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William of Ockham

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https://www.ecowatch.com/india-coal-mines-close-2446931737.html?utm_source=EcoWatch%2BList&utm_campaign=84218b8989-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-84218b8989-86111021
World’s Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet
The rapid growth in renewable energy continues to put a dent in the demand for coal

Coal India, the world’s biggest coal mining company and producer of 82 percent of the country’s coal, announced the closure of 37 mines. The sites make up roughly nine percent of the total mines operated by Coal India.

India’s energy market is undergoing a rapid transformation as it moves away from fossil fuels. Last month, the country cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations. [NZ total capacity all sources 10GW]

Notably, solar has been cheaper than coal-based electricity in India for the past several months. [continues]

The Independent reported: India’s solar sector has received heavy international investment, and the plummeting price of solar electricity has increased pressure on fossil fuel companies in the country. The government has announced it will not build any more coal plants after 2022 and predicts renewables will generate 57 percent of its power by 2027—a pledge far outstripping its commitment in the Paris climate change agreement.
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June 25, 2017 8:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who
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  Cares
  ?
  
  Idiot.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:12am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Read this
  
  http://drtimball.com/2012/co2-is-not-a-greenhouse-gas-that-raises-global-temperature-period/
  
  It talks about people like you.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:57am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Also read this. Its claimed that CFCs
    Per molecule, their warming effect is thousands of times greater than carbon dioxide.
    
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11652-climate-myths-co2-isnt-the-most-important-greenhouse-gas/
    
    https://phys.org/news/2013-05-global-chlorofluorocarbons-carbon-dioxide.html
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:06am
  - Gruffydd
    
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    Linking to the fringe loons the dragon slayers.
    
    https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation
    
    What a gibberingly ignorant fringe whacko you are right over labour.
    
    Here is the whack Tim Ball at his loony tune best for us realists to laugh at.
    From 8:30
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJQPyTVtNA
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:16am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:24am
      - Gruffydd
        
        ROFLMAO
        
        You don’t get how stupid you are linking to such loony tunes as the dragon slayers .
        http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-quantum-physics.htm
        Yet another case of DK .
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:29am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Excellent, bait worked. Now Griff can be abused for the rest of the day. Was getting a bit boring just having a go at W of O. , Now where is ztev, Ross001 and marquess?
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:46am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Get some logic up ya kiddys .
        
        Logic fallacy .
        
        Ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself
        
        For the smegwits ……
        I give a reasoned argument to support why I label you with uncomplimentary terms rather than empty attacks un related to the question under debate .
        
        The dragon slayers are a group of absolute loonys who deny our knowledge of basic physics.
        It is supportable that if you link to them you are either are a loony tune yourself or to thick or ignorant too understand why your are linking to a monumental pile of rubbish.
        
        Climate change a hoax?
        We have an ever escalating circle of organizations and individuals who are apparently in a huge scam including the worlds major scientific organizations, educational academy’s, governments and far more .
        
        The tinfoil hat level of insanity you need to justify such positions just makes it more amusing.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:11am
    - MarkF
      
      Ok I’ll play this game but please discuss the point. The acertion made is that as CO2 absorbs IR radiation and then re-emits it somehow shows it is a greenhouse gas. Simple question, how?
      
      If we assume an IR photon was traveling from Point A to Point B, if there was no CO2 then it would have just made very uneventful journey but if it then decided to visit Uncle CO2 on the way but, still in time got to Point B surely the net result is the same!
      
      You may argue the whilst the IR proton was visiting the CO2 then the temperature of that CO2 would be higher but when the IR proton was re-emited the temperature of the CO2 would fall again by the same amount as it rose on absorption.
      
      You may even argue the most of the CO2 are in this state but as the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is 400ppm or 0.04% (4/100 of 1%) then the influence of that CO2 heating up over the other 99.96% must, by all logic, be minimal or the increase in temperature of the CO2 must be near astronomical values.
      
      Thoughts?
      
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      June 25, 2017 10:06am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Jesus a live one
        
        Black body radiation.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
        Then we have a starting point.
        
        The short version .
        Our planet re radiates the energy that hits its surface at a frequency dependent on temperature.
        This is mostly in infra red . CO2 and other greenhouse gasses absorb infra red energy as it is radiated from the surface out to space.
        When the greenhouse gas re radiates the energy goes in all directions.
        50% of it is re directed back to the surface.
        http://irina.eas.gatech.edu/EAS8803_Fall2009/Lec6.pdf
        
        The complex version.
        Here….
        https://scienceofdoom.com/roadmap/co2/
        
        The rest of your dribble is just waffle .
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:34am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Correct, but the discussion around the CO2 is more complicated than that.
        
        See here for some of the Maths involved.
        
        http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9780857296993-c2.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-1153740-p174119469
        
        A simpler explanation is here
        
        http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=1169
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:57am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yip right over labor
        
        Not only did you just contradict your previous link you have added another piece of insanity to your score for the day ,
        Clive Best should go out and publish his ideas as they overturn over a century of knowledge .
        I do soo love the ignorance of a smegwit who can not get his story straight and links to fringe fiuckwittery.
        Don’t forget farce x the notch and the delay from David Evans in your cataloger of nutters . You can find his loony tune dribbling at Joe Novas blog .
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:10am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Read this. Found it by going to one of Griffs links and then reading the comments that refute the premise of the blog he linked to. Thanks Griff.
        
        https://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:07pm
  - Bullion
    
    Debunked: https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
    
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    June 26, 2017 11:27am
- Gruffydd
  
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  Roflmao at you poor Luddites
  
  https://www.ecowatch.com/india-coal-mines-close-2446931737.html?utm_source=EcoWatch%2BList&utm_campaign=84218b8989-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-84218b8989-86111021
  World’s Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet
  The rapid growth in renewable energy continues to put a dent in the demand for coal
  
  Coal India, the world’s biggest coal mining company and producer of 82 percent of the country’s coal, announced the closure of 37 mines. The sites make up roughly nine percent of the total mines operated by Coal India.
  
  India’s energy market is undergoing a rapid transformation as it moves away from fossil fuels. Last month, the country cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations. [NZ total capacity all sources 10GW]
  
  Notably, solar has been cheaper than coal-based electricity in India for the past several months. [continues]
  
  The Independent reported: India’s solar sector has received heavy international investment, and the plummeting price of solar electricity has increased pressure on fossil fuel companies in the country. The government has announced it will not build any more coal plants after 2022 and predicts renewables will generate 57 percent of its power by 2027—a pledge far outstripping its commitment in the Paris climate change agreement.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:24am
  - artemisia
    
    Time passes. The world turns. What was once a necessity becomes not so much.
    
    Evolution. Not revolution.
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:31am
  - Fletch
    
    It won’t work. Germany tried the solar and wind thing and is going back to coal in a big way.
    
    http://www.stefan-frank-texte.de/unreliable-german-solar-and-wind-forcing-new-coal-boom/
    
    It must be pointed out that currently there is no battery that can reliably store the energy from renewables. They simply don’t exist yet.
    
    Currently, the most widespread way humans have of storing green energy is pumping water up a hill, which actually accounts for 99 percent of all global energy storage. Yet the NYT article acknowledges that even this can only respond to relatively small changes in electricity demand. Without about 150 times more capacity to store power for later use, wind and solar simply won’t work.
    
    The U.S. has less than 1 percent of the energy storage capacity necessary for wind and solar to meet the green goal of “100 percent green energy,” according to an analysis of federal data published last June by The Daily Caller News Foundation.
    
    A study by Belgian scientists from the Université libre de Bruxelles analyzed data from local energy suppliers and came to the exact same conclusion. The scientists computer simulations determined that the batteries’ short lifetime and high prices — as well as fundamental problems — will likely prevent solar and wind power from ever being viable without lucrative financial incentives from the government.
    
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/06/new-york-times-admits-batteries-necessary-for-green-energy-dont-yet-exist/
    
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    June 25, 2017 12:38pm
    - peterwn
      
      NZ is blessed with storage to support solar and wind power. It is the existing network of hydro power station lakes. They provide the storage to support wind and solar at minimal extra cost (odd bits of Transpower reinforcement and some extra control equipment). This will saturate at some time in the future but there is plenty for the immediate future. Germany has a few dams (I assume they were re-built after 617 Squadron did them over in 1943) but it would seem that their storage capacity is now inadequate for intended solar and wind generation projects.
      
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      June 25, 2017 12:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At present it is cheaper for India to be importing coal than it is to be developing some of its own fields.
  
  That’s why Adani (Indian multinational) is donkey-deep in developing Oz coal.
  https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/20/government-may-fund-south-african-mine-that-would-compete-with-adani
  
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  June 25, 2017 3:33pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    yes maggy
    The oz government is dead set on sponsoring a enterprise no commercial bank will fund.
    Who funds an industry with no future?
    Crony capitalism at its best.
    
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    June 25, 2017 7:24pm
William of Ockham

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Washington. Breaking wind from the Mad House
Paranoid President Donald Drumpf attacks Robert Mueller – too friendly with James Comey and appointing pro-Hillary staff.

