General Debate 8 July 2017

Email
Facebook
Twitter
Comment204

Uncategorized
General Debate

Comments (204)

Login to comment or vote

starboard

Go the All Blacks !
19 6
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It’s as good as a dead rubber.
  
  The ABs nearly won with 14 men last week – there’s no one in black tonight who is as much of a liability as SBW – so bet the farm on a comfortable win for the Blacks.
  
  To those suggesting the outcome is in doubt – don’t be silly.
  
  If the weather is halfway decent – expect a 20+ defeat to send the tourists unhappily on their way home.
  
  9 5
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:26am
  - big bruv
    
    And of course just to make sure that the NZ team do win I am sure that there is already a nice brown envelope ready for the TMO and the ref.
    
    3 25
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 9:27am
    - Colville
      
      It would need to be a fat envelope indeed to beat what the BIL paid the ref for last weeks embarrassing performance.
      
      7 5
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 9:49am
      - Longknives
        
        The Lions “Paid the Ref”??
        Jesus All Black fans are pathetic…
        When did New Zealanders become such bad sports? I’m sure we never used to be like this..
        
        5 4
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        He he he. Just ask the apologists for the one game the 1905 All Blacks lost, and the New Zealand tourists who lost series in South Africa in 1949, 1960, 1970 and 1976.
        
        Your problem, Longknives, is attributing tribal plot-theories and one-eyed boorishness to current Kiwi rugby supporters alone. In the modern era, because their country is becoming increasingly more corrupt, I’m of the opinion some saffers are worse. And while it was shameful when Jonathan Kaplan was showered with beer cans after John Eales kicked that last minute penalty at the Caketin in 2000, we’ve yet to go as bad as:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovJBF0xV2XA
        
        Let it be noted though, that good saffer rugby fans, like Kiwis and Welshmen and Englishmen and…whoever are good and astute judges of a game, who can take a loss.
        
        1 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:34pm
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        nice try there Kimbra, but you surely must know you are comparing the actions of many AB fanbois with the action of one fat dumbass Saffer?
        
        1 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 3:41pm
    - pdm
      
      Are you a yarpie big bruv?
      
      7 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 9:52am
      - big bruv
        
        Certainly not pdm. Kiwi born and bred.
        
        6 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:21am
  - Paulus
    
    As I understand from what I have heard the Lions and their supporters have had a great time whatever the result.
    They are not one eyed Kiwis.
    
    10 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:59am
  - Gabby
    
    As long as they steer clear of the I’m a warrior crap.
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:41am
  - Manolo
    
    Let the best team win. Go the All Blacks!
    
    1 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 1:39pm
- VicParking
  
  In perspective we are playing the best from four countries ranked 2 3 6 and 7 in the world.
  
  0 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 6:00pm
duggledog

Go the ABs all right. Always good when the outcome is not guaranteed I find that boring.

Hey why does New Zealand not officially encourage (and accept) more white South Africans that are left there, especially farmers, to emigrate here instead of Vibrants from the Third World and the Middle East?

Technically all white SAFAs should be classed as refugees.

The fact is, their country is f***ed, and there is an excellent chance of being robbed, raped or killed because they are white. Same as a ME Christian fleeing a Moslem shit hole.

I would be happy to take lots of them to satisfy the U.N. and the Greens’ incessant demands. They generally speak English, don’t take shit from losers, work hard, drink piss, eat meat and best of all play rugby. They fit in.

Although a lot of the men are quite macho which puts the shits up a lot of kiwi girly men
33 8
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:10am
- holysheet
  
  Sorry Duggle, but it’s far too early on a saturday morning for this kind of logical and correct comments. What if indeed.
  
  14 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:28am
- Colville
  
  Duggle.
  They are also great to do business with.
  Straight forward and to the point.
  
  13 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:01am
- Gruffydd
  
  Dont get out much?
  Parts of the north shore are saturated with dekaffinated Safa’s .
  We have a few who comment.
  
  16 5
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:01am
  - GazzaW
    
    Our health system would collapse without a strong Saffa presence. They are great immigrants who work hard and genuinely contribute to our society.
    
    12 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:57am
- big bruv
  
  “Hey why does New Zealand not officially encourage (and accept) more white South Africans that are left there, especially farmers, to emigrate here”
  
  You’ve never been to Auckland’s north shore then?
  
  14 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:28am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I hear that the South Africans have formed a new iwi on the North Shore: Ngati Jaapi.
    
    15 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:22am
- Happychappy
  
  duggledog : Are you a full paid up member of the Labour Party because you portray the traits of their ethics with your continually jibes and whinging on National or those that follow them.
  
  9 6
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:29am
- Huevon
  
  Take your hate speech some place else, bigot! You’re on the wrong side of history. Dame Susan is keeping her eye on you.
  
  10 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:49am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Hmm, duggledog, implicit in your comment is a whiff of you liking pre 1995 South Africa too much. There are very good reasons why NZ does not have an immigration policy based on race. It is all about our nation’s values. And I know from direct experience that that some of the South Africans, especially those who immigrated in the 1990’s, bought their pre 1995 attitudes to race with them. Not good.
  
  10 21
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:33am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ Wayne Mapp,
    
    What then do you then think of Israel’s “immigration policy” whereby they test prospective immigrants blood to make sure they’re part of the tribe?
    
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
    
    We will admit anyone regardless of belief systems yet Israel won’t admit even Jews who believe in Christ our Lord!
    
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/the-hateful-whispers-that-make-me-want-to-move-from-london-to-tel-aviv/
    
    South Africa has gone from a safe prosperous country to one now suffering massive inflation, power blackouts, over 500k murders since 1993 and where Jacob Zuma of the ANC can openly call for the genocide of whites!
    
    Serious question – Why can’t NZ have an “immigration policy” like that where most of our non European diaspora come from? I dont see the Chinese people flogging themselves silly on a daily basis worrying they might be “racist” because they understandably want to maintain long standing population norms.
    
    10 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:48am
    - PhilBest
      
      Why don’t you just argue for immigration policy based on immigrants values, not their skin race?
      
      If Lee Kuan Yew or Thomas Sowell or Ayaan Hirsi Ali wanted to emigrate to NZ, you’d ban them, but let in leftard and watermelon nordics?
      
      12 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 10:56am
    - SPC
      
      EAD, are you really objecting to a nation established to be a Jewish homeland having a preference for Jews as migrants?
      
      And if it is such, why would it not block those fraudulently claiming Jewish identity/ancestry.
      
      Many nations have this sort of preference – nations being sovereign over their immigration policy. The Irish and Spanish allow people who have ancestry to return to Eire or Spain. The UK allows those with a grandparent born there preferential visa rights and so on.
      
      Sure there are always going to be issues when an identity such as Jewish is involved, as it is in part an ancestry test and in part a religious test – Jewish being an ethnic identity of these two components.
      
      The latter part is why Jews who convert to Christianity and Islam do not qualify as migrants to Israel (those already Israeli citizens do not lose citizenship over this).
      
      1 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:09am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        No I dont object to a homeland for the Jews.
        
        I’d just like to see a homeland for the French, English and Germans where they have have the same “immigration policy” as China, Israel, Mexico, Japan etc.
        
        Clear?
        
        2 5
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:13am
      - ztev
        
        The original idea for the ‘homeland for the jews’- leaving aside the fact it was over 2000 years ago, if we did that for the maori the society islands could be in for a surprise- was that they live alongside those currently living there.
        
        what about all the people who are ‘in the wrong homeland’
        
        DNA for jews ? Must be joking, doesnt really provide definitive results further back than 15th C. Commercialised products may claim otherwise, they could be like fortune tellers, good at getting the info from you that you want to hear
        
        2 6
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:37am
      - SPC
        
        As you will no doubt be aware, France and Germany are part of the EU and have free movement of labour. Thus while in the EU cannot have such a policy.
        
        In the case of the UK and France (note Eire is different to the UK in the number of Black African, Caribbean, and south Asian residents) there is a legacy of colonial empire (commonwealth) involved (with a legacy of language) – rather than a preference for the return of colonists with UK/French ancestry.
        
        1 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:42am
      - SPC
        
        ztev, you seem to ignore context – the state of Israel existing to be a Jewish homeland by UN mandate (for reasons of historic persecution as a minority in the lands of other peoples) rather easily.
        
        As for the example of Maori – when they are an indigenous people here, and reference to Society Islands (why not the Cooks?) words fail me.
        
        7 2
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:47am
      - ztev
        
        You are totally wrong about UN creating ‘homeland for jews’
        The UN resolution doesnt mention Homeland.
        
        The UN dividing up Palestinian mandate broke its charter.
        
        “violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.”
        
        There was a lot of dissent over the final vote of the UN general assembly, without the US strongarm tactics it wouldnt have got the 2/3 majority
        ” Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister,[Indias UN ambassador] Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless “she voted right”
        
        Thailand ( then Siam) found their delegation had their credentials cancelled after voting against partition in committee.
        
        1 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:50pm
      - SPC
        
        One of those people who think that the state of Israel exists in violation of international law and should be put down?
        
        0 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:56pm
      - SPC
        
        Or do you think relative military strength, establishing facts on the ground, is how people manifest their right to control their own destiny.
        
