General Debate 3 July 2017

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duggledog

‘More help should be given to people struggling to save for their retirement because they can’t afford to put money away, KiwiSaver architect Sir Michael Cullen says’.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/334320/kiwisaver-10-years-on-time-to-make-it-compulsory

I’m one of those adults not in Kiwisaver. Never saw the point of it.

The returns you get after fees etc are never going to be more than what a bank charges in interest, therefore it’s better to have a mortgage and put any $ towards paying that off.

Having a mortgage is effectively saving. Houses are still ridiculously cheap in many parts of NZ and there is plenty of work to be had in the regions. Even Northland.

If you can’t get $50,000 together by the age of 30 to get a deposit down on a cheap house in the regions then what have you been doing?
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July 3, 2017 8:02am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Even Northland!”
  
  But its full of Maoris. The police have lost control of the situation up there according to locals.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    So too have the Kuia and Kaumatua, where is the much vaunted leadership?
    
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    July 3, 2017 12:15pm
- mandk
  
  Maybe you should have a mortgage and Kiwisaver.
  
  After fees, my Kiwisaver scheme returned the equivalent of 11% before tax last year.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:07am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    I moved my into a high performing oufit and its doing way better than inflation + fees too.
    
    It should be tax free, that would grow the collective fund a lot faster.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:12am
    - KevOB
      
      You can’t have it both ways. The tax now frees the payouts from tax.
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:09am
- Prince
  
  A sure sign that the economy has finally recovered after 9 years of Cullen-spend. He’s back, asking we start splurging again.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:21am
- ztev
  
  So you are going to turn your back on $500 or so government subsidy every year?
  Investments in shares are always going to be higher than bank interest over the long term- and for young people KS is long term
  For 90% of people the fact that the money comes out of their pay packet before they see it is a good thing.
  
  Putting aside $30 a week isnt going to be enough to have a deposit for a house- they will increase faster than that- yet it will provide a handsome lump sum at 65- which can be kept invested unless you are on your bones
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:33am
  - pdm
    
    Good lord – I agree with ztev.
    
    KiwiSaver was stuffed up in two ways:
    
    1. The default provision should have been at least into Balanced Funds not Conservative or Defensive.
    2, The IRD should not have been the middleman – employers/members should have been able to forward funds direct to the Fund Managers with the IRD only coming into play for the tax credits at the end of each tax year.
    
    There is far to much `lag time’ between the funds leaving the employer and them being credited to the KiwiSaver fund. Virtually all of that time is at the IRD.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:41am
    - cmm
      
      It was stuffed up by the government getting involved.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:02am
      - ztev
        
        Ayn Rand with your breakfast was it
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:44am
    - KevOB
      
      The government directs payment to lesser risky funds as a default. The acceptance of risk should be a user choice.
      
      Direct payments. Having experience of admin of a similar fund the mismatching of client numbers etc would have been horrendous with multiple funds doing their own thing.
      
      The lag time is likely taken up up with matching contributors payments with fund subcribers. Automation can find the mismatch: humans are required to sort it out.
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:14am
  - cmm
    
    ztev: The government subsidises nothing. The tax payer subsidises it all.
    
    I give them $5000. Administration takes up, say, $200. They then give $500 back to me and another $500 to the missus. Then $3800 goes to top up other people.
    
    So did I now gain $500 or did I lose $4500?
    
    The only way Cullen can make is magic unicorn work is to take away even more money from me to give to other people.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:00am
    - ztev
      
      What an idiot.
      The kiwisaver investment funds pay tax
      Investment is a good idea, NZ doesnt save as much as it should
      Compound interest works, so the tax paid in future years is even higher.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:46am
      - cmm
        
        ztev
        
        I think saving is a very good idea.
        
        What is broken is using it as a tool for social engineering.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:58am
- peterwn
  
  What level of Kiwisaver were you thinking? There is ‘low risk’, medium and aggressive. ‘Low risk’ is going to be on a par with money in a bank savings account. Aggressive will do the best in the long term but will have ups and downs. IMO all new Kiwisavers under say 35 should be put into an aggressive default scheme, not a ‘low risk’ one as at present.
  I agree that Kiwisaver would be galling to those who can prosper from ‘hands on’ investment. In Australia I think there is a ‘cage’ system for mandatory superannuation. The contributions go into a ‘cage’ and interest/ dividends etc stay in the ‘cage’.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:45am
  - pdm
    
    Peterwn – depending on fee structures low risk may well under perform bank deposits. mrspdm still has KiwiSaver at age 66 and remains in Aggressive and doing nicely over the last 5 years thank you.
    I see the Cullen Fund declared 18%+ for it’s latest returns and with the constraints the `do gooders’ put on it’s investment allocations an Aggressive KiwiSaver funds should outperform that – even after fees and tax.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:56am
- dime
  
  Dime doesnt trust kiwisaver. I dont trust givts not to steal it.
  
  But also, Dime could have put 10 grand or whatever the amount is into kiwi saver a year… OR he could have done what he did do – prop up a brand new rental for 2 years with that money and turned 15k into 200….
  
  who gives a flying fuck about the “free” 500 bucks or whatever it is.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:34am
  - cmm
    
    “who gives a flying fuck about the “free” 500 bucks or whatever it is.”
    
    I do, and so should you. That “free” $500 is costing both you and me thousands so that Cullen can pretend it is free.
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:00am
    - dime
      
      oh i hear ya in that regard.
      
      was more like – $500 may be the world to ztev and hes aghast at the thought that someone wouldnt claim it, but the reality is it is meaningless to me… outside of the churn and theft involved!
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:21am
- Paulus
  
  As has been said before the only winners in KiwiSaver is the Fund Managers.
  Next year savers will get a shock, when the Fund Managers will have to declare “in Dollars” how much they have ripped out of each saver.
  No wonder they are still trying to resist this.
  I speak from experience in a similar type of saving over 15 years ago where they lost my funds (a third) and still took their fees. I was locked into this similar scheme to Kiwisaver in a lump sum retirement savings.
  The same Managers are still right up with the largest schemes. They were one of those along with the Banks who conned Cullen into this.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:43am
- lifesgood
  
  “Having a mortgage is effectively saving”
  Nope, unless you want to really downgrade the type of property and where you live at retirement and most people don’t want to do that. They get used to a certain lifestyle/area etc. You could move out of a big city to a cheaper country town but there are risks with that, like access to medical care as you age.
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:56am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Trump tweets a clip of himself grounding and pounding #FAKENEWS CNN!

LOL, the Globohomos have gone into collective meltdown right on cue.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-02/trump-tweets-mock-video-himself-pummeling-fraud-news-cnn-mock-wrestling-match
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July 3, 2017 8:03am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  The Globohomos are so desperate now their To Russia With Love conspiracy theory has imploded, they want to remove/impeach Trump for his tweets.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:08am
  - sam green
    
    Wtf is a globohomo?
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:20am
    - Gruffydd
      
      This?
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:29am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Peter Thiel
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:34am
      - pdm
        
        As expected my support for ztev didn’t last long.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:42am
      - dime
        
        “Peter Thiel”
        
        homophobe
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:36am
      - ztev
        
        multiple citzenships, he was outed 10 years ago -which he hated, billionaire
        You cant get more global than that
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:51am
  - Gabby
    
    Globohomophobe.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:34pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Excellent!
  
  FNN getting some of their own back – the lying hypocrites. What about the decapitated head with blood dripping from it?
  Bunch of lying arseholes!
  
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  July 3, 2017 12:59pm
SGA

Even some our most ardent Trump fans must find this a little weird for a POTUS to be posting? No?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/94315000/us-president-donald-trump-posts-altered-wwe-video-to-attack-fraud-news-cnn
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July 3, 2017 8:04am
- brett68
  
  Is the guy drunk when he tweets this stuff?
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:11am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Everybody has text or shit posted while drunk, don’t be a moral hypocrite.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:14am
    - Gruffydd
      
      We can deduce from that you are permanently drunk.
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:16am
      - holysheet
        
        Better than permanently stoned like you griff.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:27am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        We can deduce from that you are permanently hypocritical.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:46am
  - ztev
    
    he doesnt drink, plus hes phobic about normal bodily functions
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Were you drunk when you wrote your comment
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:38am
- All_on_Red
  
  “Isn’t Pro Wrestling fake”
  Jim Acosta (CNN reporter)
  
  “Yes, just like your coverage!”
  Donald Trump Jnr
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:15am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Trumps tweets are hilarious. The presstitutes are obsessed with Dons tweets. That great! It allows the party to get on with passing legislation unquestioned. Genius.
  
  What’s also funny is watching FNN implode!
  
  FAKE NEWS
  
  Nz MSM are all Jeff Zucker whores.
  
