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General Debate 17 July 2017

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duggledog

Winston Peters:

‘Revealed his upcoming penal policy would be to not build any new prisons and instead make offenders do “hard labour” six days a week.’

Coincidentally last night on 60 Minutes they ran a story on Bunny Walters nephew Kingi, former felon who now rides Harley Davidsons for an income lol.

Quote ‘prison was like a holiday camp, three squares a day, warm’

Plus WP wants binding referendum on finally ditching the Maori seats and reducing MPs to 100. Plus he wants to repeal the anti smacking law, opposed by the vast majority of NZers

Don’t know how he’ll go about any of the above but boy oh boy, could be a storm coming National. I hope Bulwark Bill does it for you! Sweet economy, shame about the social wreckage.
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July 17, 2017 8:01am
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. Like “cutting immigration to the bone”, he’ll trade it away like a Monopoly property card when the time comes to take the baubles of office…as he did in 1996 and 2005. “Fool me once – shame on you. Fool me twice – shame on me” So what is it when you let him do it a third time?!
  
  “Hard labour in prisons”? Pfft. As I’ve said before, one of the few redeeming values Winston Peters provides is as a free political Rorschach Test for any of his listeners, be they supporters or critics.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Anyone interested in the origin of one of Kimbo’s popular words, “meh,” which apparently is a signal of indifference, might find this article interesting:
    
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/09/06/meh_etymology_tracing_the_yiddish_word_from_leo_rosten_to_auden_to_the_simpsons.html
    
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    July 17, 2017 8:45am
    - Kimbo
      
      Damn, you’ve busted my shtick! 😉
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:04am
    - Gabby
      
      meh, not really.
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:51pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Interesting Jack5,
      
      perhaps Kimbo is Yiddish?
      
      Who could possibly have guessed that 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2017 7:54pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    ‘Meh’ and ‘pfft’ are just what Kimbo says when he feels like arguing but doesn’t have any genuine arguments to offer.
    
    National has failed to act on a number of issues where the public has expressed a strong reference, just because they felt confident Labour wouldn’t either. If they make it past this election they are going to have to review that strategy.
    
    Tougher sentences, making prisons less comfortable, reducing the size of Parliament, changing the anti-smacking law, and getting rid of the Maori seats should all be on the table. They don’t cost anything and will be a vulnerability for National until addressed.
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:34am
    - Kimbo
      
      ‘Meh’ and ‘pfft’ are just what Kimbo says when he feels like arguing but doesn’t have any genuine arguments to offer.
      
      No, not so, Nigel – I gave a cogent and compelling point, I thought – Peters’ 2x record of failing to deliver on his pre-election promises because his coalition partner didn’t agree.
      
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      July 17, 2017 9:53am
    - Kimbo
      
      National has failed to act on a number of issues where the public has expressed a strong reference, just because they felt confident Labour wouldn’t either. If they make it past this election they are going to have to review that strategy.
      
      Yeah, because it was such a failure in 2008, 2011, and 2014. So your strategy is…change a winning strategy? Remind me again, Mr Former ACT candidate, how ACT is doing?
      
      …changing the anti-smacking law, and getting rid of the Maori seats should all be on the table. They don’t cost anything…
      
      Yes, but then ACT party shills (more Yiddish, Jack! 😉 ) are notorious for knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
      
      …and will be a vulnerability for National until addressed
      
      But always amusing that people who have collectively helped drag their own party down to the depths of % support are so good at giving advice to National, who are on track to win a 4th term, and remain the natural party of government because they appeal to the centre, not the margins or single-issue voters, i.e., crack pots.
      
      Hope you can find some “genuine arguments”/facts in that lot, Nigel, but given your capacity for wilfulness and rationalisation, I’m not holding my breath…
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:12am
    - Scott
      
      Can I add the one issue that voters feel strongly about all over the world and that governments all over the world ignore. That issue is “immigration”.
      
      When we look at Europe we can see where bad immigration can take us.
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:44am
    - Kimbo
      
      Fair enough, Scott. Makes a variation on Whale Oil’s insistence that our co-sponsoring of UNSC 2334 is going to be the issue that decides the election.
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:54am
      - GazzaW
        
        …….even beltway tragics have consigned that ‘issue’ into the political trash bin.
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:18pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      Kimbo is a liberal multicultural globalist who despises any Westerner who wants to preserve their national and cultural identity and stop mass immigration, especially Islamic immigration. His response to every single proposal on KB to stop or limit Islamic immigration is to claim it can’t and shouldn’t be done, and that the poor Muslims are the victims of irrational hatred like the Irish once were. In his fantasy world time, and the magic powers of liberal tolerance, will transform Muslims into valuable, well integrated citizens. Profoundly ignorant does even begin to describe this view, and his attempt to compare the Irish and their culture with Arab/Islamic culture is batshit crazy.
      
      In previous NZ First coalitions mass immigration was not a major issue for much of the public. It is this election, as it is throughout the Western world. When even the msm is saying we need a debate and that having a debate is not racist, and when even Labour and the Green parties are proposing cuts to immigration, it is obvious that there is a groundswell of support for change. This gives Winston a mandate that he simply did not have before, certainly not to the same degree. And Winston is getting to that time in his life when leaving a legacy will be on his mind. Given that opposition to mass immigration, multiculturalism, and Maori separatism have all been his central message from the start, and given the public support for change to our current immigration levels, there is every reason to believe that he will push for change, and push hard, in any coalition discussions.
      
      Make no mistake, Kimbo’s dismissal of WP and his supporters on KB has nothing to do with WP’s supposed record, and everything to do with his desperate clinging to the crumbling liberal globalist order.
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:54pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  17 downvotes and counting….. Sheesh tough audience!
  
  Don’t you understand Duggledog – whatever you do, the one thing the people on this blog must not do is vote for the party/person who actually might do something on the subject they spend all day every day railing against (mass immigration & Maori privilege)
  
  Stupidity is doing the same thing (voting National) over and over again and expecting a different result. Welcome to the twilight zone ??
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:12am
  - Prince
    
    No. Stupidity is voting NZ First and somehow expecting them to only implement some policies you agree with, but none of their stated policies that would delight Labour, such as :
    No GST on food
    No GST on rates
    Scrap Charter Schools
    Abolish National Standards
    Introduce Universal Living Allowance for all fulltime Tertiary students.
    Scrap repayment of student loans if work in NZ
    Woolen carpets
    Raise minimum wage to $17 immediately
    Wider use of home detention and non custodial sentences
    
    Now that is REAL stupid.
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:42am
    - Liberty
      
      You forgot
      The return to Muldoonism
      And fortress NZ.
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:41am
      - Prince
        
        You’re referring to their manifesto that includes…
        Impose rent freeze in ChCh
        Pay 100% of uninsured land, and top up existing payments to 100%.
        Direct NZ Super Fund to purchase NZ shares
        Establish new Kiwisaver option with minimal fees and guaranteed returns
        Offer tax advantages for ‘approved’ savings schemes, and people saving for first home.
        Increase taxes on higher incomes
        Choose NZ-owned ICT busineses where possible.
        
        I did forget these. ‘Cos I’m sure they will just partner with National to remove Maori ‘privileges’. No chance of them joining a coalition with the left where they will have greater leverage, Winston will get more baubles, and they will actually be able to implement their stated policies, which are mostly more left than Labour and the Greens..
        
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        July 17, 2017 11:13am
- thedavincimode
  
  Two ticks Winston First!! I’ve always said he was a great guy; much maligned and misunderstood 🙂 . He needs to make these bottom line policies.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:20am
  - Liberty
    
    You would be a classic example of a chap who
    Would buy a $3000 vacuum cleaner of a door to door salesman.
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:52am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Pay $7,000 and get one free!
      
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      July 17, 2017 11:19am
      - MH
        
        we at WINZ can beat that offer, more suck for your buck-the Metiria is our best seller.
        
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        July 17, 2017 2:22pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Presumably you refer to the top of the range Metiria Suckmaster Plus with the extended needle nose attachment for getting into those hard to reach corners of the trough. But I thought that model was only good for hoovering up taxpayer money and sausage rolls???
        
