General Debate 23 August 2017

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Paulus Gnome

From the chip wrapper regarding the interviews yesterday with our Bill and Taxcinda where unsurprisingly Bill’s appeared to be full of technical glitches and Taxindas not quite so many.
‘Jacinda Ardern vs Bill English: Relentless dissatisfaction vs bloody-minded positivity’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11908938

‘Ardern has stood accused of lacking breadth and depth on the economy. English’s millstone is the perception he is boring.

The difference is that one of those things can be taught, the other cannot – and in that respect English was the underdog.’

For the money I am paying for this position, I want someone other than the apprentice to turn up, I want a professional, I want to see the organ grinder not the grinning monkey! (with or without lipstick)

I am paying for skill and experience to ensure that this country does not disappear up its own orifice in a shit storm of small minded envy driven malice provided by a ‘good time not a long time’ learner!
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August 23, 2017 8:01am
- chris
  
  That’s part of the problem with our modern presidential style elections: far too much emphasis on one person’s personality. What’s wrong with a “boring” leader?
  
  They also made mention of the fact English started talking about the team quite a bit at the start when it was supposed to be all about him. I’m sorry, but an election is all about the team.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:12am
  - Gabby
    
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    Bingles started shifting blame already then.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Antiquated psychology of people driven by evolution in distant past of frequent warfare. ‘Leaders’ were apparently useful then to motivate the cannon-fodder. But in modern democratic times charismatic ‘Leaders’ are mostly a terrible idea as it is doesn’t improve governance. A smart mouth enabling a bully to push through bad ideas does not necessarily make for a good Prime Minister (as Muldoon proved).
    
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    August 23, 2017 2:07pm
- niggly
  
  Now now, what’s wrong with “lacking breadth and depth”??!!!
  
  Being somewhat vacuous comes in handy at times, for example for batting away questions (on tricky subjects like CGT’s) with such pearlers as:
  
  “I will be using that prerogative because I expect New Zealanders will want me to show leadership on that issue.”
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/what-is-the-ardern-agenda.html
  
  It can also be used to answer any question the MSM puts to Taxinda! For example:
  
  MSM: So Labour is considering raising income taxes – why and what are the details?
  
  Taxinda: “I will be using that prerogative because I expect New Zealanders will want me to show leadership on that issue.”
  
  MSM: Labour is considering a bottled water tax, but who will it apply to and when will you clarify the rate?
  
  Taxinda: “I will be using that prerogative because I expect New Zealanders will want me to show leadership on that issue.”
  
  MSM: Labour has announced plans for extensive roll-out of rail services around the wider Auckland region. But critics point out the demand isn’t there, what do you say to that?
  
  Taxinda: “I will be using that prerogative because I expect New Zealanders will want me to show leadership on that issue.”
  
  As well as rolling out “show me the money” question in the upcoming leader’s debates, Bill English may as well also roll out “show me the details”!
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:31am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And the article this Morning on the herald by Andrew Dickens is about that very thing. How labour is popular all about the feels, but that have no policy or detail on taxes and answer every question with one of the brush off answers you describe. The gist of the article is Labour hasn’t got any policy. So that would be a bad headline for labour you would think. Instead it’s a smiley photo of the primeministerial toothpaste model and headline Ardern, Policy and the Hyenas Waiting to Pick Her Bones. Protraying Jacinda as the victim?! What about “Ardern has she got any policy?” or “How much tax please miss?”
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:38am
Captain Mainwaring

We need a car analogy for the various political ‘leaders’, so here it is:

Bill English: Toyota.
Low on charisma but strongly-built, steady and reliable, does what it says on the tin, no surprises, history of strength and dependability, to be trusted.

Jacinda Ardern: Alfa Romeo.
Sexy styling, exciting image, great showroom appeal, but things don’t fit too well under the gleaming surface and there will be major problems when the warranty expires.

Winston Peters: Holden.
Past its prime but still has nostalgic appeal to befuddled traditionalists who failed to notice that the world has moved on from protectionism.

James Shaw: used import Nissan Leaf on the side of the road with a flat battery:
Doesn’t deserve a car analogy as the man can’t even drive, but if he did this would be it.

Te Ururoa Flavell: Mercedes-Benz.
Nothing but the best for the figurehead of the Waitangi gravy train..

Gareth Morgan: Saab:.
A failed car company which is about as eccentric as he is and as relevant to his politics.

David Seymour: Porsche.
Because if you represent Epsom, that’s the default drive.

Peter Dunne: Morris Marina:
About as stylish as his bow ties, he probably used to drive one and it ended the same way as his party.
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August 23, 2017 8:02am
- cmm
  
  Pretty good try, but…
  
  Gareth Morgan is surely a Trabant: The product of communism, waiting list to get one is ten year, you only take one of these if there is absolutely no choice at all.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:12am
- mikenmild
  
  Be fair – he has two cars – there a mint condition Austin Allegro in the garage. Only a few kms on the clock, as he mainly uses ministerial limos.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:13am
- Chris R
  
  I like the analysis but think I can see Jacinda on a Vespa buzzing around town waving to her young trendy disciples. Riding a scooter would establish her green credentials for those in Labour who have slid across from the sinking Greens. Besides, Vespas are for short quick rides…and not for traversing long distances. Jacinda’s leadership is for a short time not a long time as she herself claims.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:43am
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t Trevor Mallard get stuck on a bollard at parliament in a Morris Marina or some such crap car, not long a go.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:53am
    - pejhay
      
      Ford Mondeo
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:28am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Vespa’s are GREAT! Until it rains, and there will be rain sometime . . .
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:46am
    - Chris R
      
      Reminds me of the joke: “Why is dating a fat girl like riding a moped? Because both can be fun until your friends see you!”
      On every sober measure though, Jacinda is a consummate lightweight. Here’s a poser: If you were ill and making a will would you appoint Jacinda or Bill to be your executor to care for your affairs posthumously?
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:08am
  - KevinH
    
    Nope, Jacinda would go green and blat around on a new shiny electric moped with Metiria hitching a ride on the back.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:03am
  - stiglet
    
    I love the smell of burnt Castor oil in the morning.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:47pm
- Longknives
  
  What about Suzie ‘Chemtrails’ Dawson from the Internet Party?
  Surely she would be some kind of fictional Spy Car from a James Bond film??
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:00am
  - mikenmild
    
    Or Maureen Pugh – does she get around in a homeopathic car made from what’s left after washing a real car?
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:22am
    - GoVege
      
      That’s pretty funny Milky.
      
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      August 23, 2017 6:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Alfa Romeos are notorious for oil leaks, Very moist sumps. Drip, drip, drip….
  
  It’s not that I don’t like Jacinda, but her policies or lack of them is the issue.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:32am
- MrTips
  
  I would’ve thought Jacinda would be a Tesla: few moving parts and only survives because of massive Govt. subsidies….
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:17am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Still trying to work out who is the Ford Pinto.
  
  Ford Pintos were renowned for going off like a firecracker after a bang up the rear end?
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Must be Grant Robertson then.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:28am
  - chris
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9GGDOUDLhc
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:05am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Pinto is also Portuguese slang for “Tiny male genitals”.
    
    When Ford marketed this car to young men in South America it sold like hotcakes everywhere other than Brazil.
    
    Marketing fail.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:13pm
- Liberty
  
  Toyota is the right analogy for Bill.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:36pm
- softail 1450
  
  dunnes probably still driving the morris marina,unless the taxpayer is supplying him with cars in which case it would be a roller…
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:44pm
duggledog

Heard Peter Dunne on Check Point Monday evening.

Dunny reckons National’s gonna take it on the 23rd.

Also basically said Taxinda is not up to the job.

This is significant coming from a guy who spent most of his political career keeping out of the politics of politics.

So, National have come to the conclusion Dunne running = O’Connor winning. At least with Dunne out of the picture, now National has some show of winning Ohariu.

I think Dunne got out because he knows National were finally, actually getting somewhere, and because it’s going to be unbelievably close, and a Labour coalition will put NZ back decades.

Some might call him an ass hole or a fence sitter; I think he’s ultimately Dunne an honourable thing and effectively given the only card he has to the ‘centre right’.

Labour strategists will be spewing.
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August 23, 2017 8:03am
- doggone7
  
  He can’t keep out of the politics of politics now because he’s really pissed off, not just that his day is done but the way it has been done. His display of pique is obvious for any who want to see it.
  
  And how nice the world ‘honourable’ gets an airing.
  
  Spewing gets a mention too. Remember that with him in the Andrea Vance leaks affair?
  
  At the time of the Vance business there was talk of Dunne being beguiled and besotted. And there’s an irony. His end was threatened then by a ‘young’ woman but he survived. And now his end has come because of a ‘young’ woman.
  
  Now though he is your darling, not just an ordinary one though, an Honourable one.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:46am
- Prince
  
  The best part of that segment was the total disbelief in John Campbell’s voice when Dunne said Ardern wasn’t up to it and English would win.
  Campbell’s voice went up 4 octaves.
  He just couldn’t grasp that someone was not totally enchanted with Ardern.
  And when Dunne explained how English was committed to a fact-based social welfare system, rather than Turei-style take what you think you need, Campbell cut the discussion short very quickly.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:57am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Dunne resigns and now starts saying intelligent things?
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:16am
- KevinH
  
  Dunne’s majority in 2014 was only 710 (13569) over Viginia Anderson Lab (12859). Tane Woodley GP came fourth on (2764).
  Brett Hudson recieved ( 6120 ) although the National Party polled overwhelming the highest in Party Votes with ( 18810 ).
  Hudson’s job in 2017 is to garner those party votes for himself which would give him a large majority and secure the seat for National.
  Now that Dunne has stood aside the need to tactically vote in Ohariu is no longer relevant although the Nats will be advising the electorate to two ticks blue to maintain a high party vote turnout.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:15am
Paulus Gnome

Some very good memes from the Izuzreal site using Bridezilla and spawn of Bridzilla as the subject.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/caption-contest-helen-clark-jacinda-adern/#more-329095
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August 23, 2017 8:04am
GazzaW

Expect a raft of bribes from Labour and NZF when they get to open the books today and take a look at the billions of our dollars so carefully stashed away to take care of the inevitable rainy day over the course of nine years .
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August 23, 2017 8:07am
- mikenmild
  
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  Oh, the surpluses are being stashed for a rainy day, are they? Is that why we are being promised tax cuts instead of paying down the huge debt that has been racked up over the last decade?
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:14am
  - GazzaW
    
    Debt is being paid down MnM and that includes the massive legacy left by Labour. We can now cope with another Ch’ch quake or a GFC without going cap in hand to borrow offshore.
    
    Tax cuts or tax increases? The voters will decide on what’s best to do with their money.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Bollocks, not a Labour fan, but National’s 9 years have seen Govt debt rise by 50billion on tail of GFC, has started to fall now, and importantly we have GDP growth to help drive down its impact.
      http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/befu2015/021.htm/befu15-37.gif
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:15pm
      - softail 1450
        
        unfortunately our debt is equal to the US at 103% of gdp compared to 106% for that bankrupted country,thats bad .
        
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        August 23, 2017 3:56pm
      - VicParking
        
        Do you think we should have walked away from CHCH and left it a waste land.
        Do you think we should have let all the Banks go broke and everybodies mortgages be called in.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:01pm
  - srylands
    
    Personally I was fine with the alternative to that debt being run up. But I doubt you would have been. So please stop complaining about it. Or go back and read the 2008 and 2009 economic forecasts and explain how exactly you would have avoided that debt. Oh and then go back and add the earthquake.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      Or even better, go and inspect the record in Hansard from approximately 2008-2011 where many Labour MPs were demanding, in response to the GFC that the Key government should have been borrowing more in a classic prescription of Keynesian pump-priming, as like Australia under Rudd and Gillard. Oh, yes, and Russel Norman was bleating about “quantitative easing”.
      
      Now, some 9 years down the track, who has come out better from the GFC – Aussie…or NZ? Um, and the Minister of Finance who was Key’s right hand man in that period?
      
      Oh, but that means less Kiwis are now going to Aussie/many have returned and house prices have, for the moment risen due to supply-and-demand…so that too is a “crisis”. Can’t please some people… 😉
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:55am
  - Gabby
    
    Pfft we’ll borrow to pay the debt, silly.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:58am
    - rangitoto
      
      Do they take Amex?
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:23am
- doggone7
  
  You reckon there’ll be 11 roads on the bribe list to outdo the other lot?
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    There will be a short delay in announcing those while the Labour Party copies National’s back-of-a-fag-packet method of calculating the benefits of the proposed roading ‘investments’.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:25am
- Chris R
  
  When the Books record a healthy economy how will Jacinda justify tax increases? That’s right: Jacinda is going to undertake the almost biblical task of eradicating child poverty (whatever that actually is?) with OUR $$$$! Where has this amazing creature been hiding all our lives?
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    What’s the health of the economy got to do with it. Are you forgetting your lines?
    Sick economy = need for tax cuts
    Healthy economy = need for tax cuts
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:26am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      As opposed to the left’s lines:
      
      Sick economy: Keynesianism! Spend our way out of it.
      
      Healthy economy: Never heard of Keynes. Who was he? Spend because we can afford it.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:33am
Manolo

The socialist mayor of Florence having a laugh:
https://video.repubblica.it/politica/meeting-rimini-nardella-urla-allah-akbar-al-sindaco-di-venezia-poi-si-scusa-non-volevo-offendere-nessuno/283073/283686
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August 23, 2017 8:09am
kevn

I wonder how many folk vote for the party best for NZ as a whole, rather than what might be best for them personally? With so many bribes on offer, the latter must appeal to some…
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August 23, 2017 8:10am
- mikenmild
  
  Always an interesting question, and one that is difficult to answer, as people have a very human tendency to assume that what is best for them is also best for the country.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:15am
  - mikenmild
    
    Tough crowd today! I should have thought that was a commonplace observation about human nature…
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:40am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    mikenmild, are there two of you posting?
    some of your posts are clean clear and rational, some are not…
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m always interested in bribes.
  Can’t say I’ve noticed much of appeal to little old ladies at the moment.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:44am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Maggy, Winston has been doing the rounds of the retirement villages. My spy tells me he has not only been promising the elderly bribes with greater Gold Card benefits but has turned on the charm for all those lively, elderly with lots of smiles and fun quips.
    
    If you weren’t such an independent thinker you too could be seduced with golden goose promises and taken in by a winning smile and possibly a wink, just for you! ?
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      In truth, bribes aren’t going to be aimed at my demographic.
      
      Seems I have to be alert for what I could lose or be taxed upon:
      Some lot wants my puddy cats…… not getting my vote
      Some lot might charge me for “hoarding” water….not getting my vote
      Some lot expects me to pay for the lazy-bone lads down the road…. not getting my vote
      etc, etc.
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:32am
      - waikatogirl
        
        You’re onto it Maggy. Despite the view of some, a few of us wimmin have enough nouse to suss out the cat haters, the charlatans and those who don’t have our, or the country’s prosperity and best interest at heart. ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:04am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I think it is pretty clear that people mostly vote with their wallets, otherwise the bribes wouldn’t work. Enlightened individuals who put their country first are thin on the ground outside of the productive sector (but they too are selfish in that they understand that they do better if economy is healthy)
  
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  August 23, 2017 2:18pm
oldpark

After watching the Lie-bour Party’s news channel known as TVNZ.Seems the Channels 263 staff employed in the news room ,have come up with a game plan to anoint Angry Andy Little’s replacement. Case in point even the opening gambit has Little’s replacement in front of our present Prime Minister,Bill English.
Even worse the Lie-bour Party have a defacto Propaganda Minister known as Corrin Dann. He spews out the fact with a great snow job,that the water taxes,or any increase in taxes brought in by the new Lie-bour Leader, would not be a problem.
Maybe people like him ,may not be concerned that,nightly with his Lie-bour Party inspired propaganda,that NZ could be headed for a VENEZUELA type of nation ,run by socialists,that know which is best for us.
Heard Little’s replacement even talk about turning NZ into a Republic,just like VENEZUELA ,the country she admires.
One thing perhaps people like her,have forgotten, they still have to win the treasury benches in September.
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August 23, 2017 8:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Two ticks blue then.
  
  Cue Gabby
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:21am
  - GazzaW
    
    5, 4, 3, 2, 1………………….
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:23am
  - cmm
    
    Too early. She only gets up at 10 or so.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:23am
    - starboard
      
      The primary school bell rings at 10am..expect the standard gibberish about then.
      
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      August 23, 2017 8:51am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yeah, that`s when the Orderlys bring around its feeding tube.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:09am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu then.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:05am
    - rangitoto
      
      Gabby was out of bed early today. Is that a record?
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:39am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah the poor wee thing is confused about the date. Daylight saving doesn’t start until next month.
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:09am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      I have to give you a smile for it today 🙂
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:25am
- KevOB
  
  Not if I can help it.
  
  Jacinda, Labour: amateur.
  
  Who is going to be Queen–Grant?
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:36am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:06am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Tulips say you?
      
      How sweet!
      
      Love,
      Sarky xxx
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Helen Clark is the Queen already !
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:24pm
- namron
  
  I have been wondering if Jacinda’s new great mate
  Helen, [who seems to be hovering closely and clingingly] has whispered in Jacinda’s ear, “I am unemployed now and I am rather fond of the sound of that word – PRESIDENT!”
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:29am
  - rangitoto
    
    She isn’t happy with being a mere PUPPETEER.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:42am
- howitis
  
  Perhaps the Man -Ban Party with leaders that swing from angry to ditzy, and other leaders that apologise for being a man are aiming for this side of Venezuela.
  
  wiki:-
  …..This is a list of Venezuela’s official representatives and their placements at the Big Four international beauty pageants, considered the most important in the world. The country has won all four of the pageants with a total of 22 victories:
  
  Seven — Miss Universe titles (1979 • 1981 • 1986 • 1996 • 2008 • 2009 • 2013)
  Six — Miss World titles (1955 • 1981 • 1984 • 1991 • 1995 • 2011)
  Seven — Miss International titles (1985 • 1997 • 2000 • 2003 • 2006 • 2010 • 2015)
  Two — Miss Earth titles (2005 • 2013)
  
  With 22 victorious titles, Venezuela has won more than any other country. Venezuela is also the first country to win all four pageants multiple times. ….
  
