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General Debate 29 July 2017

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Keeping Stock

Hooray! The GD appears right on cue, and I’ve even beaten Hugh to get here!
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July 29, 2017 8:02am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Keeping Stock … Indeed you have
  
  Make a point of reading this important one … posted late last night …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_28_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1977384 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/hia-sydney-drives-decline-mortgage-affordability/#comment-2925511
  
  Grenfell fire: Scotland Yard has ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect Council of corporate manslaughter … UK Telegraph
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/27/scotland-yard-says-reasonable-grounds-suspect-kensington-council/
  
  By Harry Yorke
  
  There are “reasonable grounds” to suspect that the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea and its Tenant Management Organisation committed corporate manslaughter, Scotland Yard announced yesterday.
  
  In a letter circulated to survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire, the Force confirmed that officers had notified the council that they may be charged for their role in the blaze which left at least 80 people dead.
  
  The Justice 4 Grenfell campaign group said it hoped the statement was a “precursor” to individual arrests, adding: “Any arrests made will be seen by all those affected as tangible evidence that they are valued members of society and are being listened to.” … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … How could this start influencing local government culture ? …
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:46am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hugh, you must be taking it as a bit of a victory when (at this stage) the downticks only outnumber the upticks by four to one.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:58am
    - Southern Raider
      
      I think some of those are upticks are actually mistakes due to the buttons being so close together on touch devices
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:14am
      - SGA
        
        Such confusion would work both ways, wouldn’t it? 🙂
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:16am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        … confusion ? …
        
        … because I suspect this government is in a state of confusion … and has been … well …since before it was elected in 2008.
        
        The last dose of clarity (pre-election) 2007 …
        
        John Key –Housing Reform – 2007
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        I do appreciate this clarity …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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        What progress has Nick Smith made since mid-last year I wonder ? …
        
        beehive.govt.nz – Labour support on city limits (abolition) welcomed
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/labour-support-city-limits-welcomed
        
        Back early 2013 Nick (when appointed Housing Minister) was going to ‘smash’ those urban limits.
        
        Whats the hold up ?
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:35am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Down ticking Hugh?
      
      Reflex and habit
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:47am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        What on earth is the Government doing this for with respect to Christchurch ? One could understand ‘why’ for Auckland.
        
        The supply situations of Christchurch and Auckland are completely different …
        
        … Note the May ‘residential consents per 1000 population per annum’ (Standard industry measure completely unknown to Building & Construction Minister Nick Smith) for the smaller and therefore functional local government units of Selwyn (29.05); Tauranga (15.80); Waimakariri (11.05) … and in contrast the larger and therefore bureaucratically buggered units of local government Christchurch (7.20); Auckland (astonishingly below the national figure 6.57) and ‘Woeful Wellington’ (3.86) … read further via link …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_30_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1960805
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        Government investing another $46m into Christchurch social housing
        
        More people in need will soon have a roof over their heads, with 145 social houses under construction in Greater Christchurch.
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-investing-another-46m-into-christchurch-social-housing
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        Christchurch rents continue downward slide … Liz McDonald … The Press
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/95124008/christchurch-rents-continue-downward-slide
        
        Rents are continuing to tumble in Christchurch and are now back where they were five years ago.
        
        The city’s average weekly rent for June tenancies was $360, according to government bond figures. This is down 16 per cent from the city’s high of $431 in early 2015, and at the same level as during as the second half of 2012.
        
        Rents have been dropping steadily as rebuilds, repairs and new builds have replenished the city’s housing supply after the earthquakes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        I sure would appreciate Kiwibloggers views on this.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:08am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        That’s great news Hugh. Rents and house prices naturally rose in Christchurch as a result of short supply. Now that housing supply is coming back on stream, rents and house prices have been returning to normal levels.
        
        My daughter and her fiance got onto the housing ladder in Christchurch a couple of years ago. As well as getting their mortgage down whilst interest rates are low, they are saving for the deposit on a second home that they will either move into and rent out their current property, or just rent out. They are loving Christchurch at the moment, and why wouldn’t they? Not even the dysfunctional CCC under Liane Dalziel can temper their enthusiasm for life in the Garden City 😀
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:08am
  - realityczech
    
    Keep it up Hugh. They are shitting themselves.
    
    The whole edifice is held up with smoke and mirrors. The banks poured money into housing causing inflation. This means the coming adjustment will reveal the true worth of both banks and KB readers. Not to mention politicians and their rich mates.
    
    The great news is down ticking won’t be an option for these folk when it happens 🙂
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:51pm
- pdm
  
  You will last longer too – now off to down tick Hugh!!
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Hugh you do need a new hobby. A dozen odd post yesterday and all those down ticks. Still has not taken the hint. You had better not take up masterbating because you would rub it raw.
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:29pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll | interest.co.nz
      
      http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
      
      Content sourced from Roy Morgan Research
      
      In mid-2017, and only a few months before the upcoming New Zealand Election which according to Roy Morgan is too close to call*, the key Issues for the New Zealand Election are the inter-related issues of Poverty and the gap between rich & poor, House prices & Housing affordability and Housing shortages & Homelessness.
      
      The overall picture across all issues was covered extensively in our release on broader New Zealand Concerns released a fortnight ago and available to view here. We look in this release at Economic & Housing-related concerns in greater detail.
      
      A significant 50% of New Zealanders believe Economic issues (27%) or Housing-related issues (23%) are the most important problems facing New Zealand. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
      
      http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
      
      DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET
      
      For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
      
      The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
      
      Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
      
      Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes
      
      https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
      
      … No wonder Prime Minister English is in despair …
      
      VIDEO: Bill English on affordable housing in Auckland | Radio New Zealand News
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/334786/video-bill-english-on-affordable-housing-in-auckland
      
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      July 29, 2017 5:00pm
virtualmark

This is a brutal takedown of a President … https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-woody-allen-without-the-humor-1501193193

Note that Peggy Noonan is a Republican, was Reagan’s speechwriter.
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July 29, 2017 8:03am
- Gruffydd
  
  You don’t need a third person .
  Reading his twitships twitter feed is enough.
  Just today he has backtracked ….
  
  Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 14h14 hours ago
  
  3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!
  88,679 replies 23,528 retweets 77,200 likes
  Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 18h18 hours ago
  
  Go Republican Senators, Go! Get there after waiting for 7 years. Give America great healthcare!
  34,754 replies 12,505 retweets 62,838 likes
  
  Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Jul 27
  
  Come on Republican Senators, you can do it on Healthcare. After 7 years, this is your chance to shine! Don’t let the American people down!
  25,515 replies 20,989 retweets 88,585 likes
  
  *I am not sold on the new shade of spray tan .
  He looks like he has smeared poop on his face .
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:47am
- Inandout
  
  A bit of positive stuff for the President. A top FBI lawyer may be under investigation for leaks, and though Fox has also featured the story you would be hard pressed to find it on CNN.
  
  https://www.circa.com/story/2017/07/27/politics/a-top-fbi-lawyer-is-allegedly-under-an-investigation-for-leaking-classified-information-to-the-media
  
  ‘A federal law enforcement official with knowledge of ongoing internal investigations in the bureau told Circa, “the bureau is scouring for leakers and there’s been a lot of investigations.”
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:48am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yet the facts don’t support the outrage from the swamp dwellers. When you tally up what the democratically elected President has achieved in just six months only a moron could suggest anything other than Trump “Winning”.
  
  Something much larger than Trump is under attack by this sustained assault on a democratically elected President. Democracy itself is under seige at the moment. We saw that with “old people stole our future” after Brexit and we’re seeing the same with the combined MSM/Swamp attack on Trump.
  
  When Trump is finally out of office, how is a Democrat President ever going to be able to operate again as the Republicans will use the same “full retard” opposition approach now that the Democrats have set some precedents on new lows of behaviours.
  
  Trump is doing what was needed and shocking the broken but cosy Washington way of doing business. It’ll never be the same and the people will never be as poorly served and as taken for granted as they have been by Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush over the past nearly 30 years.
  
  Around the world, established orders are changing. The two major parties in France were nowhere to be seen in the run-off. The UK parliament is much more of a patchwork than it ever used to be. The Democrats can’t even win a game of solitaire in the US right now. Looking forward to a parallel chaos with our election later this year.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:06am
  - virtualmark
    
    That sure is a Different Perspective …
    
    Apart from getting Gorsuch appointed Trump has achieved almost nothing.
    
    ObamaCare hasn’t been repealed. China’s not a currency manipulator. He hasn’t done anything on trade, apart from kill the TPPA, which hadn’t even taken effect. There’s no tax cuts. There’s no infrastructure spendup.
    
    There is kind of a Muslim ban, but it’s been gutted by the courts, and shown his team’s ineptitude. Some insignificant Executive Orders have been repealed. Some regulations have been revoked or overturned, but again in the big scheme of things it’s small fry.
    
    The Chinese, the Saudis, the Russians, and now the French have played him. “Art of the deal” is bluster and bullshit. Trump will give you anything you want as long as you stroke his ego.
    
    Meanwhile his Administration is transparently in chaos. He’s on his second Chief of Staff, his second National Security Advisor, his second Communications Director and his second Press Secretary. His West Wing operates like a Washington version of Game of Thrones. His closest aides are either too corrupt or too dumb to keep themselves out of Mueller’s sights.
    
    Trump’s main achievement has been to fight the press. His base cheer every attack on the MSM. But really, it’s bread & circuses for the masses, and they’re too dumb and distracted to see he hasn’t delivered anything significant. And in case you haven’t noticed … the NYT and WaPo are going from strength to strength … Trump is good for their business.
    
    But hey, you carry on telling yourself he has a Master Plan (TM). But that’s sounding shriller and less convincing every day. My advice is to just yell it louder and louder, to make it seem like you don’t have any doubts of your own.
    
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    July 29, 2017 5:35pm
Southern Raider

Is Herald responsible for dumbing down the nation

Two current high ranking stories
NZ model uses someone else’s passport to travel: when you get into the details she is a no body who lives in Australia and just swapped with a friend on the airbridge and then tweeted about it

In the business section an article about KMart which is written as if it’s a business article but actually just a puff piece for KMart
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July 29, 2017 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  The failing newspaper has taken its gloves off this morning with an article for all intense and purposes is a party political advert for Liebour.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11896
  Quotes from Labour politicans but nothing but Clare Trevett’s oppinion about Nationals policy.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:45am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Did you link wrong article? This is about firefighters and APEC
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:52am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And it’s 17 years old.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:00am
      - VicParking
        
        The failing newspaper has pulled the article. I searched or it evan under claire’s name. It was posted a 5am and looks like when the gods came to work they did not like it. I’m 100% sure I liked the correct article at the time….
        Looks like it was evan to bad for the left wing editors to release.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:09pm
    - VicParking
      
      Found it
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11896479
      
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      July 29, 2017 12:13pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        The picture in the article of Angry & Airhead talking to the woman with the child would make a great caption contest.
        
        Child: “Mum, what are these idiots talking about?”
        
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        July 29, 2017 1:49pm
  - MCos
    
    The paper won’t fail as long as people, such as yourself, continue to read it!
    
    I’ve just read today’s paper edition. Some of the article & opinion pieces I thought were very interesting. I particularly enjoyed reading about the Maori chap down Tauranga way who had the big Lotto win.
    
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    July 29, 2017 1:31pm
- sooty
  
  Oh, goody, now border control will be on the look out for her travelling now. How dumb can you be telling the world about it. Arrested, time in custody.
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:34pm
Keeping Stock

Great post from Lindsay Mitchell, putting Ann Hartley squarely in the sights:

When Ann Hartley was in parliament, 2002-05, Labour passed legislation to increase the penalties for claiming a benefit and not naming the child’s father:

25 August 2004

Heather Roy: When will he admit that this is just a rort so that fathers can dodge child support, and why should taxpayers always have to pick up the bill?
Hon STEVE MAHAREY: It is a rort, and I have said time and time again in this Parliament that fathers must front up to their obligations, and we will make sure they do, as much as we can.

Labour raised the weekly section 70A penalty from $22 to $28 (I argued at select committee it would make no difference).

Ann Hartley wasn’t responsible for her son not being named as father of his and Turei’s daughter, but on the balance of probabilities, she would have known. Paying child support is no small deal.

The stance Labour took then, shows how politically difficult it will now be for them to continue their pact with the Greens.

Andrew Little should be asked if he thinks dodging child support is a rort.

https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/labour-minister-called-dodging-child.html

Little yesterday said that benefit fraud cannot be condoned. But to date he has stopped short of ruling Metiria Turei out as a future Minister i a Labour/Green administration. If he is to have any credibility, he needs to do that today.
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July 29, 2017 8:07am
- Chris R
  
  The lesson Turei and her vile supporters in Greens/Labour need to learn (but they will refuse to) is that lies only exist between the liar and the lied-to, while the truth has an independent life of its own. Little/Shaw etc can do nothing to repair the mess that Turei has bequeathed both of their parties, as more truth (akin to Lindsay Mitchell’s fine work) will continue to ooze to the surface. Turei has finally undertaken a service for this country in that she’s unwittingly exposed the deception on which the MOU is now pinioned.Vote Labour and get Greens = a demonstrable truth. (An equation would be L+G= Lies and Utterly Self Righteous Greed.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    “Little/Shaw etc can do nothing ”
    
    Bullshit. There is a lot they can do about it.
    
    They can man up and say they don’t condone it, won’t accept it.
    
    Shaw can draw a line in the sand: Turei resigns or he resigns.
    
    Labour can announce that they refuse to work with a Green party that includes Turei.
    
    If they don’t do either of these then they are condoning her behaviour and are giving tacit approval for everyone else to rip off the taxpayer too.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:06am
    - Chris R
      
      My point is: Little/Shaw cannot reverse the damage even should they be genuinely inclined to do so. And: Yes, they are condoning Turei’s conduct and her as a deceitful person given she’s not already down the road.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:20am
      - cmm
        
        Well it’s a little late to reverse the damage completely now, but they could have done so by acting decisively a lot earlier.
        
        Every day they wait, they make the situation worse.
        
        Shaw went in to bat for her. He chose to side with her. If he gets caught in the shit-spray then it is of his own making.
        
        Same basic deal for Little. He might say he does not condone it, but he should also say he refuses to have a remorseless fraudster on any cabinet.
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Shaw not only went in to bat for Turei; he said he was “very proud” of her.
        
        http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11893167
        
        That suggests this is part of a deliberate strategy by the Greens to legitimise benefit fraud, and to take away any accountability on beneficiaries.
        
        Compare that with Shaw’s demand that Todd Barclay be stood down. Shaw’s credibility has gone out the window.
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:14am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Dead right cmm. Shaw especially should show some leadership, especially in light of his demands for Barclay to stand down.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:20am
      - holysheet
        
        To show that kind of leadership takes balls. Being forced to share the leadership with this vile piece of shit Metu, has caused Shaw to forget he has some.
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:33am
      - Chris R
        
        The debate here appears to be that Little/Shaw could have softened the damage done by Turei by denouncing it more robustly. To debate this misses the extent and depth of Turei’s deceit. Whether Little/Shaw could have done this or that is superfluous; given Turei has trashed the brands and not solely her reputation which was already dubious at best. She has revealed that theft and duplicity are accepted in the Labour/Green ranks and may well be tolerated. She is not an aberration but is typical of their crews.
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think the Metiria Turei episode shows up just how incompetent Little and Labour’s backroom are.
        
