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BassilFawlty

Good morning all, no global warming or house alarming as a first post today hopefully.
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August 16, 2017 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Had some warmth yesterday… 19degC; but its only 9C now and overcast.
  Roll on summer.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:09am
  - pdm
    
    Hastings has been in the 19-21 range since Saturday if you can believe TV1 readings.
    
    It has certainly been unseasonably warm – pleasant and continuing today..
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Cold, grey and pouring with rain here in the Waikato.
      Send us some sunshine please.
      
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      August 16, 2017 9:59am
Left Right and Centre

(1) Sikh and ye shall find them carrying knives soon legally.

(2) If you don’t have a Maori word for all the different shades of human – don’t farking use them at all.
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August 16, 2017 8:10am
Albert_Ross

Could somebody please set out – in the factual, unbiased sort of way that we wish journalists would use – exactly what was the story about Bill English and the housing allowance claim?

I see it cited as establishing some sort of moral equivalence between the PM and Metiria Turei, but not knowing the whole story (as a relative newcomer to NZ) can’t judge the merit of that argument.
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August 16, 2017 8:12am
- Kabull
  
  Albert
  The most authoritative background is this report by the Auditor General : http://www.oag.govt.nz/2009/ministerial-accommodation-entitlements
  
  Here is a press summary: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3008352/Bill-English-off-housing-hook
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:17am
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  Bill English claimed a housing allowance for his property in Clutha as his main residence when he was living with his family in Wellington.
  MP’s are entitled to claim this allowance under certain circumstances.
  BE was given advice that he met these circumstances.
  Turns out he didnt meet them. This was established by an audit. The same audit said he was misinformed and did not do it on purpose.
  BE was entitled to claim an allowance but not this one.
  BE paid back in full the total amount claimed without being asked to.
  BE has never claimed the allowance he was entitled to since.
  
  That is my understanding of the situation.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:56am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Thank you Kleva and Kabull 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:02am
  - softail 1450
    
    wasn’t he claiming for a house in Wellington when he actually owned one there ?
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:26pm
    - itstricky
      
      It doesn’t take a genius to understand the rules, what was being claimed and why it was incorrect to claim. Even if it was within the rules, it would be morally incorrect to claim a large sum of public money.
      
      In that regard, Kleva’s summary may be correct but is disingenuous to suggest BE was just the “victim” of wrong advice.
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:48pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I hired a lawyer who told me that taking home large quantities of office supplies doesn’t count as theft so longs as I bring them back if it gets noticed.
        
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        August 16, 2017 12:51pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Come on be honest.
        He actually said it’s fine because this was accepted practice in the public service.
        
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        August 16, 2017 12:57pm
  - Gabby
    
    paid back in full the total amount?
    Sure about that?
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:55pm
    - Paulus
      
      YES ! he paid back the full $32,500 without question.
      
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      August 16, 2017 1:55pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Now now Kleva you cant be going around saying things like that after all the left have so much invested in the little lie that he ripped off the system as you can tell by the 5 flying squirrels above that & the Paula Bennett lie about her benefit it goes to prove that if you repeat a lie enough there will always be enough muppets to spread their bullshit in fact i believe that is Labours entire election campaign summed up
    
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    August 16, 2017 2:03pm
Simon

Is there a bigger nonentity in NZ politics than James Shaw? Shaw is what happens when the token is left to run things.

( Turay had been wearing the trousers but she has badly split them. Not much good for Shaw now )

Shaw got the job as an empty suit which is fine for the female green sjw and their safe spaces.

But Shaw vs Morgan? Forget it
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August 16, 2017 8:20am
- itstricky
  
  Turay had been wearing the trousers but she has badly split them
  
  Keeping Stock! You walked right past it. Luckily, I’ve highlighted it for you so you’ll see it next time.
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:18am
  - holysheet
    
    Hooray Turay?
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:23am
tvb

The rift with Australia caused by one of her MPs is showing her inexperience. She has gone to ground but so has Hipkins. We are in the big time now and we need too see what Arden is made of if she wants to be PM. She is vulnerable to the argument that she’s is too inexperienced and we are starting to see that.
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August 16, 2017 8:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so tvb. Her honeymoon as leader has been a brief one. Welcome to the real world Ms Ardern.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:25am
  - cmm
    
    There is an adjective that was invented long ago, waiting for the perfect subject to arrive.
    
    This word has waited long, but eventually Cindy arrived.
    
    The word is vacuous.
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:59am
- chris
  
  Here’s my comment regarding exactly this on the other thread:
  
  So according to the lefties on here, it’s a case of ‘nothing to see here, move along please’.
  
  If it’s a thing of such minor insignificance, then why didn’t Ms Ardern front at RNZ for her scheduled interview?
  
  If she can’t handle questions over nothing, how on earth can she expect to handle the really hard questions she would get as PM?
  
  We already know from her women’s magazine interviews that she can’t handle stress and suffers panic attacks. Will she even last until the election?
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    We know that Cinderella has taken Mike Monroe on board to guide her.
    He was Helen’s mentor also from whose suggestion he joined the very inexperienced Cindy.
    He should have suggested she STFU as Hipkins has embarrassed everyone.
    Key would have silently assassinated him by this morning.
    Great goodwill between New Zealand and Australia has been left dangling.
    Silly boy !
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘then why didn’t Ms Ardern front at RNZ for her scheduled interview?’
    
    I’ve just had a listen to their 10 am propaganda broadcast and there was no mention of Cinders being missing in action, there was an irrellevant item on Trump (surprise surprise)
    
    Why Trump and not Ardern?
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:06am
    - waikatogirl
      
      According to the media Trump’s the Big Bad Wolf.
      Does that make Cindy Little Red Riding Hood? ?
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:42am
    - cmm
      
      “Why Trump and not Ardern?”
      
      It is called a squirrelbomb.
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:01pm
- VicParking
  
  The failing newspaper can’t bring itself to speal ill of the tooth fairy. Their head line “Barry Soper: Jacinda Ardern has a John Key moment” has to swing it against John Key ( who is JohnKey?).
  To say they did not discuss who the question was refering to is “Bull Crap”. All of the players worked in the same office for Ms Clark and are good friends. The MSM will bury this story as Shit does not stick on fairy wings.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  Cindy has gone into hiding. Bugger me, if she can’t handle this, what use would she be in a real crisis?
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:36am
  - oldgolfer
    
    What use is she when there not a real crisis?
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:53am
    - Rich Prick
      
      ~~She fills the pages of women’s magazines~~, ~~has a nice smile~~, ~~is positive~~, ~~excites Patrick Gower~~ … oh, I don’t know. Was that a trick question?
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:43am
kowtow

If you own a pet that you allow to wander ,then you accept the responsibility for the consequences.
Is there no end to the amount of work and expense that ratepayers/ taxpayers must go to so everyone ‘s feelings and emotions can be assuaged ?
“Dunedin student Chelsea Evans weeps when she thinks about never being able to say goodbye to her cat Patrick, who was dumped by Dunedin City Council contractors.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dumping-cat-shocks-owner
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August 16, 2017 8:24am
- Longknives
  
  She didn’t have either a collar or a chip on her Cat.
  End of Story..
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:34am
  - jcuk
    
    Cats being climbing animals should not have collars …I had a neighbour [ unknown] who twice added a collar to my mistress before getting the message.
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:08am
    - Longknives
      
      Kinky..
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:25am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Thanks for posting that as I got my best laugh of the week reading about her dramatics.
  As for the council bagging the cats and putting them in the freezer well that is standard practice in my local region except they sub contract the job to Mr Chen from the Lucky Dragon Takeaway.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:02am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Oi, you nearly made me snort out loud at that comment
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:04am
Huevon

If it was a National MP in NZ colluding to bring down a Labor government in Australia we would never hear the end of it, mass protests, Hager book, etc, the whole 9 yards. But it’s different when the Left do it…
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August 16, 2017 8:24am
- PhilBest
  
  I agree, but as I am saying on the other thread, I am not going to defend bumbling incompetence, hubris and hissy fits just because it is “our side” or “our friends” doing it. The Aussie Liberals look very, very stupid over all this. They are the ones who made the bed on this issue in the first place, now they have to lie in it. Furthermore they are just grasping at every opportunity to make it look like a conspiracy just because some MP in NZ asked a parliamentary question about it, which was unnecessary to prove whether it was in NZ law or not. Kiwibloggers were finding the relevant words in old statutes entirely unaided, just yesterday.
  
  I am not impressed with our Aussie friends now playing schoolyard bullies on something that is their own stupid fault. I am not a Labour supporter and don’t want them in government, but I actually feel sorry for Jacinda over this particular incident.
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:56am
SteveRemmington

Arise Sir John.
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August 16, 2017 8:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  JK was on TV3 this morning. He is being knighted at Govt House today. John and Lady Bronagh are then flying to London and onto Croatia to join friends on a “gin palace” to float down the rivers.
  Congrats to Sir John and Lady Bronagh for the knighthood.
  Jerry Brownlee told John that he had more bling than a Nigerian king.
  