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        July 17, 2017 2:33pm
      - Liberty
        
        The scary part is NZF devotees are sucked in by such crap.
        As it’s down at the same level as Winston’s bullshit.
        
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        July 17, 2017 4:55pm
- BeaB
  
  Remember the ‘storm coming’ will make things worse for you too. Be careful what you wish for.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:36am
- KevOB
  
  No prisons. Hard Labour? Where are they going to sleep? in the fields? Where are their supervisors/warders going to stay?
  
  That NZF policy first seems half baked.
  
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  July 17, 2017 11:14am
  - Prince
    
    That’s a baseless vile allegation.
    This malicious attack has been demonstrably orchestrated by foreign nationals who have no standing in this country.
    
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    July 17, 2017 12:19pm
Dafixeruppa

Good morning all.
I hope none of you have had to negotiate the mess that is the Ngauranga Gorge these days.
With all the H&S bull, that little slip that could have been cleared in a few hours has become a saga that will last for months.
No wonder none of our slips around the country get cleared.
Oh well, bring on the flying electric cars, no need for more roads then.
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July 17, 2017 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now that our council has done away with local roadmen, one of the up-country ladies has revealed she no longer puts on a dress and nice shoes when coming into town. She packs her chainsaw and shovels in the back of her vehicle and attends to road maintenance herself on her way into town.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:12am
- peterwn
  
  There would be more to it than that. At the site of another slip the gas people had dug holes and ‘squeezed’ a 250mm yellow gas main either side of the slip. I thought that was overkill until I realised that a gas meter would have been buried under the rubble and the gas main to a house ruptured and spewing out gas necessitating a Fire Service presence. Now the slip is cleared no doubt the gas people will today isolate the branch to the house and remove the big clamps.
  Far rather to take a bit longer and ensure no one is killed. The Kaikoura Coast road and railway could probably be re-opened sooner if a bit less care was taken. While fatalities on works projects were the norm in the 1800’s and early 1900’s, they are unacceptable today.
  There were some deaths when the Manapouri tailrace tunnel to Doubtful Sound was dug in the 1960’s. When a parallel tunnel was dug several years ago there were no fatalities – this despite there being a more ‘commercial’ attitude to works nowadays.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:20am
  - Colville
    
    peter.
    I am assuming you meant 25mm?
    As a 250Mm main would be running 1000 psi + and would be a quite exciting prospect to “squeeze off” 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2017 8:34am
    - peterwn
      
      I was not thinking straight – it was around 100mm diameter – certainly greater than 25mm. However hydraulically operated PE pipe shutoff presses are available for pipes of up to 600mm. The pipe is usable once the press is removed but I understand that the pipe must not be squeezed at the same spot in the future.
      
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      July 17, 2017 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  With traffic reduced to a crawl past one of NZ’s most profitable speed cameras, the constabulary are going to have a large hole in their revenue budget
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:13am
  - peterwn
    
    It is the Consolidated Fund that suffers, not the Police budget. While the Treasury may budget for an anticipated flow of cash from traffic infringements and court fines, it cannot directly influence this flow by say getting the Courts Minister to pressure judges to increase average fines. Not can it realistically pressure the Police to install more speed cameras to boost revenue – this would lead to even more claims that speed cameras are there for revenue purposes.
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:30am
arkhad

Looking for ideas for party games for this upcoming election. Anyone know where I could find something New Zealand related. Or suggest some on here?
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July 17, 2017 8:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Party games for the election.
  
  I would like a piñata shaped like thieving Turei (would be quite generously proportioned) so that after the pleasure of beating the smug smirk off her face with a satisfying thrashing of the stick, some of her ill-gotten gains would be redistributed
  
  Tradition was, after the piñata was broken, the remains were burned and the ashes kept for good luck; maybe not so lucky for thieving Turei.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:46am
- Rachael Membery
  
  NZ Monopoly?
  NZ Trivial Pursuit?
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:25pm
Monique Watson

Who’s the Asshole of the day?
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July 17, 2017 8:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Looks like it is shaping up to be you, would have been thieving Turei otherwise
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    Gabby had the weekend shift.
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:24am
    - Gabby
      
      Sooky had the weekend shit and it made him cwy.
      
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      July 17, 2017 9:58am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Jesus wept.
        
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        July 17, 2017 2:34pm
  - Gabby
    
    Pullus Goon may or may not be the Asshole of Every Day.
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      When YOU have bowel surgery, YOU will realise that the anal sphincter is THE most important muscle in the body for ones well being
      
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      July 17, 2017 3:32pm
jp_1983

Wonder if the LOCK HER UP chants will be heard at any meetings when she is speaking at them
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July 17, 2017 8:12am
EAD_TWO

As the Nats after 9 years have actually driven the country further apart in terms of separatism, it’s time to tick the NZ First box – what else is going to make them listen?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/335199/peters-promises-referendum-o/n-maori-seats

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has warned the country is on the verge of an economic and social nightmare because of government neglect.

Mr Peters used his election convention speech in Auckland this afternoon to attack the government’s record on housing, immigration and foreign ownership.

Mr Peters told more than 500 party members and supporters that if elected, New Zealand First would “drastically reduce” immigration from 70,000 a year to 10,000 – a level that he said was sensible and sustainable.

Mr Peters also said that if New Zealand First was part of the next government, he would let the public to decide whether to abolish Māori seats and cut the number of MPs in Parliament to 100.

He said Māori seats send a terrible message and vowed to hold a mid-term binding referendum on the two matters.

“The fact is that Māori don’t need to be told that they’re not good enough to be equal, or that somehow they should be handicapped or somehow they should be pigeon-holed,” Mr Peters said.

“When did you ever hear Buck Shelford say don’t tackle me too hard I’m a Māori, or all those women playing in our netball team or any other team, when have you ever heard them say don’t hit me too hard I’m a Māori?

“Māori don’t need the Māori seats – they don’t need any more tokenism.”

Think what you want of Mr Peters, but he’s the only one with the guts to say what needs to be said.
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July 17, 2017 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  He most likely want to do lots of things that you do not like. Seems the ‘support’ for Winston is because it is perceived that a Labour/ Green/ Winston government will not happen and Winston will get concessions from National that some people want, but not be able to rule the roost completely. Whether there is a formal coalition with National or Winston providing support case by case, it is likely to fall apart before the 2020 election. It will be like a game of ‘chicken’ – the parties will be on continual collision course but there will only be a collision if one party perceives the voters will blame the other party for it.
  Interesting that Whaleoil seems to have pretty well thrown its support behind Winston and emphasizing its hatred of Bill English (which it has had since 2002 or so), this being on the premise that a Labour/ Green/ Winston coalition will not happen.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:31am
  - KevOB
    
    Winston is shown holding a sign in hand: Premier, New Zealand
    http://www.connorpost.com/
    
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    July 17, 2017 11:29am
    - peterwn
      
      Interesting – PO Box 123 (shown in the sign) is that of Radio New Zealand. Has he now got Radio NZ in his pocket?
      
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      July 17, 2017 11:51am
- Prince
  
  So why the referendum – Why not just make it policy?
  Because he knows it won’t succeed but he’ll wrap up the 20% rednecks for September.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:47am
  - Nukuleka
    
    First ploy of the progressive left- vilify the opposition. Well done, Prince. But why stop there? Why not use the other leftie nasty words- homophobe, racist, sexist…
    
    When you have no argument just throw mud and hope some of it sticks.
    
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    July 17, 2017 12:43pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Why bother with a referendum?
  There has already been a Commission or something with a report recommending the abolution of the Maori seats – there is no need for them in an MMP system.
  So just write the policy and do away with them.
  Referendum is just a waste of time/money – and is ego driven.
  If Winston wants to lead then lead……thats what we elect them for.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:16am
- Lance
  
  Been there, done that
  Winny Peters turned out to be a joke when in power
  
  I don’t have a lot of faith he will be any better this time.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:24am
Captain Mainwaring

If the Maoris really want the Maori seats why is the turnout in them something like 30%?
Unfortunately Winston is right on this one and the best way for English to neutralise the bastard is to agree with him.
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July 17, 2017 8:13am
- Shawn Herles
  
  “the best way for English to neutralise the bastard is to agree with him.”
  