        Labour should have known all about Me Tu’s past, because of the Ann Hartley relationship. They should have had a contingency plan for when the poopoo hit the fan.
        
        Helen & Helen2 always knew where the bodies were buried and who had dug the holes.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:48am
      - calendar girl
        
        Spot on, Maggy. (Loved your comment, especially, about the political skills of H1 and H2!)
        
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        July 29, 2017 2:27pm
- cmm
  
  A vote for Labour is a vote for Turei.
  
  That’s how people see it and there are a lot of Labour voter base who have a problem with Turei ripping off their hard earned taxes.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    Oooh a down vote!
    
    Down-votard, please explain how a vote for Labour is NOT a vote for Turei.
    
    It is a given that Labour needs a Green coalition to get into power and that such a coalition would have Turei in a senior cabinet position.
    
    If you are voting for Labour you therefore want Turei in a senior cabinet position.
    
    ie. A vote for Labour is a vote for Turei.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:10am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      32 to two (as I type this) is pretty overwhelming cmm. Less than 6% of those who have bothered to tick disagree with your comment, and I suspect 6% is about where the Greens are going to end up on Election Day. That will result in wholesale exits from Parliament, and the blame will sit first and foremost with Turei, followed closely by Shaw.
      
      The Greens have lost any right to call themselves the “party of principle”, and Rod Donald’s legacy has been tarnished, possibly beyond repair.
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:19am
      - howitis
        
        You have got to think Kevin Hague must be one of the happiest people right now.
        You could even say he is gay 🙂
        He got out before this sordid mess erupted.
        Good move.
        
        I think the ‘true greens ‘ need to get their party back or start from scratch elsewhere.
        Perhaps their time has come and gone as ‘green ‘ is adapted into mainstream parties around the world.
        eg. Many mainstream governments in Europe have recently declared the end of petrol/diesel cars within a generation.
        
        The move by destructive marxists to bring down our society is well underway.
        Remember there are lots of these in our tertiary institutions making headway in the last 20+ years.
        They can only win by creating a scenario of chaos – as has occurred or was already present in many South American countries in the last 50 years. Destroy to rebuild in their style.
        
        This latest move by the self proclaimed anarchist Turei is a step in a linear activity destined for societal breakdown.
        She opined against ‘two parent families’ right at the get go when first in parliament.
        She sees the old rules of personal responsibility as no longer valid. This leaves the vacuum for the supreme rule of the state.
        This is her crusade where she was able to out- manoeuvre the very determined Sue Bradford.
        Look at DPF’s list from a few days ago:-
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/green_party_welfare_policy_summarised.html
        
        This is war for her and her cohort. This is Russia 1917.
        She is in battle mode. A browner heavier Joan of Arc.
        Don’t expect her to back down or show contrition.
        I wonder if Shaw has the measure of this?
        I wonder in Russel Norman had the measure of this and saw fit to get out like Hague did?
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:45pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I doubt it. Having been a member of the Australian Socialist Workers Party before he graced New Zealand with his presence, Norman was one of the leading lights in reddening the Green Party.
        
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        July 29, 2017 1:35pm
      - Gabby
        
        Of course Toddger Baccy hasn’t stood down has he Smuggy.
        
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        July 29, 2017 1:51pm
  - Kimbo
    
    No down vote from me, but:
    
    A vote for Labour or NZ First is a vote for Turei.
    
    There! Fixed that for ya. 😉
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Yup Kimbo, that is also true.
      
      However at least if NZF was to score higher than Greens it might be the end of the Green disease.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        It might also result in Peters as PM in a NZ First-Labour-Green coalition government!
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “It might also result in Peters as PM in a NZ First-Labour-Green coalition government!”
        
        Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
        Two Ticks Blue !!!
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:31am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Yup Kimbo, that is also true.”
        
        It’s not. It’s just Kimbo and the Captains desperation fantasy.
        
        Peters will not go into a government that includes the Greens. The most likely result, by far and away, is a Nat/NZF coalition.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:38am
      - Kimbo
        
        So Kimbo the gutless moderate implies this is a “possibility”, whereas sold-out deeply-committed to the clash-of-cultures ideology Shawn Herles the self-confessed authoritarian says “will”. A hint, Shawn – this is not Sunday in a conservative church where you can scare all the sheep with soothing certainties where none exist. I say that has someone who, like you Shawn, and unlike the National voters around here, thinks Peters will beat English and everyone else on the campaign trail and will likely total at least 15% and gain the balance of power…
        
        Put it this way: If Peters has the chance to become PM in a NZ-First-National-Green government, compared to a Minister-of-Something in a National-NZ First coalition, and based on what we know of the man on his past performances and choices in 1996 and 2005 and what he has traded away to gaibn the baubles of office…what is he more likely to choose?! 😉
        
        I would suggest one’s answer to that will confirm another suggestion I have made about Winston peters – whether you are for or agin him, love him or hate him, he is the political Rorschach test for all New Zealanders! 😉
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:53am
      - Chris R
        
        Is not too early to assume NZF will be the kingmaker? Should Labour end around 20%, the Greens’ vote fall away to (say) 5%, how can NZF be a kingmaker without itself getting close to 20%? That’s a steep hill. If National ends up with (say) 46% and its tiny support parties chip-in with 4% then it is a done deal…good-bye Winston, Turei and what’s left of Labour. Little Angry can shift to Woodville and become the world’s most proficient road builder as he claims he can sort out the Manawatu Gorge in only a few years. (By the way, the Greenies idea of a passenger train to replace the road connection through the Gorge
        beautifully depicts the idiocy of those fools.)
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:54am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chris R
        
        …how can NZF be a kingmaker without itself getting close to 20%? That’s a steep hill.
        
        Because if the Labour vote collapses to around 20% as did National’s in 2002 (and I think it will happen this year, they are sooooo bad), then it has to go somewhere – and NZ First is the most likely recipient. Waitakere Man is most affected by the hosuing shortage, crime, immigration and welfare abuse. NZ First ticks all those boxes.
        
        Look at the other side of the equation: You rightly pick that National need, like 2011 and 2014 at least 46%, more likely 47% to win. They did that the last two times with…the John Key factor. Key is gone, Peters is the most effective campaigner by far of all the leaders. That is not a slight against English, it is just a fact. So you are backing English to pull the same as John Key – the master-campaigner, the slayer of 3x champion Helen Clark and an experienced politician like Phil Goff, and the man who cut through the madness of “Dirty Politics”?
        
        Can’t see it. Or at least not on the balance of probabilities. So National gets, say 43-44%, there will be a majority in a NZ First-Labour-Green bloc, and if Peters demands the Prime Ministership, with no Little there in Parliament, who can stop him?!
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:04am
      - holysheet
        
        Kimbo, why does the vote have to go somewhere? Liabour voters will stay at home rather than give their vote to someone else. Remember the missing million? It will be the missing 1.5 million this time, and liabour will be below 20%. Angry will be history. The drunken dwarf will not get more than 15% and the gweens will get less than 5%.
        It will be the lowest turnout in history.
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ holysheet
        
        Kimbo, why does the vote have to go somewhere?
        
        Good question. Again, I’m basing it on 2002 when a major party’s vote collapsed. Then, National voters cast their ballots in some cases tactically – they accepted Labour was a shoe-in, but the thing they feared was the Greens gaining sufficient share to be the only coalition option for Clark if she did not gain an outright majority. To forestall that, they voted centrist particularly United Future…and NZ First.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_2002
        
        Same scenario this time – National, I would suggest reached saturation point with the number of working-class Labour-voting Waitakere men they are ever going to get in the last two elections. Now, those who are left, despising the Greens because of Turei’s benefit fraud, and realising National needs a coalition partner that will pull it towards the centre to be more amenable, will vote NZ First. remember, they are ripe for plucking as a new version of “Rob’s mob”, the voters who won the election for Muldoon in 1975, 1978 and 1981 – even though he lost the popular vote in those last two elections. That is…NZ First.
        
        And in doing so, they open up the possibility of a NZ First-Labour-Green coalition. Same with National voters wanting to protest vote against “Labour-lite” national over its supposed “mass immigration” “welfare-spending” and “apartheid” policies. What they want, and what they will get could be two different things if the numbers fall right for Peters…
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:01pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “If Peters has the chance to become PM in a NZ-First-National-Green government”
      
      Oh dear….
      
      The Greens have ruled out any coalition with National, so your scenario is another fantasy.
      
      And I have in fact, repeatedly said that there are no absolute certainties in politics. I have said in other posts that the most likely scenario is that Peters will go with National. I am extremely confidant with that prediction. But nobody can know anything until a coalition is announced.
      
      And what is this statement from you: “A vote for Labour or NZ First is a vote for Turei” but a claim to absolutely know the outcome? You don’t say “is likely” you say IS emphatically.
      
      A hint, Kimbo – this is not Sunday in a conservative church where you can scare all the sheep with soothing certainties where none exist. ?
      
      By the way, I don’t go to a particularly conservative church. More mainstream Anglican with a mix of High Church/contemporary worship and middle of the road theology. And a female minister to boot. Was that a description of the conservative/Calvinist church you attend?
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:09am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        On another discussion thread, Kimbo you claim this: “and Peters WILL agree to a coalition as they WILL make him Prime Minister.” (emphasis mine)
        
        What was your criticism of me again?
        
        “whereas sold-out deeply-committed to the clash-of-cultures ideology Shawn Herles the self-confessed authoritarian says “will””
        
        Ooops…….. 🙂
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:24am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Oh, a sky-fairy believer. That explains a few things.
        
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        July 29, 2017 1:55pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Shawn Herles
      
      “If Peters has the chance to become PM in a NZ-First-National-Green government”
      
      Oh dear….
      
      The Greens have ruled out any coalition with National, so your scenario is another fantasy.
      
      Indeed – and I think you picked my typo 😉 Should be “NZ First-Labour-Green government”. And as you rightly say, with the Greens having ruled out National – actually they’ve gone further than that, they’ve said their purpose is to “end” the National government, then – they are duty-bound to accept that coalition.
      
      And I have in fact, repeatedly said that there are no absolute certainties in politics. I have said in other posts that the most likely scenario is that Peters will go with National. I am extremely confidant with that prediction. But nobody can know anything until a coalition is announced.
      
      OK, so this in your prior post:
      
      Peters will not go into a government that includes the Greens.
      
      …was a typo? Or is it as with:
      
      And what is this statement from you: “A vote for Labour or NZ First is a vote for Turei” but a claim to absolutely know the outcome. You don’t say “is likely” you say IS emphatically.
      
      Yeah, fair cop, although I was working with and modifying the rhetorical structure cmm laid down first, and I did later qualify in the same thread with:
      
      It might also result in Peters as PM in a NZ First-Labour-Green coalition government!
      
      …but ok, I overstated.
      
      A hint, Kimbo – this is not Sunday in a conservative church where you can scare all the sheep with soothing certainties where none exist. ?
      
      Touche! Now, isn’t it a much more interesting discussion when we can acknowledge when someone makes a valid point. Another suggestion to aid you assimilation into NZ, which you’ve incorrectly assumed is complete. Kiwis don’t like the North American big-noting over-stated “I completely obliterated your argument” self-administered back-slap and victory lap approach. Try to imitate, say, Richie McCaw do the business, leave it out on the field…and leave it out there for others to decide. That Kiwi cultural consultancy advise is free, btw.
      
      By the way, was that a description of the conservative/Calvinist church you attend?
      
      Not at present, but I’ve been in enough over the years, and. now, having had a chance to look back I can see some of the fear and rhetorical tricks and demagoguery they use – which seems to be repeated in your ideology. “The communists/atheists/homosexuals/lib-progs are taking over!!!” As you yourself acknowledge, you are not an easy fit in the Anglican Church, despite its “broad” constituency! 😉
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:24am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Indeed – and I think you picked my typo”
        
        Ohhhh….
        
        “Yeah, fair cop, although I was working with and modifying the rhetorical structure cmm laid down first”
        
        Ohhhh…..
        
        Ever thought of becoming a politician? Or selling used cars? 😉
        
        ““The communists/atheists/homosexuals/lib-progs are taking over!!!””
        
        Progressive Liberals have been in charge for a long time now. Communism has long since ceased being a threat to the West. And I consider atheists powerless and irrelevant, more a mild annoyance than a threat. So, that’s not really a description of what I have said.
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        And I consider atheists powerless and irrelevant, more a mild annoyance than a threat. So, that’s not really a description of what I have said.
        
        Said? No
        
        Meant? Getting close
        
        So what? Yup, IMHO.
        
        Like the Protocols of Zion comparison I made, and you ran out on that discussion just when it was getting interesting. No, the “bad guys” for you aren’t “International Jewry”, no your detailing of the globalist/lib-prog agenda (can I use that word to describe your prescription?) is not a secret conspiracy
        
        …but as far as I can tell, in the main the result they want is the same as the Elders in the Protocols were after.
        
        That was my point. No Godwins, just saying you are buying into a re-booted version of a cultural and religious conservative’s boogey man nightmare. You may be right, Shawn, but as with the comparison you raised last night with the scare over Irish Catholic migrants in the 1850s and 1860s, and the current cultural conservative obsession with Muslims (you never came back to me on that one, btw. Why do you melt away just as we get to the nitty-gritty of your ideological assumptions? 😉 ),
        
        …that doesn’t at least cause you to think, “maybe, just maybe, I’ve lost perspective”? But as I said, it seems with you for one to even ask that question is being duped by the lib-prog agenda! 😉
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:50am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “and you ran out on that discussion just when it was getting interesting. ”
        
        Hah! No Kimbo, it was not at any point getting interesting, you just kept digging yourself into a hole when I had, and this is an accurate description, destroyed your claim. All you have done since then, including in your post here, is move the goal posts repeatedly until what you are saying and what the Protocols conspiracy says might as well be on different planets.
        
        Now having been exposed repeatedly saying that Peter’s “will” do this or that, not just on this thread but on others, after criticizing me for using the same word, you have desperately resurrected your bat shit crazy analogy to try and deflect and save face.
        
        There is an old saying Kimbo, when you’re in a hole… 🙂
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …Kimbo, it was not at any point getting interesting
        
        Fair enough, Shawn. In that case
        
        1. why have you sought me out for a long time in this forum, ever since I made a comment about Israel that was not to your liking, and, now, having returned from a self-imposed absence, you’ve renewed that continual stalking?
        
        2. If you really do believe there is a critical clash of cultures being waged and the fate of Western Civilisation is in the balance, what the hell are you doing here?! In case you didn’t notice, the online constituency here is, in the main culturally conservative and amenable to much of your anti-Muslim immigration message. Shouldn’t you have volunteered and trained to go and fight the jihadist threat at source instead of hanging around here, like some key-board warrior preaching to the choir?
        
        Don’t get me wrong -good on you for putting in your two cents worth and it makes the place…interesting (although in your case, the sheer lack of movement, inability to self-examine and niggling and one-upmanship over petty details does, IMHO, limit what one can learn from you)
        
        …but it’s the old story. You find out about someone’s ideological credibility from what they….do.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:18pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        Kimbo,
        
        “No Godwins, just saying you are buying into a re-booted version of a cultural and religious conservative’s boogey man nightmare.”
        
        Read ‘While Europe Slept’ by Bruce Bawer. He’s a liberal gay man.
        