  Just listen to Tv3 Breakfast show this morning. Overweight Garner, scream face Gilles and Metro sexual Aziz all have their tongues firmly inserted into Zuckers backside.
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:02am
- Fletch
  
  It’s a 10-year old skit that someone photoshopped “CNN” onto and Trump retweeted. So, he is re-tweeted a meme – just like everybody else is doing on social media. I admit that it’s probably not something the president should be doing, but Trump is not your traditional president. He is more like an ‘everyman’.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:30am
  - cha
    
    just like everybody else is doing
    
    Not everyone re-tweets memes dreamed up by anti-Semitic pricks.
    
    A review of HanAssholeSolo’s Reddit feed turns up many an offensive post. The user often uses slurs to refer to African-Americans, Muslims and gay people.
    
    Earlier this month, he posted an image showing CNN executives, hosts and employees, each with a Star of David next to them.
    
    http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.799112
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDwkYXrW0AEH6Nz.jpg
    
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    July 3, 2017 2:08pm
- Peter
  
  It’s pretty clever. He knows what they want – trivia. That is all they know how to do and it’s amusing they can’t grasp the irony.
  
  MSM could have more influence if they spent a few years returning to being journalists rather than focusing on being entertainers. No one takes z-list celebrities seriously.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:51am
- Fletch
  
  Another thing to point out – no Republicans or Democrats are upset about this – only the media. I wonder why?
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:56am
G152

I see the feel good greenies are complaining about the country schools having possum hunts and shock horror they’re killing the joeys rather than leaving them to die ‘naturally’
FFS possums are an introduced pest, they kill native birds, eat their eggs and destroy the bush.
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July 3, 2017 8:14am
- ztev
  
  It was the inhumane method of killing
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:36am
  - VicParking
    
    Did you expect them to call in a vet and pay $50 per joey. So much for fund raising. Drowning is better than being left to die.
    “drowning is peaceful, those who have had near death experiences with drowning all say the same you seem to go into a peaceful trance but we all began in a sack of fluid and water so thats why its a peaceful way to go”
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:45am
    - ztev
      
      Wake up. There are swift and painless methods available without calling a vet. I thought that a quick neck break was the method but there may be others.
      
      You should visit the country more Mr Parking
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:53am
      - VicParking
        
        Tell me ztev how do you break the neck of a 3-4cm long joey. Have you ever seen a joey in is mother pouch. From you comment I can tell you would not know a joey from a freddy.
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/16885/young-possum-in-pouch
        
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        July 3, 2017 4:19pm
  - SGA
    
    @G152
    To be more precise, it’s illegal to kill them by drowning under the Animal Welfare Act. They should have hit them on the head with a hammer, say. Also, if you are organising something like this as a school fundraiser, it would probably be a better look to put an adult in charge of killing the joeys rather than letting teenagers do it (fwiw, I killed plenty of possums as teenager, but probably in this context better to get one of parents to do it).
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:45am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      some might suggest that school fundraisers should be a fun event in which every one can participate. It’s a sad day for NZ when the murder of defenseless little animals is fun.
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:50am
      - SGA
        
        meh – schools make the most of the resources available. You could argue that getting the kids involved in a practical conservation project was a good thing, and in terms of pest control that means “murdering” (love your choice of words) defenseless little animals.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:58am
      - cmm
        
        Of course it is fun. Hunting and killing is part of our DNA.
        
        Heck, I even know vegetarians that hunt.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:10am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        bullshit it is, it’s a learned activity.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:16am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        exposing kids to animal torture is child abuse.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:29am
      - cmm
        
        Not exposing kids to reality of nature is child abuse.
        
        So is telling them that anal sex is normal.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:40am
      - SGA
        
        My goodness, cmm, that’s quite a jump. Obviously something that bothers you a lot.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:43am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        didn’t turn out too well for Jeffrey Dahmer.
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:08am
      - cmm
        
        No SGA it is not a big jump. It is all part of the schools twisting the definitions and values of society to turn us into cucks.
        
        It used to be normal to be proud of your roots, protect your society, be straight and be prepared to kill your own food (ie. understand the food chain).
        
        Now vegetarianism and being gay are normal and you’re weird if you’re straight and are prepared to be an active participant in the food chain. If you show any hint of pride in your culture (and you’re white) then you’re a racist xenophobe. It’s all part of the same thing: trying to erode society.
        
        I’ve got nothing against gays – got a few gay friends/colleagues. Nor have I got anything against vegetarians (all my immediate family are vegetarians). But neither are “normal”.
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:09am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Not sure how easy it is to kill a young possum with a hammer, damn hard to kill an adult that way. Tried to kill one with a crowbar (that’s what I had with me) once and it wasn’t easy.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:33am
      - SGA
        
        Something the size of joey wouldn’t be difficult – killed an adult possum once with the back of an axe without trouble.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:38am
      - cmm
        
        Killing with a hammer can be challenging with an adult hopping about and moving it’s head. Whack at the back of the skull where it joins on the neck (atlas joint)
        
        A bit of 2×4 is far better because it is far easier to get a blow into the right area.
        
        So is swinging it by the tail and whacking its head against a fence post.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:45am
      - Gruffydd
        
        I just chuck them to the dog.
        Killed naturally. Nothing left to clean up except their thick Ozzie skulls gnawed clean.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:57am
      - pdm
        
        When I was an early teenager,aged 13-16, I used to set gin traps overnight down at the creek near our house. In the morning I would go down with a short metal bar and kill them with that. Some of them could take a fair battering and one I had to drown to kill it.
        
        That is the way it was in the country in those days – early 1960’s.
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:54am
    - G152
      
      Spent quite a bit of time, shooting, trapping and poisoning aforesaid possums and sending the skins off to the sales at Dunedin.
      The kids at that school seem to be from farming stock with the good dose of reality that that brings.
      Perhaps one of our townees would like to tell us as to what method of death is preferable to any others?
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:42am
    - tf78
      
      I think it would be horrible for kids to see a joey hit on the head with a hammer – blood and brains everywhere. Drowning to me was the kindest way under the circumstances.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:52am
  - Ross12
    
    So what should have they done ztec ? The mother has been killed and the joey is found in the pouch –should it just be left to die of starvation etc? How is that humane ?
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:47am
    - SGA
      
      See above
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:48am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      they should have raised the joey themselves.
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:52am
      - SGA
        
        Next time this school runs one of these events, you could volunteer. “The Sir Leslie Bottocks Home for Orphaned Joeys” has a nice ring to it. 🙂 🙂 🙂
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:00am
      - Lance
        
        Either SLB is hopelessly out of touch with reality or he is a Strine
        Who the hell wants to save the possums in NZ?
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:07am
      - cmm
        
        “they should have raised the joey themselves.”
        
        Until they’re big enough to run over.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:11am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Our neighbours raised a very cute wee joey until it became big enough to take an interest in raiding their fruit trees, becoming a complete nuisance. They then got rid of the problem by releasing it back into the bush!
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      “So what should have they done”
      
      Sign them up as Labour “Fellows””?
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:11am
  - kowtow
    
    How humane is 1080?Or leg trapping while the mammal waits for the bash?
    
    Not that I give a shit , but you can’t have it both ways.
    
    BTW , the lefties who pretend to be so concerned about pests are the same ones who think human babies are pests and don’t have a problem with abortion, so maybe they can have it both ways .
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:58am
    - mandk
      
      You are correct.
      Some Greens think abortion should be allowable right up to full gestation, but then whine about killing pest species.
      Truth is that the hate people.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:37am
      - GoVege
        
        No, mandk, they care about people enough to want them to have a decent quality of life.
        And I doubt very much any Green would be in favour of full-term abortion. Sounds like a right-wing delusion.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:42am
      - Fletch
        
        they care about people enough to want them to have a decent quality of life.
        
        I’ve heard that excuse for abortion (and it is an excuse) too many times, which ignores the fact that many of history’s most famous innovators & artists pulled themselves out of poverty to become leaders in their fields. But hey, it’s easier just to predict where they’ll end up and kill them before they’re born.
        
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        July 3, 2017 11:35am
      - GoVege
        
        It’s not “an excuse”, Fletch.
        No woman or girl should be forced to have a child they are not able to care for.
        Please share with us the names of some of these “many of history’s greatest innovators and artists who pulled themselves out of poverty..”
        From what I’ve read, very few great innovators were born in poverty, unless they were lucky enough to find a wealthy sponsor, like Michael Faraday.
        In any case, the worst “poverty” is to be born into a violent home, or worse, to be given up or neglected by your mother.
        
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        July 3, 2017 6:46pm
    - GoVege
      
      Do try to keep your chauvinistic prejudices out of this debate, kowtow.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    Sure a whack with a hammer (or a crunch under boot) might be more humane, but an infant animal (newborn kitten or possum) is only vaguely conscious of its surrounding and threats. It also has a very small lung volume and no developed fear of drowning. So drowning is pretty humane.
    
