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Captain Mainwaring

If the late great Sir Colin Meads could have had one last achievement, it would be that he displaced the campaign launch of the Jacinderella Party from the front page of last night’s TV news.
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August 21, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  Very inconvenient for Cindy.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:13am
  - simo
    
    I think the “leader” of the leftie rabble will have to attend Sir Colin’s funeral this week in Te Kuiti.
    Will Jazza run the risk of a run into the rural hinterland?
    Will the locals have the muck spreaders ready!!
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:38am
    - Kimbo
      
      You do know that, like Helen Clark, Jacinda Ardern is out of the rural Waikato?
      
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      August 21, 2017 8:58am
      - kowtow
        
        Physically , but not culturally or philosophically.
        Those two are internationalist socialists, centred on the urban rabble.
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:12am
      - RF
        
        Her father was a cop, not a farmer…
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:42am
      - itstricky
        
        Her father was a cop, not a farmer
        
        We’re getting quite specific here. Can you please summarise it for me, so that I know when, and when not, I am allowed to mention famous NZers?
        
        I’ll check back in a couple of hours and make note of the rules.
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:56am
      - ztev
        
        Aderns father had a small farm, not as big as the farm Clark grew up on.
        
        Its only good when the leader of national grows up in a state house with parent on a benefit
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:55am
- marcw
  
  She still managed to soulfully drop in a mention in her launch speech. According to her, he is sure to ‘become a legend’. Umm … he IS a legend you dropkick.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:30am
  - Longknives
    
    It bugs me that Adern used Sir Colin’s death to score political points- Since she took over the Labour leadership all we have heard are relentless attacks on ‘Old White Men’ and Farmers..
    Sir Colin was both. Labour clearly detest that demographic so surely they could have maintained a dignified silence after his death??
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:39am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      I agree. Pure political opportunism on Ardern’s part – and hyprocisy. She wouldn’t relate to him or the time he came from and the NZ he represented – like Edmund Hilary – quiet, good men.
      
      But then you have the same types of women calling Gareth Morgan, this morning, a ‘sexist old dude’ (presumably to avoid the word ‘man’ and seem current – it still means ‘man’).
      
      The comment is both ageist and sexist. But that’s okay – it’s the Left and a young activist woman saying it. They can attack anyone they like, any way they like, any time they like.
      
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      August 21, 2017 8:55am
      - SGA
        
        Pure political opportunism on Ardern’s part – and hyprocisy.
        
        meh – and if she’d made no comment about his passing at all, someone else would be complaining about her deliberately ignoring the passing of an iconic NZer.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:58am
      - sam green
        
        Ed was a pretty much a lefty I understand.
        
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        August 21, 2017 4:30pm
    - Gabby
      
      Then you could have a crack at them for their lofty disregard of popular culture longknob.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:27am
    - itstricky
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Labour clearly detest that demographic
      
      Well that’s the longest bow in the land over the long bow hill, next to long bow valley, round the corner from longbowville.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:31am
  - cmm
    
    To be fair to Cindy:
    * she was born after he had hung up his boots.
    * comrades don’t play rugby.
    * he was a farmer.
    
    So why would anyone think she’s bother to get the details right?
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:39am
    - ztev
      
      A labour Mp is a former NZ Black fern in Rugby.
      
      How many in national have represented their country in any sport ?
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:58am
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Oddly enough, playing netball is not a skill I value in an MP.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:36am
      - srylands
        
        “Oddly enough, playing netball is not a skill I value in an MP.”
        
        Quite so. However the “Black Ferns” referred to by ztev are a rugby team, not a netball team. But I had to look it up.
        
        On Colin Meads, jacinda would have got respect by saying “Look I don’t know anything about rugby or Colin Meads. However I am aware he meant a lot to many New Zealanders. My sympathies to his family.”
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        How do you know Ardern knows nothing about rugby? Had a friend out of the rural Waikato, a feminist, who was about the best judge of how to take ball at no. 2 in the lineout I ever spoke to! Don’t underestimate Kiwi women. I mean, hey, you wouldn’t think it by first glance at her politics, but as a result of her background Jacinda could probably tell you a lot about a conservative 19th Century American frontier religion too!
        
        Oh, and Louisa Wall is a double-international, in both Netball (Silver Ferns) and rugby (Black Ferns). And no matter what you think of her politics, she is a good and astute commentator on rugby.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:52am
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        srylands, I stand corrected. Thank you.
        
        And I agree with the rest.
        
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        August 21, 2017 12:06pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Paula Bennett, in beneficiary-bashing.
        
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        August 21, 2017 2:51pm
- Gabby
  
  Hope that’s not true crusty. That would be lame.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:35am
Doubledimp

My TV is currently bust, so I can’t see Labour being hauled over the coals by TVNZ over Electoral Fraud using Art to avoid disclosing donors, and for David Parker threatening to raise the Water Tax in front of farmers. Can anyone give me a summary so far?
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August 21, 2017 8:04am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Don’t fix the TV, you have missed nothing.
  
  However, if the TV is broken, buy a pack of three as I can almost guarantee how the ‘broken TV’ scenario plays out
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:07am
  - cmm
    
    Or you can strap a bullet-proof vest over the front.
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:41am
- Prince
  
  It’s all over the Dompost this morning. Full investigation, concerned editorial, cutting cartoon.
  
  Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about rehashing Hager’s failed hit piece of six months ago.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:10am
- chuk
  
  Perhaps you could tune in to Red Radio. I’m sure they will want to fit this in before 9:00am, particularly as they forgot to mention it between 7:00am and 8:00am.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:24am
  - VicParking
    
    They were out of their depth with their Colin Meads interviews this morning. They are so used to running people down they had trouble praising someone. They did however had to bring up the Cavaliers, shame on them.
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:41am
    - Kimbo
      
      Why shame on them? Pinetree went to South Africa with the Cavaliers in 1986 and was never ashamed of it and never apologised, nor saw the need to. He believed and sought to practise “no politics in sport”, and didn’t view his involvement in the Cavaliers as in any way political. And he stayed mates with people like Ken Gray who had a different point of view…
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:24am
      - VicParking
        
        In spite of all the charity work Colin did and his Rugby of course they had to drag that up because they are leftys who are pissed off they were not old enough to protest the South African tour. I agree with what you said but at a time like this you dont kick dirt into a dead mans face.
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, I don’t think it is kicking dirt. It is a fact that Meads went, and in the course of a 60 year involvement in top level rugby, it was a notable event. Not the most notable, but nonetheless probably worthy of mention. Meads did in his (2nd) biography, just as he detailed his attitude to South Africa and politics in sport in his first biography, and in a rather blunt manner too. And he readily and willingly worked with Helen Clark in 2005 to help secure our successful 2011 RWC hosting bid.
        
        Sorry, but some people around here pointing the finger at Ardern and the “liberal media” are being precious and trying to make political capital themselves out of a man who didn’t have a precious bone in his body, was straight-talking, and who by his own admission was fiercely anti-political…including with NZ politics. He considered it divisive, at least as far as rugby was concerned.
        
        Only time he ever broke that stance was for the “Sportsmen for Rob Muldoon” campaign by Bob Jones in 1975. But that was because he believed in the issue of being able to play sport with South Africa, irrespective of their politics – which Muldoon was campaigning on in response to Norman Kirk’s decison to cancel the 1973 Springbok tour here, and in anticipation of the 1976 All Black tour to South Africa…
        
        Incidentally, there was a brilliant cartoon by Bob Brockie the Monday after Muldoon won that 1975 election. There had first been a “Citizens for (Bill) Rowling” and “Clergy for Rowling” campaign that prompted the counter by Bob Jones. So Muldoon is sitting at his desk, looking at some lists on his wall that include:
        
        All Blacks for Muldoon
        Meads
        Jarden
        Williams
        Batty
        
        and…
        
        Citizens and Clergy for Rowling
        Excel
        Hillary
        Palmer
        Reeves
        
        …and Muldoon is speaking on the phone:
        
        “Hello, is that you, Pinetree? Rob here…yes, Rob Muldoon. Look, I’m thinking of making a few changes. How would you like to be an archbishop?”. 😉
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:55am
      - Kimbo
        
        Put it this way – the best team that Meads considered he ever played in was Wilson Whineray’s 1963-64 tour to Britain, Ireland and France, that played 36 games, lost only one (to Newport, 0-3), and drew one with Scotland (0-0), and that record was a reflection of the unity and spirit in that side.
        
        You look at the guys on that tour, and the professions and courses they took in future life, including some in politics, and how they likely voted:
        
        Whineray (captain of industry but later opposed to sport with apartheid South Africa)
        
        John Graham (conservative educator, but opposed even then to sport with apartheid South Africa)
        
        Don Clarke (farmer and then stock agent who moved to South Africa and publicly defended the need for apartheid at every possible opportunity)
        
        Waka Nathan (Maori brewery worker from Otahuhu, not allowed to tour South Africa at that time)
        
        Mac Herewini (Maori brewery worker from Otahuhu, not allowed to tour South Africa at that time)
        
        Ken Gray (farmer, later opposed to sport with apartheid South Africa so much so he did not tour there in 1970, and became a Labour Party candidate)
        
        Chris Laidlaw (student, later Rhodes Scholar, toured South Africa in 1970 because liberal South Africans advised him that a multi-racial All Black team would help to speed up change, but as a result of what Laidlaw saw there, by 1972 opposed to sport with apartheid South Africa so much so he discussed it in his book in 1973, later a diplomat who worked for the Commonwealth Secretary General who helped draft the Gleneagles Agreement, and later still a Labour Party MP and Radio NZ host)
        
        …and it was a microcosm of NZ rugby at its best – a true force for unity, in spite of race, religion, and politics. That’s what Colin Meads lived and believed
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:14am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Thankyou for coming to your senses defending Meads’ trip in 1986 Kimbo. His visit to Suid-Afrika at a time when it was being isolated internationally by a communist conspiracy and attacked internationally by ANC black supremacist terrorists was a huge boost for the Boer people at a critical moment in their long struggle. He is a hero to the Boer resistance.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:47am
    - Gabby
      
      That was Joe Romanos, who reckoned Meads wasn’t the sharpest political operator. You know differently?
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:29am
      - Random T Person
        
        Meads was a politician?
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:35am
      - pdm
        
        Sir Colin could never have been a politician.
        
        He did not tolerate fools!!!
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:59am
      - ztev
        
        “He did not tolerate fools!!
        
        he spruiked for a failed finance company shows HE was the fool, as he knew nothing about financial probity
        “solid as, I’d say”
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:05am
      - ztev
        
        Provincial Finance collapsed in 2006 owing investors about $300m.
        
        Long before the GFC
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:11am
      - Happychappy
        
        He was a lot sharper than a little germ like you gobstop.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:31pm
Paulus Gnome

One final thank you for the great Sir Colin Meads; knocking the bastard labour sympathetic media off there perch for 45 minutes this morning before Taxinda got her first mention on Rabble Red.

A last memorable half (with injury time), well played Sir Colin!

Sorry Captn’ you are faster off the mark than me, that is what makes you the Captn’ and me the stoker!
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August 21, 2017 8:04am
starboard

Gareth called Cindy a pig with lipstick..lol.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95970406/live-kids-and-hivis–bill-english-and-jacinda-ardern-back-on-campaign-trail
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August 21, 2017 8:05am
- CHFR1
  
  Not too sure this will play well as he has now just allowed the “you only said that because I am a woman” card.
  Not saying it is fair but I am unsure how the average Kiwi woman (who seems to be in love with Helen the younger) will react and I fear it will not be as you and I did.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Gareth was making a VALID POINT! I don’t rate the man, but he is right, Cindy needs to prove she is a woman of substance, not just a somewhat attractive wrapping.
    Some people are too sensitive and attack any statement they disapprove of. ?
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:52am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      The Left in USA didn’t have any problem attaching the label to Sarah Palin.
      
      So it’s okay when the Left do it.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:59am
    - sam green
      
      And some people attack a person’s looks……
      
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      August 21, 2017 4:38pm
- kevn
  
  Yes, no but… labour and policies as the pig, with Adern as the lipstick. Funny how some folk get upset about the comment. Morgan is quite on the money really.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:40am
  - CHFR1
    
    Totally agree she is lipstick on a pig but our media have become a prateorian guard of sorts they will fight on her behalf. Come to think of it that may backfire spectacularly as most women I know are more than capable of looking after themselves.
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:52am
  - itstricky
    
    Funny how some folk get upset about the comment.
    
    Quite right. Imagine how many upticks I would have got if I’d said Paula was a pig with lipstick…
    
    Aye, Keeping Stock! Am I right? Am I? 😉 Am I? 😉
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:18am
    - Gabby
      
      Pullya would eat you for a light snack and scarf the lippy for afters.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:32am
      - lifesgood
        
        Zip it sweetie.
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:59am
    - Ross12
      
      You did not read kevn’s comment just above your’s.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:43am
    - itstricky
      
      Yes I did read it, but six of one; half a dozen of the other. Same old, same old. Predictable results.
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:00am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, I don’t agree with Gareth on much but he is right here. The people taking offence to the comment on Facebook seem to be low-information voters who haven’t heard of the phrase. They only teach them these things in school if there is enough time after feminist and Maori studies.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:10am
- KevOB
  
  Now the pigs are complaining.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:29am
- Postitrote
  
  She’s the lipstick. Labour is the pig. Media and hysterical twitter fools will frame this as ‘sexist rich bastard Gareth’ vs ‘sweet Jacinda with the pretty hair’ but in doing so they’re just proving his point.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:49am
  - PhilBest
    
    Exactly, I got that too when I read it. If anything it is a complement to Jacinda in the context of an intentional insult to Labour.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:17am
Nigel Kearney

When he said ‘lipstick on a pig’ I thought it was pretty clear the ‘pig’ was the Labour Party not Jacinda. It’s quite an apt analogy. But of course you expect the PC crowd to jump all over this and start shrieking about sexism.
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August 21, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  She’s got to be careful about complaining too much. They came running to her defense over babygate. Now she’s called them in again in lipstickgate. Soon they’ll get tired.
  
