General Debate 2 August 2017

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Captain Mainwaring

Paddy the gnome was wetting his pants with excitement over Jacinda’s elevation and Bill English was remarkably candid about the new Labour leader having the potential to unseat his Government.
We all know where Paddy’s loyalties lie and English is deliberately using this as an excuse to scare the Nats and potential Nats off the couch on Sept. 23 to protect the country from a dysfunctional coalition of the losers.
The more interesting thing was that the drunken dwarf didn’t want to talk about it and came across as very grumpy about what had happened.
The reason is clear. He can see all the votes which have flooded away from Labour to NZF in recent months are going to come back. As they also will from the Greens.
The likely scenario is the Nats staying pretty much around 47% and the left shuffling around so that Labour might get back up to 30% with the Greens and NZF on about 7% each.
But the big question is: Will someone in the media be prepared to ask Jacinda whether she would have a benefit fraudster in her cabinet? If the media doesn’t ask it, English has to. The answer to this question could get the Nats up to the magic 50%.
Repeat after me: TWO TICKS BLUE.
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August 2, 2017 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  Yes, master, two ticks blue.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:06am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:11am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:11am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Especially in Epsom.
    
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    August 2, 2017 10:18am
- oldgolfer
  
  Aye aye, Captain
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:16am
- Notsofast
  
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  Sometimes the enduring stats kick in. Bill is once a loser, now to be twice a loser. Thank the good lord this wicked smug conservative catholic is being kicked out of the ball park. A massive day in NZ history.
  Saved from having to leave to escape this wretched pillock.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    marquess has gone (is she really Jacinda?) and Notsofast has taken over.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:30am
    - chris
      
      Marquess is a man, and is not Jacinda
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:46am
    - softail 1450
      
      I’m a national supporter but if you think their policy isn’t being guided by Bill English and his catholic leanings you should probably change your support to the greens because that’s how stupid you would be.
      
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      August 3, 2017 7:20am
  - dime
    
    “Thank the good lord this wicked smug conservative catholic ”
    
    shame he isnt muslim eh? id love to hear a leftie get stuck into them.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:51am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    What have you got against Catholics Notsofast?
    
    Disclosure: I’m a Presbyterian 😀
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:52am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I was a Zoroastrian in the last census and a Druid in the previous one. You’ve got to spread it round!
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:42am
    - Notsofast
      
      Bill is the nadir of the breed. I forgot what I wrote but pretty pleased with the voting, it shows how many KB self deliveries to anticipate.
      
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      August 2, 2017 12:53pm
- Kimbo
  
  Two problems with your scenario:
  
  Paddy Gower, for all his faults, is an equal-opportunities muck-raker, who will shout “dirt deals”, “carnage” and “blood on the floor” no matter who it is.
  
  National are not a shoe-in at 47%. If that drops just 1% it starts to get difficult, another 2 or 3% and they must have Winston Peters on board. Yet again, Ardern is young, untried, so if Peters demands the Prime Ministership in a NZ First-Labour-Green coalition for at least the first year while she “learns the ropes of cabinet”, what can National offer to beat that?
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:58am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Adern has ruled out Winston being PM. Plus the whole “Winston just wants to be PM” thing is a media creation. If anything Adern taking over makes a Nat/NZF coalition more likely, not less.
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      Ah! So that explains why Peters was so pissed off and grumpy with the media yesterday. Last boat just sailed without him on it.
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:38am
      - rangitoto
        
        Also because it has wiped his Barclay attack from the news.
        
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        August 2, 2017 12:14pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  National doing nothing to bring back support
  It’s good that the Nats are awake to the increased likelihood of ‘my little Pony’ bringing Labour up to a fractionally more competitive level.
  
  However, what is sad that they are still so wedded to their ‘Labour Lite’ approach. Surely, the rational thing to do if you see your support drifting away a bit is to fix the drift not scaremonger! Their Labour Lite approach is the problem – if they return to a more centre right approach they could bring back the disenfranchised and starve the protest vote that currently is inexorably heading to Winston.
  
  But English’s strength as MoF was his stolidity and his lack of imagination – he was a fantastic balancing effect against Key and Joyce’s sporadic imaginative flakiness. But as a leadership quality it’s not good to be utterly devoid of any creativity or imagination.
  
  Two blue tickers not good at maths
  BTW for those advocating party vote National. How do you feel about your party vote being worth less than one third of a party vote being cast for NZF or for the Greens? It took nearly 60k party votes per National List seat, cf 18k party votes per NZF seat last time around.
  
  If you really want more of the same, then you are daft to party vote National, you can get three times the impact for voting for ~~Labour Lite 2~~ ACT to bolster the current Centre Left coalition. You could also achieve the same if you were to party vote Maori Party – and you could do your bit to continue the extension of racist policy into every facet of NZ life.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:52am
duggledog

Good discussion on Radio Live about Jacinda Ardern this morning.

According to Matthew Hooten, she only needs to scoop up one in nine National voters, and the odd NZF voter to get over the line. Chris Trotter said she could conceivably get 10% points.

For Ardern to achieve the above, she has to become more centrist. That’s clear.

Becoming more ‘centrist’ is going to force her into addressing (among other things) the critical, black & white Turei welfare fraud issue. It hasn’t gone away I’m afraid.

Ardern has to lance this ugly, festering boil before the election, like by Monday, or she will find herself in a power of shit, especially during the debates. If she wants to emulate her hero Helen Clark, then she’s going to have to grow a massive pair and deal.

Ardern must either –

A: Insist Turei step down or recalibrate her extreme left position (she won’t; this is how the Greens define themselves now), or
B: Go along for the Marxist ride.

It’s a lose / lose situation.
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August 2, 2017 8:02am
- redeye
  
  It’s hard to see her moving them back to the centre. In early 2008 she was elected as the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.
  
  On the understanding that if you’re not left wing when you’re 20 you have no heart, and if your still left wing when you turn 30 you have no brains, it needs to be remembered that she was 30 in 2008.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:16am
  - Simon
    
    Clark would bury Turay in a second.
    
    Labo were stitched up by the MOU with the greens. Turay knew she was going to run as a fraudster when MOU signed thus binding Labo to the fraud.
    
    MOU a corrupt land grab of the left dead ender vote by the greens.
    
    If Arden buries Turay as she should she has a shot a being PM in the future. If she goes along with the corruption Labo are finished and might as well hand everything over to the greens now.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:28am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well let’s hope that Clark is advising, I guess we shall see.
      
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      August 2, 2017 11:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    in her acceptance speech for that position she used the word “comrades “a couple of dozen times,she’s perfect for the labour leadership……..
    
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    August 3, 2017 7:26am
- Shawn Herles
  
  “Becoming more ‘centrist’ is going to force her into addressing (among other things) the critical, black & white Turei welfare fraud issue. ”
  
  She already has. And for most voters it’s not a critical issue. They may personally disapprove strongly, but it’s not going to be a critical election issue.
  
  And it’s already clear that Adern is not going to move more towards the centre. Safe and not scary was not working for Little. Her announcement today makes it clear she is going to ramp up spending on housing, health and education.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:37am
Paulus Gnome

The good thing about the ascension of our Jacinda to Saint Hood within twenty-four hours, she has managed to get Todd Barclay off as the lead item on Rabid Red.

Arise St Jacinda, patron saint of chippy’s and chicken salt everywhere!
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August 2, 2017 8:03am
- Tarquin North
  
  Fastest beatification since saint David of Fonterra blazed across our electoral sky.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:42am
- adamsmith1922
  
  I would prefer to think of her, if at all, as raidly burning up comet in the final stages of burning out completely
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The sparkler in the Children’s Bumper Box of Fireworks!
    
    A brief blaze of light to great adoration to become garden rubbish in the next instant.
    
    Unlike our Winston! The most expensive item in the box as the Catherine Wheel that spins around and around with great noise flicking shit in all directions before fading and dying in flames on the stick that is NZF
    
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    August 2, 2017 10:25am
Inandout

Trotter is gushing about Jacinda bringing a ‘fresh face’ to Labour, and he says she is clean and has no baggage. Really, in this online age when any secrets will eventually be outed?
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August 2, 2017 8:03am
- thedavincimode
  
  Trotter is correct in saying she has no baggage. In fact, she doesn’t really have anything.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:26am
  - KevOB
    
    No baggage? Whats this?
    President of the International Union of Socialist Youth
    
    She and the mad Greed Turei probably dormed together.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:59am
- pdm
  
  How can Trotter be 100% certain that there were never any complaints about the way she salted or wrapped the Fish and Chips.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:34am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Are you implying she was a party to (a)salt and battery?
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:56am
    - pdm
      
      Very good Daf…..
      
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      August 2, 2017 11:55am
  - RF
    
    The ultimate test is how she holds the sausage whilst dipping it into the batter.
    
