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duggledog

TVNZ said to be in ‘crisis talks’ about Breakfast (though this is denied):

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11889620

TV3’s ‘The A.M. Show’ gaining ground, doubling numbers in six months while Breakfast has dropped significantly.

Now, why would that be? Hmmm…

Why does Newstalk ZB retain its number one radio position? Why did Paul Henry triple his numbers in six months? Why does Hosking shit all over the Project?

Because all of the above clearly feature and reflect the opinions of the majority of kiwis, without putting too fine a point on it, centre right voters. These views are always countered by a liberal voice, but they are there.

However, TVNZ’s Breakfast has, as its three main anchors, Hillary Barry and Jack Tame and the bogan sports chick – all totes on-message in all the usual SJW themes; Trump Bad, Smacking Bad, Inequality Bad, 3rd World Immigration Good, and so on.

Watch TVNZ try to ‘fix Breakfast’ by getting someone like Ali Mau on board.

Honestly, does the National administration actually want a dividend? Where is the Minister?
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July 15, 2017 8:01am
- Happychappy
  
  And if the Minister stepped in and started throwing his weight around by hiring and firing worker you would be calling for blood. You are just like Winston First selfish and all piss and wind.
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:45am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Spoken like a true libtard.
    
    Duggle was lamenting the fact that National is drifting Leftwards with their ‘Labour Lite’ approach while it is clear from media ratings that the view of the nation is steadfastly centre right.
    
    But you ‘triggered’ instead of using your noggin. The level of irrationality required to make the nutty leap to thinking he was suggesting ministerial intervention was required suggests you might need a bit of therapy.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:22am
    - Happychappy
      
      DP: So you agree with the Government telling Radio NZ that if they don’t stop criticizing government policy there will be no money for wage increasing or extra funding like duggledog was advocating last week to go with what he has said about TV One this morning. You make me laugh when Alfred Ngaro said that you and others were condemning him and National for his stupid comments.
      
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      July 15, 2017 10:50am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ DifferentPerspective
      
      Spoken like a true libtard…But you ‘triggered’ instead of using your noggin. The level of irrationality required to make the nutty leap to thinking he was suggesting ministerial intervention was required suggests you might need a bit of therapy
      
      And yet again, I am amazed given the level of invective you use in opening an exchange, that you have the gall to sook and moan and throw your teddy out of the cot when someone suggests you get off your lard arse, as I did some 13 days ago, and actually learn something about the game of rugby rather than judging SBW’s sending off on the basis that he is…a Muslim.
      
      A bad case of steel fist/glass jaw trolling syndrome you’ve got there, DifferentPerspective. That mental health consultation was free, and for the benefit of others here on Kiwiblog, btw.
      
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      July 15, 2017 12:00pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Poor old Kimbo – that butthurt is playing up something rotten for you isn’t it. There there!
        
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        July 15, 2017 4:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I’m not the one whinging and floucing like you did some two weeks ago. The irony is…I didn’t mean to flame you at that time, as you seem to have forgotten I took a peace overture you once offered me – with the advice back at you, “kindly don’t question my patriotism again”. So no, I had consigned it to history.
        
        Yet you took the “lard arse” comment personally. Like I said, “steel fist/glass jaw”.
        
        So how about for the general tone of the place, you try and be a bit less of a…trolling arse hole?
        
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        July 15, 2017 4:18pm
EAD_TWO

I mentioned this story on the July 12 General Debate in reply to Kowtow and now Morgoths Review has the exact same observation on the MSMs reporting story of the “man” who have gave birth to a baby girl.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/07/living-in-madhouse-read-all-about.html?m=0

What is incredible is that the Newspapers in their earnest tones reported this as fact. They regularly referred to this woman that gave birth as a man despite it being impossible for any “man” to give birth.

This should be satire and for 97% of people at the moment will be seen as such but given time, an agenda driven MSM, “hate speech” laws, “modern” education and in 10 years time 1/4 of the population will believe this fiction as fact.

Dont believe me? – Just look as how “imminent global warming” went from being a crank theory in the 1980s (the decade after the MSM warned of an imminent Ice Age) to now having governments tax cows for farting ?

Do you ever wonder why this bay shit crazy anti logic and reason position is being pushed? Morgoths Review surmises in his excellent article as follows:

This madness has got nothing to do with the Cultural Marxists’ desire to spare the feelings of a negligible number of delusional lunatics. Although it may seem comical and ripe for parody, this seemingly nonsensical case is anything but funny. This is a demonstration of unspeakable, near unfathomable, evil whose purpose is twofold. Firstly, the destruction of the very building blocks of our civilisation, of male and female, mother, father and child, the family, the community and the nation It is designed to break the biological bonds that bind us,to atomise us, and to render us helpless before the all powerful state. Secondly, it is about the exercise of mind control, about the domination of our very souls. If they can make us say that which we know to be untrue, they have total control over us.

Agree 100% with Morgoths Review – this is the once seemingly innocuous “political correctness” reaching its end game.
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July 15, 2017 8:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If you allow people to choose their gender, then an individual whose sex is female can select “male” as their gender, and demand that the authorities accept and recognize their gender as “male.”
  Once legally recognized as being “male,” then this sort of news headline will become more common.
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:32am
  - itstricky
    
    EAD’s disapproval appears to just come down to disagreeing with allowing people to make this choice themselves.
    
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    July 15, 2017 8:44am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      My objection is to do with the language. English hasn’t caught up with the reality of what is happening.
      Apparently we can now change our gender (even if we cannot truly change our biological sex (XX or XY). English needs to distinguish between “gender” and “sex” or else end the laws that enable the two to be different, i.e., a male identifying himself as having a gender that is female, or vice versa (as in this reported case).
      Of course, this kind of article is wonderful for newspaper sales. Maybe this is why we are reading more of them.
      In the meantime, the folks with common sense will see what is happening, and quietly have a word to their children about it. (And children are not stupid (remember the story about the King who had no clothes)).
      
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      July 15, 2017 8:55am
      - itstricky
        
        I agree, English hasn’t caught up. Or rather – it always was, but country wide language, procedures, processes & laws haven’t
        
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        July 15, 2017 8:57am
      - Fletch
        
        “To see evil and call it good, mocks God. Worse, it makes goodness meaningless. A word without meaning is an abomination, for when the word passes beyond understanding the very thing the word stands for passes out of the world and cannot be recalled.”
        ― Stephen R. Lawhead, Arthur
        
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        July 15, 2017 12:11pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Gender is not a choice.
      
      5 year olds are not choosing to be the opposite gender.
      
      Their mentally ill mothers are projecting their own broken psyches onto their sons.
      
      In reality its an issue involving a condition suffered by a very few individuals who as ADULTS should be able to seek medical solutions. I have no problem with that.
      
      Instead the issue is politically weaponised by Progressives/Cultural Marxists in their on going war against Western Civilisation, which in accordance with their reheated Marxism, they believe is inherently evil and needs “deconstructing” and re engineered with a Marxist derived blue print – either by Revolution or incremental “social transformation reform/transformation”.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:03am
      - Inandout
        
        The Islams have an answer for all this sex swapping:
        https://islamqa.info/en/138451
        
        ‘What a person may feel in his mind and heart, that he is of a gender other than what he appears to be to us does not give him an excuse to change his gender; rather it comes under the heading of following the Shaytaan in changing the creation of Allah – outwardly but not truly – and those feelings do not make it permissible for him to undergo surgery or take medicines and hormones to change his outward appearance. Rather he must be content with the decree of Allah, may He be exalted, and treat his case on the basis of faith and obedience to Allah. It is not permissible for him to make himself appear outwardly to be of a gender other than his real gender with which Allah created him, otherwise he will be committing a major sin; if this person is really female then she will be masculinised and if he is really male then he will be effeminate’.
        
        So there, no bloody arguing.
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:28am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      “I wonder what gender my baby is”
      
      Said no parent ever
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:10am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Just look south at that moment; if it has a penis, it is a boy, if it hasn’t got a penis, it is a girl.
        
        Too few that have none or both bits to worry about.
        
        Quite simple really
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:16am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I am told that there is a world of difference between the meanings of the words “sex,” “gender” and “sexuality.”
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:37am
      - srylands
        
        You are wrong about that. Around 1 in 2000 babies have “ambiguous genitalia”.
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:41am
    - Gabby
      
      Well I’m jolly cross I can’t choose to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Blubblubblub.
      
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      July 15, 2017 11:13am
    - KevOB
      
      Their biology is self evident at birth.
      How they choose to act on it later may be a choice.I have a gender fluid male in the family who is much loved and tolerated.
      
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      July 15, 2017 1:12pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    At primary school I was a bit of a tomboy and distinctly remember wanting to be a boy. Something to do with them seeming to have more fun than girls’. I grew out of that phase.
    Children don’t understand the sexual part of one’s identity so shouldn’t be put in the position by their parents’ of deciding their gender before they reach maturity.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:48am
  - SGA
    
    Odakyu-sen
    
    Once legally recognized as being “male,” then this sort of news headline will become more common.
    
    Well… in general, once things become more common, they cease to become a news headline. Just saying.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:54am
- Kevinnz
  
  Ben Shapiro has argued that as a society we can’t pretend something is true when it clearly isn’t.
  
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  July 15, 2017 12:07pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The more force the law gives to punishing people for “hurting others’ feelings,” the greater the pressure on people to “pretend that something is true.”
    
    This is dangerous.
    
