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duggledog

‘Jonah From Tonga’

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201850029/culture-clash-over-controversial-comedy

Some of the best comedy is only a shade away from the truth – The Office, Yes Minister and so on. I suspect at the time, some MPs and bureaucrats privately didn’t like the borax being poked at them.

Jonah from Tonga is a pretty typical product for Australian TV; there’s much worse of course.
Google ‘Housos’ – a parody of life among social housing folk – and everything is on the table. If it were screened here there would be national outrage.
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July 10, 2017 8:01am
- Happychappy
  
  Billy T James would have had a field day mocking the people responsible for making this political.
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:23am
  - RRM
    
    We would be living in a different country today if Billy T hadn’t died young.
    
    A huge loss.
    
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    July 10, 2017 12:23pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I thought Housos was a documentary about living somewhere in West Auckland or Lower Hutt
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:57am
duggledog

Of course, the real reason the YHAs in Auckland are falling over is because central and local government are finding out there’s no point building loads of new houses when the infrastructure (roads, schools etc) are already at collapsing point and people can’t get to work to service their giant mortgages

YHAs and subdivisions in West Auckland have been put on hold by ACC because of this. They held a public meeting about it a couple months back
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July 10, 2017 8:05am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Since when has the Government been responsible for Youth Hostels duggledog?
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:12am
  - ztev
    
    Doesnt he mean SHA’s. Those sham projects which were supposed to be about providing a portion affordable for first home buyers.
    national hoodwinked the public and that will come back to bite them come election time.
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:53am
    - Viking2
      
      SHA’s were about fast tracking the RMA & consents. Lots in Auckland have decided they make more money by not using the SHA.
      
      Waste of time. all the minister needed to do was rattle the time cages so that councils had to get offa their bums.
      
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      July 10, 2017 9:31pm
rightoverlabour

Yup Agree, The fact that so much fuss has been made about this shows its very accurate in its portrayal of this bunch. If you can’t laugh at your self, leave the human “race”.
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July 10, 2017 8:06am
waikatogirl

10th of July. 50 years today NZ changed currency from pound, shilling and pence to ? and cents.
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July 10, 2017 8:17am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes I started my apprentiship before the 1967 change over and was on four pound two and sixpence so you look at today’s wages we have come a long way since then.
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:28am
  - nasska
    
    Yeah no. A packet of smokes was 2/6d & a jug in a public bar was 2/10d the same as a gallon of standard petrol.
    
    I reckon we’ve been running flat out to stay where we were.
    
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    July 10, 2017 8:43am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If a packet of cigarettes was 2/6d (25 cents?) in 1967, but, say, $20 today, then you could compare how many packets of cigarettes you could buy on a week’s wages in 1967 with how many you could buy today (in the same kind of job).
      
      For example, $20 a week in 1967 = 80 packets of cigarettes = $20 x 80 = $1,600 a week.
      
      (Cigarettes are not a good example due to the tax.)
      
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      July 10, 2017 9:19am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        And a $20,000 house in Auckland in 1967 now costs $1,600,000 (worth its weight in cigarettes…)
        
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        July 10, 2017 10:19am
    - sooty
      
      Over the road at dairy. Pie,coke and cone ice cream was 2s 6p. About 63/64.
      
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      July 10, 2017 12:27pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      In Jamaica you can get a steak and kidney pie for $1.75, a chicken and mushroom pie for $1.60 and an apple pie for $2.15. In St Kitts and Nevis a steak and kidney pie will cost you $2, a chicken pie (without mushrooms) is $1.70 and a cherry pie can be yours for $1.95. In Trinidad and Tobago, that steak and kidney pie comes in at $2.50, but you can buy two for $3.50, while the chicken and mushroom pie is $2.25, or two for $3.25. They also offer meat and potato pie for $2, or two for $3. Their apple pies and cherry pies are often sold for $2.75, or two (any combination) for $4.75.
      
      Those my friends are the Pie Rates of the Caribbean.
      
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      July 10, 2017 4:25pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        and the average income is?????
        Prices without a refernce is rediculous.
        
        Cigarettes in western countries are taxed to death. You can buy a packet of 20 here in Phnom Penh, Cambodia for under $2.
        But average income for working class smokers is $200 a month
        
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        July 11, 2017 7:50pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My father was quite big in an industry that he rated a brief mention in an Australasian Who’s Who of that industry.
  The start line said; “m Hilda Vivian 4s 2d.”
  What’s this 4 shillings and tuppence asked my second brother.
  It’s 4 sons and two daughters, you silly boy.
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:42am
  - KevOB
    
    Try 16/8. (Approx $1.67).
    
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    July 10, 2017 8:59am
    - holysheet
      
      16 kids to 8 fathers? thats common amongst ferals here
      
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      July 10, 2017 9:08am
      - KevOB
        
        It was common in that form to omit “s” and “d”. There was no confusion then whether we were dealing with sons or daughters.
        
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        July 10, 2017 10:18am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dad decided we would have fish and chips for dinner than Monday night. Fish went from 9d to 8c per piece, and chips from 6d to 5c per scoop. The family of four was fed for under a dollar.
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:14am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Prices in Japan have hardly budged in 30 years for some items.
    Back in 1985, a can of coffee from a vending machine cost 100 yen. Last year, it was 120 yen (and that includes 8% GST that didn’t exist in 1985). For the SAME product.
    Rents have stayed flat for decades. House prices have stagnated.
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:27am
  - KevOB
    
    Rabbits were 9d ea., bread 2d/loaf, flix 6p-1s.
    
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    July 10, 2017 10:13am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Fish went from 9d to 8c per piece,
    
    Not unless there was a price rise it didn’t.
    
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    July 10, 2017 10:17am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  1966, had a paper round. (Waikato Times) lol.
  For 90 odd papers delivered 6 days a week over 4 miles I was paid 13 shillings and 6 pence per week.
  Man that was a long time ago
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I recognise that; the Evening Post in Wellington, 12/6 per week going up to $1.50 plus tips!
    
    Taught me everything about money management I have ever needed to know for my life, spending that money in my head a thousand times over before saving everything I could to buy a Raleigh bike from Farmers with Sturmey Archer 3 speed gears and a carrier on the back for 23 quid (no pound key on this keyboard)
    
    Island Bay, education for life.
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:47am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      My first loan was to buy a new bike. Taught me money management. That’s prob why I have 2 freehold homes, 3 vehicles, 2 boats and a caravan amongst other assets. There’s poverty in NZ – can’t afford a house wa wa wa wa
      
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      July 10, 2017 9:59am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        No edit.
        Did I mention I am going to Alaska again? and I retire in 10 weeks. Suck it up cupcakes, you get back what you put in. Sit on your arse – you get nothing.
        Rant over
        
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        July 10, 2017 10:03am
      - Colville
        
        Steve NS
        Alaska? Hunting?
        
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        July 10, 2017 11:36am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Collville. No hunting, except for hunting the Aurora Borealis at Chena – Fairbanks. Maybe fishing at Talkeetna. Big jetboat takes us on wildlife tour. Train is most of the travel. Marine tour out of Seward. Fly to Homer for 4 days. In June 2015 we had daylight 24/7 – never saw a star. This time it is in Sept. And then there is all the fun in Honolulu there and back
        
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        July 10, 2017 1:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        Steve: How much did your first home cost?
        
