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duggledog

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Was listening to National Radio’s ‘Focus On Politics’ last night.

Te Ururoa Flavell remarked that National didn’t need the MP in the past, and didn’t now but he appreciated the opportunity to be part of the Government on behalf of His People. So, why are the Racist Party there then?

Unlikely to be inside the tent post September Te Ururoa, so enjoy it while it lasts.
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July 16, 2017 8:04am
- GoVege
  
  Tell us one thing Flavell has done for “his people.”
  When David Cunliffe tried to raise the issue of family violence……Flavell joined in the mockery instead of speaking up on this issue that affects and harms Maori more than any other race.
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:24pm
Tookinator

If you are an AA Member (Automobile Association.)
You should have got your ‘AA Directions’ Magazine by now.
It is the most read magazine in NZ. (Nearly 1 Million readers.)
There is a feature story on me – Organ Donation (Page 26 & 27.)
You can also view the Feature Story online:
http://www.aa.co.nz/…/f…/change-makers/andy-tookey-givelife/
Or read the whole magazine in it’s printed format (PDF)
http://www.aa.co.nz/…/aa-directi…/aa-directions-winter-2017/
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July 16, 2017 8:16am
- calendar girl
  
  Well done, Andy. It’s a very worthwhile cause.
  
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  July 16, 2017 8:39am
  - G152
    
    A worthwhile cause!
    Even so the requirements for transplants are very strict.
    
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    July 16, 2017 8:56am
- lofty
  
  Well done Andy, and thanks for your efforts.
  I for one never knew the hurdles in place.
  It is a pleasure to meet you.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:12am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sorry but I can’t follow the links.
  Despite my having donor on my licence for the past 30 odd (very) years, I have informed my nearest and dearest that I no longer wish to be a donor.
  I do not however see why I should have to pay for a new licence to reflect that.
  
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  July 16, 2017 12:28pm
- cha
  
  Andy’s link is broken.
  
  http://www.aa.co.nz/membership/aa-directions/features/change-makers/andy-tookey-givelife/
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:40pm
  - Tookinator
    
    Thank cha…Don’t know what happened there…
    Now the link is up and working please read people – spread the word! It’s election year – I need the support to try and get change!
    
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    July 16, 2017 4:10pm
Paulus

Flavell does not have to worry –
Winston, as a real Ngapuhi, will sort out those pesky Maori.
Looking like the Kingmaker “again” – the media are backing that scenario with great consequences for Aotearoa wherever that is.
Since the media could not help Angry against himself then Winestoned will do.
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July 16, 2017 8:17am
Happychappy

Haven’t heard much from Andrew Little since their own poll figures were release and MSM so quiet on the fact of why they have not asked the Labour Leader why he Misled the public on the results and even went as far as to say that one was a rogue poll. How and why do the media keep going on Todd Barclay and they sweep under the carpet Slave gate the Mystery Donor and now Andrews eyesight on selective polls.
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July 16, 2017 8:21am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Andrew Little’s thoughts on polling is hardly a story. Glenys Dickson and Bill English texting and talking up to 10 times a day in the lead up to the pay out is.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94756508/heat-on-missinginaction-national-mp-todd-barclay-to-quit-and-front-up-to-police-inquiry
  
  No doubt the National Party wants this buried and the intimidation of journalists by the PM’s office and Parliamentary Services confirms this, but the fact is they’ve not been honest or transparent and that’s why the story continues.
  
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  July 16, 2017 8:47am
  - Happychappy
    
    So it is okay for you to support Poltical fraud and a Leader that tries to make a thing about strong leadership and lies and has been caught out three times since.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:05am
    - Muttonbird
      
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      It’s Bill English and the National Party which has been doing the lying. He does not look honest.
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:53am
      - GazzaW
        
        G’day ztev. Did you miss us?
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:30am
      - KevOB
        
        Get to deal with a real issue: where’s the donor who paid for the Yank interns? The disclosure is overdue.
        See if you can locate him in this nest of archived reports:
        
        Labour Interns
        https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzSYCyt06Oj8LWtxVTZ1UEk1ekk
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:56pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
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    The intensive lying that National is still doing about this (falsely claiming intimidation by reporters, falsely claiming Barclay is working in his electorate office, falsely claiming Barclay is answering journalists’ questions) suggests they know what deep shit they’d be in if journalists did actually get to interrogate Barclay.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:35am
    - Gabby
      
      Why don’t we know the name of the prymincer’s office guy who informed the journalists they’d been referred to the police It was a jerk move but the jerk gets to remain nameless for now.
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:33pm
      - KevOB
        
        You can tell a Labour electoral enthusiast from their vigorous abuse. The old unionist bashing practices. Elderly Labour women have beaten up non-supporters with umbrellas.
        
        Greens, fellow travellers, are much more civilised: they kill possums, don’t do thick ears and speak nicely.
        
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        July 16, 2017 1:00pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Oh hey Ztev ?
    
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    July 16, 2017 10:40am
  - Gabby
    
    But Bingles can’t remember that.
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:51pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    More like Mutton head.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:02pm
- Gabby
  
  Weaselton ‘s trying really hard to get a Puir Wee Toddy Baccy vibe going, but it’s a bit crappy isn’t it chappy.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:47am
Huevon

Acid attacks in London. Media obfuscate and omit details in their reporting. It must be Muslims.
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July 16, 2017 8:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The public must now be conditioned to “fill in the blanks” and to draw their own conclusions when easily obtainable information is omitted from articles.
  People aren’t stupid. They know what is going on, even if they won’t speak up about it (for fear of the consequences).
  
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  July 16, 2017 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  And politicians calling for regulation of corrosive subsbtances at the same time they don’t allow the cops to chase down the ferals . The politicians are to blame for the crime waves blighting Britain (and here) They did away with the death penalty , they did away with serious gaol time, they do everything they can to hug crims .And the media who make copy out of crime stories have always been behind or even ahead of the hug a crim fashion.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/15/acid-attacks-london-ministers-urged-take-action
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:13am
  - Inandout
    
    There is nothing so disgusting as acid attacks, and in Pakistan/India it is common in family disputes. For this to happen on the streets of London is almost unbelievable, and if it becomes the norm it will kill tourism dead. A tourist can be unluckily stabbed and likely recover, but disfigurement by acid is too horrible to contemplate. The very wealthy and influential must also at some time walk London’s streets, and I’ll wager that the first time they are victims we shall witness urgent law changes. Is it co incidence that since Mayor Khan took office, London has become more dangerous?
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:37am
    - Longknives
      
      C’mon Inandout- Terrorism is all ‘Part and Parcel’ of living in a big City dont you know?
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:59am
    - Inandout
      
      Mayor Kookla Khan will rue the day he made that statement.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:03am
      - Ross12
        
        He is not the on;y one –Macron and the former French PM said the same thing ( or at least a slight variation of it).
        
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        July 16, 2017 10:28am
- Psycho Milt
  
  It must be Muslims.
  
  The victims, you mean? Looks like it. So far the only named victim is Jabed Hussein. Victims of last month’s attack were Resham Khan and Jameel Mukhtar. Alleged perp in that attack was the not-very-Muslim-sounding John Tomlin.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:27am
  - calendar girl
    
    If the perpetrators of these attacks are not Muslims, the media are doing Muslims few favours by not providing any known information on characteristics of the attackers.
    
    On the evidence of so many atrocities over the last few years, the media can’t blame readers for simply drawing their own conclusions.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:42am
    - Gabby
      
      You mean not giving you the chance to screech ‘oh sure, highlight the christians why don’t you’.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:50am
      - CHFR
        
        Good to see Gabby and Milt think Muslims deserve these attacks. I for one do not care who the victim is the very fact these attacks are happening in London should be enough to make you pause and say no this is not good enough.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:09am
      - Gabby
        
        Good to see chfr continues to defy the efforts of adult literacy services.
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:31pm
    - MCos
      
      I would suggest the reason the media, including, last time I looked, Brietbart, Foxnews, the Sun, have not released their names is because the police haven’t. Probably because of their age, I expect.
      
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      July 16, 2017 11:52am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      If the perpetrators of these attacks are not Muslims, the media are doing Muslims few favours by not providing any known information on characteristics of the attackers.
      
      Indeed – how are you supposed to indulge your bigotry if the media doesn’t speculate about a criminal’s ethnicity? It’s not fair!
      
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      July 16, 2017 1:19pm
- VicParking
  
  If it had been anything other than a muslim their name would have been released and the MSM would be interviewing the suspects mother, teacher and social worker.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:41am
  - cha
    
    The best of British.
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:57pm
- Manolo
  
  Run of the mill stuff for the lovely followers of the religion of peace.
  
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  July 16, 2017 5:12pm
duggledog

Paulus, if the Media Party dislike a politician then you can almost guarantee that politician is worth a second look.

Last night TV1 News made a huge deal out of Trump & Macron ‘holding hands’ FFS the supposedly lofty maturity of the 4th Estate is an embarrassment.

World leaders hold the handshake a long time to give the stupid 4th Estate flunkies a decent chance to get their photos.