  There’s a morality tale about this: The Boy That Cried Wolf. Of course Labour isn’t big on morality, so they likely don’t understand the message.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:16am
  - Gabby
    
    Has she cmmiebokkie? When was that? Did you see the Bat Signal on the Gotham skyline?
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:34am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Is he trying to garner sympathy for Jacinda. He does want a left government, he doesn’t actually want to be in government so is he playing this card for that purpose.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:40am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Didn’t see many snowflakes going full retard when Obama made the same Lipstick comment about Sarah Palin in 2008.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:41am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    This was said at the time after Obama received some criticism:
    
    “Obama aide Anita Dunn responds to the McCain campaign’s claim that Obama compared Palin to a pig:
    
    Enough is enough. The McCain campaign’s attack tonight is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy – the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run. “
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:45am
    - Gabby
      
      You evidently agree with that explanation rimmers.
      
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      August 21, 2017 5:45pm
- cmm
  
  In this post gender society how is it sexist to refer to lipstick?
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:18am
  - Lance
    
    It’s simple
    If you are not actively running down white non-poor hetrosexual males you are a sexist elitist pig. Everything you say is evil and to be mocked.
    
    Any logic will be scoffed at mercilessly.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:52am
  - sam green
    
    It’s not cmm – what shade do you wear?
    
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    August 21, 2017 4:39pm
duggledog

I see TVNZ’s ‘Vote Compass’ is back, featuring a bright red ‘Vote’ logo complete with bright red tick, next to the big red first page.

No wonder Shane Taurima was allowed to run his campaign from TVNZ.
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August 21, 2017 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  To be fair the red is TVNZ’s usual palette colour, but that says something in itself.
  
  The vote compass questions indicate to me what’s wrong with political discourse in NZ. Intentions are drawn from responses to a set of singular, topical issues, while I’m more interested in guiding values and policy.
  
  A question like “Which is more important to you: Equality of wealth distribution, or equality of opportunity?” is, in my view, more valuable research than a barrage of questions about drug legalisation, charter schools etc.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:06am
  - VicParking
    
    Labour gives you the opportunity then taxes you so much you can’t afford it.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:42am
- Gabby
  
  And National Radio’s renaming itself dungledung.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:35am
- Fletch
  
  I took the test yesterday. It is interesting to see that most of the political parties are clumped up on the top left (economic left, /social progressive). Only National and Act are near the right/centre at all, with New Zealand First being more centre/left.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:24am
  - krazykiwi
    
    ACT are further to the left today than Labour was 30 years ago. Our entire political spectrum has been panning left, as NZers discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:34am
figure8

Jacinda was President of the International Union of Socialist Youth from 2008 to 2010 so I thought I’d see what ideas she was promoting which can be found in their manifesto – IUSY Global Political Manifesto Booklet 2016 [EN]. The ideas they promote include: one world government in a democratic UN; equality of outcome (not just opportunity); the right to define one’s own gender (I presume this is in opposition to gender being biologically determined); education cannot be commercial; global welfare and global redistribution of income, wealth and resources etc; global financial transaction taxes and regulation; free movement (immigration) of people; abolition of the international ‘visa’ system, quota systems for women across all roles (i.e. equal outcomes in every role regardless of merit).

It would be great if the MSM would ask her if she stands by the manifesto she promoted as President of the IUSY. What are her plans to help implement the manifesto if she is PM of NZ?

I guess she would have hoped Helen Clark would get the UN job and be her boss as PM of NZ!
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August 21, 2017 8:10am
Paulus

Great to see the Labour Party’s announcement on Policy yesterday.
What Policy ?
Steal the Green Party’s policies – whatever that is.
So Labour have now become Labour Green Party.
Labour have always wanted to stuff the Greens – now they have succeeded.
They will mop up any former Green voters and Labour will help the Greens to fade into oblivion.
But I assume that other than taxing the farmers on water and everybody else what policy ate Labour Greens going to come up with.
Nothing I expect, so the many tax increases will not come as a surprise to anybody.
Socialists like spending other people’s money.
I was amused to see the adoration of the new Queen, along with the older wrinkly version, yesterday at the launch, but caution this as we know that the left are usually rather fanatical in their desires – a bit like what is happening in the USA, only we hope it will not happen here if Labour Green do not take power in September.
These people get upset if their wishes do not materialise.
Policy – what policy ?
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August 21, 2017 8:11am
- PhilBest
  
  Its nice to see National (Labour Lite) come up with something once in a while that Labour probably won’t copy – Roads of National Significance seems to be about the only example right now. Even then National is quick to pay homage to “meeting CO2 emissions reductions targets” and “investing in commuter rail and trams” so as to not leave any lefty territory unconceded.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:25am
  - kevn
    
    Who can remember about 9 years ago that Key said our major roading were in need up of upgrading. Check out the highways between Akld/Waikato now. Even around BOP. Just hasn’t stopped. Great.
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:43am
- Gabby
  
  Just wait til they start nicking back nats policy.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:36am
- KevOB
  
  The American disease has already overcome political Labour in NZ.
  
  They have lost reason as well as their need to exist.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:34am
Happychappy

Lipstick on a pig if a National MP has said that the media would have Dirty Politics as the number one story and be playing it for all its worth, the artist donation money laundering scheme if National were doing it it would be headlines in all news so when are they going to ask the hard questions about the $200,000 dollars rumoured to be taxpayers money that Labour had donated to help them fund the change the government movement run by Matt McCartern.
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August 21, 2017 8:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would hope any National MP would have enough common sense not to make such a comment. There is no way I will vote Labour but such a comment probably would not even be wise referring to Turei. Call her all sorts of names regarding her actions but not her appearance.
  
  If Bill English made such a comment about Cindy it could mean Labour could be ahead. This is 2017. Women have had the vote over a hundren years.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:33am
  - PhilBest
    
    You not reading the comments above yours? Cindy is the lipstick, not the pig. The pig is the Labour party. I got it that that is what Gareth was saying.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:20am
  - Adolf Fiinkensein
    
    Yes Chuck. However you must concede that horse jokes are appropriate for Adern and pig jokes for Turei.
    
    I mean, hell, nobody turned a hair when people called Jim Bolger ‘Spud’ because he looked like one.
    
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    August 21, 2017 5:07pm
- VicParking
  
  Red radio evan managed to find an abscure Australian politican who said that “NZ and AUS where still a tight as ever” no matter that Julie had to say. That was the only mention of the Hip-Kiss back stabbing. As said aboce Paintgate is well and truely under the carpet.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:48am
  - Gabby
    
    Maybe a nat should mention it. Jawsie’s got pretty clean hands, he could opine on the matter without getting shit back over nats fundraising you betcha.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:40am
wreck1080

I see the rose petals out there have taken great offense with famed cat-hater Gareth Morgan and his lipstick on a pig comment.

Surely it is a valid expression? He is stating that labour are a poorly performing political party and that the new leader will simply continue the same-old with poor policy.
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August 21, 2017 8:12am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Yes but you have to have a reasonable understanding to get what he was trying to say. What is the phrase, think first before commenting. One would assume he is referring to the labour party as a “pig”. But the snowflake socialist types are always waiting to be offended and will be offended at any moment.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:48am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s like when folk talked about Obama ignoring the nword in the woodpile, or getting uppity. Everyone with any sense knew there was no oblique insult or slur at all.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:43am
  - KevOB
    
    If they can never not be offended how then can they be pleasured?
    
    The American disease is a cruel wasting malady.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:36am
- Longknives
  
  Lizzie ‘Expert on Everything’ Marvelly is outraged…
  
  *Grab your Popcorn folks!
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:33am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I loved Sean Plunkets reply to Marvelly’s twitter feed:
    
    “Oh FFS be offended then its clearly what you want”
    
    I’m am suprised that the Herald included that part of the screenshot.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:46am
duggledog

Paulus

The once mighty Labour Party has been pushed into Green territory that only a generation or two ago would have been described as insane.

This is because Labour Lite has pushed them there
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August 21, 2017 8:14am
- Happychappy
  
  What a load of crap Labour’s votes were there and they have found the formular to get them back.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:41am
- KevOB
  
  Labour have gone willingly having succumbed to the American disease.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:38am
  - PhilBest
    
    The American lefty progressive’s disease. At least in America there is also a sizeable constitutency that still believes deeply in stuff like the four freedoms. Hence the “division”. Most of the west where there is “less division” it is because the left is largely getting its way unopposed.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:26am
  - Gabby
    
    Merkin dizzies! Merkin dizzies!
    
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    August 21, 2017 5:55pm
krazykiwi

I see the umbrage warriors are out over Morgan’s ‘Lipstick on a Pig’ comment.

I went looking for a cartoon on the subject, and there are 100’s, and a good portion of them making a political statement.

Politics is a bear-pit. Let’s see if Cindy deals with it like a leader, or instead conjures up juvenile outrage.
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August 21, 2017 8:17am
Simon

Arden has called climate change fraud this generations nuke free issue. Pure play to out mong the greens.

If the leader of Labo is big on climate fraud then the greens no longer have a purpose. A bit like UKIP and brexist.

James “safe space” Shaw an utter non enity who has let the genuine environmentals in the greens to be killed off by female SJW will struggle against the glorious green goddess Arden.
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August 21, 2017 8:17am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Arden has called climate change fraud this generations nuke free issue.
  
  It’s a good analogy because, in both cases, left wing activists bleated about it incessantly but only a few minor changes were made and the doomsday predictions have not happened.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:55am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Climate change isn’t about climate, nor is it about change.
    
    It is about control, that word so dear to the Left.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:31am
    - Gruffydd
      
      LOL
      Climate change is about physics.
      
      The politics only comes into it when you consider solutions .
      
      One side sticks their collective head in the sand and witters fuckwit talk of conspiracy , hoax and waffles stupid Pratts..
      
      The other suggest solutions .
      
      If you find left wing solutions unpalatable suggest your own.
      
      Or you Will be left behind .
      
      Fortunately The sentiment on here is not shared by any viable political party in this country.
      
      Leaving you whacks howling at the moon.
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:05am
      - pdm
        
        Gruffy – let me help you.
        
        Climate change is nothing more than NATURE doing what it has always done since time began.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:19am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Q.E.D.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:41am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Griff, you appear to struggle with multi-dimensional issues. I guess it could be the drugs. Who knows. One thing is certain: climate change is a political construct designed to increase control over the hoi pollio. If you researched the original mandate of the IPCC, and assuming you understand science (which might be a stretch), you’ll see that the very basis of global warming / climate change / global climate disruption research is profoundly un-scientific. We’ve had this discussion before, but you’ve proven yourself impervious to the truth.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:46am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yip its all a power play for control .
        Those evil fucken scientists planing to take over.
        Every major scientific body has been taken over by the alarmists almost all the worlds governments are also involved even the pentagon for Christs sake.
        
        Meds mate it might help your delusions.
        
        http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/files/2017/01/2017-scientific-organizations-climate-change-statements.jpg
        http://www.sciencemag.org/…/trump-s-defense-chief-cites-climate-change-national-security-
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:06am
      - mikenmild
        
        krazykiwi’s comments make it clear that faking the moon landings and jet aircraft hitting the WTC were child’s play in comparison to the climate change conspiracy…
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:10am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Those evil fucken scientists planing to take over
        
        No Griff. They’re simply responding to incentive constructs which are presented to them. It’s a perfectly rational human trait.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:20am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Griff, the fact that carbon based gases have a heat trapping effect is science.
        
        But the assumptions plugged into models to get temperature predictions 80-100 years into the future are not science. They are statistical guesswork at best and pure politics at worst, and those models have a large degree of uncertainty and a poor track record so far.
        
        The whole thing is driven by people who have always wanted to tax the most productive and redistribute wealth. If they get to use ‘climate change’ to justify doing this, you can bet the tax and spend will be in line with their pre-existing economic ideology, not narrowly targeted at slowing temperature reduction.
        
        The bottom line is we’re better off doing nothing.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:21am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Nigel Kearney
        
        …The bottom line is we’re better off doing nothing.
        
        Um, even if one accepts the preceding premises that you argue – some of which seem/may be valid and/or relevant –
        
        …how did you get to that non sequitur?
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:27am
      - Gruffydd
        
        I think I answered you both with my first comment.
        
        Baying at the moon is rather cute .
        In a look a wacko sort of way.
        
        But meantime back on planet earth. You wingnuts don’t count when it comes to climate change ….because you chose not to.
        
        We are heading to a carbon free future.
        
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        August 21, 2017 12:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        “These Chinese corporations are building or planning to build more than 700 new coal plants at home and around the world, some in countries that today burn little or no coal”
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html?mcubz=3
        
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        August 21, 2017 12:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        We are heading to a carbon free future.
        
        Not we’re not. Carbon is an abundant and key component of all life on Earth. You, Giff, are 18% carbon.
        
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        August 21, 2017 12:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A carbon-free future equates to death.
        
        See how long you can breathe in a CO2-free environment.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26335642
        
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        August 21, 2017 4:17pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Oh look all the halfwits are out.
        
        Gee is it so hard? or do you idiots need to be spoon feed every single bloody detail like a bunch of preschoolers?
        
        Dont bother I already know the answer.
        Anything to avoid addressing reality because it hurts your poor poor pathetic whacko brains.
        
        For the screen lickers and friends.
        Carbon free = Not emitting CO2 into the atmosphere due to burning fossil fuels .
        