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        July 10, 2017 6:17pm
    - KevOB
      
      That would have been a bit later than me. I was a paper boy both with a round or city stand for some years.
      When I was 11 I organised a strike one afternoon while selling the Evening Post at the CPO. The issues I think were aggrieved paper boys’ conditions and pay; we got 10s/week + tips for 6 days. we could take home a pound some days but tips if any varied a lot.
      
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      July 10, 2017 10:26am
    - howitis
      
      For Pound symbol try Alt + 0163 i.e. hold Alt key and type numbers 0163 gets £
      
      If someone from the herald or stuff is reading this they might learn something.
      We wish:)
      
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      July 10, 2017 10:55am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Heh; $1.40 in 1967. Hated those Saturday editions. Stuffing those into the bags was like jamming the green toad into a new Winkelmann number.
    
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    July 10, 2017 1:03pm
    - Paulus
      
      In around 1955 in London as a morning paper delivery boy at 10 shillings a week we had to sort each houses papers from about 8 available.
      On a weekend they were double sized broadsheet which you couldn’t carry on one delivery – sometimes took three deliveries (along with please fetch me a packet of Woodbines on your way back). Had to deliver before 8am as had to go to school.
      Christmas tips around 5 pounds – great once a year.
      Easter Sunday and Christmas day off.
      Rain and snow irrelevant the papers had to get through.
      
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      July 10, 2017 1:19pm
- howitis
  
  It was Muldoon who managed the successful conversion to decimal currency.
  
  This success set his path for greater things.
  Some might dispute that, but not that he did a good job on the changeover.
  
  Tenth of July..next year.
  no more LSD
  
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  July 10, 2017 11:00am
rightoverlabour

As W o O is MIA, I thought I’d get the ball rolling referring to this again.
http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

I see Griff is mentioned on another site in less than favourable terms. What are your climate credentials Griff? I have an MSc in Palaeoclimatology. I know a little, and try to learn more. I am not dogmatic about my position on climate change. I prefer to see the scientific eveidence and weigh up the facts. Unlike you, Griff.
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July 10, 2017 8:33am
- thedavincimode
  
  I thought I’d get the ball rolling referring to this again.
  
  Was that absolutely necessary?
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:37am
- Brigitte
  
  Funny thing is that I can’t find any record of the court trial or proceedings. Only copies of this on other denier sites and some reference to the fact that it’s all fake.
  
  By the way the “corrected” graph is actually one created in the 1980s as a schematic (no scale) and is in the IPCC report.
  
  But I shall take one for the scientists and get downticked into oblivion by the deniers. No, don’t thank me, it’s all water off a ducks back to me.
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:43am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually, the comments below the article are more enlightening than the actual article. It may well be fake, time will tell. I still think there is a bigger issue and that is the argument around CO2 saturation. https://skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm
    The comments that follow the skeptical science link must be read, although they go on for ever.
    I have read much of this, I still can’t get my head around some of the detail. I still think we are looking at the wrong source for any warming and that is the problem.
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read the article…
    It hasn’t yet got to Trial in the Canadian Supreme Court.
    Michael Mann filed his SLAPP 6 years ago…. and in Feb 2017 asked for a stay of proceedings.
    “Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you scroll down the comments section in your Principia- scientific link, you will discover Wm of O in his Dennis Horne phase…. (around July 5).
  
  You can also locate him over at the Climateconversation where the blog boss is wondering if Dennis can curb his use of foul profanities.
  http://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/07/is-stephen-hawking-above-physics/comment-page-1/#comment-1534480
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:46am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Maggy sweety
    Mann is suing for defamation.
    You must support your defamation on what you reasonably know at the time .
    You can not support a defamation with information you discover after making the statement.
    All the data for MBH1998 is available on line has been for years
    http://realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
    The smegwits are still stuck in 1998 wittering about a paper long since made obsolete with new information.
    Mann has a considerably amount of science confirming his early work including
    
    Pollack and Smerdon (2004)
    Moberg et al. (2005)
    D’Arrigo, Wilson & Jacoby (2006)
    Frank, Esper & Cook (2007) “Adjustment for proxy number and coherence in a large-scale temperature reconstruction”.
    Hegerl et al. (2007) “Detection of human influence on a new, validated 1500–year temperature reconstruction”.
    Juckes et al. 2007 “Millennial temperature reconstruction intercomparison and evaluation”.
    Loehle & McCulloch (2008) “Correction to: A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-tree ring proxies”.
    Mann et al. 2008 “Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia”.
    Mann et al. 2009 “Global Signatures and Dynamical Origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly”.
    Ljungqvist 2010 “A New Reconstruction of Temperature Variability in the Extra-Tropical Northern Hemisphere During the Last Two Millennia”.
    Christiansen & Ljungqvist 2012 “The extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere temperature in the last two millennia: Reconstructions of low-frequency variability”.
    Leclercq & Oerlemans (2012) “Global and Hemispheric temperature reconstruction from glacier length fluctuations”.
    Shi et al. 2013 “Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction during the last millennium using multiple annual proxies”.
    
    By the way sweety don’t ya think your thousand dollars would be better spent paying NIWA for that bullshite court case your hero’s lost and folded their trust to avoid paying for ?
    Cranks are so funny .
    
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    July 10, 2017 10:51am
- Gruffydd
  
  Principia Scientific International?
  And
  You have a msc Palaeoclimatology?
  
  Watch this from 8;00.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJQPyTVtNA
  Is that you Tim?
  
  You are a halfwtted idiot who has no idea at all about Palaeoclimatology or even the basics of Climate science.
  You just linked to a site that among other crank ideas denies quantum physics , the theory of black body radiation. and the greenhouse effect.
  ROFLMAO
  This paper would be included in Palaeoclimatology 101
  http://www.trunity.net/files/108501_108600/108531/arrhenius1896_greenhouse-effect.pdf
  You have no idea about such basics linking to such a fringe loonytune site .
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:15am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And your qualification is?
    
    I know a little about climate science and I am prepared to learn a little more. Unlike you. And I don’t usually try and resolve debates by calling people halfwitted idiots. I have been to a few sites where your name appears. Usually followed by the term idiot. Buts that’s not me, just others who have similar views.
    
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    July 10, 2017 12:51pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Did you watch the video ?
      It is a graphic demonstration of what a halfwit you are.
      Tim Ball and principia-scientific are a bunch of fringe loonytunes .
      Claiming to have a masters in a discipline when you can not even recognize such a basic load of tripe.
      Full of bullshite to match the lack of intelligence .
      
      Slowly numbnuts .
      Every major scientific body on the planet disagrees with you.
      You think they are all wrong based on reading a few crank blogs.
      Halfwit is a complement.
      As to the name Griff .
      Google Griff.
      Yip these are all me as well……………..!
      About 55,400,000 results.
      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Griff
      Top definition
      Griff
      A large, testosterone fuled, bear like, porn star. Usualy blessed with a penis exceeding 11″
      
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      July 10, 2017 2:20pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        So you actually agree with us Griff, that you are just a big prick.
        