        Some difference between legitimate state within UN recognised borders and all out control of territory to the Jordan River, so which one is it?
        
        0 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:02pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I see WM has 6 downticks. Why when he speaks the truth? We were shocked by the utter racism of some Sth Africans we rented a flat to. They made no secret of their loathing of anyone not white…sickened me. I have met other Sth Africans with those attitudes too. But, of course, I have met plenty of really fine Sth Africans as well. I think the ones who left Sth Africa in the 1990s were getting out because they resented black rule. The more recent immigrants are leaving because….well I don’t blame them!
    
    12 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:17am
    - cmm
      
      I think you might find that many who came out here in the 1990s could just see the writing on the wall.
      
      If you can see what is going to inevitably happen, then why wait until things get worse first? Why destroy the lives of your young kids?
      
      8 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      I know many born and bred Kiwis who hold similar views to your tenants regarding Asians.
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:02pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I’ve never met one of these unevolved Saffas, I have met (here and in UK) a lot who fled rising violence and general destruction of civil society created by rise of ANC as a dominant political force. More people were killed in intertribal political fighting 1990-1994 than were killed by the Apartheid administration WWII- 1990 (Not to defend apartheid, but the economy was better and streets safer). South Africa is a failing state with crumbling infrastructure well on it’s way to being the next Zimbabwe. Jaapis come here with a great work ethic and have made a valuable contribution to NZ, particularly in Agriculture.
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 3:52pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hmm, can’t say I have seen much difference between “pre 1995” South Africa and current new Zealand. New Zealand must be one of the few countries that still has a race based voters roll, race based entitlements to to scholarships, race base undertakings around stand downs and suspensions, race based rugby teams, race based access to land; never mind the xenophobia around house ownership and Asian sounding names…. In any case South Africa is now one of the most racist countries in the world. God help you if you happen to be white.
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 2:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    Wayne Mapp at 10.33 said:” There are very good reasons why NZ does not have an immigration policy based on race.”
    
    When the Prime Minister is among those who defend immigration of the unskilled and semi-skilled because, it is alleged, young New Zealanders are too lazy to work, isn’t that immigration based on race?
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 4:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  @ duggledog
  
  Hey why does New Zealand not officially encourage (and accept) more white South Africans…Although a lot of the men are quite macho which puts the shits up a lot of kiwi girly men
  
  I defer to the sage advice of the greatest peacemaker since the Colt 45, and the most effective anti-Springbok kryptonite to ever step on to a rugby field, Kevin Skinner: “The thing you have to understand about white South Africans is that they are bully-boys, used to pushing people around for 300 years. However, you give them a short, sharp demonstration of the boundaries and how you won’t be pushed around, and they settle down and play rugby”.
  
  Oh, yes, and having demonstrated and enforced the boundaries to Chris Koch and Jaap Bekker, and when a stray South African boot failed to connect with his head, Kevin Skinner got up and laughed and responded in his slow Kiwi drawl, “You bastards are so useless, you can’t even kick straight”. 😉
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:28am
  - Jack5
    
    Kimbo, I’m not South African, but I have some sympathy for them as order and the economy slide and crime soars in their native country.
    
    I think white South Africans, as a defeated people, have better claim to being refugees than Pakistanis and Iraqi Arabs and others sneaking into Europe as Syrian refugees, or the “child refugees” in their 20s and 30s who con European countries.
    
    If it weren’t for Western trade sanctions, whites would probably still be running South Africa and what was Southern Rhodesia. We helped break them, so, shouldn’t we hold out the hand to help some off the floor?
    
    Would they make good citizens? Descendants of folk who played rugby like the Springboks of old and who, under Botha, Smuts, de Wet and de la Rey, fought us so resolutely in the 2nd Boer War should make good citizens.
    
    Have we helped defeated enemies before? Yes – many of the Baltic peoples settled in NZ after World War 2 had been Nazi sympathisers, and some of them active in the German war machine.
    
    0 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 5:12pm
Southern Raider

UNESCO protecting historical sites based on fact since ……..

Yes this upstanding UN body is just voted, in complete contradiction of expert reports, that Hebron is a Palestinian location.

This includes the Caves of the Patriach which is a couple of thousand years old and Hebron being documented by the Romans during their invasions of Israel in BC
21 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  Yes this upstanding UN body is just voted, in complete contradiction of expert reports,
  
  There ya go, there’s a chance they might do the same with all their false climate change reports.
  
  16 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:30am
- KevOB
  
  Christians will always recognise Hebron as where King David was enthroned.
  
  6 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:40am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Good luck to them being able to visit it safely
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:34pm
- SPC
  
  They have recognised the cave (tomb of patriarchs) as an international site.
  
  The international site is where it is – in territory set aside by the UN for a Palestinian Arab state, currently under military occupation by the IDF but with civil administration from the PA. Given Israel has made no annexation claim for this territory and has made peace offers in which Hebron is in a Palestinian state – what other identity for the location of the new heritage site – cave of the patriarchs, could be given but Palestine?
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:48am
- SPC
  
  And for Jews and Moslems the issue is not over what territory the cave is said to be located in but control over the site itself.
  
  Throughout history Christians and Moslems and more recently Israeli Jews with military dominance in this area have either excluded those of other faiths or simply ensured their own access to the rage of the would be monopolists.
  
  Making the site an international heritage one might be a necessary step to ensuring access is available to all, regardless of who has territorial control in the area.
  
  1 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:54am
- Kimbo
  
  This includes the Caves of the Patriach which is a couple of thousand years old and Hebron being documented by the Romans during their invasions of Israel in BC
  
  More hysterical screeching of “Judenrein” to try and justify annexation of the West Bank, including a town that has had no effective Jewish settlement for some 2,000 years since the bar Kochba Rebellion in 135AD!
  
  What your post really means is, despite some 800 years of settlement and architecture that justify designation as site of Arab heritage (which undoubtedly exists!), and to satisfy the disruption caused by some 800 unwelcome Zionist zealots building settlements on the alleged justification of some 3,000 year old skeletons, an Arab community of some 20,000 should have their way of life disrupted, including check points and living under lock and key. And they are expected to act “reasonably” and accept that.
  
  So whereas Zionism claims to be secular, and Israel a secular nation, the agenda is to use cynical politics and religious zealots to justify conquest and annexation by stealth and increment. And any objection, any challenge to that is automatically deemed anti-Semitic. What a tawdry cynical policy!
  
  Don’t believe me? Mt Sinai has a heritage in the Jewish faith, yet because it is not located in the West Bank, there was no problem for Israel returning it to Egypt in 1978. And according to the book of Joshua, 2 and a half of the twelve tribes settled on the east bank of the Jordan River – yet Israel makes no claim to that despite its history of Jewish settlement.
  
  Israel’s best hope of peace is that one day sufficient Palestinians, including their leadership decide that “being reasonable” and “acting reasonably” is in their best interests, and in their children’s. In that sense, yes, despite being a cynical bitch at times, Golda Meir was right – we will have peace when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate us”.
  
  But there is a second part to the equation – if the other party is being unreasonable, and you want them to act reasonably…you have to do so yourself. Jewish settlement in Hebron to “protect the tombs of the Patriarchs” is a pretext. It is about justifying the continued and unreasonable peace-killing policy of West Bank settlement. And Netanyahu squealing is just another round in the endless propaganda war by both sides.
  
  1 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:57am
  - ztev
    
    Whats the big deal.
    Another ‘world heritage site’ – The White City of Tel Aviv
    Age ? 1930s-1950s
    “The White City of Tel Aviv can be seen as an outstanding example in a large scale of the innovative town-planning ideas of the first part of the 20th century. The architecture is a synthetic representation of some of the most significant trends of Modern Movement in architecture, as it developed in Europe. The White City is also an outstanding example of the implementation of these trends taking into account local cultural traditions and climatic conditions.’
    
    0 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 1:56pm
Manolo

Lovely Paris’ architecture:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4674028/Paris-shanty-town-housing-2-500-migrants-torn-ground.html

A Paris shanty town containing some 2,500 migrants was pulled to the ground on Friday and its inhabitants ‘evacuated’ to other parts of France.

Many were from war-torn countries such as Afghanistan and Eritrea who said they were desperate to get to Britain as quickly as possible.
24 1
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:17am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  France not good enough for them?
  
  19 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    No France is already conquered in the name of Allah.
    
    Like all colonialists they look for fresh lands to conquer.
    
    27 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 8:58am
- holysheet
  
  Can someone explain why all these ferals want to get to Britain? After getting out of their shit hole countries you would have thought being able to live in any country in Europe would be like winning lotto.
  Mind you I can understand their aversion to the french.
  
  20 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:34am
  - Paulus
    
    In Britain there are great opportunities to defraud the welfare system with may experts to advise – see the Londistan Council, and their experts on how to defraud, employees.
    Many people have disappeared in to the woodwork after the fire in the Apartment block.
    Nobody knows how many people were in the flats as all sorts of unofficial sublets were their.
    It is reported that one flat contained 14 people but all cannot be found.
    I suspect that this only one block similarly endowed with illegals.
    
    22 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 9:21am
  - big bruv
    
    “Can someone explain why all these feral’s want to get to Britain?”
    