        And Douglas Murray’s ‘The Strange Death of Europe’.
        
        Neither man is hard right religious conservative. Both are concerned with preserving liberal democracy, including it’s tolerance for women and homosexuals, And both books are backed up with facts and research.
        
        Do some real research Kimbo. Because on the issues of mass migration and Islam, it is clear you have done none at all. You have your head in the sand, and all you can do us fail about in outrage at anyone who asks you to look up, and make specious accusations that that people who have done the research are just deluded conspiracy mongers.
        
        Mere ignorance is forgivable. Deliberate, self-imposed ignorance is not.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Shawn Herles
        
        Read ‘While Europe Slept’ by Bruce Bawer. He’s a liberal gay man.
        
        So was Allan Bloom, the guy who kicked off the “culture wars” industry.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind
        
        Same “rotting our culture from the inside” scenario. Doesn’t make him right or wrong, either in part or in whole. I do think Bloom has some useful insights btw.
        
        And Douglas Murray’s ‘The Strange Death of Europe’.
        
        Neither man is hard right religious conservative. Both are concerned with preserving liberal democracy, including it’s tolerance for women and homosexuals, And both books are backed up with facts and research.
        
        Do some real research Kimbo. Because on the issues of mass migration and Islam, it is clear you have done none at all. You have your head in the sand, and all you can do us fail about in outrage at anyone who asks you to look up, and make specious accusations that that people who have done the research are just deluded conspiracy mongers.
        
        Mere ignorance is forgivable. Deliberate, self-imposed ignorance is not.
        
        Thanks, Shawn. Now, a question. Leaving aside those who already concur with you, do you think your demeanour and manner of engagement in this forum is helpful or prejudicial to a neutral observer deciding “this guy, Shawn Herles, he seems like a calm, sober and self-critical judge, whose reading recommendations are worthy of investing my money and time for further investigation”?
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:26pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “why have you sought me out for a long time in this forum, ever since I made a comment about Israel that was not to your liking, and, now, having returned from a self-imposed absence, you’ve renewed that continual stalking?”
        
        I’m not stalking you. In fact it’s not personal or about you at all. I respond to comments on the issues I have an interest in. You just happen to comment on those issues. So do others. I respond to those as well.
        
        “If you really do believe there is a critical clash of cultures being waged and the fate of Western Civilisation is in the balance, what the hell are you doing here?! ”
        
        Debating that issue and highlighting it. I do so on many other forums as well, and in face to face discussions with people. I’m also involved with real world groups of people with the same concern.
        
        “Should you have volunteered and trained to go and fight the jihadist threat at source instead of hanging around here, like some key-board warrior preaching to the choir?”
        
        War fighting is for professional soldiers. I’m not a professional soldier, and well over 50 years old. But you’re missing the point. The real war is not in the ME against ISIS, it’s not even against Muslims as such, it’s here, at home, against Prog-Lib SJW’s and our liberal globalist political elites. And that is a meta-political culture war that can only be fought with ideas, counter-propaganda, and votes.
        
        The Internet is a powerful weapon Kimbo. It helped get Trump elected.
        
        Now before you accuse me of running away again, I have a lot of unpacking still to do, so I may be offline for a few hours.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I’m not stalking you. In fact it’s not personal or about you at all.
        
        Meh. You misuse my name for the self-confessed purpose of annoying me. See why you detract from your credibility? So again, why should I waste my money and time on your reading recommendations when it sure looks like “the self-deceit is strong in this one”?
        
        The real war is not in the ME against ISIS, it’s not even against Muslims as such, it’s here, at home, against Pro-Lib SJW’s and our liberal globalist political elites. And that is a meta-political culture war that can only be fought with ideas, counter-propaganda, and votes.
        
        The Internet is a powerful weapon Kimbo. It helped get Trump elected.
        
        Sure, but doesn’t that mean you a wage the war where you are likely to get new converts to your cause? Looks to me, based on the majority of the constituency here that Kiwiblog is waaaaaay to the rear in that front line where there is a battle of ideas. Including stopping Muslim migration. Unless, say, you think you can flip the now-absent stephieboy? 😉
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:42pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Bang on Kimbo. It is possible that the old geezer might see another little spike in his poll results that will be momentary. When serious voters review his antics of the past they will realise a Labour/Green/NZ First blend could get him the top job. They will know a vote for either will net all three. The fools who have conned themselves into the value of a protest vote for Winston First are dreaming. He’s just in it for himself. Best alternative is still tick Two 4 Blue and leave them all on the opposition benches to squabble.
      
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      July 29, 2017 4:49pm
- Peter
  
  It’s also a sign of Labours complete and utter disconnect from the working man.
  
  The working man HATES being taken the piss out of, especially by university students on the make.
  
  Why do they call themselves “Labour”? Does the name, and history, mean anything at all?
  
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  July 29, 2017 11:36am
  - GoVege
    
    It used to.
    Back when we had a work ethic and family values.
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:34pm
duggledog

Cub reporter Ben Hill asks, in the first sentence of this article about the Whangarei psycho policeman-stabbing multiple murderer:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11896291

‘The warning signs were there – so why did no one step in to help Quinn Patterson?’

I would have thought the answer was obvious, Ben Hill.

1: They may have had concerns about being attacked
2: You can’t help some people.
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July 29, 2017 8:08am
- Southern Raider
  
  Apparently family were very concerned days before the murders that he was getting even worse than normal and had multiple weapons including pistols and grenades
  
  What type of family thinks this is normal and doesn’t alert Police?
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    The family and neighbours knew he had guns and knew he was not fit to have them, but did nothing.
    
    Heck, I bet many even knew that he didn’t have a gun license.
    
    Now the axe will fall on responsible gun owners etc.
    
    The cops (and by extension society at large) don’t need new laws, they just need to use the existing laws properly.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:13am
    - SGA
      
      cmm
      
      Heck, I bet many even knew that he didn’t have a gun license.
      
      Must say I’ve always assumed that the people that I know who have guns have a license. I can’t remember asking one if they did (let alone asking to see it).
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:20am
      - cmm
        
        I tend to assume the same.
        
        However you’ll generally know with people close to you as the vetting process requires people being interviewed.
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:45am
      - SGA
        
        However you’ll generally know with people close to you as the vetting process requires people being interviewed.
        
        Depends how long they’ve had their license, and how long they or you have lived there. I’ve no idea who in my immediate neighborhood or circle has a gun license and who doesn’t.
        I’m not sure I buy the “many even knew that he didn’t have a gun license” angle.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:18am
      - cmm
        
        SGA
        
        Surely his family knew.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:59pm
      - SGA
        
        Perhaps they did, but I see no reason why they necessarily would or wouldn’t. It’s not as though he was a teenager living with his parents. I’ve three siblings and I have no idea which of those may or not have a gun license (one probably does because he owns a .22, but I’ve never seen the need to enquire). Maybe you’re the sort of person who does ask friends and family if they have a gun license for their guns, but I imagine you’d be in the minority. But, as I say, maybe you are right and many people knew he didn’t have one.
        
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        July 29, 2017 2:53pm
      - cmm
        
        SGA: If your brother with a 22, and much more than just a 22, had huge mental problems and had stabbed (or tried to stab) a cop, then you might just ask the question or ask for some help on the matters.
        
        We can’t delegate all of this to the state.
        
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        July 29, 2017 6:02pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “I’ve three siblings and I have no idea which of those may or not have a gun license (one probably does because he owns a .22, but I’ve never seen the need to enquire).”
        
        Have any of your siblings stabbed a Police Officer?
        
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        July 29, 2017 6:05pm
    - VicParking
      
      TV were all about blaming the police who they say missed all the signs. The called on him about a structure he had in his back yard. He said the bangs were fireworks, no evidence, could not search (no warrant) so had to leave.
      
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      July 29, 2017 7:43pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Yes, the tired old Kiwi response, it is always someone else’s fault in this country.
  80+ years of institutionalised avoidance of personal responsibility and buck passing.
  Tho` an explanation from the cops of how a convicted cop killer can amass an arsenal of weapons,
  even if he is such a wonderful guy(according to family and “friends”), would be nice.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:27am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    My bad, assaulted a cop with a knife.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:34am
- Gabby
  
  Plenty of people helped arm him.
  
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  July 29, 2017 1:56pm
Southern Raider

So a man in his 20’s gets a 14 years old drunk and rapes her while the mother is watching

The mother set this up with the man and spent weeks setting up how they would do it

The man got 6 years. Girl is in CYPS

No mention at all about the mother so assume she hasn’t been charged at all.

Surely mothers (and fathers) should receive a greater sentence than the offender in these situations for major beach or duty of care

And this is the type of person Mu Tu wants to give more money and less responsibility to
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July 29, 2017 8:08am
lifesgood

So over in the WO echo chamber people are claiming they will vote for NZ first because Bill English is arrogant!!! Excuse me! Is there anyone more arrogant than Winston? And please outline the arrogance of Bill…I seem to have missed it.
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July 29, 2017 8:22am
- CHFR
  
  Bought and paid for which is sad because he can have a good take on politics at times. I just can’t believe that after leading the pay it back crusade WO can take Winston’s $$ and forget the past.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:39am
  - VicParking
    
    WO has become deranged. His political articles swing one way and another, most of his assumptions are now just fantasy. His bitterness about people slagging of Israel is doubling by the week. I treat his blog now as a comedy.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:52am
    - Swifty
      
      He’s not what he once was.
      
      I reckon quality fell when he went to posts every 30 mins. A few quality articles per day would be better I reckon.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:49am
      - VicParking
        
        A few Quality articles period.
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:18pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Might be a bit strong to see it as deranged but it has been sliding in recent months especially as some free speech can be costly. While moderation can help the tone it seems that it will be stepped up for some who might not follow the narrative. Savvy voters acknowledge the danger in supporting Winston First as it might just as easily be a nasty WinstonFirst/Labour/ Green grey blend that takes the country down. He will know the numbers well and be looking for a grand finale to a lack lustre political career.
      Time to make MMP work. Simply tick Two 4 Blue and opt for security and stability.
      
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      July 29, 2017 5:13pm
- peterwn
  
  The bottom line is WO wishes for a National/ NZF coalition with one objective in mind – to clamp down on Islamic immigration. A secondary objective (dream) would be to see Bill dumped as National leader as a coalition ‘bottom line’ (Cam, I think, has had a dislike of Bill ever since the early 2000’s). This is based on the assumption that NZF will not form a coalition with Labour/ Greens, hence all the gloating on the problems the Left face. An implosion of the Greens vote could mean that Labour could form a coalition with Winston without the Greens.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:50am
  - Kimbo
    
    Dangerous strategy as, if the numbers fall the right way for Winston, Little misses out on Parliament but NZ First, Labour and the Greens have enough for a majority…and Peters will agree to a coalition as they will make him Prime Minister.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:31am
    - JasonJohns
      
      And McCain is exposed as only voting against Trump because Trump pointed out his history of cowardice and military failure
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/28/bill-oreilly-john-mccain-torpedoed-health-care-bil/ But McCain doesn’t realise Trump is playing him. Trump decided beforehand that the vote would ‘fail’. He made McCain’s mind up deliberately. The guy is too far ahead for some people.
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:16am
- KevOB
  
  Has WO considered himself? His arrogance and pride surpasses his thinking capacity. Has he ever lost a grudge?
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Nailed it in the first sentence; WO and echo chamber
  
  Thank goodness for the Daily Roundup and cute begging kitty
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Why are Kiwibloggers so blase about 3 terms of sellout to Aunty Helen’s program for NZ, culminating in out-doing her in evil by handing powers of obstruction and shakedown over economic development of all kinds, to “Iwi”?
  
  Plus they have let immigration become an issue of a kind it never needed to be, if they had reformed the process of housing supply and stabilised the prices. Included in this would have been a program of properly funded urban infrastructure for growth. Plenty of capital sloshing around the world looking for investment havens – it is a question of competence of government whether that capital funnels, zero-sum, into house prices, or into infrastructure and growth.
  
  Furthermore, immigration needs to be accompanied by an expectation of assimilation, not touchy-feely multi-culti pandering. But I do like the way so many immigrants do assimilate here in NZ, our problems are not as bad as, say, Sweden.
  
  Michael Moore described the election of Donald Trump as “a middle finger from voters fed up with the establishment”. I feel strongly enough about National now that I don’t care if Winston becomes PM. And I despise Winston and always have. But sometimes it is a question of the right guy to send a “middle finger” message to the establishment. And no-one is as boldly non-PC as Winston and his team. Bring on the end of immigration of “misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan”!
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:05am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Extremely tempting though a protest vote against the government is, the phrase ‘cut off your nose to spite your face’ comes to mind.
    
    Can we trust WP not to sell out to whoever offers him the highest office? And will it be the desirable or undesirable policies he ditches in exchange for high office?
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:40am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Best and safest way to send a protest vote to National is party vote ACT
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:25am
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “Best and safest way to send a protest vote to National is party vote ACT”
        
        That’s not a protest vote. It’s a vote for more of the same.
        
        ‘Winston Peters could embolden racists: Act Party leader David Seymour’
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11846016
        
        ‘Act’s David Seymour condemns National for starting ‘populist bidding war’ on immigration’
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11842659
        
        Seymour is a liberal globalist who does not care one bit for the survival of the West.
        
        ACT should be honest and rename itself the George Soros Party.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:53am
      - howitis
        
        ACT is one hair on the tail of a dog.
        
        This is not 1996.
        Seymour is more like Swarbrick than Prebble.
        
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        July 29, 2017 2:12pm
      - VicParking
        
        My thought to but its not worth the risk. two blue
        
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        July 29, 2017 7:46pm
    - Gabby
      
      You’ll at least have a pretty good idea who Win sells out to. With Bingles, Jawsie, Jeery, Munter, Slimy and Prick it’s a bit harder to tell.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:02pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sadly, there seems to be a yuge amount of denial going on from the regulars at KB at the moment Phil.
    
    It’s seemed clear that over the past 18 months around the western world there has been a populist lurch to the right in most electoral settings. I too thought Moorer perfectly picked the ‘middle finger’ element of the Trump support and there was much denial from all the usual “experts” as Moorer tried his best to raise awareness as to what he considered an impending disaster.
    
    And yes to the scaremongers here – nothing is certain where Winston’s self-interests are concerned. However, the balance of probability suggests the chorus of “a vote for NZF = a Frankenstein coalition of the Left” is far less likely.
    
    For a start Winston/NZF isn’t a left/right/centre anything party. Their support is cobbled together from across the spectrum. To suggest that a party calling for abolition of Maori seats is centre left is silly. Similarly, to suggest they’re far right when the promise handouts like they are to pensioners is equally daft.
    
    NZ First are on a totally different axis, they are solely populist. They don’t have any left-right orientation – they solely promise that which will garner support. They are the perfect creature of MMP – utterly lacking in political ideology or principle – other than doing whatever is necessary to obtain leverage.
    
    The “sensible” microscopically right of centre tiny ‘c’ conservatives on KB may not like the new normal. But a populist lurch to the right is the new normal and National are out of step with the new normal. A big protest vote is coming and denial is going to help make the best of it.
    
    My pick is 25% chance of WP going to the Left, 75% of him going to the Right. In any setting allying yourself with weakness in a fragmented coalition is dumb, holding the lead on the big dog makes much more sense. Winnie wants utu on National and he can extract that for three long, painful years if he aligns with National – he only gets a momentary buzz if he puts them in opposition.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:26am
    - Kimbo
      
      NZ First are on a totally different axis, they are solely populist.
      
