General Debate 17 August 2017

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nasska

Welcome to this morning’s GD…..straight jackets are on the left, meds to your right & ask the nurse if you want to play with the crayons. 🙂
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August 17, 2017 8:01am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  hmmm . . . straight jacket *check* meds *check* ask nurse to play with ‘crayon’ . . .
  
  *CHECK !!!!!!!!*
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:04am
  - holysheet
    
    You forgot the toothpaste. Toothy must have a direct supply from Colgate.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:12am
    - Nosmo King
      
      Top it off with Listerine to freshen her mouth and breath.
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:17am
- Random T Person
  
  My crayon snapped.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Now you have two crayons, aren’t you the lucky one!
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:41am
    - Random T Person
      
      A real glass half full guy 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:46am
      - Biscuit
        
        I needs me one of those glass-half-full people, Random.
        
        My partner is a sweet, loving, rational person (hell, she chose ME, right?) but she is plain bonkers whenever one of our milk containers runs out and she sees me break the seal on a new one.
        
        ‘We’re down to our last container. Make sure you get a new one when you go past the shops later.’
        
        ‘It’s a 5 litre container, my sweet, loving, rational person: it will easily last us 4 days.’
        
        ‘Get a new one. Today.’
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:52am
      - Random T Person
        
        Well, that just takes the Biscuit…
        
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        August 17, 2017 9:24am
- Viking2
  
  ah ya getting old naaska!
  Once you would have asked the nurse to play with you. 😆
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Is that ‘play’ as in an eight year old or ‘play as in an eighteen year old?
    
    Just need a bit of clarification . . . . .
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:00am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And been rewarded with a short sharp wack with a spoon.
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:43pm
    - Viking2
      
      ha That would make it go down. (or perhaps shrink.) Poor naaska
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:48pm
- starboard
  
  ” Muwhahahaha..’Hic Hic’..Tic..twitch..”sh** bast***Ass***”
  …awww too many of the yellow pills..
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:52am
Captain Mainwaring

In case you’re running out of reasons to vote National, here’s another one:
Remember how much it used to cost to relicense your car before the Nats sorted out ACC compared to how much it costs now?
TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
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August 17, 2017 8:05am
- Chris R
  
  Thanks, where do I look for the numbers? If Labour were government the reduction would not have occurred and the monies would’ve disappeared into a slush-fund to satisfy their needs never to leave money in our pockets. National isn’t stressing enough that a vote for Labour is a vote for increased taxes…and Labour continue to dream-up more taxes. I recall about 30 years ago an aging accountant told me he’d only ever made decent money when Labour was in power as he was full time assisting clients to avoid Labour’s humanity-hating tax regimes.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:18am
- Positan
  
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  Obviously, you don’t pay the registration on a motorcycle – or appreciate how often a car is the cause of so many motorcycle “accidents.”
  
  The ACC levy on a motorcycle neglects to take that feature into account.
  
  I won’t be conned into making “2 ticks blue.”
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:26am
  - Random T Person
    
    Motorcyclists are the biggest cause of motorcycle accidents. I should know, I rode those things for a very long time and god only knows how I survived.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:33am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    I won’t be conned into making “2 ticks blue.”
    
    Well unless they are blue or yellow you sure as shit are being conned.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:39am
  - G152
    
    Go into any Orthopedic ward anywhere and count them as came off a motorbike…
    Rotorua had two people who’d had falls and twelve motorcyclists in traction
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:49am
    - Biscuit
      
      Labour has that problem solved.
      
      Motorcycle-riding lessons will be offered, free, to all toddlers.
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:54am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      As a rider who is currently bike’less, how many of those that came off, did so whilst trying to avoid a car/truck/person/pushbike/animal or other things?
      How many of those took evasive action due to an idiot in a metal cage cutting them off, driving straight at them, changing lanes into them etc?
      As a country we care so little for our riders that we try to kill them at any opportunity. (We forget that we should only kill cyclists)
      Look at other countries where motorbike riding is encouraged and where the penalties and costs are allocated to who actually causes the accident, or countries where motorbikes outnumber cars and see how they protect their riders.
      Yes there are idiots that ride too fast, ride aggressively and are generally accepted as temporary citizens, but they are the minority.
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:44am
  - dime
    
    they also neglect to take into account the guy who owns 20 bikes. same fee per bike.. cause he can ride all of em at once.
    
    fuck i hate ACC
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      If you can afford 20 bikes then surely ACC levies are the least of your worries…
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:16am
      - dime
        
        “If you can afford 20 bikes then surely ACC levies are the least of your worries…”
        
        if you can afford a house in auckland then me taking your tv is the least of your worries..
        
        its the principle dude.
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:14am
      - cmm
        
        Hey dime… Sure, the principle is important, but what is the principle here?
        
        If you’ve got 20 bikes then sure, you can’t ride them all at the same time.
        
        But maybe you and mrs dime each ride a bike and maybe you have 18 kids (??pennies??) who ride the rest.
        
        Perhaps there is a more equitable solution than charging per bike, but it is hard to see any solution that would make everyone happy.
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:07pm
    - Viking2
      
      well of course its the same for owning cars. Own 20 cars pay 20 times ACC.
      Stop complaining, sell some, you can only ride one at a time.
      
      Bloody capitalist.
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:52pm
  - rouppe
    
    Unfortunately ACC doesn’t look for “cause of”, only “involved in”.
    
    I did a survey a few months ago and the question of motorcycle ACC levies was discussed. I can’t remember the exact figures, but ACC income from motorcycle levies was something like $22 million, but care paid for those involved in motorcycle accidents was something like $100 million. As I say I can’t remember the exact figures, but there was a large disparity, so you can take solace from knowing that car drivers are paying for ACC care of motorcyclists.
    
    I should note that I am a motorcyclist. I will also disclose that I was involved in a slow speed (maybe 30kph) incident last year in rush hour traffic which had severe outcomes. A total 11 days in ICU, 3 weeks total in hospital, 2 months off work. Collapsed lung, 14 rib breaks, shoulder fracture… Never in my wildest dreams did I think a collision at such a slow speed would result in so much damage.
    
    SO I don’t complain about ACC levies too much anymore…
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:06am
    - cmm
      
      I hope you’ve fully recovered.
      
      I don’t know what happened in your case, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re a safe rider that never takes risks.
      
      I have not ridden much, but I used to borrow one of my brother’s bikes on occasion. It really opened my eyes to how many risks most (or at least many) motorcyclists take.
      
      I didn’t weave through traffic, didn’t speed and rode very defensively. It took me twice as long to get anywhere as the other blokes.
      
      One bloke broke his leg and started riding again with his broken leg in plaster (he made a hook thing on the side of his bike to hold his broken leg). He had another crash, broke the other leg, and ended up with both legs broken at the same time from two different accidents.
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:28am
    - Jack5
      
      Cat Man Morgan is motorbike folk’s hope isn’t he?
      
      Didn’t Morgan organise or lead protests against ACC levies on motorbikes that are even higher than they are now?
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:48am
  - cmm
    
    “The ACC levy on a motorcycle neglects to take that feature into account.”
    
    If you want to bleat how ACC was constructed, then go back to the 1972/75 term: Labour, Norman Kirk, most recently amended in 2001 by: Labour, Helen Clark.
    
    ACC is a blameless system. It looks at costs, not fault.
    
    Farmers pay higher ACCs than office workers not because farmers are more to blame for their accidents, but because farming accidents are more expensive to treat than paper cuts.
    
    ACC levies for motocycles are higher because a motorcycle rider is far more likely to end up damaged needing expensive treatment. Some of that is down to motorcycles being inherently less safe in an accident and some must also go to the generally more twattish behaviour of motorcyclists.
    
    Car vehicle safety has improved dramatically: airbags, body design, crumple zones, traction control etc. This vastly reduces damage to passengers hence reducing ACC costs. Hence ACC levies have reduced.
    
    Motorcycles are a really shit place to be in an accident of any sort. Yes, I’m aware that some top-end bikes now have airbags on the handlebars, but those do very little in the grand scheme of things. Therefore ACC levels don’t get reduced.
    
    But still, most motorcyclists do not ride safely. Almost all weave though traffic, accelerate aggressively and speed. Very few ride defensively.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:13am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Auckland lane splitting commuters; some of those riders have a death wish as big as their entitlement to take any space between you and the car in front and shout if you don’t move over so they can go down the middle.
      
      Aholes.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:47am
      - cmm
        
        They’re called hood ornaments.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:45am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:23am
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:59am
- Gabby
  
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  TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:30am
eszett

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SURPRISE!!!!!

National working behind closed doors on its own water pricing plans

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/Environment/1169/

But, but, but….treaty claims, tax, royalties, food prices, $50 bottles of wine, somebody think of the farmers, the sky will fall!!!! Panic!

If anyone needs more proof that all that bluster from National and on kiwiblog was just scaremongering, here it is.
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August 17, 2017 8:05am
- Lance
  
  Another sad sock puppets arrives so early to piss all over GD.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:11am
  - Gabby
    
    Just announcing yourself there Lants.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:34am
- Simon
  
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  Thanks for link. There of course is nick smith running a secret committee headed by a Labo tard to work out how much the water tax is going to be.
  
  Nick bloody smith tongue so forked he uses it hug trees.
  
  Time for a change. Give the other mongs a go.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:18am
  - Lance
    
    Oh look
    Lefties pretending to be pragmatic
    
    Snigger
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:36am
    - Inandout
      
      Oh look, a Richard Harman site. Jacinda really is the Peoples’ Princess.
      
      http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1168/NZ-Government-kept-Barnaby-Joyce's-citizenship-top-secret-Barnaby-Joyce-Gerry-Brownlee-Julie-Bishop-citizenship.htm
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:48am
      - Gabby
        
        Why did they do it Inaknot? Why’d they leave Kiwi Barney hanging?
        
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        August 17, 2017 9:37am
- SteveRemmington
  
  eszett, You seem confused. The uproar from National and resident KBers wasn’t about a Water Tax being investigated or implemented but more that Labour, after several months talking about how they have a solution then going on to release a one page policy document devoid of details, $ per litre etc or what economic benefits their policy would provide.
  
  National appear to be investigating a well researched water levy, and based on that research if found to be viable it will be founded on the economic benefits and not just pulled out of David Parkers arse as a talking point to fill newspaper print.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:23am
  - Simon
    
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    “appear to be investigated”
    That’s the problem we should not have to guess we should know. National scum hiding taxes just before an election
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:35am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      “That’s the problem we should not have to guess we should know”
      
      Based on lack of detail, aren’t you guessing what the Labour 1 page policy will be Simon?
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:45am
      - Simon
        
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        Yep agree. Labo and its one pager. Mong soup. But it now looks like Nick Smith has done all labo’s work for them.
        
        Maybe on the one pager Labo should have referred to National secret water tax committee
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:52am
      - Gabby
        
        I’m guessing it will be the basis of nat policy rimmers.
        
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        August 17, 2017 9:40am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Apologies to Simon and the moderators – I meant to reply to his comment, not to report it. Here is that reply:
        
        I am sure that if Labour do get into power, they will receive advice about what the working group has done and what its conclusions and recommendations are. I would very much hope that they would carefully consider that advice.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:43am
- Gabby
  
  Really pissed off that Labour didn’t give them time to copy the policy properly. Damn you sneaky Labour.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:33am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Wow – lots of Kool Aid drinkers today.
  
  Was that a down-tick for pointing out another of National’s Labour Lite policies
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  Was it a down-tick for pointing out anything that is negative about National
  
  Either way – lots of Ostriches here.
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:47pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Squawk!! 🙂 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:48pm
Left Right and Centre

A Sikh delivering milk showed me his kirpan this morning – no shit.
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August 17, 2017 8:06am
- holysheet
  
  Padriv will be pissed. He doesn’t like any competition in that regard.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:15am
- cmm
  
  I’ve got no problem with people carrying knives. I have problems with people poking them into each other.
  
  Sikhs with knives are like well brought up country kids with guns – they are brought up respecting the weapon and are taught from a young age not to bugger about with them.
  
  I normally carry a knife or two with me and asked a cop about it. Basically if you are well behaved and don’t pose a threat to society then they don’t care.
  
  Lets use evidence instead of emotion: until Sikhs show up in knife fighting/armed robbery statistics let them carry their knives.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:34am
  - Viking2
    
    Obviously we need more of them in dairies. That would shit a few nasties off. A couple of swipes and it would stop forever.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:53am
  - Gabby
    
    Thass notta noff cmmiebokkie, this is a noff.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:43am
  - dime
    
    i think if the blade is under 3 inches then youre all good. no assisted opening knives though
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:43am
    - Swifty
      
      Come apart scissors…..
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:13am
  - Jack5
    
    Most Sikhs in NZ are decent, law abiding people, but it’s wrong, even ignorant, to regard Sikhs as some especially responsible people who should be exempt from laws about carrying weapons.
    
    There are nearly half a million Sikhs in Canada, and they have a Sikh Mafia in British Columbia, and there has been Sikh violence in Ontario.
    
    Bindy Johal was a notorious Sikh gangster in B.C. His politically-correct termed “Punjabi mafia” was blamed for murdering a number of Canadian Sikhs.
    
    Let’s not regard ethnic immigrants and refugees as some sort of saints. Evidence of such a politically correct attitude in NZ is the continuing silence over the death in a mysterious Auckland fire of the secretary of the Refugee Council.
    
    This man, Kailesh Thanabalasingham, was of the same name and age and ethnicity of a notorious and violent Sir Lankan gangster who had been deported from Canada.
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:11am
    - Johnboy
      
      All the Sikhs I get to meet on a regular basis are a pack of lousy bastards. Not one of them has sold me the winning Lotto ticket yet! 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:54pm
  - cha
    
    Basically if you are well behaved and don’t pose a threat to society then they don’t care.
    
    I think you can carry a folding knife with a blade of less than 10cm although possession of any knife in a public place without reasonable excuse is an offence.
    
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1981/0113/latest/whole.html#DLM53545
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:20pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  When the paperboy or potential opera singer shows you his .22, that is the time to be concerned.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    Woo hoo!! Another Bain thread. 500 comments by lunch time.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  ‘You could hear the hoof beats pound
  As they raced across the ground
  And the clatter of the wheels
  As they spun round and round
  And he galloped into Market Street
  His badge upon his chest
  His name was Asha
  And he drove the fastest milkcart in the west’
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:52am
- tf78
  
  I believe they are very good people.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    The cool thing about Sikhs is they are very tolerant and mindful of others. They don’t kill you if you won’t convert to their religion.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘they’ – LOL
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:39am
    - dime
      
      “‘they’ – LOL”
      
      whats wrong with that?
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:45am
      - mikenmild
        
        Under the same category as “some of my best friends are Maori”, etc.
        How can tf78 possibly know that all Sikhs are good people?
        It’s like saying “I believe Muslims are good people”, or “people from Auckland are bad”.
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:32am
      - dime
        
        “hey dime, what are aussies like?”
        
        “i believe they are a good people”
        
        milky – “ohhh wacist”
        
        nothing wrong with tf78’s statement.
        
        has nothing to do with your “my best friends are maori” bullshit. thats a different argument. by bringng it up you implied he racist which makes you a piece of shit.
        
        when is your next “im done with kiwiblog” post? 40,000? then we get 3 weeks peace?
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:42am
      - mikenmild
        
        makes you a piece of shit
        
        Do you kiss your hookers with that potty mouth?
        Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m back to help ignorant imbeciles like yourself. Don’t worry, you don’t have to thank me.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:34am
      - cmm
        
        He did not say “each and every Sikh is good”.
        