  JK believes National will win the election.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Interesting outcomes: JK rides down the river in the sunshine, his compatriot and pretender to the throne, clocks in at 8.00 to build another Fonterra . . . .
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:51am
  - gravedodger
    
    Sorry to be pedantic Wg, Sir John’s missus is Bronagh Lady Key.
    Had Bronagh been elevated she would be Dame Bronagh Key and JK would have remained plain Mister Key.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:56am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Oops gravedodger, you are correct. However, JK this morning said “the nicest thing about being given the knighthood was for Lady Bronagh, as she deserved it.”
      
      Bronagh acted like a lady all during her husband’s time as PM, not one foot wrong. I will go with lax etiquette as who really cares.
      Congrats again to Sir John & Lady Bronagh.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:43am
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s not gravedoger’s fault that neither you nor John Key can get it correct:
        It’s Sir John and Lady Key.
        
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        August 16, 2017 12:16pm
    - Paulus
      
      No, no longer appropriate The Queen gave permission some years go that then titles could be changed.
      Lady Pippa Blake as an early example.
      She is Lady Bronagh Key, so there sniveller.
      
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      August 16, 2017 1:59pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Headline JK supports Jacinda as Labour leader lol.
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:41am
  - softail 1450
    
    W GIRL,,,I’m as right wing as anybody on this blog but find the uncontrolled arse kissing that goes on by some contributors over John key nauseating,
    some of you will be wondering if he can walk on bloody water…….
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:36pm
    - VicParking
      
      I understanding he is walking the length of the Danube, Dame Key on the Bank and Sir John in the middle of the river. Good on him and I wish him well. Lady Bronagh was 100% better than Ms Clarks partner.
      
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      August 16, 2017 2:52pm
      - softail 1450
        
        can’t argue with that ….
        
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        August 16, 2017 6:25pm
krazykiwi

BBC are about to run a doco on a gender neutrality experiment at a UK school. The instigator of this experiment, a Dr Javid believes “that boys’ and girls’ brains are almost identical”.

Wrong: In the new study, a team of researchers led by psychologist Stuart Ritchie, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Edinburgh, turned to data from UK Biobank, an ongoing, long-term biomedical study of people living in the United Kingdom with 500,000 enrollees.

Adjusting for age, on average, they found that women tended to have significantly thicker cortices than men. Thicker cortices have been associated with higher scores on a variety of cognitive and general intelligence tests.

Meanwhile, men had higher brain volumes than women in every subcortical region they looked at, including the hippocampus (which plays broad roles in memory and spatial awareness), the amygdala (emotions, memory, and decision-making), striatum (learning, inhibition, and reward-processing), and thalamus (processing and relaying sensory information to other parts of the brain).

So, one chap has a hunch that kids brains are identical, while a scientific study of 5000 brains shows otherwise.

When it was suggested this experiment might harm the children involved Dr Javid responded with, and I paraphrase, “Trust me. I’m a Dr, and this is the BBC”.
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August 16, 2017 8:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How did Dr. Javid get this past the ethics committee?
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    Do you really mean to ask, how did Dr Ritchie and his research team get their factual study past the “ethics” committees and editors and grant committees in this PC era….?
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:58am
  - PhilBest
    
    Neuroscience has been on a collision course with P.C. for years already, what surprises me is that the vast global cultural-marxist conspiracy hasn’t yet managed to shut out all the honest neuroscientists as “deniers”.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:01am
kowtow

This is the problem with the outrage industry , they are so extreme. For goodness sake the hotel was popular with Jews because it was so accomodating ,and one slip up causes such outrage they want it closed ? Ridiculous.

‘On Tuesday the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which confronts anti-Semitism and promotes human rights, published a letter asking Switzerland to “close [the] hotel of hate and penalise its management”.’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/15/swiss-hotel-accused-of-antisemitism-over-pool-warning
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August 16, 2017 8:32am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  No hotel in its right mind would want to upset guests in such a way. You would have to confirm that the Swiss hotel responsible for the sign had sufficient English-native-speaker levels of awareness of the relationship between the words “Jewish” and “showers.”
  It is possible that if the sign was written by a 20-something English speaker with no knowledge what happened 70 years ago and they might not have been aware of the historical association. In addition, this association might not be so well known in Switzerland (I am just guessing).
  The hotel will have all the paperwork for the commissioning of the sign, and will be aware of who wrote it and who signed it off.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:49am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I’m outraged Jews were even allowed in the pool and kitchen! Where I come from that would never fly at any decent hotel!
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:55am
- EAD_TWO
  
  The faux outrage over something must be striking to behold for Normies. Contrast with what has been said about “Whites” over the past few days..
  
  As Voltaire would say:
  
  “To learn who rules over, simply find who your not allowed to ~~criticise~~ discuss”
  
  Article by Shawn Herles hero – Douglas Murray on the Journalist fired for merely mentioning Jews:
  
  https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/kevin-myers-eager-critics-should-feel-ashamed-of-themselves/
  
  More from Irish Savant:
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/08/grovelling-and-recantations-all-to-no.html?m=0
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:21am
- Gabby
  
  Dodgy excuse making. Why single out jewish guests? Do they need to shower more?
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:04pm
- Gabby
  
  Tsipi Holovety is a hoot but. ‘antisemitic act OF THE WORST AND UGLIEST KIND.’ I guess he’s a young ‘un.
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:13pm
Manolo

Just right:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-15-16-16-22

President Trump says the ‘alt-left’ bears some responsibility for violence in Charlottesville, ‘nobody wants to say that.’
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August 16, 2017 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  Wrong…… The left are all sweet loving people with high morals that drive them to speak out against ill were ever they find it. They do not wish to stand out in a crowd so they cover their faces with masks, quiet heros and feel bad about having to defend themselves from the Nazi, White rasists with shields, sticks and pepper spray. They are confident that the police and the Democratic politicans will support them in their cause as they are wise and caring people. The cause will be long and hard but they are confident they will soon stand in the rubble of the White House.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:51am
  - kowtow
    
    George Washington was a slave owner.
    In the interests of consistency from the so called anti fa mob I expect to see a Washington must fall campaign , followed by the renaming of the capital to ,let’s see , something suitably fashionable such as , Nzumba Ngweze Transz LGBTIQETC.
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:12am
    - VicParking
      
      “Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 49% owned slaves.
      The slave owners were:
      Richard Bassett (DE)
      Jacob Broom (DE)
      John Dickinson (DE)
      George Read (DE)
      William Houstoun (GA)
      William Few (GA)
      William Samuel Johnson (CT)
      Daniel Carroll (MD)
      Luther Martin (MD)
      John Francis Mercer (MD)
      Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (MD)
      William Livingston (NJ)
      William Blount (NC)
      William Richardson Davie (NC)
      Alexander Martin (NC)
      Richard Dobbs Spaight (NC)
      Pierce Butler (SC)
      Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (SC)
      Charles Pinckney (SC)
      John Rutledge (SC)
      John Blair (VA)
      James Madison (VA)
      George Mason (VA)
      Edmund Randolph (VA)
      George Washington (VA)
      George Wythe (VA)
      Robert Morris (PA)”
      In total, twelve presidents owned slaves at some point in their lives, eight of whom owned slaves while serving as president.
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:28am
      - kowtow
        
        And of the other 59% who weren’t slave owners how many were merchants or ship owners who engaged in the slave trade or who made massive money out of trading sugar , tobacco or cotton.
        
        #theconstitution must fall!
        
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        August 16, 2017 11:01am
      - mikenmild
        
        How many of the founding fathers have had monuments erected to them as a tribute to their military efforts to preserve slavery?
        
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        August 16, 2017 12:29pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Tom Scott’s cartoon in the DomPost today is classic lefty distortion on that very point. He depicts a face-off between a bunch of swastika-waving hoodlums and a bunch of decent-looking housewives, grandpas, children, etc. Not a face mask or baseball bat in sight on that side.
    
    And Trump saying something ridiculous and ambiguous, in which I am not sure what Scott’s point was. Perhaps you have to be a fellow lefty to assume what Scott means to be assumed.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:15am
    - Prince
      
      I didn’t get it either. But Scott has dispensed with wit and subtlety in his work over the last year.
      The cartoon, the editorial, and all the opinion pieces are now just blatant adverts for left wing policies.
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:35am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I used to love Scott’s cartoons but in recent times he’s completely lost the plot, becoming just another mouthpiece of the left.
      But I don’t have to cringe daily over his offerings because I stopped buying the Wellington People’s Daily a couple of years ago.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:21am
    - Inandout
      
      Poor Tom has lost it since entering his dotage. The cartoons are getting more viciously left wing and aren’t in the slightest bit humourous.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:24am
    - Bullion
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg
      
      You have to ask what are the intentions of either side. Those white nationalists were VERY well prepared for violence and unsympathetic to loss of life due to their part in the chaos.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:53am
  - Inandout
    
    I thought that brain dead snowflake trying to kick the downed bronze statue of Gen. Lee must go down as the most stupid attempt to break one’s toes on record. Did he have an orgasm whilst displaying his ‘outrage’?
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:21am
- Scott
  
  It seems from reports that the police did not protect the protestors but left them to the mercy of the antifa people who were armed and started the confrontation. It appears that white people who are protesting about the removal of the Robert E Lee statue do have a point. Yes there were kkk people and neo nazi people as well but the idea that white people can protest about the removal of one of their heroes is a legitimate point.
  