      In the NZ context they are a revived version (or rather, they never went away) of “Rob’s Mob”, Rob Muldoon’s pragmatic Keynesian interventionist one-nation economic nationalism and support for the “deserving poor” via the welfare state policies, which was part of the post-war National-Labour consensus…until 1984.
      
      So just like Muldoon, they are pragmatic centrists who draw votes from both the right and left depending on which of their policies their voters prioritise. For example, in 1996 they won all of the (then 5) Maori seats because Maori voters are socially conservative, and more suspicious of others of…immigration (which Peters’ unveiled as his policy for the first time at that election). Now, having thrown Maori seats under the bus, Peters is attracting the white conservative “we must abolish NZ (sic) apartheid” vote…
      
      So my question is, if he traded away the “cut immigration to the bone” promise twice before for the baubles, why would anyone believe Peters when he says it will be a “bottom-line” this time?!
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:39am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Two Ticks Blue.
        The only way to save this nation from catastrophe.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:00pm
      - KevOB
        
        ☑️☑️
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:23pm
  - niggly
    
    PhilB – fully agree with “immigration needs to be accompanied by an expectation of assimilation”.
    
    However, and this is a genuine question, has Winston actually promised that NZF will enforce that or make it a policy? Even as a “bottom line”?
    
    I don’t believe I’ve heard Winston saying that (I believe he has made some casual remarks on the subject but not actually stated any policy – if he had the MSM would have had a field day and called him “racist” etc). Like I say, genuine question, as I’m not sure that NZF would deliver on such a promise, so would like to be proven otherwise etc.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:38am
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Southern Raider

I think in that part of the country this shit doesn’t happen, that’s why

However neighbours reckon it was like the first day of Ypres up there quite often. They all knew he was an oddball and you did not under any circumstances ‘pop in for a cup of tea’

How many folks knew about Patterson’s history? Or his multiple firearms, thousands of rounds of ammunition, grenades (WTF?) and… no gun licence? Why did they not inform the Police? Did his sister know about her brother’s armoury?

There will be literally scores of nutters like Quinn currently shambling round communities with brains squirming like a toad to quote Jim Morrison.

Quinton Winders. Russell Tully. David Gray. Stephen Anderson. They all needed help, but in hindsight the community needed the help more, and that just means putting them somewhere quiet where they can’t harm others.

Why did we stop registering guns and start closing mental institutions?
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July 29, 2017 8:25am
- Southern Raider
  
  Agree but in this case the family lived local and they knew all was not well
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:33am
- G152
  
  Firstly consider the grenades claim was reported by fake news.
  Automatic rifles and pistols I can believe but grenades?
  And when the house burned to the ground there are no reports of explosions and a grenade cooking off is quite impressive to the inexperienced
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:59am
- waikatogirl
  
  TVNZ reporter last night had just reported on Patterson having once stabbed a police officer, but failed to link that with why Patterson had been refused a gun license, saying “the police did not say why he was refused a gun license.”
  
  Doh!
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:08am
  - peterwn
    
    IRD does not talk about taxpayers’ private affairs, so Police do not talk about applicants’ private affairs concerning gun licences.
    An issue closer to the point is did the Police know he had firearms (eg a complaint from neighbours) and if so why they did not act on it.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:31am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Whatever the truth is, the answer will be no
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:58am
- cmm
  
  Registering guns won’t change this.
  
  The current law was surely enough to have handled this situation.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:17am
- Gabby
  
  What happens if it turns out the police were informed and just hadn’t quite got round to giving a shit?
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:05pm
- Gabby
  
  We stopped registering guns because Ben Couch was a moron.
  
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  July 29, 2017 3:47pm
holysheet

Doing some genealogy research last night and came upon this gem from the past.

Wit and humour from 1896

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LWM18961113.2.19
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July 29, 2017 8:31am
- pdm
  
  Good stuff Holy – well worth a look.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:22am
Southern Raider

Stuff plugs an article about Green Party launch in Canterbury last night, great support for their co leader and how Mu Tu is so honest

Then you read the comments. No matter how the MSM try to spin this she is getting savaged by average Kiwis

Also good to see comments about “what was Labour thinking”
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July 29, 2017 8:32am
- PhilBest
  
  At least Stuff isn’t moderating everything out of existence to suit their own agenda. I would suspect even so, that they are moderating comments out, and what they are letting us see is only the half of it.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:07am
  - adamsmith1922
    
    Given the rapidity with which Stuff has been closing comments on some articles re Turei and the general tenor of such comments. Stuff must be reeling at just how disliked Turei’s actions are.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:52am
    - Colville
      
      Stuff are shutting off comments after a few hours and they are still getting 500+ comments
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:19am
      - Southern Raider
        
        And 99% slamming Mu Tu, Greens and Labour
        
        Hopefully next poll shows this sentiment
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:27am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Can you supply a link as article not immediately apparent on Stuff website
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:53am
  - Southern Raider
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95236525/metiria-tureis-benefit-fraud-confession-part-of-policy-to-speak-truth-to-power
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:29am
    - niggly
      
      Many thanks, but stink – Fairfax have deleted all the reader comments (they must have been really damning)! 🙂
      
      Either that or maybe the Green Party have “called in” their supporters working for Fairfax, to censor the “views of the people” – well fancy that!
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:27am
      - VicParking
        
        The troops have been called in to flood the comments. They have taken a major shift in the last couple of hours. Anyone looking at the tweets from the greens asking for this
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:23pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        The comments are still there – you’ve just got to scroll all the way down (Penny and Hugh will have taught you how to do that).
        But they’ve closed off any more comments.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:03pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        Obviously shows that like all good bludgers the Green Party faithful don’t get out of bed until after 10am, whereas the hardworking family people are up early and can savage their messiah
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:55pm
      - niggly
        
        @ Captain – many thanks, tried a different browser and now can see them (blimey those commentators sure are hammering the Greens! Here’s one … “Bad move Greens, to stand behind a thieving fraudster means you have lost my vote, what are you thinking?! “ oh and another “Throw the book at her. She’s milking this and it’s disgraceful. Given her age uni was free for the first 2-3 years of her study. She’s a disgrace.”)!
        
        [My bad earlier, installed that Ghostery blocker that was recommended here recently on main browser – it seems to have blocked viewing the readers comments]!
        
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        July 29, 2017 7:31pm
holysheet

Ah that good old diversity dividend just keeps getting paid.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/28/german-police-1-killed-in-knife-attack-at-hamburg-supermarket.html
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July 29, 2017 8:36am
Southern Raider

So a Palestinian murders three Israelis at their home during Shabbat evening meal where they were celebrating a new grandchild

His mother praises her son for killing Jews. She will now receive his “salary for martyrs” paid by the PA every month ongoing

The PA foreign minister is on video saying it’s unfair to expect Palestinians to not kill Jews

Yet the UN still focuse on Israel
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July 29, 2017 8:43am
- Inandout
  
  Now if that had happened in Canada their PM would likely pay the mother $10 million, without consulting parliament.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:03am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Martyr “salary” payments are around $3K per month ongoing
    
    But apparently the Palestinians live in poverty because of Israel
    
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    July 29, 2017 11:48am
Happychappy

Chuck : So much for your post about Flavell being childish about Winston point of order in Parliaments Question time about Te Reo Maori. Even the Media made Winston one of the cry baby of the week in the what MP had the high or the low of the week.
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July 29, 2017 8:43am
- peterwn
  
  Metiria did not raise points of order when she could not understand Hekia’s Te Reo answers in response to Metiria’s questions in Te Reo (Metiria is not particularly fluent in Te Reo).
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:54am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Yes apparently she pretends to be fluent but can only read prepared questions in te reo, any answers are always in English and if someone responds in te reo she is screwed
    
    Another example of why she is a fraud
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:00am
    - VicParking
      
      If you watch she listern to tye translations when shes not front and centre but not when she is READING Te Reo.
      
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      July 29, 2017 12:26pm
  - KevOB
    
    She uses pidgin Maori with pathetic pretentiousness.
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:26pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Is she fluent is English. NZ has 3 official languages. If it okay for the answer to be given in sign with no translation?
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:14pm
JasonJohns

The cuck media is claiming Trump suffered a lost with the healthcare vote. Actually he won big – again. Trump has said over and over on the campaign trail that he has a plan for health. It’ll cut costs hugely and remove compulsion. He’s waiting for the right moment to reveal that plan, Trumpcare. For now though he’s content to smoke out traitors like McCain. He wants them to disgrace themselves, in the spotlight. Trump is always three steps ahead of anyone else. He plays 5 dimensional chess.
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July 29, 2017 8:44am
- virtualmark
  
  Duggledog, speaking of “brains squirming like a toad”, check this guy out …
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    virtualmark, I was going to call you toad brain yourself as you forgot the link, but it is still early. Perhaps another cup of coffee will help? ?
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:20am
    - Swifty
      
      I think he’s referring to JasonJohns….
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:55am
- holysheet
  
  Griff plays 4 dimensional chess when he is stoned.
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:51am
- KevOB
  
  Health care in the USA has been captured by the insurance industry and provider associates. As they own political loyalties too they endeavour to control payments.
  What hope any care in such a system? Providers dissatisfied with their mere rapacious pickings are dropping out. The implosion is occurring independent of the party in power.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:04am
- adamsmith1922
  
  You sir are deluded. Please explain how Trump will cut health care costs.
  
  5 dimensional chess, Trump has difficulty focusing on the moment let alone the future.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:56am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s not Trumps plan at all. Never has been.
    It’s up to the Congress and Senate to devise one. Heck, they have had SEVEN years.
    Ted Cruz’s amendment (amongst others) was judged to reduce costs significantly.
    It’s a mess at the moment but even Obamacare took 18 months to pass and that is failing…The cost blowouts are huge and it’s turned OCare into a massive slush fund for Insurance coys- although another one is leaving. Soon there will be NO coverage at all for people.
    Something will be done, because it has to be.
    I note that of those who voted against skinny repeal, most of them are in States Trump won.
    Good luck to them in the Primaries. That vote has exposed them.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:26pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      So Obamacare took 18 months, the Republicans have had the 18 months, and the length of time Obamacare has been in place and they STILL haven’t come up with a way of replacing it that doesn’t cost more or end the coverage for 20 million people.
      
      And that is a good thing?
      
      I would have expected the Republicans to have been working on this for years and have it ready to roll so that it a major milestone inside Trump’s first 100 days.
      
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      July 29, 2017 3:08pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Bu but but trump promised he had a better answer.
        He said it clear as day on the campaign many times
        
        The trumpies is now saying it isn’t trumps fault they don’t have an answer.
        
        A sane person would conclude trump was a full of shite loser.
        The loonys decide he is winning .
        One wonders how long they can keep fooling them self s.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The GOP hasn’t had 18 months. Only since Jan when Trump became President. Obama vetoed their last effort.
        And it’s the Congress and Senate who creates the laws and approves the spending. You guys ignorance is just astounding!
        Anyone who thinks Obamacare is working is a total moron.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:54pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Slowly all on red.
        Trump said he could fix Obama care.
        It was one of his main campaign platforms
        It turns out .
        Shocking I know.
        Wait for it.
        He has no fucken idea at all about what to do to replace it.
        You are now blaming the Republican party because it can not supply what trump promised.
        Trumps promise his to deliver.
        
        Trump: ‘Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated’ – video …
        https://www.theguardian.com › US News › Donald Trump
        
        Well duh.
        
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        July 29, 2017 4:28pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        All_on_Red,
        
        The point I’m trying to make is that Trump continually says that he has a plan and that he never reveals them.
        He campaigned on repealing Obamacare, in fact he listed a great many things that he was going to do on day 1.
        If he really did have a great plan for healthcare, he would have been front and center on the White House Lawn, announcing TrumpCare. The Republicans would have run with it and with control of both Houses, it would have been a certainty.
        
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        July 29, 2017 4:51pm
  - KevOB
    
    Health costs are exploding to the point of complete unaffordability. The insurers are going to have their revise their aspirations if the Government won’t play ball with price demands. Painful, but time will fix it.
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    Chump think chess is where women wear their bras.
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:40pm
- Disaster Area
  
  The irony here is that Mitch McConnell crafted this draft bill behind closed doors and then pushed it out there, despite it not actually being finished.
  Obviously there were enough Senators who didn’t believe that it would lead on to more substantial debate and a proper bill.
  
  As for Trump’s master plans, just like his plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days, he might actually want to reveal some details of these plans. At the moment all he does is say “I’ve got a plan, but I’m not going to tell you what it is”.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:05am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Bill was to repeal so they can then start working through the content of the replacement…
    It’s not up to Trump. Congresss approved their plan and now it’s the Senates turn.
    You don’t really know how this works eh. There’s the Legislative branch and the Executive branch.
    Trump is the latter. Congress and the Senate the former.
    
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    July 29, 2017 4:01pm
- Gabby
  
  Cuck soccer.
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:11pm
Southern Raider

So a Palestinian shoots an Israeli solider dead on the Temple Mount. An area supposedly of religious importance to Muslims and absolutely free of weapons

Israeli puts up metal detector screening points, but doesn’t block access. There is days of rage around the world

Israeli pulls down the metal detectors. There is days of rage around the world

Meanwhile at Mecca the Saudi authorities have just put up metal and explosive detection screening points at all entrances. Not even a whisper in the Muslim world
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July 29, 2017 8:49am
- PhilBest
  
  Good on you for bringing that up. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read that Israel had caved and removed the metal detectors. They get no thanks for being bend-over-backwards gracious.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:09am
Keeping Stock

Notsofast will be apoplectic this morning. The pathologist in the Lundy murder case has come out and defended attacks on his integrity:

The small tissue was sent for testing in the United States, and Texan pathologist Dr Rodney Miller confirmed it was brain matter and later gave evidence at trial.

Temple-Camp described the tissue as a “very lucky break” for prosecutors, noting it was small enough to have dried and perfectly preserved itself on the shirt, therefore escaping the attention of Lundy who could have removed it.

He theorised the tissue had been transferred from Lundy’s right thumb to his clothes.

Temple-Camp said his opinion came under significant scrutiny from Lundy’s defence team, who he labelled “frustratingly single minded,” at the 2013 Privy Council appeal hearing.

However he was vindicated after two international experts agreed the tissue was brain.

“The defence was grasping at straws. Christine’s brains were unequivocally on Mark’s shirt and everybody knew it, especially the jury.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11894760

Lundy currently resides where he belongs. Two juries came to the same conclusion. I predict his appeal in October will be thrown out, and Lundy can continue serving time for one of New Zealand’s most callous murders.
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July 29, 2017 8:59am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  FFS, in this softcock legal system this PoS will be eligible for parole in 5 years.
  Is there nothing that can get you put away for the rest of your natural, apart from contempt?
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    There’s no way he’ll get parole first time he’s eligible, especially whilst he is still in denial.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Slashing tyres on streets next to Welly airport guy got how long?
    
    (not condoning his actions)
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:03am
  - Notsofast
    
    I would further add there was a 344a hearing challenging admission of the shirt evidence at the 2015 trial. Ellie France wrote a damning report at the appeal level as dissenting judge, saying keep it out of court, in which case the trial would probably not have proceeded. It is notable she is the one of three who has been promoted to the Supreme Court.
    
