General Debate 11 August 2017

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waikatogirl

Let’s do it
Let’s tax it
Let’s clip it (water tax royalty to Maori)
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August 11, 2017 9:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  Let’s give it to Iwi.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:07am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Is more money going to help the “iwi”?
    How are “iwi” members doing compared with non-iwi Maori?
    If the iwi are doing well, shouldn’t the money be better spent trying to provide better hand-ups to Maori (who seem to feature so poorly in the statistics and welfare data).
    Maybe the iwi don’t need the money so much.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:12am
    - starboard
      
      I can hear the howls of racism already.
      Is that the only word the stone agers know, that and gimmee.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:18am
      - VicParking
        
        Don’t forget “More”
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:42am
    - cmm
      
      There are three sides to this, that are independent.
      
      1) Is it morally the right thing to take stuff from one group of people and give it to another group of people? We could argue that for ages, depending on how you look at property rights.
      
      2) Is it the right thing for the country as a whole to take resources (money) away from productive elements in society and divert it into non-productive elements of society? Clearly not.
      
      3) Do all the race-based hand-outs actually help Maori? I don’t think so. It seems to just reinforce a victimhood culture that Maori can’t achieve anything on a level playing field and need a golf handicap to be able to cope.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:27am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Welcome to the New Zealand Socialist Welfare State™
        
        We are here to help (everyone but you).
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:32am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        One would need to look carefully at the Iwi culture and see what its relationship with non-iwi Maori culture is.
        I suspect that there is a symbiotic (or a parasitic) relationship in which the Iwi-Maori utilize the poor performance of non-Iwi Maori to appeal to the State (non-Maori) for funding.
        In such a relationship, it would not be in the interest of the Iwi-Maori to change the status quo.
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:35am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Is it morally the right thing to take stuff from one group of people and give it to another group of people?”
        
        The answer is “Yes,” if you believe that:
        a) the “haves” are oppressing the “have-nots” (i.e. the “haves” are somehow the badies), and
        b) “equality of outcomes” is virtuous.
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:40am
      - cmm
        
        Odakyu-sen:
        
        Sure handouts can result in some short-term material “equal outcomes”. eg. everyone now has a car and a computer.
        
        But what about long term outcomes? Are we seeing a corresponding inter-generational shift or is the dependence on special treatment just getting entrenched?
        
        A “hand out” is not the same as a “hand up”.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:20am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yep and PI’s as a group seem to do better than Maori in NZ. Special treatment for Maori is creating worse outcomes.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:01pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        cmm, morals do not come into it. The question is, should the creation be allowed to become greater than the creator?
        For instance, I cannot coerce you into giving me money. You can refuse, and there will be no punishment. However, I can get a group of people to vote to coerce you into giving money, and vote to punish you if you don’t.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:26pm
    - kowtow
      
      They don’t need money.
      
      They’re opposing iron sand mining off Taranaki .
      
      They must be so rich to be able to tell all industry to fuck off.
      
      Rich off the back of the rest of the country, thank you very much.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:55am
      - GazzaW
        
        You only have to look at the thriving township of Patea to see why South Taranaki doesn’t need 600 new pay packets coming in each week.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:44am
    - PhilBest
      
      Exactly, National pandering to “Iwi” is a ridiculous way to try and get votes from anyone but a few luvvy SJW suburban housewives. Real Maori at the grassroots of society vote like any other Kiwis at the same socio-economic level. They don’t see any benefit from Iwi Mafia being set up to rent-seek and ticket-clip, in fact they suffer the same negative consequences (eg for the economy) that all NZ-ers do.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:56am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        I’ll let you in on a little secret Philbest.
        
        It is all a dog and pony show
        
        The Politicians act and the media plays them up to be vastly different beasts but National, Labour and the Greens all have exactly the same planned destination for NZ. It’s just a matter of the path they take us there. They all agree substantially that mass 3rd world immigration is good for us, our existing debt based monetary system, cultural marxism is the only social way forward, Climate Change is going to destroy us and that the people who founded and created this country (White men) are literally the devil incarnate.
        
        New World Order, Brave New World, Airstrip One, call it what you will – the script is written pal.
        
        You are literally a Nazi if you oppose it.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:40am
      - VicParking
        
        Its expensive to service a BMW.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:44am
      - Scott
        
        EAD Two – You were going so well until your last sentence – “you are literally a Nazi if you oppose it”.
        
        The trouble is that you are literally a National Socialist. You argued just yesterday that Hitler was the injured party and didn’t really want to start World War II but was provoked by aggression from the Allied powers?
        
        Can I just say that National Socialism is a dead end. Can I just say that your view of the Jews is completely wrong.
        
        The idea that the Jews are a secret conspiracy responsible for all of the worlds ills is just nonsense.
        
        Can I suggest reading the Bible? I think you’ll find it is preferable to Mein Kampf and a bit more uplifting can I suggest?
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:10am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        @ Scott
        
        The surprising thing (for you) is I have read the bible back to front. If one critically reads the Bible, there is no other way one can interpret it as anything other than Jesus telling the Jews the errors of their ways and they hated him for it and had him killed.
        
        1 Thessalonians 2:14-15
        
        For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone
        
        In particular, I recommend you read the book of John. Start at John 5:16 all the way through to John 19:18.
        
        http://truthinhistory.org/jewish-hatred-against-jesus-christ.html
        
        Jews, if you ask them about Jesus, loathe him and his teachings and with rare exception, always express disgust and hatred at Jesus Christ and Christianity. Indeed the only racial Jews they don’t permit to return to Israel are those who believe in Jesus!
        
        Christians in Israel are heavily persecuted and are regularly spat at, their Christian symbols banned and their Churches firebombed.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html
        
        http://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:25pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Scott,
        
        I know you will not like the truths that I tell but I can accept that. Jesus himself faced the wrath of the Jews for telling them truths they did not like to hear:
        
        John 8:37-45
        
        37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.” 39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:31pm
    - freethinker
      
      Is IWI shorthand for I Want It – applicable to anything Maori see as a source of cash??
      
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      August 11, 2017 12:47pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Yes, why do you ask a question that we all know the answer to?
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:05pm
  - Gabby
    
    Finkyson’s done that.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Who will take over from Finlayson if Labour/Greens/Winston take over.
      Turei will be reinstated as she will be ideal for the job clipping part of every move.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:42am
  - PhilBest
    
    “Let’s give it to Iwi.”
    
    You mean National is not already doing that? Even outflanking Helen Clark on the cultural-Marxist Left, in fact….
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah – they already own all the water that arrives in New Zealand (est 400 Trillion litres pa NIWA).
    Next it will be the air.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:39am
    - cmm
      
      You don’t recall that they do own the air?
      
      Back in the 1990s (IIRC) there was a push for Maori to collect rent on all radio/TV transmissions because they were going through Moari-owned air.
      
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      August 11, 2017 11:07am
      - MH
        
        and they went wireless years before copper was in vogue.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:52pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Remember a Tom Scott cartoon from long ago, where a bunch of Maori were about to go into a Parliament Committee Hearing room, and one of them was saying to the others, “remember, when we claim the air, you are all to keep a straight face”!
        
        I would presume that Scott now would be careful not to rock the boat with his progressive comrades, now that we are so far into the new progressive “enlightenment”.
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:11pm
  - sooty
    
    No, its kiwi!
    
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    August 11, 2017 11:19am
- holysheet
  
  Lets stuff it all up.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:08am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let’s not vote for Jacinderella.
    TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:13am
    - Gabby
      
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      TULIXPU !!! !!! !
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:38am
      - thedavincimode
        
        The coprophagia is storng with this one.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:29am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Does she? I’m glad she resigned!
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        TulipX – blue for U
        
        https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/73/3e/da/733eda24c7730d560952b622774fac66.jpg
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:43am
    - starboard
      
      1 vote Nat
      1 vote Act
      
      Liarbor-lite need to be reigned in.
      Winstons a drunk.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:55am
      - PhilBest
        
        Like it very much.
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        All the ACT supporters must be on here.
        0.6% is not going to cut it.
        And I say that as a former ACT member.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:04am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        1 vote Nat
        1 vote NZF
        
        Liarbor-lite need to be reigned in.
        Seymour’s a liberal.
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:40pm
    - oldpark
      
      Especially when she has come out flying a flag for the benefit thief Materialistic Turei,and says she should get some type of recognition ,for her 15 years service in Parliament.
      Ardern conveniently with her bias towards Lie-bour/Green and support for that corrupt party,overlooks the truth,that if Materialistic Turei had been caught with her theft of taxpayers funds in 1993/8 she would not have been in parliament,to live the good taxpayer funded lifestyle ,she had become accustomed to .
      Maybe Ardern could nominate her for New Years Honours awards.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:01am
      - sooty
        
        Yes. The recognition is the arse! The thieving, fraudster.
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:23am
      - freethinker
        
        Tureis, reward for 15 years in Parliament should be 15 years free holiday at Her Majesty’s expense.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:50pm
    - oldpark
      
      Captain Mainwaring
      .An Auckland newspaper today released a poll on who is the most trust worthy to deliver their promises.
      Bill English came out on top,and if elected will “deliver” tax cuts to NZ taxpayers, and an extra$13 a week to old age pensioners,and Superannuates in April.Who survive on fixed incomes
      Ms Ardern came second, and if elected will “cancel” tax cuts to NZ taxpayers, and an extra $13 a week to old age pensioners and Superannuates,who survive on fixed incomes.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:11am
    - KevOB
      
      ☑️☑️
      
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      August 11, 2017 12:38pm
  - Gabby
    
    Finkyson’s done that too.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:43am
- pdm
  
  Lets do it:
  
  Lets get interest rates back to 10%.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Lets not.
  
