used against current Ministers is not what would be expected of somebody who, in you possible absence, say overseas, could lead your Party.
He obviously thinks it clever – you would never have done that even if you thought it.
Cindy – Watch him he is already out of his depth and way above his intelligence level.
Grant is loving it though.
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August 7, 2017 8:13am
- All_on_Red
  
  It was deliberate. They are trying to say Bill has no personality but Jacinda has, so vote for her to get a PM with personality.
  Pretty vacuous reason really but then again Jacinda seems pretty vacuous to me.
  What has she actually achieved in Parliament?
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:24am
  - Happychappy
    
    One week ago the media were saying Labour were unelectable and now they are putting all their weight behind Labour because of their New Leaders looks and style. The Labour package hasn’t changed the infighting will continue and the policy is all about using other people’s money to give to the unfortunate. I am just waiting for someone to ask for the correct costings of all their policy and their coalition partners so we can see where the money is coming from and how much unemployment it will create.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:44am
    - Paulus
      
      What Policy – I am still waiting or is it the same as used in the last three elections ?
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:05am
- calendar girl
  
  When will NZ’s ‘political journalists’ give up on their preoccupations (in most instances, some rare exceptions!) with personalities and beauty-parades?
  
  In the interests of their readers and viewers (i.e. their ‘customers’), it’s about time that they did some serious, comparative analysis to define the policies, taxation plans and projected expenditures of the four leading Parties.
  
  What we are being fed presently as political commentary are repeated insults to our collective intelligence.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:28am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:47am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu.
    
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    August 7, 2017 12:51pm
- redeye
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/poll-jacinda-ardern-s-popularity-plummets.html
  “Ms Ardern says the pressure and anxiety has ballooned since she took over as second in command, adding that it would be unmanageable as leader.”
  
  We don’t necessarily need personality to run our country. We need intelligence and mental strength.
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:59am
  - Kimbo
    
    No, you can delegate. While David Lange was intelligent, he was also lazy. So he seldom applied “mental strength”.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Can’t wait for the media to portray Cindy in a bikini to get attention.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:06am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Mmmm. Jacinda has a very short memory. So she takes on the top job because? Already we’ve established that she can’t remember what she said; she isn’t a woman of principles; tells the punters what they want to hear; is dancing to the tune of Alf and his team and I need to add Phil Goff here as well; suffers from anxiety so how can we be assured that her decisions are stable and credible; talks at people and not to them; doesn’t answer questions put to her – instead says what she thinks you want to hear; has no idea of the costs involved on her promise (Alf is filling her head with bright or not so bright ideas)here’s an opportunity for Bill English to challenge her and say ‘show me the money’ but add in ‘honey’ as well – that ought to get her hackles up! Hands over the Small Business portfolio to Andrew Little who says employers are parasites. Not very clear thinking going on Jacindarella. But, but, on the flip side, Annette King says Jacindarella understands how businesses operate as she worked in a fish n chip shop once! Yeah right, hand me a Tui?
    
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    August 7, 2017 1:00pm
oldpark

Great to see NZ will be in “good” hands if the Green/Liebour cabal wins in September.
Turei/Davis/Ardern running NZ.
Turei =self confessed tax payer funded benefit thief.
Davis= tendencies to criminal hugging,and gets his votes from a race based electorate.
Ardern =When running the International Union of Social Youth. Was known as the commie chic from NZ.
Certainly someting to look foward to, should the mentioned make it on that date.
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August 7, 2017 8:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It is a frightening scenario which gives me the shits every time I think about it.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:24am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    If every National voter who double ticked National do the same this time, they would have done a great service to this country than its army to be honest.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:41am
    - Kimbo
      
      …except for the electorate votes in Epsom, Ohariu and the Maori seats. 😉
      
      While I’m intending to party-vote National, I’ll be voting for Deborah Russell, the Labour candidate in New Lynn for MP. She is the best candidate, and for the good of the country the opposition does need some competence!
      
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      August 7, 2017 10:55am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU!!!!!
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:40am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      I suggest that as that is well on the way to meme status, you copyright it, as I did with Kimbo’s law*, the-holysheet-school-of-wilful-and-capricious-spelling, and “Postcards from Stars and Stripes”.
      
      Same advice for you too, Gabby. 😉
      
      * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs”.
      
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      August 7, 2017 10:52am
      - Gabby
        
        Kimbo’s Law is a ass’.
        
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        August 7, 2017 12:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thanks, Gabby. But you could have added extra value if you had written:
        
        Clearly Kimbo’s Law is a ass’.
        
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        August 7, 2017 1:07pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Arse….
        
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        August 7, 2017 1:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        ~~Ass~~ Arse
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb04B43d99A
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMpySg_UrM
        
        “The British and Americans are two peoples separated by a common language”. 😉
        
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        August 7, 2017 1:11pm
RF

It was sickening watching the obese green thing parading around parliament in her designer clothing. It was an “up you” to the disadvantaged.

If she had any ethics or genuine remorse she should have been quietly arranging the repayment of the money she defrauded from WINZ.

Her cowardly co-leader who supports her will be tainted for many years.

I believe the Greens will suffer terminal damage because of these two clowns.
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August 7, 2017 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I certainly hope you are right RF.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:25am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU!!!!!
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:41am
- KevOB
  
  Green rot is underway. Few can face the idea of MT being in Parliament and the members there are fussy too. She didn’t leave when she a quick chance; now it should be about February after she has demolished her former party.
  
  She may even put off Russel Norman.
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:54am
Right of way is Way of Right

I’ve been stewing over Metiria Turei’s attitude over the last few days, but since the passage of time has allowed me to think a little more clearly, I have worked out what it is about her attitude that disgusts me.

It is her disrespect.

She has disrespected the NZ taxpayer, by continuing to claim that she had no choice but to lie to access OUR money.

She has disrespected the electoral process of our country, by claiming to have fraudulently enrolled elsewhere so that the universal enfranchisement that women worldwide fought, and in some cases DIED for could be wasted on voting for a mate. (an assertion I don’t believe for a moment, just quietly!)

She has disrespected every father in the country. By her actions, she has relegated every father in the country to the role of sperm donor and financial provider to a tax system that she can now rort.

She has disrespected her mother by reducing her role as a parent and grandparent to the role of a financially independent flatmate.

She has disrespected the father of her child by defining his role in the raising of his daughter in her terms only, and allowed him to abrogate his responsibility.

She has disrespected her daughter by telling her that her role in life was to make things financially easier for her mother, and that her relationship with her father has to be engineered in such a way as to provide the best financial benefit for her mother.

She has disrespected every solo parent in the country who has worked hard to make ends meet so they can make the best possible life for their children.

She has disrespected every hard working parent who sometimes take on two or three jobs to make ends meet, and to provide a life for their children.

She has disrespected every beneficiary in New Zealand by taking more than her fair share, thereby making life harder for all of those who may even have a greater need.

She has disrespected her party, by using her position to try and spin this story as a ‘crusade’ for the humble beneficiary, rather than face the consequences of her actions when this story broke.

Her attitude smacks of entitlement. She appears to think that she is better than the rest of us. She has not apologised, and shows no contrition for her actions.

These are not the personal qualities of anyone who should be anywhere near the levers of power in this country. She has no morals, scruples or credibility.

She must go, but she will not, as she has no respect for anyone, not even herself. If she truly respected herself, she would face up to ALL the consequences of her actions, and deal with them honestly.

She didn’t deal honestly with the consequences of her actions 25 years ago, she hasn’t changed, she never will.

Dump her!
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August 7, 2017 8:23am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Bravo!
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:30am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Her attitude smacks of entitlement. She appears to think that she is better than the rest of us. She has not apologised, and shows no contrition for her actions.
  
  These are not the personal qualities of anyone who should be anywhere near the levers of power in this country.
  
  Very well said. This case also brings to the fore issues around incompetent ethnics being pushed into unearned position of power under the holy guise of equality and diversity.
  
  The harsh truth is that Maoris will never be equal to Whitey and it is cruel to teach them that they can be, it just leads them to resent Whitey because if they are “equal” then their failures and incompetence must be caused by Pakeha and “their system” somehow keeping them down.
  
  If it is whitey keeping her down, of course she’s not going to feel remorse about ripping off “the system” as she believes it is her entitlement.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:35am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Steady on EAD, there was no mention of ethnicity in what I posted, and with good reason.
    
    I work in an organisation where many Maori hold positions of authority, an authority which has been earned. Although I have no Maori ancestry, I do have iwi affiliation.
    
    You cannot just tar all Maori as fraudsters and cheats. It is simply not true.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:56am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Thanks Right of Way for clarifying – I actually didn’t class Maori as Fraudsters and Cheats, rather that their sense of entitlement stemming from the Maori grievance industry plays a definite part in Tureis lack of remorse.
      
      If Maori really are equal Does this mean that we can scrap the positive discrimination employment laws (I’m guessing your public sector or the “Maoris” aren’t actually really Maori) and the lowering of grades for Maoris for Medical school entry?
      
      Does it also confirm that the vastly disproportionate numbers of Maori in prison is due to “institutional racism”?
      