Again and again and again the media try to highlight awkward moments or body language to pummel the Hated One. Whether you like Trump or not it’s pathetic
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July 16, 2017 8:43am
- Inandout
  
  The completely fruit loop MSM in the US spend hours sifting through footage of Trump looking for the tiniest mistake or unusual movement. Our TV channels merely cut and paste, and probably rarely quote Fox news. I heard that CNN is in such deep shit viewer-wise that they are rerunning bargain bin ancient TV shows.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:52am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Clickbait and “likes” is what the infotainment industry is all about.
  24hr “news” has only resulted in the publics favourite subject, the weather, being front and centre.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:07am
- Viking2
  
  Interesting watching Trump. Meet people just like him .I sus pect that its his way of looking at the persons soul. The old saying is “the eyes are the window to the soul” and holding a person close allows you to do that. If they pull away then there is not a close relationship between the hand shakers.
  In NZ of course we shake hands across the paddock. It’ s our farming culture.
  
  Spent a lot of years door to door work and doing that you learn to watch peoples eyes and you can anticipate what they are going to say.
  
  Either that or he is has a sight problem or a hearing problem. But I think accessing a persons soul.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:45am
  - Gabby
    
    Or draining their life force.
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:27am
Peter

I see the Communist Party is set to unveil some massive benefit handout policy.

It’s their answer to everything. More dependence.
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July 16, 2017 8:59am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Here’s a dumb question.
  Would people of lower intelligence (who don’t consider the consequences) be more likely to “vote for free stuff” than more thoughtful voters who are concerned about how it is all to be paid for?
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:07am
  - Peter
    
    Given the backlash on Stuff to the mere suggestion of more bludger handouts, I suspect many people see through it.
    
    Many who don’t have got so idle, they are likely in the missing million and can’t be bothered getting out of bed to vote
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:13am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Never, has so much, been owed by so few, to so many, . . . . .
      
      with apologies to the author
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:19am
      - Prince
        
        Other way around, surely.
        
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        July 16, 2017 10:14am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No, the bludgers owe us, the majority of taxpayers, so much for our continued support
        
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        July 16, 2017 10:17am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Umm net taxpayers are only just in the majority and in a few years the massive breeding programmes of those enjoying the welfare lifestyle will mean that the minority are supporting the majority.
        
        If truth be told if those numbers on welfare, were added to those subsidised through WFF along with pensioners and ACC beneficiaries it’s hard to think net taxpayers would be in the majority right now.
        
        But by all means, let’s do as the Left says and add another 5000 unproductive refugees per year to accelerate the charge to the unsustainability of the welfare system.
        
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        July 16, 2017 10:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Absolutely right Odakyu-sen.
    There should be a minimum IQ test for the right to vote.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:22am
    - KevOB
      
      Plus: Age and relevant experience.
      
      List MP’s don’t have to show any credentials to those whom they are going to have to serve.
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:30am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      How about a ‘fairer’ alternative approach to voting.
      
      How about one vote per dollar of tax paid. You tax bill is huge – you have a big say in how the country is run. You are a ‘taker’ from the tax pot – you get no votes at all.
      
      Government is all about how the tax take is distributed, what could be fairer than the customer (ie those who are paying tax) having sole control over what product they’re paying for.
      
      Anything else looks like theft.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:41am
      - Gabby
        
        Superannuation would be minus dollars of course.
        
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        July 16, 2017 10:57am
      - jcuk
        
        Nevil Shute hd an answer with his seven vote system in “In the Wet” [?]
        Just fiction thank goodness .. hate to be ruled by the eggheads.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:12am
      - GazzaW
        
        Why would that be Gobby? Kiwis donated 157 million hours of voluntary work in 2016 and superannuitants provided a large chunk of those hours. Go ask your local hospitals, schools, hospices, social services, Citizen Advice Bureaus et al how they would manage without superannuitants’ voluntary work input. Some of us even work full or part-time (greedy buggers) as well – I do and pay enough tax to cover my super or alternatively enough to pay a bludger a quarter my age to lay in bed all day.
        
        So why shouldn’t we get the vote?
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:03pm
      - Gabby
        
        Guzzla wants an exemption for wrinklies because they do worthless volunteer work. The parasite.
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:24pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Gobby.
        Comments like that prove you are an ignorant little shit.
        Lift your game.
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:55pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Good one Gobby. Don says it all really. Let’s wait until you’re coughing your guts out in a hospice and then you can tell us how worthwhile voluntary service is to the community.
        
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        July 16, 2017 1:03pm
      - KevOB
        
        Too late. We were described in 1957 as being “the most genteel communist country in the world”. I don’t recall who said it but he was an internationally famous visitor to Teachers College.
        
        If we watch it, our welfare state works well. There is now a finely tuned negative income tax system.
        Tax is needed for public admin and security but also as welfare insurance.
        It is much cheaper for the state to provide that than any private party. Look at the US where that was encouraged; its a mess as greed has taken premiums beyond affordable.
        
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        July 16, 2017 1:19pm
      - Gabby
        
        Donkey wee wants to pretend that unpaid work has value. Fucking hell donkey, lay off the markist bedtime stories pinko.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:55pm
      - Gabby
        
        Guzzla wants a big girly kiss on the bottom for saving on the heating bill by getting out of the house. Trying to put the power companies out of business, then want voting rights for taking taxpayer handouts. Bloody sponging fart.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:59pm
    - Paulus
      
      No – voters should be New Zealand Citizens to vote in General Elections, and Council named Ratepayers in Local Government, as it used to be.
      
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      July 16, 2017 11:11am
      - MCos
        
        Are you aware that the Auckland Council only derive 41% of it’s income from rates?
        Not only that.
        Rates vary widely depending on property value.
        However, the unemployment problem in the bean counter industry would disappear if everyone’s vote had to be weighted depending on their monetary contribution to the city.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:39am
      - sooty
        
        That wold mean Penny would immediately ould have to give up all her bullshit, because she could not vote.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:50am
    - Gabby
      
      Adjusted downwards for grut crustiness of course.
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:27pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I wasn’t expecting “benefit fraud is OK” as the policy announcement though.
  
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  July 16, 2017 5:59pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I think she is about to find this ‘cleansing of the soul’ is going to backfire somewhat spectacularly!
    
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    July 16, 2017 8:09pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Judging by the smug look, bordering on pride, I think she thinks her fraud will go down well with the average taxpayer. That’s how deluded the woman is.
      
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      July 16, 2017 8:16pm
Swifty

I’d much prefer that they’d stop this fiddle-faddling around with prayer and went straight to sacrificing a goat….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94742451/exclusive-brethren-told-to-pray-for-bill-english-and-national-party-victory

….much more effective in my opinion.
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July 16, 2017 9:06am
- Inandout
  
  It is merely lobbying with prayer- help rather than ‘contributions’. I would love to be a fly on the wall of every NZ mosque and listen to which party they favour. As far as the Exclusives are concerned, Bill at least can count on a certain number of votes from that block. Poor old Angry has no such certainty from his followers.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:59am
- kowtow
  
  Speaking of which the out of touch Catholic bishops have issued their get out and vote nonsense.
  Apart from the pro life bit you’d swear it was the Green Party at prayer. A bundle of contradictions.
  
  http://www.catholic.org.nz/_uploads/_cknw/files/NZCBC%20Election%20Statement_web.pdf
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:12am
  - Gabby
    
    Those buggers! Inciting voting in a democracy! God hates voters!
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:22pm
    - kowtow
      
      You’d be bitching if the Left Footers got the numbers to ban abortion in a democracy.
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:29pm
- Viking2
  
  Well of course the Catholics will be supporting Bill and the Nats. as always.
  Why can’t others do the same. It was a free country with freedom of speech.
  Well that was until the socialists got sway. Vote the bastards out forever.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:49am
- KevOB
  
  Goats are so Old Testament.
  Many of us Christians feel compelled to pray about political choices. Non-Christians will not understand the power of the working of prayer. It will sound stupid but encounter it to believe.
  
  The Brethren are citizens and can do as they please.
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:29pm
CJames

For those that think that electric cars are the way of the future, this article by the UK electric grid operators has some real hard truths.
http://fes.nationalgrid.com/media/1221/forecourt-thoughts-v10.pdf
The electricity distribution network won’t cope with the load so there will be massive costs to upgrade all the wiring. There is also the practical problem of all those extension cords running out to cars having to park on the streets – think central Auckland or Wellington.
But then practical problems like those are no issue to the dreamers.
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July 16, 2017 9:17am
- Peter
  
  They said that about the Internet.
  
  If the benefits are there, the infrastructure gets funded to adapt.
  
  Roads will likely incorporate charging mechanisms.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:38am
  - CJames
    
    No it doesn’t Peter – the economics of uprating the electricity system (it includes the generators) means that the scheme is totally uneconomic.
    Roads incorporating charging mechanisms -wireless chargers or tolls? The first is unproven (very inefficient which doesn’t matter if it is doing your toothbrush but a bit different for 100kWh) and the second vote losing.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:47am
    - Peter
      
      The thing about the future is that it is difficult to predict. No one knows.
      
      If the benefit outweighs the costs, it typically comes to pass. I have no horse in this race, but it seems the anti-electric car arguments aren’t really arguments, but nit-picking based on current technology constraints.
      
      It’s the *trend* that is the important thing to watch.
      
