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William of Ockham

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New wind and solar cheaper than new coal and nuclear.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2017/04/renewables-providing-most-new-power-as-solar-wind-costs-continue-to-fall.html
Renewables Providing Most New Power, As Solar, Wind Costs Continue to Fall

https://thinkprogress.org/renewables-cheapest-new-power-globally-74910c78bbbe
President Trump may push as hard as he wants on new coal — opening more public lands to mining, gutting President Obama’s Clean Power Plan. But the hard reality of rapidly declining costs for renewables (and storage) makes clear he will be pushing on a string, and a very dirty one at that.

https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-analysis-100/
The cost of generating electricity from renewable energy, especially solar, continues to decline, according to the latest Levelized Cost of Energy Analysis (LCOE 10.0) – Lazard’s annual study comparing the cost of generating energy from conventional and alternative technologies.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/new-solar-will-be-cheaper-than-old-coal-by-2032-2032/
It’s no secret that solar PV is now the cheapest form of new-build utility-scale power generation around

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/solar-wind-renewable-energy-record/
Renewable Energy Record Set in U.S.
A new report found solar and wind accounted for a record 10 percent of electricity generation in March.

http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/Next_Generation_Windand_Solar_PowerFrom_Cost_to_ValueFull_Report.pdf
International Energy Agency. 186pp.

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
https://www.ecowatch.com/pnas-jacobson-renewable-energy-2444465393.html?utm_source=EcoWatch%2BList&utm_campaign=32fcc437f9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-32fcc437f9-86111021
4 Reasons Nuclear and Fossil Fuel Supporters Criticizing 100% Renewable Energy Plan Are Wrong
PNAS published a paper today by nuclear and fossil fuel supporters, which is replete with false information for the sole purpose of criticizing a 2015 paper colleagues and I published in the same journal on the potential for the U.S. grid to stay stable at low cost with 100 percent renewable wind, water and solar power. The journal also published our response to the paper.

New wind and solar cheaper than new coal and nuclear.

Rebuttal: yarpie@cmmumbo-jumbo.con

Rebutt plug: All_Red_Herrings@Dunning-Kruger.itis

Deniers: To bury the evidence right click sandbox below. Thanks
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 21, 2017 8:00am
- RalphT
  
  Here we go, here we go, here we go…
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:02am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Going at better than run a minute at the moment Ralph T. 8.14am, and 16 already.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:16am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Keeping Stock ,
      
      ” Deniers: To bury the evidence right click sandbox below. ”
      
      More pure Gold , eh !
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:24am
  - jcuk
    
    What did the earwig cry as he fell off the branch?
    “‘ere we go again”
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  I think I might take my V8 for an aimless drive and knock off a polar bear.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:08am
  - holysheet
    
    nah V8’s are so yesterdays car. You now need a V12 to really get them going.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:23am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Rich Dick ,planning to opem in your backyard a personalised customised lignite / brown coal power station ?
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:28am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Good morning moron. I do have a coal powered Webber as it happens.
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:52am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    RP, I drive mine daily to work. If I see greenpeace collectors I always make sure I toot and wave 🙂
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:45am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  8.23 and gone already. A new record?
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:24am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Could well be. If only DPF would save us the hassle.
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:06am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Uh-Oh, looks like even big name true believers (including chief-loon Michael Mann) are now saying that Thermogeddonist models are massively too hot. So long ‘consensus’.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/the-new-consensus-on-global-warming-a-shocking-admission-by-team-climate/
  
  https://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2973.html
  
  Time to pack up the end-of-the-world placards and hair shirt Dennis
  
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  June 21, 2017 2:49pm
Don the Kiwi

1 down, 29 to go.
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June 21, 2017 8:02am
- stephieboy
  
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  Planning to bury the evidence in your own sandpit ?
  
  Bishop Usher was out by one year when the world was created ?
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:30am
Paulus Gnome

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Bugger!
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June 21, 2017 8:03am
RalphT

What gives with the centre justification of comments, or is it just my devices? It makes entries look like poetry (no, Denis, please don’t come back); and like most poetry, is sometimes unreadable.
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June 21, 2017 8:04am
- mandk
  
  It’s not just your devices.
  And it makes nested commenting pointless.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:06am
  - simpleton1
    
    And maybe in correction of realignment,
    also re-position the “REPORT” to the other side and not near REPLY.
    Thanks in advance, for some with troubling eyesight, and bumbling fingers.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:28am
    - simpleton1
      
      Hurrrrray ! !, my googles have adjusted,
      Thank you.
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:08am
- KevOB
  
  Hard to read and ruins threads.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:28am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, RalphT.
  