  That would mean taking a controversial and courageous stand that might get him in trouble with the liberal media.
  
  Good luck with that hope. 🙂
  
  Party Vote New Zealand First and make New Zealand Great Again!
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:35pm
Happychappy

I would like to know how Winston can get his bottom line on the Maori Seats without National backing it as Labour will commit Political Suicide to even think about it. Winston the way he is talking believes he will be the largest Party in Parliament after the Election so whatever he is taking or drinking he should keep doing it as that is the only result he will have after awaking from his self inflicted dream.
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July 17, 2017 8:15am
- Colville
  
  Interesting ahead of the election as both Nat and Lab will be asked publiclly to rule out doing away with the racist seats and this will make Winnie double down on his promise to get rid of them.
  We are then left with Winnie saying its a bottom line and both big players will have said emphatically NO to it (as they both want the Maori vote)
  Maybe just maybe Nats will say…”we will listen to the will of the people”?
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:46am
- niggly
  
  Winston may have a point that the Maori eletorate seats aren’t needed and Don Brash may have a point too (I heard Don Brash and Marama Fox being interviewed about this on Morning Report), in fact Marama Fox also has a point that they are needed!
  
  Am I confused? Nope because what they all miss is this …
  
  Yes, when Labour Maori MP’s hold the seats I do agree with Peters and Brash what good comes of that and the answer seems to be not much, why because Labour Maori MP’s toe the Labour Party line and are pretty much silent (so much so I would suggest most NZers don’t know who the current Labour Maori seat MP’s are – I certainly don’t)! So that’s Labour for you – control and suppress!
  
  But yes, whether we like the Maori Party or not, the fact is they provide visible gains for Maori (whether one likes that or not is a moot point – my point being they make gains). More so that Labour. Now also think about it like this, the National Party is “evidence based”, so if National are giving money to the Maori Party for their policies then National must be convinced they are actually doing some good for the Maori community and improving outcomes etc.
  
  As for Winston, although he talks some sense it isn’t as simplistic as he makes out (and lets not forget NZF have held the Maori seats before – so there is again with Winnie double standards at play). Perhaps what Winston should be advocating for is that the Labour Party shouldn’t be contesting the Maori seats (it should be left to MMP minor parties like Maori Party and even NZ First etc) because the Labour Party are not genuine about helping Maori – if he said that, I would fully agree with him! 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:50am
- Jack5
  
  Peters promises a “binding referendum” on the Maori seats.
  
  Is there such a device as a “binding referendum”?
  
  Our politicians seem happy to ignore referendums/referenda.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:34am
dime

Fed wins wimbledon! how awesome!

36 years old!

Tennis players used to almost be done by 25.

Sports science has come a long way. normally id be a prick and say PED’s have come a long way… but i say hes clean and just awesome.
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July 17, 2017 8:53am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes and he has done when Tennis has had several great players competing against him, will go down as the greatest of all time.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:18am
Inandout

Too early in the morning I know, but I had to highlight this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/16/justin-trudeau-meets-baby-justin-trudeau

“And what makes me proud is not just that we got the job done, which we did – but there is still more to do – but really that if you compare Canada with other countries around the globe which are tending to close their doors to refugees, Canadians responded so overwhelmingly positively to the refugees.”

Bye bye Canada.
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July 17, 2017 8:54am
Simon

Benefit fraud climate change fraud. All the same.

Shaw is going to have to step up. they should call themselves the Greys with him running
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July 17, 2017 8:56am
dime

“The lowest median income in the country is in Northland, but you can’t beat Wellington on payday: its workers have the country’s highest median incomes.”

well that makes Dime sick do his stomach.

First of all – poor northland. they just get treated like shit. they cant even get a new road cause its a “holiday highway”

second – wellington? scumbags living off tax payer money.

for the genius who cant even budget enough to buy a house, whats the BCR on all the shit bags sucking off the public tit? bet its lower than 0.4!
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July 17, 2017 8:59am
- Grant
  
  You’re on to it Dime.
  
  Am bloody annoyed that I wasn’t able to debate that “Holiday Highway” bullshit with Marquess.
  Maybe she’s like another crack at it??
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:17am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Maybe she and her Labour colleagues could visit the families of every person killed on that horrible excuse for a national highway and explain why it shouldn’t be upgraded.
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:46am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin bridgy.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:04am
  - dime
    
    gabby – im taken.
    
    please stop sending selfies
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:33am
    - Gabby
      
      dim’s gettin committed.
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:12pm
Nostradamus

Labour leader Andrew Little slams ‘blowhard’ Winston for doubting his re-election chances

“Listen, Winston is a very colourful character in New Zealand politics and he’s got some principles too. But he is a blowhard and this is blowhard politics. In the end this election isn’t going to be fought on the basis of swinging dicks it is going to be fought on the basis of what party has demonstrated that they are listening to the real concerns of New Zealanders”.

Wow – “blowhard” and “swinging dicks”. He sounds… angry!
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July 17, 2017 8:59am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Very statesmanlike stuff from Andrew Little; not. What a shame that ztev isn’t here to defend the indefensible.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:05am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I’ll fill in for him.
    “But, but, but John Key….”
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:47am
  - Gabby
    
    Izza paw widdle snofwake cwying?
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:47pm
- Peter
  
  So, this easy Green-Labour-NZFirst government is already at each other’s throats. The minor point is the election race hasn’t even begun.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:15am
- VicParking
  
  Sounds normal Angry Andy to me
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:28am
- BeaB
  
  And always vulgar.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:40am
- Gabby
  
  At this rate bluish waverers may start thinking a vote for Winston isn’t a vote for Labour.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:06am
- Grant
  
  “Swinging dicks”, indeed.
  Perhaps the angry little one thinks his front door mat is a mirror..
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:23am
- Happychappy
  
  Nostradamus: You should read Paddy Gowers Column on the Three website “Winston Plan to become PM” The people on here should read it as he is quite happy to have a Labour Green Coalition without Andrew Little as long as he is the Prime Minister. Winston has gone after Little to colapse the Labour vote and stop Little getting a List place which will give him the opportunity to be PM and lead the NZ First, Labour and Green Coalition.
  
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  July 17, 2017 3:39pm
Happychappy

Who is lying Three News, Winston Peters or Andrew Little over the leaked UMR Labour Poll results and why aren’t the Media making this News. After listening and reading Paddy Gowers take on who release it I believe he new who it was and has tried to blame others to cover up for who they are promoting.If Andrew Little is lying why would he accuse Winston Peters when he has the most to lose if he and Peters fallout and why is Peters not happy to say who is doing NZ Firsts internal Polling. Winston Peters has the most from gaining from this release and will do everything in his power legal of not to gain a advantage in this Election.
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July 17, 2017 9:08am
- VicParking
  
  Just chip paper. Another poll will come out next week and the “Wise Heads” will have another theory about the result.
  HOWEVER: The trend is not good for both Liebour or Natalie.
  Before the last election the same pundants said Winston would be King maker, he still a cocktail maker. September is a long way off in political terms and I’m sure more Shock revolations will emerge to tittle our fancy. Democracy a game run by the few to fool the many.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:04am
BananaLlama

Nats are in deep shit they had better come close to matching what NZF is offering or the Metropolitan morons that have hijacked the National party will drive them off a cliff.
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July 17, 2017 9:17am
Jack5

Australia is making the Army the key player in terrorist attacks.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports:

State police will remain the first responders to a domestic terror incident, but will no longer retain sole command of an attack or hostage situation. The military will also be allowed on the streets to support the wider police response, including blocking potential suspects from leaving the scene. Elite special forces would have full legal authority to shoot and kill terrorists.