  I think the left were spoiling for a fight and also have another go at Trump and charge him for being racist. Weak kneed democrats and weasels like Bill Kristol have joined in the condemnation of Trump.
  
  I thought what Trump said was pretty good. He condemned violence on both sides and there was violence on both sides.
  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/yesterday-charlottesville-today-seattle.php
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    What violence on both sides. Which side turned up carrying combat weapons and wearing body armour?
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:24pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Police
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:53pm
    - Scott
      
      Umm Mikey, if you look at the video you’ll see the trademark antifa black suits and they came at the white nationalists swinging clubs. Also the leftists were waving communist flags of all things.
      
      Don’t forget the vast majority of violence has been from the left. Violence on campuses, assassination of 5 police officers by a BLM supporter, the attempted assassination of a congressman by a Bernie Sanders supporter, the list goes on and on.
      
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      August 16, 2017 2:45pm
RF

What in the hell has gone wrong with the ABs. Shag is advertising choc biscuits and sweets and trying to look like a tough bikie. The wrong message to send to future ABs.

The lapsed Captain Read is too busy advertising houses, garages, tooth paste and any household products he can get his hands on.

I see Mark Reason believes Read should not be captain and the natural repacement is Sam Whitelock. I agree as Read is weak with no control over the hot heads in his team.
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August 16, 2017 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  With professionalisation they’re no longer sports teams ,they’re advertising vessels, brands .
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:15am
- dime
  
  Read – great player, weak as fuck captain.
  
  and lol @ “and any household products he can get his hands on.”
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:33am
  - GazzaW
    
    Concussion problems willing I would like to see Coles as captain. And no, I’m not a ‘canes supporter.
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:21am
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      August 16, 2017 12:55pm
JasonJohns

Another big win for Trump today. He has blasted the revisionists who want to tarnish the Confederacy and defended the integrity of the alt-right.

Trump compared George Washington to Confederate generals
Trump invoked the names of Founding Fathers George Washington and Thomas Jefferson during his whirlwind press conference.

“George Washington was a slave owner. Was Georgie Washington was salve owner. So will George Washington lose his status? Are we going to take down statues to George Washington,” he said. “How about Thomas Jefferson, what do you think of Thomas Jefferson, do you like him? Ok good. Are we going to take down the statues, because he was a major salve owner? Now are we going to take down his statue?”

He concluded with a statement on attempts to take down statues to past leaders:

“So, you know what, it is fine, you are changing history, you are changing culture.”

I hope the president will raise the revising of history in Germany next, where it is illegal now to fly a Nazi flag and where all statues that record that era have been removed.
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August 16, 2017 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  But the, duh, Germans have replaced Nazism with Islamism, and mosques abound. The end effect is that the Jews are now hated in a different way, and are fleeing just as they did in Hitler’s era.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:28am
- Shawn Herles
  
  “He has blasted the revisionists who want to tarnish the Confederacy and defended the integrity of the alt-right.”
  
  No he didn’t Kea. He blasted BOTH sides, the alt-Right and the alt-Left.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:08pm
JasonJohns

Trump’s point in a nutshell – Robert E Lee and George Washington are both American heroes. Both revolted against oppressive governments.
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August 16, 2017 9:29am
- kowtow
  
  The British govt was not oppressive . But all countries must have their myths. The American rebellion had nothing to do with freedom , it had everything to do with conquering the rest of the continent ,something good King George III ( the man history calls a crazy tyrant) was opposed to as it meant taking land off his other subjects the Indians across the Alleghenys. And those taxes they didn’t like paying were needed to pay for what had been a world war with France 1756-63. A war that the freedom loving colonists were extremely reluctant to fight in ,even though it meant freedom from French tyranny.
  
  Now don’t get me wrong ,the US of A is a great country , a great democracy and has saved our bacon many a time , but the British gummint were not the bad guys that Hollywood and American history portrays them to be.
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:53am
  - JasonJohns
    
    OK maybe kowtow…but you must admit that the north was a tyranny and Robert E Lee was a hero for rebelling and fighting for human freedom. That’s what Trump is saying.
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:55am
    - Bullion
      
      ‘human freedom’ – WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!! They were seceding to retain the ability to have slaves.
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:02pm
      - Lance
        
        It’s just evidence that being a Nazi gives you brain damage.
        Just smile politely at the funny man and move along.
        
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        August 16, 2017 3:50pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Actually the American colonials were pissed off with the British Parliament, and called on the King, whom they respected, to intervene. Their British equivalents had representation in that Parliament and they didn’t. Universal suffrage was of course still a long way off but democracy was partially there and evolving.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:20am
- JasonJohns
  
  Thanks for all the pro-Confederate upticks. The Confederate States of America was a light among nations, a beacon of liberty.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:22am
  - Huevon
    
    …except for the slaves.
    
    Let’s just say the Confederates were fighting to defend their way of life and leave it at that.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:53am
    - JasonJohns
      
      Christian theologian RD Rushdoony sees no necessary conflict between righteousness and slave ownership.
      
      Not until 1973 with the publication of R.J. Rushdoony’s The Institutes of Biblical Law was there an attempt at a Biblical social philosophy that uncompromisingly affirmed the validity of biblical law. Since then over 100 volumes have been published elaborating the details of Calvinistic social philosophy from a “theonomic” perspective. Led by Rushdoony, Gary North, Greg Bahnsen, James Jordan, and Gary DeMar, theonomic authors have expounded the Mosaic law with a fullness of application to modern society never before seen in Church history. Rushdoony passed on in 2001. The work of the Chalcedon Foundation is carried on by his son, Mark.
      
      As Rushdoony wrote in his 1973 book Institutes of Biblical Law, which explained how to implement Biblical scriptural directives in a modern legal system,
      
      “The (Biblical) Law here is humane and also unsentimental. It recognizes that some people are by nature slaves and will always be so. It both requires that they be dealt with in a godly manner and also that the slave recognizes his position and accepts it with grace.”
      Stephen McDowell’s article is not incidental to Wallbuilders writing on slavery – David Barton has two major articles on slavery on the Wallbuilders web site and both refer to McDowell’s article “For more information on this issue.” McDowell’s article provides an intellectual sleight-of-hand which allows Barton to publicly advance the point that many of the Founding Fathers opposed slavery (which is true) while still supporting “Biblical slavery.”
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:07am
      - Bullion
        
        You are a scary person. To even consider that “some people are by nature slaves and will always be so” is disgusting and then try and justify it with some religious gobbledigook is so ridiculous. I find it hard to see the difference between you and some ISIS idiot.
        
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        August 16, 2017 12:06pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “You are a scary person”
        
        No, he’s a troll who is posting under at least two different identities. He does not believe a word he says. Ignore him.
        
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        August 16, 2017 2:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      They lost
      Bzzzzzt thanks for playing, no statue.
      
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      August 16, 2017 2:38pm
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“UN prepares to grill NZ government

14 Aug 2017 15:36 PM

New Zealand’s performance on racism and human rights comes under scrutiny this week at the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in Geneva.

As well as holding two three-hour sessions with government representatives, the committee will take into account reports from the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions, Action for Children & Youth Aotearoa, Peace Movement Aotearoa, Save Our Unique Landscape and other non-government organisations.

Examples of where the Government has fallen down on compliance include the New Plymouth District Council (Waitara Lands) Bill, Ihumatao and the Special Housing Area in Mangere, the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, deep-sea oil seismic exploration and drilling, and the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011;

There are also concerns around the care and protection of Maori children, the treatment of Maori children in state care, and access to education, health services and a minimum standard of living for Maori and Pasifika children;

Some submitters has also alleged institutional racism and structural discrimination in the administration of justice, employment, and the health system. ”

Radio Waatea – 14 August 2017.
____________________

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 BILLION Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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August 16, 2017 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  Meanwhile the Saudis fund world terrorism. and bomb the living daylights out of Yemen with American and British help. Western Europe is being swamped with Muslims to set up another Caliphate. Oil pipeline politics and drug growth opportunities dominate military thinking in the Middle east and Euarasia. Africa is being raided for minerals. The world sits on the edge of a potential financial crisis. The Americans are close to civil war and North Korea has a possibly unhinged dictator announcing his desire to annihilate the Americans.
  
  Aren’t non-Maori children in NZ due the same considerations as any other?
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:16am
  - smttc
    
    Susan Devoid is a fuckin’ disgrace and a traitor.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:21am
  - PhilBest
    
    And Christian converts in a couple of dozen countries face the death penalty for “apostasy from Islam”.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:21am
  - Bullion
    
    Fuck this whataboutism.
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:08pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Hey Penny; we’re still waiting for your denouncement of Metiria Turei for ripping off the taxpayer, then lying about it.
  