  Perhaps toothy smiling women might just distract from the grinding poverty !
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:15am
Dead Earnest

Presumably these people are all happy to pay more for their meat and vegetables?
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August 23, 2017 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  And public transport, petrol/travel, water as well as less money because their taxes are up.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:33am
- Gabby
  
  You mean farmers aren’t going to be rooned? They’ll pass on their costs?
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:09am
Happychappy

It does not bode well for Farmers or National if the polls like the Colmar Brunton are to be believed. The latest One News poll has 59% of voters wanting Farmers and Grower to pay royalties for irrigation supplying them water, so it seems the voter wants Labours tax policy and a change of Government come September 23rd.
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August 23, 2017 8:21am
- Paulus
  
  It is an important part of the Green Party (who ?) who have relentlessly expensively paid for front of house advertising telling us how Farmers are the scourge of New Zealand.
  This kind of left wing propaganda is infectious.
  It has been going since the last election.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:33am
- KevOB
  
  One News poll
  
  From 6 chosen viewers ? Bias.
  
  With so much evident bias in the presentation the Government should be acting against this lefty mouthpiece.
  TV1 interferes in foreign relations too.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:41am
  - Longknives
    
    “One News poll”
    Corin Dann, Corin Dann’s Mum, Katie Bradford and some old fella who services the TVNZ watercooler…
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:05am
- Prince
  
  Thats a dumb poll. I’m sure 60% of voters want Aucklanders to pay for their roads. Word the question to get the result you want. Politics 101.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:42am
  - KevOB
    
    And ask the chosen few.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:40pm
chris

I know a Labour led government will eventually happen again, maybe even this year. Earlier in the year I thought perhaps they wouldn’t be quite so bad, given their talk of no new taxes and spending no more than x percent of GDP. But now they seem to be announcing new taxes left right and centre, but won’t tell us exactly what or how much.
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August 23, 2017 8:22am
- redeye
  
  It’s John Keys fault. He sold all the assets and now they can’t just artificially raise the price of electricity and gouge the dividends to pay for some of their overspends.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:34am
  - GazzaW
    
    The dividends from the 51% Government shareholding Mercury and Meridian are way in excess of the dividends that were earned when both companies were SOEs. This is due to a genuinely competitive market and the mass of efficiencies introduced by both companies since semi-privatisation.
    
    Mercury announced a 15% dividend yesterday. That is massive.
    
    You need to stop swallowing the old Labour Koolaid.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:50am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……….and Air NZ has just announced a record profit.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:01am
      - Paulus
        
        Air NZ are paying a staff bonus of $1,700 per person as well.
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:27pm
      - Piniwi
        
        And how much will they return to the taxpayer after being propped up for so long?
        
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        August 23, 2017 6:51pm
    - Gabby
      
      What are they neglecting in order to pay that dividend guzzla?
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:11am
      - GazzaW
        
        You tell me Gobby. Meridian and Mercury plant is in tiptop shape, Mercury is charging ahead with wind and geothermal energy. In fact both companies use 100% renewable resources. The last I heard Air NZ planes and plant are all state of the art and fuel efficient.
        
        How do I know? Well, I’m a fucken shareholder that’s why and I and tens of thousands of other Kiwis get to collectively hold them to account if they don’t perform.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:38am
      - Gabby
        
        Well guzzla, on behalf of taxpayers, you’re welcome.
        
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        August 23, 2017 3:05pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not to mention that since the semi-privatisation power prices have actually gone DOWN.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:19am
      - GazzaW
        
        It’s called competition Captain but the Labour nancies have no clues about that concept.
        
        Their idea was to have a Government body (no doubt run by Labour party favourites and union heavies) buy the power off the SOEs and redistribute to use, the long suffering consumer, after taking their own slice off the top. Usual socialist crap.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:39am
    - redeye
      
      It was a sarcastic comment about Labour hiding tax increases as electricity price increases. I made no comment about the benefits or pitfalls os selling the assets. Sorry it wasn’t clear enough for you GazzaW.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:43am
      - GazzaW
        
        I should have picked that up redeye. Apologies. You brought a very valid point to the fore.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:50am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Yes you caught me too and I down ticked before I realised it was sarcasm
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Red Eye, Contact Energy was privatised in 1998 and 1999. This started the privatisations. John Key wasn’t Prime Minister until November 2008.
    
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    August 23, 2017 4:38pm
- kowtow
  
  You get a Labour govt and you’ll get all the international socialist baggage that goes along with it.
  For starters they’ll up the refugee intake.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:38am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes, but which was the last government to increase it? Did that make you happy?
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Also Liabor will increase international aid and sign NZ up to every expensive UN agreement.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:10am
  - Gabby
    
    Well the population’s bigger now. How did that happen, I hear you ask.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:44pm
- srylands
  
  Yes I recall DPF blogging that the fiscal fesoisibity pledge was a game changer.
  
  It seems to have melted away.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:21am
cmm

I heard a great tip for saving money on vegetables.

If cabbages do go up in price due to water tax then buy supermarket deli coleslaw instead.
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August 23, 2017 8:23am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Price per kilo for pre packaged (deli) foods is higher because of the additional processing and added ingredients. You will just pay more for less product.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    Woosh!
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:35am
    - Lance
      
      Better duck
      
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      August 23, 2017 8:38am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      I see cmm that your petty put down is giving you a real confidence boost today I see.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:46am
  - realityczech
    
    Yes but the price does not fluctuate like cabbage prices do and there is less wastage. Same deal with frozen veges.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:40am
  - Prince
    
    But when NZ First take GST off ‘fresh food’, does that include these packaged veggies ? I think we need another commission to sort this out.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:44am
    - KevOB
      
      I believe that issue has already arisen in Australia.
      In a mixed product it is possible that some part could be taxable but not others.
      
      Don’t stuff up a simple practical working GST system.
      
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      August 23, 2017 8:48am
  - KevOB
    
    And in one supermarket I purchased from during the past year the deli department stuff was stale.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:45am
  - kowtow
    
    “Added ingredients”. Including what’s been coughed onto it by the highly trained, skilled process worker.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:40am
- VicParking
  
  The market garderners will be paying more for the water to put on their cabbages so coldslaw will be goldslaw.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:35am
- starboard
  
  Im with ya cmm..lol.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:54am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The bloke who gave CMM that great tip is the same man who said;
  “Don’t vote. The government always wins!”
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:58am
  - cmm
    
    It was actually a bloke I saw camping in the desert.
    
    He said that if he runs out of water he’ll just drink coffee.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:08am
- rangitoto
  
  Under Labour the poor can eat cake. No need for cabbage.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:47am
Sarkozygroupie

Barcelona Terrorist Attack was Preventable:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10887/barcelona-attack
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August 23, 2017 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Not really.
  
  They wanted to kill people.
  
  If the bollards had been there to stop a vehicle attack they would have just used their bombs.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:37am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Well with that sort of attitude you should just pack up and go home now then. Let them do whatever they want. They are going to do it anyway so who gives a fuck.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:40am
    - cmm
      
      No. They need to deal with the problem.
      
      Hint: The problem is not a lack of bollards, nor is it that shops sell kitchen knives.
      
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      August 24, 2017 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  Preventable?
  
  Yep , by not allowing Muslim migrants.
  
  Too late for Europe, the new normal.
  
  A big thank you to the treacherous political class.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:42am
Paulus

I am beginning to become actually concerned over Cinderella’s progress.
Whilst the PREFU is today it appears that Labour have turned a sharp left already irrespective.
CGT for example even Andy said no way.
All I am hearing from her is how “I” am going to tax you.
When actually questioned she is flaky and waffles, obviously she does not have an intelligent clue without asking somebody.
After nine years in opposition she surely should have some semblance of understanding of facts.
Being in Opposition is where you can waffle irrelevances with no substance as long as you embarrass the Government.
Winston knows this better than Cindy.
Whilst this does not suit her projection of her socialist state.
Of course none of her colleagues have ever been a Minister with Departmental responsibilities she, when elected will find a reality shock of having to deal, nevertheless with partisan people in various Departments, who will run professional rings round any untested and unknown Minister.
Cannot see this bodes well for New Zealand (aka in the future as Aotearoa).
We are a trading nation doing very well in the World – I cannot but see that Cindy’s personal prejudices will help our country in the future.
She is very left wing politically bound with dummies along for the ride (in BMW limousines).
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August 23, 2017 8:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It’s not Jacinda’s progress though. With each passing day it is becoming more apparent whose agenda is being pursued. And that is scary.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:48am
  - calendar girl
    
    Spell it out – Helen Clark is all over this Labour campaign.
    
    Her reward if it comes off? First President of the New Zealand Republic?
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:24am
    - GazzaW
      
      Correction. First President of the Peoples Socialist Republic of Aotearoa.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:36am
      - RF
        
        Don’t forget… if the snow flake gets in, Clark will be her H2.
        
        Now that’s bloody scary as apart from dragging us into a socialist society both have teeth like Hadrians Wall. I can see a horror film script being written.
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:01pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      The Greens presumably want Copresidents. A Boy and a Girl.
      
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      August 24, 2017 5:40pm
- chris
  
  I really don’t want to see a Labour-led government, but it would be funny watching her completely out of her depth as PM. If she thinks some of the questions she’s getting from the media at the moment are too hard, …
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:04am
  - Longknives
    
    Her disciples over at The Standard are outraged that Jacinda is being asked ‘Hard Questions’ by the Media…
    Jesus Christ how is their little precious going to cope in the Big Chair?
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:08am
  - GazzaW
    
    As much as I detest Clark at least she had done the hard yards as an elected MP and a Cabinet Minister and had a great understanding of Parliament. Taxinda has only just become an elected MP and zero experience as a Minister – how the hell can she possibly cope as PM?
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:41am
holysheet

The fable of Taxcinderella.

Once not so long ago, in the land of the Kiwi, there lived a not so pretty girl by the name of Taxcinderella. She had the charm of a rattlesnake, all fur coat and no knickers.

It came to pass, that Kiwiland was in the midst of an election. The political climate was, to say the least, a little bit confused. The gween melon party had just imploded with their vile tubby co-leader having to resign because she proudly admitted to be a fraud, thief and a liar. All turn offs in the eyes of good hard working kiwis. The rest of the bludging population referred her as a hero. This left the wimp of a man, Jamie in the unenviable position of trying to get back the support from the leftie dumb arses, who formed the gweens support base.

Taxcinderella had just been appointed the leader of the Liabore party at the resignation of Little Angry. He was the anointed one by the union bosses. He quickly found he was not up to the job, so he chucked it in and Taxcinderella took over as the leader. “I am not here for a long time, only a good time,” was her mantra.

At first, Taxcinderella was the media darling. With Hellun, the ugly sister in the background, Taxcinderella could do no wrong. Then the bouffant liabore whore leader of United Last saw the writing on the wall. Knowing that he would finally lose his electorate seat, chucks in the towel and resigns. Thinking it’s better to go now rather than suffer the humiliation of defeat.

Waiting in the wings, was the Winston First party, lead by a drunken dwarf, who was eyeing up Taxcinderella as a potential lover. This he hoped to cement by a shotgun marriage between the Liabores and Winston Firsts. This drunken dwarf would awake each morning and look in his pseudo gilt mirror and ask who is the fairest in the land of kiwi. In the background was the lingering stench of the previous nights’ booze. The drunken dwarf had made so many demands, calling them his bottom lines. Nobody believed he would keep them and he certainly didn’t expect to be in a position to deliver on any.

Also on the scene was a recent arrival, Gareth Tops. He was a little spoilt rich kid who had money for brains and nothing else. He hated cats with a vengeance. These two suitors for the unfair hand of Taxcinderella, both knew they would have to give up the reigns of power, to end up in bed with her.

Meanwhile, the incumbent government of the Nats, ably lead by Billy Blinglish, was going about the business of governing a stable country. They had been slowly pissing off their support base by pandering to the natives at every turn. The voting public had a very difficult choice to make. Continue down the Nats line of slowly as she goes, whilst at the same time, yielding control to the natives, or vote for the rabble that would be a co-boat of the left.

Taxcinderella had a very difficult time ahead of her as the election loomed closer and closer. The ugly aunt was determined to get revenge on the electorate, for her defeat at the hands of the Nats 9 years ago. Added to this was her recent defeat at the hands of the UN, who selected a real male to lead their shitty organisation. It appears the world was not yet ready for a UN lead by a lgbtwhateverthefuck you are person.

Despite all the promises of free stuff, expensive train sets, raising taxes and all the other flaky stuff, Taxcinderella and her co-boat rabble lost the election. The country stuck to the, better what you know works party, for another 3 years. Poor Taxcinderella was jilted at the alter and slunk off to the chippy were she poured salt on the fish and chips of her beloved Morrinsville farmers.
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August 23, 2017 8:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Brilliant holysheet.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:37am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:52am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:16am
    - Paulus
      
      I know I am an ignoramus but again what does Tulixpu stand for ?
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s how you pronounce
        Two ticks blue
        when you have a speech impediment.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:48pm
      - holysheet
        
        when you have a ~~speech~~ brain impediment.
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:41pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Salt on the land as well.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:02am
cas

So under Jacinda’s capital gains tax which she won’t confirm, a guy or girl could buy an old wreck of a car, spend years doing it up and sell it as a Classic Car and get taxed as having made a capital gain. Doesn’t seem fair to me.
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August 23, 2017 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  If they live in it for less than five years they will also pay developer tax.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:37am
- holysheet
  
  What about living in it? All Cindys support base are living in cars. Do these become eligible for CGT?
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:47am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Reduced value probably.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:04am
oldpark

Capital Gain Tax ,not a problem,say most of us,as the promise by the socialist woman ,that the family home would not be involved.
Well we better not get too complacement, on that type of tax.Give us your vote says she,and after the election,that is when the Capital Gain Taxes,or ambush will be revealed.
Just a couple of nasties,in their proposed smogasboard of new taxes.
An inheritance tax,or better known as the “dead granny tax”.If a person inherits a house from granny or poppa,no tax,except if they sell it Capital Gains Tax would then apply. That is how it was designed by Lie-bour and their cohorts at the 2014 election,which thankfully they didnt win.
Another tax,how about stamp duty,and gift duty tax,which the socialist Lie-bour Party favour.
Lie-bours bag of tax tricks will be endless should they get people to vote them in next month,by way of virtually giving them a blank cheque, to change the well being of many hard working NZ Taxpayers.
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August 23, 2017 8:34am
- fluffykiwi
  
  With all those issues regarding relationship property, those family homes gifted to a family trust will end up taxed as it is not personally owned. There are a lot of those around.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:45am
  - Gabby
    
    Good. Sneaky trick that.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:19am
Richard

I am trying to keep up with Queen-in-waiting Jacinda’s new taxes…opps I mean brilliant, generational change policies.

So far I’ve got:
Tax-Water use (opps.. I mean royalty).
Tax Emissions (to now include farmers).
Tax- 10c extra on fuel on Aucklanders.
Tax-Capital gains
Tax-new higher tax rate on higher earners (anyone earning $120K and above).
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August 23, 2017 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Richard,
  You forgot the cancellation of the tax reductions for everyone already announced by National.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:39am
  - KevOB
    
    I haven’t.
    National got it correct. The base increases are needed and welcomed.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Why doesn’t Winston in his Retirement Villages visits tell the superannuitants that they are not going to get their increase due to tax reductions in April.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:23am
- Lance
  
  Better duck
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:39am
  - Lance
    
    The comment above wasn’t meant to go here?
    Something weird going on.
    Can’t delete either
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:41am
- VicParking
  
  Also don’t forget the 100,000 houses to be built by the teenagers who will travel to work on free buses and flat in the houses left vacant by the 100,000 asian builders sent home because their work visa’s will be cancelled.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:43am
  - Gabby
    
    They’ll be used by the asian builders’ asian aircrew cuzzies vicbarking.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:31am
- Paulus
  
  Look at how many Public Servants both National and Local get paid over $120,000.
  Tauranga alone has over 25% of its staff over $100,000 and the tops are over $300,000.
  Auckland % is even greater I understand and up to $700,000 for the CEO.
  They will want more money to pay for the increased taxes for Cinderella to spend.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:21am
  - Gabby
    
    The Health coe must rake in a packet. He doesn’t even have to talk to the peasantry any more.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:39pm
lastmanstanding

Anyone else figured how convenient Clark turned up just as Jacinda took on the Leadership. Whats the betting Clark was working in the background to get rid of Angry.

Jacinda is a Clark glove puppet. If God help us Labour get to occupy the Treasury benches Clark will be running the show along with a gaggle of bitches on broomsticks all out to destroy white males who have some coin.

Because folks thats always been the long term plan. To destroy white males and install the feminazi in all positions of power.

You read it here first.
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August 23, 2017 8:39am
- VicParking
  
  Remember one day after the election the unions take control of the Labour party once again. As the tooth fairy has an electorial seat Andy really only move down one place on the list and one place in the pecking (tearing and ripping) order.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:47am
  - RF
    
    I think the correct name for the snow flake is a “stalking horse.”
    
    The plan is for her to win and then after a suitable time withdraw for perhaps maternity reasons allowing Angry to slip into her seat under the watchful eye of the new H2 back from the UN.
    