  Fuck iwi
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:30am
  - Gabby
    
    Finkyson again.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    What’s your point? Vote Labour in the hope that they will undo some of National’s shameless creation of an Iwi Mafia with powers of obstruction and shakedown over the productive economy?
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:58am
Dafixeruppa

Good morning all.
I was thinking this morning about what Shaw really is within the Greens, then I realised…
If you think about most of the smaller imported cars, they have this funny spare tyre called a space saver.
It’s sole purpose is for use in an emergency to allow you to limp home slowly, rather than be stranded in limbo somewhere.
I think Shaw is a space saver.
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August 11, 2017 9:07am
- holysheet
  
  I think Shaw is a space saver, without the space.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:10am
  - cmm
    
    And certainly no saving.
    
    The analogy would work a lot better if Shaw could drive!
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:14am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      That was in part the reason for the analogy 🙂
      And Holysheet, I would have thought he was the space saver without the saver
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:26am
  - starboard
    
    Hasn’t he got 2 mothers? No wonder he’s a soft cock.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:29am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s the point of a space saver. Holy shit.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:39am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Considering how many times a day Gabby signs off his comments with Holy sh*t, I am thinking he is trying to create a new name for himself.
      I would have thought solely sh*t would be a better name for you Gabby.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:45am
      - waikatogirl
        
        I would have thought solely sh*t would be a better name for you Gabby.
        
        I would have thought ‘Pathetic’ would be a better name for you Gabby. ?
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:50am
      - Gabby
        
        I thpught dafukkauppa might work but it’s too close to fuckknuckle.
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:54am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah “Gobby’s shit”is more like it.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:43am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        It used to be Gabby, but then I grew up.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:48am
    - Gabby
      
      That’s wakko, girl.
      
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      August 11, 2017 9:55am
      - softail 1450
        
        Not only are you on the liquor but you must have masochistic tendencies, is it your daily wish to try for more dislikes than the previous day ?
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:18am
- MickMac
  
  Fixa
  you are probably correct.
  he’s there to show the electorate that they have a young, thinking, strong, respectful, metrosexual man leading them.
  
  Meanwhile in the background…….
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:57am
- GazzaW
  
  Space cadet would be more appropriate.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:53am
- Rachael Membery
  
  An heir and a spare?
  
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  August 11, 2017 4:25pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95669686/man-dies-after-car-hits-tree-in-auckland

Yet another tree, irresponsibly planted by an uncaring council, kills an upstanding member of society.

C’mon stuff: get rid of this passive reporting. Cars don’t hit trees, twat drivers don’t drive to conditions.
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August 11, 2017 9:13am
tvb

Turei is a very practiced liar and manipulator and her caucus colleagues should have known that. Shaw has been made to look weak and feeble by her so her damage to the Green Party continues. He did say that the media were entitled to ask the hard questions. But why did not he when it was obvious those questions should be asked as her story began to unravel. Her damage is immense. I note she continues to stand in a seat in the general election presumably so she can collect the 3 month redundancy pay. The woman has no shame.
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August 11, 2017 9:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  I assume the pressure on Me Tu will continue with her admitted benefit and electoral fraud being thoroughly investigated, and whatever results from that investigation. I would hate to see it all quietly swept under the mat now that she has stepped aside.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:26am
  - calendar girl
    
    Will KBers allow Turei’s frauds to be “all swept under the mat”? It would be disappointing and unprincipled if that came about.
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:55am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I agree cg, but look at that paedophile immigrant, father of one of the Afghani interpreters who has been allowed to stay on the basis that he doesn’t offend again. See how soon we forget our outrage, I can’t even remember his name. Even starboard’s outstanding efforts have faded.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:11am
- niggly
  
  I heard Shaw on Morning Report saying the media were entitled to ask the hard questions (and apparently he’s told his fellow Green comrades not to blame the media)!
  
  Looks like Shaw is in damage control – I think the background to all this is … I heard Barry Soper having his ZB Drive Show chat yesterday with the host (Smalley) and Soper said that he and Julie-Anne Genter crossed paths at parliament yesterday and apparently Genter was somewhat hostile saying something like (from memory) “well are you satisfied now?” (or it may have simply been “satisfied?”), to which Soper replied “what?” (as in what do you mean).
  
  In essence Genter was blaming Soper and the Media for Turei’s demise! (Remember the Greens were first hostile against Soper a couple of weeks ago when he first ‘dared’ to question Turei’s narrative and they apparently hissed at him! They probably have his picture on their dart board – well assuming they haven’t banned darts in their workplace because darts “promote macho aggression”)!
  
  So there we go, and one can definitely lump the likes of Julie-Anne Genter in the fruit-loopey it’s the Media fault camp, alongside those other Green MP’s and wannabe MP’s (apart from Kennedy and Clendon), plus whoever those Green Party apparatchiks were who were sending the expletive Twitter posts the other day!
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:37am
  - Peter
    
    It didn’t take much pressure for the Greens to crack like walnuts.
    
    The media asked obvious questions. Turei could not answer them. End of story. If you can’t handle that, you certainly cannot handle power.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:03am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “It didn’t take much pressure for the Greens to crack like walnuts.”
      
      Watermelons have pretty soft shells.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:07am
    - kowtow
      
      No , it took a friend of the family who went to John Campbell to say the family were mightily pissed off with the deceitful picture MT was painting of her circumstances.
      Cambo put it to MT and that was the killer blow. She could lie no more. But then she tried to defend her quitting as about defending her family’s privacy …….when she created the whole issue. he still handled her with kid gloves and really pulled his punches , you could hear he really hadn’t wanted that scalp!
      
      The media were shit scared of going after her , they didn’t want to be seen as racists giving a Maori woman a hard time!
      
      Well fuck that ,they are racists , they go for the jugular when it’s a white male. Brash , Barclay and they tried it on with Teflon John (Key) but he’s so popular nothing could stick.
      
      The media are cowards , racists and hypocrites.
      
      Fuck ’em.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:24am
      - Kimbo
        
        You acknowledge that the media questioning brought her down, and now, like Winston Peters you are still complaining when you got what you wanted?! 😉
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:47am
      - kowtow
        
        kimbo
        
        A wee bit more nuanced than you put it.
        She was not brought down till the family went to the media. The media didn’t go to the family.
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:10am
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough but I fear you overlook that Campbell could have sat on it…
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:12am
      - Duxton
        
        Thanks, kowtow. I’ll put you down as a ‘Maybe’.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:14pm
      - kowtow
        
        duxton
        
        Maybe what?
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:12pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Julie-Anne Genter is often hailed as one of the more intelligent Greens. God save us from American carpet-baggers. She needs to go home and sort out her own country instead of preaching to us with her self-righteous rants on the evils of car ownership.
    
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    August 11, 2017 11:05am
  - KevinH
    
    If it’s one thing we’ve learned about the Greens in the last week is that they live in a bubble and are out of touch with mainstream New Zealand.
    They are truly clueless.
    Genter’s terse exchange with Soper illustrates the lack of comprehension the Greens possess regarding public opinion.
    Politics is not for the fainthearted, everyone is judging you. Every word that you speak publicly is deconstructed, analysed, interpreted, debated. That comes with the territory of being a politician.
    
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    August 11, 2017 12:45pm
  - niggly
    
    Genter to Soper: “Feeling vindicated?” (oops not “… satisfied now?”)!
    
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/larry-williams-drive/audio/barry-soper-on-a-tumultuous-24-hours-in-politics/
    
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    August 11, 2017 6:03pm
- Huevon
  
  Turei has been canonized by the Left. A martyr of Racism, Patriarchy and Neoliberalism. We will never hear the end of it…
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:40am
  - PhilBest
    
    Exactly, but we are seeing foolish young people support this kind of loony socialist politics all over the world, think Sanders in the USA and Corbyn in the UK.
    
    I partly blame the RINOs and Cameroons who allowed the political spectrum to be ratcheted so far to the Left, that the logical “next stage” for the Left is loonier-than-ever socialism and loonier-than-ever moral standards (trannies rights, now). Same thing with John Key National here, it didn’t surprise me that the loony Left was bold enough to set up Metiria as the poster child for the “need for reform” in the direction of lavish lifestyle-choice welfare.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:03am
- Paulus
  
  And Jacinderella wants now to Sanctify Turei.
  How sad that she should think like that.
  What platform is Cindy on ?
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:46am
  - GazzaW
    
    Platform 6 with a one way ticket on the Trans-Siberian Express…… I wish.
    
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    August 11, 2017 11:07am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I think it is great, they are still joined at the hip. MOU all going strong too. Hardly could be called distancing herself.
    
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    August 11, 2017 4:37pm
- Chris R
  
  Yes; but should Jacinda get to be PM she may well pardon her (still) friend Meteria. That act alone would earn her the ridicule she so thoroughly deserves. (pardoning Nixon was a bad move for Gerald Ford.)
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:29pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/95660018/social-media-bunfight-over-wellington-burger-with-offensive-name

Outrage alert – social justice warrior slams father for naming a burger after his daughter! This is a snap shot of what will be become the norm under a labour green govt – expect the tooth fairy to create some sort of moral police akin to Saudi arabia to punish anyone who offends the most delicate in society… On a serious note, why wont the sjw apologise?????
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August 11, 2017 9:15am
- labrator
  
  Everything wrong with twitter and social justice warriors in one tweet. Very freudian how she intimated statutory rape from a child and an ingredient’s name. She didn’t even have the decency to apologise, just doubled down… She must have been reading Turei’s playbook on how to fail spectacularly when exiting your echo chamber!
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:38am
- Gabby
  
  There will be no burgers to name anyone after old mucker, don’t delude yourself.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:42am
- CHFR1
  
  The comments on the story give me hope though.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Clearly I’ll make no friends for this, but I actually agree that “Lolita Popper” is a really creepy name.
  