      Technology advances. Electric cars are already here. Working well and are advancing far faster that petrol cars did. They won’t go away. The charging mechanisms will change and adapt, too.
      
      https://electrek.co/2016/12/24/tesla-supercharger-v3-over-350-off-grid-solar-powerpack-elon-musk/
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:22am
      - sooty
        
        Just imagine all of those power cords running out over the footpath.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:53am
    - Peter
      
      Why would there be power cords running out over the footpaths? Are there petrol hoses running out over the footpaths now?
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:15pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Perhaps there could be a battery swap system if it was quicker than waiting to recharge? Just pay for the ‘charge”?
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:39pm
  - kowtow
    
    They also said we could rely on “renewables”. Whose idea was it to close the coal stations?
    
    “Due to recent closures, there were few thermal power stations available to generate the power that hydro dams could not produce.
    
    Two of them are at Huntly, which were saved from imminent closure a year ago, to cope with situations such as this one.”
    
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331535/electricity-system-approaches-toughest-season
    
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    July 16, 2017 10:07am
    - Fletch
      
      Look at what happened in Australia. They closed many coal plants in an effort to appear green and for the ecology etc, and now Australians are suffering, to the point that one company shipped out hundreds of thousands of tons of liquefied natural gas during the middle of a blackout that cut power to tens of thousands of homes. And they still couldn’t meet demand.
      
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-energy-rich-australia-exported-its-way-into-an-energy-crisis-1499700859
      
      https://british-utilities.co.uk/2017/how-energy-rich-australia-exported-its-way-into-an-energy-crisis-marketwatch/
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:53pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It’s been 30 years and still no sign of the ‘paperless office’ that our betters promised us.
    
    Similarly I recall much talk of the 30 hour week once upon a time. The reality is that those few working and paying tax are now forced to do much more than the standard 40 hour week.
    
    Electric and driverless cars will be proven similarly to be nonsensical in the medium-term. I doubt many reading this blog will see majority use of either in their lifetimes while peak oil inconveniently continues to recede rapidly into the future.
    
    The nuttiness of burning fossil fuels to generate electricity so that cars can be charged-up to avoid burning fossil fuels is just vapid virtue-signalling on a grand scale.
    
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    July 16, 2017 10:48am
    - Viking2
      
      Cars and trucks and other conveyances will get better and smarter especially in the control dept.
      It will be a longtime before electrics are main stream because without subsidy they are essentially uneconomic. Even if they were the need for more dams will be stopped by the Greens and Whale and the building of more generators just to power cars along with the necessary infrastructure will simply make that more so.
      
      What is more possible is driver-less owner-less cars that are on call.
      I can see that happening in the not distant future especially in places like Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, Wellington and Christchurch.
      Enough people to warrant them and driver-less means no need for a taxi driver.
      Older people would be big users of these.
      If I had a taxi company or rental car company that’s where I would see my future.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:59am
      - Inandout
        
        I would be reluctant to hire a car which could barely get from Auckland to Hamilton without a recharge. Add to this the hirer being responsible for any damage to the battery banks by unauthorised recharging. Then there are the power outages caused by snow storms. No, I would rather have a petroleum powered vehicle with a range of 600kms.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:23am
      - Peter
        
        Most people don’t drive Auckland to Hamilton. The average drive distance per day is 29.7 km, which is well within the range of electric vehicles.
        
        Some electric models already exceed the range of petrol cars:
        http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/tesla-long-range-electric-car/
        
        Then it becomes a matter of charging time:
        
        https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/supercharger
        
        Rapidly decreasing.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:45am
      - CJames
        
        Peter
        Averages are a funny thing. the “average” car might do 10km per day Monday to Saturday and 60k on the Sunday with a 300k trip every month. You need to look at the extremes, not the average as that is what people buy on.
        I regularly drive Napier Taupo highway with the destination out in the wops. That driving can’t be done on an battery car They have put in recharging stations at Tarawera and Mohaka Bridge, but I wouldn’t want to spend half an hour sitting there waiting for them to charge.
        Overseas experience (Norway Denmark) show people only buy electric cars because of the subsidies. Take that away and sales stop. That shows they aren’t viable unless you are a virtue signaling SJW.
        
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        July 16, 2017 11:56am
      - Peter
        
        Averages are a funny thing. the “average” car might do 10km per day Monday to Saturday and 60k on the Sunday with a 300k trip every month. You need to look at the extremes, not the average as that is what people buy on.
        
        The range of a Tesla with 30 minute supercharging covers NZ. Not yet, but the tech is already there.
        
        aren’t viable unless you are a virtue signaling SJW.
        
        Ah, and there we have it. I’m no SJW. I couldn’t care less about the green religion. I have a V6 twin turbo. But this would leave it in the dust:
        
        http://www.rimac-automobili.com/en/
        
        For me, this is a question of technology and to a certain extent geopolitics i.e. less reliance on lunatic Middle Eastern states.
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:27pm
      - CJames
        
        Peter
        You read too many PR statements without any critical understanding. Tesla’s range is based on a full charge (100% of battery use). Fast chargers on Lithium batteries only go up to 80% charge, then they have to trickle up to full charge. If you go below 20% charge, you can do major damage to the batteries, significantly reducing their very limited life. That has halved your distance straight away.
        If I had to get an electric car, Tesla would be the last choice. They are plagued by battery fires and wheels falling off.
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/136377865@N05/sets/72157658490111523
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/136377865@N05/sets/72157662351494899/
        Like a lot of other things, this hasn’t been publicised because of very efficient PR and some blackmail.
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:40pm
      - Peter
        
        You read too many PR statements without any critical understanding.
        
        False. I’ve read a numerous industry analysis over the years. I counter your objections with facts and references, and you ignore them.
        
        Tesla’s range is based on a full charge (100% of battery use). Fast chargers on Lithium batteries only go up to 80% charge, then they have to trickle up to full charge. If you go below 20% charge, you can do major damage to the batteries, significantly reducing their very limited life. That has halved your distance straight away.
        If I had to get an electric car, Tesla would be the last choice. They are plagued by battery fires and wheels falling off.
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/136377865@N05/sets/72157658490111523
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/136377865@N05/sets/72157662351494899/
        Like a lot of other things, this hasn’t been publicised because of very efficient PR and some blackmail.
        
        Again, you’re cherry picking and introducing red herrings. No one is arguing electric cars are problem free. No car is problem free. Here’s a picture of a Ferrari catching fire. So what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYzJ21dIiM
        
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        July 16, 2017 12:53pm
      - cmm
        
        “Most people don’t drive Auckland to Hamilton. The average drive distance per day is 29.7 km, which is well within the range of electric vehicles. ”
        
        Nonsense.
        
        Most trips are short yes, but most people do drive Auckland to Hamilton distances once a month or more.
        
        Who would want to only have a car that works fine for going to work but is useless for weekends?
        
        Sure, you could hire one, but the hire companies don’t want a fleet of cars that they only rent out on week ends and holidays. That would drive up the cost of rentals.
        
        As for self-driving cars…. that’s a huge way off yet. The engineering to make one is a massive challenge. So far the “self driving” cars are not up to much and need constant human supervison or need highly constrained environments.
        
        The car automation industry still struggles to get some basic stuff right. Toyota was fined $1.2 billion a few years ago for screwing up the software that controls acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration#Sudden_Acceleration_in_Toyota_Vehicles
        
        If they can’t get acceleration right, then what’s the odds of getting complete vehicle control right?
        
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        July 16, 2017 2:31pm
    - Peter
      
      That just shows that predictions about the future are difficult.
      
      Electric cars are already here and already outperform petrol cars. They are therefore not “non-sensical”. https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/?redirect=no
      
      The trend is unmistakable. It’s not a question of if, it is when.
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:22pm
    - peterwn
      
      Comments from various quarters indicate some ignorance on the realities of running a power system.
      In some years hydro inflows will be less than average, so some top-up generation is needed and would normally be gas fired. Such generation needs to be of low capital cost while running costs are of secondary importance. The two remaining coal fired (they can run on gas as well and in practice run on half of each) units at Huntly are no longer ‘mainstream generation and on that basis Genesis does not need them for its purposes. Hence its proposal to scrap them. However other power companies (especially Meridian) needs further ‘firming’ capacity and it is obviously cheaper for Meridian to do a deal with Genesis to keep the Huntly coal fired machines available as this is the lowest capital cost option all round. However Genesis is not Mother Teresa so expects to make money for shareholders from keeping them. But on a previous occasion when Genesis provided bail-out power, other players cried ‘foul’ and the Electricity Authority refused to support the tariff that Genesis and other players accepted. So this time around Genesis played a bit hard to get and ensured that Electricity Authority agreed in principle before Genesis agreed to keep them available.
      So while on the odd occasion it could be argued that electric cars run indirectly on coal this would only happen on the odd occasion.
      
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      July 16, 2017 12:35pm
      - CJames
        
        That last sentence of yours isn’t correct Peter. At the present time, the renewables run and thermal makes up the difference. If there is a surplus, the thermals shut down. No water is spilled or other renewable plant dispatched off unless there is a grid problem. We use about 45TWh p.a. and the renewables can only provide about 35TWh. That is a lot of burn.
        That means that ALL additional load is made up by thermal plant. Maybe not straight away, but when the lakes have used that stored water, then. It could be by gas in the short term, but eventually, they fire up the Rankines on a coal/gas.
        
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- Peter
  
  Who says the cars will need to be charged from home? We don’t power our existing cars from home, but from stations.
  
  Who says that if they are charged from home, they will be charged off the existing grid? Perhaps the cars will incorporate solar cells in their body work. Perhaps cars won’t be owned privately anymore, but leased, like taxis. They may be driverless.
  
