General Debate 28 June 2017

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RalphT

What, 8.04 and no comments; everyone must be busy on the Bain thread
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June 28, 2017 8:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Well done Ralph; you are caller number one!!
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:06am
SteveRemmington

A chuckle to start the day

“It’s been confirmed that Matt McCarten, currently Labour’s Chief of Staff, will move back to Auckland in September to head up a new project there. Matt will be in charge of maximising the vote in NZ’s biggest city and will run an office dedicated to that task.
It’s a tribute to his skills that he was retained in the Chief of Staff role by Andrew Little after being appointed by David Cunliffe. Little notes that McCarten’s value is in coordination:
“His strength is in the networks and setting up programmes and places for me to go to and getting stuff organised. And that is what I need.”
Matt has an almost unique ability to add value to whatever political project he takes on.”

https://thestandard.org.nz/labours-auckland-push/
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June 28, 2017 8:07am
- ztev
  
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  And he resigned from working for Little some months back- do keep up
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:34am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “His strength is in the networks and setting up programmes and places for me to go to and getting stuff organised. And that is what I need.”
    
    If MM is making arrangements for Little for his visits to Auckland, is that not working for Little?
    If it quacks like a duck!!
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:38am
    - ztev
      
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      Yes he was running an Auckland office but left to ‘pursue other oppotunities’
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:56am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
        You might fool some of the people some of the time, but there are too many of you Liabore fools making contradictory statements.
        
        The stench is getting stronger.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:02am
      - Liberty
        
        Has he gone back to Labours head office?
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:43am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    And he resigned from working for Little some months back…
    
    Last month ztev; last month. Just about the time that Little got wind of exactly what he was doing on the taxpayer’s dime.
    
    Doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that McCarten put out a media release about the Campaign for Change on a Saturday morning (17th June, to be precise) describing it as non-partisan? Then three days later we discovered just how partisan it was, and how embedded Labour was?
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1706/S00237/new-zealand-launches-campaign-for-change.htm
    
    Labour has tried to flush this story down the dunny and move on. Sorry ztev, but that ain’t working. If it walks like a duck, and if it sounds like a duck…
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:41am
    - Peter
      
      When I hear the names Bradbury, Little and McCarten, I certainly think “non-partisan”…..
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:52am
    - ztev
      
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      Just because its left wing doesnt mean it cant be ‘no partisan’- check your dictionary you last used at high school
      Taxpayers Union is non partisan too
      ” We are not a political party nor aligned to any.”
      
      As you could imagine McCartens own views would be to the left of labour
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:00am
      - Callum
        
        You do know it was promoted and labelled as a Labour Party program to overseas universities? And that was from February with Labour Party employees actively running it.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:05am
      - 4077th
        
        I don’t imagine McCarten has much of a view of anything other than the underside of the bus Little threw him under.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:08am
      - Peter
        
        I hear what you’re saying, Ztev
        
        When I saw the ads on the US University sites that said “Labour” the very last thing I thought was that it had something to do with Labour.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:17am
      - ztev
        
        I was referring to Campaign for Change
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:17pm
  - SteveRemmington
    
    Come Ztev. Get a sense of humour ya weak chinned cocksucker ?
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:54am
  - 4077th
    
    And just this morning it is revealed 2 of the “fellows” had incorrect visa’s. Jack the boy Tame was a softcock with Little when questioning him about it this morning. Tame gave him a pass almost without hesitation. No probing questions about Labour core values and policy just the obvious and was shut down immediately with Little spinning the line that all they were interested in was the welfare of the “fellows”. I call BS on that, it’s as obvious as the nose on his face that Labour and the MSM are doing everything in their power to kill this story. I hope David Carter looks into this sooner rather than later. I have acknowledgement about my complaint to the speaker and imagine mine is not the only one.
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:55am
    - alloytoo
      
      Mr. Little talked about the “Fellows” getting advise about their visas.
      
      Was this advice supplied by Labour?
      
      Are they licensed to give such advice?
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:09am
      - 4077th
        
        @ alloytoo
        As I have said in comment further down, I suspect if the “fellows” were advised to obtain a WHV to gain entry for this shoddy little show then I suspect this would fall into the “false pretences” category. Likely the holiday aspect were the days between “not campaigning” and therefore the primary motivation was work albeit unpaid. The stench is becoming overpowering.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:23am
    - Ross12
      
      Either McCarten is a hopeless organiser or the figure of 2 is BS.
      Why would you give different advice to 2 interns compared to the others on something as important as visas ?
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:18am
  - srylands
    
    Keep up with what?
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:02am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Yeah, got it, he resigned
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      resigned under a bus
      
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      June 28, 2017 11:07am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        residing under a bus
        
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        June 28, 2017 12:59pm
    - sam green
      
      I love you davincimode. You’re like an attack dog with an anxiety disorder.
      
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      June 29, 2017 1:28am
- KevOB
  
  That was last year.
  
  For an up to date PDF archive on the McCarten/Fellows/Foreigner/Labour/Fiasco/rort see:
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzSYCyt06Oj8LWtxVTZ1UEk1ekk
  
  Pass this link on please.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:39am
- ross411
  
  Ze best vey comrade, to add ze value, is to not pay the PAYE. Do not be telling ze proletariat. This value can go straight to ze Labour Party.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:54am
  - ross411
    
    Lol, thanks for your downvote Matt! The truth hurts, you thieving herbert.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:34am
- KevOB
  
  The Standard article is 2016!
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:04am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    I know. It was posted to show the inconsistency in how Matt was/is now revered.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:07am
- oldpark
  
  Is AngryAndy Little, a bigger meglamaniac manifest liar, that Winston Peters. Appears so, after his whole Lie-bour Party machine have been caught ,completely wroughting our immigration system,for student visas,and Little donkey deep in the fraud. Yet the “fake news outlet “Newstalkzb ,keeps ignoring Lie-bours Fraud with imported students,and they keep banging on about the Barclay Caper. Shame Liar Little,and his cohorts.
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:14am
Swifty

If I might prevail upon DPF’s hospitality, I have a matter of personal interest I’d welcome comment on, from those who would care to do so.

Please see here photographs of Charles Upham:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=charles+upham&rls=com.microsoft:en-NZ:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM_fzM5t7UAhWBkZQKHSq4B7MQ_AUICigB&biw=1067&bih=520

Please now take a look at this short film produced by the NFU ostensibly in 1941.

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/country-lads-1941

Please pause at the 1:20 mark.

That’s not Private Charles Upham off to war is it?

Most grateful for your views.
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June 28, 2017 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Private Charles Upham didn’t go off to war…
  He was a sergeant on embarkation
  http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C27809
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:59am
  - ztev
    
    I never realised he was a POW for half the war and his 2nd VC didnt come till after the war
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:12am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Yes, overseas though – not the Northcote stalag.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:21am
      - ztev
        
        Never been to a backpackers I see.
        Its been a few years since I was in one, 6 bunks in a room, communal showers.
        What else is new ?
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:35am
      - thedavincimode
        
        No, and I haven’t ever booked into a motel or hotel or otherwise arranged accommodation to wind up in a dump contrary to my expectations. I certainly haven’t ever been conned into travelling across the world at my own expense after being fed a line of bullshit about what was waiting for me at the other end.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:55am
      - 4077th
        
        I suspect the idea of keeping all “fellows” in one, apparently now, “secure location” was a way of containing anyone or anything that went off the reservation. Hence the inordinately swift appearance of the security guard on or before the story broke.
        
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        June 28, 2017 10:41am
      - Gabby
        
        Daminygoat practising your despicable racism?
        
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        June 28, 2017 10:52am
      - sam green
        
        Yes davincimode – but have you ever booked into a hotel in Queenstown only to have to complain about the screeches and the rest coming from the p soaked freaks up the hall?
        
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        June 29, 2017 1:35am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:32am
Paulus

Am concerned at the Southland electorate scandal to find that sex and drugs have now been discovered.
Do not know to which party this applies !
MSM as you appear to have a copy, from where, is interesting, of the tape – please expand and I will not watch Bonanza instead…..
Was Bill English involved in this 50 Shades…..?
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June 28, 2017 8:09am
- Lance
  
  As the number one crime in NZ obviously even more resources must be allocated to this outrageously important investigation.
  I suggest several million dollars be put aside and just shut down big dollops of police work to compensate.
  
  Nothing less than public floggings and stocks are required as punishment
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:18am
  - ztev
    
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    Obviously an investigation about an offence under the crimes act is a weensy bit more important that medium-rare burgers in Paihia and black roofs in Queenstown
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:40am
    - Lance
      
      A ‘team’ including a (very) senior detective assigned to this is the sort of bullshit NZ can do without.
      But obviously the Slave-Labour party don’t give a shit about the mountain of unsolved burglary cases.. hell often the police don’t turn up or at best weeks later.
      My daughter had her computer ripped from her hands on an Auckland train in front of dozens of witnesses and the Police did NOTHING, didn’t even try. We had to go and get the security video file then they moaned at us it wasn’t the right format. When WE had it recoded they then did nothing anyway.
      To be fair to the cops they are up to their eyeballs in serious crime.
      So fuck this sort of obscene waste of resources by shallow political hacks, that includes the MSM
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:20am
      - ztev
        
        According to Police Minister and deputy ‘leader’ Crime is declining so you can take your anecdotes and shove it.
        Recording you say ? Thats definitely not allowed as that would implicate someone who wants to stay in the background till the elections other.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:21pm
- Inandout
  
  The rain in Gore falls mainly on the floor.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:26am
  - ztev
    
    Do they have ‘ice’ in Queenstown?
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:13am
    - 4077th
      
      There is certainly plenty of it in Hone’s neck of the woods. The problem is it’s all the fault of the squinty eyed ones eh bro and not the brown, organised crime syndicates that operate with impunity in northland. Nothing to do with the bro’s or the ho’s is all the people with chinky sounding names.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:27am
    - double d
      
      this is a great example of why Labour is regarded as the nasty party.
      The labour leader under parliamentary privilege without a whiff of proof drop the sex and drugs implication around Todd Barclay in order to keep the story in the news cycle.
      Then cynical and nasty party apparatchiks such as Ztev make nasty little comments as above without a stitch of proof. and that folks, is why labour are doomed to fail. too much time playing the man not the ball. Ztev – dont you understand you do more harm than good with the childishness?
      but do keep it up.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:07pm
- KevOB
  
  Was Little remembering his past life when he mentioned sex and drugs yesterday. He appears to be the source. The Amercian infection has arrived: invention as a spur to re-action.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:42am
  - ztev
    
    The source was the Parliamentary Services investigation into a missing tape !
    Little just mentioned it in parliament after the details were released.
    Just so English could get his story straight
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:15am
    - KevOB
      
      How do you know that? what were Parliamentary Services doing looking for a tape? Is that mean to refer to the dictaphone tape? Are we dealing with actual loose lips or just loose thoughts. Is this the Amercian disease infection interviewing typewriters?
      