    I am told there is secret handed down over the ages from mothers to daughters,
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:14am
JasonJohns

Another day, another big win for Trump. The lamestream media think they have something because Trump helped his son write a statement that wasn’t ‘true’. But Trump is playing 5 D chess and is way ahead of the rest. Five moves, at least. Likely he leaked the fact that he authored this letter to show that he is not afraid of the inquisition and to show what a great family man he is. Also what’s wrong with ‘colluding’ with Putin, the ruler of a great white nation and an opponent of PC and liberalism? Nothing most patriots will say. Trump is once again setting the media and his opponents up for a fall. He is a master. He has made no mistakes so far in the WH. Every day…a new win. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/01/trump-russia-statement-richard-painter-obstruction-justice
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August 2, 2017 8:07am
- SGA
  
  My goodness, this is Poe’s Law on steroids. Well done, that man!
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:12am
- thedavincimode
  
  You might be Trumpy’s new Chief of Staff by the end of next week at this rate.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:30am
  - SGA
    
    And out of that job a week later 🙂
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:35am
- mikenmild
  
  As a US journalist tweeted:
  
  I miss my dad and the way he used to sit me down and help me with my treason
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:36am
tvb

She is just not ready to be Prime Minister. There is nothing in her background to date on how she will handle the sorts is things a Prime Minister does. The big stuff like war with North Korea, a full blown economic crisis when the money runs out, a major disaster, dealing with Trump. There is certainly nothing larger than life about her. She is a small attractive person for a very small attractive country. Trump will put his hand on her knee and she will cringe.
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August 2, 2017 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  Where will President Xi put his hand?
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:16am
- oldgolfer
  
  Cindy is a grinning political pamphlet, spouting catchphrases and back-of-the-packet ideology.
  When the going gets tough in debates, she will be found wanting. Wait for her to promise much and have a great deal of trouble explain how it is going to be paid for. All the grins and shiny teeth won’t save her from her own lack of real-world experience.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:22am
  - OTGO
    
    Agreed oldgolfer. I’ve named her Soundbite Cindy.
    
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    August 2, 2017 10:02am
- SGA
  
  tvb
  
  There is nothing in her background to date on how she will handle the sorts is things a Prime Minister does. The big stuff like war with North Korea
  
  I’m not sure if any of the party leaders have the background for that particular scenario 🙂 🙂
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:49am
  - Gabby
    
    It would be well outside Bingles’ area of responsibility.
    
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    August 2, 2017 12:50pm
- adamsmith1922
  
  small yes, but I do not find her at all attractive, further the long hair makes it very difficult to take her seriously
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:54am
duggledog

Captain Mainwaring

Don’t forget that Winston Peters is perpetually grumpy with the media. It’s not necessarily that he’s pissed off about the toothy sheila.

He has been anti media since way back; long before Trump cottoned on to the benefits of media bashing – remember the MSM are fair game, being seen in average punters’ eyes as being among the lowest of the low.

Peters’ MO is to be rude and obnoxious to Gower et al, it’s a game. Works with Joe Average.
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August 2, 2017 8:10am
- Paulus
  
  Winston needs to buy a new Labour Red jacket, like Cindy.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:38am
oldpark

Lest we forget,lets keep our feet on the ground. Even if Kim Kardashian was installed as the new Lie-bour/Green Party Leader what would change.
Remember a vote for Lie-bour,is in fact a vote for the self confessed benefit thief, crooked Metiria Turie,who is the leader of the now tainted corrupt Green Party.
Also a vote for Liebour/Greens helps them gouge hard working NZs out of their income, to support a bunch of do nothings,to the tune of Forty Cents top tax rate. Time to come out of the starry eyed gaze on the so called new leader from Labour,and remember,that Lie-bour Green policies have not changed,just recycled.
A vote for the new face,is still a vote for Green Party potential to rip off hard working NZs ,as confirmed by crooked Metiria.
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August 2, 2017 8:14am
- Happychappy
  
  This could be worth watching because the Green are all for recycling and after the success of removing Little they have tasted blood and a mood swing which also means that fraud is ok and those that need to do it are allowed. So Jacinta has a problem that must be dealt with first and that is to put the Greens back to where they were before or the Labour Party will continue a Green Policy of recycling their Leadership.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:36am
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August 2, 2017 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The son of Hugh; too much, too early and too often . . . . . .
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:18am
  - G152
    
    If he could only find some way to attract attention?
    Like, just maybe, type everything in CAPs to gain some notice from the readers /sarc off
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Damn!
  I suddenly went deaf at 8:15 and now I can’t hear a thing!
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:19am
- thedavincimode
  
  PARDON?
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:29am
  - RalphT
    
    HE SAID… oh never mind.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:33am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Please take your meds and go and calm down
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:55am
- lofty
  
  Eh!
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:25pm
waikatogirl

Mark on TV3 asked what if Jacindar gets pregnant and there has been a poll on whether it is an appropriate question?

Of course it is. Before we vote are we not entitled to know as Jacindar is going for the top job as PM. Would Kelvin be taking over if she was to have a baby. How would she cope with the job and all that comes with a small baby.
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August 2, 2017 8:16am
- BananaLlama
  
  I hope she has has heaps of kids and continues to work like our Grandmothers use to. No need for mass immigration if NZ women followed her lead and she will be the only female leader in the western world who isn’t a barren hag.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’m all for Jacindar having a baby or several, a whole rugby team. The point was there are those who say she is not to even be asked the question because she is a woman. I agree that it is a personal question and in a perfect world nobody should be asked, but Jacindar is putting herself up for the PM’s position.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:27am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Sure i think it will create blowback is all.
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:04am
      - waikatogirl
        
        You are probably right. The poll came back with 63% against asking the question. ?
        Nobody rock the boat, they have Jacindar as their perfect leader, all promises and p0sitivity.
        
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        August 2, 2017 9:14am
  - BeaB
    
    She actually brought up the subject herself in several interviews where she protested at length that she had no designs on Little’s job because she wanted to have a baby in the next year or so. I think it is fair enough to ask about it as she herself said that was what she was planning.
    I do hope we are not going to get a ton of precious feminist crap for the next few weeks. Women should be well past that.
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:08am
    - SGA
      
      I think it is fair enough to ask about it as she herself said that was what she was planning.
      
      From the little I’ve seen, Ardern herself has taken a similar stance, no?
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:46am
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “I do hope we are not going to get a ton of precious feminist crap for the next few weeks.”
      
      We are.
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:48am
- doggone7
  
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  She can have as many kids as she wants when she wants. Hopefully if she senses she has one inside her with the characteristics of Mark Richardson she will have an abortion.
  
  For any who consider the comment obnoxious, we’re talking Mark Richardson here.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No doggone, just no. That’s way beyond the pale.
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:40am
- cmm
  
  Fair question…
  
  Nobody asked Merkel because she became chancellor at 51.
  
  Maggie Thatcher started at 52 and already had all her kids.
  
  Helen who was 49 when she took up as PM and clearly was not a baby-maker.
  
  Jacinda’s a woman of child bearing age and at 37 her clock is ticking at double speed. Three years and she’s 40 – pushing the boundaries for a first kid.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:05am
  - cmm
    
    I still don’t understand the problem with asking this question.
    
    In her puff-piece in Herald last year she said she wanted kids but could not do that while being PM or leader:
    
    “And if they [voters] don’t [get excited about Little], the next leader won’t be her. She doesn’t want to work the ridiculous hours, she doesn’t want the acute spotlight of media scrutiny and having recently moved in with her partner, Auckland media personality Clarke Gayford, she wants to have kids.
    
    She can have these things as an MP but not as the leader of a party. Sure as heck not as Prime Minister.
    
    It’s a very human answer.”
    
    So less than a year ago she said she wants kids and that is incompatible with being party leader or PM. Has she changed her mind?
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11701114
    
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    August 2, 2017 12:26pm
    - SteveRemmington
      
      And there in lies the problem cmm.
      
      She is happy to blather on about having kids in a self promotional fluff piece in a glossy mag, but pulls the sexism card if anyone brings up the topic when the time is not of her choosing.
      
      A political prostitute through and through.
      
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      August 2, 2017 12:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pregnancy and childbirth severely depress mental acuity. Stress, sleep deprivation, nutritional deficits all combine for “mummy brain” that mangles memory. Might not be PC but it is very real, and not something that the top job will easily accommodate.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:30am
  - Gabby
    
    Are you talking about pregnancy or heavy alcohol consumption?
    
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    August 2, 2017 12:53pm
    - VicParking
      
      Sounds likes Winstons issues to me
      
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      August 2, 2017 1:11pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Er – have all Labour Party members given birth then ?
    Arf arf !!
    
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    August 3, 2017 3:58am
- cmm
  
  Oh well, that’s the toughest question of her political career out of the way and she managed all by herself (well with a little help from the femedia).
  
  C’mon if people are going to get all cranked about a question like this, then what when something serious has to be dealt with.
  
  How is she going to handle a bunch of body bags coming back from Afghanistan?
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:04am
  - Gabby
    
    She’ll do everything possible to bring them out. Anybody tells you that’s political is just playing with your emotions.
    
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    August 2, 2017 1:23pm
- Fletch
  
  Nah, Jacinda will be a childless Helen Clark type. She will put political aspirations above having a family.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:33am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Who knows ? It’s not like being a car mechanic or a postie. And it’s only the Labour Party she’s got to lead. Could probably do that pregnant, blindfolded and hopping.
    
