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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/07/china-and-california-sign-deal-to-work-on-climate-change-without-trump

Chinese president Xi Jinping meets visiting California governor Jerry Brown to discuss a climate deal. [Photograph]

China and California have signed an agreement to work together on reducing emissions, as the state’s governor warned that “disaster still looms” without urgent action on climate change.

For now, he said, China, European countries and individual US states would fill the gap left by the federal government’s decision to abdicate leadership on the issue.

“Nobody can stay on the sidelines. We can’t afford any dropouts in the tremendous human challenge to make the transition to a sustainable future,” Brown said. “Disaster still looms and we’ve got to make the turn.”

https://www.ecowatch.com/brown-china-climate-deal-2435721752.html

According to the Associated Press:
“Without mentioning Trump by name, Brown told attendees at a forum on electric vehicles that “there are still people in powerful places who are resisting reality.”
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June 8, 2017 8:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Gone before I even saw it. Great work chaps.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:48am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Sadly WoO – the science seems to be against you on your Climate Alarmism fantasy!
  
  The research proves it.
  
  Maybe you should take up a new religion – one that is maybe less based on make believe than your current one.
  
  Who’d have believed it – straight after a cooling minima, it got warmer! I wonder if at the end of the big mini ice age (circa 1600) and it started to warm up whether governments got together to dream up a way to tax themselves into recession?
  
  Nah – they just took their coats off and got on with things.
  
  Sounds like a much more enlightened approach that the Chicken Little one the Left wants us to take!
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:52am
- Ross12
  
  Can you see the irony in this WoO ?
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40185217
  
  That fancy accord you like has the name of a very polluted city ( according to this resident) in its name.
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:18pm
Reid

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This Thursday at noon at Arlington National Cemetery there will be a small gathering for the annual coming together with the survivors and friends of the most decorated ship in the history of the U.S. Navy, a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington.

In truth the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately targeted and nearly sunk by America’s “greatest friend and ally” Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country…
…It was in truth the worst attack ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time. In addition to the death toll, 171 more of the crew were wounded in the two-hour assault, which was clearly intended to destroy the intelligence gathering vessel operating in international waters collecting information on the ongoing fighting between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The Israelis, whose planes had their Star of David markings covered up so Egypt could be blamed, attacked the ship repeatedly from the air and with gunboats from the sea. When one Israeli pilot hesitated, refusing to attack what was clearly an American ship, he was instructed to proceed anyway.

The most disgusting part of the tale relates to how U.S. warplanes sent to the Liberty’s aid from an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean were called back by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara acting under orders from President Lyndon Baines Johnson, who declared that he would rather see the ship go to the bottom of the sea than embarrass his good friend Israel. Ironically, the first ship to reach the Liberty and offer assistance was from the Soviet Union, an offer that was declined.

Johnson reportedly feared Jewish influence over Congress and in the media, which might work together to block his “Great Society” legislative initiatives, not to mention his expected reelection bid in 1968. It was an early manifestation of the power of the Jewish lobby in American politics and foreign relations…

…The cover-up of the attack began immediately. The Liberty crew was sworn to secrecy over the incident, as were the Naval dockyard workers in Malta, and even the men of the U.S.S. Davis, which had assisted the badly damaged Liberty to port were ordered to be silent.

A hastily convened and conducted court of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain acted under orders from Washington to declare the attack a case of mistaken identity.

The inquiry’s senior legal counsel Captain Ward Boston, who subsequently declared the attack to be a “deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew,” also described how “President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

The court’s findings were rewritten and sections relating to Israeli war crimes, to include the machine gunning of life rafts, were excised.

Following in his father’s footsteps, Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence.

Most of the documents relating to the Liberty incident have never been released to the public in spite of the 50 years that have passed since the attack took place.

The faux court of inquiry and the medals awarded in secret were only the first steps in the cover-up, which has persisted to this day, orchestrated by politicians and a media that seem to place Israel’s interests ahead of those of the United States…

…That Congress is deaf to the pleas of the Liberty crew should surprise no one as the nation’s legislative body has been for years, as Pat Buchanan once put it, “Israeli occupied territory…”

…Government willingness at all levels to protect Israel even when it is killing Americans is remarkable, but it is symptom of the deep corruption that has generated a tendency to go to bat for Israel reflexively, even when it is damaging to U.S. interests and to the rights that American citizens are supposed to enjoy…the treatment of the U.S.S. Liberty should surprise no one in a country whose governing class has been for decades doing the bidding of the powerful lobby of a tiny client state that has been nothing but trouble and expense for the United States of America…

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/remembering-the-u-s-s-liberty-2/
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June 8, 2017 8:01am
- Lance
  
  So Ried….
  You are trying to tell us all here that you are emotionally upset, lose sleep at night and are generally shocked at an incident that happened 50 years ago?
  I call bullshit on that.
  
  It has Israel as one of the participants so you are trying to stir it up, keep it going and demand an end to Israel as a consequence.
  Pathetic!!!
  I think you will find there isn’t much appetite for revisiting such an event because the US has a shit load of skeletons in it’s own closest that if exposed would at best be embarrassing
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:26am
  - Reid
    
    You are trying to tell us all here that you are emotionally upset, lose sleep at night and are generally shocked at an incident that happened
    
    No that wasn’t me Lance, that was a quote from someone else. That’s why I used quote markup, to indicate that it wasn’t me doing the talking.
    
    It has Israel as one of the participants so you are trying to stir it up, keep it going and demand an end to Israel as a consequence.
    
    You seem hysterical Lance and are making things up, possibly as a consequence, since I never said anything at all, let alone anything such as you allege I said. I do realise Israel has been mentioned in a less than favourable light. I also know whenever Israel is mentioned this kicks in a propaganda-induced reaction amongst people, often making them hysterical. Perhaps you could tell us all whether or not its possible ever to criticise Israel for anything, even when she commits a war crime against her best international friend? Yes, or no?
    
    I think you will find there isn’t much appetite for revisiting such an event because the US has a shit load of skeletons in it’s own closest that if exposed would at best be embarrassing
    
    Indeed she does but what does that have to do with what another country did to her?
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:40am
- Reid
  
  Do the downtickers hate the USA or why else did they downtick the commemoration of this war crime?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:34am
- Reid
  
  All of you downtickers need to hang your heads in shame.
  
  Today is the anniversary of “the worst attack ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time. In addition to the death toll, 171 more of the crew were wounded in the two-hour assault…[which included machine gunning sailors in life-rafts].”
  
  But wait, there’s more:
  
  “The most disgusting part of the tale relates to how…warplanes [from their own country were] sent to the [ship’s] aid from an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean were called back by [the U.S.] Defense Secretary…acting under orders from [the U.S.] President, who declared that he would rather see the ship go to the bottom of the sea than embarrass his good friend…”
  
  And you downtickers evidently, by downticking, are telling us you approve of such actions by the attacking party and the political leaders from their own country who explicitly prevented military support from being delivered to the stricken vessel.
  
  Words fail me.
  
  You downtickers disgust me. You really do.
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:11am
  - Lance
    
    Feel free to Foxtrot Oscar to another blog
    And take your faux outrage with you.
    
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    June 8, 2017 12:56pm
duggledog

On Tuesday night’s 6pm One News bulletin, newsreader Peter Williams read from his autocue that the Glen Innes state house tenant Niki Rauiti was still resisting moving out of…

…‘HER HOME’ – of however many years.

Now.

1: Peter Williams read this off a pre-written autocue. I suspect someone else wrote it, but saying the house is ‘HER HOME’ is false, and saying that it is, was a deliberate editorial decision.

2: Peter, and/or the autocue writer, fall under the direction of somebody more senior in the newsroom. Being a lead story, it would have been viewed and signed off before broadcast.