    Juvenile/adult animals – nope it would not be humane to drown them.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:08am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      let me guess .. another animal torturer attempting to justify his atrocities?
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:18am
      - cmm
        
        Butts:
        
        I join my rose coloured chakra with theirs and I lead their spirit to a place of peace.
        
        Then I boot crunch their heads or shoot them.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:30am
    - SGA
      
      cmm
      
      So drowning is pretty humane.
      
      Be that as it may (or not), apparently it’s illegal, so from the school’s perspective it’s a no go.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:21am
    - GoVege
      
      The SPCA disagrees.
      They say it is particularly cruel to drown new-born critters because they have a natural reflex to hold their breath.
      OMG! Think of the millions of girl (human) babies done in over the centuries by drowning….
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:35am
      - SGA
        
        I’d rather not, but that’s just me.
        
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        July 3, 2017 9:41am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Most animals in the wild (and humans through most of history, and even today in many cases) die horribly painful deaths being ripped apart by predators or suffering excruciating pain bought on by illness, starvation and dehydration .
        
        By comparison drowning is pretty quick and relatively low pain, over in a few seconds if you are a small animal with a high rate of respiration. Reports from those who have lost consciousness in near drowning events do not paint that grim a picture, and highly motivated people can hold their breath to the point of loss of consciousness – so aside from fear/anxiety it can’t be that painful. It is massive and stupid over-reach to make it illegal, and the ridiculous overreaction to drowning of a few joeys is almost comically over-the-top.
        
        What about Halal killing (throat cutting?) Deliberate fish torturing (fly fishing etc)? Duck shooting (potentially long drawn out deaths with a few pellets lodged in them)? Pig hunting with dogs? Many people suffering through terminal illness (eg Mother Teresa’s victims). So many cases of (legal) worse.
        
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        July 3, 2017 5:18pm
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  so how many atrocities have you committed against helpless little creatures?
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:46am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Against possums ? Plenty, shot hundreds of the damn things.
    
    An absolute pest, destroys trees (especially Pohutukawa and Rata), kills native birds, eats fruit off trees (usually before it’s ripe), spreads Tb.
    
    Didn’t have any friends from our area, and despite the odd child wanting to bring up an orphaned joey, none did.
    
    I don’t consider it cruelty to rapidly kill a pest animal, whether that be by drowning, blunt force trauma, shooting, poison, whatever. Cruelty would be to prioritize the suffering over the killing.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:44am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      fair enough as long as you are comfortable in yourself about your crimes. Shooting could be defended as it is impersonal, dunno about the other methods, there are some people who might get off on the closeup suffering of a defenseless animal.
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:04am
      - Flash
        
        Shooting is impersonal? Where do you get that from? I’d say picking up a gun, loading it, aiming and pulling the trigger are all pretty personal decisions to act in a way to terminate life.
        
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        July 3, 2017 11:18am
    - KevOB
      
      Drowning should all be over in 30 secs. The fluid once ingested will fill the lungs and prevent oxygen reaching the brain. That causes lack of consciousness very rapidly. Death occurs later while out of it.
      Humane? Even the bolt gun used on cattle only causes brain shock; death follows at the hands of the slaughterman.
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:28am
      - srylands
        
        FFS. Drowning animals is not a humane way to kill them.
        
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        July 3, 2017 11:41am
    - RF
      
      I used to own a .410 pistol.. aka a Kea gun.
      
      Quite legal in those days and good for close kill shots. I even had a holster for it.
      
      Unfortunately someone in authority woke up that in the wrong hands these were bloody dangerous and they had to be handed in.
      
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      July 3, 2017 1:13pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Yes. I had one of them – great little weapon. Coming back from a hunt, and not getting a deer, if I saw a bunny reasonably close – say 20 meters – it was ideal for putting something in the pot. Wouldn’t waste a .303 round on it – would blow it to pieces.
        But this was back in the 60’s – 70’s. When I went to Australia in 1978, the bloody Aussies confiscated it because it was a pistol.
        It was great, because I could break it, and it would fit in my pocket – very easy to draw it, put a .410 shot up the spout, close it and shoot – all within a couple of seconds. A great little weapon.
        
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        July 3, 2017 5:32pm
  - VicParking
    
    As your comments testify.
    
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    July 3, 2017 4:22pm
- srylands
  
  IIRC the complaint was the kids were drowning young possums. If that were my kids I’d be upset too. Young and old possums should be killed with two sharp blows to the head with a hammer. And that is something for adults to do, not kids.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:40am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Raising snowflakes? Get all your meat from the meat tree?
    
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    July 3, 2017 5:20pm
Chuck Bird

Winston will be at the Hamilton Celebrating Age Centre, 30 Victoria Street at 11 this morning. He will also be at Te Kuiti at 1:30 this afternoon. I sure he could answer any questions and certainly handle any hecklers. I will be interested to see if any show up at the Hamilton meeting. I think there are some anti Winston types on this blog who live here in the Waikato.
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July 3, 2017 8:17am
- nasska
  
  ….”Winston will be at the Hamilton Celebrating Age Centre, 30 Victoria Street at 11 this morning”…..
  
  Zimmer frame parking only.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:22am
  - G152
    
    I want to see a comedian I’ll look for one who has a sense of humour and not a sad sack repeating something heard in the 30s.
    Or is the Green Parrot in the 20’s on Taranaki ?
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Where in Te Kuiti?
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:31am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    15 minutes south of Otorohanga.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:34am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      lol I know where Te Kuiti is, I wondered where the venue was.
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:39am
- Chuck Bird
  
  nasska, How about parking for mountain bikes? There are plenty over 65 who are fit physically and mentally. Of course many here believe those who think differently than them are stupid.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:35am
  - cmm
    
    I would expect your 65 year old mountain biker is still living independently and not in an old age home.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:48am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      cmm The same applied to most who attended the meeting it appeared.
      
      Some Nat keep interjecting. He was on his own and I admired him for that. I am sure it was not a keyboard anonymous blogger.
      
      Winston had an answer for him and thanked him for coming along as it made the meeting more interesting for him.
      
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      July 3, 2017 3:31pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Been to Te Kuiti a number of times, bugger all MTB’s around and none of those I saw were ridden by “oldies”. The only oldies I know who support Winnie are brain damaged anyway and couldn’t get on a stationary bike
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:09am
- thedavincimode
  
  Thanks for the invite chuck. I expect most people who can be bothered to waste time listening to some lying conman would find it more convenient to visit their local District Court.
  
  Will he be driving? Or is lunch after the 1:30 pm in Te Kuiti?
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:37am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Actually, having only anecdotally heard tell of Winston, if I was available, I would go judge for myself. Even if just for the showmanship.
    Unfortunately my window of opportunity has now closed.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder how he would react to questions about a certain $158,000….
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:45am
- Happychappy
  
  You would have thought he would have arranged a meeting at the Delta to keep one who worships the messiah happy. Winston obviously does not know how much those from the Delta worship on a Friday evening.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:56am
Happychappy

Well for those that didn’t know that Barry Soper believes in Unions you only have to read his Column in the Herald this morning. He agreed with most of Little work place Policy but does not like the way they installed Little into the Leaders job to get their policy of Union control to NZ back.
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July 3, 2017 8:22am
Tarquin North

I was watching Sunday on T.V 1 last night. What I thought was a current affairs program some how morphed into an ad for Hayley Holt and the Green Party. It was about young women binge drinking, and as luck would have it poor Hayley used to do that sort of thing. Fortunately she found redemption and is now campaigning actively and standing for the Greens. Why couldn’t they have used virtually anyone else in the country? I would have hoped for better from TVNZ, They’ve nailed their colours to their mast well and truly. Believe nothing they say.
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July 3, 2017 8:22am
- Happychappy
  
  Is it any Different to what TV Three News did with the Peter Blake boat story and how he wanted NZ’s to see all the bad things happening to our environment Ten years ago when he was murdered.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:33am
- VicParking
  
  TV1 and TV3 should declare all their news spending as election expenses for SlaveDriver and the unripe advocado.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:50am
- 4077th
  
  Was and still is an airhead. The Greens trying to wash away years of unkempt hair, women with moustache’s and monobrows in the hope Holt is the pretty face to counterbalance the rope-headed hippies look they just can’t seem to shake. Perhaps they should have found someone with a pretty face and some principals.
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:56am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    School principals?
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:44am
    - 4077th
      
      Oooops…Freudian slip.. 🙂
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  Ali Mau also .
  
  What is it with these ‘liberated” wimmin and the anti drink thing.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:04am
  - dime
    
    mau has children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shes just so scared for her children!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    having a few vodkas is much more harmful than having your mumbreak up your family and move you in with some gross lesbian.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:37am
    - GoVege
      
      And straight after your post they mention Mike Hoskings !
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:47am
    - Longknives
      
      What Dime said…
      
      *I also wonder if Ali Mau had witnessed a drunken fight as that cesspit the ‘Family Bar’ on Karangahape Rd would she have written an article about it?
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:05am
      - sam green
        
        Are you a regular Longknives?
        