    Yep, I can. They want to get to the UK because idiots such as Gary Linker, Lily Allen, JK Rowling and other assorted millionaires have decided to lead a “refugees welcome here’ campaign.
    The human scum that are on their way to the UK all have iphones and all have access to the internet, they see what these people are saying. When you couple that with the words of fools such as Corbyn, Sadiq Khan and Diane Abbott who promise these ferals a land of milk and honey it is no wonder they want to get into the UK.
    Meanwhile, London, or (given that only 46% of Londoners are now white) Londonistan as it will soon be known has experienced a huge increase in knife crime. Nearly all of that knife crime is committed by Eritrean and Somali third world savages.
    
    25 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This may be a few years out-of-date… but it gives a quick breakdown of the welfare benefits available to a single migrant settling in one of the EU countries.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10391238/Benefits-in-Europe-country-by-country.html
    UK looks very generous
    
    10 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:14am
    - holysheet
      
      How would our figures look in comparison ?
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:06pm
- Inandout
  
  France is not a destination I would include in my itinerary, nor any migrant overrun European country for that matter. It would be interesting to know how much tourism has tanked in Europe since the Muslim plague.
  
  18 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 8:48am
  - Harriet
    
    My mum is 75 and she got frisked down by armed guards under the Eiffel Tower about 2 weeks ago, said they were outside the hotel also. Said they didn’t really see any Muslims anywhere but they were on a river cruise and then departed Europe. The fully armed guards at first were a bit unnerving but she said you got used to seeing them about.
    
    10 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:51am
    - ztev
      
      “didn’t really see any Muslims anywhere”
      
      haha , what was she expecting horns on their head/ wrapped head to toe in flowing robes.
      Silly woman, muslims would have been everywhere, looking like everyone else.
      
      2 12
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:48am
      - Longknives
        
        “Silly woman, muslims would have been everywhere, looking like everyone else.”
        
        Apart from the Black Garbage sacks the women are forced to wear…
        
        6 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:17pm
      - ztev
        
        This was France you idiot, burkas are banned.
        Dont you know anything beyond your own nose
        Then there is mens attire which is ?
        
        2 6
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:01pm
      - holysheet
        
        Suicide vests?
        
        http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/suicide-bomber.jpg
        
        0 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 5:12pm
- PhilBest
  
  Speaking of lovely French architecture:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/magazine/revolting-high-rises.html
  
  Even the NY Times says this…!
  
  2 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:00am
  - Inandout
    
    And from that dodgy publication.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world/europe/trump-g-20-trade-climate.html?action=click&contentCollection=Magazine&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article
    
    I looked at about 20 minutes of video footage on the G20 get together, and Trump was far from being unpopular.
    
    1 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 5:30pm
Monique Watson

Where is William of Shitham? Have met a lot of lovely Ex South Africans forced to leave because of lack of opportunity for their sons.
21 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:21am
Paulus

Great Photoshopped pictures of Angry and Jacinderella in all the NZME papers this morning.
Must have learnt from Helen how to get photos.
23 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:25am
Inandout

Another case of wonderful salesmen, and how they get around the real estate laws:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11887520

Of course this guy didn’t benefit financially??
6 1
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 8:58am
- Gabby
  
  Lee, eh?
  Bloody Scots.
  
  0 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:53am
Happychappy

I see that Gareth Morgan didn’t just want to poach any of the crap MP’s of the Greens he went after the best òf a bad lot by trying to get Julie Ann Venter to switch. As much as I dislike the Greens you have to rate this MP as she does a lot of work on Transport and is really the only Green MP that asks sensible Questions in Parliament.
17 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:08am
- KevOB
  
  She is like a wind up doll about the separate airport rail link. I doubt if it is economic but trendy does wonders in analysis.
  The rest of the Greens should take up residence in the leaders castle and build an impregnable moat to keep them in. Food will need to be self supplied from cropping or fishing in the moat.
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:21am
  - PhilBest
    
    The analysis for such projects is always crooked, like “mainstream” climate science. The problem we have is that “centre right” politicians don’t bother to do the “shooting ducks in a barrel” that would be perfectly possible given the left’s dishonesty on “analysis”, they just sell out to the media talking heads and elite luvvies shallow orthodoxies for political expedience.
    
    7 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:27am
Monique Watson

It’s Julie Anne Genter. Not Venter.
And she does wear nice high heels. But that is the sum total of her background and ability to comment knowledgeably on NZ transport solutions.
25 4
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:20am
- stigie
  
  Crikey, what a contrast between her and Catherine Delahunty, one makes me shit the bed. Just sayin !~
  
  16 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:42am
  - Gabby
    
    That’s the dementia stinky.
    
    1 7
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:55am
- PhilBest
  
  Yes, her “expertise” on transport is just typical lefty fraudulent stuff, cars bad, choo-choos good, yadda, yadda, yadda.
  
  Privately, I suspect she is a rare example of someone on her side who “gets” the counter-arguments and knows deep down inside she and her side are wrong. She is not the only one I say this about. But she is embedded too deep in the social circles she moves in to be able to recant; same with someone else I could name.
  
  12 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:22am
  - peterwn
    
    I would rather have James Shaw and Julie Anne Genter as ministers or associate ministers than Winston ruling the roost.
    
    8 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:11am
    - KevOB
      
      None of the three names are acceptable. Ideological drive is not sufficient for Cabinet Ministers. Show me their practical ability to govern.
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:41am
      - peterwn
        
        I just do not see National having sufficient numbers to form a government without Winston. So even though Winston and the other two are ‘unacceptable’, NZ is going to have to live with one or more of them for the next electoral term. So get used to the idea.
        
        2 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:08pm
      - ztev
        
        Get used to the idea ?
        
        Please , we want them to leave in disgust….. bon voyage
        
        0 8
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:02pm
  - ztev
    
    Genter was previously an expert on transport planning !
    
    2 15
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:54am
    - KevOB
      
      Helen Clark was once an expert on prevarication.
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 1:45pm
      - ztev
        
        Bill English ‘has become’ an expert in imprecise language
        
        1 10
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:03pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Unfortunately many people these days who are expert “transport planners”, and urban planners, are working within an orthodox framework that is flat wrong. They don’t know what they don’t know, and unfortunately “what they don’t know” is as significant as trying to do rocket science without factoring in gravity or knowing anything about it. Genter, I think, is bright enough to be having second thoughts about the orthodoxies (cars bad, public transport good, prescriptive urban planning good, free markets bad, etc) but is too deeply vested in the whole ideological construct to gracefully concede much. But the Greens did support the Twyford RMA amendment that included abolishing urban growth boundaries, which was defeated by National and allies, so maybe sense is percolating through somehow. Shame, shame, shame on National for being the perpetuators of evil here.
      
      2 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 2:24pm
- GazzaW
  
  At long last she seems to have learned to hold her interminable pie chart graphs up the right way at Question Time.
  
  7 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:07am
- Manolo
  
  Not real high heels, though. ?
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 1:14pm
Jack5

It ain’t history.

Police warn slavery is rife in London hospitality and construction industries, and even in some ethnic homes.

Is that what’s wanted for NZ by those backing our present high immigration? That includes some chambers of commerce, Federated Farmers, tourism operators, and fast food and petrol station chains? Oh, and one or two Kiwiblog posters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4675322/Police-warn-London-modern-slavery-hot-spot.html
12 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:21am
- PhilBest
  
  It’s another known fact about the urban planning utopians favourite cities like London and Vancouver, that the “increasing urban density” the planners want, is actually third-world immigrants crowding several families to a room in those cities, not “vibrant urbanism” at all. Meanwhile the locally born who still want a decent home, can’t afford one thanks to the market distortions from things like growth boundaries.
  
  The stated and zoned-for wish for building “up instead of out” never happens, either, because of urban land-market complexities that most economists (who haven’t majored in urban land economics at all) don’t understand, let alone urban planners who know jack about any economics at all in the first place. Ironically the most building “up” taking place in the first world, is happening in cities like Houston that are building “out” flat out; you can have BOTH but you can’t have “up INSTEAD of out”.
  
  9 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:35am
- Gabby
  
  Notatall, notatall.
  They don’t want that stuff in the news at all.
  
  0 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:57am
MCos

I had a look at Twitter this morning and the first thing I saw was a picture of the Vice President of the United States touching something shiny directly below a sign that said Don’t Touch.
Talk about laugh!
Never mind – I’m sure there’s a perfectly good explanation involving Obama, Clinton, BLM . . . . .
6 8
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:22am
- holysheet
  
  this one?
  
  https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/7/15933654/mike-pence-orion-capsule-nasa-viral-photo
  
  5 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:29am
- MCos
  
  Pence has since tweeted
  Sorry @NASA…@MarcoRubio dared me to do it!
  
  FAIL!
  
  4 5
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:44am
  - Gabby
    
    At least it wasn’t a pussy.
    
    4 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:58am
Jack5

Lions back coach puts boot into NZ’s mainstream media for its treatment of Warren Gatland.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/07/lions-rob-howley-disgraceful-media-warren-gatland-new-zealand
7 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:36am
- big bruv
  
  Rob Howley is right. It’s just another reason to be deeply embarrassed by the NZ rugby team and the lickspittles who surround it.
  Go the Lions!
  