3: One would assume the newsroom is not autonomous and falls under the general remit of another executive, with the CEO at the top.

4: At the very least, that’s five intelligent people who are essentially complicit in skewing public perception on a hot-button issue – on the state broadcaster – four months from a General Election.

5: Where is the Minister of Broadcasting? I would be all over this shit like a ton of bricks.
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June 8, 2017 8:01am
- oldpark
  
  Remember there are 263 Lie-bour/GreenParty sycophants in TVNZ news room. Peter Williams is on borrowed time now,imagine if he went against the wishes of such a biased motley crew.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:05am
  - GazzaW
    
    Williams isn’t too far off retirement and probably has been skating on the thin ice of redundancy for a few years now. He’ll be doing exactly what he is told in order to get his mitts safely on his taxpayer-funded super cheque.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:57am
- lifesgood
  
  I went past that house yesterday. Barricades and tents are up, fat unemployed losers are squatting all over the front lawn, cars parked up and down outside. For Pete’s sake just get her out already! She is thick and is being manipulated by a bunch of losers for their own political gains. Guess what party they’d vote for? Every house around her is already demolished. She is holding up the building of houses for many.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:10am
  - Longknives
    
    “She is thick and being manipulated by a bunch of losers”
    
    You hit the nail on the head there mate- She’s been offered a brand new, much nicer home!
    Apparently there are a heck of a lot of Crims hang out/use that address- They will be leaning on her to stand her ground as well
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:27am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Not just offered a brand new home LK, but a choice of homes. As you know, the taxpayer is picking up the bill for a large part of the rent on this state house, it is NOT HER house. This woman should be condemned for her selfishness and lack of consideration for anyone else needing one of the new homes she is holding up.
      Where are the protesters against this woman. Andy??
      
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      June 8, 2017 10:40am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Those who receive the most from others are the least likely to give
    
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    June 8, 2017 11:15am
- peterwn
  
  From National’s point of view it is better to just let these broadcasting clowns carry on rather than try and put the boot in. Otherwise the whole media (except DPF, Cam and one or two others) would make life utter hell for National.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:17am
  - VicParking
    
    They are already
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:41am
- holysheet
  
  You were doing so well in your enunciation of these points until you got to #4.
  “that’s five intelligent people ” was your letdown.
  Try harder next time.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:18am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Was that an unnecessary adverb? the use of “intelligent”?
    If you remove it from the sentence, it still says the same thing, but becomes more accurate…
    Where’s Kimbo when you need him/her?
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:18am
- mandk
  
  Niki Rauiti and her supporters are part of the reason why there is a housing shortage in Auckland.
  
  If the left really cared about housing, they would be condemning her roundly.
  
  But it’s not just a problem with lefties. NIMBYs and the everything-old-is-heritage brigade are equally to blame.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:22am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The heritage people can be proud to have all those old buildings; however, everything else has changed: the people, the languages, the communities, the cultures.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Totally disagree re heritage. It is a disgrace that NZ does not value European heritage. Woe betide you if you disturb a Maori rubbish dumps, though (midden). Heritage has to start somewhere. Old buildings of worth gradually become very old buildings of worth. Look at the Civic Theatre, the Customs house, the ferry building and tell me Auckland would be better off without them. Do you seriously want to leave a sterile city with no sense of its history to the next generations? Looking after heritage is what has made the UK and Europe so desirable for tourists to visit.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Glen Innes is being transformed. The housing density is being increased by 6-fold at a time, as each 1/4-acre section is recycled as the site for half a dozen 2-story townhouses.
  This long-suffering burb is only a kilometer or so from the back of St. Heliers, and is a convenient short drive to the industrial heartland of Penrose.
  The whole area is on the up-and-up.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:35am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    GI will remain a crime-ridden shithole as long as it houses a large number of beneficiaries in state houses (as it does now).
    http://insights.nzherald.co.nz/article/new-zealand-burglary-map
    Aspirational GI parents send their kids to school in better suburbs. Building more state houses there will only make the schools and crime worse.
    
    Most countries in the world minimise crime by situating the welfare classes away from the productive people.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:31am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Gulag Auckland Island has a nice ring to it
      
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      June 8, 2017 10:41am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The schools in Glen Innes are overwhelmingly Polynesian. The children there are not welcoming of children of other races (or outsiders in general), being highly territorial.
      
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      June 8, 2017 12:07pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    My maternal grandparents lived at 312 St Heliers Bay Rd, I know the area well, we had sections at the back that were zoned Glen Innes, when the properties were developed in conjunction, (not by the rightful beneficiaries, due to afore mentioned interference over on the estate thread) it was done so so all of the properties could claim a St Heliers address and not a Glen Innes one. Amazing how that distinction more than proximity affected pricing.
    Coming up 27 odd years ago now, we didn’t shop in Glen Innes then, I doubt that I would now.
    
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    June 8, 2017 11:38am
- brett68
  
  Is this woman actually holding anything up currently?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:48am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I did wonder that surely they could start on some earthworks.
    I can understand why she considers it her home after so long but it isn’t, anymore than if she had a private landlord.
    
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    June 8, 2017 11:41am
    - brett68
      
      I only ask the question because if she was actually holding up any part of the rebuild, she’d be out of there yesterday,
      
      Currently, it’s probably easier to let her do her protest thing because it’s not affecting any sort of schedule.
      
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      June 8, 2017 12:11pm
- Gabby
  
  Do you own YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD?
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:32pm
Reid

Trump has nominated this guy as the new FBI Director.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray

Draining the swamp continues apace.
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June 8, 2017 8:03am
- mikenmild
  
  Trump seems to be finally getting around to appointing people. The wrong people, of course, but there you go.
  Another anti-science nutcase to oversee reproductive health:
  http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/336620-abstinence-education-advocate-named-to-hhs-post
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:11am
Monique Watson

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.syracuse.com/v1/articles/20819360/oklahoma_neighbor_kills_father_drowning_twins.amp

Second amendment saves two lives. You’re safer if your neighbour has a gun in the house.
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June 8, 2017 8:05am
- mikenmild
  
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  Does that judgement factor in the many deaths caused each year by careless firearm owners?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:12am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Yes siree bob.
    
    People are too stupid to be allowed to bear arms. That is the role of the State.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:38am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You are on to something there – look how well gun controlled Chicago is doing for deaths by gunshot. And mostly black folks shooting black folks – I guess they didn’t get the BLM memo in that town.
    
    And again – heavily gun-controlled Paris – boy oh boy those folks at the Bataclan must have been really relieved they weren’t allowed to ‘conceal carry’ while muslim pigs were cutting their genitals off.
    
    You must love the taste of that Kool-Aid.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:43am
- MCos
  
  “You’re safer if your neighbour has a gun in the house”
  Maybe in this unusual case.
  However. In our Thai whanau a woman was killed a couple of years ago when her boyfriend shot her in a fit of rage by a gun that was in the house.
  The police rushed around to their room and found him with the dead body. The made him ring her mother, who I knew quite well, to come over and collect her body.
  What was the gun doing there? I don’t know. Maybe to protect the family.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  Guns really spin lefties into a fit of some sort. The second amendment is there for a very good reason. The union realised that its states couldn’t protect their people 24/7 and gave them the right to do so for themselves. Apart from some interesting wildlife, there are vast areas of the US where a 911 call will take hours to respond to. the best advice I ever received while I was still getting used to the sight of guns was if ever in trouble, look for the guy openly carrying – he’s your best bet.
  