      Further, do you agree then that the TOW gravy train has not produced a situation of Maori entitlement due to Pakeha moving into their lands?
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:45pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    EAD_TWO,
    If Polynesian DNA hails from East Asia (from the aborigines of Taiwan?) then it is possible that the Maori have a some of those Caucasian-beating Asian-high-IQ genes in their genotype.
    Add the significant portion of Caucasian blood that must be present in any non-pure-blood Maori, then you would expect a equivalent level of intelligence to this “whitey” fellow.
    On the other hand, the victim culture, fragmentation of the nuclear family, dependence of welfare and lack of respect for scholarship that is a common feature to underclass cultures the world over, has blighted the lives of many “Maori.”
    If a race has any intelligence, it will seek to cast off the shackles of State dependency and to stand proudly on its own two feet, to take personal responsibility for the protection and fostering of its own language, traditions and its most vulnerable members.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:58am
- All_on_Red
  
  Of course you are completely correct but personally I want her to stay. As a wise man said “the left wants the right to shut up. The right wants the left to keep talking . . . .”
  She’s a whited sepulchre and as such will detract from any message the Left try to promote.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:39am
- RalphT
  
  A very disrespectful piece. Loved every word.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Excellent post RoW. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:34am
- Gabby
  
  Is she uppity?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:42am
duggledog

old park

add to that list the batshit crazy Gareth Morgan whose policy is to make it illegal to kick people out of rentals
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August 7, 2017 8:24am
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I LIKE SHEEP

I LIKE NATIONAL

I LIKE SHEEP

I LIKE NATIONAL

I LIKE SHEEP

I LIKE NATIONAL

I LIKE SHEEP AND NATIONAL
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August 7, 2017 8:35am
- Garbageman
  
  in Invers we call them Southland blonds Scorpion I think there are special websites you can go to for your sheep pleasure or addiction therapy
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:34am
cmm

Jane Bowron says:

Vote Green because of Chloe Swarbrick. With her hipster/preppie dress style.

And Jacinda has big white teeth.

Is this the shit that comes from 3 years of a journalism degree?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95394882/turei-tomorrow-and-the-future-of-the-greens
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August 7, 2017 8:40am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Forgive this new Boworon Moron. She is the new one to worship at the feet of Tooth Fairy. Wait until all of them wipe the mud of their face when Tooth Fairy flops big time on September 23rd.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:42am
- Inandout
  
  Journalists like Bowron should take early retirement.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:50am
  - Jack5
    
    Too late for Bowron!
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:24am
- KKKKatee
  
  Toni Street is another so-called Journalist who has turned ga ga over jolly hockey sticks Jacindarella. It’s nauseating and I question why such Jo average people like Street ever get out of journalism school. Remind myself to by pass the Women’s day etc until the election is over. Can’t bear to read b…… pedalled by rubbish writers. Husband couldn’t bear to watch gushing Kamo in TV’s last night so switched channels. Fine me.
  
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  August 7, 2017 2:32pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Tooth Fairy is taxing 10 cents a litre on the Jaffas. She also says other tools like infrastructure bonds and “targeted rates”. Jaffas, get ready to be taxed to death. Phil Goff, another Tax and Spend specialist will be licking his lips in anticipation of these new tax tools.
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August 7, 2017 8:45am
- waikatogirl
  
  It’s not just Aucklanders who will be paying the Auckland fuel tax. Anyone driving through and purchasing fuel will be paying the fuel tax. Haulage companies will be paying from their nationwide offices throughout NZ. Costs will rise on goods to cover delivery costs.
  
  Liarbors economic plan. Watch out everyone, it’s going to cost us all more directly or indirectly to live.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    Anyone driving through Auckland will have the savvy to buy fuel elsewhere on their trip.
    
    Service stations can expect a drop in business.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:59am
    - oldpark
      
      Only if crooked Greens/commie/Liebour win the election.
      
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      August 7, 2017 9:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    So how is Kelvin helping his people in the far north with a fuel tax, if they travel to the big City it will cost more whether on public transport or at the pumps. All goods will rise as the who ever delivers has to pay more so again the consumer has to pay and the only one getting something out of it is Phil Goff and Labour so when it comes to talking poverty blame them as it will take more money away from the ones that need it most.
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:41am
  - KevOB
    
    Goff proposed this to the present government and it was rejected. Enormous planning is required and resources have to be made available.
    
    Sorry Jacinda, what the wise have rejected only the foolish accept.
    Being in politics is not just about dressing up; other people may be affected too.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:02am
  - Paulus
    
    And the cancellation of the increases by way of tax adjustments in April. Tell the superannuant that they are not going to get a rise as expected in April and listen to the howls – but Winston will sort it all out if you vote for him.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:12am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:31am
  - Viking2
    
    Haulage companies will be paying from their nationwide offices throughout NZ.
    
    Nope.
    They will do a Google and have it charged thru Dunedin Branch.
    
    That’s why it’s too hard.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:13pm
- alloytoo
  
  This will solve Auckland’s housing crisis for sure.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:55am
- cmm
  
  It’s the thin end of the wedge.
  
  After 6 months expect the tax to increase right through NZ.
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:58am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Given the undeniable fact that living in Auckland is already beyond the means of many, as evidenced by the movement of teachers to other parts of the country, why would your first act as a party leader be to make it harder to live in Auckland? You can’t fix stupid!
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:00am
  - jcuk
    
    It is all part of a get/keep fit plan to encourage teaches to live near schools so they can walk/cycle to work.
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:37am
- Manolo
  
  We all feel for the Jafas, don’t we?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:07am
  - GazzaW
    
    I’m sure that you do Manolo but save your sympathy for yourself because Auckland is only the starting point.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:22pm
EAD_TWO

Off topic of the day, but painstaking work in translation now means Nobel Prize winning author Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s masterpiece “200 Years Together” is now available in English for the public to read:

https://twohundredyearstogether.wordpress.com/e-books/

Dare you read the most censored book in history?
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August 7, 2017 8:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  All pre-teen children should read Orwell. All young adults should read Solzhenitsyn.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:02am
Keeping Stock

Tom Walsh; World Shotput Champion.

He’s the first New Zealand male to win a World Championship medal of any colour, and a bloody good sort to boot. done!
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August 7, 2017 8:54am
- RalphT
  
  Excellent result and at only 25 he’s probably still got another ten years ahead of him on the world circuit.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:16am
alloytoo

It it just me, but does Labour’s transport policy do pretty much the same thing as National’s but for a few billion more?
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August 7, 2017 8:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Labour used their usual pie in the sky any number will do costing model and National did not add in the inevitable cost blow out.
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:23am
  - KevOB
    
    National actually have official input available to help sensible decision making.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Cindy actually suggested “Crowd Funding” during last nights TVNZ interview policy for the light rail.
    
    Not enough PAYE, fuel tax and rates but also voluntary payments welcome! Lol
    
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    August 7, 2017 1:15pm
Keeping Stock

It’s funny how Labour’s attitude to fuel taxes has done a 180* back flip in five years; this, from Stuff on 18 December 2012 (emphasis is mine):

Adding 9 cents a litre to the price of petrol by 2015 is the only way National can reach surplus in the next three years, Labour says.

The Government announced today it plans to hike the price of driving, adding 9 cents a litre to the price of petrol by 2015. In each of the next three Julys, the Government will impose a 3 cent a litre rise to the excise tax component of petrol.

The announcement came just hours before the Government opened the books for its half-yearly economic update.
The increase in excise tax on petrol would lift Government income by up to $300 million a year and Finance Minister Bill English said while it would have an impact on the Government’s accounts, he denied it was done to ensure the forecasts showed a surplus.

Labour leader David Shearer believes otherwise.

“National’s promise on the surplus is too big to break. It has to get there. But it’s forecast to get there with a razor-thin margin of just $66m by cutting jobs, selling assets and raising prices at the petrol pumps,” he said.

“New Zealanders deserve better than a Government that is out of ideas and is just managing our decline.”

The decision on petrol tax came at a time when Kiwis were already struggling, Shearer said.

“This isn’t the Christmas present that Kiwis expected. They’re finding it hard enough to pay the bills now, let alone having to pay more for petrol to paper over the cracks in National’s books.”

Each 1 cent added to the pump price of petrol adds around $15 to the annual running cost for the average motorist.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8093607/Labour-slams-Government-petrol-tax-hikes

But of course, I forgot; backflips are fines when performed by left-wing gymnasts like Jacinda Ardern!
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August 7, 2017 8:58am
- Manolo
  
  Comrade Ardern and socialist Labour have a very short memory.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:06am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Since I haven’t had lots of downticks for a while…
  To be fair, since 2012 a lot has happened to encourage parties to change their views.
  Even National has changed their mind on things as more information has come to light.
  Personally I don’t care how much they tax Aucklanders as long as they leave the rest of the country alone, but can you see them not hiking the fuel tax around the country once they see that people just grit their teeth and pay it?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    …but can you see them not hiking the fuel tax around the country once they see that people just grit their teeth and pay it?
    
    Precisely. It would only be a matter of time before the fuel tax was extended to cover the cost of other regional roading projects, then to the entire country. Taxing the bejesus out of productive, hard-working New Zealanders is embedded in Labour’s DNA.
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:37am
    - RalphT
      
      Then of course we would need to have a special tax for Auckland’s transport needs, so another 10 cents would get added and the upward spiral continued.
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:06am
    - Viking2
      
      Labour Lite’s as well.
      Our current debt. $85 billion.
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:08pm
- waikatogirl
  
  If Auckland are so desperate to improve their travel time, why didn’t Auckland put a toll on the alternate route of the Waterview Tunnel to raise money directly for their motorway development?
  