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    August 3, 2017 4:01am
- rangitoto
  
  She shouldn’t wait too long at her age.
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:26pm
Paulus Gnome

Apparently the new design labour election hoardings are to be in the shape of a Jandal to remind voters of their policy platforms.

Two ticks blue to make sure Comrade Jacinda gets a taste of the Jandal
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August 2, 2017 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  As a side issue in Whanganui all the labour signs with Little on them were gane by 8:30 am yesterday and replace by the Whanganui candidate only signs.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:21am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not the ones on my drive to work this morning Vic.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:55am
    - Happychappy
      
      KS : What do you think of the news from Labour Election Chairman Andrew Kirton or have we more of the same policy of mislead the public like slave gate with his comments of $110.000 and 600 volunteers in a day after the leadership change, Andrew Kirton also said he had never seen any thing like it before.
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:19am
    - VicParking
      
      Your suburb does not count, true blue to matter
      
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      August 2, 2017 1:13pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        No Vic, I actually had to go out Castlecliff way at lunchtime today, and there are still a few Andrew Little “A fresh approach” billboards there.
        
        Probably the best thing of all is that I’ve yet to see a single NZ First in Whanganui this year. Winston was really bullish last year when Chester announced his intention to retire; NZF was going to win Whanganui. I’m not aware that they’ve even named a candidate yet, which is probably quite an important part of winning!
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83870392/Winston-Peters-targeting-Whangarei-and-Whanganui-seats-in-2017-election
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:30pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Two ticks blue?
  
  I’m my electorate (Rongotai) Labour could stand a goat with a red rosette and it would be elected.
  
  Indeed that is what has happened since 1996.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:26am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Same for Mt albert as well, which is why we have…
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:04am
  - Liberty
    
    “Old goat with a red rosette”
    Didn’t she retire?
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      To become genuine Greek kebabs at the diverse holiday season bbq at Fraser House (assuming the bailiffs haven’t got possession)
      
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      August 2, 2017 10:36am
  - Fletch
    
    Voted for by a dachshund named `Colin’, and a small hen in its late forties.
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:35am
VicParking

Red Radio this morning is waxing lyrical and dribbling at the mouth over the Tooth Fairy. Davis is to swing all maori to vote labour and overbite will get all the young non voters to the polling station.
They are quoting a madeup “Poll of Polls” which has Labour on 25% and National on 45%. They are interviewing every Labourite from the left to give the opinion that she will raise Labours vote to 35%.
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August 2, 2017 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  With lots of “ki oras ” thrown in for good measure.
  
  Ki ora , ki ora.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:31am
  - VicParking
    
    Waiting for her to come out with “Comrade” or will that term be banished by her minders.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:56am
    - cmm
      
      That thing attached to her ankle is not a GPS tracker. It’s a shock collar that belts her every time she starts saying com… ouch!
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The ki ora’s are proportionate to the perceived maoriness of the individual in much the same way as the size and weight of an bone carving / tiki around the neck of anyone being interviewed by Lisa Owen.
    
    Pathetic symbolism in the subtle game of out maroiing a maori to show that one is one of the bro’s and therefore anything they say cannot be considered ‘racist’
    
    Give me strength
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:11am
  - RF
    
    I am waiting for her to break into a haka to ensure she gets the Maori vote.
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:22am
- doggone7
  
  Is that the radio station that happily provides a weekly prime time advertising spot for the Bill English?
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:50am
Odakyu-sen

What do we know about Ardern?
What is her background? Does she have the “right stuff”?
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August 2, 2017 8:18am
- VicParking
  
  She was known as a bit of a “blow hard” in her varsity days and “new” James Shaw in her London days
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Jacinda is the daughter that Helen Clark never had, but she has two things going for her over Helen.
    1. Her teeth are straight.
    2. She doesn’t bat for the other team.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And all the facial hair is in the right place, no surprise tufts sprouting anywhere.
      
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      August 2, 2017 9:12am
      - RF
        
        Paulus Gnome.
        
        One of our former leaders on the dark side had a lush crop of hair growing from facial warts….
        
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        August 2, 2017 9:37am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        There are undoubtedly those with all sorts of blemishes, warts and other growths that I have no desire to see or ever know about; can only comment on what can be seen really 🙂
        
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        August 2, 2017 10:39am
  - Inandout
    
    No, Trotter says she comes to the leadership ‘clean’. In pre internet days rumour swirled around Jack Marshall, Rob Muldoon, Colin Moyle and a few others. Times have changed, for better or worse, and any indiscretions will eventually surface. FGS even Diana’s confidential talk of her love life is not sacrosanct.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:58am
  - RF
    
    VicParking.
    
    New (Knew) James Shaw – the biblical sense ?
    
    There, I knew she had baggage.
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:27am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lets form judgement based on her political career and work rather than salacious crap like this. Would you be critical of a man who shagged around in his younger days?
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:34am
    - VicParking
      
      No I still like you
      
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      August 2, 2017 1:15pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps the best way to think about porcelain chops is as a black hole. Knowledge gets sucked in but none escapes.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:54am
- Fletch
  
  No. She has accomplished next-to-nothing.
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/the_achievements_of_jacinda_ardern.html
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:37am
krazykiwi

This is an example of why Saudi hates Qatar, or more specifically Aljazerra: ‘Historic day’ as Jordanian parliament repeals rape law. Saudi has enjoyed regional influence for decades on the strength of their oil. That a fellow state gains influence on the strength of information Saudi doesn’t endorse, and can’t control, is pissing them off.
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August 2, 2017 8:21am
wiseowl

I am just full of positivity.
I mean it’s all about being positive and now I am gushing positiveness.
To hell with policy.Make everyone positive and make education free.
In fact make everything free.That would be very positive.
Even free fish and chips!
Ah life is so positive.Being leader is a breeze.
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August 2, 2017 8:23am
Salacious Crumb

During yesterday’s press conference Ms Ardern made reference to her credentials to lead having “led a global youth organisation previously”.

Why did she not name this organisation and why was she not challenged as to the nature of it by the media?
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August 2, 2017 8:24am
Paulus

Dear Young International Socialist Leader.
Jacinderella, you can now go to the Ball. Your former Prince Charming has gone into a sulk because neither you or your Labour colleagues, along with the media, love him any more.
Grant is till grinning – another notch.
But you have a problem – it is the Ugly Sister who is proud to be a liar, cheat and a fraud in the theft of other people’s money. Her view appears to be supported by her co leader and party colleagues, who have in no way condemned her actions – what is more they support those who do. The Fraud Squad of the Social Services are pursuing over 2,000 cases of Fraud.
Now it again appears from both your ex Prince Charming and yourself that I can only find support for her action. And Labour Party have a MOU agreement with them.
I am sure that following Prince Charming’s visit to your Political Earth Mother on Monday, now back from New York, that she gave him the flic to get lost in your favour.
Earth Mother’s fingerprints are all over the present debacle.
At least you will have those feminists, and those who prostitute themselves for free with unknown sperm donors, will vote for you who are in favour of screwing the country as is their right – they are owed.
You cannot govern alone so it is up to you to decide what you have to offer the Greens or Winston who will demand a very high price for your elevation, if you get there.
At least the media particularly the political feminists of TVNZ and RNZ are gushing your attributes and that you are the next political thing since the invention of bread so you will have a good run. Whether the rest of the country who are looking towards stability will see through that remains to be seen.
Winston has beaten you to bribery on such as free University and the like.
Your bribes will be costed by the Government for sure and you will be required to show us the money.
I hope that you will look at where the taxes from those who are positive taxpayers, including business, comes from.
You appear to be seen as the great Socialist dream trying to take New Zealand away from the last 30 years from Roger Douglas to present prosperity from where the cloth cap working class had union power. The middle class have grown exponentially which is where you should be. Come to the real world. I see that rather than having a beer at Union Hall bar that expensive Malt Whisky is also like Winston, of choice.
I don’t call that Socialism.
Your are attaining middle age so one would have though that you had matured politically but no – I hope over many years of your current constituency that you will see from the bigger world that Socialism has not worked. Dictatorships have succeeded though instead.
Enjoy the Ball.
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August 2, 2017 8:35am
- KevOB
  
  Another Penny bright in the making?
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    nah, paid the rates and not bypassing the water meter. A NAL (not a leech) maybe
    
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    August 2, 2017 9:16am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Just as well there is a space!!
      
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      August 2, 2017 11:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Superb post Paulus. I wish I was allowed multiple upticks.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:25am
oldpark

Socialist Youth International,or maybe Young Commie Party.
Not a good idea to alert freedom lovingNZs ,that the so called new face for Lie-bour,is really mutton dressed up as a goody two shoes,and butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth,more like it would freeze.
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August 2, 2017 8:43am
- sam green
  
  Bitter?
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:19am
SteveRemmington

Coffee actually came out of my nose when i read it.

Full time leftwing crybaby Giovanni Tiso posted this question on twitter.

https://twitter.com/gtiso/status/892322327207100416

My first thought was, no point asking Peter, he wouldn’t know.
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August 2, 2017 8:46am
EAD_TWO

Images from “Glorious Goodwood” in the UK as it strinkingly contrasts heavily armed Robocop type policemen guarding British High Society at a Summer Season event:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4750096/Glamorous-racegoers-descend-Goodwood.html

I was at Goodwood 8 years ago and even that short while ago, there was nary a Police Officer in sight let alone ones carrying military grade firearms.