I wonder if NZ will review its stance on terrorist attacks.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-army-to-be-deployed-on-domestic-soil-during-future-terrorist-attacks-20170716-gxc7gu.html
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July 17, 2017 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  Wow , there’s more of that diversity dividend from Muslim immigration.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:51am
- Gabby
  
  Panicky wee buggers, those ockers.
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:06pm
kowtow

If Clare Curran was so concerned about her constituents getting access to social housing why has she , among others, been so keen to import so many Syrian refugees ?

“Ms Curran said a lack of state housing and suitable short-term accommodation in Dunedin meant the ministry was relying on motels.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/mp-camps-out-protest-pairs-plight
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July 17, 2017 9:53am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA … HOUSING BOOM STUPIDITY ‘ABOUT TO BITE’ … THE AUSTRALIAN

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.comgarry.au/2017/07/macro-afternoon-232/#comment-2916697

Housing boom stupidity ‘about to bite’ … Deloitte Access Economics Report … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/housing-boom-stupidity-about-to-bite/news-story/ec756791413c1d8fc9c2eb85606f2331

Home-building activity will shrink further as “gravity catches up with stupidity” in housing ¬markets, according to the Del¬oitte Access Economics’ quarterly business outlook, released today.

The group has joined the ¬chorus of warnings about the dangers facing the residential property market, which is coming under increasing pressure as lenders clamp down on overseas and highly leveraged local borrowers.

The report characterised the NSW and Victorian economies as having “clay feet” and said the house price boom had “borrowed growth from the future”. …

… concluding …

… UBS economists George Tharenou and Scott Haslem said yesterday that a housing correction was unfolding but they still did not see a crash. House price growth had likely already peaked and there was “moderation ahead” as the market digested ¬record new supply, poor affordability and rising mortgage rates.

Housing crisis: Stockland CEO calls for policy changes … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/policy-changes-could-solve-housing-crisis-stockland-ceo/news-story/f843c2cd7bd187524d94aaec73801c5e

There is a “once-in-a-generation opportunity to reset the nation” if the raft of new housing-related policies are enacted by federal, state and local governments and harnessed to the infrastructure spending already under way in some states.

Mark Steinert, chief executive of Stockland, the country’s largest residential developer, said that if all the initiatives came into play it could unlock tens of billions of dollars in potential savings that could be channelled into housing affordability.

“The federal government’s policy changes, the attitudes the state governments are displaying, holding local government accountable around (housing) supply targets, infrastructure building around heavy rail and the focus on building new hospitals and schools — this is a game-changer,” Mr Steinert told The Australian. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing market sentiment falls in every state: NAB survey – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-13/housing-market-sentiment-drops-in-all-states-says-nab/8705044
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July 17, 2017 9:58am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Can the current New Zealand Government withstand these and other pressures ? … General Election 23 September 2017 (2 momths away) …
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/dom_post_on_opposition_parties.html/comment-page-1#comment-1969457
  
  Note these 5 posts …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/weekend-reading-15-16-july-2017/#comment-2916360
  
  … and too … Barclay …
  
  Where’s Todd Barclay? MP accused of going MIA | Newshub
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/07/where-s-todd-barclay-mp-accused-of-going-mia.html
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=todd+barclay&tbm=nws&spf=1500161034682
  
  … and this morning’s Sunday Star Times as well …
  
  Exclusive Brethren told to pray for Bill English and National Party victory … Sunday Star-Times
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94742451/Exclusive-Brethren-told-to-pray-for-Bill-English-and-National-Party-victory?cid=app-iPad
  
  Realistically … can National withstand all this … and the rest of it ?
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:00am
  - VicParking
    
    By September global warming will have arrived, Auckland harbour will be blocked by a big iceberg. Dunedin will then become the economic hub of NZ, due to the Bannanas we can grow in central Otago, and Stewart Island will be tropical heaven.
    The army will stage a takeover and the high council will give us free wheelbarrows to carry our cash around in. Man I’m good I should stand for the new five seat parliment.
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:16am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The Exclusive Brethren are free to pray for and vote for whoever they like Hugh. Are you trying to suggest they don’t have the right to state their opinion?
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:32am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94742451/Exclusive-Brethren-told-to-pray-for-Bill-English-and-National-Party-victory?cid=app-iPad
      
      Keeping Stock … Note the second para …
      
      The Exclusive Brethren church is calling on its 8000 New Zealand followers to pray for Bill English’s National Party to win September’s general election.
      
      The hardline Christian sect issued a prayer agenda calling for the “right Government which maintains Christian principles” to win the New Zealand election on September 23.
      
      A $1.2m leaflet campaign by Exclusive Brethren businessmen to discredit Labour and the Green Party in the leadup to the 2005 election became a public relations disaster for National, who initially denied any knowledge of the campaign. …
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      .
      Allowing affordable housing to be built is a basic human right … as I explained within the Introductory Section of the 10th Annual Demographia Survey ( read the Alain Bertaud Introduction … it’s a cracker) …
      
      http://www.demographia.com/dhi2014.pdf
      
      The purpose of the Demographia Surveys
      is to alert the public and policy-makers
      if housing exceeds 3.0 times annual
      household incomes, that there is
      institutional failure at the local level.
      The political and regulatory
      impediments with respect to land supply and
      infrastructure provision must be dealt with.
      
      Indeed – the United Nations within its 2007 World
      Population Report is very forthright when it states –
      “Once policymakers and civil society understand and
      accept the demographic and social composition of
      urban growth, some basic approaches and initiatives
      suggest themselves.”
      
      “These could have a huge impact on the fate of poor
      people and the viability of the cities themselves. “
      “Throughout the report, the message is clear. Urban
      and national governments, together with civil society
      and supported by international organizations, can
      take steps that make a huge difference for the social,
      economic and environmental living conditions of a
      majority of the world’s population.”
      
      “ Three policy initiatives stand out in this
      connection.”
      
      “First, preparing for an urban future requires at a
      minimum, respecting the rights of the poor to the
      city. As Chapter 3 shows, many policymakers
      continue to try to prevent urban growth by
      discouraging rural – urban migration…….”
      
      “These attempts to prevent migration are futile,
      counterproductive and wrong – a violation of peoples rights.’
      
      NOW … LABOUR HOUSING POLICY WITH RESPECT TO AUCKLAND …
      
      http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
      
      “Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
      
      Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.”
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      Very ‘principled’ indeed by the Labour Party … something it appears the Exclusive Brethren are unaware of. Why aren’t they praising Labour for this … and urging the principled political Party National to do the same ?
      
      Like me, Captain Bill of the National Party was raised a Catholic ( I had better teachers though … the Dominican Nuns … read their just released NZ history ‘Windows On A Womans World’ by Dr Susannah Grant … a cracker). He states occasionally the moral teachings guide him as well. You may like to draw to his attention 2 important Papal Encyclicals dealing with economic and housing matters … the 1991 Centesimus Annus one hundred years on from Pope Leo X111 encyclical Rerum Nostrum.
      
      At its core, the right to the opportunity of affordable housing is very much a moral issue. It is well past time religious groups actively engaged and advocated for this as well. It seems a long overdue start has been made in Sydney recently …
      
      Housing affordability crisis bonds Sydney community across cultures and religions – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
      
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-13/sydney-housing-affordability-disaster-sparks-collaboration/8703234
      
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      July 17, 2017 11:48am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        The scroll wheel salesmen will be making a fortune.
        
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        July 17, 2017 12:26pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It sounds as though you want the Exclusive Brethren to get involved in property investment Hugh 😀
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:26pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Unaffordable cities breed modern day Luddites … Robert J Shiller Opinion … Financial News
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-18-july-2017/#comment-2917761 … and …
        
        Unaffordable cities breed modern-day Luddites – Robert J Shiller – Opinion – Financial News
        
        https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/unaffordable-cities-breed-modern-day-luddites-20170717
        
        The evidence suggests resistance to new housebuilding really does drive up prices, hurting cities’ diversity and vibrancy …
        
        … As this year’s Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey shows, there are already massive disparities across major global cities (measured by the ratio of median home prices to median household income). A high ratio correlates with high pressure for people to leave. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        Robert J. Shiller – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Shiller
        
        … Why the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey is important. New Zealander and co-author Hugh Pavletich explained early 2011 …
        
        Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes … Hugh Pavletich … Sydney Morning Herald / The Age Australia
        
        https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:29am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … A simple structural definition of an affordable housing market … via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        DEFINITION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET
        
        For metropolitan areas to rate as ‘affordable’ and ensure that housing bubbles are not triggered, housing prices should not exceed three times gross annual household earnings. To allow this to occur, new starter housing of an acceptable quality to the purchasers, with associated commercial and industrial development, must be allowed to be provided on the urban fringes at 2.5 times the gross annual median household income of that urban market (refer Demographia Survey Schedules for guidance).
        