  Tauranga has plenty of toll roads and they work well. Drivers choice to use or not.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Waterview is already pretty clogged up at rush times; why not franchise window washers to work on the slow moving cars?
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:26am
    - RalphT
      
      Or hang flaps from the roof and turn it into a giant car wash.
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:07am
holysheet

Coming soon to a store near you

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/08/06/man-tax-adds-18-percent-to-bill-at-australian-cafe.html
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August 7, 2017 9:00am
- Andrei
  
  LOL
  
  A vegan cafe in Brunswick, Australia, charges its male customers an 18 percent surcharge to represent the gender pay gap, Broadsheet reports.
  
  No real man eats in a cafe where you can’t order thick slabs of dead cow, charred on the outside and pink in the middle
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:16am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Amen to that Brother Andrei. If there’s not a bit of meat juice dripping down your chin, it’s not real food 😎
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:39am
    - RalphT
      
      “If there’s not a bit of meat juice dripping down your chin, it’s not real food” – unless it’s a pie. (Non-vegan, of course.)
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:09am
  - Peter
    
    There is a couple sitting at one of their tables. What if the male is a student and the female is an investment banker?
    
    So much stupid.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:50am
    - cmm
      
      Well the bloke must be a serious cuck for letting his date choose the place.
      
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      August 7, 2017 12:56pm
  - Nermal
    
    I don’t like vegans. Too gristly, not enough fat.
    
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    August 7, 2017 4:02pm
- alloytoo
  
  But what if I identify as female?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:51am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  There’s a place from which I would vote with my feet!
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:19am
- Gabby
  
  What if ‘she’s paying’?
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Don’t you fing well start making sense now!
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:27am
  - Garbageman
    
    When the meds kick in Gobby you do come out with the occasional goodun
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:42am
Manolo

Power struggle in the WH:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-enemies-list-drove-mcmasters-bannon-feud

An internal White House enemies list of alleged Obama loyalists to be fired early in the Trump administration is a key contributor to a long-running feud between the National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster and White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, two senior administration officials tell The Daily Beast.
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August 7, 2017 9:04am
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I am posting this today as a preliminary message, it will be more complete soon.

This is an open letter to Justice Ian Binnie.

It is important that you realise your work is known to be correct by New Zealanders that understand science and common sense.

[deleted by DPF as defamatory, and Strike 4]
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August 7, 2017 9:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Defame people all you like on your own forum Notsofast. But to make what are arguably defamatory statements on DPF’s blog, exposing him to the possibility of litigation is exceptionally bad form, and a form of cowardice.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:41am
  - Notsofast
    
    Bullshit tvb. I have all the proof.
    
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    August 7, 2017 2:14pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Keeping Stock. You are one of a village of idiots. The cowardice is the media. They are a gutless bunch of pop artists, shunning the difficult stories. DPF can take comments down, but maybe he understands my documentation is cast iron.
    
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    August 7, 2017 2:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      So you don’t support capital punishment, Notsofast?
      
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      August 7, 2017 10:04pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Thank you for showing interest in my life and times an current philosophical conditions Jack5.
        
        Only for my wife and children would be a first thought.
        
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        August 7, 2017 10:59pm
tvb

And the speck of brain tissue on Lundy’s shirt?? How does he explain that. I do not think there is a big groundswell to free Lundy. His so called alibi looked too carefully constructed to be credible.
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August 7, 2017 9:26am
dime

Dime actually had tv1 on last night for about half an hour.

the puff piece on jacinda came on.

lol

first of all – shes aging badly. yikes. is she a smoker? she has the westie trash look down pat.

then it was – she doesnt want to be a lifelong politician, shes here for a good time.. BAHAHAHA

i turned off after that cause i get cranky. did anyone point out to her that she is a lifelong politician? how full of shit.

its like that jamie lee idiot for national who went from high school to council to parliament.

they are lifers.

our media make me sick.
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August 7, 2017 9:26am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin dyspeptic.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ahhh, that was close, back to the inane crap comments we have become accustomed to.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:30am
- wiseowl
  
  Dime
  Can recommend catching “The Outsiders” on sky news australia on sunday and later the farming show on ch 83.
  
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  August 7, 2017 5:33pm
cas

A sign of the media bias now they have got a new face to support. Last night’s TV 3 news showed their headline about transport with a) Jacinda in front of Bill and 2) Jacinda with a smile and bill with a slightly worried look. And their political commentator Lloyd Burr refrained from questioning how Labour will pay for it all
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August 7, 2017 9:30am
- Gabby
  
  Bingles’ resting expression is slightly worried. He’s always thinking ‘Is it safe?Is it safe?Is it safe?Is it safe?’
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:57am
  - waikatogirl
    
    At least Bill does think, eh Gobby.
    Never trust someone who smiles too much. ?
    
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    August 7, 2017 1:19pm
    - Gabby
      
      It’s sad, terribly sad, that you think ‘at all’ is too much. I despair sometimes, I really do.
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:56pm
- MGT
  
  It’s very clear in Labour’s policy how they will pay for it – savings from East/West link and regional fuel tax.
  
  How will National pay for their promises?
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:04am
  - Gabby
    
    Demanding dividends from DHBs.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:05am
    - MGT
      
      and don’t forget Housing NZ!
      
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      August 7, 2017 10:49am
  - Liberty
    
    Labours Auckland fuel tax of 10c litre plus GST along with cancelling
    tax cuts could equate to over a $1000 a year.
    That is going to go down like cup of cold soap for anyone on struggle street.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:08am
  - rangitoto
    
    If we go gween and all run around in electric cars. Then fuel tax = zilch.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:51am
- KKKKatee
  
  The idiots who call themselves Journalists are smitten. I’d like them to ask JA if she went to Dotcom’s house in Coatesville like a lot of the other MP’s. In fact, I think the voting public should be reminded of who hitched their wagon momentarily to Dotcom during the last election. That way, we’ll get a clearer picture of who is worthy of voting for.
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:46am
  - Garbageman
    
    Welcome Katee I think it would be quicker if we discovered who from the left didn’t tread that well worn path to .crims abode
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:47am
dime

just read gareff wants to make it so you can never evict tenants unless they stop paying or break the place up.

what a fucking moron.

where did he get his PHD?

who here would keep their rentals if that was coming in? is he willfully trying to crash the market and then have the glorious state take over?

what a wanker.
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August 7, 2017 9:31am
- srylands
  
  I have been a tenant and a landlord. My experience as both is that if you are a good tenant – pay rent, treat the place well, you are mostly going to have security. My current tenants are fantastic and I don’t want them to leave. So I pitch the rent to the lower end of market rates. I would rather sacrifice $30 per week in rent for stable, excellent tenants.
  
  At the other end of the spectrum, I have had nightmare tenants. No you can’t smoke in the flat. No you can’t use drugs. No you can’t have a cat. (A week later “Didn’t I say you couldn’t have a cat?!).
  
  There does not seem to be much middle ground with tenants. They are either really good (most of them ) or a nightmare. The ones who are a nightmare bring all their problems on themselves.
  
  One law I would support is measures to force landlords to insulate and rid flats of dampness, where it is reasonably practical to do so. And no it is not just about airing the place. I once lived in a damp mouldy flat and NOTHING I did solved the problem. Made it a bit better but it was a f**** nightmare. So I left and found a new flat.
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:06am
  - Garbageman
    
    srylands I have had the same tenant for the last 10 years his rent remains at $ 230 (remember this is Invercargill) same as it was when he moved in when you get a good one those extra few dollars become irrelevant he even does some maintenance work if he moves I will probably sell who needs the hassle of potential ferals and their dramas
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:56am
- chris
  
  and then have the glorious state take over
  
  Maybe it’s not intended, but that would have to be the end result. His two policies to do with housing in effect contradict one another: no one would want to be a landlord, and you’re penalised (taxed) for living in your own home.
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:15am
MT_Tinman

Reading a story on Stuff this morning I came across this:
Roughly 40 per cent of the country’s state highway network has a two-star safety rating, which means they feature hazards such as narrow shoulders, slanting surfaces, and ditches running alongside them. .

Now given that all sealed roads should have a slanting surface (or we’d rename them “lakes” I wonder whether the next road safety advertisements should simply state;

This (with picture of tarmac) is a road. Please drive on this bit.
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August 7, 2017 9:31am
- nasska
  
  For sealed roads doubling as lakes no part of NZ has practised the art form quite like Northland. Camber doesn’t seem to come into the equation when designing roads while super elevation (or banking) is unknown.
  
  They also have the worst statistics for trucks falling off the roads but no one seems to have made the connection.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:54am
  - Gruffydd
    
    lakes ?
    You want to see the potholes up here.
    Sealed is bad but ffs my rural gravel road has portholes almost a meter deep in places as well as a couple of washouts threatening to close the rd .
    The geology here is totally unstable shite hence the cost of upgrading SH1 from johnstown tunnels.
    
    When sh1 gets blocked between the end of the dome and kiawaka trucks take the b roads
    Last time it happened a truck and trailer went over a bank in the mangawhai gorge.. The time before there was truck crashes closing both Mountain rd and Kiawaka Mangawhai rd detours.
    Many who dont live up here have no idea about the traffic on SH1. It is busy 24/7 with heavy freight
    Its not some godforsaken main rd to nowhere in the sth island.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:15am
    - nasska
      
      ….”The geology here is totally unstable shite”….
      
      That is a big part of the problem. The terrain is either orange clay which doesn’t seem to cohere or compact, interspersed with bottomless swamps.
      
      But IMHO the roading engineers could solve quite a few of the problems by incorporating reasonable camber. Potholes are usually a result of poor water runoff.
      
      If you design a fault into something it’s hard to get people to act amazed when it fails.
      