      An electorate employment matter with disloyal staff is an irrelevancy compared to the PM’s claims of FRAUD in the house yesterday.
      
      The more Barclay is attacked the great the stink of FRAUD.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:49am
      - ztev
        
        That might be so, except this employment dispute has an MP being investigated for a crime x2 . making a recording and spreading said contents of recording. But theres more, a conviction of said crime would mean an MP is expelled from parliament. Even being charged would mean his time is up.
        Irrelevancy ? You are dreaming
        Then there is the party board member who tried to influence a witness to drop a complaint- another crime.
        Its a House of Cards
        
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        June 28, 2017 6:29pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Does that mean that he ‘learned’ after the Hagaman matter?
      
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      June 28, 2017 7:47pm
- VicParking
  
  Sex and drugs coming from Winne and his team. Pot call the kettle here
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    The sex and drugs angle from Little is because he got none. Sadsack!
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:02am
- KevOB
  
  Nothing has been discovered. Little’s comment has no foundation other than ANONYMOUS.
  
  At least the Prime Minster called the Labour trouble as FRAUD in the House yesterday. The Speaker did not comment. That was a very serious statement.
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:08am
  - ztev
    
    “The Parliamentary Service told Christchurch lawyer Kathryn Dalziel that there was a tape and her client, Glenys Dickson, was recorded discussing the MP.
    Dalziel was told one intercepted conversation involved talk of “sex and drug matters”.- Newsroom
    
    There fixed the ‘source’ for you.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:17am
    - KevOB
      
      All hearsay. Need more.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:55am
      - ztev
        
        I agree whole heartily. Much much more
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:22pm
- lifesgood
  
  I heard a lecturer from law school on the radio this morning who said that not only is it a crime to record someone without their knowledge but just as big a crime to tell others what is in the recording. Be interesting to see if the police can find out who spread this, I suspect, false info about sex and drugs because they will be in the do dos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Labour are making that part up knowing nobody can prove them wrong without breaking the law by discussing what is actually in the tape.
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:56pm
  - ztev
    
    One ‘person interest’ denied there was even a recording in spite of telling everyone else there was.
    Bill even refused to listen to this recording that didnt exist.
    That boat has sailed old frog.
    
    We can talk in broad terms about the tape as we havent ‘personally listened’ but of course a lady in Gore can talk about her taped conversations all she likes.
    
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    June 28, 2017 2:26pm
Happychappy

So it has been revealed that Labour also use their Leaders slush fund to pay out staff disputes, so can someone please tell me why they and msm would try to do the hits that have been launched knowing full well that this has happened before. Me thinks Andrew Little is about to be found out so they are admitting to having been a party to this practice to lesson the Headlines that it would normally get with the help of the media.
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June 28, 2017 8:16am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Perhaps he’s just being up front and honest. Bill English take note!
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    Andrew Little would not know the meaning of up front ask his Maori MP’s whether they believe that.
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:50am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    LOL, the head of slavelabour, honest?
    
    Listening to him on redradio last night he was squirming like the dying fish he really is.
    
    Shame 🙂
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:51am
- ztev
  
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  pay out staff disputes for staff they employ?
  As you know electorate office staff are not paid nor work for the political party. Thats the difference old frog.
  National criticised payout from leaders fund when Helen Clark was PM ( defamation case) so its only wrong when labour did it. Key made payouts for defamation ( Ambrose) and and some who wasnt even employed by the leader ( Dickson)
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:45am
- m@tt
  
  Yes. I think both parties should pay the amounts back in full from their own funds.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:47am
oldpark

Creepy# 2 .What an indictment,there was Angry Andy Little from Lie-bour/Green Party putting the boot into National over the Barclay Caper,when they were involved in a far more sinister type of corrupt activity. It was the importing of 85 overseas students,and fiddling the NZ immigration visa system .Not only that they arranged accomodation ,claimed as sweat shop living,and even worse ,students were expected to work for free ,called volunteers,better know in Lie-bour /Green speak as Slave-Labour. Even worse,it appears it is a re-run of the massive Liebour Party scam of the pledge card fiasco. Questions still need to be answered by Angry Andy Little ,or Mr 7% where has the money come from to fund the suspected wrought,of the electoral system,of which Lie-bour has a proven track record in.
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June 28, 2017 8:17am
- KevOB
  
  The PM Bill English called it very plainly FRAUD yesterday in the House.
  
  Standby for more today.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:44am
  - ztev
    
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    Students were told they had to apply for working holiday visas, only 2 out of 80 or so did not do so.
    Campaign for Change isnt the labour party
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:47am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      “Campaign for Change isnt the labour party”
      
      And there we have the mantra for the next few weeks from the horses mouth. If I say it, it must be true.
      
      Calling bullshit. So much bullshit. So youre saying Little had no idea what was going on. Zero, nothing, nada? Then hes an even more appalling waste of space than I gave him credit for. And thats the optics of this.
      
      “No I had no idea what he was up to, despite still working closely with him”
      
      Feeble, to say the very least.
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:55am
      - ztev
        
        How come 95% of the volunteers had the correct working holiday visa- someone must have told them
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:21am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Quick, look … over there!!!
        
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        June 28, 2017 10:08am
    - Prince
      
      ‘Campaign for Change’ was only Labour party, and there are pictures to prove it.
      Bringing in foreigners to subvert the NZ election is disgraceful.
      Now it seems it was just part of the plan…
      “McCarten had also floated the idea of bringing in a reverend from the United States – dubbed “souls for the polls” to unify the Ratana and Pasifika churches and turn out voters.”
      When was the last time a party courted controversy by linking up with a religious group ? Ask Don Brash.
      And isn’t it strange that McCarten was ‘let go’ by Labour in late May without any announcement or publicity ? I call bullshit on that – let’s see the paperwork.
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:58am
      - sooty
        
        Labour can post date anything! Just ask Helen.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:06am
    - 4077th
      
      BAHAHAHAHAH
      “Campaign for Change isnt the labour party”
      Keep telling yourself that Matt. If anyone believes that I have a bridge I can sell them!
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:05am
    - srylands
      
      They were only eligible for working holiday visas if the primary purpose of their visit was to holiday. Once granted such a visa they can work without restriction. However, in the case of those students who came to New Zealand primarily to work on this campaign for “not labour”, they could only have been granted such visas if they made false statements to Immigration New Zealand.
      
      I concede that some of the 80 students may have been travelling to New Zealand for the primary purpose of “holidaying”. However are you saying that all 80 were?
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:07am
      - 4077th
        
        “The “students” were TOLD to acquire working holiday visa’s”. This implies they were advised on the most credible way to enter under false pretences. This, I suggest, is what Bill English is referring to. If the “students” were advised to obtain visa’s this way as a means to an end for Labour they are in deep shit.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:16am
    - KevOB
      
      What is it then when it advertises as such. The organiser claims to be hiring workers in the name of labour.org.nz.
      
      Get the facts:
      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzSYCyt06Oj8LWtxVTZ1UEk1ekk
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:11am
    - alloytoo
      
      Who gave this sage advice and were they licenced to do so?
      
      Giving immigration advice without a licence can be considered a crime.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      ztev: “Students were told they had to apply for working holiday visas,”
      
      So CfC (aka Labour party) advised students to commit immigration fraud?
      
      Immigration consultants get prosecuted for this sort of behaviour.
      
      No matter how you play this, Labour is on the hook for criminal activity.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:29am
      - ztev
        
        Advising tourist visitors doesnt require a license, as the students are required to lodge their own application online
        Giving a link to the relevant web page isnt ‘advice’
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:32pm
    - Pateke
      
      Pull the other one. It has a chocolate fish on it.
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:37am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      I see Mr Kirton has just admitted on the AM show that:
      
      “It started off as a Labour Party project – not too dissimilar to what we’ve done in the past. ”
      
      This appears to be at odds with your statement Ztev.
      
      Either Kirton is lying or you are. Which is it?
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:52am
  - KevOB
    
    It was all on today about financing and hypocrisy. Great example for student visitors to Marae.
    
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    June 28, 2017 4:26pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sounds a lot like a rort to me, but I am surprised constantly at how little the MSM and I agree.
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:59am
Left Right and Centre

In light of the recent successful innovations on board the ETNZ boat . . .

Expect to see Tour de France teams making excellent use of the latest sail technology.
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June 28, 2017 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Dude, shhh, you’re under an NDA!
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  Will they peddle with their hands
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:52am
RF

Winning the Auld Mug has been a win win situation for National.

Labour and the greens lack business sense and basically could not organise a piss up in a brewery. I just cannot see Angrys Union skills and Jacinda’s chippy skills being an asset to running the cup in Auckland. As for the Greens they have zilch….

Those looking for stability will vote National this election.

Move forward to the next election and we will be about a year away from running the cup races. The country will be on a high with all the pre cup activity and labour and the greens if they still exist will sucking their thumbs watching from the sidelines.

That’s the 2020 election looking good for National as the current lefty crop will just be a bad memory.
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June 28, 2017 8:36am
- MCos
  
  Are you suggesting the Government should run the Americans Cup regatta?
  They’d probably blow the entire budget on a referendum to choose a song and then save money by flooding Westpak Stadium in Wellington and run the competition in dinghies.
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:01am
dime

what a fucking joke that “fireworks” display was yesterday.