  There are a few things I like to see in my perusal of General Comments:
  
  Not a lot of Penny
  Even less of WoO
  Nice, succinct comments
  Line justified text – i.e. not friggin’ centred f*ckwittery!
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:30am
eszett

What are the odds that Barclay will be resigning?
By the end of today? End of the week?

Bill English has got himself into a bit of a pickle with him
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June 21, 2017 8:06am
- peterwn
  
  The National Party members in his electorate overwhelmingly supported his re-nomination. Those opposed to him just could not get the numbers for their candidate as DPF pointed out yesterday.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:16am
  - G152
    
    Its a storm in a teacup with the fake news lefties trying to expand it to the saucer
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:28am
    - doggone7
      
      You go it, a Prime Minister full frontal lying and it being acceptable is a storm in a teacup with the fake news lefties trying to expand it to the saucer.
      
      The weird thing is that the types that say those sorts of things are often the types who get into lunatic rave mode about ‘falling standards’ and ‘accountability.’
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:02am
  - eszett
    
    And so did the electorate of Taito Phillip Field.
    How is that relevant?
    
    He admitted to have secretly recorded his employees, potentially a criminal act if he was present.
    He lied about it for a year.
    He refused to co-operate with the police despite saying he would.
    Bill English knew about all this for a year but did nothing.
    
    Trying to spin it as an “internal” dispute of disgruntled employees is just that: spin.
    
    Attacking the accusers, trying to discredit them, because the actual deed is indefensible.
    
    Classy.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:36am
    - smttc
      
      eszett
      
      Apart from telling the Police that Barclay had told him he had taped the employee badmouthing him, there is nothing Bill English can do. Barclay is an electorate MP. So English cannot sack him or force him to resign.
      
      Which is what really irks all the lefties, media and academics like Geddis.
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:56am
      - smttc
        
        And Winston Peters suggesting Barclay must resign for lying to the media??? This from a guy who held up a No sign to the assembled media when the answer was Yes. The guy is a complete joke.
        
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        June 21, 2017 9:10am
      - ztev
        
        Ask Arron Gilmore about that? plus a whole string of national MPs who were persuaded to let go… Pansy Wong.. Mike Sabin… Richard Worth….
        
        The list is long old toot.
        
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        June 21, 2017 9:12am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        This from a guy who held up a No sign to the assembled media when the answer was Yes. The guy is a complete joke
        
        The Taxpayers Union has fired a shot across Peters’ bow this morning, reminding him of his own misuse of his leader’s fund.
        
        http://mailchi.mp/b993c8dad7a0/media-release
        
        Let’s also not forget the way that Peters treated Brendon Horan, without giving him an opportunity to plead his case.
        
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        June 21, 2017 10:09am
      - SGA
        
        The Taxpayers Union has fired a shot across Peters’ bow this morning, …
        
        I hope they attached one of their quotes of the week. That will really rattle him 🙂
        
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        June 21, 2017 12:28pm
    - Happychappy
      
      If you had to put yourself in his position at a young age and learn’t that one of your staff were undermining you I wonder how you would have reacted. He obviously has done the wrong thing but I would suggest the senior staff member has done worse by continually slagging him off to others behind his back.
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:31am
      - MCos
        
        If he’s too young to run an office what’s he doing in parliament running the country?
        
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        June 21, 2017 10:41am
      - sam green
        
        He certainly wasn’t too young to work as a tobacco lobbyist.
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:16am
      - Paulus
        
        Was it only one person who continually publically and privately denigrating him – or were other staff involved.
        They eventually resigned.
        I see that the leading lady is now working for the opposition in the electorate.
        
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        June 21, 2017 1:21pm
    - KevOB
      
      So is internal disloyalty. That is not appreciated among the left either. Princess Street…
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:38am
  - ztev
    
    Thats why you stack the delegates in your favour, family members were being appointed for branches they wernt even connected to
    Then there was the big fib about the question asked if he had any police interest in his goings on.
    Not to mention
    “Allegations and counter-allegations flowed through the year, so the National Party sent the chair of the NZ Racing Board and a member of its board, Glenda Hughes, to investigate what was going on.
    