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        August 21, 2017 4:59pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Ardern didn’t use that to out mong the Greens.
  
  She used it to try to elevate herself to the stature of Lange – and try to engage those who followed him. Just as she mentioned Colin Meads.
  
  It’s shameless and contemptuous name-dropping with the usual ‘no substance’ behind it. But spin is Labour’s dominant skill.
  
  Note the Liberal / Left MSM with the Labour artist ‘donors’ to launder large donations, as well, writing a headline about both Labour and National et al when the only meaningful bit in it is Labour ‘s behaviour. If it were National, it would only be about National. Since it’s Labour doing it, they feel a need to be balanced and spread the blame equally.
  
  I might add, brings to mind Clark’s own fraudulently signed painting. But despite the obvious connection, not a word.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:10am
- KevOB
  
  Unfortunately climate change may be towards lower temperatures.
  The ETS is a scam for global control.
  “What carbon markets”? Financial chicanery.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:44am
Rodney Randall

The AM show got red pilled by a NZ professor on fake news this morning.

Ananda and Eric are still nursing their wounds.

Both are parrots for the Washington Post and New York Times.
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August 21, 2017 8:21am
- Gabby
  
  Is red pilling what cuck soccers do random.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:46am
Southern Raider

Jacinda made it clear yesterday that she is going after the farmers for everything. She is really going to fuck this country

First they came for the water I used to grow things that fed people, next they came for the farts from my animals and then they came for ….
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August 21, 2017 8:22am
- starboard
  
  “Its ok Comrade, just come into this room for a minute”…
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:30am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Perhaps she is a secret vegan. Her “fur” coat is made of synthetic.
  Now there is something to “bash” the city folk about, those dreadful fleecies and hoodies made of that dreadful material that pollutes the water whenever they are washed with little beads of stuff that goes into the water system.. So maybe a tax on fleecies and hoodies and any other similar material as they apparently are the worst polluters.
  Get knitting and wear merino being non polluting, apart from the fact that that wool comes from those dreadful polluting animals so despised by labourites.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:46am
- Gabby
  
  for…
  your GREAT BIG BUSHY BEEARD.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:46am
krazykiwi

“Whoever you vote for this year, choose a grown up” – Deborah Hill-Cone.

That’s good advice.
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August 21, 2017 8:28am
PhilBest

Beautiful letter in the DomPost this morning from one Gavan O’Farrell. The Left are hypocritically issuing moral judgements on a daily basis, when their whole revolution (sixties onwards) was based on morality being all relative and that there is no absolute standards to base anything on.

Now they are condemning Trump for condemning “violence on both sides” because “the sides are not morally equivalent” (notwithstanding that violence being done on both sides is witnessed and visually recorded fact).
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August 21, 2017 8:30am
- doggone7
  
  There must be rights able to be bought/sold/used for hypocritically issuing moral judgements on a daily basis.
  It’s not fair that those of from the right should be cut out of the market. Not that anyone of such persuasion would ever hypocritically issue moral judgements of course,ever, let alone daily.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:51am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Their condemnation of Trump for condemning violence on both sides is the natural product of any totalitarian movement.
  
  Totalitarian movements are predicated on the idea that they are ‘right’ and ‘moral’ and therefore any means of suppressing dissent is valid. And they really, genuinely believe it, hence the expression – “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.
  
  Anyone who thinks the whole of Germany under the Nazis got up every morning saying to themselves, “Today we’re going to commit as much evil as possible” is deluded. They believed what they were doing was ‘right’ and that, okay, some things weren’t the best, but the ends justify the means – you can’t wait for it to happen ‘organically’. You have to make it happen if you’re ‘sincere’ about everyone’s ‘welfare’ and ‘teaching the right thing’.
  
  Trump has a strong, individual mind and character. He’s anaethema to anyone who thinks or behaves rationally and/or as a moral individual and/or encourages others to do so.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:43am
  - mikenmild
    
    He’s anathema (sic) to anyone who thinks or behaves rationally
    
    I agree.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:52am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Granted. Got it the wrong way round.
      
      “He’s anaethema to anyone who doesn’t believe in thinking rationally, and/or as a moral individual and/or encourages others to do so.”
      
      The Liberal/Left believe they have the right – any and all rights to violence – to impose their ‘morality’.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:57am
  - realityczech
    
    People don’t learn. They fantasize the German socialists were uniquely evil. They can not see that our own society is full of people who would be just as severe in their methods… if only they had the power.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:55am
    - jcuk
      
      You only have to read KB and The Standard to meet them too.
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:50am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Trump has made the principled stand of defending the ‘fine people’ who came to Charlottesville to protest peacefully. They came in peace and their torchlit march was a beautiful thing.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:44am
    - Fletch
      
      Perhaps they just couldn’t see where they were going? Maybe it’s not very well lit 😉
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

An excellent opinion piece on water by an Ashburton cropper.

https://yournz.org/2017/08/20/an-ashburton-farmer-on-vitriol-and-inconsistency-in-the-water-debate/
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August 21, 2017 8:30am
- john
  
  Thanks for the link, I read it on FB last night, a very good summation.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:08am
- GazzaW
  
  Hosking talked about the old Belfast wool scouring plant that used tens of thousands of litres of water daily for years free of charge without complaint from the locals. The plant has since closed and been replaced by a water bottling company owned by a family with a Chinese-sounding name. The very same water, once used for scouring wool for export is now being exported direct. We can’t have that according to the local water-Nazis and fellow-travelling xenophobes. Close them down!
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:34am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thanks GazzaW. A couple more questions:
    1. How much more water was used for the wool scouring compared with what is proposed to be put in the plastic bottles?
    2. In what condition was the water out the other end of the scouring plant in when it was put back in the environment?
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:42am
    - GazzaW
      
      Totally irrelevant. Such revisionist thoughts will not be tolerated by Water Commissar Parker come 24 September.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:52am
      - VicParking
        
        Double their charge for even thinking that
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  Great item.
  
  His point on urban water quality is well made.
  
  Interesting that Cindy is making “climate change” such a rallying point ,and the media running with it , when the residents of our largest city get to imbibe sewerage on a regular basis.
  
  To me this sums up where these rabble rouser politicians and their thicko low IQ emotion driven followers are at.
  
  What’s more important , drinking someone else’s shit every time it rains or make believe climate change?
  
  Get real.
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/337542/auckland-stormwater-system-needs-very-expensive-upgrade
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:58am
JasonJohns

In Seattle alt-right patriots are rallying against a statue of hate. Tear Lenin down!
https://www.facebook.com/Seattle-Tear-Down-this-Vladimir-Lenin-statue-359799191023/
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August 21, 2017 8:33am
Manolo

Nutter Morgan vs Comrade Jacinda:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/morgan-calls-ardern-lipstick-on-a-pig/ar-AAqoI0K?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

The Opportunities Party leader Gareth Morgan has come under fire for referring to Labour leader Jacinda Ardern as “lipstick on a pig.”
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August 21, 2017 8:35am
- Inandout
  
  Can’t you see Morgan is placing subliminal thinking into the Muslim community voters? Labour Party/Jacinda tainted with pork would be a real turnoff, and add to the mix vegetarians and you have half the Green vote. Brilliant move Gareth.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:05am
- Ross12
  
  The interesting thing about this Manolo is it is only a couple weeks ago or less that Gareth said TOP would “fold their tent” if Labour took on all their policies.
  Maybe Cindy or one of her minders told him to “take a hike”, on the offer.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:52am
Dafixeruppa

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone can tell me whether there is an electoral party that is challenging the incumbent Labour party for the role of governing the country.
I have been trying to find out through the various media streams, but it appears as though the presidential party of Jacinda, which by all accounts (in the MSM) are the current reigning incumbents, is the only party of any note standing.
I have read a little about some guy that dislikes cats and likes to be on TOP and there was a funny old clown fellow that thinks he should be first, but other than that, there is no other parties being shown.
I had heard rumours of a “National” party, but there is almost nothing in the press about them and what is in there is all negative, so I assume that they have been the token opposition for the last nine years.
There of course is a possibility that the media is completely distorting reality to manipulate the outcome of the next election.
When we look at who owns much of the media (Australia) and that they are big on controversy and “one liners” we can understand more about why they want a Labour government.
A Labour government will provide plenty of outrageous material to keep the press happy, they will encourage “refugees”, including some that are here to commit acts of terror and nothing else, and then they have more sensational headlines to promote their papers/webpages/clicks etc.

This people is why the media are trying to manipulate the election. We are not competing against ideology here, we are competing against obscene amounts of money – maintaining those streams and controlling power!
Just remember that if you vote based on what extremely biased and warped information comes out of the media, you are voting for increased manipulation and control from non-elected sources. Stand up and show that you will not be manipulated, that you will not be lied to and vote against the media darlings. If you must register a protest vote against National (since we are at war I think that is a crazy idea) and you can’t vote ACT, then vote Maori party, or vote for a party that the press are railing against – Except Green of course.
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August 21, 2017 8:44am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I was wondering if anyone can tell me whether there is an electoral party that is challenging the incumbent Labour party for the role of governing the country.
  
  No, there isn’t. If you don’t want a centre-left party run by a career politician with no principles and little life experience other than leeching off the taxpayer, the three highest polling parties are ruled out. The others are very small and ineffective.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:34am
RF

Wee Comrade Hughes and his green rabble are off to Te Anau to protest oil exploration.

Hope they have left already as it’s a long bike ride to get there. Then again they might just drive down in a convoy of gas guzzling vehicles.

Hypocrites.
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August 21, 2017 8:54am
- GazzaW
  
  Gareth will no doubt be sitting in the Koru Lounge waiting for his flight to Queenstown or Invercargill before renting a top of the range car to get him to Te Anau. Mind you he could have left already and combined a nice little Central Otago weekend break. All on the taxpayer dime of course.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:47am
gorse

I’d almost vote for TOP, Gareth describing Jacinda as “lipstick on a pig”. I won’t though.
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August 21, 2017 8:56am
- realityczech
  
  It shows how ignorant the far left are. The term has nothing to do with gender, Jacinda, pigs, or any individual. So feel free to join in the medias fake manufactured outrage. We all enjoy watching the far left turn on its self 🙂
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:01am
  - itstricky
    
    It shows how ignorant the far left are.
    
    Sure, but you’ve just upticked, and replied to a someone, who said they’d consider changing their vote simply on the strength of a one-liner.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:20am
    - realityczech
      
      Glad you agree with me itstricky.
      
      Remember, two ticks blue.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:24am
      - itstricky
        
        Woosh! Sqweel! Woosh!
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:28am
      - starboard
        
        Awww Istricky reminiscing about his Deliverance days from years gone by..how nice.
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:59am
      - itstricky
        
        Your jokes are getting a bit sophisticated and include literature now, starboard. Well done. Careful you don’t hurt yourself, mind.
        
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        August 21, 2017 10:02am
      - Gabby
        
        Tulixpu
        
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        August 21, 2017 1:31pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Too not from though ;).
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:25am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Oh the irony, though, realityczech.
    
    ‘Lipstick on a pig’ derives from a time when only women wore makeup – so it was difficult to refer to a male trait of altering their appearance to make them more attractive, although ‘hog in armour’ referred to both in regard to clothing.
    
    Now, though, there are plenty of men wearing lipstick at different times – and all other makeup.
    
    Is the accusation of ‘sexism’ and ‘old’ now, itself, ‘sexist and old’?
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:25am
    - realityczech
      
      Yes but it is different when a man hating neurotic communist says it.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:27am
    - holysheet
      
      Wash your mouth out. REAL men don’t wear lipstick. Show some respect in this week of mourning the country is going through with the loss of that REAL man Sir Colin.
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:59am
  - Gabby
    
    Yes yes really czit, you can wear lipstick and still be a weal man, whatever.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:23am
  - MCos
    
    Morgan tweeted
    “Jacinda should be required to show she’s more than lipstick on a pig.”
    At best that can be seen as ambiguous. Later he tried to explain it away, but I’m sorry mate the damage has been done. Every politician knows that first impressions count; that’s why they don’t give a shit about fact checkers.
    If Little was still Labour leader there would have been no ambiguity.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:34am
- Longknives
  
  The Media are sure up in arms about this ‘Lipstick on a Pig’ thing.
  Any criticism whatsoever of their ‘People’s Princess’ will clearly NOT be tolerated and will be treated as Sexism and Misogyny! (Even though it is perfectly clear that Gareth is talking about the Labour Party as a whole)
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:13am
RF

After hearing the sermon from the mount I have come away with two important facts… (1) All farmers are evil as they steal our water and (2) jam tomorrow.

It reminded me of an American happy clappy religious revival where the congregation has suddenly found god. Unfortunately god turns out to be a con man who makes false promises and runs off with your money and your wife.
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August 21, 2017 9:37am
krazykiwi

More on Google’s intrusive social engineering:

Run the query “black couples” in google images and you get the result you’d naturally expect. Loving black couples, smiling cuddling and not a white face in sight. After all, it’s a simple query.

Now run “white couples” and see if you can spot something amiss. You’ve got it Sherlock, nearly a third of the pictures are of mixed race couples with even one picture of a black couple holding a white infant. I don’t give a damn what mixture of colour a loving couple are, but I do care a lot about having someone else’s social agenda bending over backwards to shoehorn itself into what is a straight forward query.

Indeed.
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August 21, 2017 9:46am
- JasonJohns
  
  The alt-right is making a stand against miscegenation in the US. The slogan of the fine people who held the tiki torch parade in Charlottesville was ‘The Jews Will Not Replace Us!’ This is a reference to their belief that the globalist elite is promoting diversity, and therefore weakening the white race.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:39am
- howitis
  
  I changed search to DuckDuckGo on Saturday. There was a wee adjustment period but the searches are far more useful than they have been for at least 3 years on Google.
  