What is depressing is how normal this is to the vast majority and that these police could start shooting at a drop of a hat.

How long until we’re a Police State like this here in NZ? When I’m in Sydney on business and see these machine gun totting cops, I always shake my head because if I asked them the reason for why they are walking round the streets in full armed combat, I could be arrested for saying the very thing they are supposedly protecting us from. Think about that

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The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. “Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.” They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted”.– Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
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August 2, 2017 8:50am
dime

If Jacinda the young is elected prime minister.. will she still have time to do guest DJ gigs??

cause shes so young and cool

BAHAHAHAHA
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August 2, 2017 8:58am
BeaB

My favourite moment last night was when Kelvin Davis strode off from their news conference and Jacinda had to elbow past him to scuttle in front.

If it had been Trump it would have been all over the media but of course this was a tan man rather than a pale male so okay.
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August 2, 2017 9:04am
Dafixeruppa

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/95350212/greenpeace-activists-halt-construction-of-irrigation-scheme-in-canterbury

Now if they just turn on the water, we can see the level of pollutants increase as the greenpeace scum is washed into the system
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August 2, 2017 9:05am
wiseowl

Why the hell should Barfoot and Thompson meet with the Government because they are concerned first home buyers can’t get in to the market.?
Do real estate agents have some special say over and above electors.
These agents should be questioned over their exhorbitant fees not given special treatment.
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August 2, 2017 9:05am
- dime
  
  fuck i cant wait for the real estate industry to be disrupted.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  They have seen a slight downturn in their rapacious fees income, and Aston Martins are so expensive to maintain.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:19am
- Paulus
  
  Losing market – not making millions regularly any more.
  
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  August 2, 2017 1:27pm
waikatogirl

Did anyone else see Grant Robertson standing behind Jacindar’s shoulder at her announcement. While looking supportive, the mic clearly picked up his words of discouragement “Don’t do it”.
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August 2, 2017 9:21am
- sam green
  
  Don’t do what?
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:38am
- Lance
  
  The puppet master?
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:45am
- jcuk
  
  Was he the guy wearing a blue tie at a labour function?
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:59am
Hugh Pavletich

Economic bounce in provinces as Kiwis flee cities for the good life | Catherine Harris | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/95172682/economic-bounce-in-provinces-as-kiwis-enjoy-the-good-life

When Marc Burborough moved from Auckland to Napier earlier this year, he was unknowingly joining a national trend.

The tide of people moving out of the cities is one factor in the increasing good health of provincial New Zealand.

But for Burborough, it was simply a chance to continue doing the job he enjoyed in a place with cheaper housing and a better worklife balance. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 2, 2017 9:34am
- wiseowl
  
  Yes Hugh he is one of the Aucklanders forced out of Auckland by mass immigration and now he is helping push up the house prices in the Bay to a point where our kids can’t afford to buy one.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:51am
- Harriet
  
  And rather than place government services in the regional ‘towns’ it would be cheaper and more productive to improve the roading instead, and in that way people can have ‘better’ access to government services in the ‘cities’—NZ geographically is not Australia. And broadband is also nationwide in NZ lessening the need for physical interaction. Government services provide particular services, where roading provides a general service, everywhere. Regional towns should be full of attractions and not ‘the public service’ or it’s private providers. Over the longer term I know what I’d rather be paying for!
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:03am
  - simpleton1
    
    Good roads are powerful., aided by the 2nd hand Japanese import, and now the general low cost of a small car.
    How ever many under estimate the cost of running a vehicle.
    Public transport often means a whole day away for 20 minute appointment.
    Funny that I find that the freephone service often ends up in the India, Philippines or Australia.
    
    Banks quite often end with some Australian connection, when your so called special manager is on leave or change over.
    
    My nearby town , can be business done and dusted and back home to work in one hour. 2 at the most.
    To go to a provincial city, takes a very big junk out of the day and means the whole day is rushed.
    
    In the past it was the “civil servants” that had the time for theatre clubs, tennis, squash clubs, etc. that drove things in regional towns.
    
    What would you rate as an attraction? for a regional town? Cafe? Rest area? Toilet stop? Dog walk/relief? OP shop, lotto outlet? fish&chip dairy?, gas station?, in between rural merchandise shops. for a 30 minute break.
    How do you get it to be a day out? overnight?
    
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    August 2, 2017 10:32am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Firstly Hugh, a compliment and constructive suggestion. Restrict yourself to one hyperlink per post, and your posts might actually get read. Well done 🙂
  
  There are great things happening in the provinces, so more people need to get out of Auckland and make the discovery that there IS intelligent life (and coffee!) south of the Bombay Hills. And work-life balance is a huge factor, especially for those who are spending a couple of hours or more of every weekday stuck in traffic.
  
  Regional New Zealand is on a role. Last week Q-West Boat Builders here in Whanganui launched the new ferry it has been building for Fullers, as part of the largest commercial boat building contract ever in New Zealand; right here in provincial NZ. Q-West employs or contracts around 60 skilled tradies, and their boats they build are world class.
  
  For those who think they are stuck in Auckland, take a few weekends off, and take a few roadies to the provinces. You’ll find jobs for skilled staff, a lower cost of housing and living, fresh air, traffic that flows, and plenty of activities to occupy the hours of extra time you’ll have when you’re not stuck in Auckland’s traffic.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:53am
wiseowl

WG
You sure he wasn’t behind Kelvin?
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August 2, 2017 9:38am
- stigie
  
  Possibly a better fit behind Kelvin !~
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:41am
RF

Anyone heard if there is a decision about the appeal lodged by the Muslim thug, S B W.

He wants to get in a few hits in the Bledisloe cup.

Must be going cold turkey as he is not involves in any fights.
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August 2, 2017 9:46am
- Longknives
  
  My understanding RF is that a ‘warm-up match’ at training now constitutes a game ticked off of his ban?
  NZ Rugby- Writing their own rules since pretty much forever..
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:21am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Wonder how Matthew Hooton’s feeling this morning?

Got a massive stomach ache from ‘word-eating’ indigestion?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897541

Matthew Hooton: Jacinda Ardern ‘will fail, I think she’s a flake’ – NZ Herald

Did one of his clients PAY him to say that?

Just asking – nicely 🙂

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation/ anti-corruption campaigner’.

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 BILLION Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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August 2, 2017 10:11am
- Gruffydd
  
  Yes peeny its a crime to move all those single old people living in three bedroom state houses in tamiki for generations and give them small flats more suitable for their situation, We can then sell off the expensive underused land to fund renewal of state housing stock and more . why would you want that ?
  
  State housing for life is not a right
  living in a three bedroom state house when your family has left home is not fair on others who do have a need .
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:25am
  - sooty
    
    How many votes was it got in the last election, did you say!
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:58am
    - Gruffydd
      
      She polled more than her mortal enemy’s in the hustings Invalid and No Vote assigned .
      
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      August 2, 2017 12:05pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Still waiting for your condemnation of Metiria Turei for her deliberate, sustained fraud on the taxpayer Penny. I would have thought an “anti-corruption campaigner” like you would have been all over this.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:55am
BeaB

Why is that Sepuloni woman always standing behind each new leader?
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August 2, 2017 10:24am
- RalphT
  
  Scary, isn’t it?
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:40am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Bob each way
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:44am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Should be standing behind Metiria?
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:58pm
Happychappy

I would like to know why Social Welfare is allowing Metiria Turei to travel around NZ now with other stories relating to Herself about Welfare fraud do Political gain.
http://newsroom….s.metiriaTurei tells her story.
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August 2, 2017 10:24am
- stigie
  
  This is not right, they are still ramping up the Barclay fiasco where Me Te is getting a free run…?
  Which is worse, taping someone behind their back or benefit fraud..? I just don’t get it !~
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:32am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Because they are trying to embroil Bill English in it.
    
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    August 2, 2017 12:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    Depends what’s on the tapes. Hey, let’s look into that while we’re looking into stuff.
    
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    August 2, 2017 1:07pm
Tom Barker

If you elect a clown, expect a circus.
(Plus Jason Johns to sweep up the elephant dung and call it confetti.)
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August 2, 2017 11:01am
Fletch

The media seem to be openly shilling for Jacinda the way the American media did for Hillary. See this Facebook post by the NZ Herald –

https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/photos/a.176893216301.135996.34497296301/10154685881536302/?type=3&theater
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August 2, 2017 11:14am
Jack5

For those who missed the posts late last night on the General Debate thread of this alleged animal cruelty by an NZ supporter of Islamic terrorism:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897307
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August 2, 2017 11:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mangatu blocks is a Gisborne incorporation
  mangatu.co.nz
  It has interests in forestry, viticulture, farming and meat processing.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:26am
Rodney Randall

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897307

Kiwi Isis Supporters Graphic Slaughter Video.

Just lovely peaceful stuff.

You only had to post this Scorpion!

I wholeheartedly cocur.

Fuck Halal and Islam
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August 2, 2017 11:19am
Rodney Randall

http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/3256/preachers-of-hate/

Preachers of Hate – Ian Wishart

An in depth article, well worth a read on the infiltration of hate preachers into NZ mosques.