  Nor do I think it’s that much of a stretch. “Lolita” is very well established as a term for an under-age female object of sexual desire and I frankly am puzzled that anybody would call their daughter that. Certainly, it’s a pretty name, but then “Adolf” has a long history and is handsome enough as a name, and you won’t find many Germans calling their sons that. There is simply no getting around the fact that it’s got connotations that an innocent child should not be saddled with.
  
  Now either Ekim was perfectly well aware of all this when he decided to call a burger “Lolita Popper”, or he wasn’t.
  
  If he wasn’t, then is it really so wrong to point out to him that he may inadvertently have said something liable to the worst of interpretations?
  
  If he was, then he’s deliberately associated himself, his business and his family with the most repulsive of sins and should most definitely be called out for it.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:48pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Lolita is a 1955 novel written by Russian American novelist Vladimir Nabokov. The novel is notable for its controversial subject: the protagonist and unreliable narrator—a middle-aged literature professor called Humbert Humbert—is obsessed with the 12-year-old Dolores Haze, with whom he becomes sexually involved after he becomes her stepfather. “Lolita” is his private nickname for Dolores. The novel was originally written in English and first published in Paris in 1955 by Olympia Press. Later it was translated into Russian by Nabokov himself and published in New York in 1967 by Phaedra Publishers.
    
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    August 11, 2017 2:17pm
cmm

I notice a serial down-ticker has just been through and down-ticked every comment.

It’s going to take something a bit more logical than a downtick to change what I think.
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August 11, 2017 9:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  This idiot is here most days.
  Just ignore him.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:25am
- labrator
  
  I’m actually a little disappointed when I don’t get a downtick… It’s like I didn’t make a clear enough point for them to get offended at…
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:39am
  - Biscuit
    
    Labrator, I was so tempted to be the first to downtick you, heh heh, but I restrained myself!
    
    (EDIT: And, sheesh, I see someone HAS just downticked you)
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:51am
    - labrator
      
      It’s made my day! I like to pretend it’s Green party voter and they’re spending time downticking to help numb the pain of their party’s nosedive into oblivion…
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:01am
      - PhilBest
        
        Some of us wear downticks from Vichy National politics-of-expedience droids as just as much of a badge of honour as downticks from loony watermelons.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:04am
      - Biscuit
        
        Sniff, my comment is clearly so innocuous that not even your Green party voter example cares to mark me down.
        
        Lemme put on my Wussell Normin whine:
        
        GIMME MY DOWNTICK!
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:17am
      - thedavincimode
        
        I’m ya huckleberry Biscuit.
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:32am
    - Happychappy
      
      Biscuit I have hit the report button on your post below please accept my opology.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:29am
      - Biscuit
        
        Heh heh, Happychappy, been there, done that myself!
        
        I’d better send the site owner that pic of me in my DPF IS WONDERFUL boxers so he doesn’t slap me with a warning or 69…
        
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        August 11, 2017 10:47am
- GazzaW
  
  Could it be ztev or stephieboy expressing himself in the only way possible at the tailend an extended stay in the bin?
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:15am
Happychappy

How can James Shaw continue to have any mana in NZ Politics when he has been the one to commit Fraud also, yes it wasn’t benefit fraud but it was fraud by using Turei story to mislead the Public and gather more votes. A few days after Turei told her story and the public was up in the air in disgust of her admission they benefited from that poll and Labour went to 23% but he stood by her side and defended theft and knowingly accepting their was doubt the truth was Being told. The reward is fraud as you have not been truthful about the facts and mislead the Public for political gain and that is as bad as Turei and her orchestrated fraud against Social Welfare.
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August 11, 2017 9:20am
- Sublime
  
  Someone carrying a larger stick is standing over him, and/or he’s hamstrung by the party poobahs who are firmly in camp Metiria.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:28am
- Biscuit
  
  Exactly, Happy.
  
  Shaw got up and asked a Question at Question Time yesterday.
  
  Someone on the National benches made an (inaudible) remark, presumably referencing Me Tu.
  
  Shaw laughed it off by accusing the interjector of being ‘defensive, are we?’
  
  The person coming across as being ‘defensive’ WASN’T the National guy.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:55am
krazykiwi

Never been keen on the death penalty. But I’d re-consider that position for people smugglers who extort money for safe passage, then dump their desperate customers into the sea. Perhaps the Saudi’s could help restore order in Yemen, rather than bombing civilians to the point when they’ll risk everything, and in many cases pay with their lives, in attempting to escape.
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August 11, 2017 9:20am
- cmm
  
  From what I understand the “dump them in the sea” is part of how the whole operation works.
  
  As soon as another vessel (eg. the NGO vessels laid on for the purpose) gets within hailing range, they scuttle the boats and the other vessels are then forced to pick them up (otherwise they can be charged under maritime law for failing to help distressed people at sea).
  
  Under international law they are now under the flag of the vessel. ie. if they are in a French ship it is as if they have now landed on French soil.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:45am
  - PhilBest
    
    The point still stands that they deliberately dump people in the sea, and that should be taken as a literal basis for prosecution, so as to provide the needed disincentive. That was a good suggestion.
    
    Just because there are lifeguards present on the beach, doesn’t make it non-prosecutable to push someone who can’t swim, off their lilo.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:08am
    - cmm
      
      I am not saying it is right to dump people into the sea, but that’s part of the process that these people sign up to. It is how the whole system works.
      
      To use your analogy: the person on the lilo that gets pushed off has willingly gone into a game of push-me-off-the-lilo.
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:47am
  - Peter
    
    They need to adopt Australia’s approach.
    
    Rent some cheap land in Africa. That is where they will be processed. Not in Europe.
    
    The problem will cease within weeks.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:24am
    - kowtow
      
      No processing , they can sort their own shit out.
      
      A lot of those places waged bloody terrorist campaigns to ‘liberate” themselves from evil whitey. They all wanted “indepenance” , white man go home.
      Now they’re literally dying to get into Europe and turn the great continent into the third world shit hole they’re running from.
      
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      August 11, 2017 11:33am
- kowtow
  
  The death penalty needs to be applied to the politicians in Europe who by allowing illegal immigrants to land and stay are literally encouraging even more to try and die. Not to mention the massive burden on their own citizens taxes.
  
  It’s not hard , Australia has stopped them . Europe can too.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:06am
  - PhilBest
    
    It really is a form of treason.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:09am
  - Kimbo
    
    kowtow – get a grip. You may have points-of-view with which I disagree – fair enough and good onya for that,- but you are not on the level of grubs like howitis and holysheet, calling for the death of politicians elected in a free and democratic election in modern Western nations. You are better than that.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Those politicians are literally responsible for the thousands of deaths in the Med .
      
      By allowing the influx they are also responsible for the terrorism we see .And the sharp increase in criminality.
      
      They are also responsible for the collapsing state of their countries finances and therefor also the collapse of the health and welfare systems that took decades to build.
      
      Yes it would be impossible to put them on trial for that , but I hold they deserve to be . It’s called treachery. In time of war the punishment would be death . That’s what they deserve, but alas , it won’t happen .And there is a war , not a hot one , but a slow burning cultural , civilisational war.
      
      Get a grip ? Europe needs to get a grip.
      
      Right now there’s a slow but long running death of the continent , despite all the problems Turkey now has under its Islamic despot the same politicians who should be in the dock for treachery are still keen on 70 million Anatolian Muslim peasants having free movement to Europe.
      
      Get a grip indeed.
      
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      August 11, 2017 11:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        kowtow, I agree with you that their policy is flawed, and while those who inadvertently encourage illegal immigrants by failing to take firm and decisive actions to discourage it bear a secondary responsibility for the deaths and social strife that ensues
        
        …nonetheless, as elected officials whose policies are open to public scrutiny and review at the ballot box
        
        …calling for their execution is the act of a grub – and as I said before, you are better than that. The nations to which you refer no longer live in the era of “taxation without representation”, nor under martial law, therefore appeals to sic semper tyrannis are not applicable.
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:30am
      - kowtow
        
        kimbo
        
        France , is under a state of emergency. How’s that .
        
        Blair ,whom the media adored (initially till Iraq) was literally conspiring with his cabinet against the interests of the British people. They had a secret agenda that was never shared with the electorate.
        
        Merkels decision to open the borders was illegal and never put to the people.
        
        In their own ways these politicians are tyrants who don’t give a shit about their own people.
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:06pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough, kowtow. All bullshit arguments, which, even if true do not alter the fact those policies and actions can be reversed…at the ballot box. But as you’ve decided to double down, and much to my regret, I’ve decided to consign you to the collection of grubs.
        
        Not that it is likely any skin off your nose.
        
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        August 11, 2017 12:17pm
- VicParking
  
  Wrong branch of Islam, sorry, they will just bomb and bomb.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:52am
Biscuit

Anyone else been watching the Valedictory speeches given in Parliament this week and last by Members who are retiring at this Election?

You don’t tend to learn anything TOO new – although the various anecdotes do tend to amuse.

Maurice Williamson’s one was good (hell, he even got a chuckle from St. Winston!) and so too were those by Lindsay Tisch and Jo Goodhue.

Best of the lot (yep, this is me praising a Reddie! Well, a Reddie not playing for Liverpool!) was Annette King’s last night.
https://youtu.be/hlsEeZXp7C4

Love the way Mrs King waits and waits and waits until her family and friends, her grandson included, find seats in the Public Gallery!