  6 17
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:58am
- Colville
  
  Gatland will look back on how he has been treated by our media with fondness after he gets “home” to a savaging from the English media after being embarrassed tonight by a rampant ABs and a 50% win record.
  
  8 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:02am
- Nookin
  
  British press lectures on standards and ethics? Some analogies spring to mind:
  -pot and kettle
  –fox in charge of the henhouse
  –lunatics in charge of the asylum?
  MSM in NZ is crap but when it descends to the tabloid mentality of UK press then we are really shot.
  
  10 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:59am
- GazzaW
  
  Such hypocrisy from the Daily Mail. That publication along with their myriads of ‘commenters’ have been putting the boot into Gatland since the day he was selected as the BIL coach. They have continually attacked him for selecting too many Welsh players, his ‘Warrenball’ tactics, his loyalty given his NZ nationality and his allround ability as a coach. All that has changed with a vague sniff of a series victory but just watch the worm turn when the Lions go down tonight and the DM starts calling up the lynch mob and for Gatland’s public sacking. Gutter journalism at its worst and it’s a very sad reflection on the NZ Herald that they continually regurgitate the DM’s rubbish.
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:20am
  - Gabby
    
    All the news that’s cheap to print.
    
    1 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:40pm
Inandout

Donald Trump has had a two hour meeting with Putin. CNN must surely report this is proof of the Russian connection. I must say Trump came across as friendly as he was mixing with others at the G20 Summit. Putin hardly smiled at all.
16 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:36am
- waikatogirl
  
  Trump and Putin are clearly plotting Russia’s interference in Trump’s 2020 election campaign plan. ?
  
  10 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    Why not the last election worked a treat!
    
    3 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:13pm
    - ztev
      
      Releasing democrats hacked emails but not the republicans… touche.
      
      trump is now negioating with Putin to get the GOP ones..
      
      1 4
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 2:06pm
- MCos
  
  “Russian President Vladimir Putin told U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday that Moscow had not meddled in the U.S. elections, and Trump accepted it, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.”
  Seems Trump has certainly got Putin round his little finger.
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-germany-putini-trump-election-idUSKBN19S2V6?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=595ff07604d301711d3bb4ef&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
  
  2 9
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:19am
  - Gabby
    
    Chump still blames Obama for doing nothing about the meddling that Putin didn’t do. Bad Obama.
    
    1 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:39pm
- Gabby
  
  He only smiles after you drink the polonium.
  
  5 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:00pm
  - ztev
    
    The CIA used an untraceable poison via a special pistol.
    
    ‘In the video, Senator Frank Church asks CIA director William Colby asked: “Does this pistol fire the dart?”
    He replies: “Yes, it does, Mr Chairman, and a special one was developed which, potentially would be able to enter the target without perception.”
    Colby also reveals the toxin would not appear in an autopsy – so there would be “no way of perceiving that the target was hit”.
    
    0 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 2:09pm
Ross12

A good read and a good piece of journalism about a key backer of ETNZ
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11886240
7 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:39am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
BURSTING HOUSING BUBBLES – AUCKLAND – TORONTO – CHRISTCHURCH …

… No longer are people willing to unnecessarily pay a million bucks (Auckland), $770,000 (Toronto), $590,000 (Christchurch) … for what should be $250,000 – $300,000 in local currency … refer …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… Schedule of 13 Annual Demographia Surveys accessible at …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/

… AUCKLAND (10.0 Median Multiple – Demographia Survey) …

New estate agent statistics show the Auckland property slump is getting real … New Zealand Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11886141

… TORONTO (7.7 Median Multiple – Demographia Survey) …

Fall in Toronto home prices ‘a big surprise,’ says broker … CTV

http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/fall-in-toronto-home-prices-a-big-surprise-says-broker-1.3491218
1 40
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:40am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  … CHRISTCHURCH (5.9 Median Multiple – Demographia Survey) …
  
  Christchurch leads cooling housing market trend … Chris Hutching … The Press
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94418443/christchurch-leads-cooling-house-market-trend
  
  … What have economists and others learned since the 2007 housing crash? What I wrote in 2009 and 2010 …
  
  Housing Bubbles And Market Sense | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm
  
  Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019.htm
  
  … when, as part of widespread housing market crashes, the Irish housing bubble burst too.
  
  The unweighted average median multiples of its metros then was 4.7, which crashed to 2.8 in subsequent years (refer Demographia Surveys Schedule accessible above) … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euro … about $NZ109 billion.
  
  Research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high lending multipoles were the greatest problem … and subsequently imposed a general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household income. A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times annual household income.
  
  A helpful television discussion about the 2007 Irish crash …
  
  Prof. Bill Black & Vincent Brown – Ireland’s Bank Guarantee … Youtube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
  
  1 41
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 9:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Get your own blog Hugh.
    Oh, you’ve got one but nobody reads it.
    
    25 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:49am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Capt Mainwaring … housing is the number one issue going in to the general election 23 September.
      
      Please keep the discussion issue focused.
      
      Refer the numerous reports on polling at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
      
      Take particular note as well of the mid March report by Rob Stock of Fairfax NZ … which would have strengthened considerably since this September 2016 polling …
      
      The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
      
      The above post have been posted at …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/macro-afternoon-227/#comment-2911935 … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/macro-afternoon-227/#comment-2911936 … and … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/auckland_house_prices_stabilise.html/comment-page-1#comment-1964872 (15sec delayed response time … extensive further postings above) …
      
      1 26
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:48am
      - sooty
        
        Only in your mind, mate.
        
        9 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:26pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Sooty … mine … and most others. Again … read the polls.
        
        It is just remarkable how quickly things can turn. Check this out from Macleans in Canada …
        
        Toronto’s deflating housing bubble, in one chart – Macleans.ca
        
        http://www.macleans.ca/economy/realestateeconomy/torontos-deflating-housing-bubble-in-one-chart/
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=toronto+housing&tbm=nws&spf=1499491993242
        
        Garth Turner of Canada;s Greater Fool blog (http://www.greaterfool.ca/ ) put it best I think …
        
        ‘… That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. …’
        
        … extract … mid June report / General Email …
        
        … Greater Toronto, Canada’s largest metro with a population of about 6.6 million and a housing affordability median multiple of 7.7 (refer Demographia Survey below) house prices have crashed 12% these past two months …
        
        Toronto House Prices Have Already Fallen 12% From Their Peak … Huffington Post
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/21/toronto-house-prices-have-already-fallen-12-from-their-peak_a_22528595/
        
        0 8
        Report
        July 8, 2017 5:55pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Toronto Update …
        
        Garth Turners … The Greater Fool Blog – Market Update
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/07/07/market-update-11/
        
        Collapsing markets. Suicidal realtors. Overwhelmed Audi dealerships. Rising mortgage rates. Rampaging regulators. Vanishing foreigners. Chortling sellers. Shocked buyers. Whadda week. And this housing correction has just begun!
        
        In no special order, some of the latest news … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
        
        0 7
        Report
        July 8, 2017 6:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Bang On: Housing affordability rises as election issue … London (Ontario Canada) Free Press
        
        http://www.lfpress.com/2017/07/06/bang-on-housing-affordability-rises-as-election-issue
        
        More than 80 per cent of Ontarians want to see home affordability issues addressed in the 2018 election platforms of provincial political parties, according to an Ipsos poll commissioned by the Ontario Real Estate Association (OREA), the Ontario Home Builders’ Association (OHBA) and the Federation of Rental-Housing Providers of Ontario (FRPO).
        
        According to the Ipsos study, millennials are most intent on seeing home affordability addressed by party leaders. Nine in 10 Ontarians between the ages of 18 and 34 want parties to address the issue in the next election, compared to 82 per cent of Gen Xers. Furthermore, 88 per cent millennials stated they would be more likely to vote for a party whose platform promotes home affordability.
        
        The three associations are aligned in advising that the solution to home affordability is increasing the supply of housing in the province, and thereby increasing choice for those seeking homeownership. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        0 0
        Report
        July 9, 2017 1:38am
- KevOB
  
  So?
  Isn’t that what was expected when people run out of cheap money?
  
  10 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:26am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

pass the sick bucket …, and go the Lions!!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/94519058/Lions-tour-HighJinx-dancers-get-to-meet-Sonny-Bill-Williams-after-invite-to-All-Blacks-training
7 11
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:43am
- cmm
  
  It’s a nice little media play.
  
  First run an article slagging off men who said some flirty and sexually charged stuff to girls. Bad, bad men!
  
  Then hold up heroic Sonny. A Muslim who idolises a bloke who had sex with a 9 year old and would like to see their genitalia hacked off with a rusty razor blade. Nice, nice Muslim men!
  
  What a shit-piece bunch or articles written to slag off Western men.
  
  The girls and their parents are somewhat complicit in this: they do a highly sexualized form of dancing derived from pole dancing/stripping.
  
  19 11
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:07am
  - SGA
    
    Whatever the overall pro’s and con’s of this incident, if asking adolescent girls for a blowjob is your version of “flirting”, then I don’t want you near my daughters.
    
    18 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 10:40am
    - cmm
      
      You might note I said “flirty and sexually charged”, not just flirty. I in no way condone what was said.
      
      But, hey if you’d rather your daughter hangs out with the bloke who thinks having sex with 9 year olds should be encouraged then I can’t help you.
      