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  June 8, 2017 9:05am
mikenmild

Happy World Brain Tumour Day, everyone!
https://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/health-awareness/world-brain-tumor-day.html
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June 8, 2017 8:09am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  mikenmild,
  
  Where do you get all these “World _____ Days”?
  And why are they invariably morbid, gross or simply grotesque?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:30am
  - G152
    
    Why wouldn’t he have a thing about brain tumors?
    It could explain a lot
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:00am
- MCos
  
  When is Happy Lions Rugby Team Day?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    Happy Lions Rugby Team Day?
    
    That will be when the Hurricanes beat the Crusaders in the final round of Super Rugby and they, the (South African) Lions finish top of the round robin and get home addy through the PlayOffs!
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:34am
- Longknives
  
  Is that supposed to be funny Mikenmild?
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:28am
  - Garbageman
    
    Its a shout out to “stooopidboy” (TM holysheet)
    
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    June 8, 2017 2:10pm
Happychappy

Are msm finally starting to realize they are flogging a dead horse and wanting to get back on side with National as they have not normally publish the results of a Colmar Brunton poll so quickly with the latest results in fact i stand to be corrected if wrong but I don’t think they published the last three results from CB.
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June 8, 2017 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  If the left had been in the lead it would have been the lead story, so no, nothing has changed.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:20am
  - 4077th
    
    Add to that, Robert Patman declaring this morning Corbyn could win and at best the Brits could expect a hung parliament or be a minority Conservative government. No comment whatsoever about the current lead May has over Corbyn and the extra seats she stands to gain even if the current polls are correct at a 10 point difference. I’m growing heartily sick and tired of the Trump and May bashing every morning from Tame and Barry. Problem is the only alternative is to turn it off. Garner isn’t worth the waste of power for the TV.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:43am
    - kowtow
      
      Listening to a pollster and commentator from UK on RNZ this am .
      If a hung parliament , May’s first go to could be the Ulster Unionists.
      
      Who’da thunk Ireland would be determining Britain’s future again?
      
      Won’t happen , but them Ulstermen are True Brits.
      
      “A day to celebrate. 23 February 1886: Lord Randolph Churchill spoke at a meeting in Belfast in which he uttered the phrase ‘Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right.'”
      
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      June 8, 2017 11:09am
    - howitis
      
      It was a bit cold this morning. No surprise there. So I flicked on the teev as a deterrent to facing the real world. There was Garner going on about sugar. What a dick!
      
      He is the original fat bastard. He must be about 17 stone or more so at least as large as Mal Maninga in Mal’s playing glory days. But Garner is not a professional athlete. He is a fat bastard.
      Probably because he eats too much and has no self control.
      
      He hardly has the right to tell others what to eat or consume. Mind you, as a lefty, it is probably OK according to the little peanut between his ears. About 4 years ago he did a teev 3 thing with Espiner where he had to stand up and he almost fell over so huge was his overhanging gut. He was puffing to breathe while standing still.
      
      …but others must not consume Coke even though moi will have a glass before a 2 hour cycle ride.
      Things go better with Coke except when bubble -gut Garner is rabbiting about it.
      
      I can only imagine Garner has a specially reinforced chair to park his lard arse in whilst he tells others to do what he does not do himself.
      
      As comfort food after the trauma of watching teev 3 I’m now going to have an apricot Danish.
      What was your panacea for watching the mother and child reunion on one , 4077th?
      
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      June 8, 2017 11:40am
      - 4077th
        
        Primarily, I cannot stand Garner as you mentioned. He spouts nothing but rubbish and nothing of any value. I tried watching TV3 when Paul Henry was hosting but even then it just didn’t feel right. I only watch TVNZ for the news. The mum and son routine just puts me off my cup of tea.
        
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        June 8, 2017 2:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    holyturd , given your alt right nutttery I would of thought the Nats would be way too left wing for you.
    
    Seriously !
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=would%20of
      
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      June 8, 2017 8:58am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  No – I would caution you against ascribing rational behaviour to the MSM whores.
  
  I still think this is part of a “diversity” agenda to unseat Little with a view to annointing “My Little Pony” Adern as leader in the mistaken belief that she can turn the tide against the dark forces of neo-Liberalism and we the “sheeple” will start to believe the lying, cheating MSM scumbags that Jacinda is the one to vote for!
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:37am
DifferentPerspective

Another example of the BBC faking the news

From Katie Hopkins – 3 “asian” females attack a girl and at the 17 seconds mark on the video – the BBC cut out a segment.

I’m guessing the woman was going to say “they shouted “Allahu Akhbar” “.

I don’t know maybe it could have been “this is for Buddha” or “Krishna wants this” they knife weilding muslim terrorists might have been shouting – but why would the BBC cut it out?

But I guess more proof that the MSM IS the opposition and we’re being lied to all day every day by them.

And this follows hot on the heels of CNN staging that “spontaneous” muslim protest.

So we have lots of proof of massive MSM dishonesty – the really interesting question is why? Who is paying them to do it? Cui bono?
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June 8, 2017 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  The Daily Mail say just this and show the full video clip.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:46am
  - Reid
    
    So what does she shout?
    
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    June 8, 2017 11:31am
- stephieboy
  
  DP , you’re” guessing “?
  
  What else ?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:49am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Who’s a pretty Polly then?
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      DP, examples of Daily Mail faking news ,
      
      Example ,
      
      Was a Pastor Eaten by Crocodiles While Trying to Walk on Water?
      
      May 15th, 2017 Multiple tabloids repeated an unsubstantiated claim that a pastor was eaten by crocodiles in an attempt to demonstrate how Jesus walked on water.
      
      http://www.snopes.com/tag/daily-mail/
      
      LOL
      
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      June 8, 2017 8:56am
- Inandout
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4580754/Female-nursery-worker-stabbed-three-women-London.html
  
  Usual suspects who walk around brazenly displaying their Muslim mental capacity.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:25am
- waikatosinger
  
  They shouted “Allah will get you” according to the reports I’ve read.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:41am
- Peter
  
  It is getting too bizarre for words.
  
  Why this desperate (failed) attempt by the left and the left MSM to hide Islamic violence?
  
  Each time they do it, they reduce their credibility well south of zero.
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:44pm
kowtow

This is a nasty piece of work..

Is distributing ISIS propaganda part of the multicultural diversity dividend the media and left are always telling us to embrace and celebrate.

52 people in New Zealand engaging in watching this stuff?

Convict and deport.

“Police searched Patel’s home in December 2015, and found 62 objectionable videos showing extreme violence or cruelty, as well as copies of an Isis-endorsed online magazine.

The material was stored on various devices, with some sent to friends he had met through an Auckland mosque.”

Mosque, religion of peace?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93371078/auckland-man-allowed-to-further-appeal-sentence-for-making-distributing-isis-videos
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June 8, 2017 8:39am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  kowtow, 55,000 other of NZ Muslims known to be involved ?
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:51am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Let me help you understand – words don’t get though so maybe pictures will
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    stephie:
    
    You would have a point if those 55,000 other Muslims stood up and voiced their outrage.
    
    Instead we hear nothing (ie. tacit approval) or just some hollow words from an Imam now and then.
    
    The mosques are meeting places for these people. Shut them down if they can’t clean up their act.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm , since when have you taken to the streets protesting against ISIS like this Auckland Kurdish Community ?
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/auckland-kurds-march-against-is-massacres-2014102517
      
      Stop whinging about the Muslim community and get off you keybaord and butt and doi something.like those Kurds .
      
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      June 8, 2017 10:15am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Typing with your forehead again stephie? That said, do you think it wise to encourage us to make our feelings on the satanic death cult known to its practitioners?
        
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        June 8, 2017 11:07am
      - cmm
        
        Errr…. that was in 2014. They were protesting for Kurds in Singal. Not against Muslim outrages here.
        