(Caution: The King clip begins with a rather horrific couple of seconds of the rear end of a certain disgraced benefit fraudster. Parental discretion (and a handy bucket) are recommended)
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August 11, 2017 9:25am
- VicParking
  
  I notice shaw was to scared to take her seat until she left the chamber.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:55am
- Duxton
  
  I noticed how long she waited before beginning, as well.
  
  Knowing how much it costs to run Parliament, I thought what a wonderful illustration of trougher mentality it was. You could also see her thinking, ‘someone else is paying, so I’m not concerned.’
  
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  August 11, 2017 12:23pm
  - Biscuit
    
    A bit harsh, Duxton.
    
    I’m no leftie, ha, but Annette’s well-crafted speech came after another Valedictory.
    
    That Valedictorian’s supporters had to vacate their spots in the Visitors Galleries to make way for Annette’s friends and family – I see Darren Hughes came all the way from London, good on him – and, if you’ve ever been in those Galleries, you’d know that they were NOT built with easy access (either in or out) in mind!
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:03pm
  - Gabby
    
    She was thinking, Thank fux Duxton isn’t here. Creep creeps me out.’ I could hear her.
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:35pm
Sublime

NZ elections. A glance back at some of the more memorable bits …

2011: The Epsom tea party incident.

2014: Kim Dotcom/Internet-Mana, the Dirty Politics sideshow.

2017: Little resigns leadership only a month-and-a-bit out, the Turei benefit and electoral fraud controversy, the Barclay tape(s) incident.

An escalation of sorts over time. Wonder what’s next?! 🙂
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August 11, 2017 9:25am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Hagar!
  
  Won’t be a ‘real election’ until we get a ‘revelation’ that will undoubtedly denigrate the National team or team player; an expose of Bill and a packet of three or something perhaps
  
  No show without Punch!
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:11am
  - Happychappy
    
    PG: He is pissed as he produced a book to do a hit on John Key at this election and lost a lot of credibility with the story for the distorted truth that it portrayed by releasing it early.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:22am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That was great! Somebody may have been killed in a war zone, it was really news! Went down really well, just like all his other tomes.
      
      Available in the Red Shed in the $1.99 bin along with all the other out of date confectionery.
      
      This year election hit book will be slim, double spaced, big type and a colouring section with crayons from Macca’s to fill out the content a bit
      
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      August 11, 2017 10:32am
      - sooty
        
        He’s had to rewrite his book six times as all the story keeps changing. Hows a snowflake ment to earn a living.
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:56am
Anne Glen Eden

NZ women should be ashamed. They’re voting for Ardern because she’s a woman?

What? They ‘adore’ the latte/wine sipping fraternity, who are in it ‘for a good time, not a long time’. Then there’s those earning a good living looking forward to a huge pay rise when they become ‘equal’ with men.

And so they should be – but that does nothing for the poor and vulnerable in society – the working and non-working poor, the ill, and the elderly, irrespective of their gender. All of them will be vastly worse off with more taxes. Of course, those who suffer most, as always, will be children – those lucky enough to born anyway.

Her story of school in Morrinsville was completely appropriate – I would have agitated for girls to wear trousers as well. However, that isn’t running the school for the educational and social benefit of ALL the students on all levels. The purpose of a school is education, not clothing – it’s a frippery. Did she pay any attention to attainment levels, etc.? Or was it all about clothing and being female?

Activists need to be seen and heard; they should not be in government and governance. Government is about administering society for all people, most particularly to ensure everyone participates in their own governance and everyone has a basic decent quality of life.

The test of its success is how it treats its most vulnerable – and they are not ‘cheerful, relentlessly optimistic, grinning’ young women who don’t have a care in the world but think they’re qualified because they used to run the world Red youth division.

Care of the environment is great – but first you have to provide adequate care of men, women, and children.

This ‘champion’ has come out with two policies so far, both of which are going to impact directly to make the lives of those with less worse. And not really improve society in any way. It’s an appeal to women who already have ‘enough’ and want more.
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August 11, 2017 9:26am
- Gabby
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You’re way way better than jizzyjocks.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I actually like and read Annes’s posts.
    
    Anne’s posts are invariably well constructed, well construed, well considered and actually have a point.
    
    Yours, on the other hand, not so much.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:19am
    - Gabby
      
      That’s what I just said Puller you throbbing fookknoockle.
      
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      August 11, 2017 5:32pm
- PhilBest
  
  Good to get these brave contributions – another Anne, the great Coulter, wrote a whole column once on how creeping loony socialism wouldn’t exist at all in the democratic world if only males voted.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:12am
- KKKKatee
  
  Ardern won’t get my vote just because she’s the new poster girl for Labour. She won’t get my vote because I actually see her as incompetent and, also, I’m never a fan of anti-establisment agitators – think Sue Bradford, Laila Harre etc. Jacindarella is tarred with the same red brush imo. It’s a shame that so many women are gullible and can’t see what her agenda is.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:12am
  - KevOB
    
    Yes.
    Do you have any explanation for these women? What drives them as activists? What are they really protesting against?
    
    I am wondering if there is a genetic group involved.
    We have a not dissimilar example in male trade union rowdies some of whom are violent.
    
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    August 11, 2017 12:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    Watch it Comrade as she is liked to call people – especially when she is overseas in her Young Socialist (Communist) capacity.
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:13pm
  - starboard
    
    How dare you talk about Comrade Cindy ( CC ) like that
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:05pm
- PhilBest
  
  Some years after 2002, I read an opinion by a US columnist that of all the gender-based voting biases, the absolute extreme outcome always happens when the man standing against the woman, has sired a large family with a wife who is near-invisible to the public eye. I thought, hmmm, 2002 in NZ….
  
  One corollary is that a male politician who has had a nice little planned family with a wife who obviously shares the trousers in the relationship, doesn’t suffer as much loss of woman voters. And it seems from recent election results in the west, that a male politician being gay brings an advantage with women voters. This may be Labour’s future winning gambit if Jacinda doesn’t cut it.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:19am
- mandk
  
  Of course the worst thing about Ardern is that she fails the Mallard suitability test by virtue of being childless.
  
  Are you there, Trev?
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:21am
Chuck Bird

Good to see someone sticking up for white males.

Tim Beveridge: Play the ball not the man

Personally, I’ve pretty much had a gutsful with arguments and ad hominem attacks that treat an opinion as less valid because the person expressing it happens to be… a white male. Yes, folks, run screaming into the hills right now. But, I have read stories, opinion pieces and countless social media posts criticising people’s ideas, where this argument raises its head solely as a means of discrediting someone’s point of view.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11901789
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August 11, 2017 9:27am
- chris
  
  I can just imagine what the comments would say on that post if they allowed them. The’d be along the lines of “Of course you’d say that, being a white male, you racist, sexist pig!”
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Of course you’d say that, being a white male, you racist, sexist pig!”
    
    Identity politics at its best.
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    August 11, 2017 9:54am
- Peter
  
  Third-wave feminists, and the rather pathetic “sorry for being man” white knighters who encourage them, have become a joke.
  
  They have become the very thing they pretend to rally against. Enough is enough already. Push back.
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:56am
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95670517/mark-lundy-proclaims-innocence-ahead-of-court-of-appeal-hearing

Where are you Notofast? Here’s your chance for more grandstanding.
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August 11, 2017 9:28am
- gravedodger
  
  Shsh you daft bugger.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I suspect Lundy’s lawyers will be tearing their hair out today. Trying to get his case tried in the media when it’s about to be appealed to the Court of Appeal is an incredibly stupid thing to do.
  
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  August 11, 2017 12:55pm
Dafixeruppa

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170809-the-accidental-invention-of-the-illuminati-conspiracy

“Reproduced without permission from the BBC.”

I thought this was an amusing background to conspiracy theories and how they propogate.
It talks to how the Illuminati conspiracy theory was started and then into how governments are using these to control and manipulate people.
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August 11, 2017 9:41am
- PhilBest
  
  While I believe in the leftist “long march through the institutions” and some accuse me of believing a “conspiracy theory” because of it, I don’t believe a word of the grand Illuminati / Freemasons / Zionists global takeover stuff.
  
  I certainly do believe that wealthy individuals and families lavishly fund certain varieties of politics, but they are just being clever capitalists who know how to make money out of mass ignorance. I don’t believe that they conspire together to take over the world, or even to share the loot they create. The kind of money they spend is small change to them anyway and the returns on investment are massive.
  
  For example, a single large property investor in a single city, who understands the connection between “save the planet” urban planning and inflation in the value of his property portfolio, can easily spare millions to fund save-the-planet activism. There is absolutely no need for a global conspiracy connecting all the people with a similar vested interest, to devise an “Agenda 21” to take over the world. That is entirely the work of the useful idiots whose movements they fund, and which build up their own momentum.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:26am
Odakyu-sen

“…how governments are using these to control and manipulate people.”

A conspiracy that the State is using conspiracies to manipulate the public.
Wow! A conspiracy wrapped up inside an enigma nestled in a larger conspiracy!

I love it! Mandelbrot would be proud!
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August 11, 2017 9:46am
- Biscuit
  
  Odakyu-sen, I read this once somewhere:
  
  ‘Conspiracy theories are begun by those in charge so that no-one questions what they are to up to right now.’
  
  Could be, eh?
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:01am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe the people who subscribe to conspiracy theories have a deep-down desire to be “victims” and be “manipulated.”
    After all, it removes them from personal responsibility.
    
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    August 11, 2017 10:29am
- Gruffydd
  
  Fractal wrongness is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person’s worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person’s worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.
  