      I hope you don’t encourage your young daughter to be over-sexualised and do stripper-inspired pole dancing.
      
      5 5
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 11:08am
      - SGA
        
        @cmm
        
        But, hey if you’d rather your daughter hangs out with the bloke who thinks having sex with 9 year olds should be encouraged then I can’t help you.
        
        No idea what you are talking about, so that part of your damage control is wasted.
        I’m glad that you don’t think that asking adolescent girls for a blowjob is “flirting”.
        
        5 2
        Report
        July 8, 2017 11:13am
      - cmm
        
        Nope, not damage control at all.
        
        The media first ran a story slagging off all men because some were making comments to the girls and all men should take responsibility.
        
        Next day there’s another article showing the same girls having a selfie-session with SBW.
        
        SBW is a Muslim who thinks Mohammed is great. Mohammed had a 9 year old “wife”.
        
        That was really what I was pointing at: the MSM slagging off all men for a few retards, but running a positive spin article on a Muslim man who would thinks having sex with 9 year olds is good.
        
        I don’t condone the actions of those men, but the relentless slagging off of western men must stop.
        
        8 5
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:03pm
      - cha
        
        but the relentless slagging off of western men must stop.
        
        Aww, saffa snowflake has hurt FE FE’s….
        
        /
        
        7 3
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:11pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Nope, not damage control at all.
        
        The media…
        
        …all men
        
        ….some were making comments to the girls
        
        ….and all men
        
        …the same girls having a selfie-session with SBW.
        
        …SBW is a Muslim
        
        …Mohammed had a 9 year old “wife”.
        
        …the relentless slagging off of western men must stop.
        
        Nope, that’s damage control alright. Your problem is that you are joining dots where don’t deserve to be joined. Says more about you and your paranoia than the MSM. Plus your hypocrisy because you seem to have little problem going from the particular to the universal when it comes to…Muslim men.
        
        5 3
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:13pm
      - SGA
        
        I don’t condone the actions of those men, but the relentless slagging off of western men must stop.
        
        I get tired of some of the over-the-top stuff too (as a Western man). That said, using dismissive words like “flirty” when “lewd” and “indecent” are really what the issue was about doesn’t help, I think.
        For the record –
        Should these adolescent girls be able to perform their dance without lewd or indecent comments from men? (Well, yes)
        Was that a realistic expectation? (Extremely unlikely – especially where there was likely to have been some drinking going on).
        Does that excuse the lewd and indecent comments? (Well, no – an opportunity to act like an arsehole isn’t an excuse for acting like an arsehole).
        
        10 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:15pm
      - itstricky
        
        There is very little mention of exactly who was responsible for the verbal abuse at the train station. And they also got to meet role model Ryan (OMG, a white man!), so ‘relentless slagging of Western men’ is a very long bow.
        
        6 2
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:22pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    cmm, you seem to have similar views to Kimbo regarding underage girls. The fact that Mohammad was a pedo in no way justifies making lewd comments to young woman and certainly not underage girls.
    
    10 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:17am
    - Kimbo
      
      Nice try, Chuck Bird. Have you had that paternity test yet?
      
      Now, write out 100 times:
      
      “Statutory rape is not the same as pedophilia, so, while both are morally wrong and illegal, nonetheless it is why the law traditionally treats them differently”.
      
      6 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:08pm
    - cmm
      
      I do not talk for Kimbo, so I won’t comment on what he might or might not have said and what it means.
      
      I am not condoning saying anything lewd to young girls. I think that is poor. Just because Mohammed was worse does not make it Ok either.
      
      What I am objecting to is using that incident in an article to run the tired “rape culture” thing up the pole again.
      
      That there are a few louts in the world does not make for a rape culture.
      
      They slag off all western/Kiwi men in one article, then hold up SBW as such a nice bloke in another (when he chooses to follow a paedo). That is a problem.
      
      10 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        then hold up SBW as such a nice bloke in another (when he chooses to follow a paedo)
        
        And there’s the non sequitur. So, allegedly was Gandhi.
        
        http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article105581626.html
        
        And Jesus too.
        
        http://news.bfnn.co.uk/was-jesus-a-paedophile-some-people-think-so/
        
        I agree and acknowledge that you do not encourage or condone the lewd behaviour. But however unreasonable you perceive the MSM to be, it is not a justification to rant about, let alone draw the connection between SBW and the alleged failings of the founder of his faith. Non sequential…
        
        3 8
        Report
        July 8, 2017 12:22pm
  - Gabby
    
    Save the fletting with little girls for the bantustans cmmie bokkie.
    
    1 10
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:08pm
  - SPC
    
    Misrepresentation and then paranoid about media agenda?
    
    The performance was not based on stripping or pole dancing (this is just what men are used to seeing after a few drinks).
    
    And the only reason SBW was mentioned was because he would have been at team training but not training with the team. Thus was the one most available.
    
    No it was not a conspiracy to put down western men (it was Lions supporters) and promote Islam. While there has always been a feminist critique of male culture focused around sport and drinking apart from female companions … it does not lead to championing of Islam or prohibition.
    
    Whatever white men of western civilisation might think about someone (MSM in bed with liberals, feminists) organising an conspiracy of their critics to unite against them …
    
    3 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:45pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Hmm. If your advice were taken, I fear contributions to Kiwiblog would plummet by some 80%! Not a pleasant prospect just you, me, SGA, itstricky and the occasional drive-by posts by William of Occam, Hugh Pavletich and Penny Bright. What the hell would we discuss, other than Griff and Maggy Wassilief on AGW and stephieboy trolling?! 😉
      
      6 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:56pm
      - SPC
        
        It’s the Trump era effect, more out and proud people about discussing (singing) My way (Our way) is the best.
        
        Remembering the ancient wisdom, if we are to be civilised at the dinner table, do not discuss certain topics.
        
        As to trumpetering and elephant like qualities.
        
        0 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:08pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”you, me, SGA, itstricky and the occasional drive-by posts by William of Occam, Hugh Pavletich and Penny Bright”….
        
        A circle jerk & soggy biscuit epic worthy of inclusion in the Guinness Book of Records! 🙂
        
        8 0
        Report
        July 8, 2017 1:28pm
- Gabby
  
  Meeting Sonnybill bowled them over. No cold shoulder from him.
  
  1 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:36pm
  - G152
    
    Don’t you mean sunni bill ?
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 1:52pm
- RF
  
  SBW Not worth commenting about. Just a POS.
  
  0 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:13pm
lastmanstanding

Vlad giving The Don tipped on how to sort out the shit in the US of A.

Vlad knows how to deal with the trouble makers.
10 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:46am
trout

Trump’s vspeech to the Poles is worth taking notice of. Here is Tucker Carlson’s take on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fymMHb2Mrjw
In Trump we may, at last, have a defender of the worth of Western civilization and a push back against those that wish to destroy it from within and ‘without’.
21 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:48am
- PhilBest
  
  Glad someone has brought that up on here. That was a speech in the mould of Churchill and Reagan, something we might have given up expecting from any leader of the now-effete west. Trump the man is certainly not a Churchill or a Reagan, but saying the right thing in the face of modern PC SJW cultural hijacking covers a multitude of flaws.
  
  18 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:41am
  - Ross12
    
    Phil
    Churchill also had a few flaws, but as I’ve said a few people who screw their nose up about Trump –a good leader doesn’t always have to be a likeable person.
    I agree on your comments about the speech.
    
    11 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:16am
- calendar girl
  
  Here’s the Trump’s Warsaw speech in full (36 minutes) – for those who have a little patience and are prepared to make their own judgement at first hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3nKhhz7ZMw
  
  In my personal opinion, well worth a viewing.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 4:12pm
- Inandout
  
  CNN are seriously deluded, FFS.
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/07/opinions/trump-fell-for-putins-trap-psaki/index.html
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 5:44pm
EAD_TWO

NZ has made Global (alt-right) headlines as Susan Devoys “anti-racism” campaign gets coverage from Red Ice TV!

https://redice.tv/news/nz-anti-racism-campaign-target-whites

Excerpt:

Last year the Human Rights Commission launched the That’s Us campaign, asking New Zealanders to submit their stories of racism they have experienced. The results were published on their site, which failed to include any stories from European New Zealanders; stories that they certainly received, as I sent some in myself.

This year The Commission have taken a much ‘hipper’ approach to get their propaganda across by using the edgy tool of Irony, and who better to deliver it than master of post-ironic comedy himself, Mr Waititi-Cohen.

The main video for the campaign is produced like it’s an NGO shilling their cause; the twist being that instead of poor Africans, they are asking the viewer to give to the cause of Racism. The whole piece is sarcastic, snarky and dripping with the kind of ironic humour that has catapulted Waititi-Cohen from small time short film maker to Hollywood director and Disney script writer.

Some of the YouTube comments mocking the “anti racism” video are brilliant!