        A community should be policing its own if it wants to be taken seriously. ie. The Muslims should be turning on the outrage.
        
        Don’t you worry, if the White Mofos start plotting terrorist attacks and having sexual emergencies, I’ll be voicing my disapproval.
        
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        June 8, 2017 11:53am
    - Manolo
      
      They never will, cmm. Never.
      
      A Muslim is always loyal to his/her religion and would come up with any excuse to put it first.
      
      Our own stephieboy is a perfect example of blind loyalty to the “religion of peace”.
      
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      June 8, 2017 10:45am
- Huevon
  
  We should be taking a zero tolerance approach to Muslim extremists. This guy is clearly already radicalised and already “active in the Muslim community”. A ticking bomb.
  
  The UK terrorists were *all like this*. Their extremist ideas were openly expressed, a list of priors, known to intelligence services etc. And nothing was done.
  
  As soon as this guy finishes his stretch, he’ll be getting his heavy vehicle licence…
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:56am
dime

1) The Lions are shit
2) well done Blues
3) throat slitting haka just minutes after the moment of silence for people who died via way of.. throat slitting.

Dime would love to have the Blues and Warriors players tested. Low IQ mofo’s
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June 8, 2017 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  It is a bit of a worry for our culture when the Organisors would not have thought of this especially since so many of the dead and injured had their throats cut.
  However: Good win by the Blues, if I was a lion I would make sure I was injured for the Game on Saturday.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:57am
- James Stephenson
  
  As was entirely predictable once the wrong coach was selected. Too many players from a Welsh team some years past its peak, playing the same predictable game.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    The Lions have set the tone of future international rugby: it is primarily a cultural field trip with a bit of rugby thrown in for giggles.
    
    If they’d spent a bit less time learning the Welsh anthem and a bit more time on their footie skills they might have stood a chance on the field.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:11am
  - SPC
    
    Come on, it was an all Irish mid-field (not the Warrenball crew) and slow wingers that done them in.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:15am
- cmm
  
  The haka is really just a violent threat that would not be tolerated if it came from a bunch of soccer yobs.
  
  But ooh, isn’t stone-age culture so quaint.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:08am
  - RF
    
    Throat cutting gestures following a minutes silence in memory of innocent people being stabbed and run over !!!!!
    
    FFS what’s wrong with the Blues.
    
    Nothing but a bunch of slobbering brainless savages
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:33am
    - howitis
      
      With Michael Redman as CEO of the Blues nothing would surprise me.
      He was the original CEO of ATEED (quick controversial exit) and Hamilton people will remember his brief tenure as Mayor and be happy he is in Auckland.
      
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      June 8, 2017 12:28pm
- SPC
  
  The throat slitting haka was revisited by the AB’s over 10 years ago, regardless of the London event it had already been cast onto the scrap-heap as inappropriate.
  
  Fair call by the northern commentator.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:19am
Happychappy

I wonder whether we will get a positive appraisal of Sony Bill Williams game last night for the blues or are haters still going to hate.
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June 8, 2017 8:46am
- dime
  
  Dime has always been a SBW fan. His religion is shit but thats his choice.
  
  League people still rant about the bulldogs, but he was a 22 year old kid then.
  
  To me, hes just an amazingly talented professional athelete. one of the great kiwi sports stars.
  
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  June 8, 2017 9:01am
  - Happychappy
    
    Dime:
    I am talking about rugby ability not being a Muslim you can’t and don’t judge a book by its cover do you, of course unless it is penned by Nicky Hagar.
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:11am
    - Jack5
      
      Dime, what’s this talking about yourself in the third person? That’s supposed to be the domain of kings and editors.
      
      I see the throat-slitting gesture in the Blues haka is being defended.
      
      In the Hooerald, Sevens player Whiria Meltzer, who is credited with creating this particular hata with Ruka Makiha, says what a British journalist describes as a throat slitting gesture is, in the words of Meltzer, an “action that is across the chest/neck” representing health and the first breath of life.
      
      [ Is that where the child-abuse problems begin?????]
      
      What codswallop! To the rest of the world it’s thoat slitting, and was an appalling gesture days after Islamic terrorists slit people’s throats in London, one of those people a New Zealander.
      
      If the Blues try their throat-slitting haka in Christchurch the fans just might storm the field.
      
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      June 8, 2017 5:28pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Amazingly talented professional athelete. one of the great kiwi sports stars”
    
    Please don’t tell me you rate him as a Boxer Dime?? ‘Was it Ten Rounds or Twelve Sonny’?
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:31am
    - dime
      
      lol no i dont. i said to mrs dime last night while watching – hope SBW gets into a scrap. i wanna see if he can fight for real
      
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      June 8, 2017 11:32am
      - Longknives
        
        Ha Ha I think we learned the answer to that when 45 year-old journeyman Frans Botha beat the living shit out of SBW- forcing his management to quickly abandon the fight after ten rounds!
        Botha was the first real boxer SBW had fought- So much for his claims to be the ‘Greatest since Ali’..
        
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        June 8, 2017 11:50am
      - Jack5
        
        Dime, Sunni Bill’s nose is in too good a shape to be that of a “fighter for real”.
        
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        June 8, 2017 5:31pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    SBW be able to play rugby draws young people towards the dangerous cult of Islam. He should be removed from the field.
    
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    June 8, 2017 11:29am
- MCos
  
  SBW was at the top of his game, I thought.
  The ogres in the Lions forwards ground our plucky chaps into the ground in the set pieces & their bloke kicked goals from everywhere, but tries are worth a lot more points than penalties
  As Mae West said when she was an old lady: 20 going in to 80 a lot more times than 80 goes in to 20 . . .
  
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  June 8, 2017 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sorry Mcos, fat fingers and a small screen and nec minit I have reported you
    
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    June 8, 2017 10:48am
VicParking

Campbell Roberts from the Salies has come out to say that Bill English ten years ago, in a PRIVATE meeting, said he was concerned there will be a housing crisis. I bet Mr Roberts has had his last meeting Private or not with any government Minister.
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June 8, 2017 8:49am
- cmm
  
  Sallies are now primarily an activist group. I don’t donate to them anymore.
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:03pm
  - big bruv
    
    The one ‘charity’ that I always avoid is the hard left wing mob Doctors without borders.
    
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    June 8, 2017 7:21pm
Paulus Gnome

Different Prospective has said on an earlier thread ‘The harder they campaign, the lower Labour’s polling goes’

Is this the new 2017 Brafordism?
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June 8, 2017 8:51am
calendar girl

The 52 comments on General Debate seem to have disappeared from my screen.
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June 8, 2017 9:35am
- Biscuit
  
  I had that problem, too, calendar girl.
  
  Here I was, TimTams x 5 and perked coffee at hand, ready to scan the latest bon mots on General Debate and all I got was a blank screen!
  
  I have to confess I was a-l-m-o-s-t ready to scream ‘Give me my daily WoO and Penny!’
  
  But all seems well again now!
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:06am
MrTips

Given his repeated and outstanding ability to be a complete nong, I hearby dub David Seymour, Leader and sole beneficiary of a jacked-up deal in Epsom…

Rimmer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer

The resemblance in person and character is uncanny.
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June 8, 2017 10:02am
- Flash
  
  I thought it was Mr Bean on Back Benchers last night –
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:02pm
zonic

Where is all this going to end? Or will it ever end? iwi’s arguing with each other. This is like land wars but it is much more civil now, its in the courts. while it is iwi against iwi, this particular case is iwi against he Attorney General. What a waste.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/332480/iwi-back-in-court-over-auckland-land
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June 8, 2017 10:06am
SPC

A security regime.

Domestic
1. We place those a threat to children onto a watch-list so as to screen potential threats to children, why not those who have abused women, so women go into relationships can check for risk and or go into relationships eyes open?