    She apparently inflamed things and seems to have ended up joining the criticism of Barclay.
    http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1122/
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:08am
- VicParking
  
  Pickle? Up to his nose in shit
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:17am
- KevOB
  
  Why? Todd’s young with a good seat. Some will not like the fact that their preferred candidate, which could be themselves, missed out. Any party’s branch squabbles are not uncommon. Todd has done nothing to resign for but have taken a practical way of getting evidence of bad faith.
  
  It’s election season so all the nonsense will be paraded. Don’t join the opposition games.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:34am
  - Happychappy
    
    And while every man and his dog are having their say on Todd Barclay Winston first is abusing Loyd Burr because he wrote a opinion piece on NZ First that was not to Winston Peters liking. While I am not a great fan of either person no one should be abused in the corridors of Parliament by any MP and he should also be taken to task on this.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Red radio morning report have spent so long going on about it this morning that they expect to announce Barclay’s resignation by the end of their propaganda piece at 9.00
  
  Here’s hoping they are greatly disappointed
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:44am
  - GazzaW
    
    Did you like the ambush job on Nick Smith by Ferguson, Paulus? He was too smart for her.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:26am
    - freethinker
      
      Yes Nick demolished Ferguson and scored a Bullseye hit on Gooffy, something that rarely happens.
      
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      June 21, 2017 2:03pm
- Paulus
  
  Barclay is too young to know that hell hath no fury when you do not like the new boss, and that gives you and the other staff the option to privately and publicly slagg him off.
  This is two year ago but Bradford and her ilk have waited.
  Timing is critical.
  English has not bathed himself with glory either.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:47am
- GazzaW
  
  @eszett
  A bit of a pickle is when you’re running at 6% in the preferred leadership polls.
  
  It’s a shame that our media didn’t focus quite as much on the naked uni student incident at auntie Annette’s house. Now that was a scandal Andrew.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    A SEX scandal!
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:48am
Odakyu-sen

There is no justification for this new centrist position…
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June 21, 2017 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Must we go to the left?
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:09am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy Wassilieff , Willima of Ockham striking Gold from yesterday ,
    
    “Rebuttal ? Anti-matter and doesn’t-matter at wvw.Waggy_WaffleWeed.Con and wvw.All_Red_Herrings.con”
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:35am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      Willima of Ockham may be startled to learn that he’s transmogrified into a LADY.
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:52am
      - sooty
        
        What is it with stephieboy and butts?
        
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        June 21, 2017 10:49am
  - KevOB
    
    I’m centrist, but not in typesetting.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You would have to justify that position
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:52am
    - KevOB
      
      I set a lot right justified. Act I find too narrow minded.
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:42am
Keeping Stock

Dear DPF. Please make the centring of comments disappear. Soon. Please!

And while you’re at it, please do something about William of Ockham. He is nowt but a troll, who is taking the piss and abusing your hospitality.

Thanks, KS
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June 21, 2017 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Even faster than soon for both would be good!!
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:21am
- ztev
  
  There you go KS. You have influence after all.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Unlike you
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:24am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Did you ever doubt it? 😀
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:11am
- Notsofast
  
  William of Ockham is a valuable contributor, Keeping Stock. How would you define a troll? Am I a troll for trying to help you and your Palmerston North friends adjust your lives to the certain knowledge Mark Lundy is about to be exonerated, compensated, and become a loved member of your community??
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Oh bollocks Notsofast. Ockham has boasted that he comes here with the express intention of pissing people off. That’s a troll in my books.
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:12am
    - Notsofast
      
      Maybe, but the party line denying an increase in carbon dioxide levels at 1000 times the rate geological history has ever presented suggests too many people listen to the execrable Leighton Smith who almost claims he created life on the planet. I am totally dumbfounded by the level of debate on this forum, facts are seldom addressed.
      Why?
      I admire DPF for allowing free ranging unmoderated debate, and I have a profound wish there would be respect shown by the contributors by addressing facts.
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:37am
      - Entity
        
        What geological history do you refer to? The one that is billions of years old? Or the one that is thousands of years old?
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        but the party line denying an increase in carbon dioxide levels at 1000 times the rate geological history
        
        Please provide your reference(s) to any publication that states that the rise of CO2 in recent times is 1000X faster than at any other time in Geological History.
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:38am
      - Notsofast
        
        I watched a show on Curiosity channel I think. But the maths is straightforward. We know the pre industrial level was around 250 parts per million and it now nudges 400. I am doing those figures from memory but they matter little. This shows a 60% increase in a few hundred years, which is completely insane. Personally I don’t have skin in the game, and it is great for New Zealand if we prevent immigrants other than Japanese and Mai Chen from landing here.
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:50am
- Nermal
  
  I still think you are all taking the wrong tack with the trolls. They thrive on attention. It’s their raison d’être. Ignoring them will really hurt them. They will likely go nuclear and get themselves banned, or fade into the sunset without a whimper.
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:23am
Peter

Anyone following Jordan Peterson?