  Why the silence Penny? I would have thought an anti-corruption watchdog like yourself would have been all over this.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    KS,
    The day Penny denounces the criminal Turei will be the day she pays her rates and joins the National Party.
    A more blatant hypocrite the world has yet to see.
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:26am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Please Fornicate Further Afield….
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:39am
JasonJohns

David Duke
Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa
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August 16, 2017 9:46am
- Nermal
  
  Hitler was a vegetarian and had an Alsatian. Ergo, vegetarians and Alsatian owners are Nazis.
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:08pm
JasonJohns

More big wins for Trump. He’s weeding out these cucks.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/346692-afl-cio-president-leaves-trump-advisory-board
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August 16, 2017 10:10am
- Gabby
  
  cuck soccer jizzyjocks
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:58am
Rachael Membery

Amazing the headline lol last line that John Key is being made a Sir
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11905175
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August 16, 2017 10:12am
Keeping Stock

So it seems Jacinda Ardern is not above slagging Australia and Australians off herself; from DPF’s archives:

Jacinda on Australia Day

Jacinda Ardern writes in the SST on the call for NZ to have a national holiday that is an actual celebration like Australia Day:

Australia Day? Are you kidding? That is the last place we should be looking for a model of race relations, let alone a national day of celebration – unless you’re into drunken, casual racism.

Jacinda seems to be judging Australia Day off the basis of what a small minority do. I doubt most Australians see it as a day of drunken casual racism.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/02/jacinda_on_australia_day.html

Oh dear, but thank you Mr Google.
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August 16, 2017 10:13am
- dime
  
  nice
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:36am
- Gabby
  
  Every Day’s Astrollya Day smuggy, if drunken casual racism is the yardsteck.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:57am
Happychappy

I have just received a e mail from Parliamentary Services concerning my complaint about Labour using Parliamentary funds in the slave gate saga and have been advised that the speakers office had followed up on my complaint and found there was nothing wrong or illegal with what they did with the Interns.
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August 16, 2017 10:13am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I have just received a similar e-mail Happychappy. I thought this paragraph was interesting:
  
  Based upon this advice and the information provided to this investigation I conclude that no parliamentary funding has been used to either support the ‘Campaign for Change New Zealand’ or to support the volunteers brought to New Zealand to assist with this campaign.
  
  What is interesting is that the Speaker has determined that the “Campaign for Change” (which seems to have sunk, without trace) did not misuse any taxpayer funds.
  
  However the Speaker has NOT made any comment as to whether the money to pay McCarten’s salary after he was shifted sideways to Auckland was an appropriate use of the Labour leader’s budget.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:19am
krazykiwi

The Race Relations Commissioner has asked the United Nations to pressure New Zealand’s Government to hold an inquiry into child abuse in state-run institutions.

Devoy’s vainglorious influence expansion continues. Time for her to go.
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August 16, 2017 10:15am
- smttc
  
  The woman is a bloody disgrace.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:23am
- Gabby
  
  Too right. That stuff goes away if we just ignore it long enough. We’re building bigger gaols so there’s no problem that end.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:52am
- Paulus
  
  Look she got the job because despite considerable time taken to look for a candidate nobody would touch it.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:14pm
JasonJohns

Grassroots Christians are getting involved in the backlash against Jacinda. Here’s a sermon from one of our Baptist churches. National should put this guy on its list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4nW7ATEXwo&feature=youtu.be
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- Keeping Stock
  
  JJ – this church is NOT part of the Baptist church movement in New Zealand. It is an independent church using the Baptist name to try and get some respectability.
  
  But the views of the “pastor” that gays should be shot are repulsive to most Christians, myself included. He most certainly does not represent “Grassroots Christians”.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:22am
  - mikenmild
    
    Correct: He is as representative of all Christians as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is of all Muslims.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:39am
    - itstricky
      
      Now, now, MM, let’s not bring any objective, illustrative, practical examples into this conversation.
      
      We need more subjective feelings about what The Muzzies next door might be doing while we’re sleeping and whether they’re under our beds. Logic, after all, is a white man concept.
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:48am
    - itstricky
      
      It’s turning into an interesting psychological experiment.
      
      6 upticks for “he doesn’t represent Christianity”. 6 downticks for “that guy doesn’t represent all Muslims”
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:16am
      - Gabby
        
        Not entirely unpredictable.
        
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        August 16, 2017 11:54am
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    Not a Baptist church. Not a pastor. Not a ‘grassroots Christian’. Not view I know any Christian endorsing. But there you go. It’s an opportunity to bash Christians.
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:45am
    - mikenmild
      
      No True Scotsman, huh?
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:50am
      - JasonJohns
        
        The Baptist minister could have made his case against Jacinda even stronger by mentioning that she is guilty of fornication, living as she does with a man she has not married, and by bringing attention to the national security threat posed by a menstruating Prime Minister.
        
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        August 16, 2017 10:56am
      - mikenmild
        
        Careful Kea, you will get the folks upticking ashamed of their gullibility in taking you seriously.
        
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        August 16, 2017 10:57am
    - Scott
      
      Yes bible Baptist churches are not part of the Baptist union of churches of NZ. Bible Baptist are a fundamentalist group of churches.
      
      It was interesting in the sermon the pastor didn’t actually seem to go to the Bible? When you preach you should go to the Bible. It helps you stay on track rather than the message being a set of your own opinions.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:14am
      - mikenmild
        
        You think he couldn’t have relied on the Bible to condemn homosexuality and advocate the death penalty?
        
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        August 16, 2017 11:47am
      - Scott
        
        Absolutely Mikey. And I’m sure the bible says somewhere that all smart arse leftists bloggers should be taken out and stoned.
        Give me a moment while I find the appropriate verse…
        
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        August 16, 2017 2:49pm
- Fletch
  
  This is what the media does.
  
  1. Find a church that is a bad example of the religion you want to bash.
  
  2. Highlight the church saying something bad about your candidate to garner her sympathy.
  
  3. Distract from the issue from Australia.
  
  Two birds with one stone.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:05am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Fletch do you disagree with the fact that forncation along with oral sex is a sin, as much as homosexuality? It is a misuse of godgiven genitals and fluids.
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:09am
    - Fletch
      
      Sure I disagree with fornication (sex out of wedlock), but I don’t go around wishing violence against those who do it. I don’t see vegetarians who think that eating meat is immoral making those kinds of statements about meat eaters either.
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:38am
      - GoVege
        
        Some do…. 🙂
        
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        August 16, 2017 6:45pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Give it a rest JJ
      
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      August 16, 2017 11:54am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Yes, don’t feed the trolls.
        
        JJ = Realityczech = Kea. One troll, at least three heads.
        
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        August 16, 2017 2:19pm
  - Gabby
    
    Is he an ockie?
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:49am
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      Dual citizen…
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:12pm
- MrTips
  
  Erm…just a small thing, but has anyone verified this guy is real? I mean, its not like the MSM actually can tell the difference between a p***-take and reality.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:21am
  - mikenmild
    
    Could be Poe’s Law and Haggard’s Law in action simultaneously?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Haggard%27s_Law
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:52am
- Gabby
  
  The jezebel was wearing lipstick. I saw it on the Devil’s Box of Temptations.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:53am
KevOB

It was 40 years ago when my family exposed the realities of Owairaka Boys Home and State child care. Control situations attracts sadists.

A Cabinet Minister resigned, inquiries held, legislation passed, review committees appointed, compensation offered after great stress and the saga continues. My two young boys then were brutalised by the State. One never survived the other now 56 won’t go near the compo offer because of the stress involved. He’s made a life for himself in Australia. He fled NZ because of Owairaka and so we were deprived of him.

I don’t know a solution to state violence in child care. Every generation may have to root our the baddies. Children are still held in Police cells.

I seldom agree with SD but this may not be inappropriate.
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August 16, 2017 10:33am
- mikenmild
  
  Did you see the programme a couple of weeks ago about the camp on Great Barrier? Horrific stuff.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:41am
  - KevOB
    
    I have not.
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      It was a story of long-running abuse. DSW sent scores of teenagers to a camp there run by a former professional wrestler. Despite dozens of complaints of abuse, DSW kept sending kids there for a number of years. One guy reported being forced at gunpoint to dig his own grave.
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:39pm
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        All quite likely.
        
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        August 16, 2017 7:35pm
VicParking

WO has come out this morning supporting the tooth fairy. He has gone beyound slagging off Bill English and is now saying “On the surface, she did a very good job.” this relates to the Hip-Kiss fiasco.
Anything for clicks, maybe he has realised that National supporters are leaving his site in droves so its time to troll for the Liebourites.
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August 16, 2017 10:54am
- Piniwi
  
  Where has WOBH gone? In a recent request to allow location of tickers the list failed to include Auckland?
  