  The condition of crank magnetism is a gateway into the wonderful world of fractal wrongness, as well as a relatively early warning sign of the risk of impending fractal wrongness.
  
  The term “fractal wrongness” may also be used to refer to someone who is consistently wrong on nearly everything they predict or claim. Repeatedly failing predictions is one of the best ways of revealing fractal wrongness, because while an idiotic worldview may work in someone’s head, it can be seen failing when actually put to the test. Hilariously, people who are consistently wrong tend to be quite confident in their position while championing it.
  
  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:03am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Like Labour every time they call ‘Crisis’.
    
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    August 11, 2017 11:00am
    - Kimbo
      
      Er, Don – as the thread was winding down, you may have missed the response I left you at 11:17pm on the following:
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/nz_herald_on_seymour.html
      
      Am happy to clarify my attitudes to Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholics any time you want, but I take strong issue with your assessment that it entails “Kimbo’s massive bigotry against Catholics…”
      
      If you don’t want that, fine. Nonetheless, I would appreciate an apology and withdraw, thanks very much, and that can be the end of the matter between us.
      
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      August 11, 2017 11:05am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “but I take strong issue with your assessment that it entails “Kimbo’s massive bigotry against Catholics…””
        
        Yes that’s not fair at all. It should be ““Kimbo’s massive bigotry against Catholics, Charismatics, Pentecostals, conservative Christians, conservative nationalists, people concerned about Muslim immigration….”
        
        Try to get it right Don! 🙂
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        What particular bigoted statements would those be, Shawn? You do know that my (reciprocated) lack of respect for you personally does not automatically prove, let alone imply bigotry or complete disdain concerning some or all of the beliefs you have mentioned in their entirety, much less towards the people who hold beliefs such as yours.
        
        Links, dates and times, please…
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:30pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Mmmm. I don’t usually revisit three day old threads.
        
        “…a bit like the Roman Catholic and other churches, you are know what they are going to say before they speak, and no alternate facts will ever change them.”
        
        Seems a bit like a pre-conceived view to me – perhaps massive bigotry was a bit strong. However, usually when you speak like this it does preface a criticism that is subjectively based and often an unwarranted bias.
        I accept that I may have misinterpreted your comment – but hardly any need for the moral outrage and expletives.
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thank you sir, I accept your apology, along with your commentary that I engaged in ” moral outrage and expletives”. Seems a fair way to split it down the middle.
        
        And what I meant was, Rome’s authoritative position is clear cut, and – courtesy of doctrine of papal infallibility (just as traditional Protestants are ruled by “Scripture alone”) -not going to change in the matter of euthanasia. Some details on the perimeters, and in particular real or hypothetical situations may be subject to modification. But not the essential stance. Irrespective of what one thinks concerning euthanasia, or Roman Catholic doctrine, that in and of itself is an uncontroversial statement of fact I would have thought…
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:41pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Thanks Kimbo – fair enough.
        
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        August 11, 2017 1:45pm
RF

The recent surge in popularity for Jacinda reminds me of my mis-spent youth.

You hook up with a new girl and for the first few weeks it’s mad passion day and night and fantastic times had by all. Everything is beautiful as you frolic amongst the lambs in the paddock smelling flowers etc. that bit was for Johnboy…

Then the gloss wears off when you see her early in the morning after a very hard night.

You both realise that there is more than lust in the relationship and you part ways.

Sound familiar ?

How long will Jacinda last ?
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August 11, 2017 10:06am
- BeaB
  
  Sadly quite possibly until after the election.
  Nothing worse than a middle-aged infatuated reporter!
  Male or female.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:20am
- Biscuit
  
  RF, politics is a hard game…
  
  Recent knee-jerk leadership changes by Labour haven’t gone down well … and you have to imagine that, sooner or later, the wise heads they must have there SOMEWHERE will say ‘Look, Jacinda may or may not win this Election but, win, lose or draw, let’s let her grow into her role. 2020, National trying for 5 wins in a row, we’ll romp in!’
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She is just another in the long list of ‘great white hopes’ for the Left. She will have her grace period like the others, but before long the electorate realises that she is just another face for a movement that doesn’t respect or represent their values and aspirations.
  
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  August 11, 2017 12:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  How long did the others? Three months is usually when the shine is well and truly off.
  
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  August 11, 2017 5:26pm
kowtow

If anything epitomises the soft cock left wing attitudes in local gummint these days , it’s this.

“The Dunedin City Council has not ruled out working with Mauri Kohatu Inc in future, despite ongoing brushes with the law by the gang associated with the trust.”…….

…..”During the 2014-15 annual plan hearings, Mr Epere and a representative from the Notorious Mongrel Mob told councillors the two gangs had settled their differences and wanted to change the gangs’ behaviour.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/mauri-kohatu-not-ruled-out
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August 11, 2017 10:10am
- VicParking
  
  Flap flap oink oink
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:58am
Hugh Pavletich

House prices are tumbling in the main centres as the volume of homes being sold takes a dive … REINZ | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/89274/house-prices-are-tumbling-main-centres-volume-homes-being-sold-takes-dive

House prices fell substantially in the main centres last month as sales volumes dried up, according to the latest figures from the Real Estate Institute of NZ.

The REINZ’s national median selling price dropped $28,000, or 5%, to $518,000 in July, down from its peak of $546,000 in March.

It was the fourth consecutive month that the national median price has fallen.

In Auckland the median selling price dropped to $830,000, down by $75,000, or 8%, from its March peak of $905,000. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 11, 2017 10:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  But Hugh,
  It’s the middle of winter…
  If the trend continue through to summer, I will take note.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We know Hugh, we know.
  We read the media too.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:31am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NZ economy: more ponzi than real growth – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/08/nz-economy-ponzi-real-growth/
  
  By Leith van Onselen
  
  Bernard Doyle, a strategist at JBWere, has penned a ripping new report on the New Zealand economy, arguing that rabid population growth is masking underlying weak productivity and poor per capita GDP growth. From Interest.co.nz: … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Wednesday postings …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_9_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1987186
  
  Tuesday postings …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_9_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1986430 … and …
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/general_debate_9_august_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1986694
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:44am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    We know that too.
    
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    August 11, 2017 11:02am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … Labour’s new leader Jacinda Ardern … ‘ Let’s get the basics right …’
      
      Watch: ‘New Zealand is such an optimistic nation’ – Jacinda Ardern says election about getting ‘basics’ right | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-new-zealand-such-optimistic-nation-jacinda-ardern-says-election-getting-basics-right
      
      Newshub-Reid Research poll: Jacinda Ardern brings Labour back | Newshub
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/newshub-reid-research-poll-jacinda-ardern-brings-labour-back.html
      
      The Labour Party is celebrating an explosive boost in support – and it’s all down to the “Ardern Effect”.
      
      In the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll Labour has jumped 9 points up to 33.1 percent.
      
      This is the party’s highest percentage in our polling since January 2014 when it was 33.5 percent.
      
      The Labour Party is celebrating an explosive boost in support – and it’s all down to the “Ardern Effect”.
      
      In the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll Labour has jumped 9 points up to 33.1 percent.
      
      This is the party’s highest percentage in our polling since January 2014 when it was 33.5 percent. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll … Interest Co NZ
      
      http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
      
      Content sourced from Roy Morgan Research
      
      In mid-2017, and only a few months before the upcoming New Zealand Election which according to Roy Morgan is too close to call*, the key Issues for the New Zealand Election are the inter-related issues of Poverty and the gap between rich & poor, House prices & Housing affordability and Housing shortages & Homelessness.
      
      The overall picture across all issues was covered extensively in our release on broader New Zealand Concerns released a fortnight ago and available to view here. We look in this release at Economic & Housing-related concerns in greater detail.
      
      A significant 50% of New Zealanders believe Economic issues (27%) or Housing-related issues (23%) are the most important problems facing New Zealand. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      August 11, 2017 3:14pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … September 2016 polling …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/the-nz-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-labour-polling
        
        … May 2016 polling … access more via GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing … Patrick Gower … Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
        
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        August 11, 2017 3:34pm
      - starboard
        
        ” Hic..hic..”.whaaya say “… hic.”.we’re all doomed.. hic you’ll.. hic..see”…doomed I tells ya..hic..” DOOMED”..
        
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        August 11, 2017 3:48pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Jeremy Loader was looking for an affordable home when he spotted something for under $200,000. …
        
        It takes a warehouse to raise a village … Julie Iles … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/95637462/It-takes-a-warehouse-to-raise-a-village?cid=app-iPad
        
        Modular homes are on the rise as homeowners priced out of the market see it as a cheaper and more adaptable new build.
        
        Thanks to the growing popularity of modular building, a factory in Upper Hutt is churning them out at near capacity.
        
        Matrix Homes is working on 22 homes for a residential “village” in the Wellington suburb of Tawa that will go up in late September. The company ships homes all over New Zealand on the back of a truck for homeowners looking for a quick and easy way to build. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        August 11, 2017 4:48pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        It is very significant current New Zealand Labour Party leader Jacinda Ardern made mention of former leader, the late Norman Kirk …
        
        Norman Kirk – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Kirk
        
        Norman Kirk NZ Prime Minister – Big Norm LP – YouTube … 56 min …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvIqHFBofx8
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?site=&source=hp&q=norman+kirk+&oq=norman+kirk+&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0l4.309579.315665.0.322505.17.14.1.0.0.0.311.2607.2-10j1.11.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..5.11.2331.0..0i131k1.45PjxwY2VH0
        
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        August 11, 2017 6:40pm
      - starboard
        
        “hic..doomed !”…
        
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        August 11, 2017 6:55pm
BeaB

One surprising thing about this week has been the ineptitude of David Parker. He is often touted as the serious policy safe pair of hands and himself told us he has become expert in water rights over the last decade.
But their announcement is amateur, to say the least. Lots of exceptions, lots of gaps, no dollar amounts, no focus, no clear explanation of why we even need the cumbersome apparatus of the state involved in the water that falleth as a gentle rain from heaven. Or as a torrent in many parts of the country.
Paula boxed his ears yesterday in Parliament.
How could one of their few experienced MPs make such a hash of policy he professes to know so much about?
What does this tell us about the competence of the Labour team?
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August 11, 2017 10:27am
- KevOB
  
  DP’s background is law, not commonsense or economics.
  Expect more but thankfully not them in government.
  