  The constraints and opportunities will be different.
  
  “IBM Chairman Thomas Watson’s famous 1943 quote that “… there is a world market for maybe five computers.”
  
  His error was ignoring the rate of technological development and projecting current constraints into the future. Peak Oilists made the same mistake.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:45am
  - CJames
    
    They also said we would have flying cars and travelling in hyperjets. That technology never took off, did it?
    People are very selective about their memories.
    Yes the future is not predictable, but the underlying fundamental laws of physics are. To travel needs a certain amount of energy. Objects like batteries and solar cells have fundamental science that limit their energy potential. Moore’s law isn’t a law, its just curve fitting from a limited data set. The same with people predicting the future of electric travel.
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:01pm
  - Peter
    
    They also said we would have flying cars and travelling in hyperjets. That technology never took off, did it?
    
    Missing my point. The point was why he got it wrong. The same reason the Peak Oilists got it wrong. He projected current constraints into the future and ignored development trends.
    
    There were no trends for flying cars. Still aren’t. There are scattered projects with absolutely no momentum.That isn’t the case with electric vehicles vs petrol vehicles.
    
    Objects like batteries and solar cells have fundamental science that limit their energy potential
    
    I’ve already demonstrated they can outperform petrol cars. Why pretend otherwise? The Telslas would already leave whatever you’re driving for dead and some of them exceed your range.
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:42pm
  - cmm
    
    “Who says the cars will need to be charged from home? We don’t power our existing cars from home, but from stations.”
    
    That is because with petrol/diesel you can transfer a lot of energy very quickly. Two minutes and you’ve transfered enough fuel for 500+ km of travel.
    
    Even with the most shitzen-blitzen electrical system, two minutes of charging won’t take you very far. The only system that can do this is flow batteries and nobody is using that.
    
    Tesla Supercharger can load up about 8km of distance per minute, but that needs 120kW of power. It takes about 45 minutes to “fill the tank”. That means an 8 bay charging station needs 1GW of power (about what it takes to power 1000 houses in NZ) and can only recharge 10 cars per hour. Do you really have 45 minutes to sit there doing nothing while your car charges? Do we have the amount of generation and power grid needed to charge vehicles?
    
    “Perhaps the cars will incorporate solar cells in their body work.”
    
    Ah, yes the tell-tale sign of someone that knows nothing about physics.
    
    Solar cells are less than 20% efficient (with a theoretical maximum efficiency of about 50%) , but for giggles we’ll allow you an amazing breakthrough in solar cell technology that gives you 100% efficiency. The MAXIMUM solar energy is approx 1kW/square metre and there’s maybe 6 square metres of area on a car. So absolutely best case (sun shining full-tit, 100% efficiency) and you’re getting 6kW. Put that through 80% efficient drive electronics, motors etc and we’re down to 4.8kW. That’s about 6.5 horse power. Less than the power in a well tuned moped.
    
    Of course if the sun is not shining (eg. dark, cloudy, surrounded by buildings) and you get a more realistic efficiency (15%), then you’re down to maybe 1 horsepower. I hope the family is fit and likes pushing!
    
    “IBM Chairman Thomas Watson’s famous 1943 quote that “… there is a world market for maybe five computers.”
    
    He was correct. There was only a market for about 5 of those computers. However there is a lot more market for other types of computer that have come since then.
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:01pm
    - CJames
      
      cmm – you have your units wrong. An 8 bay station need 1MW but the rest is correct.
      Also if you are charging at 120kW in a 90% efficient system (which is what they are), where does the heat go?
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:57pm
      - cmm
        
        Sorry yup, it is 1MW.
        
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        July 16, 2017 5:04pm
- Paulus
  
  Electric vehicles in the UK would require 14 new Nuclear Power stations to provide the country with enough Electricity for this undertaking.
  And the carbon footprint in this adventure would be enormous.
  
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  July 16, 2017 11:14am
  - holysheet
    
    Would not the diminishing use of fossil fueled vehicles compensate for the increase in the electric fueled carbon footprint? We could end up with no net change.
    
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    July 16, 2017 11:46am
kowtow

In Sweden yes , but Swedish ,definitely not.

Just as in Britain with the acid attacks ,when you import the people you also import their “cultural” practices, ain’t multiculturalism wonderful?

“Six people have been convicted of murder by a Swedish district court in an honour violence case in which a man was killed after having an affair with a married woman.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20170714/six-convicted-of-murder-in-swedish-honour-killing-case
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July 16, 2017 9:31am
dad4justice

This is unbelievable with youth suicide at an all time high , the nutcases that run our health system are beyond a sick joke. What a stuffed country crippled by an out of touch health system. God help our future generations.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/94448273/mike-king-blames-misinformed-campaign-after-his-speaking-invitation-to-schools-was-retracted
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July 16, 2017 9:36am
- VicParking
  
  I agree with you however Mike King is for Mike King. If things dont go his way he throws the toys out of the cot and scream injustice.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:47am
  - Biscuit
    
    That’s my view, too, VP.
    
    Mucho loud noises about youth suicide that saw him appointed to some panel or other – but threw a giant tanty when people just as (if not more qualified) than him came up with a going-forward plan that disagreed with his exalted one…
    
    Bet you he is still doing his school visits, though: anything to keep the King brand in the youth mind!
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:46pm
- kowtow
  
  He’s a prick, one minute taking money off the pork industry ,the next he’s trespassing on private property.
  And he’s not funny either .
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:50am
  - dad4justice
    
    Maybe Mike King is not a credible person and a role model advocate for highlighting such a sensitive subject as youth suicide? There must be a rational reason behind this move by the learned ones such as Annette Beautrais.
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:58am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The word “trough” springs instantly to mind as a ‘rational’ reason why the learned need to perpetuate their failures.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:43am
    - KevOB
      
      Are activists ever rational?
      
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      July 16, 2017 1:41pm
  - GoVege
    
    You mean coz he has compassion for sensitive highly intelligent closely related mammals such as pigs?
    He wasn’t trying to close down the pork industry.
    Just get it to keep pigs in humane conditions like other civilized countries do.
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:35pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sorry if I spoiled the digestion of your bacon and eggs but it’s the truth.
      
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      July 16, 2017 2:09pm
      - Gabby
        
        kobknob won’t touch meat that wasn’t traumatised before death.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’s funnier than kobknob and less porky also.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:46pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I watched Mike King on that Al Jazeera programme a few days ago. I had always thought of him as a supercilious prick. But I was surprised. That man has talent. I believe he has a way of getting through to young people that the highly educated pointy heads of the psychiatry industry do not. In a, possibly crass, manner that will annoy some people I can see how he connects with the teenagers. That is a talent that must not be wasted. He is able to use self deprecating humour in a glorious manner. And it is the wise use of that humour that is telling. Something the psychiatry industry leaders would have no show of doing.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:06am
  - Jack5
    
    Tauhei, Mike King is genuine in his admirable and worthwhile mission, but I’m not sure about your mention of the “psychiatry industry”.
    
    Is youth suicide a psychiatric problem? Are people who commit suicide mentally ill? I don’t think you can make that jump.
    
    Even when those who commit suicide have been mentally ill, there is a problem. Suicide usually cannot be predicted even when threatened. If in each case where there was possible suicide as the outcome, hospitals then put that patient under close watch, or cover, or restraint, the civil liberties people would be in an uproar, the cost would be prohibitive, and all potential cases couldn’t be picked up any way.
    
    Meanwhile, NZ’s youth suicide numbers are sadly far too high, but I’m sceptical about claims the rate in NZ is “highest in the world” or “highest in the developed world” or “highest in the OECD”.
    
    The sources are hard to pin down and when you do find them, sometimes the data is quite old. Then, they rely on the different reporting standards and classifications of each country covered.
    
    It’s interesting, though, that some of the Scandinavian countries, with similar living standards, political systems, culture, and genetics (except for our Polynesian and Asian minorities) seem to rank close to NZ in youth suicide numbers.
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:14pm
  - RF
    
    What’s going on with left. Just a bunch of criminals.
    
    The mother of Carmel Sepuloni was recently prosecuted for benefit fraud and now we have the obese co leader of the greens admitting to benefit fraud.
    
    What a dodgy bunch of no hopers.
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:17pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Beautrais has been working in suicide prevention for years. Her results speak for themselves. (No pun intended) Time for this proven failure to sit down and shut up while we try a new approach. Lives depend on it.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:32am
  - Jack5
    
    To catch up with the discussion here on suicide, I Googled Beautrais and the link below gives a few details.
    
    The mentioned Professor David Fergusson, of Otago, now retired, is a psychologist, not a psychiatrist (if that is relevant), and has done a great job with the great Christchurch Youth and Development Study that has followed 1200 Canterbury folk over several decades.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/our-hidden-tragedy/4015206/Suicide-expert-quits-country-in-despair
    
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    July 16, 2017 12:23pm
    - itstricky
      
      Jack, instead of Googling stuff, why aren’t you out with your 4 x mates creating the next best thing in web technology?
      
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      July 16, 2017 4:27pm
waikatogirl

Winston promises a new version of the Gold Card for disabled NZ’ers, many of whom persist despite their disability on working and supporting themselves, without help from the welfare state. Winston wants to give those disabled assistance with reduced travel costs, etc.