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      August 7, 2017 10:25am
Fisiani

I see the NZ media are trying to sanctify St Jacinda. The public know that when you put lipstick on a pig then it it is still a pig. Jacinda is the lipstick. I predict a short term rise in support for Labour from the reef fish that will swing back over the next six weeks.
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August 7, 2017 9:37am
- Manolo
  
  Long live comrade Ardern, who walks on water and cures the infirm.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy says she is “Positive” and “Here for a good time, not a long time” ? ? ?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:55am
  - Gabby
    
    Sounds like she’s channelling Ponyboy.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:19am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Positive for what? Sounds catching.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:32pm
dime

this gareff morgan thing really has me fucked.

so, Mrs Dime moves into Dimes house.

obviously, shes a high achiever and already owns her own house which is very nice.

its currently rented out.

under gareff law – she would now have to rent it out until the tenants were done with it??? we could never free up that capital?

what if she wanted to start a company?? gareff is saying that capital is better in housing (probably rent controlled) than in job creation?

what happens when its coatesville lifelstyle estate time in a couple of years? would it be, eat shit dime, tenants for life at your rental?

or is his answer – well dime, she would have had to sell her house when she moved into yours and put all that capital in the bamk for a sweet 1.2%???

just urgh
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August 7, 2017 9:56am
- Shawn Herles
  
  Yes, so much for TOP’s “evidence based” policies. That one is seriously stupid.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:59am
- simpleton1
  
  I figure Labour Green would also be in agreement with Gareth TOPs and this is probably a version of where we are going.
  
  Residential Tenancies (Rent)
  Netherlands modern homes Act 1979, by which according to a ‘residential accommodation points system (points matrix), features such as floor area, position, quality, and facilities earn points. A maximum rent is chargeable for a total number of points. Rent tribunals oversee situations of rent disputes, and have the power to reduce rents.
  
  A landlord may increase the rent of his housing once a year, but the government sets the maximum percentage of increase.
  
  Under Dutch law there are no temporary tenancy agreements; the basic rental contract is one of unlimited duration, with a minimum term of one year.
  Agreements entered into for a limited time period will (after the first period has elapsed) be converted into agreements for unlimited periods.
  https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/Netherlands/Landlord-and-Tenant
  
  They mention it is an average of 72 days for eviction, but I understand many land lords give up, or the tenant may meet a part of the order that resets the clock.
  Next step that taxpayers and rate payers must build social housing..
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:41am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s progressive social policy don’t you see?
    
    Private property gets progressively taken off its owners and handed to the underclass.
    
    Same thing happening here , slowly but surely.
    
    From that council protected tree in your back yard to the ciggies in the dairy and much else besides.
    
    And all parties are at it , even the so called blue team.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:28am
- chris
  
  You could sell it, but the new owner would have to allow the existing tenants to continue to occupy it. And you’d never be able to live in it yourself.
  
  So if you went overseas for a few years (like my brother-in-law has done) and rented your house out while away, you can’t come back and live in it.
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:18am
  - Bullion
    
    That is one area of the policy that I would like Gareth clarify.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:20am
    - chris
      
      From the Stuff article here https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95505946/gareth-morgans-rental-policy-would-make-it-far-harder-to-kick-out-tenants
      
      “Selling a rental property would not be a reason to get rid of tenants – any new buyer would need to take them on.”
      
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      August 7, 2017 11:24am
      - simpleton1
        
        “Selling a rental property would not be a reason to get rid of tenants – any new buyer would need to take them on.”
        
        …. and what if they are a first home buyer ? ?
        
        I guess they are not valued either.
        If they can afford to buy a home for themselves then they are not taxed enough.
        
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        August 7, 2017 11:35am
      - simpleton1
        
        Edit
        “If they can afford to save a deposit and pay a mortage to buy a home for themselves then they are not taxed enough.” 🙂
        
        It will become difficult, as rates must go up as the demand for social housing will be meet from the ratepayers and tax payers.
        It is designed to make you foolish to be house owner.
        
        Another part of your life where you will depend on the ‘munificence’ of the government.
        
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        August 7, 2017 11:50am
      - sooty
        
        What’s the chances of rental houses been put on the market the day after the election, if they got elected. That will fix the housing market!
        
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        August 7, 2017 12:43pm
- Bullion
  
  Nothing is stopping you selling the house to free up that capital.
  
  And Gareth is very much against too much capital in housing, that’s what he is proposing in his tax reform policy: “The current system encourages borrowing and speculating on land values. This comes at the expense of investment in our productive businesses, which are held back by a lack of investment.”
  http://www.top.org.nz/top1
  
  https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/garethmorgan/pages/95/attachments/original/1500500235/01237_TOP_Policy_1_-_Tax_description.pdf?1500500235
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:18am
  - chris
    
    What I think’s funny about this policy is he assumes if mum & dad investors are discouraged from investing in property, they’ll take a chance by investing in companies. Far too risky for most people; they’d be much more likely to invest in the sharemarket, which is just buying & selling shares, not investing in productive businesses.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:23am
  - dime
    
    so i could sell, if i could find someone stupid enough to buy a house tat has a lifelong tenant? yay
    
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    August 7, 2017 2:43pm
    - Bullion
      
      I suppose if the rental returns are high enough that compared to other investment opportunities it makes sense – then sure there will be willing buyers.
      
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      August 7, 2017 2:56pm
      - simpleton1
        
        A reduced bench of buyers.
        At least the first time home buyer will not want to buy, knowing it may be difficult for the house to become vacant for his possession.
        
        The first time home owner will have to build ?
        Would a yurt or tee-pee be ok.
        At least you may get more of them on a bare block of land. 🙂
        
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        August 7, 2017 3:10pm
      - dime
        
        yeah and if there is a unicorn in the backyard that comes with the house there will be evn more buyers.
        
        garbage policy from an ego maniac whose only concern is to show us how clever he is.
        
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        August 7, 2017 5:17pm
    - Gabby
      
      Or who wanted to live in it.
      dim’s gettin deafaid.
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:51pm
  - KevOB
    
    The trouble with so called economists is they know everything and the value of nothing*. Each one has their own take on how the system works which they advocate while personally living in another.
    They are principally an adjunct to the finance industry where they can crank out papers on demand to justify any position. They are like pigs rolling in data.
    Did Gareth get his quals from NK?
    
    * Highly unoriginal.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:46pm
    - Bullion
      
      Gareth did say that this policy is similar to many European nations such as Germany.
      
      There are some good points to it, many more people are predicted to become renters and may need more protection so that their families don’t face huge upheaval (having to change schools, move further away from work etc.) due to the whim of the landlord.
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-03-2017/more-new-zealanders-are-renting-and-renting-for-longer-the-rule-book-needs-to-keep-up/
      
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      August 7, 2017 4:34pm
  - Viking2
    
    Then of course there are a lot of people like me that have lots invested in business but still want lots invested in housing.
    Why, well try borrowing lots from banks without some real equity.
    
    Oh they are being a bit more generous at the moment but sure as tarts have tits they will change with the next breeze. They always do.
    
    Wouldn’t it be nice if politicians just fucked off and minded their own business. The reason all this shit goes down is they simply cannot let people go about their lives without interfering.
    Why can’t we build cheap houses?
    Well we can BUT between Govt. Councils and developers there is nowhere to put them.
    Simple as.
    Only person that has got it right is David Seymour.
    Vote Act.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:55pm
Scorpion

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NATIONAL HOUSING POLICY

SELL ALL HOUSES TO

COMMUNIST CHINA

THEN SELL ALL FARM LAND

TO COMMUNIST CHINA

TELL SHEEP

IT IS CALLED INVESTMENT

VERY GOOD BA HA HA HA
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August 7, 2017 10:06am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dear DPF
  
  Would you kindly do something about the increasingly deranged Scorpion? He’s stinking up your joint 😀
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:12am
- stigie
  
  TWAT !!
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:15am
- BrasellBrush
  
  Do you really have to shout?
  Mind you the town idiot wants to be heard!
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:39am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Boom Boom! ?
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:56pm
KKKKatee

It’s amusing to see how gullible Joe Bloggs on the street is. What they need to remember is that the Labour Party have merely changed the Leader and not the policies. Paddy Gower is making an idiot of himself gushing about JA as if she were a rock star. Katie Bradford and Andrea Vance’s eyes glaze over when they talk about her. Talk about shallow….
Already, I suspect JA has told fibs re Andrew Little’s resignation. At the 10 a.m. Press Conference it was no surprise at all to Labour that Andrew would be resigning. A plan was obviously hatched in the 24 hours prior to that when Kelvin Davis says he got a phone call at 4 a.m. to get on a plane to Wellington. They knew all right was about to go down.
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August 7, 2017 10:40am
- Paulus
  
  Machiavelli Robertson’s hands are all over the Labour Party Parliamentary fiasco.
  Look at his facial features when it was all announced.
  Cindy cannot control the bigmouth teacher from Northland.
  Grunty must be loving it as he can still see his way to the power of control, possibly from behind as usual.
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:20am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Agree. Can someone find that classic pic of Alf & Jacinderalla looking pretty glum when Andrew Little got the top job. Says it all really. They we’re both sulking like a pair it sore losers. Alf & Jacinderalla are co-conspirators all right. A vote for JA is a vote for Alf as he, along with Helen Clark and Michael Cullen are running the show, that much is obvious.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:34am
    - Gabby
      
      Kackytacky? Getting the band back together?
      