        The critically important Development Ratios for this new fringe starter housing, should be 17 – 23% serviced lot / section cost – the balance the actual housing construction.
        
        Ideally through a normal building cycle, the Median Multiple should move from a Floor Multiple of 2.3, through a Swing Multiple of 2.5 to a Ceiling Multiple of 2.7 – to ensure maximum stability and optimal medium and long term performance of the residential construction sector.
        
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        July 18, 2017 3:37am
    - VicParking
      
      Hugh is worried that praying might work
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:04pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Hugh is right to be worried. Prayer DOES work.
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:25pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        I would like to respond to you all, but I’m busy searching for the National-led Governments principled performance on housing issues these past near nine years !
        
        No doubt enterprising journalists will be questioning the Exclusive Brethren further on this.
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:57pm
ex-golfer

So NZ First campaign tee-shirts are made in……China LOL

Epic Fail……..obviously only NZ FIRST when its cheap!
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July 17, 2017 10:22am
- Dave Mann
  
  Everything is made in China now. Where do you think they would find a tee-shirt manufacturer in NZ today?
  
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  July 17, 2017 11:42am
  - ex-golfer
    
    https://www.globalculture.co.nz/about-us_261.aspx
    
    Not hard if you try Dave.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:21pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    ‘Everything is made in China now….’
    
    So by your reckoning Winston will be sourcing his carpet from China too?
    
    Come on Dave…..keep to message. NZ FIRST!!!!
    
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    July 17, 2017 3:48pm
Keeping Stock

You couldn’t make this up!

Winston Peters is denying any knowledge of his party’s campaign T-shirts being made in China.

The revelations came during the party’s conference at the weekend.

“No surprises here – but the New Zealand First party’s T-shirt on sale at its conference for $20 is… Made in China,” tweeted Newsroom journalist Tim Murphy.

NZ First, as its name suggests, gives “high priority to maintaining and building the manufacturing sector” and wants “a government procurement policy that gives preference for New Zealand firms”.

Mr Peters himself isn’t so hot on the Middle Kingdom, in 2014 telling supporters “two Wongs don’t make a right”.

It might fly in the face of importing Chinese-made T-shirts, but Mr Peters says he’s just the pilot – and knows nothing about it.

“I haven’t got a NZ First T-shirt. You say that – I don’t know anything about that,” he told The AM Show on Monday.

“I’m at the front of the aeroplane trying to drive it – I’m not at the back sorting out what goes on the toilets and cleaning up the kitchens, right? If somebody’s selling a product, I’ve got no idea what the product is.”

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nz-first-t-shirts-made-in-china/ar-BBEy582?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=spartanntp

Oh dear Winston; your “mansplaining” simply doesn’t wash, because we know that NOTHING happens in NZF without Winston’s blessing.

Three cheers for NZ First and its “Buy NZ First” policy; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
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July 17, 2017 10:30am
- ex-golfer
  
  I’m the pilot flying this plane.
  The rules don’t apply to me.
  Remember I’m King.
  Do as I say, not as I do.
  Two Wongs don’t make a White – but they make damn cheap tee-shirts…….which leaves more money for my smiling face billboards!
  
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  July 17, 2017 11:05am
  - Kimbo
    
    You forgot one:
    
    “Can we fix it? Yes, we can!” 😉
    
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    July 17, 2017 11:12am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfimlyg4rbo4e4t/bob_the_builder.jpg?dl=0
      
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      July 17, 2017 12:52pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        http://liberation.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d75d69e20120a5cdd00c970c-pi
        
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        July 17, 2017 4:15pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        That’s not Winston’s finger 😉
        
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        July 17, 2017 5:08pm
Yvette

A comment has been made that –
“Labour can’t even fund their own polling and has to bludge results from UMR’s corporate customers.”

So with all the fuss about poll information being “leaked” does anyone know if it is Labour initiated and paid for polling or is Labour just a client like several others who get UMR poll results.
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July 17, 2017 10:30am
Fletch

So the virtue signaling BBC has decided that the next Doctor Who will be a woman….

https://www.facebook.com/DoctorWho/videos/1546938395326573/

I won’t be watching, sorry.
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July 17, 2017 11:23am
- Longknives
  
  Dr Who has been in the SJW’s sights for years- ‘Old White Man’ blah blah.
  A Transgender James Bond will be the next insult..
  
  I wont be watching either- I’ve been a fan since I was a kid but now I hope the series goes bust..
  
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  July 17, 2017 11:42am
  - Gabby
    
    Given that it’s Jodie Whittaker I shall reserve judgment.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:42pm
- VicParking
  
  There has been a female Timelord in the last two series, but I suppose you did not watch them either.
  To date, the series has featured several confirmed female Time Lords: Rodan (“The Invasion of Time”), Romana, Darkel (a.k.a. the Inquisitor), the Rani, and the unnamed woman who appears in “The End of Time”. The voices of several female Time Lords are also heard in “The Doctor’s Wife”.
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:09pm
  - Fletch
    
    Sure, but if they want to feature the adventures of a female time lord then why not reintroduce Romana? Or even have her in a spinoff series? Or write a new one? It’s just a way of feminizing a character, and they can get away with being lazy because the character has such a big back history so they don’t risk it being unpopular (to a degree, anyway).
    
    And what if River Song (the Doctor’s wife) returns? Will they now make it a lesbian relationship? A gay marriage? I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a way of inserting new liberal values using a classic character. The doctor has been male for over 50 years and 12 incarnations. The character is male.
    
    The idea permeating society these days is that male and female are interchangeable. It’s like they’re trying to make society genderless. Well male and female are very different and they have different strengths. Feminism isn’t feminine. Ironically, it’s almost a rush to make women more like men in order to compete with men while ignoring the strengths that are uniquely female.
    
    I didn’t much like Capaldi, and I won’t be watching this new series either.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:46pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Hmm. As the male/female ratio of sad anorak-wearing Dr Who fans runs about 10:1, I’m starting to sense why this decision may kill of the series! 😉
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:50pm
      - Fletch
        
        Having said that, the number of ‘likes’ on the Facebook post announcing the new Doctor far outweighs the dislikes. But we shall see.
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:53pm
      - Longknives
        
        I wouldn’t have minded if they had introduced a Female Doctor as a ‘surprise’ a few years ago-It might have worked.
        But seeing as they are clearly just responding to a pressure campaign from shrieking SJW types and the Media (White Men are evil you see?) I think this decision just sucks.
        
        I guess I’m going to have to stick to watching Re-Runs of the old Classics (Yep Kimbo- in my Anorak..)
        
        http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2010/07/the_10_hottest_doctor_who_companions.php
        
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        July 17, 2017 2:47pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Androgeny?
      
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      July 17, 2017 7:09pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  ! A female Dr Who.
  
  The last great glass ceiling for women has now been well and truly shattered.
  
  This is a magnificent victory for feminists the world over! The final dragon has been slain.
  
  Now only a few trifling little issues remain for feminists to agitate over, little things like improving the lot of 750 million muslim females who suffer minor inconveniences like being victim-blamed into being forced to cover themselves from head to foot to avoid inciting themselves to be raped by poor, innocent muslim males around them.
  
  Well done feminists – eye on the big picture and all that!
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:29pm
  - Brigitte
    
    The next one will be Chinese – Dr Hu!
    
    BTW, female muslims are making ground – the new CEO of Iran Air is a female (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-air-female-ceo-farzaneh-sharafban-boeing-airbus-gender-women-a7836831.html).
    