  As an opposition Labour are ill prepared to take over the reins. They do not have the advice that Ministers have, a capable background team or the political experience as government. Bold policy announcements without foundation.
  
  The next government may have to be extraordinary to handle the likely global economic difficulties ahead. We have had it good for a while except for some oversized earthquakes. Government is about actual future management not getting bogged down in ideological idealism. identity or rights.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:12pm
rangitoto

I see on the news last night Jacinda didn’t know about yesterdays OCR announcement. I know she said she’s only there for a good time but you would think her handlers would brief her on stuff the beltway media are interested in. Well a good time and emptying your pockets.
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August 11, 2017 10:29am
- kowtow
  
  I saw that . I think it was tv1 doing a puff piece on her saying ‘she hit the campaign trail running’
  Lots of smiling pictures at the fish and chip shop , emotional scenes at alma mater etc.
  
  Not till the very end and very briefly ……. 2 questions put to her , I’m not sure what the 1st was , maybe Korea ,but yes 2 nd was the ocr of which she wasn’t aware.
  
  I thought , oh dear , this girl doesn’t know what’s happening in the country .
  
  The media are protecting her with careful editing .
  
  Had she been a pale stale male from the blue team , it would have been game over.
  
  The failure to answer those two questions would have been front and centre and used to call into question his suitablity to run this country. But no , they gave her a big pass on that one.
  
  Lying, hypocritical , racist , left wing media agenda.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:43am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Don’t they go together? Shit ;).
  
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  August 11, 2017 4:11pm
Southern Raider

Anyone driven through Patea?

Deadbeat no industry town with a Main Street of empty shops

So when someone offer 300 new high paid jobs plus more for the region what do they do . That right they protest to stop it
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August 11, 2017 10:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But if jobs are available they lose the dole if they don’t apply for them.
  Why would they want jobs?
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:34am
- rangitoto
  
  I recall a couple of weeks ago someone rang Newstalk ZB claiming to be owner of a small contracting business. He said he decided to offer the chance of a job to all the down and outs on Queen street telling them that if they were were interested to report to his foreman at 8:00am in the city the next morning. He says that zero turned up. Similar attitude to that town.
  
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  August 11, 2017 10:42am
- VicParking
  
  Just like they protested and striked the freezing works out of their town
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:01am
- Paulus
  
  Unless somebody gives them Koha.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:18pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Aren’t you forgetting Poi E, they should build a shrine for the worshipers.
  
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  August 11, 2017 5:31pm
Manolo

Just replace Shorten by Ardern. The article remains 100% accurate:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/tax-addict/
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August 11, 2017 11:00am
Fletch

The Russia conspiracy takes a hit. A left-leaning news site has published a story around new evidence that the DNC wasn’t hacked at all. It was most likely an inside job, with someone copying data onto a thumb drive. No wonder the DNC wouldn’t let the FBI investigate.

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.

This article is based on an examination of the documents these forensic experts and intelligence analysts have produced, notably the key papers written over the past several weeks, as well as detailed interviews with many of those conducting investigations and now drawing conclusions from them.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

Looks like it is time to end the Mueller probe.
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August 11, 2017 11:14am
- KevOB
  
  There are regretfully too many players who will lose money if peace prevails.
  Ending the Mueller probe will see the SJW’s in the streets.
  Ending Trump will see the nation in the streets.
  
  Our next government may have to deal with the US in turmoil. NK may even be nuked.
  
  Government is not for the faint hearted or inexperienced. Labour would do well not to win. They will be out of their depth.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:17pm
- Paulus
  
  Mueller will find something different and similar to follow.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:21pm
Fletch

The Head of Journalism at Massey University has put together a 400+ page book called, A Moral Truth: 150 Years of Investigative Journalism in New Zealand. This seems interesting, but he includes two articles by Nicky Hager? Really? That hack is no journalist. And nothing by Ian Wishart? Whatever you think of Wishart, he is a better journalist than Hager and more deserving of inclusion. What could have been an interesting book has lost all credibility with the inclusion of Hager.

http://www.masseypress.ac.nz/books/a-moral-truth/
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August 11, 2017 11:25am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  I agree.
  
  But then Ian Wishart IS the ultimate ‘sin’ – he’s a Christian. That is considered to invalidate anything and everything he has ever said, says, and might or will say – by the Liberal / Left media and academia.
  
  The fact that’s he’s rational, truthful, and realistic is completely irrelevant in the modern world.
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:42am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  By journalist; I assume you mean marxist, trust fund beneficiary, agitator?
  
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  August 11, 2017 2:16pm
Peter

Genter wins Tizzy Fit Award.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/tizzy-fit-not-a-good-look-for-the-greens-duncan-garner.html

Don’t tell us what we can and can’t ask. Glad the media are finally holding a blow torch to the awful Greens.
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August 11, 2017 11:29am
Shawn Herles

OUCH!

”Tizzy fit’ not a good look for the Greens – Duncan Garner’

“Garner said Ms Genter needs to “calm her organic farm down”.

“It’s like being at kindy and you’ve stolen someone’s bikkies or something.”

He unfavourably compared Ms Genter’s response to Green Party leader James Shaw, who has “kept his cool” all week.

“He’s too scared to raise his voice at all those women in caucus – he’ll get his head bitten off.””

And…

‘Labour ready to work with ‘whoever’s left standing’ in the Greens’

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/labour-ready-to-work-with-whoever-s-left-standing-in-the-greens.html

I really feel for the poor old Greens. No, really, I do.

More popcorn! 🙂
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August 11, 2017 11:33am
- stigie
  
  “Lets tax it”
  
  2 ticks blue.
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:45am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:25pm
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      August 11, 2017 5:25pm
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    tulixpu.
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:25pm
Fletch

Bill Clinton in 1994 –

“If North Korea ever used nuclear weapons it would be the end of their country.”

https://twitter.com/Corrynmb/status/895048091514150912/video/1

Trump in 1999 –

“I’m saying that we have to do something to stop them. Do you want to do it in five years when they have warheads all over the place… or do you want to do something now? You’d better do it now. And if they think you’re serious, they’ll negotiate and it’ll never come to that.”

https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/877240223129882624/video/1
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August 11, 2017 11:35am
- mikenmild
  
  Nothing has changed in 23 years, except that North Korea has improved its capability to respond to perceived threats.
  Trump and Kim can bluster at each other as much as they want. The North Koreans will carry on as usual. So will Trump, tweeting impotent threats.
  
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  August 11, 2017 11:44am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The longer the ROK and the West can wait, the greater the possibility of a regime change in North Korea.
    If it happens, it will happen very quickly.
    
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    August 11, 2017 12:01pm
    - MH
      
      that’s my hope, as for Iran the same rhetoric is responded to by incremental stealth and denial.
      
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      August 11, 2017 12:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    But launching a large scale bombing against a technologically weak opponent is getting cheaper and cheaper due to drone tech.
    
    In a few years Samsung could build a few million hunter killer flying bomb drones for $1000 apiece, store them up in warehouses for a first strike and wipe out all Nork armed forces and transportation in a couple of hours.
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:38pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You think there will be an easy and cheap way to take out the thousands of artillery pieces trained on Seoul?
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/04/19/north-koreas-simple-but-deadly-artillery-holds-seoul-and-u-s-h_a_22046212/
      
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      August 11, 2017 2:05pm
starboard

Filthy special rapes a 6 year old. Must have been the colonisation factor coming into play.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95662613/drugaffected-babysitter-raped-6yearold-in-christchurch
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August 11, 2017 11:44am
- itstricky
  
  special
  
  How do you know he was a ‘special’? There is no name, no picture, no details of anything other than his age.
  
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  August 11, 2017 4:34pm
  - starboard
    
    Read the story wad..as soon as I saw the word whanau I knew. Despicable piece of shit..electric chairs to good for the filthy scumbag.
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:10pm
    - itstricky
      
      Read the story wad
      
      Sure did.
      
      the pain that this whanau feels,” the judge said
      
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      August 11, 2017 7:33pm
      - starboard
        
        mouldys all round. Judge is an idiot, we speak English in NZ, not stone age.
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:43pm
      - itstricky
        
        Glad you cleared that one up with your impeccable logic, as always.
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:59pm
      - starboard
        
        You’re pissed again, going home to beat up the missus?
        
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        August 11, 2017 8:28pm
      - itstricky
        
        How did you know? Actually, you’re right, I guess I always use the word ‘impeccable’ when I’m trashed.
        
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        August 11, 2017 11:11pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Good band at the Woolston Club tonight?
      