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  August 16, 2017 3:23pm
Manolo

Yes, prosecute the vandals:
http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article167300007.html

The protester who climbed a ladder to help bring down a Confederate soldier statue was arrested Tuesday, and Sheriff Mike Andrews said his office will pursue felony charges against others.
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August 16, 2017 11:23am
- Fletch
  
  Make them pay for sculpting and rebuilding a new one.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:34am
  - mikenmild
    
    Better get the marines to go back to Iraq and fix all those statues of Saddam:
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=us+soldiers+toppling+statue+of+Saddam&rls=com.microsoft:en-NZ:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1nau2uNrVAhUCl5QKHfe9BP4Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=935#imgrc=NIWD9db8JAFEjM:&spf=1502841388208
    
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    August 16, 2017 11:57am
  - Gabby
    
    Losers don’t get statues.
    
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    August 16, 2017 2:34pm
    - cha
      
      What losers deserve.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYTcQUKTVY
      
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      August 16, 2017 2:42pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95810941/teen-who-died-in-police-chase-made-silly-mistake-say-family

Teen made a silly mistake? Which silly mistake would that be?

* Two kids by the age of 18.
* Drinks a lot.
* Drink drives a lot.
* Speeds a lot.
* Flees from cops.

What sort of “family man” is out hooning at 3am by himself?

Sad for the family and all that, but this bloke was out to kill himself. The only good thing that can be said was that he didn’t hurt anyone else in the process.
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August 16, 2017 11:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The other good thing is that it was a positive outcome for the gene pool.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:31am
  - cmm
    
    Ouch, but with two kids already he has made a larger genetic footprint than most western will.
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    Same with the two idiots who took off into the bush in Kaimanawa.
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:12pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Saw photo of one of them in his Black Power gang gear.
      
      I wonder where they thought they were going to run to on foot from a side road up on the Desert Road? Miles and miles from anywhere. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
      
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      August 16, 2017 5:04pm
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALAND BUBBLE PRICED HOUSING: WHY IS PM ENGLISH ENCOURAGING RECKLESS LENDING ?

Pity New Zealand Prime Minister Bill English’s Government failed to sort out land supply and infrastructure financing over the past 9 years.

Former Prime Minister John Key a decade ago … in 2007 …

John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE

When the Irish housing market collapsed in 2007, the average median multiple for its metros went from 4.7 to 2.8 a few years later … putting all its Banks to the wall … requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro (about $NZ109 billion).

Australia’s are currently 5.5 and New Zealand 5.9.

Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland (CBoI) found high multiple lending was the greatest problem … and a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes was imposed. A year earlier the Bank of England (BoE) had imposed a cap of 4.5 times.

Why does PM English wish to expose New Zealand Banks and wider society to reckless lending ? …

NZ Herald editorial: PM hits an odd note on house lending rules – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11904739

… extract …

… Housing affordability for first-home seekers has been the issue National has most to fear at the polls. It is of concern not just to young voters looking for a house but to their parents and grandparents who want them to have the Kiwi birthright. … read more via hyperlink above …

If only we had Americas problems where housing on average across all its metros is about 3.6 times annual household incomes … in contrast to New Zealand’s 5.9 times … with Auckland an extremely dangerous 10.0 times.

Auckland was a whisker over 6.0 times when former PM Key said it was a crisis situation in 2007 (note Youtube video above … and too google search ‘Demographia Survey’ and ‘Performance Urban Planning’).

What is Auckland now Mr English at 10.0 times ?

As housing affordability weakens, more buyers are left out in the cold … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/as-housing-affordability-weakens-more-buyers-are-left-out-in-the-cold.html

Homes priced under $200,000 made up 44 percent of the market in 2010. Today, they are just 16 percent of new, for-sale construction, data show. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing is this governments great failure … and voters will tell them election day 23 September.
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August 16, 2017 11:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hugh o’clock has arrived folks. Get your downticks ready.
  
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  August 16, 2017 11:33am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Capt Mainwaring … How much in bailouts would be required for the NZ Banks do you think … using the Irish example as a guide ?
    
    As noted above Irish housing peaked at 4.7 median multiple across its metros and we are currently about 5.9.
    
    The capital base of out Banks I think is just $30 billion … with the total bubble value of our housing market in excess of a trillion … according to Core Logic earlier in the year.
    
    Much of this stuff had been covered years ago in earlier articles … a few examples …
    
    Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes … SMH / The Age
    
    https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
    
    New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable | Hugh Pavletich | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00166/new-zealands-bubble-economy-is-vulnerable-hugh-pavletich.htm
    
    Housing Bubbles And Market Sense | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm
    
    Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:42pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      … September 2015 …
      
      Auckland market in danger zone – RB Gov Graeme Wheeler | Radio New Zealand News
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/283784/auckland-market-in-danger-zone-rb
      
      … extract …
      
      But Mr Wheeler this afternoon told MPs the faster house prices rose in Auckland, the greater the likelihood of a steep price reversal.
      
      He (Reserve Bank of New Zealand Governor Graeme Wheeler) said Auckland house prices were not sustainable.
      
      “The house price to income ratio for Auckland is at nine. It’s twice that for the rest of the country,” he said.
      
      “A ratio of nine puts you, according to Demographia figures, in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world.
      
      “This is just dangerous territory.” …
      
      … with oddles more at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
      
      Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performancve … Youtube
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
      
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      August 16, 2017 12:56pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Harcourts’ average selling prices are declining as the number of sales drops 18% at the country’s largest real estate agency | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89344/harcourts-average-selling-prices-are-declining-number-sales-drops-18-countrys-largest
        
        Harcourts average selling price is now below where it was 12 months ago, suggesting capital gains are drying up.
        
        The average selling price of homes sold throughout the country by Harcourts, the country’s largest real estate agency, was $577,595 in July, compared to $594,291 in July last year (-2.8%).
        
        The biggest fall occurred in Christchurch, where July’s average selling price was $488,079, down 6.5% compared to the average price of $521,850 in July last year.
        
        Harcourts’ average selling price in Christchurch has now declined by more than $100,000 since it peaked at $588,362 in March.
        
        In Auckland the average selling price was $1,009,090, up 1.2% compared to July last year and in Wellington, July’s average of $457,354 was up 8% compared to a year earlier. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 16, 2017 1:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Govt buys another two motels to put up homeless, denies link to fall in state housing – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905468
        
        Social Housing Minister Amy Adams says the Government plans to buy another two motels to put up homeless people.
        
        The new purchases come on top of the four motels already bought by the Ministry of Social Development for emergency housing.
        
        The Government began funding emergency housing for the first time in late 2015 because of drastic housing shortages and rising costs, and its role in the sector continues to expand.
        
        In all, it has now spent $350 million on emergency housing. creating around 8600 places. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 16, 2017 4:36pm
      - stigie
        
        Oh fuck Hugh !~
        
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        August 16, 2017 5:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Toronto update …
        
        Canada’s Average House Price Drops As Toronto’s Slump Spreads … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/15/canadas-average-house-price-drops-as-toronto-s-slump-spreads-ac_a_23078169/
        
        For the first time in four-and-a-half years, the average house price in Canada is lower than it was a year earlier — a clear sign that tougher housing rules and rising mortgage rates are taking a bite out of the once-hot housing market. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Drop in Toronto luxury sales drags down Canadian home prices – The Globe and Mail
        
        https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/july-average-home-price-fell-compared-with-year-ago-crea/article35990054/
        
        A sharp drop in the number of luxury sales in the Greater Toronto Area pulled down housing prices nationally last month as the country’s largest real estate market cools off and braces for higher interest rates. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Google news search ‘Toronto housing’ …
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=toronto+housing&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXuaGHg9vVAhUChbwKHeKND-oQ_AUICigB&biw=926&bih=323
        
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        August 16, 2017 5:39pm
      - stigie
        
        Must say DPF is a very fine bloke indeed to allow his blog to get cluttered up from shit above..?
        
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        August 16, 2017 5:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well thank goodness they’re buying the motels instead of paying the owners $1000-$1200 per person per week.
        
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        August 16, 2017 5:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Latest REINZ figures show lifestyle block sales slumped 19.2% in 12 months to July and prices are below where they were 12 months ago in Auckland, Wellington and Canterbury | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89360/latest-reinz-figures-show-lifestyle-block-sales-slumped-192-12-months-july-and-prices
        
        Lifestyle blocks appear to be following the residential property market down, with a sharp decline in the number of lifestyle blocks being sold and falling prices in many areas.
        
        Latest figures from the REINZ show there were 1984 lifestyle properties sold in the three months to the end of July, compared to 2455 in the same three months of last year, a decline of 19.2%.
        
        On an annual basis, sales were down 8.7%, in the 12 months to July compared to the previous 12 months.
        
        The median price of all lifestyle blocks sold throughout the country was $580,000, down from $601,250 in the three months to June but still up by $10,000 on the median of $570,000 in the three months to July last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 16, 2017 7:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Check out the median house price trends graph of the Texas metros within the article below. Is that telling you anything ?
        
        Will hot housing markets in Texas ever cool down? – Curbed
        
        https://www.curbed.com/2017/8/15/16150480/texas-real-estate-housing-moving
        
        In Texas, where oil drilling and the rugged frontier are deeply embedded in state mythology, the natural economic cycle of boom and bust is familiar.
        