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        July 3, 2017 11:14am
- MCos
  
  Every week day night Mike Hoskings is on prime time TV1.
  While he may not be running for parliament he certainly pushes a point of view that favours National.
  Whether or not they benefit from his patronizing lecturing is another matter
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:32am
  - 4077th
    
    As opposed to EVERY other current affairs program that does not. It’s clear Labour are benefiting from the MSM deliberately ignoring the the interns clusterfuck!!
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:53am
    - ztev
      
      Old news, just like you.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:57am
      - 4077th
        
        The party line eh?…Keep walking, nothing to see here?
        How about some answers?
        
        Answer the following.
        Who was the donor?
        Was it taxpayer money channeled through some social service provider?
        At the time this was set up, was Matt McCarten working for labour on the taxpayers dime?
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:46am
    - MCos
      
      What other current affairs programme does TV1 run in prime time?
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        Certainly not the news! Click bait and shite is all.
        
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        July 3, 2017 12:19pm
    - Gabby
      
      They just can’t push nutty’s line without looking like a pack of privileged snoflake racists with entitlitis up the wazoo.
      
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      July 3, 2017 11:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I know of a bloke called Mike Hosking, but who is Mike Hoskings?
    Is he related to John Keys?
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:29am
  - gravedodger
    
    Mike Hosking is only one person it just seems there are more.
    
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    July 3, 2017 12:12pm
- Surely Knott
  
  NZ Herald has it as their top article on facebook now. Hayley Holt. Headline. “I used to Kick people when I was drinking and think it was really funny.”
  
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  July 3, 2017 1:05pm
holysheet

Question for ztev he/she failed to answer yesterday
Still awaiting your answer

Well here’s your chance to get the facts out on the table ztev. You seem to know all about this.
Answer the following.
Who was the donor?
Was it taxpayer money channeled through some social service provider?
At the time this was set up, was Matt McCarten working for labour on the taxpayers dime?
Your answers please.
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July 3, 2017 8:29am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  There is nothing more to say on the matter- ~~Bill English~~
  
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  July 3, 2017 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    I think Pete George was right on the money!
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:51am
  - 4077th
    
    Are those your orders from Fraser House Trev?
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:57am
    - 4077th
      
      I’ll consider your downtick a yes.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:54am
      - BassilFawlty
        
        I see you have got to a cleveland (351) of comments, smidge more than me bro.
        
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        July 3, 2017 4:37pm
    - ztev
      
      Fraser House ? Is that a type of tyre ?
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:58am
      - SteveRemmington
        
        Retreads just going around in circles?
        
        You could be right Ztev.
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:07am
      - 4077th
        
        @SteveRemmington
        
        You spelt Retards wrong!
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:49am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        The same brand on the bus that went over Matt of the Independent Labour Party Auckland
        
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        July 3, 2017 12:46pm
  - holysheet
    
    Squirrel, Is that the best you can come up with?
    Why can’t/won’t you give answers to very basic questions?
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:00am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Are you allowed to refer to someone as a he/she now? halo 😉
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Scandis have hen
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_(pronoun)
    
    But I can see that some old roosters and young chicks might object to its use in English.
    
    How about ‘e if we don’t know whether it’s Arfa or Marfa?
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:51am
Monique Watson

What’s wrong with being permanently drunk? It’s Tapering off Day when you have to check in your emotions and behave yourself.
Not talking from experience here of course.
Clinton was the rabid Drunk. Trump is just reactive.
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July 3, 2017 8:30am
Rich Prick

I knew there was a reason to avoid the Herald. Puff pieces. Socialist Cindy has taken a lovely break. Altogether now … awwwwww.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11885146
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July 3, 2017 8:55am
- niggly
  
  Admittedly I must say that was a nice sisterly thing of Cindy to do …. but what struck me more was the absolute affluence on display and to think that Cindy (and Labour in general) can honesty represent the “workers” and their aspirations???
  
  These privileged “rich prick 1%-er socialists” need to stop misusing the “Labour” brand, it’s false advertising! (Hmm come to think about it the Greens are mostly no better either)!
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s what is so obviously wrong with their “volunteer intern scheme”.
    
    What working-class uni students could afford to pay their own airfares across the world and then work 2-3 months without a salary?
    
    NZ Labour is the party for privileged posers.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:49am
    - Gabby
      
      I thought they were slaves. Privileged poser slaves? Not so slavey after all?
      
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      July 3, 2017 11:14am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The o/s interns are exploited labour…. slaves, if you like.
        
        The members of the NZ Labour Party who promoted this scheme have about as much knowledge of working-class folk as I have of yachting. It is they who are privileged posers… pretending to represent down-trodden, poorly paid workers, but always feathering their own nests..
        
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        July 3, 2017 1:49pm
    - KevOB
      
      One of them, a videographer , was crowd funding for both camera ($500) and fares ($1500).
      
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      July 3, 2017 5:15pm
      - KevOB
        
        HINTS OF CONTRACT
        29 April 2017
        My name is Luis Rivera. I am a rising Senior at The Catholic University of America’s (CUA) Honor’s Program. I am a Double Major studying both Media Studies, and History. I am also in the process of completing a certificate in Video and Digital Story Telling.
        
        Just recently I have been offered a great opportunity in a fellowship with the Labour Party over in Auckland, New Zealand. Below is an excerpt of the offer:
        
        “Dear Luis,
        
        Thank you for sharing two excellent examples of your work with me. This is what we propose:
        
        We would like you to come over here and spend approx. 50% of your time making films – such as films for politicians, films about the fellowship, films about the ground campaign here.
        
        You would spend the other 50% of your time participating in the fellowship in a more conventional sense – ie doing the same kind of thing as the other fellows.
        
        As stated, we would provide accommodation, basic groceries and fellowship-related travel. I don’t know if we could provide any filming equipment though.”
        
        I will be the first person within the program who has been offered a position to film short videos and documentaries of the ground campaign that the Labour Party (a sister party of the Democratic Party here in America) does to get people to go out and vote. As mentioned in the earlier email I will be able to meet with politicians both from New Zealand and from around the world. The opportunity that has been offered to me is something that I cannot turn down.
        
        However, the only obstacle standing in the way to fulfilling this fantastic opportunity is getting there. The fellowship only covers travel within Auckland, not to Auckland. Flights to Auckland can run nearly $1900 round-trip.
        
        That is why I have set up this campaign. Any donation, no matter how small, will go directly towards paying for my flight to get over to New Zealand so that I can spend six weeks working with the New Zealand Labour Party and its many leaders. I will also use part of the money to purchase some modest camera equipment to bring with me over to New Zealand to film and edit the documentaries. The breakdown of the spending of the funds would be $1500 for the flight and $500 for camera equipment.
        
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        July 3, 2017 5:56pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How selfish of her sister to have her wedding three months out from the election.
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:56am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      If she hadn’t ‘shared’ the info with us would we have noticed? I wouldn’t have, Jacinda must have spontaneously just had the right dress also.
      It would have been a bugger to mess up the photos!!!
      
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      July 3, 2017 10:08am
  - Gabby
    
    Shocking that an MP can afford air travel. That sort of luxury is the preserve of 7 finger pricky.
    
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    July 3, 2017 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    I bet she went Business Class on taxpayers money – Leaders Funds.
    A research trip for Labour.
    
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    July 3, 2017 2:08pm
- cmm
  
  There goes breakfast…
  
  Anyone else feel their wallet get a bit lighter?
  
  “P.S Thanks to my colleagues for covering for me, thought the least I could do is share the surprise.”
  
  PS Thanks to the NZ taxpayer for funding the trip!
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:35am
- Longknives
  
  Did Adern give a speech at the Wedding?
  
  “Comrades, Comrades, Comrades..”
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:07am
holysheet

More like baaaaaaaarfing, yuk.
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July 3, 2017 9:02am
- Tarquin North
  
  Handy person to have around if the toilet blows up.
  
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  July 3, 2017 12:47pm
MCos

I listened to part of the interview of the American Ambassador on Morning Report this morning.
Near the end Guyon Espiner brought up the recent Trump tweets regarding a reporter bleeding from a face lift & wrestling CNN. Scott Brown was clearly put on the spot. He’s a self confessed Trump die hard, but there was no way he was going to play along with that garbage.
He collapsed the scrum a couple of times and finally kicked the ball for touch after the final hooter.
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July 3, 2017 9:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  But but but, a ‘Chin’ lift is NOT a facelift…
  Shit?
  Check out the meltdown ❄️
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/02/media-horrified-after-trump-tweets-video-body-slamming-cnn/
  
  Also; “This is the part of the 1953 sci-fi movie where the scientists realize the high voltage lines & atom bombs only make the monster bigger”
  @iowahawkblog
  Heh
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:23am
  - Ross12
    
    So the President has sense of humour , great.
    Where was the outrage over the Griffin stunt or the play in New York depicting the President being murdered?
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:34am
    - MCos
      
      His ambassador ain’t laughing, mate.
      