International
1. Require all non citizens who are resident to keep separate from those on a security watch-list (such as those with Italian parents or Irish ID cards keeping apart from the Butt’s of western society).
2. Place on a security watch-list all those who apologise for terrorist actions (as a form of incitement to others to commit similar actions). And require them to also keep separate from others on the same watch-list (the one exception being the mosque, where others can report their associations/meetings there). Any consorting with others on the watch-list being an offence.
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June 8, 2017 10:09am
Stars And Stripes

A couple of the local kids were playing Cowboys and Indians yesterday afternoon out in the street and I noticed that the white kid was the cowboy and the ethnic kid was the indian.
Pretty typical I thought as the white kid is obviously projecting deep seated racist colonial attitudes onto the game and subjugating the black kid.
However later I noticed they had swapped costumes and the black kid was the cowboy and the white kid was the indian.
Well I am not an expert on the social justice pyramid so this one had me stumped until I finally realised the white kid was still at fault here because he was now appropriating native costume without respecting the relevant cultural traditions that this brings with it.
Nikki Kaye is busy with trying to expunge weaponry from schools at the moment but maybe she needs to take a look at Cowboys and Indians as well and get some guidelines around this drawn up as I never quite realised just how much of a social justice minefield it really is.
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June 8, 2017 10:20am
Happychappy

Well it seems there is a lot more back stabbing of Bill English from Whale than any other news outlet in NZ. The Whale blubber has now progressed to announcing that Bill English national leader is the most inept leader in fifteen years. This clown must have got the bums rush from Bill just like John Key gave him and again he proves what a vindictive fat prick he is.
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June 8, 2017 10:34am
- SPC
  
  Maybe because he is an ex media crony of National (once advantaged by information flows) but has been available for hire to others since – such as a nation that claims National government New Zealand declared war on them.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:43am
- GazzaW
  
  I was told by an avid Whaleoiler that Bill English had insulted Slater’s father at some time in the past. His John Slater was a President of the National Party so it’s probably one of those internal party feuds. There’s certainly no love lost and given that WO was predicting a fall in the polls for the Nats the Colmar Brunton result will be very galling.
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:11pm
  - Gabby
    
    Did he tell him to get his fat kid off the sofa and onto a bike toot sweet?
    
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    June 8, 2017 12:56pm
- Paulus
  
  Whale is uptight awaiting his millions from Colin Craig and cannot wait.
  His blog has gone from bad to worse with sycophants only allowed.
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: (Prime Minister) English aware of housing crisis in 2010 – Salvation Army

… A very long story of gross political incompetence …

… 2017 …

English aware of housing crisis in 2010 – Salvation Army | Morning Report, 7:21 am on 8 June 2017 | RNZ … incl audio interview …

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201846736/english-aware-of-housing-crisis-in-2010-salvation-army

Google search … Salvation Army Housing

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201846736/english-aware-of-housing-crisis-in-2010-salvation-army

The head of the Salvation Army’s social services says the Prime Minister, Bill English, contacted him in 2010 asking for his help to tackle a looming housing crisis in Auckland. Major Campbell Roberts says politicians in general haven’t acted quick or fast enough on the housing crisis despite knowing about it.

… 2012 …

Housing Affordability Announcement – 29 October 2012 – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk

… 2007 …

PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE

… refer GONE GONE GOING section … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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June 8, 2017 10:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  To be expected from the Salvation Army branch of the Labour Party, but more grease to lubricate Hugh’s wheels.
  
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  June 8, 2017 10:41am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    To say I’m disappointed with the National – led Government’s housing ‘performance’ would be a gross understatement …
    
    “Kiwis Pay Price For ‘Cullen Housing Bubble’” … Hugh Pavletich … Scoop News … October 2008
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0810/S00090/kiwis-pay-price-for-cullen-housing-bubble.htm
    
    NZ Government Housing Commitment Applauded … Hugh Pavletich … Scoop News … January 2009
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00331/nz-government-housing-commitment-applauded.htm
    
    New Zealands Pragmatic Political Approach Welcome … Hugh Pavletich … Scoop News … March 2009
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0903/S00467/new-zealands-pragmatic-political-approach-welcome.htm
    
    http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich
    
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    June 8, 2017 12:00pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Hugh is very selective of what he cuts and pastes you would think times he is praying on the unfortunate to earn a quid and forgets Twyford is about to find out whether he even has the support of his electorate. Some people will say anything to keep their nose in the trough.
      
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      June 8, 2017 12:13pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Behind paywalls … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
        
        WA economy continues historic bust – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/wa-economy-continues-historic-bust-3/
        
        Brisbane apartments see huge discounts – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/brisbane-apartments-see-huge-discounts/
        
        China turns capital flight tap off – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/china-turns-capital-flight-tap-off/
        
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        June 8, 2017 1:24pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Ireland at risk of creating new housing bubble, warns OECD … Colm Kelpie … The Irish Independent
        
        Housing: Are the Irish dealing effectively with land supply and infrastructure financing … or are their politicians just windbags like the New Zealand ones ? …
        
        Ireland at risk of creating new property bubble, warns OECD … The Irish Independent
        
        http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/ireland-at-risk-of-creating-new-property-bubble-warns-oecd-35801568.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … A spokesperson for incoming Taoiseach Leo Varadkar last night described the Fiscal Advisory Council and OECD reports as “valuable”.
        
        “It’s important to note the Department of Finance view that price rises in the property market are due principally to high demand and limited supply, rather than the availability of credit. As house building and supply ramps up, price increases should moderate,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … meet Irelands new Taoiseach / Prime Minister …
        
        The next Irish PM … Kiwiblog
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/the_next_irish_pm.html
        
        … The 07 / 08 bursting Irish housing bubble put all its Banks to the wall … requiring a bailout of in excess of 70 billion euro ( $NZ 109 billion ) …
        
        This country still needs to get its houses in order ten years after the financial crisis began … Lucinda Creighton … The Irish Sun
        
        https://www.thesun.ie/news/1006506/this-country-still-needs-to-get-its-houses-in-order-ten-years-after-the-financial-crisis-began/
        
        … extract …
        
        … However the clamour of young people who are desperate to buy – and I being one of them – is certainly being heeded by the Government. They have responded by implementing policies which are aimed at helping people circumvent the Central Bank’s restrictions.
        
        This is extremely irresponsible as it fails to address the real failures that exist in the property market and instead will have the effect of ensuring that young people once again get trapped in a borrowing cycle which will ultimately blow up in their faces.
        
        The problem in the market is not finance, it is cost. House prices are artificially high and the scale of borrowing required for a modest family home is completely out of kilter with the rest of Europe.
        
        If the Government is to intervene, therefore, it should not be on the lending side, but rather to address the glut in the system which is preventing enough housing becoming available to potential buyers.
        
        If this is not grasped and dealt with by the Government we will end up seeing more and more Irish citizens enslaved to mortgages.
        
        It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that if more houses come on stream, the competition for these houses will diminish (HP correction – increase) and prices will drop to more appropriate levels.
        
        One slight complicating factor is that the most powerful lobby in the State, the construction industry. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Lucinda Creighton – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucinda_Creighton
        
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        June 8, 2017 4:59pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … house prices in normal markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times … Demographia Housing Surveys schedule … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performancve … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
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        June 8, 2017 5:03pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Debt-to-income ratio would stop thousands from buying houses: RBNZ … Susan Edmunds … Fairfax NZ / Stuff
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/93473314/Debt-to-income-ratio-would-stop-thousands-from-buying-houses-RBNZ?cid=app-iPad
        
        The Reserve Bank wants to be able to stop people taking out mortgages that are too big compared to their incomes.
        