Great policy. I don’t have a problem helping those who help themselves.
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July 16, 2017 10:26am
- cmm
  
  But you know how this will go…
  
  Perfectly able people will see this as another bludge they can exploit.
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:04pm
starboard

Bob Jones, love his no nonsense no bullshit approach to beggars.

“This week’s NZCPR Guest Commentator, Sir Robert Jones, who has long been outspoken about the need to ban begging, has taken exception to a lawyer’s claim that a city council’s begging by-laws breached a beggar’s freedom of expression. Sir Bob states:

“Freedom of expression… applies to pro-active dissent, not the eye-sore inertia of bums despoiling our cities, lying about with begging signs.

“To date this year to my knowledge, backed by the police in Henderson, Auckland, Hamilton, Napier, Palmerston North, Porirua, and Christchurch, the public have complained bitterly about these mainly Maori males around 30 years old, sprawled about our streets begging via signs. Numerous incidents have been reported of their threatening folk using ATMs. None have the gall to assert on their cardboard ‘fundamental expressions of speech’, that they’re hungry, given their common characteristic of obesity.

“That said, all praise to the Napier city councillors who, rather than wringing their hands and mouthing platitudes, as with Wellington’s Council, have declared war on these parasites. And credit to the police and also the judge who threw one of these no-goods in prison for a month for fraud, his sign falsely claiming he was homeless.”
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July 16, 2017 10:26am
- GoVege
  
  Bit unkind Starboard.
  If you were kicked out of home at 13 to make way for mum’s latest cash earners, you might be living on the street yourself at 30.
  Is it the fault of these guys their parents /culture won’t practise contraception?
  
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  July 16, 2017 12:47pm
  - starboard
    
    If someones seriously in need of help there are government departments these bums and stiffs can waddle along to. All the help in the world, especially for the ‘specials’. There is simply no reason to beg in NZ.
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:10pm
    - GoVege
      
      We don’t really know that starboard because we don’t know what kind of life they have experienced.
      I know people who have suffered terrible abuse and neglect in godzone so I prefer not to be too judgemental.
      
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      July 16, 2017 2:06pm
  - KevOB
    
    I have known one professional beggar and he reckoned to make $150 for limited daily hours. He was a bit disabled and had a wife and six children at home all state supported as well.
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:47pm
    - RF
      
      One scrote claiming to be homeless used to drive to a large supermarket and park up. He would then get a friend to drop him off at a busy central city street just before lunch so he could set up his begging patch.
      
      He would then either walk back to his car or get picked up around 3pm. He then returned to his home in the suburbs.
      
      Eventually the supermarket trolly guy became suspicious and the Police were called.
      
      Not sure of the outcome but he has not been seen since.
      
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      July 16, 2017 2:10pm
      - Gabby
        
        You didn’t break his fingers did you rf rf?
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:42pm
      - RF
        
        Gabby.
        
        Snapped like a dry twing. Quicker than waterboarding.
        
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        July 16, 2017 8:52pm
      - Gabby
        
        Waterboarding’s complicated rf rf, way past your pay grade. Bit of assault, piece of piss.
        
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        July 16, 2017 9:24pm
starboard

..and Brian Gaynor hits the spot on bureaucratic red tape

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2017/07/brian-gaynor-red-tape-tying-business-in.html
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July 16, 2017 10:31am
- Manolo
  
  Not to worry. Labour-lite’s English will deliver us from evil. Tui ad.
  
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  July 16, 2017 11:16am
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. I said it before, and I’ll say it again, as when I first posted Gaynor’s same article when it was printed in the NZ Herald a few weeks ago, when he writes…
  
  Herein rests one of the problems: we swing dramatically from too little to too much regulation, based on one or two high-profile incidents. Rules-addicted ministers and officials introduce a raft of rules and regulations with limited explanation, no obvious cost/benefit analysis and little concern for the costs they impose on businesses
  
  As part of the MSM, Gaynor is part of that problem. For example, the coverage of Pike River (remember in the first few days hound dog face Peter Whittall with his sad eyes was the subject of media sympathy – despite being the boss of a mine that had exploded due too excess methane levels?!) and also the CCTV building collapse were abysmal, right from the start…and it continues to be that way, focusing on the sensational and/or emotive. And as a result of the beat-up, politicians feel obliged to act, or exploit the narrative that has been set.
  
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  July 16, 2017 12:14pm
Manolo

The new Muslim sultan celebrates:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-dismisses-over-7-000-police-soldiers-ministry-194905886.html
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July 16, 2017 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  He can’t last surely with so many newly formed enemies.
  
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  July 16, 2017 11:32am
Johnboy

The creatures of the left at Stuff are starting to get desperate:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94742451/exclusive-brethren-told-to-pray-for-bill-english-and-national-party-victory

I bet Nicky is working flat out to get his latest novel (Showing Bruce Hales and the Pope are working together for a Nats victory using Bill as their go-between) into print by election time. 🙂
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July 16, 2017 11:17am
Shawn Herles

‘Judicial Submission: Top Australian Law School Teaches Sharia Law ‘Benefits’’

“Australia’s most prestigious law school accommodates two courses which call for elements of sharia law to be incorporated in the mainstream legal system — including allowances for polygamy and lowering the age of consent to end opposition to child marriage. ”

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/07/14/top-australian-law-school-teaches-sharia-law-benefits/

How long before this kind of shite hits NZ?

And who do you think is most like to stand against it? National, Labour, and the Greens or NZ First?
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July 16, 2017 12:57pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Oh, definitely NZ First. The other parties are competent to recognise that the government doesn’t get to tell university academics what textbooks they’re allowed to use, but NZ First MPs are natural-born authoritarians.
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:30pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    ” The other parties are” morally bankrupt and gutless enough not to care about the promotion of a legal system that allows for jihad, polygamy and child marriage.
    
    There, fixed it for you. 🙂
    
    “but NZ First MPs are natural-born authoritarians.”
    
    Liberalism+Islam is the disease. Authoritarian conservative nationalism is the cure.
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:40pm
- Gabby
  
  Brightfart? It’ll be bullshit.
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:41pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    You did some research and found the story was incorrect? No? I didn’t think so. 🙂
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:46pm
    - Gabby
      
      Shawnly seeing it was a brightfart piece alerted you to its shitness?
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:22pm
backster

I agree with Starboard (and Gaynor) the proliferation of rules and regulations designed to kneecap business instituted by National in the last few years defies belief. The most recent being an idiot McLay positively gloating recently that he had caught out NZs most successful international company Mainfreight for breaching some minor employment rule and threatening other companies in the process. I am sure at one stage KEY had nominated a Minister to reduce red tape. Never heard of it again Deep State won.
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July 16, 2017 12:58pm
Viking2

Benefit raise, tax cuts for poorest and hikes for wealthy in new Greens policy

Benefit sanctions will be lifted, the poorest taxed less and the richest more, while a Green Party in Government would also seek to raise all benefits by 20 per cent.

In a bold new policy launch, Greens co-leader Metiria Turei has also revealed she lied to her case workers when she was a solo mum, studying a law degree, while collecting the Domestic Purposes Benefit.

Speaking to a fervent core base of party faithful, Turei told the conference of her parents’ struggle to find work and her own battle as a mum on the DPB, lying to the state about how many people were living in her house.
The Greens would change the Working for Families “in-work tax credit” to a Children’s Payment that goes to all families who currently qualified for it. The current qualification thresholds would not be changed.

The poorest families could receive up to $72 a week extra as a result, on top of changes to tax thresholds and the minimum wage.

Those changes would include reducing the bottom tax rate from 10.5 per cent to 9 per cent for anyone earning less than $14,000, while anyone earning more than $150,000 per year will have their tax rate hiked from 33 per cent to 40 per cent – expected to generate about $605m in revenue.

Now that will win lots of friends for sure. All the uni Professors will vote for them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94777073/benefit-raise-tax-cuts-for-poorest-and-hikes-for-wealthy-in-news-greens-policy?cid=facebook.post.94777073

“What I have never told you before is the lie I had to tell to keep my financial life under control,” she told the party.

“Because despite all the help I was getting, I could not afford to live, study and keep my baby well without keeping a secret from [Work and Income NZ].”

She and her daughter were forced to move around a lot; five different flats with various people.

“In three of those flats I had extra flatmates, who paid rent, but I didn’t tell Winz. I didn’t dare.”

So Turei said she was announcing “the most fundamental changes to our welfare system in 30 years”.

Oh dear.
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July 16, 2017 1:21pm
- starboard
  
  So Turei is a liar and a thief? Nice.
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:31pm
  - RF
    
    Time for Graham McCready to step in and take a private prosecution. Of course that’s if WINZ are too gutless.
    
    The Green slug must be prosecuted and repay what she defrauded the Dept. That should be easy as it’s all on file.
    
    FFS is she proud of this…….
    
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    July 16, 2017 1:57pm
    - Peter
      
      No, no, no. It’s not her fault. It’s the systems fault. For making her do it. She said so, therefore it is.
      
      You just couldn’t make this up.
      
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      July 16, 2017 2:08pm
  - RF
    
    She believes it’s ok as she only lied.
    
    FFS she has a bloody law degree.
    
    I believe this is going to bite her on her fat arse.
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:19pm
    - Peter
      
      I suspect this is – in part – the result of the media going easy on them for so many years. Green politicians get used to the fawning and the easy ride. Get complacent. Get loose.
      