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      July 3, 2017 9:51am
      - Ross12
        
        Over the weekend ztec make a very good observation about Scarborough and Brezinski saying they and others like them are the TV equivalent of radio shock jocks.
        The problem is they expect to be taken as serious journalists or commentators, which aren’t. Also when the President responds in kind ( ie. like a shock jock, some times) they all go into hysterics.
        
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        July 3, 2017 11:57am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Seems to like him a lot.
        Just because the msm is used to toady’s, unless they are their anointed ones, I think that it is hilarious and bloody good entertainment.
        He is doing a good job of ‘schooling’ them.
        
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        July 3, 2017 3:52pm
    - cha
      
      depicting the President being murdered?
      
      Somewhere alongside the outrage when funding was pulled from an Obama themed production of Julius Caesar performed a few years back…..oh wait…..unlike the faux outrage of wittering, thin skinned Trumpettes like yourself, the Obama themed production went ahead unremarked, with funding intact.
      
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      July 3, 2017 4:15pm
- Gabby
  
  He sounded just a wee bit cross that rejecting the shitty TPP might not look too free trade to some people.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:16am
- VicParking
  
  He ate Guyon up and spat him out his arse.
  A Boy interviewing a man
  
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  July 3, 2017 4:30pm
dime

Dimes thought of the morning:

If Richie was captain saturday night, we win that test.
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July 3, 2017 9:31am
- MCos
  
  If there had been an earthquake which brought a premature end to the game before the Lions comeback . . . . . . . .
  The ABs lost some games when Richie was captain, you know.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:38am
- RF
  
  I will say it again… and again. The current AB captain has not got the X faxtor.
  
  As an aside… what’s wrong with his face as he always has this wide eyed look on his dial. Reminds me of some who has been given the Xmas tree hold…
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:54am
  - dime
    
    read is a great player. no mana though. weak captain.
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:23am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin nostalgic.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:07am
Manolo

The hacks feel aggrieved:
http://rcfp.org/reporters-committee-condemns-president-trumps-statement-violence-against-press
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July 3, 2017 9:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Good for him, ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ comes to mind.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:58am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94302753/jetpack-changes-rules-to-allow-overseas-control

After having a good go at the taxpayer to fund this expensive hobby with no practical use, they’re now opening up to offshore investing.

Fine. Sucker some other people. Just stay away from my wallet.
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July 3, 2017 9:39am
Manolo

A full declaration of war:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/carl-bernstein-calls-for-different-kind-of-reporting-to-take-on-malignant-presidency/article/2627631

Carl Bernstein is calling on journalists to commit to a “different kind of reporting” in response to a “malignant presidency” unlike any the country has seen before.
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July 3, 2017 9:40am
- G152
  
  Well, they (the media) could try reporting the actual news. I know that after this long such a move might be to much for the diehards but if they start off reporting one truth today and two truths tomorrow and cut back on the keyboard interviews you never know just how quickly we could get to trust the media again
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:54am
- Rich Prick
  
  Freaking out at every little thing is a “different kind of reporting”, I’ll grant them that.
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:55am
  - itstricky
    
    Like when you loose your rag because someone criticises you on a morning show? Or when you start posting edited videos on Twitter instead of just, err, doing your job? That sort of ‘freak out’?
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:12am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Fuck Jeff Zucker.
  
  SCUM
  
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/29/cnns_jeff_zucker_runs_away_from_project_veritas_james_okeefe.html
  
  “CNN President Jeff Zucker quickly dashed out of his East Side pad after a stake out by James O’Keefe whose group Project Veritas released several videos this week exposing the motives behind the network’s narrative. O’Keefe was seeking comment on his ‘American Pravda’ series. The embattled media chief is also facing an uncertain future if Time Warner, CNN’s parent company, merges with AT&T.”
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:17am
  - Gabby
    
    But lamp Keefee first.
    
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    July 3, 2017 11:20am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    http://progressive.network/2016/05/jeff-zucker-man-turned-cnn-clinton-news-network/
    
    “CNN is owned by Time Warner Cable. Of course, Time Warner is one of Hillary Clinton’s top ten donors, having contributed over one million dollars to make sure she is the democratic nominee through direct donations to the campaign and donations to her Super PACs. As the first two primary results showed, Time Warner could not buy the election with donations alone. Instead, they used Zucker as a puppet to make sure Hillary stayed in the spotlight and Bernie was kept out. Well, Zucker, the ruse is up. We know what you are up to. You have made a mockery of the news, turning what was once the gold standard of news coverage into little more than a farce that any educated viewer can clearly see through. Zucker, you have allowed the powerhouse of cable television news to turn into the Clinton News Network, nothing more than a puppet for the elite.”
    
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    July 3, 2017 11:22am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
… Current Important Housing Issues Information …

… There are massive demographic shifts and changes currently underway …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1962033

Sorry GJ Gardner … the days of high multiple lending for artificially inflated land / property are over … read more via hyperlink above …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1962036

… http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_2_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1961935

G J GARDNER AND THE MASTER BUILDERS FEDERATION NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT WAS HIGH MULTIPLE LENDING THAT DID IN THE IRISH BANKS … read more via hyperlink above

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_1_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1961287

NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED

The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 3, 2017 9:47am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Check our todays MacroBusiness Australia …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
  
  … Links Page …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-3-july-2017/
  
  … with Gunnamatta’ lengthy article at top of thread …
  
  It’s another Jess Irvine piece. You won’t get it because Jess didn’t get it. She writes with all the aplomb of someone who has read about what Paul Keating said to John Laws back in the winter of 1986, but has never thought about it all that much – she sure as hell doesn’t remember it the way many people will. You come away from this 1000 words of shinola with the idea that Jess has never known debt and its impact on the national economy going bad, and probably has never been in a situation where she (or her family) owes a lot of money and is concerned about whether they will have a job in six months. If this is what Fairfax is now stooping to serving up, then I hope she doesn’t have a large mortgage – for the end may come quick.
  
  A trillion dollars in debt, but no ‘banana republic’
  
  http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/a-trillion-dollars-in-debt-but-no-banana-republic-20170629-gx1pb1.html
  
  Jessica Irvine … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The failed property developer spouts off again.
    Ignore.
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:33am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Average prices on Realestate.co.nz dropped in 10 out of 19 districts in June. Auckland’s average price down by $73,639 since February | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88569/average-prices-realestateconz-dropped-10-out-19-districts-june-aucklands-average
  
  The housing market is feeling the winter blues, with average asking prices of homes newly advertised for sale on Realesate.co.nz falling in a majority of districts in June.
  
  The national average asking price dropped from $642,478 in May to $626,889 in June, with declines recorded in 10 regions (Northland, Auckland, Manawatu/Whanganui, Wellington, Nelson, Marlborough, West Coast, Canterbury, Otago and Central Otago/Lakes) and rises recorded in nine (Waikato, Coromandel, Bay of Plenty, Gisborne, Hawkes Bay, Taranaki, Central North Island, Wairarapa and Southland).
  
  In Auckland the average asking price dropped from $956,267 in May to $905,013 in June, which was the fourth straight month in which it has declined since it peaked at $978,652 in February, a drop of $73,639 in four months.
  
  In Wellington it dropped from $568,493 in May to $541,298 in June and in Canterbury it declined from $492,551 in May to $461,351 in June. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:37am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    It’s called a ‘market adjustment’. Happens all the time after the bubble pops.
    
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    July 3, 2017 1:07pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    New Zealanders’ concerns highlighted in run to election: Poverty and the gap between the rich and poor is the single biggest issue facing us and the World, according to new survey | interest.co.nz
    
    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/88590/new-zealanders%E2%80%99-concerns-highlighted-run-election-poverty-and-gap-between-rich-and-poor
    
    Content supplied by Roy Morgan Research
    
    New in-depth research exploring the concerns of New Zealanders both in New Zealand and globally found New Zealanders, like Australians, are concerned about war and terrorism on the global front.
    
    But at home in the run-up to this year’s election it’s all about the economy especially housing affordability, housing shortages, cost of living, inflation, unemployment and homelessness. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    July 3, 2017 5:00pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    The poisonous mix of rising global bond yields and falling inflation … AEP … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/02/poisonous-mix-rising-global-bond-yields-falling-inflation/
    
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
    
    Central bank officials across the world are increasingly nervous about the shock of bond issuance to hit public debt markets as they knock away the prop of quantitative easing and reverse crisis-era policies.
    
    A mere hint of monetary tightening last week sent bond yields spiraling higher in the US, Europe, and East Asia, a foretaste of how hard it may be to engineer a gentle return to normality.
    