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      August 7, 2017 12:34pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Welcome KKKKatee, you have some good points. I think you may have Robbo and Alf mixed up. Grant Robertson is the politician, Alf is his partner, the bus driver. ?
      
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      August 7, 2017 1:34pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Oh, thanks for that. I’ll make sure I get it right in further comments.
        
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        August 7, 2017 2:37pm
    - Paulus
      
      Is not Helen now in Geneva after the job that she has had her eye on since leaving New York ?
      It is another UN number ?
      
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      August 7, 2017 1:39pm
      - GazzaW
        
        She’s on vacation in Europe but the last I heard they still get phone reception there so her physical absence is irrelevant. The strange overnight timing of the coup may also indicate H1 and H2 involvement.
        
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        August 7, 2017 3:41pm
Komata

Concerning the ‘ethics / intelligence’ of ‘Journalists’: the following might be of interest

According to Red Radio’s 0600 news this morning, RNZ obtained (via OIA request) a document which say that an Indian ‘Mr Big’ is controlling the Indian student influx into NZ. Fair enough, and of no surprise. However, it appears that ‘Mr. Big’ was actually named in the document, and it was what came next which floored me. According to the bulletin ‘Mr Big’ denies all knowledge of such things!!’ Is it just me, or do others also get the impression that some idiot RNZ reporter actually walked up to Mr Big’ and asked him point blank ‘Do you control the flow of students into NZ’ ?? What else could the guy say except ‘No’ ? As well, by doing-so haven’t RNZ also just told the Indian that he is being investigated and destroyed all and any work which the NZ immigration authorities might have been doing to actually catch the culprit.

Are NZ ‘journalists’ actually THAT stupid and give absolutely no thought or concern to the consequences of their actions?? I’ve seen this sort of thing done in the US media, and had thought that NZ was possibly above such idiocy; evidently I was wrong.

Noticeably, Immigration NZ (or whatever they may be officially titled) was not approached for comment…
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August 7, 2017 10:50am
- Gabby
  
  Damn those irresponsible journalists thwarting immigration’s strenuous efforts to ignore everything.
  
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  August 7, 2017 12:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Mid day RNZ left out the descriptor “Indian”.
  
  Don’t they embrace diversity and inclusion?
  
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  August 7, 2017 12:33pm
  - Gabby
    
    They might have bought NZ citizenship by now.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:19pm
UpandComer

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/sharing-her-story-pretty-much-last-thing-we-had-left-james-shaw-defends-metiria-tureis-welfare-fraud-admission

Spread this video far and wide tomorrow fellow net tax payers, and take heart. Saint Metiria of Turei isn’t going anywhere, and Saint Shaw of Turei will be there for her and being her in the left’s government all the way to the end.

Metiria told James Shaw everything. He accepted everything. He advised her and supported her to go public. He will carry on her good work after she made ‘the ultimate sacrifice’ of not taking a massive pay rise for her illegal actions. “The Greens will be at the heart of the next labour led government”.

He’s amazed at the vitriol Saint Metiria and he as Saint James of Turie have received.

Saint James ‘Metiria’ Shaw of Turei will continue to protect Metiria from unfair criticism and fight the noble fight for the beneficiaries National’s never done anything for except give larger benefits and jobs, as well as pour time and resource into via social investment.
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August 7, 2017 11:01am
- stigie
  
  And also Shaw said “the hate towards poor people”meaning the right of politics hate poor people.
  What a truck load of excrement from this prick, couldn’t be further from the truth !~
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:40am
UpandComer

Labour’s costings on their transport seem funny. They’ve announced 6 projects. 1 of those projects they costed last year at $1.36billion.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95494591/labour-unveils-light-rail-and-rapid-transit-plan–fuel-tax-and-rates-in-the-mix

They told the journos their full Transport plan they’ve costed at $3.3billion:

“The fuel tax is estimated to raise $160 million a year at 10c a litre, and Labour’s full plan is costed at $3.3 billion, comprising new and accelerated projects over 20 years”.

Now it’s unclear if that figure includes the $1.2billion ‘savings’ from making East/West ‘more efficient’.

It’s also unclear if that figure is the cost to central government after subtracting the $3.2billion over 20 years they think they’ll raise with their regional petrol tax that of course won’t raise downstream costs outside of Auckland or ever increase…

Mount Roskill Light rail to CBD they’ve costed at $1.36billion as recently as October of last year: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336581/labour-s-ardern-pledges-ak-light-rail-link-in-10-years

Stuff then mentions the following projects:
1. Light rail, CBD – Mount Roskill: $1.36billion
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2. Light rail, CBD – West Auckland
“a light rail link to Mt Roskill in four years and then to West Auckland within a decade (stuff)”.
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3. light rail CBD + North Shore + connection to existing lines
.”..followed by a line connecting the North Shore to the CBD (stuff)”
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4. A Bus line airport – East Auckland
“Bus Rapid Transit service between the airport and East Auckland (stuff)”
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5. “More electric trains and a third main trunk line between Wiri and Papakura (stuff)”
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6. Build light rail from the CBD to Auckland Airport
“Build light rail from the CBD to Auckland Airport as part of network that would, over the next decade, include routes to the central suburbs and West Auckland, with later extensions to the North Shore (stuff)”

Then per Radio NZ the costings are: “She said Labour would invest a net $2.1bn extra in Auckland transport infrastructure” http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336581/labour-s-ardern-pledges-ak-light-rail-link-in-10-years (paragraph 4)

Assuming the ‘extra’ is relative to National’s announced spending that number would be $2.6 b+ $2.1b = $4.7billion

That number doesn’t seem to reconcile with anything – I thought they said the full costings were $3.3billion? And that number is also much smaller then the $7.7billion you get if you add to Labour’s ‘full cost’ the ‘savings’ from East West ($1.2b) and the regional fuel tax proceeds over 20 years ($3.2b).

What’s going on?
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August 7, 2017 11:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why would you need light rail to West Auckland when conventional rail already goes there?
  If light rail needs to go anywhere it would be Howick/Botany and the wide road medians are already there to handle it.
  Do these Labourites find their brains in the letterbox?
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:43am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  What kind of luddite thinks a 10 year rail project makes sense? It will be rendered obsolete before it is complete by higher-frequency point-to-point autonomous ride-sharing mini-buses and taxis. The only sensible option given this revolution is building more motorways (tunnels?) that autonomous cars will be able to take advantage of too.
  
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  August 7, 2017 12:19pm
- waikatogirl
  
  UpandComer, Cindy has the extra cost covered. She called for “Crowd funding” during her TV news interview last night.
  
  That’s right, voluntary tax over and above what Liarbor take from your wallet first.
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:40pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Crowd funding?
    
    That can’t be serious.
    
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    August 7, 2017 2:34pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      That blew me away too. I thought WTHeck!
      
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      August 7, 2017 4:00pm
  - KevinH
    
    What Jacinda really means when suggesting crowd funding is private public partnerships i.e. doing a deal with a Chinese infrastructure company.
    Labour should try to be straight up about PPP because they are the only mechanism Labour can tap into to deliver their transport wish list.
    
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    August 7, 2017 2:51pm
    - GazzaW
      
      ……..and here’s me thinking that PPPs were an anathema to Labour – Meridian, Mighty River Power et al.
      
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      August 7, 2017 3:48pm
    - UpandComer
      
      You mean foreign consortia profiting from strategic assets? That’s neoliberal. They wouldn’t be neoliberal.
      
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      August 7, 2017 3:49pm
  - KevOB
    
    Doozy is as Dozey does.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:53pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  For commuter trains to work (as they do so well for workers in Tokyo) you need to have high density residential apartment blocks in walking distance to loop lines (not terminal lines that end in Britomart). You also need bus rotundas in front of each railway station, serving commuters within a 3-km radius of each station.
  To work, Auckland rain needs to be a big loop line, running up from South Auckland through to Helensville, then down through the North Shore, under the harbor (or over the bridge) and through to Britomart.
  The Auckland population needs to be about 3 times higher for trains to be feasible (this can be achieved by the current immigration policies).
  
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  August 7, 2017 3:31pm
  - KevOB
    
    Then we will put up a wall at Pokeno.
    
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    August 7, 2017 3:54pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I though the wall ran along the Bombay ridge?
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:32pm
Keeping Stock

“The Greens will be at the heart of the next labour led government”.

Will Shaw still be an MP in 2026?
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August 7, 2017 11:27am
- Happychappy
  
  With the damage Turei has done and his weak kneed response to the public in throwing his weight in support of her I really can not see him being their after the election if his party are punished for this fraudulent act the way the most people expect.
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:44am
- cmm
  
  In many ways the whole mess with MeTu has shown up Shaw as being worse than she is.
  
  At least MeTu has shown some fight and tried to justified her criminal actions.
  
  Shaw has just bobbed along in the stream as if nothing is happening.
  
  As much as Greens need a new co-vagina, they need a co-penis even more.
  
  Based on the list it’s Garreth Hughes who makes even vacuous Cindy look like a heavyweight champ.
  
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  August 7, 2017 11:49am
  - simpleton1
    
    cmm, so correct as they dance on a pinhead.
    Shaw’s support, is also an indictment of Jacinda, as it shows that she still supports Turei, and her lies.
    Turei will still feel there is a chance of minister ship, beginning with assistant to minister, then minister outside of cabinet, in the not to far off future under Labour, NZ1
    A creeping camel, that has managed to keep its head inside a tent.
    Just what is Winston Peters really going to do about that, once a coalition is formed ?.
    Hold up a sign saying “NO”? force a snap election? “NO”? 😉 Once in he will accept all the problems and will just want time to roll in the trough to become PM
    
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    August 7, 2017 12:02pm
Jack5

Another victory for the trash of society, and probably a big payout from taxpayers to the lumpen proletariat.