      But when the slightest bit of pressure comes on, the fall can be long and hard.
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:37pm
    - itstricky
      
      bite her on her fat arse
      
      KEEPING STOCK! WHERE ARE YOU?
      
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      July 16, 2017 4:23pm
      - RF
        
        Sorry Itstricky….
        
        KS has to wait his turn. I have first bite.
        
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        July 16, 2017 4:59pm
    - Gabby
      
      You could break her fingers with your hairy paws couldn’t you rf rf. That’d learn ‘er.
      
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      July 16, 2017 6:37pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Has she at least paid the amount she defrauded the taxpayer back since she began receiving her decent salary as a Gweeens MP?
    
    No, thought not! ?
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:20pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Seems she is prepared to face the consequences:
      
      Green Party Metiria Turei concedes she could still be charged with fraud after she admitting to lying to authorities to keep her benefit.
      
      In her biggest speech of the year, Turei made the extraordinary confession while announcing her party’s plans to dramatically reform New Zealand’s welfare system.
      
      Speaking at the Green Party AGM in Auckland, she said that as a solo mother on a benefit she did not tell Work and Income NZ that she had extra flatmates who were paying rent.
      
      At a press conference afterwards, Turei said she could still face consequences for her illegal behaviour 24 years ago.
      
      “It is possible that WINZ could do an investigation into my case and I could be charged.
      
      “I personally feel I have a responsibility to tell it how it is, because other people don’t have the privileged position that I do.”…
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891306
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:24pm
      - niggly
        
        Well fairs fair – if the Police had to investigate Barclay and his “illegal”recording, then to be seen as impartial the Police will have no choice but to investigate Turei, surely?
        
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        July 16, 2017 5:58pm
- KevOB
  
  Historic offense. To be fair to the others prosecuted for historic crimes she should be too.
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:51pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Has she ever lied about this in the past?
    
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    July 17, 2017 12:02am
- Shawn Herles
  
  National has already raised benefits and is providing more support for working families and their children. I agree with those changes, and despite being critical of National over some issues, their policies in this area have impressed me. But Bill English has also been wise enough to understand that you have to have some stick along with the carrot. Turei’s plan is all carrot and no stick, and the long term consequences will not be less poverty and welfare dependency, but more.
  
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  July 16, 2017 1:54pm
  - Scorpion
    
    I am Voting Winston
    and You know where you can stick your
    STICK and your Carrot
    
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    July 16, 2017 10:24pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So vote for Slavelabour and this is what we get.
  Two ticks blue.
  Do I need to repeat that?
  
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  July 16, 2017 2:51pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    National may be good in one area, but that does not cancel out all the other areas where they are badly wrong. Double ticking National is just voting for more liberal globalism, more mass immigration, and more PC crap.
    
    One tick National, one tick NZ First.
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:08pm
  - Gabby
    
    No but you will crusty gruts. You’ll forget having mentioned it.
    
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    July 17, 2017 10:18am
Longknives

Turei has smugly admitted to and bragged about Historic Criminal Offending- This is fucking disgraceful for someone aspiring to lead our Country.
Anyone know the Statute of Limitations for Benefit fraud? And what we as concerned/disgusted Taxpayers can do to get the wheels rolling on some kind of Investigation??
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July 16, 2017 2:09pm
- cha
  
  I think it’s ten years for offences punishable by a fine of less than $2,000 or a prison sentence of less than three years.
  
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  July 16, 2017 2:22pm
  - RF
    
    No limitation for fraud in NZ. Can be either a criminal or civil prosecution so Police or McCready can take action.
    
    Her goose is cooked. Stupid bitch just had to open her big gob.
    
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    July 16, 2017 2:38pm
    - holysheet
      
      She has certainly found out how to live off the taxpayers dime since being on the DPB. One look and you can see she hasn’t got a clue about controlling the food intake.
      Who would be dumb enough to admit to benefit fraud. Did she get her law degree from the same place Angry got his? Both would have been useless lawyers.
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:25pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Lol. You just described Bennett. Difference being Turei isn’t a ladder-kicker.
        
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        July 16, 2017 4:19pm
      - Gabby
        
        It’s glands with you isn’t it wholly. Shit.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:31pm
    - KevOB
      
      She should now resign.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:47pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Will we see the same vitriol that was thrown at Bennett for her “alleged” benefit transgressions now thrown at Turei for her admitted fraud?
  
  (hypothetical question: I already know the answer).
  
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  July 16, 2017 2:41pm
  - cha
    
    I already know the answer
    
    Cease and desist….?
    
    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/bennett-claims-harassment-lawyers-031925676–spt.html
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:26pm
  - Flash
    
    People have been throwing vitriol at Paula Bennet for the past 6 years.
    I hope that’s the answer you already know.
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:59pm
  - Gabby
    
    There’ll be plenty of vitriol from the usual suspects.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:30pm
- Rich Prick
  
  A self-confessed benefit fraudster wants to be in charge of dishing out the benefits, only the Greens could harbour such contempt for the taxpayer.
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:16pm
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. At least she’s more honest than Todd Barclay. And she was responsible for a hell of a lot less than him when she did it. Seriously!
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:19pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Ssssh! didn’t you get the memo. Nobody talks about the lefts’ criminal indiscretions. ?
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:23pm
  - holysheet
    
    She is thick as pig shit. She holds this fraud as a badge of honor. If the lowlife ferals see an MP admitting to benefit fraud and is seen as getting away with it, then every bludger will be doing the same from now on. She needs to be prosecuted to prevent other thickos from doing the same.
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:32pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Meh. Both sides grizzle “it’s not fair/it’s political favouritism” when one of their own is caught breaking the law:
      
      Mr McCully told Parliament the public could not understand how police could find time to do an “instantaneous investigation” into Mr Ardern when they could not investigate burglaries, assaults and other serious crimes.
      
      “I have a message for the Commissioner of Police – get a grip,” Mr McCully said.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3522909
      
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      July 16, 2017 3:37pm
    - RF
      
      This is not sorry I mis-spoke and see you later, it’s a bloody Crimes Act offence.
      
      The outcome can be very serious unless you like surprise sex in a communal shower.
      
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      July 16, 2017 4:49pm
    - Gabby
      
      She and Puller could whip theirs out at the same time, see whose is bigger.
      
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      July 16, 2017 7:32pm
    - KevOB
      
      Pride goes before a fall.
      
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      July 16, 2017 10:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    Some wakkos talk about little else.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:28pm
- Fletch
  
  The only reason she is admitting to it now is that it serves her political purposes to paint herself as a victim at the time and deserving of sympathy; the same as all the other potential Green ~~victims~~ voters now.
  
  That seems to be the only strategy the Left has now – offering money to groups from whom they want votes. (See Andrew Little’s $60 ‘baby-bonus’ from last week). It’s Helen’s interest-free student bribe all over again.
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:17pm
- Gabby
  
  Didn’t Ponyboy admit to being a thief?
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:32pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No
    
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    July 16, 2017 8:50pm
    - Gabby
      
      Pretty sure he did Puller,
      
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      July 16, 2017 9:18pm
cha

Donnie jnr knew he was in the shit well before the shoe dropped.

The Trump campaign began paying Don Jr's lawyer about two weeks before the email story broke, per new FEC filing pic.twitter.com/F0ifZ3q2Xw— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) July 15, 2017

http://www.newsweek.com/could-donald-jr-kushner-and-manafort-go-jail-russia-meeting-you-bet-they-can-636836
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July 16, 2017 2:33pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  ‘Forget Don Jr.’s email — it’s Hillary Clinton who ‘colluded’ with Russia’
  
  ” Bill Clinton had given a $500,000 speech in Russia. Clinton had given her approval in handing one-fifth of U.S. uranium to Russia, after which her foundation received $2.35 million from the Russian-controlled company. Suspiciously, Clinton did not disclose the transaction.”
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/341493-opinion-forget-don-jrs-email-its-hillary-clinton-who-colluded-with
  
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  July 16, 2017 3:12pm
  - cha
    
    A his and hers perp walk…….
    
    The SF-86 requires declaration of all foreign contacts by the clearance holder "or your spouse." Ivanka Trump's spouse is Jared Kushner. 3/ pic.twitter.com/t7nxwrEqdC— Rep. Don Beyer (@RepDonBeyer) July 14, 2017
    
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/14/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-russia-democrats-240569
    
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    July 16, 2017 3:21pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Did you actually read that Newsweek article? Talk about stretch into Collusion Delusion.
  Anyway, enjoy your virtual Nothing Burger ?while Professor Dershowitz explains why information has no value.
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5509128108001/?#sp=show-clips
  And
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5505121561001/?#sp=show-clips/primetime
  
  Gosh, imagine if the MSM looked into the affairs of the Clinton’s- nah, never happen.
  
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  July 16, 2017 4:25pm
  - cha
    
    Donnie T’s frequent flier bro would say that.
    
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    July 16, 2017 4:35pm
Nostradamus

‘Proper going for it’: Couple’s mile high sex romp leaves plane passenger sour – others wanted better view

The tourist said he boarded the EZY1917 service at 7.10am on Monday and was revolted when the man and women adjacent to him began their romp, the Daily Mail reported.

He said:

“Well done @easyjet – got on my flight from Manchester to Alicante and what happened during the flight? The man and woman sat next to me proper going for it…and not even being discreet!