        Nothing wrong with saying “good people” . That is clearly an opinion expressed about an aggregate.
        
        It is of course not an assertion that every single Sikh is good. I’m sure there is at least one that is not.
        
        It would be grossly unfair to Sikhs to equate them in any way with Muslims. Sikhs don’t have it written in their books to kill non-Sikhs.
        
        Islam is a different thing entirely. If you are not killing the infidel then you are not doing Islam properly.
        
        ie. Islam has declared themselves incompatible with Western society, Sikhs have not.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:02pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        MM, I agree with the last part of your first reply to this set of posts… Aucklanders are bad… 🙂
        
        Oh alright, some of them might be OK.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:39pm
      - MH
        
        If a Sikh does come at you with a knife grab his turban and pull on it till he spins into the ground.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:44pm
- Fletch
  
  Did you say, ‘thanks but I don’t swing that way’.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:30am
Deadly pony

I’m waiting to see if searchers find the two car thieves who fled into the Tongariro Nat Park and then called for help when they got cold and lost. Something of a morality tale that one…
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August 17, 2017 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  Darwinism at work at it’s best.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:16am
  - Nermal
    
    Sadly, no. One at least has already bred, though fortunately only two so far.
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:14pm
- RF
  
  If I was in the search party I would be watching for circling hawks.
  
  Those two will not be alive now.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:51am
  - lifesgood
    
    Two less scumbags on our streets. Idiots!
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:58am
  - holysheet
    
    apart from the two missing, are there any pigs in that forest? They clean up the carrion fairly quickly.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:59am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Looking at the relatives on the news, if you asked them that question, they’d think you were talking about the police searchers.
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:48am
- G152
  
  Pre European Maori had no problems living in the same area without dying of exposure and they didn’t have access to the modern weatherproof clothing
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:54am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or in damp and airy whares.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:43am
  - Duxton
    
    Actually, that’s not correct. Pre-European Maori avoided the area. It was too cold and inhospitable…..somewhere to pass through quickly, and preferably during summer.
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    The density of Maori south of Kaikoura was quite light, and they lived on the coast.
    
    Kaikoura is about the limit for successful growing of kumera, and so the diet would have been mainly fish.
    
    They wouldn’t have fared well in inland Otago and Southland in winter frosts with the poor clothing they had.
    
    Is there any evidence of Maori being in the Southern Alps, except to harvest greenstone, and that would have been in summer?
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:34am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      When Heaphy and Brunner trekked down and up the west coast in 1846 there were less than 100 Maori on the whole west coast (including the ones that the Maori they did encounter told them about). South Island Maori had tiny numbers.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:50pm
    - RF
      
      Years ago I was shooting deer out of Glenorchy at the head of Lake Wakatipu.
      
      There was a raised area up river called camp hill and locals told me that this is where West & East Coast Maori would meet and trade.. Greenstone etc for food.
      
      Basically the South Island Maori was reasonably peaceful and more interested in growing root crops. Although west coast Maori grew crops they were limited because of the damp climate.
      
      Greenstone that was found on the west coast was not available on the east coast….
      
      The North Island Maori were a problem as they came down on their seek and destroy missions to pick up greenstone for weapons etc and slaves for eating.
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:33pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Seems unlikely to me. There is a lot of very inhospitable land to traverse across central otago with big rivers and difficulty in food foraging to get there. Also cold glacier fed rivers and lakes to cross. Wakatipu is only ~10-12°C. The west coast bush is pretty hard to move through, and following rivers is damned hard (read Heaphy/Buller accounts of their trek). I suspect it is more likely they did any commerce in boats around the coast, with the coast being a dependable source of shellfish.
        
        That said Maori would venture inland in summer months to catch eels etc in high country lakes – probably worked their way up river courses and fattened themselves up to act as their own food storage for leaner winters.
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:50pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yep, Once they had eaten all the Moa, Seals, Penguins, Kiwi etc that once teemed around NZ they had to somehow forage enough seafood (probably highly reliant upon eels too) to survive even through the cold of winter. That must have been incredibly hard to do with their appallingly crappy housing, clothing and lack of footwear. I believe the inability to grow gourds in SI for meat storage also had an impact on their population numbers.
      
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      August 17, 2017 5:38pm
- Gabby
  
  Racist phone coverage.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:45am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  What kind of deadly pony are you????
  Ponies are nice.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:28pm
krazykiwi

I see convicted money launderer William Yan will keep his controversial New Zealand citizenship.

He was granted citizenship in 2008 by Shane Jones, then a Minister in the Labour government, against the advice of Internal Affairs who believed Yan did not meet the “good character” requirements.
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But Jones, now a candidate for New Zealand First in the upcoming election, granted citizenship anyway on humanitarian grounds.

This led to accusations of political bias as Yan had forged links with a number of MPs, particularly in Labour, who lobbied in support of his citizenship bid.

This did, and still does stink.
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August 17, 2017 8:13am
- wreck1080
  
  He is good for our economy though. Government seem to enter into all sorts of dubious arrangements in the guise of ‘helping the economy’.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:27am
  - Random T Person
    
    One wonders how much the Kim Dotcom fiasco has cost the taxpayer.
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:35am
    - Lance
      
      And if he mysteriously gets a get of jail free card if the coalition from hell gets into power?
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:39am
      - Random T Person
        
        Ye gods.
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:48am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Shane Jones won’t be happy that this has reared its ugly head again, just before the election. I bet he wishes he’d never heard of Bill Liu.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:18am
- Jack5
  
  Politicians have been shameful in their dabbling in arranging citizenship for foreign criminals.
  
  Sadly, the Jones-Yan link won’t be hammered in the election campaigns, because politicians on both sides of the Left-Right divide seem to have been meddling in citizenship for dodgy foreigners.
  
  Parliament must be able to rescind the citizenship of crook Yan, but of course who is safe to throw the first stone?
  
  They don’t even want to send back to China the crooks that Beijing would like back.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:27am
Happychappy

It shows you how bias the media in NZ is after the Chris Hipkins dirty hit job on Australian Politics the spinoff gives Nicky Hagar the opportunity to again spìn his bullshit about Dirty Politics and Blubber Oil and Kiwiblog.
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August 17, 2017 8:19am
- Gabby
  
  You should lend Julee your big boy pants chappy.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:48am
flipper

Sooooooo ………..

Will Red TV go all orgasmic over the Tooth Fairy tonight ??????????????????

Rather too soon to measure any meaningful effect, apart from the Green effect ??????????????
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August 17, 2017 8:22am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Flipper – The One news poll today will show a definite increase for Tooth Fairy like the 3-News poll did. It will be at the expense of Greens and Winston First. National will drop a point or two as it happens with polls every now and then. Watch the resident commie Corin spin it as if the Jacinda effect has spread to National voters and Labour is now marching into National territory and Tooth Fairy will be crowned Queen of NZ on Sep 23rd night. If you want to empty your stomach, watch it tonight.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:12am
  - KevOB
    
    No thanks.
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:26am
    - Gabby
      
      Go on go on go on go on go on.
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:51am
  - Gabby
    
    I am confident that Bingles’ photo-essay in beige will boost his ratings. He knows his demographic.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:49am
  - RF
    
    Sir Cullen’s Sidekick…
    
    Empty your stomach !!!!!!!
    
    Dear god it will be worse…. your Bowels will turn to water…..
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:18pm
Monique Watson

Heigh ho. Heigh Ho. It’s off to work we go.
Or do battle with the Councils from a Keyboard.
Happy Thursday and watch out or the cattle rustlers guys. And Julie Bishop.
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August 17, 2017 8:22am
- Random T Person
  
  Happy Thursday indeed. I was convinced it was Wednesday until I saw your missive.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:35am
Left Right and Centre

I watch something called ‘Banter’ . . .

HDPA was on there – in favour of leftist water tax.
Suggested that maybe it might persuade farmers to consider switching to the bottled water business.

ffs – I mean . . . give me strength . . . FFS !!!!
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August 17, 2017 8:28am
- sooty
  
  For all the years, shes been with bearly sober, she has not got any more sense.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:39am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I don’t know, Barry is making less sense than ever which makes her look relatively ‘smart’
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:47am
- G152
  
  Ah, the child bride. Not the brightest candle in the candle factory that one
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:56am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If taking water and putting it into bottles and then exporting it is more profitable than taking water and spraying it onto fields and putting cows on those fields and getting the cows impregnated and taking their calves away and milking them and putting the milk into a bottle or turning it into a powder and then exporting that, meanwhile degrading the quality of the water – then switching to the bottled water business is exactly what farmers should do.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:13am
- Flash
  
  Given the weather this year, getting into the bottled water business might look quite attractive.
  No mud –
  No cows –
  Yep might look into that.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:04pm
krazykiwi

In the UK Labour MP Sarah Champion has resigned from the shadow cabinet after she was criticised for penning an article in The Sun acknowledging the fact Pakistani Muslim men target white girls for sexual grooming.

“Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is.”

Ms. Champion is the MP for Rotherham, where 1,600 girls were drugged, beaten, trafficked, and raped by mainly Pakistani Muslim men over a 10-year period.

However, left-wingers and supporters of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn quickly attacked her for writing the article, accusing her of “racism” and “Islamophobia”, and demanded she resign.

The left. More focused on virtue signalling, than on the plight of abused children. Shame on them, and also, shame on Champion firstly for bowing to pressure to resign, while saying the paper should have published her letter anonymously.
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August 17, 2017 8:31am
Simon

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Dirty Chinese money has bought both Labo and National MPs. Shitting over NZ

Party vote Winston First. Honest Winston to keep a check

Time to give the other mongs a go.
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August 17, 2017 8:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  It was Labour’s Shane Jones who granted citizenship against departmental advice. Shane Jones is now a candidate for NZ First.
  
  Honesty? There’s more honesty in a phone call from a distant Nigerian relative.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:40am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That’s a really good dose of karma, both for Jones and Winston First. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of xenophobes.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:20am
- holysheet
  
  Nah, better the mongs you know than the other dumb arse ones.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:41am
- Lance
  
  “Honest Winston”
  
  ………… Nurse !!!!!!
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:41am
  - Viking2
    
    You want crayons???
    
    Or some of those male nappies for the patient?
    
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    August 17, 2017 8:57am
- smttc
  
  Interesting. Using Winston and Honest in the same sentence.
  
  pffft
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:14am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    He thinks it is his turn?
    
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    August 17, 2017 3:18pm
- Gabby
  
  He’ll delegate that to Honest Shane.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:54am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    You mean Shane who’s “a bit of a movie buff but not a fan of the buff movie”?
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:56am
Sarkozygroupie

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/95843216/three-top-officials-leaving-in-ministry-of-transport-restructure

Another three scalps from the Joanne Harrison 720k fraud at the Ministry of Transport.
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August 17, 2017 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  And taking these scalps will one way or another cost the long suffering taxpayer at least $720k. It seems that incoming CEO’s like to re-jig the top levels of the organisations they are appointed to to show they are ‘doing something’ and because they would rather have people the CEO appointed than those there before. IMO the State Services Commissioner should signal very strongly to CEO applicants that any prospective changes in the organisation structure require a sign off from stakeholders (ie the Commissioner and the responsible Minister) and need to be for good reason.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:48am
  - srylands
    
    That is a terrible idea. Chief Executives are paid to run the organisation. You don’t want Ministers deciding on agency management structures.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:46am
- calendar girl
  
  The Ministry sounds like the proverbial shambles. The future may not be much brighter either.
  
  Why would any organisation, government or business, choose to appoint four new Deputy Chief Executives? It must have something to do with leap-frogging pay structures in the public service.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:58am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The new CEO is putting his personal stamp on the department. His decision to replace staff is not based on the replaced personal being incompetent, but rather the new CEO is ‘spraying’ his territory like a tom cat moving into a new patch.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:10am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s just a fashion. Once upon a time, the departmental heads were called ‘secretaries’. Some still are. They would have deputy secretaries and assistant secretaries. A deputy does not have to be a sole position. Later, deputies tended to be called general managers. Now the fashion is to call them deputy chief executives.
    Old wine in new bottles.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:44am
VicParking

Red radio have given up any attempt to have balance in their song singing for Liebour.
Just look at their new web site: http://thewireless.co.nz to see its really a free advert for the opposition.
Phil Twi-fraud had a free run this morning on housing going on with the selected statistics he used in question time yesterday. He was crushed in Parliment but on Red radio this was not mentioned.
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August 17, 2017 8:34am
- MCos
  
  Well, here’s your chance.
  What happened in parliament yesterday?
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:39am
  - KevOB
    
    Phil is a nonentity. He grins like a 6 year old thinking he got one over you with each question.
    He doesn’t have any presence in the house.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:31am
  - VicParking
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=196790
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:44pm
- Gabby
  
  It’s shocking the way ministers beg to be put on air to explain their decisions, inactivities, reasons for not interfering in operational matters. You’d think Nasty nat radio would stop pretending they ‘contacted’ ministers and ‘invited’ them to front up but they ‘refused’.
  Surely if a Minister of the Crown deems it unnecessary to explain a matter, Lesser Mortals should know to hold their unworthy tongues.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:04am
Paulus

Please advise me as I may be making a real blue.
The new National Party candidate just selected in Gore to replace Barclay – was he the defeated person who was beaten by Barclay originally, the decision of which at the time upset a faction of the Party electorate ?
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August 17, 2017 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He is not the same person. The other guy was older and a Queenstown businessman.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:57am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Correct, the other bloke in question was named Simon Flood.
    
    Walker has a pretty varied career. He’s been a commercial fisherman, a police jailer, a professional rugby referee and a business owner. He stood against Clare Curran in Dunedin South in 2014, and although he lost by just under 4000 votes, National won the party vote by around 2500, an increase of around 1000 from 2011.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:26am
- Happychappy
  
  Paulus: No that person withdrew their nomination about a week before the selection got under way.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:58am
SteveRemmington

Hostage situation evolving in Upper Hutt.

I’m hoping Mikenmild hasn’t finally gone full retard.

He has been escalating the rhetoric recently.

#imwithmikey
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August 17, 2017 8:38am
- Biscuit
  
  LOWER Hutt, Steve.
  
  Upper Hutt is a haven for law-abiding citizenry!
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:57am
  - mikenmild
    
    And only has one prison…
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:35am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      He’s alive!
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:31pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s actually in Lower Hutt.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:58am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Sorry about the geographical mix up team.
    
    #stillprayingformikey
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:06am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  mm might’ve volunteered to be the bloody human shield. Wouldn’t want Mr Misunderstood Crim to get his head blown off now, would we ?
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:05am
  - mikenmild
    
    Just around the corner from me, actually. Went past on my walk about 15 minutes before the climax. I thought there must have been a house fire.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:46am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      Glad to hear you are safe MM
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:09am
    - Biscuit
      
      Don’t fret, mikenmild, there are baddies/nutters/RedGreen Party voters in even the BEST of suburbs!
      
      Why, whilst we were overseas back in December (how’s THAT for an alibi for you?) there was a murder less than 800 metres from my place…
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:20am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Hope your climax wasn’t messy, MM 😉
      
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      August 17, 2017 11:10am
Left Right and Centre

When the US president gives you a laughing fit . . .

(At Aug 15 Charlottesville press conference taking questions) Trump: ‘I didn’t wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement.’

*later on, to a journalist mid-answer* . . .

‘I’m not finished, fake news.’