    Rates on the 10-year German Bunds doubled to 0.47pc in four trading sessions, with parallel moves in France, Italy, the UK, and the US. This is not yet comparable to the “taper tantrum” of 2013 but it has ominous features.
    
    “In the big four countries that have been doing QE we’re going from a situation of no net bond issuance to $1 trillion of supply next year. That is going to be a big adjustment,” said a senior central banker. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:15pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Auckland’s housing shortage to become catastrophic – MacroBusines Australias
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/aucklands-housing-shortage-become-catastrophic/
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/aucklands-housing-shortage-become-catastrophic/#comment-2907733
      
      Hugh PavletichMEMBER
      July 4, 2017 at 5:08 am
      
      THERE IS HOPE …
      
      New Zealand General Election 23 September this year …
      
      Housing Policies – New Zealand Labour Party
      
      http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
      
      … extract …
      
      Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
      
      Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
      .
      .
      Following the passing of the Resource Management Amendment Act back March, Bernard Hickey of Newsroom reported …
      
      https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom
      
      7. Just in case you missed it…
      
      One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
      
      The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.
      
      The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
      
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      July 4, 2017 7:43am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hugh Pavletich
        July 4, 2017 at 5:24 am
        
        Housing affordability, supply issues dominate Kiwi concerns … NZ Adviser
        
        http://www.nzadviseronline.co.nz/news/housing-affordability-supply-issues-dominate-kiwi-concerns-238272.aspx
        
        New research shows that war and terrorism are the top global concerns of Kiwis but many domestic fears involve housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Access additional polling reporting … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        March 2017 report …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
        
        NZ Building & Construction Minister Dr Nick Smith May 2016 …
        
        beehive.govt.nz – Labour support on city limits (abolition) welcomed
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/labour-support-city-limits-welcomed
        
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        July 4, 2017 7:47am
Happychappy

I get it now Hugh your pissed off at G J Gardner for making more money and building better house’s than you ever did. It must really get up your nose when others produce what people want not what they are told to have.
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July 3, 2017 10:04am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Happychappy … Completely wrong again.
  
  I was only ever a commercial property developer. Just check out the brief bio (yawn) which is at the tail end of every Annual Demographia Housing Affordability Survey. Access to the schedule of the 13 Annual Surveys via my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:31am
Longknives

Front Page of the Herald today-
Some ‘Mummy Blogger’ is posting pictures of her Tummy and complaining she isn’t as skinny as she was before kids (shock/horror!)
That Shortland Street actress who broadcast a sextape with a League Player in a desperate bid for publicity is complaining about all the ‘negative’ publicity she gets..
Seriously- It’s like they are in a race with Stuff.co to see who can lose their entire readership first!
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July 3, 2017 10:19am
- Gruffydd
  
  There is plenty of pointless tattle in the media.
  Such mindless dribble has a
  market.
  
  I just don’t see why the Archie Bunker’s have to paste it all over KB as well.
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:38am
  - gravedodger
    
    Archie Bunker’s what? he is still dead along with Caroll O’Connor just at present.
    
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    July 3, 2017 1:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    Dingbat
    
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    July 3, 2017 2:24pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s like they are in a race with Stuff.co to see who can lose their entire readership first!
  
  I only go there to do the twice-daily quiz 🙂
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:40am
- Garbageman
  
  It was a Snapchat pic of her blowing him in the car his “good mates” took a screen shot and spread it around top blokes eh they would rapidly be distant m8s of mine after all there cant be many here that haven’t enjoyed a bit of lovin in a car but yeah she got the mileage out of the poor lil ol me bullshit, bunch of classless talentless wannabees
  
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  July 3, 2017 12:11pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s not very nice,G Man.
    Blakely is a remarkable woman.
    BUT….I didn’t like the way she tried to claim that racial abuse was half the cause of the family violence among Polynesian’s in the 80s.
    That is bull.
    Polynesian males bash their families way worse in the islands where presumably they are not subjected to any racism.
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:12pm
dime

oh we have a follow up to mau’s alcohol bad story.

now its:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11885172

Alcohol bought out the worst in you? the gweens have done much worse

wonder what day 3 in the “alcohol is bad series” will bring?

the go to – an ER doctor? or a “top cop”?
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July 3, 2017 10:38am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sounds like a good debate topic, they can each put up their most drunken mp
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:02am
Manolo

Paul has been talking to EAD:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/02/ron-paul-not-a-shock-if-stocks-fall-25-percent-and-gold-soars-50-percent-by-oct.html

“If our markets are down 25% and gold is up 50% it wouldn’t be a total shock to me,” said Paul recently on “Futures Now.”
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July 3, 2017 10:52am
LisaGinNZ

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the USA “media” has gone into meltdown mode (daily isn’t it) over Trump’s tweets. (any tweets apparently)…

That wrestling tweet? Hilarious!

We (and I mean ‘average’ Americans either living in the USA or here in NZ) pro Trump-ies think the tweets are funny. We WANT President Trump to FIGHT back.

GWB never fought back – and did the Lefty media ever let down their attacks on him? Nope…

Trump masterfully plays the media … every time…

If you think President Trump is being a big, bad meanie, I leave you with text from an actual President Truman letter from 1950. Enjoy:

“THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
Dec. 6, 1950
Mr. Hume:
I’ve just read your lousy review of Margaret’s concert. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are an “eight ulcer man on four ulcer pay.”
It seems to me that you are a frustrated old man who wishes he could have been successful. When you write such poppy-cock as was in the back section of the paper you work for it shows conclusively that you’re off the beam and at least four of your ulcers are at work.
Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you’ll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!
Pegler, a gutter snipe, is a gentleman alongside you. I hope you’ll accept that statement as a worse insult than a reflection on your ancestry.
H.S.T. ”

(from http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/07/if_you_think_trumps_tweets_are_unprecedented_you_dont_know_about_harry_truman_.html )

LOL! Betcha President Truman would have been an AWESOME TWEETER!!!
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July 3, 2017 11:14am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Yep, today’s sheeple forget just how violent politics use to be in the West.
  
  It took many centuries for Western Civilisation to get to the point where nearly everyone signed on to a social contract of non violent competitive politics.
  
  Ironically this has resulted in an increasingly sickly, dysgenic and degenerate elite and normie population where even druggie homosexual “Just Your Standard Fuck Party” culture is celebrated as Diversity and Inclusiveness.
  
  Well that norm is fast coming to an end, ergo The Trumpenreich, as more of the population has woken up to the betrayal and defilement of Western Civilisation by its own Globohomo elite.
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:40am
  - GoVege
    
    Be grateful for openly gay gays, Jazz.
    Without them, world over-population would be even worse.
    
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    July 3, 2017 10:54pm
- Fletch
  
  Well, more recently, what about Obama saying “we have to punch back twice as hard” and “when they bring a knife, we bring a gun”. Nobody in the media made too big a fuss about that if I remember.
  
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  July 3, 2017 12:53pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , listening to TV1’s ‘news’ at mid day they had a piece from ‘Merica where the propagandist , sorry , “reporter” was talking of “Trumps’ war on the media”
    
    Sorry , but it was the media that waged war on Trump and his voter base first.
    
    The irony is the Presidency is held in higher trust by the public than the media are in the US and here our media are also held in similar disregard.
    
    They just don’t get it.
    
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    July 3, 2017 2:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another big fire in block of flats in London…
still under development, so no-one in them.
Fire seems to have started at Roof solar panels,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bethnal-green-fire-blaze-block-of-flats-east-london-a7819081.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/fire-sweeps-new-block-london-flats-witness-claims-started-solar/
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July 3, 2017 11:20am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Only a matter of time before an Auckland apartment block goes up like a torch.
  
  The central city slum towers are stuffed full of Stir Frys, thanks to Inclusiveness Diversity efforts, cooking with their smoky woks and covering the smoke alarms to avoid getting pinged with a fire fighter call out bill.
  
  Any time now…
  
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  July 3, 2017 11:45am
- waikatogirl
  
  Those illegally sub-letting flats in the recent devastating London fire have been told they will not be prosecuted if they give up the names of those they were sub-letting to.
  
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  July 3, 2017 1:58pm
  - Paulus
    
    Of the perceived number of people, believed 600, living in the fire destroyed flats many have disappeared as they do want to be identified by any authority.
    They will be some other local authority’s problem wanting accommodation.
    
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    July 3, 2017 2:15pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

“According to a new study from Pew Research which polled 40,000 people in 37 nations, Donald Trump’s presidency has had a “major impact on how the world sees the United States”.”

Yes, the USA is no longer seen as an easy touch to dump Third World muck into.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-02/world-questioning-trumps-leadership
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July 3, 2017 11:52am
DifferentPerspective

It was deliberate, SBW said so

All the silly billies arguing that SBW’s deliberate shoulder charge wasn’t deliberate (and that black is white and up is down) can climb down off their high horses now that SBW himself said it was intentional.