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      August 11, 2017 8:50pm
      - starboard
        
        How ya goin Matt..recovered from that nasty event under the bus yet ? b-b-b-b-bus !!
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The main reason behind the gay orientation of some men is that they are possessed by female ghosts. It is the female ghost in them that is attracted to other men. Conversely the attraction to females experienced by some lesbians is due to the presence of male ghosts in them. The ghost’s consciousness overpowers the person’s normal behaviour to produce the homosexual attraction. Spiritual research has shown that the cause for homosexual preferences lie predominantly in the spiritual realm.
        
        http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritual-problems/demonic-possession/ghost-spirit-symptoms/
        Time for your exorcism? Maybe after one more trip to Hagley Park tonight?
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:22pm
      - starboard
        
        sure, bring ya mum along we’ll have a key party
        
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        August 11, 2017 9:27pm
mandk

Who here has argued that cannabis is a benign drug and it’s no one else’s business if an adult chooses to use it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95662613/drugaffected-babysitter-raped-6yearold-in-christchurch
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August 11, 2017 11:44am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Seriously, you blame cannabis?
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:11pm
  - mandk
    
    Yes:
    “Documents for his sentencing, which happened in the Christchurch District Court on Thursday, included an assessment connecting his harmful sexual behaviour with his use of cannabis”
    
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    August 11, 2017 3:10pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So it can add aphrodisiac to its multitude of properties or did it lower his inhibitions?
      Blaming anything comes to mind instead of taking personal responsibility.
      
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      August 11, 2017 5:39pm
      - Gabby
        
        Or is he just a depraved little shit?
        
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        August 11, 2017 5:55pm
holysheet

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/10/judge-orders-state-dept-to-search-state-gov-accounts-for-clinton-aides-benghazi-emails.html

The wheels are falling off for another liar of the left.
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August 11, 2017 11:59am
UpandComer

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-army-bans-male-recruits-to-get-female-numbers-up/news-story/69ee9dc1d4f8836e9cca7ca2e3e5680a

THE Australian Army has put a ban on male recruits in its politically correct push to increase female ranks, including those on the frontline in combat roles.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Australian Defence Force recruiters have been told they will be re-posted if they ignored directives to target women exclusively for most new jobs.

Australia sacked a member of the conservative party and army officer Bernie Gaynor who suggested that it was wrong to put a man-ban on the army at a time when war is more likely then it’s been for the past 2 decades.

The General who started the policy left the service and walked straight into two high paying gigs – one Diversity Council Of Australia and Gender Diversity Head for Deloitte. He was nominated as Australian of the Year.

Do you know what else these people have done? They’ve changed the weighting of the medical corps from 50% science and 50% humanities to 33% science and 66% humanities.

So now, a guy who got into the top 1% of the science arm, who wants to be a doctor, is below the cut-off because some girls were awarded higher scores on their essays where they professed admiration for the principles of social justice, and against things like fat-shaming.

A 66% weighting for humanities to determine recruits for medicine. In the Australian army.

Does anyone else feel a complex series of emotions evoked by this information?
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August 11, 2017 12:05pm
- MH
  
  well finally they will get to redesign that slouch hat.
  
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  August 11, 2017 12:29pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Do NZFirst voters really support a Labour party that runs a man-ban on itself? Will they support Labour extending the same policies to the NZ military? Which is inevitable?
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:44pm
Biscuit

New Zealand’s best newspaper?
Agendaist?
Never!

‘Judges will undoubtedly agonise before deciding who is their 2018 New Zealander of the Year.
With a little over a month to go before nominations close, it has been revealed there are 41 people put forward for the major gong.
These include psychologist and author Nigel Latta, Wellington Children’s Hospital benefactor Mark Dunajtschik, TV and radio personality Jono Pryor, mental health advocate Mike King, Skylight CEO and former CEO of Women’s Refuge New Zealand Heather Henare and Team New Zealand helmsman Peter Burling.
There has also reportedly been a surge in nominations for ex-Green Party leader Metiria Turei.’

Latta? Gimme strength!
Pryor? I actually had to Google his name…
King? Ha!
Turei? Words FAIL me…
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August 11, 2017 12:06pm
- Peter
  
  The “surge” will be coming from party members, rather than people who switched their vote to Labour. Or anyone else.
  
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  August 11, 2017 12:19pm
- MCos
  
  I hope Turei gets the honours, though I’m not holding my breathe. For no other reason than to read all apoplectic reactions
  
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  August 11, 2017 2:50pm
Lucia Maria

Yesterday’s General Debate Stats:

320 comments by 81 commenters

Most popular commenter was cmm at 205 positive karma points averaging 21 points per comment, and offset by 7 downvotes overall.

Least popular and most likely to get a downvote was gabby with 432 downvotes averaging 14 per comment, and offset by 71 upvotes overall.

Number of Comments by depth level, from 1 to 5 where 1 is a top level comment and levels 2 – 5 are replies to comments were:
1: 65
2: 112
3: 64
4: 38
5: 41

Most prolific commenter was gabby at 31 comments, followed by govege at 11, followed by cmm & itstricky at 10 comments.
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August 11, 2017 12:18pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Gabby’s 31 comments probably totalled around 40 words, most of which were mis-spellings.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep, spraying shit hardly counts.
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:17pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      From my point of view, Gabby’s comments beat Johnboy’s constant sexual innuendo. Gabby has a large number of targets in comparison which does account for the corresponding number of downvotes.
      
      I mention Johnboy, because he seemed to perform a similar function in thread – throwing everyone off-balance.
      
      And occasionally, Gabby comes up with real gems, such as that Kimbo take-off. That was priceless.
      
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      August 11, 2017 1:30pm
    - GazzaW
      
      ……licking it is even worse kowtow.
      
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      August 11, 2017 3:26pm
  - starboard
    
    Imagine how many bibs giblet goes thru in a session..catching all that verbal diarrhea which dribbles out the corner of its mouth.
    
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    August 11, 2017 3:52pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Gabby’s 31 comments probably totalled around 40 words, most of which were mis-spellings.
    
    Actually, now that I’ve got the word counter working (except for having to deal with extra words to do with letting people know the comment is hidden and where you can click to see it), Gabby’s 31 comments were comprised of 447 words. That’s averaging approx 14 words per comment.
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:07pm
    - Gabby
      
      Must be briefer.
      
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      August 11, 2017 7:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Be brief
        
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        August 11, 2017 8:03pm
RF

Back when I should have had more sense I was involved in the Labour Party.

Tim Barnett who was the sitting member for Christchurch Central came up and addressed our LEC.

This was the time Labour were looking at the fart tax. As I have a rural background I told Tim that I did not agree with this and that it would turn off the rural vote.

Tim’s response was…. Wealthy Farmers don’t vote Labour so tough… They will have to suck it up.

Prior to this I had given up on Shipley and figured Labour might be better. Must admit a few years later I was having doubts about Labour and Tim’s comment was enough to send me back to National.

I guess I am a political whore
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August 11, 2017 12:28pm
tvb

Turei brought her family into the narrative as an example one how tough it is to survive on a benefit. Except should did not tell the whole story. The media and others started digging. She piled on explanation on explanation including the farcical explanation why she gave the same address as the father of the child so she could vote in the General Election in that electorate. (And not the address where she was actually living) But that was not the killer blow. It seems rumours that the comfortably off Hartley family were going to come forward and say just how much support she was receiving. So life was not so tough and her narrative lay in tatters. Starvation of her child was never going to be a problem and her colleagues especially SHAW were made to look stupid. Now SHAW is starting to row back a little as he tries to recover his lost credibility caused by her lies.
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August 11, 2017 12:31pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  I suspect Shaw might be rolled after the election. His handling of this has been disastrous.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:32pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Replaced by who though, very inexperienced hacks.
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:43pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Genter – that is all
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:12pm
- RalphT
  
  Shaw will have to row the Atlantic to get back even a smidgen of credibility.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:46pm
Manolo

A modern invasion of Spain:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4778234/Hundreds-migrants-repelled-police-Spanish-border.html

A dozen migrants arrived off the coast of the Spanish enclave of Ceuta in North Africa riding jetskis on the same day that hundreds attempted to climb over the fence along the land border.
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August 11, 2017 12:58pm
- mikenmild
  
  Sounds like a good reason to let Morocco have Ceuta and Melilla.
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:20pm
  - MCos
    
    Is GB going to Brexit Gibraltar?
    
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    August 11, 2017 1:55pm
    - GazzaW
      
      The Brits will never relinquish Gibraltar.
      
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      August 11, 2017 3:29pm
MH

has anyone just stopped for one moment and thought……….who will look after the dying baby……. kauri Trees if the Greens won’t?
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August 11, 2017 1:01pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Agree. It’s election year, so Mels Barton Chair of the tree council, and less reported Phil Twyfords issues assistant is in every paper and on every news channel declaring the end of Kauri Trees and a crisis. Obviously there is a disease. But I would really like honest journalism and less astroturfing as the pr is from a labour staffer not just a garden variety environmentalist. And I would just like the politics taken out of our environmental science so we can get a genuine assesment of the problems.
  
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  August 11, 2017 5:58pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson posts about thousands of conservative videos being targetted and demonitized. It’s just a way for liberals to censure speech that they don’t like. Watson says he is done….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8HJrr4-7B8
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August 11, 2017 1:16pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Paul Joseph Watson conflates thousands of “conservative” videos with pro-Trump videos. He pops up an image of that 29 year old’s Google manifesto on his video on women programmers as if it’s “scientific research”.
  
  Most likely he needs to lay low for a while because of this story: #FireMcMaster, explained by the Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab, which linked him to a number of sites and individuals who were involved.
  
  … a coordinated campaign, spearheaded by known alt-right figures, to fire McMaster. The anti-McMaster campaign was initiated by large, alt-right media platforms — primarily Infowars and Breitbart, as well as alt-right Twitter activists including Paul Joseph Watson and Jack Posobiec, both of whom are associated with Prison Planet, another website operated by Alex Jones.
  
  Good riddance if he does stop posting videos.
  