Fark he cracked me up.
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August 17, 2017 8:38am
- holysheet
  
  yes I saw that and thought good on Trump for taking it to “fake news”
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:43am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yep, Evan Sayet said it best:
    
    https://townhall.com/columnists/evansayet/2017/07/13/he-fights-n2354580
    
    “…We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.
    This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob…
    
    “…Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”
    
    “…do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.
    So, say anything you want about this president – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights.”
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:28am
    - MCos
      
      It’s interesting that Romney & McCain’s names should be mentioned
      We all know how Trump has attempted to humiliate those two people, particularly the latter over his war record.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:41am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      So, say anything you want about this president – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights.
      
      And therein lies the absolute danger with someone like Trump. His supporters will be blind to who and what he is fighting for till the bitter end because all they care about is the fight – not where it’s leading.
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:09pm
Scott

One more thing about Charlottesville and the vitriol against Trump for not immediately naming and condemning David Duke, the KKK and the neo Nazis.

Trump has been very reluctant to name and disavow David Duke for example. And this was during the course of his campaign as well. Why is that? Now Mikey and other far leftists will say it’s because Trump is a racist.

But the truth is that Trump is serving as president for all Americans. No the reason why Trump was reluctant to condemn David Duke is this- he doesn’t want to be associated in people’s minds with David Duke.

If when he got David Duke’s endorsement when he ran for president and he said immediately, “I disavow David Duke” that would have satisfied the media for maybe one day.
Then the next day he would have been asked again, “so you disavow David Duke?”
In the public’s mind he’s starting to be associated with David Duke. The average viewer would start to think, “did he have something to do with David Duke in the past?”

And then the next day he would be asked about it again and again he would disavow David Duke and the impression is starting to become concrete in the public’s mind- Donald Trump definitely has something to do with David Duke.

The left knows this and the leftist media are dancing to the tune. Let’s ask Trump to disavow David Duke at every opportunity and that will help bring him down as the public forms the impression of an alliance with Trump and David Duke.

That’s why Trump is not dancing to their tune about Charlottesville and condemned both sides. The antifa side was dressed in black uniforms, had clubs and shields and even waved red flags of the Soviet Union!

But no one has asked Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to disavow antifa and disavow communists. The mainstream media would never do that because it would associate the democratic party with communism and they know their sole purpose in life is to bring down Republicans and make the world safe for liberal democrats.
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August 17, 2017 8:41am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Trump has been very reluctant to name and disavow David Duke’
  Not correct. He was disavowing Duke back in 1991. He’s done it lots.
  Here’s a clip of him doing it in 2000
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cmixFl8Sxfo
  Here’s another clip showing him doing it about 12 times
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SlOH_iKxPus
  You’re right about the Dems and Antifa though. The MSM is all about covering stories. With a pillow. Until they stop moving…
  His pivot about both sides being bad is good. We all know it and the more the MSM deny it the more they shred their own reputation.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:59am
  - Mattb
    
    He may have disavowed Duke back then but suddenly last year he then pretended to not know who he is. That was yet another lie.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RiTyAwlzRI
    Oh, and good try trying to compare Antifa etc to neo nazis and the KKK – scum who’s core beliefs are the death of non whites especially jews and blacks.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:26am
    - dime
      
      “Oh, and good try trying to compare Antifa etc to neo nazis and the KKK – scum who’s core beliefs are the death of non whites especially jews and blacks.”
      
      lmao yeah cause Antifa arent scum!
      
      neo nazis, kkk, antifa are all just terrible human beings.
      
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      August 17, 2017 9:48am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sure, those Berkeley fires just lit themselves. Just like all those windows which got smashed and people attacked.
      Fuck you’re thick.
      
      In the video Trump said he didn’t ‘know’ David Duke. That could mean he’s never met him.But hey take him literally so you can smear him. Check out the videos. He’s been disavowing Duke since 1991.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:01am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘to compare Antifa etc to neo nazis ‘
      Uh huh.
      ‘An event (at Berkeley)featuring gay provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos was canceled in February after violent protests by Antifa (“antifascist”) demonstrators. The Daily Caller reported that protesters at Berkeley “broke windows, set off fireworks, and threw smoke bombs and flares, creating a dangerous environment for students and the public.” They wore masks and started a large fire just outside of the building where Yiannopoulos was supposed to speak, and set off fireworks and hurled rocks at police officers. At least six people were injured in the violence, and yet campus police did not intervene.’
      
      This violence led to Ben Shapiro’s speech being cancelled.
      So Antifa are anti free speech fascists, homophobic and anti Semite…
      Since you are defending them you must be the same.
      Lol.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:16am
      - Mattb
        
        Provide evidence that Antifa are are homophobic and anti semitic.
        You claimed Trump said he didn’t ‘know’ david Duke. Crap. His exact words were ‘I know nothing about David Duke, I know nothing about white supremacists and so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people I know nothing about.’
        So Trump was lying by claiming he knew nothing about them and you’re lying by claiming he said he didn’t know Duke when he never said that at all.
        Please point out where I have defended Antifa.
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:43am
      - Scott
        
        The antifa movement is global and aims for violence and causing havoc wherever it goes.
        
        I was amused by the antifa crowd in Germany recently going around breaking glass and beating people up. Nothing says antifascist to me like running around in black uniforms, breaking glass and beating people up in Germany ?
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:55am
      - dime
        
        “Provide evidence that Antifa are are homophobic and anti semitic.”
        
        being anti white men is enough to make them c*nts
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:58am
    - Fletch
      
      Antifa and BLM are just as bad and maybe even worse. You don’t see the so-called Nazi guys going and smashing things, rioting and looting. Their views may be abhorrent but they are largely peaceful and legally got a permit to protest on that day. It’s interesting that the governor originally denied them a permit but they went to court and won. So it looks like they were set up instead. Governor got back at them by the police herding them past Antifa protesters and the police then sitting back and doing nothing during the violence from orders on high.
      
      As I said, a set up. That doesn’t excuse a woman being run down and killed but it needn’t have happened.
      
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      August 17, 2017 11:36am
      - Mattb
        
        Good to see you think Antifa and BLM are maybe even worse. Talk about moral equivalence. Neo Nazis and Ku Klux Klan not smashing things and looting? Oh, well that’s ok then. Forget their race hatred and history of violence.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:34pm
      - Mattb
        
        Dime said:
        “Provide evidence that Antifa are are homophobic and anti semitic.”
        being anti white men is enough to make them c*nts
        
        I see you completely and utterly failed to provide any evidence. At least you’re consistent. Talking crap then failing to back it up.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:44pm
      - Fletch
        
        Matt, the thing is, these ‘American Nazis’ have no power. They don’t have the numbers to go looting and rioting or to stop speakers they don’t like speaking, or to harass people they don’t like until they are fired from their jobs or any of that sort of thing. It is the Left that have that power – in the media, in academia, in Hollywood, in government (not so much under trump now). Oh, and it is BLM followers that were killing cops based on the urging of their leaders and chanting during their protests “pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon”- the same BLM that Obama invited to the Whitehouse. Just imagine if anyone on the right had done this?
        
        Also, if you want to talk about history, the KKK and Confederates were all Democrats and they wanted to keep slavery. That’s why America fought a civil war.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:37pm
      - Mattb
        
        Fletch said ‘Their views may be abhorrent but they are largely peaceful and legally got a permit to protest on that day.’
        Then he says ‘Matt, the thing is, these ‘American Nazis’ have no power. They don’t have the numbers to go looting and rioting or to stop speakers they don’t like speaking….’
        So the real reason they don’t do looting etc is cos there aren’t enough of them, not that they’re nice guys. Got it.
        So the left have power everywhere – Hollywood, the media etc. Cry me a river. Firstly, Hollywood isn’t real – it makes movies and it makes movies so as to make money. Secondly, the media goes where the money is. Which is why Murdoch set up Fox. He saw a gap in the market and filled it.
        
        The claim of the KKK being democrats is boring. You know full well that the the Repubs and democrats did a full switch in the 60’s and the modern democrats have nothing to do with that apart from their name. Admit it: Way more Ku Klux Klan and neo nazis voted for Trump than the democrats.
        https://medium.com/everyvote/how-the-republicans-and-democrats-switched-on-civil-rights-in-5-racist-steps-92c1b41480b
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:15pm
      - Fletch
        
        You know full well that the the Repubs and democrats did a full switch in the 60’s and the modern democrats have nothing to do with that apart from their name.
        
        Total bullshit. That’s a lie propagated by the Left. It never happened and ought to know it. If you really don’t then get educated.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiprVX4os2Y
        
        https://youtu.be/I3LqPedoxSk
        
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        August 17, 2017 3:01pm
      - Mattb
        
        It may not have happened in the 60’s Fletch but it did eventually happen. And racism was part of it. I noticed you didn’t address my statement that the neo nazis were way more likely to vote for Trump than the Democrats. Do you really think the alt-right etc are voting in larger numbers for the Dems than Repubs? If not then the switch did occur.
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:42pm
      - Fletch
        
        Matt, and the socialists and Marxists are more likely to vote for Bernie and Hillary. Following your chain of thought, would you agree then that Bernie is a Marxist?
        
        So really, what has that got to do with Trump? If a racist said they were going to vote for Jacinda would you then claim it is because Jacinda is racist?
        
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        August 17, 2017 6:30pm
      - Mattb
        
        Firstly, depends on what you call a Marxist – In USA he probably is – here, not so much. John Key is a raving socialist in American terms!!
        Are you serious?? If a racist was going to vote for Jacinda I’d think he was an idiot. Whereas a racist voting for Trump has clearly been doing his homework. Trump has clearly pandered to the racists out there and is following up with policies that they like.
        https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/2/16082730/trump-racism-affirmative-action
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:15pm
      - Fletch
        
        Matt, Trump is no racist. He’s had many hispanic ppl etc work for him who say he is a great boss. Heck, Jesse Jackson honored him while presenting him at a dinner, thanking him for all the work he has done for the black community.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug
        
        And watch as a young black boxer thanks Trump for the job he gave him (and 5 brand new suits when he started), right off the street.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXimFSiFtM
        
        You can criticize Trump for many things, but the guy isn’t racist.
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:29pm
      - Mattb
        
        Reading’s not your strong point is it Fletch. I didn’t say he’s a racist. I said he’s pandering to racists. His nasty lies about Obama being born in Kenya: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/index.html
        
        His policies of removing affirmative policies: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/2/16084740/trump-affirmative-action-justice-department-college-admissions
        
        Whilst leaving in place policies that get rich kids, most of whom are white, in to universities:
        http://www.salon.com/2017/08/03/donald-trump-a-classic-case-of-affirmative-action-for-the-wealthy-wants-to-take-it-away-from-the-disadvantaged/
        Trump got in to uni thru money and connections, not braincells. His claims of being top in the class were yet more lies.
        
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        August 18, 2017 8:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    Funny how the joint chiefs of staff suddenly felt the need to condemn racism…
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:48am
Monique Watson

It’s Wednesday here. RandomT. Sunny with a chance of war if the Grand Poobah of DPRK comes out of hiding and gives the order to fire on Guam.
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August 17, 2017 8:42am
sooty

I sure hope that chippie is not helping me!
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August 17, 2017 8:44am
Huevon

The world is experiencing a severe outbreak of anti-Trump mass hysteria. Please remain in your homes, minimise TV watching and avoid university campuses. Normal broadcasting will resume in due course.
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August 17, 2017 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  Funny ,innit , how all these pinkos want monuments toppled ,when the real thing they should be concerned about is why black kids are so shit in school , why they get involved in drugs , guns ,crime .Instead of being like everyone else , a useful citizen and getting a job and staying out of gaol.
  
  But oh no ,let’s virtue signal by having riots and blaming whitey.
  
  The media should be ashamed of themselves involved in this base rabble rousing and anti Trump rhetoric.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:08am
Left Right and Centre

And finally . . . more reasons I hate Milo . . .
Piss-taking con artists are using the American non-word ‘wellness’ to sell it as ‘a health product’.

I’ve got no desire to be fully converted to Americanese lingo thanks Nestle. Now or ever.
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August 17, 2017 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  I thought ‘wellness’ was a medical condition where the sufferer climbs into man made water holes, and has to be rescued.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:08am
waikatogirl

Remaining historic statues have been removed to prevent further destruction by SJW’s.

Rewriting history is never a good thing. As the saying goes, “Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it”
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August 17, 2017 8:57am
- Andrei
  
  It all reminds me of China’s cultural revolution in the time of Mao
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:05am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Reminds me of the Taliban and ISIS…
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:11am
  - Inandout
    
    To remind KBers:
    
    ‘Set into motion by Mao Zedong, then Chairman of the Communist Party of China, its stated goal was to preserve ‘true’ Communist ideology in the country by purging remnants of capitalist and traditional elements from Chinese society, and to re-impose Maoist thought as the dominant ideology within the Party’.
    
    Swap Mao for George Soros and you have the US situation replicated.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:12am
- mikenmild
  
  There has never been a time in history when history has not been in the process of being rewritten.
  Similarly, there is nothing inherently inviolate about monuments to repressive regimes.
  The allies occupying Germany in the 1940s destroyed Nazi and military monuments, excepting cemeteries.
  Remember the East Europeans toppling statues of their former communist rulers? Or the US forces tearing down statues of Saddam?
  The statues honouring the Confederate defenders of slavery were erected decades after the war, coinciding with the revival of the Ku Klux Klan and the intensification of systematic segregation across the South.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:55am
  - starboard
    
    You got all that out without stuttering.
    Recovered from the bus injuries yet?
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:05am
  - Kimbo
    
    Fair point. Like the tablets of the 10 commandments outside many American courthouses that most recently thought had been a regular feature for two hundred years and should therefore stay for the sake of historical continuity…but it turns out they were gifted to help promote Cecil D DeMille’s the Ten Commandments in 1956! “The Law Code of Hammurabi” wouldn’t have had the same effect. 😉
    
    Having said that, irrespective of what they were fighting for (and it wasn’t just slavery), men like Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart were significant Americans…even if they were fighting very hard not to be! Half the monarchs recorded in bronze and stone are tyrants by any modern standard. Sorry, I just don’t find the confederacy especially odious that they should be obliterated from public memory.
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:05am
    - Kimbo
      
      …and if they go, it should be done lawfully. America hardly resembles just-conquered Nazi Germany in 1945, or the massive groundswell of popular support that removed communism in Eastern Europe in 1989. Noisy unrepresentative agitators should be resisted on principle until such time as they gain widespread support, and their expectations don’t infringe the rights of others.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:14am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        hear hear and well said
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:53pm
  - Andrei
    
    Swallowed all the talking points from the lunatic left Mikey
    
    Did you know that Robert E Lee was actually opposed to slavery?
    
    Of course not – facts don’t matter to leftoids
    
    The reality is that the so called antifascists with helmets on their heads and their faces covered carrying baseball bats are acting exactly like …
    
    …FASCISTS
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:07am
    - Lance
      
      So are you saying everyone was a fascist?
      Or the antifascists were the fascists and the fascists were the antifascists?
      Or the antifascists were the fascists and the fascists were peace loving citizens of no particular political leaning?
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:29am
      - Andrei
        
        For goodness sakes get a grip
        
        This was a local issue about renaming a park and removing a statue that has been inflamed
        
        There are plenty of statues of Queen Victoria in NZ and someone dipshit city Councillor might get the bright idea of tearing them down because they represent “colonialism” or something.
        
        And some people might object to this – such things happen.
        
        Because people don’t want the park renamed does not make them a “fascist” or a “racist” and wanting this change to take place does not make someone a “communist”
        
        These matters should be decided locally in a civil manner not by antisocial types from outside the community armed with baseball bats and looking for a fight and using violence instead of open political dialogue and debate to get their way
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:40am
      - Jack5
        
        Andrei, there was a case in NZ, I think around Wanganui, where the statue of a pakeha colonial politician was “beheaded”.
        