Dime knew it too.

my exact words “bet it doesnt last 3 minutes and will be the equivalent of a few sparklers”

turns out it was a few flames. the sort of thing you see at the melbourne casino every hour or so.

the fuckers hyped it in the media.

when questioned some pr hack bitch goes – the people who were there really enjoyed it! ffs

they had people lining up across the harbour to watch lol low rent shit heads
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June 28, 2017 8:38am
- VicParking
  
  Did they borrow Goff’s matches
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:53am
  - dime
    
    as for that prick. alreadytalking about how the central govt will have to stump up for the cup.
    
    some bitch on “the project” – which may be the biggest turd of a show ive ever seen goes – cause obviously auckland council doesnt have a lot of money.
    
    no, not obviously you left wing idiot, they have tons. its just that they enjoy spending it badly.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:06am
- Longknives
  
  Some friends took their kids down thinking the ‘Fireworks Display’ was going to be huge colourful rockets off the Bridge (like they do in Sydney at New Years etc)
  They are fuming- Apparently it was about as spectacular as the loud bangs and smoke machines when the Warriors run onto the field at Mt Smart…
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:05am
- Fletch
  
  Because you can only buy fireworks for a week in November, from the Warehouse. Cupboard must have been a bit bare…
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:14am
- rangitoto
  
  I work about 100 metres from the Viaduct so walked down after work to have a look. The traffic was jammed up and lots of peeps lined up around the viaduct. Then a totally lame show. What a joke.
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:40am
  - Gabby
    
    Think of the savings.
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:23pm
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin’ angry.
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:24pm
EAD_TWO

This is interesting and revealing viewing from a secretly recorded Q&A session over the weekend involving Two Jews and a Leftie who, gathered in a synagogue, appear baffled by the Alt-Right, fearing the rise of its popularity.

https://redice.tv/red-ice-tv/pseudo-intellectual-media-pundits-speculate-on-how-to-stop-the-alt-right-in-a-synagogue

Typically, they use all sorts of slander and outright lies including even comparing the Alt-Right to ISIS!

I think all 3 of the panellists knows fine rightly what the Alt-Right are all about but are simply too afraid to actually name their cause in an honest or accurate way – most likely for fear of creating yet more converts to the Alt-Right.

For, to describe their position is to advance their cause – such is the self evident power and clarity of the Alt-Right thinking and ideas.

Indeed, and this is typical of the Left (just look at Stephieboy’s hyperventilation and use of the word “Alt-Right”), most of the ad-hominem and mischaracterisation of the Alt-Right is actually an accurate description of what the offend-a-trons with their problem glasses on the Left have themselves become.
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June 28, 2017 8:39am
- EAD_TWO
  
  What is the Alt-Rights so called ‘thinkings and ideas’ anyway?
  
  to have the same rights, privileges and protections for their people, culture and religion in their own countries as Israelis enjoy in theirs, not to put too fine a point on it 🙂
  
  EDIT: the comment I replied to has been deleted
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:07am
Happychappy

Labour want to be the Government after the next ElectionSeptember 23rd 2017 and the media are going all out to support them. How can any voter have confidence in Labour when they can not even get the small things right like interns Visas and because they get caught out blame these people saying they have not applied for their visa with the correct information like they were advised. Labour should have got it right not the interns who were expected to work for free, Labour made the mistakes because they were trying to hide Political fraud and now it is other people’s fault because they got caught out. These clowns should not be let anywhere near our Treasury Bench as they can’t even handle the small things in Politics.
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June 28, 2017 8:42am
- Muttonbird
  
  Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:47am
  - Happychappy
    
    Is there not rules against slave Labour.
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:52am
    - Muttonbird
      
      I take it you are against all volunteer work? The National Party relies heavily on volunteers and this government relies heavily on volunteers in the form of charity organisations who pick up the pieces left by the underfunding of social services.
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:58am
      - Prince
        
        Nat volunteers are NZ’ers.
        Labour has to bring in foreigners while campaigning against bringing in foreigners.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:05am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Why the need to import volunteers? There must be heaps of NZ’ers interested in the political process that would work on an election campaign. But then this is Liabore, with horrible accommodation and Mad Matt in charge, so perhaps not. ?
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:13am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Gawd, which one of the 3 resident commissars has been reincarnated under this moniker? I really don’t understand what they expect to achieve trotting out the party lies/half-truths/bullshit/spin. I imagine it’s all on the taxpayers’ dollar.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:28am
      - Happychappy
        
        Play with fire you get burnt, so it was Nationals fault Little committed Political fraud.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:43am
      - Gruffydd
        
        It is amusing watching it flap like a dead snapper. TDVM.
        Probably some dodgy student import.
        
        I can not see any value in using yanks for labor .
        USA politics are a long way from what we have here.
        It smells like a bunch of sweaty Mormons on bikes.
        
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        June 28, 2017 9:48am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        A lot of those ‘charities’ get Government money to deliver their services.
        
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        June 28, 2017 12:04pm
    - Gabby
      
      Go on then chappy, knock yourself out. List them and show how they’ve been broken. Or apologise for being crappy.
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:29am
- ztev
  
  Small things ? Like the deputy chair of Parliaments ‘Law and Order Committee’ refusing to cooperate with Police over a criminal investigation ?
  ACT kicked Donna Huata out of their caucus when she pulled the same trick
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:51am
  - ross411
    
    It’s not a case of either/or, consider taking the high road and expecting satisfaction from Labour as well as the deputy chair or whomever you wheel out as some weird counterweight.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:25am
    - ztev
      
      he lied about cooperation, hes lied about a tape, Im sure more of his lies will come to the surface.
      hes up against hardened professionals
      
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      June 28, 2017 2:35pm
- VicParking
  
  Work Visa’s = At least mimimum wage.
  Someone should report them to the union, I’m sure they will be on to it like a rat up a drainpipe.
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:57am
  - Pateke
    
    Drainpipe already overcrowded by unionists on their way up.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:41am
- KevOB
  
  They imported a 23 year old, or thereabouts. She was fresh from helping a US democratic congressional candidate to fail. Her only experience was brief political office internerships. after her PolSci degree. Apparently sufficient to create “Fellowships” here in the name of labour.org.nz.
  
  Caitlin Johnson’s Linkedin gives her as:
  
  Organizer
  New Zealand Labour Party January 2017 – Present (6 months)
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:01am
  - ross411
    
    Political science.. what is it really? Something like lesbian dance therapy?
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:26am
    - KevOB
      
      In the US?… (yes).
      I’m calling it the “Amercan Infection”. It seems to be a variety of anarchy.
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:06am
- srylands
  
  “Labour should have got it right not the interns who were expected to work for free”
  
  Actually, like all sensible employers, the advice to the prospective interns should have been: “You are responsible for ensuring that you have the correct visa to legally work for us. Here is a link to the Immigration New Zealand website. Here are six links to a selection of immigration advisers.”
  
  It is very foolish for the Labour Party (oops not Labour Party) to be providing advice to visitors to New Zealand on the type of visa they need to be compliant with the law. I thought that would be pretty bloody obvious, but apparently not.
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:54am
- Paulus
  
  To the media it is all John Key’s fault whatever, so they can get their own way and get rid of the Government – to what ?
  What is happening currently, and until the election, is create a dysfunctional political system by whatever means possible which is expected to create a destabilising perception of all politicians are party to an unreliable political system.
  IE that the whole of our political system is corrupt, like they did in the USA, France and the UK in recent times.
  That is the media’s intention as they have failed in other ways.
  
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  June 28, 2017 1:53pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I see Earl Hagaman on front page of the Christchurch paper.
Something there about a hard drive that a daughter has when she worked for a company he owned
What could all that mean ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/93990856/earl-hagamans-will-continues-fight-with-exwife
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June 28, 2017 8:54am
- Prince
  
  No doubt sex and drugs involved.
  Add it to your dirty tricks file, if there’s room.
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:03am
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    Thats absurd, he was an upstanding member of the community- national wouldnt accept funds on any other basis- would they.
    The hard disk wont be anything, its just the sort of thing you leave with a lawyers for safe keeping.
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:26am
    - Happychappy
      
      There is one thing about National that they don’t do and that’s hang the begging bowl out like Labour as there members appreciate there MP’s and how this Government managed the economy.
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:04am
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        managed ? $80 billion debt increasing every year by $5 bill or so.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:37pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Besmirching the dead is all ztev has left.
    
    Of course, it has nothing to do with the ongoing defamation action between Mrs Hagaman and Andrew Little, and of course ztev isn’t embedded in the Labour Party staff…
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:38am
    - Ross12
      
      The real question KS is how did the details of the will ( or any will for that matter) get into the media ?
      
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      June 28, 2017 11:41am
      - gump
        
        Have you never heard of probate?
        
        A will becomes a public record when an application for probate is filed with the Court. Anybody can view it or ask for a copy.
        
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        June 28, 2017 12:06pm
      - ztev
        
        Much more to come about this teensy weensy hard drive and why Earl wanted to pay $1 mill to get it back. I recently got a SSD one for about $100, so it must be the good oil.
        Lets hope Hollywood Industries has more publicity about its its good works, maybe its very generous business ?
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:44pm
- Gabby
  
  He didn’t make a massive donation to Matt McCarsehole’s campaign for loose change did he?
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:33am
- 4077th
  
  LOOK…. A squirrel !!
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:54am
Left Right and Centre

MSM elocution lessons . . .
John McEnroe – correctly said MookENroe
Thank you to the young bloke poofter ‘social media report’ (puke) on AM Show Mediaworks.
Sport won’t be his strong point eh ?

Speaking of gay . . . Faberge – correctly said Fab-Ber-Gay, that’s right – like it’s three different words, well done, by the lovely Duncan Garner from I think Friday.

And on TV1 in her charming broad kiwi accent – Abby informs viewers that ETNZ held their morning meeting . . . this morning. Too much white sand and heat will do that to you.
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June 28, 2017 8:54am
Manolo

Poor Italy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4640702/Italian-police-use-tear-gas-migrants-trying-enter-France.html

Italian police used tear gas on a group of up to 400 mainly African migrants as they tried to make their way into France.

The group marched towards the French border from the northern Italian town of Ventimiglia in the early hours of this morning before they were stopped.
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June 28, 2017 8:54am
- MCos
  
  Do you spend all day looking for news items that show up migrants in a poor light?
  By the way. What did you think of that French ref last night?
  
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  June 28, 2017 9:10am
  - ross411
    
    What are you saying? You never finished it. Something about not showing migrants in a bad light for some unnamed reason? The rapes and boat deaths, and coyote boats they pay thousands to cross in, and the dominance of economic migrants over refugees, and the truck hijacks? They not worth knowing about?
    
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    June 28, 2017 9:28am
VicParking

Should be using tear gas to drive them towards France.
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June 28, 2017 8:59am
Keeping Stock

Hypocrisy; thy name is the New Zealand Labour Party:

The leader of the opposition has revealed it too has used its leadership budget to pay employment settlements.

Police have reopened the investigation of National MP Todd Barclay, who stood down after allegations that he made secret recordings of a staffer who was later paid out using the leader’s office slush fund.

Labour leader Andrew Little says his party’s done that too.