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    July 15, 2017 1:07pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I recall stories from relatives about life in Japan during the late 1930s and 1940s. There was enormous pressure on the individual (and by extension, on their family members) to “pretend that certain things were true–because the authorities said so.”
    It makes me so said to see that in my lifetime, the same kind of sentiment is once again on the rise. Have we learned nothing about the behavior and mentality of totalitarianism and how important it is to the totalitarianism State to be able to force its people to parrot the official line?
    And you New Zealanders go on so much about “lest we forget…”
    
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    July 15, 2017 1:40pm
Southern Raider

Just reading the immigration statistics on stuff

Why are 25% of recent immigrants from Fiji and Samoa? How does that work on a points system and going forward we will need less and less labourers and service workers

Of the two Indian immigrant examples both came on student visas to study cooking and now have residency by complain it’s hard to raise a family on a chefs wage. Student visas are a rort and is a way for lower skilled people to bypass the points system.
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July 15, 2017 8:19am
- EAD_TWO
  
  It’s only a “rort” if the Politcians never intended this exploration of the system to happen.
  
  It serves it’s purpose of providing them the cover to explain to an increasingly restless population that this mass immigration we’re experiencing is of the “necessary” and “Highly skilled” type when it’s nothing of the sort.
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:29am
- Gabby
  
  Yeah! Take that Andrew Little you waaycisss!
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:15am
Southern Raider

Must be election time.

Another story about a solo mother of 9 kids living in Tauranga who doesn’t have a house.

Classic comment was the mother said “people judge me for the decisions I’ve made”. Yes we fucken do as why should we be paying for you not being able to keep your legs closed!
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July 15, 2017 8:22am
- jcuk
  
  Crudely put SR when really we should say open your legs to receive enjoyment but not to bring another child into the world of poverty.
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:17am
duggledog

Southern Raider

Depressing when one remembers the study that found for every $1 PIs generate in NZ they cost $3.

It was factually accurate but terribly racist and was therefore buried and forgotten.
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July 15, 2017 8:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  There is lots of benefits to some Polynesian immigration but not at these levels.
  
  Reality is most will never pay net tax, let alone factoring in all the taxpayer expenditure tied up in health etc
  
  There is also all the money that gets sent off the the islands
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:07am
  - KevOB
    
    NZ has historical ties to Samoa and that extends to a an immigration quota agreed between Governments. It is seen as part of our foreign aid programme.
    
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    July 15, 2017 1:19pm
    - RF
      
      Yep…. and a back door into Aussie who would love to shut and lock it to keep the non productive people out.
      
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      July 15, 2017 4:19pm
  - GoVege
    
    If PI people were paid decent wages they would pay more tax.
    They save the country a fortune by caring for their elderly at home.
    They just need to stop living at McDonald’s to halt the diabetes epidemic. .:)
    
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    July 15, 2017 3:27pm
- Gabby
  
  That is basically NZ’s foreign aid programme.
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:17am
Huevon

The French, like the Saudis, get Trump. Treat him like a king and he will love you.
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July 15, 2017 8:27am
- virtualmark
  
  Yes, it’s an approach that works well for foreign countries.
  
  Hard to do domestically in the USA itself though. The framers of the Constitution expressly didn’t want a King, and set the system up accordingly. They knew it’s only a small step from King to Tyrant.
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:02am
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, or more the presidency has all the powers of an 18th Century king – as it was the only form of executive the framers of the American constitution could conceive of at the time – but with checks and balances.
    
    And I think you could argue that at times American Presidents – Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and FDR – have acted in ways that could be perceived and argued as tyrannical, no matter what the pragmatic “emergency” they were dealing with at the time. Written constitutions protect very little, IMHO, not compared to an informed and empowered populace, IMHO – which also must be restrained due to the possibility of mob rule via the ballot box and illegitimate public discourse.
    
    Give me good old Westminster pragmatism with a monarch…
    
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    July 15, 2017 12:53pm
    - Scott Chris
      
      Fair enough but why do you need the monarch?
      
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      July 15, 2017 2:18pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Goodness me, look who’s back. Full recovery?
        
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        July 15, 2017 2:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Scott Chris
        
        Fair enough but why do you need the monarch?
        
        We don’t, but as per the benefits and nature of Westminster constitutional pragmatism, the monarchy provides good continuity with the past. Plus, other than with left-wing or Irish Catholic malcontents, the Windsors are seen as heads of state who unite, rather than the divisive nature of elected Presidents, even if they are only figureheads, e.g., President Helen Clark or Jim Bolger.
        
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        July 15, 2017 3:10pm
    - virtualmark
      
      No,
      
      Yes, the framers of the Constitution knew full well what an 18th century King was like … because they’d just fought a war to get away from one.
      
      But it’s clear from their writings at the time that they were more thinking of the Roman republic and the Roman empire when they were designing the US constitutional system. The checks and balances were put there to stop a President going Nero on them.
      
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      July 15, 2017 3:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Erm, and wasn’t Julius Caesar, like many others (Caligula, Nero, Galba, Domitian) assassinated because he had become like the kings, whom Rome had supposedly rejected? King/Emperor/President…tomato/tomatoe/tomata
        
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        July 15, 2017 3:49pm
- kowtow
  
  I’d be wary of any Frogs treating me like a king. Treasonous bastards.
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:48am
  - MCos
    
    I think you’re on pretty safe ground.
    
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    July 15, 2017 12:49pm
- thedavincimode
  
  I don’t think he necessarily needs to be treated like a King (well not all the time). Maybe they just get the fact that Trumpy has some wires that weren’t ever connected. You can see that in his vocabulary. I think he knows it as well which is why he uses Ivanka who is articulate. For example, I expect he was simply trying to be nice to Mdme Macron but he’s so terminally clumsy that he goofed it up like – like so many other things. Who, for example would describe a trade deal as “very big and very powerful”? Anyone who gets he has some loose wires or otherwise gets Trumpyspeak would simply take him to mean something along the lines of “comprehensive and far-reaching”. He could also be forgiven for getting progressively more peeved that not only are some of his complete ratbag predecessors shown far greater respect than he’s accorded, there’s been an active campaign to drag him down that pre-dated his election and has employed some despicable tactics. To someone not schooled in politics and used to having his own way, that has to have an effect.
  
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  July 15, 2017 3:15pm
itstricky

Nostradamus,

I don’t visit The Standard and I don’t know much about, or care either way about their over-zealous banning. Sure – you are correct – banning is not the same as hiding but what I was trying to convey was that there is a certain element of mob rule here which overrides “unapproved views”.
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July 15, 2017 8:40am
Odakyu-sen

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890786
Social housing provider orders solo mum with 9 kids to leave Tauranga state house by Monday
(The mother is 36 years old. If she had 1 child every 2 years, she would have had taken 18 years (since the age of 18) to achieve this.)
Her comment at the end of the article is telling, “I didn’t plan on being a solo mum, but things happen.”

Where to begin…
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July 15, 2017 8:47am
- itstricky
  
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  You have no idea of her situation or background. Wouldn’t the world be a lovely, peaceful, place if we could just be judgemental and constantly dismiss everbody else’s problems as being “their own fault” without knowing anything about them.
  
  Work would be bliss, that’s for sure.
  
  The story is why there is nothing available for her.
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:55am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    itstricky,
    
    Do you think that we, as a society, ought to encourage this kind of behavior? Do we even dare discriminate between what is “right” and what is “wrong”?
    Do you have any principles that you believe ought to guide one’s behavior? (I could add that great one-liner by Groucho Marx about “principles” but maybe some other time…)
    
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    July 15, 2017 8:59am
    - itstricky
      
      Plenty of Catholic families have 5, 6, 7, 8, 9+ kids. Do you judge the mothers of those families?
      
      What if the mother + father of said Catholic families have a large falling out, and they split. Do you judge the single mother?
      
      What if the father dies in a terrible car accident and the mother is left on her own. Do you judge the single mother?
      
      What if the divorce is complicated, the mother can not immediately find a job (or can not leave her children) and ends up in financial woes. Do you judge the single mother?
      
      What if the mother suffers large scale mental health problems from the death of her husband which cause her to spiral into a drinking/drug problem. Do you judge the single mother?
      
      Like I said, when you say “should we ought to encourage this behaviour” you’ve absolutely no idea what bought her to that state but seem quite happy to provide moral judgement without offering any immediate thoughts about why she is not recieving the roof over her head that she requires just as much as some other, whom you may not pass judgement on.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:26am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        A good Catholic woman (and her husband) would be compelled by their faith and encouraged by their extended family and local church community to have a large family. In the event of an crisis such as you describe, I would expect Catholic friends, family and church community to step in and fill the breach.
        What of this woman? Does she have the same support as your hypothetical good Catholic wife?
        – Where is her husband?
        – Where is her family?
        – Where is her network of friends and community?
        I put it to you that her husband, family and support-providers are in the form of the State, funded by the workers of New Zealand.
        Ought the State be playing the role of “husband”?
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:48am
      - Inandout
        
        Immaculate conception for sure, helped by drugs, alcohol and state of indifference as to who was poking her. The scary part of all this is their are thousands like her sponging and producing offspring.
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:59am
      - itstricky
        
        You haven’t really specified either way whether you would judge a single mother, who ended up there through a divorce/death spiral, in the same way. Yes, or no?
        
        would be compelled by their faith and encouraged by their extended family and local church community to have a large family
        
        (a) Do you know the woman in question’s faith?
        (b) So you disagree with Southern Raider above when s/he says “why can’t she just keep her legs shut”? If you’re Catholic, that’s alright? And if you’re Catholic and you end up in NZ Housing accomodation in this manner it’s also alright? Then we (collectively) have no worries about whether she keeps her legs shut, or not?
        
        – Where is her husband?
        – Where is her family?
        – Where is her network of friends and community?
        