        It looked as though a number of colonial statues would be destroyed, but things escalated with a church building dear to the hearts of Maori being torched.
        
        Then cool heads, as they say, prevailed all around.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:42am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Jack, I believe the first act like that in NZ was sometime in the ?1800s when Hone Heke cut down a certain flagpole.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack5
        
        It was the statue of John Ballance that was beheaded by….
        https://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/35094/ballance-beheaded
        
        Now a new statue of John Ballance is in front of the Whanganui Council Chambers
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/ballance-statue-causes-controversy-in-wanganui-2009101918
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:27pm
    - mikenmild
      
      The myth of Lee goes something like this: He was a brilliant strategist and devoted Christian man who abhorred slavery and labored tirelessly after the war to bring the country back together.
      
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
      He was a mediocre general fighting to preserve slavery, which he thought was good for Africans.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, not that I agree about Lee as a strategist, but don’t all those also apply to Sherman? By your criteria, he wasn’t fighting to end slavery, he thought Africans were inferior, and with an army vastly out-numbering his enemy, it wasn’t that hard to travel unopposed down the Mississippi, jump off and wheel left…and march to the Atlantic burning and looting everything in his path in a planned campaign of terror.
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:43am
      - Andrei
        
        Well we could argue Robert E Lee all the day long but debating the toss by beating each other over the heads with billy clubs would bring any light the issue
        
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        August 17, 2017 10:43am
      - Duxton
        
        You read The Atlantic? How sweet!
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:45pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Both the Alt-right and the Alt-left are totalitarians, like two faces of the same coin.
      
      Pick a side. Heads you lose. Tails you lose.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:52pm
  - Duxton
    
    I’m waiting for someone to tear down a statue of Martin Luther King.
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:29am
    - mikenmild
      
      Why?
      
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      August 17, 2017 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, maybe because Martin Luther King committed sexual infidelity on a regular basis and lied about it? I mean, hey, he was clergyman. Seems more serious when they do it compared to a hairdresser and sportsman like Aaron Smith, and according to some of the ethical heavy-weights around here he’s gotta ago! 😉
        
        On a more serious note, the problem that Duxton was perhaps alluding to is that when you judge the past through an ideological lens and treat everyone and everything as part of some simplistic morality play is it is only a matter of time before everyone is flawed. For example, by the standards of radicals like Malcolm X, MLK was at least to some extent an “Uncle Tom” in not subscribing to “by any means necessary”, and instead espousing non-violence.
        
        The past is a foreign country, the do things differently there.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:20am
      - Duxton
        
        Kimbo has nailed it. I am sure someone can find something about MLK to be offended about. I didn’t know about the infidelity bit, so that will do.
        
        And no-one can complain when it happens.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:46pm
      - GoVege
        
        Clergymen are the worst when it comes to infidelity, and that includes the white ones.
        I’ve heard some stories from wives of ministers in the posh suburbs of Auckland. ..
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:18pm
    - Gabby
      
      I’m sure no statue of MLK has ever been defaced or vandalised ducksie.
      
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      August 17, 2017 11:09am
    - Inandout
      
      Martin King had a dream, but I suspect most of his dreams revolved around his taste in women.
      
      Sorry kimbo, pressed the wrong button.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Would rather you and fuckwits with similar opinions such as EAD downtick me on sight, thanks very much, Inandout.
        
        I meantioned MLK’s infidelities. Can’t say I agree with much of his (often disguised) radical left politics. But in fighting genuine racism and showing more guts than a sad keyboard warrior wanker like you will ever exhibit, he was a moral giant. I’d suggest that likely occupied “most of his dreams”.
        
        Now, kindly fuck off and trawl for agreement and sympathy from someone who is stupid enough to agree with you.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:45pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Exactly. And they are repeating it – escalating an urban war. The lack of rationality is extraordinary with few voices crying in the Liberal and virtue-signalling wilderness.
  
  Trump is saying what some of us are. Like their views or not, everyone has their own perspective and has a right to air their views. To remove it just drives it inward and recruits more to the fold.
  
  Eventually the Google employees are going to realise that their lives are forced to be completely fraudulent and they are not ‘free’, they are not allowed to exist as independent individual human beings, and the only people acting on their need for freedom are the KKK et al. (I don’t refer to neo-Nazis – it’s used often to describe the Right when it actually describes strategies used by the Left). They won’t like it, of course, and will resist for a long time, but there’s no-one else; they’ll slowly gravitate there because they have to.
  
  More to the point, a Left wing liberal rioting is not morally superior to the Right; and while some may claim the liberal Left has ‘nicer’ or more acceptable ’causes’, their oppression and suppression of others’ freedom is equally bad, let alone their tendency to do it by physical as well as verbal attack. They don’t just criticise opposing views; they seek to suppress them in entirety and to an increasing extent by dehumanising and destroying anyone with a non-Liberal/Left-tribal view.
  
  The Liberal/Left are remarkably ‘parental’ – not least in their bizarre belief that ‘children’ only learn what they say – they don’t; they learn everything that you do and say and the more powerful message is what you do. The message of the Liberal/Left is not ‘be nice’. It’s get as much power as you can, whether politically or physically, and force others to obey by any means, up to and including their total destruction.
  
  It’s neither a successful parenting strategy nor a successful relationship strategy, and in a situation where there is no option but to share the same environment, all it can lead to is increasingly extreme violence. Ultimately, they’ll have to separate if only through death – because there’s no new territory to emigrate to.
  
  You only have to watch The Project – which is like a nauseatingly childish virtue-signalling puppet show morality tale – complete with hysterical giggling ‘smiles’. It’s clearly targeted at children/youth whether in age or development.
  
  They have Paul Moon on talking sense about the above. Then they go straight back to their moralising oppression of any dissent – complete with justifications and rationalisations of why they should keep doing it, capitalising on their ever-present demonisation of Trump.
  
  Trump is actually trying to talk sense. However badly he does it, he’s simply and desperately trying to enact what Paul Moon is talking about and have some social process to dialogue about stuff between all American citizens.
  
  I’ve said before, I think it’s too late – ‘Charlottesville’ is the only way social process can go, because the Liberal/Left have decided that neo-Nazi process is the right way to go – just from their particular perspective.
  
  That is: “Gleichschaltung was the process by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, “from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education”.
  
  That is precisely what the Liberal/Left are implementing – and all in the usual name of ‘good’.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:12am
  - itstricky
    
    More to the point, a Left wing liberal rioting is not morally superior to the Right
    
    The problem was the car, Anne, the car. You know, the motoka, driven into the crowd like a terrorist feat.
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:34am
    - Andrei
      
      Nobody knows the circumstances of that yet nor do they even know why the guy was there in the first place but he has been tried and convicted on the basis of five seconds of video and who the victim was
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        …so that means we are open to the possibility he was a – now, what was the term again? Oh, yes – “a lone wolf”?
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:33am
      - itstricky
        
        tried and convicted on the basis of five seconds of video and who the victim was
        
        Sure, he hasn’t had a trial but your passive aggressive assertion that it’s alright to kill someone depending on who they are or whether anyone captured it on tape leaves me feeling a little queasy.
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:06pm
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      No itstricky.
      
      The problem wasn’t ‘the car’. The problem was two opposing factions fighting on the street. The Right to express their views. The Left, specifically, to stop them expressing their views.
      
      If the Right wing groups had come out to face the Left wing in the rioting by them after the election, it would have been utter carnage. There is going to be a whole lot more deaths.
      
      You can stick your head in the sand, or anywhere else you like, keep muttering your ideology and mantras, and keep attacking and criticising people like me. It isn’t going to change the outcome. Lots of death. And it will all be the doing of the Liberal/Left and their insistence on total control.
      
      Because no group of human beings has ever accepted it, anywhere. The species never learns. There is always a bunch of self-obsessed, arrogant, neurotic individuals who insist that they know everything about everything and everyone else should be made to comply. They start off ‘fighting for freedom’ and then move to ‘fighting freedom’.
      
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      August 17, 2017 10:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        You can stick your head in the sand, or anywhere else you like, keep muttering your ideology and mantras, and keep attacking and criticising people like me.
        
        Um, as a general rule itstricky is not ideological in with his comments, although he does look like that as he swims against the prevailing tide. Which makes him more of a canary in the cage pointing out the anomalies, inconsistencies and rationalisations that expose the ideologies of others. Plus, he has the redeeming quality of not taking himself or his opinions too seriously. Given the over-excited commentary we get here at times that sometimes turns the place into an echo chamber, maybe he’s not the one with his head stuck in the sand. Plus he has the additional redeeming quality of being restrained in his use of emphatic adverbs, and references the importance of doing so. 😉
        
        Just as suggestion.
        
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        August 17, 2017 11:39am
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        I’ve said before, Kimbo. Get out of your head and engage in some humanity.
        
        A young woman is dead – forever – her life, her family etc. Not to mention the tension it’s going to generate all over the country.
        
        She’s dead because the Liberal/Left motivated her to get out there and stop other people expressing their views. They told her she was fighting racism, etc. She wasn’t doing that – most Americans do not belong to or follow such groups. She was convinced that removing the freedom of people who don’t think like you is a ‘good’ thing – moral.
        
        Someone with equal views, from the opposite perspective, or just frustrated past his personal tolerance level, ran her down with a car. He’ll never get over it either – his life is down the tubes as well.
        
        And the best you can do, the only significance this has for you, is to come out with stuff like:
        
        – don’t take it too seriously
        – you’re over-concerned
        – you’re over-excited
        – you’re too emphatic
        
        As I say, the Liberal/Left actually care nothing about no-one at all. In fact, they relish victims like her because they’re the ‘martyrs’ to the cause.
        
        How many dead does it take, Kimbo, before you consider it’s ‘serious’? Do you have a number?
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:58pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Anne Glen Eden
        
        A young woman is dead – forever – her life, her family etc. Not to mention the tension it’s going to generate all over the country.
        
        She’s dead because the Liberal/Left motivated her to get out there and stop other people expressing their views.
        
        …How many dead does it take, Kimbo, before you consider it’s ‘serious’? Do you have a number?
        
        Pfft. If you are going to do the “Jewish mother guilt routine”, at least get the facts right. As istricky said, no ideology killed her –
        a car did. And as the probable politics of the driver don’t suit your ideology, you are muddying the waters by accusing others of lacking empathy…when you are crying your own crocodile tears.
        
        Nice build-up and beginning on Kiwiblog, Anne Glen Eden, indeed I encouraged you when you first posted to do so more often. But like realitycheck/Kea, trolls just can’t help themselves…
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:25pm
      - Anne Glen Eden
        
        Like I said, Kimbo – really good argument. Not.
        
        Now caring about the dead and ruined is a ‘Jewish mother routine’. Was that a deliberate choice?
        
        Of course, when the Left do it – like when they over-reacted, got over-excited, overly serious, and far too emphatic – and sent her out there to die – it’s genuine ‘concern’, ’empathetic distress’, ‘driven by moral conscience’.
        
        When someone else objects outside of the tribe, on behalf of both sides – just human beings – I’m doing a ‘routine’ – and a Jewish one?
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:20pm
      - MCos
        
        “She’s dead because the Liberal/Left motivated her to get out there and stop other people expressing their views.”
        She’s dead because a Nazi sympathizer killed her by hiting her with a car he was driving.
        In case you haven’t caught up with the news here’s a report with a video
        http://abcnews.go.com/US/car-hits-crowd-protesters-white-nationalist-rally-virginia/story?id=49179590
        Here’s another one from Vice with more information about the guy charged with murder
        https://news.vice.com/story/charlottesville-attack-james-alex-field-jr
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:32pm
      - cha
        
        She’s dead because the Liberal/Left motivated her to get out there and stop other people expressing their views
        
        There’s another mob inciting their followers to us motor vehicles as weapons, too.
        
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        Months before a man allegedly turned his vehicle into a weapon and plowed through a group of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, an article that made the rounds in conservative media encouraged readers to do something similar.
        
        Originally published by The Daily Caller and later syndicated or aggregated by several other websites, including Fox Nation, an offshoot of Fox News’ website, it carried an unsubtle headline: “Here’s A Reel Of Cars Plowing Through Protesters Trying To Block The Road.” Embedded in the article was a minute-and-a-half long video showing one vehicle after another driving through demonstrations. The footage was set to a cover of Ludacris’ “Move Bitch.”
        
        […]
        
        “The item was inappropriate and we’ve taken it down. We regret posting it in January,” Noah Kotch, the editor-in-chief of Fox News Digital, said in a statement provided to CNNMoney.
        
        Within hours, the Daily Caller had deleted the original post. That version had been published by Mike Raust, who was then a video editor at The Daily Caller.
        
        […]
        
        Fox was far from the only outlet to pick up Raust’s post. Smaller conservative sites like Right Wing News and Conservative Post also published the video, and with glee.
        
        http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:39pm
      - itstricky
        
        Why very many thanks, Kimbo!
        
        (Yep, that one was on purpose)
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:16pm
      - MCos
        
        The ‘right’ is hardly an accurate description of the white supremacists who descended on Charlottesville.
        Check out the Vice video in this article if you haven’t already.
        https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/16/16155942/charlottesville-protests-nazis-vice
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:22pm
      - itstricky
        
        Not sure why I’m ‘muttering mantras’ Anne. I simply said a woman was killed by a man driving a car.
        
        In fact, your sentences include the phrases: total control, neurotic, self obsessed, fighting the fight and a bunch of stereotyping of people in groups followed by immediately blaming a stereotype group for the actions of one man who (supposedly) wasn’t with them. Not sure how that works.
        
        Can you explain further why I am the mantra mutterer?
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    Reports of paid activists for crowd scene in Charlotte NC.
    https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tfr/d/actors-and-photographers/6253305119.html
    
    I suspect the “liberal/left: are mentally unhinged and may now be manipulated to give vent to their latent violence.
    
    Keep the American disease out of NZ.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:39pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      I fear the disease is already here KevOB.
      
      To whit Bradford and her crew assaulting journos because they don’t virtue signal.
      
      I predict we’ll have “Not my PM” marches after Bill limps back to his Beehive office.
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:56pm
    - MCos
      
      The old “Reports of paid activists for crowd scene” accusations
      I’m still waiting for the money to come through for the anti apartheid marches I was supposed to get according to the pro tour people thirty six years ago.
      
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      August 17, 2017 3:02pm
- Gabby
  
  They could move Genn’l Lee to the cemetery and stick Sherman in his place. THAT’s how you impress the locals.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:13am
  - MH
    
    the car ?
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:04pm
- Fletch
  
  Does that also include Mount Rushmore which was designed by a member of the KKK? And what about statues of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington who were slave holders at one time? Where does it end?
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:43am
  - mikenmild
    
    You don’t see any difference between Washington and Jefferson, or any of the other slave-owning founders, and Lee, who rebelled against the democratic government to preserve the right to enslave black people?
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:01pm
  - MH
    
    and officers in the British Army having swore true allegiance to King and country.
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:06pm
hannity

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
With Joyce hiding Nationals latest polling data that has them in the 30s and plummeting .
A leadership challenge is now surely imminent .
I’m picking Adams, she at least has some integrity, when compared to Collins or Bennett.
Unfortunately , National can’t control the release of RM and Colmar polls .
Joyce and Farrar know once the voters get a sniff a landslide is on the cards.
National have even resorted to dragging out Sir cut and run again in one last futile toss of the dice.
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August 17, 2017 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  And you work for whom?
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:15am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Hannity – Yes I agree. National is on 31% according to my spies and Labour is on 42%. In the preferred PM Tooth Fairy is on 98% and Bill English is 2%.
  