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        July 10, 2017 3:04pm
Colville

I thought this bit of hip hop hypocrisy from a self styled lover of free speach was worth reposting..

Whaleoil

Nicky Hager did the same thing with Dirty Politics. He stated that he had information on journalists, and he didn’t use it to send a message that they should behave themselves in the future or else.
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V

Isn’t that the entire basis of your blog?
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ztev

His recent court case he had to admit its a mix of ‘truth and rumour and invention’.
Not much point to it when it costs you a $2500 a day lawyer to untangle all that
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Whaleoil

That is untrue and you know it.
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Colville

V.
I dont know if that is true or false but I do know you would get a life ban if you said that on WOBH.
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Whaleoil

No, people can say and do pretty much what they like, I will simply post an opposing point of view. I don’t believe in boycotts or silencing. Nicky Hager is fully entitled to his views, as I am to mine. He just see it that way. He wanted me silenced and removed from political debate. I refuse to play his game.
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rouppe

Wasn’t my experience. And I’m not even a hater
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matchbox

Nor my experience. And neither am I a hater. Contrary to what even Whaleoil himself knows about his very own blog, I suspect there are many many more whose “non-complying” views cost them lifetime bans. Just like CNN, at Whaleoil, you either toe the company line, or Bam!
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Boris Piscina

Well you silenced me over on your site Whale old chap, and that was simply for expressing an opinion.

From memory I don’t even think there was much bad language involved.

Just saying.

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Albert_Ross

You banned me for disagreeing with you in the flag debate
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Colville

and I got a life ban for a very civil question about your moderation.
I even appealed it via email and go told to fuck off.
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Sorry if you just dont give a fu*k and scroll past tho…!
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July 10, 2017 8:39am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Just checked again – nope, I’m still banned.
  
  Now Cameron has every right to decide who is and isn’t welcome on his blog; it is, after all, his blog, and freedom of speech doesn’t require you to facilitate speech by people whose views you dislike, any more than freedom of movement requires you to invite people you don’t like into your home.
  
  That would be a tenable argument. It’s very strange that he hasn’t used it, and is instead running with a line that is so easily demonstrated to be untrue.
  
  Does he genuinely not know that people are being blocked from participation in discussion on his site?
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:32am
  - Gruffydd
    
    https://xkcd.com/1357/
    
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    July 10, 2017 12:49pm
  - VicParking
    
    Still banned, coming up to three years. Mind you I called him a Dick Head. It seems with WO its life.
    
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    July 10, 2017 1:21pm
Nigel Kearney

This is priceless:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/94553993/israeli-diplomat-says-unesco-resolution-is-less-important-than-fixing-his-toilet

Though it could be worse. The UN could be in charge of actually fixing his toilet.
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July 10, 2017 8:39am
- emmess
  
  I am deeply concerned about Mr Shama-Hacohen’s toilet.
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:08am
  - RalphT
    
    In that case I take it you will be looking into the matter?
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:27am
- holysheet
  
  send for the slave labour chip wrapper. She has form in this area.
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:11am
Monique Watson

I used to get change from $5. For a packet of smokes; a pie and a pint.
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July 10, 2017 9:09am
- Longknives
  
  I remember the outrage when a Jug went from $4.80 to $5.20 at the Cook…
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    $1.00 in the baggies bar at RNZAF Ohakea 1973, less if you chose to lick the floor or suck on the ‘carpet’
    
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    July 10, 2017 9:54am
Longknives

When the Jonah from Tonga ‘controversy’ hit (though I’m not sure why as the show has been around for years!) the Editor from Mana Magazine went mental ranting and shrieking about “Racist Pakeha” etc

Then this morning I read this-
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/94530850/mana-magazine-editor-lashes-out-at-its-publishers-after-production-line-stops

Just put a smile on my face for some reason..Maybe if this woman wasn’t so freaking toxic the magazine might have been more successful?
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July 10, 2017 9:10am
Monique Watson

The Publican got change out of the Blowey. for illicitly supplying us alcohol.
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July 10, 2017 9:11am
- Longknives
  
  Hmm Maybe I do remember you from University…
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:15am
DifferentPerspective

Obama’s support for Trump’s policy on borders

Good to see Obama supporting Trump’s protection of the US border

Oh wait, that was when he was lying to the American people so they’d vote him in as President.

Lying! It’s ok when the Left do it!
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July 10, 2017 9:28am
MCos

What a triumph the G20 summit was for the man previously known as the Leader of the Free World.
He managed to ignore all those other leaders, who he despises, except Putin.
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July 10, 2017 9:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yup – shows real commonsense!
  
  Why listen to idiots who are tearing their own countries down and introducing terrorism to their previously peaceful streets.
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:44am
waikatogirl

Mosel has been liberated from the last nest of ISIL.
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July 10, 2017 9:36am
Monique Watson

Yep! The worst was when the Gardies closed. I remember every cigarette burn on those tables.
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July 10, 2017 9:40am
- Longknives
  
  I financed my way through Varsity working in the old Student Pubs- Gardies, Cook, Ori…(Most are closed now)
  Oh for a Hot Tub Time Machine!
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:58am
Happychappy

After succeeding in getting the plug pulled on the Hawkesbay dam the Greens have now set their sights on the Waimea Plains Dam just out of Nelson to have that mothballed also. This is just the start of the sabotage from the Greens if the coalition from he’ll succeed.
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July 10, 2017 9:51am
- ztev
  
  You mean the dam that requires a subsidy from the city ratepayers ?
  “Green Party Nelson candidate Matt Lawrey said farmers would not be able to afford to buy the water from the dam “without a huge taxpayer subsidy, and funding from not just the Tasman district’s ratepayers but from Nelson’s as well”.
  
  Socialism is Ok for national when its to benefit farmers
  
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  July 10, 2017 9:57am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Is it the Green Party’s contention that farmers should have cheap and easy access to water and that this is more likely to be the case if the dam is not built?
    
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    July 10, 2017 12:27pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Oh for the days of Stan Whitehead and Mel Courtny they wouldn’t have put up with this shit from the Greens.
    
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    July 10, 2017 1:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

G20. Donald Trump did not wear a G20 pin, he wore an American Flag.
Most unbecoming for the POTUS.
ffs
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July 10, 2017 10:07am
Lucia Maria

Very popular on twitter right now; a two minute video:

Australian journalist in brutal takedown of Donald Trump
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July 10, 2017 10:07am
- Ross12
  
  That’s his audition for a job a CNN , Lucia.
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:17am
- Nermal
  
  He’s a journalist giving his opinion so it must be true.
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:27am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  What a total dork the Aussie journo is.
  Trump’s speech in Poland was amazing, and will give impetus to the movement toward getting rid of the lame liberal leaders of Western Europe who are destroying their own countries and culture.
  Anthropogenic Climate Cahnge – pfft. a load of garbage – doctored figures show all the temperature increases since 1998
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:27am
  - MCos
    
    Trump clearly didn’t write that speech.
    If you want to know his state of mind you need to look at his Twitter babble.
    For example
    “Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded..”
    He wants to form a Cyber Security unity with that guy, ffs?
    No wonder Russia wanted him to win the presidency.
    