Very sharp Canadian academic who absolutely shreds leftism.

Why women don’t tend to occupy positions of power (and why men would even want to):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4-IUsB4ozE
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June 21, 2017 8:12am
- mandk
  
  Peterson is excellent.
  Liberals hate him because he is logical, truthful and reasonable.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
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    The Intellectual Fraudulence of Jordan Peterson (apropos of Daniel Karasik)
    
    http://alexanderofford.com/the-intellectual-fraudulence-of-jordan-peterson-apropos-of-daniel-karasik/
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:38am
    - Peter
      
      That guy misses the point Peterson is making, entirely.
      
      It’s what the law means in practice that is the problem.
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:50am
- Reid
  
  He’s not shredding leftism he’s shredding feminism. And he’s dead right. The reasons he cites in a much more articulate way than I can is why I’ve been telling you since forever that feminism is poison. It takes both women and men away from their essence.
  
  It tells women to be successful they have to be aggressive and competitive like men are and if they don’t act like that they’re oppressed and barefoot in the kitchen waiting for the man to come home and breed the next baby. But as he very astutely says, if you don’t have a family by the time you’re 40 then what the hell are you going to do between 40-80? The essence of womanhood is sacrifice, sacrifice for their family and their husband.
  
  The essence of manhood is to provide for and protect their family.
  
  And feminism is designed to create a society where neither of those things happen.
  
  Always remember, the Rockefeller Foundation created and funded feminism and ask yourself: why is in Western societies and only in Western societies, if it truly is as its sold as: a “universal” “human right?”
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:49am
  - Peter
    
    He shreds leftism in other videos, Reid. He does a better job of exposing the fraudulent left-wing ideology than most.
    
    There’s a good one here about the evil of communism (and how kids are never taught it by embedded “academics”):
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKRTvHrEJ4
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:59am
    - mandk
      
      Peterson’s characterisation of middle class socialists is brilliant: “they don’t like the poor; they just hate the rich”
      
      It reminds me of all those Greenies, sons and daughters of lawyers and doctors, who loathe economic progress and protest about it wearing artificial fibres and waving plastic placards painted with petrol-chemical paints.
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:14am
      - Peter
        
        The hippies never really went away.
        
        But this latest incarnation seem especially mindless. I guess because they have been indoctrinated by “teachers” who know nothing of history, or who do, but deliberately censor it.
        
        They’re welcome to reject capitalism and materialism, but I just wish they’d actually practice it. Preferably in Venezuela.
        
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        June 21, 2017 9:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid ,
    
    “The essence of manhood is to provide for and protect their family.”
    
    In thr age of AI and Robotics that will be even harder to do .
    
    Alternative ? Your alt right version of strict sharia ?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:07am
    - ztev
      
      yeah . Must be just a coincidence that his ideas of a womens role are just what men want.
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:17am
      - Entity
        
        Ztev,
        What a load of rubbish. You are making it sound like that woman have no choice in how they live their lives. In most cases, woman are quite happy to make the sacrifice for their families. If they don’t, her children will grow up to be ignorant lefties like you.
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:41am
VicParking

RNZ “change the government” update.
Angry Andy live, Todd’s (who is Todd?) police notes which the MSM has had since March are a breaking story. Bill targeted. Labour Mayor of Auckland has joined the attack.
PS: secret recordings of politicians, ok if the left do it.
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June 21, 2017 8:15am
- peterwn
  
  And very OK if media cameramen do it, especially when the PM is having a cup of tea.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:30am
  - ztev
    
    You mean a cup of tea that was especially put on for the media !
    remember the search warrants the police used to try to get hold of the tape?
    Its different when a national MP does it
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:19am
- srylands
  
  Whenever I turn on RNZ in the car, which is very infrequently now, I get that sick sensation I also get when I visit The Standard.
  
  It was not always like this.
  