My particular favourites from the whole experience was that the 2 elderly women sat opposite, whilst distracting (I presume their about 5 year-old granddaughter) so she didn’t see it, couldn’t get enough of it – eyes popping out of their head with disbelief but still having a good nosey.

Oh yeah, and the fella sat in front of them who even had the cheek of tell me to move my head so he could get a better look. My eyes have never been so glued to my iPad so much! 1-0 Brits abroad”.

Strange. Usually when you pay for something (like an air ticket), and get more than you paid for, you feel like you’ve got a bargain!
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July 16, 2017 4:20pm
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July 16, 2017 4:27pm
cha

Ramzan Kadyrov, Putie’s Islamic bestie –

3. In an interview with @RealSportsHBO one of Putin's biggest allies says "we will put the world on its knees and screw it from behind." pic.twitter.com/nYpu78nDDy— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 14, 2017

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/885889470595297280
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July 16, 2017 4:27pm
renderer

The Bright woman posts from the Hague:
“A bit short of money now after spending 70 Euros ($105 NZ) on a sports massage for my back yesterday.
I’ve got about 30 Euros cash & $7 in my Kiwibank account.
Would really appreciate a $100 for tomorrow to help tide me over?
(Also got a $230 mobile phone bill coming up soon 🙁
If anyone can help – that would be GREAT ”

One of the supporters is “waiting for next pay” to donate to the cause
This woman is a complete fraud pretending to be the next great thing and sucking money off people who dont seem to know any better.
While she is bashing on about the corruption and lack of transparency, she is a shining example of how the left manage to rip each other off without so much as batting an eyelid
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July 16, 2017 4:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Renderer:
  
  You mean she’s not “self-funded” like she’s been telling us?
  
  The rates dodger also said this:
  
  I’m happy that I more than ‘accomplished my mission’.
  
  Internationally, at the highest levels, ‘Rule of Law’ experts now have a much greater understanding of New Zealand’s corruption REALITY, and how meaningless is the Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ – if they can get it SO wrong for NZ – which is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark).
  
  She’s an idiot.
  
  Even the World Justice Project Rule of Law Index, which she’s so keen on, ranked New Zealand as 8 in its 2016 report. And Denmark, which she also mentions, is ranked 1! Fairly similar to the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index then!
  
  But, on more significant matters, that 70 Euros ($105 NZ) on a sports massage would have been more usefully spent on a bath in one of those deep-cleansing beauty spa places!
  
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  July 16, 2017 4:57pm
  - wiseowl
    
    She should contact Soros while she is there.
    
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    July 16, 2017 5:29pm
    - sooty
      
      So she will be eating all of the sausage rolls at the trough, to tide her over till she hops on the plane.
      
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      July 16, 2017 6:53pm
  - KevOB
    
    She is corrupt not paying her due rates.
    
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    July 16, 2017 10:52pm
dad4justice

Well Winston just gets better and better with sane thinking kiwi’s.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/peters-vows-to-drastically-reduce-immigration/ar-BBEuw4k?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=UP97DHP
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July 16, 2017 5:02pm
- Kimbo
  
  Um, like how he promised to “cut immigration to the bone” in every campaign since 1996, and failed to deliver on the two occasions he actually went into government?
  
  But maybe your definition of “better” and sane thinking” is different from mine. Just out of interest, how would the re-build in your town of Christchurch go if we restricted immigration to 10,000?
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:11pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Yes Kimbo I would order the 90 thousand young kiwi born parasites to help with the rebuild in Christchurch.
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/93170524/90000-young-kiwis-have-no-job-no-training-to-go-to
    
    Surely my idea makes sense Kimbo?
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:16pm
    - Kimbo
      
      No. Not when it would take too long to train them. And I’ll let that shill of an emphatic adverb “surely” go for the moment, d4j, because I like you 😉
      
      Plus, if you want to get a job, a good job, there is a generous government-subsidised scheme called a student loan. Train to be a chippie, chef, sparkie, doctor, whatever. Go for it. Farting around looking to deliver pizzas is no job for the future, other than using it as a stepping stone via an entry on your CV.
      
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      July 16, 2017 6:25pm
      - dad4justice
        
        So you would be happier to let skilled muslim bomb makers in rather than train kiwi born and bred? Got any kids Kimbo?
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm. I fear your question looks suspiciously like a variation on “have you stopped beating your wife?” On that basis, can we assign your (in)ability to use logic as that of the average Winston Peters -voter? 😉
        
        Mind you, your vote is equal to mine so on that basis I guess we both have reason to be equally depressed 😉 Good on you, d4j, at least you know what you like, which is a pleasure many in life never attain.
        
        And yes. And I wouldn’t be happy with her if her ambition was to be a pizza delivery driver. She is on schedule to graduate with her LLB at the end of the year. Not that she needed me to give her ambition.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:33pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Good stuff with your daughter and just for the record I have always voted National, however Winston just ticks all the boxes for me this year. National are a bunch of maori and muslim loving gutless pc wimps. They make me sick.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I note, however, that you’ve ignored my point that Winston Peters failed to deliver on his “cut migration to the bone” promise the last two times he bargained for the baubles.
        
        So why would you believe him this time, let alone think that the “bunch of maori loving pc wimps” (mostly likely National) would ever give that concession to him?
        
        But as I said, it’s your vote to ~~waste~~ cast as you see fit…
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:43pm
      - dad4justice
        
        So you are happy that National and Labour have given over 70 billion to the greedy maori? Why does a white man bother paying tax in this racist country?
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:46pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, no, d4j. Kindly don’t play the “Chuck Bird” game with me, especially when you’ve “called me out” as it were. I’ve been up front and answered your question…now it is poor form for you to go on demanding more answers…when you haven’t reciprocated. Please don’t make me ask a third time.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:56pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Oh right Kimberly go do your nails or blow dry your hair you pathetic keyboard coward, sadly deluded jokes like you riding a high horse of paranoia are beyond sympathy.
        
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        July 16, 2017 7:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        OK, so can I take that as “no, I have no idea how Peters, having failed to deliver on his ‘cut immigration to the bone’ promise on two previous occasions can and should be trusted a third time”? 😉
        
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        July 16, 2017 7:06pm
    - srylands
      
      You can’t “order” the unemployed to move to Christchurch and work. You can of course cut off their benefit if they refuse.
      
      However, in practice, no employer is going to want a surly drug addled young person who doesn’t want to be there. It is simply unworkable. Fixing the problem that has created this army of unemployable people is something for society to fix, not the employers of Christchurch. We all know how it has come about.
      
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      July 16, 2017 6:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        We all know how it has come about.
        
        When we abolished regional economic development, national industry awards and employment-making schemes like “Think Big”…you know, because once that was economic and social orthodoxy, and it was considered a government’s basic duty to provide an environment in which full employment and a livable wage was possible for everyone. Now I’m sounding like Winston Peters… 😉
        
        But yes, I do remember advising one businessman who was in favour of “compulsory training and job experience for the long-term unemployed” that it would likely entail him having to take on some semi-literate P addict to do his filing…and suddenly it wasn’t such an attractive proposition. 😉
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:51pm
      - dad4justice
        
        “Think Big” Bring back Sir Rob FFS. The entire National Party wouldn’t have a clue on what that meant.
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        As I post regularly, the time will come when Muldoon will be reassessed more kindly. Currently, for self-serving reasons Muldoon is a scapegoat for both the left and right.
        
        But the fascinating thing is that you are now going to vote for his political successor, indeed protege, Winston Peters…
        
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        July 16, 2017 6:58pm
      - Gabby
        
        Society doesn’t include employers. Who else doesn’t society include.
        
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        July 16, 2017 9:15pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “But maybe your definition of “better” and sane thinking” is different from mine.”
    
    Well, given that you think Muslims are the modern equivalent of the misunderstood Irish, and that the answer to waves of Islamic terrorist attacks is to do nothing of substance, then it’s safe to say that most peoples definition of “better” and “sane” is different to yours Kimberly. 🙂
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:17pm
Nostradamus

The Greens – ‘Mending the Safety Net’ package

• Increase all core benefits cent (Jobseeker Support, Sole Parent Support, Supported Living Payments, Student Allowances) by 20 per cent.
• Reduce the bottom tax rate from 10.5 to 9 per cent for people earning less than $14,000 per year.
• Raise the top tax rate to 40 per cent for people earning more than $150,000 per year.
• Raise the minimum wage from $15.75 to $17.75 in the first year, and eventually to 66 per cent of the average wage.
• Scrap the In Work Tax Credit and create a children’s credit for low-income families worth $72 per week
• Lift the amount people can earn to $200 before their benefit is reduced.

Ok, maybe I’m slow, but if the lowest-skilled job earns 66% of the average wage, then how long will it take before the New Zealand economy collapses?
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July 16, 2017 5:07pm
- srylands
  
  And this is why they simply could never work with National. They are a Communist Party with environmental credentials as camouflage.
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:51pm
- Gabby
  
  What? It’s already around 65%.
  
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  July 16, 2017 7:17pm
- KevOB
  
  It’s a recipe for unemployment increasing the minimum wage so.
  
  The watermelon has been peeled.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:55pm
Manolo

The Family gives the nod:
http://pagesix.com/2017/07/15/kamala-harris-meets-with-democratic-elite-in-hamptons/?_ga=2.135270648.83988435.1499904591-1273024653.1499904591
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July 16, 2017 5:07pm
Viking2

The two binding questions Winston Peters will ask the nation if NZ First is in Government

Should the Maori seats should be abolished?
Should Parliament should be reduced to 100 MPs?