    Done and dusted… and that’s our lot……
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:09pm
- Prince
  
  Labour obviously think having Clark back for the election is a good thing.
  Most voters have a shudder of recognition and remember why we voted her out last time.
  The media are in awe of her, but voters, not so much.
  
  This is a bad mistake from Labour.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And yesterday we had Jacindazilla going on about a (banana) republic, no doubt with Comrade Clark as President for life.
  Christ on a bike, our voters had better come to their senses, and fast.
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:27am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !!! !!
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:33am
srylands

I am looking to put one of my houses on the market. I think I should get on with it. I can feel a chill coming.
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August 23, 2017 8:40am
- Manolo
  
  Do it, be quick, before the Labour thieves tax you more.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  Ditto here. I’m putting one of our two cars up for sale. My partner and six kids will move into the other one.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:49am
- Gabby
  
  Crikey sly, will that leave enough parking space for the porsche collection.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:34am
- Paulus
  
  I am reviewing my retirement savings to go short as with a Labour/Winston/Green Government I expect interest rates for savings to shoot up along with large Mortgage rate increases.
  KiwiSavers will get a hiccough as the return on the shares will lose ground as profits reduce along with staff layoffs.
  All the good over the last five years will be quickly destroyed with socialist mental ideas that our little Commie has for us.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:29am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Nah waste of time, they will back date the tax to cover any property sold in the last 9 years.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:42am
Linda Reid

Let me see if I have this straight. Labour wants to overhaul our tax system – hmmm could be a good idea – There are things I would change if I had a chance… What does Labour want to change?
Well, they won’t tell us.
They have a water tax, capital gains tax, wealth tax, asset tax, land tax, etc, all on the table as new sources of revenue for the government – and they will cancel the planned income tax reductions legislated for in 2018.
They won’t tell us how much extra tax they will suck from the productive sector.
Correct me if I’m wrong (you know you want to!) but when National was campaigning in 2008 they told us exactly what they would do if elected and then they did it. They did do a switch-a-roo with GST and income tax but it was revenue neutral so we can forgive them for that. In 2011 they again told us exactly what they planned to do (partial asset sales) and then did it. No surprises, no secrets.
This is not an argument about whether what they did was the right thing or not – it’s about saying clearly what the plan is and then delivering actions that are consistent with the plan they campaigned on.
In 1999 did Labour campaign on getting rid of appeals to the Privy Council and setting up our own Supreme Court? Nope – but they did it anyway. Did they campaign on dismantling the fighter wing of the Air Force? Nope, but they did it anyway.
The truth is we have NO IDEA what a Labour-led government would do. Except we KNOW they will increase our taxes – almost certainly making the system more complicated – and we KNOW they will mess with or close down charter schools.
What Labour do have is a fresh, new face to tell everyone they have the answers – vote for Labour on trust – but either they won’t tell us what the answers are, or they simply have no idea what to do.
Bill English has been criticised for being boring and praised for giving us a growing economy, targeted spending on the health sector and the disadvantaged that makes a difference.
Jacinda Adern has been criticised for being having no management or cabinet experience and praised for her optimism and great handling of the media.
Fact is one of these people will be Prime Minister after the election.
We know what we will get with Bill English. We actually have no idea what we will get with Jacinda Adern.
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- fluffykiwi
  
  You will get someone wo has a rush of blood to the head and with all the adoration piled on her by the MSM and other airheads who will suddenly think she can walk on water and anything she does will turn to gold.
  As far as the gold is concerned I suppose the Tax take will be the gold as far as she is concerned.
  Arrogance will take over, a bit like celebrities think their every utterance is of immense value and intelligence.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:49am
- KevOB
  
  Labour in ignorance would go only where the wise refuse to go. Tax schemes are not for amateurs. People don’t wish to pay taxes so they have to be collectable despite that.
  
  Are they seeking to start an internal war between “their people” and the “the rest”? The idea of taxing the rural sector is highly divisive. The raft of other taxes suggested speaks of their amateurness and unfitness for government. SJW’s cannot run a country: they might manage a cake stall at a school fair.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy’s “relentless positivity” is an excellent asset when performing as a DJ to a group of dancing youf.
  Being Prime Minister requires more in than that.
  
  Show us the money Cindy!! We demand policy details before the election. It’s called responsibility.
  
  You’re not a DJ now Cindy. ?
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:55am
  - MCos
    
    To my mind a far more important consideration is the calibre of team the next PM will lead. He/she can have the flashiest ideas in the world, but that’s not much good if the cabinet doesn’t perform.
    
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    August 23, 2017 4:23pm
Happychappy

Political commentators are saying the interview to be PM yesterday on the Herald by Jacinda that there was a focus on the word “I” by her when speaking of her desire for the top job and not a lot of “we “. now no mater what anyone does in life most have been taught at school or in the home by your parents that there is no letter I in the word team to get ahead and be successful it helps to remember those words. So lets hope the Labour leader remembers that the country is led by a team and fronted by wise ones.
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August 23, 2017 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  How often did she say comrade?
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:50am
Anne Glen Eden

I remember the day I stopped voting for Helen Clarke. It was shortly after helping her get elected. It was hearing her definition of democracy – or not.

She said, “I’m not going to find a crowd and run to the front of it. I’m going to lead and have people follow.”

Now that may sound all sorts of ‘noble’ but it means:

I’m not part of the ‘crowd’ – being the electorate – and have nothing in common with them.

I don’t believe the electorate should have any part in determining the governance of the country.

I’m going to force the electorate to go where it doesn’t want to go but I want it to.

You know? Labour haven’t changed. Ardern’s terminology is:

“Ardern … saying it was the job of a Government to make hard decisions that might not be popular but would make a difference.”

I will not vote for Labour until they return to true representative democracy, acknowledging the right of voters to determine how they are governed.

It’s all reflected in Andrew Dicken’s comments on her ‘interview’ by the NZ Herald:

“Ardern kept well away from policy.
Capital gains tax? Let’s form a working group. Again.

A republic? Let’s start the conversation. Again.

TPP? Say whatever you want as the thing is in limbo. So let’s make it about housing, not trade.

Immigration? She doesn’t like to fixate on numbers and she assured business that they’d have the migrants their industry would need.

It was a masterclass in saying nothing at all, while seeming to be confident and ready to lead.

Remember, she has a degree in communications and PR, and she’s pretty good at it.
She knows people are leery of her party and their fondness for tax, particularly when they use it to socially engineer, so let’s kick it down the road and keep the conversation on feelings, not policy.”

‘Youth and women’ may relate to her imagery but they would be foolish to believe that Labour are going to ‘represent’ them or anyone else. They have ideology and agenda they will implement whether anyone likes it or not and don’t care whether anyone likes it or not.

And currently, they’re being experts at not stating what they are. Once, if, they get into power – no-one but the small intellectual elite will have any say at all – and you can believe, many won’t like what they do – or they would put it clearly to the people to begin with and be bound by their choice.
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August 23, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  Well said once again
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:51am
- Huevon
  
  Exactly. Whenever lefties want to start a conversation or have a dialogue, your guaranteed at the end of it to have less freedom and a lighter wallet.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:00am
  - chris
    
    Well they never do actually have a conversation, do they? They’ll set up some working group with people they appoint who will tell them exactly what they want to hear.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:10am
  - Peter
    
    Yes, having a “dialogue” or “discussion” is patronising nonsense. It’s their illusion of democracy. In the end, they just do what they intended to do all along.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:21am
- Chris R
  
  Aren’t her constant references to “needing a working-group” an open admission that she can’t do the job. Where is her ability to make decisions? Where is her resolution and durability? Nowhere to be found!
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:02am
  - mikenmild
    
    Absolutely. John Key’s tax working group and the 2020 taskforce were different…
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:47am
  - Gabby
    
    Making decisions sounds outside my area of priministerial responsibilty. Bingles made a decision once but hardly anyone noticed. Now he just loses stuff.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:34pm
- KevOB
  
  You nailed it.
  
  The Aspirant’s skill at dodging is becoming very evident. She’s showing her dangerous side now: that J. believes she is above wrong. That was HC’s position too. J. can position her self with the best of them; facts and truth are irrelevant as the way has already been discerned. ~~Venezuela here we come.~~ (Too outrageous an idea.)
  
  This could be the most critical election in 50 years.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:53am
  - Gabby
    
    The most important general election
    IN
    my lifetime.
    
    You are Wheresa May and I claim my strong and stable 2/6.
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:30pm
NK

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909168

Good on Stephen Berry for calling it like it is.

And shame on the haters for trying to ban speech they don’t like.
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August 23, 2017 8:50am
- VicParking
  
  I dont like you not liking people who dont like people who dont like what others say.
  NK where is you statue my organisation “Haters of haters for hating haters” will tear it down…..
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:55am
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHt6dZBV0AAaZZZ?format=jpg&name=large
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:17am
realityczech

I never really hated the one true god
But the god of the people I hated

Disposable Teens
Marilyn Manson
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August 23, 2017 9:02am
EAD_TWO

The powerful forces trying to shut down Winston have been seen before.

“We will not allow to become a political issue in this country the question of Asianisation.” – Bob Hawke

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum….”
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August 23, 2017 9:02am
- mikenmild
  
  How would you Nazis ensure lively debate was preserved under a Fourth Reich?
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:54am
  - starboard
    
    Fuck off bellend
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:14am
    - mikenmild
      
      5.00 am in Bangkok. It’s a bit early to be pretending you live there…
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:34am
      - starboard
        
        Phuket felcher
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:59am
lastmanstanding

Remember 40% dont pay a net income tax and another 20% pay very little. So they dont care about tax increases they aint gonna hit their net pocket.

So the Left can promise tax increases and these people vote for them thinking they are gonna get some of the extra which they will.

Only 40% pay real income tax and 80% of all income tax is paid by 15% of tax payers.

So a big incentive to vote for Labour/Green/NZF.

And thats without the Jacinda effect.

IMHO the race is too close to call and will also be after 23 Sept as Luigi shuffles backwards and forwards seeking his best deal.

Both of them will spread their legs and wave them in the air anything to retain power and control over the sheeple who populate NZ
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August 23, 2017 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  The joy of universalism.
  By the simple act of voting you get to empower envious ,devious politicians who will steal other people’s wealth and efforts, and you get that by doing virtually nothing.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:19am
- Gabby
  
  How many of the 40% are superannuitants lostmongurning.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Tax is paid on Government Superannuation idiot.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:37pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      It’s debatable that any net beneficiary of govt derived income (including all civil servants) pays tax – they are just being paid slightly less than the announced amount. And their selfish preference is for the govt to tax more and send more of it their way. Unlike productive net tax payers who are generally in the less tax camp.
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:32pm
    - Gabby
      
      Every fuckwit knows that puller. Case in point.
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:54pm
chris

So Jacinda wants to have a conversation about becoming a republic? Well thats’s beset with a rather large conundrum for the leftie SJW types.

They like to consider that the Treaty of Waitangi is our founding document and all legislation etc needs to take it into account. The problem is that the ToW is between the Maori Chiefs and the British Crown. If we were to become a republic then they’ll have to tear up the ToW and, most probably, have to resettle all the “full and final” settlements again.

Maybe they can turn us into a republic at the same time as taxing water (whoops, I mean charging a royalty) so the gravy train only needs one more “full and final” settlement and not two?
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August 23, 2017 9:14am
- Peter
  
  The TOW will become the founding document of the republic.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:16am
  - srylands
    
    Yes exactly. And it will be the Republic of Aotearoa
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:46am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s useless for that .
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:01am
    - Peter
      
      Hasn’t stopped it thus far.
      
      Remember, with the left, it’s **all** about the feels. If it feels good for the TOW to be the founding document, it will be.
      
      Reasoning is a old, stale white man construct
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:26am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Will we e able to use the term ‘royalty’ when we are a Republic? 😉
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:40am
- Huevon
  
  If NZ becomes a republic, we will still be handing over stacks of Koha to the Special People. The legalities are window dressing.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Geoffrey Palmer will be special Minister for the Formation of the Republic.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:39pm
    - starboard
      
      I thought he was dead? Probably just looks dead.
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:44pm
- realityczech
  
  In an ideal world I would like us to be a republic. However no one in power has the guts to make all people equal in law. Any attempt at creating a republic will result in the Maori taking power and a system of apartheid.
  
  Apartheid is a proven system and works great for brown people, just not if they are in charge. That results in poverty and violence.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:31am
  - mikenmild
    
    What political system works best for yellow people?
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:33am
    - realityczech
      
      What ever one they like milky. They are not big on all this equality of races bullshit either. Seems to be working just fine for the Japanese. Not so well for the Sudanese though.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:01am
- rangitoto
  
  As someone mentioned above “have a conversation” means we are going to tell you.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:58am
EAD_TWO

Judging by my Facebook feed, the issue dominating public debate seems to be whether sodomites should be able to join the ancient tradition of marriage.

If Australia permits homosexual marriage, we will then finally have reached the high point of civilisation in that men who insert their member up another man’s colon, can now have the same social standing as those in the union that is given special status as it is they who raise the next generation.

Forward Soviet.
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August 23, 2017 9:17am
- Gruffydd
  
  Why are the right wing nuts so focused on putting things up mens bums ?
  I can understand Catholics as sex with a priest seems to be a rite of passage for their religion.
  But what is the fascination for Nazis, Trumpies, and other types of right wing loon?
  
  Sorry must remember EAD the Nazi is a socialist according to modern rwnj interpretation..
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:26am
  - itstricky
    
    I think we’ll find a clue in the ultimate virtue signal:
    
    sodomites
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:36am
  - Fletch
    
    Why are the right wing nuts so focused on putting things up mens bums ?
    
    Because “love is love”, or something, and the only way two men can “make love” is for one person to put his procreative organ in the orifice designed to evacuate waste – essentially the “sewer line” of the body. It is a very strange way of saying “I love you”.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:13pm
- srylands
  
  I think you mean rectum rather than colon.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    Perhaps EAD has large ambitions…
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:05am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Exaggeration?
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:08am
- realityczech
  
  EAD the filthy hellbound sodomite god hating abominations have gotten very uppity now Reverend Phelps has gone to heaven.
  
  I think God is sending you a clear message to step-up and carry on his good works.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:36am
big bruv

It appears that the sickening trend of virtue signalling has finally reached across into sports.
I can think of no other reason why there is saturation coverage of the horrendous female rugby world cup. The level of coverage this minor tournament is attracting cannot be due to the skill being displayed by these females as there is none. The quality of the game is less that what one would expect to see in an primary school game.
If the tournament has any value at all it is as a freak show.
Sky wonder why they are losing 38,000 subscribers, when they offer up crap like the female rugby world cup as a premium product and promote it far beyond its appeal or quality level then it is not hard to see why they are losing subscribers in such vast numbers.
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August 23, 2017 9:24am
- calendar girl
  
  And why do they insist on calling this team the “Black Ferns”? When they wear on their jerseys a white fern?
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:37am
  - mikenmild
    
    Well, why do we call the men’s team that All Black when they also wear a white fern?
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:06am
    - sooty
      
      And do some dancing before each game.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:04am
    - calendar girl
      
      Fairly obvious I would have thought, mm. Their uniforms are ‘all black’, with small white embellishments – including the fern.
      
      The men’s team is actually called the “All Blacks”, not the unfamiliar name the you use which might convey a slightly different connotation.
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:57pm
  - Gabby
    
    Because the jerseys are BLACK and on them are FERNS?
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:26pm
- Prince
  
  Nonsense. The rugby played is highly skilled. Similarly the recent women’s World Cup was very good viewing.
  The rate of improvement in both these sports is quite remarkable.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:56am
  - Longknives
    
    “Nonsense. The rugby played is highly skilled.”
    
    Bollocks- Only the England and New Zealand teams play with any degree of skill.
    I’m afraid the rest of the teams there are mainly University Students on a piss trip..
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:34am
- mikenmild
  
  If it upsets you so much to see successful NZ rugby teams, might I suggest you:
  stop watching rugby; and
  STFU
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:07am
- realityczech
  
  They should wear bikinis and play in really muddy conditions.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:37am
  - Longknives
    
    Dear God No…Have you seen them?
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:03am
  - dime
    
    only if you and i can be the selectors… for all teams
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:39pm
Richard

Well..er..um (cough, cough) black ferns might mean..well..er..no I won’t say it.

Nurse! I need my pills! Now please!
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August 23, 2017 9:47am
- srylands
  
  No explain. I need to know.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:48am
rightoverlabour

WTF

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/96033791/renters-v-landlords-the-argument-for-regulation
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August 23, 2017 9:48am
realityczech

What are the various political parties doing about our energy security ? Without affordable energy on demand we can not possibly grow our economy, not to mention stay warm in winter. Already the poor and elderly are dying needlessly due to energy poverty and no party seems concerned.

The developed nations are moving towards increased use of coal , which is a resource we have in abundance. Why are our coal mines sitting idle while people die and businesses face crippling energy costs ?

France and Germany Turn to Coal

Last month, generation from fossil fuels was the highest in 32 years in France and nuclear generation was the lowest since 1998. As a result, French month-ahead power prices escalated to near the highest levels since 2009.

Germany is replacing its nuclear units with renewable energy (wind and solar) as part of its energy transition, the so-called Energiewende. It is using mainly coal to back-up its intermittent renewable energy and as a result, it has increased its coal-fired generation. Due to the higher cost of wind and solar units, residential electricity prices have escalated and are 3 times that of the United States.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/france-germany-turn-coal/

Clearly windmills don’t cut it and are not viable even with massive subsidies. If the consumer had to pay what it actually costs then “alternative” [chuckle] energy would result in domestic power bills of around 5k a month and good luck trying to run a manufacturing business.