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    July 10, 2017 10:48am
    - Gabby
      
      To make sure the next ‘hack’ is guarded properly.
      
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      July 10, 2017 11:23am
    - Ross12
      
      Do any heads of state write their own speeches ? I’m sure he had lot of input into it –he did not seem to read it off a tele prompter. ( There were other speeches over there that he read off notes)
      
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      July 10, 2017 11:51am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Learn something Mcos.
      Very few presidents write their speeches – they have speech writers. They give the writer the gist of what they want to say, the writer writes it, the president edits/corrects it, then delivers the final version.
      
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      July 10, 2017 11:55am
      - MCos
        
        The contrast between his ‘speech’ and his fawning Tweet regarding Putin suggests he didn’t even give the writer an indication of the gist of what he wanted to say.
        It’s blatantly obvious the guy’s in bed with Putin, who is only interested in the advancement of Russia.
        
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        July 10, 2017 12:31pm
      - Paulus
        
        Trump updates any draft speech he makes a number of times himself.
        He does not use a teleprinter like Obummr did.
        
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        July 10, 2017 1:25pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Don,
    
    I happen to agree with the dorky Australian journalist. He’s just pointing out that Trump has no clothes in the most obvious way.
    
    While as Trump’s speech in Poland was the wrong speech in the place that commemorates the disaster that was the Warsaw Uprising where Poland was completely fucked over with Russian-controlled Red Army standing by.
    
    To talk about Islamic terrorism as being the major threat by Donald Trump who then has the gall to suck up to Putin in the way that he did, makes my stomach turn.
    
    Poland is 100x safer in a strong united EU than she is by herself with Russia looming in the background because that’s what Trump and those behind him envision when they want to take down the “liberal” EU leaders.
    
    I’m almost beyond being able to comment on the moron that currently “leads” the US.
    
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    July 10, 2017 6:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Looking at the comments it appears his followers all wank in the same direction, and boy they are nasty.
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  Lucia, is Dunajtschik out of step with the people of Poland, though? Didn’t I read they gave Trump a big welcome?
  
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  July 10, 2017 10:52am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Jack,
    
    Free buses were made available for Trump supporters to come into the city and protestors were kept well back.
    
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    July 10, 2017 11:52am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Excellent.
      The Polish people have got it sussed. 🙂
      
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      July 10, 2017 12:26pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Think of it another way. There were going to be so few supporters in the city, they had to bus them in from all over the country, offering free transport as an incentive.
        
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        July 10, 2017 6:42pm
- Colville
  
  I got 150 down ticks on Stuff for saying he should work for CNN 🙂
  
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  July 10, 2017 11:41am
Keeping Stock

What an amazing act of generosity:

Wellington is to get new $50m children’s hospital paid for by millionaire property developer Mark Dunajtschik.

The philanthropist will pay for, build and gift the hospital to Capital & Coast District Health Board (CCDHB).

Almost 30 years’ old, the current children’s hospital has been deemed not fit for purpose

“We’ve been working on a long-term plan for child health services, which included a new hospital but building wasn’t going to start for several years. Mr Dunajtschik’s generosity means we’ll get the hospital much sooner,” CCDHB chief executive Debbie Chin said.

The current hospital was the first of it’s kind in New Zealand, and each year more than 30,000 children passed through its doors, including the 4000 or so babies born there annually.

Existing child hospital and outpatient services – currently housed separately – will be merged in the new hospital.

“This amazingly generous offer will have such a big impact on the children we look after, their families and our staff,” CCDHB chair Andrew Blair said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/94558512/wellington-to-get-new-50m-childrens-hospital-paid-for-by-property-magnate

Well done Mark Dunajtschik!
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July 10, 2017 10:37am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND PRIME MINISTER BILL ENGLISH DESCRIBES HIS GOVERNMENTS AUCKLAND HOUSING FAILURE …

… Why are the local government bureaucratic basket cases such as Auckland failing to learn from the smaller and therefore functional local government units of Selwyn, Tauranga and Waimakariri ? … see bottom copy email of 30 June 2017 …

VIDEO: Bill English on affordable housing in Auckland | Radio New Zealand News

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/334786/video-bill-english-on-affordable-housing-in-auckland

Mr English told Morning Report the Auckland Housing Accord – under which the fast-track housing areas were set up – highlighted the challenges of trying to make private developers build affordable homes, and falling prices were not helping. … view and read more via hyperlink above …

… Near 9 incompetent years of tinkering have not worked … Labours meaningful housing policy is required … with urgency …

Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

http://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.

… Soon after the enactment of the Resource Management Amendment Act back in March, Bernard Hickey of NEWSROOM reported …

https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom

7. Just in case you missed it…

One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.

The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.

The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.

… To illustrate … Auckland example (h/t GF & MR) … this is NOT AFFORDABLE …

http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1338386026.htm

… while these Pulte Homes examples from Phoenix Arizona (h/t GF) ARE AFFORDABLE …

https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView

… Bill English and Nick Smith needs to check out the other simple industry structural measure, the ‘consent rates per 1000 population per annum’ May results for local government ‘star performers’ Selwyn (29.05); Tauranga (15.80); Waimakariri (11.58) on the one hand … and the bureaucratically bloated basket cases on the other hand being Christchurch (7.20); Auckland (6.57); Wellington (3.86) …
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July 10, 2017 11:29am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Has Capt Mainwarings creaky old ship ‘The Tory’ sunk … because it is so full of rot ? …
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:33pm
  - howitis
    
    Empty vessels make the most sound.
    
    At probably over 1000 words a day and zero ability to be concise old Huggy just rambles on.
    
    Ramble on from Led Zeppelin is excellent.
    Old ramblin’ Huggy –no so much.
    If fact not at all.
    
    Clearly the Captain got at you Hugh!
    you hugh… did I repeat myself?
    huggy hugh certainly does.
    
    Well done Cap. Mainwaring
    
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    July 10, 2017 1:09pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NEW ZEALAND: BASIC ‘NUTS & BOLTS’
      HOUSING PERFORMANCE INFORMATION REQUIRED
      
      The selected residential consent numbers May for the following territorial areas were …
      
      Building Consents Issued
      
      http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/industry_sectors/Construction/BuildingConsentsIssued_HOTPMay17.aspx
      
      New Zealand … 2794
      Auckland … 885
      Tauranga … 110
      Wellington … 67
      Christchurch … 225
      Waimakariri … 56
      Selwyn … 138
      
      The finance focused website Interest Co NZ rather surprisingly still just repeats these raw numbers …
      
      New dwelling consents are increasing but still lag well behind growing demand in Auckland where housing shortage continues to worsen | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88558/new-dwelling-consents-are-increasing-still-lag-well-behind-growing-demand-auckland
      
      The raw numbers on their own however don’t tell us much … unless they relate to the specific areas and population bases being discussed.
      
      Internationally, the accepted standard industry measure are the ‘consent / start / completion rates per 1000 population per annum.’
      