“There’s certainly been employment settlements, they typically go through the leader’s budget.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/labour-also-has-used-leader-s-budget-for-payouts.html

Maybe what Burt says is true; that it really IS different when the Left do it. In the meantime, three cheers for the #FreeForeignLabourParty; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
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June 28, 2017 9:36am
- Gabby
  
  They haven’t been covering up secret recordings have they? Don’t keep too smug or you’ll pop.
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:41am
Hugh Pavletich

Australia … Census …

Housing affordability issues and crowded houses revealed in Census data … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/census-reveals-households-are-becoming-more-crowded-amid-affordability-squeeze/news-story/8628d2b8ed3228c1f444f00402ad82c9

An increase in people per dwelling revealed in the Census data is more evidence of the squeeze on housing affordability, according to the Housing Industry Association.

The number of households with six or more people has soared 20 per cent since 2011, according to the latest Census figures, while the average number of people living in each dwelling rose to 2.7 in Sydney and Melbourne and 2.6 nationally, the HIA noted.

Meanwhile, the proportion of renters rose as the number of homeowners fell.

“These figures show that the housing market, in these cities, continues to be undersupplied and inaccessible to new entrants,” HIA principal economist Tim Reardon said, adding that any fresh constraints on supply would exacerbate the trend. …

… concluding …

… Housing affordability has been in focus as average dwelling prices surged 75 per cent in Sydney and more than 50 per cent in Melbourne over the past five years, on CoreLogic figures, making it harder for first homebuyers to save a deposit.

Home ownership rates continue to plunge, housing stress widespread: Census – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/home-ownership-rates-continue-to-plunge-census/8654534

Home ownership rates in Australia have continued to decline as prices soar, with more people living in rentals and many owners and renters in housing stress. … read more via hyperlink above …
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June 28, 2017 9:37am
- Happychappy
  
  Its world wide Hugh not just your little bubble and as long as you have people bludging off the social welfare system it won’t change as they can’t help themselves because they would have to extend some energy and that’s like work. It is people like you that prey on the unfortunate to try and make a name for yourself that don’t help either.
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:13am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Happychappy … What part of ‘3.0’ don’t you understand ?
    
    2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
    
    http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
    
    Put another way … what they should be paying $250 – $300,000 for, thanks to the gross incompetence of the current Government, people are being forced to pay $600,000 for in Christchurch and a stratospheric million bucks in Auckland.
    
    Remember what John Key said a decade ago ? …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
    
    .. and that lessons needed to be learned from middle North America (check the Demographia Survey schedules) where it is still affordable or near affordable … as these examples of new homes by Pulte in Phoenix, Arizona illustrate (North American calculation of house size only includes ‘heated area’ … add additional for garaging) …
    
    Pulte Homes – Arizona
    
    https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
    
    Why is Nick Smith EFFECTIVE:Y BANNING the above pricing in New Zealand ?
    
    Why doesn’t Nick Smith realize denying people the opporunity of affordable / normal priced housing is a serious breach of basic human rights ?
    
    The National Party’s Housing Poverty Creation Programme is a disgrace. Here is Building & Construction Minister Nick Smith floundering in the Parliament… again … yesterday …
    
    Nick Smith blames Labour for Auckland’s housing problems, says National introduced most generous FHB scheme in a generation; English skips around Barclay Affair & ACT defends our freedom to eat a medium-rare burger | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88510/nick-smith-blames-labour-aucklands-housing-problems-says-national-introduced-most
    
    Isnt 9 years of this embarrassment enough ?
    
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    June 28, 2017 10:42am
    - stigie
      
      Oh Fuck Hugh !
      
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      June 28, 2017 11:45am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Hugh what works in Arizona is not going to work here
      We live on the Pacific ring of fire .
      Our weather comes from the wide open pacific ocean.
      We have one of the highest rates of UV in the world.
      
      A house built to Arizona standards would not meet seismic or wind loading codes or cope with our rainfall. Our UV rates would crumble their plastic windows and siding etc in a few years .
      
      Have you looked at those plans ?
      They would be like living in caves with so few windows.
      
      Not directly comparable to a nz home .
      
      It is costing us about $350000 to build right now on a difficult sloping site .
      We have large windows all around the house 4 beds a large enclosed deck and two bathrooms of about 1500sq feet.
      That is about what the yanks are paying apples to apples .
      Exchange rates and gst allowed for and the deference in building strength required for NZ and the costs from our site topography.
      
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      June 28, 2017 12:03pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The birth of the automobile … how the establishment tried to stop it …
        
        The Kaiser and the Catholic Cardinal …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsDNn_8pGY8
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT86RWxxTWs&t=3s
        
        The Great Horse-Manure Crisis of 1894 … Stephen Davies … Foundation for Economic Education
        
        https://fee.org/articles/the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/
        
        In 1888, mischievous Bertha Benz (with her two sons Eugun and Richard) ‘borrowed’ husband Karl’s contraption to visit her mother some 56 miles away …
        
        Happy birthday Bertha Benz – the woman at the wheel of the first ever road trip … UK Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/bertha-benz-woman-wheel-first-ever-road-trip/
        
        We need women like Bertha Benz today to help restore affordable housing !
        
        Women and children of course are THE MAJOR VICTIMS of unaffordable housing.
        
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        June 28, 2017 12:32pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Gruffydd …
        
        We are simply dealing with RESTORING affordable housing in New Zealand … NOT INVENTING IT.
        
        When we bought our first new home as a young married couple in Christchurch in 1978, on my SINGLE EARNER annual income of $8,000 we paid $24,000 … with a $20,000 mortgage.
        
        It was as easy then to buy houses as it is now to buy a car. It sure helped when the ‘political impediments’ to the latter were dealt with !
        
        Newshub … August last year …
        
        Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
        
        Go check out the US Construction Handbooks RS Means and line the detailed numbers up against our ones … the Rawlinsons Handbooks.
        
        If you get the land price wrong … everything else is wrong.
        
        I saw it all play out through my development career from the late 1970’s … as they politically and bureaucratically buggered the industry … turning what was a disciplined one back to the horse and buggy inefficient cottage building one … screwing and milking it silly !
        
        Just look at the time it takes them to get the stuff up in this country today. It speaks volumes. A pricing / productivity disaster … self-inflicted !
        
        We are currently in the (painful) process of unwinding this lunacy.
        
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        June 28, 2017 1:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        HOUSING POLITICAL PROGRESS – WHY ARE SOME STILL SO ILL-INFORMED ?
        
        Will New Zealand’s housing market slow down before the upcoming election? … Hillary Barry … Breakfast … TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealands-housing-market-slow-down-before-upcoming-election
        
        Would someone please tell this guy (and the equally ill-informed Hillary Barry) about Labours Housing Policies … and the important political shifts by others too ? … extract …
        
        http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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        … and what Bernard Hickey of Newsroom reported following the passing of the RMA Amendment Act (build-up from the HASHA Extension Act Opposition political parties cooperation back early September 2016) …
        
        https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom
        
        7. Just in case you missed it…
        
        One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
        
        The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.
        
        The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.
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        NICK SMITH MID LAST YEAR …
        
        LABOUR SUPPORT ON CITY LIMITS ABOLITION WELCOME – NICK SMITH – MAY 2016
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/labour-support-city-limits-welcomed
        
        The new position by the Labour opposition calling for an abolition of city limits has been welcomed by Building and Housing Minister Dr Nick Smith.
        
        “This is a welcome repositioning by Labour. Tight city limits and not allowing intensification is at the core of Auckland’s housing problems. It is limiting new housing developments, driving up section and house prices and encouraging land banking. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Mainfreight chairman Bruce Plested’s political stance a welcome change | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/94190412/editorial-mainfreight-chairman-bruce-plesteds-political-stance-a-welcome-change
        
        OPINION: Mainfreight has had a record year. According to its 2017 annual report, New Zealand’s largest freight company registered an unprecedented profit of $103 million in 2016-17, up 17 per cent on the previous 12 months. Revenue was up as well, surpassing $2.3 billion.
        
        In his report preamble, founder and chairman Bruce Plested lauded the company’s achievements. Then, he went a little off topic:
        
        “With 2017 being an election year in New Zealand and in some European countries, it is worth asking these questions of our politicians. Too many of them fail the test and are lost in platitudes, jokes, jibes, foxy words and sheer procrastination.” …
        
        … So began a brief but searing social commentary on New Zealand’s shortcomings in housing, education and the environment. Plested mused on housing inaffordability, chronic underachievement by school pupils in poor areas and the abusive relationship between big business and Mother Nature …
        
        … “High [house] prices . . . have been progressively increasing for the past 15 years, and all governments have been aware of the problem,” Plested wrote. “No government or local government has taken any meaningful action against this rising tide.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 28, 2017 7:48pm
Gruffydd

The 4 most brutal numbers in that poll showing the world hates Trump

1. The world distrusts Trump more than even Vladimir Putin

2. In each of allied countries, 9 out of 10 view Trump as “arrogant,” 7 in 10 as “dangerous”

3. Even nationalists don’t love Trump

4. Trump’s reputation is already worse than George W. Bush’s — at the depths of his presidency

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/27/the-4-most-brutal-numbers-in-that-poll-showing-the-world-hates-trump/?utm_term=.19753d1013b8
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June 28, 2017 9:39am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Of course the teeming billions of the Dirt World HATE Trump, he is bringing the Globohomo #openborders project to flood the West with Vibrants to a halt.
  
  The US Supreme Court has given the “muslim ban” the green light – to be fully implemented in the US fall.
  
  Trump has every right and power as POTUS to stop any Third Worlder Colourful he wants from slithering into the US.
  
  The US courts are full of Globohomo political appointees. Trump will need to purge these Leftist nomenklatura in order to make the US legal system great again.
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:25am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Anyone have a pimply teenager in mums basement to English translator please ?
    All I got from the above rant from jizz feels himself is that he likes homos and wants to Globo them.
    Starboard could you tell us what a Globo is for homos?
    