    Maybe that’s part of the reason Saudi doesn’t like Iran.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:50pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Brigitte:
      
      The next one will be Chinese – Dr Hu!
      
      Bugger – you owe me a new keyboard for that!
      
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      July 17, 2017 4:08pm
  - MH
    
    OMG the tardis has been painted pink.
    
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    July 17, 2017 2:48pm
- cha
  
  the next Doctor Who will be a woman….
  
  I heard this I thought to myself, Fletch’s manliness won’t be able to cope and he’ll be sure to flounce and say I won’t be watching.
  
  Bingo!
  
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  July 17, 2017 4:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    #FeminizeAClassic
    Schindlers Shopping List
    From here to Maternity
    Peggy Sue got tats and a nose ring
    Butch Lesbian and the Sundance Kid
    Where Feminists Dare
    When Harry oppressed Sally
    Dirty Harriet
    
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    July 17, 2017 4:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Gone in Sixty Minutes – lol
      
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      July 17, 2017 4:33pm
- chiz
  
  Based on what I’ve seen so far it looks like she’ll be able to carry the role off. It’ll be difficult to be as bad as McCoy was.
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:19pm
Manolo

The bugger will be there until his 100th!:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/health/john-mccain-blood-clot-recovery.html
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July 17, 2017 11:30am
- RalphT
  
  …keeping Winston company.
  
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  July 17, 2017 11:51am
Dave Mann

I think that over the years National has betrayed our country by morphing into a pseudo-socialist pack of racial separatist sympathisers….. but honestly, they are better by far than Labour, the Greens, TOP or even ACT.

The problem is that if Ngati National continue the way they are going, our country will become ever more fucked until there’s nothing left.

As I see it, the ONLY thing which would stop National from finally destroying this country would be a hugely strong showing for NZF in the polls this year. NZF articulates some of the best ‘blue’ philosphy that National was built on, and with Peters in government with them, they would be forced to pull up their socks and start working for the good of the country.

Party vote NZF this year. Not to ‘send National a message’, but to actually have a real chance to fix things in the real world.
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July 17, 2017 11:34am
- Kimbo
  
  As someone who can see through Trump’s populist nonsense, you surprise me, Dave Mann. Maori seats have been around since 1867 so so much for Ngati National. And National’s “philosophy”? They’ve never had one! Instead they have always been the party of moderate pragmatic government, with incremental change when needed, and does not divide – and forcing the abolition of Maori seats by the crude device of 51% of the electorate and shit fight and perpetual grievance that will ensue ain’t the National way.
  
  As always, “it’s the economy, stupid” is the reason why National deserves re-election (it’s going well at the moment, btw) and a return to the worst examples of how the country was run before 1984 – which is where Peters wants to go – is not the way to make it better.
  
  All the rest is window dressing and populist nonsense. So much for “the real world”. But your vote, so you are entitled to your judgement. Good luck to you on that score.
  
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  July 17, 2017 12:04pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hey Kimbo thanks for the well presented argument.
    
    I don’t like Trump, not because he’s populist, but because he’s a lying, deceitful, untrustworthy and possibly mad idiot who thinks that his country can be run like a TV reality show… but that’s by the by.
    
    I think Peters would do very well to put the Maori seats to a referendum, rather than simply try to pass legislation to abolish them; that way the electorate at least has a say. He could even make it binding only with a ‘super majority’ of 66.66%, which would be fairer as this would be a very important referendum.
    
    I actually don’t think Peters wants to go back to pre-1984. I think there were SOME aspects of NZ which were better then than now and I think he is focusing on those, rather than total time travel.
    
    One thing that bothers me (well, two actually) is that NZF doesn’t seem to have a lot of high profile talent in their MP ranks and Shane Jones gives me the shits, frankly. Winston might be advised to push his MPs a bit more to the forefront to dispel the image of being a one man band…. but its too early to go back on elevating Jones, sadly.
    
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    July 17, 2017 12:52pm
    - VicParking
      
      For every example of Trump lying I will give you ten Lies by Hillary in return. He is a Politician, they are all born “fib tellers”
      Please also supply proof that he is “deceitful, untrustworthy and possibly mad idiot”, or are you just looking in a mirror.
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:14pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Not even worth engaging in, sorry, (I was simply replying to Kimbo’s observations).
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:27pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Translation of “Not even worth engaging in, sorry”
        
        “Damn it, I hate it when I’m challenged to back-up my regurgitation of fake news with facts – I’m ducking for cover, hopefully nobody will notice”
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ DifferentPerspective
        
        No, Dave Mann was right – VicParking’s variation on “Hillary is worse” was not germane to Dave Mann’s engagement with my comparison of the populism of Donald Trump and…~~Hillary Clinton~~ Winston Peters.
        
        Is called following the thread of a conversation.
        
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        July 17, 2017 1:36pm
      - cha
        
        For every example of Trump lying I will give you ten Lies by Hillary in return
        
        You’ll need 3630, Wictor, so best you get cracking.
        //
        
        https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/07/11/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html
        
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        July 17, 2017 4:17pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “Populism” is a meaningless label that arrogant, out of touch, pompous Liberal elites use when a majority of ordinary folks don’t agree with them.
      
      “Oh that’s sooo popular! How awful and terrible! Don’t the ignorant, unwashed, not properly educated deplorables understand that destroying the nation state and flooding the West with third world imports and Muslim Jihadi’s is a good thing? Silly ordinary people!”
      
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      July 17, 2017 2:44pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    July 17, 2017 2:34pm
    - Kimbo
      
      No, no. This time Winston really means it with the “cut immigration to the bone” policy because it’s so much different from all the other times he’s run it and traded it away since 1996 😉
      
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      July 17, 2017 2:44pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Party vote NZF this year.”
  
  To instal a bunch of no-hoper drones into Cabinet, along with a ‘Leader’ who will throw his toys out of the cot and cause another election within three months.
  
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  July 17, 2017 12:31pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    National are abandoning the centre right.
    
    Their insane pay equity settlement shows how utterly unconcerned about “the economy stupid” economic principle they are.
    
    National’s chief strategy in the upcoming election is to rely on voter apathy to allow them to keep on drifting along. This is a clueless government that chose to use up most of it’s political capital on – of all things – a flag-change vanity project.
    
    Voting for them tells them they’re on the right course – if you believe strongly that they’re not, then one cannot be apathetic and vote for a status quo that one is against.
    
    National will only course-correct if they get a strong enough electoral stimulus. The least damaging outcome of all the sharp-shock options appears to be National swallowing a lot of Winston’s dead rats.
    
    The choices appear to be:
    – provide a mandate for National’s socialism by stealth
    or
    – not provide a mandate.
    
    The latter option seems to be appearing more and more palatable if Winston’s ratings are to be believed.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:44pm
    - Gabby
      
      Then ACT will be exploiting the open ground on the right, unless they’re just lazy freeloading coattailers that is.
      
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      July 17, 2017 1:58pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “along with a ‘Leader’ who will throw his toys out of the cot and cause another election within three months.”
    
    What’s your evidence for that claim?
    
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    July 17, 2017 2:42pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      You obviously are not old enough to remember the last two times he was in Government.
      
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      July 17, 2017 8:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, no, this time will be different. Really. Because apparently, unlike 1996 – when people were up in arms about the influx of Asians that had been hitting NZ since the early 1990s – “cutting immigration to the bone” is too serious now for Winston to trade away in a coalition deal for baubles… /sarc
        
        But then at least you and I are indeed Kiwis by birth, Captain Mainwaring, and have been around long enough to comment on local voting patterns and concerns, rather than importing our ideological baggage from our point-of-origin overseas. Hey, I could get used to this – just like the slave-Labour interns, bugger off and mind your own business, pseudo-Kiwis, and leave Kiwblog and NZ political debate for the real Kiwis! 😉
        
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        July 17, 2017 8:50pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “You obviously are not old enough to remember the last two times he was in Government.”
        
        I’m 52. I remember Muldoon being in power. And there is no precedent for your claim. It was Shiply’s coup against Bolger and her sacking of Peters that crashed the first Nat/NZ First coalition, and Peters did not throw his toys out of the cot with Labour.
        