        It wants debt-to-income restrictions (DTIs), which limit the amount that people can borrow to a multiple of their income, added to its macroprudential toolkit, alongside loan-to-value (LVR) restrictions.
        
        The restrictions are used in other markets around the world, such as Britain, where borrowers must have a loan no bigger than 4.5 times their income. The Reserve Bank is suggesting a limit of five times.
        
        The size of New Zealand mortgages compared to incomes has increased sharply over the past 30 years. The Reserve Bank said increases since 2014 partly reflected the drop in interest rates over that time, but it was possible that rates could rise again in future. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 8, 2017 6:16pm
Manolo

Rooting for May:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3748893/the-sun-says-vote-conservative-dont-chuck-britain-corbyn/
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June 8, 2017 10:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s brilliant Manolo.
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  Here’s the Front page which went with it.
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBvwnGNWAAEkbXH?format=jpg&name=large
  
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  June 8, 2017 1:23pm
Longknives

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/06/07/weeks-throat-slitting-gestures-haka-should-have-dropped-ill/

I predicted on GD last night that Sonny Bill Williams and the Blues might pull a stunt like this.
Taunting the Lions with Throat Slitting Gestures right after they observe a minute’s silence for victims of Terror attacks?
Fucking disgusting.
Umaga adds to his his legacy as a violent thug on and off the field with this abomination..
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June 8, 2017 10:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yep, but kulcha always trumps decency.
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:22am
- SPC
  
  You merely predicted they would do a rain dance – because the MSM reported they would do a haka and it might rain …
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:24am
Biscuit

I call Whale Oil ‘The Standard – Lite’ these days…

Though I guffaw at the word ‘Lite’ – he and KimDotcrim seem to be having a personal battle to become ‘Fattest Blogger On Da Planet’…
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June 8, 2017 10:52am
kowtow

More fake news.

When is a no go zone not a go zone , when it’s an “especially vulnerable area”.

“There are certain requirements for an area to be classified as ‘especially vulnerable’, and Seved meets these,” he explains. “We’re talking about open drug trade, a certain parallel society, other structures than the usual social structures… and it’s been like that for some time in Seved, with a local criminal network running the show, trading drugs in the open, threatening residents and making their own rules.”

“Parallel society” ?

How’s that multiculti thingey working?

https://www.thelocal.se/20170607/heres-how-one-of-swedens-roughest-areas-edged-out-its-drug-gangs-seved-malmo-crime
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June 8, 2017 10:53am
- Harriet
  
  Or you could classify it as Palestine #2364
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, organised crime a multicultural thingey ?
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:33pm
Fletch

The Muslim mayor of London in a televised interview finding it hard to answer why the whereabouts of 400 radicals who have been over in Syria, fought with ISIS, and have come back into the country aren’t known. He tries to deflect to budgets and how it would be too expensive to follow them all around. Piers Morgan the interviewer says, “what is more important than that?”, and “where are they?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQo8C8bwKw
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June 8, 2017 11:07am
- SPC
  
  Pretty cheap to put tracking devices on them and ban them from associating with each other.
  
  Then if they do (terrorist sympathiser gatherings) then charge them for the security threat association.
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:26am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Cheaper still not to let the buggers back in in the first place.
    
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    June 8, 2017 3:14pm
- big bruv
  
  Fletch
  
  That is the same Muslim mayor who once famously referred to ‘moderate Muslims’ as Uncle Toms. That is the same Muslim mayor who during his time as a lawyer defended terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks. That is the same Muslim mayor who said that terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city. That is the same Muslim mayor who said that London was the safest city on earth.
  Sadiq Khan is an apologist for Islamic terrorists and I suspect he is also sympathetic to the cause of Islamic terror.
  
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  June 8, 2017 11:45am
  - Harriet
    
    He seems rather impartial to the deaths of ‘infidels’ in London for a ‘mayor’. Very few muslims get killed in the UK by terrorists.
    
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    June 8, 2017 12:24pm
  - stephieboy
    
    bigbruv , when did he precisely say ‘moderate Muslims’ as Uncle Toms. ?
    
    Harriet & Fletcht,the Mayor stated that his office is responsible for funding 15% of the Metropolitan Police’s budget .
    
    Obviously with that kind of money and other commitments his office is obviously under resourced .
    
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    June 8, 2017 12:37pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No amount of money is going to keep the west safe, perhaps we all need to carry weapons to even up the fight? We can all become our own policemen.
      
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      June 8, 2017 1:50pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rachel Membery , taking and inventory of your Assault weapons AK47s & AR15s ?
        
        ” We can all become our own policemen.”
        
        Like the ridiculous Oath keepers ?
        
        http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/oath-keepers-coming-to-dc-for-covert-inauguration-protection-mission/
        
        LOL
        
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        June 8, 2017 7:44pm
    - big bruv
      
      Here you go stephieboy
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPqHMcNUuP0
      
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      June 8, 2017 7:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        big bruv , for the life of me I fail to see how the Mayor is trying to promote Islamic Terrorism .The point about moderates as Uncle Tom’s has been taken entirely out of context .
        
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        June 8, 2017 7:51pm
  - Paulus
    
    He expects to lead the UK Labour Party soon so he can bring in all his friends to remake the Party.
    
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    June 8, 2017 2:11pm
  - MCos
    
    Those questions should be put to the police and the appropriate minister, I would have thought. They are responsible for law & order, but they are probably not Muslim . . . .
    
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    June 8, 2017 3:17pm
Stars And Stripes

Social workers to prove they are fit for the job
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/332514/social-workers-to-prove-they-are-fit-for-the-job
“Social Development Minister Anne Tolley said it was time all social workers met the same type of standards as other skilled professions.
It’s intensely significant work that they do in our communities … to give them that mana so they can sit at the table alongside other qualified professionals like teachers and nurses, is crucially important.”

Yeah as long as you can recite the TOW, use words like mana,whanau,and Aotearoa regularly in conversation and wear a fake bone carving from the $2 shop round your neck you should be qualified for the job.
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June 8, 2017 11:08am
Fletch

A little while back, the media ran stories about how all the smart, educated, intelligent young people voted for Hillary and how all the dumb people voted for Trump. The Wall Street Journal has the results of a standardized test given to students from over 200 colleges from 2013 to 2016, and it shows that many students don’t even know how to think critically. Rather, they are brainwashed by left-leaning professors.

The Wall Street Journal reviewed the results of a little-known test used to measure student’s improvements in their critical thinking skills over the course of their tenure in college. The test is called the “Collegiate Learning Assessment Plus.” After reviewing the results from over 200 colleges and universities in the U.S. from 2013 to 2016, the Journal found some rather depressing statistics.

At least 33 percent of seniors at over 50 percent of the nation’s colleges were unable to construct a cogent argument, assess the quality of evidence presented before them or critically interpret data in a table, The Wall Street Journal reports. Even students at some of the most prestigious, sought after colleges and universities in the nation, seniors showed little or no improvement in critical thinking over their 4 years in school.

Faculty at 40 of the nation’s top universities are registered to vote as Democrats at a rate of nearly 12-to-1 to their Republican counterparts, according to a September 2016 Econ Journal Watch study. It would make sense then that recent graduates, which comprise a portion of the roughly 55 percent of young voters that went for Clinton in 2016, would vote for a Democratic candidate for president.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/07/here-is-why-trump-won-the-election/

The original article in the Wall Street Journal [paywalled].

https://www.wsj.com/articles/exclusive-test-data-many-colleges-fail-to-improve-critical-thinking-skills-1496686662?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb
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June 8, 2017 11:19am
big bruv

A security regime.