  Thanks for pointing this out.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:18am
  - hannity
    
    Your numbers might be wrong , but you’ve got the mood for change, spot on.
    My pleasure SCS.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Oh dear. Hannity hasn’t twigged that SCS shows relentless positivity whilst taking the piss 😎
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:51am
- RF
  
  The contrast between the standard and Kiwi blog is so obvious and very refreshing.
  
  If the post from Hannity had been made over there criticising Labour there would have been a torrent of abuse from the man with the female name and a life ban.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:20am
- flipper
  
  Bollocks …. you are talking thru your arse……
  
  DPF does the Nats internal polling and he has NEVER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, EITHER REALEASED OR LEAKED THE RESULTS of his work.
  
  So Joyce is hiding what “hannity” (arsehole from Camp Bradford/Dann), and who gave what to him to hide ?????????????.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:32am
  - hannity
    
    Careful flipper you might inadvertently bruise yourself.
    DPF should just come clean and give you the bad news.
    How bad can it be ?
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:41am
- Gabby
  
  Bingles has a desperate plan to go shopping for Marmite wearing a beige safari suit. He’ll walk a bit, then walk, then walk again. Personally I think such audacity may be a step too far into populism and may alienate his support base. Vegemite could work.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:18am
RF

Steve Hansen will be choking on his Tim Tams now that Aaron Smith has been outed by his toilet tryst partner.

Hansen will not be impressed if it’s true that’s smith bull shitted him.

The once proud black jersey is now looking a dirty grey colour owing to the escapades of the players.

This must reflect on the captain.
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August 17, 2017 9:05am
- JibberJabber
  
  The aussie media getting some pay back for last years spy gate.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4787970/Shocking-messages-story-Black-sex-scandal.html
  It`ll take more than that to rattle the ABs off their game.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:29am
  - Prince
    
    Check the spelling in those tweets.
    Clearly, Aaron Smith is Gabby.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:31pm
    - Gabby
      
      Hey! I know how to spell daffydavid.
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:02pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I see Smith has been named to start on Saturday night, but with what has emerged over the last 24 hours, there’s almost certain to be a change.
  
  But it’s nothing to do with the captain, or the coach. The blame lies solely at the feet (and a metre or so above) of Aaron Smith. After all, Richie McCaw was the All Black captain when the dick pic of Smith went public in 2015. Smith has been very foolish, but bullshitting Hansen is probably the unforgivable sin.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Not to mention betraying his girlfriend .
    
    As to the other woman saying she’s not a hoe …….ho ho ho.
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:41am
    - Gabby
      
      She’s a lawyer. World of difference.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:07pm
- Gabby
  
  Was the captain in there too?
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:19am
- Swifty
  
  …sawn afterdavided…
  
  🙂
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:24am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I don’t care if Aaron Smith fucked a goat. How well does he play on the field is the only question that should be considered.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:26am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Rugby is a business as well as a sport. Fewer people are going to buy biscuits promoted by a guy who leads a team with a goat fucker in it.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:22pm
    - Kimbo
      
      From a purely business point of view, you don’t think having a Muslim in the team increases the possibility of enlarging the All Blacks profile in other untapped but growing markets with large Islamic communities, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, India?
      
      And I thought ACT were meant to be smart with money…
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:25pm
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Sorry I’m completely missing your point, other than the gratification of your seeming need to mention a party I was involved with nearly 10 years ago every time I post something.
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:45pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        NK, he is saying that Muslims are goat F*ckers
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:01pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …but if you want to go back to the days when the likes of the South African government used to tell us whom we couldn’t have in our team.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:29pm
    - GoVege
      
      But at least they don’t mutilate the goat first! 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2017 8:13pm
  - MH
    
    as long as he doesn’t put his balls under the hooker’s feetish.
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:13pm
Rich Prick

Tracy Watkins is doing the fawning today. Someone please pass the bucket.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95843248/jacinda-ardern-passes-the-dinner-party-test
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August 17, 2017 9:22am
- cmm
  
  They keep on banging on that the election is about personality vs policy.
  
  Most people they are targeting find policy very boring, so it is all then about personality right? Who passes the dinner test (what’s wrong with the bbq test). Who looks good in the Wimmins Weekness.
  
  But what they are forgetting is that most people really care about something they are not talking about: leadership.
  
  When there’s a GFC or an earthquake or whatever, you want a firm hand on the tiller. Someone who can make decisions and produce results under pressure.
  
  They can be as boring as all hell. It does not mattter.
  
  But they cannot be a person who makes teenager excuses for not doing stuff: “I don’t have her number.” FFS…
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:53am
  - sooty
    
    She relates to the young voter, after all she’s only 37yrs old!
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:18am
    - Gabby
      
      Bingles was born 37 years old.
      
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      August 17, 2017 6:49pm
- Inandout
  
  Jaciah, I fall at your feet, take me you beautiful creature, I throw caution and my investments to the wind. Your sound bites float through my head like a warm zephyr, I am smitten by your freshness and promises.
  
  Suddenly, I am awakened by reality in the form of an alarm clock.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:04am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s like Jonkey never left isn’t it inaknot.
    
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    August 17, 2017 10:21am
    - Inandout
      
      Grabby, keep your wandering hands to yourself.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:36pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Is that you Colon Craig?
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:19pm
- niggly
  
  What’s more interesting is that the vast majority of Stuff commentators aren’t buying into the Jacinda spin effect at all (well as of this morning anyway). What a total contrast from last week or so etc.
  
  Are everyday Stuff commentators now seeing through Jacinda Ardern’s hollowness eg new “soundbite” leader but still same old tax and spend incompetent Labour Party?
  
  Oh dear … is the honeymoon over?
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:15am
cas

I watched Kennedy Graham’s valedictory last night. It was thoughtful, and erudite and showed why he was a bad fit in the watermelon Party. Only 6 of the 13 other Green MPs were in the House which i thought was pretty disgusting.
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August 17, 2017 9:35am
- JibberJabber
  
  Those 6 will have been noticed, next in line to be purged.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:44am
- cmm
  
  Counter-revolutionary!
  
  These people are Stalinists.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:54am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I thought likewise cas. It is an absolute travesty that Graham, the Greens’ most intelligent and articulate MP was having to give a valedictory because he had effectively been pushed out by the feminist, anarchist, socialist fringe.
  
  The Greens should hang their heads in shame.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:55am
  - GoVege
    
    I’d love to vote for them because they have promised to establish a Minister of Animal Welfare .
    But there need to be incentives for people to work and not breed for the benny.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:12pm
    - KevOB
      
      Are you doing your bit to not depopulate NZ?
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:42pm
      - GoVege
        
        Depopulate?
        This country is empty bar the main centres!
        We need to import thousands of hard-working Asians, not pay druggies to have ten plus kids.
        (But the immigrants have to pledge to obey our laws and uphold the values of western civilization. )
        
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        August 17, 2017 1:01pm
  - RF
    
    Keeping Stock….
    
    Only a handful of Greens turned up to hear him.
    
    What a bunch of cowardly arse holes.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  cas : And it shows what a jumped up nasty prick James Shaw has turned out to be. I also think their are Green Members out there that might not vote because of Shaw and his attitude.
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:08am
  - KevOB
    
    Today in the House JS lauded an absent Metiria for championing child poverty.
    
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    August 17, 2017 6:07pm
kowtow

Listening to the media recently I was struck by their hatred for “white nationalists”. There’s even been strong opinions that “white nationalists” shouldn’t be allowed on radio or in other media.

But while the mediaand other leftists happily denigrate “white” nationalists , they actively promote black nationalists like Mandela (who had a terrorism conviction) , Irish Nationalists such as Adams and McGuinness (also terrorists) as well as Arab nationalists such as Arafat ,another terrorist.

If there ever was evidence of the media leading the culture war against the west ,this is it.
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August 17, 2017 10:11am
- UpandComer
  
  Everything the media says about ‘white nationalists’ is a projection of their own goals and aims
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:32am
- Nermal
  
  If being a “white nationalist” consists of being of European descent, and thinking NZ is a pretty good place and our way of life is worth defending, then yes, I am a white nationalist.
  The left may think my opinion is worthless, but unlike them, on September 23rd I will be getting out of bed, and I will be voting for someone other than the Greens, Labour, United, Maori, Mana or TOP.
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:36pm
  - mikenmild
    
    No, that’s not a white nationalist is…
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:42pm
    - Johnboy
      
      “No, that’s not a white nationalist is…”
      
      Sort of milkey like say “The Milkey Bar Kid” 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:44pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      No, white nationalists are like the Maori party but with white people. They’re filth.
      
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      August 17, 2017 3:11pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    I think your inoffensive definition of a white nationalist is quite incompatible with the definition offered by the alt-right Richard Spencer or our own Kyle Chapman, Nermal.
    
    You’re white, and you think NZ is a pretty good place with a pretty good way of life. But for white nationalists like Spencer and Chapman, societies like NZ are polluted by the presence of non-white races. Their idea of a good society is an ‘ethnonation’, where only members of one race lives. So they are white nationalists in a very literal sense – they want to create a nation populated only by whites. Hence Spencer has called for the US to be divided into several nations, each of which is home to a single race, and Chapman’s bumbling attempt to set up a whites-only state in North Canterbury.
    
    I have no problem with your version of white nationalism; I detest the white nationalism espoused by Spencer and the alt right.
    
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    August 17, 2017 3:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      Chapman is part-Maori, and has an interesting blot on his record concerning a Molotov cocktail and a marae down in Southland.
      
      He must be pissed off at his Maori genes.
      
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      August 17, 2017 4:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

Have a look at what the Greens think is a viable, affordable transport system for the upper North Island.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905667

And Genter thinks all this can be built for $400m.
Of course it goes without saying that no new roads will be built and existing ones will be left to decay.
Mad Greens. Another treason to…………
TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
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August 17, 2017 10:18am
- Gabby
  
  TULIXPU !!! !!! !!! !
  
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  August 17, 2017 10:23am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Treason? Freudian?
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:08am
- KevOB
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:44pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:58pm
EAD_TWO

Interesting tweet by Richard Dawkins:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/897789873205194752
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August 17, 2017 10:43am
- mikenmild
  
  What do you think it means, or are you just going to read it literally?
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:21am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Hi Milkmaid, I suppose then that the tens of millions of White Christian Russians slaughtered by racist Bolshevik Jews were equally to blame?
    
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    August 17, 2017 6:51pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Your man Trump is the one running the ‘equally to blame’ malarkey.
      Had any thoughts yet on how you modern national socialists would solve that pesky Jewish problem?
      
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      August 17, 2017 6:54pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        They could all go back to their ancient homeland in Khazaria/Turkey?
        
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        August 17, 2017 7:30pm
big bruv

I note with some dismay that it appears the great Australian lock forward John Eales has fallen on hard times. I say this because it appears that Mr Eales is about to front a TV programme which makes the laughable claim that the greatest regret of Mr Eales rugby life is turning his back on the highly embarrassing NZ rain dance.
This is, without doubt untrue. I can only assume that Eales needs the money so badly that he is forced to use his good name to promote such rubbish.
Actually, having said that he must be more desperate than I thought given that this programme (which will result in masturbation on an industrial scale by small minded, myopic fans of the NZ team) will only be shown in NZ. Clearly a programme of this sort has no commercial value anywhere else in the world. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, sometimes it is highly embarrassing being a Kiwi, even more so when we insist on telling never ending lies about the national rugby team.
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August 17, 2017 10:49am
- calendar girl
  
  I’m never “embarrassed” to be a ‘Kiwi’, even though plenty of fellow-citizens say or do things that I regard as obnoxious. (And no doubt they often disagree with me, too.) That’s just life.
  
  But we live here in a very fortunate part of the world, and I’m always grateful for the good fortune that – simply by chance – most of us have inherited.
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:04pm
- Johnboy
  
  Quite so bb. Even if I had the wonderful hand-eye co-ordination to have been a great sportsman I would have had to have turned down the opportunity.
  I can’t think of anything more degrading than having to do a spear dance in public and would have refused to do it hence making myself ineligible for a national team.
  When I used to watch Rugby on TV I always waited till the dance was over before watching. Now I don’t bother to watch it at all.
  Eales is obviously a sad bastard that is prepared to do anything for a few bucks.
  Only stupid folk would bother watching a trash TV program like this.
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:20pm
  - big bruv
    
    I wonder what would happen if a player refused to perform the rain dance?
    I have often thought the same thing when it comes to the NZ national bulrush team. They (the Bulrush players) are often dragged off to live in third world conditions on some horrendous marae before their annual shellacking at the hands of the Aussies yet very few of that NZ bulrush team are actually maori.
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:00pm
JasonJohns

The Confederate States of America still considers itself a sovereign state, occupied by the USA. They have an interim government, constitution, and citizens.
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August 17, 2017 11:02am
- UpandComer
  
  I agree. Every single founder of the United States AND the confederacy was a racist, slave-owning, sexist, cis-gender male. All of their statuary, recorded ideas, and images need to be immediately repudiated and destroyed.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:11am
JasonJohns

Our Mission is to restore righteous lawful government to the American People.

This is necessary because of the fraud, abuse and theft perpetrated by a for-profit corporate entity known as the UNITED STATES Government. This entity has been posing as the lawful government for nearly 150 years unawares to most Americans.
http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/
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August 17, 2017 11:04am
- UpandComer
  
  I agree. Civil forfeiture whereby the US government simply confiscates the possessions of tens of thousands of black people without due process on suspicion of items being the proceeds of illegal acts is fair and balanced. I also agree that Title XI needs to be expanded so that sex in College is simply made an illegal act altogether. In fact I think it’s high time that the first amendment was burned along with all the other cis-gender white male artifacts and books.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:14am
Andrei

How long will it be before they ban “Gone with the Wind” I wonder?
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August 17, 2017 11:08am
- Jack5
  
  Andrei, it’s interesting that some of the Confederate folk who left the United States after the Civil War came as far as New Zealand, and even Fiji.
  
  Someone can correct me, but I think Chris Laidlaw, the former All Black and diplomat who for years ran the Sunday morning show on Radio Labour (and much better than the present host), was a descendant of the South’s General Jackson.
  
  At least one British officer who volunteered and fought for the Confederates ended up in NZ. There has been publicity about this, but I don’t recall his name.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:37am
- mikenmild
  
  Who bans more books, the Russian or US government?
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:44am
  - Inandout
    
    US universities.
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:45pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Citation, please.
      
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      August 17, 2017 2:49pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “A high school in Alabama has the local community up in arms after the county school board banned conservative-leaning books from a voluntary, educational summer-reading list compiled by the school’s Government and Economics teacher”
        
        http://www.hannity.com/content/2017-06-23-tolerant-left-alabama-school-bans-books-by-reagan-coulter-levin/
        
        “Wisconsin school officials ban children’s books by Rush Limbaugh, label them ‘inappropriate’”
        
        http://conservativefiringline.com/wisconsin-school-officials-ban-childrens-books-rush-limbaugh-label-inappropriate/
        
        “Portland Schools Ban Books Questioning Climate Change”
        
        http://conservativefiringline.com/shut-america-portland-schools-ban-books-questioning-climate-change/
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:59pm
- Jack5
  
  Andrei, on Gone with the Wind, there is a precedent.
  
  Early American film maker D.W. Griffiths was long praised for his pioneering cinematographic techniques, but now he seems to be largely regarded as an artistic non-person.
  