  Google used to push ‘ Don’t be evil’ until 2015 when the ‘Alphabet’ changes and many other changes occurred. They are well off the quality they were in, say, 2010.
  They could not use ‘don’t be evil’ with a straight face today. It is a good thing they dropped it.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:52am
- chiz
  
  If you google for “couples” you get a different result. There is no social engineering going on. Its just that many white couples don’t see any need to specify their ethnicity when posting their photos, many non-white couples do. Google is merely reflecting what people themselves are posting.
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:56pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Google is merely reflecting what people themselves are posting
    
    I presume you know this because you have their ranking algorithms. The ones they make public for scrutiny – yes?
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:34pm
VicParking

Not a con man. An fallen fornicating woman with lipstick stolen from a pig….. bit hard but I havent had a coffee yet.
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August 21, 2017 9:47am
Tauhei Notts

That Jacinda campaign launch yesterday; I think that may have been one of the most impressive campaign launches by Labour in my lifetime.
I have been concerned for sometime that the newspapers only reflect the wishes of a 38 year old divorced mother of two, or three. As such that demographic are blindly laudatory towards Jacinda. Is Jacinda becoming the new Princess Diana?
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August 21, 2017 9:53am
- holysheet
  
  And look what happened to the people’s princess.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:00am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  That is a real insult to Princess Diana.
  
  Diana stood up against the most powerful people in her country, arguably the world. She was a strong character who carried out her duty despite a relationship in which she was ‘cuckolded’ from the start and in which she was completely powerless. Nevertheless, she went on to walk through minefields for the sake of others – literally and figuratively.
  
  Ardern is an ‘in it for a good time; not a long time’ Labour Party image with lots of teeth, missing only the twinkling gleam every time she is shown in the media. She’s the ‘Milky Bar Kid’ to women who want to run the world with all rights and no responsibilities. Her ‘partner’ has been reduced to a sperm donor expected to perform at the behest of her, the MSM, and her Party.
  
  It’s Adern’s goal to prove that the ‘modern’ woman has been freed to act like a peasant, work in the ‘rice paddy’ – step to the road to give birth – pick up the child and move back into the ‘rice paddy’ to continue her work while breastfeeding.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:12am
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    Boy, that’s sounding awfully tribal and opinionative, Anne.
    
    Are you sure it’s still you writing these posts?
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:30am
  - VicParking
    
    She had one thing in common with the tooth fairy.
    They are both as thick as pig shit.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:30am
    - itstricky
      
      She had one thing in common with the tooth fairy.
      They are both as thick as pig shit.
      
      Double Keeping Stock!! Wherefore art thou?
      
      (Second sentence added for starboard; sure he’ll appreciate it)
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:31am
      - mikenmild
        
        Keeping Stock is on holiday, and consequently unable to criticise unseemly language on Kiwiblog in his usual even-handed manner.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:20am
    - MCos
      
      “They are both as thick as pig shit”
      Translation
      You don’t like them
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:57am
  - KevOB
    
    And because Ardern didn’t stay close to the rice paddy she forgot about the banded krait one of which killed her when she returned on a ceremonial visit.
    
    The American disease causes loss of perception and judgement.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:04am
    - Gabby
      
      Merkin dizzies! Merkin dizzies!
      
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      August 21, 2017 1:35pm
  - sam green
    
    It could also be Kea – hmmmmm…..
    
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    August 21, 2017 7:36pm
    - mikenmild
      
      No, Anne is an independent nutter. She doesn’t have Kea’s wits…
      
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      August 21, 2017 7:43pm
    - sam green
      
      Anne Glen Eden is Kea – aha!
      
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      August 21, 2017 7:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    Diana ( aka The Whore of Windsor ) was a gold digging manipulative narcissistic whore. Even the fame and privilege of royalty was not enough for her, as she played the victim to avoid her few responsibilities.
    
    She died doing what she was known for, drugs , sleeping around and partying.
    
    If there is a hell rest assured the putrid whore is suffering there now.
    
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    August 21, 2017 7:42pm
lifesgood

It is obvious now that Labour are running scared. They have got their roster of trolls working overtime on KB. Good for a laugh, but that’s all.
Yesterday I heard Helen Clarke interviewed by Wallace Chapman on red radio. What a breathtakingly arrogant, conceited woman she is. Apparently the only reason she didn’t get the top UN job was because she was a woman, yeah, nothing to do with not being good enough.
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August 21, 2017 10:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  You don’t get to the top of the UN by being good.
  
  You get there by being the dodgy, scheming & duplicitous.
  
  That she wasn’t the best by those measures will be source of unending trauma for her.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:10am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Or bullying her staff and making herself universally disliked within the bureaucracy and the diplomats.
  
  Nothing to do with being a thinly veiled communist who took stances against all the UN security council members at one time or another in her career (damn those returning roosting chickens).
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:28am
  - PhilBest
    
    Even the lefty, globalist-agenda MSM over there quickly formed a dislike for her.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:39am
  - realityczech
    
    Clark is not respected at all internationally. She is known as controlling and very dishonest.
    
    She is hated by all decent right minded people.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:43am
- Gabby
  
  Did Wallace manage to splutter out a complete sentence before orgasming? Did he make little gaspy moany noises throughout? He’s very … effusive.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:29am
- howitis
  
  Klarkenfuhrer was from the wrong region for selection but hey ‘Facts’ and ‘statements from Labour’ don’t tend to intersect on your typical Venn Diagram.
  
  It would be nice if the K.fuhrer had flown her broomstick around the UN trough for a longer time than flying it around our land before an election.
  
  New Brooms sweep clean.
  Old brooms have an accumulation of dust, gunk and bacteria we can do without.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:37am
- JasonJohns
  
  Jacinda Ardern and her partner (unmarried) more or less admitted to living in sin and fornication in their interview with the Herald last Saturday. This is a huge weakness which National must not be slow to exploit. National must ask Kiwis
  
  Who would you rather vote for, a married Christian procreator with six children or a childless atheistic fornicator?
  
  That sort of hardhitting approach plays to National’s traditional role as conservative party.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:42am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    That really is third rate trolling – even for a lightweight like you.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:29am
  - realityczech
    
    JJ so he should alienate himself from 98% of NZ and display himself as a religious nut job ?
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:46am
    - mikenmild
      
      I like it when Kea pretends his sock puppets are real commenters and makes them have a conversation…
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:50am
      - realityczech
        
        milky get back to your job trading – objectionable images – on the internet.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:52am
      - itstricky
        
        ‘milky’ with a lower case ‘M’ is exactly what Kea used to call you.
        
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        August 21, 2017 1:17pm
      - Gabby
        
        He should ‘disagree’ them occasionally for added authenticity.
        
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        August 21, 2017 1:37pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Newsflash JasonJohns: Its 2017
    
    Marriage these days is for fuddy-duddies, religious zealots and homosexuals.
    
    These days it is quite acceptable to have a different partner every Saturday night, and to produce children to any and all.
    
    There would be very few in New Zealand remotely interested in the technical details of Ardern’s seemingly stable relationship with one consenting adult – even those nasty National supporters. //
    
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    August 21, 2017 12:21pm
  - wiseowl
    
    But they are not a conservative party.They are Labour and socialist and the chickens are coming home to roost.
    It’s either Labour or Labour.
    
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    August 21, 2017 5:23pm
Longknives

Poor old Jerry Lewis gets slammed by The Left in an Obituary on the day he dies-

http://variety.com/2017/film/people-news/jerry-lewis-dies-dead-nutty-professor-1202533899/

“Lewis’ brand of humor did not always wear well as times and attitudes changed. Over the last 10 years of his life, his reputation soured slightly as he was forced to apologize for making a gay slur… continued to make racist and misogynistic jokes, and didn’t hesitate to share his right-wing political views.”

Wow- Touching stuff from Variety Magazine..Do they single out Comedians with ‘Left Wing’ Political views?
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August 21, 2017 10:09am
- Inandout
  
  God help if there is a statue of Jerry somewhere.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:21am
SteveRemmington

Has anybody ever seen Helen Clark and Clarke Gayford together in the same room?
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August 21, 2017 10:10am
- Inandout
  
  No I haven’t, but after watching this interview I wouldn’t be surprised if Clarke and Clark get on famously. I would even add Peter Davis into the mix.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11905987
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:26am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Kent, Clark Kent, anyone seen Clark?
  
  Where is their phone-box in this digital age?
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:12pm
howitis

Grant Robertson is a creepy liar especially with lying by omission.

We know he invalidly denied that Alf was in the pub in a TV interview a few years ago. So we know he can’t even admit the truth when there is no need to tell a lie. This suggests a compulsion to lie.

We know his father was jailed for theft ( as an accountant) in 1991. The amount was $120,000. That would have been at least 2 houses in Dunedin in that era. That is a lot of money. Yet on Robertson’s profile on the Labour Party website he says ‘ The Presbyterian values his parents taught their three sons fostered Grant’s belief in social justice.’
That is straight bullshit. His father stole a large sum of money consistently over a decade while in a position of trust to his employers. That is probably worse than Me Tu. At least that crim went to jail for it.
Possibly it is OK to a Labour party given they were the ‘Rich Prick’ lawyers that employed his father and also paid the salary that fed and clothed Grant Robertson. Just help yourself to a bit more. That is the lefty way.

Fact. Grant Robertson has half the genes of a convicted thieving criminal and jailbird.
He has a similar amount of real world experience as Ardern.
From the Labour profile.. …’Grant’s first job was at the local supermarket and when the Employment Contracts Act came in, he rallied against the rights he and his fellow workers lost’.
So this was his ‘Fish and Chip’ moment. Eureka! Real world experience….as an agitator against his employer.
A real skill gained… for now he agitates against …any Labour Leader.

Robertson’s experience in Finance is ..wait, let me see… his father was an accountant but convicted for the crime of theft and jailed as well he should be. Oh but Grant does have experience giving away other people’s money on Aid programs. He’s a finance genius by Labour standards.

Now we are getting mealy mouthed crap from Robertson. Funny he does not put on his Labour profile…’the biggest hatchet man of Labour leaders in 90+ years’ . That would be more correct and an actual achievement.

Robertson is not giving us policy up front.
For that he can expect a solid attack on his integrity.
I have heard of Tax avoidance. Labour are guilty of Fact avoidance.

He needs to come up with actual numbers before the election.
It is clear Labour want to bring in Capital Gains Tax among many other taxes.
Apparently all past policy was rescinded (per A. Little guy) so what is it now?

Capital gains can apply to houses, paintings, collectors cars, and shares.
Most Kiwisaver funds hold shares.
Most Kiwisaver funds have experienced capital gains in the last 5 years (unless you were unfortunate enough to have been in a poorly performing Gareth Morgan fund! ) so will these gains be taxed?
When will Grant Robertson come out and clarify Capital Gains Tax?

Do voters need to be aware Grant Robertson (with no notable actual financial training or experience) and Labour will tax gains on your Kiwisaver?
Robertson is a sneaky prick (lefty equivalent of a Rich Prick) and has not eliminated this or anything.

Warn your friends that a vote for Labour could be a tax on your Kiwisaver.

This may be tax on realised or unrealised gains. Look up unrealised capital gains and see how the Scandinavian countries eventually unwound these punitive taxes, the last of which was in 2007.

We just don’t really know. The sneaky pricks of Labour won’t tell us anything.
One of Grant Robertson’s (few) achievements in life is omission of facts.
In the absence of facts we have to assume the worst and Labour loves TAX more than it loves YOU.
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August 21, 2017 10:20am
- Jack5
  
  I’m no longer a Believer, but the mores and values of Christianity permeate Western beliefs. One of these (from Ezekiel) says, and I wholly agree with it:
  
  The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:27am
- Kimbo
  
  Fact. Grant Robertson has half the genes of a convicted thieving criminal and jailbird.
  
  Um, then by that stupid measure John Banks is doubly “guilty” of having 100% of his genes from criminals. Fuck I hate elections when all the tribalist loonies are at their worst.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:29am
- lifesgood
  
  Not forgetting the two letter boxes, one for Alf and one for him but the same house. I don’t believe a person can be blamed for the sins of the father but what I do despise is him claiming his parents taught him good values, yeah, well maybe if stealing from other people is a good value. He should keep his lying mouth shut.
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:58am
  - howitis
    
    Denis O’Rourke of NZF had the saga of the two letterboxes about 3 years ago.
    I am not aware of Alfie and Grunt having such an arrangement.
    Not that domestic arrangements concern me.
    Being honest in public office does.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:12am
    - lifesgood
      
      The point is he lied about Alf living with him. Nobody cares about his domestic arrangements…just the lying.
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:53am
Shaun the Sheep

I was wondering when the IRD are going to climb all over certain artists who appear to have understated their income by thousands.
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August 21, 2017 10:20am
- Gabby
  
  Are you stating that they were paid?
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:34am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Who me?
    It appears that someone else is.
    They can’t donate what they haven’t earned.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:42am
    - Gabby
      
      Oh it ‘appears’. To you, right?
      What gives that ‘appearance’?
      
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      August 21, 2017 1:40pm
  - VicParking
    
    I wonder if certain liebour party dontators are going to claim tax exceptions for the paintings their “business” brought.
    For the reception area….
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:44am
    - KevOB
      
      Donations to political parties are not charitable so not claimable.
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:13am
    - ztev
      
      Assets dont get tax exceptions- what ever that is
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:14am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NZ election boilover builds as housing and immigration turn tables – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/nz-election-boilover-builds-housing-immigration-turn-tables/

… Pavletich comment on thread …

NEW ZEALANDS BILL ENGLISH LED GOVERNMENT WILL GET THRASHED ELECTION DAY … 23 SEPTEMBER …

Jacinda Ardern is the effective messenger and credible leader Labour needs to win. Generally the major issues (such as housing) have been in place for a very long time … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org

Barry Soper: Jacinda Ardern eating Greens’ lunch – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11907816

Labour has a lot to thank Metiria Turei for, going by the adulation the party faithful fawned on Jacinda Ardern at her campaign launch in Auckland.