      So to get a real sense of the residential consenting activity each month, the raw Statistics NZ monthly numbers should be multiplied by 12 (annualized) and divided by the number of thousands of people within the areas being discussed.
      
      For example (using Statistics NZ June 2016 population figures) , let’s take Christchurch City with its population of 375,000 and its 225 consents for the month of May. Simply multiple the 225 by 12 to annualize it, which gives us 2700. Divide 2700 by 375 (the number of 1000 people living in Christchurch) which gives us a consent rate of 7.2 per 1000 population per annum. Hardly remarkable.
      
      Therefore …
      
      Pop (1000s) May consents / annualized Rate 1000 pop
      
      New Zealand 4700 2794 33528 7.13
      Auckland 1614 885 10620 6.57
      Tauranga 110 145 1740 15.80
      Wellington 208 67 804 3.86
      Christchurch 375 225 2700 7.20
      Waimakariri 58 56 672 11.58
      Selwyn 57 138 1656 29.05
      
      So … appropriately … based on the respective populations, the ‘star performers’ are Selwyn (as usual … by a country mile), Tauranga and Waimakariri.
      
      Not surprisingly, Wellington at about 3.86 per 1000 population per annum is the worst within the above table.
      
      What is the Wellington Council learning from the Selwyn Council ?
      
      What the wider public also need to know is the comparative detailed costs breakout of fringe new housing in middle North America, and the detailed pricing on the fringes of New Zealands metros … as Andrew Atkins explained early 2013 … with THE REAL DEAL …
      
      http://andrewatkin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-real-deal-housing-in-new-zealand.html
      
      I provided access to the Pulte Homes example in Phoenix, Arizoina recently … noting that when building areas in North America are discussed, they only include the ‘heated area’ (garaging is excluded).
      
      In comparing apples with apples with building area methodology in the Antipode (Australia and New Zealand), garaging needs to be added … about 6 x 6 metres or 36 square metres / 387.5 square feet …
      
      https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
      
      The Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey’s (13 to date) provide a useful guide on where to research true market pricing for housing … access all 13 Annual Surveys via …
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
      
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      July 10, 2017 4:13pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … ACCESS YESTERDAYS POSTS …
        
        UPDAYE … BURSTING HOUSING BUBBLES – AUCKLAND – TORONTO – CHRISTCHURCH …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_9_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1965394 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/weekend-links-8-9-july-2017/#comment-2912365
        
        Bang On: Housing affordability rises as an election issue … London (Ontario Canada) Free Press
        
        BURSTING HOUSING BUBBLES – AUCKLAND – TORONTO – CHRISTCHURCH …
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/macro-afternoon-227/#comment-2911935 … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/macro-afternoon-227/#comment-2911936 … and … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/auckland_house_prices_stabilise.html/comment-page-1#comment-1964872 (15sec delayed response time … extensive further postings above) …
        
        … No longer are people willing to unnecessarily pay a million bucks (Auckland), $770,000 (Toronto), $590,000 (Christchurch) … for what should be $250,000 – $300,000 in local currency … refer …
        
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        July 10, 2017 5:01pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        LOW COST FREIGHT TRANSPORT, AIR TRAVEL & CRUISING … WHY ISNT THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EVERYWHERE TOO ?
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-11-july-2017/#comment-2913467
        
        … Isn’t it remarkable how so much is becoming increasingly affordable and accessible … other than housing because of political and bureaucratic meddling ? …
        
        … FREIGHT TRANSPORT / CONTAINERIZATION …
        
        How Containerization Shaped the Modern World – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7IoT_WSRA
        
        Containerization: The Most Influential Invention That You’ve Never Heard Of – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZskaqBshs
        
        … AIR TRAVEL …
        
        Why Planes Don’t Fly Faster … Wendover Productions
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1QEj09Pe6k
        
        How Budget Airlines Work … Wendover Productions
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=069y1MpOkQY
        
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        July 11, 2017 3:30am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … CRUISING …
        
        Discount Cruises, Last Minute Cruises, Cruise, Cruise Line, Cruise Vacation
        
        http://www.vacationstogo.com/
        
        … AND … AFFORDABLE HOUSING … WHY NOT EVERYWHERE ? …
        
        We know how to produce affordable housing … example …
        
        Pulte Homes … Phoenix … Arizona
        
        https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
        
        … and check out other affordable or near affordable North American markets …
        
        2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
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        July 11, 2017 3:34am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Thanks for the compliment howitis. I didn’t even think that the failed property developer’s latest bout of verbal diarrohea was worthy of comment.
      
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      July 10, 2017 5:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Capt Mainwaring … For a study of failure go to the top of this thread and watch PM ‘Weak Willy’ English being interviewed by Kim Kill on today’s Morning Report..
        
        It is very sad.
        
        Former PM Key bailed late 2016 … giving Bill English the hospital pass. There never was much love lost between the pair of them anyhow.
        
        Immediately Key resigned 5 Dec … momentarily brave Bill came out saying his focus would be on housing, infrastructure and shared prosperity.
        
        Ah … but sadly within a week, our dear leader Weak Willy had buckled … and surprise surprise … extinguished completely the portfolio ‘Minister of Housing.’
        
        Is it Weal Willy or Buckling Billy … sadly … both it appears.
        
        He was doing all he could to incompetently and vainly bury the whole housing issue … because of his governments massive failures … as again illustrated with Kim Hill on today’s Morning Report.
        
        His colleagues will be horrified with what happened this morning. Is the heading towards a repeat of 2002 ?
        
        So far as I was concerned, Bill English’s embarrassing reversal early December was the last straw.
        
        We just have to bring an end to this constant diet of deception and gross incompetence. Check out the GONE GONE GOING section at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
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        July 10, 2017 5:38pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Typo … Kim Hill.
        
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        July 10, 2017 7:03pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        BNZ economists say recent media coverage of declining Auckland house prices could prove self-fulfilling | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88710/bnz-economists-say-recent-media-coverage-declining-auckland-house-prices-could-prove
        
        The prospect of a “reasonable correction” in Auckland house prices “grows by the day”, according to BNZ economists.
        
        In BNZ’s latest weekly Markets Outlook publication, BNZ senior economist Craig Ebert says recent housing market trends show prices, generally, to be going sideways in Christchurch, modestly down in Auckland and up almost everywhere else.
        
        “We expect the [forthcoming] REINZ June data to show more of the same.
        
        “But with Auckland’s large weighting, nationwide house price inflation is expected to fall further.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 10, 2017 7:26pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The map that lays bare Australia’s overcrowding crisis: Astonishing graphic shows how the population is focused in just a handful of cities … UK Daily Mail
        
        The map that lays bare Australia’s overcrowding crisis: Astonishing graphic shows how the population is focused in just a handful of cities … UK Daily Mail
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4680918/Australia-s-overcrowding-crisis-one-map.html
        
        • Australia is most centralised major country in world with most living in big cities
        
        • Two thirds of population live in capital cities and 80 per cent on the east coast
        
        • Capital cities grew twice as fast as everywhere else in the past five years
        
        • Map shows just how skewed the population is towards Sydney and Melbourne
        
        • Economist says people prefer big cities for the choice and riches they bring
        
        • Infrastructure not good enough for population and it might be too late to fix it
        
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        July 11, 2017 3:47am
- holysheet
  
  There ya go Hugh, put YOUR money where your mouth is and copy Mark Dunajtschik. I am sure you can follow his very generous gesture.
  