Winston Peters says if NZ First is in Government Kiwis will be asked two questions in a binding referendum – if the Maori seats should be abolished, and if Parliament should be reduced to 100 MPs.

On abolishing the Maori seats, Peters – whose media stand-up afterwards was interrupted by a supporter shouting “Make New Zealand Great Again” – said such a move would empower Maori.

“When did you ever hear Buck Shelford say, ‘don’t tackle me too hard because I’m Maori’? … Maori don’t need the Maori seats, they don’t need any more tokenism.

“Maori progress, economically and socially, has been massively side-tracked, de-toured by the Waitangi industry.”

NZ First has long held policy to abolish the country’s seven Maori electorate seats and reduce the size of Parliament, and Peters said those policies would be put to Kiwis in a mid-term referendum.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11891364

Line up guys and dolls. Way to go.

Peters said “fart blossoms” who wrote articles attacking his views didn’t have the courage to express that opinion in person, and that condescending attitude reflected much of what was wrong with the country.

“These shiny bums in Wellington and latte sippers in Auckland … think people in the regions are thick because they don’t agree with them.” 😆 😆
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July 16, 2017 5:26pm
Happychappy

So Winston Peters will hold a referendum to abolish the Maori from Parrliament if he is part of the next Government. What a germ he had all the Maori seats at one time that allowed him to be a partner in Government and now he treats them with contempt. Wow will this make the moaners and racists happy on Kiwiblog.
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July 16, 2017 5:29pm
- Longknives
  
  Imagine living in a Country where wanting all Citizens treated equally under a Democracy makes you a ‘Racist’!
  It’s a strange,strange World we live in…
  
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  July 16, 2017 5:49pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Like, say, New Zealand where everybody, whether non-Maori or Maori, and whether enrolled in a general or a Maori electorate* gets two votes, one to choose an electorate MP, and another for a party?
    
    There! Fixed that for ya… 😉
    
    But good to see you and Winston Peters sweating the big stuff.
    
    * in existence since 1867
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:15pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “What a germ he had all the Maori seats at one time that allowed him to be a partner in Government and now he treats them with contempt. Wow will this make the moaners and racists happy on Kiwiblog.”
  
  That looks like moaning to me. 🙂
  
  And haven’t you libtards figured out that screeching “Racism!” doesn’t work anymore?
  
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  July 16, 2017 5:56pm
wiseowl

Those who use the word ‘racist’ expose themselves as part of the ruling elite who want to shut down the debate.
There should be no maori seats in central or local government and no special treatment for maori.
It used to be Nationals policy to get rid of race based seats.
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July 16, 2017 5:40pm
- Happychappy
  
  It was alright for him to use them and they have been in Parliament for around 100 years. It is part of NZ’S history.
  
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  July 16, 2017 5:48pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep, we have had Maori seats longer than railways, votes for women, old age pensions, the welfare state…and the All Blacks! And now, for the first time ever, as per the electoral system we all chose, for the past nine years, some Maori electorate MPs have chosen to exercise the option of going into government and using that as political leverage, and suddenly the Maori seats are…racists.
    
    Yes, that’s right, Happychappy. When it suits the cultural conservatives, they go all SJW. Funny, they don’t grizzle at the thought of ACT or NZ First exercising their bargaining position to leverage political dividends…indeed, that’s what they want Peters to do if he gets into government!
    
    Personally, I think Peters is right – it is probably time for them to go…but the correct time is when Maori decide that.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:22pm
- Kimbo
  
  Question: how then do we recognise genuine racists? Or don’t they exists other than as libtards?
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:18pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    The only valid definition of racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior to another.
    
    Cultural preservation is not racism.
    
    Preserving national identity and national unity is not racism.
    
    One law for all is not racism.
    
    Opposition to mass immigration and multiculturalism is not racism.
    
    Opposing an immigration system that allows Islamic terrorism and rape jihad into your country is not racism.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:25pm
Shawn Herles

Winston is also promising to reduce immigration from the current 65-70,000 a year to 10,000, and bring in hard labour for crims.

Send the establishment a message, party vote NZ First! 🙂
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July 16, 2017 5:48pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Hard labour for crims? I couldn’t agree more and would love to see it happen.
  The reality? Good luck getting it into law through the Human Rights and shiney-arse policy advisors in the Dept of Justice.
  It will be a hollow promise that will not be delivered on.
  
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  July 16, 2017 6:07pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “It will be a hollow promise that will not be delivered on.”
    
    Three strikes was passed, over the objections of the PC brigade.
    
    Regardless, it’s long past time the HRC and RRC were abolished.
    
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    July 16, 2017 6:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Could one of KB’s financial gurus give a critique of the Green’s proposal to set up a green infrastructure fund.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/335160/greens-clean-tech-would-keep-nz-going-for-decades

Am I being too much of a sceptic thinking that the folks advising on green investment will be as clued up as the lot who lost $55M of NZ Super money on Ogin’s wind turbines?
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July 16, 2017 7:45pm
- KevOB
  
  Skepticism is well merited. The Greens know as much about infrastructure investment as as did Labour with the Railways and Toll.
  Ideological investment build dreams not nations and the taxpayer pays again.
  
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  July 16, 2017 11:03pm
Jack5

Radio Labour’s Sunday Morning programme on immigration this morning was narrated by Noelle McCarthy, an Irishwoman who said one of the reasons she hadn’t become an NZ citizen was the fact that in naturalisation she would have to pledge allegiance to the British Crown.

“I’m not a New Zealand citizen, though I am about to have a baby.”

She expressed concerned about some day having to stand in a different immigration queue from her child, just because she doesn’t want to acknowledge allegiance to a British queen.

The Queen has been to Ireland and spoken to the Irish Parliament in Gaeilge /ˈɡeːlʲɟə/.

Maybe our Governor-General can ask the Queen to send a special message to Noelle, welcoming her into the British Commonwealth. Becoming a republic would be high cost for NZ if that’s what it takes to recruit Noelle as an NZ citizen. Though we could throw in a name change: Prime Minister Bill Irish-English.

It was a surprisingly balanced programme, with Michael Reddell and the Salvation Army (talking about 90,000 unemployed NZ young people) giving a view on the down side of immigration.

One interesting point was a Southland dairy farm worker writing off New Zealanders as workers.

“I had three Kiwis working for me. And I had to go back every evening to the work they had done, to make sure everything was right. I had to work after I finished my job to before it became dark to review the things they had done.”
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July 16, 2017 8:02pm
- Kimbo
  
  See, you rail against Muslim migrants and I keep on telling you it is Irish Catholic malcontents who have always been more of a problem going back to Drogheda! 😉
  
  Like the English comedienne, Jo Brand, who, on being asked her name in a pub in Connacht and judging by the hostile reaction said “I think he thought I said ‘Oliver Cromwell'” 😉
  
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  July 16, 2017 8:59pm
- RF
  
  McCarthy is a devious nasty little madam who has been outed for plagiarism. Prior to this she was the NewsTalk ZB nightshift host and was dumped for being unpopular.
  
  I thought she scuttled back to the emrald Isles after being handed her arse.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You need to keep up-to-date with the C-lister fluff gossip
    http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/celebrity/celeb-news/noelle-mccarthy-an-age-of-change-1662
    
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    July 16, 2017 9:16pm
- Gabby
  
  They prrobably couldn’t underrstand the instrructions he deliverrred to them.
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:12pm
- Jack5
  
  Noelle’s from Cork – she must have kissed the Blarney Stone.
  
  Do you reckon that’s where the Vikings kidnapped the girls they took with them to settle in Iceland? Couldn’t understand a word of what they were going on about, so Finni the Dream-Interpreter, Gunnstein Berserks, Hermund the Bent, and
  Ketil Flat-Nose just hogged into the mead and ignored the women.
  
  http://evoke.ie/extra/10-things-you-should-know-before-dating-a-girl-from-cork
  
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  July 16, 2017 9:37pm
- kowtow
  
  She should fuck off back to Paddy land then.
  The oath is to the Queen as Queen of NZ , not the British crown.
  Mind you the stupid fool doesn’t seem to have a problem being paid by an organisation owned by the crown she refuses to acknowledge, so she’s also a hypocrite.
  
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  July 16, 2017 10:03pm
niggly

Oh great, two more populist “bottom lines” announced by Winnie’s First today.

(Although no details reported as to how this would work eg which 20MP’s will be culled eg will the List/Electorate MP balance remain in proportion, if so, that’s more work for Electorate MP’s as boundaries get bigger)?

No doubt these won’t be the last of his “bottom lines”.

Perhaps it’s time for National to tell Winston to get stuffed like John Key did, and if anyone wants to vote for NZF then please go right ahead, in the knowledge that a vote for NZF is either a vote for a NZF/Labour coalition government (with the Greens in the mix) or a wasted vote as NZF refuses to govern, sitting ineffectually on the cross benches in Opposition alongside those loser Greens!
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- KevOB
  
  The bottom lines will also exhaust Winston’s ability to deal Labour. Is it cross-benches again for NZF?
  
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  July 16, 2017 11:06pm
Monique Watson

Oh this Election is going to be fun. Like Muldoon before Richardson. Cheers. No-one will take a poke at Winston.
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