        I don’t know. You tell me. You can’t, because we don’t know. But it seems a number of people are quite happy to fill those gaps with negatives and just fill someone’s life story into a category of their chosing, without considering why she is not being given the help she requires. That’s the whole point.
        
        I put it to you that her husband, family and support-providers are in the form of the State
        
        I don’t think I’m getting through. Tell me – when the only facts you know are – she is 36, has 9 kids and is a solo Mum how can you then say put forward a generalisation about her family and support? You know nothing of them. Her parents could be dead. Her brother could have mental deficiences. The father may have run away to Dubai. You’ve no more idea than anyone else.
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:04am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Those large catholic families are historical, parents where together and typically on rural farms where all the kids got a good upbringing and worked from the time they could walk.
        
        One mate is one of 12 kids in a catholic family. They have never been on the taxpayers tit
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:10am
      - kowtow
        
        Us Catholics have our uses ,don’t we ?
        
        Very useful to the left when they want to defend state spending on the indolent and irresponsible .
        
        A few minutes later though and it’s back to “those fucken’ child abusers they put Hitler in power ”
        
        BTW I don’t know too many Catholics who have 5,6,7,8,9+ kids , in this day and age .
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:17am
      - jcuk
        
        What a load of rubbish .. A Responsible Society as we largely have takes care of its subjects affected by such happenings ….. BUT a responsible member does not arrange their life to have children they have no way of supporting.
        The Catholic Church has yet to understand the wrongfulness of their entreaty to have lots of children, which is purely a ‘power game’ versus other churches.
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:28am
      - itstricky
        
        A Responsible Society as we largely have takes care of its subjects affected by such happenings ….. BUT a responsible member does not arrange their life to have children they have no way of supporting.
        
        I don’t disagree with this, I’m not defending the right of anyone to bludge of the system, I’m simply saying that it is sad that so many people will jump to a conclusion about one person’s entire life story, and entire reason for being, without considering that “shit just happens” and then questioning why she hasn’t been given what she requires to live (and make things better for her children) in a timely fashion.
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:39am
      - lifesgood
        
        I love the way people sound oh so knowledgeable about what Catholics can and can’t do. For a start there is absolutely no encouragement these days for Catholics to have big families. It is left completely to the individuals. Secondly I know of two big Catholic families and in both cases the families are comfortably well off, have well educated their children and have never sought state assistance. You will find, if you care to look that Catholic families are the same as any other i.e 2 to 3 children. Souther Raider got it right.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:00am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        You seem to know very little about modern Catholics. Most of us decide how many kids we would like and then ensure that no more arrive. A few have “surprises”, the majority statistically have no more or less than the general population. Large Catholic families also tend to have one, female, non gender divers or “what the fuck” mother, and generally the same, male, nongender diverse father. We tend not to name our ten sons “Patrick” and then distinguish them by the surnames of their fathers….
        
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        July 15, 2017 1:20pm
      - KevOB
        
        I think their might be a genetic element too. In many societies the males have lived apart from the women and their children. A remnant of that in our genetic pool could explain some males opting out of home making as fathers. It may be linked to other factors in class placement. That could be disproven if women from higher socioeconomic strata were shown to have similar experience of males not settling. I know of many status solo mothers who are struggling to survive their men often haven chosen another “chick”.
        
        Ministry shows almost all women aim to start a stable relationship and continue but after childbirth the male finds a way out. As we no longer live in villages the women have to fend for themselves as best they can. We can’t judge them for being human. Any support is well justified.
        
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        July 15, 2017 1:46pm
    - Gabby
      
      We sort of do need to, or we run out of taxpayers. If it’s the thing she’s good at, let her get on with it while you do whatever the fuck it is that you’re good at.
      
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      July 15, 2017 11:23am
      - GoVege
        
        Kev: the “genetic component ” is that males of most species are merely sperms donors, not fathers, including primitive humans.
        It is only in relatively civilized societies that males learn of responsibility to their children.
        The “man problems” are that the males won’t man up and act like men.
        Often because they never had a decent male role model.
        Also, most non-western societies are sexist and males think they can get as many women as they like pregnant, and only support the kids if they want to.
        They are often foisted on their maternal grandparents and their societies accept this.
        This is why most solo mums with umpteen kids are Maori or Polynesian.
        
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        July 15, 2017 4:15pm
    - GoVege
      
      In this day and place,, the only women who have this many kids are victims of ignorant sexist cultures or religions . ..
      usually both .
      
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      July 15, 2017 1:11pm
      - KevOB
        
        The message I get is that many women have man problems. They believe they have the start of something wonderful and after a year or so he’s off: no care, minimum responsibility. As many are lousy earners the males pay little to the state in child support while the mother gets assistance.
        
        I have watched this at close hand. Many of the women repeat this experience with a similar type of male. There may be a genetic component in that too.
        
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        July 15, 2017 2:02pm
  - calendar girl
    
    “The story is why there is nothing available for her.”
    
    That’s the ‘story’ to which you want to divert us.
    
    What’s wrong with Odakyu-sen pointing out a few facts that seem relevant to him? (They do seem relevant to me as well!) Why do you want to dismiss Odakyu-sen’s quite legitimate observation in a discussion on how this kind of situation can come about in NZ society?
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:17am
    - itstricky
      
      That’s the ‘story’ to which you want to divert us.
      
      That’s just a tiny bit paranoid.
      
      What’s wrong with Odakyu-sen pointing out a few facts
      
      (facts) She has 9 kids and is on her own (end of all facts that we know)
      
      Why do you want to dismiss Odakyu-sen’s quite legitimate observation in a discussion on how this kind of situation
      
      I’d love to hear your take on whether you would judge a Catholic mother of 9, who’s husband died in a horrific car crash, and who consequentially spiralled into a drug addiction that placed her in financial problems.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:32am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        An extremely improbable scenario.
        Besides, please indicate a Catholic family with 9 kids nowadays?
        You won’t find one.
        AFAIK, the only 9 kid mothers are solo, on a benefit, and despite various other reasons, are in that position from their own poor decisions.
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:55am
      - Inandout
        
        Nine kids, more likely an Arab family in Hamilton.
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:01am
      - itstricky
        
        You won’t find one.
        
        I know of one with 8, so it can’t be that improbable.
        
        And, would you judge a woman in this position in the same way?
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:07am
      - calendar girl
        
        “I’d love to hear your take on whether you would judge a Catholic mother of 9, who’s husband died in a horrific car crash, and who consequentially spiralled into a drug addiction that placed her in financial problems.”
        
        1. What has this story got to do with Catholics? You seem obsessed with a conviction that Catholics today still have very large families. Got any evidence of that?
        
        2. There’s a great difference when a family has a husband around. Such a family (whatever its size) tends to be more unified and to have structure, with support from relatives on both sides and the surrounding community.
        
        3. Question: How many different men have fathered the 9 unfortunate children in this story? You keep making comparisons with ‘Catholic families’, but we have no idea in this case whether there has ever been a true ‘family’ in the sense that most of us could conceptualise.
        
        4. Where did a mother’s drug addiction come into this story? I can find no reference to any addiction (other than sexual addiction, perhaps) in the Herald’s story.
        
        Finally, a few additional comments covering apparent gaps in the story. The actual mother-of-nine has made mistakes, as we all have, and deserves our sympathy and ultimately our assistance as a society. That will happen, I have no doubt, but the welfare system does have its inevitable limitations. I hope sincerely that such help arrives sooner rather than later. Maybe the Herald has done the woman – and us – a great favour by publicising her plight and that of the 9 children. But, being a pragmatist, I’ve learned the hard way not to accept – without caution – everything that I read in the Herald.
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:34am
      - itstricky
        
        1. Nothing, as far as I can tell. I’ve used the religious absence of birth control as example to come up with a back story as a hypothetical situation. Perhaps you missed it – it was further up the page.
        
        Evidence? I know of one with 8, one of 12 is mentioned above by someone – It can’t be that uncommon if two examples can be summoned in less than an hour.
        
        2. Which is why my hypothetical situation has a divorce or death.
        
        3. I don’t know. You tell me. You can’t, because we don’t know that fact.
        
        4. It doesn’t. We don’t know that fact either. This was part of my hypothetical situation again, to ask whether you would judge another person in the same situation.
        
        The actual mother-of-nine has made mistakes, as we all have… … …I hope sincerely that such help arrives sooner rather than later
        
        Exactly, and that is part of the point that I am trying to get across.
        
        I’ve learned the hard way not to accept – without caution – everything that I read in the Herald.
        
        I had a little chuckle earlier on – so many comments on KB on the marxist, agenda driven, factually incorrect & incompetent MSM etc e but as soon as it comes to something were one can take a Herald piece, extrapolate 3 facts (that before this would have been “incomptent leftie journalists”) out to the entire life story of someone to be morally judged by the crowd, all of that incomptence is forgotten. Glad you also picked up on that, even if we do fundamentally disagree.
        
        (changed ‘many many’ to ‘many’ for Kimbo)
        
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        July 15, 2017 10:49am
      - kowtow
        
        “would you judge a woman in this position ”
        
        I suspect the problem is in the position she took , repeatedly ……..if you get my drift.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:00am
      - holysheet
        
        Now now kowtow, there’s more than one position for this to happen.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:48am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ itstricky
        
        (changed ‘many many’ to ‘many’ for Kimbo)
        
        Thanks, but “many” in context was an adjective of quantitative degree, not an emphatic adverb. Nonetheless, your scholarly zeal and referencing of Kimbo’s law is commended.
        
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        July 15, 2017 12:08pm
  - Peter
    
    Very easy to judge as the problem is obvious.
    