    I decided to have a look today. Section 344a hearing 2014 before Justice Kos.
    
    The defence lodged objections numbered 6 and 7 challenging evidence that the cns observed was brain as opposed to spinal cord. “The crown conceded defence objections 6 and 7” (para. 89).
    Para. 95 The IHC analysis shows it represents cns tissue, but could not confirm source (brain or spinal cord) 3. Para 121 again confirms that the stain is cns, but nobody could confirm source.
    In my view the above indicates that The Crown (Morgan) should not have referred to “brain tissue” as being what the stain had been found to be. He should have said only central nervous system tissue.
    
    The agreed facts by all experts are
    1. There is Christine’s dna in the vicinity of the spot.
    2. There is cow sheep and pig dna in the spot
    3. There is no blood in the spot.
    4. There are no brain neurons in the spot
    
    Does this prove, as Temple Camp claims that this is Christine Lundy’s brain?
    
    Was the assailant wearing a full biohazard suit to remain clean of forensic traces during the murder?
    If so how was it removed leaving no evidence? Did the assailant have a shower at the house after? Is there evidence? The drains in the Petone motel were inspected and cleared.
    There is male dna and cloth fibers beneath the fingernails of both victims that has never been identified, but excludes Mark Lundy and any garment he owns. Dna under fingernails disappears fast in normal hand washing, so this must have arrived at the time of the crime scene. There are 7 finger and palm prints around the broken window catch that the police were unable to ascribe to any person known to have visited the house, and the house was thoroughly cleaned 12 hour before the murders. There was a tomahawk found in Lundy’s garage, but he did not paint it as it was not a tool he needed to use in his building work. Temple Camp states in his book there was no tomahawk found, so this is a plain false statement. (or lie if you prefer).
    All the evidence has been dissembled and proved that Lundy was in Petone as claimed. Material going to the appeal court is fresh, and proves the logistics claimed by the police are impossible.
    This is why the appeal will be allowed. It can only be denied if 3 or 5 appeal court judges write and sign a work of the purest fiction. This should haunt them as Tipping and Glazebrooke are haunted by their assertions in 2002 proved untrue about car speed and Time of death.
    
    Thank you all for reading and absorbing these true facts.
    
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    July 29, 2017 11:00am
- Notsofast
  
  He will win his appeal and be released or granted a new trial. If not the case will go to the supreme court then back to the privy council.
  Every word Temple Camp writes is made up. Note that he says he could not prove it was brain with his resources in New Zealand. Rodney Miller used untested science illegal in the USA to make a false finding. Further study has demonstrated what the substance is. Importantly Temple Camp states the tissue arrived at the time of the crime, implying it flew through the air. However there was a clear outline showing the assailant between the victim and a lot of blood on the wall behind him. Whoever cleaved Christine’s skull was covered in blood as well as possible brain, The task for the prosecution should be to explain this brain as a singular item without blood spatter all over the shirt.
  Harper Collins have been notified that there is an appeal pending and that distribution of this book is inappropriate. No case is resolved until the appeals process is complete.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:07am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Every word Temple Camp writes is made up.
    
    The very reason that Dr Temple Camp, a respected pathologist, has felt the need to read his memoirs, of which the Lundy case is but a part.
    
    What Notsofast has written here comes very close to defamation.
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:26pm
    - Notsofast
      
      No it does not KS.
      Facts are the complete defence against defamation. Temple Camp is a raving lunatic who has just stated in his book that Christine and Amber had full stomachs and the digestive process had not begun. Therefore the revised police case is a lie. Or he is lying. Police or Temple Camp, Temple Camp or police. Someone is lying KS, tell your sorrowful villagers, you are all nutters.
      
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      July 29, 2017 12:54pm
    - Notsofast
      
      There is a team shredding his blithering nonsense. It is fun work. It appears he has exonerated Mark Lundy.
      Gorgeous.
      
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      July 29, 2017 1:00pm
- Notsofast
  
  From granny herald
  
  “Temple-Camp is a South African pathologist who has worked in Palmerston North for 30 years and his book covers his time in the field including working on various local crimes.
  
  In two chapters devoted to the high profile Lundy case Temple-Camp said two months after the murders a detective presented him with a small slide containing a smear of biological matter measuring just half a millimetre.
  
  It had been collected by a forensics team and the defence later disputed that it was brain, arguing there had been cross-contamination, and suggesting the tissue was leftover from a bacon sandwich.
  
  Temple-Camp said it took him just minutes to identify the matter by sight, in a simple test he called the ‘Aunt Minnie’ technique.
  
  “How do you know that an old lady in front of you is your Aunt Minnie? Well, it’s usually because you just know,” he wrote.”””
  
  ………………………………………………………….
  
  Temple Camp is a raving lunatic. If he is unlucky enough to have his book distributed, from which he makes no profit, his family will be stuck with this indelible nonsense for ever. I pity them.
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:05pm
JasonJohns

This is the moment when McCain walked right into Trump’s trap
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/john-mccain-maverick-health-care/index.html?sr=twCNN072817john-mccain-maverick-health-care0359PMVODtop
Another huge win for the boss.
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July 29, 2017 9:05am
JasonJohns

Trump’s first task is to drain the swamp inside the White House. Sessions Bannon and Priebus and others foisted themselves on him and tried to push thru a RINO agenda. Trump is going to purge them. Already Priebus is gone
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/28/trump-names-john-kelly-as-new-chief-of-staff/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push
And Trump is exquisitely torturing Sessions with a series of masterly tweets. He knows how to make cucks pay.
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July 29, 2017 9:07am
- PhilBest
  
  If you are right, he is doing an amazingly tactical job, initially appointing “moderates” and then letting them show their true colours by backstabbing him – so his next move is likely to be the appointment and elevation of real, loyal reformers? And abundant justification for drastic purges of corrupted, partisan government agencies? Bring it on, I reckon.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:13am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Trump always has a plan and is always five or six steps ahead of everyone else. The ‘failure’ of Obamacare repeal was planned. Trump hired a lot of cucks like Sessions so that he could make examples of them, so the whole world could see how he drains the swamp. He’s going to get rid of almost all his cabinet and start again. Watch out for Richard Spencer.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:27am
    - Disaster Area
      
      So you’re saying that Trump filled the swamp up a bit more and now he’s going to start draining it? Genius.
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:10am
      - JasonJohns
        
        That’s right. Trump decided to make the WH an exemplary space so that he could show how swamp-draining was done. All or almost all his cabinet picks were deliberately swamp creatures – he wanted to be able to trap and remove them. Sessions was set up to lose from day one. Also Priebus. Trump’s master plan is in its very early stages. He is five or six steps ahead of everyone else.
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:00am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Five or six bankruptcies – sorry, steps ahead or monumentally unprepared, out of his depth and floundering? I know which one I think is most likely.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      Cuck soccer jizzy jocks.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:15pm
- Dany
  
  The tribe has voted, Reince you will be leaving the island tonight, round up your leakers and hope for a spot on Dancing with the stars
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:18am
artemisia

So Dick Frizzell thinks the new sculpture war memorial tree in Wellington is “the most malevolently mangled piece of messaging ever”.

That would be a balanced piece of art criticism then.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/95235236
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July 29, 2017 9:09am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Frizzell missed out on the commission?
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:12am
  - SGA
    
    I thought Frizzell was a painter, not a sculptor?
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:31am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      I`m sure he can do whatever he likes.
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:33am
      - SGA
        
        lol – believe what you like 🙂 who knows, you might be right in your suspicions
        
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        July 29, 2017 9:41am
    - waikatogirl
      
      He designed the Wind Wand in New Plymouth, among other stuff
      
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      July 29, 2017 9:55am
      - cha
        
        Len Lye designed New Plymouth’s wind wand, dope.
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:01am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        It is not a sin to be wrong on this blog, it is a ‘sin’ to to call in such a wankish manner tho’
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:06am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Thanks cha, always good to be informed when one is wrong. I’ll take my mistake on the chin.
        
        Thanks PG! ?
        
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        July 29, 2017 10:13am
- cha
  
  Looks familiar.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  I like the British memorial now I’ve had a good look at it. Initially I thought it looked like 2 pohutukawa trees entwined together forming a giant moa. On reading the explanation of it being a pohutukawa entwined with a mighty English oak and seeing the silhouette of the soldier in between the trunks I applaude Weta and their clever and thoughtful design.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:35am
Happychappy

How will Andrew Little and Winston Peters deal with the news 25% of NZ’s think the Economy is the number one talking point for the up coming Election September 23rd with Health then Education and housing a distant third. Placing the economy first people must believe National are doing a good job and are prepared to make it a election issue so now we will see whether Andrews house,feed ,clothe and electricity grant to the poor rates best for our economy or Winstons go back to 1960 policy willbe good enough to take us foward.
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July 29, 2017 9:12am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dead right Happychappy. When push comes to shove, all the background noise subsides and the majority of Kiwis vote with their wallets.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:19am
  - holysheet
    
    Only those that have them full with what they have earned. The rest will continue to vote for the free stuff from the taxpayer.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:25am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That number won’t be enough for Labour, the Greens and Gareth Morgan to share:
      
      More sole parents and young jobseekers moving off benefits
      
      Social Development Minister Anne Tolley says the number of people dependent on welfare continues to drop, with sole parents and young jobseekers leading the way in moving off benefits.
      
      “At the end of the quarter there were 276,331 people receiving a main benefit, a decrease of 3,846 (1.4 per cent) in the last 12 months. This puts the proportion of the population (9.6 per cent) at the lowest it’s been in a June quarter since before the Global Financial Crisis,” says Mrs Tolley.
      
      https://beehive.govt.nz/release/more-sole-parents-and-young-jobseekers-moving-benefits
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:32am
  - Southern Raider
    
    National needs to produce an after tax calculator
    
    Put in your current take home after tax pay, select a party and instantly highlight in red how much they watermelons will be fucking with your cash
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:33am
- MCos
  
  So 75% of the people don’t think the economy is issue #1 . . . . .
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:38am
  - Southern Raider
    
    For those seventy five percent they think having politicians who aren’t confessed fraudsters is the number one issue
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:49am
  - Happychappy
    
    MCos : yes if you want to also say 84% don’t care about housing, 89% don’t care about Education, but I guess like most from the Left you weren’t strong at Mathematics.
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:59am
    - MCos
      
      Didn’t say that did I?
      You said economy is #1 issue for 25%
      I said it is therefore not #1 for 75%
      That’s all.
      What could be simpler?
      
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      July 29, 2017 12:11pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And 97% don’t care for Andrew Little
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:25am
- Gabby
  
  They’d have to be pretty crappy not to know the economy is always first chappy.
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:20pm
MCos

Here’s a bit of gossip. You saw it tenth here on Kiwiblog.
Trump fires Priebus at the instigation of Scaramucci, who in turn is being divorced by his wife because she detests the thought of him working for Trump.
Apparently.
The White House sounds like a barrel of laughs.
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July 29, 2017 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  Of course the wife is divorcing him because ‘she detests the thought of him working for Trump’. Imagine if every wife wished to divorce their husband because of the boss he had. Bullshit bloody MSM.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:37am
  - PhilBest
    
    If she is a bleeding-heart SJW, he probably regrets marrying her anyway…
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:45am
    - Gabby
      
      She’s fed up with him on the phone all hours with his new pottymouth boyfriend.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:23pm
  - MCos
    
    Read it for yourself. Hardly MSM. As I said it’s gossip.
    http://pagesix.com/2017/07/28/anthony-scaramuccis-wife-files-for-divorce/amp/
    
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    July 29, 2017 9:49am
    - Inandout
      
      Didn’t take long for the MSM to latch on. Wifey looks like a Barbra Streisand, pre-nose job.
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:54am
      - MCos
        
        I’ll have to take your word for that
        
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        July 29, 2017 12:14pm
      - Gabby
        
        Gotta problem with that downandout?
        
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        July 29, 2017 2:22pm
Jack5

Muslim knife attack in Hamburg amid yells of “Allu Akhbar!”

I read this in the Daily Mail. Any other Mail readers notice it’s no longer printing (frequent and long) global warming stories from Griff, it’s long-standing “expert” on this topic?

What happened Griff? Are they no longer believers? Or are YOU no longer a believer?
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July 29, 2017 9:24am
- Jack5
  
  The link to the report of the Hamburg attack.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739888/One-dead-stabbing-attack-Hamburg-supermarket.html
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:31am
- Gruffydd
  
  Jack 5
  You addressed a question to me.
  I would endeavour to answer your enquiry to the best of my ability .
  However.
  Your question seems to only contain a rather confused account of one of your frequent psychotic episodes.
  When you come back down to earth we could revisit whatever the question you imagined you asked was .
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:35am
Jack5

It’s harmless Griff….

Alleged marijuana grower in Southland had dreams of mass killings and made bombs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95212382/man-who-had-daily-thoughts-about-mass-killings-sentenced
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July 29, 2017 9:35am
- nasska
  
  You’ve got me beat there Jack. The article mentions “three small cannabis plants” & the fact that “Justice Davidson discharged Gow without conviction on a charge of cultivating cannabis”.
  
  In the context of a pipe bomb making nutter who hadn’t received the treatment he desperately needed from mental health services his gardening hobby seems fairly small beer.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:57am
- simpleton1
  
  He had no fire arms licence.
  Great kudos to the wife as it seems she may have initially stopped him having a fire arms licence and may have told the associate he had no licence, leading to concerns to tipping the police off.
  
  Well his sentence seems a little firmer than a person who drives a registered or unregistered, or warranted or unwarranted car whilst unlicenced, that can kill people.
  Driving drunk or speeding is considered a way to kill people, so I see the police telling us.
  
  …… sentenced to two years’ intensive supervision ….. earlier served 13 months in prison while awaiting sentencing…..
  Gow’s sentence of intensive supervision, with numerous conditions, including the need to complete treatment plans, Justice Nicholson said the protection of the community and the rehabilitation of Gow were paramount.
  
  Among the special conditions imposed was judicial monitoring, meaning the court will be provided information on Gow’s progress on a three-monthly basis until the court advises otherwise.
  
  It is probably the wife’s support and resolve that this sentence may be ok.
  Will the judicial system support this wife in times ahead?
  Time will tell.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:16am
Inandout

I like Trump’s ’90 day trial’ type employment rules for his hirings.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/07/28/pres-trump-names-homeland-security-secretary-john-kelly-as-chief-of-staff-ousting-reince-priebus/
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July 29, 2017 9:43am
- PhilBest
  
  Yeah, but don’t miss what Jason Johns said above…
  
  “…Trump always has a plan and is always five or six steps ahead of everyone else. The ‘failure’ of Obamacare repeal was planned. Trump hired a lot of cucks like Sessions so that he could make examples of them, so the whole world could see how he drains the swamp. He’s going to get rid of almost all his cabinet and start again…”
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:47am
  - Gruffydd
    
    WTF?
    
    You guys will need to keep constructing even more convulsed story’s to cover for the moronic stupidity we can all see .
    You are not convincing us .
    Your trumpery* explanations are an attempt to convince your self and keep faith in your God trump.
    
    Yip its a word….
    trumpery
    adjective
    4.
    of little or no value; trifling, worthless; rubbishy; trashy.
    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/trumpery
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:06am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “Your trumpery* explanations are an attempt to convince your self and keep faith in your God trump.”
      