Dams are good but the green groups oppose them due to political reasons. The West Coast has a rail system, coal mines and a willing workforce desperate for employment, all ready to go. We need to plan for our future and open the mines while building a gigantic coal burning power plant. Jobs and prosperity will follow.
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August 23, 2017 9:52am
- Gruffydd
  
  Oh look it coal boy.
  Sorry to have to remind you yet again.
  
  Your style of fuckwittery cost the NZ tax payer $250,000,000 when solid energy went bust .
  
  You are just as stupid gibbering for obsolete technology as the leftys are with choo choo trains.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:02am
  - realityczech
    
    Yeah cause Germany and Japan are soooo backward eh ?
    
    Solid energy tried to make money selling coal in a saturated market. My plan is we keep it local and use our coal to power our country and economy.
    
    Coal is a natural organic product so is carbon neutral. The CO2 produced came from the atmosphere and we are simply liberating it. It is a win/win solution.
    
    It is time to get serious about this and stop pissing around with windmills.
    
    Japanese government planning to build 45 new coal fired power stations to diversify supply
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:11am
    - Gruffydd
      
      If you had an once of sense you wouldn’t make wild unsupportable claims for cost.
      
      5k a month for electricity .
      
      I use solar of grid it cost me 5 k for a decade worth of power. Then its time for new batteries about $2,000 over another decade.
      
      Japan and Germany have closed down their nuclear plants due to the Fukushima melt down.
      They are building coal as a quick and fast fix
      While they both continue to roll out renewable at an exponential rate.
      
      Chinese firms are building coal plants all around the world because their domestic construction industry is finished building coal plants. China is rolling out more solar than the rest of the world combined.
      
      We have a renewable electricity grid .
      Why would we go back to a dirty expensive unreliable technology from the 1800’s.?
      
      NZ has a long thin coast line with exceptional capacity for wind energy.
      We also have resources available for the expansion of geothermal energy capacity.
      
      Building new coal plants is not going to happen in NZ unless some commie idiot decides the government should pay.
      Back to the $250,000,000 already blown on your stupid love for dirty black rocks.
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:43am
      - realityczech
        
        I am a big fan of small scale alternative energy. So called – off the grid – systems. Good on you.
        
        I am talking about large scale industrial energy production suitable for a modern technological society.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:46am
      - Gruffydd
        
        No you are talking the normal halfwitted unsupportable bullshite I expect from someone with some major issues with realty.
        
        Solar power is on pace for the first time this year to contribute more new electricity to the grid than will any other form of energy – a feat driven more by economics than green mandates.
        
        The cost of electricity from large-scale solar installations now is comparable to and sometimes cheaper than natural gas-fired power, even without incentives aimed at promoting environmentally friendly power, according to industry players and outside cost studies.
        
        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-solar-costs-idUSKCN0ZL0DA
        
        A new contract signed by a utility in Arizona has set a new low price for large-scale solar power in that country, but more importantly has also smashed expectations of the combined cost of large-scale solar and battery storage.
        
        Tucson Electric Power (TEP) this week announced it would buy solar energy from a new 100MW solar plant at the historically low price of less than US3c/kWh – less than half of what it had agreed to pay in similar contracts over the last few years.
        
        The project will also include 30MW/120MWh of battery storage, and the company says that the power purchase agreement for the combined output is “significantly less” than US4.5c/kWh – nearly two-thirds cheaper than the previous such contract struck in Hawaii, and well below the cost of a gas-fired peaking plant.
        
        Solar is going to get even cheaper .
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:27am
      - realityczech
        
        Great. But why the subsidies then ? Why are all the major industrial countries undertaking a massive building program of coal fired power stations ?
        
        Why why why why ? You don’t say why ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘No you are talking the normal halfwitted unsupportable bullshite I expect from someone with some major issues with realty.’
        
        Issues with “realty”
        That would be Hugh then.
        
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        August 23, 2017 12:34pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Poor DK
        See The links.
        They support my position rather than just making shite up.
        I know it hard when you have dk but that is called proving your assertion.
        
        Hows the TDS going ?
        Sill think the Don is winning hugly?
        ROFL
        You are fired seems to be the only thing he knows.
        The muttering from the GOP is getting louder.
        Mid terms is still many tweets away……
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:27pm
    - Jack5
      
      Kea2, Kea2 …
      
      It was a slackening of demand in China, the dominant buyer, that brought down prices in the world coal market.
      
      China had been stockpiling coal, as it does from time to time with copper, and other resources. Then it paused.
      
      It wasn’t just the dive in coal price that broke Solid Energy.
      
      It was also its bold (and intelligent) plans to harness the country’s large reserves of coal-seam gas. Work on this was well under way around Huntly. CSG is just what NZ needs to balance unfavourable weather for hyrdro, wind, and perhaps in future, solar power. The Greens and their greenish mates in National and Labour didn’t like the idea of fracking CSG.
      
      It was also Solid Energy’s bold (and wrong) project buying up Southland farmland to mine the vast lignite resources underneath with the goal of turning them into diesel fuel. But then oil prices dived and the whole project was uneconomic.
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:44am
      - mikenmild
        
        Kea is only advocating for coal mining because he is too stupid to think of a more environmentally destructive power source…
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:48am
      - realityczech
        
        Jack5 The trouble is we are using a third world model of selling our resources in a raw state.
        
        We should use our coal to create things of added value. Not sell it off to a fickle global market at bargain basement prices.
        
        Who gives a shit what the Chinese want to do with their coal, we need to focus on our needs.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:50am
      - mikenmild
        
        Focus on your own needs, Kea, like the need to seek help for your narcissistic personality disorder.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:51am
      - realityczech
        
        “too stupid to think of a more environmentally destructive power source”
        
        I can think of one though.
        
        Antarctica is basically an empty wasteland of no importance. We need to mine it and tap into the oil reserves. First we need to clear the
        record ice levels. This can be done by detonating nukes in the atmosphere to melt the ice and clear the way for oil drilling.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:55am
- marcw
  
  Have you been aware that for several months our hydro lakes have had below average storage levels for this time of year? And that is in a relatively normal rainfall year. Now the dreamers and Eco-warriors are telling us we will all have to change to EV cars by 2040, and ignoring all the problems with batteries/rare earth/charging points, where the hell is all the electricity going to come from to charge them up. Especially when we all arrive home in the evenings and plug in? Where is all the replacement energy in our transport system currently provided by petrol/diesel going to come from. It’s not as though the aforesaid Eco-warriors are going to allow more dams to be built, or even geothermal.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:23am
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m still seeking support for my plan to dam the Taita Gorge.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:31am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Another dam at Ngaruawahia would be a good idea as well. Who needs Hamilton?
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:56am
    - rangitoto
      
      I have long been advocating raising Lake Taupo and putting a generating station on the outlet into the Waikato.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:04am
  - SPC
    
    marcw, plans that were viable when we had 4m people are tenuous as we reach 5m and head towards 6m.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Marcw – good point.
    
    To make green energy work best, NZ needs to have thermal generation to meet demand peaks, and ensure supply during weather-caused shortfalls.
    
    Exploration indications are that we have good reserves of natural gas offshore, and we have good reserves of coal-seam gas.
    
    The Greens and their greenish mates don’t see that tapping these and building a few thermal stations in North and South islands would enable us to maximise our natural power generation potential.
    
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    August 23, 2017 10:59am
  - Gruffydd
    
    If you like it or not the future is coming.
    
    Interesting fact that you seem to have missed .
    An electric car goes as far on the energy used to refine 1 liter of petrol as an ICE car gets on 1 liter of petrol.
    
    Wind and Solar is excellent for this county.
    We have hydro that acts as massive energy storage.
    Every watt we get from wind and solar is one we do not need to drain the hydro lakes for .
    Something like 15% is geothermal now that’s base line generation that is both cheap and reliable
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:01am
    - realityczech
      
      “If you like it or not the future is coming.”
      
      Japan, Germany, China, France are all building a huge number of coal powered plants for that future. All the most advanced countries are doing it.
      
      That is a simple fact. You can get all angry and emotional but facts don’t care.
      
      The future is coal
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:05am
    - Jack5
      
      Griff, the South Island lakes are very susceptible to weather – rainfall, and snow fall.
      
      At times of the year, and perhaps now, electricity flows south across Cook Strait.
      
      All our natural resources are weather dependent, which is why they would be best if topped up with a small amount of gas-powered thermal generation.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:06am
      - realityczech
        
        Pay attention Jacko… we can not generate enough electricity with your halfwit hippy ideas about the earth mother creating steam for you.
        
        It is that sort of thinking that made Ethiopia the success it is today.
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Crikey, Kea2, what are they putting the bird seed today?
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:23am
      - Jack5
        
        The mountain parrot’s fascination with colours is one of its characteristics.
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:32am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Jack5
        Your support for the halfwitted troll is a shit on DPF.
        He was banned by the justice system on this blog .
        Both you and Maggy have no right to celebrate a troll breaking the blog owners rules.
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:37am
      - realityczech
        
        No idea what you are talking about Griff. I think it is the drugs talking.
        
        You sound very angry rushing around imagining things and telling people off.
        
        Griff – 1st warning – 7/10/14, 2nd warning – 7/12/14, 1st strike – 3/6/15, 2nd strike – 18/12/15, 3rd strike – 20/2/16, 4th strike – 18/5/16, 5th strike – 6/7/16, 6th strike – 12/3/17
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Both you and Maggy have no right to celebrate a troll breaking the blog owners rules
        
        There seems to be at least two methods in which you can complain about me to Mr Farrar.
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/complaints_policy
        Feel free to use them.
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:20pm
    - marcw
      
      When aluminum smelters can run on wind and solar I will believe these renewables are practical and economic. All these EV cars will require lots of aluminum, and aircraft manufacture requires high grade aluminum produced most economically by electrical smelting as practiced at Tiwai. Supplementing our electricity needs in the face of all these future requirements by solar and wind is just total bs … no matter how many times the greens repeat it.
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:55am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Renewables run the smelter.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manapouri_Power_Station
        Manapouri Power Station is an underground hydroelectric power station on the western arm of Lake Manapouri in Fiordland National Park, in the South Island of …
        
        Now if we can just keep the fat tarts hand out of our pockets.
        
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        August 23, 2017 12:29pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Wind and Solar is excellent for this county
      
      Excellent for bankrupting the funders. Based on the current cost of electricity production, every wind turbine you see around NZ will be obsolete and decommissioned long before it has generated sufficient revenue to cover its capital cost.
      
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      August 23, 2017 12:36pm
    - Gabby
      
      How many tonnes of birdlife does a wind turbine mince in its working life?
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        Thousands of times more than the odd oil slick and the slaughter is “sustainable” as it goes on and on and on…
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    Marcw also mentions geothermal.
    
    This isn’t as stable a power source as many believe. It takes a lot of work to establish best harnessing spots, a lot of drilling and pipe work, and you never really know how much resource is there for you to tap, when it might stop, or when the heat’s natural path might move.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:03am
    - realityczech
      
      Stop over thinking it Jacko. The answer is coal.
      
      coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal coal
      
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      August 23, 2017 11:24am
      - mikenmild
        
        Wouldn’t it be easier to clear-fell our native forests and burn the wood, using environmental lobbyists for kindling?
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes milky. That is the sort of thinking we need.
        
        Clearing the forests will make it easier for strip mining too. The two go hand in hand. And when we have finished we can flood the lot with a hydro dam.
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:25pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Well done, Kea. Don’t forget our arable land area will also increase as global cooling lowers sea levels.
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Scientists Considered Pouring Soot Over the Arctic in the 1970s to Help Melt the Ice – In Order to Prevent Another Ice Age
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:30pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    More than enough water in the mighty Waikato. Plenty of water to keep the dams working full time.
    
    Oops, don’t tell Cindy, she’ll tax them for passing water through their turbines. ?
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:23am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Now that you mention it, are Labour planning on taxing you for passing water?
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:04pm
    - Paulus
      
      Will she tax the water produced from my drinking beer as it passes out through my kidneys.
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:45pm
  - Gabby
    
    They’re doing a Ponyboy and assuming that technology will solve that problem.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:17pm
Stars And Stripes

So we are already hearing talk about new taxes being potentially levied on the same old people who are already bearing the majority of the tax burden.
This extra cash will then be chucked at the feckless and their mongrel offspring to try and help pull them out of the sewer but like all other handouts will prove ineffective and just maintain the status quo but at a higher cost on going cost.
These are policies totally bereft of any vision beyond just keeping bludgers and wasters on the payroll to shut them up and secure their votes.
People who actually contribute to society and pay tax seem to be worthless beyond what you can suck out of them in this country now.
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August 23, 2017 10:20am
- GoVege
  
  Gotta agree with you there Stripes.
  Not just the usual losers dragging up 11 kids on the single mum benny to become gang fodder.
  Now we have the Islamic immigrants with their multiple wives and kids.
  Saw one of our local ones yesterday with what looks like his latest wife (different from the last one I saw him with….except for the black shroud attire).
  Tiny frightened looking little thing with a newborn baby in the back seat.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:49am
BarryB

A commentator said a few days ago that National have been a lazy government – and I agre,e and for that reason they need a large kick in the pants.
They have failed at almost every yardstick that one measures a society by – education, health, transport, rebuild, low wages, and so on.
Labour on the other hand arent as unknown as everyone thinks . Historically labour have made societies big changes – they havent been lazy. Yes some have been major mistakes. However we need some obvious changes. We need to stop education being a experimental laboratory – especially in the school area where they are failing badly (mathematics, science, ability to read and write, etc). And we have to stop the idiocy of everyone running off to university (Arderns promises here are a worry)We have to some how get wages up. We have to tackle the water challenge and the low value agricultural production (milk powder – the lowest value product one can make from milk). And water is just one part of the whole environment matter.
We have to stop building roads – they just turn into car parks. Yes we have a challenge with low population – but that didnt stop earlier governments building the hydro dams and the main trunk railway.
Sometimes a country has to borrow to do these things and the building up of government finances doesnt actually do anything – except allow political parties to make promises and big spend ups on easy projects just before an election.
And dont for get the ten bridges that were promised in northland – they didnt even have a list. Talk about trump telling porkies………..

Ive never voted Labour and I wont this time (it will be NZ first – that is to keep whoever does get in a slightly bit more honest than they would have been without him) but National have got to where they are by doing fuck all – except build up a savings account – and we all know how useless a savings account is – it always under-performs real things like land and buildings and infrastructure.
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August 23, 2017 10:34am
- Lance
  
  National.. the lazy govt that brought NZ through the GFC and is commended by overseas countries for a near perfect performance. National the lazy govt that didn’t cut welfare but has actually increased it, and in real terms?
  
  Bullshit
  
  Propaganda blatherings repeated oft by the left.
  Groundless crap
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  – Rebuilt Christchurch, and Kaikoura and the surrounding infrastructure after major earthquakes.
  
  – Have you driven on any of their major new motorways. Brilliant and efficient.
  
  – Tax cuts for all
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  Vote Winston, and get Labour + taxes + uncertainty + inexperience
  
  Vote Cindy, and get Winston + Winston + Winston
  
  Vote National, and get leadership + experience + stability
  
  Pretty easy choice.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:50pm
SPC

It’s either government by farmers, business owners and landlords for farmers, business owners and landlords or we are … all … doomed.

Let capitalism reign, and the people be grateful for the blessings that trickle down to them.

Since 2008 heroic efforts have ensured that no pregnant mother is threatened by nitrates in their water, we have closed the wage gap with Australia, and houses are healthy and affordable for all.
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August 23, 2017 10:54am
- mikenmild
  
  It’s a commendable record, that will only be capped by $10 billion worth of new roads to take the kids to their boot camps…
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:56am
  - SPC
    
    Which is so wise, land in Auckland is too expensive for boot camps.
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:02am
  - Lance
    
    MnM channeling Gabby
    
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    August 23, 2017 11:04am
4077th

This from a US senator..

“I didn’t mean what I put up. Absolutely not. I was very frustrated. Things have got to change,” Chappelle-Nadal told the Post-Dispatch. “It was in response to the concerns that I am hearing from residents of St. Louis. I have deleted it, and it should have been deleted, but there is something way more important that we should be talking about.”

“but there is something way more important that we should be talking about.”

Does this sound like a familiar MO for grandstanding politicians? The difference in this case is the secret service will rinse her. It’s disgusting. the alt-left in he US is really becoming unhinged.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/mccaskill-clay-and-others-call-for-mo-senator-to-resign/article_406059d6-1aa4-52fc-89ee-2a6a69baaf2e.html
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August 23, 2017 11:15am
Manolo

The RINOs conspire:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html

The relationship between President Trump and Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, has disintegrated to the point that they have not spoken to each other in weeks, and Mr. McConnell has privately expressed uncertainty that Mr. Trump will be able to salvage his administration after a series of summer crises.
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August 23, 2017 11:24am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND ELECTION … RATS DESERTING THE SINKING SHIP …

Another day, another bombshell as 2017 election gets even more volatile … Tracy Watkins OPINION | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95991036/another-day-another-bombshell-as-2017-election-gets-even-more-volatile

… extract …

… After nearly nine years of certainty it feels like New Zealand politics is in the middle of a big shake down. Is the next logical step from there a change election? National will be hoping not.