    To everyone not in that utterly confused, neomarxist meaningless intellectual void that is the ‘modern’ left.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:24am
    - PhilBest
      
      One of the things that has made the public even clearer about this stuff, is the appearance of people like this woman on reality TV shows now and then. These people settle their own case every time they open their mouths.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:30am
    - itstricky
      
      To everyone not in that utterly confused, neomarxist meaningless intellectual void that is the ‘modern’ left.
      
      Of course, I could judge you, for resorting to petty insults, generalisations and irrational paranoia (neomarxist).
      
      Instead I just feel sad that so many people immediately jump on the band wagon simply because “she looks like a loser; therefore she is; she deserves everything she gets”
      
      And, in one respect, you’re right, because none of that is intellectual, but then again, not everything in life is. We are but products of our past.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:39am
      - Peter
        
        I’m guessing that if some middle aged white male CEO fired staff on Christmas Eve for no other reason than to hit his bonus numbers, and had form in this respect, we’d both judge him as being a bit of an arse, with little social conscience, and quite possibly a bit of a sociopath. With a high degree of probability, we’d be right.
        
        I doubt either of us would be jumping through convoluted hoops to excuse his behaviour. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, probably is a duck.
        
        It’s pretty obvious, with a high degree of probability, that women who repeatedly breed, given limited means, aren’t fulfilling their end of the social contract. Will the kids be impoverished? Near 100% certainty. Why? Maths.
        
        Many on the left will jump through endless hoops to not grasp truth when it comes to beneficiary cases. The left has no mechanism to criticise such cases. The mechanism is in place when in comes to middle aged white CEOs, however.
        
        All about power, you see. A distorted left lens when everything is viewed as a power struggle.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:03am
      - holysheet
        
        From your support of this lovely young lady, can we assume you have been in contact and offered her the obvious financial support she and her lovely tribe need and deserve. I am sure she would love to hear from you soon if you haven’t. Give her our love and say the cheque is is the post from all of us here on KB.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:53am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Justifying the unjustifiable again tricky – you do the work of National for them, proving beyond a doubt why socialism is unelectable and lost in the wilderness of cultural marxism.
    
    I thank you for doing your bit to keep the Left out of power.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:35am
    - itstricky
      
      I thank you for your quality, on topic, input into the debate.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:46am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        No problem – it’s my pleasure to help you out sir.
        
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        July 15, 2017 11:21am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Obviously not too tired to have sex!!!
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:52am
    - MCos
      
      Maybe too tired to resist . . . . .
      
      Maybe an inquisition should be set up so that the circumstances of everybody’s conception can be recorded on their birth certificate for the Stassi to decide how worthwhile a person’s life is going to be.
      Various media could bid for the right to publish the results. . . . . .
      
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      July 15, 2017 10:16am
  - Viking2
    
    Because we don’t build 10 bedroom houses for stupid people. Look at the picture. At least 3 if not 4 of those kids are 5 or less.
    What the hell was the stupid person thinking.
    Still money enough for body piecing.
    
    Accessible have taken over all the HNZ houses and now have to deal with stupid people like this and other trash. Having problems with one next to me. Mowing the lawn never happens, junk everywhere, dogs roaming (and not the nice types).
    
    Unfortunately in this case we need to look after the kids.
    She should be sterilized permanently.
    
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    July 15, 2017 7:36pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Odakyu-sun, don’t even try to begin, you’ll do you’re head in.
  
  And itstricky is right, we don’t know of her circumstances. The reporter isn’t going to tell you things like, she has a bad credit history, doesn’t pay her rent, damaged previous property. They would tell you things like she was widowed after the birth after her last child or if her previous rental property had been sold because that would pull on those heart strings.
  
  What we can assume because she’s a single mum on benefit is that she will be receiving $325 for sole parent support, and assuming one of the kids is of late teen years, roughly $400 in family tax credits. I would hope that she is helping her friend pay power and of course buy her own food and clothing without any need for extra grants from winz but experience tells me otherwise. However I digress!
  
  Say this mum managed to save $100 a week for the last year? Able to pay for her own bond… wouldn’t that impress a potential landlord?
  
  Did the reporter even bother to ask her how much benefit she gets and where it goes?
  
  Of course not. Because they know the average kiwi is sick and tired of supporting this entitlement mentality.
  
  There are some beneficiaries that need support. A lot of support! And there are those that are just plain lazy and greedy.
  
  Feel free to sort latest homeless mother of 9…
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:09am
  - kowtow
    
    “Because they know the average kiwi is sick and tired of supporting this entitlement mentality.”
    
    You give the lying media far too much credit.
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:19am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Northland Wahine, you are right.
    
    I would like to know how she came to be in her situation and what her motives were. Is she stupid or is she cunning?
    
    I am disappointed (but not surprised) that the newspaper does not make a thorough analysis of this woman’s circumstances and financial situation.
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:29am
    - KevOB
      
      The women in that situation are invariably not stupid. Some are have high IQ’s and fall on difficult times. With 9 children she may have had a twin or two and been widowed or her fellas in jail, had a bad accident, just left or chosen again.
      
      Whatever her benefit she will struggle. That doesn’t provide much beyond a basic frugal lifestyle which is beyond the ability of many beneficiaries to cope with. Expect accommodation problems with 9 children.
      
      Did she bring this on herself? What does “bring on” mean? The bonding contract in NZ implies a right to breed with an underlying guarantee from the state. Some people are naturally more fertile than others and we do not limit rights based on that.
      
      The self limiting 30+ class bring their own expensive problems requiring subsidies for conception. The youthful make mistakes and there seems to be a subclass that start young whose men don’t stick around either.
      
      That’s our stratified society. Be pleased that we have economical cover now that we have left our villages.
      
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      July 15, 2017 2:42pm
  - jcuk
    
    Wisdom from the coalface as usual from this writer.
    
    ‘A responsible society’ cannot exist without a responsible populace has been my idea since I read the book by Dr Bill Sutch many years ago.
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:40am
  - artemisia
    
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/TTV2/102189502.pdf
    
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    July 15, 2017 11:57am
  - Longknives
    
    What Wahine said- It does my head in that Reporters never ask simple questions like ‘How much do WINZ actually pay you?’ or ‘Where are the children’s fathers?’ or even ‘Are you paying any Court fines?’?
    If you are going to portray yourself as a Victim and a Charity case with your hand out then tell us the fucking full story!
    
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    July 15, 2017 2:37pm
- Shawn Herles
  
  “I didn’t plan on being a solo mum, but things happen.”
  
  and then happened again. And then happened again. And then happened again. And then…..
  
  Looks like planning to me.
  
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  July 15, 2017 12:00pm
  - KevOB
    
    The fact emerge in Ministry. The picture given seems typical: things happen, another thing happens and another. That’s life. People try to avoid bad happening to them but the random is hard to dodge.
    
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    July 15, 2017 2:50pm
    - sooty
      
      We can not let facts get in the way of electioneering, now can we!
      
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      July 15, 2017 3:22pm
      - KevOB
        
        My opinions on this matter have nothing to do with electioneering.
        
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        July 15, 2017 4:00pm
Jack5

The media remains obsessed with Southland-Clutha MP Todd Barclay, though he’s on his way out of politics. He’s paying a high price for whatever he did wrong.

Who gives a toss whether a Stuff reporter did or did not barge into Barclay’s electorate office as Barclay staff apparently complained to the Fairfax southern head ~~honcho~~ honchette?

Like State TV’s perpetual ridiculing of Trump, the hounding of Barclay may be a way for Leftist journos covertly to put the boot into National and the Right generally. Let’s hope not.

A journalist says the tape recorder he left that recorded Key talking to ACT in an Auckland restaurant at the previous election was accidentally left behind and left on. Okay, accepted by the media. When Barclay seems to argue that the recording he took of his staff was accidentally left on, sneers.

Our media should look outwards and spend less time looking in the mirror.

The media isn’t the message, it’s the messenger. Marshall McLuhan, the man who originally said the “media is the message” meaning something a little different, is now largely forgotten, in the trash can of technology history.
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- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well the left message about this so-called scandal seems to have fallen flat.
  
  It doesn’t seem to have swung the missing million back to Little & co.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:24am
- MCos
  
  “Todd Barclay, though he’s on his way out of politics. He’s paying a high price for whatever he did wrong.”
  Todd Barclay is effectively out of politics already, nevertheless the taxpayer continues to pay a high price until the end of this parliamentary term.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:32am
- SGA
  
  Jack5
  
  Who gives a toss whether a Stuff reporter did or did not barge into Barclay’s electorate office as Barclay staff apparently complained to the Fairfax southern head honcho honchette?
  
  Not quite how I read it – the complaints came from far further up the “food chain”, and the complainants seemed to have been somewhat “misled” by Barclay’s electorate staff. No?
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:03am
  - Jack5
    
    SGA, you note ” the complainants seemed to have been somewhat “misled” by Barclay’s electorate staff.”
    
    Reporters are frequently fobbed off and lied to about people’s availability. That’s a challenge in their job. A friend tells me that reporters soon develop a thick skin, just as insurance sellers do. Or was that the reporters of old, mainly male and taught their craft on the job rather than at university or polytechnic?
    
    People usually allow moral exceptions to their judgment about lying. The well known one is: you are at a cross roads and a woman runs past you, terrified. Soon after a man runs up, carrying axe, and demands, “Which way did she go?” Overwhelmingly, people accept it would be morally right to lie to the pursuer.
    
    Similarly, many of us think it fine to lie about, say age, to escape a market-survey caller who phones just as we are about to sit down to a meal.
    