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  July 10, 2017 3:25pm
Stars And Stripes

Kiwisaver provider puts New Zealand’s biggest companies on notice with diversity ‘activism’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94484566/kiwisaver-provider-puts-new-zealands-biggest-companies-on-notice-with-diversity-activism
“Simplicity director Sam Stubbs wrote to the chief executives of the country’s top 50 listed companies over the weekend putting them on notice of its “diversity activism” initiative.
Each company has been given six months to come up with a diversity plan, and five years for it to be fully implemented.
Simplicity would also publish an annual diversity scorecard and new director Shamubeel Eaqub would spearhead the initiative, aided by Auckland University of Technology diversity researchers.
Simplicity managed about $175 million for 6500 clients, so was still a small player”

Yes I am sure the top 50 companies are shaking in their boots now that you have put them on notice.
If you withdraw that paltry $175 million they will go to the wall for sure won’t they.
Seriously you and your little company are a joke so run along and listen for the howls of laughter which follow you.
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July 10, 2017 11:39am
- Peter
  
  Is this the same guy who, in 2012, said this?
  
  “Shamubeel Eaqub says he tells his friends not to waste their money buying houses. “But they don’t listen to me.”
  
  Meanwhile, I guess some of his friends are sitting on an extra few hundred Gs, having not listened to him.
  
  “$175 million”
  
  Lol
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:17pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Anyone who wants “activism” should be kept well away from the boardroom.
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:32pm
- wiseowl
  
  Heard that arrogant sod on the radio this morning.Who does Mr Stubbs think he is?
  It is not his job to monitor what companies are doing other than returns for investors.
  This PC approach is OTT .Surely Company Directors should be picked on Merit full stop.
  I have sat around tables with all sorts of women and frankly they can be a pain in the backside.The wrong women get into decision making postions.
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:33pm
  - Peter
    
    I’d ask how his own company scores on the diversity charts.
    
    “Simplicity has a majority of female directors and trustees, people from a range of ethnicities, and 40 per cent of its senior management are women.”
    
    Okay, so will he be firing some of those female directors and appointing men?
    
    Also, I’m not seeing too many disabled people in that photo. Or Pacific Islanders. Or Maori. I can only guess how many cisnormative people they have, but I’m guessing it aint many.
    
    That’s the problem with diversity, you see. One can keep slicing it up endlessly until it becomes near impossible to have a good ol’ virtue signal.
    
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    July 10, 2017 12:43pm
  - Gabby
    
    Puller and Eyebrows for starters.
    
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    July 10, 2017 1:36pm
- Paulus
  
  Love Stubbs’s own record !
  
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  July 10, 2017 1:27pm
  - howitis
    
    Should we talk about Stubb’s time at Hanover Group?
    When it was in the poop.
    He got out just in time.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/169639/Hanover-CEO-resigns-after-seven-months
    … Stubbs, who resigned from the boards of 17 Hanover Group companies last week, is the second Hanover CEO to depart in short order….
    
    He did not have the wisdom to see Hanover was in a precarious state when he joined (2008) so why should he manage others’ funds?
    More than 10 finance lenders had already gone to the wall at that point.
    
    Yet somehow he thinks he can teach us all about decency, responsibility and I guess diversity and other buzzwords.
    
    After Hanover he promptly got into Tower and flogged off their funds incl. the Kiwisaver fund so what does he really know?
    
    This is low-calorie virtual signalling but supported by copy-and-paste lazy journalists.
    Dunedin and Auckland council have already lost ratepayers money from flogging of shares in ‘unethical’ companies or funds.
    It is their job to be prudent with money. Roads and footpaths not fizzy drinks and fags.
    Leave the fricking social work and virtue signalling to Twitter and those beta males and alpha females with a Bachelor of Social Work from Massey University.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/309854/auckland-council-to-review-investments
    …Auckland Council will conduct a full review of its investments after revelations that one of its funds holds shares in sugary drink and tobacco companies….
    
    Stubbs is hoisted by his own petard here:-
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/07-12-2016/a-war-has-broken-out-in-kiwisaver-heres-why-the-big-banks-and-funds-are-freaking-out/
    His own comment.
    …..With a metaphor that smacks of desperation, Brian Gaynor, a longtime Herald columnist and asset manager with Milford (and someone I have greatly respected), on Saturday compared passive KiwiSaver fund managers to finance companies. Really? Finance companies were, at their worst, highly active, highly risky, highly concentrated lenders. They were as far from ‘passive’ as one can imagine….
    
    So Mr Stubbs, why did you collect a salary from a risky Finance company then jump ship before it all sank?
    At which point did you have revelation about passive funds?
    Do you serve bread and wine to the gathered after you have done your preaching from the pulpit, oh Pastor Stubbs?
    
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    July 10, 2017 5:09pm
- Swifty
  
  It is purely a marketing ploy from Arthur.
  
  He couldn’t give a shit about diversity unless it lines his pockets.
  
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  July 10, 2017 4:33pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I am not so keen on this diversity carry on and I will tell you why.
  When Telecom had Theresa Gattung emerge through the glass ceiling I invested. Then when she went I put what was left (about one-half) into another female run business named Pumpkin Patch. I now have s.f.a. from that venture. No money, but some knowledge.
  
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  July 10, 2017 4:40pm
lifesgood

All this incessant talk of housing affordability is annoying. Why is the question never asked as to
why do people start having children before they have a home and security? I’ve always believed it is my responsibility to house myself, not anybody elses.
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July 10, 2017 12:09pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Its a generational thing.
  I recommend looking at this video about “millenials”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hER0Qp6QJNU&t=363s
  Some good snippets in there “in the real world Mummy can’t get you a promotion or a pay rise” LOL
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:21pm
- GoVege
  
  Well it is hard for a lot of young people starting out.
  In the past parents would usually help their kids with a deposit.
  For those with no parental help, they turned to the state for a few years until they could buy their own place.
  Doesn’t work for many Maori and other Polynesians FOB….too many kids and the oldies don’t hand over money…they expect the kids to hand it over.
  BUT …the young ‘uns raised here are usually smart enough to only have 2 kids and like other new immigrants prepared to adapt, they do well.
  
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  July 10, 2017 12:50pm
- GoVege
  
  Was feeding my seagulls some crusts of bread yesterday.
  The brainy ones took them over to a big puddle to dunk them in to make them softer to swallow.
  Yes birdies…you WILL rule the planet again. ..
  
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  July 10, 2017 1:05pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Bread is bad for them. They should be hunting fish.
    
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    July 10, 2017 3:15pm
    - GoVege
      
      I try to encourage them to eat a vegetarian diet.
      With silly humans overpopulating the earth, there just ain’t enough fish to go around.
      
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      July 10, 2017 6:24pm
- CHFR
  
  I am in Vietnam at the moment and you should see the prices in Hanoi. A 2 bedroom house in old town is 1-2 million USD, now that is unaffordable.
  