Potus orangutan insanus: Gone by Christmas.
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June 25, 2017 8:02am
- KevOB
  
  And you within ½ hr.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:34am
  - VicParking
    
    Come on team your slipping, just a few more ❌’s to go
    
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    June 25, 2017 8:39am
    - Gruffydd
      
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      opps you need to re tick kiddys
      
      Washington. Breaking wind from the Mad House
      Paranoid President Donald Drumpf attacks Robert Mueller – too friendly with James Comey and appointing pro-Hillary staff.
      
      Potus orangutan insanus: Gone by Christmas.
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:23am
Monique Watson

You could always fuck off and peddle your dribble on another site; William of Twatburgers.
So Bill English hasn’t been overly compromised by the Barclay debacle. As he shouldn’t. It boils down to a typical employment issue. The new kid on the block gets too big for his boots. Makes a serial fuck-up and hangs on for dear life. Eventually has to walk the plank. But the sharks are too busy circling for dirt on Jacarinda and Co, so English gets to ride out the scandal.
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June 25, 2017 8:09am
- G152
  
  Notice how for some obscure reason the media haven’t chased up on the slavery scheme of liebor.
  Now, why’s that I wonder ?
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:23am
  - VicParking
    
    Its not Slavery if the left do it. Its education.
    
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    June 25, 2017 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But Radio NZ is still running the “The Scandal of the Election”
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:14am
    - ztev
      
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      The Scandal of the crime, coverup and payoff at the top of national ?
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:28am
      - GazzaW
        
        Just more innuendo ztev? You’re as bad as Winston.
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:57am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Do you even believe yourself?
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:41am
  - Gabby
    
    They’re waiting for you to front up in court on the slavery accusation.
    
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    June 25, 2017 10:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Labour have been bought off the hook by somebody – unknown to everybody, stumping up the believed $280,000 which takes it away from the Labour Party.
    So move on nothing to see here.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:25am
    - calendar girl
      
      “…. nothing to see here.”
      
      Other than whether Labour will declare a $280k ‘donation’ in its Donor Register.
      
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      June 25, 2017 12:50pm
- Happychappy
  
  Monique : There was a good Column from a Left Journalist Oscar Knightly giving Bill English the praise he deserves on his Leadership and how he has been able to ride out the storm.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:24am
  - Inandout
    
    Is Oscar Knightly his pen name, surely?
    
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    June 25, 2017 8:46am
    - Happychappy
      
      He is a comedian come Journalist that has been around for years.
      
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      June 25, 2017 8:55am
- Gabby
  
  Depends on whether bribes were paid, threats made, lies told, who knew what when. Just like at intermediate.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:23am
- peterwn
  
  But it is the MP’s staffers who work for the MP, not the other way round. People who take on these roles must appreciate their boss may not be the ideal boss. Happens all the time – staffers leave because they cannot withstand the ‘heat’. Then the Minister’s or MP’s enemies make a big song and dance about it. Happened with Hekia Parata but this did not mean she was a sub-par Minister. Heather Simpson would not have found her boss Helen Clark the easiest to get on with but she knew how to get on with things and not become bitter and twisted about it.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:07pm
Southern Raider

Awesome atmosphere at Eden park last night. It was a sea of red and looked like a British home game.

Kingsland was pumping after the game and downtown must have been a party zone.

Yet nothing in either of our crap media websites
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June 25, 2017 8:09am
- Gabby
  
  Sky probably has the party coverage rights.
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:11am
Happychappy

It shows you the lengths Labour will go to to create bad news for NZ. By allowing their bully boy MP to take the trip to watch the Emerica’s Cup Regatta knowing all well that he is a loser and would probably contaminate the Team NZ Challenge by being there. Labours hash tag of Positive in the last Election has continued its negative meaning with Team NZ having its first loss in the final series with a born loser looking on.
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June 25, 2017 8:12am
- Viking2
  
  Recall Trev. quick we can’t afford to lose anymore.
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:00am
- cmm
  
  ” allowing their bully boy MP to take the trip to watch the Emerica’s Cup Regatta”
  
  Can you blame them? Labour MPs would be wise to make the most of their perks while they still have them.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:47pm
- Gabby
  
  So does Trev get credit for today’s wins chappy? Fair’s fair now.
  
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  June 26, 2017 6:38pm
Southern Raider

And in continuation of the nanny state a top historic restaurant has been told my an MPI inspector they aren’t allowed to cook medium rare hamburgers anymore
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June 25, 2017 8:13am
- CHFR
  
  Medium rare the only way to have a burger.
  
  I am starting to get sick of some desk jockey thinking they know more than a chef about how food should be cooked and served.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Desk jockeys know far more than anyone else! //
    The regulations in their desk manual must have been updated from overcooked meat being carcinogenic.
    
    How many deaths have there been in NZ from medium rare meat?
    
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    June 25, 2017 8:49am
    - ztev
      
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      probably just as many from un pasteurized milk
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:29am
    - GoVege
      
      Millions, I’ve heard….
      
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      June 25, 2017 1:14pm
    - ztev
      
      “New Zealand’s rate of food poisoning is considerably higher than other OECD countries. World Health Organisation figures show there were 271 cases of campylobacter poisoning – the heavyweight of food-borne illnesses – per 100,000 people in 2001, compared to the next highest, Australia, with 107 cases.”
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/195029/The-rotten-link-in-the-food-chain
      
      But people here who struggle with boiling an egg ‘know better’
      
      Why over 60C ?
      “Other nasties to beware of include listeria, e coli, salmonella and staphyloccocus aureus, most of which flourish in meat, poultry, eggs and dairy products at temperatures of between five to 60 degrees celsius.”
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:34pm
  - SGA
    
    Medium rare the only way to have a burger.
    
    Agreed. Bizarre. What’s next? I won’t be able to order rare steak? Is steak tartare to be banned? Sashimi?
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:03am
    - Colville
      
      Bollocks.
      Cook mine well.
      Caremelised ground meat is the flavour,
      
      A steak or tartare hasnt had raw egg mixed thru it and been left to stew.
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:56am
      - SGA
        
        Philistine. 🙂
        Cook on a reasonably hot grill, caramelising on the surface, juice in the middle, best of both worlds.
        (actually some versions of steak tartare call for a raw runny egg yolk)
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:19am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  `Bout time these Pinheaded Jobsworth Govt Beneficiaries got told to go fuck themselves.
  At the very least they should be publishing the data on food poisoning from the Duke before imposing draconian sanctions.
  Then again it is all in keeping of the productivity-sapping legislation coming out of Wellington.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:40am
Manolo

The hacks cannot help themselves:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/cnn-deletes-retracts-story-linking-trump-and-russia-20170624.html
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June 25, 2017 8:20am
rightoverlabour

Stuff has some crap on some snowflake not listening to a racist joke http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/93919857/guy-williams-offensive-jokes-can-be-funny-but-are-they-worth-it

Jokes, by their nature generally have a “victim”, else the situation is not funny. Remove offensive jokes, you remove humour, which is probably one of the things that distinguish humans from other animals. If we follow the premise of freedom of speech and expression, all jokes, including “offensive” ones have to be allowed. And in any case, offense is taken, it’s passive, and I refuse to be offended…..
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June 25, 2017 8:20am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Guy Williams, probably the saddest joke out there.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  When the Soviets had their slave buffer countries the hapless citizens were forbiden from speaking openly about their masters. Consequently they resorted to jokes about the regimes that oppressed them. True humour can bring even the most pompous down to the level of those under the yoke. Free speech is so tenuous that we must never be in the position where it is suppressed by those who despise it.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:02am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    the hapless citizens were forbiden from speaking openly about their masters.
    
    @ Inandout,
    
    It’s a pattern we see even in modern days whereby a hostile ruling elite seek to invent laws which silence legitimate investigation.
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/01/so-lets-play-game-of-who-are-elite.html?m=0
    
    Imagine if any criticism or hostility of European people’s (even when it’s valid) history could be instantly silenced by the cry of “anti-gentilism”.
    
    Our nations certainly wouldn’t be facing an uncertain future due to exponentially growing hordes of hostile 3rd worlders in our midst due to decades of psychological warfare designed to weaken us by telling us constantly we’re evil because of “slavery” and “colonialism” and “apartheid” and “Nazism” and “racism” and “land wars”
    
    As Voltaire said – To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”..
    
    If you think the West is ruled over by “Whites” – you need to read what I wrote again…??
    
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    June 25, 2017 10:03am
    - Inandout
      
      To inject a bit of humour into the morning:
      
      Three men were talking in a labour camp about why they had been arrested. “I was sent here because I was late for work”, said the first.
      “I was so anxious not to be late that I arrived half an hour early and was accused of being a saboteur”, said the second.
      The third said, “I turned up exactly on time and was accused of owning a foreign watch.”
      
      ‘What is the most boring whodunit in the world? The most boring whodunit is “The History of the Communist Party” because by the third page you know who committed the murders’.
      