“Religious studies professor Peter Lineham remains cynical about the Government’s current reliance on “Interfaith dialogue” to promote greater understanding and tolerance.”
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August 2, 2017 11:30am
- Kimbo
  
  Ian Wishart may gravitate towards the sensational and lurid – Peter Lineham doesn’t. Good comments by him. Also, interesting comment by NZ convert (via studying comparative religion at Waikato Uni as I seem to recall) and local Muslim leader Abdullah Drury. If he says it, then, ok, you’ve got my attention:
  
  Disquiet was also voiced in the New Zealand Herald last year by local Muslim leader Abdullah Drury, who warned that 30 years of making the Muslim community a mainstream part of New Zealand was disappearing out the door because the huge influx of recent immigrants under Labour has changed the balance of power. Where once Muslims had a sense of their NZ identity, Drury says the new leaders’ “hearts, minds, rationale and prejudices are still firmly rooted in their home countries.
  
  More than one North Island critic has stated that some Canterbury Muslims think they’re still living in Africa or the Middle East.
  
  “Why are things falling apart now?” asks Drury. “The most significant contribution stems from the massive and poorly planned influx of immigrants and refugees from Africa and the Middle East in the 1990s. Nobody in the local Muslim community
  ever anticipated or planned this.”
  
  From 13,000 Muslims in 1996, there are now almost 37,000, and the Islamic community has jumped 50% under Labour.
  
  Says Drury:
  
  “The pioneering Muslim families who established Islam in this country have been effectively overwhelmed: swept out of office by the superior numbers of the new faces, or entrenching themselves and encouraging newcomers to set up their own Islamic prayer arrangements.
  
  “There was also a substantial change in composition. In the 1970s most Muslims in New Zealand were…mostly from societies with long traditions of interaction with white Anglo-Saxon culture and customs: Indians, Fiji Indians or Pakistanis.
  
  “Now, there is a substantial bloc, often Arab or African, with considerably poorer education than their predecessors, with vastly different language skills and cultures to those this country has traditionally absorbed.
  
  “This,” warns Drury, “has exacerbated community differences along ethnic, linguistic or cultural lines inside mosques from Christchurch to Auckland…very quickly [the Arab/African faction] use their disproportionately larger numbers to vote in their own leaders. Consequently, a fair number of mosques in New Zealand are currently being administered or dominated by people and groups who have arrived in this country within the last 10 years, some substantially less.”
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:50am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Thanks Kimbo. Very interesting
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:54am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Told ya. Far from relying on some abstract conspiracy theory, some of us have been looking closely at the situation in NZ and the West for a long time now. There are good, objective, fact-based reasons for serious concern, even if you don’t hold to the civilizational suicide aspect of that.
    
    “As an American living in Europe since 1998, Bruce Bawer has seen this problem up close. Across the continent—in Amsterdam, Oslo, Copenhagen, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, and Stockholm—he encountered large, rapidly expanding Muslim enclaves in which women were oppressed and abused, homosexuals persecuted and killed, “infidels” threatened and vilified, Jews demonized and attacked, barbaric traditions (such as honor killing and forced marriage) widely practiced, and freedom of speech and religion firmly repudiated.
    
    The European political and media establishment turned a blind eye to all this, selling out women, Jews, gays, and democratic principles generally—even criminalizing free speech—in order to pacify the radical Islamists and preserve the illusion of multicultural harmony.”
    
    https://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0767920058
    
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    August 2, 2017 12:03pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Told ya.
      
      I said Lineham and Drury had my attention – not you! 😉 Your readiness to dodge questions means you still haven’t earned sufficient respect from me to invest time and money in your reading recommendations! 😉
      
      Put it this way, I think Wishart’s article – and you – move too quickly between overseas incidents, and the NZ context. But I have always acknowledged Muslims present a statistically greater security risk.
      
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      August 2, 2017 12:10pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Your readiness to dodge questions”
        
        I don’t dodge questions that are aimed at what I actually believe and what I have actually said. And some of your questions are attempts at distraction from the issue, along the lines of Bill Clinton’s infamous “It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” You call this your “microscope” attention. I call it dodging the issue.
        
        “you still haven’t earned sufficient respect from me”
        
        Oh dear, that’s got me worried! 🙂
        
        ” to invest time and money in your reading recommendations!”
        
        That’s an excuse, not a reason. I think you’re scared of what you may discover if you do.
        
        Give Bruce Bawer a go. Kindle is cheap and easy.
        
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        August 2, 2017 12:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “Your readiness to dodge questions”
        
        I don’t dodge questions that are aimed at what I actually believe and what I have actually said.
        
        Including an honest critique and questioning of your assumptions? We’ll have to differ.
        
        “you still haven’t earned sufficient respect from me”
        
        Oh dear, that’s got me worried! ?
        
        Ah, a clever throw-away, but in context a deceitful bait-and-switch from the credibility issue you have with me…and others around here.
        
        Give Bruce Bawer a go.
        
        I’d suggest that, when using the imperative, you might learn to say, “please” 😉
        
        Kindle is cheap and easy.
        
        As are your supposed rebuttals, assertions and rhetoric. I realise that in your mind, Shawn, every contrary exchange you have with someone you agree results in your “complete”. Others of us are less sanguine and are more ready to place you in the “legend in your own mind” category.
        
        But I tell you what – I’ll meet you half way (a radical and humbling concept for you, I’m sure, Mr Big Noting self-congratulating American): I’ll let you know when you earn my respect. 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 12:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, yes, and I see I made a few typos/left out some words in that above post. So, tell me, Shawn, what does it say about the level of engagement you offer and your alleged and stated desire to steer clear of distractions that, based on previous form you are going to post something highlighting those typos and omissions…and use that as the basis to claim overwhelming victory in this our latest exchange. Go on, you know you want to! 😉 Classic pigeon chess gambit. 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 12:53pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Sorry is its like playing chess with someone whispering over your shoulder Kimbo.
        Explore the thread left hanging yesterday and find out what is really down the rabbit hole.
        #Shawn lee Herles……
        I only know because i have already been there .
        
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        August 2, 2017 2:32pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “but in context a deceitful bait-and-switch from the credibility issue you have with me”
        
        No. I just truly, seriously, don’t care one little bit what you think of me.
        
        “I’ll let you know when you earn my respect.”
        
        And I’ll let you know when I care. 🙂
        
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        August 2, 2017 3:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Great, another quality contribution. So, back to the point – yeah, sorry to interrupt the pigeon chess – we are agreed no more book recommendations from you with accompanying breathless demands they must be read in your default smug and superior tone? Like Andrew Little, you really know how to connect on a personal level with your target political audience. 😉
        
        Oh, yes, and any reason you didn’t shriek “Godwins” and “dishonest, gutter level tactic…He has crawled into the gutter” when Fletch posted on GD yesterday a Dinesh D’Souza link connecting Nazis and…the American left? As I pointed out at the time, the silence was deafening. Especially as, in light of the similarities between your cultural conservative prescription of the lib-progs agenda and its similarities to the Protocols of Zion, at least the Protocols pre-dated the Nazis by 30 years and were Tsarist Russian in origin…
        
        Go on – I’ve set the pieces up, in the standard Shawn Herles playbook, give it your best pigeon-chess shot… 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 3:33pm
      - Fletch
        
        I’ve started reading D’Souza’s book. Very good so far actually. Although I probably wouldn’t agree with everything, it’s better than the title suggests and I wish he wouldn’t have given the book that title. It’s more about the fascism on the Left.
        
        What is really interesting to me so far is that JFK was originally a fan of Hitler, though he fought in WWII.
        
        JFK toured Nazi Germany in the 1930s and came back effusive with praise of Hitler and his theory of Nordic superiority. “I have come to the conclusion,” JFK wrote in his diary, “that fascism is right for Germany and Italy.” Touring the Rhineland, JFK echoed Nazi propaganda at the time. “The Nordic races appear to be definitely superior to the Romans.” Hostility toward Hitler, JFK insisted, stems largely from jealousy. “The Germans really are too good—that’s why people conspire against them.” Even though JFK fought in World War II, he retained a soft spot for Hitler as late as 1945, when he described him as the “stuff of legends . . . Hitler will emerge from the hate that now surrounds him and come to be regarded as one of the most significant figures to have lived.”36
        
        These incriminating facts are known to many progressive scholars. But after Word War II, as this group came increasingly to dominate the academy—a dominance that was fully consolidated by the late 1960s—the progressives recognized how crushing it would be if Americans knew about the actual record of progressivism and the Democratic Party. What if people, especially young people, knew the links between revered progressive figures like Wilson, FDR, and JFK on the one hand, and the hated Mussolini and Hitler on the other? Such knowledge would not merely topple progressive heroes from their pedestal. Basically it would be the end of progressivism and the Democratic Party.
        
        So progressives decided to tell a new story, and this is the story that has now become our conventional wisdom. In this story, the very fascism and Nazism that were, from the outset, on both sides of the Atlantic, recognized as left-wing phenomena now got moved into the right-wing column. Suddenly Mussolini and Hitler became “right-wingers,” and the people who supposedly brought them to power became “conservatives.” The Left, then, became the glorious resisters of fascism and Nazism.
        