    Some of us would find it morally acceptable to lie to one of the commission door knockers on the bludge for Amnesty Aotearoa NZ or one of the other Leftist charities, or to lie to some bludger trying to cadge from us at a shopping centre.
    
    In this sense, I think staff of a politician who in effect is “working out his notice” from the position he was elected to, are morally entitled to lie about the politician’s availability to reporters who are hounding him. Provided the politicians is happy with that, of course.
    
    The great Barclay hunt repeats what happened to the rather gauche National List MP from Christchurch who was hounded right out of Parliament by the media after one night’s drunken disgrace – a relatively minor disgrace in my opinion.
    
    Barclay was wrong, and in my opinion deserves to go.
    
    However, Leftists trumpet the right of convicts to free university education, to driving courses and to training and jobs when they complete their shortened sentences.
    
    Contrast this with the media hounding of Barclay, whose career has been destroyed. What does the Leftist media further want to happen to him? Ritual suicide?
    
    Or, is my suspicion correct, that hounding Barclay is a covert way for Leftist media to put the boot into National?
    
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    July 15, 2017 1:21pm
    - SGA
      
      Jack5
      
      SGA, you note ” the complainants seemed to have been somewhat “misled” by Barclay’s electorate staff.”
      …
      In this sense, I think staff of a politician who in effect is “working out his notice” from the position he was elected to, are morally entitled to lie about the politician’s availability to reporters who are hounding him.
      
      What’s that got to do with it, and what are you going on about?
      As I understand it, “allegations were made in two phone conversations between Norris [Fairfax] and a senior member of the PM’s staff, as well as phone conversations with the head of Parliamentary Service, David Stevenson. Stevenson also dropped the bombshell that police were now involved. (Those were the complainants, not Barclay’s Office as you said earlier).
      They had been told “Kelly and her cameraman “barged” into Barclay’s office and harassed and intimidated staff – even pursuing them to the back of the office, leaving the staff feeling threatened and under siege.”
      The video that I saw didn’t show that – far from it. Is that what you saw?
      At this point in time, it looks to me like Barclay’s staff “misled” the PM’s Office and the Head of Parlimentary Service who then when on to complain to Fairfax.
      Happy to be corrected.
      
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      July 15, 2017 1:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        SGA, with all due respect to your argument, I don’t think a contretemps between a party electorate office and an editor over whether a reporter “barged” into an office is of any consequence at all. Why is this important enough to be featured? Someone grizzled about a reporter chasing them and that’s suddenly news?
        
        Do reporters go through careers without ever having people call their editor to bitch about them? I doubt it.
        
        It’s Fairfax, not Barclay’s staff who have built this into a media “story”.
        
        Why was the reporter’s entrance to the electorate office recorded on video unless some sort of media stunt was under way? Was the camera just accidentally on?
        
        Regardless of the details of what happened between the Fairfax journalists and the electorate office staff, why is Fairfax still hounding Barclay? If there’s a police investigation about Barclay and his previous staff, why not wait for the outcome and report that?
        
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        July 15, 2017 1:58pm
      - SGA
        
        I don’t think a contretemps between a party electorate office and an editor over whether a reporter “barged” into an office is of any consequence at all.
        
        To be fair Jack5, you choose to raise the matter here, not me.
        The comtretemps between the party electorate office and a reporter isn’t interesting in and of itself, I agree. I imagine it happens regularly. But that’s where things get odd. It wasn’t the party electorate office that complained. Instead they went all the way to the PM’s office and Parlimentary Services about it. When those august bodies then complained (with mention of police action?), the media released their video that showed that the party electorate office doesn’t appear to play with a straight bat.
        As far as I can tell, this little media fiasco is the electorate office’s own creation.
        
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        July 15, 2017 3:05pm
    - KevOB
      
      If you want the issue to go away why keep raising it?
      
      Now I have an issue for you: what about the payment for the interns? There is a missing donor. Please help us find him. You may find a clue in here:
      
      Labour Interns:
      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzSYCyt06Oj8LWtxVTZ1UEk1ekk
      
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      July 15, 2017 2:54pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Both
      
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      July 15, 2017 5:54pm
- niggly
  
  About the “journalist” (cameraman) who left the “tape recorder” that “accidentally” recorded Key and Banks. Let me rephrase what happened in easy to understand everyday language (and I don’t mean you Jack, I mean for the duplicitous MSM who deflected and spun what actually happened).
  
  Think about it like this, in essence the camerman left what could be considered to be equivalent to a “bugging device” or “eavesdropping device” on the table. It wasn’t a “tape recorder” as such, it was a wireless microphone (or in computer-speak, equivalent to a “blue-tooth” wireless microphone). Sure at this point we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he left it there by “accident” (because in his own words at the time he along with the MSM were asked to leave the cafe).
  
  The two things that happened next can’t be considered an “accident” though.
  
  1. His videocamera (to which the wireless microphone was transmitting to) was Recording (Key/Banks’ conversation). Videocameras don’t record by accident, they record when the operator pushes the record button. So how come then it was recording? (I think people can draw their own conclusions. Pity the MSM ignore all this).
  
  2. The cameraman, contracted to the NZ Herald, must have told NZ Herald staff about the “accidental” recording because according to the following NZH article NZH staffers became aware of it and organised for the cameraman to drop off the recording so they could listen to it.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11609448
  
  (I think people can draw their own conclusions as to why the cameraman advised NZH staff about the recording rather than he keeping it quiet and deleting it, after all he was “breaking the law” by recording a private conversation … the same thing that Barclay was alleged to have done … (perhaps it wasn’t Barclay’s fault because the cameraman/MSM set a precedent in effect it was ok …. or really is it the MSM being duplicitous and practicing double standards)?
  
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  July 15, 2017 10:24am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Niggly,
    Thank you for that explanation. In the old days the newspapers would explain all that, but those days are gone.
    Most significant; he did not accidentally leave a tape recorder on the table. He left a wireless microphone, the sort of which is frequently referred to as a bugging device.
    It is a pity that we must wait so many years to read the truth.
    
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    July 15, 2017 12:01pm
- Gabby
  
  Trying to recast the Toddger as victim sounds like a Jason Evil wheeze. Evil, Lush or Weaselton?
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:32am
- Gabby
  
  It’s at least as interesting a business as how some female came by 9 kids jacksie.
  
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  July 15, 2017 1:36pm
Nukuleka

RNZ news follows a snide and snaky report about a judge in Hawaii challenging aspects of President Trump’s travel ban on 6 predominantly Muslim countries with a report of an attack in Egypt that has left a number of female tourists dead. Of course, the reason for the killings is not as yet known, the ideology of the assailant is not stated, there is no mention as yet of his ‘disturbed mental state’. That will come in due course.

Egypt is not one of the countries included in the ban, but the very reason the ban is in place is to deter this type of attack occurring in the USA. It’s a pity that those responsible for RNZ news cannot make the obvious connection.
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July 15, 2017 9:13am
- PhilBest
  
  One thing Kiwis might not be clear about is “the 9th circuit court of appeals” in the USA. That is like a repeated charade; they are a pack of fruit loops to whom lefty agitators take all their cases; they hand down totally unconstitutional lefty-activist edicts; which the Supreme Court then overturns in just however many weeks it takes to wind through the machinery.
  
  It is a pity the Constitution did not have some form of feedback loop to just impeach obvious abusers of the system like what the “9th circuit” has become.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:33am
  - virtualmark
    
    And yet the (pesky) facts show that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has broadly the same reversal rate at the Supreme Court as the other Circuits do (roughly two-thirds of decisions referred to the Supreme Court are reversed) …
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:07am
    - PhilBest
      
      The reasons for the reversals can be all sorts of things, but the 9th circuit is disproportionately lefty judicial activism that outraged all constitutional principles. The other courts reversals are much more innocuous matters as a rule.
      
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      July 15, 2017 4:59pm
      - MCos
        
        How are these judges, which you variously describe as lefty judicial activists & fruit loops, appointed?
        
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        July 15, 2017 6:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Perhaps if you pulled your head out of your ass you might work it out.
        What an idiot- lol
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:45pm
      - MCos
        
        I know how it’s done. The same way as the Supreme Court judges are appointed.
        So.
        By they must be activists & fruit loops too, eh?
        
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        July 16, 2017 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  Like this sad story of the two murdered Israeli security men.
  
  “Israel’s Shin Bet security service later named the three attackers as Mohammed Ahmed Mohammed Jabareen, 29, Mohammed Hamed Abd Al-Latif Jabareen, 19, and Mohammed Ahmed Mafdal Jabareen, also 19, noting that none had previous security convictions.”
  
  Three Mohammeds emulating Mohammed.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/14/shooting-attack-jerusalem-temple-mount-friday-prayers
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:36am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Headline
    
    “Palestinians on way to prayer session executed by IDF”
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:20am
- Gabby
  
  This happened in Egypt right? Chump advocates banning travel TO these muslim countries?
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:34am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

NZ Humans Rights youtube anti white project “Give Nothing To Racism” starring mediocre film maker who did “Boy” – you know that movie with the fat obnoxious maori kid ( talk about pushing sterotypes).

Well the comments section is interesting.

A negro Mohammedan ( claims he is in NZ ) reveals the irrational minds of these colourful imports and their hatred for whites;

This is his list of illustrious Islamic democracies:

“Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, , Uzbekistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia”

He waxes lyrical about the loving kindness of Mohammedans, but the mask soon slips under pressure from critics:

“A Muslim can be of any race. Muslims are brothers and sisters regardless of race. Thats what distinguishes us from you. We don’t have this hatred you have for each other based on race or specifically that white judeo-christians have for non white people.”