      ‘Lenin’s widow, Krupskaya, visited a school to tell the children what a wonderful man Lenin had been and in particular how kind he had been to children.
      “One day”, she said, “Lenin was standing outside his dacha, peeling an apple with his knife. A hungry little boy came and watched him and asked him what he was doing.
      “Can’t you see, little boy”, Lenin said, “I am peeling an apple.”
      The children in the school were puzzled. “How does that show how kind
      Lenin was?” one of them asked.
      “Don’t you see”, said Krupskaya in a fury, “Lenin could have cut the hungry little boy’s throat but he didn’t.”
      
      Only people living under constant fear of arrest could write such dark humour. The US almost had it, but Hillary lost the race.
      
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      June 25, 2017 11:25am
      - peterwn
        
        During WW2 a couple of German soldiers were sent to a farmhouse to get some food. They accidentally ran over the farmer’s dog, but the farmer gave them lots of food despite this. ‘What did you say that caused the farmer to be so generous?’ they were asked. One of the soldiers said – ‘I just said – Heil Hitler, the dog’s dead’.
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:16pm
Manolo

Send the museum piece to the rest home:
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-06-24-US–House%20Democrats-Pelosi/id-874858ed7bcf46978f9adbb98ff04e7a

A dozen or so House Democrats want Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to go after a dispiriting loss in a House election in Georgia. They just don’t know how to make it happen.

“We can’t keep losing races and keep the same leadership in place. You have a baseball team that keeps losing year after year. At some point, the coach has got to go, right?” said Rep. Kathleen Rice, D-N.Y., on Friday.
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June 25, 2017 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  She must not be removed. Pelosi to Trump is what Little is to National; the gift that keeps on giving.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:07am
duggledog

Guy Williams in his article says:

‘You can say whatever you want; it’s one of the great freedoms and privileges of living in New Zealand.’

No you can’t.

‘Self-sufficiency and independence have been described as foreign concepts to Pacific cultures by New Zealand’s own Ministry for Pacific Peoples.’

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/333619/pacific-pension-advice-wording-unfortunate

Ya reckon?

Not allowed to say it though!

What about that report that found PI’s cost the taxpayer $3 for every $1 they contribute. They went ape shit, even though it was factually accurate.

Anyway, Joyce tries to whitewash it:

‘Asked whether he agreed with the ministry’s comment that Pacific cultures did not value independence or self-sufficiency, he said he wasn’t sure that he did.’
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June 25, 2017 8:26am
- KevOB
  
  @duggledog
  
  Not all Pacific cultures are the same. The Polynesians, Samoans particularly, have a system of a ranking of Chiefs ranging from elected heads of families to Ancient Title bearers as Heads of State. There are lines and those below in the line owe allegiance and obedience to those above. With the title comes control over economic resources which is expected to be available to meet calls on by those below in need and those above on request. Even Court fines can be paid that way by distance request which may stretch even to NZ.
  
  This provides a crude form of welfare support. People contribute to their Chief’s resources and the Chief as needed to their support. The aged or infirm do not go hungry. Self sufficiency is a foreign concept and withholding dues to promote that unacceptable. A Chief may prosper as best able including commercial adventures so as to ultimately help meet the extensive obligation
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:00am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Guy Williams is writing from a Western perspective. Not all cultures living in New Zealand subscribe to the notion of individual independence and responsibility.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:19am
- GoVege
  
  If PI’s (mainly the women) were paid the true value of their labour, that 3:1 ratio would be reversed.
  It’s true their health costs from over-eating and diabetes are through the roof.
  Also a fair few overseas-born Pacifica men are chauvinist bullies and cost NZ a small fortune in police call-outs, court and corrections costs plus care for their victims.
  Not to mention all the kids they produce to umpteen women/wives, who are supported on the DPB.
  (For a culture who claim to be Christians, they obviously don’t know their ten commandments. )
  Just bring in the women and young kids and leave the males behind.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:38pm
VicParking

Took Biscuits advice and found the online politics section of failing newspaper today. 24 articles about Barclay 3 about Liebours SlaveGate. 24 you say, yes, and I only counted the ones with headlines. I’m sure the opinion articles, Lizzy for instance would have been into Todd boots and all. OH and by the way two of the three SlaveGate articles were the unions and McCartens point of view. Thankfully I survived the experiance and can still type……
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June 25, 2017 8:35am
- Peter
  
  Our Lizzy was busy defending accomodation that looked to me to be a bit of dump from the photos I saw.
  
  Apparently, it is not a slum, it is Maori culture.
  
  Okay, then. Seems rather easy to fix the housing standards issue. Just define any dump-like accomodation as Maori culture and therefore, by definition, can’t be “a slum”, just a “different way of doing things”?
  
  Tongue in cheek aside, I think Lizzie is drawing a rather long bow. The issue was the accomodation wasn’t great (broken shower) and the fact it happened to be a Marae is neither here nor there. A white man’s B&B with those pictured standards would still look like a dump to me
  
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  June 25, 2017 12:50pm
duggledog

I think actually all the Barclay ‘scandal’ and ‘SlaveGate’ episode did was entrench the positions of those already against National and Labour respectively.

Neither was seismic enough to change votes wholesale.

Position normal. Don’t think the polls will change much. National will govern again, but with Winston Peters if he is still above ground, exacting a heavy price for his support.
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June 25, 2017 8:38am
- Gabby
  
  The slave thing is going to come back and bite someone’s arse bigtime. Was it Jimmy Carr’s retarded little brother Jordy who kicked that one off? I’m sure he’s not a racebaiting little shit.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:37am
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    What has slavery got to do with race?
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:51pm
lastmanstanding

Surprise. the Horis and the PIs cost whites and Asians big bucks to subsidise their questionable life styles.

Well who would have thought that.
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June 25, 2017 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I suspect that the “them vs. us” mentality is more highly developed in culture that are insular, uneducated or closed in mind to outside concepts.
  
  While it is noble to look after your family members, it often means in reality that you feel less responsibility or have fewer resources to help people who are strangers.
  
  Helping total strangers is a important trait to have if you are ever going to look outside your narrow, tribal worldview.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:25am
  - Gabby
    
    So what’s lostmong’s backward tribe?
    
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    June 25, 2017 10:40am
  - cmm
    
    “While it is noble to look after your family members, it often means in reality that you feel less responsibility or have fewer resources to help people who are strangers. ”
    
    I think you’re missing the point.
    
    In a society with an overzealous welfare system those responsibilities get changed into a resource and responsibility goes out the window.
    
    Having kids does not consume resources, but generates them.
    
    That fundamentally changes the relationship between parents and kids from precious beings to livestock.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:56pm
Dave_1924

Where is Big Bruvs review of the Test Match???? I need a laugh about All Blacks cheating and dodgy refs….

Knock, knock… Big Bruv?
Knock, knock… Big Bruv?
Knock, knock… Big Bruv?
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June 25, 2017 8:46am
Happychappy

The media seem to think the best way to help NZ is to turn a blind eye to blatant Political fraud and move on to there continuous Attack on the Prime Minister and his roll in the Todd Barclay affair. Have Labour corrupted them selves with the media also or is this part of the Unions putting pressure on
others to make sure Journalists tow the line.
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June 25, 2017 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  WO must have spent the night sucking lemons as he has come out swinging against Bill English today.
  Man he has got it in for National and Bill. His Blog has become the new Mini me Standard.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:54am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    I wonder what Bill did to piss him off so much?
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:04am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Bill is a Catholic.
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:11am
      - lifesgood
        
        WO has admitted his religion and it is one that has always hated Catholics. Also his beloved Judith Collins got passed over for PM.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:42am
      - Gabby
        
        Fat Cambo must be satanist muslim. There’s no sign of christianity about him.
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:14am
    - Nookin
      
      Bill had the temerity to beat Judith Collins for the leadership. Whaleoil tends to spit the dummy and throw his toys out of the cot if he does not get his own way. He is the right’s equivalent of the Daily Blog — nothing really constructive to contribute.
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:17am
      - ztev
        
        Bill got 20% last time was leader was the simple answer
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:32am
      - Paulus
        
        Have been banned on WO (I do not know why – but that I understand is not unusual) so do not even bother.
        It is his blog so he can do whatever and say whatever he likes.
        Censorship is paramount there though.
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:30am
    - G152
      
      Probably didn’t pander to whales sense of entitlement.
      
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      June 25, 2017 10:00am
      - VicParking
        
        WO has more people banned from commenting than he has people commenting.
        GO KB.
        
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        June 25, 2017 2:03pm
      - Colville
        
        It says a lot about WO that you will get a life ban for a question with no right of reply.
        Even the SubStandard only banned me for 2 months for teasing them about SlaveLabourGate !
        
        I just get to keep my powder dry and get one month of fun in the lead up to the election 🙂
        
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        June 25, 2017 4:03pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well he is in the same position Kate Bradford put herself, ” no mater what we do the polls stay the same” and if you look at blubber oil and his slogan and support for Winston first sooner or later his readers will get sick of paying to keep Whale alive.
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:06am
  - brett68
    
    That blog is a joke.
    Fuck knows why anyone would pay a $120 a year to reread articles you could read for free on the Herald or Stuff.
    