If Turei didn’t make the biggest miscalculation of her political life last month, Labour would have been turning out yesterday to hear Andrew Little kick off their campaign. … read more via gyperlink above …

WATCH …

Watch: ‘New Zealand is such an optimistic nation’ – Jacinda Ardern says election about getting ‘basics’ right … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-new-zealand-such-optimistic-nation-jacinda-ardern-says-election-getting-basics-right

‘Someone to love
Somewhere to live
Something to do
Something to hope for’
Jacinda Ardern … NZ Labour Leader

National discovers a new feeling – panic … Tracy Watkins OPINION … Fairfax / Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95888082/National-discovers-a-new-feeling-panic?cid=app-iPad
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August 21, 2017 10:41am
- VicParking
  
  One day I will be the first to down tick Hugh. ?
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:46am
  - stigie
    
    Please take your hand off it Hugh !~
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:51am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      At least the dump is in one little area so far . . . .
      
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      August 21, 2017 1:21pm
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    Less porking more barking Vic.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:41pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … further posting …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/nz-election-boilover-builds-housing-immigration-turn-tables/#comment-2939923
  
  THE DAY THE MUSIC STOPPED FOR NEW ZEALAND’S NATIONAL – LED GOVERNMENT … 28 May 2016 Newshub Reid Research Issues Poll …
  
  Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
  
  Read more within the GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
  It was clear to me from that time, that Captain ‘Costa Concordia’ Key would bail … so he didn’t have to face the music in the lead up to the 2017 election …
  
  Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
  
  http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:04am
  - Happychappy
    
    The bitter twisted big noter will look pretty sick if his pet hate is returned to power on 23rd September 2017.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:13am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Remember the wonderful Stonewall Jackson song WATERLOO you all enjoyed discussing with me mid last year on Kiwiblog ? …
      
      WATERLOO ~ Stonewall Jackson (1959) – YouTube
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QQI6lb_Hg
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:21am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Where is the credible and independent research / analysis ? …
        
        Labour pledges to build a ‘golden triangle’ rapid rail network | The National Business Review
        
        https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/labour-pledges-build-golden-triangle-rapid-rail-network-jw-206693
        
        Labour has promised to create a “golden triangle” rapid rail network to cater for the growing population in the Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga region.
        
        To support the first stage of its plan, Labour is committing $10 million of capital funding, with an additional $10 million of operational funding to be allocated over five years.
        
        A second and third stage of the plan could be on the cards too if it is justified by demand. If so, Labour leader Jacinda Ardern says the party would deliver passenger and freight services travelling up to 160km/h throughout the regions and south to Rotorua. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 21, 2017 12:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        In the last post on chuff chuffs Im actually having a go at Labour chaps.
        
        Are you guys here at Kiwiblog aware that National and Labour are two separate political organisations ?
        
        Do we need ‘Democracy for Dummies’ classes here at Kiwiblog too ?
        
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        August 21, 2017 5:19pm
MrTips

Here’s something to make the potheads explode with rage: https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/marijuana-associated-with-three-fold-risk-of-death-from-hypertension

Dak raises the risk of hypertension three fold and has consequences possibly worse than cigarettes.

But its harmless you know………
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August 21, 2017 10:50am
Happychappy

National announce 600,000 low income adults will get $18.00 doctors visits if they remain the Government come September 23rd.
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August 21, 2017 11:08am
- KevOB
  
  Citation please.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:17am
  - Doubledimp
    
    So the attempted media hits continue about the SAS. Seriously, Willie is right up there with Ritchie in terms of un-touchable-ness from scandal. This will not end positively for those agitating for more coverage.
    
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    August 21, 2017 11:23am
- KevOB
  
  Found it in the ODT.
  An extension of the Community Services Card. It will affect my family and reduce our doctor bills. My present cost is $45/visit for superb care.
  However with my qualifying Nat Super I get a weekly payment for continuing medical care so that is essentially free. Now sundry visits which were not subsidised will cost only $18.
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:37am
  - ztev
    
    You should change your doctor, I already pay $18
    
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    August 21, 2017 12:29pm
    - KevOB
      
      No, our doctor was selected as being in a stable family practice where one was always available and not too restricted on time. Others were cheaper but didn’t offer the same opportunities for attention or seeing the same doctor. They cut their costs, fees and client service. We have had very good clinical attention and care on demand.
      
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      August 21, 2017 3:29pm
  - Gabby
    
    You’re happy about the tax increase this will necessitate?
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:44pm
- mikenmild
  
  Ouch. The Taxpayers’ ‘Union’ might have to rename its Bride-o-Meter to Investment-o-Meter.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:40am
  - Gabby
    
    Or its Living-in-Sin-o-Meter.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:46pm
Happychappy

http//:i.stuff.co.nz
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August 21, 2017 11:23am
DifferentPerspective

Another Hagar book is being researched

It looks like WOBH is offline right now – Hagar doing his NZer of the year research thing right now?
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August 21, 2017 11:26am
- Kimbo
  
  Hmm. Given that Whale Oil has long since ceased to be the political force it was in 2014, that would be a bit like trying to sabotage the publication of Pravda after the Berlin Wall fell. Still, Cameron Slater seems to have convinced the ~~Israeli~~ Likud government that he is still a mover and a shaker in the New Zealand media and political scene so good luck to him, and his fully-paid opportunities to travel to “the Holy Land”. 😉
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:45am
  - realityczech
    
    Shit Kimbo a bit of honesty from you without paragraphs of pompous drivel !
    
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    August 21, 2017 12:06pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Sorry, I’ll try not to let my usual standards slip next time.
      
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      August 21, 2017 12:13pm
  - ztev
    
    Well pimping for likud as to to be better than a wronged womans sob story from the North Shore- who got bankrupted and disbarred from the legal profession for their troubles.
    His blog is knee deep in lies
    
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    August 21, 2017 12:33pm
- PhilBest
  
  Yes, I have been able to open the WOBH home page this morn several times but all sorts of odd stuff is wrong each time, and its not possible to click through to any individual article. Now it is loading with “Today’s” articles as the ones from a couple of days ago.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:58am
rightoverlabour

Fuckers

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/20/report-barcelona-jihadists-intended-blow-christian-basilica-sagrada-familia/
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August 21, 2017 11:52am
Manolo

Hunting an animal:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/20/spain-attacks-king-joins-public-at-mass-for-victims-in-barcelona

Younes Abouyaaqoub, a 22-year-old Moroccan national, is thought to have been the driver of the van that ploughed through crowds of tourists in Las Ramblas on Thursday, killing 13 people and leaving dozens more seriously injured.

Catalan police have erected 800 vehicle check points and tripled the number of officers working on anti-terror operations after the attack, but the fugitive continues to evade them.
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August 21, 2017 12:01pm
- Longknives
  
  He will be heading towards Canada where Terrorist-Hugging Trudeau will likely compensate him millions for ‘hurt feelings’…
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:01pm
- kowtow
  
  This is what happens when you let them in . They hate the west , so why host them at such great cost?
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:46pm
realityczech

Griff – “We are heading to a carbon free future”

Reality – “These Chinese corporations are building or planning to build more than 700 new coal plants at home and around the world, some in countries that today burn little or no coal”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html?mcubz=3
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August 21, 2017 12:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Has anyone told the Peoples’ Princess about this climate change outrage?
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:23pm
chiz

Forty years ago today Voyager 2 was launched to explore the outer solar system. The BBC World Service has made a 50 minute documentary on it.
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August 21, 2017 12:29pm
- realityczech
  
  And still going strong.
  
  Those baby boomers were the last wave of great inventors and explorers. There has been nothing since of any importance.
  
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  August 21, 2017 12:35pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Peter Dunne is done, quitting politics. Another coalition partner down the tubes for National. What are the odds of a National NZF coalition now??
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August 21, 2017 12:42pm
- Doubledimp
  
  More and more likely. Tho maybe Brett Hudson can take some of that vote. I am in the electorate and I was torn between trying to prop up National or rinsing Dunne for his debacle over the RMA. Seems the decision has been taken away from me.
  
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  August 21, 2017 12:55pm
  - GazzaW
    
    The election is getting more and more like FPP every day.
    
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    August 21, 2017 12:58pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Too late for Brett Hudson. He’s been telling constituents to vote Dunne + party vote Nat.
    
    O’Connor is leading, and those constituents now know they’ll see a change of MP, for many of then the first in their lives!
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:09pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Too late for Brett Hudson. He’s been telling constituents to vote Dunne + party vote Nat.”
      
      Not sure about that. National wins the party vote in Ohariu and how many of those have been holding their noses and voting for Dunne. Most voters there have the smarts to know that Dunne’s no longer in the race so Hudson might get closer than a lot of people think.
      
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      August 21, 2017 4:03pm
  - labrator
    
    Would you have voted for an ACT candidate?
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:34pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Good riddance to bad rubbish.
  
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  August 21, 2017 12:58pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Dunne will need at least two wheelbarrows to cart away his platinum-plated Super funded by you and me. Would he be the last MP to qualify for the annual free return business class fares to London for him and the missus? The absolute epitome of a political trougher to the very last.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:02pm
    - KevOB
      
      Those perks came out of the days when MP’s were not paid as they are now. Today a commission sets the scale. Earlier pay rates for MP’s had a much lower level of basic remuneration compared to now.
      
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      August 21, 2017 3:37pm
  - Manolo
    
    Let us rejoice.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:16pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Don’t kick him on the way out the door. Just thank him for his efforts and send him on his way.
      
      It is a sad fact of politics that most political careers end in tears – John Key being the rare exception that proves the rule.
      
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      August 21, 2017 3:25pm
      - KevOB
        
        Peter Dunne is well known to me. He has been a very active electorate MP. Also he had many years a Minister of Revenue, a desk job, dealing with IRD submissions requiring Ministerial approval.
        
        A thinking person and sensible. True to form he has discerned the outcome and wished to avoid an unpleasant end.
        
        I thank him for his service and wish him well in his retirement.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:42pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        You are kidding KevOB. You are talking about the Benedict Arnold of National’s government. We’re stuck with an even worse version of the RMA thanks to Dunne. His dopey ideas on drug reform are costing lives (but hey at least a few beagles are saved). He’s a hard out advocate for bringing in Syrian refugees and an utterly ineffectual electorate MP. Only Peter Dunne could make Greg O’Connor look like a viable option.
        
        The man is a disgrace and as bad an example of the flaws of MMP as you can find.
        
        He should have had enough integrity to go after his disgraceful performance with the ex News of the World hack – but no, the ultimate trougher stuck his nose in deeper and hung on for another half a decade of twattery.
        
        Being a minister when you account for 0.22% of the electorates support is an utter travesty.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:58pm
- ztev
  
  Nationals election campaign is more like the Manawatu Gorge Rd.
  Just when it settles down something else slips into the river.
  The momentum could see labour out poll national, as no one sees them back in government.
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:10pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I thought that analogy was really good Z; I couldn’t bring myself to uptick it but I didn’t downtick it either like I usually would!
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:27pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Labour’s campaign has only just started and so far we’ve only seen Queen Jacinderella’s teeth. When the blowtorch goes on the serious stuff you might find that the Kaikoura earthquake is a good analogy.
    
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    August 21, 2017 4:09pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      I’ve got to admit those are really nice teeth. But the policies that Labour have been announcing recently have been shambolic, mean-spirited, incoherent and just plain stupid. Good teeth will certainly help but they might not be sufficient to defend those policies against the attack of a well informed and capable Bill English.
      
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      August 21, 2017 5:23pm
Anne Glen Eden

I’m curious about Vote Compass – and I read the comment earlier from duggledog (which I upticked) “featuring a bright red ‘Vote’ logo complete with bright red tick, next to the big red first page”.

What I’m curious about is that they say it’s been approved by the Electoral Commission and is based on ‘party policies’.

But the parties haven’t released their policies yet – and by all accounts will be making changes based on the PREFU. Labour’s policies are mostly about ‘discussing’ things with people after being elected and contain no detail.

Then you have the issue of party policies stating one thing but meaning something entirely different or being implemented in ways you never thought of or would have wanted.

It comes as no surprise to me, therefore, that after going through it each year, it comes up telling me to vote Labour – even though I know that is the antithesis of what I want to be achieved.

The disclaimer is that it’s all based on ‘policy’ – and you go full circle.

I can’t say that it’s a terrible idea because it does alert people to questions and topics. But obviously, it isn’t based on policy – it’s based on someone’s interpretation of policy, or not.
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August 21, 2017 12:43pm
dime

“Billionaire Paul Allen Finds Lost World War II Cruiser USS Indianapolis in the Philippine Sea”

https://youtu.be/u9S41Kplsbs

“Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We’d just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes.

Didn’t see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that shark he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away.

Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those sharks come in and… they rip you to pieces.

You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist.

At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945.

Anyway, we delivered the bomb.”
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August 21, 2017 1:07pm
- Longknives
  
  A bloody sad story the USS Indianapolis- Captain was Court Marshalled and ended up killing himself holding a little Toy Sailor doll..
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_B._McVay_III
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:29pm
  - dime
    
    i didnt know that. poor bastard.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:33pm
    - labrator
      
      Was exonerated after his death too sadly.
      