        So what is your evidence for that claim again?
        
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        July 17, 2017 9:08pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      “rather than importing our ideological baggage from our point-of-origin overseas.”
      
      Conservative nationalism has been a feature of NZ politics since the 19th century Kimberly. 🙂
      
      And my political philosophy comes from Europe, not the US, in particular British and French Traditionalists.
      
      In the past year I have read books by Roger Scruton (Brit), Peter Hitchens (Brit), Alain de Benoist (French), and Dominique Venner (French).
      
      Oh dear….. 🙂
      
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      July 17, 2017 9:14pm
MCos

Roger Federer reminds me a little of Winston Peters. Both of them nearing the end of their careers, made to look good by the mediocrity of their opposition.
One glaring difference. Federer is still a wonderful tennis player.
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July 17, 2017 11:37am
- Nukuleka
  
  ‘the mediocrity of their opposition’? Really.
  You seem incapable of following the way that a Grand Slam Tennis Tournament works- Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all played at Wimbledon and all fell by the wayside. In a tennis tournament the eventual winner doesn’t actually play all other players, MCos, or is this simple fact a revelation to you? It is the luck of the draw and of current rankings. He or she is the last person standing when all others have fallen.
  
  Don’t cast a back-handed slur on Roger Federer just to make your own weak political comment.
  
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  July 17, 2017 12:54pm
  - MCos
    
    Federer could only play those on the other side of the net and none of them were good enough to even take a set. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s his first Wimbledon that’s happened.
    
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    July 17, 2017 6:26pm
- VicParking
  
  Peters career end this term. They just wheel him in a prop him up in his seat now and again for show.
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:16pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Yeah – like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’. 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2017 2:43pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    At about the 56 minute mark:
    They just wheel him in a prop him up in his seat now and again for show
    
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    July 17, 2017 2:45pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Agreed! I don’t think Winston is a very good tennis player.
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:45pm
  - MH
    
    he gives a good backhander though, and when its not in he we all get to hear about it. His serve still has a lot of spin left in it.
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:53pm
    - Colville
      
      yeah his game is all spin and no follow thru.
      
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      July 17, 2017 2:22pm
Im Right

NZ1st policy of abolishing the Maori seats, well well…what will be the pitfalls (not possible pitfalls, but probable) if referendum goes ahead:
1: we will see the same kind of rhetoric/bullying from the left that Trump supporters recieved in USA, ‘your racist’ when not 100% in agreement for the seats to remain
2: we again will see hikoi marches
3: this will divide NZ, as not all left voters will vote to keep them (i personally know a good few staunch Labour voters that would happily vote to remove the maori seats….but only at the ballot box, in public would be saying ‘keep them’
4: the most definite one of all….supreme court, UN, human rights tribunals etc etc, if the vote comes in to abolish it will spend years in each court like a pinball until one soft court (im guessing UN affiliated one) grants it illegal and breaches Maori human rights.

Its a sorry tale above, but we all know it WILL happen, can Winnie hold his nerve when the time comes? I don’t think so, but hope to be proved wrong!
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July 17, 2017 11:40am
Sublime

Newshub: Hundreds of people from three Tauranga iwi have held a protest march against another group of outside iwi making a claim in the area.

A timely reminder: anyone who claims to speak on behalf of Māori, ‘all Māori’ and so-on should be taken with an industrial quantity of salt.
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July 17, 2017 12:05pm
sooty

I sure hope that the Greens electioneering billboards have a picture of the little green frog on them.
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July 17, 2017 12:14pm
Manolo

Tit for tat in the best European spirit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4699210/Italy-EU-visas-200-000-migrants-send-north.html

In what has been described as a ‘nuclear option,’ Italian government officials have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who enter the country to travel across Europe by using a Brussels directive, The Times reports.

Italy has previously called on its EU neighbours to help with the escalating humanitarian crisis but it has been disappointed by their lack of action.
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July 17, 2017 12:16pm
dime

so face tattoo guy has had 45 job offers but wont accept any of them HAHAHA waiting for the right job.

i fucking knew it! said last week he wont take “any” job like the herald suggested.

scum. plain and simple.
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July 17, 2017 12:41pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Poor grammar and appalling punctuation…. but 100% agree with your sentiment. 😀
  
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  July 17, 2017 12:59pm
  - dime
    
    its a blog. thats the best youre going to get out of me 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2017 1:59pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      its a blog. thats the best youre going to get out of me
      
      Fair call…. 😀 😀 😀
      
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      July 17, 2017 2:49pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  That’s 45 jobs for others then. Get off your arses bludgers, jobs are out there
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:01pm
- Longknives
  
  He won’t need a job once The Greens get into Power and Aunty Meteria bumps up him and his Missus’s Benefits by 20% each..
  Shit they will be able to claim another Benefit somewhere as well (No checks or accountability remember?)
  Free money for all!!
  
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  July 17, 2017 2:39pm
- GazzaW
  
  They will have a bunk made up already for him at Mt Eden. His reincarceration is as sure as night follows day.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:40pm
Fletch

A trailer for the new movie, Darkest Hour, based on the life of Winston Churchill during WWII.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pNOCzV5jG0

We are sorely lacking in our present world of spines as strong as his.
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July 17, 2017 12:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  True, although in matters military Churchill was a tactical incompetent of the first order, as New Zealand troops found to their great cost in Gallipoli in 1915, and Greece and Crete in 1941.
  
  But the one thing (and it was only one thing! ) that Churchill got right saved Western Civilisation.
  
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  July 17, 2017 1:02pm
  - Inandout
    
    Incompetent generals…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblfKREj50o
    
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    July 17, 2017 6:32pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Nope. The “Great War according to Blackadder” is a myth first propounded by the likes of the smarmy Lloyd George after Haig’s death to try and excuse his failures. Haig was actually an innovator who at times. e.g., the tank, which his German counterpart Ludendorff rejected,
      
      …who at times had to fight what turned out to be battles of attrition to save the war – the Somme in 1916 was to relieve the pressure on the French at Verdun, and Passchendaele in 1917 was in an attempt to capture the Belgian ports from which it was thought the German Uboats were being supplied. But it is also a myth that he argued attrition was the way to win the war. Instead, all the generals strove to overcome thetechnological problems, where trenches, machine guns, railways, mass armies and industry, artillery and warfare favoured the defensive, not the offensive. In World War II, once aircraft, armour and wireless communications in the field were more developed, the offensive became feasible once more. But by 1918 the generals on both sides had begun to solve that problem with offensives that co-ordinated infantry, armour and aircraft.
      
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      July 17, 2017 6:47pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Saved it for what? We are under threat again!!!
    
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    July 18, 2017 7:39am
MH

Gallipoli was the Navy’s fault and poor command by the on site generals-the main errors were not pressing for the higher ground on all landing fronts, and not clearing mines or providing for mine sweepers on the Dardanelles. Logistics rather than a strict plan direct from WC.
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July 17, 2017 2:02pm
- Kimbo
  
  No, that was Churchill’s excuse, along with his dismissal of Munro’s assessment of late 1915 that it was time to evacuate
  
  “he came, he saw, he capitulated”
  
  …when it was obvious it was a bloody stalemate with no chance of success.
  
  As with Lloyd George’s idiocy of draining away much-needed men to places like Italy, Salonika and Palestine, Churchill was a believer in the flawed strategy of “knocking out the props” in the Great War. In fact Germany was the prop for all the other Central Powers, and there was only one place where they could be defeated decisively – the Western Front. Anything that diverted from that effort was a dissipation of effort.
  
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  July 17, 2017 2:07pm
MH

Had Freyberg retained Crete it would have been a nightmare to supply the surrounded troops. They probably would of had to evacuate eventually and at what cost to the RN by then?
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July 17, 2017 2:05pm
- Kimbo
  
  Yep. Freyberg stuffed up, but Crete was not a battle worth fighting. Nonetheless, it was fought because Churchill wanted to fight somewhere…anywhere!
  