Hates gays. Where are you now oh Liberal whities when it is a negro muslim being anti gay?:

” It wasnt long ago that scientists considered homosexuality a mentall illness. Its sad that we’re accepting of people with the mindset that is completely against the natural disposition of mankind.”

Makes death threats:

“Not necessarily we will kill you. we give y’all a chance to keep your honour.”

Proud of his pedophiliac saviour:

” Im proud that the Prophet peace be upon him married a 9yr old who was past puberty”

The usual extremist attitude:

“Islam is the only religion that united humans. Its the only solution for the world.”

This is why 3rd World immigration needs to be halted before it is too late.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9n_UPyVR5s&lc=z13ycj0i0xi3ctrl0230xrsbiwe5u15mx.1497937339124364
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July 15, 2017 9:18am
- EAD_TWO
  
  https://redice.tv/news/nz-anti-racism-campaign-target-whites
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:23am
- Scorpion
  
  IN ALL MY TIME IN
  
  AUCKLAND
  
  I ONLY WITNESSED RACIAL ATTACKS
  
  AGAINST WHITES
  
  TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN
  
  ESP MOUNT ROSKILL
  
  The Scene in Romper Stomper always
  Cracks me up as Russell Crowe is from Mount Roskill
  
  IT WAS IDENTICAL EXCEPT
  IS WAS POLYNESIANS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE WHITES
  
  WE ALL KNOW THESE CAMPAIGNS
  
  ARE TOTAL BS
  
  I LEFT TO KEEP MY WHITE FAMILY SAFE
  
  AND I AM NEVER COMING BACK
  
  I VALUE MY LIFE THANKS
  
  This Campaign only Confirms
  
  A DELIBERATE STATE FUNDED POLICY
  
  of
  
  WHITE GENOCIDE
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:39pm
DifferentPerspective

Another Diversity Dividend – Acid attacks

All that diversity in London is making it such an attractive tourist destination, where else can you enjoy being attacked by having acid thrown in your face.

All those champions of diversity keep on getting such amazing evidence their ‘tolerance’ is doing so much good in the western world.

The fact that the BBC is so assiduous about avoiding any reference to the identity of the apprehended perps is all the confirmation one needs to be assured the attackers are scientologist followers of the prophet L Ron Hubbard who are well known around the world for this barbaric practice.
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July 15, 2017 9:31am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s another charming “diversity” story from the Uk .
  
  Seem’s it’s OK to hate old white men.
  
  “The proposals were unveiled by Professor Patrick Leman, the Institute’s dean of education, who said that the faculty should not just be filled with “busts of 1920s bearded men” but rather more modern, diverse scholars so that the Institute feels less “alienating”.
  
  Facing widespread criticism at the time, the university defended its review of a “window display policy” on the grounds that some images had been unrepresentative of the “diversity of our university community”.
  
  Professor Leman, who describes himself as “tribal Labour” in blogs, added that portraits lining the main entrance are “almost entirely white middle-aged men” and will be replaced with a “wall of diversity”.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:50am
  - Scorpion
    
    MORE
    ANTI WHITE BULL SH*T
    FROM A BUNCH OF IN BRED
    RETARDS
    
    Jesus if White People are so offensive
    to them why do they not go and live
    in a Non White Utopia set up by freed
    
    Free Thinking Slaves
    
    Like say …
    
    Liberia
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo
    
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    July 15, 2017 8:26pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  The perpetrators are 15 and 16 years old and live in East London.
  
  All the cockney Brits have been ethnically cleansed from the place of EastEnders and based on the casual randomness of the violence, it’s almost certainly Negroes.
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-last-whites-of-east-end.html?m=0
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:53am
- GoVege
  
  Only the criminally insane or a recent immigrant from a very primitive brutal country could dream up such an evil attack.
  The UK had better figure out fast where these twisted basta*ds come from and send them back/ stop more coming in.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:23pm
VicParking

Down with the flu, why I say as I had the injection.
Went to the doctor who told me the free injection provided by our “Drug buying agency” does not cover the type I have got. It seems they brought the cheap version, last years, and took the gamble that the latest strain would not hit NZ this winter. WRONG…. It seems with all our tourists from far flung lands it arrived just in time.
http://www.influenza.org.nz/2017-seasonal-influenza-vaccine
“There may be some cross protection against an influenza virus not in the vaccine.”
“Each year an influenza vaccine is made available in the autumn to cover the most common flu strains expected to be circulating for that Year”
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July 15, 2017 9:32am
- holysheet
  
  I asked my doctor if it was worth having. Given my good health and my relative seclusion away from the general disease infested population, his answer was no. Just as well.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:49am
  - Inandout
    
    I turned down my doctor’s latest offer given the last 3 jabs resulted in 3 bouts of flu. I would rather take my chances and keep ingesting lemon juice from my bountiful citrus trees.
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:04am
  - VicParking
    
    Which Prison are you in. We may be in the same one. I need someone to pick up my soap for me.
    
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    July 15, 2017 10:06am
    - Inandout
      
      Soap is so yesterday darling; it’s now soft solution in a bottle hung around your neck. Little chance of the bottle falling on the shower floor.
      
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      July 15, 2017 10:41am
    - holysheet
      
      Seclusion away from the general disease infested population, doesn’t always refer to prison. So no, I will not be joining you in the showers anytime soon. You keep away from the diseased buggers in there with you.
      
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      July 15, 2017 12:40pm
      - RF
        
        Surprise sex is fantastic as long as you are not a prison inmate rooming with Bubba.
        
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        July 15, 2017 4:26pm
      - holysheet
        
        That honor awaits kim.com when he finally gets to the states.
        
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        July 15, 2017 5:13pm
      - Longknives
        
        Jesus- You’d have to be one hell of a ‘Chubby Chaser’ wouldn’t you?
        
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        July 15, 2017 5:21pm
  - jcuk
    
    Sure the safest procedure is to get the jabs as offered, free in my case, and stay away from crowds.
    My last sickness followed going to a packed movie theatre 🙁
    I have Netflix now so little incentive to see ‘movies’ 🙂
    
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    July 15, 2017 11:08am
    - Viking2
      
      The safest is not to have it. Two years ago had an injection and finished up with polymialgia. Its a shit of a disease. Hopefully goes away within 3 years. Lots and lots of older people getting it.
      In a house on Thursday and of 5 people 3 of us had or have had it.
      
      Strikes older people. Seems to be people with a lowered immune system for some reason. Freezes up your hips so you can’t move. Can’t lie down nor anything. Usual pain killers don’t work. Prendisone the only relief.
      
      Met lots of people since it struck me that have been afflicted. Been told by the specialist at Tga Hospital they have some 800 people registered with it. Couldn’t diagnose it when I went in there.
      
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      July 15, 2017 7:58pm
holysheet

This is the kind of immigrant we need.

The man who built a $1bn firm in his basement

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40504764
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July 15, 2017 9:46am
Inandout

Mt Rodrigues is a Roman Catholic. Had he been a Muslim Pakistani he could not have worked ‘crazy hours’ to get things off the ground. Buggering off to the mat 5 times a day would surely have broken his train of thought, and is perhaps a reason why Islam produces very few original thinkers.
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July 15, 2017 10:47am
- itstricky
  
  A, less than 30 second Google, provides:
  
  Amr Awadallah co-founder of Cloudera
  Khaled Hussein co-founder of Tilt Tilt | CrunchBase
  Jawbone co-founder Hosain Rahman
  Omar hamaoui (Founder of Admob, Acquired by Google)
  Mohamed Abdallah co-founder of soft machines The 12 Best-Funded Startups You Probably Never Heard Of
  Abbas el Gamal, Former Chair of Electrical Engineering department in Stanford, Network Information Theorist and Winner of the Claude E. Shannon Award. And one of the early pioneers of Field Programmable Gate Arrays (co-founding Actel in the 80s) Abbas El Gamal named Chair of Department of Electrical Engineering
  Taher el Gamal, the driving force behind SSL and more importantly the inventor of the ElGamal discrete log cryptosystem, the basis for the digital signature algorithm
  Wael Ghonim & Osman Ahmed Osman co-founders of Parlio (Quora’s first acquisition)
  Jawed Karim – Co Founder of Youtube
  Salman Khan (Khan Academy)
  
  Admittedly, I have not checked these in those 30 seconds, and they are unverified, but it’s enough to suggest that you have made an incorrect correlation between prayer habits and intellectual or entrepreneurial capability.
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:20am
  - Inandout
    
    And we could go on, but I omitted Jews as they are by far the most numerous:
    
    https://relevantmagazine.com/god/worldview/9-groundbreaking-scientists-who-happened-be-christians
    
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    July 15, 2017 11:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Karim was one of three people credited with founding Youtube .
    
    This is Wikipedia’s description of the founding of Youtube :
    
    The service was created by three former PayPal employees – Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim
    
    Max Weber was one of the first to establish the relationship between religion and enterprise, with his work, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.
    
    Don’t think Islam rates highly at all in modern enterprise, science, or business.
    
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    July 15, 2017 1:43pm
    - itstricky
      
      A? Really? That’s why it says “co-founder”
      
      Reply back when you are one of three founders of one of the most useful and popular sites on the web, Jack.
      
      No, hell, make it 1 in 5. I’ll be kind on you.
      
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      July 15, 2017 9:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Aren’t all religions about suppressing thought?
  