        But in recent years, one sector of the state’s red-hot economy seems to have overcome the laws of gravity. The Texas housing market, and the growth of its big cities, has become a boom that some see developing into a bubble. After outpacing much of the country’s housing growth, one may assume that a reverse in course is nigh for Texas.
        
        Some analysts, though, see things differently: Texas real estate isn’t just booming. It’s evolving.
        
        According to Dr. Jim Gaines, chief economist at the Real Estate Center at Texas A&M, the state is experiencing a fundamental shift. Based on data from the center’s most recent Texas Housing Insight report, released earlier this month, he sees the state in the midst of a long expansion, as it becomes not just a leading state, but perhaps a center for growth for the U.S. for years to come. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
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        August 16, 2017 10:26pm
Fletch

Labour announces $10 million health plan for Canterbury children with earthquake trauma…

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-announces-10-million-mental-health-plan-canterbury-children-earthquake-trauma

Where are they going to get the money for all this stuff? Every day it’s another plan for this and another plan for that. I think they’re just making up shit as they go along.
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August 16, 2017 11:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fletch, you know bloody well where they’re going to get the money.
  Out of your pocket.
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:03pm
  - Paulus
    
    It will come from a special water tax on the folks of Canterbury and Kaikoura – more so from those still flooded for the nth time.
    
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    August 16, 2017 2:18pm
- Kabull
  
  What puzzles me about this ‘idea’ is the notion that they could provide 80 ‘professional’ social workers over the next three years. Where are these people going to come from? If it takes, say, 4-6 years to qualify as a social worker (according to CareersNZ), and then some time to become experienced, Labour haven’t a hope in H… of getting even half that number in the first couple of years UNLESS they strip them from other parts of the country OR they bring in immigrants.
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:38pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    “It takes 4-6 years to qualify as a social worker”.
    
    No just hang a bone carving round your neck, put Aotearoa and whanau in every sentence and you are good to go.
    
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    August 16, 2017 12:48pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ki ora, youl forgot kia ora
      
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      August 16, 2017 1:06pm
      - Inandout
        
        Or as Lindsay Perigo used to say:
        ‘Kai-orah’.
        
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        August 16, 2017 2:41pm
      - softail 1450
        
        and tin of coffee,tin of cocoa, he was a laugh alright.
        
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        August 16, 2017 2:49pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And when the 3-year job is done, what are they going to do with them then?
    This is just virtue-signalling, and another reason to……..
    TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
    
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    August 16, 2017 1:41pm
    - Gabby
      
      ……..
      TULIXPU !!! !!! !!!
      
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      August 16, 2017 2:31pm
    - KevOB
      
      ☑️☑️
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:37pm
- RF
  
  The Green Party are printing money for them in exchange for a seat.
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:59pm
  - howitis
    
    Not on Fuji Xerox machines I hope.
    
    Bad Xerox.
    Sit.
    
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    August 16, 2017 3:09pm
Jack5

New Zealand Post is abandoning Fast Post, as it continues to change into a mainly courier company.

Conventional postal mail is on the way out, replaced by internet and cellphones in communciations and by couriers in parcels.

I feel sorry for some old folk trapped in letter mail for communications, and for some of the remoter rural areas where courier service is expensive. However, it’s hard to see any way around their problem, though I think the Government may already subsidise rural mail.

NZ Post made a profit of $141 million in 2016. According to its cash accounts, NZ post paid $1.273 billion to suppliers and employees, and took in only $1.041 billion. A dividend of $23 million form Kiwibank didn’t make up the difference, but $371 million in interest revenue did.

The directors of NZ Post are:
Carol Anne Campbell, Auckland.
Richard Paul Dellabarca, Auckland.
Alan Michael Dunn , Mapua (Nelson).
Julia Cecile Hoare, Auckland.
Richard Ian Leggat, Auckland.
Jacqueline Marie Lloyd, Wellington.
Richie James Smith, Lake Tekapo.
Deborah Jane Taylor, Queenstown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/95826589/new-zealand-post-cuts-its-fastpost-service
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August 16, 2017 11:57am
- starboard
  
  Too many wimmin folk in there, that’s the problem.
  They should be at home waiting for hubby to arrive home from a hard days toil, slippers in hand and a nice shoulder massage.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:50pm
- howitis
  
  It was never Fast and even standard post is slow.
  It has been slow for a long time.
  
  NZ Post have lied about this for years. Yes lied.
  They made up false stories about ‘independent audit’ and 97% delivered within timeframe.
  Total crap.
  They lie like a Labour finance spokesperson.
  Oh Wait.
  This makes them a bad corporate citizen.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/91708094/postal-experiment-finds-it-takes-a-letter-8-days-to-travel-200-metres
  
  I found this 15 years ago in doing mail outs.
  They are dishonest but expect remaining customers to pay more to hold onto jobs in a dying industry.
  They are despicable.
  
  They have wasted money on localist – launching paper directories in 2011 and lost $10s of millions of taxpayers money.
  Yet they sold the shares on growing profitable Datacom.
  The $3mill lost in their ill-conceived illegal operation in Spain was 15 years ago so we shall forgive.
  
  It is pretty much a one legged dog now and the decent thing to do is sort out the affairs, take it to the vet, and do the right thing.
  It is a 150 year old model that has been largely superseded in the last 15 years.
  
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  August 16, 2017 3:33pm
  - GoVege
    
    Better than British mail.
    The postcards I sent the family (airmail) from England this year mostly arrived 3 months after we got home.
    Some were postmarked various countries in Europe we never went to.
    
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    August 16, 2017 5:59pm
lifesgood

I have just driven from the city out to the eastern suburbs. Still most Labour posters showing Little as leader and all Green posters still showing The Fraudulent Thief as co-leader. I’m of the opinion that this is because after the election Little will once again be Labour leader and The Thief will once again be co-leader of the Greens. Posters out the airport way are the same too.
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August 16, 2017 12:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Can’t be true.
  After Cindy took power the media proclaimed the Red Sea parted , the money flowed in and the volunteers were coming in such numbers they had to turned away……..
  
  or was it all lies?
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If they have people on the posters who aren’t standing for the positions advertised then the Electoral Commission should be taking action.
  But will they?
  Maybe the Nats should whack up a few posters with John Key on them.
  
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  August 16, 2017 12:33pm
  - Gabby
    
    There’d be votes in that gruts.
    
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    August 16, 2017 2:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Labour is probably in the clear but Greens not:
    
    * Little is on the list at 3, so he is still part of what is on offered if you choose to party vote Labour. ie. vote Labour, get Little is still valid.
    
    * MeTu is no longer on the list so the “Great Together” Party Vote Green hoardings showing MeTu are false advertising. Party voting Green does not get you what is being advertised.
    
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    August 16, 2017 5:40pm
- VicParking
  
  Same in Whanganui
  
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  August 16, 2017 3:12pm
- cmm
  
  It’s because the hardcore Labour/Greens supporters (ie. those that would put up hoardings on their fences) are really pro Little & MeTu.
  
  They consider dumping Little and MeTu as selling out to counter-revolutionary forces.
  
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  August 16, 2017 5:28pm
lifesgood

I have just seen the most disgusting tweet by Martyn Bradbury. I only saw it because someone I follow labeled it disgusting. Bradbury has superimposed a photo of Bill and Mary English into the white supremacists photo from the rally in USA. This should be actionable, surely. Now we all know Bradbury is deranged but this is utterly disgraceful.
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August 16, 2017 1:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bradbury must be totally unhinged. I suppose he knows that Mary English is half Samoan.
  What a disgusting individual he is, not surprising given he’s from the left.
  
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  August 16, 2017 1:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Yeah, c’mon Bill and Mary, sue the fat fucker.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:07pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  I actually went to university back in the day with Martyn Bradbury and not much has changed it seems as he was the butt of laughter there too.
  He was easily recognised as he always wore Doc Martens boots, a long trenchcoat and carried an old leather doctors bag.
  Not sure if he actually graduated in the end or not as he seemed to be into every waste of space cause pretty much like now.
  You just have to humour individuals like this as society is infested with them.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:28pm
  - Gabby
    
    So YOU were that bag, old hoary.
    
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    August 16, 2017 3:58pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Highest educational achievement of Gabby?.
      20 years of kindergarten.
      
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      August 16, 2017 4:37pm
      - Gabby
        
        I came top in napping old hoary. You were kept back for remedial potty sitting. Kept putting it on your head.
        
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        August 16, 2017 6:17pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        10 years in standard 2
        
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        August 16, 2017 6:58pm
- Garbageman
  
  To be fair to Bradbury he is only pissed off that he wasn’t born a transgender black woman and now has to lump all of his privileged white guilt onto his moronic readers
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    Babes and sucklings, babes and sucklings.
    
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    August 16, 2017 4:00pm
Jack5

Dame Devoid has called on the UN to intervene in NZ by holding an inquiry on State care of children and the disabled.

Yep, she’s perhaps the worst political appointment in NZ history.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/337274/devoy-asks-un-to-take-action-on-nz-state-care-abuse
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August 16, 2017 2:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Didn’t see this had been posted earlier in the thread
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:20pm
  - calendar girl
    
    It bears repeating, Jack.
    