        To make this story work, fascism and Nazism had to be largely redefined. The big problem was that Mussolini and Hitler both identified socialism as the core of the fascist and Nazi weltanschauung. Mussolini was the leading figure of Italian revolutionary socialism and never relinquished his allegiance to it. Hitler’s party defined itself as championing “national socialism.” So the progressives had to figure out how to move these avowed left-wingers to the Right, and how to get the “socialism” out of “national socialism.” This was not an easy task.
        
        Think about this: we know the name of the philosopher of capitalism, Adam Smith. We also know the name of the philosopher of Marxism, Karl Marx. So, quick, what is the name of the philosopher of fascism? Yes, exactly. You don’t know. Virtually no one knows. My point is that this is not because there were no foundational thinkers behind fascism—you will meet them in this book—but rather that the Left had to get rid of them in order to avoid confronting their unavoidable socialist and leftist orientation.
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:02pm
      - Fletch
        
        *(36) – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-War.html
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:09pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        recognized as left-wing phenomena now got moved into the right-wing column.
        
        Oh do fuck off .
        We have a national socialist on this forum.
        Ask EAD if he is right or left ? He self identify’s as far right . Redtwit even handed his mantle to EAD To fight the good fight on here .
        The present effort of right wing revisionism to paint Nazi as left is lame.
        
        The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that the far left and the far right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe.
        
        Just like you Christian conservatives are far closer politically to Muslim extremism than a Liberal atheist is .
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thanks, Fletch – but JFK was still a young man at the time (he was born in 1917), and his “Hitler and Mussolini put some backbone into their countries” assessment was not uncommon before the war. Oh, yes, and as Christopher Hitchens pointed out – JFK chose to run to the right of the Eisenhower-Nixon administration in his 1960 campaign and accused them of being…soft on international communism!
        
        But I’m more interested in the reaction of Jack5 and Philbest. I may disagree with them from time to time, but at least they are honourable men who, unlike others in their ideological neck of the woods, don’t resort to pigeon chess. 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Fletch
        
        Mind you, if you or D’Souza had suggested that JFK was part of a Jesuit-Catholic plot to undermine America and entrench the power of the foreign Pope, I may have been amenable! 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:21pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “yeah, sorry to interrupt the pigeon chess”
        
        Sorry, but unlike you and Griff I don’t play pigeon chess.
        
        “we are agreed no more book recommendations from you”
        
        Nope.
        
        “with accompanying breathless demands they must be read in your default smug and superior tone?”
        
        I understand that you are terrified of being adequately informed about the issue as you have a deep psychological and emotional investment in the moderate center/status quo. And I understand that you think your position on that spectrum makes you intellectually and morally superior to others who are not. Hence your projection onto me of your own smug and superior style when dealing with anyone who is not in the center.
        
        Or who goes to a Pentecostal church. 🙂
        
        Honestly, are you seriously unaware of how many people on KB think you come across as pompous, smug, and superior? Lucia called you on it more than once.
        
        Pot. Kettle. Black.
        
        The reality is I just care very deeply about the issue in question. Any normal person with a basic sense of decency would, and does. People are dying because of Islamic terrorism. New Islamic terrorist plots are discovered and/or thwarted every single week. Thousands of women and children have been raped and sexually assaulted by Islamic immigrants all over Europe. Over a thousand young girls, some only children, tortured and raped by Islamic grooming gangs in Britain. All of this is just the facts. And all of this has been posted here on KB for years now, and your pathetic, deluded response is to engage in outright denial that there is a problem, while arrogantly, smugly and pompously attacking the people highlighting these horrors with spurious, vacuous crap about the way the Irish were treated, or comparing their concerns with the Protocols conspiracy.
        
        So if I come across as sounding superior in my responses to you, it’s because I am, and because e I have absolutely no respect for you. None at all.
        
        I didn’t choose “kimberly” by accident. I truly have seen no evidence that you are a man. A real man would be outraged about what is happening in the West as a result of mass Islamic immigration.
        
        The only reason I bother with you at all is that your vile defense of the status quo regarding Islamic immigration has to be countered because other people reading KB might be influenced by your delusion.
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        So if I come across as sounding superior in my responses to you, it’s because I am, and because e I have absolutely no respect for you. None at all.
        
        I didn’t choose “kimberly” by accident. I truly have seen no evidence that you are a man. A real man would be outraged about what is happening in the West as a result of mass Islamic immigration.
        
        The only reason I bother with you at all is that your vile defense of the status quo regarding Islamic immigration has to be countered because other people reading KB might be influenced by your delusion.
        
        Pigeon chess at its finest. Shawn Herles, keeping it classy on Kiwiblog for 14,798 comments..and counting 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 4:57pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        He is well over 20,000.
        Shawn Lee Herles has had at lest three incarnations on KB.
        
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        August 2, 2017 5:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Gruffydd
        
        I wouldn’t know. I get enough amusement out of guessing which of the two Shawn Herles – (funny) or (alarmed-and-it-is-self-evident) is going to turn up next! Sometimes I get lucky with two-for-the-price on one in a single post. 😉
        
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        August 2, 2017 5:34pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        You still haven’t explore the loony tune ideology behind the persona.
        
        EAD makes an effort to portray a rational person but when pressed will not admit what he is .
        
        Shawn comes across as rational but his actual ideology and motivation is debatable insane .
        
        His idea of freedom like many on the far ends of politics is: you are free to do as we tell you.
        This implicitly implies an element of coercion.
        The extremes can never really be democratic as they know what they want would not be acceptable to the majority for any length of time. Hence the strong pull towards authoritarianism on both sides of extremism to get what they want.
        
        Who knows .
        You may even think his ideas have merit.
        They are certainly much closer to what little you let slip than to mine.
        
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        August 2, 2017 6:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    Have the Saudis chipped in with an offer to build facilities for the spiritual benefit of this influx?
    
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    August 2, 2017 1:01pm
Fletch

The global warming ‘scientists’ in Australia are caught altering low temperatures upward. Can’t have it appearing too cold now, can we?

Australian scientists at the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) ordered a review of temperature recording instruments after the government agency was caught tampering with temperature logs in several locations.

Agency officials admit that the problem with instruments recording low temperatures likely happened in several locations throughout Australia, but they refuse to admit to manipulating temperature readings. The BOM located missing logs in Goulburn and the Snow Mountains, both of which are in New South Wales.

Meteorologist Lance Pidgeon watched the 13 degrees Fahrenheit Goulburn recording from July 2 disappear from the bureau’s website. The temperature readings fluctuated briefly and then disappeared from the government’s website.

“The temperature dropped to minus 10 (13 degrees Fahrenheit), stayed there for some time and then it changed to minus 10.4 (14 degrees Fahrenheit) and then it disappeared,” Pidgeon said, adding that he notified scientist Jennifer Marohasy about the problem, who then brought the readings to the attention of the bureau.

A similar failure wiped out a reading of 13 degrees Fahrenheit at Thredbo Top on July 16, even though temperatures at that station have been recorded as low as 5.54 degrees Fahrenheit.

Failure to observe the low temperatures had “been interpreted by a member of the community in such a way as to imply the bureau sought to manipulate the data record,” Johnson said, according to The Australian. “I categorically reject this implication.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/australia-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/
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August 2, 2017 11:44am
- realityczech
  
  Not again !
  
  I hope they get their funding cut. Yeah right.
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:34pm
renderer

An endorsement by Liz wahat the hell more could you want!

Lizzie Marvelly
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@LizzieMarvelly
Seeing lots of friends who don’t talk about politics expressing excitement about Jacinda. Is this the beginning of the ‘youthquake’?
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August 2, 2017 11:51am
- Peter
  
  Well, if it’s on twitter it must be a sign of….something.
  
  Dot.com was all over twitter and the “youthquake” delivered him 10% of the vote!
  
  Or not.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:54am
- Longknives
  
  Someone needs to remind Lizzie that as she is pushing 30 she isn’t ‘Youth’ anymore…
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:28pm
sooty

At the end of the day it’s same old shit Labour. They just changed the wrapper!
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August 2, 2017 11:54am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Yep; wrapped in white paper, instead of newsprint. But the fish and chips inside are just as distasteful.
  
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  August 2, 2017 11:57am
- stigie
  
  Someone just mentioned further up the post that it’s like a an old rusty P76 Leyland with a smoking motor, diff and gearbox issues but there’s a new driver..? How true.
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:03pm
Fletch

Bernie Sanders rhetoric from 2011 comes back to haunt him –

“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.”

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/892362259091140609/photo/1

OK, Bernie, tell us all again about the wonders of socialism.
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August 2, 2017 11:59am
Jim

Could the Herald possibly get any more shite? Apparently it can.

Insinuating headlines such as PM's wife and the million-dollar contract with a story that falls over itself trying to connect dots but actually points out nothing improper.