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  July 10, 2017 3:43pm
Odakyu-sen

Wow–5.7% in New Zealand (or should that read “Auckland”?)
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July 10, 2017 12:31pm
Manolo

The NYT goes on:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html
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July 10, 2017 12:54pm
kowtow

Who said he’d be too “sick” to travel?

“Cardinal George Pell has returned to Australia to face historical sexual abuse charges in Melbourne at the end of the month.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/10/cardinal-george-pell-arrives-australia-fight-sexual-abuse-charges
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July 10, 2017 1:22pm
SPC

Both Russia and China, each in their own way, are assisting the challenge to the US presence in South Korea.

For Russia, the alliance is tactical – they want similar Chinese regard for their sphere in Europe, so side with Chinese ambition to remove the American presence in Asia.

The ICBM escalation is a response to Trump saying American allies should defend themselves more, and for SK and Japan to get their own nukes (if worried about NK/China).

Russia and China are testing the new POTUS, Obama warned him this would be the most difficult problem he would face. Not just because it was escalating but because it would be how Russia and China would test his isolationist American first approach.

This could end with a peace to end the Korean war, involving the peninsular being nuclear arms free and no foreign bases as the centre-piece and no doubt economic aid from the south. The north would lack an enemy (challenge its polity of paranoia) and while advantaged economically – the public would in any era of new openness become aware of how far behind the south they were.
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July 10, 2017 1:38pm
- kowtow
  
  Not while the fruit loops rule in the North.
  
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  July 10, 2017 3:41pm
  - Brigitte
    
    That’s somewhat irrelevant. Given the US’ actions (practice nuclear bombing runs & invasions) plus it’s history of regime change, even the most sane leader would be doing precisely what Kim is doing.
    
    This isn’t about NK at all. The recent rhetoric and threats to China about “doing something” confirm what I always suspected. The US is being challenged on it’s world dominance (exceptionalism, hegemony etc) and is fighting back.
    
    This is all about China. They aren’t using military means for challenge but rather economic control – this is one of the key purposes of the One Belt One Road initiative. It’s going to be an interesting (and scary) path to see how this all pans out.
    
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    July 10, 2017 4:14pm
Ross12

This is a slap in the face for Juncker, Merkel, Macron & co. The Japanese say the much touted trade deal with the EU is only, at this stage , an agreement in principle and it is likely a deal with the UK will come into place first
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/09/brexit-japan-slaps-brussels-trade-deal-britain-eu/
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July 10, 2017 2:23pm
SPC

Just realised why mikenmild is on sabbatical, having been traumatised enough by the Hutt OB merger with HV Marist, he is doing hard labour to ensure there is no Bishop as Hutt South MP.
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July 10, 2017 2:53pm
- stigie
  
  Poor ole Milky, after taking a severe ribbing from Starboard and Dad, one would need an extended sabbatical..?
  
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  July 10, 2017 3:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  That’s a scurrilous lie.
  
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  July 10, 2017 4:13pm
  - stigie
    
    No its not Milky and welcome back.
    
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    July 10, 2017 4:19pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s just that he’s covering a temporary staff shortage at the Quarry Inn & answering the phones. Poor bugger’s run off his feet. 🙂
      
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      July 10, 2017 4:27pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Oh no the milky twit is back !
    
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    July 10, 2017 4:23pm
    - stigie
      
      Now you be nice to him Dad..?
      
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      July 10, 2017 4:26pm
    - starboard
      
      oh joy of joys
      
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      July 10, 2017 7:39pm
  - GoVege
    
    Yes, welcome back Milky.
    Even us racist arseholes missed you…
    
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    July 10, 2017 6:28pm
Gabby

Ribeed for whose pleasure stinky?
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July 10, 2017 3:58pm
Stars And Stripes

First ever Asian candidate for the Maori Party
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11888565
“Beekeeper, and former pharmacist and nutritionist Wetex Kang has today become the Maori Party’s first ever Asian candidate. He’s Malaysian-Chinese, speaks three different Chinese dialects and understands Malay.
My grandmother’s half Malay, and I always have felt within my blood that I have a good link to tangata whenua”.

So your grandmother is half Malay and somehow this makes you feel like tangata whenua.
WTF????
Yeah well maybe your grandfather was a bit feminine as well so now you feel like a women also.
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July 10, 2017 4:23pm
- nasska
  
  Watch for a late Treaty settlement payout for Ngati Malay.
  
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  July 10, 2017 4:33pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the linked article:
  
  Kang believes his culture will go a long way in helping him get votes in Botany. “The current Botany MP cannot possibly be a voice for our people because he can’t communicate efficiently with many of them from both a language and cultural standpoint,” he said. “My goal is to be the true voice of Botany, not via a translator!”
  
  For some reason this tosser reminds me of a classic cricket sledge:
  
  During a test match in Jamaica, Merv Hughes continued to stare at Viv Richards after each delivery. He never spoke a word but sure enough after every delivery there was a stare. Viv Richards: “Don’t you be staring at me, man. This is my island, my culture. And in my culture we just bowl”. Hughes replied with a ripper : “In my culture we just say fuck off”.
  
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  July 10, 2017 4:56pm
  - stigie
    
    I remember this sledge very well Nostra……
    
    Rod Marsh : “So how’s your wife and my kids?” Ian Botham : “The wife is fine but the kids are retarded”
    
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    July 10, 2017 5:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Malaysians understand the power of racial privilege, with their Bumiputera (literally: people of the earth) being given advantage in voting, banking, health and education.
  
  In other words, he is perfect for the racist Maori party.
  
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  July 10, 2017 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

mikenmild has hit 30,000!!!!
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_10_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1966235
Can someone bring out the champagne emojis???
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July 10, 2017 5:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No emojis????
  
  Oh well, enjoy!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdoc5I8j18
  
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  July 10, 2017 7:34pm
Nostradamus

Annette King has something to say:

Hon. Annette King will deliver a lecture titled Parliament and Politics: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. … She will have some fascinating insights and stories to share with the audience …

I wonder if she’ll cover the Darren Hughes incident – and if so, will it come under “good”, “bad” or “ugly”?
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July 10, 2017 5:11pm
- sooty
  
  Will it cover the slaves as well.
  
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  July 10, 2017 5:34pm
nasska

I’d go for “ugly” Nostra…..he who drove a guest naked from Annette’s house was ginger. 🙂
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July 10, 2017 5:32pm
Happychappy

Andrew Little thinks he has found a winner for Welfare vote he is to give a couple on a benifit or super $750.00 every winter to help pay their power bills and keep them warm. So it looks like Andrew thinks he can grab back his old Labour voters from Winston and National.
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July 10, 2017 5:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If Labour get in , I’ll take the $750 and fly to warm places. Hubby will have to stay home and cuddle the cats if he gets cold.
  
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  July 10, 2017 5:56pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve been meaning to ask you Maggy.
    
    How many cats should a woman of mature years own? Feel free to give your answer within a range. 🙂
    
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    July 10, 2017 5:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @nasska
      
      Only one adorable gigantic fluffball – ragdoll pussycat.
      