But the initial reaction to Labour’s leadership change will be giving them sleepless nights that this is what a change election looks like. Dunne’s resignation has the look of a rat deserting a sinking ship. The United Future leader has ruled out working with Labour and tied his colours to National’s mast some time ago. The fact that the tide is going out on him in Ohariu may be only one calculation – the other is that he does not want to spend another term in Opposition. … read more via hyperlink above …

… ESSENTIAL VIEWING … THE NATIONAL – LED GOVERNMENTS SHAME …

… The sinking began with the 28 May Newshub Reid Research Issues Poll … the housing shock …

Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html

… Remarkably Auckland housing was not a crisis to the Key Government mid 2016 (see above) with housing at 10 times incomes … but it was in 2007 when Labour led the Government when it was 6.9 times incomes ()refer Demographia Surveys … access schedule Performance Urban Planning ) according to John Key at the time ! …

WATCH THIS EMBARRASSING 2007 VIDEO TOO ! …

PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics

… read more … GONE GONE GOING section …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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August 23, 2017 11:37am
- SPC
  
  The difference is in part explained by interest rates in 2007 (rising OCR leading to a recession here prior to the GFC) being a bit higher than the historic lows of 2017.
  
  It was then and is now too high relative to incomes. To compare relative cost one has to go to % of income required to repay.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:43am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Correct link …
  
  PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hugh, the tide is turning against Taxcinda, and she hasn’t been put under the blowtorch yet. You are in for a disappointment on Sept. 23.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:09pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Shocking stories faced by Kiwi renters detailed in new report … TVNZ
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/shocking-stories-faced-kiwi-renters-detailed-in-new-report
      
      Mandatory warrants of fitness for rental homes and rent rise limits are being called for by a lobby group, following the release of its damning report into New Zealand’s rental market. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Report says more should be done to help elderly tenants | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/96051225/report-says-more-should-be-done-to-help-elderly-tenants
      
      Kinsa Hays, 75, had never been a renter before she sold her home in Opotiki 10 years ago. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Fears of being locked out of housing market worry residents on Auckland’s North Shore … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/95579408/fears-of-being-being-locked-out-of-housing-market-worry-residents-on-aucklands-north-shore
      
      Housing affordability and high rents are the main worry for over 900 North Shore residents living in the Northcote electorate, according to a poll conducted by Labour’s electoral candidate. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 23, 2017 12:26pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … ESSENTIAL VIEWING …
        
        Rachel Stewart: Jacinda Ardern an oasis in NZ’s political desert – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11908712
        
        In 1987, as a fresh-faced 24-year-old with deep-seated delusions of dauntlessness, I took on the safest National seat in the country for Labour.
        
        I was driving trains in Palmerston North and, despite not living in the electorate, Waitotara was my “home” patch. So enamoured was I with Labour’s nuclear-free policy, and David Lange’s formidable eloquence, I simply had to be involved.
        
        They were different times, folks. Had I known what havoc Rogernomics and naked neoliberalism were to ultimately inflict on the country, I’d never have partaken. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 23, 2017 12:48pm
      - starboard
        
        “Hic..burp..Hic “..doomed, I tells ya, we’re all “Hic” doomed”..
        
        ( more via hyperlink )
        
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        August 23, 2017 1:41pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Watch: ‘That’s not going to happen’ – Emphatic Jacinda Ardern utterly rules out income tax hikes if she became PM | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-thats-not-going-happen-emphatic-jacinda-ardern-utterly-rules-income-tax-hikes-if-she-became-pm
      
      Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has given a firm commitment not to raise income tax if her party leads the next government. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 23, 2017 5:40pm
- Flash
  
  Who wants to look at embarrassing videos? I don’t. I’ve got better things to do with my time – and my brain.
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:24pm
Jack5

The statue insanity is peaking!

A part-African journalist in Britain has called for Lord Nelson’s statue in London to be taken down, claiming he “defended slavery”.

The statue demolishers are unwittingly destroying tolerance of minorities.

Stand by for the counter-storm.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4814024/Now-want-tear-Nelson-s-Column.html
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August 23, 2017 11:51am
- mikenmild
  
  I’d be careful of reading too much into one nutjob’s opinion.
  I think a more balanced consideration would look at the reason for the stature, or whatever. Just because someone fitted with prevailing mores would not be sufficient, in my view, to demolish a statue. It becomes a different matter where the statue celebrates particularly loathsome action, even by the standards of the day.
  So keep Nelson – his statue does not commemorate anything about slavery.
  Feel free to dump Robert E Lee – his statues were deliberately erected to celebrate the resurgence of white supremacy post-Reconstruction.
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:59am
  - realityczech
    
    What about statues of convicted criminals.
    
    Like this mass murdering terrorist piece of shit Nelson Mandela ?
    
    http://plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.co.nz/2010/07/crimes-of-terrorist-nelson-mandela.html
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:02pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “I’d be careful of reading too much into one nutjob’s opinion.”
    
    It’s not just one. There have been multiple similar calls from many for years now, and progressive student groups are demanding the removal of paintings and statues that offend them. And some UK universities have buckled to their demands.
    
    “King’s College London is to swap portraits of some of its founding fathers with a “wall of diversity” amid pressure from students, a dean says.
    
    The plans to move portraits of former faculty staff from the main entrance wall and replace them with more BME scholars are being implemented by the world famous Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, following concern among academics that the current classroom environment is too “intimidating” for ethnic minorities.”
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/
    
    For someone who claims to “observe reality” it looks suspiciously like all you do is observe what Leftist sources and the msm tell you to.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:29pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      perhaps they need to spend more time in study… that is study of why these student groups are actually offended by the paintings, or even if they really are. Perhaps a good study of the Psychology behind these groups would be beneficial… then they can put the paintings back and encourage the diverse to come back as faculty and be up on the wall, while at the same time trying to bring some sanity back.
      
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      August 23, 2017 1:11pm
  - Gabby
    
    Let the Dooks take Genn’l Lee back to Hazard Co and erect him in their back yard if they like though, or stick him outside a museum or sutin.
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:59pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I have a family connection to Lord Nelson. Let me at that journalist ….
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:52pm
- Gabby
  
  Afua wants the Pyramids razed.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:03pm
  - Gabby
    
    She’ll be pushing to have Ghana’s slaver castles demolished and outing herself as descended from a slaver next.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:25pm
realityczech

How cannabis causes ~~hypocricy~~ paranoia

Gruffydd

Jack5
Your support for the halfwitted troll is a shit on DPF.
He was banned by the justice system on this blog .
Both you and Maggy have no right to celebrate a troll breaking the blog owners rules.

Griff – 1st warning – 7/10/14, 2nd warning – 7/12/14, 1st strike – 3/6/15, 2nd strike – 18/12/15, 3rd strike – 20/2/16, 4th strike – 18/5/16, 5th strike – 6/7/16, 6th strike – 12/3/17
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August 23, 2017 11:53am
- Gruffydd
  
  Yes Kea.
  I came back from two months on the naughty step with a new name.
  As an adult I am quite happy to accept the wack on the sack and move on .
  New lap top, new phone account, new ip address, new email address and all. I made it clear I was Griff from the beginning to both commenters and DPF.
  Kea, Krissx and realityczech are the same person .
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:20pm
  - realityczech
    
    Oh the Metiria Turei defense:
    
    1. You admit the fraud.
    2. You are not sorry about the fraud.
    3. You are proud of it.
    
    IT issues. Was that to do with your crappy power supply burning out your gear Griff ? Sounds like it. Did you lie about that too ?
    
    Hypocrite 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 12:24pm
    - Gabby
      
      So it is keallyczitty?
      
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      August 23, 2017 12:54pm
Kabull

Noticed on the radio (ZB) this morning a series of ads for the Horrid. They are clearly politically focused as they entail a child asking its mother ‘why are those people sleeping in the street …’ and ‘why can’t we buy a house, Mummy …’
The dialogue is followed by an extortion to go to NZ Herald Focus to get the real story to help you make your decision this election.
I have never heard anything so blatantly one-sided and biased. If I were a subscriber to the Herald (which, thankfully I am not), I would be cancelling my sub forthwith.
Do others regard these ads in the same way?
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August 23, 2017 11:58am
- realityczech
  
  Serves ya right for looking 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 11:59am
- mikenmild
  
  After hearing this ‘extortion’. did you feel like the Herald wad trying to exhort money from you?
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:01pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    sad the down ticks for having a smile at the extortion vs exhortation. but can I be mean and say “wad you trying to day? My s and d are transposed today too.
    🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:14pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Muphry’s Law…
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:18pm
- MCos
  
  The Herald can do what it likes.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:25pm
SPC

Winston Peters has promised to take the MW to $20.

This to remind all – of the 9 to $12 rise that occurred the last time NZF was in government. And synchronises the position in line with Labour’s longer term goal of getting it to $20 (without a time frame, NZF does not either, a meaningless policy – National will also do it at some point).

There would be little chance of National going any higher than a 50 cents rise per annum (they increased the amount by 50 cents this year but only because it is election year).

Policies on MW are only real if they involve a schedule of annual increases.

All we have is Labour’s 75 cents next year and National’s 50 cents this year (and they will not bid higher in future). NZF could have said $ a year (as per 2009-2012), but they have not.

The only innovative contribution is to connect MW increases with company tax cuts.
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August 23, 2017 11:59am
- KevOB
  
  MW and tax cuts have no relationship. The MW is not to be tinkered with lightly its affects can be devastating on prices and employment. Sensible, well measured, careful adjustments are the way to go.
  
  Ill considered political interference in a fragile market can cause havoc. It’s happened before when The Court of Arbitration intervened.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:03pm
- SPC
  
  Except that I have found the detail.
  
  It is to increase the MW to $20 by 2020 (currently 15.75 – $1 per annum 1 April 2018/2019/2020 takes it to $18.75. so its either at a faster rate or the final increase to $20 occurs 1 April 2021).
  
  The tax cuts
  
  • An export tax rate of 20 per cent applied to export-generated income.
  • For small and medium-sized businesses 100 per cent depreciation for business equipment worth up to $20,000 for each item.
  • Introduce research and development tax credits.
  
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  August 23, 2017 4:24pm
waikatogirl

2billion more in the coffers than expected at the budget. A total of 3.7billion available for the next government to spend.

Well done Bill.
It will be a shame if Liabor get their spendthrift mits on the govt reins.
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August 23, 2017 12:07pm
- Manolo
  
  Let us say No! to Comrade Taxcinda and her high taxes program.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:23pm
  - starboard
    
    Let’s face it..a vote for liarbor is basically a vote for Helen Klark. Klark and her motley lot of freaks and weirdos were given the DCM for good reason.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:39pm
- Gabby
  
  Bingles just found 2 bill down the back of the sofa? Well done indeed on not planning for or knowing about it.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:51pm
mandk

First line from the PREFU:

“New Zealand’s economy and the Crown’s books are in a sound state”

Don’t let Labour mess them up.

Compare with PREFU 2008:

“We are now expecting weaker economic growth over the next few years, resulting in slower growth in tax revenue and higher government expenditure. Combined with increases in the costs of some existing policies, these factors lead to sustained operating balance deficits and higher debt-to-GDP ratios.”

Two ticks blue!
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August 23, 2017 12:10pm
- SPC
  
  Weaker economic growth with continuing immigration would mean declining GDP per capita.
  
  That would entail being unable to mitigate the infrastructure pressures consequent on rising population.
  
  A bit concerning.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:32pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu!
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:46pm
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:04pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:21pm
    - KevOB
      
      Do you have a thing about tulips and ikky poo?
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:58pm
Fletch

NEWSFLASH.

National has found extra money in the kitty.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/soaring-tax-revenues-strong-economy-set-increase-governments-forecast-budget-surplus-enormous-3-7-billion

I take it that this means that National will not have to tax very much in order to keep its election promises, whereas Labour will still have to tax the shit out of everyone to accomplish theirs.
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August 23, 2017 12:32pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Great news. The taxpayer is obviously paying more tax than is already required so there is NO NEED for LIABOUR TO INCREASE TAXES! ?
  
  2 TICKS BLUE
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:05pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:17pm
  - Gabby
    
    tULIXPU
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:19pm
Fletch

A new study says that global warming is almost entirely natural.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/22/delingpole-global-warming-is-almost-entirely-natural-study-confirms/

The study –

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214242817300426#!
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August 23, 2017 12:37pm
- realityczech
  
  Science is “trolling” around these parts Fletch 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:45pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    The “Paper” is an effort called curve fitting.
    As a scientific discipline it lies somewhere between divining and intestine reading.
    
    Still Fletch needs he weekly piece of nonsense science from brietbart or the American thinker.
    even if it does contradict last weeks wingnut fodder.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      It is too soon to say if there is any warming. The science is unclear. Climate systems are very complex and we simply don’t know enough to predict anything. It is doubtful we ever will given the complexity of the systems and how they inter relate.
      
      Top scientists have been telling us this for years but the alarmist luddites just ignore them and continue to screech about global floods and doomsday.
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:01pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        There definitely is warming. Earth is still moving out of the last interglacial .
        
        Of course if one picks start and end periods it’s also possible to show warming, or cooling.
        
        What can’t be shown, using any science that establishes causation, is that human’s are responsible for any of it.
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:09pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yes Kiwi
        If you ignore the mountains of evidence it is not happening.
        
        We have been cooling towards the next ice advance for 6000 of the last 12000 years.
        We burn trillions of tones of buried hydro carbons increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere by 40% The temperature starts going up again.
        We know why, we can measure it and we see the effect every where.
        
        Global warming/climate change is well beyond a hypotheses it is a theory supported by more than enough convincing evidence to have the backing of every major scientific body on the planet.
        
        Trying to deny AGW is like stepping out of a five story building and ignoring gravity.
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Griff try and restrict yourself to the evidence. There is no proven warming outside of natural variations.
        
        The Ice Age ended and you need to deal with that. Just as well too because it was not as nice as it is in those cartoons you love.
        
        ==============================
        The grandest climate engineering schemes came from the Soviet Union. The most Promethean among them was a late 1950s proposal to dam the Bering Strait and, by pumping water from the Arctic Ocean into the Pacific, draw warm water northward from the Atlantic to melt the polar ice pack, making the Arctic Ocean navigable and warming Siberia. The leading Soviet climatologist, Mikhail I. Budyko, cautioned against it, arguing that the ultimate effects were too difficult to predict (though he himself had played with the idea of warming the Arctic by covering it in soot to decrease its reflectivity). John F. Kennedy, as a presidential candidate, suggested the United States look into collaborating on the project. While the two countries continued desultory discussions of the Bering Strait plan into the 1970s, the American government was by then losing interest in the whole field of weather modification.
        
        http://investmentwatchblog.com/scientists-suggested-melting-the-arctic-ice-cap-to-stop-a-new-ice-age/
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:43pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        If you ignore the mountains of evidence it is not happening
        
        Griff, you appear to confuse correlation and causation. So to help you a bit, please enjoy these: Hilarious Graphs Prove That Correlation Isn’t Causation
        
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        August 23, 2017 3:25pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Hello kiwi
        CO2 is a green house gas.
        We have increased the amount by 40% in the atmosphere
        This will result in warming the planets surface.
        As there is a direct relationship between temperature and the amount of moisture the atmosphere can hold we will see even more warming than that from CO2 alone.
        These increases have been measured as expected along with shrinking ice cover and many other symptoms of a warning planet.
        You are rejecting basic well supported physics .
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:34pm
      - realityczech
        
        “CO2 is a green house gas.
        We have increased the amount by 40% in the atmosphere”
        
        Lies.
        
        CO2 is what plants are mostly made of. It is as essential to life on earth as oxygen is. All the CO2 released into the atmosphere came from the atmosphere. Increases in CO2 are offset by increases in plant growth. It is called – the carbon cycle.
        
        Plants are made from CO2.
        
        Where Do Trees Get Their Mass From?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:40pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Griff:
        
        CO2 is a green house gas.
        
        Agreed
        
        We have increased the amount by 40% in the atmosphere
        
        Since when? There’s no causative evidence of this, nor is there any science to separate anthropogenic vs natural sources. There is evidence of natural C02 levels lagging temperate changes.
        
        This will result in warming the planets surface.
        
        There is significant debate on the extent of any warming, and little understanding of how it is impacted by natural climatic cycles, solar cycles etc.
        
        As there is a direct relationship between temperature and the amount of moisture the atmosphere can hold we will see even more warming than that from CO2 alone.
        
        Ah yes, the old trick or moving the goal posts now that increasing CO2 levels are not correlated with increasing temperatures as per the original scare. In any case, increased atmospheric moisture reflects solar energy, providing a negative impact on earth’s energy budget.
        
        These increases have been measured as expected along with shrinking ice cover and many other symptoms of a warning planet.
        
        The ice is behaving just as it should. The polar bears are flourishing. The planet isn’t cooking. You know this. I know this.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:49pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFL
        
        That you chose to believe your nonsense just makes you willfully ignorant of the world and the future.
        
        Fortunately there is no political party in nz that gives your anti reality nonsense any heed .
        Your ignorance does not count…..
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:04pm
- Gabby
  
  Brightfart and Smokingpole? I’m convinced.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:18pm
lifesgood

From time to time I’ve had a look at WO, just to see the mood over there. I think today will be the last time I bother. What a nasty, vicious, uncalled for attack he has made on Bill English today. We all get that he is bitter that Judith didn’t get the job but to deliberately try to sway the election against National because of it is incredibly childish. I think perhaps he senses that support for the Nats is growing. I don’t even get why people call BE boring. I just think he is a professional, no nonsense, hard working man and I like that. What do people want? All flags, whistles, excitement and no substance? Jacinda Ardern?
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August 23, 2017 12:41pm
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:05pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Why bother looking at WO – he is now a bitter and twisted person and no longer appears to know whether he is an Arthur or Martha.
  BUT it is his blog so he can say and do what he wants – people used to be interested in what he says but no longer bother, as you will get banned by his bumboys.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:53pm
big bruv

Joyce says no new tax cuts before 2020.
Well fuck you Mr Joyce and fuck you National. Im not voting for you, if you want to be in the Labour party go and talk to their new leader.
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August 23, 2017 12:50pm
- realityczech
  
  Temper temper !
  