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    June 28, 2017 10:45am
  - sam green
    
    Wtf is a globohomo?
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:30pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I hope he is not referring to you Sam
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:17pm
    - sam green
      
      He/she is yet to explain it.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:53pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I would guess it is fucknuckle in mums basement for globalism.
        NZ relies on the global marketplace to secure our standard of living.
        We have one of the most free market places in the world . We once tried to protect our industry’s and borders
        Many here are old enough to remember before roger d held the treasury bench.
        Things like anyone who went oversea was asked to buy simple consumer goods we now take for granted . What you could buy here was very limited expensive and often utter crap anyway.
        A rejection of the free global market would cause us to fall into a third world economic position .
        We don’t have mother England or any one else to bail us out or take our goods in preference.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:16pm
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  You quoted washington post.
  washington post!
  Like it was a factual reference or something
  washington fake news post!
  Unashamed blatantly bias Trump haters and Clinton supporters…
  Do you think the article is objective or fair? Or does it just support you twisted little world view….
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:24pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Wha wha fake news the wa po.
    yip pew research does fake polls .
    its all fake .
    Oh and you have to love granny trouser suit to think trump is nothing but a failed propriety developer and reality tv star very much out of his depth
    smegwit.
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:30pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  The WAPO – HOHOHOHAHAHAHAHA
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:26pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Democracy will not work when you do not have a free press.
    You retards have been manipulated into a position where you dismiss information without thought if it does not comply with the line you are being feed by propaganda sources you have been told to follow.
    This is rather ominous for the future of the free world.
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:54pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Hi Don,
    
    I just bought an international subscription for the WaPo through Amazon for US$19 for the whole year. Finally a reasonable price. I’d recommend it.
    
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    June 28, 2017 4:37pm
  - virtualmark
    
    The WAPO – HOHOHOHAHAHAHAHA
    
    The Washington Post is “fake news”, but Breitbart is and Sean Hannity speak the truth to power?
    
    That’s the right-wing equivalent of left-wing students shouting out university speakers they don’t agree with.
    
    You are a snowflake.
    
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    June 28, 2017 5:35pm
- Paulus
  
  Assume this is from the Washington Post, The New York Times or CNN, and passed on verbatim to the Auckland Herald as usual.
  
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  June 28, 2017 1:57pm
Left Right and Centre

But wait, there’s more . . .
Oh no – Dr Jane Goodall was on The Project.
Oh dear – dear oh dear – I can’t take it, this is just all kinds of wrong – what on earth are these useless twats possibly going to say to her ? And try to ‘have her on’ about – haha – they are so funny, aren’t they ?

That fat ‘comic relief’ brown bloke called her ‘Dr Jane’ – groan – and the contrast between ‘Dr Jane’ and these dribbling braindead TV idiots – wow. Unintentional must see viewing – idiots.

Tell ya – Kanoa Lloyd would give the chimps a shock with that bucket size mouth of hers. See ? Everyone can be as ‘funny’ as they are.
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June 28, 2017 9:43am
Ross12

Project Veritas strikes again. Sends a reporter “undercover” to CNN and gets an admission that the whole Russian story is BS and CNN use it for ratings.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/cnn-exposed-undercover-sting-producer-admits-russia-story-fake-news-pushed-ratings-0
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June 28, 2017 9:53am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Project Veritas strikes again.
  
  And fizzles (Fletch posted this yesterday). The “whole Russian story” is bigger than CNN.
  
  Meanwhile, after slamming Obama for doing nothing about Russia interfering in last year’s election in the US:
  
  Why Is Donald Trump Enabling Russian Espionage in America?
  
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  June 28, 2017 10:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘According to an insider account, the Clinton team, put together the Russia Gate narrative within 24 hours of her defeat. The Clinton account explained that Russian hacking and election meddling caused her unexpected loss. Her opponent, Donald Trump, was a puppet of Putin. Trump, they said, “encourages espionage against our people.” The scurrilous Trump dossier, prepared by a London opposition research firm, Orbis, and paid for by unidentified Democrat donors, formed a key part of the Clinton narrative: Trump’s sexual and business escapades in Russia had made him a hostage of the Kremlin, ready to do its bidding. That was Hillary’s way to say that Trump is really not President of the United States—a siren call adopted by the Democratic party and media.’
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/06/19/is-russiagate-really-hillarygate/amp/
    
    Actual words caught on Video….
    ‘The Project Veritas video shows CNN producer John Bonifield admitting on tape that the Russia story was all about ratings and “mostly bullsh*t.”
    “I mean, it’s mostly bullsh*t right now,” Bonifield says. “Like, we don’t have any giant proof.” He goes on to say that “all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school you’re just like, that’s adorable. That’s adorable. This is a business.”
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/27/trump-claims-victory-over-fake-news-cnn-in-wake-of-project-veritas-video/
    
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    June 28, 2017 10:18am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Yep, complete fizz-bomb, despite all of Trump’s continuous hole-digging tweets.
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:27am
    - Gruffydd
      
      “mostly bullsh*t.”
      
      yip
      This apparently makes the entire story all bullshit in the mind’s of the TDS’s.
      
      We have smoke
      It is probable that members of Trumpies team was colluding with Russia before being the government.
      
      We may never see the fire.
      There may not be tapes or verifiable documents enough to get beyond circumstantial evidence .
      
      Mid terms
      If there is a swing to the left we will see Trump ditched by enough republicans to see him impeached.
      
      Hows the wall going ?
      opps
      Art of the deal
      Promise high then once you have them signed up who cares.
      ……
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘It is probable that members of Trumpies team was colluding with Russia before being the government.’
        
        “Probable”- Griff makes shit up again
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Hows the wall going?’
        Contracts are being let for construction of the prototypes. Funding was approved for that in the last Budget.A team has been put together to start dealing with the acquisition of the land needed for the wall.
        Boy, you sure are ignorant. It’s than Dunning Kruger effect thingy you’ve got huh.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:33pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The wall is a fantasy.
        You have drunk the cool aid.
        Sell high then who cares is trumps mode of operation.
        
        yip they are talking .
        
        It will never be built .
        Those who resent federal interference in state business will see to that with endless litigation to halt any progress. The cost of buying the land and the endless court cases it takes makes it nothing but a dream sold to gullible halfwits…
        At a guess in a year or so you will see an impressive demonstration section .
        Then the idea will get buried.
        
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        June 28, 2017 5:19pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “And fizzles”
    
    LOL, its the #FAKE NEWS “the Russians did it” that has fizzled.
    
    Desperate Dem Operatives/Gaystream Media had built up huge expectation in their support base that Trump would not see out even a first year before being impeached and Literally Hitler would be vanquished forever.
    
    Now it is dawning on all the single cat ladies, dindus and gender benders of Weimerica that Trump is going to see out his 4 years and has a good chance of another 4.
    
    Make America Great Again.
    
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    June 28, 2017 10:42am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      The last people to drop their Orange Messiah Complex will be the pro-Trump (and Russia) troll army. Pretty obvious who they are.
      
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      June 28, 2017 10:59am
      - ross411
        
        You might have noticed that he’s no longer orange, but hey don’t let your tirade get undermined by changes in the underlying facts.
        
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        June 28, 2017 11:08am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Lucia
        The thing is so whacked having it on your side is an embarrassment.
        Jason johns is no better .
        Pushing creationism in this country is pushing your team into irrelevance.
        Then you have the DK……….
        
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        June 28, 2017 11:08am
      - Gruffydd
        
        So ross
        Someone had to hold his tiny hand and explain why looking like a umbalumba was not a good idea for a president. You would think he would have known that right from the start.
        Can they fix the hands? What is a Covfefe ?
        
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        June 28, 2017 11:13am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Poor Lucia, having to get support from a Catholic hater like Griff. A guy who’s been banned many times for religious flame wars and being the rudest Commentator on here.
        So funny.
        Hey Griff, good to see you and your Psychological Projection here.
        Both of you well? Lol
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:17pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoc3js-xFsR3pe1amFJcCBRIOAoug0nfFEQ2HI91yvIsDotSLd0kwZUlc
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:20pm
- Scott
  
  Thanks for posting that link Ross 12. Having looked at the video what amazed me was the CEO of CNN in a meeting with his producers. CNN had made the action of Trump pulling out of the climate accords the centrepiece of its reporting for the last day and a half. But at the meeting the CEO said well done everyone on the climate accords but we are now done with that. Let’s get back to Russia!
  
  It amazes me that having been wrong about Trump as a presidential candidate for a year and predicting his demise every day and being so hopelessly wrong at the presidential election level. Now CNN is spending the next year obsessing about Trump and Russia! And if there is nothing there, which there isn’t, they will have spent a whole year spreading fake news about Trump’s supposed collusion with Russia.
  
  So if you are dedicated CNN watcher you will have had 2 years of nonsense. 2 years of fake news – year one – Trump is definitely going to lose the election. Year two – Trump is in league with the Russians and that’s why Hillary lost the election.
  
  Why would anyone watch CNN to try and find out what is going on?
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:09am
  - Fletch
    
    Russia just seems like the most expedient foe the Left can throw up that Trump can be colluding with. Iran? Can’t do it; just did a nuclear deal with them and we can’t mess with Obama’s legacy. Iraq? They are helping us fight ISIS. Syria? A possibility – they are an ally of Russia, but best not to pull up the spectre of Obama’s “red line”. Russia seems like the best option; let’s go with them.
    
    Strange though how it wasn’t until Trump got in that Russia was the enemy. What about Hillary’s infamous ‘reset button’ with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov? Obama caught on hot mic telling outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have “more flexibility” with issues like missile defence after the election. Oh, and when Mitt Romney tried to make the point that Russia was still the biggest geographical enemy, Obama told him, “the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back”.
    
    So, relations with Russia were relatively fine until the Left needed to manufacture an enemy for Trump to be colluding with.
    
    This also ignores the fact that Trump launched missiles against Syria, an ally of Russia.
    
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    June 28, 2017 11:48am
    - chiz
      
      So, relations with Russia were relatively fine until the Left needed to manufacture an enemy for Trump to be colluding with.
      
      Relations with Russia were relatively fine until Russia started invading and annexing its neighbours.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:16pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  The Noninsane Person’s Guide to the CNN Scandal the President Spent His Morning Yelling About
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:21am
  - Scott
    
    What the Project Veritas video showed is that even CNN producers do not believe that Trump colluded with Russia. Where is the evidence after all this time that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election from Hillary Clinton?
    
    Does anyone at CNN actually believe this? Does Lucia Maria actually believe that Trump is a Manchurian candidate who was a traitor to his country and a pawn of the Russians who stole the election from Hillary Clinton?
    Does anyone believe that the Russians is the reason that Hillary lost the election?
    
    I don’t think anyone actually believes that. It’s just a convenient stick to hit Trump with.
    
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    June 28, 2017 1:13pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Scott,
      
      What the Project Veritas video showed is that even CNN producers do not believe that Trump colluded with Russia.
      
      Just one CNN producer, the one that covers medical subjects, not news or politics.
      