In a weak moment, makes you think less ill of Duterte. How would he handle the Mongrel Mob?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899620
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August 7, 2017 11:49am
- Gabby
  
  Doodyturdy would hire them to take out his competition.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:45pm
Manolo

The endless joy of multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4766186/Immigrant-family-travel-ban-genitally-mutilate-daughter.html

An immigrant couple who police claim tried to take their newborn daughter overseas to be genitally mutilated have been banned from leaving Australia.

The couple, who were both born overseas and arrived in Australia separately 10 years ago, were slapped with a travel ban after NSW police recorded them discussing female circumcision, according to The Australian.
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August 7, 2017 12:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why are they leaving with a child with a family that intends to mutilate her? Pretty fucking clear grounds to remove her from the family permanently.
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:38pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Why is this an argument against allowing immigration?
  
  This child has been saved from a hideous ordeal in a way which would not have happened if her parents had not immigrated to Australia.
  
  Do you think she would have been better off if her parents had stayed where they were?
  
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  August 7, 2017 5:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s a strange argument, Albert Ross.
    
    Someone comes into your country and breaks the laws and codes of your country, and you turn it into a case of they would have committed the cruelty even if they hadn’t immigrated, so why shouldn’t they have immigrated to your country.
    
    Apply this argument to the Australian Muslims accused of trying to bring down an airliner. Your argument suggests it was fine for them to be in Australia because if they weren’t there they could have organised the atrocity from their home country any way.
    
    Albert, multiculturism is a failure and a time bomb for the West. As an ideology it is the failed dream of neo-Marxists. Its biggest danger is that it sows dragon’s teeth for a still-to-come revival of fascism or some other brutal nationalism.
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:53pm
Stars And Stripes

On my way downtown this morning passed a rundown old house with a Labour sign on the front lawn showing the old combo of Little and Ardern.
However underneath the sign were a litter of beer bottles and Cody’s boxes from a recent party and a skinny looking mongrel tethered to the support brackets.
Typical I thought or maybe the creatures who lived inside were just embracing the new slogan “Lets do this”.
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August 7, 2017 12:26pm
- Gabby
  
  You don’t visit your mum often enough.
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:26pm
Fletch

In case you missed it, the original stars of The Karate Kid will be back next year in a new 10-part series based on the movie called Cobra Kai. It picks up with an adult Daniel and Johnny where Johnny reopens the Cobra Kai dojo.

Sweep the leg!!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/karate-kid-youtube-series-ralph-macchio-william-zabka-offer-details-1026965
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August 7, 2017 1:01pm
sooty

“More cheek than a fat ladys bum” WO does have a way with words.
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August 7, 2017 1:03pm
- BassilFawlty
  
  But it looks like he has taken 2 stories from here and is selling them as his own opinion. See the times on both of these: https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/bit-wonkish-finally-act-delivers-sensible-policy/ at 11:30 am vs 10:00 am here, also https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/nasty-party-returns/ at 9:30 am and here at 7:00am. No tip of the hat to DPF, not much original thinking over there.
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:55pm
- Gabby
  
  Fatcambo has his way with other people’s words.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:43pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    What happened gobshite get your feefees hurt? Ass reamed at WOBH? Green text it for us, there’s a dear!
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:53pm
    - Gabby
      
      Who you squawkin at awwwk waawwwk?
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:25pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        More like you are another Kea clone matey.
        
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        August 7, 2017 7:55pm
      - Gabby
        
        More like you got twigs jammed in your vulva squaawwwkie.
        
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        August 7, 2017 8:16pm
howitis

In essence what Soundbite Cindy is suggesting is:
ALL people who buy petrol in Auckland will pay an extra 10c per litre on fuel for 10 years.
This includes Students, delivery vans, meals on wheels, the shuttle bus between Auckland and Greenlane hospital, volunteers, amateur sports coaches etc.

A tram (Pretend train ) will be built to further congest Dominion Rd (and possibly Queen Street/Ian McKinnon Drive). This will mainly service out of towners who can’t afford a taxi or Uber.

There is already the Skybus which is privately owned and requires ZERO public money.
It is a great service. It is not cheap. I doubt a Tram will be cheap on full cost. There is massive capital cost then forever after subsidy.
The Sydney express train to Central is AUD 18. It is a real train as well. Last time I caught the train in Brisbane 15 years ago it was AUD 10. No problem. Compared to the airfare or even departure taxes it is hardly relevant.

I use it as it is a few hundred metres walk to the bus terminal. Most users are backpackers or people from other parts of NZ. I even got one at 4.15am a few months back for a 7am flight. It is 24 hours. Auckland public transport is not.

A Tram a.k.a. light rail to the airport is single use. It will take up central Auckland real estate for a limited purpose.
The current Skybus is using existing resources and paying Road user charges.
A Tram will not service South, West, East or North Auckland. i.e. the very people who are paying for it.
The tram has a massive capital cost for single use and will be paid for by Aucklanders for out of towners and backpackers – the latter of whom don’t spend much anyway.

It will possibly put out of business a perfectly efficient privately owned flexible bus system.
Then again Labour are anti private enterprise and non union shops.
It is flexible because it currently goes alternately down Dominion Rd then Mt Eden Road. It can be expanded e.g. to use the Waterview tunnel or Newmarket and Manukau Road.
It reduces frequency in the early morning then increases to 10 minutes at peak operating times.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/78241489/auckland-airport-bus-operator-skybus-opening-queen-st-store
April 2016:
….. SkyBus is adding six new buses by the end of the year taking its fleet to 20.
The new owner of Auckland’s airport bus service is opening a store in the downtown area of the city, with plans to install flight check-in kiosks.
Five months ago Melbourne bus operator SkyBus bought what used to be Airbus Express – the bus service transporting travellers to and from Auckland International Airport to the CBD.
After taking over the business and its fleet of 15 buses, SkyBus refurbished existing vehicles, introduced new ones, installed free wifi and introduced a new ticketing app allowing passengers to purchase tickets and board using their mobile device.
Frequency increased too, with buses departing every 10 minutes at peak times. SkyBus director Michael Sewards said the company, which is majority owned by a Canadian pension fund, had already spent more than $10 million on improvements. “What we looked to do from day one was really ramp up the customer experience,” Sewards said.
By the end of the year a further $8.8m will be spent. ….

Now of course the raging red marxists at ‘Transport Blog’ have bagged it.
The (BS) artists now known as ‘Greater Auckland’ are vehemently against private enterprise
They try to imagine problems and tell actual lies in their blog.
https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2015/11/02/airbus-express-becomes-skybus/
I suggest you don’t actually read their crap but they allow comments that show some real world balance.

The Tram being sold as light rail is a luddite proposal with so many downsides and virtually no upside but hey its Red Labour.
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August 7, 2017 1:12pm
- Paulus
  
  I have been on the Sydney train and it is quite good.
  But I believe you will find that it is losing big bucket loads of money every year.
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:43pm
  - UpandComer
    
    They don’t know how much. They said the government would spend $3.3billion. But $1.36billion of that is already set for CBD – Mt Roskill light rail.
    
    So apparently the govt will be spending $1.94billion on 5 other projects, 3 of which are light rail projects equivalent or larger/more complex then CBD – Mt Roskill.
    
    They don’t know what they’re going to spend on it.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:34pm
- mandk
  
  I have used Skybus a few times and have found it a pretty good service. Reasonably priced, too.
  
  Your second link indicates that LRT would be only 2-4 minutes quicker than the bus. And the Red/Green numpties want to spend how much on their nutty scheme?
  
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  August 7, 2017 2:38pm
  - howitis
    
    The current Skybus is private enterprise so costs nothing to the ratepayer. The bus pays RUC so pays toward the roading every Km.
    
    I understand AT had the original Airbus and sold it to the Melbourne Coy – owned by the Canadian Pension Fund- in 2015. I guess they are doing better than the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan who lost big on the Yellow Pages fiasco.
    The Red Rabid commies are so opposed to any ownership outside the Party.
    
    It provides one option among many – private transport; taxi; rental car; Uber ; Hotel shuttle.
    Trams are an imaginary friend to a problem that does not exist.
    
    A local rail spur makes more sense at under $100 mill and multi purpose.
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Dominion Road is single lane each way. So how will the Trams and cars fit?
  Look, just extend the Onehunga line to the airport an then to connect at Manukau City and then onto Papakura. People can then go round the link to get to the Airport. Also , finally put the train out to the East and fuck all the NIMBYs who don’t want it going through Meadowbank etc.
  And put in xtra tracks, two ain’t enough to allow Express Services.
  
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  August 7, 2017 5:36pm
  - chris
    
    Agree with everything you say but the Meadowbank bit. It already goes through Meadowbank. They need to extend it to Howick via the very wide Pakuranga highway.
    
    Light rail along Dom Rd has to be the dumbest idea ever. Especially when rail already goes to Onehunga, and I believe when they added to the bridge made the Piers strong enough to build rail on.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:48pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Rail also goes to Puhunui, what’s wrong with a short spur line from there to the airport?
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:27pm
      - chris
        
        That plus the Onehunga link and you have sorts of excellent connections. But oh no, we need light rail up Dom Rd, for some completely inconceivable reason.
        