      Trump, flawed as he is, was the only guy platforming on Nationalism. So us Race Realists have to work with what’s on offer.
      
      The sound of lib femcunt squeals of pain when he tweets that cocks in frocks will be kicked off the military gravy train, alone makes it all worthwhile :).
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:43am
    - JasonJohns
      
      You hate it don’t you that Trump just keeps winning? He hasn’t put a foot wrong in the WH. The guy is just a master strategist.
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:51am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        I still watch Youtubes of ImWithHer Gruffyddies at Killary’s election night party venue, collapsed in piles in their pee soaked panties their gayfaces wet with tears.
        
        The stench of urine in that place must have been gagging.
        
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        July 29, 2017 11:04am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    The gist of that may be right, but Sessions is no cuck. He’s a genuine conservative nationalist who does not compromise. He has reduced illegal border crossings and ramped up arrests of illegals with criminal records. He has done more to secure the US’s borders than anyone in decades. I don’t think Trump will fire him, hopefully. Sessions, like Bannon, represents the base that got Trump elected in the first place. It would be a red line for a lot of his supporters.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:06am
    - JasonJohns
      
      No Sessions is a cuck and a cryptocommunist. That’s why Trump hired him – to expose him. Sessions crawled before the NAACP and black America during his confirmation hearings. Trump doesn’t respect that. He decided to make an example of Sessions, to show that he can hunt RINOs. It’s all part of his five dimensional chess strategy.
      
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      July 29, 2017 10:55am
      - Gabby
        
        Cuck soccer.
        
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        July 29, 2017 2:32pm
    - Gabby
      
      Cuck soccer.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:27pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    But yes, I agree that Trump is often way ahead of his enemies, and has a Machiavellian ability to outsmart them. You don’t beat massively funded establishment Republicans in the Primaries, and the Clinton machine in the election, by being the buffoon his detractors think he is.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:12am
    - JasonJohns
      
      In first 6 months of his presidency, Trump has fired his National Security Advisor, Comms Director, Press Secretary & now Chief of Staff
      
      He’s fearless. The rest can’t keep up.
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:34am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    Trump has hired General Kelly as his new WH Chief of Staff. That’s a good move.
    
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/28/president-trump-names-dhs-secretary-john-kelly-white-house-chief-staff/
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:20am
Southern Raider

DPF needs a new blog feature where you can unstick when you have made a mistake.

You uptick Hugh by mistake and have to live with the moral consequences for the rest of the day
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July 29, 2017 9:51am
- PhilBest
  
  St. Hugh deserves a bit of this kind of divine intervention now and then
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:08am
niggly

The Manawatu Gorge closure still appears to be attracting opportunist politicians like moths to a flame – they can’t help themselves!

First we had NZF’s Winston & Ron a couple of weeks ago being “outraged” about the situation for the locals, then last Wednesday National (Simon Bridges) announced the Govt would be putting out a tender soon to confirm costs and plans for 3 alternative roading options (I think one includes a tunnel), then the next day on Thursday the Greens turn up with both co-leaders & Genter to announce their solution is, well umm, Rail, yes of course!?!

So the very next day (Friday) the next politician to arrive was ….. Andrew Little! His solution? Labour have magically settled on their preferred alternative road already – no mucking around and expensive consultancy – it’s a done deal according to Little!

So for a laugh I looked at the Manawatu Standard website and sure enough Andrew Little and Labour are getting a pasting (from presumably the local readers)!

(Now to be fair yes the Govt does get knocked too, because of perceived in-action etc).

Anyway for some Saturday morning laughs, here are a few select readers comments:

“So again we have Labour shooting from the hip. No idea what it will cost. Where the money will come from. No idea what is involved, but they will build a new road!!!!!!! Are people not sick of these lame brained policies that are obviously not thought through!” +34 votes

“Woah! Labour have another (expensive) election promise!

It’s been about 1.5 days since their last press release, I was wondering when the next promise was coming. Of course moments after opening his mouth Andy had to start qualifying his promise, and he’s put no deadline or costing on it. He claims National are dragging their heels (despite the job being out to tender) yet the best he can come up with is “as soon as possible”.

“Andy would gain more votes if he condemned his electioneering partner Metiria for her admitted fraud.” +33 votes

“Yeah, good luck with that. Greens will be out there hugging any trees needing to be cut down. Oh, and they will discover some obscure spiders habitat there.” +27 votes

“Labour has had plenty of other opportunities to fix the problem and ignored them. They must be getting desperate! ” +32 votes

“They can promise whatever they like. Do we honestly believe that the NZTA aren’t already doing all that is practicable here?! This electioneering rubbish is ridiculous. ” +39 votes

“National has already said they are building an alternative route old news again labour party? Nothing new your offering there just looking for votes” +32 votes

“In other news Mr Little will also build 100,000 houses, a bridge across Cook Strait and a wall…” +36 votes

“Just waiting for Andrew to walk on water…” +28 votes

“Heck Labour is going to be busy. So many things to do. Sort out immigration, fix the farming industry, build 100,000 new homes, build a new gorge road, open up Pike Mines, sort the fishing industry out, sort the Hospitals out, throw out their current leader….oh that one hasn’t been announced publicly as yet.” +50 votes

“Will probably be the same time frame these things can only be done as fast as they can be done. Investigating a new route and doing geotechnical testing will take time, just pushing through a road will not work as it could end up the same situation or worse.” +28 votes

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/95203482/labour-promise-alternative-route-to-manawatu-gorge-as-fast-as-possible
Oh dear Andrew Little and Labour! I thought Fairfax commentators were mainly Left leaning, but still most of them don’t seem to be buying Labour’s promises! Well now that Andrew Little has promised the earth, who next, TOP Party? Or are they not interested in the “regions”?
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July 29, 2017 9:54am
- Gerrit
  
  I wonder if the Greens actually knew that the railway line runs through the gorge as well as the road. Rail on one side of the river, rail track the other. Both susceptible to slips.
  
  Muppets
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:16am
- Southern Raider
  
  Bridge has been woeful on this
  
  For last couple of years the gorge has been getting massively more unstable. It’s now been closed since April.
  
  Yet Bridges and his ministry have been sitting on their arses and only make weak warm statements when they feel challenged by the other parties
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    When is the country – including the National-led Government – going to recognise that the fast-talking Bridges is not the miracle man that his party and Leader have tried to portray him as?
    
    Was this the guy who in 2015 was going to convert 10 Northland 1-lane bridges to 2-lanes at a cost of close to $70m? How many have been done (or even started) so far?
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:14pm
- holysheet
  
  How much would it cost to re shape the gorge hillside by making a series of cuttings starting at the top working their way down.
  Something like this
  
  http://www.bundysoft.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=tutorials:l3dt:roads:cuttingexample.jpg
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:19am
  - nasska
    
    $9 million to clear this slip:
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1075&bih=478&q=manawatu+gorge+slip+2011&oq=slip+manawatu&gs_l=img.1.1.0i8i30k1l5.2571.7379.0.12593.14.14.0.0.0.0.318.2852.2-8j2.10.0….0…1.1.64.img..4.10.2845.0..0j35i39k1j0i30k1.jS1Nl_CkhFM#imgrc=JvgxgPixMjvc8M:
    
    A new road might be cheaper than terracing the existing disaster area.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:29am
    - simpleton1
      
      A pic of that train, is impressive., as well as the pics.
      Great comments on stuff
      
      To terrace those hills, really needed to start, about when the Chinese started that paddy rice terracing back eons ago and no RMA.
      Basket by basket, and I do not think people will do that today,,, plastic bag by plastic bag. 😉
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:00am
  - simpleton1
    
    A great cutting.
    Resource Consents would mean that all that dirt has to be carted out of the gorge, as none would be allowed to be pushed into the river, certainly with all the green clip board environmentalists.
    I had wondered if it could be sluiced down as well, and sending it on its way, particularly during flood times.
    
    Next part is that Resource Consents, will be needed for where the ‘spoil’ is to be placed.
    Costs may be high when transport of that is considered, unless it can be mitigated that it may be of greater value where it is being placed.
    I suspect that the rock is of not much value, as it breaks down with water and air so no use for roading else where.
    
    I wonder if people would fill their plastic shopping bags with that spoil, so they do not blow around. win, win 🙂
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:51am
  - niggly
    
    Holysheet – Heh, would have been a great 1970’s “Think Big” type project eg it would be earthworks on a massive scale (for several km’s) and employed hundreds!
    
    Nowadays the Greenie protest movement would no doubt try to stop it by chaining themselves to every native tree there …. mind you I wonder if officials could use H&S legislation to evict them as chaining oneself to a tree that could slip down into the gorge would be a concern … so ahem, done for their own safety of course!
    
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    July 29, 2017 11:03am
  - G152
    
    Better idea for the Manawatu Gorge road would be to move it onto the hills above the current road and a kilometer away from the Gorge
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:56pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Better idea still would be to straighten out a couple of wiggly bits on the Pahiatua Track, then it’s flat all the way from the bottom to Mangatainoka using a widened existing road and a new bridge.
      Check it out on Google Earth.
      
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      July 29, 2017 3:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Simon Bridgestone could have that road built, starting immediately. Merely declare a state of emergency, which would override all statutory requirements.
  
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0033/25.0/DLM150776.html
  
  I mean there is a mountain of information on the subject of the road.
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:07pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    He blusted his way through trying to explain why taking the next 6 months to come up with a preferred option and feasibility cost was quick
    
    FFS in the private world you would lock your specialists in a room for a week and get your answer
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:11pm
  - KevOB
    
    I agree with the use of the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002 for that purpose.
    
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    July 29, 2017 3:41pm
Manolo

Fun times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/us/politics/reince-priebus-white-house-trump.html
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July 29, 2017 10:05am
- virtualmark
  
  Titanic. Deckchairs.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:30am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Globalism is the Titanic, the GFC in 2008 was when it hit the iceberg. The Globalists are doing the re arranging of deck chairs with Central Bank extremist policies – ZIRP, QE, TWIST etc.
    
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    July 29, 2017 10:48am
- virtualmark
  
  Note: Reince Priebus was one of the very few Trump campaign insiders who didn’t sign a non-disclosure agreement.
  
  Fun times indeed.
  
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  July 29, 2017 11:00am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Priebus is out of his depth. Trump hired him knowing he was. It’s all part of plan. Fill the WH swamp, drain it. Masterly.
    
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    July 29, 2017 11:04am
    - virtualmark
      
      Speaking of people out of their depth Jason, has the shit you spout risen over your nostrils yet?
      
      Do you ever forget whether you’re typing as JasonJohns or as Jazz-Hands Mc Feels?
      
      Just how many voices are there calling in your head?
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:07am
    - Gabby
      
      Masturbaterly.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:41pm
- virtualmark
  
  Note too that Priebus & Sessions were the best & closest links between Trump and the Republican party.
  
  With Priebus gone & Sessions on the outer do you think Trump will get more done with a Republican House? If you do you’re dreaming.
  
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  July 29, 2017 11:06am
Manolo

Was dime involved?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4118415/germany-threesome-from-hell/

A threesome that went badly wrong led to a woman falling off a balcony while having an orgasm and another toppling down some stairs.

Both women suffered broken bones after the romp rapidly went south following a “positional quarrel”.
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July 29, 2017 10:13am
- Colville
  
  Manolo.
  I believe our dime is now a ~~chained~~ changed man.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:32am
  - Manolo
    
    A leopard never change…
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:56pm
  - Longknives
    
    Say it’s not so? Surely Dime is in a Hotel room in Vegas as we speak- Partying with Motley Crue and a dozen or so Asian Hookers??
    
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    July 29, 2017 4:37pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      I reckon dime is in Honolulu, Waikiki Beach, where I will be in 1 month. dime likes Hawaii and has disappeared to there before
      
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      July 29, 2017 5:54pm
- VicParking
  
  Wrong Dime could never give a women an orgasim
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:05pm
Shawn Herles

Diversity = vibrancy!

‘Australia’s Halal Chief Says White Women Need To Be Fertilized By Muslim Men’

“Mohamed Elmouelhy, the head of Australia’s Halal Certification Authority, publicly commented on Facebook to state that white Australian women need Muslim men to fertilize them and “keep them surrounded by Muslim babies.”

Elmouelhy’s intolerant views led him to declare that the “white race will be extinct” in 40 years.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/28/australias-halal-chief-says-white-women-need-to-be-fertilized-by-muslim-men/
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July 29, 2017 10:46am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  He is correct about whites going extinct in a short time.
  
  Probably the first time in human history a tribe has committed autogenocide.
  
  The Globohomos even talk about their solution as ‘Replacement Migration”.
  
  You can thank white Progressives for it.
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:51am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/the-strange-myopia-of-douglas-murray.html?m=0
    
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    July 29, 2017 11:17am
    - Shawn Herles
      
      EAD,
      
      Paul Gottfried.
      
      David Horowitz.
      
      Stephen Miller.
      
      All Jews. All pro-Western and anti-mass third world migration.
      
      And this, a pro-Western, anti-globalist defense of Western nationalism by a Jew in a Jewish magazine.
      
      I don’t think it’s Murray who has the problem with myopia.
      
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      July 29, 2017 11:55am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The problem is Shawnee,
        
        likes yourself, these are Gatestone Institute, Breitbart reading counter Jihadis. Their whole purpose is to have you raging at “the left” and prepping you to go fight demmmm ebill Moozies who just happened to wander across the border.
        
        These guys have absolutely hammered the Social Justice Warriors into a pulp, but they’re surprised at how many within their sphere are probing further into the riddles of Cultural Marxism and mass immigration, when they themselves laid the groundwork for it!
        
        Cultural Marxism of course was invented to shackle and cage white ethno-centrism and racial awareness, one of the reasons for this is that white racialism cannot be contained by classic liberalism.
        
        Perhaps you’d like me to enlighten yourself, Horowitz, Miller and Gootwitz as to who invented and what effects the Frankfurt School and Critical Theory have had on the Gentile European mind, the guilt, the awesome power of trigger words, the need to silence Hate Think?
        
        Or do you want me to keep raging against “the left” and “dem Moozies” and looking no more deeply than that?
        
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        July 29, 2017 5:55pm
  - Longknives
    
    They are just lovely aren’t they? An Auckland Islamic leader told me once that “Maybe not in your lifetime but in your children’s lifetimes New Zealand will be under Islamic Law”
    Yet we seem determined to keep flooding our Country with members of this backward Cult.
    Maybe Jazz-Hands is right? And we are committing suicide??
    
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    July 29, 2017 4:31pm
    - Swifty
      
      Wishful thinking on that chaps part I believe.
      
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      July 29, 2017 6:23pm
      - Scorpion
        
        THEY ARE BEING IMPORTED ALONG WITH OTHERS
        AS A DELIBERATE PLAN FOR WHITE GENOCIDE
        IN NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA
        
        WHITE GENOCIDE IS REAL
        WHITE GENOCIDE IS PLANNED
        
        ONE OF THE PROMOTERS OF IT IN
        NEW ZEALAND IS
        
        KIWI BOG
        
        THE ANTI CHRISTIAN
        ANTI WHITE
        ANTI KIWI
        
        BLOG OF THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST OF NZ
        
        THE PROPAGANDA ARM
        OF THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY OF NZ
        NOW RUN BY THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
        
        YOU USED TO CALL IT NATIONAL
        
        https://redice.tv/news/census-2016-milestone-passed-as-australia-becomes-more-asian-less-european
        
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        July 30, 2017 12:55am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “The certification chief, who immigrated to Australia in 1975 and became a citizen in 1981,”
  
  Globohomo Big Lie:
  
  Don’t worry they will integrate and adopt our “values”, stop being a bigot and enjoy the new food!
  