  I was not going to vote for them either. I changed my mind. We are facing a very serious threat to our country and we have to pick a side. We need to think clearly.
  
  National are doing what they have to do. Kiwis are naturally lefties. Key said so openly and he understood that. National are a product of our culture and remain just left enough to stay in power, but no more. Labour are idealistic extreme socialists who want the state to dictate every facet of our lives. There is no comparison with National.
  
  You need to calm the fuck down, make a cuppa and remember two-ticks-blue. Now is not the time to turn flakey and abandon your country.
  
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  August 23, 2017 12:56pm
- SPC
  
  Tax cuts that are unaffordable do not cut tax rates in the longer term as they result in higher debt costs.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:01pm
- KevOB
  
  Joyce is being prudent. They have to get back into Government first.
  
  While I’m a bene I appreciate the upper income taxpayers do bear the brunt. I expect them to get some relief in the near term.
  
  Labour however will shaft everybody. They cannot promise what they do not know about. But they will promise what they desire.
  
  All we are getting from Jacinda is feelings masking hidden socialist planning. Her ideology does not allow for speaking truth but dissembly yet taxation requires the consent of the taxed.
  
  How could Labour claim a mandate without truth up front?
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:14pm
- rangitoto
  
  I guess you don’t want the tax cuts the Nats already announced in the budget.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:16pm
- lifesgood
  
  What’s wrong with you?! Are you saying that because you won’t get a tax cut you would rather pay a heap more in tax. Think about it. Sounds like you are throwing your toys.
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:18pm
  - realityczech
    
    He is having a tanty and has been sent to his room to think about what he said 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:22pm
  - big bruv
    
    You’re all flag wavers, all of you are happy to support your team irrespective of what they do, I’m not.
    The National party are supposed to be the ones who offer incentive to those of us who work hard, I am not going to accept that I must vote for the fuckwit from Dipton and the socialist wanker Joyce just to keep Labour out of power, nor that I should give the Nat’s a free pass on their rampant socialist policies.
    When Labour are in power they make an effort to look after their own, the Nat’s never fucking do this, instead they pander to the parasites and losers in our society, what’s more they use our fucking money to do so.
    
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    August 23, 2017 1:50pm
    - realityczech
      
      Great then vote Labour and may God have mercy on your soul 😉
      
      Is it because Jacinda promised you a train set comrade?
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:05pm
    - lifesgood
      
      You sound a bit like a parasite and a loser yourself. You gave it away when you said “When Labour are in power they make an effort to look after their own” Did you think you would suddenly become wealthy from a tax cut? Lol?
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Seems like he had plans for a major windfall alright !
        
        Now he just wants his choo choo train, instead of National and their silly stupid dumb roads. LOL 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2017 2:21pm
  - big bruv
    
    Ahh, the old ‘if I hit you less will you stay?’ argument.
    No wonder this is a shitty third world nation, we are always happy to accept second best.
    
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    August 23, 2017 2:21pm
    - realityczech
      
      Toot toot chug chug chug …
      
      We just don’t win anymore comrade.
      
      The tax rate is very low in Somalia and the Sudan. Maybe you should immigrate. They must be terribly rich with such low taxes.
      
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      August 23, 2017 2:24pm
Ross12

Not politics, but it is interesting to see how much more profitable the Chinese tech giants currently are compared to the USA giants :

“A comparison of the world’s two largest ecommerce companies, Alibaba and Amazon, shows some stark differences in operating models. Amazon’s end-to-end fulfilment model saw it earn $197 million in the same quarter Alibaba earned $2.1 billion. For every dollar of revenue Amazon made 0.5 cents; Alibaba took home 63 cents. Both companies are chasing the less tapped online shoppers of emerging markets, it will be interesting to see which business model is more sustainable. ”
“Tencent’s profit was just 69% of its closest global equivalent Facebook. Yet with 2 billion users, Facebook is making significantly less per user than Tencent. Revenue is also much more one-dimensional, with 98% coming from advertising. Of Tencent’s ¥56.6 billion ($8.5 billion) revenue, just ¥10.1 billion came from advertising – ¥6 billion from WeChat, offering plenty of scope for growth. For the majority of its income, Tencent has done a remarkable job of squeezing small payments from many of its users, from games, to digital add-ons and personalisation, to gifting, all enabled by the penetration of mobile payments”
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August 23, 2017 1:40pm
realityczech

Remember it is about “science” not politics. Gosh no…

The Climate Movement Needs to Get Radical, but What Does that Mean?

A Delayed Review of This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate by Naomi Klein

http://nonsite.org/editorial/the-climate-movement-needs-to-get-radical-but-what-does-that-mean

Smart people will note how great environmental outcomes have been in such socialist paradises as Soviet Russia & China !
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August 23, 2017 1:49pm
- realityczech
  
  More “climate science”. [ No politics]
  
  “Slavery wasn’t a crisis for British and American elites until abolitionism turned it into one. Racial discrimination wasn’t a crisis until the civil rights movement turned it into one. Sex discrimination wasn’t a crisis until feminism turned it into one. Apartheid wasn’t a crisis until the anti-apartheid movement turned it into one.”
  ― Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate
  
  “So we are left with a stark choice: allow climate disruption to change everything about our world, or change pretty much everything about our economy to avoid that fate. But we need to be very clear: because of our decades of collective denial, no gradual, incremental options are now available to us.”
  ― Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate
  
  “climate change as a battle between capitalism and the planet,”
  ― Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate
  
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  August 23, 2017 1:55pm
Fletch

Hey all, a question. I saw someone point out on a Facebook post that national debt has ballooned to $85 billion under National.

Another person posted a link to a press release by the Greens’ Russel Norman back in 2013 where he points out the current debt and predicts it will go up –

“The real story from Thursday’s budget is how indebted we will become under John Key and National. In 2012, New Zealand’s Net International Investment position was minus 70.7% of GDP of $208 billion, which means we owed $147 billion in net debt to the rest of the world.

“By 2017 National’s Budget projections show New Zealand’s Net International Investment Position will skyrocket to minus 80.9% of GDP of $257 billion, equating to $208 billion in net debt to the rest of the world.

https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/national-increase-new-zealand-s-debt-61-billion-over-five-years

Surely if the debt is now $85 billion this means it has come down under National? Another person on the thread says they are two different things. How is all this worked out?
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August 23, 2017 1:57pm
- mikenmild
  
  Different figures that mean different things. Go to the Treasury website for consistent measurement of debt.
  
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  August 23, 2017 2:13pm
- SPC
  
  National debt refers to government debt (built up over years).
  
  Other measures of debt include debt of New Zealanders (loans and mortgages) and offshore debt.
  
  New Zealand’s net international liability position was $157.0 billion (63.1 percent of GDP) at 31 March 2016, up from a revised $151.9 billion (61.8 percent of GDP) at 31 December 2015.
  New Zealand’s net external debt position was $139.3 billion (56.0 percent of GDP) at 31 March 2016, up from a revised $136.5 billion (55.5 percent of GDP) at 31 December 2015.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:57pm
big bruv

The sale of the Warriors has fallen through by the look of it.
I really don’t know why the Ockers allow this piss poor team to continue in their competition, nobody of any real ability want to play for them and nobody it seems can coach the local players for any length of time without falling out with them.
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August 23, 2017 2:31pm
Prince

NZ First pledge to renationalise the energy companies, and shareholders will receive only the price they paid back when they were purchased, to be paid out ‘sometime in the future’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/96066910/if-youve-got-shares-in-contact-get-rid-of-them-now-nz-first

This party is more soviet than socialist, and more left than Labour and Green, who have ditched that policy.
Don’t for one moment think a vote for NZ First will ‘teach National a lesson’ or ‘give National a spine’.
NZ First are a seriously disfunctional rabble.
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August 23, 2017 2:32pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Winnie the Pooh a bear of little brain. According to the story.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:54pm
- smttc
  
  More proof if you need it that Winston First will go with Labour. Labour might agree to this. National never will.
  
  A vote for NZF is a vote for a Labour government.
  
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  August 23, 2017 4:37pm
realityczech

Weathermen and their fantastic lies 🙂

Scientists Suggested Melting the Arctic Ice Cap to Stop a New Ice Age

On April 28, 1975, Newsweek wrote an article stating:

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects.

They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

Obama’s senior science adviser – John Holdren – was one of those warning of a catastrophic ice age.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/scientists-suggested-melting-the-arctic-ice-cap-to-stop-a-new-ice-age/
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August 23, 2017 2:34pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Kea sweety you are having another one of your turns
  Go see the nice lady in the white coat and tell her to up your meds .
  
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  August 23, 2017 2:43pm
  - realityczech
    
    ornithophilia
    
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    August 23, 2017 2:56pm
Captain Mainwaring

And now the Winston party is going to re-nationalise the power companies, so says the despicable Richard Prosser.
Why the Hell would they do this when power prices have reduced and the dividends to the Govt. are higher than they were with 100% ownership.
I’m convinced that Winston and his mates are unhinged and more than convinced that they should be shut out of Government. The only way for this to happen is for National to get 50%.
THREE TICKS BLUE !!!

Apologies to Prince, you beat me to it.
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August 23, 2017 2:38pm
- Gabby
  
  TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !!! !!
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:08pm
  - KevOB
    
    And kisses for you:
    ✖️✖️✖️
    
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    August 23, 2017 4:05pm
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️☑️
  
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  August 23, 2017 4:04pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    +One4Kevvipoo
    
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    August 23, 2017 6:26pm
- john1234
  
  Is Tos… I mean Prosser a registered financial adviser? If not will he be prosecuted for giving investment advice?
  
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  August 23, 2017 4:10pm
Lance

Oh dear oh dear

NZ First actively promoting nationalising and stealing shareholders money to boot.

This is seriously fucked up. Not even the deranged Greens were promoting this.

I am glad David Seymour called him a “fucking idiot” at the meeting.
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August 23, 2017 2:55pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Auckland Council called old Winnie out over the housing issue.
  He is desperate for an issue, any issue to claim relevance.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:53pm
  - Gabby
    
    Wot no asian aircrew?
    
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    August 23, 2017 6:24pm
- Gabby
  
  Rimmer Coq finally gone full spectrum.
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:25pm
Jack5

Griff, who is the newspaper’s Global Warming correspondent, won’t like this…

The Daily Mail highlights the drawbacks of electric cars, and describes politicians’ love of them as a Green mania.

The NZ Government has pledged one in three of 15,000 Government cars will be electric and the following policy:

Other NZ Government electric car plans and their present status include:

* Road user charges on light and heavy class electric vehicles are exempt until each class make up 2 per cent of its vehicle fleet.

* A $6 million annual contestable fund encouraging to encourage innovation for low emission vehicle projects.

* Changes to the Land Transport Act will allow electric vehicles in bus lanes and high-occupancy lanes on the State Highway network.

* A review of ACC levies relating to plug-in hybrid electric vehicles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4814780/Race-electric-cars-maddest-green-mania-yet.html
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August 23, 2017 3:01pm
- realityczech
  
  Jacko electric cars are fine for things like golf carts and other recreational vehicles used for pointless fun.
  
  What we need to focus on is electricity production and for that the answer is coal. Then wankers can drive around in their electric cars all they like.
  
  Edit: Why all those subsidies if electric cars are so shit hot ?
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    Griff might be able tell us whether cars running on coal-generated electricity will need to be fitted with ~~chimneys~~ funnels and whistles.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      My plan is a sustainable self funding model.
      
      When you register an electric vehicle you will be required to buy shares in the coal plants. Each electric vehicle will display a certificate showing the value of your shares along with the tons of coal burnt based on km traveled at time of registration.
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:16pm
Paul Marsden

Mr. Banks, Mr Banks, Mr Banks..(sigh), you of all people should know that the truth always rises to the top. How you can deliberately remain estranged from your biological son when you wear the mantle of a caring and loving family man, beggars belief. Shame on you.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909243
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August 23, 2017 3:05pm
- doggone7
  
  He knows from lots of occasions the truth didn’t rise to the top. He knew he always had accomplices to see that he wasn’t held to account.
  
  The latest disclosures put into context his scummy, ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude to all and sundry as a radio host on Radio Pacific.
  
  If any person in the situation as described in the paper today had come to be discussed on his show, he would have been savage, scathing and into it boots and all.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Pretty easy to prove it one way or the other with a DNA test.
  
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  August 23, 2017 4:21pm
  - Gabby
    
    Shagger Banksie doesn’t seem too keen.
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:40pm
- Gabby
  
  It wasn’t.. he didn’t.. it was Dolly.. Alzheimers coming back..
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:22pm
Jack5

The Battle of Stalingrad officially started 75 years ago today (says Wikipedia.)

Perhaps war historians like Milky can start a discussion that will help push the General Debate thread over 400 comments.

Some people say up to a quarter of the soldiers in the German Sixth Army were Russians – HIWIs. That ought to get the discussion rolling.
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August 23, 2017 3:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Who cares about 25 million dead Russians. How many were Jews ?
  
  Russia had the biggest population of Jews in the world at that time. Any Russian Jew who died was counted as a holocaust victim. Any non Jew was just a dead Russian. All Jews who died during world war two are counted as holocaust victims and any who survived are holocaust survivors. Regardless of the circumstances.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    That is bullshit. Why are you so anti-Jewish, Kia2?
    
    Is it the life-long struggle with string theory, while Jewish intellectuals easily dominate the Nobel Prizes.
    
    It should be enough to be of the cleverest birds.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      What part of that was anti Jewish or non factual ?
      
      It was based on what Jews themselves are taught. Why do you see historical facts as “anti” anything ?
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:43pm
- Jack5
  
  No bites yet except for Kea2’s.
  
  Okay, think outside the box.
  
  If, by some historical quirk, the British Empire had been on the German side, and the NZ Army had put up its hand and loaned the German 6th Army the Maori Battalion, would that have changed the outcome at Stalingrad?
  
  Hakas ringing out across the snow and the river, and scaring Red Army soldiers shitless in the Dzerzhinsky tractor factory building.
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:28pm
  - realityczech
    
    Do those facts have emotions like other facts do ? I cant tell if you are being anti Slavic or anti Germanic. Its hard to know what to pretend to be outraged and offended by.
    
    Please help me out by composing a list of historical facts that are actually emotions.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      Kea2 admits to trolling:
      
      Its hard to know what to pretend to be outraged and offended by.
      
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      August 23, 2017 4:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        Still waiting for you to point out what was wrong about my historical facts … or emotions as you like to call them ?
        
        I hope you weren’t “trolling” with your absurd accusation I am anti Jewish and your fake outrage. Do you think you can lie your way to heaven ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:07pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “If, by some historical quirk, the British Empire had been on the German side, and the NZ Army had put up its hand and loaned the German 6th Army the Maori Battalion, would that have changed the outcome at Stalingrad?”
    
    Probably not. Even with British help (which would not have amounted to much) I doubt that it would have been possible. If the USA was on board, then it might have been.
    
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    August 23, 2017 4:18pm
    - realityczech
      
      ” If the USA was on board, then it might have been”
      
      Oh the Yanks were on board alright matey. Supplying the German war machine.
      
      Ford continued to do business with Nazi Germany, including the manufacture of war materiel.[35]
      
      the German consul at Cleveland gave Ford, on his 75th birthday, the award of the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest medal Nazi Germany could bestow on a foreigner.[61] James D. Mooney, vice-president of overseas operations for General Motors, received a similar medal, the Merit Cross of the German Eagle, First Class.[61][73]
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
      
      Smile for the camera arsehole
      
      http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/
      
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      August 23, 2017 4:23pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Oh the Yanks were on board alright matey. Supplying the German war machine.”
        
        Ford was not the US government. He was not the President, or a member of the administration, or even just a member of Congress. Ford acted as an individual. So no, “the Yanks” were not on board.
        
        Lying is a sin Kea.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        There Were American Nazi Summer Camps Across The US In The 1930s
        
        During the latter half of the 1930s, a surprising number of Nazi-themed summer camps sprouted across the United States. Organised locally and without the support of Germany, these summer outings bore a startling resemblance to the Hitler Youth. Here’s what these camps were like — and how, for a short time, the Third Reich came to America.
        
        https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/11/how-american-nazis-used-summer-camps-to-indoctrinate-their-own-children/
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM’s technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.
        
        However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler’s program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler’s Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction.
        
        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ibm-and-quot-death-s-calculator-quot-2
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        The inside story of how General Motors helped mobilize the Third Reich
        
        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/general-motors-and-the-third-reich
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:52pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “There Were American Nazi Summer Camps Across The US In The 1930s”
        
        So what? Were they hugely popular with most Americans? No. Were they started by and run by the US government? No.
        
        The Brits had Oswald Mosely too. Does that mean the Brits were on board? No.
        
        As usual Kea, just trolling and talking shite.
        
        Trolling is for losers, and trolling behind false names and multiple identities is a cowards game.
        
        So, both a loser and a coward Kea. Was that your goal in life?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        “There Were American Nazi Summer Camps Across The US In The 1930s”
        
        So what?
        
        Shawn Herles KB 23/08/17
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:58pm
      - realityczech
        
        America and the Holocaust
        
        Where were the United States government and the American Jewish community during the destruction of European Jewry?
        
        The U.S. Congress passed new, restrictive quota laws in 1924 that limited the number of immigrants who could enter the U.S. from Europe each year. During the Nazi period, these quotas often were not filled, even though thousands of Jewish refugees sought admittance to the U.S. from Nazi Germany and Nazi-occupied territories.
        
        http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/america-and-the-holocaust/
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The First Labour Government of NZ wasn’t too keen on helping out Jewish folk before or after WW2.
        http://www.holocaustcentre.org.nz/remember/refuge-in-nz/government-response
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        True but at least we were not supplying the nazi and holding nazi rallies here, as they were in the US.
        