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  July 15, 2017 12:05pm
  - itstricky
    
    That 5-all tick result is a classic “my religion is best and all others are crap” vote.
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:16pm
  - MCos
    
    By definition
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:20pm
Fletch

Check out these “there are more than two genders” t-shirts…. that come in only two genders. 😆

https://glenntstanton.com/2017/07/13/non-binary-t-shirts-come-in-only-two-genders/
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July 15, 2017 12:27pm
- holysheet
  
  This is my choice
  https://omegaforums.net/attachments/wet-tshirt-1-jpg.126144/
  
  And this is Mrs Holy’s
  
  http://skygay.ru/attaches/news/0/00/50_b.jpg
  
  No other options available
  
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  July 15, 2017 2:15pm
Jack5

An end to the West Coast strange award of local body civil engineering contracts to the Indian lady who owned an Auckland cake shop.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11890769
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July 15, 2017 1:38pm
Stars And Stripes

Blenheim woman was ‘having a fantastic holiday’ before jet blast killed her
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/94739152/blenheim-woman-was-having-a-fantastic-holiday-before-jet-blast-killed-her

Well that’s nice to know.
Next weeks headline:
Man was having an “awesome day” before being eaten by shark.
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July 15, 2017 1:40pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Stars And Stripes,
  It wasn’t the jet blast per se that killed her; it was the low concrete wall onto which she was blown.
  See the video at 25 sec. (slow motion) to see what very likely happened to her.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmQtpnQBJnI
  
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  July 15, 2017 1:48pm
- holysheet
  
  The jet blast didn’t kill her. It was her stupidity of putting herself there that killed her.
  
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  July 15, 2017 2:19pm
GoVege

Any comments on the death of the Chinese noble prize winner and democracy campaigner Liu Ziaobo this week in a Chinese prison?
Or the upcoming dogmeat festivals all over China and South Korea of millions of man’s best friend?
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July 15, 2017 2:10pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  1.I think Ron Jeremy was a more deserving winner of the peace prize personally.
  2. Start a campaign suggesting they eat cats instead.
  
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  July 15, 2017 2:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    Such a caring dude you are s&s.
    You will be sadly missed when you peg it.
    
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    July 15, 2017 4:48pm
    - nasska
      
      How about a Beer Roasted Cat Go Vege? It’d beat another feed of salad or soya sausage hands down. 🙂
      
      http://www.ooze.com/ooze13/cats.html
      
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      July 15, 2017 5:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m not a cannibal, nasska.
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:18pm
  - Viking2
    
    They already do. The like em as well.
    
    https://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=chinese+cats+for+eating&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=aqn2j1nYssl2NM%253A%253BddLH3udxbug6lM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Farticle-3103008%25252FRows-pet-dogs-beaten-death-hanging-hooks-cats-skinned-ready-dinner-table-Inside-Chinese-meat-festival-banned-year.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=aqn2j1nYssl2NM%253A%252CddLH3udxbug6lM%252C_&usg=__MIRSFUv1drutLkUeGrkkoOpCYVc%3D&biw=1525&bih=701&ved=0ahUKEwjVu-bK6orVAhXEJ5QKHe5GAqAQyjcIVQ&ei=VM1pWdXBKsTP0ATujYmACg#imgrc=aqn2j1nYssl2NM:
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=chinese+cats+for+eating&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=VM1pWc-3H4jp8we_iis
    
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    July 15, 2017 8:10pm
    - Viking2
      
      Cat and Dog Takeaway.
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=chinese+cats+for+eating&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=aqn2j1nYssl2NM%253A%253BddLH3udxbug6lM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Farticle-3103008%25252FRows-pet-dogs-beaten-death-hanging-hooks-cats-skinned-ready-dinner-table-Inside-Chinese-meat-festival-banned-year.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=aqn2j1nYssl2NM%253A%252CddLH3udxbug6lM%252C_&usg=__MIRSFUv1drutLkUeGrkkoOpCYVc%3D&biw=1525&bih=701&ved=0ahUKEwjVu-bK6orVAhXEJ5QKHe5GAqAQyjcIVQ&ei=VM1pWdXBKsTP0ATujYmACg#imgrc=DNLdZxZSfOq6DM:
      
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      July 15, 2017 8:16pm
    - GoVege
      
      Do you approve or disapprove Viking?
      I can’t tell.
      
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      July 15, 2017 8:59pm
      - nasska
        
        He approves! V2 used to own a bakers.
        
        Thousands of moggies were recycled into his mince & cheese pies. 🙂
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: Are you getting bored with slaughtering trusting sheep and moo-cows?
        Are you moving to man’s best friend and puddy people?
        Don’t do it nasska!
        You know what experts say is the next step after domestic pets….
        (I admit I’m a bit soured off tonight coz Mr Govege and Vege Junior brought home a ton of cow and lamb tonight and cooked it.)
        
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        July 15, 2017 9:52pm
- Scorpion
  
  NO OTHER THAN TO SAY
  
  NEW ZEALAND WILL SOON
  
  BE A CHINESE PRISON
  
  SOONER IF YOU VOTE
  
  NATIONAL SOCIALIST
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:22pm
Jack5

Wait for the kick back, folks …

A prominent British university is to take down busts of white founders of one of its world-famous institutes. Responding to student pressure, these are to be replaced by items less alienating to ethnic minorities.

Some academics at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King’s College, London, believe current teaching is too “intimidating” for ethnic minorities.

The Telegraph reports that the moves come two years after King’s College sparked controversy by removing a photograph of Lord Carey, the former of Archbishop of Canterbury, in response to his opposition to gay marriage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/14/top-uk-university-replaces-busts-portraits-bearded-white-scholars/
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July 15, 2017 2:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You have to laff….
  
  Professor Patrick Leman who is pushing this is a bearded white guy… of old Anglo-saxon stock (going by his surname) and a graduate of those ancient alienating institutes – Oxford & Cambridge.
  
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  July 15, 2017 5:03pm
Odakyu-sen

I would think that ethnic minorities would have their spirits of competitiveness encouraged by all those busts of white founders; “I’ll show you what an educated _[insert ethnicity]_ man can do!”
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July 15, 2017 3:37pm
Nookin

Tana may have to put off the idea of coaching the ABs anytime soon. In fact, he may have to go back to tiddlywinks.
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July 15, 2017 4:49pm
- Longknives
  
  Careful Nookin- People get a bit touchy if you dare criticise ‘Saint Tana’ round these parts…
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:15pm
Nookin

At least he would then be engaging in the same activity as the Blues (well named team by the way).
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July 15, 2017 4:51pm
nasska

A man went into Rebel Sports and asked for, ” A pack of condoms please.”

“Sorry, this is a sports shop”, was the answer.

The next day he did it again then on the third day same again Then on the fourth day the customer asked again, ” a pack of condoms please”.

“What do you really want?” The cashier asked.

After plucking up the courage he asked, ” Can I have an Auckland Blues Supporter’s Jersey please”.
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July 15, 2017 5:30pm
- Longknives
  
  I thought the mere presence in the Squad of New Zealand’s supposed ‘Greatest Athlete Ever’ was going to ensure the Blues the title this year??
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:14pm
- dad4justice
  
  Most blues supporters are busy logging into John Depression Kirwan’s website seeking much needed help.
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    D4J:
    
    Is that the Beyond Blue website?
    
    beyondblue is an Australian, independent non-profit organisation working to address issues associated with depression, anxiety disorders and related mental disorders
    
    What an amazing coincidence that they didn’t decide to call it beyondcrusaders or beyondhurricanes. Obviously Blues supporters were seen as a special needs group!
    
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    July 15, 2017 7:08pm
  - GoVege
    
    Oh the humanity on Kiwiblog ! !
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:03pm
  - GoVege
    
    Suicide is a such an amusing subject isn’t it D4J ?
    
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    July 15, 2017 9:42pm
- Gabby
  
  That’s a much better contraceptive.
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:52pm
Nostradamus

Good news Nasska!

Hamilton the next big thing: projects line up for city of the future

It looks like there’s no stopping Hamilton. Big-ticket projects lined up include two major inland ports, major expressway links, a new riverside theatre, a $20 million Fonterra factory expansion, the Sevens series, a whole new suburb backed by a $272m Government loan, plus the proposed Waikato medical school.

Forget retirement from Eketahuna to the bright lights of Masterton! Go and live in the city of the future instead!

Hamilton: ‘Don’t judge a town by its chlamydia stats’
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July 15, 2017 6:09pm
- nasska
  
  No way Nostra!
  
  Haven’t you looked at the sexual diseases statistics lately? From what I’ve read you could catch another new antibiotic resistant strain of chlamydia just by standing in the queue at a Hamilton Lotto shop.
  
  I’d wear a spacesuit just to take the bypass route around the city! 🙂
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:20pm
Nostradamus

Peters: Andrew Little is on the verge of not even getting back into Parliament

Winston Peters: “If they fall another three or four points Andrew won’t be in Parliament. The fact is NZ First is going to keep on rising, we’re surging in the polls and this time nothing is going to stop us”.

Phil Twyford: I think when you’re on 14 per cent at best it’s a bit rich to be saying you should be the leader of the Opposition. Last time I checked Winston was not the leader of one of the two major parties”.

The 3-way coalition seems a bit unstable – and the election campaign (when the gloves come off and they attack each other in debates) hasn’t even started yet!
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July 15, 2017 6:21pm
- Happychappy
  
  Nostradamus: I wonder how much its costing Winston for Paddy Gower and Blubber Oil.
  
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  July 15, 2017 6:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Happychappy:
    
    The price of political favours is never cheap! Which reminds me – how much did this support cost:
    
    Chuck Bird
    
    Winston has the balls to make the offer [to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine]. Does Bill English have the balls to call his bluff? If is not bluff. I would happily join him.
    