      Does Lucia Maria actually believe that Trump is a Manchurian candidate who was a traitor to his country and a pawn of the Russians who stole the election from Hillary Clinton?
      
      Not that exactly, no. I do, however, believe Trump is tied up and/or beholden to the Russians in some way, and that he thinks the rules of the little people don’t apply to him. And he is totally out of his depth.
      
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      June 28, 2017 3:16pm
      - Scott
        
        Lucia Marie – appreciate your thoughtful reply. The accusations then are very vague. People may want to believe there is something between Trump and Russia but without any evidence this becomes much ado about nothing.
        
        Now I realise people may not like Trump as he is a loud American and Kiwis don’t normally like loud Americans. However when you look at what he is doing for Christians all round the globe, the Egyptian Christian girl who got freed out of prison recently, the desire to protect Christians in the middle east and the appointment of a conservative Supreme Court judge, those are big things.
        
        The Obama regime was very secular and antichristian, Trump along with vice president Mike Pence have been very supportive of religious freedom.
        
        So I think you and others should take another look at Trump. He is doing a lot of good in the world.
        
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        June 28, 2017 5:18pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Trump along with vice president Mike Pence have been very supportive of religious freedom.
        
        Patently untrue
        They have attempted to exclude people based on religion.
        What they are is supportive of a Weird brand of Christianity very different to any thing I see in the new testament.
        If Jesus was real and did return he would not be a Republican supporter .
        
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        June 28, 2017 5:38pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      How can it have been stolen from Hilarity, it was not hers, otherwise why bother with an election?
      
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      June 28, 2017 9:26pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s the #1 trending video on youtube. O’Keefe says there’s another video on CNN coming out tomorrow.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfrgMjF8LzU
  
  White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee-Sanders also mentioned the video in a press conference and encouraged everyone to watch it. She said the actions it shows are a “disgrace to all of media, to all journalism”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLIt5rG73k
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:27pm
thedavincimode

Where’s that despicable racist gabby today? Revising PC PR 101?
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June 28, 2017 10:03am
Gabby

Looking for a nit comb for a mingy goat.
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June 28, 2017 10:46am
- ross411
  
  Something to do with Labour and #SlaveGate, and Labour’s attempts to do PR? I know you can’t say it directly, or else you’ll be persecuted as far right by your comrades.
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Are you a drongo?

Try the quiz at the bottom of this article
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40416350
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June 28, 2017 11:13am
- RalphT
  
  I came out as a fair dinkum Aussie (5/5), though I was thrown a bit by the heading, five takeaways from a changing country. Pizza, burgers, KFC, Chinese, fish and chips and Mexican spring to mind, but surely there must be others.
  
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  June 28, 2017 11:29am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Here you go Kiwibloggers 🙂

FYI

‪The RULES covering the Leader’s Budget.

Speaker’s Directions which sets out the amounts for Leader’s funding, and what it can and can’t be used for.‬
‪ ‬
‪https://www.parliament.nz/media/3661/speakers-directions-2014-including-amendment-directions-2015-and-2017.pdf‬

(Haven’t yet studied this information – just got it ).

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.
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June 28, 2017 11:48am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Is this in relation to the Labour Fiasco?
  
  Im a bit surprised but good on you for jumping into it!
  
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  June 28, 2017 5:45pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I hope Labour isn’t making “hush money” payouts…….it owuld be hugely hypocritical…..oh wait……
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/labour-also-has-used-leader-s-budget-for-payouts.html
  
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  June 28, 2017 7:11pm
Jack5

Compulsory Maori in primary schools comes a step closer.

Nestled away in today’s announcement by Education Minister Nikki Kaye about a digital learning programme for schools is a note that the new curriculum will contain “unique Maori content”.

The digital learning for such young kids is questionable. Better maths is the key to technology. Coding is maths, isn’t it?

And the Brits are light years ahead in digital education technology. Will NZ follow Britain, where the BBC has given kids free, a million MicroBit computers-on-a-chip?

Do you really expect NZ’s primary school teachers to get their head around computing sufficiently to inspire the excitement of electronics and coding in young people? Our primary school teachers are overwhelmingly women who learned in times when females were more or less curtained from digital technology.
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June 28, 2017 11:57am
- Gruffydd
  
  Have you got a link to that jack?
  I do so want to know what a million MicroBit computers-on-a-chip is.
  Opps I found it.
  A mico computer board like a raspberry pi. About fifty bucks worth..
  http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/tech-news/one-million-microbit-computers-have-arrived-at-schools-to-help-teach-coding-11364047791326
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:14pm
- KevOB
  
  Maori is a pitiful language for regular use in 21st century NZ. When I hear it I almost flinch at the simplicity. It is akin to a 4 yr old’s speech through lack of vocabulary. It defines Polynesian interpersonal relationships precisely but words are overloaded otherwise to give basic meanings.
  We are not doing any favours promoting the misuse of this relic. Its grammar is also different so may conflict with later learning of English.
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:23pm
  - GoVege
    
    Dat’s true.
    In the Polynesian languages, adjectives and verbs come after the nouns…as in French.
    E.g: Aekae oi, Kev.
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:50pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “It is akin to a 4 yr old’s speech through lack of vocabulary.”
    
    And still the tellytubby mangles it like spitting lettuce through a colander.
    Let’s just put it into history where it belongs.
    
    And in saying that I have grandkids who speak a second language.
    But not a dead one.
    
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    June 28, 2017 8:16pm
- GoVege
  
  I doubt if it will ever become compulsory.
  But don’t panic….learning a 2nd language is good for young brains.
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:52pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    why not learn the true ancient language of NZ…Celt…
    
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    June 28, 2017 1:01pm
    - Kimbo
      
      OK, I’ll troll the troll.
      
      Of course as per British-Israelism, the Celts are the lost tribes of Israel,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism#Historical_linguistics
      
      …so no doubt if we learned Celtic/Gaelic we would have a fast-track to the same and exact Hebrew language that God spoke when he created the heavens and the earth some 6,000 years ago.
      
      Here, I’ll help you kick it off:
      
      בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
      
      Just wondering, did you learn Hebrew as quickly as Maori?
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:31pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        : Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’aretz.
        
        When in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        : Bereshith bara’ E’elohim ’eth hashamayim vwe’eth ha’aretz.
        
        There! Corrected that for ya – We are talking Classical, not Modern Hebrew/עברי 😉
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        ~~When~~ iIn the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
        
        A better rendering, although both are possible, and have their merits. However, some “creation science” shills like the version you originally posted, as it then gives them licence to posit the “fall of Satan”, which supposedly wrecked the original earth and then led in verse two to
        
        “and the earth ~~was~~ became without form and void….”
        
        ….which gives them an explanation for ancient dinosaur bones, yet also an updated creation some 6,000 years ago.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The surface of the earth needed a renewal when God created the present life-forms we see around us. So what does the fossil record depict? It shows a series of fossilized life-forms in layered deposits scattered in the earth’s crust. Man as we know him, made in God’s image with enormous creative and spiritual abilities, has left written records that take us back a little more than 5,000 years.
        
        This is a tiny span compared with what most scientists consider the age of the earth and stars to be based on their research. Man, in an incredibly short time, built the pyramids—which to this day defy imitation. Man has traveled to the moon and sent spacecraft to explore our solar system and beyond. Such achievements show the enormous difference in the earth before and after Adam.
        
        https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/creation-or-evolution-does-it-really-matter-what-you-believe/the-world
        
        So they are saying the Bible is “scientific”. Yeah, ok…
        
        But hey, they don’t yet seem to have got around to reconciling modern science with the flat disc earth with a solid dome sky holding back the “waters above” of Genesis chapter 1! But as per my exchanges with my friend Scott, the favoured method is…choose the translation option that best fits with current scientific knowledge and massage/shoe horn/jam the Ancient Hebrew text in to fit with it! 😉
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:59pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Kimbo
        The text had a meaning in context of the time it was written
        It was how a society explained their place in the world.
        We now have science to explain our place in the world.
        Don’t you think the ancient superstitions labeling the unknowns should be dropped in favor of our expanding knowledge based on evidence .
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:18pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Gruffydd
        
        I think both should be allowed to co-exist side by side, each speaking to their respective sphere of expertise, one in the realm of science and empirical material existence, the other in the realm of metaphysics, theology and faith. Often a difficult concept for the apostles and followers of logical positivism to grasp, who often automatically, inadvertently and unconsciously interpret all truth and reality through the prism of their prejudices and pre-understandings. As demonstrated by the premise upon which your question rests. 😉
        
        Good Hebrew research skills with Genesis 1:1, btw 😉
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:28pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        גוגל kimbo זה כל כך קל כל שעליך לעשות
        הוא לשאול את השאלה הנכונה
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:32pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Jack5,
  
  Our primary school teachers are overwhelmingly women who learned in times when females were more or less curtained from digital technology.
  
  As a matter of interest, what times would those have been?
  
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  June 28, 2017 1:07pm
  - sam green
    
    In ancient Jack5 times.
    
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    June 28, 2017 1:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    Lucia (and let’s ignore the troll, Sam Groan):
    
    What other explanation is there for the dearth of women in technology industries?
    
    In the 1960s, coding was learned in industry. When universities began teaching coding, the scarcity of women coders was supposed to end, but it hasn’t.
    
    Something curtains women off from coding. The few who excel get considerable publicity, and this seems to lull people into thinking women are catching up on males in this field.
    
    The gap seems to be growing, as the link at the bottom shows.
    
    I guess we should wait for the details of the school coding plans, but I bet it will be more talk about coding rather that following the fine British hands-on scheme with a million card computers.
    
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/the-lack-of-women-in-tech-is-actually-getting-worse
    
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    June 28, 2017 3:09pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Jack,
      
      The most convincing argument that I have read that stops women from getting into the computer field is the current culture which links gaming with computing, which turns many young women off. This is a far more recent phenomenon.
      
      However, your article talks about far less women in board positions – which is something affecting more experienced women. The thing with tech is that it is biased towards the young and those that keep up with technological change. If you hop out of it for a while, it’s difficult to get back into. For women especially.
      
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      June 28, 2017 4:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Assuming, rightly or wrongly, that the short absence from work in many cases is for having a young family ….
        
        With broadband all around, coding from home ought to be an option for women coders temporarily out of the work force because of motherhood.
        
        Much code work would suit flexible hours, either from home or at a work place.
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:38pm
      - sam green
        
        You might want to investigate some of the issues around “gamergate”, including the influence of people like Milo Yiannopoulos.
        Women are perfectly capable in this industry – no strength disparity issues – it makes you wonder if women have been systematically excluded.
        