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  July 29, 2017 10:55am
- holysheet
  
  And that’s the latest excuse for all the ragheads to continue raping the white girls.
  “I was told to do it in the big house by the mad mullah”
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:51pm
Happychappy

Willie Jackson tells the Nation and Lisa Owen the end is near for the Maori Party and that Labour will win all seven seats, but when asked to back it up with the figure of their internal Polls could not. He also mentioned that they are in negotiations with the Greens to do a deal in these seat to give them a better chance. Willie also says he is confident that Labour will be around 33%of the vote at the September 23rd 2017 Election that will allow him to be a member of Parliament again.
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July 29, 2017 10:55am
- niggly
  
  With such incredible optimism like that, I wonder if Labour have considered installing Willie Jackson as their next new leader? 😉
  
  Although the union may need to muscle Willie in over protests from the Wimmins and Rainbow factions (and Gracinda)! But they did that with Andy, so why not, after all what could possibly go wrong this time …. 🙂
  
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  July 29, 2017 11:11am
  - Gabby
    
    I’m sure Matt McArsehole’s considered it.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:44pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Poor Willie is in dreamland.
  
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  July 29, 2017 11:46am
  - RalphT
    
    Happy to see Willie’s dream come to fruition if it means the Greens get 4.9%; I think 38% is the maximum the two will get. Even that is being generous.
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:58pm
- G152
  
  And who said that Maori comedians died out with Billy T James.
  We have Willie son of Sid
  
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  July 29, 2017 1:00pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nephew of Sid.
    Uncle Sid was the union rep. Willie’s dad was a union wharfie.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:25pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep. And Sid is the grandson of All Black Everard Jackson, and great-grandson of Fred Jackson who was banished from the 1908 Anglo-Welsh touring rugby team out here for the suspected offense of…playing rugby league.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:56pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Sid the union rep Jackson got banned from Waikato uni way, way back for being absolutely useless at his job.
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:58pm
Sublime

See on the news last night there was a bit on the whole ‘non-meat meat’ deal.

If people want to eat Pyrex dish ‘meat’ then they are welcome to … I reckon we are not far off legislation and/or regulation about the labelling of this synthetic stuff. This goes beyond any moral discussion, it’s a commerce and trade issue. If it’s entirely synthetic and similar to the real thing in ‘name’ only, well, things are about to change.

More predictions:
– As people more people climb on the vegan bandwagon in the West, the East will get richer and demand high-quality meat and protein. It will be from New Zealand.
– Kiwi farmers will continue to get even better at raising healthy, grass-fed animals as the spotlight of scrutiny continues to shine on them.
– The NZ public will grow more aware of the effort, dollars and sweat its farmers put into minimising their environmental impact. As a result the rural/town divide will narrow, gradually.
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July 29, 2017 11:28am
- nasska
  
  ….”the effort, dollars and sweat its farmers put into “….
  
  We’ve been propping up the country for nigh on 150 years to date. We’ll probably have to wait a tad longer for our due accolades. 🙂
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:22pm
  - Sublime
    
    The sooner the better nasska!
    
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    July 29, 2017 12:59pm
- waikatogirl
  
  The Minister of Primary Industries, Nathan Guy when asked if he had tried plastic meat, said NZ grows the best beef in the world to enjoy so why would he try synthetic beef. ?
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:30pm
  - Sublime
    
    Saw that too! Well played, Minister.
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:00pm
- Gabby
  
  Maybe they’ll let farmers have all their lovely subsidies back.
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:46pm
Fletch

So, the head of the Halal Certification Authority in Australia who is Muslim, writes that “Australian women need to be “fertilized” by Muslim men and kept “surrounded by Muslim babies” because in “another 40 years,” their bigoted white men will be extinct.”

Lovely.

THE head of the Halal Certification Authority says Australian women need Muslim men to fertilise them to “keep them surrounded by Muslim babies”, declaring that the “white race will be extinct” in 40 years.

Mohamed Elmouelhy made the comments on Facebook in response to a study by researchers from the Hebrew University, published in the journal Human Reproduction Update, which found declining fertility rates among men in North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand.

“According to the Hebrew University, Australian men [sic] sperm count has declined by 52 per cent over the last 40 years so your men are a dying breed, Australian women need us to fertilise them and keep them surrounded by Muslim babies while beer swilling, cigarette smoking, drug injecting can only dream of what Muslim men are capable of,” Mr Elmouelhy wrote in a Facebook comment, which was first reported by The Daily Mail and has since been deleted.

“If the country is left to the bigots the white race will be extinct in another 40 years. Muslims have a duty to make your women happy because you are declining, better go chose [sic] a plot for yourself at your local cemetery. If you can’t afford it, commit suicide it is a cheaper alternative for bigots.”

He attached a longer version of the original Facebook post, which continued the theme. “It will [sic] mandatory for all women to wear hijab or burka if they prefer, bikinis will be displayed in Museums but not on nubile bodies anymore,” he wrote.

“When that happens everything in Australia will be Halal certified. Bigots and pigs will be declared Haram and must not be approached or touched, they can live together in reserves. There will be a Halal butcher on every corner, all other butchers will be offered to convert to Halal or given [sic] a passage back to where their ancestors came from.

“Mr Dutton will be exiled on Manus Island never to set foot in Australia again. Mosques will be everywhere, and the religious police will make sure all businesses are closed at the time of prayers. The call to prayer will be announced from loud speakers at dawn everyday to make sure the lazy good for nothing dole bludgers can start looking for jobs early.

“Jackie [sic] Lambie will be appointed keeper of the Sharia law and Poorleen (the r is silent) will be appointed emigration Minister to stop all the impotent whites [sic] male bigots from coming to our country girthed by sea!”

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/australian-women-need-us-to-fertilise-them-halal-chief-slams-white-men-in-facebook-rant/news-story/ec80593236bd78ebdaeedfce2b1d65b6

And yet we pander to these people and think there is nothing to fear from immigration even while they are telling us what they really feel.
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July 29, 2017 12:07pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Muslims have a duty to make your women happy “…..
  
  The useless bastards can’t even satisfy their own women with their crap attitudes & micro penises.
  
  They have to cut the poor women’s clits off in case they get to find out what a good root feels like.
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:18pm
  - stigie
    
    Im sure Stiffyboy would fully agree Nasska ole chap !~
    
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    July 29, 2017 1:47pm
- Gabby
  
  Sperm count’s only declined by 50% because they test women too, just to be inclusive.
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:48pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Gabby, I had to force myself to give you an uptick for that wit – presuming that you know what you are talking about
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:05pm
- realityczech
  
  “According to the Hebrew University”
  
  Dam those Jewish Muslims…
  
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  July 29, 2017 3:29pm
Fletch

Electric Grid Expert Lays Out Why It’s Basically Impossible Use 100% Green Energy

Powering the grid with 100 percent green energy may sound like a nice idea, but it would actually be extremely difficult to do, a electric grid expert told Greentech Media in an interview Wednesday.

“Let’s say we have a 100% [renewables] system, hypothetically,” Christopher Clack, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) mathematician, said in the interview.

“Now you have got think about working out forecasting of load and of the weather, because that’s your fuel source now, seasons or years ahead of time with really good accuracy so that you know how much energy to store, how much to shed, how much to transmit, how much to consume, and you need to do that all the time, predicting far enough ahead that you will never run out of power, because you have got nothing there as backup,” Clack said.

Clack made waves with a recent study that challenged a widely-cited 2015 study claiming the U.S. could run on 100 percent green energy. Clack and 20 colleagues argued the 2015 research “used invalid modeling tools, contained modeling errors, and made implausible and inadequately supported assumptions.”

To function, power grids require demand to exactly match supply, which is an enormous problem for variable wind and solar power.

Wind and solar can also burn out the grid if they produce too much, or not enough, electricity, leading to brownouts or blackouts. Such damage has already occurred in power grids relying too much on solar and wind power — for example, in California and Germany.

When the islands of Tasmania and El Hierro tried to power their economies with 100 percent green energy, both islands quickly switched back to diesel generators after suffering from reliability problems and soaring costs. The analysis suggests it would have taken 84 years for El Hierro’s wind and hydropower systems to simply pay back their capital costs.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/28/electric-grid-expert-lays-out-why-its-basically-impossible-use-100-green-energy/
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July 29, 2017 12:29pm
- VicParking
  
  In simple terms.
  The sun don’t always shine
  The wind don’t always blow
  The waves don’t always run
  The Green’s never think it through.
  
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  July 29, 2017 12:35pm
  - RalphT
    
    Vic, for the sake of brevity the full stop in your last line should have come after the word “think”.
    
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    July 29, 2017 1:04pm
    - VicParking
      
      Sorry Ralph, I had it like that but changed it a the last moment.
      
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      July 29, 2017 8:10pm
- Jack5
  
  But the Greens dream of massive, cheap batteries for every house that will store enough energy to get the house folk through storms and grey days.
  
  Even if possible and economically feasible, think of the battery disposal problems!
  
  Think,too, of the bullshit on the nightly TV weather forecasts.
  
  “Make sure your batteries are charged by tomorrow night.”
  
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  July 29, 2017 1:10pm
  - holysheet
    
    Thinking it a step further, if every one eventually uses battery power, where does the power come from to charge these batteries?
    Probably the same place the greens think money come from.
    
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    July 29, 2017 1:44pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Silly boy jack 5
    Solar is not on when the sun is shinning of when it is cloudy.
    Last week at dawn in the pouring rain my array was still pumping out 20% of name plate capacity.
    After five days of drizzle and rain it took half a day of full sun to get me back up to float charge. I may be slightly more aware of my power usage. I don’t leave electronics on standby and watch for phantom drain . It is not rocket science.
    
    You size your battery to suit your load.
    My bank will last five days with no power going in at all …I have a stand by generator . I have only started it to run the welder or for the once a month maintenance run.
    It cost less to buy the hardware than run cable up the drive.
    
    Recycling
    Step away from the lap top.
    Its got battery’s so has your car your cell phone ….
    And.. we somehow manage to recycle them.
    
    Massive? My entire set up fits into the smallest tin shed I could buy. My solar Array takes up about a tenth of the usable space on the roof.
    
    Buy back for solar is about 10 years in NZ unsubsidized.
    From then it free power for another twenty plus years.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:10pm
    - realityczech
      
      “unsubsidized”
      
      Gruffydd now if only that could scale that up we would be sorted.
      
      I am all for alternative energy if it is sustainable environmentally and viable economically.
      
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      July 29, 2017 3:40pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The technology is not here yet. Cheap batteries will be made from recycled not so cheap batteries – so batteries will ALWAYS be recycled. If we run short then technology will make cheap batteries from Oil and Coal, which we have a shitload of.
    Just shush for now, there is money to be made
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:13pm
  - VicParking
    
    A water wheel in the toilet so you can generate electricity when you piss. A windmill attached to your nose, greens are all blow hards.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:13pm
- realityczech
  
  The limitations with our current green-energy production are due to physics.
  
  Not a conspiracy between Trump/Russia/Oil Companies/Illuminati Shape Shifters.
  
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  July 29, 2017 3:35pm
Jack5

The tourism industry is throwing its weight behind low-wage imported labour.

In the Christchurch Press today, Chris Roberts, chief executive of Tourism Industry Aotearoa (renamed from Tourism Industry NZ) says WINZ has sent to tourism firms thieves and mentally ill people.

What is Tourism Aotearoa doing to train some of the 90,000 unemployed young Kiwis? Is it telling the kids, their parents, their families, their friends, that they are too dishonest, too mentally disabled to staff NZ’s tourist industry? Why is this industry relying on WINZ for its lower-skilled staff? There seem to be a number of tertiary courses training tourism, managers, marketers and so on. Why isn’t the industry organising training of young New Zealanders in lower-skill jobs, UNLESS the industry is more interested in low-wage foreigners?

Coming from a man whose organisation had the market nous to change the organisation’s name from something in English, the world lingua franca, to something in a remote language that few can pronounce properly, Roberts’ remarks seem insulting. Perhaps Tourism Industry should ramp up training schemes instead of focusing on keeping NZ wages low.

The article includes comments from the Restaurant Association that it has placed 280 beneficaries in work and almost three-quarters are still employed after three months. Good on the restaurant owners.

The Press report includes:

Both the Restaurant Association and Hospitality New Zealand said they were happy with the Government’s decision to reduce the salary threshold for mid-skilled migrant workers to $41,538 down from almost $49,000.

Any migrant workers earning below the threshold will be classed as lower-skilled, and, after three years working here, will have to leave the country after three years.

Groups like the Restaurant Association and Hospitality New Zealand just might save National in a few weeks from getting a solid fuck-you rejection from those who sympathise with unemployed young people, while our petrol pumps, pizza parlours and other low-wage, unskilled jobs are too often filled by foreign “students”.

The Chambers of Comics, too many employers, and now Tourism Aotearoa aren’t helping National’s re-election chances.
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- Jack5
  
  Further back in the Press is a statement that Canterbury’s mayors were “instrumental” in having the Government’s immigration “reforms” watered down.
  
  Canterbury’s mediocre mayors obviously care more about cheap foreign labour than the kids of their communities who are shut out of employment for cheaper foreigners.
  
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  July 29, 2017 1:22pm
- Happychappy
  
  One question Jack have you ever worked in Tourism and in the South Island.
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    What relevance is your question, Happy Chappy?
    
    Does it warrant a response on the lines of: to judge a boiled egg, you don’t have to be a hen?
    
    But I guess the thousands of young foreign imports hadn’t worked in the South Island, and probably many or most hadn’t worked in tourism, either.
    
    You have to start somewhere, which is why Kiwi kids need a break.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:16pm
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      Obviously you would not be prepared to listen any way but as I had several years working in the hospitality industry in tourist locations as a Manager my input would not be up to your standard as you appear to know it all.
      
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      July 29, 2017 2:47pm
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        But chappy, as managers go were you a bit crappy?
        
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        July 29, 2017 3:12pm
Keeping Stock

Wow. Former Green Party member, candidate in 2014 and co-leadership candidate in 2015 Vernon Tava has come out swinging. And his target is Metiria Turei; check this out (emphasis is mine):

Lawmakers cannot credibly advocate breaking the law. Turei has been in Parliament since 2002 and seeks the position of Minister of Social Development, but has been unable to answer questions about how she could pursue prosecutions against those who would defraud even the more generous entitlements she advocates.

Turei’s defenders wax lyrical about the “privilege” of her critics. Ironically, she is indulging in another, more insidious, form of privilege in inciting fraud and attempting to argue some kind of moral justification. Others who follow her example will not be able to evade the consequences that someone on her considerable taxpayer-funded income is able to.

This is deeply irresponsible. Benefit fraud is not civil disobedience, nor is it a noble protest against a supposedly unjust system. It is cheating.

The tension between being a protesters’ collective or a parliamentary party has always been an issue for the Greens, but Turei has gone a lot further than merely admitting legal wrong-doing – she has condoned it.