    How can the guy even be considered a journalist? he doesn’t seem to do anything original all he seems to do is copy someone else’s work.
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:32am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      WO used to be good, until they became all precious about moderation. Then he got pipped about something around the time Judith Collins was accused of something.. and from then on he lost the plot. I got banned for putting “FFS” in a comment… gave up at that point
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:50am
      - marleybob
        
        Same same, All I said was, Jacinda has a horses mouth, Executioner Pete threw me out the door.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:01am
      - lifesgood
        
        Well it was your own fault (heavy sarcasm) You know you have to agree with everything he says, pay him money for the pleasure and, despite the fact that he is prone to foul language, never use it yourself. I am astonished he still has any readers.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:53am
  - calendar girl
    
    All very sad really when WO’s father, John Slater, is a respected former President of the National Party.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:23pm
    - ztev
      
      Dont know about respected, Michelle Boag created rukus when she deposed Slater and had a chance to ‘count the money’ – Ill say no more
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:18pm
  - cmm
    
    WO’s still having a sook that his mate Crusher wasn’t made PM.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:58pm
VicParking

It has not taken the left long before they played the race card over SlaveGate.
https://thestandard.org.nz/racist-attack-on-marae-living/
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June 25, 2017 8:57am
- KevOB
  
  Thanks.
  
  Keep the slavegate-foreign subversion articles coming.
  
  I’m keeping a file for downloading shortly.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have you checked out the latest on Pete George’s blog?
    https://yournz.org/2017/06/25/the-mccarten-risk/
    
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    June 25, 2017 10:19am
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      Great link Maggy
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:10pm
    - sam green
      
      This is good too:
      
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/25/35873/barclay-affair-what-the-board-knew
      
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      June 25, 2017 7:46pm
    - KevOB
      
      That’s a good summary which I have added. I already have the backgrounders.
      
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      June 25, 2017 8:00pm
- Nookin
  
  I thought that it was the interns bitching about the accommodation and comments have been based on there complaints? What was it — one broken shower for 85 people? Interns have to fabricate their own living quarters?
  I also see Lizzy “it-was-the-technicians-that-stuffed-up-the-anthem” Marvelly is in there boots and all. If a family of beneficiaries were accommodated there pending availability of a state house she would have been all over it like a rash.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:27am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    If it’s authored by Marvelly the plastic Maori princess, I think I will give it a wide berth.
    
    I’m just not all that into the faux Maori persona.
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:46am
    - lifesgood
      
      Could never understand why she was chosen as a judge on that choir competition and why she gets so much air and print time. What are her qualifications, apart from being the privileged daughter of some hoteliers?
      
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      June 25, 2017 10:45am
      - Paulus
        
        Is she also not of the chosen Howard Morrison clan ?
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:10pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        What are her qualifications,
        
        A vagina and a tan, to answer your question.
        It would seem that these are the only qualifications needed today, is it any wonder we are in the trouble we are in?
        
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        June 25, 2017 6:55pm
  - Gabby
    
    You’re claiming there’s just the one shower are you?
    
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    June 25, 2017 10:43am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    One broken shower 85 people ? You’re on the marae bro – you don’t need none of that white oppressor bathing shit. Here – it’s a KFC towelette we kept from breakfast.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:23am
  - Peter
    
    I love this line:
    
    Any “slum-like” conditions at marae (of which there was little substantial evidence at Awataha) were likely due to the harsh effects of colonisation
    
    It’s just so SJW-note perfect. Apparently, if a door is off its hinges, or the shower isn’t working, it’s due to colonialism in 1850.
    
    You can’t even parody this stuff.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:14pm
    - cmm
      
      Well they’re 100% correct.
      
      Without colonialism there would be no shower, door or hinges.
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:00pm
- Happychappy
  
  Labour and there same drivel every election we value the Maori seats and we are the Party that look after Maori. Well Andrew Little and Labour if that was the case why would you let you Political Fraud get in the way of the conditions of the living quarters these people were expected to live in. Over Labour action it has left bad impression on some about Maraes and is that what you call looking after Maori.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    No ! it is the Koha that is important from whitey.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:12pm
- Rich Prick
  
  So the imports are racist? Gosh, Labour needs to take more care with where they get their slaves.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:50am
  - Gabby
    
    No apparently they’re slaves pricky. That mightn’t sit too well with one or two of them whose forebears really were. They might think someone’s taking the piss pricky.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:17am
  - cmm
    
    When they wanted 100 and only got 85, they can’t be too choosey.
    
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    June 25, 2017 2:01pm
DifferentPerspective

Stupid racist Maori motherf***er acts like racist motherf***er

The Maori party deserve to get the bullet if they allow this Maori racist motherf***er a chance to get back on the public purse again.

Only a racist motherf***er would suggest a death penalty that only applied to one race.

Oh but I forget, it’s OK when ~~Maori~~ the Left ~~facists~~ do it.

Oink oink Hone!
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June 25, 2017 9:02am
- Inandout
  
  Mrs Squash will surely be offended by Hone’s outburst and take action.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:19am
  - Happychappy
    
    Inanout : I see no one else wants to comment on Kelvin Davis and his reply about babies put on the Barbecue. If National had replied to Hone like that you would not have seen anything but condemnation of National and how racial they were.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:19am
JasonJohns

Snowflake alert: liberals are complaining because Trump’s new appointee dares to be a white nationalist http://www.towleroad.com/2017/06/william-bradford/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+towleroad%2Ffeed+%28Towleroad+Gay+News+%29
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June 25, 2017 9:12am
- Gabby
  
  I reckon he should wear an armband and salute Chump on nationwide telly jizzyjunk. That’ll larn the snoflakes.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:46am
- cha
  
  Snowflake alert:
  
  Stolen valour alert: piece of shit makes up stories about himself.
  
  One of Bradford’s allies, Professor Henry C. Karlson, pointed out that Bradford was the real deal — awarded the Silver Star and a major in the Special Forces. Bradford said he was in the infantry and military intelligence. He fought in Desert Storm and Bosnia, he said.
  
  On the law school’s Web site and its Viewbook, Bradford was profiled as being in the Army infantry from 1990 to 2001. He wore a Silver Star lapel pin around campus. He had a major’s gold-leaf insignia plate on his vehicle.
  
  After my column ran portraying Bradford as a victim of a politically correct agenda, I was contacted by retired Army Lt. Col. Keith R. Donnelly, a recent law school graduate, West Point graduate and Gulf War veteran.
  
  Donnelly had long been suspicious of Bradford’s background, he said. What really piqued his attention was the Silver Star claim — “it is a pretty high award for valor, and not many were awarded in Desert Storm.”
  
  Independently, Donnelly and I requested Bradford’s service record from the Army. It showed he was in the Army Reserve from Sept. 30, 1995, to Oct 23, 2001. He was discharged as a second lieutenant. He had no active duty. He was in military intelligence, not infantry. He received no awards.
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20150904113539/http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051204/COLUMNISTS02/512040470/1035
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:22pm
  - ztev
    
    Are you saying a person nominated by Trump to a judgeship was an out and out liar about his military awards ?
    
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    June 25, 2017 2:14pm
    - cha
      
      Energy.
      
      https://energy.gov/indianenergy/contributors/william-c-bradford
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:20pm
krazykiwi

I had the misfortune (or rather made the mistake) of watching a bit of Newshub last night.

I watched ‘a bit’ because after the third item started, showing a bunch of ‘boy racers’ heading to the funeral of one of their own, I switch it off.

What pathetic media. It has all the allure of something one might find on the side of their shoe.
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June 25, 2017 9:16am
- Nookin
  
  Get with it KK.
  Newshub genuinely believes that other boy racers were sitting down to a meal while watching the news and would have been profoundly affected by the tragedy –vowing to dispose of their vehicles, desist from nicking anyone else’s and devoting the rest of the lives to charity.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:32am
  - VicParking
    
    Affected someone.
    One Boy Racer he gave up drinking and left his can at the memorial.
    Good on him……….
    
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    June 25, 2017 2:17pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree kk. Why exactly do buy-racer yobbos need to be put on a pedestal?
  That item sickened me.
  Thank Christ the people in the other car survived.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:44am
- Gabby
  
  Crutcher of the Eyebrows never really sorted that boyracer thing did she.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:46am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  How often do you see their cars with RIP knobhead on the back or side tinted windows ?
  
  What’s that – another big stick family ? Nah mate – that’s all mah dead cuzzies -che-uuuuuur
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:14am
  - thedavincimode
    
    How often do you see their cars with RIP knobhead on the back or side tinted windows ?
    
    Not often enough.
    
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    June 25, 2017 12:47pm
  - Nermal
    
    Darwin in action
    
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    June 25, 2017 2:55pm
Keeping Stock

If ever you needed a reminder on how openly biased the media is, Jessica Mutch provided it last night. Right at the moment, she is interviewing Andrew Little on Q&A, where she should be asking tough questions on the Labour intern scheme, and the likely unlawful use of taxpayer funds.