      Sadly, I am amongst the mad cat fraternity… that’s just because a couple of the kid’s cats haven’t died yet! (- of course the kids didn’t take them when they decamped)
      They are driving us nuts.. arthritic, incontinent at each end, whiny, demanding, fussy…
      but when they shuffle off … they’ll not be replaced.
      
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      July 10, 2017 6:10pm
      - nasska
        
        One seems a tad on the low side Maggy. The mad Waterwoman told us that she never slips below six. As they flee the waterless Chateau Penny she tops up at the local SPCA.
        
        Then there was Judith who disappeared about this time three years ago. She thought six was about right.
        
        Racheal’s about the same.
        
        Mind you I’ve constantly refused to share a house with a cat so the CEO bought a German Shepherd instead. 🙂
        
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        July 10, 2017 6:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        At one time the in-laws had 24 toy poodles (snappy, yappy things)…
        then F-in-law and step M-in-law became seriously ill…
        “What are we going to do with the poodles, if your folks die,” I asked the husband, one evening.
        – “Exterminate” – was his succint reply.
        
        (As it was, the in-laws outlived the poodles… by a year or two).
        
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        July 10, 2017 6:44pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      National must rule out retrospective override for Ruataniwha
      
      National must categorically rule out using retrospective legislation to override the Supreme Court’s decision that the land swap of conservation land flooded by the proposed Ruataniwha Dam was illegal, says Labour’s Shadow Attorney General David Parker.
      
      “Having not got their own way with the nation’s highest court, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Conservation have arrogantly said they will look to change the law after the Supreme Court upheld the Court of Appeal decision.
      
      “This threat of legislation with retrospective effect is constitutionally outrageous, regardless of it happening before or after the election. It is a pity the Minister cannot show some humility, admit the mistake, and apologise.
      
      The sheer hypocrisy!
      
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      July 10, 2017 6:13pm
      - sooty
        
        I believe Herr Helun was into retrospective legislation to cover election spending and the Harry legislation to cover the dutchman with dual citisanship.
        
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        July 10, 2017 8:10pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Latest TV1 poll. Mr. 7% is now Mr. 5%.
  No doubt this will be a separate thread tomorrow, it’s going to be wonderful.
  
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  July 10, 2017 7:49pm
  - sooty
    
    See, I told you he would be 3%, come election night! Labour under 20% on election night!
    
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    July 10, 2017 8:14pm
ex-golfer

One News Colmar Brunton Poll – Labour down again, Little 4th preferred PM behind……..Jacinda (who is third)

National : 47% (-2)
Labour: 27% (-3)
Greens and Winston First both up 2 – on 11%
Maori Party up 1 – 2%
TOP and Act steady on 1%

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/andrew-little-drops-fourth-preferred-pm-in-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-sees-both-major-parties-take-hit

Watch Labour roll out the bribes for the bludgers in their alternative Family Package tomorrow.
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July 10, 2017 6:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Preferred Prime Minister:
  
  Bill English 26% (down from 29)
  Winston Peters 11% (up from 7)
  Jacinda Ardern 6% (steady)
  Andrew Little 5% (down from 8)
  
  My goodness – 8% down to 5% – how much lower can Andrew Little go? Is he practising the Limbo dance?
  
  The world record for lowest limbo dance is held by Shemika Charles, an 24-year-old woman from Trinidad who lives in Buffalo, NY. On 16 September 2010, she successfully danced under a bar only 8.5 inches (21.5 cm) above the ground.
  
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  July 10, 2017 6:33pm
  - stigie
    
    “she successfully danced under a bar only 8.5 inches”
    
    A lot of women can Nostra and some men..?
    
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    July 10, 2017 6:51pm
    - nasska
      
      The Godfreaks’ poster boy Colin can do it on stilts. 🙂
      
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      July 10, 2017 7:03pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Only Jesus can walk on water silly hillbilly.
        
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        July 10, 2017 7:05pm
dad4justice

“Winston Peters 11% (up from 7)”

Great stuff .
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July 10, 2017 7:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Use your remaining brain cells d4j and try to contemplate a Government in which that bitter & twisted, drunken old bastard is pulling the strings.
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:48pm
Nostradamus

Mixed reaction to the One News Colmar Brunton Poll at The Standard.

In the “oh no” corner: Enough is Enough

Enough is Enough: This is beginning to stress me the fuck out
BM: Why?
Enough is Enough: Because we are sleepwalking to a 4th term in opposition.

In the “Everything is ok” corner: Cinny

Cinny: So National has continued its downward trend falling two points. The outgoing PM fell 3 points in the preferred PM poll. Greens and NZ 1st are both up 2 points. And with their current coalition partners National will not have enough seats to govern. Meanwhile DeBarclay is anything but over

I find the reference to the “outgoing PM” particularly amusing.
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July 10, 2017 7:08pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Deluded losers.
  They still think Corbyn won the UK election!!
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:03pm
nasska

Enough is Enough comes across as a trifle too lucid to be commenting at The Standard.
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July 10, 2017 7:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  “Lucid” is a relative concept. What should we make of Beesting/Scorpion’s witterings (and addition to block capitals)?
  
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  July 10, 2017 7:26pm
  - nasska
    
    His/her use of capitals seems to be on the wane Nostra. Peer pressure is a powerful tool & shouting wasn’t provoking the desired reaction.
    
    But I agree….barking mad & religious to boot.
    
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    July 10, 2017 7:37pm
lifesgood

If Jacinda is the answer its a pretty stupid question. What deluded fools would think she could be PM?
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July 10, 2017 8:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Lifesgood:
  
  What deluded fools would think she could be PM?
  
  Perhaps they think she’s cheaper than a plumber when it comes to toilet jobs?
  
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  July 10, 2017 8:22pm
Fletch

This shit in Stuff…

Why it makes sense to raise kids outside the gender box

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/94564421/why-it-makes-sense-to-raise-kids-outside-the-gender-box
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July 10, 2017 8:48pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Cultural Marxist propaganda.
  
  Most of these Progressive types masquerading as “journalists” are or soon to be childless bitter cat ladies or homosexual.
  
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  July 11, 2017 12:10pm
RF

Labour = dead men walking
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July 10, 2017 8:49pm
sooty

You would not want to be on the list!
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July 10, 2017 9:06pm
RF

What a laugh… Adverse poll for Labour and gutless Presland has gone into hiding.

Always quick to respond when the very rare poll improves for labour.

The labour leader will drop even further. Watch this space. He will need to play more than ping pong to improve his %.

It’s been tried before…. Geoff dying his hair, riding a motor cycle, walking with a gun slingers swagger, shovelling oil off the beach at Tauranga…

Major fail that is typical of Labour.

I am now waiting for the speakers decision concerning the Labour interns fraud.
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July 10, 2017 9:29pm
Monique Watson

That gender box article is as weird as fuck. My kids were raised as kids.
Boys will be boys! Girls will be girls! I’m on the PTA and I drink like a fish. We all do.
The kiddos won’t though, they see me as a bad example.
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July 11, 2017 1:57am
Manolo

The incompetent returns:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-returns-to-political-fray-for-a-democratic-party-cause/2017/07/09/86e76f9c-64a1-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?utm_term=.1b188e3c1325
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