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    August 16, 2017 4:25pm
- Gabby
  
  There’s a lesson there isn’t there jacksie.
  
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  August 16, 2017 2:27pm
cha

The prick was assessed as being too bent for the Wran /Unsworth governments who were, subsequently, investigated by an independent commission into corruption.

Donald Trump’s plan to build and operate Sydney’s first casino was killed off in 1987 by the NSW government on the back of a high-level police report that warned against the now-US President’s bid because of his “mafia connections’’.

The secret report by the NSW Police Board into the suitability of tenderers for the inner-city Darling Harbour casino project cautioned that it would be “dangerous’’ to go ahead with Mr Trump’s joint venture with the Queensland-based Kern Corporation, headed by the late developer Barry Paul.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K8FbdbTwVpgJ:www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/trumps-bid-for-sydney-casino-killed-off-by-mob-connections/news-story/65a0e5289cc924722f988bdca4b01e9b+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz&client=firefox-b
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August 16, 2017 3:20pm
Happychappy

While watching Question Time in Parliament this afternoon I decided to keep a eye on Andrew Little to see how he reacted and the result was that facial activity shown that he is a very angry man with very little to offer. Even when asking a question of Judith Collins as Labour Justice spokesman his expression showed how bitter he is and surely Labour need to energize and remove this ex Leader for more enthusiasm or lance the Head of the festering sore.
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August 16, 2017 3:23pm
- Gabby
  
  I was watching this crappy little brown toothed chappy the other day and I thought the same thing.
  
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  August 16, 2017 3:57pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Jesus flabby you get off on some very sick thoughts, seek help I am sure Dr Clark would offer to help another left fuckwit.
    
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    August 16, 2017 4:10pm
    - Gabby
      
      Seek a dentist chappy.
      
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      August 16, 2017 4:28pm
- wiseowl
  
  While working hard today and listening to Question Time ,I was stunned at the performance of National MPs .
  Joyce is a major disappointment with his obsession with GDP and growth while Simon no Northland Bridges weedles his way around everything but fools no one.
  If I was a National MP I would refuse to ask a patsy question.It sounds so pathetic and demeaning.
  I find it hard to believe people like Shaw are so sucked in by the global warming scam but National continue to follow the Paris agreement like good UN supporters.Pity Judith Collins couldn’t call it out for what it is in her answers about oil and gas.
  National are like the Liberals in Australia and will not mention immigration.
  So sad.
  
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  August 16, 2017 5:14pm
  - Happychappy
    
    wiseowl : Is there anyone you do like, yes I know the Green fraud she was your beloved Leader aye.
    
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    August 16, 2017 7:30pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    wiseowl you must have been watching a different question time to the one I watched.
    Either that or you are irreversibly dyed red.
    
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    August 16, 2017 8:44pm
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‪INVESTIGATE NZ (former Prime Minister) JOHN KEY OVER THE PANAMA PAPERS – SAYS CHAIR OF TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL JOSE UGAS

(1 August 2017 at Transparency International NZ meeting at Rutherford House, Victoria University).

Chair of Transparency International Jose Ugaz stated on 1 August 2017 at Wellington meeting that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers.‬

How do I know?

I was at that meeting and heard Jose Ugaz myself.

Any NZ or international mainstream media going to follow up with an investigation into John Key and the Panama Papers?

Penny Bright
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August 16, 2017 3:45pm
- Happychappy
  
  The bright penny one of NZ’s biggest $cammer$and stranger to the truth makes a derougitive comment about John Key again, so the bright penny post you facts instead of your usual bullshit.
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:05pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is that the same Transparency International group you disparage because the rate NZ so highly as free of corruption?
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:05pm
- Nookin
  
  I can just imagine it
  Bright to Ugaz: “Our former Prime Minister, Mr Key, had lots of money and was probably on the payroll of Bank Of America. He probably had a trust managed by a firm of solicitors in Panama.”
  Ugaz to Bright: “Really? My word if that is true, somebody should look into it.”
  Bright: “My sentiments entirely! I will tell everybody that you suggested it.”
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:26pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Christ Penny, you’re getting really desperate now.
  Have you been kicked out of your house yet?
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:40pm
  - stigie
    
    Can’t wait for the auction, she must now owe between 40-50k. What is wrong with the fucking useless council..?
    
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    August 16, 2017 5:16pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s Sir John Key to you, missy muppet.
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    PonyBigboy.
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:19pm
    - sooty
      
      Penny, what was your vote at the last election, again. I think John Key handed you your arse. Come to think of it, you never did get many votes in any election, you stood in, Did you!
      
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      August 16, 2017 6:28pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed.
  Um it’s the Postman’s Leg now – see you Friday at 6
  
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  August 16, 2017 7:02pm
  - Nookin
    
    Looks like she came back briefly, delivered a few down-ticks and slithered back under her rock
    
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    August 16, 2017 9:46pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Go Forth and Fornicate Faraway you Fickle, Fatuous Fraud….
  
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  August 16, 2017 7:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Who are you to throw stones when you don’t pay your rates?
  
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  August 16, 2017 7:43pm
Monique Watson

You should use AutoCorrect Penny. So should the Horrid. Changes ones life and moderates ones literary outpourings. Creates a space from which to operate.
For example this morning I typed in “Morning Run” to my blog and it got changed to “Morning Rum”. I’m not one to argue with a computer so I acquiesced without argument.
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August 16, 2017 3:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  Punctuation hecks could help you, too, Monique.
  
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  August 16, 2017 4:06pm
  - Gabby
    
    You can say ‘hell’ you know.
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:20pm
starboard

Mouldy fraudster and thief sentenced to 2.5 years in the clink, out within 12 months. PPfftt.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/95845191/convicted-fraudster-sir-ngatata-love-granted-parole
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August 16, 2017 5:32pm
- realityczech
  
  They need the space for Me Tu to serve her lag.
  
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  August 16, 2017 5:36pm
realityczech

Key is putting the charm on Jacindarella. She better watch that pony tail 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95820586
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August 16, 2017 5:32pm
Fletch

I just saw a promo for 1 News coming up, and they are talking about “Trump’s shocking about-turn. Is he now defending white supremacists?” WTF? Did these people even see his press conference? Just stupid, and wrong to be putting out this fake stuff.
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August 16, 2017 5:51pm
- VicParking
  
  Same on Prime.
  Only video’s of right.
  FAKE NEWS
  
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  August 16, 2017 5:56pm
- kowtow
  
  Our evening news had top billing on a wanted druggie rapper, mongrel mobsters missing in the hills ,having stolen a car, another gang type drug character on the run having shot up the police and out of control schools in Northland ………and our media are obsessing about race issues in the USA and Donald Trump?
  
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  August 16, 2017 7:17pm
starboard

Dangerous bastard..exterminate on site

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95845074/live-police-on-hunt-for-morrinsville-gunman-rollie-heke
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August 16, 2017 5:53pm
- GoVege
  
  The mum looked like a nice lady.
  How the hell do these Maori boys end up so bad?
  
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  August 16, 2017 6:39pm
  - starboard
    
    It’s in their genes, violent filth
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:57pm
    - GoVege
      
      That’s not very nice, Starboard.
      I doubt very much that it’s solely genetic.
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:01pm
    - GoVege
      
      40 years ago today the King died.
      Remember his song Chicago Morn about angry young men committing crimes and getting killed?
      These Maori kids are surely no different.
      They suffer poverty..racism ..and most of all probably the absence of a father figure.
      Their mums could have smaller families but that goes against their sexist culture.
      How often are treaty settlements used to help these young kids I wonder?
      Things ain’t changed much in half a century.
      
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      August 16, 2017 8:46pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”How often are treaty settlements used to help these young kids I wonder”….
        
        They haven’t been yet & it won’t happen in the future either. The settlements are in the hands of the tribal hierarchies……those who stayed on the land & didn’t join the exodus to the cities.
        
        A good proportion of young Maori wouldn’t even know who their father was never mind their whakapapa.
        
        They’ll get nothing.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:53pm
      - itstricky
        
        TYP: There’s no point, and no end, to trying to talk to starboard about “specials”. Bee. Bonnet. etc.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m sure you’re right about where all the money goes, nasska.
        And if some of those dad-less kids know who the sperm donor is, the news is often not good.
        It all comes down to the horrendous chauvinism and corruption in most non-western cultures.
        Which so many liberals are in denial about.
        
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        August 16, 2017 9:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    “The mum looked like a nice lady.
    How the hell do these Maori boys end up so bad?”
    
    Because of the women who breed them.
    
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    August 16, 2017 7:30pm
    - GoVege
      
      Some are idiots RC.
      I meet a lot with 10 or more kids.
      But most start off with hopes of a happy family and are ditched by selfish jerks.
      They need to be rounded up and jailed until they face their responsibilities.
      (If they know what the word means.)
      
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      August 16, 2017 8:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        The problem is the culture that creates this situation. They are a symptom not a cause.
        