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        June 28, 2017 7:25pm
    - KevOB
      
      My observations from the 70’s was that different programming languages suited different type of people. Speaking very sterotypically women excelled at verbal language and the men at symbolic maths.
      I knew some very able women commercial Cobol programmers who ran their own computer service. That was about the time that the mathematicians took programming over and the languages became almost like algebra. IBM invented APL, Wang had the 2200T; both very powerful but the code was all symbolic.
      
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      June 28, 2017 4:51pm
    - gump
      
      Many of the coders in the early days of computing were women, and it was even regarded in some circles as women’s work. The women at Bletchley Park being one example.
      
      I don’t know why the pendulum started to swing towards men in the 1970s but it did.
      
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      June 28, 2017 8:46pm
- Paulus
  
  You cannot expect that our current school teachers have the ability to teach even the basic computer skills.
  Are not the average ages of our primary teachers well over 50 years of age, and being unfamiliar with real basic computer skills ? Yes an em, Skype, but anything further doubtful. Was this not was revealed in many cases where the ability to take on additional computer skills, the new school payrolls, which were often handled by retired teachers, familiar with the old system, in the Teacher’s payroll debacle.
  Even the basic computer skills required in this new venture will stretch Teachers in areas with which they currently have no real skills.
  
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  June 28, 2017 2:45pm
Manolo

How will they end up settling this affair? Just imagine the lawyers’ fees:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/technology/eu-google-fine.html

Google suffered a major blow on Tuesday after European antitrust officials fined the search giant a record $2.7 billion for unfairly favoring some of its own services over those of rivals.
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June 28, 2017 11:58am
- rangitoto
  
  Google spend that sort of money on morning tea.
  
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  June 28, 2017 2:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Where you read fined, replace it with taxed.
  
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  June 28, 2017 4:54pm
JasonJohns

‘Maori is a pitiful language for regular use in 21st century NZ. When I hear it I almost flinch at the simplicity’

Yep. I once learned it out of curiosity – took an hour or so.
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June 28, 2017 12:46pm
- GoVege
  
  Really!
  How about a few examples then?
  
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  June 28, 2017 12:54pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    I consciously unlearnt the ‘te reo’, GoVege, because its simplicity can cause brain damage. That’s why our government should not as Kev says be encouraging Maori language and culture – on the contrary, it should be doing all it can to assimilate and Anglicise Maori. The language and the culture are very dangerous. Bringing them to school – you might as well give the kiddies P.
    
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    June 28, 2017 12:58pm
    - Gabby
      
      You should at least remember ‘my bottom hurts’.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:25pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Soo jason learns Maori in an hour.
      It gave him brain damage.
      so he unlearned it.
      That also resulted in brain damage as it is just as bad coming out as going in.
      He now is learning Klingon in the hope it unlearns the learned brain damage from leaning a damaging language.
      Is there a morel to this story
      yip jason has brain damage from learning to much overloading his limited circuits.
      
      You can see this is his belief that the welsh sailed here many years ago .
      as
      1 I am welsh.
      2 My welsh ancestors favored a type of vessel called a coracle.
      A few sticks woven in a shape like a bowl and covered in leather .
      here
      https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Travel/Pix/pictures/2011/8/9/1312899105888/Kevin-Rushby-coracle-007.jpg
      As a offshore sailor I can tell you such a vessel would hardly make it across a decent river let alone the 1000 miles of open ocean from here to anywhere.
      let alone the result of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teredo_navalis on such a vessel
      You need copper cladding.
      Before that was developed vessels had a life in the oceans of a year or two.
      It would take a lot more than that to sail the technology we know the Europeans had then to here .
      The great age of discovery was dependent on the technology developed to explore the worlds oceans.
      The Polynesian sailors with their twin hull catamarans had a vessel far more seaworthy and faster that the primitive European technology before about 1600.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:25pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        How is it possible that the Polynesians had advanced oceangoing technology and made voyages across the Pacific when as Kev points out their language was on the intellectual level of a four year old Griff? That doesn’t add up. Clearly someone els must have brought them here as Martin Doutre and John Ansell have theorised.
        
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        June 28, 2017 1:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Maybe the same way the Japanese have one of the most complicated languages in the world…yet they have never invented anything…ever. Modified, developed and improved existing inventions? Yes. They are outstanding at that. But invented something from scratch? Nope. Nothing…
        
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        June 28, 2017 1:48pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Sorry jason
        If you want to discuss stupid conspiracy theorys I could suggest some sites were like minded folks gather
        Polynesia is a collection of finely spread islands with many miles between them.
        They had no choice but to develop technology or perish.
        I would bet that many thousands sailed off and disappeared before they worked it out.
        Dug out canoe is limited by the size of tree and the labour needed to make it .
        Want a bigger vessel?
        lash two together .
        hay presto a cat with all its benefits.
        Go thought a couple of versions and you have a voyaging vessel with ocean capability .
        https://www.wharram.com/site/ refined the idea using our modern materials. You still see Wharram cats today at you local marina or offshore cruising grounds .
        
        There is no evidence of any ocean crossing ability by the celts or other early Europeans.
        Even the mighty vikings island hoped from land to land they could see or had already discovered.
        
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        June 28, 2017 1:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        Agar
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No.
        
        Now follow your nose into a home kitchen in Asia, and chances are that you will find agar there as well. Apparently invented by happy accident in 17th century Japan when a forgetful innkeeper left seaweed extract out in the cold, it has been used for centuries as a thickener, and to make all manner of deliciously wobbly desserts.
        
        http://www.asianscientist.com/2016/01/columns/history-agar-microbiology-lab/
        
        The implication of my post was an invention that was conscious and planned, not a “happy discovery/serendipitous”. So, no, stumbling across agar, much like the “invention” of Worcestershire Sauce doesn’t count. And Alexander Fleming was conducting experiments when he stumbled upon the anti-bacterial qualities of penicillin.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kimbo, at 1.48, asserts the Japanese have never invented anything…ever.
        
        In the absence of Okdayu-sen, a quick Google search finds the many Japanese inventions include these: Lithium-ion battery, the video tape-recorder, flash memory, the Yagi antenna, quartz wrist watch, pocket calculator, KS steel,, aikido, ju-jitsu, karate, atmospheric jet streams, hydrographic printing, the roller ballpen, continuously variable electronic transmission.
        
        A Japanese discovered methamphetamine, too.
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        As Griff/Gruffy points out, Polynesian cataramans were good.
        
        However, Griff, they could steer only very mildly up-wind couldn’t they? Didn’t the early European explorers report Polynesians could sail cross-wind but only very mildly up wind?
        
        Here’s what the Encyclopedia of NZ says:
        
        Lying in a band of prevailing westerly winds far south of the tropics, New Zealand presented a severe challenge to Polynesian navigators. A good way to reach the country was to sail with easterly tail winds across the top of an anti-clockwise rotating high-pressure system. Early summer, before the cyclone season, is an ideal time to make the journey. Two replica canoes, Hōkūle‘a and Hawaiki nui, did just this in November 1985.
        
        Another approach is to use northerly winds behind a high-pressure system or on the leading edge of an advancing frontal system, a cycle which recurs about once a week.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        Lithium-ion battery, the video tape-recorder, flash memory, the Yagi antenna, quartz wrist watch, pocket calculator, KS steel,, aikido, ju-jitsu, karate (developments of existing Eastern martial arts?), atmospheric jet streams, hydrographic printing, the roller ballpen, continuously variable electronic transmission…methamphetamin
        
        Those look like developments and improvements on existing inventions, which, as I acknowledged, is the great Japanese strength.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        On that basis, Kimbo, you would say the Wright brothers didn’t invent aeroplanes, they were only developing/improving existing inventions.
        
        Similarly you would say that Davy didn’t invent electric lighting. He was only building on candles.
        
        You seek to define the Japanese technologists into being copiers.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        The Wright brothers invented powered flight, which, I’d suggest is in a category of its own. is a significant departure in concept from hot air balloons and gliders and kites (although aerodynamics and the science of ‘lift’ wee necessary).
        
        Sure, no one starts from an absolute square one without the human knowledge of others. But for the sake of argument, and to capture a unique aspect of Japanese culture, and their need for conformity (which Odakyu-sen has acknowledged on occasions), no, they don’t do “brand new ideas/categories”.
        
        And no, I am not saying they are just “copiers”. I am saying they have a magnificent genius for taking what others have invented, and making it even better. was meant as a compliment.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:19pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The trades jack5
        You stay close to the equator to go east .
        You come down to about 25s to go west.
        They worked this out .
        
        You cant sail straight down wind it is unstable. You will jibe uncontrollably if you try.
        You sail off the wind by a few degrees .
        It is the reason why NZ was colonized by islands well east not the closer islands due north .
        
        The European vessels did not sail well into the wind either .
        Many wreaks happened from boats getting caught on a lee shore .
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:15pm
    - GoVege
      
      There definitely are some dangerous aspects to Maori culture:
      The entrenched sexism that sees women and kids bashed and killed and young girls impregnated at 4 times the rate of other cultures (and, unbelievably, the latter lauded as “our fertility” by Maori leaders).
      But once these primitive traditions go the way of slavery and long-pork, Maori will do well.
      They have many good things about their culture and it helps to learn the language in understanding the history.
      
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      June 28, 2017 1:37pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        I actually think the tribalism is a facet in the violence go veg.
        Reading history you will find that within the tribe children were treated well.
        The children of other tribes were abused killed and eaten in an offhand manor.
        The solo mothers end up with partners that feel no connection with the children they are supposed to care for .
        These “fathers” treat them as you would have treated another tribes children not your own.
        I think this also explains the crime statistics
        Not your tribe so who cares what you do to them .
        
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        June 28, 2017 2:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t overlook the slavery aspect, Griff.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        I kicked off this discussion with a note that the new a digital learning programme for schools will contain “unique Maori content”.
        
        If it promotes Maori language, it’s relevant to note that in a report in the Southland Times this week, Gary Davis, principal of a Southland “total immersion” school, was reported as saying the Maori language was in dire straits.
        
        Maori estimates were 15,000 to 20,000 people could speak the language fluently but many were older and numbers were dwindling.
        
        The 160 students at the Southland total immersion school are taught by 17 teachers, and teaching in English begins at year 7.
        
        Teaching kids to code with only-Maori instructions will be a helluva challenge. Manuals, how-to books and on-line help will be in English.
        