        The US has never been a force for good. It is always about the $$$$
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        True but at least we were not supplying the nazi
        You forget that the First Labour Government had a trade deal with Nazi Germany 1935-38.
        Between 1935 and 1938 exports of wool from New Zealand to Germany grow fivefold.
        What do you think those Nice German uniforms were made from?
        http://www.nzlii.org/nz/legis/hist_act/tazagra19371gv1937n4523.pdf
        
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        August 23, 2017 5:59pm
      - realityczech
        
        Labour helping their fellow socialists. Oh dear.
        
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        August 23, 2017 6:03pm
- Kimbo
  
  Some people say up to a quarter of the soldiers in the German Sixth Army were Russians
  
  And they left the Romanians guarding their left flank. Although Anthony Beevor in his brilliant book on the subject made the point they were poorly resourced. Plus they had the Italians (yikes!), the Hungarians, the Bulgarians, and even the Spanish Blue Divison too.
  
  Was arguably a doomed offensive from the start as the two attempted thrusts by the Wehrmacht – to the south into the Caucasus for the oil, and to the east across the Volga at Stalingrad to cut Moscow off from that oil – were divergent and could not support one another.
  
  Also, thanks for posting that audio link the other day of Hitler chatting to Finnish Commander-in-Chief Mannerheim in 1942. “If we had known the Russians has 25,000 tanks…!”. Yeah, but Napoleon could have told ya, Adolf – don’t invade Russia – especially with the British on your other front! 😉
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yes, they all get caught, Kimbo: long,long, indefensible supply lines, the winter deep freeze, and the oceans of deep mud in the thaw.
    
    Not to mention the hardiness of the Russian people.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes, that 62nd Army under General Vasily Chuikov hung on for grim death to the west side of the Volga. Sure, in bombing the place first the Germans unwittingly created the worst possible environment for the mobile warfare they were set up for and a perfect one for the Soviets, but it was such a close-run thing until the counter-attack that trapped the German 6th Army in the Kessel was ready.
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You reckon it was a genuine recording?
    
    I played it to the hubby….. (Mr Acoustics)…
    
    he said it would be easy to fake.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:37pm
    - Jack5
      
      Wikipedia’s account gives these details of the Mannerheim-Hitler recording:
      
      The Hitler and Mannerheim Recording is a secret voice recording of a private conversation between Adolf Hitler and Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland and Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Defence Forces, during a secret visit honoring Mannerheim’s 75th birthday on 4 June 1942. Thor Damen, an engineer for the Finnish broadcasting company Yle, succeeded in recording the first eleven minutes of Hitler’s and Mannerheim’s private conversation. Since Hitler never allowed anyone to record him off-guard, it had to be done secretly. Damen’s original purpose was to record official birthday speeches and Mannerheim’s responses. However, Damen decided to continue recording after the conversation switched from official to private.
      
      The SS realized that Damen was recording the conversation, and they immediately demanded to have it stopped. The SS were furious, but Yle was allowed to keep the tape hidden away, never to be opened. The tape was given to head of the state censors’ office, Kustaa Vilkuna, returned to Yle in 1957, and made publicly available a few years later. It is the only known recording of Hitler speaking in an unofficial tone and one of the very few recordings in which Hitler may be heard delivering a narrative without raising his voice.
      
      For those who haven’t heard the taped conversation, here’s a link to it on a Russian web site:
      
      http://tarubaru.ru/watch/oET1WaG5sFk
      
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      August 23, 2017 3:43pm
      - realityczech
        
        ” one of the very few recordings in which Hitler may be heard delivering a narrative without raising his voice.”
        
        Disgusting anti Germanic propaganda and hate speech. The portrayal of Hitler as a screaming maniac is war propaganda. Anyone who knows anything of German people and culture knows he would not have had any following if he behaved in such a way.
        
        I might have to report your anti Germanic comments to DPF once I finish vomiting and having seizures from all my offendedness.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair call seeing Hitler was…Austrian and likely 1/4 Jewish! 😉
        
        Now, does everyone know that the smiley face means I’ve covered my arse from the wrath of Poe’s law?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        A link to DNA testing that indicates Hitler was likely part-Jewish.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        “A link to DNA testing that indicates Hitler was likely part-Jewish.”
        
        I trust you will only speak of him in gushing reverential terms to avoid being called an anti semite ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Germans had tapes in 1942. It was state-of the-art technology.
        
        Did the Finns?
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:38pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …and as we’ve discussed before, don’t ever believe Herman Goering when he promises anything, including “my Luftwaffe can supply the encircled 6th Army, mein Fuhrer!” 😉
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:38pm
realityczech

Bimbo, why are you so anti German ?
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August 23, 2017 3:44pm
- mikenmild
  
  C’mon Kea, you can troll a bit better than that. When too many people catch on to the game what will you do?
  
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  August 23, 2017 3:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    There’ll always be Griff
    ?
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:57pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Usually he gets more and more frenetic for the attention until he gets a smack.
    
    Edit i see butt hurt has piped up.
    You know butt hurt I pointed it out the day before Kea was Banned.
    
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    August 23, 2017 3:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Why doesn’t this Kea fellow do what you have done Griff ?
      ============================
      Gruffydd
      
      Jack5
      Your support for the halfwitted troll is a shit on DPF.
      He was banned by the justice system on this blog .
      Both you and Maggy have no right to celebrate a troll breaking the blog owners rules.
      
      Griff – 1st warning – 7/10/14, 2nd warning – 7/12/14, 1st strike – 3/6/15, 2nd strike – 18/12/15, 3rd strike – 20/2/16, 4th strike – 18/5/16, 5th strike – 6/7/16, 6th strike – 12/3/17
      
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      August 23, 2017 4:02pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Why doesn’t this Kea fellow do what you have done Griff ?”
        
        Oh please, that Kea fellow is you. It’s not a case of there being some similarities. Your obsessions (women and Jews), your stances on issues, and way of phrasing things is identical, as in word for word identical. So is your trolling (Obama is an ape….the Jew declared war on Germany). Word for word the same.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        Shorn your mate Lucia reckons there is 30 to 50 Kea on KB and wants them all banned.
        
        Do you agree, or do you want to denounce her as a hateful vile lying lunatic ?
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=jews+declare+war+on+german&rlz=1C1JZAP_enNZ696NZ696&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSnt7Rv-zVAhUEabwKHebyAisQ_AUICigB&biw=994&bih=441
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:15pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Get a life Kea. Trolling is for losers.
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hahahahahahaha
      See, the stalker DKhead can’t help himself.
      Too stupid to know he is stupid.
      Soooo funny.
      
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      August 23, 2017 4:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        Go easy on him AoR he has had a rough day getting called out on all his lies and being revealed as a hypocrite. I think he is close to losing it and lashing out in a drug fueled rage again. I hope Maggy is okay !@
        
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        August 23, 2017 4:11pm
fluffykiwi

Thinking about Labour’s latest leader. She emphasises she is a home town gal great with fish and chips. I wonder whether she will be like the fish and chips, needing to be eaten immediately whilst the chips are crisp and the fish fresh, or will she be like day old fish and chips, going off, soggy and wrapped in yesterday’s news.
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August 23, 2017 3:51pm
Jack5

Four hundred posts on General Debate and it’s still afternoon.

As a mark of thanks to Kia2, a parrot story:

A parrot swallows a Viagra tablet.

His owner, disgusted, puts him in the freezer to cool off.

Later when he opens the freezer, he finds the parrot sweating.

“How come you are sweating?” he asks.

The parrot replies, “Do you know how hard it is to open the legs of a frozen chicken.”
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August 23, 2017 4:15pm
krazykiwi

UK Labour MP likes and re-tweets post that says raped and abused white girls should keep their mouths shut for the sake of “diversity”.
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August 23, 2017 4:23pm
- Longknives
  
  The vile Naz Shah is well known for defending her fellow Muslims at any cost.
  She is also a nasty Anti-Semite.
  To be honest she is pretty typical of The Political Left these days…
  
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  August 23, 2017 5:31pm
  - realityczech
    
    Most Middle Eastern Muslim are semites.
    
    Are you pro or anti them ?
    
    Semite
    ˈsiːmʌɪt,ˈsɛmʌɪt/Submit
    noun
    plural noun: Semites
    a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
    
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    August 23, 2017 5:33pm
  - GoVege
    
    Reminds me of that former Labour minister who called in the head of women’s refuge for a telling-off for drawing too much attention to Maori violence against women…
    Think she left to start another party where she was really in her element. ..come to think of it.
    
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    August 23, 2017 5:45pm
- Gabby
  
  Fake twit.
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:08pm
starboard

“Labour finance spokesman Grant Robertson has issued his first reaction to the Prefu numbers released today., but he gives little hint of how Labour will respond to the slight softening in the economic and fiscal track over the next few years”

Because he doesn’t know! He’s not a finance ministers asshole. Way out of his depth..same with Cindy and that horrible little grub Parker.
Onya bike..
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August 23, 2017 5:27pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  Apparently Labour is now ruling out any rise in personal tax rates.
  
  “If Labour leads the next government, Jacinda Ardern will not be raising taxes.
  
  “We are not campaigning on an increase in taxes for personal income, and it is not part of our plan,” she told media on Wednesday.
  
  Ms Ardern has completely ruled out raising even the top tax rate on income over $150,000.
  
  “That’s not going to happen. We will not be campaigning on the top tax rate, and I’ve no intention of giving that to the tax working group.”
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/government-s-books-reveal-2-1b-surplus-blip.html
  
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  August 23, 2017 5:45pm
GoVege

I see the Indian parliament has outlawed Muslim instant divorce.
So hope this progressive move doesn’t set off a round of revenge terrorist attacks.
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August 23, 2017 5:38pm
- realityczech
  
  Yeah India is known for its progressive ideas about women.
  
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  August 23, 2017 5:42pm
  - GoVege
    
    This one looks like an improvement RC…
    
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    August 23, 2017 5:51pm
Manolo

Another case of political correctness and a liberal absurdity:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/08/22/espn-pulls-asian-american-announcer-from-virginia-football-game-because-has-confederate-generals-name.html

In the wake of the events in Charlottesville, Va., ESPN decided to pull one of its announcers from calling a University of Virginia football game — because his name is Robert Lee.

Lee, an Asian-American sportscaster who started with the network in 2016, was moved to a different game “simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said, referencing the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.
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August 23, 2017 5:41pm
- Gabby
  
  The East will raahse again.
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:01pm
- nasska
  
  It could have been worse for the poor bugger had he been in NZ.
  
  Labour wouldn’t let him buy a house!
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:05pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’d have been kept on to keep the score though.
    
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    August 23, 2017 6:47pm
Monique Watson

Easy Now Fuzzy Little Man Peach. Have you ever drunk Bailey’s from a shoe?
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August 23, 2017 5:43pm
Manolo

One of Obama’s minions asks:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/08/22/james_clapper_i_question_trumps_fitness_wonder_if_he_is_looking_for_a_way_out.html
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August 23, 2017 5:47pm
stigie

It’s been a funny old day really, the Wn Fairy will be like a pig rolling around in mud, thinking up ways how he can spend all this money on some shit, kindly bought to him by the fiscal prudent National government.

2 ticks blue !~
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August 23, 2017 5:55pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu !~
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:00pm
  - stigie
    
    I think you’re frustrated and need a root Gobby..?
    
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    August 23, 2017 6:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      I’ll not take up your kind offer stinky, due mostly to your discharge.
      
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      August 23, 2017 6:45pm
    - Happychappy
      
      stigie: Fuck I wouldn’t give it one with your dick let alone my own.
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:54pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Not surprised – it’s a bloke.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:37pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Still obsessed with coprophagia.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:38pm
Prince

Tv1 news is suggesting National have cancelled the 2018 tax cuts. Any truth in that ?
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August 23, 2017 5:58pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  I think it was a reference to any further tax cuts, not to the ones already announced.
  
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  August 23, 2017 6:12pm
  - Prince
    
    Should have been but that’s not how they couched it in the pre-news blurb. Tax cuts are off the table.
    
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    August 23, 2017 6:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@GoVege

Don’t click on this link

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135
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August 23, 2017 6:58pm
- nasska
  
  Daily thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
  
  Help stop the violence……eat a steak today!
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:07pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Or at least gently suck on a nice salami if you feel you cant possibly swallow a big bit of raw meat! 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:13pm
    - starboard
      
      ..or a cheerio in mm’s case
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:31pm
  - KevOB
    
    Great time at present in Christchurch.
    
    First plum blossom (3) today. A dwarf nectarine will be next: little pink buds are set to go.
    A very exciting time to be watching over our orchard. Recommend marrying a gardener.
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Food has a face and can look you in the eye
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Too right, though as a cocky & ever aware of the value of good PR I prefer to refer to myself as a Vegetable Rights Activist. 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:23pm
Lucia Maria

58 out of 465 comments so far in today’s General Debate by realityczech! That has to be a record.
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August 23, 2017 6:59pm
- mikenmild
  
  How many for the others in the Kea stable?
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:01pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    None, as far as I can tell. Unless he/she is using some new names that haven’t hit the radar, yet.
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:05pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      I’m pretty sure there is at least three of them, though only two post regularly. That’s not counting the original “Kea” of course.
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:08pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        It’s hilarious when they start talking to each other. They don’t get as grumpy with themselves as they do with me! 😛
        
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        August 23, 2017 7:40pm
- Johnboy
  
  Instead of wasting your time doing statistics you should be having fun with me Lucia! 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    Stop mocking autistic people. The poor woman is clearly ill.
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:12pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Likes working with numbers, therefore … austistic.
      
      Yet another logic fail.
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        It’s your obsessions that define you. You are grossly disconnected from reality and right minded people. I can see straight through you. The veneer of reasonableness you try and maintain is flaky at best. You have a dark heart and are filled with conflict because of it. The world is a confusing place to you.
        
        You don’t even thank me for trying to help you out 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2017 7:45pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “It’s your obsessions that define you.”
        
        Like hating Jews and women, or constantly talking about fluids and wank stains? Oh wait…that’s you! 🙂
        
        “I can see straight through you.”
        
        Which one of you does the “seeing”? Kea, realityczech, JasonJohns, krissex? Do you all fight over who gets to use your eyes? 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2017 7:55pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        This ~~tarrot card~~ magic eight ball reading brought to KiwiBlog by realityczech, who will happily read the ~~cards~~ ball for anyone who annoys him/her to the extent that I have.
        
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        August 23, 2017 7:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        Shorn you should try prayer since it works so well LOL 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:02pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    What type of fun, Johnboy?
    
    I’m not sure you’re mentally stimulating enough for me, but give it a go!
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:42pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I was thinking that you and I could delve deeply into the meaning of the theory of relativity and how it could apply to heavenly bodies.
      
      If we’re very careful we shouldn’t produce too many relatives. 🙂
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        atta Johnboy, capable of warping KB through space and time.
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:19pm
    - nasska
      
      Put your prejudices aside & give him a try Lucia. I’m sure that under JB’s veneer of a sex maniac & deviant beats the heart of a true gentleman. 🙂
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:57pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Quite so nasska. Imagine me as a much larger and more handsome Compo Simonite and Lucia as Nora Batty! 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:01pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        The sex maniac & deviant veneer is very thick, Nasska. Good summary.
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:06pm
      - stigie
        
        Dont piss around JB, you haven’t offered Lucia your sheep dip turned high energy eco spa, how could one refuse such decadent and soothing hospitality..?
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:12pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  58 out of 465 comments so far in today’s General Debate by realityczech! That has to be a record
  
  I don’t think it would even be close.
  
  I can remember some threads getting pretty clogged up with the formerly retired wet blanket “Milkmaid’, the 14 year old student “Stephiegoy” or Schofield bible basher “Shawn Herles”
  
  RealityCzech by contrast is a joy to read with his erudite postings.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:30pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Not everyone can restrict themselves to just a few comments each day about the evil Jews…
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:33pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “or Schofield bible basher “Shawn Herles”
    
    Never read the Schofield Bible, and I strongly disagree with Dispensationalist theology anyway. Contrary to the claims by you and Reid, I’m a fairly mainstream Anglican evangelical, not a rapture ready fundamentalist.
    
    “RealityCzech by contrast is a joy to read with his erudite postings.”
    
    Oh dear…… 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 8:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Shawn Herles
      
      I’m a fairly mainstream Anglican evangelical
      
      Hmm. I acknowledge that realityczech’s post:
      
      “There Were American Nazi Summer Camps Across The US In The 1930s”
      
      So what?
      
      Shawn Herles KB 23/08/17
      
      …while bloody amusing for its sheer brazen audacity, was a grievous piece of trolling that ignored the context and intent of your comment. Also, you aren’t a Dispensationalist.
      
      But just out of interest, do you find other “mainstream Anglican evangelical(s)” readily embrace your interweb pronouncements and claim you as one of their own? Put it this way – in temperament you don’t strike me as much of an Anglican, especially mainstream. 😉
      
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      August 23, 2017 8:51pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Kimbo,
        
        “Put it this way – in temperament you don’t strike me as much of an Anglican.”
        
        If by Anglican you mean English, then no. I have noticed locally that some Anglicans seem very old English middle class in their politeness and desperation not to offend, and it’s true that my background makes for a different temperament. That said, given the global nature of the Communion, is there such a thing as an Anglican temperament anymore?
        
        “Also, you aren’t a Dispensationalist.”
        
        No, I think Dispensationalists are, to put it in an “Anglican” way, not quite right. 🙂
        
        Theologically I’m pretty much on the same page as N.T. Wright. More or less.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        If by Anglican you mean English, then no…That said, given the global nature of the Communion, is there such a thing as an Anglican temperament anymore?
        