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        August 7, 2017 7:48pm
      - GazzaW
        
        The Dominion Road light rail (read trams) ‘concept’ was introduced by the then absentee MP for Roskill, Phil Goff. The resulting downstream disaster won’t affect Goff, gentleman farmer from Clevedon.
        
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        August 7, 2017 11:03pm
mandk

Q. What do the young people of Gaza want to do?

A. Get out from under the heel of Hamas and find a job in Tel Aviv

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/95517937/trapped-between-israel-and-hamas-gazas-wasted-generation-is-going-nowhere
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August 7, 2017 1:34pm
- simpleton1
  
  At the moment there seems to be an industry of digging tunnels, and fast flying machines, carrying interesting payloads.
  If only that creative work effort did not cause so many problems, and Hamas accepted Israel.
  
  There would be many more jobs right there in Gaza, using material correctly as intended.
  There are lovely beaches in Gaza.
  Tourists would enjoy, if they would feel safe.
  The fisherman could go out and fish.
  If the citizens of Tel Aviv would feel safe, then extra workers would be probably be welcomed.
  
  It is all until…..
  
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  August 7, 2017 1:57pm
- Gabby
  
  Israel could smash Hamas if they weren’t so useful.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:39pm
sooty

Come election and the Greens are part of the future goverment, where would the fat frog sit. Not the minister in charge of welfare and bennys, so not in the front row? But will James Shaw get to sit in the front? What happens if James Shaw has a higher list position in the coilition than the fat frog? Does he become the leader of the Greens? Oh, there is lots of questions to be answered by Jacinda to come before the election. Truck loads of popcorn.
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August 7, 2017 4:07pm
holysheet

“Soundbite Cindy”
Now that makes sense, she certainly has the gob. Pity nothing of value ever come out.
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August 7, 2017 4:10pm
Peter

Great news for Wellingtonians:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/95117412/wellington-will-get-hotter-and-wetter-but-the-wairarapa-will-get-more-droughts

“Wellington could become as hot as Sydney unless action is taken on climate change”

So……lets not take any action! Wellington weather could use a hand up.
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August 7, 2017 5:00pm
realityczech

Arden has already started re-releasing tired old Labour policies of unaffordable vote buying in order to get hold of power, so they can do the things that really matter to Labour’s elite. Punishing white straight males.
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August 7, 2017 5:42pm
dad4justice

Has Winston got those 450 text messages?
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August 7, 2017 6:06pm
- Happychappy
  
  Who cares D4J knowing Peters it will be a bluff and hes fed Gower because he knows the idiot will do his dirty work.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:17pm
- stigie
  
  Go with Winston Dad and get Labour and the dirty stinking Greens. What a combo.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:39pm
slightlyrighty

I see 2 Green MP’s have threatened to resign if Turei doesn’t. Good to see some with a spine, those being David Clendon and Kennedy Graham.
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August 7, 2017 6:23pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Not threatened. The Greens have accepted their resignations.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:41pm
Viking2

Not threatened but have resigned. According to Garner.
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August 7, 2017 6:24pm
Inandout

Two Green MPs have resigned and the thief remains. Jacinda at work here – perhaps not as she wouldn’t have the intelligence.
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August 7, 2017 6:25pm
cmm

Two Green MPs threaten to resign: Kennedy Graham and David Clendon.

Empty virtue signaling on the part of Clendon. He’d been bumped so far down the list he’s unlikely to make the cut anyway.

For Greens to regain any credibility they need most of the top ten to do this.
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August 7, 2017 6:25pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Clendon is the Greens Justice spokesman. My respect for him has multiplied.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:29pm
  - David Garrett
    
    KS: Quite so…I never thought I would see the day when, as I have just done, I sent two Green MP’s e-mails saying “Well done”…I had little time for either of them before today – I have considerable respect for them now, regardless of the spin the Green’s are putting on it. (Low list placings; that they were useless anyway…)
    
    Turei’s position has been untenable since the moment she admitted to lying to receive extra benefit money…and if there was any doubt at all, it was utterly removed when it emerged that she had been registered as living at the father of her child’s address, and therefore arguably not entitled to the DPB at all. I don’t believe her claim for a moment that she was only registered as living there “so I could vote for a mate”…She was herself standing as a candidate in the same election FFS!
    
    Congratulations to Clendon and Graham…a little late, but a principled decision nonetheless…and at least in Clendon’s case, he is most unlikely to ever earn what he has as an MP, so it is a decision that can’t have been easy.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:12pm
    - Interested
      
      If MeTu hadn’t done enough damage James Shaw endorsement finished them off. #resignfraudster
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:58pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The Green Party is spinning it that the two of them were not campaigning anyway and have not put in their time on thephones – as if to say “Good riddance”.
  Talk about eating themselves from the inside.
  It just gets better.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:43pm
  - chris
    
    Boy, they really turn on their own, don’t they?!
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:50pm
Keeping Stock

Wow; massive respect to Kennedy Graham and David Clendon who have just quit as Green MP’s. They threatened to resign if Metiria Turei did not stand down as co-leader, and she refused.

Is this going to be a fatal blow to the Greens? One thing is for sure; the activist/socialist/anarchist/feminist wing has captured the Greens.
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August 7, 2017 6:27pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Independent Greens to supply confidence to National?
  That’s my first thought.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Well only up until the elections.
    
    If they are list MPs then they won’t be coming into parliament after the elections.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:40pm
  - howitis
    
    I hypothesised 2 weeks ago that Shaw would let things ride to the election then after 23 Sept form a Green/non rabid commie grouping of 5 to 7 people that could then sell themselves as a block to the Nats. This could solve a host of issues.
    New Green or Green 2000 along the lines of New Labour.
    
    The way Shaw has played his hand in the last few days he is on the rabid ‘poor people/lets all have a sook /gimme more’ side.
    I guess I was w.. wr.. wro… well not quite right. Ok
    
    This will affect the gender balance even more although Clendon may not have made it anyway.
    I think they lose 3 months salary paid to exiting MPs that lose in the election. This applies to electorate MPs. I’m not sure about list. So if they are not available then no salary after 23 Sept I guess.
    Kennedy Gollan Montrose Graham, now in his seventies, will (should!) not need the money.
    
    They kept it out of the 6 pm news but it will get hours of airing on the brekky shows.
    At least things are happening.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:01pm
- nasska
  
  Hats off to them for their integrity. Turei’s actions always threatened to divide the Greens. There’s about a 50/50 split in support between the tree huggers & the social engineers.
  
  She will be a hero to the latter & a dead albatross around the necks of the former.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:34pm
- Peter
  
  Going to TOP?
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:35pm
- UpandComer
  
  What happens now that they’ve resigned? Do they stay in Parliament as independents?
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:35pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I guess they follow the lead of Brendan Horan when Peters arbitrarily sacked him from Winston First. With Parliament due to be dissolved at the end of next week’s sittings, it seems pointless to replace them, and the Greens have no power to shift them if they decide to stay.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:46pm
    - David Garrett
      
      KS: No, that’s correct…I suppose they are technically independents – if they wish to be – for two more weeks, or whenever it is until parliament rises for the election.
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:16pm
- cmm
  
  It they’d done this a week ago they would have had my respect.
  
  That would have shown that they cared about this without worrying about the backsplatter.
  
  To hold out this long, sorry, none. They’ve waited this long and are now only responding after they see which way the wind is blowing.
  
  Principled people do not need to have to wait for external cues. They act on internal cues.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:37pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    They were probably waiting for Metiria to do the right thing….
    
    ….
    
    …
    
    ..
    
    .
    
    still waiting……
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:42pm
    - cmm
      
      I refuse to believe they are that stupid.
      
      Even if MeTu resigns now, it is not “doing the right thing”.
      
      “Doing the right thing” would have been resigning two weeks ago (or however long it has been now).
      
      And for Shaw, “Doing the right thing” would have been giving MeTu an ultimatum to resign within 20 minutes of this shitstorm starting. Before the fall-out started.
      
      It is now way too late for anyone in Greens to claim they’re “doing the right thing”.
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:48pm
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: I think that is perhaps a little harsh…the most damning revelation – that she was almost certainly living with the father in 1993 and thus not entitled to receive the DPB at all – only emerged last week…and these guys are both – particularly Mr Clendon – almost certainly walking away from the largest salary they will ever obtain. Graham is well over 60, and Clendon does not have a profession to return to.
    
    Perhaps they could have done it earlier, but I give them credit for doing it now. Better late than never as they say.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:20pm
- Peter
  
  Respect to Kennedy and David.
  
  Where are the sisters, then? Only (some) white males show integrity?
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:37pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The sisters will all be part of the #IStandWithMetiria mob.
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:47pm
    - Peter
      
      They will be judged by their actions. Or inaction, as the case appears to be.
      
      My, the sanctimonious have such a long way to fall.
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:35pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Resignations accepted
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:56pm
Happychappy

I just heard the mouth of three make another of his idiot claims. Paddy Gower just made a statement that David Clendon on the Green MP that once made a statement that Homeopathic Medicines can cure Ebola is one of two Green MP’s to resign in protest against Turei not resigning and also called him a highly respected member of the Greens. The other member is Kennedy Graham who is respected.
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August 7, 2017 6:28pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  No; the homeopathic zealot is Steffan Browning. I think he’s going at the end of this term.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:30pm
- Happychappy
  
  I apologize as it was Stephen Browning that made the statement on Ebola not David Clendon.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:44pm
  - RalphT
    
    But in all fairness it can at times be hard to tell one looney Green from another.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:27pm
UpandComer

Is James ‘Metiria’ Shaw the last man in the Greens?
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August 7, 2017 6:36pm
- cmm
  
  Shaw is not looking much like a man.
  