After all, that’s what he said to the judiciary panel and if the man said it was intentional, it really couldn’t have been anything other than deliberate. You don’t intentionally do something accidentally!
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July 3, 2017 12:10pm
- RF
  
  SBW has form for shoulder charges. He was yellowed carded in France a few years ago.. ? 2008. Soon after he changed codes… again.
  
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  July 3, 2017 1:28pm
Fletch

Gunmen open fire outside a mosque in France.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11885252
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July 3, 2017 12:51pm
Peter

Sub standard housing. That isn’t affordable for poorer people.

Why is this problem so hard to fix?

Why not use container housing:

http://inhabitat.com/shigeru-bans-temporary-onagawa-housing-is-made-from-paper-tubes-and-shipping-containers/shigeru-ban-4/

Not flash, but functional. Easy to scale. Make them affordable on a benefit. Once someones circumstances improve, they can enter the private housing market.

What do we need to do it? What are the reasons we wouldn’t do this?
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July 3, 2017 12:52pm
Ross12

Interesting video on how the media works today. Yes, Attkisson is promoting her book but she makes some revealing points and I’m sure it applies to both sides of the political aisle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHn82hCfz8U
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July 3, 2017 1:16pm
Jack5

Britain’s legal vultures are now pursuing the British SAS for alleged atrocities in Afghanistan.

The Telegraph reports:

Leigh Day, which worked alongside disgraced solicitor Phil Shiner in the now infamous Al-Sweady Inquiry, is now involved in claims alleging members of the elite regiment executed unarmed civilians in Helmand Province during a hunt for Taliban leaders.

Sources told the Sunday Times the Royal Military Police (RMP) is investigating an incident in 2011 where a family of four were allegedly handcuffed, hooded and then shot by SAS soldiers.

Phil Shiner, a law professor, was struck off as a solicitor, and his firm went bankrupt, after the collapse of his campaign on behalf of Iraqis against British soldiers who had been in Iraq. He put forward more than 2,000 allegations of the total 3,400 but no single soldier was convicted of abuse.

Of course, such allegations need to be investigated, but surely by a Government and not by law firms following a money trail.

Leigh Day describes itself as “personal injury and medical negligence lawyers”. A few weeks ago it and three of its solicitors were cleared of allegations of professional misconduct over Iraq war murder compensation claims. Leigh Day worked with Shiner to represent Iraqi clients in parallel legal actions.
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July 3, 2017 1:57pm
Jack5

Foreign investors are busy buying NZ land – perhaps they sense there may be a change in policy after the election.

Foreigners have bought a 326 ha. dairy farm at Oxford from a local family for $18.2 million, reports the Southland Times.

They are also nibbling at the 40,000 ha. Mount White station, one of the largest pastoral leases in the country.
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July 3, 2017 2:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Foreign ownership is not a safe long term investment, for at any time a government can take it back. Land is fixed.
  
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  July 3, 2017 3:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Try confiscating the dairy farms Chinese interests have bought in NZ, Inandout ….
    
    Little countries like NZ – and the Central American republics – don’t have any muscle when it comes to nationalising assets, and most people wouldn’t want to sequestrate legally sold property. The time to restrict foreign ownership is when land is being bought.
    
    The lesson is to be careful about initial sales of your land. The Chinese have been buying up land in Africa, Australia, South America, as well as NZ. Brazil and Argentina, but foreigners can’t buy land in China.
    
    In recent months, Brazil has eased up rules on foreigners buying land, but is keeping restriction on farms with soy, corn and other crops which are harvested the same year as they are planted.
    
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    July 3, 2017 5:01pm
    - Jack5
      
      Inandout notes: ” … at any time a government can take it back.”
      
      A Government or Maori, Inandout.
      
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      July 3, 2017 5:07pm
      - Inandout
        
        I think sometimes the special people are the government. They are above the law and their spirits rule.
        
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        July 3, 2017 6:22pm
Tom Barker

How’s that climate change denial working out for you guys?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/334334/westport-may-not-be-there-in-100-years
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July 3, 2017 3:31pm
- Peter
  
  Who denies climate?
  
  Just another warm-worrier strawman.
  
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  July 3, 2017 3:51pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nearly all these “climate change” scare stories are actually about the envirnment and not climate change per se.
    They cite the harbour entrance blocked , but that’s due , not to climate change, but to a lack of dredging.
    
    And irony of ironies while they fear sea level rise the sea level isn’t high enough to gt boats in and out !
    
    Bwa hahahaa.
    
    So more fake news ,and they wonder why no one trusts them.
    
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    July 3, 2017 4:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Deniers?
  
  Are you looking for the theology thread, Tom?
  
  It’s a chilly winter in Christchurch, though. I don’t deny that I hope the average temperature lifts over the next year or two.
  
  I also sincerely hope that Griff succeeds with his pineapple and banana plantation plans for Southland.
  
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  July 3, 2017 5:05pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Do you jack?
    What happens to the billions who formally grew those crops?
    Here is a hint
    The number of refugees and forced immigration is only starting
    The distribution of extreme hot events is shifting and will continue to do so if we do not curtail green house gas emissions.
    https://www.climatecommunication.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Fig61.jpg
    At some point it becomes impossible to survive sitting in the shade .
    Humans being human they will just migrate.
    
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    July 3, 2017 6:07pm
    - Harriet
      
      “…..The distribution of extreme hot events is shifting and will continue to do so if we do not curtail green house gas emissions……Humans being human they will just migrate….”
      
      LOL!!!
      
      NZ should take in EVERYONE from the Maldives for example, and then those kiwis who are willing to shift to the Maldives then also get to form their own government there.
      
      But that is not what YOU or the NZ govt want – is it? —- You both simply want to IMPOSE your utopian vision upon others —- a fucken power trip under the guise of ‘environmentalism’. 😎
      
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      July 3, 2017 6:41pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Lol – you lost the argument at “radionz” they rival CNN for the fakeness and one-sidedness of their reporting. Sane people these days start off with a default position of believing the exact opposite of RNZ as it’s a far safer bet than believing their red-washing of every single issue.
  
  There’s a thousand and one expert opinions saying “XYZ won’t be there in 1/5/10/20 years” and so far all of them have been wrong – the fact that some 10th rate ‘funded to prove Climate Change is real’ egghead says something doesn’t prove anything other than your gullibility.
  
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  July 3, 2017 5:07pm
- Manolo
  
  Another alarmist tells us the sky is falling.
  
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  July 3, 2017 5:17pm
- Fletch
  
  Just fine, thanks. I don’t deny that it’s going to get dark tonight either, just that I’m the cause of it.
  
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  July 3, 2017 6:44pm
rightoverlabour

Time to boycott Sanitarium products. They have this dodgy as fuck Tax status https://www.sanitarium.co.nz/about/sanitarium-story/profits-for-charitable-purposes

But some body wants to import something that vaguely has the same name and they get all uppity about it. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/94242031/weetbix-trademark-stoush-christchurch-minimart-owner-rejects-sanitariums-offer-to-sell-blanked-out-weetabix

Fuck them.
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July 3, 2017 6:22pm
- dad4justice
  
  But dumbo corrupt kiwi politicians have given more than $70 billion to the greedy magpie maoris who are just a charity. Why do I pay tax? What a rort eh bro!!
  
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  July 3, 2017 6:52pm
  - GoVege
    
    Well…some of it was for land that was pinched, D4J.
    But then some of that land was pinched off other Maori not long before (often with much loss of life.)
    But I doubt if much of that dosh will get to the Maori who actually need it.
    It’ll just go to further enrich those elitist Maori making a fortune out of treaty settlements.
    I’ll never forget seeing a Maori woman lawyer being interviewed on TV.
    When the interviewer asked her about the palace behind them that she owned (while most Maori live in poverty) she answered something like ….she refused to engage in “the politics of envy”.
    A true advocate for her people.
    
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    July 3, 2017 7:38pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      GoVege:
      
      I’ll never forget seeing a Maori woman lawyer being interviewed on TV. When the interviewer asked her about the palace behind them that she owned (while most Maori live in poverty) she answered something like ….she refused to engage in “the politics of envy”.
      
      Let me guess – Donna Hall?
      
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      July 3, 2017 7:45pm
      - GoVege
        
        How did you guess, Nostradamus?
        And she was not popular with the ordinary Maori women teacher aides at my son’s school.
        (And not due to “politics of envy” either!)
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:17pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Go to any race meeting in Canterbury during the week and watch the tribal Nga Take All elders unloading plenty on the horses. What a disgusting rort! As a taxpayer I am beyond fucking livid!
      
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      July 3, 2017 7:50pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        D4J:
        
        Can you recall (I can’t) who said something like this about the Sealord deal: “The average Maori never saw a single snapper”?
        