“I wasn’t planning on any racism but I feel more positively inclined towards it after watching this video. Thanks guys – Questor55

“You’re against colonialism but you’re using the internet and a computer, which were made by the descendents of the very colonialists you hate. Why don’t you stop being a hypocrite and live somewhere like Africa? They got no white guys down there. I hear that continent is doing just fine – New Canadian Turtle
10 5
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 10:21am
Kabull

I was reading an article this morning where a person was complaining that a new housing development in Wellington had nothing under $600k. She wanted to know where the ‘affordable housing’ was.
Then I remembered reports yesterday that scaffolders can earn $70,000 straight after qualifying, and workers in the construction industry have average earnings of $99,000. While there is no doubt some difference between ‘construction industry’ and ‘builders’, I suspect its probably not much. I’ve heard crane drivers can earn up in this bracket as well.

So clearly there are many ‘poor, underpaid’ workers doing very nicely thank you – earning more than enough to qualify as ‘rich pricks’. With wages like this, how can there possibly be any chance that a standard 3-bedroom house could be built for around $300,000? Or even $500,000?
15 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 10:24am
- PhilBest
  
  Oh come on, I know qualified tradies doing subbie work for $20 per hour.
  
  All the problem is in the “value” – actually the price, not the value – of the dirt underneath the property.
  
  The $200,000 – $300,000 new houses in US cities Hugh tells us about (and he is not kidding us) are being built on $40,000 – $100,000 sections (and they are not pocket hanky ones either).
  
  The way urban land markets are distorted by growth boundaries ALWAYS results in section prices “expanding” to take up any slack, or even to crowd out the opportunities for income in other parts of the supply chain. This is observable from decades of evidence, to which the urban planning class is impervious.
  
  Enabling tighter and cheaper housing, and screwing labour and construction down, always merely provides land and site vendors with higher price opportunities.
  
  13 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:49am
  - Colville
    
    Tradies working for $20/hr on what planet?
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 1:01pm
    - Paulus
      
      Tradies charge $80 for call out first, not weekends – double that.
      I had a water pipe failure in my garage on a Sunday – at the end of an hours work with a new stopcock I got a bill for just under $700.
      And you wonder the high prices charged for new house where such is easily done.
      
      6 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 1:39pm
    - PhilBest
      
      This is when they are working for someone else. They are not always working for themselves and charging out top dollar. And there is a big difference between emergency repair charge-out rates, and what you can get paid for turning up day after day after day on a construction site. The price of new houses is certainly not because “labour” is over-remunerated. Its all in the dirt underneath, thanks to urban planners shutting off the supply of cheap stuff in alternative uses.
      
      6 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 2:32pm
- SPC
  
  There is only a connection between cranes/scaffolder wages and residential property prices with the apartment building.
  
  You save on the land per unit but pays for that in the shortage of skilled labour – it does beg the question as to why there are not more migrants in this area of work (the pay is over the $50,000 required for skilled worker status).
  
  Maybe the same jobs are well paid over in Oz too. And for the same reason, high land values, rising population and building upward.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:17am
  - Harriet
    
    “…..There is only a connection between cranes…”
    
    As an aside……I read last week that over 900 cranes were operating in Sydney! 900!! — I was there 6 months ago and would say that is true.
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 11:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    Actually there is urban economics literature that should be better known, that states “site values are elastic to allowed density” under certain conditions.
    
    This is why upzonings and “special housing areas” are such a dismal failure. The minute the allowed density is increased, the incumbent site owners adjust their price expectations upwards, and actual developers have to pay the entire premium value up front. Then the chances of the actual developers surviving to put completed units on the market is reduced, not increased. There is some benefit temporarily if some developers are holding sites at the time the rezoning is done, and the previous seller of the land was not anticipating this. But guess what – all the speculators are incentivised to hang on and wait for further upzonings, because that is the current mania and orthodoxy in urban planning, and spineless “once were free market” politicians like the Nats play along with it. (In Pommie-land the Conservatives are more explicitly the crony-capitalist allies of the landed gentry and the Dukes of London and so on).
    
    It is a fact provable from the global evidence, that the smaller the average new house becomes under the planning system, the more expensive it is on average, not the cheaper it is on average. All the truly affordable, median-multiple-3 cities have large average-size new houses and even larger sections.
    
    We are watching this same process playing out in NZ urban property markets and planning processes right now. The Poms have been doing it for decades and haven’t ever learned, and in fact urban planners everywhere else are going “hey, lets copy them”.
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 2:42pm
- VicParking
  
  The people who move into these houses sell their old house to a first home buyer. Its only The slavedrivers liebour and the snowflakes that think that when you buy a new house you burn your old one to the ground.
  
  9 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:08pm
cas

There are some programmes worth listening to on national radio ( 7pm through to 6 am is very good value) and one of them is Country Life.

This morning someone in charge of Maori development in kiwifruit ( around Te Puke?) was talking about employing Indians and the fact that the locals needed to learn the work ethic.
14 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 11:10am
- SPC
  
  Sometimes however “work ethic” comes down to being available to work seven days a week, and often on a casual on-call or changing shift basis. And with no over-time rates, or out of the traditional weekday hour rates of the old awards.
  
  Which is a major change in working conditions which impacts on the ability to participate in the community (sport etc).
  
  5 6
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:25am
  - holysheet
    
    If it was a choice of obtaining work to provide accommodation, food etc, or playing sport, guess what most would choose.
    
    7 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:14pm
    - SPC
      
      Sure, which is why the large reduction in people playing team sport on leaving high school, their work hours do not allow them to.
      
      But it is only because employers are allowed to advertise jobs requiring such availability – if they were not, they would advertised weekend work separately. And many students and those looking for the second job (to save for a house or pay down the mortgage before rates increased) would do it instead.
      
      3 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 12:34pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Times haven’t changed since the 70s. As a young married man I worked evenings and Saturdays in a second job as a watersider first to save the 30% deposit required for a new home and then to maintain the two mortgages (one at 13% and a second at 19%) after we took possession. Wife worked as well and sports were a thing of the past. Such was life in the workers paradise of the Peoples Socialist Republic of Aotearoa under Norman Kirk and Bill Rowling.
      
      8 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 1:52pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Did Rob Muldoon fix it?
        
        Guess what was happening to the burden of your principal debt, as inflation was running at 15%+ per annum?
        
        A massive mortgage at a low interest rate in low-inflation times is NOT the same as a modest mortgage with a high interest rate in high-inflation times. The current era of “lucky” first home buyers (a tiny minority compared to those who cannot get into the market at all) will be making the kind of sacrifices you had to make for the first few years, for two decades or more, if they can handle it. Any bad luck during that time will bankrupt them.
        
        Hugh Pavletich has been right all along and the “John Key National cannot do wrong” Kiwiblog crowd aren’t thinking things through and aren’t hewing to the time-honoured Kiwi Fair Go tradition. Old folk advising the younger ones that things are equally tough now and then, are doing a grave dis-service and may mislead the young folk into calamity if they do buy. Unfortunately the likely “solutions” even from National now, is going to be an expansion in the operations of the State in the property market; a classic case of layer upon layer of utopian socialist messing with the market, each to remedy the evils of the previous one. Like the old fable of the King, the Mice and the Cheese. The end outcome is either Thatchernomics or Venezuela.
        
        1 5
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:51pm
Fletch

George Clooney, who has long advocated for the importation of refugees and who has publicly pushed for more and says the West aren’t taking enough, has moved his family from the UK back to the USA because of concerns for the safety of his family after the latest terror attacks there.

*cough*hypocrite!*cough*

Paul Joseph Watson blasts him in a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmO34nCewvE
19 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 11:25am
- holysheet
  
  What else have we come to expect from these leftie fuckwits who supported Killary.
  Like all lefties, It’s do as I say, not as I do.
  
  18 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:16pm
- Manolo
  
  Will he donate his Lake Como mansion to be used as a refugee shelter?
  
  14 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 1:11pm
virtualmark

Extract from the CIA’s psych profile of Kim Jong Il:

* Great insecurity and preoccupation with one’s own brilliance. Because of the need to be perfect, imparting new information to Kim proved difficult, as he reacted negatively to criticism.
* Extreme sensitivity to being slighted, and a tendency to surround oneself with sycophants who tell the leader what he wants to hear rather than what he needs to hear; out of touch with political reality.
* Optimism about one’s own chances and a tendency to underestimate the adversary.
Words used instrumentally to accomplish whatever is seen as necessary; apparently sincere commitments are thus easily changed or disregarded (for example, violation of the Agreed Framework).
* Flawed interpersonal relationships because of a tendency to see another as the extension of the self, with little capacity to appreciate their needs.
* Loyalty viewed as a one-way street. Moreover, individuals who are seen to be powerful in their own right are perceived as a threat and eliminated.

Hattip Ian Bremmer, Eurasia Group
9 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 11:42am
- Gabby
  
  You’re right, it does sound familiar. It may come up at the morning Praise Me session.
  