A more accurate headline would be “suicide prevention funding doubled” but I guess that did not fit the desired narrative.
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August 2, 2017 12:08pm
Longknives

Looks like the Apocolypse might hit before Election Day anyway, if this Demonic sign is anything to go by-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40797526
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August 2, 2017 12:30pm
- Gabby
  
  Good grief.
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:57pm
Manolo

The WaPo wastes no time:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/action-on-trumps-tax-cut-plan-could-be-delayed-until-next-year/2017/08/01/cc4e32d4-76e7-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.76f5a21b40f5
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August 2, 2017 12:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Meanwhile WaPo is silent on this scandal:
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/01/wasserman-schultz-under-pressure-to-testify-on-ex-it-aide-complaint-filed.html
  
  WTF is it with these Jewish liberals?
  
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  August 2, 2017 12:59pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Just tweeted this to Matthew Hooton:
‪https://www.prinz.org.nz/Person?Action=List&DataFilter_id=137&DataFilter_SortBy=NameLastFirst&Person_Page=12#‬

‪”PRINZ Members are alphabetical by last name”‬
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STILL not a member of PRINZ Matthew Hooton?

No ‘Code of Conduct’?‬
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August 2, 2017 12:55pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Do you think he’ll bother reading it.
  Now, isn’t it time you answered the questions you’ve been asked about the welfare fraudster who co-leads the Green party?
  
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  August 2, 2017 1:22pm
  - stigie
    
    It’s a pity Penny won’t give her take on the Me Tu benefit fraud…?
    It could make her “slightly” credible !~
    
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    August 2, 2017 1:33pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Let’s just draw the line there shall we nutter woman. Nobody wants you to start “sharing” your toilet habits or what you had for breakfast.
  
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  August 2, 2017 2:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Go Thee Quickly and Fornicate Farther Afield…. Fok weg, jou mal teef.
  
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  August 2, 2017 7:27pm
- stiglet
  
  Penny, is benefit fraud a greater crime than a refusal to pay rates? Which is more corrupt?
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:26pm
EAD_TWO

Time to stamp out the teaching of such extremism and hate to young minds. We are all equal!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/three-year-old-ultra-orthodox-jewish-children-told-the-non-jews-are-evil-in-worksheet-produced-by-10481682.html
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August 2, 2017 1:49pm
starboard

Rotorua Mayor Ms Steve Chadwick approves $90000 of public money to import 5 tonne of mud into Rotorua from South Korea . Unbelievable.

http://www.taxpayers.org.nz
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August 2, 2017 2:29pm
KevinH

Meanwhile over at RNZ opinion writer Finlay Macdonald has already crowned Ms Ardern as the “Peoples Princess”:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/336296/ardern-s-new-role-people-s-princess-versus-dreary-of-dipton

Well, dreams are free. Ardern’s popularity and charm currently fit the script our political drama writers have been pitching for some time: out with the old and dowdy, in with the young and funky, the people’s princess versus Dreary of Dipton.

Interesting that a former Metro editor has succumbed to hyperbole.
As a future hashtag it might be useful.
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August 2, 2017 2:32pm
Manolo

Griff, chief AGW-monger, will have a fit:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/healthy-scepticism/

To be sceptical of climate change alarmism is not the same as denying the possibility that there are variations within the earth’s climate and that, along with innumerable factors, pollution and other man-made activities may play some part in influencing those variations. However, as with all scientific theories, scepticism is a healthy, and indeed essential, part of the learning process.
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August 2, 2017 3:02pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Not really Manolo.
  If you had enough idea about physics to know what you are talking about then maybe .
  You are just some ignorant shoe salesman on the web who has sniffed to many stinky feet .
  
  How the support for the Donald going ?
  Rat…. ship…. sinking…. EH.
  
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  August 2, 2017 3:56pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And your credentials in physics are…. ? There are a lot of physics professors that are seriously questioning the “settled science” of “global warming” aka “climate change”….
    
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    August 2, 2017 7:25pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      From you
      Hello halfwit
      
      You don’t mind if I call you that do you?
      After all someone who claims to have a Msc in a subject he obviously has no idea about it is a halfwit.
      Asking me for my credentials after totally bullshiting about your own.
      ROFLMAO
      
      Without the CO2 driven greenhouse effect Paleoclimatology can not explain the past.
      The discipline is based on our knowledge of greenhouse gasses .
      
      Joseph Fourier 1820s infra red radiation proposed.
      John Tyndall 1859 C02 and H2O identified as greenhouse gasses .
      Svante Arrhenius 1896 calculated the warming for double CO2 .
      Arrhenius worked it out because the forces that get us into and out of an ice age are not sufficient without the greenhouse effect and the role CO2 plays in it .
      
      You are nothing but a gibbering loon .
      I am sure the following organizations would love to here about your papers….Not.
      
      A Tutorial on the Basic Physics of Climate Change
      
      The American Physical Society
      https://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/hafemeister.cfm
      
      American institute of physics .
      https://www.aip.org/fyi/climate-change
      
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      August 2, 2017 8:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Essentially plants are made of CO2. The more there is, the more they grow and the more CO2 they consume.
        
        We may have to endure a period of slightly warmer weather and abundant food until it levels out again.
        
        The changes are so tiny that only teams of scientists with millions and millions of dollars in funding over many years can even measure it. They say.
        
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        August 2, 2017 8:29pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Oh Fuck, my mistake. Trying to have a reasonable discussion with a fucking moron, ridiculed on every website he posts his inane diatribes…
        
        Just google “griff idiot climate”
        
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        August 2, 2017 8:56pm
Manolo

A couple of animals. Like father, like son:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4748348/Osama-bin-Laden-s-son-criticises-Saudi-royal-family.html

Osama bin Laden’s son Hamza has issued chilling messages aimed at the Saudi royal family.

The 28-year-old, labelled the ‘poster boy’ for al Qaeda, is reportedly poised to lead the terror organisation in a bid to avenge his father’s death.
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August 2, 2017 3:29pm
- Gabby
  
  My heart bleeds for the poor innocent Sauds.
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:12pm
Fletch

According to a 1 News story, Labour hauled in over $250,000 overnight after Jacinda became the leader. At one point it was over $700 a minute.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/video-labour-says-its-hauled-in-250k-overnight-after-jacinda-ardern-named-leader-ive-never-seen-anything-like
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August 2, 2017 3:45pm
- Thompy
  
  Yeah Right
  
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  August 2, 2017 3:58pm
  - Gabby
    
    Ponyboy donated a week’s pay. You know why.
    
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    August 2, 2017 10:59pm
- Happychappy
  
  Fletch: I wonder how many beneficiaries will be at winz in the next two or three days asking for food Vouchers because they have donated to the change the Government Party after saying they can’t live on the money they receive in benefit payments.
  
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  August 2, 2017 4:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    Chappy: you can get emergency dental treatment you know.
    
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    August 2, 2017 7:31pm
- KevOB
  
  Refunds will be available after 24September 2018.
  
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  August 2, 2017 4:33pm
Manolo

Nobody could believe China on this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/01/north-korea-crisis-china-says-trump-wrong-that-it-can-fix-problem.html

President Donald Trump is “wrong” when he says China can resolve the ongoing North Korea nuclear crisis on its own, Chinese state media said on Wednesday morning.
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August 2, 2017 3:56pm
KevOB

Greeen MP, Marama Davidson, spoke this afternoon in the House.

In full SJW mode she pleaded the plight and the government’s failure because a person had had a life incident, or some such gloss for business failure.They had fallen and could not maintain themselves and family.

She reported that the person was too proud to accept the support available.
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August 2, 2017 4:26pm
- Gabby
  
  Why’s Marama trampling on the poor thing’s mana by dragging her story through parliament.
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:11pm
Left Right and Centre

First Meteria now Andrew . . .

Content is being typed in quicker than I can firkin read it all mate . . .
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August 2, 2017 5:21pm
Jack5

Another long-established manufacturer and exporter of New Zealand primary products has slipped into Chinese ownership.

The wool skins and tannery firm G.L.Bowron, set up in pioneer-era Christchurch 138 years ago, has been bought by a subsidiary of Henan Prosper Skins and Leather Enterprise. Bowrons is big in sheepskin exports.

The sale to China follows the $261 million deal in which Shanghai Maling (Hong Kong) taking a 50 per cent controlling stake in the meat co-operative Silver Fern Farms. It will be interesting to see whether the water contracts held by Silver Fern for its now closed Ashburton plant will end up supplying cheap Canterbury water for China.

Announced last year was a $200 million investment by China Animal Husbandry Group to take a 71 per cent stake in a new infant formula plant in Southland.

When Britain joined the EU, British colonial investors largely pulled out of processing of NZ primary products. Now we have a new colonial investor.
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August 2, 2017 5:22pm
- rangitoto
  
  So who got the cash?
  
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  August 2, 2017 7:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Rangitoto, thank you for asking that question.
    
    The ultimate owner of G.L. Bowron and Co., and now the seller, has been Hatchi Sydney Corporation, which is owned by Muruhati, of Japan. Muruhati is the trading name for Murahachi Group, a small Japanese conglomerate (about 3,000 employees).
    
    The four directors of Bowron in recent years have all been Japanese.
    
    Bowron profit in 2016 was down to $1.9 million from $5.4 million in 2015. This was on sales of $55.5 million in 2016, down from $63.5 million in 2015.
    