1. No rag heads to enter NZ
2. No followers of the Muslim faith to enter NZ
3. No more ‘refugees’ from any country that is predominantly Islamic.
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June 8, 2017 11:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  4. No Islamic schools allowed. All children to receive secular education.
  5. No girls allowed to wear headscarves at school. Must wear same clothing as all other students (including for swimming).
  6. No burkas allowed in public.
  7. Billboards that insult Mohammed and Islam to be prominently positioned outside all mosques (Muslims need to tolerate such criticism, and accept it as part of living in NZ)
  
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  June 8, 2017 12:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    UC , another attempt at implementing the Dicatorship of the Commonwealth aka Oliver Cromwell or is it Joesph Stalin ?
    
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    June 8, 2017 7:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  big bruv , you lunacy has no traction here .Stick to what you’re good at namely dishing the triumphant ABs !
  
  LOL
  
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  June 8, 2017 7:55pm
Jack5

The Possum Politician won’t like this …

One for Griff/Gryffud to take a spell from Global Warming and respond to: university study indicates smoking cannabis means kids are 26 times as likely to graduate to hard drugs by age 21.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4582548/Proof-cannabis-DOES-lead-teenagers-harder-drugs.html
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June 8, 2017 12:03pm
- mandk
  
  and 37 times (yes!) more likely to be nicotine addicted
  
  and 3 times more likely to be problem drinkers
  
  but the users won’t recognise the harm because it also causes intellectual impairment and psychosis
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:42pm
Fletch

“Global warming” is a myth — so say 80 graphs from 58 peer-reviewed scientific papers published in 2017.

See them here –

http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/29/80-graphs-from-58-new-2017-papers-invalidate-claims-of-unprecedented-global-scale-modern-warming/#sthash.ktF0tSb7.hn3ie8f2.dpbs
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June 8, 2017 12:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch an actual sampling of those so called ” peeer reviewes papers ?
  
  “Climate Bet for Charity, 2017 update”
  
  Posted on 3 March 2017 by Rob Honeycutt
  
  “ In 2011 a bet was started up between “skeptics” of man-made climate change who follow Pierre Gosselin’s “No Tricks Zone” blog, and myself and others here who follow SkS. It’s a simple bet asking, “Will the next 2011-2020 decade be warmer than the previous 2001 – 2010 decade?” We’re now over half way through this bet and here’s where we stand.
  
  What this graph represents is, what the state of the bet would be if it had been initiated 10 years ago, and ended this month. So, the red line represents the running decadal average to date. The yellow line represents the the running decadal line for the previous decade.
  At no point in the past 7 years has the yellow line been above the red line, thus at no point during this bet has the previous decade been warmer than the current decade. In fact, at no point in the past 26 years has the decadal average been lower. The chosen data sets for the bet are an average of the UAH and RSS satellite data, which we now know have some challenges. But even with data that most benefits the cooler side of things, the decadal average temperature of every month of the entire past 6 years has been warmer than the previous decade. It was close 1-2 years ago, but still the current decade remained higher…”
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/climate-bet-for-charity-2017-update.html
  
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  June 8, 2017 1:01pm
Jack5

Did I miss MSM coverage of this week’s world dairy auction?

You can find from the GDT site that the index rose 0.6 per cent at the auction. That’s still good for NZ, but the rising trend seems to have about levelled off.

For details:

https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/
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June 8, 2017 1:12pm
Jack5

Any opinions on the Hooerald web site’s new layout?

I find it puzzling when graphic artists re-arrange a site that seems to be working efficiently. Are web readers susceptible to the pretty layouts that designers like?

Are we like magazine readers who are beguiled by shiny covers and the pictures around which text is draped?

Or is the appeal of the web just the array, the amount, the timeliness of the information, and how easy it is to access?

Do designers consider appeal to web readers, or do they just extrapolate from their own aesthetic views?

Sometimes, I feel that it’s just a pain in the arse that I’ve got yet again to get a site navigation into autopilot, even though this doesn’t take long.
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June 8, 2017 1:32pm
- 4077th
  
  It’s shit. The content has been steadily declining or descending into paid hit pieces mostly but I still read it. New layout, seems empty, confusing and very tabloid like. Will read less from now on. Who’s bright idea was it to cover 25% of the page with a navigation pane?
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:12pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    That’s for the benefit of the reader. It means there is 25% less shit to wade through.
    
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    June 8, 2017 3:21pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Talking of shit does the Standard stop comments that don’t suit there agenda being posted now days or am I blind. After looking through their site today I can not find one comment on last night’s Collar Brunton Political Poll and it see.s a little strange to me.
    
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    June 8, 2017 4:41pm
    - stigie
      
      Good that you took one for the team Happychappy, but you might have to wait till the left party’s get somewhere near National’s polling, then you will see a huge wankfest at the Stranded by the usual tossers over there !~
      
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      June 8, 2017 5:10pm
    - Gabby
      
      Talking of stopping comments, why is Slimy Britches so uncomfy about Kiwirail complying with an OIA request? Seems like he’s a bit of a crappy chappy.
      
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      June 8, 2017 5:38pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Why is your boyfriend polling so badly slaggybaggy.
        
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        June 8, 2017 6:43pm
      - Gabby
        
        Slimy Britches isn’t MY crappy boyfriend, he’s YOUR chappyfriend.
        
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        June 8, 2017 7:00pm
- Paulus
  
  By signing up, as requested, you are the first target for the paywall.
  
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  June 8, 2017 2:14pm
Fletch

A former Dutch euthanasia supporter warns Britain not to make it legal. It was a huge mistake in the Netherlands.

Legalising assisted suicide is a slippery slope toward widespread killing of the sick, MPs and peers were told yesterday.

A former euthanasia supporter warned of a surge in deaths if Parliament allowed doctors to give deadly drugs to their patients.

‘Don’t do it Britain,’ said Theo Boer, a veteran European watchdog in assisted suicide cases. ‘Once the genie is out of the bottle, it is not likely ever to go back in again.’

His native Netherlands, where euthanasia has been legal since 2002, has seen deaths double in just six years and this year’s total may reach a record 6,000.

He said he was concerned at the extension of killing to new classes of people, including the demented and the depressed, and the establishment of mobile death units of ‘travelling euthanasing doctors’.

Professor Boer admitted he was ‘wrong – terribly wrong, in fact’ to have believed regulated euthanasia would work.

‘I used to be a supporter of the Dutch law. But now, with 12 years of experience, I take a very different view.

‘Whereas in the first years after 2002 hardly any patients with psychiatric illnesses or dementia appear in reports, these numbers are now sharply on the rise.

‘Cases have been reported in which a large part of the suffering of those given euthanasia or assisted suicide consisted in being aged, lonely or bereaved.

‘Some of these patients could have lived for years or decades. Pressure on doctors to conform to patients’ – or in some cases relatives’ – wishes can be intense.

‘Pressure from relatives, in combination with a patient’s concern for their wellbeing, is in some cases an important factor behind a euthanasia request. Not even the review committees, despite hard and conscientious work, have been able to halt these developments.’

Doctors in neighbouring Belgium are collectively killing an average of five people every day by euthanasia – with a 27 per cent surge in one year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686711/Dont-make-mistake-As-assisted-suicide-bill-goes-Lords-Dutch-regulator-backed-euthanasia-warns-Britain-leads-mass-killing.html#ixzz4jMtNsnHt
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June 8, 2017 1:39pm
- SPC
  
  Of course death rates will go up.
  
  Everything was hitherto medically assisted through over medication and the like.
  
  Now it is out in the open.
  
  And of course dementia cases will ultimately come into the equation, because people who were in the early onset stages were able to signal their desire for a later time when they became totally incapacitated.
  