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        August 16, 2017 9:19pm
VicParking

Prime news: No mention of the Hip-Kiss hitjob.
If it had been National it would have been No1.
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August 16, 2017 5:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But on TV One News we heard Ardern say… We are moving on.
  Solid Bill said he would set about cleaning up Labour’s crap and try and restore Trans Tasman relations.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/temperatures-cool-both-sides-tasman-after-extraordinary-citizenship-saga
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:55pm
- cha
  
  Hardly rated a mention on Bolt’s show, though.
  
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  August 16, 2017 10:01pm
starboard

Moriori’s turn at the gravy train..$180 million.
Nothin wrong..taxpayer pays.
Why doesn’t mouldy pay them out of their settlements, they are the ones who almost ate them into extinction.
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August 16, 2017 6:16pm
- GoVege
  
  Didn’t they try to sue the Maori tribe that almost annihilated them but were told “we beat you by conquest”.
  Please don’t say this ghastly episode is gonna be blamed on Pakeha.
  ‘Course it was a Pakeha ship that escorted them to the Chathams.
  Surely there is a descendant or 2 they can sue.
  
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  August 16, 2017 6:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Course it was a Pakeha ship that escorted them to the Chathams.
    
    That’s not how the Captain of The Rodney described his hijacking.
    http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/?wid=127
    
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    August 16, 2017 10:05pm
    - GoVege
      
      Very interesting thank you, Maggie.
      I read once that the captain just claimed he was forced to carry the warriors, after he realised their intentions.
      I’ve read a few references to this ghastly massacre of pacifists over the years.
      The excuse the perpetrators apparently gave was “it was our custom”.
      The age-old justification for all sorts of horrible crimes…
      
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      August 16, 2017 10:35pm
starboard

…and Kim Jong-un is a fat blow hard.
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August 16, 2017 6:23pm
sooty

What are the rules on elctionering billboards. Are the Greens allowed to have a picture of Me Tue on them. She is not the co dick anymore. Only trying to get maori vote. Same with Angry.
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August 16, 2017 6:23pm
Gabby

Interesting written question coming up in the House tomorrow. Can’t wait to hear the answer. Bit of a curly one.
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August 16, 2017 6:26pm
BananaLlama

All of these failed presidential candidates lining up to take shots at Trump.

Hillary.
McCain.
Romney
Rubio

Anyone asked them why they support ANTIFA waving communist flags on American soil while chanting kill whitey? Gutless press. I’m glad that Trump stood up and told them what others around the world are all thinking.
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August 16, 2017 6:26pm
- cha
  
  But you’re okay with mobs chanting the likes of Jews will not replace us and blood and soil. Right?.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/vicenews/videos/852412418252043/
  
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  August 16, 2017 6:35pm
  - Andrei
    
    Non sequitur Cha
    
    Typical of the vapid argument put forward by intellectually bankrupt people.
    
    You are a classic example of the type of person who can be manipulated by cheap propaganda and incapable of original thought or any sort of rigorous analysis
    
    In other words a sheep
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:41pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    If all you have left is a strawman then i have made my point well –
    thank you Andrei.
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:43pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Definitely a straw man, cha, when you point out that the concerned citizens, peacefully assembled with their automatic weapons to support heritage preservation, are chanting Nazi slogans…
    BTW, where did the term ‘antifa’ emerge from? Sound reaaal sinister, doesn’t it?
    
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    August 16, 2017 6:53pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Morally bankrupt Mike. You can chose to condemn both sides. Our countrymen died fighting Communists and Nazis so don’t side with either.
      
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      August 16, 2017 6:55pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I could condemn both sides, if they were both using violence to defend symbols of racist oppression.
        
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        August 16, 2017 7:34pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Sorry i will make this more clear. There are Americans who do not see those statues as symbols of racist oppression it is the left who are trying to frame them as such.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        How are the not symbols of racist oppression?
        They are statues of people who rebelled against the government over their ‘right’ to enslave other humans, and were erected to reinforce the triumph of the resurgent racists in the Jim Crow era.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:35pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        That is the one of the left wing narratives, yes, i am familiar with it. There are those who think differently. The left don’t get to turn up with bats and smash citizens Berkley style because they have different political opinions. WTF calling everything they disagree with NAZI they flip their shit if you mis gender them tho and yes there were actual skin heads at the rally, a disgrace, hence why both sides got called out.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:50pm
    - Andrei
      
      Do you think it is right to demolish war memorials Mikey?
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:01pm
      - Gabby
        
        Is it a memorial to Brave SS Men Andrei?
        
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        August 16, 2017 7:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Stop it, you’ll make me start crying thinking of your countrymen destroying statues of Stalin and renaming Leningrad…
        
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        August 16, 2017 7:32pm
      - cha
        
        Do you think it is right to demolish war memorials Mikey?
        
        Unless the winners say so and in the spirit of reconciliation, losers don’t have memorials, they have cemeteries. But the traitorous losers of the US civil war thought they could have their cake and eat it too.
        So, according to the graphic linked below, thirty or forty years after their defeat they began erecting memorials in earnest.
        Strangely enough, their memorial building fests coincided with the Jim Crow laws used to disenfranchise African Americans, the resurgence of the KKK and the modern civil rights movement.
        
        War memorials my arse.
        
        http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/07/civil_war_historical_markers_a_map_of_confederate_monuments_and_union_ones.html
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:11pm
nasska

The Police, quite rightly, are highly concerned about the latest meth freak at loose with a screwed up brain & a semi auto rifle. Therefore it’s interesting to go back on the history of P in NZ.

The clowns at Police HQ completely lost the plot earlier on when meth was becoming popular amongst drug users. Their entire strategy it seems was getting the PM’s idiot science adviser, a turkey by the name of Gluckman, to recommend withdrawing the only effective cold remedies available.

Anyone with the time & inclination may find the following link informative especially the acknowledgement of a former police liaison officer.

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/our-problem-with-p/

The government of the day were offered poor advice by those in a position to know better.
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August 16, 2017 7:04pm
- Johnboy
  
  I can see the attraction of P in “Improving a wifes perkiness” actually nasska! 🙂
  
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  August 16, 2017 7:09pm
  - nasska
    
    Mrs Nasska had the good fortune not to require chemicals to stay perky JB.
    
    I find it hard to be humble. 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2017 7:14pm
    - Gabby
      
      Fork handles?
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:16pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Four candles.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:47pm
      - Gabby
        
        That would keep her perky.
        
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        August 16, 2017 8:49pm
    - Johnboy
      
      We can’t all be “Perfect in every way” nasska! 🙂
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:17pm
    - Brigitte
      
      You’re not related to Mac Davis by any chance?
      
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      August 16, 2017 7:25pm
- RF
  
  The former Police liaision officer was Gary Knowles.
  
  Better known as the OC of Pike River Mine disaster.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:32pm
Andrei

Is it a memorial to Brave SS Men Andrei?

Are you really that stupid?

Apparently so sigh
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August 16, 2017 7:23pm
- Gabby
  
  Is that a da?
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:31pm
Andrei

Isn’t it odd that after eight years of an “African American” president that race relations in the USA are at the worst they have been since the 1960s if not longer
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August 16, 2017 8:19pm
- Gabby
  
  The Dooks of Hazard County certainly didn’t take kindly to it.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:32pm
- realityczech
  
  Obama appointed as race ambassador a man who had publicly called for the killing of crackers and cops, Al Sharpton. He openly supported BLM even after they carried out mass killing of crackers and cops. His support continued when a white disabled kid was kidnapped and tortured by the same group.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:38pm
  - Gabby
    
    So a statue of Al is out of the question then.
    
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    August 16, 2017 8:52pm
RF

Have I missed something.

I have lost count but figure Labours promises must be in the billions.

Where is this money coming from ?
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August 16, 2017 8:26pm
- Gabby
  
  Your shout, rf rf. It’s out with the prozzy protection fund I’m afraid.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:33pm
- mikenmild
  
  You are extremely fortunate that we have the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’. They have helpfully constructed a graphic that counts every promise to spend anything as a ‘bribe’.
  Promises of tax cuts are not, of course, a ‘bribe’. They are an incentive for taxpayers to work harder so that their success may serve as an example to the idle.
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:40pm
  - Gabby
    
    Bridges don’t count either.
    
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    August 16, 2017 8:51pm
- stigie
  
  “Where is this money coming from ?”
  
  From you and me and all the other poor suckers !~
  
  “Lets tax it”
  
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  August 16, 2017 8:41pm
nasska

What goes Clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop BANG!! Clippety clop clippety clop clippety clop clippety clop clippety clop clippety clop ?……

An Amish drive by shooting.
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August 16, 2017 8:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  How come they are allowed guns but not internal combustion engines? Or man-on-man action? Did God command progress to stop in 1800?
  
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  August 16, 2017 9:30pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Here’s a handy chart if you want to work out which Amish sect to join and still be able to use certain tech. The revisionists are allowed to use flush loos.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_life_in_the_modern_world#Use_of_technology_by_different_Amish_affiliations
    
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