    I guess this is what happens when you sell your business to foreigners. You never know who you will be working for, and there is just not the feeling that the owners are in it for the long term.
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:23pm
rightoverlabour

There are a whole lot of fuck wits on WO extolling the virtue of voting for Yes No Winston and that it won’t be so bad if the Red Green Black curse ruins the country for three years. …. This bunch of fuckwits want to destroy the Auckland housing market, essentially bankrupting hundreds of investors and ensuring that thousands will be paying mortgages far in excess of the houses’ value for the rest of their lives. Morons.
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August 2, 2017 7:48pm
- realityczech
  
  Probably the best [only] argument for voting for them. The housing market is grossly over inflated and why should people pay those absurd prices so “investors” can make a fortune with multiple properties ? Your comment suggests you think the govt should prop up the market for a greedy few.
  
  The fact is this will ruin our economy if houses are not massively reduced in price. It is a non productive debt burden that will stuff us up.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:35pm
  - Viking2
    
    If that were true but its not.
    
    Dumber than a sack of lead sinkers.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:58pm
starboard

***Deport deport deport***
Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari

Filthy muslim import Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari from Afganistan, scumbag pedo and sexual deviant must be deported..NOW !!

“The Herald can reveal that Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari arrived in New Zealand from Afghanistan in October 2012 on a resident visa.
In February 2013 Akbari indecently assaulted a woman and was convicted.
Then in 2015 he was jailed for two years and one month for five charges of indecent acts on girls aged 8 and 10 and indecently assaulting an 18-year-old.

That offending happened while Akbari was on bail awaiting trial on the 2013 charge.”

Dirty bastard.
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August 2, 2017 7:54pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But he’s still here and so is Woodhouse.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:43pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson on youtube’s new plan to censor “hate speech’ in videos, ie, pretty much anything right wing. What he calls the “beginning of the end of free speech on youtube”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNwWoPD1c9k
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August 2, 2017 7:55pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Cheers for the link Fletch.
  
  Just popped over to youtube to see if this vid was still there:)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY
  Christopher Hitchens – Free Speech
  
  It never gets old and is well worth repeated viewings.
  
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  August 2, 2017 9:08pm
Viking2

Major inquiry on voluntary euthanasia does not recommend law change

National MP and Health Committee chairman Simon O’Connor says he feels public safety cannot adequately be safeguarded should assisted dying be made legal.

The Health Committee’s report on a petition by former Labour MP and assisted dying advocate Maryan Street was tabled in Parliament this afternoon.

The two-year inquiry heard from 22,000 submitters, including 1000 of them in person.

The petition was signed by nearly 9000 people and asked for a full investigation into public attitudes to medically-assisted dying for people with a terminal or irreversible condition. It also asked for a change to the existing law.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897988

Nothing changes ever with the Nats.
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August 2, 2017 8:01pm
- nasska
  
  There’s one thing I can guarantee V2 & that is that the issue is not going to disappear.
  
  The arseholes in the Skyfairy industry have won a temporary stay at best.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:18pm
- nasska
  
  From Wikipedia:
  
  ….”O’Connor completed training to be a Catholic priest but did not seek ordination”….
  
  Arseholes & leopards never change their spots.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    There’s an opening for Adern, if she has the fortitude.
    
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    August 2, 2017 11:26pm
Viking2

The most imaginative waste yet!

Porky and Jordan at award presentationWe elect politicians to be guardians of the ratepayer and taxpayer purse. Unfortunately, that’s not happening in Rotorua, with news that the local Mayor and former Labour Party MP, Steve Chadwick, approved $90,000 of public money to import five tonnes of mud from South Korea for Rotorua’s “Mudtopia” festival, to be held later in the year.
Porky enjoying Rotorua’s mud pools

Our researcher, Matthew Rhodes, was even quoted by the BBC on this ridiculous example of wasteful spending: See Row as New Zealand spends thousands on South Korean mud.

Incredibly, Rotorua’s Council initially defended the spending by telling media they should ‘go easy’ because the money was from a taxpayer funded MBIE grant, and not ‘from ratepayers’. In the end that turned out to be wrong – the money came from a combined taxpayer/ratepayer pool for the event.

Our mascot, Porky the Waste-hater, travelled to Rotorua on Monday to hold a special award ceremony at the civic building – you can watch the tongue-in-cheek award ceremony here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH1uhNFUkTE
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August 2, 2017 8:03pm
realityczech

Arden admits to meeting with a convicted communist terrorist who conspired to set bombs to kill civilians !

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95382362/jacinda-ardern-once-met-nelson-mandela–a-fact-she-doubts-many-people-know
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August 2, 2017 8:04pm
- Fletch
  
  I wonder if she is also a fan of Che Guevara and Castro like aunty Helen.
  
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  August 2, 2017 8:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    We both know the answer to that. She was an active member of a communist organisation and still is. She may more radical than the hideous Clark even.
    
    She dreams of having the power Mao and Stalin did.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:15pm
    - Gabby
      
      Someone who installs a toilet bowl without the requisite paperwork – God knows the horrors she could be capable of.
      
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      August 2, 2017 10:24pm
  - realityczech
    
    Gayford [chuckle] looks like a smug self righteous prick.
    
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    August 2, 2017 8:23pm
    - dad4justice
      
      I wonder if Gayford gets banned from the USA ?
      
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      August 2, 2017 8:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        Probably, for associating with militant radical elements.
        
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        August 2, 2017 8:37pm
    - stiglet
      
      I think he is a sure sign of her impressive capacity for virtue signalling.
      
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      August 2, 2017 8:43pm
    - starboard
      
      Fag.com
      
      https://www.google.com.au/search?q=clarke+gayford&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDtZeglLjVAhVBTrwKHTmpCscQsAQITA
      
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      August 2, 2017 8:45pm
      - sam green
        
        Really? Do you fancy him starboard?
        
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        August 2, 2017 9:59pm
- Gabby
  
  Ponyboy went to his funeral of course. Ponyboy once met a muslim communist homosexual Kenyan terrorist race-hating warmonger also. Played golf with him. Fondled his club.
  
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  August 2, 2017 10:20pm
Fletch

Wow, just reading that a man in the U.S has given birth to a baby.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/feel-like-its-gift-us-man-gives-birth-healthy-baby-boy

I really would like to see video of that – of a man squeezing a baby through his penis. Or am I getting it wrong?
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August 2, 2017 9:03pm
Gabby

Cowardly Jonathan Coleman doesn’t wanna talk about what a frugal job his commissioner’s doing down south. He should guessingguss.
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August 2, 2017 10:55pm
Jack5

The New York Times joins the Social Justice Warrior campaign to rewrite the British history of World War 2.

A few companies of Pakistani mule drivers were at Dunkirk apparently, but they aren’t in the movie!

The writer, who from his surname is, or descends from, the “subcontinent,” correctly points out that 2 million or more Indians took part in the war, but doesn’t acknowledge that most of them were fighting in the Middle East and Burma, where Britain wouldn’t have been fighting but for India and the Suez link to it.

He doesn’t mention either thousands of Indians also fought for the Japanese in Burma, nor does he acknowledge British good deeds. For example, the resettling in Britain of the thousands of Indians driven out of Uganda by Idi Amin. I bet far more went to Britain than to India.

Perhaps it would be just for more British acknowledgement of the Indians participation in World War 2, but that’s not what the revisionists really want. If they looked they would see plenty of mention of Indians in the war histories and in the popular books about the war. He doesn’t mention the British fondness and praise for the Gurkhas and the resettlement of many of them and their families in Britain. Nor a feeling of warmth from many of the British veterans for Sikhs, who comprised many of the Indian units that fought in the Middle East.

What the revisionists really seek is a complete colonial re-write, a re-make of Britain’s culture and view of itself – to make the British ashamed of their past and their forbears. Out with the old heroes and the current self-view of the British. In with multiculturism and a new righteous class of the offended.

It makes you wonder why these folk stay in the West rather than migrate to Pakistan, India, Africa, or wherever.

Still, perhaps it’s a bit like the murmurs when Americans were written into post-war British war films. A bit of a grizzle, then soon forgotten.
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August 2, 2017 11:03pm
- Gabby
  
  If that’s the Dev Goswani article, there’s no whinging. Bit sad that/if the captured company apparently mostly died in captivity
  
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  August 3, 2017 11:01am
- realityczech
  
  Why not. World War Two has already been re-written beyond recognition.
  
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  August 3, 2017 11:04am
big bruv

Apologies if this has already been posted. These look like the actions of yet another feral native.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95389472/eighteenyearold-auckland-woman-jailed-for-seven-years-for-string-of-extremely-serious-crimes
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August 3, 2017 12:27am
- starboard
  
  Once a feral native..always a feral native.
  
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  August 3, 2017 7:20am
Left Right and Centre

Is Jacinda the hottest ever looking leader of a main NZ political party ?

Ok – keep in mind, hot looking . . . for a party leader.
I’ll say it – you won’t like this – but I like Labour more with hot stuff in charge. I don’t know – she is wearing those flash red and black work clothes. Daaaaaamn girlfriend.
She’s got my *shwing* vote – hubba hubba
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August 3, 2017 4:27am
Manolo

The dislike for Trump:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_aug2
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