    December 13, 2016 3:08pm
    
    How many of us would “happily join” Winston for a tea-party down a mine shaft?
    
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    July 15, 2017 7:01pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s interesting watching the senior’s reaction to Winston Peters Nostra. I recall in one of the 90s elections being in Carterton when the Peter’s Black Bus show wheeled into town.
      
      The massive bus parked under the town clock & after a delay the small, immaculately turned out politician alighted. The oldies were rapt…..their hero had arrived. Cheers drowned out clapping mixed with an undertone of whispered oohs & aarhs. I half expected a volley of used bloomers to be showered upon him but, mercifully, decorum won the day.
      
      My laborious point is that never underestimate the magnetic attraction Winston holds for the geriatric & semi senile……Chuck is a loyal & dedicated groupie! 🙂
      
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      July 15, 2017 7:19pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        At one level you have to stand back and admire a person who can survive in the political wilderness, election after election, using an elderly support base. The problem with an elderly support base, of course, is that people go and need to be replaced with new entrants. The golden oldies card seems to have done the trick. And Winston has made everyone else pay for it!
        
        (Mind you, I seem to remember Johnboy telling us that, gold card or no gold card, he wouldn’t be caught dead on a public bus with the great unwashed. Five-star transport or nothing for him!)
        
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        July 15, 2017 7:25pm
      - nasska
        
        JB hitches the stock crate to the back of the BMW when he takes Flossie out for a pension day knees-up Nostra. 🙂
        
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        July 15, 2017 7:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Nostradamus
        
        At one level you have to stand back and admire a person who can survive in the political wilderness, election after election, using an elderly support base.
        
        Overlooked in the current “Winston will get rid of the racist (sic) Maori seats” analysis is that, for a while there, he had all the Maori seats locked up. So he forged an unlikely coalition with the blue rinse Rob’s Mob brigade and tangata whenua. But hardly surprising as Maori voters are both conservative and more suspicious than most regarding Asian immigration…
        
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        July 15, 2017 7:31pm
Nostradamus

Energy-saving hobbit house in WA South West

Nigel Kirkwood, who fondly calls himself a modern-day hobbit, is living in his dream home in WA’s South West. This earth-sheltered house in Quindalup, around 20 kilometres from Busselton, is far from a typical home. There is almost 1,000 tonnes of dirt on top of the house, which helps it maintain a consistent temperature all year around. Mr Kirkwood said he saved up to $100 a cycle by not having heating and cooling. … The house is held together with almost 19 tonnes of high quality steel and covered in Polyurea water-proof coating, which makes it incredibly fire-proof.

Not exactly my idea of a “dream home”…
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July 15, 2017 6:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It seems to be preferable to this “green” design
  http://notrickszone.com/2017/07/07/unique-green-home-went-from-sustainable-to-hazardous-waste-site-in-just-months/#sthash.sYi0s2YB.dpbs
  
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  July 15, 2017 7:35pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    Now you’ve got me worried. Should we check in with Griff to make sure that his off-grid batch is based on safe and sustainable building practices?
    
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    July 15, 2017 7:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’re a saint, Nostradamus, worrying about fellow Kbers.
      
      Why don’t you offer up a prayer for his construction?
      
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      July 15, 2017 7:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        I might have to leave prayers for the resident experts. Nasska may be able to come up with a suitable turn of phrase. Or perhaps we could ask Kimbo for assistance in Griff’s time of need!
        
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        July 15, 2017 7:49pm
      - nasska
        
        Kimbo’s your boy. I have my suspicions that not only is he a Godwhack of some renote but he may have turned professional. 🙂
        
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        July 15, 2017 7:55pm
Gabby

Turning down the chance to have one foot in the grave? I don’t beLIEVE it.
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July 15, 2017 6:50pm
publicwatchdog

UPDATE FROM HER WARSHIP IN THE HAGUE!
15 July 2017

Join the dots folks!

Where could the public money come from to provide SOCIAL welfare for the vulnerable poor and needy?

By cutting CORPORATE welfare for the undeserving rich and greedy!

International research has PROVEN that contracting out (privatisation of public services formerly provided
in-house under the ‘public service’ model) is TWICE as expensive!

So! Let’s OPEN THE (public) BOOKS and CUT OUT THE (private) CONTRACTORS!

Shouldn’t PUBLIC money benefit the PUBLIC majority – not the PRIVATE minority?

Time to look after the PUBLIC 99% – not the CORPORATE 1%?

Here’s a blast from the past – a Press Release I made in 2011, when I stood as an Independent against John Banks in Epsom.

(I have been persistent and consistent on these matters for some years – and now folks are getting it!

YAY! 🙂

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1111/S00095/wheres-nationals-corporate-welfare-reform.htm

Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?
By: Penny Bright
Published: Thu 3 Nov 2011 05:28 PM

PRESS RELEASE: Independent Candidate for Epsom Penny Bright:

“How many billion$ of public monies could be saved by ‘CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS’?

3 November 2011

Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?

Which of the maor political parties are pushing for ‘corporate welfare’ reform and shrinking the long-term dependency of the private sector on our public monies?

Where is the ‘devilish detail’ at both local and central government level – which shows EXACTLY where our public rates and taxes are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

Why aren’t the names of the consultant(s)/ contrators(s) – the scope, term and value of these contracts, published in Council or central government Annual Reports – so this information on the spending of OUR public monies is available for public scrutiny?

Where are the publicly-available ‘Registers of Interests’ for those local government elected representatives, and staff responsible for property and procurement, in order to help guard against possible ‘conflicts of interest’ between those who ‘give’ the contracts and those who ‘get’ the contracts?

Where’s the ‘transparency’?

Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the least corrupt country in the world – along with Denmark and Singapore, according to Transparency International’s 2010 ‘Corruption Perception Index – shouldn’t we arguably be the most transparent?

Going back a step – where are the New Zealand ‘cost-benefit’ analyses which prove that the old ‘Rogernomic$ mantra – public is bad – private (contracting) is good’ can be substantiated by FACTS and EVIDENCE?

At last – someone – somewhere has actually done some substantial research – which proves the opposite.

That ‘contracting out’ services that were once provided ‘in-house’ is actually TWICE as expensive.

“USA Project On Government Oversight (POGO)[1] decided to take on the task of doing what others have not—comparing total annual compensation for federal and private sector employees with federal contractor billing rates in order to determine whether the current costs of federal service contracting serves the public interest.

http://www.pogo.org/pogo-files/reports/contract-oversight/bad-business/co-gp-20110913.html

Executive Summary

Based on the current public debate regarding the salary comparisons of federal and private sector employees, the Project On Government Oversight (POGO)[1] decided to take on the task of doing what others have not—comparing total annual compensation for federal and private sector employees with federal contractor billing rates in order to determine whether the current costs of federal service contracting serves the public interest.

The current debate over pay differentials largely relies on the theory that the government pays private sector compensation rates when it outsources services.

This report proves otherwise: in fact, it shows that the government actually pays service contractors at rates far exceeding the cost of employing federal employees to perform comparable functions.
POGO’s study analyzed the total compensation paid to federal and private sector employees, and annual billing rates for contractor employees across 35 occupational classifications covering over 550 service activities.

Our findings were shocking—POGO estimates the government pays billions more annually in taxpayer dollars to hire contractors than it would to hire federal employees to perform comparable services.

Specifically, POGO’s study shows that the federal government approves service contract billing rates—deemed fair and reasonable—that pay contractors 1.83 times more than the government pays federal employees in total compensation, and more than 2 times the total compensation paid in the private sector for comparable services. ”
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The implications of this both nationally and internationally are HUGE.

If NZ central government figures are comparable with those of USA Federal Government – could the current NZ $82 billion central government spend be sliced in half by $40 billion ‘CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS’
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Penny Bright
Independent Candidate for Tamaki.
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July 15, 2017 8:00pm
- nasska
  
  Cuckoo?
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:01pm
- Nostradamus
  
  And the GD thread was going so well…
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:02pm
- Longknives
  
  “Where could the public money come from to provide SOCIAL welfare for the vulnerable poor and needy?
  By cutting CORPORATE welfare for the undeserving rich and greedy!”
  
  Says the person on a ‘Perk Trip’ to Europe at the expense of others…
  
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  July 15, 2017 8:31pm
- GoVege
  
  Give it a rest Peggy.
  Channel that energy into saving dogs from the upcoming dogmeat festival.
  Do it for the doggies..and puppies.
  
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  July 15, 2017 9:37pm
- renderer
  
  You did so well getting the $5K + to get to the Hague. Your next mission should be to bleed the money to pay your rates. Shouldn’t be too hard now youv’e got the hang of it.
  
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  July 15, 2017 11:03pm
Tauhei Notts

I caught the Mainsail programme on CNN earlier tonight. I rarely watch CNN or TVNZ or TV3.
But this was about the recent America’s Cup.
Any New Zealander who saw the programme and did not feel a degree of pride; well, I hope your cabbages get the blight.
The Americans were very complimentary about the NZ effort. And there was none of that infantile TVNZ patriotic platitudinous pap. I loved it, but that might be because it was the only programme I have seen on CNN that did not have a dig at The Donald.
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July 15, 2017 9:17pm
Scorpion

WINSTON FOR PRESIDENT

MAKE

NEW ZEALAND

NEW ZEALAND again

Say no to Communist Gulags

VOTE NEW ZEALAND FIRST
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July 16, 2017 12:12am
Manolo

Oh dear:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/14/lie-after-lie-after-lie-fox-news-shepard-smith-has-a-cronkite-moment-on-russia/?utm_term=.31fb84a6ff89
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