  He made a film in which the heroes were members of the Ku Klux Klan, riding in to drive out the Yankee carpet baggers (who swept into the defeated regions to buy up assets at bargain prices).
  
  I think, perhaps to balance things, he then made a film called Tolerance about various international persecutions.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:49am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. Birth of a Nation (1915), the first Hollywood blockbuster, and the first movie to be shown in the Whitehouse:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:50am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, the movie and Woodrow Wilson’s endorsement of it largely led to the resurgence of the KKK which had almost disappeared by then. Wilson is reported to have said of the film (though some dispute it), “It is like writing history with lightning, and my only regret is that it is all so terribly true”.
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes he was born in Virginia 5 years before the Civil War, and was raised in the South when Reconstruction was in full swing.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    A song from Hoyt Axton (I don’t know whether he was a Southerner) but the number of views on Youtube shows a lot of Southerners must like it.
    
    https://youtu.be/f8ZA_8l3YVg
    
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    August 17, 2017 11:53am
    - Fletch
      
      I wonder how that affects The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, by The Band? Will they try and ban the playing of that, too?
      
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      August 17, 2017 12:15pm
      - Prince
        
        OMG. I have that song, sung by saint Joan Baez.
        So conflicted.
        
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        August 17, 2017 12:27pm
- Nermal
  
  I sat through the boring 4 hour movie on the rock hard seats of the Balclutha picture theatre back in the late sixties, and blame my hemorrhoids on that ordeal.
  
  “So, frankly, Andrei, I don’t give a damn”
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:53pm
GoVege

Do my eyes deceive me?
I thought I read last night that the grandma saddled with 4 pre-schoolers who chucked one down the hallway got convicted of MURDER?
A grandma deliberately killing her own grandchild. …that must be a first.
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August 17, 2017 11:16am
- GoVege
  
  Except of course for all those evil old Indian women who organize for their pregnant daughters-in-law to be burned to death in kitchen “accidents” so their sons can remarry for a bigger dowry.
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:49am
- GoVege
  
  I so hope this is not a repeat of the Kahui twins case…where caregivers struggling with several youngsters under 2 were NEVER informed that they were entitled to plenty of support looking after them.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:21pm
Scott Hamilton

‘some of the Confederate folk who left the United States after the Civil War came as far as New Zealand, and even Fiji’

After they lost to the Union more than a few Confederates fled to the Pacific, as well as Latin America. They set up as cotton farmers in Fiji, imported slave labour from the New Hebrides, and in the early 1870s formed a branch of the Ku Klux Klan there, which terrorised locals and helped destabilise the indigenous government, so that King Cokabau eventually asked the British for protection. In the 1870s and ’80s Queensland got the nickname ‘the new Louisiana’ because of the vast plantations worked by slave labour.

There were many veterans of both sides of the Civil War who settled in New Zealand. Some fought in the Waikato War and other local conflicts. Kendrick Smithyman spent his early years in a 1920s nursing home which his parents ran in Te Kopuru, and he remembered a couple of elderly residents who had fought on opposite sides of the Civil War. When they encountered each other in the hallway of the rest home they’d engage in sword fights with their canes…
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August 17, 2017 11:56am
- Kimbo
  
  Wow! Fascinating. Thanks, Scott Hamilton.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:00pm
Andrei

A Ted Turner effort soon to be banned
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August 17, 2017 11:59am
Manolo

Just before he flees to paradise on Earth.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuelas-maduro-makes-surprise-visit-cuba-150221717.html

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro paid tribute to the late leftist icon Fidel Castro during a surprise visit to Cuba, state media reported Wednesday.

Comrade Yoza was also spotted there.
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August 17, 2017 12:02pm
- RF
  
  Is it true that Comrade Jacinda also made an appearance. Sounds like her type of friends.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:45pm
Manolo

The attempts by the Left and its useful iditots to rewrite history go unabated:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-washington-park-protest-presidents-slave-owners/

A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.
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August 17, 2017 12:05pm
- Fletch
  
  When abortion is outlawed again (as I think it will eventually be) will Hollywood remove the names of the stars who spoke in favour of it from the Hollywood Walk of Fame?
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:11pm
  - GoVege
    
    Only if the pussy grabber gets a second term…which I doubt…
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:14pm
    - Inandout
      
      I really couldn’t imagine you grabbing a pussy.
      
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      August 17, 2017 2:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        I grabbed a pussy this very morning!
        I picked it up, cuddled it and squeezed it’s little furry toes, then chucked it out the door on my way to work….
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:26pm
- Scott Hamilton
  
  I was rather tickled by this tweet.
  
  ‘All these folks worried about erasing history when the Confederate statues come down will be thrilled to learn about the existence of books.’
  
  If Hitler or the Confederacy begin to disappear from museums and textbooks then it’ll be time to sound the alarm about the erasing of history. But there’s a difference between recording history and celebrating it with statuary.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:15pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Lol I’m sure they’ll be teaching all those books in schools.
    
    They aren’t going to stop at the public square – General Lee, Benjamin Franklin, Theodore Roosevelt, Frederich Schilling, Shakespeare, General Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Edison, James Watt, Archimedes, Marcus Aurelius, Thomas Aquinas, Alexander the Great – all were one or a combination of racist, sexist, slave-owners, anti-semites, exploiters of class and gender and race, gun-owners, greedy capitalists, and they all need to be expunged from the history books and their writings and work de-constructed and either eliminated or re-sublimated.
    
    Did you know about the strong connections between the rainbow movement and NAMBLA? neither did I – they were on VDARE – but now that’s been shut down by paypal and DDOSed out of existence by ‘Anonymous’.
    
    Did you know Google keeps blacklists of conservative employees and shares them with all the other companies in Silicon valley?
    
    Go and read what Wikipedia says about cultural marxism and compare it to infogalactic.
    
    Go and look at how Pinochet is taught in schools (if at all) and compare it to what actually happened in Chile.
    
    A statue of Lee isn’t a ‘celebration’ in the same sense that statues of the unknown soldier aren’t a ‘celebration’. Did you know Lee could have continued a guerrilla war for years and years but didn’t? Was the Yankee economy free entirely of slavery? Well, not for the indentured Irish in New York in the Five Points.
    
    It’s a matter of time before they come for Winston Churchill in England. Did you know per the Pedophile BBC that all kids are gender neutral, and actually in ancient Rome Briton was full of black people and muslims?
    
    Ghandi was pretty racist – guess we better behead all of his statues in India.
    
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    August 17, 2017 12:46pm
    - Scott Hamilton
      
      Shakespeare and the Greeks are about to sent down the memory hole, eh, UpandComer?
      
      Well, if there are sinister forces working to suppress writing about the history of West, then those forces are not doing a very good job. I spoke last night at the launch of a new book by Ted Jenner, one of NZ’s foremost scholars of Greek thought and the classical world. Ted has a furrowed brow and weak eyes, on account of having to read so much in an effort to keep up to speed with research on his subject. When he brought out a set of translations of the burial poems of the Orphic mystery cult a couple of years ago, the handful of poems were dwarfed by more than a hundred pages of footnotes and references to the scholarly literature.
      
      Conspiracy theories aren’t a very good guide to the state of play in the worlds of scholarship and publishing.
      
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      August 17, 2017 1:18pm
      - UpandComer
        
        This is New Zealand. We are very far up the convergence curve by comparison. Particularly after 9 years of National.
        
        Ah, so you have a friend who is a scholar of Greek thought and he got published, and that means cultural marxism doesn’t exist. Got it.
        
        I have friends right now in the Ivy League and working in Silicon Valley who are in the process of leaving or being forced to leave where they work, or who are feverishly having to delete any hint of conservative dalliance. That means ‘liking’ anything associated with anything Republican or anything criticizing any aspect of islam or diversity whatsoever.
        
        Why has there never been an official publication of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenitsyn?
        Why does diversity mean diversity of faces and uniformity of thought?
        
        Why is the Academy 95% liberal?
        
        New Zealand publishing on niche Greek philosophy isn’t a very good guide to the state of play in the world’s of scholarship and publishing.
        
        Better yet, try using as a litmus a medium that has access to a popular audience.
        
        See what happens if you put together a youtube video about how neo-platonic thought pervaded the thinking of the zionists and the one-worlders and how neo-platonic acolytes have done their best to destroy Aristotle.
        
        De-monetized
        Black-listed
        Doxxed
        Fired from job
        Deleted
        Called a Nazi.
        
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        August 17, 2017 2:17pm
- GoVege
  
  Well that’s bloody ridiculous!
  GW and the other presidents were the product of their time.
  In any case they were kind to their slaves.
  Jefferson even had a marriage with one of his and lots of children.
  Just very sad the all-white kids of his first marriage apparently kicked Sally and her kids all out of the house when he died.
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:20pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Check out how saintly Robert E Lee treated his slaves:
    
    When two of his slaves escaped and were recaptured, Lee either beat them himself or ordered the overseer to “lay it on well.” Wesley Norris, one of the slaves who was whipped, recalled that “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:54pm
  - KevOB
    
    No more immigrants from the USA. They are too deranged. Who here cares about a civil war there 150 years ago?
    
    If you revise the past generations expect to be revised yourself.
    
    Money no exception.
    
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    August 18, 2017 7:59am
- Jack5
  
  If the Confederate statues should come down in the southern states of the USA, on similar ground you might argue some NZ statues should come down.
  
  For example, Queen Victoria’s statues and the parks and institutions named for her. It was in Victoria’s reign that Indians were indentured to work in Fiji. Scott Hamilton may tell us whether this was slave labour.
  
  For example, Boer War memorials. They are pretty much to our dead in a war that was fought to protect or expand colonial expansion.
  
  For example, Dick Seddon’s statue outside Parliament. He was responsible for NZ annexing the Cook Islands, and was angry that Britain agreed to America annexing Hawaii.
  
  I suspect some pacifists would like war memorials taken away.
  
  Perhaps we should regard our old statues as we regard the memorabilia of Roman emperors. Who regards these as being support for the slavery of the times or for the emperors’ imperial atrocities?
  
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  August 17, 2017 2:05pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Context is everything, Jack.
    Some statues are hated symbols of oppression:
    – commie leaders in eastern Europe
    – the late president of Iraq
    – Jim Crow era adulation of rebels against democracy and freedom
    Didn’t Mark Twain write harsh thing about the colonial monument in Wanganui?
    But, given time, the surviving symbols of detested regimes will perhaps be more tolerated. Iconoclasm does seem to be a fairly widespread human expression of disgust and contempt, though.
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Time may be the key, Mikenmild.
      
      As for context, Spartacus remains a hero to many, thousands of years after he led a slave revolt. In comparatively recent times there have been a ballet and a film about him. In the Spanish Civil War there was a Spartacus Battalion of volunteers.
      
      Yet I don’t know of any memorial to Spartacus, while busts survive of Marcus Licinius Crassus, who crushed the rebellion. One bust of Crassus, a tough looking rooster, has an honoured spot – in the Louvre.
      
      It’s surprising that in posterity no memorial seems to have been erected to Spartacus’s final slave-soldiers, who were crucified by the thousand.
      
      As I recall, Mark Twain criticised a memorial erected to the Maori allies of the colonial government. Twain seemed to think it was wrong to honour them.
      
      If the memorial is still around, any protester thinking of removing it or defacing it should consider possible retribution from the descendants of these Maori.
      
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      August 17, 2017 3:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        And there was the far-left Sparticist Uprising in January 1919 that tried to take over post-Wilhelmine Germany. Any minute now EAD will be along at the reminder of (((Rosa Luxemburg))). sarc/
        
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        August 17, 2017 3:28pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    There is sometimes an alternative to either leaving a statue alone or taking it down. I read about a German city which had in its square a statue of a local boy who’d become an important colonial official in Namibia. But after it became widely known that this official had helped implement the genocide of the native Herero people – a genocide that some scholars have seen as a precedent for the ways Hitler treated the Jews of Europe – a large signboard was erected beside the sculpture, explaining the man’s role in history and the dark side of the German colonial project in southwest Africa.
    
    Another interesting case is the town in Tennessee that hosted the notorious Snopes ‘monkey’ trial back in the ’20s. The town has long had a statue memorialising the lawyer who persecuted a teacher for telling his students about the theory of evolution; recently, though, and over the protests of Christian fundamentalists, the old statue was complemented with a bust of the lawyer who defended the embattled teacher.
    
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    August 17, 2017 3:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      The attorneys in the Scopes Monkey Trial were Clarence Darrow and 3x losing Democratic Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan.
      
      But then nothing was as it seemed! :
      
      The trial was deliberately staged in order to attract publicity to the small town of Dayton, Tennessee, where it was held. Scopes was unsure whether he had ever actually taught some evolution, but he purposely incriminated himself so that the case could have a defendant.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial
      
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      August 17, 2017 3:49pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        Here’s an article about the new statue:
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/darrow-bryan-dayton-tennessee-scopes-statues.html?mcubz=1
        So both sides of the Snopes monkey trial are now standing in stone. And opponents of evolution in Dayton are outraged:
        
        ‘The opposition to the Darrow statue, which was installed Thursday morning, has been headed by June Griffin, 77, a repeat long-shot candidate for political office who was once lampooned by “The Daily Show” for her creationist beliefs. She was instrumental in arranging a July 1 anti-Darrow rally at the courthouse that included State Senator Mae Beavers, a Republican candidate for governor, and Larry Tomczak, a public policy adviser to the conservative Liberty Counsel. He described the gathering as a protest against the “ongoing attempt by secularists in America to blur or remove symbols reminding us of our Judeo-Christian heritage.”
        
        St Augustine might disagree with her literalist reading of the Bible…
        
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        August 17, 2017 3:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        St Augustine might disagree with her literalist reading of the Bible…
        
        He was a neo-platonist, btw. Really 😉
        
        What a strange country with their strange constitution, seemingly emboldening people of opposite – but extreme – stripes to object to various forms of freedom of speech, including those in bronze and marble!
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:02pm
Scott Hamilton

You’re welcome Kimbo. The guy who has done the most to research the KKK in the Pacific is African American scholar Gerald Horne, who has a chapter about the subject in his book The White Pacific. I talked a bit about Horne’s research in an interview with RNZ about the Pacific slave trade
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201825485/new-zealand-and-the-pacific-slave-trade

I notice that the Fiji Times ran an article about the KKK recently
http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?ref=archive&id=374859

There’s evidence that a group calling itself the KKK was active in Auckland in the 1920s, attacking non-white businesses. Eg https://t.co/dVVT29GIvi
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August 17, 2017 12:09pm
- Kimbo
  
  I talked a bit about Horne’s research in an interview with RNZ about the Pacific slave trade
  
  Is that what was known as “blackbirding”, or was that something else?
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:13pm
- RF
  
  Back in the mid 80s a group of young thugs calling themselves the KKK gang tried to start up in Timaru.
  
  After some adverse publicity concerning their cowardly actions they were quickly sorted out and disappeared.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:42pm
Scott Hamilton

The Confederates who set up in Fiji and Queensland paid sailors to get them labourers from Melanesia – mostly from the New Hebs and the Solomons. Often, especially in the 1870s, islanders were taken forcibly, and the term ‘blackbirding’ has come to stand for this. I think blackbirding was first used in Australia to refer to the taking of Aboriginal slaves to work as pearl divers in Broome. Both the pearl divers and the workers on cotton and sugar plantations had terrible death rates.
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August 17, 2017 12:25pm
- Jack5
  
  Presumably the trade in Melanesians to the Queensland sugar plantations is how that state eventually got some very good league players.
  
  And then there are the descendants of the Solomon Islanders shipped to Samoa.
  