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        July 3, 2017 7:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        According to David Garrett… it was Richard Prebble.
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/south_island_settlements_now_complete.html#comment-1129359
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thank you Maggy.
        
        You’ve helped me to track down the Hansard record:
        
        Let me make it clear what I think should happen. I believe that this House has to take responsibility, because the proposal comes from a Government bill. Yes, the ACT party is prepared to recognise property rights, and we say it is possible to have property rights in fishing. Of course, the property right that Māori had in 1840 was the right to fish. That is how they put it. We can identify, even now, without much difficulty the fishing areas that particular Māori tribes and iwi had. That is what we should have done, and we should have done that in a proper legal fashion. But instead, we have a squalid, political deal with some Māori groups that are now powerful and rich, and they have actually drawn up the maps themselves. We all know that the maps are unjust; we all know they are unfair. And we also know something else. We know that on this particular matter the Rt Hon Winston Peters is right. The average Māori in New Zealand has not seen a snapper, and what is more, we know that under this bill Māori never will see one. This bill is actually an injustice.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:09pm
      - dad4justice
        
        “We know that on this particular matter the Rt Hon Winston Peters is right.”
        
        Indeed Winston time we stopped giving $billions$ to the maori elite! Enough is enough. What an injustice. Donna Hall should be put in prison.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:17pm
      - GoVege
        
        Not only did the average Maori never see a single snapper, but weren’t the boats manned with virtual slave labour?
        When the idea was “supposed” to be to provide employment and training for young Maori fellas?
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:36pm
- Fletch
  
  I had a look on Wiki (as you do) and found that ultimately both Weet-Bix and Weetabix were created by the same Australian guy.
  
  Both Weet-Bix and Weetabix were invented by Bennison Osborne, an Australian. Weet-Bix was introduced in Australia through the company “Grain Products Limited” in the mid-1920s, with funding from businessman Arthur Shannon and marketing assistance from Osborne’s New Zealand friend Malcolm Macfarlane.
  
  To both Osborne’s and Macfarlane’s disappointment, Grain Products sold both its Australian company (in 1928) and then its New Zealand company (in 1930), to the Sanitarium Health Foods Company. Osborne and Macfarlane then went to South Africa where Arthur Shannon, the owner of Grain Products, funded another Weet-Bix factory.
  
  While in South Africa, Osborne modified his Weet-Bix recipe and with Macfarlane, obtained private funding and began the development of a new company, The British and African Cereal Company Limited, naming the new company’s product, Weetabix. The company commenced business in England in 1932 in an unused gristmill at Burton Latimer, near Kettering.[5] In 1936, the name of the company was changed to Weetabix Limited.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weetabix
  
  I think it’s a bit pointless fighting over the name. Weetabix is only for sale in that one little shop, and not available in mainstream supermarkets. Not much chance the general public is going to get confused.
  
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  July 3, 2017 6:53pm
starboard

Brethrens own Sanatarium. More money than a bull can shit. Weirdos.
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July 3, 2017 6:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  7th-Day Adventurers…. not xclusive Breths
  
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  July 3, 2017 6:41pm
  - nasska
    
    Godnutters sounds more inclusive. 🙂
    
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    July 3, 2017 6:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      But these ones are veges, nasska.
      They must be OK.
      
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      July 3, 2017 7:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @ nasska
      I’m sure GoVege would like you to read these Truths about vegetarianism (as promulgated by the SDAs)
      
      https://nonsda.org/study11.shtml
      
      Alas, I think I am going to be denied the companionship of heavenly angels and I suspect I have become animalized.
      However, it may not be too late for you, old chap.
      
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      July 3, 2017 7:45pm
      - nasska
        
        I reckon I could be in deep shit Maggy. From your link:
        
        ….”animal appetite strengthened at the expense of the moral and intellectual faculties. These higher powers, which should control, have been growing weaker, so that eternal things have not been discerned. “……
        
        AND
        
        ….”Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven”…..
        
        It looks like I’m going to pay for those roast lamb sandwiches one way or another. 🙂
        
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        July 3, 2017 7:51pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        You missed this part old chap!
        
        A religious life can be more successfully gained and maintained if meat is discarded
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:03pm
      - nasska
        
        What have we poor but honest old cockys done to deserve the wrath & bad press of the Seventh Day lot Nostra? 🙂
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Just introduce the Seventh-day Adventists to Johnboy, and vice versa, and I’m sure they’ll leave you alone. Vegetarianism will take a distant second-place once they learn about Johnboy’s hobbies, which have become the stuff of legend on Kiwiblog!
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:31pm
      - nasska
        
        Johnboy married into a good Catholic family Nostra. Later he became infatuated with virtual sheep.
        
        It’s been all downhill since then. 🙂
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Johnboy married into a good Catholic family
        
        That explains his ongoing interest in Lucia (and her leather boots) then!
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:40pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well I had a geek Maggy, and it looks like a lot of b/s to me, like most religious blatherings.
        In akshall fact…most veges are atheists, and Christians and other twits hate our guts.
        Mostly for reminding them that we humans they like to think are made “in the image of God”, are just another animal species.
        
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        July 3, 2017 10:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    Is weetbix halal certified?
    
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    July 3, 2017 8:14pm
    - nasska
      
      Naturally Inandout. I understand that they also comply with AS/NZS 1859.1:1997 🙂
      
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      July 3, 2017 8:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Coming to a ~~Four Square~~ HalalSquare near you:
        
        Alhamdulillah, HalalSquare is proud to announce the launch of our new section Halal Square Groceries!
        
        This section will serve as a product database of known Halal certified products that are available in supermarkets around Australia, both mainstream and independent.
        
        We are currently working with supermarkets and food manufacturers to help build this database and Insyah Allah it will be of benefit to the Muslim community.
        
        Lots of breakfast cereals on the Halal list.
        
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        July 3, 2017 8:49pm
Harriet

“…..Trump said China specifically is committing “the greatest jobs theft in the history of the world.”….”

Yep, along with other countries they export their under/unemployed to Australia and NZ etc.
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July 3, 2017 7:08pm
Nostradamus

‘Human error’: McDonald’s responds to customer’s raw deal

McDonald’s has responded to a furious customer’s complaint after he was served a raw chicken burger.
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A McDonald’s spokesperson told the Herald that staff swiftly apologised and dealt with the complaint immediately. “Incidents like this are extremely rare and we treat them very seriously,” the company said. “When the customer returned the product restaurant staff apologised immediately, and followed investigation processes, including checking daily food safety reports and reviewing CCTV. “At this stage it appears the cause was human error.”

Right. So they checked daily food safety reports. Then they reviewed CCTV footage. Even then they’re only prepared to say that “it appears” the cause was human error. I guess they’re still investigating whether it was the chicken’s fault!
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July 3, 2017 9:10pm
- GoVege
  
  The chook is innocent.
  It’s the consumer’s fault for trying to eat a fellow animal, and McDonald’s for supplying the illicit substance.
  McDonald’s could solve the problem by bringing NZ the VEGEBURGER!!
  
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  July 3, 2017 10:13pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94340202/christchurch-city-council-votes-to-give-10m-to-save-christ-church-cathedral

LIANNE DALZIEL IS FUCKING MAD
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July 3, 2017 9:12pm
- sam green
  
  IYHO
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:20pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    fuck off you commie bastard
    
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    July 3, 2017 9:40pm
    - sam green
      
      Classy!
      
      You forget – I own the means of production. Whassamatta? Envious?
      
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      July 3, 2017 11:50pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Bout time we got the commissioners in to the C.C.C.
  
  This lot are stark raving mad.
  
  Unanimous vote from council.
  
  Includes Manjina.
  
  No fucking wonder the gutless wonders met in secret on Friday.
  
  They would have met stiff resistance from the gallery.
  
  Nicky Wagner instigated the secrecy. That useless hack is a goneburger
  
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  July 3, 2017 9:42pm
  - sam green
    
    Because you don’t agree with them?
    
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    July 3, 2017 11:50pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Because they are out of control with wreckless expenditure. They have neglected BASIC CORE INFRASTRUCTURE preferring to gift millions of dollars to corporate welfare.
      
      Madame Mayor jetsetting around the world like she is some shitlebrity while our core infrastructure remains munted 6 fucking years on!
      
      If I had my way I would have all of them marched out of Hereford Street in a heartbeat.
      
      They will all be voted out at the next election.
      
      Corrupt bastards the lot of them.
      
      Here’s an example: C.C.C. employ some 80 I.T. staff most pulling north of 100k. They employed a separate firm and paid them 1 million dollars to upgrade the existing website.
      
      I have hundreds of examples of this nature.
      
      If a business operated the way the C.C.C. do they would be insolvent.
      
      So take your message back to the old trot, and tell her that she and her lefttard council are an abomination.
      
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