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      August 21, 2017 2:36pm
- Andrei
  
  Now a days the US Navy just swan about the oceans of the world crashing into other ships – which is pretty amazing given all the radars they have
  
  The latest USS John S. McCain
  
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  August 21, 2017 2:26pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Nice problem to have – too many ships. Not one the Russian navy experiences.
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:46pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    A ship named after that idiot is always going to carry bad karma, would’ve been better to call it anything – even the Forrestal.
    
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    August 21, 2017 4:00pm
Manolo

Mr Brett Hudson must be rubbing his hands in glee, mustn’t he? 😀
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August 21, 2017 1:19pm
- Happychappy
  
  Has he got enough time to convince the people to change their vote Manila, that’s the big question.
  
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  August 21, 2017 2:41pm
  - mikenmild
    
    To change his message from “don’t vote for me” to “vote for me!”?
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:49pm
Surely Knott

Bullshit reporting from the Western Leader. In May they ran profiles on the Greens and Labour candidates. Soft personal pieces with video. They reran them this week. The headline for the Labour one was Candidate wants to “win” New Lynn. Nice to get your candidate name with the word win and the electorate in the headline. So I complained there had been no similar piece on National Candidates in either New Lynn or Kelston. So today they ran one on Paulo Garcia New Lynn entitled “abortion goes against my conscience says new lynn candidate.” Nice. That’s what you want your candidates name next to. Abortion. So no soft pics of his family or background the article is all about abortion. Such biased reporting from the reporter. Who has also written a great article on a young person joining the Unite union.
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August 21, 2017 1:23pm
- Kimbo
  
  Three things:
  
  1. Local free rags like the Western Leader rely on voluntary written articles in many cases. If you think there is a lack of balance, you can address it by writing and submitting one yourself. Or if Garcia was concerned and/or politically skilled and organised, he should have arranged for someone to do it for him already. That he likely hasn’t and allows a Unite unionist to fill that void tells you something.
  
  2. Nothing written about Garcia is untrue. If he wants to link his candidacy and campaign to anti-abortion, then we all deserve to know. As it is an issue that is unlikely to change in terms of law, as it hasn’t since 1977, then for voters who are not concerned about the issue, it is confirmation that in political terms Garcia is either very stupid, or he knows something about the Kelston New Lynn area those of us who have lived there for years have not discerned. Put it this way: it ain’t a Bible Belt!
  
  3. Short of some horrendous gaffe of Turei-welfare-fraud proportions, the Labour candidate always wins in New Lynn and/or Kelston. As Deborah Russell is, from a non-partisan perspective, a better qualified candidate than Garcia with more expertise suitable for government including the possibility of becoming a high-ranking Minister one day, that will not change in 2017.
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:49pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Western Leader is an ongoing problem. The article is written by a paid staffer journalist. It is the main newspaper covering the whole of west auckland which is bigger than most provincial towns. We absolutely have the right to request fair coverage and this is not it. They’re welcome to talk about his opinion on abortion, but the equivalent pieces for both the left candidates were soft personal profiles. The New Lynn candidate does not always win New Lynn and their are three new candidates so it’s anyones game. New Lynn voted National for their party vote last year didn’t they?. The left are scared. And the dirty politics that goes on out west wiht Labour /Greens is getting beyond ridiculous. Numerous MP assistants posing as heads of envirionmental and ratepayers groups and school trustees that then make press releases covered by the western leader without disclosing their real jobs. Time for Journos to do their job fairly and with some respect for their own industry and the role they play in democracy.
    
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    August 21, 2017 1:58pm
    - Kimbo
      
      In all but four electorates in 2014 National got more party votes than Labour. Doesn’t stop an electorate like New Lynn, like others, being a safe Labour seat for the Labour candidate – irrespective of what appears in the Western Leader!
      
      And are you sure you aren’t a left winger: complaining about dirty politics and demanding others fix an alleged problem you can fix yourself with your own initiative and effort. Don’t like the lack of balance? Write a profile of Garcia yourself! The Western Leader accepts contributions all the time…
      
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      August 21, 2017 2:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Also I didn’t raise the issue of Garcia’s attitude to abortion and likely the Western Leader didn’t. Instead, likely in accordance with his conservative Filipino Catholic views, Garcia did. And good luck to him, and to anyone else no matter what their views on abortion or anything for getting involved in politics due to their values.
      
      But Garcia should have had his own personality profile prepared and ready to go. Is politics 101, and the first thing you learn is journalists are lazy bastards who like to do as little work as possible, so always have a personality profile press release ready!
      
      Plus Garcia should know that he has no realistic chance in New Lynn and if he is smart he is playing a long game hoping for a better seat to stand in come 2020. But if he thinks he has a reasonable chance of becoming the New Lynn MP in 2017 he is far too naive and of poor judgement to be an MP.
      
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      August 21, 2017 2:34pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        National won the New Lynn party vote. So there are enough National voters in New Lynn to swing this. It’s a marginal seat with two new candidates. And the Philipino population has had a massive influx. Labour don’t have Cunnies anymore, They have Russell from the Naki who’s never lived in Auckland. Is she really going to appeal to the Titirangi affluent urban hippies. They’ll probably vote Leilani and split the vote. It’s game on in New Lynn.
        
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        August 21, 2017 2:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        My, my, you are well informed about the electorate and campaign and what appeared when! 😉 In line with your claims about the need for full disclosure in the face of dirty politics care to divulge your connections to Garcia’s campaign? 😉
        
        Oh, btw, this New Lynn voter is giving his party vote to National, and his electoral vote to…Russell.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:03pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Nope I’m in the Helensville Electorate. Used to vote labour solidly. But have seen a lot of dirty politics and identity politics from them at local level and don’t like their transparency around money. Sat in a room with a person pretending to be head of an R&R for a year before I found out she was a political operative and then realised how all the press releases were put out by seemingly independent environmentalists were really political staffers.. So now I’m two ticks blue blue. Just would like to see the West get a fair shake. And I have no involvement in any campaign. Haha. And good on you with you’re voting. You’re almost there. One more blue vote and you’ll have it 100% right.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:15pm
      - Kimbo
        
        If I was in Te Atatu – where Alfred Ngaro has an outsider’s chance (interesting to see how any Chinese voters will react to Phil Twyford) I would.
        
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        August 21, 2017 3:32pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        I’m starting to like you Kimbo. You might be alright.
        
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        August 21, 2017 4:24pm
    - KevOB
      
      The Western Leader is another Fairfax newspaper. They are rabidly left wing.
      
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      August 21, 2017 3:49pm
Herodotus

How red is national becoming? yet another announcement of corporate welfare.
We have had increases in Accomodation Supplement WFF and now. If our companies cannot pay people an income that does not require HUGE assistance from the government then how can we have a healthy economy? Should not in a healthy economy govt assistance diminish, if not under current economic conditions, I ask when????

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11908095
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August 21, 2017 1:39pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Because Nationalhave control of the economy but they lost control of the narrative which is being controlled by the media , education, local government and ngos. To win National have to meet the public where they are. And if the public don’t understand or believe the economy is good and we remain healthier with less taxes then to win they have to pay up.
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:44pm
  - howitis
    
    National have allowed Local Govt to range freely and set up the abomination that is Auckland Council with no decent KPIs or no go policy areas.
    The apartheid (maori favourable) policies that are being set up by LG are in alignment with National.
    
    National have not stood candidates at local body election therefore allowed the main cities to become Labour strongholds. They never reined in the two right wing (?) parties that split the vote in Auckland last year.
    Massive massive fail by National on Local Body.
    We see the result. The rates rises and consent charges give Nats a big windfall in extra GST without copping any flak.
    
    National never bothered to flog off TVNZ when they should have in the first term. Or second term when partial selling power companies. Now they have a Solid Energy on their hands -flash new building included.
    They continue to subsidise the 100% overseas owned Mediaworks/TV3 with nearly $20 million a year funding from taxpayers via NZ on Air for trite TV shows.
    Without this I doubt the Mediaworks TV channels would still exist in NZ. Meantime Mediaworks are subsidised by taxpayers to do hit jobs.
    TVNZ get this taxpayer NZ On Air funding as well for I guess Brian Bruce and Nigel latta prattle.
    
    National report card: could do a lot better. A Heck of a lot better.
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:20pm
- krazykiwi
  
  When? Never. We’re well past the point where net beneficiaries of forced wealth redistribution outnumber the producers of that wealth.
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:47pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  You’re right, of course.
  
  But as long as the said ‘youth and women’ are sucked into believing that it’s okay for two parents to be working, neither of them earning enough for a ‘living wage’ for a family, that situation will remain.
  
  And it’s the Left who pushed it – all in the name of women’s ‘liberation’. Women were forced into the labour force – not that many didn’t go willingly. But while they did that for a variety of reasons – some like it, some wanted to raise the standard of living for the family by adding to the primary income – in fact they filled the same role now being played by mass immigration. They dropped wages.
  
  Now it’s acceptable for families to have both parents working, no-one caring for the children, and still not earning enough to provide a basic quality of life for all of them.
  
  You wouldn’t have caught a National government dead imposing health charges and GST on the ‘poor’, although I’m sure they were delighted. It was done by Labour. Just a further incentive for people to ‘get out there and earn’ – especially women.
  
  I’m not sexist about this – have no objection to men being the primary carer and women having careers. That’s not the issue. The issue is that they all become more ‘feudal serfs’ every day. Their motivation to better their circumstances didn’t, and they’re all a lot worse off – unless their purists in feminist ideology.
  
  However, no government can sustain people starving or homeless on a wholesale scale. The ‘trick’ is to keep them deprived enough to keep working but ‘supported’ enough to tolerate it – all the while ‘spinning’ the reality of their situation into something acceptable they can feel ‘proud of’.
  
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  August 21, 2017 2:02pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Kinder, Küche, Kirche…
    
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    August 21, 2017 2:04pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      Mikey’s number one rule of debate. “When I’m too stupid to come up with a serious argument, I’ll just shout “NAZI!!!” and hope that works. I have to shout “NAZI!!!” a lot, because I’m…I’m….damn, can someone help me tie up my shoelaces again?” 🙂
      
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      August 21, 2017 4:19pm
krazykiwi

Russell ‘GimmeBackMyFlag’ Norman has…. found his flag!
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August 21, 2017 1:40pm
- dime
  
  lol what a wimp
  
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  August 21, 2017 1:58pm
chiz

Welcome to America, land of the intelligent and educated:

we meet an eclipse chaser traveling to the US from Australia; we speak to a cloistered nun who has been getting calls from concerned Catholics worried about the end of times; we learn what solar eclipses have revealed to us about our universe throughout the ages; plus how a new technology can help blind people experience the coming eclipse as well.
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August 21, 2017 1:46pm
Manolo

Very intelligent people:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/08/19/demonstration-white-supremacy-christopher-columbus/583189001/

Dozens of demonstrators converged under a raised bust of Christopher Columbus in downtown Detroit on Saturday and demanded the monument come down as they protested against white supremacy and a list of perceived affronts to black Detroiters.
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August 21, 2017 2:59pm
trout

It may have been mentioned but news is that Peter Dunne is tossing in the towel in Ohariu and retiring from politics; ( after having an undeserved dream run – all the baubles and bugger all electoral support). So I guess this is a win for Greg O’coonor (Labour) or even a chance for the National MP.
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August 21, 2017 3:27pm
Ross12

Has Helen Clarke put the “kiss of death” on Ardern? She likens her to Macron and Trudeau.
Macron’s approval ratings are dropping like a rock at the moment.
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August 21, 2017 3:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But rocks are OK because Boring Bill’s as solid as one.
  
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  August 21, 2017 4:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    His head is, crusty.
    
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    August 21, 2017 6:03pm
realityczech

To think we have active members defending this cult right here on KB

Paedophile priest gets 26 months in jail

A former Catholic priest jailed for molesting boys in the 1970s and 80s has again been jailed for 26 months

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95976789/paedophile-priest-gets-26-months-in-jail
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August 21, 2017 3:35pm
- nasska
  
  So long as the Catholic priesthood exists no boy’s bottom is safe.
  
  They can’t help themselves.
  
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  August 21, 2017 4:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    It is sickening to think Catholic parents continue to take their little children as offerings to these filthy boy raping sodomites on a weekly basis.
    
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    August 21, 2017 5:27pm
    - Fletch
      
      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – no one likes or endorses this sort of behaviour, but offending by priests is no different than the offending in any other sector of the community, religious or secular. In fact, it seems like offenders are more likely to be female teachers these days, at least in the U.S.
      
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      August 21, 2017 7:18pm
      - mikenmild
        
        ‘Not as bad as’, is a pretty piss-poor standard for clergymen, don’t you think?
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:24pm
      - nasska
        
        Fletch
        
        In the past you have endeavoured to excuse the perversions of RC priests by insisting that they were homosexuals practising pederasty as opposed to paedophilia.
        
        I note that in the latest case one of the kids was 9yo & another between 6 & 9.
        
        What defence are you offering this time?
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:30pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The kids were wearing provocative clothing?
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:37pm
      - stigie
        
        But it’s different when RC priests do it..?
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:51pm
UpandComer

Off topic but important.
I bet everyone here thinks there is a genuine issue with water, after all, how could the bleating mean otherwise? Well I looked at the science: Smith explained it pretty well. Remember, the guy is a PHD engineer. It’s not like he’s an expert who learned about water policy from reading the fine print on chippies wrapping. That description extends to Jacinda but also Grant – the former wrapped, the latter eats.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89769055/the-new-swimmable-fresh-water-target-nick-smith-defends-his-plan

TLDR Nick explains the following.