        No, I was thinking of the NZ context.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:15pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Kimbo, so was I, as far as temperament is concerned. The NZ context seems very English to me, as in “be polite and never offend.”
        
        But honestly, whether I share the same temperament as other NZ Anglicans is not a question that keeps me awake at night.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, but I wasn’t asking about you in the first instance, more about those of the “fairly mainstream Anglican evangelical” whom you seem so ready to co-opt as implied supporters and sympathisers of your…views. Hey, I’m not the one who claimed you are one of them! 😉
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:31pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “more about those whom you seem so ready to co-opt as supporters and sympathisers of your…views.”
        
        I haven’t co-opted anyone at all, let alone local Anglicans, as supporters of my views on political issues, if that’s what you’re getting at. You’re not exactly making yourself clear.
        
        I simply said that I was, theologically speaking, a mainstream Anglican evangelical. Which is true. How you managed to conclude from that that I am co-opting local Anglicans as supporters of my political views is a mystery to me. I’m not doing that at all.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I understood your statement
        
        I’m a fairly mainstream Anglican evangelical
        
        …in more than just theological terms, at least in terms of the Anglican church. The Anglicans, more so than most churches in NZ are a cultural, social and political entity as much as they are spiritual and/or theological. Or is that not how you meant it?Odd given your cultural take…
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:48pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “…in more than just theological terms”
        
        Not to me. I meant it in purely theological terms. It was remember a response to EAD’s “Schofield” claim. so theology was the sole issue as far as I’m concerned.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough.
        
        And yes, I would have thought, other than a few hot-gospellers who followed the cult of Bill Subritsky and/or Hal Lindsey back in the 1970s and 80s, Anglicans didn’t succumb in great numbers to Dispensationalism.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But since when is Charismatic theology and spirituality “fairly mainstream Anglican evangelical”?!
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:25pm
Happychappy

So Winston First had to eat humble pie today and announce that his MP Richard Prosser got his Electricity Policy wrong and did not understand it after David Seymour called him a fucking idiot at a business luncheon earlier today.
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August 23, 2017 7:15pm
- stigie
  
  Prosser the tosser, what the hell was the guy thinking and saying at a luncheon full of business people and media..?
  Winston needs to get rid of the prick !~
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:26pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Quite right stigie there should only be room for one utter prick in the NZF party! 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:30pm
  - nasska
    
    At least it got Jacinda’s preferences in nail polish & household furnishings off the front page for a few hours. 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:32pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Seymour of the nasty party calls another MP a fucking idiot in front of a Deloitte business leaders summit. He might live like a student, look like a student, and think like a student but there’s no call to speak like a student.
  
  Seymour is feeling the strain I think. He’s clearly unfit for parliament.
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:33pm
  - starboard
    
    He got a rousing reception from the audience..good on ’em. He’s more than qualified to be in Parliament, unlike toothy and the rest of her grubby rabble.
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:46pm
    - sooty
      
      Maybe he was telling the truth. I don’t know either of them.
      
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      August 23, 2017 8:41pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    But Muttonhead, Prosser is a fucking idiot and Seymour was dead right to call him one.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:17pm
- niggly
  
  Listening to the audio where Seymour calls Prosser a “f-ing idiot”, seems like the whole place erupted into laughter! Might have done Seymour more good than bad – can only be a good thing for ACT!
  
  From the 2’15” mark:
  http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ckpt/ckpt-20170823-1726-nz_first_candidate_ridiculed_for_power_company_renationalisatio-128.mp3
  
  No wonder why Winnie was on the back foot spinning that Prosser got NZF’s official policy “wrong”! 😉
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:42pm
Gabby

Chch conv centre may cost a teensy weensy bit more than $240mill. What a fucken shocker.
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August 23, 2017 7:34pm
Happychappy

The Greens have decided to stand a candidate against Greg O’Connor in Peter Dunns electorate at the upcoming Election on September 23rd in breaking news.
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August 23, 2017 7:41pm
- Johnboy
  
  I can understand that. They must hate the idea that a loony, gun-toting maniac is representing the left. 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    O’Connor has always been a strong advocate for shooting people who don’t comply with AUTHORITY !!!
    
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    August 23, 2017 7:51pm
    - Johnboy
      
      It wouldn’t be so bad if your average cop could hit a barn door at more than ten paces. They need proper training before they should be allowed to carry. 🙂
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:58pm
      - realityczech
        
        Johnboy, That is not fair.
        
        You try hitting a 17 year old Tongan courier as he drives his van down the road delivering parcels.
        
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        August 23, 2017 8:55pm
    - KevOB
      
      The Ohariu Valley has unexplored potential.
      
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      August 23, 2017 7:59pm
    - RF
      
      Funny but even the knuckle draggers over on the Standard do not trust O’Connor and talk about Ardern knifing him when he is no longer needed.
      
      His flip flopping about arming the Police has pissed off more than a few cops.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        I would not trust the arrogant prick as far as I could kick him. Major power tripper who thinks his shit does not stink. Great fit with Labour.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:11pm
- niggly
  
  Woah internecine warfare is breaking out between the Greens and Labour! Just when O’Connor thought he had it in the bag!
  
  Will Taxinda smile and laugh this off pretending all is still well between Labour and the Greens? Like she did the other day when she claimed she “wasn’t” stealing the Green’s policies?
  
  Poor Jacinda – with Munro & H1 pulling her strings, making her knife those cuddly Greens that she actually probably quite likes deep down!
  
  Ain’t politics and being leader actually quite a harsh and really nasty reality! Especially with the puppetmasters lurking and laughing evilly in the shadows 🙁
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:50pm
Happychappy

The Greens won’t take Nationals vote so Hudson should have a fair chance of taking this seat for National now. Jacinda must have really pissed the Greens off.
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August 23, 2017 7:48pm
- KevOB
  
  Utu.
  
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  August 23, 2017 7:57pm
MrTips

The left is eating itself – bon appetit suckers!!
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August 23, 2017 8:31pm
Jack5

8.43pm: the towel’s been placed over Kea2’s cage for the night, and quiet returns to the village.
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August 23, 2017 8:43pm
realityczech

It has been a very emotional day for some. I’m a bit worried about Griff he seems to be telling more lies that usual and I’m worried his drug use is spiraling out of control. Again. It is not natural to worry about the weather that much.
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August 23, 2017 8:50pm
- nasska
  
  realityczech is the name.
  
  Faeces agitating is the game. 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:55pm
  - Brigitte
    
    I think his reality cheque has bounced
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Look, old parrot, he’s got a solar array on his roof and he’s off the grid. That’s what the Greens want for everyone. Weather will become as overridingly important to us all as it is now to fishermen.
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    I hope he is warm enough in his doomsday prepper compound. Maybe we should start a give-a-little page to buy him a nice big coal range.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:02pm
nasska

Kathleen gets out of bed, throws on her robe and slippers,uncovers the parrot, pulls up the shades, opens the window,
puts on the coffee and sits down to read the paper. The phone rings. A man’s voice says with anticipation. “Sweetie, I just flew in from Brisbane, I’ll be right over.”

She puts down the paper, turns off the coffee, closes the windows, pulls down the shades, covers the parrot, takes off her robe and slippers and gets back into bed.

The parrot says, “Shit! That was a short day.”
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August 23, 2017 8:53pm
- stigie
  
  Bwahahahaha. Classic !
  
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  August 23, 2017 8:57pm
Jack5

Whoops, I spoke to soon, the towel’s fallen off.

Kia2, you have Griff in fear. He’s heard what the mountain parrots do to wires on the roofs down on the West Coast.
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August 23, 2017 8:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1403035966/405/10171405.jpg
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August 23, 2017 9:09pm
EAD_TWO

The once tough as nails Southlanders, fresh from opening up a refugee compound in the Deep South, are drinking in the Frankfurt School multikult Koolaid.

If they’ve succumbed to the brainwashing down there, there is no hope for the rest of us!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/96021802/unity-and-diversity-simultaneously-celebrated

Apart from everything else – like the in-the-moment pleasures for the performers and their proud families – what’s been happening here is the abiding reward of developing, simultaneously, a deep sense of individual heritage and a broad appreciation of the rapidly increasing diversity within the south.
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August 23, 2017 9:11pm
- nasska
  
  …..”abiding reward of developing, simultaneously, a deep sense of individual heritage and a broad appreciation of the rapidly increasing diversity within the south.”…..
  
  Not to mention the bollards soon to be installed at the entrances to the shopping malls.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:18pm
  - realityczech
    
    I hope the local Maori are putting on a hangi for them with heaps of pork.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:28pm
    - Kimbo
      
      The local Rakiura hapu specialises in titi/muttonbirds and lambs tails, while the more recently settled Ngati Scottish iwi do swede. Don’t you geographically and socially ignorant North Isanders know anything?!
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:41pm
      - nasska
        
        Sounds like pretty bland fare. Needs perking up with bacon bones.
        
        Should put on a few kegs & a feed of crayfish to keep them going until the hangi’s ready.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:55pm
- Kimbo
  
  No, more like the same traditional NZ-Scots Presbyterian hospitality from south of the Waitaki that welcomed and embraced those who were “outsiders” like the Jewish Hallenstein Brothers, the Lebanese Catholic Lahoods and Fareys and the Chinese Sew Hoys. As long as the new migrant-refugees and their kids make the effort to fit in at work, school, neighborhood and play, they will be fine. If not, then the locals will soon soon give them the message there is a problem. Is the Otago-Southland way. They don’t need some Nazi fuckwit like you spouting on about the “Frankfurt School” to educate them how to get on with people.
  
  Are you a North Islander, and even worse, a Jaffa, by any chance? If so, let me give you the standard greeting those of us who come from the Deep South respond with when Sassenachs, Dorkland merchant bankers and latte drinking poseurs get when they stick their nose in what isn’t their business: Fuck off…
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:23pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Yeah Kimbo – in your rush to use big words and make a story fit in with your narrative, you completely missed the point.
    
    The newcomers aren’t embracing the ways of the Southlanders, the Southland students are being forced to wear grass skirts, put tattoos on their face and chant funny songs.
    
    The refugees are wards of the State unlike the people you mentioned who sought to carve out their own path in life from the sweat of their own brow.
    
    There was no such thing as housing benefit back in the 1800s unlike the current year
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:32pm
    - Kimbo
      
      you completely missed the point
      
      And the propagandists can’t help themselves with the emphatic adverbs. No, I didn’t miss you point, but you’ve missed mine. Here, let me clarify it for you – you are not, nor have ever been from South of the Waitaki?
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:36pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Does the University of Otago count? ?
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Well done!
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:45pm
    - realityczech
      
      EAD is it true ? Are you really a 110 year old German socialist like Kimmy said ?
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:37pm
  - realityczech
    
    Awwww Kimbo that is not very Christian now is it ? 🙂
    
    Baby Jesus cries when you talk like that.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Kimbo, your halo is glowing!
    
    The Hallenstein brothers weren’t really loved by the gold miners that they sold gear to at high, high prices.
    
    The Lebanese, overwhelmingly Christian rather than Muslim, assimilated well, and so, too, when they were too slowly allowed, did the discriminated-against Chinese.
    
    The Irish Catholics, such as Bill English’s family, merged in, too, though I think Bill English once said something it was like being in a sea of Scots.
    
    There are limited jobs in Southland. Some dairy farmers have been pushing for cheap Asian labour with the usual crap that local kids are useless, and there is a Chinese dairy plant emerging at Mataura, but, over all, jobs are definitely not abundant down south. Goodness help Southlanders in the next export trade downturn.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      They lived through and survived the 1980s, Jack5. Bottomline – if Southland is to avoid becoming the West Coast or Northland it needs…people. Time will tell if they have a good crop, but I back the locals to do everything in their power to turn ’em into good Kiwis. If they can’t. no one can.
      
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      August 23, 2017 9:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kimbo, Northland sounds to be pretty much the same.
        
        Where are the jobs, now?
        
        Forestry might pump up Northland, but where are the other jobs coming from? How has the increasing diversity in immigration helped NZ exporting? Where are the new export industries?
        
        Kimbo, you say: ” if Southland is to avoid becoming the West Coast or Northland it needs…people.”
        
        That’s the same cargo-cult bullshit: bring the people and jobs will magically appear. Remember NZ needs exports to support jobs. There are only so many ethnic restaurants, dairies, and takeaway joints the export industries can support.
        
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        August 23, 2017 9:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Since the Immigration Department decided to impose Muslim refugees on Southland there’s been a brainwashing campaign under way in the Deep South.
  
  Invercargill Mayor Shadbolt warned that it was possible there wouldn’t be enough jobs for all, but that hasn’t stopped the bureaucrats from smugly thinking takeaway joints will absorb all the newcomers.
  
  The Department of Immigration, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Race Relations section of the Human Rorts Commission have been waging a multikultural propaganda war in Southland.
  
  The ~~Fairfax~~ Stuff-owned Southland Times looks to have been an enthusiastic ally. From the photographs it publishes you would sometimes wonder whether any white girrls and guys are left in Southland.
  
  Despite the cries for diversity four women are contesting the Invercargill electorate this election: Sarah Dowie, the sitting National MP; Liz Craig, until recently a Dunedin-ite, for Labour; Ria Bond, a present list MP, for NZ First; and Rochelle Surundran, for the Greens.
  
  The Wellington bureaucrats have run the MultiKulture steam roller over Southland.
  
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  August 23, 2017 9:31pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Thanks Jack5 for your insights. Unlike Kimbo, it sounds like you have a deep understanding of what is going on down there rather than what you could find from a 1 minute duckduckgo search.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:36pm
  - realityczech
    
    The jobs will come when you get more people in there. I reckon it is a good idea putting refugees in the regions. Certainly better than pumping them into Auckland where things cost more and they will not assimilate with the locals.
    
    Most refugees make good citizens just as long as the PC crowd keep out of it.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:45pm
  - Jack5
    
    Of course a mountain parrot would be into a cargo cult.
    
    Bring the people, and the jobs will come! People still talk about how pumping the population up to 10 million will make us a super-state.
    
    The truth: we are a heavily export-dependent country; GDP per capita has already begun to fall, meaning population is outrunning economic growth; for about four or five decades NZ has been running balance of payments deficits, meaning we spend more than we earn; while doing well in Government debt, we have quite high private debt (through banks borrowing to pump money into the property market).
    
    We are pretty much a two-horse economy, dairying and tourism. It won’t be fun if both are hit at the same time.
    
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    August 23, 2017 9:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      I do not believe in pumping more and more people into the country, or even the world. I am a minimalist in most things including population.
      
      The single biggest environmental problem we face is population growth and unless we address that all our feel good green bullshit is for nothing.
      
      The fact is we are going to continue taking in refugees as we always have. I am just saying its best to stick them down south instead of up north.
      
      I think all religion is retarded so I am less worried about that. Just as long as they assimilate culturally with our society.
      
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      August 23, 2017 10:01pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Just as long as they assimilate culturally with our society”…..
        
        Muslims don’t assimilate with anyone other than other Muslims. Dollars down that in ten years time there’ll be a no-go ghetto somewhere in Invercargill.
        
        As for jobs……don’t make me laugh. The closest any of the workshy bludgers will get to employment will be walking past the jobs board at WINZ when they apply for their benefits. Their lifestyle of praying & breeding doesn’t leave time for work!
        
        Bad enough that we’re accepting them without reading Pollyanna claptrap about what they’ll contribute to NZ.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        You could be right. However not all Muslims are ignorant religious nut jobs. And not all refugees are Muslim.
        
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        August 23, 2017 10:22pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        A burka could work pretty well in the cold southland climate. Built-in balaclava.
        
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        August 23, 2017 11:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone watching “The State” on Nat Geog at the moment?

4-part “drama” about ISIS being broadcast world wide
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/21/channel-4-defends-isis-drama-the-state-after-criticism
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August 23, 2017 9:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,

Greenpeace in trouble again.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/energy-transfer-files-federal-lawsuit-against-greenpeace-international-greenpeace-inc-greenpeace-fund-inc-banktrack-and-earth-first-for-violation-of-federal-and-state-racketeering-statutes-300507851.html
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August 23, 2017 9:57pm
- realityczech
  
  They have ran into legal trouble in other jurisdictions from time to time. They are a very dishonest organisation.
  
  They also lost millions of dollars of donations in currency speculation as it came out the top executives flew to work in jets. 🙂
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:09pm
Jack5

563 posts! Good performance folk.

Good night, last one out put the towel back over Kia2’s cage.
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August 23, 2017 10:11pm
- PhilBest
  
  Wow! And I wasn’t even here all day, being too busy!
  
  Obviously more than usual page visitors, from the uptick scores on the early comments, too.
  
  DPF might have to consider having an AM and a PM General Debate like that bigger, more right-wing blog.
  
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  August 23, 2017 10:47pm
Manolo

The crook speaks:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/hillary-clinton-says-my-skin-crawled-during-debate-trump-n795136
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August 24, 2017 4:45am
- simpleton1
  
  Also a local crook who made good. That is internationally to the UN, where ‘birds of a feather gather together’.
  
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  August 24, 2017 6:35am
krazykiwi

I’m looking forward to DPF’s post on NZ First nationalising our energy companies.
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August 24, 2017 7:52am
- Manolo
  
  So do I.
  
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  August 24, 2017 8:19am
Manolo

Islam’s lovely embrace:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/845054/terror-threat-netherlands-rotterdam-allah-las-pop-concert-evacuated-police
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August 24, 2017 8:19am
starboard

Grant Robertson, liarbor ‘finance’ person wants to borrow 2 billion to pay back debt. Excuse me?
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