  1 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:15pm
- SGA
  
  hmmm… I wonder how many nation’s leaders, past and present, would tick at least some, if not all, of those boxes 🙂 🙂
  * Great insecurity and preoccupation with one’s own brilliance.
  * Extreme sensitivity to being slighted, and a tendency to surround oneself with sycophants
  * Optimism about one’s own chances and a tendency to underestimate the adversary.
  * Flawed interpersonal relationships because of a tendency to see another as the extension of the self, with little capacity to appreciate their needs.
  * Loyalty viewed as a one-way street.
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 12:49pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Is a standard summation of the “Messiah Complex” that drives most politicians of all nations, and from every part of the political spectrum. Thiose who don’t are soon culled out. Ego big enough to think they are needed and can do a better job of running people’s lives than they can do themselves! There is a reason the self-doubting Hamlet never inherited the throne!
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 12:54pm
Morrissey

Hapless Nick Smith is the gift that keeps on giving

The commentator “Gristle” sums it up perfectly:

My take on Nick Smith is that he truely believes that he is the smartest man in the room and his memories and analysis are the most correct. As such, he spouts all sorts of (let’s be charitable) less than perfect thoughts that fit his carefully constructed interpretation of reality.

https://thestandard.org.nz/what-happened-to-the-newshub-article-about-nick-smith-and-the-pike-river-film/
2 14
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 1:14pm
- PhilBest
  
  I know a National backbencher who says that he and some others tear their hair out over Nick Smith’s appalling economic instincts, like he should have been in the Labour Party all along. And these guys are right – Tories who STILL defend Nick Smith are part of a BIG problem with this country.
  
  I mean, look at all those years of announcements of grand State interference in housing markets, each stage sliding further and further towards the kind of thing we would have expected from Labour Dinosaurs. Now that the SHA’s have failed, like some of us always said they would, because we understand urban economics, it is “investment in more public housing”. Desperation to outflank Labour on the Left as an election approaches, all because there had been 9 years of NOT doing the right “centre right” thing, wasted.
  
  As I said SHA’s wouldn’t work, I will also predict that the more “social housing” you provide, the more insatiable the demand for it because of the “private” rest of the market being irredeemably distorted. When Thatcher came along, fully 1/3 of the Poms were in social housing and taxpayers money was being “run out of”. And there is always another cohort of the population who are NOT QUITE in the social housing, who are doing it tougher than those who ARE in it. Great for incentives to pay your own way versus dropping out and becoming a ward of the State.
  
  7 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 2:59pm
  - Kimbo
    
    On that note I was amused by this contribution by Brian Gaynor in the NZ Herald today. Like the media panics over the likes of Leaky Homes, Pike River etc that set the agenda had nothing to do with it!:
    
    The massive increase in rules, regulations and compliance is one of the major issues facing New Zealand businesses. This regulatory imposition is accelerating, even though we have a right of centre, supposedly business-friendly Government.
    
    …Herein rests one of the problems: we swing dramatically from too little to too much regulation, based on one or two high-profile incidents. Rules-addicted ministers and officials introduce a raft of rules and regulations with limited explanation, no obvious cost/benefit analysis and little concern for the costs they impose on businesses.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11886974
    
    8 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 3:07pm
Manolo

Thin-skinned crook and boss of Hillary’s team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-podesta-why-is-trump-tweeting-about-me-when-he-should-be-doing-his-job/2017/07/07/fc2c74a6-6338-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html?utm_term=.f65a6a5676f7
9 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 1:33pm
- Ross12
  
  Podestra suffers from the same problem as CNN –they don’t know when to shut up. Over the MEME issue CNN should have just ignored it ( or better still laughed at it to show a sense of humour). Similarly Podestra should just ignore the tweet but his ego won’t allow it.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 2:59pm
Longknives

Has forcing the Rugby Crowd to sing that cringeworthy Maori song been New Zealand Rugby’s biggest flop since that Ad campaign a few years ago asking for cash donations?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/94447518/tutira-mai-has-no-place-as-a-sporting-chant

It’s been a hilarious failure! The Lions supporters I know laugh their asses off at the desperate,lonely sounding guy on the PA trying to get the NZ fans singing a song nobody bloody knows…
10 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 2:14pm
- Kimbo
  
  Hey, LK.
  
  I think it has been ~~a week~~ six days, and as far as I can tell, you haven’t got back to me with that evidence that, contrary to Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”
  
  …the incident that caused the injuries that Brian O’Driscoll sustained in 2005 was premeditated. I know you like to describe yourself as the Shayne Philpott of Kiwiblog, but come on! You are looking more and more like easily distracted and wayward Kit Fawcett every day! May be scoring lots off the field, but very little to show other than giving up intercepts on it! 😉
  
  3 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 2:18pm
  - Longknives
    
    Kit Fawcett! Strong Touring Team that ’76 line up..
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_New_Zealand_rugby_union_tour_of_South_Africa
    
    2 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 2:26pm
    - Kimbo
      
      That 1976 All Black team had real potential and at their best, great style. Is interesting in the greater scheme of things in that, while South Africa stuck to their conservative style based on attempted dominance at first phase, kicking for position and goal, and counter-punch off aggressive defense – and they won that 1976 series with it – in the long run the adventurous 15-man style of the All Black team has paid dividends. Put it this way, at the end of 1976 the Springboks led 20 tests to 15 vs the All Blacks, but since then it is about 3 to 1 in our favour, with the current count 55 to 35 in the All Blacks favour.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_New_Zealand_and_South_Africa
      
      But the1976 All Black team, despite the bleating about South African refs, was flawed – as the losses to Western Province, Northern Transvaal and Orange Free State confirm. But interestingly, the 1978 “Grand Slam” All Blacks had many of the same flaws – unreliable goal kicking (except in the test against Wales! 😉 ), fullbacks who weren’t of first string international calibre, a No. 8 with flaws (Andy Leslie was too short in 1976, and Gary Seear not mobile enough in 1978), and a lack of depth and sufficient technique among some of the front row.
      
      Nonetheless, everyone on the 1978 tour was entirely committed and disciplined both on and off the field, courtesy of the superb leadership of manager Russ Thomas, coach Jack Gleeson, and captain Graham Mourie. Not so in 1976, indeed there is the suspicion that JJ Stewart allowed too much senior player power, which meant dirt trackers who were playing well were not given a chance to make the test side.
      
      Sorry, I don’t have sympathy for All Black complaints we lost in 1976 due to their refs, anymore than I do for Welsh complaints about the ref when we won in 1978. Like Sean Connery in The Rock: “You’ll do your best?! Losers whine ‘I’ll do my best’. Winners f%$k the Prom Queen!”. 😉
      
      4 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      July 8, 2017 2:41pm
      - Longknives
        
        I was only One year old in 1976 so I will defer to your wisdom Kimbo!
        
        4 1
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I wasn’t even born when Kevin Skinner played, but at least I’ve researched! 😉
        
        Which, despite witnessing the events that led to Brian O’Driscoll’s injury in 2005, you seem to fail to do…despite your emphatic assertions on the matter. Your self-confessed “utility” status may see you wander out of position easily, Longknives, but despite your apparent success to distract me with that 1976 All Blacks link, I don’t take my eye off the ball. And as Chuck Bird and Nukuleka can confirm, I don’t forget readily 😉
        
        2 2
        Report
        July 8, 2017 2:54pm
      - Longknives
        
        I answered your question extensively one night Kimbo (RF can confirm as he had similar thoughts on the matter to me)- And alas I have no idea how to find that post now..
        But in a nutshell- Yeah I do believe BOD was ‘targeted’ (You are living in Disneyland if you think such a thing could never happen- Over the years I’ve seen All Blacks do it to opponents and likewise I’ve seen opponents ‘Target’ All Blacks) as O’Driscoll was the heart and soul of that Lion’s Team once Dallaglio was out of the Series..
        The attitude of Henry and Co and the cover-up that followed was nothing short of Disgraceful..(But again I went through all this in my previous Post)
        
        2 3
        Report
        July 8, 2017 3:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Longknives
        
        Hmm. A bit like a haka performed by an under 8 team – loud on noise, over-exaggerated in terms of posturing and emphatic assertion…light on substance or the capacity to overwhelm. Or are you confusing
        
        I do believe…,
        
        buttressed by the bluff
        
        You are living in Disneyland if you think such a thing could never happen..
        
        (no Longknives, I’m asking what is your evidence that it happened in this instance), and the unspecific
        
        I’ve seen…I’ve seen…
        
        buttressed by “the dog ate my homework” excuse:
        
        I answered your question extensively one night Kimbo,,,But again I went through all this in my previous Post
        
        with…evidence?
        
        So if your arguments and evidence are so clear and cogent it shouldn’t be so hard to recall and repeat them, should it?! 😉
        
        0 4
        Report
        July 8, 2017 3:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Is this the thread, Longknives? (you first chimed in at June 5, 2017 6:25pm)
        
        Kimbo I bow to your Rugby knowledge 99% of the time but the attack on O’Driscoll was both calculated and deliberate.
        Watching a drunken Graham Henry arrogantly smirking and refusing to answer questions about it at the Press conference (I was there!) was the end of my lifetime support of the All Blacks.
        The cover-up that followed was nothing short of disgraceful.
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_5_june_2017.html
        
        …because if it is, and if I apply Hanlon’s razor to your “evidence”, then on what basis should I agree that it was a “malicious conspiracy” instead of a “stupid stuff up”,
        
        ….other than Graham Henry is a smarmy prick (I could have told you that – indeed I did from 1st hand experience!),
        
        …and the supposedly circumstantial evidence that key players sometimes get injured at bad times (has been happening since William Webb Ellis first picked up the ball and ran with it!)
        
        …and accepting your logically-flawed premise that one should have to disprove a negative (“You are living in Disneyland if you think such a thing could never happen”)?
        