Here’s how she prepared for the interview, proudly posing on Twitter:

Jessica Mutch TVNZ‏
@MutchJessica

Rugby time @KateLGourdie @michaelwoodnz @annetterongotai

Draw your own conclusions, but to me, that’s a very bad look. It will be interesting to see how tough she is on Little this morning, but I expect there will be far more questions on Todd Barclay than on #PledgeCard2
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June 25, 2017 9:16am
- Inandout
  
  Thank goodness few people watch these TV shows.
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:21am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The whole media/political narrative this week has been to put a hit on English in the run-up to his speech to the National Party convention later today.
    
    They had the story, they got a resignation, and everything was going swimmingly until Matt McCarten came along saying “Hold my Chardonnay” 😀
    
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    June 25, 2017 9:26am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Thats because Bill was lying all week over tapegate
      
      Nows he doubled down saying ‘what tape’
      Yes the one he said ‘ I dont want to listen to that rubbish’,
      the one that meant they paid off more money for silence because of the ‘privacy breach’
      
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      June 25, 2017 9:35am
      - Nookin
        
        So, Ross has the day off and Ztev is on duty and has to forego church and charitable thinking.
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:37am
      - nasska
        
        …..”Ztev is on duty”…..
        
        They’ve got to give the poor bugger a bit of time off troll duty sooner or later. At this rate he’ll be a total wreck by election day. 🙂
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:45am
      - Happychappy
        
        ztev : I guess you will say the same about Andrew Little after his blatant lies about not knowing about what was happening when four or five months ago after his trip to the UK he said they had a large number of people coming down to help cnvass for Labour at the September 23rd General Election.
        
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        June 25, 2017 9:53am
      - ztev
        
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        You work it out:
        Bill says on TV : “The fact of teh recording hasnt been established”
        
        On the record of Bills Police interview:
        ,“He (Todd Barclay) left a dictaphone running that picked up all conversations in the office …”
        
        Has he ‘forgotten again’?
        
        The reasons for the ‘confusion’ in the top levels of the party seem to be when the Deputy of Chair of parliaments ‘Law and Order Committee’ told the police investigators by way of solicitors letter that he ‘Doesnt have to speak to you’
        
        No doubt he was guided in his selection of words
        at the time by the leader and his deputy- Did they get their methods from the Godfather trilogy ?
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:08am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        So is Andrew Kirton lying when he implies to the family of a potential and now disappointed intern that he only found out about this “last week”?
        
        Anna said the flights were a birthday present from her parents and she had been looking forward to her six-week time on the programme. A friend of hers was in the same situation.
        
        “I’m really passionate about politics and it was a chance to travel to the other side of the world and learn about a whole other way of how politics work and get that experience.”
        
        She had been trawling through the news as it broke “and I’m actually counting myself quite lucky that I didn’t go, looking at some of the stuff that’s coming out.”
        
        Her father Dave Kettle said earlier that she was also wary of taking part after the past few days and the new offer did not seem as promising.
        
        “As she said to me, there are few things worse than being somewhere where you are not really wanted, and this offer certainly smacks of this.
        
        “Whilst I can sympathise with Mr Kirton’s position (assuming he knew nothing about all of this until last week), I’m afraid the organisation needs to take responsibility for the actions done in its name. Make amends, pay what’s owed and move on.
        
        “He was annoyed about the way it was handled and at Labour expecting students to cancel travel at a personal cost to them.”
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11881252
        
        The Labour documents leaked to Newshub (was it Matt, or was it Grant?) absolutely contradict that, and if Kirton knew, you can bet your last dollar Little knew as well.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:09am
      - ztev
        
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        That would be fanatstic KS if we had Eaglesons side of the story on the great questions of Tapegate and more specifically where did the Anus of proof lie ( with apologies to Australian Senator Jacquie Lamb)
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:18am
    - Gabby
      
      Bingles will be okay if he just stays smug. Not giving a shit is his strong suit.
      
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      June 25, 2017 10:49am
      - ztev
        
        Too late . they have his texts:
        ‘hes recorded the whole office with a dictaphone’
        
        The police record of Bills interview is also public after ‘mysteriously dissapearing’ from the previous release of documents by the police !
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:59am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bless 🙂
      
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      June 25, 2017 1:23pm
  - Peter
    
    Yes, I wouldn’t worry. A left wing echo chamber talking to nodding-head lefties and then they cluelessly wonder why they can’t move the vote, no matter what they say.
    
    Many are partisan, imbed hacks stuck in a dead tree business model. Unemployment beckons.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:07pm
DifferentPerspective

75% of refugees on dole for life

Germany admits that 3/4 of refugees will be on dole for life! In hyper-productive and efficient Germany, if they can only get 25% of refugees into work I doubt we can do any better in little old unproductive, welfarist NZ.

And the Greens want to bring in 5000 of these per year? WTF?

So they want to add a minimum of 3750 to the unemployment benefit every year?

Everything the Left does is targetted at making the welfare state unsustainable to tear down capitalism and the western way of life. It’s depressing to think that 11% of people around us think this is desirable?
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June 25, 2017 9:19am
- Paulus
  
  Dalziel says she wants 10,000 more people in Christchurch and that could include Refugees.
  There is now a surplus of houses in Christchurch with no buyers. Many families who left for other parts after the earthquake are not going back.
  The CBD cannot attract employers who decamped after the quake to outer parts and are not going back.
  The CBD is and will remain a wilderness.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:18pm
adamsmith1922

Watched Q&A yet again another totally unbalanced with Boag, Tamihere and Pagani. 2 left I right.
Like The Nation yesterday attack interview re Barclay , yet little on Slavegate . MSM seeking to bring National down. Total bias.
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June 25, 2017 9:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Refer my 9.16am
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone been following the Barclay’s Bank Fraud and what’s going on in Qatar?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/barclays-ceo-charged-fraud-qatar-funding-170620075021447.html
Are they linked?
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June 25, 2017 9:28am
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Anyone been following the Barclay’s Bank Fraud
  
  Well, if you’d said “Bank of America fraud”, Penny would’ve been interested!
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:39am
Nookin

Was Todd Barclay involved in that as well , Maggie? Little will be saved by the bell, yet again.
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June 25, 2017 9:35am
adamsmith1922

Little on Q&A spinning furiously re Slavegate, citing Labour’s action this week as example of his and Labour’s moral superiority. Says many students wish to stay. He was not questioned on issues of visas or electoral law. Little claims the marae was excellent and well set-up. Bias, huuge, Little speak out of both sides of mouth claims English was being devious and then is immediately economical with the truth and enters the world of alternative facts.
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June 25, 2017 9:41am
- srylands
  
  “He was not questioned on issues of visas”
  Structured Structured
  
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  June 25, 2017 9:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Did McCarten get thrown under the bus again? There’s only so many times you can have your former mates go dog on you before you fight back…
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:17am
sooty

Slave Labour Camp.
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June 25, 2017 9:48am
- Gabby
  
  Jimmy Carr’s retarded little brother Jordy really wants to push that phrase doesn’t he. Be a shame if someone felt their reputation was damaged by the implications. Still, Jordy’s not short of a bob or two, even if he’s putting up some of those poor exploited ‘fellows’.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:57am
- sam green
  
  “Perhaps @nzlabour can bring in some more ‘interns’ to go through the PM’s rubbish bins looking for evidence… & food for themselves”
  
  Spin spin spin from the lovely Jordan Williams. What a guy!
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:25am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What a helpful suggestion. They should have gone with those with ‘experience’, if the anecdotes are true though.
    The longest time served beneficiaries would be wonderful ambassadors for the Labour Party.
    
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    June 25, 2017 4:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’s all clarse, ass fissure.
    
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    June 26, 2017 6:42pm
- cmm
  
  “Slave Labour Camp.”
  
  I didn’t think Robbo was involved in this.
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:08pm
Jack5

Radio Labour’s Sunday morning programme used TV media reporter Melanie Reid to push the Barclay affair today.

Leftie Wallace Chapman seemed to be praising Reid as doing a breakthrough “investigative reporter” job. “It was huge news when it broke,” said Chapman, suggesting it was the one topic among those he associates with. (Says a lot about the politics of his milieu!)

The Barclay row was well publicised in the Southland Times months ago! This newspaper is part of the Fairfax chain and its stories were available to other media owned by Fairfax. The row was even posted in Kiwiblog’s general debate thread.

Chapman and Reid repeatedly claimed Newsroom “broke” the story.

Newsroom, a start-up web site set up by former TV folk, looks quite snappy in graphics, but, sadly, it seems to be yet another Lefty news medium.
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June 25, 2017 10:34am
- ztev
  
  Did they have the copy of the police interview with English ?
  I seem to remember the story some months back had major parts ‘missing’ including the texts from Bill to the electorate chairman, the ones that said words like:
  ‘he left a dictaphone running and recorded the office conversation’
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:55am
- Paulus
  
  The Barclay affair actually blew on his nomination whereby a group of high National Party “persons” tried to subvert the wishes of the local electorate.
  They wanted somebody else but did not get their own way from which time it has been a nasty stuff up ever since.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:22pm
dime

do labours slaves have to work sundays?
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June 25, 2017 10:40am
- Gabby
  
  Lots of folk do these days dim. Your carers don’t get the weekend off do they.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Gabby, what about the warders in your cell block? Some of them on duty, too?
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:02am
- GazzaW
  
  Presumably penalty rates apply plus time off in lieu. Andy being a staunch union man would insist on that.
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:58pm
Jack5

Pete George, who pops up on Kiwiblog from time to time through his blog is doing a great job on McCarten and the Labour slave-labour immigration/electioneering scam.

Go Pete!

His blog:

https://yournz.org/
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June 25, 2017 10:43am
Chuck Bird

I watched Q + A this morning. It certainly was a lot more balanced than The Nation. John Tamihere said while Bill English was frugal with the truth he was basically an honest person. That is from an ex Labour MP.

It looked like Little got his times mixed about when he first know about the the slave labour. He knew about it much earlier than he claimed on the show.

The fact is that both English and Little were economical with the truth.
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June 25, 2017 10:51am
- 4077th
  
  Add that piece of journalistic bias to the Nation also on the morning. 55 minutes on how Bill English is inept and not a real prime minister and barely 5 minutes on Labour’s slave labour scheme and the racist thug Harawera. Made me sick to my stomach watching the obvious bias.
  
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  June 25, 2017 10:59am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “racist thug Harawera”
    
    That describes him to a tee.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:02am
    - Gabby
      
      Te aporo doesn’t fall far from te rakau.
      
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      June 25, 2017 11:10am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Please do not bastardise the English language, there were no Maori apples, use the proper word, other cultures seem to manage it, that is why the English language is so rich.
        
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        June 25, 2017 4:54pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        That the “English” language is so rich has a reason Rachael .
        It has bastardized the language of just about every culture it has ever been exposed to.
        The number of words attributed to the original inhabitants of Great Briton number in a hand full.
        Even the word “England” commemorates a “foreign” invasion.
        
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        June 25, 2017 6:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Griff.
        
        English began as the language of the Saxons, Jutes, Frisians who invaded the place.
        
        The 100 core, or most used English words, are Anglo-Saxon.
        
        As you say, English has incorporated a multitude of vocabulary from French and Latin and then from scores of languages around the world.
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:35pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Chuck you seem to forget what you say about Muslims what a hypocrite.
      
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      June 25, 2017 11:41am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Happy you are almost as dumb as Kimbo. Muslims are not a race any more than communist or libertarians are.
        
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        June 25, 2017 4:58pm
- ztev
  
  Yes the Heralds Fran O’Sullivan put another way
  
  English ‘isnt a practiced dissembler like Key’, well that was the version that made it past the defamation lawyers
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:51am
- Chuck Bird
  
  This latest news that Barclay offered to let English hear the tape after saying on the Nation last Saturday he was not sure the tape existed. He certainly was not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
  
  Michelle Boag was trying to spin it that National MPs have conversations that cannot remember them all. That is fair enough for say an electorate MP or even a judge depending on what was said and by who. An MP will not remember ever complaint.
  
  If there had been no taping as there definitely was and one of the parties came to him an complained about the other no one could reasonably expect him to remember what was said.
  
  However, how many police interviews regarding potential criminal behaviour would English have had.
  
  It is of course different when anyone but National MPs are frugal with the truth.
  
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  June 25, 2017 5:10pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Chuck : At least Bill English doesn’t commit Politicalfraud like your beloved Leader and then lie about it. He also doesn’t frequent Public toilet like you do now that is dumb.
    
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    June 25, 2017 6:32pm
Morrissey

Frankie Boyle on the monstrous Theresa May…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-d4F1ZqxHc
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June 25, 2017 11:00am
- Jack5
  
  Political fossil Corbyn is no use as a life line for NZ Labour, Morrissey.
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:11am
  - sam green
    
    Political fossil?
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN07fnvGomo
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:17am
  - Morrissey
    
    Even for you, my bewildered friend, that was a particularly clueless and bizarre thing to say.
    
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    June 25, 2017 11:18am
    - Jack5
      
      Comment on the Independent site to a report of Corbyn’s platitudinous speech at Glastonbury:
      
      If there was ever a place for a superannuated hippy sounding off it’s Glastonbury.
      
      Corbyn’s speech all unfillable dreams: Peace … end of poverty … end of rich fuckers.
      
      Utopia, Utopia, Utopia.
      
      Britain’s Christian Socialism of a century and a half ago.
      
      A fossil on the campaign trail.
      
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      June 25, 2017 3:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Corbyn, though pushing a sort of 19th century Christian-socialist philosophy, is apparently an atheist.
        
        Corbyn is the nephew of a vicar, was educated at a Christian school, and is the son of a church-going father and an atheist mother who liked (as many atheists do) to read the Bible.
        
        Here’s an extract from a Spectator article on Corbyn:
        
        … a leader who identifies as atheist is a liability. In fact, so is a leader who is careful not to identify as atheist but basically is one. Which describes Jeremy Corbyn. He sometimes tries to sound religiously mysterious, but resembles an elephant hiding under a coat. In one interview he objected to being labelled an atheist, and said his actual position was ‘a private thing’. He went on: ‘I respect all faiths, I probably spend more time going to religious services than most people, of all types. I go to synagogues, I go to mosques, I go to temples, I go to churches, and I have many humanistic friends and I have many atheist friends. I respect them all.’
        
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        June 25, 2017 3:44pm
Gabby

‘the colour grey lost the will to live’
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June 25, 2017 11:07am
- Morrissey
  
  Indeed. The colour grey is most unhappy….
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600×315/c9/ff/74/c9ff7440175c7eb4841c7da34490e079.jpg
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:20am
Jack5

It looks like Labour has blown its chance of capitalising on voter unease about NZ’s huge rate of immigration.

Bill better get a good job sorted out for Winston – Foreign Affairs and, for when he’s in NZ, Minister for Racing. Clark had it worked out nicely.

Can you imagine Winston charming Merkel with the sparkle on his choppers, then trying the same on Mrs May.
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June 25, 2017 11:08am
- kevn
  
  Would just a Knighthood do it for Winnie?
  
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  June 25, 2017 11:22am
  - Paulus
    
    No Winnie only now wants Bill English’s head.
    He has said already, in his alcoholic filled dottage, that if the situation arises he will not deal with English whilst he remains Prime Minister.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:26pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    His parents were the ones who should have used a night hood.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:27pm
Lucia Maria

Trump accuses Obama of inaction over Russia meddling claim

President Donald Trump has accused his predecessor Barack Obama of inaction over alleged Russian interference in the US election.

Mr Trump said Mr Obama had learned well before the poll about the accusations and “did nothing”.

His comments followed an article in the Washington Post which said that Mr Obama learned last August of President Vladimir Putin’s “direct involvement”.

I wonder if Trump thinks this is a way of deflecting the Russia connection away from himself. Looks like yet another own goal to me, but then being smart is something Trump is totally incapable of.

I was curious as to the reaction on Brietbart and, well, I think they must be scrambling. They published this yesterday: Washington Post Spy Fiction: Obama Admin ‘Choked’ as Russia Committed ‘Crime of the Century’, which I had to scroll down their website to find, but now that Trump has tweeted in support of the Washington Post story, maybe their brains exploded.
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June 25, 2017 11:31am
- Nukuleka
  
  Trump tweeting in comment on The Washington Post story is scarcely ‘tweeted in support’. Are you applauding Obama for ignoring any alleged suggestion that Russia was involved in interfering in the election?
  
  Or do you just suffer from very boring Trump Derangement Syndrome?
  
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  June 25, 2017 12:05pm
  - Kimbo
    
    No, Lucia Maria is of Polish heritage, and with very good reason (some 500 years worth) the Poles get suspicious when it seems that the Russians are being allowed to run amok, and influence affairs beyond their own borders. Because invariably one of the first of those nations to feel the effect is…Poland.
    
    On last being asked about the geo-political impact of Russian-Polish tension, President Trump was heard to reply, “Poland? Great sausages. Just love the sausages”.
    
    He didn’t say that, btw, and I made it up as a joke, not as Trump-Derangement Syndrome fake news…
    
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    June 25, 2017 12:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Trump has just authorised the sale of Natural Gas to Poland- who are one of Russia’s big customers.
      That will hurt Russia and is another sign that Trump isn’t colluding with Russia.
      Lucia is just a nutter with massive TDS.
      
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      June 25, 2017 1:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “Natural gas? Love it! Love natural gas. Just perfect for grilling burritos. Which are Mexican, by the way. Love Mexican food…” 😉
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But credit where it is due, Trump’s statements are as equally vacuous, but nowhere near as nauseating as Barry’s “hoping it up” 😉
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:19pm
      - ztev
        
        Rubbish . Trump didnt authorise anything. Poland started the project some years back – you would have to build the shipping terminals. Previous shipments from Qatar.
        Wasnt so long ago Poland was screaming blue murder when Germany and Russia built a pipeline in the baltic sea to by pass Poland. They would be missing out on hefty transit fees to pipe to Western Europe.
        The bullshit
        
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        June 25, 2017 1:54pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        ztev,
        
        It wasn’t the transit fees that Poland was concerned about regarding that pipeline, it was Russia’s ability and likelihood to weaponise their gas deliveries if Poland didn’t behave. Hard to do if transit to the rest of Europe is required, but much, much easier if you bypass the pesky nation.
        
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        June 25, 2017 2:23pm
      - cha
        
        # Lucia Maria
        
        They’re probably taking advantage of the removal of Polish tariffs, too.
        
        http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL8N12H06D20151017
        
        http://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/knowledge/publications/144847/price-deregulation-and-the-removal-of-the-tariff-obligation-in-the-polish-gas-market
        
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        June 25, 2017 2:40pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Nukuleka,
    
    Looks like support to me. Trump normally tweets that any Russian connection or interference is “fake news”, while as the tweet in question treats the WP article as real news. That kind of implies support, don’t you think?
    
    Are you applauding Obama for ignoring any alleged suggestion that Russia was involved in interfering in the election?
    
    Er, no.
    
    Or do you just suffer from very boring Trump Derangement Syndrome?
    
    As opposed to Trump Debasement Syndrome? That’s even more boring and requires some level of lobotomy.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Kind of implies support”
      Snigger.
      Guilty, guilty guilty
      Impeach 45!
      
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      June 25, 2017 1:07pm
      - jonar
        
        For goodness sake. You can’t see the problem with someone claiming something is fake news and then later asking why someone didn’t do something about that same fake thing?
        
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        June 25, 2017 2:54pm
    - Scott
      
      The story that CNN and the rest of the mainstream media have been pushing for months now is that Trump is a manchurian candidate who is a traitor to his country and was in league with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton.
      Lucia is a bright intelligent person and I don’t believe she believes that utterly preposterously false narrative.
      In fact I don’t think anyone believes it. Not the democrats, not CNN, nobody. The sole purpose of the false narrative is to unbalance the Trump regime and lay the groundwork for Trump’s impeachment when and if the democrats win the senate in 2018.
      It’s the very definition of “fake news”.
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Lucia, you might welcome a warm relationship between America and Russia if a fully re-armed Germany asks Warsaw: Please return Silesia, Eastern Brandenburg and the slice you have of Pomerania.
      
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      June 25, 2017 4:07pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Jack,
        
        The Germans have taken on the lessons of WWII and mad rulers – the Russians haven’t.
        
        Ergo. Poland has far more to fear from Russia than Germany over the next 50 years, at least.
        
        And the Germans have their land empire, ie the EU, so have no need to demand territory back. While as Trump and Russia both would prefer the EU fall apart.
        
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        June 25, 2017 6:35pm
- Gruffydd
  
  The TDS* suffering loons formally alternating between there was no Russian interference and the leaks about it set up by the Obama administration are a crime .
  Now the Orange one has gibbered another pile of contradictory shite they all believe that as well.
  
  *Monkeys that yammer in tune to their great Orange leader .
  Who changes his bullshite depending on who he last talked to and what is convenient.
  
  How long before enough wake up for the impeachment to proceed ?
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:50pm
Left Right and Centre

Real time whining – listened to some ignorant young twat on RNZ – I’m sure I heard the sailing described as 4-1 in the ‘best of seven’ series. Er – they’d have won it in that case.

Nek minute – I hear ‘Arton Senna’ Who the hell is Arton Senna ? Art-on – art to rhyme with cart and on to rhyme with con. Ignorant dumbarse shithead !!
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June 25, 2017 12:16pm
- MCos
  
  On TV1 news the other night the newsreader said that an Australian senator breastfed her baby in parliament while passing a motion.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:51pm
- Pateke
  
  LRC Scratchy old bastard, but nice to see some of us are still alive.
  
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  June 25, 2017 5:12pm
DifferentPerspective

Islamisation of NZ

Another nail in the coffin!

Preying on the weak and the stupid as always!

If you have kids, start working up your apologies for when they ask you “WTF were your generation thinking?”.

Why would you want to impose what Europe is experiencing now on your kids and grandkids?
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June 25, 2017 1:00pm
- MCos
  
  You’re on to something there Diff. Specs.
  Next year SBW will demand total suspension of all Super rugby during Ramadan.
  We should immediately replace him with Bishop Brian & rename our Americans Cup boat HMS Glorivale Team NZ!
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:06pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It starts with a trickle. But you keep on with the Ostrich approach – like the man who fell off the Empire State building saying “so far, so good” all the way down.
    
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    June 25, 2017 3:30pm
Left Right and Centre

Anyone else seen this one ?
Snowflake young woman student (who else ?) takes Climate Change Minister Paula Bennett to court – claiming NZ isn’t doing enough about emissions targets.

There’s a climate change minister ?
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June 25, 2017 1:05pm
- Paulus
  
  A pretty looking very young Law student from Waikato “University”.
  I assume Greenpeace is financing this – no, they are only a non tax paying political charity so cannot be behind this.
  Isn’t that dreadful Margaret Wilson head of the Law “faculty” at this so called University ?
  Wasn’t Bryan Gould head honcho so that could be part of the answer.
  
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  June 25, 2017 1:31pm
  - ztev
    
    No shes not, just an ordinary professor, before parliament she taught at Auckland law school so thats her profession.
    
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    June 25, 2017 1:47pm
    - stigie
      
      What do you call an ordinary professor ztrev ?
      
      A know it all academic perhaps, she sounds like one !~
      
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      June 25, 2017 2:07pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I didn’t find her so, despite our politics differing.
        
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        June 25, 2017 5:53pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Waikato law school, where correct feelings rather than argument will get you an A.
    
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    June 25, 2017 2:44pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Unfair
      
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      June 25, 2017 5:54pm
    - itstricky
      
      You wouldn’t be talking about the University that jumped up 100 places (not really, but it was a fair old jump) in the recent worldwide ranking thingo they do, would you?
      
      Nah, of course not, that would make your prejudices yesterday’s news! We wouldn’t want you being behind the times ‘n’ all.
      
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      June 25, 2017 6:47pm
      - itstricky
        
        Well blow me down. It jumped more than 100 places. Literally.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11871580
        
        Into the top 2% “worldwide”
        
        (I put that “worldwide” in quotes, for you Paulus, seeing as you’re fond of “University”)
        
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        June 25, 2017 6:48pm
      - itstricky
        
        Why would someone down tick and then not comment? Surely you should be taking it up with the The Times and Quacquarelli Symonds Ltd, not me…
        
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        June 25, 2017 7:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky asks:“Why would someone down tick and then not comment?”
        
        Sometimes they don’t want to engage with a troll, Itstricky.
        
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        June 25, 2017 8:37pm
      - sam green
        
        In Jack5’s eyes a troll is someone he disagrees with.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:06pm
      - itstricky
        
        Yep. Post an article about International rankings of Universities and get called a troll.
        
        Go figure, another night of quality debate on KB.
        
        I guess I found the downticker. Must have got upset that I questioned his aural abilities.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky, Waikato (Quasi) University is now up to 292nd place.
        
        But I’ve joined the down-tickers to please you.
        
        As for “aural” abilities: nothing wrong with my lugs.
        
        Compare Marvelly at the link below singing La Vie En Rose with the second link to Piaf. (At least two of Marvelly’s renditions of this song are on Youtube. This is the better one):
        
        Marvelly:
        https://youtu.be/HCX-jj4izgo
        
        Piaf:
        https://youtu.be/0feNVUwQA8U
        
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        June 25, 2017 11:11pm
Harriet

Hypocrisy and diversity.

If you think rural NZ’s homophobic and sexist now, wait till its population is as multicultural as Auckland’s. 😎

“…… One protester’s comment summed up the flimsiness of the fury. ‘I didn’t know who the DUP were, I had to Google them,’ he said. From Googling a party to railing against it in the space of minutes: the modern mindset summed up.

Just to spell it out even more plainly, last year YouGov polled Britons in general on their attitudes to the aforementioned sodomites. Seventeen per cent thought homosexuality was “morally wrong”. If that sounds unnervingly high to you, what’s the reason? Over-sampling in East Belfast? A few rural backwaters not quite up to speed on the new gayer-than-thou Britain? No. In most parts of the country about 15 per cent declined to get with the beat. But in diverse, multicultural London, 29 per cent of the population regarded homosexuality as “morally wrong”.
So all those ninnies in the streets of London protesting 300,000 Ulster haters they’d never heard of twenty minutes earlier are surrounded by two-and-a-half million haters every day of their lives – in the Tube, in the restaurants, in the shops and offices of their supposedly vibrant, progressive metropolis.

Now why do you think that is? Could it possibly be connected to the fact that London is more “diverse”? And you can’t help noticing, sauntering around, say, Tower Hamlets, that the more “diverse” the community gets the fewer gays you see, and uncovered women, at least after dusk and walking about unaccompanied. It’s not quite the “Gay-Free Zone” promised by the posters of the Sharia Patrols, but it’s getting there…..” – Mark Steyn.
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June 25, 2017 1:32pm
- MCos
  
  What’s the ethnic spread of London got to do with Auckland?
  Apart from pakehas & Indians there is little similarity.
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:22pm
- Gruffydd
  
  So harry.
  Immigrating into some theocratic Muslim shitehole would be up the right alley for you and a few other homo obsessed repressed conservonutters who frequent this blog .
  We have known this for a while .
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cf/e6/89/cfe689d5a763d87cdfceba01e1d04dea.jpg
  Thanks for the conformation
  
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  June 25, 2017 2:37pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”up the right alley for you and a few other homo obsessed repressed conservonutters who frequent this blog”….
    
    Good thinking Griff. There would be a small problem for the unscrewed over the change of mythical deity but it shouldn’t present any insurmountable problems. After all wasting one’s life one prayer at a time is the name of the game.
    
    We could form an emigration service company. Something like “U Mecca me Leave” perhaps? 🙂
    
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    June 25, 2017 3:24pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      it is the same silly sky fairy nasska
      Just a different prophet.
      
      I see jack5 is gibbering about the weather
      I know its hard Jacky boy.
      Global warming .
      Up here in the north its 16C and mild .
      
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      June 25, 2017 5:02pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        More to the point jacky.
        The bbq is fired up and I am burning some lamb.
        With peppers reduce on the char grill ,onions caramelizing and courgettes heating to al dente. Sprig of Rosemary on the lamb and a drizzle of Olive oil for the veg.
        The sun went behind a pesky cloud or we would still be watching the colors reflected on the islands at sun set .
        
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        June 25, 2017 5:32pm
      - Jack5
        
        Griff … “The bbq is fired up and I am burning some lamb…”
        
        Oh, the CO2! The atmosphere. The weather.
        
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        June 25, 2017 7:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Gidday Griff. Enjoying the spell of cold weather?
    
    This bloody global warming…
    
    Have you bought land in Southland yet for the banana and pineapple plantations?
    
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    June 25, 2017 3:48pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Hic
      Drunk on a Sunday night….
      Poor jacky he’s got problems.
      Jah know we like to help mate .
      These people seem to help the spiritually inclined .
      http://www.aa.org.nz/
      
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      June 25, 2017 10:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      Griff resorts to form.
      
      The old marijuana champion labels those he disagrees with as pissheads, or worse. I think he called one anonymous Kiwiblog a wife-beater, and implied another was a paedophile.
      
      And I thought it was only some boozers who got nasty in their “cups”.
      
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      June 25, 2017 11:18pm
cha

Best the House of Saud ups the protection money.

http://time.com/4831625/mecca-attack-bombing-grand-mosque-ramadan/?
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June 25, 2017 2:14pm
Swifty

Turkey to remove the teaching of evolution from schools and textbooks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4633208/Turkey-stop-teaching-evolution-theory-high-schools-education-board.html

…because it is too hard for the students to understand.

Liars.
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June 25, 2017 3:09pm
- sam green
  
  Happening in ‘Murica since ages ago:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/feb/24/usa.schools
  
  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/09/texas_science_textbooks_creationists_try_to_remove_evolution_from_classrooms.html
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-207079/Evolution-banned-US-schools.html
  
  And the rest – go do some research.
  
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  June 25, 2017 6:45pm
Jack5

Radio NZ on its web site this afternoon continues to hammer the Barclay resignation and downplay, almost ignore, the great Labour slave-labour scam.

How the hell did National consent to lift Radio NZ’s funding from taxpayers? It must have been a sop to the Maori Party, and linked to the Radio NZ deal to Maorify Radio NZ programming and support the 19 Maori radio stations already subsidised by taxpayers.

Could National really be any worse having NZ First, rather than the 2 per cent Maori Party, as coalition partner?

The most interesting thing about the Radio NZ-Maori Radio deal is that Radio NZ listeners now get to hear all these Ho’s.
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June 25, 2017 3:59pm
- niggly
  
  Worse? Yep, Winston announces today “New Zealand First will get rid of the student loan for Kiwi students staying and working here in NZ after they finish their studies.”
  
  I guess that will see the likes of the B.A. degree gain in popularity again!
  
  No doubt LabourGreens will out-bribe NZF as a result, lest they worry they loose the youth vote!
  
  Meanwhile the poor old taxpayers pockets are gonna get fleeced bigtime!
  
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  June 25, 2017 5:40pm
nasska

….”Could National really be any worse having NZ First”….

National Party supporters might find their party’s hearing improved a tad but the Nat MPs wouldn’t like the arrangement.

….”rather than the 2 per cent Maori Party”….

Then the views of ordinary National supporters would be safely ignored but the MPs will continue in their happy place.
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June 25, 2017 4:14pm
- Gruffydd
  
  ”Could National really be any worse having NZ first”?
  
  I am afraid that anyone who votes for the whinny deserves the upmost contempt.
  The piss pickled old soak has proven his true colors.
  Anything as long as I get a flash limo and a piss account
  Almost , I do say almost. as bad as those who voted for mr Colon Craigs blend of creepy coservonuttery.
  Gooey love poem anyone?
  
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  June 25, 2017 6:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    Griff, you were a man of ambition, you would join NZ First and graft your way up in the organisation ready to seek Winnie’s job when he decides to call it a day, probably fairly soon.
    
    Your very own party: NZ Griffits, True Believers in Global Warming and the Benefits of Legal Marijuana.
    
    Go, Griff!
    
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    June 25, 2017 7:40pm
Jack5

While we’re rounding up the leftist mob shouting about Barclay’s resignation, let’s not overlook Marvellous Nelly (Lizzie Minnelly) in her Hooerald column today.

You mightn’t get far beyond her brazen statement: “If there’s one thing Kiwis can’t stand, it’s arrogance. ”

Here’s the conclusion of this warbling airhead’s column, and it just might cement your two votes into National:

It all adds up to a bad run for an administration trying to make a case to represent New Zealanders for years 10, 11 and 12, fuelled by a series of self-inflicted wounds.

Arrogance, ineptitude, callousness or poor judgment? Come September, it’ll be up to us to decide.

By the way, did Marvellous Nelly sing the national anthem at last night’s test? And if she did, did she get through it without a hitch this time?
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June 25, 2017 4:15pm
- Manolo
  
  Fine example of being famous for being vacuous.
  
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  June 25, 2017 4:24pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  No.
  Moses wotsisname from the the trio Sole Mio
  sung it, and did a fantastic job.
  
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  June 25, 2017 5:37pm
- itstricky
  
  Lizzie Minnelly
  
  By the way, did Marvellous Nelly sing the national anthem at last night’s test? And if she did, did she get through it without a hitch this time?
  
  Still, I imagine she can probably sing 10x better than you could in your wildest dreams. Pro tip: choosing to try to knock someone down by mocking a completely unrelated attribute of their personality does absolutely nothing for your argument.
  
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  June 25, 2017 6:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Itstricky, are you Lizzie, or are you just Lizzie’s brother or sister?
    
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    June 25, 2017 7:37pm
    - itstricky
      
      Can you sing?
      
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      June 25, 2017 7:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        You don’t have to be able to lay an egg to tell a rotten one, Itstricky.
        
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        June 25, 2017 8:34pm
      - itstricky
        
        Glad we got that one sorted out with a truthful answer.
        
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        June 25, 2017 10:08pm
Manolo

Even our own stephieboy is sobbing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-jon-ossoff-democrats.html
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June 25, 2017 4:28pm
Captain Mainwaring

Bill, oh Bill, what are you doing to us?
Another day, and yet another version of Barclaygate.
What tomorrow? Are you going to admit that you planted the recording device?
As a long-term committed Nat I am now fearful of where this is all going to end up on Sept. 23.
You know that the lefty MSM has already moved on from Slavelabour.
Starting to look as if you need a miracle.
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June 25, 2017 7:06pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Buck up old chap.
  The nats have enough votes to tell whinny to pay for his own piss and settle for a fleet economy box.
  He would last a few months at best playing love bunnys with the greens.
  Imagine Delahunty the bone caring and the fancy well filled jacket sitting down to korero with the pinstripe soak.
  Labour and whinny are erewhon close to having a majority without the weirdos.
  English will be gone soon after the election and all the shite will go with him.
  Another… two… terms.
  
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  June 25, 2017 7:48pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”English will be gone soon after the election and all the shite will go with him”….
    
    Especially if he takes Smith & Woodhouse with him. Then National will be worthy of another couple of terms.
    
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    June 25, 2017 8:00pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Don’t know about you naskka.
      The thought of a zombie munching godbothering.
      Conservative leading our fair country for any length of time makes me shudder.
      It will be only a matter of time before we will see their sticky little beaks poking into the bedrooms of consenting adults .
      Spousal rape, locking up the poor sods who find bums attractive and knitting needle abortions was the policy of the nats catholic faction only a few decades back.
      
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      June 25, 2017 8:25pm
      - nasska
        
        I tend to agree Griff. The price of freedom is vigilance especially when meddlesome Godnutters are anywhere near the levers of power.
        
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        June 25, 2017 8:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

Only in Pakistan.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/94065462/overturned-oil-tanker-explodes-killing-122-in-pakistan

Or maybe also in Nigeria, Mozambique, Democratic Republic of Congo, or shortly Venezuela.
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June 25, 2017 7:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Idiots. Same thing happened in Nigeria a few years ago.
  
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  June 25, 2017 8:24pm
- Gabby
  
  Vile professor.
  
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  June 26, 2017 7:52pm
Manolo

Anything is possible:
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/
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