  Is Gareth Hughes a man?
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:39pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Bearded lady in the circus
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:45pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Molly Hawk has been very quiet lately.
      
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      August 7, 2017 6:51pm
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Gareth Hughes is what he looks like: a boy trying to do a man’s errand…and he is responsible for the biggest lie ever delivered in a maiden speech: that the horrible honkey “took sovereignty at the point of a gun” in 1840…All 1500 pakeha managed such a feat against 100,000 well tooled up Maori.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:24pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      More like 50,000 DG
      By 1840Maori had already slaughtered the other 50,000 in brutal inter tribal warfare .
      
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      August 7, 2017 7:34pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Griff: Could be…either way the claim that 1500 settlers and what Darwin described as “the refuse of England” could have forced the Treaty on the Maori is simply ludicrous…what makes it much worse is Hughes claims to have a (New Zealand) history degree…so he KNOWS what he said was crap…
        
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        August 7, 2017 7:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        DG, Darwin visited in 1835, and the “refuse” he was talking about were gun runners, rum runners, buyers of tattooed heads – sometimes selected and chopped off to order, sealers, whalers, near-pirates, convict runaways from Australia, adventurers, and hideout seekers of all types at Russell, then regarded by many as the hell hole of the Pacific.
        
        The missionaries he praised helped persuade the British to colonise New Zealand.
        
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        August 7, 2017 8:54pm
    - cmm
      
      Well Hughes is the next penis on the list after Shaw.
      
      Donald would be poking his own eyes out with a sharp stick.
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:04pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Cmm:
        
        Hughes is the next penis on the list
        
        For a second – just a split second – I thought you were referring to Darren Hughes!
        
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        August 7, 2017 8:20pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Queen of the Koru Lounge.
    
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    August 7, 2017 11:14pm
- Peter
  
  Shaw roped himself to the anchor. Wasn’t that a brilliant move.
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:43pm
sooty

Resign fat frog resign.
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August 7, 2017 6:41pm
- stigie
  
  No….Keep her there for fuck sake !~
  
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  August 7, 2017 6:43pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    As long as Stuff keeps opening comments on the articles, leave her there. The rage in the comments is palpable. Though I think the churnalists will realise it’s damaging the left brand soon enough
    
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    August 7, 2017 6:58pm
UpandComer

Metiria shouldn’t resign. She has at least showed balls and told every-one else to go fuck themselves. Now she’s in it until the bitter end. You know what, I kind of admire that. Metiria, don’t resign. Let the others resign. You are the voice of the down-trodden.
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August 7, 2017 6:56pm
- chris
  
  It was quite interesting this morning listening to 2 women on my street in Remuera talk about Metiria Turei.
  
  One of them (who is a lawyer) was quite adamant that Metiria had done a crap thing (and she talked about how MeTu probably did live with the father and had a mother for a “flatmate”), and the other one quite literally said it didn’t bother her. How can it not bother you? She was fleecing you, the taxpayer.
  
  I had to laugh how apparently they both know lots of single mums, so they know it’s hard to get by as one.
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:28pm
waikatogirl

I thought one of the greens may have tried to roll Me Tu for the co-leadership before the election. Guess when Shaw is so committed to her Me Tu still holds enough cards. Me Tu is obviously light on her feet to be able to out manouver possible competition, but perhaps any green with the balls to challenge can have a Morris Dance-off competition for the co-leadership. ????
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August 7, 2017 6:57pm
- David Garrett
  
  Waikato: That’s a third of their caucus gone isn’t it? Mad Cath is resigning, so Clendon and Graham makes three…So left are Shaw, the deaf woman, the American, and…who? I know there are others, but I can’t name them, and I’m a political geek…the rest of the country won’t have a clue…
  
  As Rodney said a week or so ago, what was looking to be a pretty boring election just got interesting…and that was before this!
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:32pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Damn you girl. Light on her feet?
  This is what came to mind
  
  I think its apt.
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:47pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I would even go so far to say if National (bought the rights) and ran this as their election ad, they would be the first party under MMP to win an outright majority.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The hippo does resemble the same shape of the green frog.
    I do hope that doesn’t give you nightmares ABS.
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:17pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      The next part where the toothy crocodiles come in is telling. I was going to post that too 😉
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:20pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Ahhh screw it I will anyway.
      
      Jacinda woos Metiria
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:24pm
Shawn Herles

Well, this election is turning out to be entertaining at least. Talk about a dramatic two weeks!

The question is what effect this will all have in the minds of the voters. The as yet unproven “Jacinda effect” aside, the Left are not looking at all stable and ready for government. I can barely wait for the next set of polls. More popcorn please! 🙂
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August 7, 2017 7:09pm
wiseowl

Everyone needs to keep the pressure on.
In the end the only solution for the Greens is to get rid of Me Tu.
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August 7, 2017 7:31pm
- David Garrett
  
  wiseowl: No No NO!! She is doing our side much more good every day she stays clinging on, as more and more revelations trickle out…Now that the Party has slagged them both off – lazy and not doing any campaigning – stand by for Graham and Clendon to leak whatever else they know…and there’s bound to be more…
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:51pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I’m with Garrett. Death by a thousand cunts.
    
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    August 7, 2017 7:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      ? lol, there might need to be more than two of you.
      
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      August 7, 2017 8:16pm
niggly

I wonder if Graham and Clendon know more about Turei’s situation than is in the public domain, and took a principled stand hoping Turei would stand down herself before things get worse for the Party (eg if anything further damning comes to light)?

(But they then lost out when the Green Party accepted their resignations and rubbed it in further by announcing the next people on the list will now step up).

It’s a shame every remaining MP’s in the Green Party – every single one of them – do not have principles, including the new wannabe MP’s Holt, Golriz and Swarbrick. Not only despicable but they will be forever tainted.

Unlike the honorable Kennedy Graham and David Clendon, who now have a clear conscious …
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August 7, 2017 7:33pm
- sam green
  
  Did Kennedy leave his family when Doug stole millions?
  
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  August 7, 2017 10:18pm
  - Nookin
    
    Doug “stole” millions, did he Sam? You must have access to reports to which no-one else has ever heard of. Perhaps you could share them with us?
    
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    August 7, 2017 10:23pm
David Garrett

Colville: Quite so…and as I said above, Clendon at least will never ever get the kind of salary he has earned for the past nine years…Graham might be able to get a gig boring students at one of the lesser unis..
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August 7, 2017 7:40pm
- marcw
  
  If Graham and Palmer were marketed in a video debate, shit they would set the Prozac market on it’s head and create a sedative pharmaceutical profit record never before seen in history.
  
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  August 7, 2017 7:59pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  You’re still waiting to be asked for comment then?
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:14pm
SteveRemmington

#IAmKennedyGraham
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August 7, 2017 7:46pm
- sam green
  
  Good luck with that.
  
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  August 7, 2017 9:55pm
chris

I’ve always felt that Metiria Turei was the actual leader of the Greens – spare me this co-leader nonsense – and that James Shaw was just “Mr Invisible with a penis”. He may have a penis, but he has no balls. Co-leader indeed.
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August 7, 2017 7:53pm
chris

From https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95542553/two-green-mps-threaten-to-quit-over-metiria-turei

“The Green Party is fortunate to have high calibre and energetic candidates on the party list, who are campaigning hard for the party, … including Hayley Holt”

Hahahahah hahahah hahah ha.

Hahaha.

Ha.
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August 7, 2017 7:56pm
- David Garrett
  
  Chris: Yes, that’s all very well…but some woman in their heirarchy had already come out slagging Messrs Clendon and Graham off…so it’s a bit late now for “We wish David and Kennedy all the best”…
  
  Next shot will be them leaking something that thus far only their caucus and trusted inner circle knows about Ms Turei and her doings in 1993…
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:05pm
  - chris
    
    My hah hahing was about the calibre of Ms Holt ?
    
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    August 7, 2017 8:11pm
Newbie

Who exactly accepted the resignations?
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August 7, 2017 8:15pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  MeTu and HeTwo
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:18pm
Nostradamus

Here’s an idea: Bizarre budget airline advert featuring NAKED air hostesses to promote bargain deals sparks ‘sexist’ claims

A travel company’s outlandish advert featuring nude air hostesses has gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Kazakhstan’s Chocotravel released a video promoting their budget flight services, which adds nothing to the price of a plane ticket.

I wonder what kind of “budget flight services” (which add nothing to the price of a plane ticket) they have in mind!
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August 7, 2017 8:37pm
- nasska
  
  I can’t for the life of me see what the critics are banging on about.
  
  I’m not in the least bit offended. 🙂
  
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  August 7, 2017 8:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    There could be a market for a Chocotravel “mile-high club”. With a bit of business creativity, they could create a priority queue for frequent flyers. Beats sitting around in the Koru Club lounge doing nothing!
    
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    August 7, 2017 9:01pm
    - nasska
      
      Mercifully, it’s been a long time since I was last in the air Nostra but your idea has merit.
      
      Though it might need an up grade in air hostesses. The ones I recall were pretty grim. 🙂
      
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      August 7, 2017 9:27pm
stigie

To be offended you have to give a shit !~
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August 7, 2017 9:02pm
sam green

Has dad4 been in?
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August 7, 2017 9:31pm
nasska

He’s off line having a wank Sam.

Can I take a message? 🙂
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August 7, 2017 9:34pm
- sam green
  
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