Metiria Turei may have secured a hard-left segment of the Green base and appealed to demographics who tend not to turn out on election day, but it will be at the cost of a far larger group of voters disappointed to discover the party that earlier this year claimed that “honest politics is what we stand for” is not 100 percent pure after all.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/07/vernon-tava-metiria-turei-s-attitude-proves-the-greens-aren-t-100-percent-pure.html#.WXviSG6qA2c.twitter

Vernon Tava is an articulate and intelligent commentator. He quit the Greens earlier this year, saying the party had lost its way and been taken over by socialists. And guess what; he’s dead right on both counts.

His piece on the Newshub website is well worth a read in its entirety, as is this Politik piece about the reasons behind him quitting the Greens.

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1038/Top-Green-resigns-and-says-party-has-become-socialist-Vernon-Tava-Greens.htm
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July 29, 2017 1:51pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Greens would be in a different space now if Mu Tu was gone and Vernon was leader
  
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  July 29, 2017 2:14pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I agree wholeheartedly.
    
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    July 29, 2017 2:19pm
    - Swifty
      
      It’s people like Tava that could make the Greens a serious player.
      
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      July 29, 2017 6:07pm
- Longknives
  
  Very well written- You sure that guy was a Green??
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:25pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yep; he stood for the co-leadership in 2015 along with Hague, Hughes and Shaw.
    
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    July 29, 2017 5:25pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  How is this for a quote from that piece
  
  ” also demonstrates the grave risk of using Wellington Twitter as a barometer of public opinion. New Zealand has a strongly egalitarian culture, but it is also one that prizes integrity and has little patience for murky moral relativism”
  
  ?
  
  All we need now is someone find the proof that the new hubby was one of the flat mates (seems very likely due to other reports) and that grandma had the baby. Also appears likely.
  
  That shitstorm will sink the greens.
  
  Bring back the focus on Labours dodgy donation for the interns and wham bam, Bills our man ??
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:27pm
  - VicParking
    
    You can’t have a better Wam Bam Man than Bill
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:15pm
- publicwatchdog
  
  So ex-Green, now ‘business broker’ Vernon Tava, who’s now working for the National Party, politically attacks Metiria Turei?
  
  How convenient. (For National).
  
  No real surprises there…..
  
  http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1038/Top-Green-resigns-and-says-party-has-become-socialist-Vernon-Tava-Greens.htm
  
  “A former top Green official .and leadership contender in 2015 has resigned from the party because he believes it has lost its way and he is now working with National.
  
  Though he has not joined National, Vernon Tava is part of the campaign team for Erica Stamford – an old friend — who is standing for National in East Coast Bays.
  …..”
  
  http://www.divest.co.nz/agent/vernon-tava-37053
  
  “Vernon Tava
  Business Sales & Transition Specialist
  Licensed under the REAA 2008”
  
  Penny Bright
  
  ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption’ campaigner.
  
  2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.
  (Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.)
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So what are you complaining about mad woman? Occasionally a Green sees the light.
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:23pm
  - niggly
    
    Gee Penny, so can’t people like Tava help out an old personal friend (who happens to support a different party)? If not, that seems to make you a bigot then.
    
    Oh and as for the divest link you posted, just had a look, he seems to be quite a smart and successful person – too bad for the Greens they didn’t make use of such a talented person!
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:36pm
    - sooty
      
      Is he running the election campaign against you is he? I would not worry if he is penny as you will not get anymore votes this time around. You have been tits useless, haven’t you!
      
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      July 29, 2017 8:59pm
Manolo

On the footsteps of the paedophile Prophet:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/five-year-old-girl-married-to-adult-male-in-illegal-pakistan-wedding/ar-AAoXkT9?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

An illegal marriage in Pakistan has seen a five-year-old girl reportedly forced to wed a 22-year-old man.

Police were unable to arrive in time to stop the ceremony that occurred in the village of Raman Shar on the outskirts of Dakhan Town in central Pakistan, according to local news agency Dawn.
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July 29, 2017 2:16pm
- Gabby
  
  No doubt they beat a divorce out of him.
  
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  July 29, 2017 3:15pm
Kabull

[Disclaimer – I am not trying to displace Hugh!] So we have a home ownership crisis in Auckland? And its all the Government’s fault?
If that’s the case, perhaps our Government is also to be blamed for the same problem in Sydney!

http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/home-ownership-is-in-sharp-decline-across-most-of-sydney-20170726-gxjls8.html

Seen this before?
“Whether or not you can purchase a home within 20 kilometres of our big city centres will increasingly depend on the wealth of your parents rather than on anything you can do for yourself,” he said. “The reason for that is that is that house prices have risen so quickly.”

The comments below the article make fascinating reading.
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July 29, 2017 3:41pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Auckland, Sydney, London, San Francisco. It’s all the fault of that bounder and cad John Keys.
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:06pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Just as well Barry Soper is saying today that the latest poll isn’t good news for Greens, Labour or Winston since most people care about the economy the most and that’s where National is putting their focus
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:20pm
Keeping Stock

Nice to see that Comrade Tiso is endorsing criminal behaviour if it’s against the political party he despises…

https://twitter.com/gtiso/status/891111899797913600
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July 29, 2017 4:25pm
- Southern Raider
  
  What a cock
  
  I bet he’s being subsidised by the over peforming economy that National has built up
  
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  July 29, 2017 4:31pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Seems to condone racism as well.
  
  We all believe that telling a white man to fuck off back to England because his name is English aye ?
  
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  July 29, 2017 5:38pm
  - Longknives
    
    “We all believe that telling a white man to fuck off back to England..”
    
    I read similar comments from the Vile Fraudster Turei a couple of years ago on Scoop- She was banging on about ‘Decolonising Aotearoa’ and how Pakeha will either flee the Country or end up barricaded behind Barbed-Wire fences etc
    One wonders who she thinks has been paying the Tax she has been literally hoovering up for all these years?
    
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    July 29, 2017 5:49pm
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      What does Turei think will happen to the European part of her, of her daughter who is mostly European?
      
      If Turei really said this then it is sick Nazi stuff.
      
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      July 29, 2017 6:04pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        100% Moari – because they feel Moari
        
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        July 29, 2017 6:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        *or her daughter
        
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        July 29, 2017 6:36pm
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    This, of course, is the bloke whose love of free speech is so great he leads calls for advertisers to ban advertising on the programmes of hosts he doesn’t like.
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:18pm
UpandComer

Islam, Yes! Diversity, Yes! Immigration, Yes!

Are you Halal?

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/australian-women-need-us-to-fertilise-them-halal-chief-slams-white-men-in-facebook-rant/news-story/ec80593236bd78ebdaeedfce2b1d65b6
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July 29, 2017 4:44pm
- nasska
  
  Theologians have recently discovered what was believed to be the first completed edition of the Quran.
  
  Turns out although that it was a giant colouring book with pictures of naked nine year old girls.
  
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  July 29, 2017 6:03pm
  - Harriet
    
    With the election of Macron in France muslims will be pleased having a First Pedophile.
    
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    July 29, 2017 6:17pm
  - VicParking
    
    Finger painting
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:18pm
starboard

Another brave warrior no doubt…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/95239120/auckland-man-jailed-for-hitting-threemonthold-baby-fracturing-her-ribs
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July 29, 2017 5:12pm
Jack5

Things are hotting up between North Korea, Japan, South Korea, and the United States.

A new missile launch shows Chicago and Los Angeles are within range of North Korea’s missiles, says the Japan Times.

It reports Japan’s Foreign Minister, Fumio Kishida, who is temporarily acting as Defence Minister, said today that the maximum range of the latest missile tested was believed to exceed 5,500 km.

[As a matter of interest Auckland is 9,810 km from North Korea’s capital, Pyongyang.]

North Korea is now expected to be able to North Korea will be able to field a reliable nuclear-capable inter-continent missile by next year, earlier than previously thought.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/29/national/north-korean-missile-lands-japans-exclusive-economic-zone-45-minute-flight/#.WXwbsoiGOUk

And the BBC’s report:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40760583
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July 29, 2017 5:30pm
- Fletch
  
  Thanks, Bill.
  
  North Korea’s boast that it just detonated its first hydrogen bomb met instant doubts from the White House and arms experts. If they’re right, Pyongyang “only” has plain-old atomic bombs. What a . . . relief?
  
  But, as one Chinese expert told The Wall Street Journal, the H-bomb claim still shows that tyrant Kim Jong-un is “marching in that direction.”
  
  For all this, thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. North Korea couldn’t have done it without their gullibility.
  
  Back in 1994, President Clinton prepared to confront North Korea over CIA reports it had built nuclear warheads and its subsequent threats to engulf Japan and South Korea in “a sea of fire.”
  
  Enter self-appointed peacemaker Carter: The ex-prez scurried off to Pyongyang and negotiated a sellout deal that gave North Korea two new reactors and $5 billion in aid in return for a promise to quit seeking nukes.
  
  Clinton embraced this appeasement as achieving “an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula” — with compliance verified by international inspectors. Carter wound up winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his dubious efforts.
  
  But in 2002, the North Koreans ’fessed up: They’d begun violating the accord on Day One. Four years later, Pyongyang detonated its first nuke.
  
  http://nypost.com/2016/01/06/you-can-thank-jimmy-carter-and-bill-clinton-for-north-koreas-nukes/
  
  And yes, Obama did exactly the same with Iran.
  
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  July 29, 2017 6:26pm
Chuck Bird

“Is there anyone more arrogant than Winston?”

Yes Kimbo. He is also much more cowardly.
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July 29, 2017 6:09pm
publicwatchdog

PAKISTAN SUPREME COURT ‘SACKS’ PAKISTAN PRIME MINISTER FOR CORRUPTION!

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/219619-Panama-leaks-Nawaz-Sharif-survives-as-SC-refers-graft-case-to-NAB

Pakistan plunges into uncertainty as PM Nawaz Sharif ousted

ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court on Friday disqualified Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif from public office over long-running corruption allegations, a decision that ousted him from the premiership for the third time.

The ruling saw political uncertainty take hold in Pakistan once again, with Cabinet dissolved and the country left without a sitting prime minister.

As the verdict was announced in Islamabad, hundreds of opposition supporters in the capital and in northwestern Peshawar rushed into the street handing out sweets, beating drums, and chanting “Go Nawaz Go” in celebration.

But in Lahore, capital of Sharif´s power base of Punjab province, sporadic protests broke out, with his supporters burning tyres, blocking streets and chanting “We don´t accept this decision”.

General elections are scheduled for next year, but Sharif now falls short of becoming the first premier to complete a full five-year term.

The allegations against the prime minister spiralled from the Panama Papers leak last year, which sparked a media frenzy over the lavish lifestyles and luxury London property portfolio of the Sharif dynasty.

Those claims prompted an investigation which said there was a “significant disparity” between the family´s income and lifestyle, and unearthed fresh claims over Sharif´s links to companies based in the United Arab Emirates.
….”

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption’ campaigner.

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

(Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM. )
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July 29, 2017 6:28pm
- starboard
  
  **Nutbar alert**
  
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  July 29, 2017 6:30pm
- nasska
  
  I knew she’d eventually figure out those velcro straight jacket fasteners. 🙂
  
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  July 29, 2017 6:37pm
Steve (North Shore)

The deranged fuckwit is here again….

See?
I Spray and Walk Away
Rubbish stays
I walk away.

The loopy Penny ALWAYS debates, but somehow her responses are not posted.
Prob a Kiwiblog glitch thing
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July 29, 2017 6:34pm
- sooty
  
  Is Penny, Aucklands most corupt wannabe politician?
  
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  July 29, 2017 8:52pm
Gruffydd

Tesla model 3 was released for delivery today in the USA.
Only one option as yet available.
Long range 2wd version .
0 to 100 in 5.1 seconds .
500km range .
lines up well against a bwm 340i.
A rough $88,000 on road depending on options.

Instant torque a rev heads wet dream.
We will not see them until late 2018.

https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-model-3-production-specs-revealed/
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July 29, 2017 6:53pm
- MCos
  
  I see the 350km range model costs less than fifty grand.
  How much does a tank of electricity cost?
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:22pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Don’t know mate haven’t paid a power bill in years.
    Your bill will have kWh electricity rates.
    
    standard pack has a capacity between 50 and 55 kWh and the “Long Range Battery” has about 70 to 75 kWh of energy capacity.
    
    You also get access to the super charger network
    Tesla price that at retail rates for the 3.
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  DILLIGAFF
  
  Do
  I
  Look
  Like
  I
  Give
  A
  Flying
  Fuck?
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:26pm
  - Gabby
    
    Two Licks Poo, crustygruts.
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:29pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    No captain you still look like
    Captain Mainwaring
    Don’t panic.
    We wouldn’t want you to have another turn .
    You know what Edith done last time…
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:42pm
Fletch

Random question: why is a can of compressed air so damn expensive? $30? For just a can of air?

http://www.warehousestationery.co.nz/product/B22425.html#q=air&start=1

A can of CRC will cost you around $7.50. And I’m sure it must be harder to produce than air. So why is the air so expensive?
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July 29, 2017 7:12pm
- MCos
  
  If the air comes from China most of the cost probably goes into cleaning the stuff
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:24pm
  - VicParking
    
    They use a can of NZ water to produce it, put it back in the can and export it back to us.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:22pm
- Gabby
  
  Clean your keyboard with CRC. You’ll save heeps.
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

So on the news tonight some 55 year old guy in Hamilton finds cars being broken into late at night and gets stabbed to death for his trouble.
The perpetrators were caught.
Ages: 15, 13 and 12.
Holy fuck.
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July 29, 2017 7:30pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Related to my previous post, it’s being reported that NZ has the highest rate of homelessness in the OECD.
  It’s also well known that we have the most generous welfare in the OECD.
  Could the two be related?
  
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  July 29, 2017 7:31pm
  - stigie
    
    “the most generous welfare in the OECD”.
    
    Where people rip off the taxpayer weekly !~
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:42pm
  - nasska
    
    You might be onto something there Captain.
    
    From what I’ve been hearing lately the welfare ripoffs prefer living in castles as opposed to homes.
    
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    July 29, 2017 7:59pm
  - VicParking
    
    They will need very wet bus tickets to deal with these three
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:24pm
  - Gabby
    
    How would that work? I think you’re entering the realms of fantasy there Jobs.
    
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    July 29, 2017 8:42pm
Chuck Bird

One good thing John Key did was build bike tracks. I put my mountain bike in the back of my v8 wagon and drove 130 each way to join others riding some good mountain bike tracks south of Tokoroa.

It was bloody cold when I left home. I hope we did our bit for global warming. The Greens doomsday predictions are as bad as the social justice policies.
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July 29, 2017 8:17pm
waikatogirl

Going to be -4 in Hamilton overnight. Not a cloud in the sky. Colder than Queenstown on -3.
How does it get colder here in the north than deep in the Southern Alps?
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July 29, 2017 8:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s damper.
  
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  July 29, 2017 9:35pm
nasska

North Korea have launched a missile that flew for forty five minutes.

Malaysia are said to be jealous as fuck.
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July 29, 2017 8:59pm
holysheet

Failed my biology test today: They asked, “What is commonly found in cells?” Apparently “black people” wasn’t the correct answer.
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July 29, 2017 9:34pm
Manolo

Who was boss?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4741438/Staff-Barack-Obama-reveals-forced-dating-advice.html
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