  For those interested and who missed Oscar Kightley talking about the Melanesian Samoans (from whom he is descended), you can listen to him here:
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201853718/oscar-kightley-the-polynesian-melanesian-divide-is-ridiculous
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:59pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Yes, Mal Meninga is probably the most famous South Sea Islander, which is what the descendants of the indentured labourers from Melanesia in Australia call themselves. Jasmine Togo-Brisby is a SSI artist living in Wgtn who has an exhibition there at the moment. I reviewed a work she showed in Auckland last year, which featured skulls made from sugar:
    http://eyecontactsite.com/2016/10/the-delicious-smell-of-death
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:33pm
Fletch

Stefan Molyneux interviews Dinesh D’Souza who reasons quite succinctly as to why Fascism is actually part of the collectivist left wing ideologies (together with Marxism and Socialism), and actually not right wing at all. He also mentions how the Democrat party was linked to this ideology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrytSEyUoY
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August 17, 2017 12:44pm
- Gabby
  
  D’n’e’s’h’s a bit of a goebbels.
  
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  August 17, 2017 12:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Snort!
  Also known as Distort Da Newsa…
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:38pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/95867389/community-loses-battle-to-save-beach-havens-popular-play-boat-now-deemed-hazard

In the same picture:
* Water: Every year tens of people drown.
* Trees: Every year hundreds of kids get hurt falling out of them.
* Rocks: people slip on them and hurt themselves.
* Sand: Possible choking hazard.
* Concrete paths: people fall and skin their knees.
* Kids: Kids bite people.

But no, the boat that has been there for 40 years, causing no injuries, is the hazard and it must go.

Fuck the Nanny State! That’s what this election should really be about!
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August 17, 2017 1:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Almost as scary as nanny State is the fact that the journalist who wrote that story (likely a degree holder in Eng or journalism) doesn’t know the difference between to the verbs to bring and to buy.
  
  “The HMS Niagara was the boat that was thought to have bought the Spanish flu to New Zealand in 1918 because the ship was not quarantined.”
  
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  August 17, 2017 2:42pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Bastard. If only it had arrived in 1818. 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Not Her Majesty’s Ship, either.
    The Niagara was a steamer, later lost in the Hauraki Gulf to a German mine in 1941, while carrying eight tonnes of gold bars.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Niagara
    
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    August 17, 2017 2:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    This, from the NZ History web site, says the Niagara wasn’t to blame:
    
    … six people had died of the flu in Auckland in the three days before the Niagara arrived. And the great upsurge in severe cases in the city occurred two weeks later, well outside the 48-hour incubation period. No one knows exactly how or when the flu reached New Zealand, and the Niagara was only one of dozens of ships (many of them carrying returning soldiers and war invalids) to arrive from Europe and North America in October 1918.
    
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/the-niagaras-arrival-blamed-for-the-introduction-of-influenza
    
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    August 17, 2017 3:26pm
Johnboy

A small election ditty. With apologies to talking donkeys, mules and horse’s everywhere. 🙂

A horse is a horse of course of course
And no one would vote for a horse of course
Unless the horse of course of course
Is the famous Mrs Teeth

She came as a hack from the Labour pack
And stabbed poor old Andy in the back
He won’t be the last that gets the sack
From the famous Mrs Teeth

She chose as a mate a bro from the north
Cause he was a mate of the Brown Dwarf
She’ll squeeze their pair till they both do cough
Will the famous Mrs Teeth

She was a good mate of the Sausage Slug
Till the poor sad thing went down the plug
She’ll accept all her votes with just a shrug
Will the famous Mrs Teeth

She’ll give poor old Grant a proper shaft
She’ll stick it right up him unto the haft
She only needs real girls in the draft
To vote for Mrs Teeth

All the ladies think she’s great
Beside her no man could ever rate
Even the lesbians masturbate
For the famous Mrs Teeth
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August 17, 2017 1:17pm
- RF
  
  Johnboy.
  
  That’s worth 10 upticks
  
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  August 17, 2017 1:37pm
  - Johnboy
    
    How many deer did you get at Glenorchy old chap? 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 1:47pm
krazykiwi

Green maths:
1. A huge rail network with new tracks, upgraded rolling stock, platform infrastructure will only cost $400m (My guess… closer to $2b)

2. A high-speed train capable of 160km/hr will take 2.25hrs to travel from Auckland central to Hamilton. The AA travel time calculator shows 1.5hrs in a car today.

The Greens have a 1850’s vision for 2050’s New Zealand.
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August 17, 2017 1:23pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  To be fair I think the 2.25hrs relates to the ‘trial’ service using an old Silver Fern railcar, but it wasn’t very well explained.
  But you are correct on the money side of things. This Green wet dream will cost well north $2 billion, and there’s no mention of the cost of a ticket (or of the ongoing subsidy to bribe people to use it).
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:14pm
JibberJabber

A handy guide for Employers,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8

How to handle Millenials in the workplace.
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August 17, 2017 2:06pm
MH

has anyone noted that the up thumb up is Party Green for positive and labour red is negative. This must be brought to someone’s bias attention. Moderator !!! meds , jacket, a bit tighter this time… could I request the voice of Geoffrey Palmer reciting the Bill of rights at 5 decibels.
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August 17, 2017 2:22pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905895
  Apparently prisoners will not get to vote.
  The missing million? Not quite.
  
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  August 17, 2017 2:48pm
BananaLlama

Mikey the Iconoclast ….
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August 17, 2017 2:55pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Why has there never been an official publication of 200 years together by Alexander Solzhenitsyn?’

That book, which I haven’t read, has been published, but my understanding is that it has been criticised very severely because of various generalisation about Jews that historians have considered inaccurate and anti-semitic. Solzhenitsyn’s expose of the gulag system in the USSR has been rightly applauded, but some of his opinions, like his opposition to democracy and his support for a return to near-absolute monarchy, have also been criticised. I don’t see how you can equate criticism with suppression of Solzhenitsyn’s freedom of speech. Nobody’s banning his texts these days.
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August 17, 2017 3:21pm
- Jack5
  
  Are we in the West a bit narcissistic in thinking everyone in the world wants Western style democracy?
  
  I’m not sure, for example, that the Russians want it even now. Scott Hamilton raises the example of Solzhenitsyn.
  
  Here’s another. Alexander Zinoviev, a Russian fighter pilot in World War 2 and then a distinguished logician, wrote one of the great satires. The Yawning Heights roasted the Soviet Union and communism.
  
  Zinoviev was sacked from his university post, stripped of awards and hounded out of Russia.
  
  Yet, after the fall of the Soviet Union, Zinoviev turned against Perestroika.
  
  Wikipedia quotes Zinoviev saying in a 1991 interview:
  
  Once I was an unwitting accomplice of this action that I found shameful. The West wanted and programmed the Russian catastrophe. I read documents and participated in the research, which under the guise of ideological struggle worked towards the destruction of Russia. This became so unbearable for me that I could no longer stay in the camp of those who destroy my people and my country. The West is not a stranger to me, but I consider it an enemy empire.
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:47pm
- UpandComer
  
  There are only unofficial publications, the possession of which is anti-semitism under EU laws, and the communication of the contents of which is anti-semitism under EU laws – $1million fine, 20 years imprisonment. More, ironically, then for Rotherham child rape by the ‘Asian’ vibrants. Oh, and the female MP for Rotherham had to resign today after having the cheek to suggest England has a muslim rape gang problem – which of course it does, and it’s much worse even then the horrendous stuff publicized.
  
  There is no official English translation of the book. Therefore all unofficial copies can be criticised for ‘doctoring’ etc.
  
  How can anyone deduce if Solzhenitsyn did actually make generalizations that are inaccurate and anti-semitic, if mere possession of the book itself or communication of any of it’s contents are ruled inherently anti-semitic?
  
  If the Ashkenazi’s really did catalyse events killing 67 million white Christians between the start of the revolution and 1957…. well that’s a thing. Why would there be no official publication for a painstakingly written scholarly work by the author of the Gulag Archipelego? He was one of the greatest most accurate writers ever until he said the wrong things I guess.
  
  It’s a bit like Danny Niallah of Melbourne, being dragged through the courts for 5 years by the Islamic Council of Melbourne who argued that he couldn’t cite the Koran in court because merely reciting what it fucking says is ‘islamophobic’. He won, narrowly, in the Supreme Court, but only after they tried to ruin his life,
  
  Nope – you’re wrong. The censorship is real and disgusting and it needs to stop.
  
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  August 17, 2017 5:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Could you please list the people who have been imprison for twenty years or fined 1 million euros for possession of this book?
    Asking for a Nazi friend…
    
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    August 17, 2017 6:14pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Ok it wasn’t the EU – it was the United States!
      
      http://stepfeed.com/us-leaders-want-to-punish-people-who-boycott-israel-with-20-years-in-prison-9871
      
      It hasn’t passed yet I don’t think but it has overwhelming bipartisan support.
      
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      August 18, 2017 12:34am
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Well, I haven’t read Solzhenitsyn’s book, but according to wikipedia it ha been published, and has been translated in several languages, including English. No one has banned the book or criminalised anyone for reading. It’s simply that, like so many great writers – TS Eliot, Balzac, Dostoevsky – Solzhenitsyn was capable of being insightful about some things and not about others. Reviewers criticise him when he writes things they find unbalanced, like his nostalgia for Tsarist rule, and praise him when he writes thing they think justified. There’s no conspiracy involved.
    
    The notion that Jews were behind the Bolshevik revolution and are largely responsible for the crimes of Stalin is a venerable part of Nazi and neo-Nazi ideology, and is especially ludicrous given Stalin’s own virulent anti-semitism. It’s sad that people can fall for this stuff in 2017.
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:30pm
    - UpandComer
      
      I have read some criticisms – it does look like he exaggerated figures and ignored contradictory argument. So I’ll review my position accordingly. Thanks for noting those problems.
      
      Still, the IHRA definitions are much too broad. That’s my real issue. I just hate censorship, and also the attitude that everyone is equally culpable for these views, when everyone knows why the need for these laws has suddenly become a lot more urgent recently in Europe.
      https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdf
      
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      August 18, 2017 12:40am
Johnboy

Hallelujah folks. After clarification of Mrs Teeths shattering announcement on new taxes the price of staple foods will not rise.
Only filthy, unhealthy capitalist food prices will rise such as. Ice cream, cheese, wine and bread!
Let them eat cake never seemed to be more appropriate! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/95881293/food-prices-will-not-rise-under-labours-water-charge-after-details-released
1.5 kg apples $4.99 – no rise

4kg potatoes $9.99 – no rise

1.5kg onions $2.79 – no rise

1.5 kg carrots $2.79 – no rise

Bottle of wine $15.01 – rises 2 cents

Loaf of bread $3.50 – rises 3 cents

Milk 2 litres $3.95 – no rise

Cheese 1 kg $8.02 – 2 cent rise

Ice-cream 2 litre $12.07 – 5 cents rise
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August 17, 2017 3:37pm
- Ross12
  
  Have Labour announced the rate they will tax water?
  If so what is it ? If not, how can they give those figures for the price rises –has Clint got the dart board out ?
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:44pm
- Gabby
  
  They left out cabbages johnsboy. Significant? I think so.
  
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  August 17, 2017 6:37pm
Ross12

The NAFTA renegotiations have started.

The Foreign Minister for Canada , Chrystia Freeland gives her priorities :

“Through Ms. Freedlan’s leadership – Canada is focused on ensuring a “progressive trade agenda”. She is demanding a focus on LGBTQ, and specifically transgender rights in the trade deal, in addition to cultural sensitivity aspects, and climate change.”

You thought we had some nutters in NZ politics !!
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August 17, 2017 3:47pm
starboard

Finlayson giving away another 150 million to the special people. When does it ever end?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/95825223/maniapoto-agreement-in-principle-first-step-towards-settlement
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August 17, 2017 3:48pm
- Johnboy
  
  Once we’ve given it all back? 🙂
  
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  August 17, 2017 3:57pm
- Jack5
  
  There’s lot more rounds to come, Starboard.
  
  Until everyone in NZ is part-Maori and part-White and part-Asian and part-Islander.
  
  Then New Zealanders will be brown-mailing themselves.
  
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  August 17, 2017 4:17pm
Scott Hamilton

What a strange old sentence this is, UpandComer:

‘See what happens if you put together a youtube video about how neo-platonic thought pervaded the thinking of the zionists and the one-worlders and how neo-platonic acolytes have done their best to destroy Aristotle.’

It’s hard to know what to say without any information about this mysterious classical scholar who allegedly suffered the attention of a sinister Zionist conspiracy. Perhaps you could give us the details?
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August 17, 2017 3:50pm
- UpandComer
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/11/conservative-and-independent-youtube-channels-hit-by-censorship-and-demonetization/
  
  I get it, I get it – you’ll unironically say the Daily Caller itself is a hate-speech site that can’t be relied upon and itself needs to be censored. It’s just the most recent. They have the Anti-Defamation League, Southern Poverty Law Centre, Clinton Foundation and various other left NGO’s going through content, flagging it, and then having AI bots take the data to automate the censoring.
  
  Paul Joseph Watson had a video on Platonic vs Aristotleian societies and how they differed – using “The Republic” and Aristotle’s empirism and deductive thinking as exampled by the American pilgrims. It was a harsh critique of socialism, including of the abstract thinking behind Israel and the original Kibbutzism movements, and the Platonic overtones of communism. I can’t link the video anymore because it’s been deleted by You-Tube.
  
  The good thing is that in the long-run Google will destroy itself by favouring diversity over quality, and someone will create new and better crowd platforms.
  
  The bad thing is the censorship is going to inflame people in the United States who are already inflamed.
  
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  August 17, 2017 5:44pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Well, I don’t agree with censoring people unless they are actually inciting violence, but that Watson chap isn’t quite my idea of an authority on philosophy and classical Greece. Isn’t he one of the guys who believes that Jews and the Illuminati control the world and that 9/11 was an inside job?
    
    I think you should try reading some accredited scholars, like my mate Ted Jenner, if you want to get a handle on Greek philosophy.
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:22pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Even if he has said those things – there is a huge amount of illuminati and truther material on youtube. I don’t even like the guy much but he shouldn’t have been shut down.
      
      Of course he isn’t an authority but he’s a tertiary source to the material.
      
      There is no way of avoiding the truth that Google has selectively censored certain parts of youtube and left huge reams of questionable content in place.
      
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      August 18, 2017 12:43am
Johnboy

This could be a 500+ day/night! 🙂
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August 17, 2017 4:14pm
- stigie
  
  Only if you hang around JB and not get distracted from a call from Flossie ole chap..?
  
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  August 17, 2017 4:23pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I do have to watch Compo then Rigsby between 7:30 and 8:30 though stigie. 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 4:33pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Pete George has discovered the following recipe for global blog domination:
  
  Gate 1 – world watch (“For events, news, opinions and anything of interest from around the world”)
  
  Gate 2 – open forum (“This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you.”)
  
  Gate 3 – media watch (“Media Watch is a focus on New Zealand media, blogs and social media. You can post any items of interested related to media.”)
  
  Gate 4 – general chat (“Is there any way we could have a thread for the more lightweight stuff like music and general chat?” Try it here. Please no personal attacks or bickering. Anything abusive, provocative or inflammatory may be deleted.)
  
  4 gates every day must be confusing for the sheep who comment there. Pete really needs you to head over there and push the sheep through the correct gate old chap!
  
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  August 17, 2017 4:37pm
  - Johnboy
    
    What can I push them with? 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 4:38pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stick? Cattle prod? Anything within reach!
      