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  July 17, 2017 2:08pm
MH

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
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July 17, 2017 2:56pm
- Kimbo
  
  But Singapore, the island that was essential to the defence of Australia and New Zealand (whose troops are in North Africa, fighting for Britain and her Empire at the time)…not so much! 😉
  
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  July 17, 2017 3:06pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Sorry I forgot – “Singapore, an impregnable island fortress” according to Churchill.
    
    Sometimes the rhetoric of WLSC didn’t match with reality.
    
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    July 17, 2017 3:26pm
    - MH
      
      And that NZ born Irish man Capt Pat Heenan didn’t help…..
      
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      July 18, 2017 10:29am
Manolo

A good column on the seller of smoke:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/the-flibbertigibbet-pope/

After two Popes of towering intellectual and spiritual strength, it is difficult to become used to the fact that their successor is a flibbertigibbet.

It seems that, while remaining a conservative on some theological matters, on great issues of the day Pope Francis is wrong, or monstrously confused, or has taken refuge in denial. His public pronouncements suggest an alarming divorce from the realities of the world.
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July 17, 2017 3:37pm
- nasska
  
  ….”His public pronouncements suggest an alarming divorce from the realities of the world”…..
  
  You think that’s bad? Wait until you bone yourself up on some of the medieval dogma he promotes.
  
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  July 17, 2017 4:27pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    You mean to say you didn’t stop reading at “After two Popes of towering intellectual and spiritual strength”? There’s a first time for everything I guess!
    
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    July 17, 2017 4:38pm
    - nasska
      
      I thought the author was confused & was going to finish the article with “once upon a time”.
      
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      July 17, 2017 4:42pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        You’ve given me an idea. Let’s see who can come up with the best ending for “After two Popes of towering intellectual and spiritual strength…”. I’m picking that it’ll be a tight race between Kimbo and Maggy for first prize!
        
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        July 17, 2017 5:14pm
      - nasska
        
        And they all lived happily ever after? 🙂
        
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        July 17, 2017 5:32pm
Longknives

Words Fail Me….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/94797117/trial-begins-for-gustav-otto-sanft-who-shot-daughter-in-the-head
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July 17, 2017 4:42pm
- Gabby
  
  The sawnoff shotgun suggests his profession was antiques dealer.
  
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  July 17, 2017 5:52pm
- dad4justice
  
  This vile animal should be hung in public. Society must eradicate filth like this to deter other deranged animals.
  
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  July 17, 2017 5:56pm
- Jack5
  
  The man on trial has an interesting name. Perhaps he’s a descendant of the extended family of German traders who settled in Tonga in the 1860s and 1870s.
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:28pm
Steve (North Shore)

Now that the snowflakes have gone home to mummy for the day, the adults can do their shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKdIz9gP1uI
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July 17, 2017 5:48pm
Jack5

Stuff uses the neuter-gender pronoun that is being promoted by the politically correct LGBT activists:

One police officer fired their weapon, killing 40-year-old Sydney woman Justine Damond.
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July 17, 2017 6:05pm
- BananaLlama
  
  One Police officer preformed a minor miracle turning a fruit into swiss cheese.
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:20pm
- KevOB
  
  Awful English usage.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:40pm
- Gabby
  
  Far too easy for fuckwits to get badges in yankistan. That’ll teach her to ring the police.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:40pm
EAD_TWO

I would like to see Winston do an advert like this that compares and contrasts National and Labour and show that they really are two cheeks of the same arse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOh5qLEWqsI
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July 17, 2017 6:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  With Winston positioned between them that seems a particularly apt metaphor
  
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  July 17, 2017 6:33pm
Fletch

I know young women who watch the show, who go on about ‘rape culture’ in today’s society. More liberal contradiction.

Game of Thrones reduces rape to entertainment

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/green-game-of-thrones-reduces-rape-to-entertainment/6485596?pfmredir=sm
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July 17, 2017 6:49pm
nasska

The BBC have just announced that the 13th Doctor Who will be female.

Details about the first episode have been leaked…….the Doctor crashes the Tardis into a comet whilst trying to reverse out from a moon.
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July 17, 2017 7:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I am unfamiliar with “swinging dicks”.

Could someone enlighten me (figuratively speaking)?
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July 17, 2017 8:39pm
- nasska
  
  Urban dictionary comes to the rescue Maggy. One definition of a “swinging dick”….
  
  …..”A big time mover and shaker, one who feels their self-importance to society is so high that they use extra starch on their shirts as if they were on their way to a Dracula convention.”……
  
  It’s not every day that the Leader of the Opposition flatters Winston in this way. 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2017 8:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tx….
    
    I would have been horrified if it had had some obscene meaning…… (then I definitely couldn’t vote Labour).
    
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    July 17, 2017 9:07pm
- MH
  
  I once heard it on an American WWII movie (post war) showing soldiers on parade marching and doing a fancy right turn on the move with the camera focussed on the groin area.
  
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  July 18, 2017 10:35am
Viking2

Never mind building houses for immigrants. How about we fix the fuck up that currently prevails. A disaster created by the Govt. the Greenies, and various others.

There is a silent epidemic spreading through our city. Its victims are ordinary people.

In our body corporate work my colleagues and I have first-hand experience of the suffering, hardship and extreme stress experienced by many owners of units in multi-title properties that are leaking and rotting and need recladding to meet stringent new local body requirements and the updated building code.

Many apartment owners are finding it impossible to fund the repairs of these compulsory building reclads, particularly if they are single or pensioners and not earning an income.

I’m talking about people in agony. These are very good people who are being forced to the wall and no one gives a stuff. I’ve talked to many of these owners. I’ve seen the absolute hopelessness in their eyes. They’re so bewildered. After nights of no sleep they eventually give up. No one is helping these people.
Much More:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11891827

I meet these people every day. I see them weep at meetings and I feel angry at their plight and very powerless. They can’t sleep at night. They don’t know who to turn to. Nobody is listening. Nobody cares. Nobody is fighting for these people. Everyone is pretending the problem doesn’t exist.
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July 17, 2017 8:42pm
- GazzaW
  
  What can be done Viking? I have an elderly mate who has been through the wringer at a time when he and his wife should have been comfortably retired. I’ve seen the toll that it has taken on his health and I thank our lucky stars every day that just by chance we built in brick and cedar with big eaves. I drive daily past apartment blocks displaying all the telltale signs of leaking and others covered in gladwrap where the owners have already bitten the bullet. What’s to be done? Auckland ratepayers are already paying hundreds of millions because the council officials did not do their job and as taxpayers we are paying out another slice. Why aren’t council officials being held to account & why aren’t the developers in court?
  
  Maybe WFP can make it another bottomline condition in coalition talks.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:14pm
GazzaW

Sir John Key – Order of Australia.

So many baubles -it’s just not fair is it Winston?

JK must be the first NZ politician to score the OA. The left will be fuming, can’t wait for the MSM to react (or not).
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July 17, 2017 8:55pm
- MCos
  
  Two other NZ politicians have been thus honoured, former PM Sir Geoffrey Palmer & former Deputy PM Sir Brian Talboys.
  Lofty company for each other.
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:51pm
Viking2

Political Roundup: Get ready for Prime Minister Winston Peters
17 Jul, 2017 6:19pm

Could Winston Peters be seeking out the role of Prime Minister?

The most interesting article on New Zealand First from the weekend was Audrey Young’s New Zealand First party leader Winston Peters: How the Kingmaker could become PM. This must-read feature explains how “At 72, the kingmaker of New Zealand politics could make a final play to snare the top job for himself”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891818

Now that would piss the Nice Mr key right off, especially if Winston retrieves Keys gong. 😆 😆
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July 17, 2017 9:13pm
- GazzaW
  
  No chance of that Viking, Winston is too ‘old school’ to play personal games of spite against a former PM. And from a pragmatic point of view John Key can open a lot of doors for Winston (or keep them closed) given his powerful international connections.
  
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  July 17, 2017 9:27pm
- KevOB
  
  It’s already announced globally:
  http://www.connorpost.com/
  
  What is going on?
  
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  July 17, 2017 10:43pm

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