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  August 11, 2017 2:32pm
Manolo

As if socialist Labour cared about gaping holes in its half-baked policies.

All it needs is plenty of gullible people to vote for its expensive promises. Details (and taxes) will be sorted later.
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August 11, 2017 1:22pm
- MCos
  
  “Details (and taxes) will be sorted later.”
  Same as any election anywhere, whatever the party.
  Usually something to do with healthcare, education, police numbers, housing . . . . .
  Issues that effect as many people as possible
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:50pm
Manolo

High stakes:
If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea’s government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005
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August 11, 2017 1:35pm
- MCos
  
  Should have emphasized those two ‘if’s
  
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  August 11, 2017 1:52pm
- GazzaW
  
  The collateral damage from an attack on North Korea inflicting “fire and fury as never seen before” must be a tad concerning to adjoining China and South Korea along with Japan which is perfectly located to cop a massive dose of radiation.
  
  Let’s hope that cooler heads will prevail before either megalomaniac is tempted to push the button.
  
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  August 11, 2017 2:49pm
UpandComer

Speaking of poor policy I just went back and had another re-read of Labour’s transport policy.

I said yesterday Labour had promised to build 4 massive light rail project + 1 bus project + 1 heavy rail project for $6.1billion being govt $3.3b, East West savings ($1.2b) and fuel tax over ten years ($1.6b).

That was based on Labour’s press release in Stuff of 6 August 17 “Labour, National go head-to head with transport plans” which said “The fuel tax is estimated to raise $160 million a year at 10c a litre, and Labour’s full plan is costed at $3.3 billion, comprising new and accelerated projects over 20 years”. So $3.3b plus the fuel tax plus the East West savings.

But then I read again: “Jacinda Ardern said the extra cost would be $2.1b after accounting for $1.2b in savings from scaling back the East-West link”.

Extra cost includes all 6 projects.

So I’m wrong. They actually include the $1.2b in the $3.3b.

As I pointed out, Sydney light rail has cost $2.1billion for 12km of rail under managment from experienced liberal politicians who have been in govt and business people.

Just Auckland – CBD is 20km, on harder terrain.

Labour have said actually that they can do 4 massive light rail projects (Airport, West Auck, North Shore, Mt Roskill) plus bus lanes and heavy rail tracks for $4.4billion.

Remember Sydney light rail 12km $2.1b. Just CBD to Auckland Airport light rail is 20km.

I guess Auckland ratepayers will find out after the election like the rural folk. Wait do Auckland people vote?
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August 11, 2017 2:43pm
- GazzaW
  
  Yes, Jafas vote when it counts. Don’t forget Labour has to win Auckland in order to win the election.
  
  As a working Auckland superannuitant here’s what I face if Labour wins.
  
  Water tax created inflation.
  Regional fuel tax
  Cancellation of 1 April tax cuts
  Cancellation of 1 April superannuation increase
  Possible CGT
  Possible super means testing
  
  I’m not debating the rights and wrongs of working part time to complement my super – I’m just highlighting what a Labour government will mean to superannuitants.
  
  Two ticks blue!
  
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  August 11, 2017 3:07pm
  - Gabby
    
    Tulixpu!
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:07pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    retire soon – have looked at the options of working and will do so (3 days a week)
    Suck eggs you lazy welfare dependant corksoakers.
    I am off to Honolulu and ALASKA in 16 days
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:18pm
RF

Water cooler talk from a friend who works in a large city hospital.

You have to accept that hospitals are like schools as they are a breeding ground for the left.

Staff had mixed feelings about Jacinda as she has not been tested… the debates will be the game changer so Bill has to be on the ball.

Several commented that Ardern appears to be an
anxious shallow person and not handle stress well.
This is something that she has previously admitted.

If North Korea goes tits up I would sooner have Bill looking after my interests than some flake.
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August 11, 2017 2:47pm
GazzaW

I left the car radio tuned into ZB after listening to Leighton this morning and when I returned to the car Kerre’s pet poodle (he’s gone solo today) was debating the heavyweight topic of Anchor’s light-resistant milk containers. First world problem? After the 3pm news the programme was to continue with a face to face discussion between Mark Dye and Sir Geoffrey Palmer on the merits of a NZ constitution. Rivetting stuff from ZB.
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August 11, 2017 3:16pm
- sooty
  
  Geoffrey Palmer was Labours Andrew Little years ago. They gave him the arse card just before the election with Mke Moore. History repeats it self again. Labour never learns!
  
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  August 11, 2017 4:57pm
  - starboard
    
    Palmer lol..about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
    Palmer is responsible for huge carnage in NZ helping create racist policies and dividing a nation. Won’t miss him when he goes tits up.
    
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    August 11, 2017 5:17pm
    - howitis
      
      Very much like James Not-so-Shaw
      A real cuck.
      
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      August 11, 2017 6:29pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Anthony Robins one of the standards scribes say that James Shaw has been very impressive with his leadership on the Turei self confessed fraud, fuck if that’s impressive what does a disaster look like.
        
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        August 11, 2017 6:43pm
      - starboard
        
        Shaws a pussy..has a vagina
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:01pm
      - Gabby
        
        Cuck soccer howlameitis.
        
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        August 11, 2017 7:33pm
GazzaW

I see that the phantom downticker is back again. There must be a pre-schooler loose on mum’s laptop somewhere.
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August 11, 2017 4:17pm
- Gabby
  
  If you whinge about it, they will come.
  
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  August 11, 2017 5:03pm
- Happychappy
  
  I can guarantee when Gabby arrives if I have not had a down tick with in minutes it has been to all my posts and down ticked all and call me names to go with it.
  
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  August 11, 2017 6:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    Crappy hell chappy, snoflakes aren’t in it are they.
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:31pm
starboard

Special shoots 4 police, injures them all..22 hour long siege ..sentenced to preventive detention with minimum 10 years in the clink. Another candidate for the noose.
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August 11, 2017 5:35pm
publicwatchdog

IF YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS – YOU DON’T HAVE ANY:

http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html

CHAPTER I: PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES

Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end:

to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law,

adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples,

and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character,

and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Article 2

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.
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August 11, 2017 5:46pm
- starboard
  
  “Whoop Whoop..nutbar alert “
  
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  August 11, 2017 5:59pm
  - RalphT
    
    No, no, my life has been meaningless without these important updates. We need more reports like this,
    
    Yours,
    
    RalphT
    C/o the psychiatric ward
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:01pm
- stigie
  
  I hear Penny condones the Me Tu behaviour….is that correct Penny..? Take your time !~
  
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  August 11, 2017 6:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Paid your rates. Are you allowed on the stage at meet the candidate meetings or are you blowing eardrums as they enter, with your megaphone.
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:14pm
  - Happychappy
    
    stigie what else would you expect from a $cam arti$t.
    
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    August 11, 2017 7:20pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  I reject the UN’s version of “human rights” out of hand. The UN can go jump off a cliff.
  
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  August 11, 2017 7:17pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  August 11, 2017 7:22pm
- noskire
  
  Penny, can I please have your address so I can bill you for wear and tear on a mouse scroll-wheel. I’m guessing it is the same address as the one that you don’t pay rates for.
  
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  August 11, 2017 7:59pm
- renderer
  
  What benefit has accrued from your visit to the Hague. I have not seen anywhere that your bludging for an overseas junket has repaid in any way the money you took from people that could barely afford it.
  You spout at length about corruption in this country when it seems you are unable to deal with the corruption within your own household.
  In short you are a shyster and a fraud.
  
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  August 11, 2017 8:08pm
  - noskire
    
    Or two waves short of a shipwreck.
    
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    August 11, 2017 8:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thank Christ I no longer live in Auckland. If I did I would feel compelled to camp on Goff’s doorstep demanding why his council cannot evict this dreadful woman from her hovel in order to collect the rates owing to law-abiding ratepayers.
  What is wrong with the dysfunctional Auckland Council?
  
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  August 11, 2017 9:17pm
  - stigie
    
    9 years without paying rates now CM. Fucking disgraceful !~
    
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    August 11, 2017 9:31pm
VicParking

I am sick and tired of all these so called experts producing reports that are full of “might”, “could”, “potential to” and “can” If they are are so good why don’t they use “will”.
Now we hear now they manipulate statistics to suit their fanciful ideas. I use the words “fake”, “untrue” and “frauds”
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August 11, 2017 5:48pm
nasska

That moment when you put your steak on the grill & your mouth waters from the amazing smell.

Do vegans feel the same when they mow the grass?“
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August 11, 2017 7:24pm
- stigie
  
  Even better for ecosexuals Nasska, they mow the grass then shag in it !~
  
  https://theecosexuals.ucsc.edu/earthlove/
  
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  August 11, 2017 8:16pm
  - nasska
    
    Does bending the fuckee gently over a hay bale count stigie? 🙂
    
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    August 11, 2017 8:26pm
sooty

So Labour, Hagered the Greens. Labour gave Me Tu the arse card. Jacinda wanted to give Me Tu some recognition for all she’s done in the last 15yrs. Talk about rubbing salt in sore wounds. Thanked her for all she’s done. Basically said goodbye, you ain’t got a shit show of been elected, you thick bitch. You have justbeen shotdown in flames!
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August 11, 2017 7:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  Nobody does dirty politics like the left. They have the required nasty streak.
  
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  August 11, 2017 8:26pm
Rachael Membery

Is it just me or does it seem that the Metiria Turei thing had disappeared from the msm in most respects? Amazing.
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August 11, 2017 10:55pm
Manolo

Weeds never die:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/346097-obama-to-reemerge-in-delicate-dance-with-dems
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