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      August 17, 2017 4:39pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ll use whatever’s the handiest object that I can almost grip with both hands Nostradamus. 🙂
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Johnboy:
        
        I’ll use whatever’s the handiest object that I can almost grip with both hands
        
        I don’t think Lucia will be appreciate being objectified like that!
        
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        August 17, 2017 4:53pm
      - stigie
        
        Seems JB is off Lucia’s Christmas list Nostra, whatever did the poor old sod do to her..?
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:07pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        whatever did the poor old sod do to her
        
        I wonder if the correct question is what didn’t he do? (Johnboy seems to be a glass half-full sort of guy…)
        
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        August 17, 2017 5:11pm
  - realityczech
    
    All Your NZ posts are open…no personal attacks or bickering. Anything abusive, provocative or inflammatory may be deleted…could have a thread for the more lightweight stuff like music and general chat?
    
    I bet he is fun at parties 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2017 5:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I went to general chat yesterday… thought I’d case the joint to see if I could use it as an online pick-up service….
    but I reckon there’s more talent here on KB.
    
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    August 17, 2017 5:49pm
    - realityczech
      
      What makes KB is the freedom of expression is greater than any of the other blogs.
      
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      August 17, 2017 5:50pm
      - KevOB
        
        And its tolerant.
        
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        August 18, 2017 8:08am
starboard

I wonder if they will roll English shortly…
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August 17, 2017 4:31pm
- Johnboy
  
  Which of our ladies has the biggest set of choppers starboard? 🙂
  
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  August 17, 2017 4:34pm
  - starboard
    
    Probably C Finlayson
    
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    August 17, 2017 4:49pm
    - Johnboy
      
      We do need a pretty lady with some sort of personality to combat Mrs Teeth.
      
      If of course it was single combat, to the death, we could use Paula or Judith. 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2017 4:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Pauline Hanson has just upset a few folk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/95893848/pauline-hanson-is-wearing-a-full-burqa-in-the-senate
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August 17, 2017 5:32pm
- realityczech
  
  No she hasn’t. They are just using her to virtue signal.
  
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  August 17, 2017 5:35pm
- GoVege
  
  Waddawoman!!
  When’s someone gonna do that here?
  And it doesn’t need to be a female…you can’t tell what’s underneath.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nostradamus

I finally got to dine at Dinner by Heston in Melbourne last week.

All Good… but some strong flavours…. might be a bit of a shock for some folks.
Can’t say that I was a fan of the Vegemite Icecream, though.. but the daughter lapped it up.
http://www.afr.com/lifestyle/food-and-wine/fine-dining/how-dinner-by-heston-blumenthal-invented-a-vegemite-dessert-20170116-gts6dh
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August 17, 2017 5:44pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Thanks for remembering our previous discussion about Dinner by Heston. I hope you didn’t need to pop into McDonald’s on the way home!
  
  From your article:
  
  Most recently, he introduced Cherry Isle Bar: Essentially a reimagining of our Cherry Ripe chocolate bar, it is chocolate mousse, coconut sponge, cherry jam and gel, and almond and bay-leaf ice-cream.
  
  That would make me a very happy camper!
  
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  August 17, 2017 5:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Cherry Isle Bar has been taken off the menu.
    
    We had 3 desserts – The Tipsy Cake, The Ice cream with Vegemite, and the Taffety Tart…
    Had to refuse the final course… The Icecream Cart …. bit overstuffed by that time.
    
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    August 17, 2017 6:11pm
Shawn Herles

Can we dare to hope?

“The Green Party has plummeted in the latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll to 4.3 per cent, leaving them below the five per cent threshold needed to return to Parliament.”

In the same poll National is on 44%, Labour 37% and NZF 10%.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-greens-plummet-below-five-per-cent-jacinda-effect-keeps-labour-climbing
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August 17, 2017 6:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

TV1 poll:
National 44
Labour 37
Winnie 10
Greens 4, Hahahaha
Preferred PM English and Cindy 30 each

It will all be down to the debates, where Cindy will be found wanting.
But in the meantime it proves the NZ voters are so flaky that facade trumps proven success every time.
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August 17, 2017 6:09pm
- KevOB
  
  I expect Jacinda to drop back a bit too. The dogs are still in their kennels. She has taken on a job which I doubt she is robust enough for. I’ve had my turn on the hustings and it rugged.
  
  Jacinda had on a a pale coloured loose fitting dress yesterday In Parliament which immediately brought to mind the dresses my wives have worn at early stage of pregnancy. My wife concurs with that. Such dresses are not trotted out without careful thought.
  
  Do we have another consideration now?
  
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  August 18, 2017 8:18am
nasska

A pity we don’t have one of our whining socialist trolls spinning this aspect of homelessness:

“25-year-old charged with kidnapping after hostage situation ends at Lower Hutt house” AND

“The pair were related and had been living at the Salvation Army owned Kings Crescent home for about a month before the hostage situation unfolded” AND

“Major Lee Edney, from Salvation Army, said the flats were “transitional housing” where people facing homelessness are housed and given additional support and assistance to find suitable long-term accommodation. The two women were residents of the property and were being helped with transitional housing , Edney said.

The 25-year-old woman has been charged with kidnapping, threatening to kill and possession of an offensive weapon.

She is due to appear in the Hutt Valley District Court tomorrow”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95861003

This is the sort of human flotsam & jetsam that we are supposed to worry about housing. Unlined shipping containers are too good for them.
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August 17, 2017 6:18pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Mikenmild gave us a first-hand report earlier today. But good news, there’s an election coming up, and some newly-unemployed MPs may no longer require Wellington housing. (As if… new troughers will be on hand to replace them.)
  
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  August 17, 2017 6:28pm
- Gabby
  
  I’m not sure that’s the best treatment for mental illness nassty. It worked for you I take it.
  
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  August 17, 2017 6:29pm
  - nasska
    
    I reckon we can safely discount mental illness. If it were the case some other bleeding heart wanker would have been all over the story hours back.
    
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    August 17, 2017 6:37pm
    - Gabby
      
      Were you the first bleeding heart wanker all over it nassty?
      
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      August 17, 2017 7:50pm
Manolo

Hanson entered the Australian Senate dressed as a primitive:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40957255

The leader of Australia’s far-right One Nation party has worn a burka on the floor of the nation’s Senate.

Pauline Hanson walked into the chamber and sat down ahead of her party’s bid to ban the garment in Australia.
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August 17, 2017 6:29pm
- GoVege
  
  The attorney general accused her of ridiculing half a million Muslims…how?
  Another MP claimed Muslims wear the burqa for their faith.
  If that’s so, then how come the men don’t wear it too, or something very like it?
  They make their women wear this get-up so no other blokes get to look at their property.
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Australian Labor and Green Politicians know damn well that burqa-clad females are required to sit in separate areas of the public gallery.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/02/parliamentary-burqa-rules-send-signal-of-intolerance-to-australian-public
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:53pm
Odakyu-sen

Dinner will be served shortly.
I miss these guys… (the yakitori-ya in Auckland leave much to be desired.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkhpsMvcjuY
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August 17, 2017 6:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Odakyu-sen:
  
  the yakitori-ya in Auckland leave much to be desired
  
  There’s plenty of other over-priced eateries that could help you to burn a hole in your pocket.
  
  Just out of interest, have you ever visited Syndey and eaten at Tetsuya’s? By all accounts, the food’s fantastic, but it comes at a price and I’m told you may still go home feeling slightly hungry.
  
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  August 17, 2017 6:59pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I have heard of Tetsuya’s. (I generally prefer to eat Japanese food in Japan.)
    These big-name Japanese restaurants outside of Japan are also outside of my budget. Remember, I get paid in yen and the Japanese economy has been in the doldrums since the early 1990s.
    …sigh…
    Still, I can’t complain. Life is good.
    
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    August 17, 2017 7:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Have you tried Ebisu (Quay St -Auckland)?
      (Modern Japanese)
      
      One of the best restaurants I’ve ever eaten at.
      Their burnt cabbage was brilliant.
      
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      August 17, 2017 7:45pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        Their burnt cabbage was brilliant.
        
        How did it compare to burnt cabbage at home? Slightly more gourmet, would you say?
        
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        August 17, 2017 7:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Nostradamus
        
        never been able to replicate it…
        must be something to do with burning the cabbage over a charcoal grill as well as the soy/mirin/???? kombu powder secret formula.
        
        (I do have a particular affection for Cabbage – raw, stewed, pickled, roasted, stuffed)
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:00pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Was it anything like this? (Probably not.)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPNcMBG5S8
        
        (This is not just cabbage, but other stuff from Osaka.)
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:25pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I know that place. I should try it out some time…
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not chopped/sliced cabbage on a grill plate…
        
        whole leaves , flavoured and burnt over a ?charcoal grill (doubt that they were oven baked).
        
        The dish sort of resembled these kale chips (but it was napa cabbage leaves)
        https://thedolcediet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/kalechips.jpg
        
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        August 17, 2017 8:56pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        Is it on their current lunch or dinner menu?
        
        I see Shredded Cabbage Salad w/ sesame dressing** – not sure that’s the dish you’re referring to. Maybe it’s been taken off the menu.
        
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        August 17, 2017 9:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Damn Nostradamus…. it’s not there.
        It was on the Dinner menu and just called Burnt cabbage.
        Maybe I was the only person who ever ordered it.
        (It was about 3 years ago)
        Now I’d go for the Salmon on the lunch menu – comes with grilled broccolini….. n’yum,n’yum
        
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        August 17, 2017 9:39pm
big bruv

I’m loving the fact that Aaron Smith is in the shit again over his toilet shag. He deserves everything that comes his way.
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August 17, 2017 7:11pm
- renderer
  
  Everyone makes mistakes
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:34pm
- Jack5
  
  Why is it such big news when promiscuity is the order of the day?
  
  Is it the fact that Smith used airport toilets for the knee-trembler with the girl friend?
  
  Is it because All Blacks are not supposed to be shagging all over the place?
  
  Is it because the media found out another gossipy, salacious detail?
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:40pm
Manolo

Disenchantment and disillusion in France: Vacuous Macron neither performs nor delivers.
http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/esteri/13218543/macron-francia-finita-luna-miele-100-giorni-sondaggi-crisi-autunno-riforma-lavoro-austerita.html
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August 17, 2017 7:12pm
Jack5

An attack in the Telegraph on the craze for higher education, with all the debt that brings… The author is Nick Timothy, former joint Downing Street chief of staff to Prime Minister Theresa May. An extract:

… Ministers have argued for years that more people with degrees means more economic growth: we need, therefore, more graduates.

But the evidence suggests they are wrong. There has been no improvement in Britain’s productivity as graduate numbers have increased. Many graduates work in non-graduate jobs, and many earn no more than if they had not gone to university at all. Certain degree subjects offer no return on investment, while studies show there are entire universities where average graduate earnings 10 years after study are less than those of non-graduates.

Tuition fees were supposed to make university funding fairer for the taxpayer, but more than three quarters of graduates will never pay back their debts. The Office for Budget Responsibility calculates that student loans will add 11.1 per cent of GDP to the national debt by the late 2030s.

We have created an unsustainable and ultimately pointless Ponzi scheme, and young people know it.

Time for NZ, too, to review tertiary education.
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August 17, 2017 7:33pm
Nostradamus

Rapid rail network would merge North Island economies into a single powerhouse

A $1.45 billion rapid rail network could connect the country’s “Golden Triangle” of Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga via a two-hour trip, transport lobby group Greater Auckland says.

Thank goodness they didn’t describe it as a “Golden Shower” of taxpayer money.

The final stage of Regional Rapid Rail would improve journey times, service levels and extend the network to other towns and cities in the upper North Island. This would include Rotorua, Cambridge and Te Puke, bringing the total cost up to $1.45b.
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The third stage would reduce travel times between Auckland and Hamilton to just over an hour, and to two hours between Auckland and Tauranga. About 6 million passengers would use the services each year, and its operating profit would be at least $10m a year.

Right – who believes this?
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August 17, 2017 7:43pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Can you advise what hallucinogenic substance the prat was on who suggested stretching rail from Hautapu to Cambridge. Then to top that they said stretch it from Putaruru to Rotorua! I enjoyed the touristy rail trip from Mamaku to Tarukenga. Apparently they will extend it to Ngatira. I hope so.
  But, the new inland container port at Tokoroa is brilliant, and bugger all taxpayer funds are needed to get it going.
  
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  August 17, 2017 8:28pm
Nostradamus

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe at The Standard, they’ve having a deep and insightful discussion about the 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll. DoublePlusGood has an interesting suggestion:

Intelligent Labour, TOP and New Zealand First people should just vote for the Greens anyway, as they have better policies and better candidates.

2 responses to DoublePlusGood:

Draco T Bastard: +111

Bearded Git: +1000

WTF is this “+111” and “+1000” nonsense? Don’t they have anything more intelligent to contribute?
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August 17, 2017 7:56pm
- niggly
  
  Lol those funnily named knobs, they sell themselves short – why didn’t they say:
  
  “+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000”, or:
  
  “+849446970930370105234”.
  
  Sheesh, why not, same loopy-leftie OTT outcome 😉
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:20pm
nasska

….” Don’t they have anything more intelligent to contribute?”…..

No.
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August 17, 2017 8:02pm
Rachael Membery

I see Aunty Helen is back from overseas and going to be interviewed.
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August 17, 2017 9:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Rachael:
  
  Do you have a link?
  
  And will Helen catch up with Peter before or after the interview – or is she too busy?
  
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  August 17, 2017 9:12pm
  - niggly
    
    No time for Peter sorry, Hel’s already got a full schedule. Take for instance the other day, spent it with Jacinda in hiding so she could have Jacinda practising and practising what to say confidently in the media stand-up later that afternoon about the links between Australian Labor and Hipkins being exposed!
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:26pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    It was mentioned on 7 Sharp
    
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    August 17, 2017 9:31pm
Jack5

Has Kyle Chapman, the NZ right wing activist, moved to the United States, or has he a name-fellow, namesake, name doppelganger (take your pick for a description of two people carrying the same name) in America?

I read this in the Guardian a few minutes ago, in a report about right-wing groups in America:

Meanwhile, in 2017, a so-called street-fighting organization called the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights (Foak) was formed by the California reactionary Kyle Chapman, who called the outfit a partner and “tactical defensive arm” of the Proud Boys. A core mission is to attend white nationalist, radical patriot or pro-Trump speaking events or rallies, sometimes carrying clubs and shields, and battling anti-fascist activists trying to protest or prevent racist speeches.

“We don’t fear the fight, we are the fight,” Chapman proclaimed in a post announcing the formation of Foak.
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August 17, 2017 11:20pm
- Jack5
  
  Just found a pic of the American Kyle Chapman (link below). There are two Kyle Chapmans, one in NZ and the other in California.
  
  It’s a bit unusual that there are two quite extreme-right activists with the same name.
  
  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/meet-the-based-stickman-173908
  
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  August 17, 2017 11:28pm
Manolo

The warrior gene strikes again:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/cole-miller-one-punch-death-australian-border-force-takes-daniel-maxwell-into-custody/ar-AAqfszx?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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August 18, 2017 5:47am
Manolo

More Islamic lone wolves at large?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4266076/chilling-barcelona-terror-attack-video-shows-horrific-trail-of-destruction-with-bloodied-bodies-of-women-and-kids-strewn-across-la-ramblas/
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August 18, 2017 5:48am
- Inandout
  
  Pauline Hansen’s burka stunt must have infuriated the Muslims. It is firstly Trump’s fault, followed closely by Hansen for this latest van terrorism.
  
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