        Sorry, I can’t get a link to this story, but it was printed this week. You may have a way of finding it online. The headline began, “Keeping Te Reo alive”.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:31pm
      - itstricky
        
        Are you advocating the removal of all languages except for English then?
        
        Because there are, of course, other reasons for learning a language other than to code; forge a career; or make money.
        
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        June 28, 2017 3:44pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        You want to look into the cost of those few speakers
        It works out to about $20,000 a year each fluent person.
        Its dead let the fuckin thing lie in piece.
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:18pm
      - itstricky
        
        There’s circa ~15, 000 – 20,000 speakers of Sign Language as well.
        
        Are you going to advocate death of their language as well, making them mute as well as deaf?
        
        As per above, there are reasons other than money to:
        
        (a) Learn a language; and
        (b) Keep it.
        
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        June 28, 2017 8:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        Gruffydd :
        I think it’s more the sexism…..that males have no duty to their own children or their mothers.
        But kids are always in danger when their mums bring
        
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        June 29, 2017 2:43pm
- sam green
  
  What bollocks.
  
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  June 28, 2017 2:01pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Yes the Maori language has almost been removed after a long struggle. Like most weeds, it didn’t give up without a fight. But the visionary Pakeha politicians who came up with the Maori Schools Act recognised that English not Maori should be the language of instruction for Maori youngsters and that Maori needed to be Anglicised and assimilated. It’s taken 150 years but we’re nearly there. Unfortunately we now have a new menace – the other dialects of Maori that have come into NZ recently. There are 100,000 people who speak the samoan dialect alone. More that speak Cook Islands etc So a whole new generation of kids will need to be deprogrammed and Anglicised.
    
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    June 28, 2017 3:37pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      A lot of people falsely credit the Maori Apirana Ngata with suppressing the Maori language in schools. But the work of removing the language from education began much earlier in the Maori Schools Act in the 1860s. And I quote from that great piece of NZ law:
      
      ‘The teachers for these schools should be persons with three or four children, so that the children would do to teach the Maoris; or if they had none of their own, let them take some in as Hirini did. There should be two school-houses, about two miles apart, one for the education of the youths; the other should be occupied by the schoolmaster and his wife partly, and partly by the children and their mothers, until such time as they should become domesticated and sociable with the teacher’s children, when they could go away. There should be one or two women to assist the schoolmaster’s wife in domestic matters.
      
      There should also be a general play-ground for the European and Maori children together. There should not be a word of Maori allowed to be spoken in the school, and the master, his wife and children should be persons altogether ignorant of the Maori language.’
      
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      June 28, 2017 3:40pm
      - MH
        
        were you going to include the petitions to parliament by Maori to ensure English was to be the main language?
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:18pm
      - MH
        
        ah yes I see you have, Native Schools Act 1867 petition, Thanks.
        
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        June 28, 2017 4:24pm
Fletch

Stefan Molyneux covers the fall of CNN in his usual amusing style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOYIa-sOB4
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June 28, 2017 12:48pm
- ross411
  
  That guy needs to make his videos shorter.
  
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  June 28, 2017 1:00pm
chiz

Weird. Looks like you can replace the tv3 with any string and get the same result.
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June 28, 2017 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Greenpeace boss scores a conviction?
yeah/na

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/94162920/greenpeaces-russel-norman-offered-diversion-after-ship-protest-in-sea
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June 28, 2017 1:55pm
MH

buoy oh buoy – Norman bobbing up and down on one of the legs of the next America’s cup course. Sea Riesling will get him in the end. Someone did mention a sore bottom. Flotsam, jetsam and lagan. he’ll be a corker.
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June 28, 2017 2:16pm
sooty

How many times can you be offered diversion? If he accepets this time, will he get reamed next time.
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June 28, 2017 2:38pm
Manolo

The fake news machine is in deep trouble:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/cnns-russia-story-debacle-came-at-the-worst-possible-time-for-the-network/2017/06/27/8eb23616-5b3d-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.e1df11393ebe
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June 28, 2017 3:44pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Fake news apparently manolo.
  Anything in the WA PO is fake.
  If you believe a single word you must be a Hillary supporter .
  I learnerized this from two gentleman on here today.
  It is good knowledge.
  In a we should all be tribal raving spittle flecked loons sort of way.
  
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  June 28, 2017 4:38pm
Jack5

A lot of folk who follow Kiwiblog seem to be military-history enthusiasts, so here are a couple of snippets:

1. Today, June 28, is the 75th anniversary of the launching of Operation Blue, the German Army’s drive into southern Russia that culminated in defeat at Stalingrad.

2. Max Hastings rubbishes the new British aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, and her sister ship under construction, HMS Prince of Wales.

Queen Elizabeth is the biggest warship built for Royal Navy, was originally to have cost 4 billion pounds. That’s up to 6 billion bounds and rising – without the jets that will fly off her.

A good read by a good military writer:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4645434/Pride-Britain-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-6bn-blunder.html
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June 28, 2017 4:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Are we looking at a repeat of the stuck-in-the-past naval thinking that occurred when it was becoming apparent that planes were making battleships obsolescent?
  
  It took a while to get the the naval leaders to fully value aircraft carriers.
  
  Is it a case of, now in the missile age, the old admirals don’t see the vulnerability of aircraft carriers, and that only big navies, like America’s and China’s, will have the fleets to support carriers fully?
  
  They are talking about being able to carry hundreds of marines in the Queen Elizabeth, but the Royal Navy could get a specialised troop assault carrier with a deck for multiple helicopter landings for far, far less than six million pounds.
  
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  June 28, 2017 4:29pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    china has a brand new shinny aircraft carrier jack.
    They don’t actually have any war planes to fly off it yet.
    
    Ships as war machines are obsolete .
    A few grands worth of missile will take one out .
    HMS Sheffield
    It is only useful if you make war like the yanks and attack country’s without the technology to reply.
    
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    June 28, 2017 4:57pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Or the Russkies with their attacks on the Syrian rebs.
      
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      June 28, 2017 5:48pm
krazykiwi

I’ve just been spammed by the Labour Party

Kia ora [kk],

Thank you for attending the launch of our Community Action Network. We hope you enjoyed your time with us and met some of the great people already involved in our campaign.

On Saturday 1 July, we are holding a strategic briefing to keep people up to date with all the latest details of the campaign. At the briefing you’ll get an update on the state of the race so far, hear about our winning grassroots strategy and find out what you can do to help.

We would love to invite you to Labour Campaign HQ – come along, find out more and join our team.

I most certainly did not attend their Community Action Network. I’d rather gargle concrete.

Hearing about their ‘winning grassroots strategy’ could be good though. It’s hard to stumble upon good comedy these days.
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June 28, 2017 4:51pm
- stigie
  
  “winning grassroots strategy”
  
  Is that spending other peoples money to fund their election campaign..?
  
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  June 28, 2017 5:28pm
  - ztev
    
    Will national get the $5K back they lent #debarclay for campaigning ?
    Or did it end up someones nose ?
    
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    June 28, 2017 6:36pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Are members of the Labour party informed each time their leader uses his leaders fund for (using your words) “hush money” payouts?
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/labour-also-has-used-leader-s-budget-for-payouts.html
      
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      June 28, 2017 7:06pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Krazykiwi,
  I am no longer unique.
  I got the same spam as you did!
  
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  June 28, 2017 8:40pm
doggone7

John Banks loses another one.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94189840/john-banks-costs-appeal-thrown-out-by-supreme-court
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June 28, 2017 5:00pm
nasska

The would be voter went into a sex shop, “Excuse me, ” he asked, “have you got a massive dildo?”

“Yes sir, ” the assistant said and showed him a enormous red dildo. “Shall I wrap if for you sir? he asked.

“No, ” he replied, “but if you don’t mind would you shove it up my arse as far as it will go, I’ve been thinking about voting Labour & I need a reminder of what’s likely to happen if they win. “
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June 28, 2017 5:44pm
- stigie
  
  Yea brilliant Nasska !~
  
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  June 28, 2017 6:00pm
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  Their are help groups for those who self harm you know.
  
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  June 28, 2017 6:45pm
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    One of those big dildo’s could help you with your negative problem ztrev..?
    
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    June 28, 2017 7:07pm
EAD_TWO

Fletch above bought to our attention the works of Stefan Molyneux:

Here is another great video of his titled “Stefan Molyneux asks Jews why the hypocrisy on immigration”?.

In it he skewers a Jewish caller on why the Jews are so pro 3rd world immigration into Gentile countries yet when it comes to Israel they permit zero immigration of the non Jewish type. Even going so far as to build walls, insist upon blood test to ensure racial purity and their Prime Minister dehumanising would be immigrants as “wild beasts”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q8BLfefGtg

Like Myself, Reid and Kea, he does not shy away from talking truth to power as his mind his free from all the 2nd hand shibboleths and Pavolvian reflexes. Well worth a listen to all you Alt-Lite’s out there.
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June 28, 2017 6:23pm
Gruffydd

Like Myself, Reid and Kea

I see like a collection of loonytunes no need to watch then.
Hows the national socialism going?
Have you found away to avoid the fact Nazi scum out campaigning in NZ would be bashed senseless the first day? I have seen the skin heads try to have a stand at a bike show here.
They lasted about forty minutes before they left in an ambulance.
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June 28, 2017 7:27pm
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  You do realise Griff that if I were out “campaigning”, I’d be “campaigning” for European and Maori people in NZ to have the same rights, privileges and protections for their people, culture and religion in their own countries as Israelis enjoy in theirs.
  
  Would a tough keyboard warrior like yourself “bash” someone for supporting such policies?
  
  What makes you think the only people who want very restricted immigration would be “skinheads” or is that just what the MSM has been drumming into you (well you have fallen for the climate change hoax so maybe your mind really is weak) with scare stories about the Harris gang down in Christchurch?
  
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  June 28, 2017 7:51pm
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    Oh dear the Harris gang from Halswell.
    Went to school with some of them .
    No mate the skin heads.
    I know the leader in Auckland.
    Goes by the handle Chaos.
    Nazi scum.
    If you go out in public as a national socialist it is only a matter of time before someone gives you the bash.
    
    As to climate change
    The weak mind is someone who rejects science based on the fud pushed by the rick fucks who earn billions from oil and coal.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
    Weak as someone who comes on here pushing shite they got from prison planet and info wars.
    The global economy will collapse.
    In September 2015………!
    
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    June 29, 2017 7:04am
Rachael Membery

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11880856
Good job John Oliver.
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