        0 4
        Report
        July 8, 2017 3:41pm
- big bruv
  
  Knives, is that the song that the Lions fans have totally taken as their own by inserting the word ‘Lions’ right when the Kiwi fans should be at full voice?
  
  I did cringe at that stupid song when I first heard it, typical PC bullshit and of course it had to be in stone age tongue. But now, given its most glorious failure I think its hilarious.
  
  5 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 3:51pm
big bruv

Of course BOD was targeted, anybody who looked at that tackle objectively could only come to that conclusion.
3 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 3:47pm
- Kimbo
  
  Ah, the old “it’s obvious – you are just too blind to see” gambit, from Kiwiblog’s most astute and measured rugby critic…who claims he never bothers to watch the game, much less the All Blacks.
  
  Shall I anticipate Sir Leslie Bottock’s contribution, based on a summary of all his other posts – of course it was deliberate – Kiwi supporters are biased and their players are dirty.
  
  Love you guys. Hours of free entertainment. 😉
  
  3 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 3:50pm
- Longknives
  
  Picking up a player off the ball (it was being flung around by the backs half-way across the field by then) and dropping him on his neck isn’t a “Tackle” Bruv….
  
  4 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 3:52pm
  - Kimbo
    
    True. It was a “clean out at the ruck” using a technique (lifting a player up by one leg) that referees and coaches had allowed to creep into the game over the previous 18 or so months, rather than following the law, by binding onto the opponent and driving him off the ball, not up.
    
    Further supporting the Hanlon’s Razor stuff-up, not conspiracy analysis is that in such a situation, and as those who have played the game know, in the absence of specific communication, players attempting the clean out have the heads and eyes down or looking forward…and are usually unaware of what is happening on the other side of the body of the opponent they are grappling with. Including whether the ball has been released and is now in the hands of a centre in midfield. If you stop the clean out to look around you diminish the effectiveness and will lose possession if the ball is still there to be contested at the tackle. is part of the dynamics which those who have played the game, rather than opining from an armchair know occurs…at nearly every ruck or maul!
    
    Is why, if I was in a ruck or maul and I saw the ball released I’d always shout “break” to let my team mates know to get their heads up and chasing after the ball, but that’s not how it happens most of the time.
    
    So therefore it is unlikely Umaga and Mealamu were aware what they other was doing. And despite his anger and suspicions about the incident, at no stage has O’Driscoll indicated Umaga and Mealamu were communicating with one another.
    
    Therefore on the balance of probabilities it was stupidity (of technique), not malice.
    
    1 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 4:00pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Oh, yes, the other thing that happens in a physical collision situation such as Mealamu and Umaga were in. is that players naturally close their eyes. Is an automatic response that some players manage to overcome, but nonetheless it is the natural instinct.
    
    Yet more circumstantial evidence why, despite it being seemingly “obvious” in slow motion sitting in your armchair, those in the split-second situation judged and acted differently, each unaware of the position of the ball, much less that the other was lifting up O’Driscoll’s leg…and once he went up, he had to come down.
    
    A damning indictment on the technique that players had been allowed to use at the time by administrators, referees and coaches – and why it was quickly outlawed when the consequences were shown up with O’Driscoll. I think I first saw the technique used by a Springbok player in a game against the All Blacks in 2004 and thought it spelled trouble, just as I think the current law encouraging and incentivising players to come off their feet when catching a high ball – it suposedly makes them “immune” from being tackled – is the same. It is only a matter of time IMHO before a player is seriously injured because in a split second an opponent will misjudge the point at which they come to earth and can be tackled, or, in jumping for the ball, mistimes and obstructs the man in the air.
    
    There was a tragic death in a game in 1899 between Otago and Taranaki where the law of the game at the time encouraged players to go up and try and “hurdle” an oponent, and I fear, with the current laws, it is only a matter of time before another top player is killed and/or paralysed for life.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Armit
    
    0 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 4:23pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  No he wasn’t.
  
  The gutless thug wearing black 12 wasn’t bright enough to do that.
  
  It was just another case (as again seen this year) of an ex-bullrush player reacting naturally (for him) after being made to look like a fool.
  
  And BB, it wasn’t a “tackle. The whinging one was trapped in a ruck/maul and the act was simple thuggery by two disgraces to NZ rugby.
  
  Never cited or referred to the judiciary by either side (I spoke to the judge) though so were the poms equally as sick of the B O’D whinging?
  
  4 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 4:34pm
Longknives

Much earlier than that Kimbo..
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 3:49pm
- Kimbo
  
  OK. Thanks, LK.
  
  And you can’t recall it sufficiently to summarise the “evidence” even in bullet form? Or is this now the old, “I just can’t be bothered because it is so tiresome/not worth my time” bluff? 😉
  
  0 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 3:52pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha- Is Character Evidence ‘admissable’ Kimbo?
    Because your beloved Defendants aren’t quite the ‘Angels’ you are presenting to the Court now are they??
    
    3 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    July 8, 2017 8:30pm
sooty

Police in aus shoot man and woman after a false gun pulled at swingers club.
4 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 5:12pm
- holysheet
  
  At least they both got a bang they went there for.
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 5:22pm
sooty

Stewie on delta airlines cracks passenger on the head with a wine bottle, after he tries to open door one hour into flight. (He must have realised he was on the wrong plane)
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 5:16pm
big bruv

Oh dear, oh dear NZ rugby fans. Your team choked once again.

I fucking loved it!
5 3
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 9:57pm
- SPC
  
  Na, it was Poite who choked.
  
  What’s your team bb, snarky united?
  
  3 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:14pm
stigie

Wasn’t a brilliant test match, too many errors from both teams.
The haka was entertaining BB..?
3 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 10:03pm
- big bruv
  
  Lol, I dont ‘do’ the haka or the national anthems unless it is the Welsh or the Scottish teams playing at home.
  
  3 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 10:17pm
SPC

The last AB vs Lions draw was the 14-14 game, same venue back in 1971.
3 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 10:13pm
cha

Harry-it is gonna love this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_wqGyXCs8
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 10:18pm
Nookin

Dear Monsiour Poite.
You must have had your mind on something else at the time so just in case you are not yet up with play:
He caught the fucking ball. He held on to it. Deliberately. He then dropped it like a hot potato realising he had stuffed up. He then put his hands in the air in surrender. He knew, like every single other person at the ground, that he had cost the Lions the game and the series. It was a frikken penalty.

Another word, Monsieur Poite. “Advantage”! It is something you play when the other side fucks up. You let play run on a bit. Like, maybe Liennart-Brown may have been able to remain upright as he ran the last few steps, unopposed, to score under the posts. There was no-one to stop him. What was it about an inevitable try that troubled you so much?
Here is a tip for you. When one team or another, the Lions on every occasion in this particular test, send a consortium to protest every decision against them, you do not kowtow and change your mind. First time round, you march them back ten metres. Second time you stick one of them in the bin. Whatever happens, you do not change your fucking mind—especially when the replay and the TMO said you were right in the first place.
Keeping Stock said the other day that he was nervous about a French ref. How right he was.
3 2
Log in to Reply
Report
July 8, 2017 11:34pm
- Kimbo
  
  He caught the fucking ball. He held on to it. ~~Deliberately~~ Instinctively. He then dropped it like a hot potato realising he had stuffed up.
  
  There! Fixed that for ya. Not that it should have made a difference according to the laws of the game, but in the interests of sport? Maybe.
  
  Yeah, sure, if there was justice the same measuring rod would have been applied to Faumuina’s tackle in the last few minutes last week. But it wasn’t. That’s rugby. That’s life.
  
  Anyway, what a brilliant game, and a brilliant result! Gutsiest Lions team I ever saw (I was too young to see the 1971 Lions). The first test my dad ever saw was at Carisbrook in 1959, when a brilliant Lions team scored 4 tries but lost to 6 Don Clarke penalties. They ended up losing that series 1-3, when it could well have been 3-1 in their favour. So justice always evens out in the long run.
  
  And rugby was the winner tonight. Really!
  
  2 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  July 8, 2017 11:50pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

stop whinging and grow up sookin you bad loser!
1 0
Log in to Reply
Report
July 9, 2017 7:07am

Add a Comment Cancel reply

Login to comment or vote

« Why not a ban for life?

Why NZ Superannuation will be unaffordable »

Donations

You can now donate to Kiwiblog

Exclusive content from DPF on Patreon

Become a Patron!

Never miss a post

Email Address

Join 37.4K other subscribers

Highlights

Health Target 5 – elective treatments
Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

Links

D-day for the government
No Right Turn
Mike's Minute: Is this MMP working properly?
Breaking Views
15 YEARS AGO: Now a more bigoted state
Not PC
I Hikoi’d across Bridge in 2004 and 2024 – here’s why it was different and why National should be worried
The Daily Blog
Greenpeace And The Green Party Would Never Tell You This About Penguins.
No Minister
Sowell says
Hompaddock
This Government’s day of shame
The Standard
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
LANGUAGE MIS-USE
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
Next time you buy Mainland Cheese, don’t think the “Mainland” is the South Island – it will be Mainland China
Point of Order
Trump’s victory: Golden age or fiscal reckoning?
Utopia
“Trans & Pregnant” – Biology trumps gender ideology
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Pretty (il)legal
Croaking Cassandra
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz