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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/jun/23/exxon-stephen-hawking-greens-and-reagans-advisors-agree-on-a-carbon-tax#comment-100864599
Nearly everyone other than science-denying Republican Party leaders understands the importance of a carbon pollution tax

ExxonMobil, Stephen Hawking, the Nature Conservancy, and Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of Treasury and Chief of Staff … all have signed on as founding members to the Climate Leadership Council, which has met with the White House to propose a revenue-neutral carbon tax policy.

The group started with impeccable conservative credentials, bringing on cabinet members from the last three Republican presidential administrations (Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, and George W Bush): two former Secretaries of State, two former Secretaries of Treasury, and two former chairmen of the President’s Council of Economic Advisors. It was founded by Ted Halstead, who explained the group’s proposed policy in a TED talk: https://youtu.be/ta2Wvy9F_gA

Some of the world’s brightest scientific and economic minds have since become founding members, including Stephen Hawking, Steven Chu, Martin Feldstein, and Lawrence Summers. So have ExxonMobil, BP, and Shell. But it’s not just the oil industry joining the call for a carbon tax; GM, Proctor & Gamble, Pepsico, and Johnson & Johnson are among the major companies signing on. As have environmental groups like the Nature Conservancy.

If ExxonMobil, Stephen Hawking, the Nature Conservancy, James Baker, and George Shultz can all agree on a policy solution to help stop climate change, maybe there’s still hope.

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/republicans-offer-to-tax-carbon-emissions/
Getting the new administration and prominent congressional Republicans on board with any carbon-reduction plan would be something of a coup. The revenue neutrality of this plan, though, where theoretically the government does not grow in size at all, could break through. “It has so few moving parts,” Komanoff [World Resources Institute] said. “It’s quite elegant, and I think it could be politically palatable.”

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2017/06/why-global-emissions-must-peak-by-2020/
Why global emissions must peak by 2020
2 June 2017. Stefan Rahmstorf and Anders Levermann

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClimate
The members of RealClimate are:[9]
Gavin Schmidt
Michael E. Mann
Eric Steig
Raymond S. Bradley
Stefan Rahmstorf
Rasmus Emil Benestad
Caspar Ammann
Thibault de Garidel
David Archer
Raymond Pierrehumbert – recently moved to Oxford as professor of Physics.

No rational person would prefer to get opinions on science from liar-denier sites like tricksfor, twatts, jopavlova. Not a scientist amongst them.
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June 24, 2017 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  HI ho, Hi ho, thirty downticks and away we go!
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:08am
  - Biscuit
    
    I see (2.05 pm) that WoO’s latest diatribe has ‘attracted’ 76 downticks.
    
    I’m a relative newbie here but can any Kiwiblogger tell me what the RECORD is for numbers of downticks on any one post?
    
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    June 24, 2017 2:07pm
- JIV
  
  The conundrum is whether to engage in debate with a close-minded idiot who does nothing but spout falsehoods or just log in and down tick the propaganda. There’s fun in both options but I’d love an intelligent debate one day.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:15am
  - RalphT
    
    I think it’s got past the stage of engaging in serious debate and the sensible course of action is to downtick and move on.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      I only wish the KB consensus on this was reflected in any kind of integrity or spine among the National elected representatives and party establishment.
      
      The whole alarmist racket has been given added mileage by unprincipled, treasonous “centre right” political establishments all over the world.
      
      It is really these politicians and party establishments that need to be getting the message, the alarmists themselves are beyond reasoning with. It is a disgrace to our civilisation that they have been given so much influence and power, and that there is no effective political opposition to them thanks to Vichy-ite centre-right political establishments. The Left is just doing what it always has. It is the “centre right” establishment who deserve our strongest censure on this and many other policy areas.
      
      The KB consensus against CAGW alarmists is ironically matched by a consensus that St John Key, the main cause of National sellout, is beyond criticism.
      
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      June 24, 2017 8:45am
      - kowtow
        
        You’re right about the so called “centre right”. When displaying your national flag or colours is seen to controversial , then you know they’ve really lost the plot.
        
        “It is unusual for political parties to use the flag so overtly in a country still haunted by its Nazi past, and Mrs Merkel has herself chided party colleagues for waving the flag in previous elections.”
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/23/merkel-launches-election-campaign-national-colours-reclaim-flag/
        
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        June 24, 2017 9:29am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “The sensible course of action is to downtick and move on.”
      
      Outstanding!
      I want that on my morning coffee mug!
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:49am
  - Peter
    
    There is no serious debate to be had with warmist zealots.
    
    They are mostly post-modernist Marxists and therefore don’t believe in logic, facts or truth. Their only aim is to get you to submit to their worldview.
    
    Down tick.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:32am
    - Gruffydd
      
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      Yip the warmist are post-modernist Marxists and therefore don’t believe in logic, facts or truth including these Marxist zealots.
      
      List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
      (Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)
      
      Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
      Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
      Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
      Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
      Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
      Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
      Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
      Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
      Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
      Académie des Sciences, France
      Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
      Academy of Athens
      Academy of Science of Mozambique
      Academy of Science of South Africa
      Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
      Academy of Sciences Malaysia
      Academy of Sciences of Moldova
      Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
      Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
      Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
      Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
      Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
      Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
      African Academy of Sciences
      Albanian Academy of Sciences
      Amazon Environmental Research Institute
      American Academy of Pediatrics
      American Anthropological Association
      American Association for the Advancement of Science
      American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
      American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
      American Astronomical Society
      American Chemical Society
      American College of Preventive Medicine
      American Fisheries Society
      American Geophysical Union
      American Institute of Biological Sciences
      American Institute of Physics
      American Meteorological Society
      American Physical Society
      American Public Health Association
      American Quaternary Association
      American Society for Microbiology
      American Society of Agronomy
      American Society of Civil Engineers
      American Society of Plant Biologists
      American Statistical Association
      Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
      Australian Academy of Science
      Australian Bureau of Meteorology
      Australian Coral Reef Society
      Australian Institute of Marine Science
      Australian Institute of Physics
      Australian Marine Sciences Association
      Australian Medical Association
      Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
      Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
      Botanical Society of America
      Brazilian Academy of Sciences
      British Antarctic Survey
      Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
      California Academy of Sciences
      Cameroon Academy of Sciences
      Canadian Association of Physicists
      Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
      Canadian Geophysical Union
      Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
      Canadian Society of Soil Science
      Canadian Society of Zoologists
      Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
      Center for International Forestry Research
      Chinese Academy of Sciences
      Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
      Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
      Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
      Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
      Crop Science Society of America
      Cuban Academy of Sciences
      Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
      Ecological Society of America
      Ecological Society of Australia
      Environmental Protection Agency
      European Academy of Sciences and Arts
      European Federation of Geologists
      European Geosciences Union
      European Physical Society
      European Science Foundation
      Federation of American Scientists
      French Academy of Sciences
      Geological Society of America
      Geological Society of Australia
      Geological Society of London
      Georgian Academy of Sciences
      German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
      Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
      Indian National Science Academy
      Indonesian Academy of Sciences
      Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
      Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
      Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
      Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
      InterAcademy Council
      International Alliance of Research Universities
      International Arctic Science Committee
      International Association for Great Lakes Research
      International Council for Science
      International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
      International Research Institute for Climate and Society
      International Union for Quaternary Research
      International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
      International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
      Islamic World Academy of Sciences
      Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
      Kenya National Academy of Sciences
      Korean Academy of Science and Technology
      Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
      l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
      Latin American Academy of Sciences
      Latvian Academy of Sciences
      Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
      Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
      Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
      Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
      National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
      National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
      National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
      National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
      National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
      National Aeronautics and Space Administration
      National Association of Geoscience Teachers
      National Association of State Foresters
      National Center for Atmospheric Research
      National Council of Engineers Australia
      National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
      National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
      National Research Council
      National Science Foundation
      Natural England
      Natural Environment Research Council, UK
      Natural Science Collections Alliance
      Network of African Science Academies
      New York Academy of Sciences
      Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
      Nigerian Academy of Sciences
      Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
      Oklahoma Climatological Survey
      Organization of Biological Field Stations
      Pakistan Academy of Sciences
      Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
      Pew Center on Global Climate Change
      Polish Academy of Sciences
      Romanian Academy
      Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
      Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
      Royal Astronomical Society, UK
      Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
      Royal Irish Academy
      Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
      Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
      Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
      Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
      Royal Society of Canada
      Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
      Royal Society of the United Kingdom
      Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
      Russian Academy of Sciences
      Science and Technology, Australia
      Science Council of Japan
      Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
      Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
      Scripps Institution of Oceanography
      Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
      Slovak Academy of Sciences
      Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
      Society for Ecological Restoration International
      Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
      Society of American Foresters
      Society of Biology (UK)
      Society of Systematic Biologists
      Soil Science Society of America
      Sudan Academy of Sciences
      Sudanese National Academy of Science
      Tanzania Academy of Sciences
      The Wildlife Society (international)
      Turkish Academy of Sciences
      Uganda National Academy of Sciences
      Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
      United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
      University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
      Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
      Woods Hole Research Center
      World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
      World Federation of Public Health Associations
      World Forestry Congress
      World Health Organization
      World Meteorological Organization
      Zambia Academy of Sciences
      Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
      
      The other more probable alternative .
      You are a raving loonytune who needs to adjust his tinfoil hat.
      
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      June 24, 2017 8:47am
      - ross411
        
        You could chuck the Dingdong Claptrap Academy of Science in there, and no-one would notice. Which kind of speaks to the relevance of the list.
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:52am
      - CJames
        
        I see the unlamented Griff is back, commenting under a new name. But his comments are just as inane.
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:56am
      - Peter
        
        I don’t class them as zealots.
        
        I’m referring to the political activists corrupting climate science to further their political agenda. Hence the use of ‘denier’ and other transparent bullying tactics.
        
        The far left zealots are lying scum and rightly held in contempt.
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:57am
      - Gruffydd
        
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        ROFL
        Create a straw man then masterfully demolishes it
        Impressive .
        You do know what logic is?
        
        Its the conspiracy nonsense that makes me laugh the most.
        
        Its a global conspiracy of MARXIST infiltrators who have TAKEN OVER THE SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT .
        
        sorry for the all caps.
        It goes with the loony tune nonsense you guys spurt.
        
        You can not deny physics you wackos.
        
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        June 24, 2017 9:05am
      - freemark
        
        Jeez Griff, I hope some of those organisations are more credible than the last one 🙂
        Thought of you in Amsterdam last week, not just at the CoffeeShop. Tesla Taxi’s, internal combustion canal boats being banned – and a few hippies proclaiming “the end is nigh”
        Hope you’re well anyway.
        
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        June 24, 2017 9:24am
      - Peter
        
        Straw man, Griff.
        
        World is likely warming, man plays a part, mans role appears overstated, climate system not well understood.
        
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        June 24, 2017 9:56am
      - Gruffydd
        
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        Down tick and it disappears how brave of you
        
        List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
        
        (Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)
        
        Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
        Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
        Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
        Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
        Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
        Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
        Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
        Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
        Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
        Académie des Sciences, France
        Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
        Academy of Athens
        Academy of Science of Mozambique
        Academy of Science of South Africa
        Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
        Academy of Sciences Malaysia
        Academy of Sciences of Moldova
        Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
        Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
        Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
        Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
        Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
        Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
        African Academy of Sciences
        Albanian Academy of Sciences
        Amazon Environmental Research Institute
        American Academy of Pediatrics
        American Anthropological Association
        American Association for the Advancement of Science
        American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
        American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
        American Astronomical Society
        American Chemical Society
        American College of Preventive Medicine
        American Fisheries Society
        American Geophysical Union
        American Institute of Biological Sciences
        American Institute of Physics
        American Meteorological Society
        American Physical Society
        American Public Health Association
        American Quaternary Association
        American Society for Microbiology
        American Society of Agronomy
        American Society of Civil Engineers
        American Society of Plant Biologists
        American Statistical Association
        Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
        Australian Academy of Science
        Australian Bureau of Meteorology
        Australian Coral Reef Society
        Australian Institute of Marine Science
        Australian Institute of Physics
        Australian Marine Sciences Association
        Australian Medical Association
        Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
        Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
        Botanical Society of America
        Brazilian Academy of Sciences
        British Antarctic Survey
        Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
        California Academy of Sciences
        Cameroon Academy of Sciences
        Canadian Association of Physicists
        Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
        Canadian Geophysical Union
        Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
        Canadian Society of Soil Science
        Canadian Society of Zoologists
        Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
        Center for International Forestry Research
        Chinese Academy of Sciences
        Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
        Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
        Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
        Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Crop Science Society of America
        Cuban Academy of Sciences
        Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
        Ecological Society of America
        Ecological Society of Australia
        Environmental Protection Agency
        European Academy of Sciences and Arts
        European Federation of Geologists
        European Geosciences Union
        European Physical Society
        European Science Foundation
        Federation of American Scientists
        French Academy of Sciences
        Geological Society of America
        Geological Society of Australia
        Geological Society of London
        Georgian Academy of Sciences
        German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
        Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Indian National Science Academy
        Indonesian Academy of Sciences
        Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
        Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
        Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
        Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
        InterAcademy Council
        International Alliance of Research Universities
        International Arctic Science Committee
        International Association for Great Lakes Research
        International Council for Science
        International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
        International Research Institute for Climate and Society
        International Union for Quaternary Research
        International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
        International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
        Islamic World Academy of Sciences
        Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
        Kenya National Academy of Sciences
        Korean Academy of Science and Technology
        Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
        l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
        Latin American Academy of Sciences
        Latvian Academy of Sciences
        Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
        Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
        Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
        Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
        National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
        National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
        National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
        National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
        National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
        National Aeronautics and Space Administration
        National Association of Geoscience Teachers
        National Association of State Foresters
        National Center for Atmospheric Research
        National Council of Engineers Australia
        National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
        National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
        National Research Council
        National Science Foundation
        Natural England
        Natural Environment Research Council, UK
        Natural Science Collections Alliance
        Network of African Science Academies
        New York Academy of Sciences
        Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
        Nigerian Academy of Sciences
        Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
        Oklahoma Climatological Survey
        Organization of Biological Field Stations
        Pakistan Academy of Sciences
        Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
        Pew Center on Global Climate Change
        Polish Academy of Sciences
        Romanian Academy
        Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
        Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
        Royal Astronomical Society, UK
        Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
        Royal Irish Academy
        Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
        Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
        Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
        Royal Society of Canada
        Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
        Royal Society of the United Kingdom
        Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
        Russian Academy of Sciences
        Science and Technology, Australia
        Science Council of Japan
        Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
        Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
        Scripps Institution of Oceanography
        Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
        Slovak Academy of Sciences
        Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
        Society for Ecological Restoration International
        Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
        Society of American Foresters
        Society of Biology (UK)
        Society of Systematic Biologists
        Soil Science Society of America
        Sudan Academy of Sciences
        Sudanese National Academy of Science
        Tanzania Academy of Sciences
        The Wildlife Society (international)
        Turkish Academy of Sciences
        Uganda National Academy of Sciences
        Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
        United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
        University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
        Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
        Woods Hole Research Center
        World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
        World Federation of Public Health Associations
        World Forestry Congress
        World Health Organization
        World Meteorological Organization
        Zambia Academy of Sciences
        Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
        
        Why not some reasoned debate ?
        You cannot reason someone out of something he or was not reasoned into.
        Jonathan Swift
        
        And no smegwits having a position at odds with the worlds scientific establishment is not supportable as reasoned .
        
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        June 24, 2017 10:28am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Gosh, grief’s 10:28 was 5 full scrolls. That’s gotta be up there.
        
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        June 24, 2017 11:42am
      - Gruffydd
        
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        Down tick and it disappears how brave of you
        
        List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
        
        (Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)
        
        Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
        Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
        Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
        Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
        Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
        Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
        Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
        Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
        Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
        Académie des Sciences, France
        Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
        Academy of Athens
        Academy of Science of Mozambique
        Academy of Science of South Africa
        Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
        Academy of Sciences Malaysia
        Academy of Sciences of Moldova
        Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
        Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
        Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
        Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
        Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
        Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
        African Academy of Sciences
        Albanian Academy of Sciences
        Amazon Environmental Research Institute
        American Academy of Pediatrics
        American Anthropological Association
        American Association for the Advancement of Science
        American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
        American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
        American Astronomical Society
        American Chemical Society
        American College of Preventive Medicine
        American Fisheries Society
        American Geophysical Union
        American Institute of Biological Sciences
        American Institute of Physics
        American Meteorological Society
        American Physical Society
        American Public Health Association
        American Quaternary Association
        American Society for Microbiology
        American Society of Agronomy
        American Society of Civil Engineers
        American Society of Plant Biologists
        American Statistical Association
        Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
        Australian Academy of Science
        Australian Bureau of Meteorology
        Australian Coral Reef Society
        Australian Institute of Marine Science
        Australian Institute of Physics
        Australian Marine Sciences Association
        Australian Medical Association
        Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
        Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
        Botanical Society of America
        Brazilian Academy of Sciences
        British Antarctic Survey
        Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
        California Academy of Sciences
        Cameroon Academy of Sciences
        Canadian Association of Physicists
        Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
        Canadian Geophysical Union
        Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
        Canadian Society of Soil Science
        Canadian Society of Zoologists
        Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
        Center for International Forestry Research
        Chinese Academy of Sciences
        Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
        Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
        Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
        Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Crop Science Society of America
        Cuban Academy of Sciences
        Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
        Ecological Society of America
        Ecological Society of Australia
        Environmental Protection Agency
        European Academy of Sciences and Arts
        European Federation of Geologists
        European Geosciences Union
        European Physical Society
        European Science Foundation
        Federation of American Scientists
        French Academy of Sciences
        Geological Society of America
        Geological Society of Australia
        Geological Society of London
        Georgian Academy of Sciences
        German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
        Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Indian National Science Academy
        Indonesian Academy of Sciences
        Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
        Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
        Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
        Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
        InterAcademy Council
        International Alliance of Research Universities
        International Arctic Science Committee
        International Association for Great Lakes Research
        International Council for Science
        International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
        International Research Institute for Climate and Society
        International Union for Quaternary Research
        International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
        International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
        Islamic World Academy of Sciences
        Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
        Kenya National Academy of Sciences
        Korean Academy of Science and Technology
        Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
        l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
        Latin American Academy of Sciences
        Latvian Academy of Sciences
        Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
        Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
        Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
        Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
        National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
        National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
        National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
        National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
        National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
        National Aeronautics and Space Administration
        National Association of Geoscience Teachers
        National Association of State Foresters
        National Center for Atmospheric Research
        National Council of Engineers Australia
        National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
        National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
        National Research Council
        National Science Foundation
        Natural England
        Natural Environment Research Council, UK
        Natural Science Collections Alliance
        Network of African Science Academies
        New York Academy of Sciences
        Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
        Nigerian Academy of Sciences
        Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
        Oklahoma Climatological Survey
        Organization of Biological Field Stations
        Pakistan Academy of Sciences
        Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
        Pew Center on Global Climate Change
        Polish Academy of Sciences
        Romanian Academy
        Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
        Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
        Royal Astronomical Society, UK
        Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
        Royal Irish Academy
        Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
        Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
        Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
        Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
        Royal Society of Canada
        Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
        Royal Society of the United Kingdom
        Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
        Russian Academy of Sciences
        Science and Technology, Australia
        Science Council of Japan
        Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
        Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
        Scripps Institution of Oceanography
        Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
        Slovak Academy of Sciences
        Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
        Society for Ecological Restoration International
        Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
        Society of American Foresters
        Society of Biology (UK)
        Society of Systematic Biologists
        Soil Science Society of America
        Sudan Academy of Sciences
        Sudanese National Academy of Science
        Tanzania Academy of Sciences
        The Wildlife Society (international)
        Turkish Academy of Sciences
        Uganda National Academy of Sciences
        Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
        United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
        University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
        Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
        Woods Hole Research Center
        World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
        World Federation of Public Health Associations
        World Forestry Congress
        World Health Organization
        World Meteorological Organization
        Zambia Academy of Sciences
        Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
        
        Isn’t this fun .
        Even grown ups can play with you kiddys.
        
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        June 24, 2017 3:20pm
    - Peter
      
      Griff,
      
      Like WOO, your spam will soon disappear in a flood of down votes. This gives those who aren’t zealots an opportunity to be heard.
      
      My position, if you’d bothered to find out, is evidence based. Does climate change? Yes. It always changes. Is there a warming trend? It appears that way. Does man play a part? It appears that way. Is investigation and questioning ongoing? Yes. Are the models reliable? Not really. Is it “settled”? No, of course not. Is someone who asks questions a “denier”? No, of course not. But merely asking questions is leapt on by zealots and classed as “denier”.
      
      You’re making the exact same mistake the Peak Oil zealots made, quoting endless scientific bodies that all turned out to be 100% wrong. That’s okay – that’s science, but it shows that a list of people claiming something to be true doesn’t make it true. A long list of churches who state God exists does not mean God exists. He might, but simply listing entities who believe isn’t proof of anything.
      
      The aspect of AGW that turns many off, and why you get no traction on the right, is because the science is being used as a hammer by the left to beat capitalism with. Many of these people don’t have a clue about the science and merely cut and paste from journalists. If it served their political agenda to state the world was cooling, they’d do that. They are political actors, and they have become very frustrated because everyone has seen straight through them. Good. Wankers.
      
      Climate change is a question of science, not politics.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:45am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hi Your argument is well reasoned and sensible. There fore it won’t be considered. Arguing with Griff or w oO is a waste of time. Downtick and move on.
        As far as I am concerned the role of CO2 is poorly understood. Until that is resolved, we really don’t have a clue about what is going on. There is a massive debate on this in the comments sections in this website which is worth reading to get both sides of the argument.
        
        https://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm
        
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        June 24, 2017 11:42am
      - Gruffydd
        
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        You are a illogical challenged individual my friend.
        Because X was wrong in the past therefor Y is also wrong .
        
        kiddy thinking .
        
        Yet you think you are partaking in reasoned debate.
        
        ROFL
        
        Instead you give dribbling talking points.
        All of the warming since 1950 is human caused .
        The IPCC gives 110%.
        
        The models ?
        https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1988/1988_Hansen_ha02700w.pdf
        Oh dear fucking spot on .
        Just another cololection of bullshit from ignorance.
        
        Here is one of those warmist zealot sites.
        http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
        The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is the world’s largest non-government general science membership organization and the executive publisher of Science, a leading scientific journal. Its mission is “advance science for the benefit of all people.” Its goals include providing a voice for science on societal issues and promoting the responsible use of science in public policy. There may be no more pressing issue intersecting science and society than climate change and the What We Know initiative was born in response to that reality.
        
        1. Climate scientists agree: climate change is happening here and now. Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. This agreement is documented not just by a single study, but by a converging stream of evidence over the past two decades from surveys of scientists, content analyses of peer-reviewed studies, and public statements issued by virtually every membership organization of experts in this field. Average global temperature has increased by about 1.4˚ F over the last 100 years. Sea level is rising, and some types of extreme events – such as heat waves and heavy precipitation events – are happening more frequently. Recent scientific findings indicate that climate change is likely responsible for the increase in the intensity of many of these events in recent years.
        
        2. We are at risk of pushing our climate system toward abrupt, unpredictable, and potentially irreversible changes with highly damaging impacts. Earth’s climate is on a path to warm beyond the range of what has been experienced over the past millions of years.[ii] The range of uncertainty for the warming along the current emissions path is wide enough to encompass massively disruptive consequences to societies and ecosystems: as global temperatures rise, there is a real risk, however small, that one or more critical parts of the Earth’s climate system will experience abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes. Disturbingly, scientists do not know how much warming is required to trigger such changes to the climate system.
        
        3. The sooner we act, the lower the risk and cost. And there is much we can do.Waiting to take action will inevitably increase costs, escalate risk, and foreclose options to address the risk. The CO2 we produce accumulates in Earth’s atmosphere for decades, centuries, and longer. It is not like pollution from smog or wastes in our lakes and rivers, where levels respond quickly to the effects of targeted policies. The effects of CO2 emissions cannot be reversed from one generation to the next until there is a large- scale, cost-effective way to scrub carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Moreover, as emissions continue and warming increases, the risk increases.
        
        By making informed choices now, we can reduce risks for future generations and ourselves, and help communities adapt to climate change. People have responded successfully to other major environmental challenges such as acid rain and the ozone hole with benefits greater than costs, and scientists working with economists believe there are ways to manage the risks of climate change while balancing current and future economic prosperity.
        
        As scientists, it is not our role to tell people what they should do or must believe about the rising threat of climate change. But we consider it to be our responsibility as professionals to ensure, to the best of our ability, that people understand what we know: human-caused climate change is happening, we face risks of abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes, and responding now will lower the risk and cost of taking action.
        
        All you offer is bullshit and bluster pulled from your arse .
        Pathetic.
        
        By the way on know its too long a comment for most on here .
        Poor wee dears can not cope with reading much more than a daily mail headline……
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:01pm
      - Peter
        
        You are a illogical challenged individual my friend.
        Because X was wrong in the past therefor Y is also wrong .
        
        No, Griff. You missed the point entirely. People agreeing with something is not proof of something. In any case, I likely hold a broadly similar position as those entities you quoted, but that doesn’t make me right, either.
        
        It’s pointless debating with you. You aren’t intellectually up to it, as evidenced by your post.
        
        Believe, if you want. But you’ll get more traction on the laughable CommieBlog than on here.
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:12pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        There is no serious debate to be had with warmist zealots.
        
        They are mostly post-modernist Marxists and therefore don’t believe in logic, facts or truth. Their only aim is to get you to submit to their worldview.
        
        Again my dear Little wingnut.
        Every major scientific body on the planet disagrees with you .This makes you a object of great mirth.
        In particular as you think all these scientific bodes are in some plot to overthrow capitalism .
        That is Gibbering whacko talk from you to start the day.
        I find great delight at your failure to address why the scientist community is so overwhelmingly against your view on science .
        We know the role of co2 .
        It is the major non condescending greenhouse gas that keeps this planet habitable for us mammals.
        
        It’s pointless debating with you. You aren’t intellectually up to it, as evidenced by your post.
        
        pigeon chess
        How novel.
        
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        June 24, 2017 3:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    JIV , what falsehoods other than those of science denying alt right Crumpets creationists .
    
    Dinosaurs and Adam and Even created at the same time c 6,000 BC
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:35am
    - Scott
      
      All good stephieboy ?
      One small correction – Dinosaurs were created earlier in the week ☺️
      And I would be happy to be insulted at being a “crumpet creationist”, if I only knew what that meant?
      
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      June 24, 2017 8:41am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Scott,
        
        “crumpet creationist” = moron .
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:54am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Spoken like a true Libtard SB
        
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        June 24, 2017 9:29am
      - holysheet
        
        That’s rich being called a moron by stooooooooooooooooooopidboy.
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:02pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh for God’s sake, what a clown.
  And a sad one at that.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:25am
- Gabby
  
  If Exxon are in on it, it’s dodgy.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:12am
  - GazzaW
    
    How so Gabby? You don’t use petroleum or it’s bi-products then?
    
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    June 24, 2017 12:03pm
    - Gabby
      
      They’re smart guys too. The smartest.
      
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      June 24, 2017 12:55pm
William of Okcham

I gave Hillary 99% chance of winning and now I’m predicting that global temperatures will increase 3.14159 degrees by June 18th 2100.

http://www.polarbearsaredying.com/AlGordo

http://www.dicapriosaysbiketowork.com
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June 24, 2017 8:04am
Southern Raider

Apart from being absolute crap from an actual news perspective does anyone else find the new Herald website layout absolutely horrendous?
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June 24, 2017 8:13am
- VicParking
  
  I notice they have removed the “Politics” section.
  Takes an age to load. Some articles are repeated three times. Full of “Promoted” (advertising) articles.
  And ofcourse still full of shit written by leftwing excuses for journalists……
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:46am
  - Biscuit
    
    Vic, to get to ‘Politics’ you have to click on the ‘New Zealand’ tab and use ‘Politics’ on the side menu that pops up.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:55am
    - pdm
      
      Very helpful Biscuit – a man of infinite wisdom and knowledge – lol.
      
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      June 24, 2017 9:52am
      - calendar girl
        
        …. and perserverence.
        
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        June 24, 2017 3:48pm
    - VicParking
      
      Well hidden, you must be a fan.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:34am
      - Biscuit
        
        Hardly. Vic! More a political junkie!
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:48pm
      - pdm
        
        Actually Vic he goes there looking for a mention of the Liverpool Association Football Club at Anfield.
        
        Sheer desperation – lol.,
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And the search function doesn’t work.
    Complete crap.
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:15am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I tried to find the Auckland weather forecast this morning. Hidden at the bottom and no actual detail apart from a general forecast for the whole north island
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:50am
    - VicParking
      
      Same on Red Radio. Looks like the met service are on holiday this weekend.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:36am
  - KevOB
    
    I believed that robo AI writers were now “employed”.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  How the same article, in the loosest sense of the word, appears several times but in different sections giving the impression that there is ‘lots’
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:57am
- alloytoo
  
  Yes. I’ve taken to going to Stuff (same crap, better layout)
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:12am
  - Swifty
    
    You’re not alone in that.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:25am
oldpark

One of the biggest corrupt news stories to happen in NZ this year has virtually been ignored by the anti National Government Mainstream Media.. Aptly named” slave-labour gate”,with the crooked exploitation of innocent overseas students.The stench of such exploitation is so bad,that flap jaws like Angry Andy Little,and his trade union puppet masters,caught in the headlights are running scared,even though .it is apparent they are donkey deep in the corrupt scam,known as “Slave-Labourgate” Blaming one of their officials called McCarten will not cut the mustard,and saying he has left Liebour,even though he is still on the payroll. The anti National Government Dominion Post, are so embarrassed by the damning exposure of corrupt Lie-bour,in this election year,they have tried to hide the real truth in page 10 of todays newspaper. They should face truth,Lie-bour/Green Party, broke their own corrupt rule, “thou shall not be found out”.
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June 24, 2017 8:15am
- srylands
  
  There is much to criticise but in what sense is it “corrupt”?
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:29am
  - CHFR
    
    I agree nothing corrupt but dodgy dealing nonetheless.
    I suspect this will be like Hillary’s emails, the media will ignore it and if they cover it at all it will be grudgingly and stating it is a beltway issue, a la some posters here already (ross001 & ztev looking at you) but out in the real world we look at it and say they are not ready for prime time.
    As much as Labour want this to be buried people do notice the do as I say not as I do approach they take and shy away from it.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:37am
    - KevOB
      
      Corrupt is as corrupt does.
      
      Not resigning when one’s purpose has been fulfilled.
      
      Turning a blind eye to hidden rogue change.
      
      Stealing PAYE deducted from working people to pay for activism.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    corrupt: having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
    
    Were they being dishonest? Yes, on many counts: lying about the distance between the operation and themselves, being hypocritical, etc.
    
    Were they doing this for gain? Yes.
    
    So, corrupt.
    
    Will they get gain? Nope.
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    So much for the missing million.
    
    Right now I bet Labour are wishing for a missing 85!
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:51am
  - Reid
    
    There is much to criticise but in what sense is it “corrupt”?
    
    In the sense they advocate against importing immigrants to do work NZers can do then do it themselves not just for any purpose but for the express purpose of working on a campaign where one of their planks is that, and in the sense they have probably violated the terms of their visas, when they finally get around to telling us which ones they have.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:49am
- stephieboy
  
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  Another Tsunami irony alert , Captain Mainwaring ?
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Corrupt if the students are on tourist visas.
  Hypocritical is they are on working visas.
  Add to that they are lying about the fact that it was not Labour party devised and run.
  Could be breaking electorial laws?
  Man I could go on……
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:52am
  - G152
    
    And made worse by the attempted hit on the Nats about something that happened two years ago…
    But hypocrisy is something Liebor do well and so often
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:04am
- VicParking
  
  Dominion:
  Barclay: page two, most of the page plus cartoons
  Labour slavegate: page 10, mostly giving unions side of story.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:39am
  - Reid
    
    We’re all shocked and surprised…
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:52am
  - Gabby
    
    Has Jimmy Carr’s retarded little brother contacted the marae to offer accommodation yet? He said the taxdodgers’ union were going to.
    
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    June 24, 2017 12:53pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      We all feel your pain gabby. This can’t be easy for you. Have you tried aromatherapy? You people seem to like that sort of thing.
      
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      June 24, 2017 12:59pm
- niggly
  
  It was mentioned in a 12 or 1pm news bulletin yesterday that two guards had been stationed at the Marae to keep people/media out …. which kinda brought up visions of slave labour indeed and that they were being ring-fenced in!
  
  Oh and the news bulletin stated that the guards were brought in by the Labour Party itself ….. which kinda suggests Labour has something to hide!
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:56am
peterwn

Interesting times in the electricity industry. Meridian quite rightly pointed out a while back that NZ faced a potential power shortage if the remaining Huntly original units were shut down as Genesis planned to to. Genesis was willing to keep them available in the expectation of making a killing but feared the Electricity Authority would not let them. So the Authority had to negotiate with Genesis to keep the machines available. And it has come to pass that South Island inflows are low at present and Huntly generation is required to make up.
The other interesting thing is two new retailers are offering power based on market spot prices. So their customers enjoyed cheap power for the last few years and some are now squarking that spot prices are very high when they need the power most. So some are switching suppliers and suggesting the best tactic is to use these companies most of the year but switch to the traditional retailers in the winter months. They are potentially ‘trash’ customers as far as the traditional companies are concerned but there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth if the traditional companies refused to supply them. The traditional companies will have no option but to ‘respond’ if any significant number of customers start switching supplier twice a year.
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June 24, 2017 8:23am
- CJames
  
  I believe that the traditional companies will (or should) have policies in place to stop the trash switching to them when the spot prices go up. Easiest way is having to sign up for a year at a fixed price.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:27am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, the traditional companies will need to find a solution. Fixed term contracts are frowned upon so companies need to give a loyalty incentive, a $200 credit up front as long as the customer stays in for two years. The whole industry will be forced into seasonal or more frequent variable pricing especially when all the old fashioned disc meters have been changed out (probably in the next five years). This will cause angst since the ‘poor’ will be hit by even higher power bills in the winter. This could be offset by MSD/WINZ paying a higher benefit in winter than summer. Instead of an annual benefit increase, the benefit rates could stay the same, but the money normally allocated for benefit increases could be used to pay a supplement during the winter months.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:51am
    - Gabby
      
      Thank you Max Fucking Bradford.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:38am
      - peterwn
        
        Regardless of Max the industry had to change anyway. First and foremost governments got fed up with having to make forecasting decisions, they had to play it safe leading to over-capitalisation. And for all sorts of reasons the industry had to move away from simplistic tariffs – the question being asked ‘why not have demand side management instead of this proposed power station/ transmission line/ etc’. So like it or not things are moving towards variable power pricing for domestic customers with people arriving home on a cold winters night to find power is 50 cents or more per unit. This would both reflect peak demand on generation/ transmission/ distribution and a potential energy shortage in dry years.
        That is why people such as Sue Kedgley are objecting to smart meters and want old disc meters to be retained (most remaining ones are at end of life and because of age are slowing down benefiting the customer).
        
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        June 24, 2017 11:12am
    - KevOB
      
      Good suggestion. Our power bill ranges from 5% of net benefit income to 10% in winter. For fixed incomes that makes budgeting hard. Recent announced increases will help.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:45am
- VicParking
  
  Current system has massive faults, but NZ is to small so we have to put up with it if we dont want it Nationalised.
  Dont worry if the Greens get into power (pun) we will all be sitting around a candle waiting for the sun to shine and the wind to blow.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:56am
Happychappy

Labour got no traction after throwing McCarten under the bus and the public wanted more and what involvement the Unions had so the people running Labours damage control come up with the mystery donor wanted this to happen and they are funding it as a anonymous donor. This is just another reason you can’t trust Labour they are in full swing trying to cover the backsides of the Leader Andrew Little and others and are going from one lie to another to hide their blatant fraud.
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June 24, 2017 8:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  And all the while, Grant’s phone is ringing off the hook with RSVP’s to this weekend’s BBQ. Alf has been sent out to buy a few kilos of export quality eye fillet, and a case of Chardonnay is already in the chiller, under lock and key in case any interns come around.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:37am
  - oldpark
    
    Liebour dosn’t seem to have much luck with interns or students,ask Darren Hughes Labour Party chief whip.,or is he donkey deep in the Slave-Labour Gate scandal.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    Alf would die if he had ‘a few kilos of export quality eye fillet’.
    
    He’s used to 120kg of old lamb!
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:56am
    - RalphT
      
      Biscuit, that comment is in very poor taste, so of course I upticked it.
      
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      June 24, 2017 9:27am
    - pdm
      
      And an uptick from me.
      
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      June 24, 2017 9:54am
    - Swifty
      
      Mutton.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:32am
      - adamsmith1922
        
        Indeed, mutton which could never pass for lamb in any guise whatsoever.
        
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        June 24, 2017 10:48am
      - stigie
        
        Bollocks to you all, it would never worry someone like Johnboy..?
        
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        June 24, 2017 11:43am
  - RF
    
    Clutch Cargo Little will be rolled after the election and that leaves Labour with a serious problem.
    
    Although Jacinda was handed a supposed safe seat she is not a leader and definitely not PM material. Having photo shoots to appear in glossy publications and undergoing orthodontic treatment does not change anything.
    
    The old saying …. you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear is very true.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:41am
- alloytoo
  
  Mystery Donor = undisclosed donations………
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    They had better be good at remembering each others lies!
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:21am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It was the Russians!
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:30am
  - 4077th
    
    German sausage anyone?
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:50am
- KevOB
  
  A position planning paper on scribe gives some light.
  
  Caitlin Johnson was hired from the US and started in January. In February she was advertising on behalf of labour.org.nz for the “Fellows”.
  
  https://www.scribd.com/document/351981366/Labour-Intern-Scheme
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:54am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    So who’s paying her salary then? Is it the Labour Party, from its own funds? Or is Ms Johnson, as was McCarten, being paid by the taxpayer via Andrew Little’s leader’s budget, allocated to him by Parliamentary Services?
    
    This is a serious issue that deserves proper scrutiny. That is especially the case, given Labour’s allegations this week about John Key and Bill English having used the National Party leader’s fund. If Labour is found to have campaigned unlawfully on the taxpayer dime, they deserve all the opprobrium that is thrown at them!
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:20pm
    - KevOB
      
      Her occupation is stated as Organiser, NZ Labour Party. There may be four of these people.
      
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      June 24, 2017 3:36pm
PhilBest

I have been too busy to visit for a while, but I have a question about the “Todd Barclay saga”.

There is a letter to the Herald this morning that says it. “Some MP whatisname tape-recorded one of his staff members. Who cares”?

What are the ethical approaches for an employer plagued with one or more disloyal staff members, to surveil them and gather evidence of their malfeasance in his frequent absences?

Or are employers meant to just put up with anything, even to the risk of their business survival, because to do otherwise would be a breach of the “rights” of even the most disloyal employees?

And is this a fair parallel for an MP and branch staff?

I can’t help feeling that this is just the lefty MSM taking its usual biased stance where employer – employee relationships are concerned. Things have gone too far in the past, under Labour governments, in terms of ratbag employees getting to legally shake down decent employers, and stuff like that.

Personally if I was surveilled and I was squeaky clean, I would feel hurt that I had been suspected at all; if I was a ratbag, the whole idea of “my rights” in this context is just a convenient enabler of my ongoing ratbaggery.
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June 24, 2017 8:37am
- MCos
  
  Recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
  If the guy thinks he can run the country he should be able to sort out a dysfunctional office.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:10am
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    Bit tricky when he’s dysfunctioning.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:43am
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      Remember Princess Street.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:57am
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    Illegality is subject to intention. The Police have no interest and other parties are implicated in wrong doing. This is a civil matter. Employment issues are often raised by parties seeking ill gains in defence. Confidential compromise payments are not uncommon.
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:04am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.’
    No it’s not. As long as you are one of the parties and remain present, then you can record the conversation without the others knowledge.
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:14am
    - MCos
      
      Clearly in this case Barclay wasn’t present.
      
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      June 24, 2017 1:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Exactly- the muppet should have got someone else to do it while he went out of the room if he wanted to know what they were saying about him. That would have been legal.
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:04pm
  - peterwn
    
    The MSM should remember the Ambrose incident. Seemed quite OK when he ‘accidentally’ left a recorder on in the Parnell tearooms and then tried to sell the recording. But then anything was ‘fair game’ against the evil John Key.
    
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    June 24, 2017 3:55pm
- Gabby
  
  Wee Toddy was indeed apparently using surveillance to enable his ratbuggery.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:42am
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‪Is PM Bill English now a lapsed Catholic?

‪Or has his memory lapsed regarding the Ten Commandments?‬

‪”Thou shall not bear false witness”?‬

In my view – decent Kiwis don’t like, or trust BILLSHIT.

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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June 24, 2017 8:49am
- ross411
  
  Does anyone read Penny’s posts any more? I just see the first sentence, scan back to poster’s name, and then scroll on.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:54am
  - CJames
    
    Yes – she does seem to want to give WoO a run for his money in stupidity doesn’t she.
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:59am
  - VicParking
    
    No scroll on. You must not forget to down tick.
    Pay you rates please I need a train station to Queen street at the end of my street and a cycleway from my home to the corner.
    P.S. I live in Whanganui.
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:02am
  - G152
    
    Always tempted to tell her to pay her rates but as this debacle draws out I’m looking forward to the Council removing her from her hovel and using the site to build council flats
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:09am
    - VicParking
      
      Shes close to Mt Roskill, they should build a mosque for the Boy to radicalise in.
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:45am
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    No. I usually down tick and add Fuck Off for good measure.
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:56am
  - thedavincimode
    
    ross411, penny is yesterday’s activist – a forgotten figure on the demoscape. Cleaned out by suzie dawson and didn’t even see it coming. Time for the ole tusker to start tidying out the garage and cleaning up the garden to maximise value.
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:46am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I love it when self-professed atheists and agnostics quote scripture back at you. Such hypocrisy…
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:21pm
- Biscuit
  
  publicwatchdog, there is mucho evidence (since you seem to run for EVERYTHING) that ‘decent New Zealanders’ like Pennyshit even less!
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:58am
- Happychappy
  
  I would not talk to loud Bright Penny your track record on $cams is known all over NZ and because you attend corruption meetings all over the world does not mean you your $cams to attend are legal also.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:00am
- mandk
  
  If you are going to get all Biblical, Penny, you really need to read Matthew 7.5 and John 8.7 before commenting.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:01am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Penny, keen to know how you are finding your Tamaki escapades
  
  More private donations? Why give-a-little in public when your cohorts can organise them privately aye Penny
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:09am
- GoVege
  
  Penny…get up to date on your rates…and give all that love and attention to unwanted cats and dogs.
  
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  June 24, 2017 3:28pm
Happychappy

Winston Peters to Federated Farmers Luncheon during the week “you are Lions led by Donkeys ” in his pitch to seal some votes from the farmer. This is hilarious coming a leader that has led his Party on race based Policy that has divided NZ and has never finished a Government coalition agreement with any Party on a positive note because of his unsavory dealings being scrutinized.
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June 24, 2017 8:52am
- CHFR
  
  Yes anyone who thinks Winston is the answer has amnesia, he is not the answer but the bloody problem.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:56am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Nope – Winston is the punishment that the electorate will inflict on National for their “Labour Lite” behaviour in deserting the centre right.
    
    National’s whole election strategy can be summed up as “Not being as bad as Labour”.
    
    And as Labour have regressed to infantile “Permanently unelectable” status – National believe they can be as utterly useless as they like and still retain power.
    
    They should have a little chat with Hollande’s Scialist party and Fillon’s Republicans to see how quickly the race to the bottom can work for previously unassailable major parties.
    
    If Winston holds the balance of power on election night it will herald the most unpleasant shit-swallowing exercise imaginable for the Nats. And if that doesn’t wake them up and start them on a course away from their socialist ways – then nothing will.
    
    Winston is only useful to deliver a wake-up call!
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:41am
    - KevOB
      
      If that. Mr Speaker had to help him when Winston was unable to proceed to put a supplementary question this week. The question had been written down but Winston had a serious senior moment.
      
      I was surprised that Winston returned after last elections when he was distinctly under the weather. It was pleasing to see a return to better health but will it continue?
      
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      June 24, 2017 11:09am
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      “Winston is the punishment”
      
      Fucking right he is, the punishment everyone suffers because some thick fuckers vote for the old wind bag
      
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      June 24, 2017 11:12am
- oldpark
  
  The same ratbag didnt want a free trade deal with the Chinese,who saved NZs bacon in the massive global financial crisis. Trust Winston Peters,only after counting my fingers with, his wet fish handshake.Believe him,yet only after he fronts and tell the truth about where is the $158,000 Taxpayer money,that is in dispute. Hope some of the farmers,will ask him ,where or what has he done with the money.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    He invested it in the Green Parrot one glass full at a time
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  I thought the Maori Party was a race based entity, and look how they have enjoyed National’s grace and favour.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:28am
lifesgood

There is an excellent article on Stuff, I know, I know, but I’m sure it will appeal to KB readers. It is titled ‘ The age of umbrage Weakens us all’ by Martin Van Beynen. Sorry, don’t know how to link it.
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June 24, 2017 9:00am
- VicParking
  
  Dont read stuff myself sorry…
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/93964176/martin-van-beynen-the-age-of-umbrage-weakens-us-all
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:07am
- Gabby
  
  Marty will stand by that right up until someone hurts his feewings.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:46am
Nukuleka

Last week the results of Immigration NZ’s lucky lotto draw for the ‘Pacific Island Quota’ was announced and among the results 84 Tongan families, comprising 250 individuals, are now eligible to move holus bolus to live in NZ. Other lucky winners come from Samoa, Fiji, Kiribas and Tuvalu. 650 in total.

I wonder whether many NZers are aware that such a scheme exists, and whether, if they knew, they would approve. It would be interesting to know if Immigration NZ tracks these lucky winners to see how many end up living in taxpayer-funded housing and recieve taxpayer-funded welfare benefits.

Just asking.
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June 24, 2017 9:19am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  No, I wasn’t aware.
  
  Our own treasonous elite in keeping with the Globohomo plan are cheerfully running a white replacement program using Third World detritus.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:32am
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    Wtf is a globohomo?
    
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    June 24, 2017 4:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep, the gummint is very generous with taxpayers’ money.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:41am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    You mean straight white mens money – after all they are doing most of the productive work and paying the largest share of taxes.
    
    And they get the least back.
    
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    June 24, 2017 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jazz Hands , in tems of taxes etc palefaces are obviously the largest , by far , section of the population ..
      
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      June 24, 2017 10:51am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Will these hard-working Tongans constitute a “brain drain” from Tonga? Ought they stay and “build up the nation of Tonga”?
  
  Or are they presently unemployed and unable to enjoy a decent life in the islands?
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:51am
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    I think you will find most of the PIs that come here under the quota are very motivated to get on. They take the jobs that no-one else will do. They also integrate well and take an active interest in their children. That is some of the main reasons the negative socioeconomic indicators for them are so much better than Maori.
    
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    June 24, 2017 2:27pm
- KevOB
  
  There are long standing quotas for these Islands. The Samoa one one goes back at least 40 years as NZ had control over it until 1962.
  NZ takes these quota immigrants as it finds them and some will land up on benefits.
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:18am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Quotas are dumb animals whose time has passed. They reek of something that a Soviet committee would have set.
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:27am
  - PhilP
    
    You are wrong there KevOB. That may well have been the case in years gone by but no longer. There is much more stringent criteria now.
    
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    June 24, 2017 3:18pm
    - KevOB
      
      SamoaObserver 24 June 2017
      …”Immigration Instructions recognise the special relationship between New Zealand and Samoa, and the Pacific Access Category countries of Tonga, Tuvalu, Kiribati and Fiji. Each year, up to 1,100 Samoan citizens, 250 Tongan and Fijian citizens and 75 I-Kiribati and Tuvaluan citizens are selected by ballot to be considered for the grant of residence in New Zealand. ”
      
      Different rules apply and these places are balloted as there are are too many seeking them. Samoa got this privilege as they once they had citizen rights here because of our earlier governorship. I didn’t know this had been extended to the PI countries but it is not surprising.
      
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      June 24, 2017 3:54pm
- peterwn
  
  Uncle Sam has similar ‘Green Card’ lotteries.
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:33pm
- PhilP
  
  As I understand it Nukuleka criteria is pretty stringent in that each successful applicant must have a clean medical record, a clean police record, must have a job offer and a minimum hourly wage of $19 for a single person. If the successful applicant has a wife and family, they must prove they have the means to support themselves. There are no NZ taxpayer handouts apart from WFF and FTC.
  
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  June 24, 2017 3:14pm
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    Nukuleka will refer to that village in Tonga. Some arrangements have been made to support our fruit picking needs.
    
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    June 24, 2017 3:58pm
Longknives

To be fair to Dionne- Raisman does have great pins!
But he should know that being a hated ‘Old White Man’ means he is going to get absolutely crucified for his comments…(Which are pretty tame compared to what Hip Hop/Rappers for example get away with- But for some reason the shrieking feminists leave them well alone..)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4627690/Hockey-great-Dionne-compliments-Aly-Raismans-legs-stage.html
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June 24, 2017 9:26am
Jack5

The poor quality of local-body politicians is evident in a call, led by Disappointment Dalziel, in which Canterbury’s mayors seek high immigration.

They want 100,000 immigrants for the region over five years because they say they will need workers.

One month they will be talking about how to find jobs for people because of coming automation, the next how they need thousands of workers.

Worse, they ignore the region’s young people. Have they advocated any youth training schemes, apprenticeship projects, farm recruitment schemes? I bet not. Have they been listening to operators of foreign student rorts – I bet they have. Have they been listening to those who want slave wages – I bet they have. Have they been listening to immigration consultants – I bet they have. Have they been listening to the bleeding hearts who want to flood the country with some of the world’s tens of millions of refugees – I bet they have.

Recessions are inevitable in economies. The NZ economy’s GDP per capita has been shrinking for the last two quarters and the country is approaching half a century of balance of payments deficits, yet these politicians act as though we are in some sort of perpetual boom. Add to the fact that the big, insurance and State-financed rebuild from the earthquakes is coming to an end.

Why don’t local councils and mayors just fix the roads, keep down rates, sort out bureaucratic building codes, and keep a lid on local-body debt for which ratepayers are ultimately liable?

The people quoted in the article to which I link are business folk who want low labour costs, including the Chamber of Commerce. A small percentage of firms take an active interest in such groups, even if they are members.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94018321/canterbury-mayors-call-for-government-to-reconsider-proposed-immigration-changes
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June 24, 2017 9:30am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops: 15 years not five. But that’s still a short time to absorb such a whopping number of people. You would think there was a gold rush in the alps.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:36am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Demographics is Destiny.
  
  The White birthrate crashed as a result of a 2 hit combo of 20th C economic prosperity and feminist phaggotry.
  
  A continual supply of fresh blood is needed to prop up GDP ( the Globohomo magic numbers are 2% inflation 3% GDP and 4% interest rates ).
  
  Ergo, white people can observe the growing hordes of Third Worlders amongst them – London has already fallen, now an atomised multicultural dystopia of sharia neighbourhoods and homosexual “Just Your Standard Fuck Party” nightlife.
  
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  June 24, 2017 9:43am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Jazz Hands , cut down on the KFC and Soy and up your impotency and diminishing sperm count .
    
    LOL !
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:08am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Jazz,
    “White Britain” let in the 3rd world. They must take responsibility for their actions.
    There are four possible outcomes.
    1. Ghetto-ization and the creation of a stagnant status quo consisting mainly of a divided nation of producers perpetually supplying a teeming underclass on welfare.
    2. Gradual waning of the whites, with more and more cities becoming 3rd-world majorities.
    3. The fires of civil war ignite and a new order arises from the ashes.
    4. The “melting-pot effect” works and New Britain emerges, larger and stronger than ever before.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:58am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      4. The “melting-pot effect” works and New Britain emerges, larger and stronger than ever before.
      
      Its funny that they actually believe that some sort of liberal utopia is going to come out of all of this. They think that what we are seeing now is a slight bump in the road on the way there.
      
      If people want to know what will happen when whites become a minority and are not in power they can look at South Africa (which those idiots probably call the rainbow nation)
      
      Demographics is destiny, yet to them, ethnic cleansing doesn’t matter for their grandchildren.
      
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      June 24, 2017 11:44am
      - simpleton1
        
        All set to boost Germany economy, yeah naahh.
        
        Up to three quarters of Germany’s refugees will still be unemployed in five years’ time, according to a government minister, ……. only a quarter to a third of the newcomers would enter the labour market over the next five years, and “for many others we will need up to 10”. ……
        carmaker Daimler, said the refugees could lay the foundation for the “next German economic miracle”.
        But those hopes have faded as a new realism about the migrants’ lack of qualifications and language skills sinks in. ……
        ….“We don’t take in refugees according to their skills set,” she said. “The only criteria should be to help people fleeing war and political persecution.”
        https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f?mhq5j=e1
        
        So long as Germany has the funds to keep on with social welfare, education and health, with out much new funding from the migrants.
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:02pm
      - Ross12
        
        In the mean time simpleton1 we have Macron saying this :
        http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/23/macron-accuses-countries-resisting-mass-immigration-betraying-eu/
        Seems to be plenty of slow learners in the EU elite.
        
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        June 24, 2017 12:32pm
      - simpleton1
        
        One would think that Macron is a real generous person, not wanting to keep Frances’s good fortune, all to itself.
        
        Did these carmakers “ ~~Daimler~~ , Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, DS automobiles said the refugees could lay the foundation for the “next ~~German~~ French economic miracle”?.
        
        One would think that generosity would not only make great cultural enrichment, and also financal social welfare enrichment for years to come through out Europe.
        
        A nice home for Macron http://www.dw.com/en/macrons-new-home/g-38829256 and I doubt very much he will return to the old home he has just left.
        
        It has 369 rooms so can accommodate quite a few, and looks like plenty of room for camping in the heart of Paris.
        I think the slow learner will have a security detail, to safeguard those grounds. Would have learnt that part very quickly, and of course to relieve pressures on his immediate walls, if he can disperse campers in Paris.
        Well to the West, Calais has become a hic-cup, awkward, so push them out Eastward.
        
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        June 24, 2017 1:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    I think Jazz-Hands Mc Feels is tongue in cheek about GDP growth when he says in his 9.43 post:
    
    A continual supply of fresh blood is needed to prop up GDP ( the Globohomo magic numbers are 2% inflation 3% GDP and 4% interest rates ).
    
    “We need immigration to boost GDP” is the great Ponzi scheme cry. What use is a rising GDP when GDP per capita falls, as it has for the last two reported financial quarters?
    
    Do the elite really want to impose India-type living standards on NZ?
    
    India has the 4th biggest GDP in the world at 2.25 trillion US dollars, but its GDP per capita is 158th in the world at 6,700 USD.
    
    NZ’s GDP is 174.8 billion USD, the world’s 68th, but our GDP per capita is 37,100 USD, putting us at 50th in the world ranking of GDP per person.
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:10pm
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    Wtf is a globohomo?
    
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    June 24, 2017 4:40pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  After the London Tower fire and it’s aftermath, we were constantly reminded of the plight of 3rd world gimmiegrants.
  
  I remain deeply confused as to how these people can apparently be so poverty-stricken, dependent and vulnerable, yet when the Canterbury Chamber of Commerce and Susan Devoy are talking, dynamic, diligent and good-for-the-economy all at the same time…
  
  Anyway, who needs logic when you’ve got good feelz?
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/06/a-suggestion-for-rabbi.html?m=0
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:17am
DifferentPerspective

Trump was right – again!

Oh dear – poor Hillary, there goes the “I won the popular vote” lie!

No wonder the Dems are so against voter IDs. Up to 6 million illegal votes.

Why isn’t CNN covering this – oh that’s right – they are the fake news channel and this doesn’t fit their lies.
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June 24, 2017 9:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  DP ,
  
  ” Study: More Noncitizens May Have Voted Illegally in Elections Than Previously Thought”
  
  Note” MAY HAVE ” . I would not get your hopes too high from a vulgar purveyor of flagrant lies such as Dortmund and Pizzagate .
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:06am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Oh that’s OK SB – thank you for libsplaining that to me.
    
    So the standard Berkley Libictionary defines “MAY HAVE” as definitely, incontrovertibly did not” then.
    
    Thank you however for your efforts, the combined total readership of Kiwiblog is now appreciably stupider for having read your comment.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:12am
- oldpark
  
  And our TVNZ and NewstalkZB feeds off the CNN fake news liars, or it it the Counterfeit News Network.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:13am
  - RF
    
    Or Clinton News Network. No matter all are corrupt.
    
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    June 24, 2017 10:30am
- Gabby
  
  So leave out the 6 mill Russian fake voters and Trumpettes, and Hills would have done even better.
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:51am
- Inandout
  
  The CNN lineup of ‘presenters’ have to be the most sour lot imaginable. Surely Fox can’t be that bad if their presenters can inject a bit of humour into their opinion pieces? Verdict: CNN = Democrats = mentally unhinged.
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:38am
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11881086

Audrey Young: No comparison between Labour’s intern strife and National’s crisis.
______________________

Seems that PM Bill English and National are in trouble?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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- VicParking
  
  FO Penny.
  This is a much better article
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11522540
  
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  June 24, 2017 10:59am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    hear hear
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:01am
  - Happychappy
    
    Vic : Do all people that like to $cam the general public have the same shifty eyes as the Bright Penny.
    
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    June 24, 2017 12:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      Some crappy chappies’ eyes spin like pinwheels.
      
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      June 24, 2017 12:30pm
  - RalphT
    
    Every post from the bludger should be followed by a (mental) health warning like this.
    PS every so often the Herald does get things right
    
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    June 24, 2017 2:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Seems that PM Bill English and National are in trouble?”
  
  In your deluded National-hating dreams.
  Pay your f***ing rates.
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:00am
  - stigie
    
    10 years of rates paid by the good decent people of Auckland..?
    What a fucking bludger and a joke you are !~
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Hooray; I was down-tick #30; I made Penny disappear!
  
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  June 24, 2017 1:23pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

World Chess Champion gets a little bit testy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hBrSmuRBA
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June 24, 2017 10:55am
Fletch

It looks like Trump had even more reason to be annoyed re: the whole Comey debacle. It turns out that the so-called “gang of eight” were all informed by Comey that Trump was not under investigation but Democrat Senator Chuck Schumer decided to ignore that and imply otherwise in his statements.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) blasted Democrats on Thursday — particularly Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) — for fueling media hysteria, knowing full well President Trump was not under investigation for collusion with Russia.

In a statement delivered on the Senate floor, Grassley said that in March, former FBI Director James Comey had told him, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and the group of Senate and House members known as the “Gang of Eight” that the president was not under investigation.

But Schumer, who is part of the Gang of Eight, continued to tell the media Trump was under investigation, Grassley said.

“That helped feed the media hysteria,” he said. “The Minority Leader even tried to say that the Senate shouldn’t vote on the Supreme Court nomination because the president was under investigation. And the whole time, he knew it wasn’t true.”

In once instance, Schumer told reporters on March 21, “There is a cloud now hanging over the head of the president, and while that’s happening, to have a lifetime appointment made by this president seems very unseemly and there ought to be a delay.”

Grassley said it was not until months later that it came to light, on May 12, when Trump revealed in a letter firing Comey that the FBI director had told him three times he was not under investigation.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/23/grassley-schumer-knew-trump-wasnt-under-investigation-said-he-was/

Is anyone really surprised at how low the Left can stoop? They would do anything to get Trump out. I bet the media makes very little of it, as well.
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June 24, 2017 11:20am
- Inandout
  
  Yet the Republicans just keep winning in those recent elections. Voters can see through what is going on in the Washington swamp.
  
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  June 24, 2017 11:48am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If you can see clearly into the swamp, then there is less of a need to drain it.
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:52am
    - Inandout
      
      A large water filter is then needed to screen and catch the deep state traitors. It will happen as more and more people realise that the Dems are nothing more than wreckers.
      
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      June 24, 2017 12:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout
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    The Trump administration has definitely not drained the swamp ”
    
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/320348-the-trump-administration-has-definitely-not-drained-the
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , ten reason why Breitbart ever should be taken seriously ?
  
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  June 24, 2017 1:03pm
Rodney Randall

https://youtu.be/4hwkhM041ig

Piers Morgan confronts Tommy Robinson and goes FULL RETARD?

Never go FULL RETARD
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June 24, 2017 12:00pm
- Morrissey
  
  Good advice Rodney. Poor old Mayor Len Brown would have done well to heed it…..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8GHlZqpw7w
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Piers seemed more offended (or frightened) when Tommy kept waving the Koran. Delicious TV.
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:10pm
  - Longknives
    
    What’s so offensive about holding a copy of the Koran? Morgan is clearly terrified of repercussions from the same whackjobs he is defending!
    
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    June 24, 2017 12:55pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  You have to hand it to Piers Morgan – no matter how unpleasant his guest is, you always end up feeling better disposed towards them because Morgan makes such a cunt of himself. It’s hard to believe that’s the effect he’s going for, but it’s certainly the effect he has.
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:33pm
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    The best comment!
    
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    June 24, 2017 11:48pm
- Longknives
  
  Robinson came out of that well- Morgan was acting like a frightened child and the ridiculous woman had absolutely nothing to add apart from repeating “You’re an Islamophobe” over and over…
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:57pm
- G152
  
  Piers Morgan is the typical pommie git.
  No credible argument so talk over the interviewee.
  Doesn’t listen to the interviewee, makes himself look a right tit…
  Time to get a new face of the fake TV news, that ones used up its credibility
  
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  June 24, 2017 1:16pm
Morrissey

Anyone interested in learning something about the ongoing siege of Gaza should read this book…

Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom
by NORMAN FINKELSTEIN

Gaza is among the most densely populated places in the world. Two-thirds of its inhabitants are refugees, and more than half the population is under eighteen years of age. Since Israel occupied Gaza in 1967, it has systematically de-developed the economy. After Hamas won democratic elections in 2006, Israel intensified its blockade of Gaza, and after Hamas consolidated its control of the territory in 2007, Israel tightened its illegal siege another notch. In the meantime, Israel has launched no less than eight military operations against Gaza—culminating in Operation Cast Lead in 2008–9 and Operation Protective Edge in 2014—that left behind over three million tons of rubble. Recent UN reports predict that Gaza will be unlivable by 2020.

Norman G. Finkelstein presents a meticulously researched and devastating inquest into Israel’s actions of the last decade. He argues that although Israel justified its blockade and violent assaults in the name of self-defense, in fact these actions were cynical exercises of brutal power against an essentially defenseless civilian population. Based on hundreds of human rights reports, the book scrutinizes multifarious violations of international law Israel committed both during its operations and in the course of its decade-long siege of Gaza. It is a monument to Gaza’s martyrs and a scorching accusation against their tormenters.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/book/gaza-an-inquest-into-its-martyrdom-3/
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June 24, 2017 12:01pm
- Morrissey
  
  As of 12:10 p.m., 2 people have signaled their intent to remain resolutely ignorant.
  
  As of 12:15, 4 proudly ignorant posters have registered!
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:11pm
- Gabby
  
  Kind of surprising there isn’t a massive flow of refugees out of Gaza.
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:26pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Too well fed.
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Their Muslim neighbours don’t want them. Too feral.
      
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      June 24, 2017 4:07pm
    - Morrissey
      
      That’s the sort of joke that some Poles and Germans—and no doubt some New Zealanders like you—made about the imprisoned Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
      
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      June 24, 2017 5:38pm
  - Morrissey
    
    They are imprisoned. The Israelis, who control all exit points, routinely forbid even acutely ill patients to leave Gaza.
    
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    June 24, 2017 5:36pm
    - CJames
      
      No they don’t Morrissey. there is a land border with Egypt and they have a port.
      Also if you actually could read, you would know Israel treats thousands of Gaza and West Bank citizens in its hospitals, just like the Syrian refugees.
      https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/09/the-israeli-volunteers-shuttling-palestinians-to-hospitals/500960/
      https://www.standwithus.com/news/article.asp?id=1671
      But then facts are an impediment to your anti-Semitic prejudices, aren’t they.
      
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      June 24, 2017 6:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Fool, criticising Israel’s crimes does not constitute anti-Semitism. Your lame attempt at smearing me carries as much weight as your lamentably biased and untruthful cyber-links.
        
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        June 24, 2017 6:17pm
      - CJames
        
        And your lack of geography skills marks you out as an idiot
        
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        June 24, 2017 6:24pm
Manolo

His days seem to be numbered:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339121-priebus-most-imperiled-person-at-white-house
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June 24, 2017 12:02pm
- Morrissey
  
  Who’ll last longer: him or this walking corpse?…
  
  https://res.cloudinary.com/dods/image/upload/c_fill,g_center,h_500,w_1120/v1/UK%20politicians/mayglum_ypc2lg.png
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:09pm
Manolo

Warmist Griff will be very proud of his man Al Gore:
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000630299&play=1
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June 24, 2017 12:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You mean Extremist Griff
  
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  June 24, 2017 12:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    You mean All on Red herring .con
    
    ( with emphasis on the .CON )
    
    LOL !
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:01pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Hows the math going all on red ?
    Manged to work out what 3 plus 3 is yet?
    Once you manage simple arithmetic we can go on to discuses what the keeling curve represents as a mathematical function..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function
    Poor DK to thick to understand how thick he actually is
    ….
    
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    June 24, 2017 1:14pm
    - Inandout
      
      It’s maths, unless you are speaking in the singular (or te reo).
      
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      June 24, 2017 1:30pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Pardon my use of the American idiom
        and your stubidty.
        Math vs. maths – Grammarist
        grammarist.com/spelling/math-maths/
        Math and maths are equally acceptable abbreviations of mathematics. The only difference is that math is preferred in the U.S. and Canada, and maths is …
        
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        June 24, 2017 1:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Stubidty’
        What a moron.
        So thicko, how much will CO2 be as ppm by 2100?
        Go on. Reveal your extremism.
        ROFLMAO
        
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        June 24, 2017 3:12pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        My poor little favorite dk example.
        The keeling curve is an exponential function.
        Unless we see evidence that it has in fact stopped acting in such a way we will see double in a few decades and double that by the end of the century.
        You do note I am talking about the simple measurement of co2 not on some fancy scientific “model”.
        
        I don’t think we will end up there for the simple reason the majority of the world except for a few loony tunes rwnj political entities are aboard with reducing emissions.
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I know about the Keeling Curve- have done for awhile. Obviously new,to you as you mention it a lot now. Like a new shiny toy for the 5 yoSo you’re claiming 1600 ppm by 2100?
        Yes or no.
        Also you just have to gaze in wonder at someone who calls others stupid, accuses them of DK whilst displaying such a massive lack of self awareness about their own shortcomings and mentalness.
        Griff, you are truly KBs Biggest Effwit
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:14pm
      - starboard
        
        Hows the far north utopia going griff ?
        Got the yurts up?
        Group lovin sessions?
        Composting your excrement and all that stuff ?
        * snigger chortle*
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ramadan ends this weekend.
Eid al-Fitr begins.
Seems it can be just as ghastly as Christmas gatherings.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40377764
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June 24, 2017 1:38pm
- kowtow
  
  BBC calls it the ‘holy Islamic ……”
  
  When did they last call Christmas or Easter anything similar?
  
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  June 24, 2017 3:24pm
  - Longknives
    
    It’s called ‘Winterval’ in the UK now Kowtow…
    
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    June 24, 2017 3:50pm
    - Morrissey
      
      No it’s not. Unless you’ve simply made it up, you’ve repeated a paranoid fabrication you’ve found in some crazed corner of the web. Whaleoil?
      
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      June 24, 2017 5:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well someone forgot to tell the Winterval elves….
        
        they’re busy preparing for 2017 Winterval.
        http://www.winterval.ie/
        
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        June 24, 2017 6:28pm
      - sam green
        
        Ireland’s Christmas Capital? How is that changing the name of Christmas to Winterval? Fucking long bow you guys.
        
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        June 24, 2017 11:51pm
cha

Obama did nothing when lying intelligence agencies told him about a hoax, that was really a DNC false flag anyway.

Righto…..

Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 24, 2017
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June 24, 2017 1:59pm
noskire

A great fire lighter appeared in the mail today from Labour – two huge lies.

Ruth Dyson: “Everywhere I go in Canterbury, people are worried about the cost of housing. House prices are up over 20% in the last year.” Umm, no, not even 5% Ruth.

Ruth Dyson: “We’ll build thousands of new homes for first home buyers to live in, sell them at cost, and use the money to build more homes for Kiwi families. ”

So, if you sell a home at cost, where is the profit to build more homes?
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June 24, 2017 3:43pm
- starboard
  
  “We’ll build thousands of new homes for first home buyers to live in, sell them at cost, and use the money to build more homes for Kiwi families. ”
  
  Exactly. Stupid bint. What a brain dead fucking idiot thing to say. 1+1=3 eh Ruth. Stay off the booze, it ain’t doin you any good.
  
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  June 24, 2017 4:16pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s Griff standard math. Because the IPCC in AR5 give a range of 1.5-4.5 for ESC that means 1.5 + 4.5 = 6 so the answer of what it must be is divide by 2 to get 3!
    Math for morons. And this guy tells us we’re ‘stubid'(sic)
    Soooooo soooo funny.
    
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    June 24, 2017 4:23pm
    - noskire
      
      The Christchurch “Rebuild” is a prime example. Inject billions of dollars into an industry that is short of labour (ahem) – $25 an hour for a “spotter” to ensure that a painter doesn’t fall off his/her ladder. Don’t get me started on workplace health and safety…
      
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      June 24, 2017 4:34pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Yip that is called a straw man argument.
      Fapping off over an idea in your own head .
      Poor little D.K.
      
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      June 24, 2017 4:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol, given how you tell us your “missus” only visits every couple of weeks, I’d wager you’re the one doing all the fapping!
        ?
        
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        June 24, 2017 4:49pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Poor DK suffering wingnut.
        Can we have that fight over who posts last again ?
        It was fun watching you gibber on to your self past midnight……
        
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        June 24, 2017 5:16pm
noskire

Further, say Labour builds 1000 new homes at cost. Conservative estimate of $400 000 per property.

$400 million. Where does the money come from? Cut funding somewhere else? Or borrow – that would make sense if you are going to sell at cost…

And this doesn’t even take into account the inflationary pressures that 1000 new homes would place on the building industry. Possibly they could import 100 students from the US for political/building experience.
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June 24, 2017 3:59pm
noskire

And further from Ruth: Labour is going to ban foreign speculators from buying Kiwi homes.

So Labour wants New Zealand to cut itself off from the rest of the world and be like North Korea.
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June 24, 2017 4:12pm
noskire

And an even bigger lie from Ruth Dyson: 45 000 people a year don’t get get the specialist treatment they need.Wow, I’m interested to see how Ruth gets those figures.
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June 24, 2017 4:18pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Well I have to call bullshit on Dyson’s claim. There is no way slavelabour has 45,000 members.
  
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  June 24, 2017 4:22pm
  - noskire
    
    Emailing her now.
    
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    June 24, 2017 4:36pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Why bother Dyson is permanently pissed.
      
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      June 24, 2017 4:52pm
      - RF
        
        Doubt if she would get pissed these days as her body weight has ballooned. Compared to a few years ago she is now ginormous.
        
        To steal a name from the famous Rachel Smalley
        – “Lardo’s ” can suck up alcohol with little effect.
        
        She just might have the qualifications to be the next Labour leader.
        
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        June 24, 2017 5:38pm
      - sam green
        
        Yes RF – she’s nearly the size of Paula Bennett.
        
        Btw – what’s with Bennett’s bronzer? She looks like someone painted her face with a deep beige chalk paint. Is it to look darker?
        
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        June 24, 2017 7:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam green
        
        Are you are a SNAG?
        
        I had to look up bronzer (I thought it was a shark).
        
        And gosh, I had failed to notice how much make-up she was wearing…… but I did notice Jacinda was coated in the muck a few days back.
        
        Perhaps the female MPs are having a competition with how much crap they can plaster on themselves.
        
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        June 24, 2017 7:34pm
      - sam green
        
        At least Jacinda’s was the same colour as her skin.
        
        Snag – wtf is that?
        
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        June 24, 2017 7:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWPtoge8n54
        
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        June 24, 2017 7:59pm
      - sam green
        
        Move on Maggy.
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:00pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Snag – wtf is that?”….
        
        From the Urban Dictionary:
        
        ….”Sensitive New Age Guy (S.N.A.G). Similar to the Metrosexual, but more timid and sensitive.”….
        
        Awe! Maggy thinks you’re poofy! 🙂
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:04pm
      - sam green
        
        Yeah – she’s great like that.
        
        I only have eyes for dad4justice – he’s soooooo butch.
        
        She’ll have to line up some other sensitive guy.
        
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        June 24, 2017 8:06pm
  - stigie
    
    So Slavelabour are going to tell the builders and the material suppliers how much they can charge to try and keep the price down with very little markup ?
    
    Won’t they go and tell Slavelabour to get fucked…?
    
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    June 24, 2017 5:06pm
    - nasska
      
      Hasn’t that strategy been tried before in some other country? The State commands, the peasants say “Up you” & everyone starves to death but in a condition of equality.
      
      From what I recall it didn’t work out too well then either.
      
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      June 24, 2017 5:20pm
Longknives

So The Herald think they are hilarious and have got the Lions at the Zoo ‘predicting’ the result of the Rugby.
Stuff have also brilliantly got Penguins at Kelly Tarltons doing the same thing..

Has anyone told NZ Media that this joke got old after Paul the Octopus all those years ago?
It’s tired and kind of cringeworthy and embarrassing now…
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June 24, 2017 4:50pm
- kowtow
  
  “cringeworthy and embarrassing” describes most of what passes for MSM here .
  
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  June 24, 2017 6:12pm
cha

Busily furnishing credits.

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Western technology companies, including Cisco, IBM and SAP, are acceding to demands by Moscow for access to closely guarded product security secrets, at a time when Russia has been accused of a growing number of cyber attacks on the West, a Reuters investigation has found.

Russian authorities are asking Western tech companies to allow them to review source code for security products such as firewalls, anti-virus applications and software containing encryption before permitting the products to be imported and sold in the country. The requests, which have increased since 2014, are ostensibly done to ensure foreign spy agencies have not hidden any “backdoors” that would allow them to burrow into Russian systems.

But those inspections also provide the Russians an opportunity to find vulnerabilities in the products’ source code – instructions that control the basic operations of computer equipment – current and former U.S. officials and security experts said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-tech-insight-idUSKBN19E0XB
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June 24, 2017 5:03pm
rightoverlabour

Hey Penny Bright, Ztev, Ross001, Stephieboy..

Seen this??

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5482041843001/?#sp=show-clips

Hope the orange jump suit makers have a few spare in women’s sizes….
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June 24, 2017 5:54pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see Hone interviewed on the Nation. He was advocating the death penalty for Chinese drug dealers. He was asked about gang members but said we should start with the Chinese first and then could expand.

The Nation spent most of the time having a go at Bill English. They not only ignored Hone but also Slavelabour.

If push came to shove I wonder if National would include Hone rather than Winston.
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June 24, 2017 5:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He starts talking about it 8 minutes in.
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/06/interview-hone-harawira.html
  
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  June 24, 2017 6:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  I am no fan of Hone Chuck but did he get up your nose because of what he said about Winston, in then end he said executed but only after the continual Lisa Owen trying to put words in his mouth. Hone said several time before that answer was given you get Winston to answer the Question and I will give mine. So like the Media you are not giving the facts.
  
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  June 24, 2017 6:37pm
Morrissey

Reasons to be Cheerful
No. 1 Jeremy Corbyn

The British prime minister-in-waiting has been confronting pure evil for a long time now….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8sf02fp0P0
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June 24, 2017 6:14pm
- Longknives
  
  “Jeremy Corbyn- The British prime minister-in-waiting has been confronting pure evil for a long time now….”
  
  Come now- The prospect of a shower or a bath isn’t that bad surely??
  
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  June 24, 2017 6:22pm
Manolo

Our multiculturalist and refugee-lover weeps:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-number-of-refugees-admitted-to-u-s-1498249611-htmlstory.html

The number of refugees admitted to the United States was cut by nearly half in the first three months of the Trump administration compared with the final three months of the Obama presidency, reflecting the new president’s skepticism toward immigration.
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June 24, 2017 7:18pm
- Longknives
  
  God Bless President Trump! Rapidly becoming the Greatest President of my Lifetime..
  
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  June 24, 2017 7:28pm
Nostradamus

From public loo to public art: Would you travel to see a toilet?

Some tourists want more from their public loos than running water and an ample supply of toilet paper. Open Lonely Planet’s Toilets: A Spotter’s Guide and you’ll find more than 100 must-visit lavatories around the world — from a futuristic silver urinal in Berlin to an open air, self-composting toilet in the wilds of British Columbia.

I wonder if Hagley Park is featured in the “Spotter’s Guide”!
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June 24, 2017 8:17pm
- sam green
  
  Special mention of dad’s glory hole?
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I got stuck in one of these….
  http://c8.alamy.com/comp/HYMJC5/lobster-toilets-in-the-kumutoto-public-space-on-queens-wharf-wellington-HYMJC5.jpg
  
  The daughter managed to free me.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:23pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”I got stuck in one of these”….
    
    Those were toilets for lobsters. The women’s is a block further north.
    
    No wonder you were stuck & confused. 🙂
    
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    June 24, 2017 8:28pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You know and I know that they should have been called cray(fish) lavvies..
      no wonder I got my knickers in a twist ….”Lobster toilets”….pfffff!
      
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      June 24, 2017 8:33pm
    - sam green
      
      The craypots.
      
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      June 24, 2017 8:51pm
stigie

If he’s so butch sam, why would he need his own glory hole..?
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June 24, 2017 8:29pm
- sam green
  
  You’ve confounded me there stigie. I don’t know why he does the things he does. He’s an enigma wrapped up in a riddle, tied with a ribbon ?.
  
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  June 24, 2017 8:32pm
BeeSting

GOD BLESS THE ALL BLACKS

PRAISE THE LORD
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June 24, 2017 9:42pm
Rodney Randall

https://youtu.be/vVa4yb_bChM

Full Interview with Piers, Bimbo, and Tommy.

You can tell that Piers is conflicted.
Bimbo is an automatron with tits.

Tommy did well to counter Piers BS claims that he is inciting hatred.

Morgan got demo’d and the Youtube comments reflect this fact.

Pick any of the 100+ verses calling for Kafirs death from the book of love?
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