The cut-off for risk is 540 Ecoli per 100ml of water. At that rating there is a 1/20 chance that someone gets sick – That standard was set by the Greens, and by Labour in accordance with the World Health Organisation. But it’s not 1/20. At a 95% confidence interval it means if 20 groups swim, in one of those groups, 1 person has 1/20 chance of getting sick.

‘Swimmable’ is an upgrade on the Greens ‘Wadeable’. Under the Greens ‘Wadeable’, you had to be at 260 Ecoli per 100ml median. That’s it.

National have introduced 3 ratings. Fair, Good, Excellent. That means you can only go > 540 80-90%, 90-95%, or less then 95%. Or, Fair – over 540, 10-20%, Good – over 10%, Excellent, over 5% of the time, and you have to have a median of 130 to be swimmable.

So the median rate has been increased 100% from the Greens/WHO/Labour and National have added and strengthened confidence ratings.

This is classic Greens. Per Nick Smith they said the Hutt River is unswimmable, and if you swim there at all, 1/20 chance of getting AIDS from EColi, crisis, crisis, crisis.

Nick pointed out that actually the media from years of weekly measurement is definitively 130. So you have something like a 1/1500 chance on a given day of getting sick.
Otherwise the Hutt River is fair. In 3 months, it only went above 540 on a single day when it shot up to over 900. Then it went under ten the following days after the wash-out.

Guess which day the Greens said is representative.

They are lying when the say:
a) National has decreased standards;
b) National hasn’t increased standards;
c) Water is much worse then it was a decade ago;
d) That you can’t ever swim in rivers.
e) That National hasn’t put serious time and effort into the science
f) That their standards were better.

The water crisis based on their chosen example for what is bad and evil is like the manufacturing crisis.

The only thing that could be said of Nick is that he hasn’t been able to beat the hysteria with the facts adroitly. But that’s because they just don’t want to listen. They’ll just pick some creek that’s getting run-off from the cities and say ‘baaaaaaaaaaad’.
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August 21, 2017 3:53pm
- realityczech
  
  It is worse than that. Much worse. If it is a healthy river full of bird life, the Ecoli count is higher. The dimwits that vote Labour/Green don’t understand birds shit in the water. The lower reaches of the Maitai river in Nelson being one example.
  
  In that situation they use that small portion of the river to attack National with the backing of so called scientists.
  
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  August 21, 2017 4:03pm
  - Happychappy
    
    r/c And the Maitai River in Nelson was like that over 65 years ago, I used to jump off the Collingwood Street bridge every summer but a short distance away was the reclamation and that you could not swim in.
    
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    August 21, 2017 7:02pm
    - mikenmild
      
      How would one ‘swim in’, as opposed to walk on, a reclamation?
      
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      August 21, 2017 7:28pm
holysheet

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-censorship-journal-idUSKCN1B103J?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

Can we do this, please? If you don’t like it fuck off. The Chinese have it sussed.
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August 21, 2017 3:56pm
rangitoto

So Dunne has finally woken up that he would have been rinsed. He should have stepped down years ago.
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August 21, 2017 4:00pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have often thought that the man has delusions of royalty.
  Every time he has a bowel motion he sits on The Throne and has a United Party caucus meeting.
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:39pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Maybe he’s sick of being asked about his in-depth knowledge of street drugs?
  A rinsing that’s at least two elections overdue.
  Don’t let the door hit you in the bum on the way out Dunny
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:41pm
krazykiwi

Watch LA Antifa supporters protesting that George Soros owes them money.

They offer to ‘fight for $15/hr’.

The progressive, tolerant Left.
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August 21, 2017 4:30pm
Stars And Stripes

Family First stripped of charity status
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11908182
“Family First has been stripped of its charity status.
The Charities Registration Board said in a decision today the reason was “because it does not advance exclusively charitable purposes”.
“The board considers that Family First has a purpose to promote its own particular views about marriage and the traditional family that cannot be determined to be for the public benefit in a way previously accepted as charitable,” said chairman Roger Holmes Miller”.

So promoting marriage and traditional values is no longer in the public benefit it seems.
Family First are a bunch of cranks as far as I’m concerned but the reasons given for this decision are just so flaky and inconsistent when compared to the actions of other so called charities that are free to carry on peddling their nonsense it certainly looks to me like the powers that be are just trying to silence them.
Bad day for freedom of speech but a good day for the taxpayer it seems.
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August 21, 2017 4:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  it certainly looks to me like the powers that be are just trying to silence them.
  
  Yes, if they were successfully promoting LGBT lifestyles, or unsuccessfully promoting heterosexual lifestyles they’d still be registered.
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:26pm
  - nasska
    
    Instead they simply act as preachy, moralistic prats & expect the generally secular taxpayer to subsidise their ravings.
    
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    August 21, 2017 5:32pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nope. They practice advocacy.
      
      You mightn’t like what they advocate.
      
      You mightn’t agree with the basis of that advocacy.
      
      But there you have it … free-speech and democracy in action.
      
      Well, that was until the Charities Commission established that their view of free speech should prevail.
      
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      August 21, 2017 5:41pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Free speech is not we subsidize your religions nonsense.
        It is about time tax free status was removed from churches as well as the god freaks definition of family’s first ..
        
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        August 21, 2017 6:07pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Ah Griff, there you go again. Unable to separate what someone believes, from why they believe it. There’s pretty good science supporting positive outcomes for families where the kids are raised by their biological parents. I guess you could disregard that to parade your disdain for anyone religious who believes the same thing. Never mind that being subjective and childish.
        
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        August 21, 2017 6:31pm
      - Andrei
        
        And yet we are expected to fund Griff’s absurd neo pagan religion and subscribe to his bizarre beliefs
        
        According to this fruit loop flatulent dairy cows in Southland are a danger to the transgender whales swimming off the coast of Greenland or something.
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        What hours do you work in St Petersburg, Andrei?
        
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        August 21, 2017 7:58pm
      - Andrei
        
        How much is George Soros paying you Mikey?
        
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        August 21, 2017 8:49pm
wiseowl

So do iwi advance ‘exclusively charitable purposes’?
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August 21, 2017 5:06pm
- nasska
  
  ….”So do iwi advance ‘exclusively charitable purposes’?”…..
  
  IMHO the answer has to be no. Iwi, however, do have one admirable quality.
  
  They only want my money…..they have little interest in forcing me to live my life according to their make-believe Skyfairy.
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:16pm
wiseowl

Oh but they do.
They have taniwhas, rivers like people and other make believe forces they dream up to help force you to live according to their beliefs.
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August 21, 2017 5:34pm
- nasska
  
  ….” to help force you to live according to their beliefs”…..
  
  The Taniwha is a koha collector. Mention of the mythical creature under a viaduct brings wealth just as lifting Tapu provides employment for fat useless Kaumatua.
  
  The missionaries taught the Tangata Whenua well……it’s the invisibles that rake in the cash.
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:42pm
Chuck Bird

Beyond the Darklands tonight features Lundy. Sadly some will not be convinced.
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August 21, 2017 5:51pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Bizzare timing, are they trying to get a mistrial?
  
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  August 21, 2017 5:53pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I found something interesting. Christine’s brother first found his niece dead. He immediately rang 111. He did not black out for 20 minutes. He acted like any normal person would in those circumstances. Hopefully he dies in jail. Latta reckons he planned on killing his daughter as she would be a burden what life style he was planning.
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:53pm
Shaun the Sheep

Does Latta have to get the permission of his victims before he opines about their mental states and motives?
I’m no crim hugger, but Beyong the Darklands seems to me like poking the zoo monkeys through the bars with a stick.
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August 21, 2017 6:11pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I think that there is at least one noticeable exception (that shall remain nameless) in the cases picked.
  So there must be some strictures.
  
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  August 21, 2017 6:29pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  How can he get permission of his victims – they are both dead?
  
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  August 21, 2017 7:19pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Chuck : I thought it was about Liam Reid tonight.
    
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    August 21, 2017 7:27pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      That was on last week. Can you imagine that dumb lawyer married him?
      
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      August 21, 2017 8:34pm
RF

Don’t look her in her eyes and run for the hills.

The “she beast” is back….

She is demanding an enquiry concerning the activities of the SAS in the Afghan Province.

I knew she could not keep her snought out of NZ affairs after getting her arse served on a plate by the UN.

We will be seeing more of her now as she will be riding shotgun for princess Jacinda.

Basically the beast has taken over the roll of the puppet master.

If Labour get in we are in deep shit as it back to the future in reverse.
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August 21, 2017 6:32pm
- sooty
  
  Herr karke electionering as hard as she can for her stepdaughter. I bet she would not have risen her head above the parapet for Angry.
  
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  August 21, 2017 6:37pm
  - Fletch
    
    Always two there are, a master and an apprentice…
    
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    August 21, 2017 7:13pm
  - stigie
    
    And if they win the election, Peter will be the first person to get a good pashing on the lips by some fella no doubt 1`
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:02pm
- starboard
  
  Yup. Klarkula is back channelling herself through Cindy. We don’t want you, Clark, climb back on ya broomstick and fuck off.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95944742/defence-force-must-explain-villagers-treatment-by-sas–former-pm-helen-clark
  
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  August 21, 2017 6:46pm
- Gabby
  
  You don’t want Jones to come back, do you?
  
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  August 21, 2017 7:05pm
JasonJohns

Does anyone buy the fake polls that show a huge Labour boost. Sound to me like the fake polls that failed to predict Trump’s landslide. From my research I think Labour support is crashing since atheistic fornicator JA was made leader. An honest poll would put their support in the teens.

#FakePolls
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August 21, 2017 6:55pm
JasonJohns

Helen Clark’s interference in the election is totally unconstitutional. Hope the police, NZDF are watching.
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August 21, 2017 6:56pm
- mikenmild
  
  We should never have disestablished the Home Guard.
  
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  August 21, 2017 7:20pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    It’s reappeared http://rwrnz.blogspot.co.nz/
    
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    August 21, 2017 8:10pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Good luck mounting a military coup with those clownish wimps…
      
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      August 21, 2017 8:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, you mean, you mean … Kiwiblog’s own Captain Mainwaring isn’t on active home service?
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:18pm
Steve (North Shore)

Dunne, out the door. Don’t let it hit your arse on the way out. Political whore, prostitute.
Now you Winsome Peters, you are the same.
Come out with some POLICY and who you might/may prostitute with and you could get a vote.
Until then Winston First, get fucked.
Two ticks blue
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August 21, 2017 7:09pm
- Gabby
  
  Tulixpu
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:36pm
Southern Raider

Have any of these labour supporters who think rail between the golden triangle is a good idea ever been to Europe?

They don’t run commuter services between Paris and Brussels on standard train tracks with standard slow speed trains
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August 21, 2017 7:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. We have narrow gauge tracks and rolling stock in NZ, and it is wholly unsuited to high-speed traffic
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:46pm
Jack5

The story seems to have changed about the Spanish cop who shot four Islamic terrorists dead.

A day or two again they were saying it was a woman policeman. The Telegraph now reports it was a male policeman who had been a soldier previously.

Perhaps the “female cop” story was just to rile the Muslim terrorists, who are reputed to especially fear being killed by a woman.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-cop-gunned-terrorists-former-special-forces-soldier/
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August 21, 2017 7:54pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Being shot by a pig would be feared more, surely?
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    krazykiwi … being killed by a pig apparently doesn’t get the Islamic extremist struck off the invitation list to Muslim Paradise and billions of years rooting renewable virgins.
    
    What are you doin’ this year Mohammed?
    
    The same with the same lot I’ve been doing for the last 700 million years, Ahab.
    
    Yeah, who said you’d never get tired of shagging.
    
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    August 22, 2017 12:03am
  - simpleton1
    
    But is it a boar?
    Or is it a sow?
    
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    August 22, 2017 12:11am
  - simpleton1
    
    Hope they know that a pig is omnivorous.
    That it will eat all soft parts, with its good teeth, and then everything goes through its digestive system in a minced up mish-mash.
    
    So nothing really left to go into the grave.
    Those virgin “houris” will miss getting their work out.
    
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    August 22, 2017 12:20am
nasska

There’s a website called ‘rentagoat.com’ where you can get a goat to eat the grass on your lawn. “Rent A Goat helps businesses and homeowners landscape their properties in a safe and eco-friendly way, at a competitive price, by clearing their land with goats.

This isn’t to be confused with ‘rentagoat.org’, which is an Muslim dating site.
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August 21, 2017 7:56pm
- stigie
  
  But im sure you could rent a goat for other services and needs Nasska.
  Dont they multitask ole chap..?
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:12pm
- Nostradamus
  
  [Nathan Lyon] holds the record for the most Test wickets taken by an Australian off-spin bowler … thus earning the nickname amongst teammates of “GOAT”, which stands for “Greatest of All Time”.
  
  Nathan Lyon is contracted to the Australian cricket team so he probably doesn’t have an online profile at rentagoat.org!
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:19pm
Nostradamus

30 strange traffic laws from around the world

Some of my favourites:

Dog lover! – In Alaska, USA, it is illegal to drive with a dog attached by his teeth to the roof of the vehicle. Who on earth created that law?! Hopefully it was just the legislator imagining something he thought could happen.

Preventing sexual violence – In Kentucky, USA, women can only drive in a bikini if they are accompanied by two police officers or if they have an instrument of self defense.

Liberal – In Germany, it is possible to drive wearing nothing but your shoes (though those are necessary). In the country, the car is viewed as a personal space. We don’t even want to think about the situations this could lead to.

Whales saved from crazy drivers! – In Tennessee, USA, it’s illegal to shoot at whales from a moving vehicle. While strange, it is specifically written in their traffic laws!
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August 21, 2017 7:59pm
- realityczech
  
  Tennessee being land locked.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:02pm
Nostradamus

I hadn’t heard about Stuff Circuit before:

Stuff Circuit is a video-led investigative journalism team producing long-form video projects. The award-winning team – Paula Penfold, Toby Longbottom, Phil Johnson, and Eugene Bingham – has delved into stories of public interest, including a miscarriage of justice, institutional racism, and a child’s death in a secluded Christian community.