  And then there is the fact there are more older people about as each year passes to be impacted by either the status quo or otherwise. Suffering or earlier and planned exit.
  
  Yes there will be pressure by aged people and or their relatives to have the option they want. And by those who do not want them to be able to have any say in the matter – because of the need for a moral prerogative determination to be seen as supreme over human life.
  
  The real problem is not in letting the aged and the sick to have a voice, or even in their relatives getting involved for their own selfish reasons – but in political society reducing health services, social and economic support to the level that people become desperate.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:42pm
jedmo

Anyone else having problems signing in to xtra email?
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June 8, 2017 5:32pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Yes site is down at the moment.
  
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  June 8, 2017 6:13pm
  - jedmo
    
    Xtra was dire when Yahoo was running it, I hoped it would be better with Spark taking it over again..
    
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    June 8, 2017 6:35pm
nasska

If you’re going to vote today you’re in for a big surprise

If you’re going to town to vote today you’ll never believe your eyes

Cos Ali’s turning up in his truck

And when he does you’ll get blown to fuck

Today’s the day the Pommies have their election.
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June 8, 2017 6:30pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Where the f#$k have you been?.
  The religious bloc on KB have been trying to over run the euthanasia thread all afternoon.
  Jack5 has been trying to hold the line assisted by various reinforcements but the big guns are still required.
  Get over there and sort it out.?
  
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  June 8, 2017 6:34pm
  - nasska
    
    I’m wading through the religious crap now S&S.
    
    The Godaddled are losing the plot! 🙂
    
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    June 8, 2017 6:40pm
    - stigie
      
      Come back safe Nasska, they can get a little sordid over there !~
      
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      June 8, 2017 6:44pm
stigie

If Milky put some money on the Blues last night, he would’ve done alright and not needing any pocket money from his mum for a while..?
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June 8, 2017 6:39pm
- thedavincimode
  
  stigie, I think by now milky has worked out that the pocket money actually comes from Uncle starboard. Might explain why milky’s been making like a bitch lately.
  
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  June 8, 2017 6:47pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Uncle starboard can’t afford much from his pension. Once he has paid for the rent on the pensioner flat, the hp on the mobility scooter, a week’s worth of instant noodles and a cask of wine, he only really has enough for a once a week splurge at the Woolston Club on the early bird roast of the day (please be seated by 4.30 pm).
    
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    June 8, 2017 7:08pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      You seem to know his routine off pat milky. Hats off to starboard for making the effort to spend some quality time with you.
      
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      June 8, 2017 8:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  Did you put that grand on, stigie?
  I’m only a small-time gambler, but I still felt like Punter-of-the-Year.
  And I see the TAB has the Crusaders at $1.57 favourites. It’s only going to get tougher for the Lions.
  
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  June 8, 2017 7:03pm
  - stigie
    
    No i didn’t Milky, thought 13+ was a little ambitious for the Blues ole chap !~
    
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    June 8, 2017 7:54pm
kowtow

Just watched delayed 1 “news” coverage of the UK GE. Party political broadcast on behalf of Corbyn.
Why do we have to fund this shit?
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June 8, 2017 7:16pm
- mikenmild
  
  Because your elected representatives share a commitment to public broadcasting?
  
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  June 8, 2017 7:19pm
- Gabby
  
  Well Theresa’s hiding again.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:40pm
- howitis
  
  Tragic Turnbull realistically had to call an election to get a mandate after sticking it to Abbott in Oz.
  
  May did not need to. Cameron stood down based on the Brexit vote. May had a mandate and an obligation to follow through the next 2 years of Brexit. This has been an unwelcome distraction.
  It was better to allow the likes of the Scottish hobbit to make a fool of herself and call for a separation referendum. Or allow Diane Abbott to make a fool of herself with no consequences.
  
  She was silly to call a GE and May well be punished for it. There was no win to come out of it. She had the treasury benches and Conservatives did very well in 2015 GE despite Cameron growing hair on his hands from 2010 to 2015.
  The voters will give her a serve.
  Will she recognise it, is the question?
  
  Jeepers watching one gnews on the teev has to be among the worst ways of ever being informed.
  Consider yourself told off KT 🙂
  
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  June 8, 2017 9:39pm
mikenmild

Okay, I can (almost) see why they might want to change the town’s name from Ward. But ‘Flaxbourne’?
And would we have to change all places named after prominent people?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/93462919/from-ward-to-flaxbourne-residents-of-small-south-marlborough-town-push-for-name-change
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June 8, 2017 8:10pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Yes probably but only if they were white of course.
  
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  June 8, 2017 8:27pm
  - nasska
    
    I sense that it will take an extraordinary amount of koha to shift this proposal between the goalposts.
    
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    June 8, 2017 8:37pm
    - Jack5
      
      I note this in the report:
      
      The first step in the name change process was consulting with local iwi, Rangitane o Wairau and Ngati Kuri, then Hickman wanted to hold a public vote and try to get council buy-in.
      
      Do they consult white iwi get when the Maori-heavy Geographic Board Maori-izes many English-language place names?
      
      It’s not long since some of the local wine mob wanted to change the name of Blenheim to something like Marlborough City. I think that failed.
      
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      June 8, 2017 9:05pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Marlborough City” sounds very American.
        
        Have you noticed the lack of Asian-language street or city names in this country.
        
        My suggestion for One Tree Hill is that it be renamed “Matsugaoka” (lit. “Pine Hill). But somehow I can’t see that idea getting a lot of traction.
        
        I do look forward to the day that some streets are given Chinese names (apart from naming a small through-road “Rewi Alley”).
        
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        June 8, 2017 9:13pm
      - mikenmild
        
        What ‘white iwi’ did you have in mind?
        
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        June 8, 2017 9:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        Do want something like whatever board controls Russian names?
        
        St Petersburg –> Petrograd —> Leningrad —> St Petersburg.
        
        Tsaritsyn –> Volgograd –> Stalingrad —> Volgograd.
        
        In the meantime, I would be cautious about nameing anything after Rewi Alley.
        
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        June 8, 2017 9:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, we would send your iwi an invitation to the hui.
        
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        June 8, 2017 9:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19050714.2.28
  
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  June 8, 2017 9:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    Read up on Sir Joseph Ward.
    
    An interesting and somewhat colourful character. Bankrupt, but bounced back, and a champion of private enterprise. Ward founded the once booming Ocean Beach Freezing Works. Telegram delivery boy to Postmaster-General. From the Encyclopedia of New Zealand:
    
    Joseph Ward always believed that the state existed to support private enterprise.
    
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    June 8, 2017 9:44pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Try the more recent biography (mid-90s?) by Michael Bassett.
      
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      June 8, 2017 9:56pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Maggy, thank you for the link. From back in the days when letters to the editor did not have the stuffing knocked out of them.
    
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    June 8, 2017 9:47pm
Rodney Randall

https://youtu.be/LYiWWx2tIn8

Didsbury Mosque is Dangerous – Tommy Robinson.

Rebel Media.
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June 8, 2017 9:21pm
Manolo

Oh dear:
https://www.axios.com/comey-testifies-in-front-of-senate-intel-committee-live-updates-2436847918.html
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June 9, 2017 7:11am
Manolo

The liberals want more and more of him:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/07/so-far-jim-comey-is-disappointing-the-witch-hunters/
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June 9, 2017 9:55am
cha

When you’ve lost Napolitano…

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“Today certainly advanced the ball on the seriousness of this investigation and the breadth of its scope,” Napolitano said. “If you look…at the big picture…you get a very, very credible and compelling argument that the President of the United States has not been truthful with the American people; and ordered the director of the FBI to shut down an investigation.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/judge-napolitano-credible-and-compelling-case-that-donald-trump-has-not-been-honest/
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