Now, with the support of NZ on Air, and in collaboration with MediaWorks, Stuff Circuit presents this multi-media investigation into New Zealand’s war in Afghanistan. We take a closer look at two significant firefights which raise crucial questions: Why were we there? What really happened? What wasn’t the public told? And why?

I have another “crucial question”. In March Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson launched their book “Hit & Run”. Lots of public debate followed. Now in late August (in middle of an election campaign) the Stuff Circuit team decide to launch “The Valley”. Why?
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August 21, 2017 8:07pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Why?
  Put the Govt on the back foot so they can’t talk about Policy. And show them as ‘uncaring’ when they deny it happened.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:34pm
- Jack5
  
  A vote for Labour is a vote for Hager the Horrible.
  
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  August 21, 2017 8:48pm
JasonJohns

If the pollsters were more honest they might have something like this:

National 48%
Act 2.5%
UF 0.5%
Maori Party 2%
Mana 2%
Green 6%
NZ First 17%
Democrats for SC 3%
National Front 4%
National Purification League 2%
Labour 16.5%
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August 21, 2017 8:08pm
JasonJohns

The polls are fake. Labour is tanking, heading for a defeat of historic proportions. Uptick if you agree.
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August 21, 2017 8:15pm
- Digmen1
  
  No, I dont agree. Under Little they were. But the Jacinda effect is real, lots of greenies and women are moving to Labour as they think she is great.
  
  Two Ticks Blue.
  
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  August 22, 2017 11:40am
Gabby

Bingles likes the ‘strong and stable government’ bite. Someone should tell him how that worked out for Wheresa.
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August 21, 2017 8:32pm
Southern Raider

Labour Candidate tries to blackmail nightmarket operator because he doesn’t fall over gushing about Jacinda and bend to Labour Party demands

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11908305

Classic is the comment about Labour Party wants people to pay for water but they won’t pay for a stand at a nightmarket
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August 21, 2017 8:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article:
  
  Kirker also said it was very concerning for democracy when parties were being charged high fees to access to market-goers. “This will mean only National Party can afford to meet people in Pakuranga night market and that your customers will have less options,” Kirker said.
  
  There’s so much wrong with this statement. First, people at the Pakuranga night market probably don’t want “options” – I suspect they’d quite like to go about their business without having to fend off political parasites. Second, by “only National Party can afford to meet people in Pakuranga night market”, is he saying that the Labour Party has run out of money so early in the campaign?
  
  But I like the story. Labour candidate threatens negative media coverage. The threatened person goes to the media with the story. Labour candidate apologises for being a prat.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:16pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Stupid behaviour. A little odd though, isn’t it, for a market operator to be charging parties extra for exclusive political access to their markets?
    
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    August 21, 2017 9:20pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild:
      
      The article quotes Barry Kirker (Labour’s candidate for Pakuranga) as being told that political parties are being charged between $300 and $500 for “exclusive” campaigning at the markets. The obvious answer is to agree to “non-exclusive” campaigning with Penny!
      
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      August 21, 2017 9:24pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        Kirker seemed to chuck his toys when the organiser didn’t think it was right to cancel the booking National had already made in advance
        
        Im amazed that people just don’t hear the that Jacinda is coming and don’t automatically ask how high they should jump
        
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        August 21, 2017 9:33pm
starboard

” I’m innocent bro ”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/96006791/parole-conditions-forbid-sir-ngatata-love-from-contacting-trust
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August 21, 2017 8:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  In September 2016, Love was found guilty of defrauding the Tenths Trust after he and then partner Lorraine Skiffington arranged for a payment from developers seeking to build on trust land, to go into a company controlled by Skiffington. Almost all of the $1.5 million payment was quickly used to pay down debt on a home the pair had recently purchased on Moana Rd in Plimmerton.
  
  Sounds like she should change her name to Lorraine Skimington. No need for “I Love Other People’s Money” to change his name.
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:06pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  And do you think Bill English will strip him of his knighthood?
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:57pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Chuck:
    
    You may have missed this story: Bill English leaves Sir Ngatata Love knighthood decision to next Government.
    
    “He [English] has been advised that the process to revoke an honour, if initiated, takes at least six weeks, and it would not be possible to resolve the matter before the election,” a spokesman said in a statement. “He has decided, therefore, that the decision as to whether to initiate the process should be made after the election and the formation of the new government.”
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:11pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Thanks, I had not seen it. English has plenty of time to start the ball rolling but did not want to upset the Maori Party back in July when he thought they could have been of use.
      
      I see Key’s rationale in regard Doug Graham was that his offending was not in the area for which the honour was bestowed.
      
      Using that rationale Rolf Harris should not have stripped of his honours.
      
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      August 21, 2017 10:31pm
Southern Raider

Nothing like the left supporting free speech

I see the Pro Choice/Feminist Collective at Auckland Uni are working to get Pro Life banned from the student body

It is actually scary how much the Marxists are taking over universities

It’s not about if you are pro choice or pro life. It’s about equal rights to people to have an opinion
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August 21, 2017 9:25pm
Nostradamus

I see a charming guy called “Benji Spence” has posted the following comment on Penny’s Facebook page:

This dude [Peter Dunne] needs to be locked up for a very long time. If we supplied a dumas with poison we’d get locked up for attempt at murder. This fuck-knuckle has got away with too much. Let’s see how powerful he is when he’s not in work. Watch ur back mate. Alot of people who uve fucked over will like to come after him

3 “likes” so far. I wonder how Penny will respond.
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August 21, 2017 9:36pm
- nasska
  
  ….” I wonder how Penny will respond.”….
  
  She’ll lift her arms, set her BO controls on stun & wade into the fray I should think Nostra. 🙂
  
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  August 21, 2017 9:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yesterday Ztev reckoned the reason Australia Labor didn’t have any MPs under suspicion of dual citizenship was because they ran good checks on all their candidates.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/and_yet_another_one.html#comment-1996557
But maybe that’s not correct…
Labor seem very reluctant to release citizenship details on at least 4 MPs
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-21/labor-refuses-to-release-citizenship-documents-for-their-mps/8827206
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August 21, 2017 10:14pm
- itstricky
  
  Maggy, you going to correct your incorrect insinuation that Jacinda endorsed a song about sex abuse from the other thread?
  
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  August 21, 2017 10:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course I wont….
    read the link I gave..
    
    it’s all about Tom Scott’s band back in 2012 exhorting folks to Fuck John Key and telling John Key he should suck their dicks.
    That seems to me to be all about abusive sexual behaviour.
    
    Then have a look at the KB commentary in 2014.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/some_lyrics_from_the_kill_the_pm_song.html
    
    I’ve never seen anything to suggest Jacinda Ardern has been revolted by Tom Scott’s lyrics.
    
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    August 21, 2017 10:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      Is this Tom Scott a musician any relation to Tom Scott the cartoonist?
      
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      August 21, 2017 11:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not as far as I am aware.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thank you, Maggy.
        
        Tom Scott, the cartoonist, had a sense of humour. Tom Scott, the musician, seems a thorough scumbag.
        
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        August 21, 2017 11:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The only left-leaning person that I have been able to find that has spoken out about Tom Scott’s revolting sexually violent lyrics is Kim Hill…..
in that interview where Tom Scott said he shouldn’t have sung about raping Stephie Key… it should have been Max Key.
https://yournz.org/2014/12/06/tom-scott-on-and-off-radio-nz/
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August 21, 2017 11:24pm
- Jack5
  
  I suppose Kim Hill chortled at that.
  
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  August 21, 2017 11:47pm
Jack5

The madness of the West. British volunteers who have been fighting ISIS alongside Kurds are accused of terrorism on their return to Britain.

In New Zealand, under the Mercenary Activities (Prohibition) Act 2004, a New Zealander who fights as a mercenary is liable to 14 years jail.

This legislation seems to have been overlooked in the cases of hundreds of New Zealanders who have worked as “security contractors” in Iraq and Afghanistan, and also in the case of the “security contractors” working on visiting cruise liners.

Goff and Labour were responsible for this gutless legislation, alleging it brought NZ into line with international requirements. Even National supported it, I recall, with Brash, then National’s Parliamentary leader, speaking in favour of the legislation. I think only NZ First’s Ron Mark, who at one stage was employed in the military of Oman, spoke against it.

New Zealand politicians visiting Iraq have at times been guarded by security contractors, and given they are largely employed by our American ally, NZ has obviously had to turn its head the other way.

But imagine the uproar, when ISIS terrorists seem to be re-integrating into the West in some cases, if NZ decided to prosecute a volunteer who had been fighting against ISIS, say with the Kurds.

It would be almost like the way NZ has been accepting Muslim refugees from the Middle East, but happily complying with the discrimination that shuts Middle East Christians and other minorities, such as Yazidis out of the refugee chain.

A similar thing is happening with Burma/Myanmar. We are taking Muslim refugees from there, but have taken bugger all of the Karen and other Christians who have been persecuted by the Buddhists for decades.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/20/brits-who-risked-their-lives-to-fight-isis-say-return-home-only-to-be-accused-terrorism.html
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August 21, 2017 11:25pm
Jack5

What is this Stuff Circuit that has travelled to Afghanistan to flesh out the claims by Hager the Horrible?

Given that Helen Clark has also piled in on the issue, it seems to point to Fairfax acting as a team with Hager and Labour in the run-up to the election.

Could it possibly be that Labour has undertaken it would unblock the merger of Fairfax with Hooerald and Newstalk ZB owner NZME?
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August 21, 2017 11:55pm
simpleton1

A lone wolf ? A loco wolf ? He was a “known ….??”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4808906/One-dead-car-crashed-bus-station.html
…… Driver crashed car into bus stop at two separate locations in Marseille ….
…… 35-year-old man, fled both scenes, and was later arrested …
…….. suspect had reportedly stolen the van before ….
…. a French national, has convictions for theft, drugs trafficking and carrying illegal weapons, police said ….
….. prosecutors source said the man had ‘serious psychological problems’, and was a ‘manic depressive’.
A criminal enquiry has been launched, but ‘the priority line of enquiry is currently the man’s psychological state, and not terrorism,’ said the source ….

hmmm,, Not known if it is an accident or deliberate.
He was “known” criminally and medically hmmm.
aaah forgot his curfew hours??
and forgot his meds?
Got it,,,,,
OK. We will never know his motive.
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August 22, 2017 12:53am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  There’s the thing.
  Not only do we have a bunch of religious zealots running people over willy-nilly, but there’s another bunch of the medically screw-loose who think that’s a great idea and want a piece of the action.
  It’s always going to be hard to tell the difference.
  
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  August 22, 2017 11:54am
simpleton1

So the Paris agreement was a bribed set up.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-climatechange-turkey-idUSKBN19T11R?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5961652104d301110c14ff47&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
July 8, 2017
The U.S. decision to pull out of the Paris climate agreement means Turkey is less inclined to ratify the deal because the U.S. move jeopardizes compensation promised to developing countries, President Tayyip Erdogan said …….
……Erdogan said that when Turkey signed the accord France had promised that Turkey would be eligible for compensation for some of the financial costs of compliance…..

Wonder how many others signed for a hand out, for the so called most signed up agreement.
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August 22, 2017 1:31am
simpleton1

German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned on Sunday against a swift abandonment of diesel cars after a series of emissions scandals, saying the fuel is still needed if climate change targets are to be met. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-emissions-idUSKCN1B00QH?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5999ea4504d301630e4b49c4&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

What is the problem, not enough electricity from wind and solar?
Burning more coal and particularly domestic lignite, the dirty stuff is where the money is made. Even displacing gas for profitability.
Happily exporting surplus electricity, but far from lowering their CO2 emissions.
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August 22, 2017 1:49am
- Southern Raider
  
  The Germans willl just import electricity across the border from French nuclear power stations
  
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  August 22, 2017 7:31am
- Inandout
  
  Can’t rely on electric vehicles Angela, what if the battery fails before the Muslim driver can hit the pedestrians?
  
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  August 22, 2017 11:01am
Manolo

Allahu akbar!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4290145/barcelona-terror-suspect-younes-abouyaaqoub-shot-and-arrested-by-spanish-police-while-wearing-suicide-vest-in-outskirts-of-city/
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August 22, 2017 4:44am
Rachael Membery

Well one journalist is a start declaring their political stance.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95971352/poll-after-labour-leadership-change-has-not-changed-dynamics-of-election
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August 22, 2017 7:38am
Shaun the Sheep

No cats up trees anywhere in the world today.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/08/donald-trump-tries-to-watch-eclipse-without-glasses.html

How is this news?
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August 22, 2017 10:40am
- Inandout
  
  Because there is a ‘get Trump’ industry over there which watches every move and utterance he and his family makes. Nothing he does can be positive, so he must be taken down at all costs. Decades of entrenchment by the political elite (Left and Right) will be almost impossible to loosen.
  
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  August 22, 2017 1:08pm
Digmen1

Can anyone please tell me what all the Chinese immigrants do when they get to NZ.

Each month we seem to accept thousands of them.
What do they do, where do they work?

Eg I know what Philipinas do and Indians, and poms and South Africans, but I hardly ever see Chinese people working in my home town.

I see a few land agents, and two dollar shop owners and some takeaway bars, a few trademe sellers, but what about the other thousands!
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August 22, 2017 11:37am
- Gabby
  
  They’re cranking out the P in their multimillion $ Auckland bungalows.
  
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  August 22, 2017 12:03pm
mikenmild

They’re hiding under your bed.
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