  What I don’t get is why the Government doesn’t replace the Board, even one member at a time. I recall the Howard government in Australia doing this to the ABC in 1996.
  
  I like the idea of a commercial free national radio network. But RNZ has become sickening and it is long past the time to to fix it.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:32am
  - GazzaW
    
    There was a single token National spokesperson interviewed for the entire two hours that I was listening to RNZ this morning. Nick Smith was interviewed in response to Twyford’s usual sarcastic rant regarding Point England and Suzie Ferguson abruptly altered course and ambushed Nick Smith and asked him about the Todd Barclay ‘storm’. I rather suspect that RNZ had set him up.
    
    It’s high time for a complete review of RNZ – it’s just a talking book version of the Standard.
    
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    June 21, 2017 11:57am
VicParking

PLEASE GO BACK TO LEFT JUSTIFED TEXT
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June 21, 2017 8:16am
- cmm
  
  Oh bugger now everything has gone CAPs only too. Worse and worse!
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:48am
B.L.Zeebub

So the Ramadan Bombathon kill count is at 1350 and rising and yet the British media are telling us Muslims are terrified of right wing extremist islamophobes.
The media must think everyone is as fucking thick as they are.
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June 21, 2017 8:16am
- Biscuit
  
  B.L.Zeebub, it’s interesting that (by and large) the British Muslim community bleat ‘Lone wolf! We had no idea!’ about Muslim fundamentalist terrorism in the UK – implying that we should just accept things as they are and move on – but moan like b*ggery when a right-wing extremist Islamophobe does HIS ‘Lone wolf!’ thing…
  
  Then, of course, one act becomes an attack against Islam itself and is to be roundly condemned by all.
  
  Consistency?
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:39am
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Delete this line in the css file
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/themes/kiwiblog2016/style.css?ver=1472777949

Line number 290
.post .postsecs .postsec.ad {text-align:center;}
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June 21, 2017 8:18am
- rangitoto
  
  DPF getting free tech support. Well done
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:24am
  - srylands
    
    I see the world’s greatest sysop didn’t rush to the rescue.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:33am
- thedavincimode
  
  thx but errr, it highlights but the magic key doesn’t work ??? can’t insert cursor either (as the actress said to the bishop)?
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:27am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Well done. Is there also a line of code we can change that will right align the National Party?
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:37am
  - VicParking
    
    National are left enough. Pity that Changing their css file to {text-align:centre} wont make they move to the centre again
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:56am
Left Right and Centre

Where are Greens going to put all of these frickin climate change refugees ?
Grenfell Towers ?
Greenfilled Towers – made from old milk containers ?
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June 21, 2017 8:21am
- ross411
  
  Not in their own backyards, that’s for sure.
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:58am
kowtow

Taken a while for this to come out,

“Firefighters had put out the initial fridge fire at Grenfell Tower and were leaving the building when the blaze suddenly flared up, it has emerged.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/20/grenfell-tower-firefighters-put-fridge-blaze-just-leaving-flats/
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June 21, 2017 8:22am
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Kowtow,
  
  It wasn’t a “fridge fire” – the Ethiopian Man responsible for the fire was cooking a post fasting Ramadan feast on an open fire in his flat using propane.
  
  The MSM and authorities are covering this up and blaming an “exploding fridge” as it fits the narrative of “evil Tory cuts” and “blame whitey” rather than “what the hell exactly are these 3rd worlders doing with their primitive practices being housed in the most expensive borough in the UK on the back of the British taxpayer”.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/terror_strikes_again_in_london.html#comment-1953398
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:27am
  - KevOB
    
    Was the fridge running on kerosene instead of electricity? Possible but highly unlikely. I believe that domestic fridges have non-flammable refrigerant gases.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:48am
    - ztev
      
      No they plug them in just like you do
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:20am
      - ztev
        
        gee look at this NZ Fire Service list of Fire related product recalls
        http://www.fire.org.nz/Research/Research-Investigation/Pages/NewZealandFireRelatedProductRecalls.html
        
        LG Side by Side Fridge
        
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        June 21, 2017 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO,
    
    This sums up the mentality of the Comments in response to John Collin’s grunting ,
    
    “Why the fuck do we have to endure having these filthy sub humans living amongst us? They need to be rounded up and deported immediately. And that filthy paki mayor Khan should shut his fucking gob too!!”
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:14am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Cooking at 1.00am? I guess we can add another 79 to this year’s Ramadan death toll.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:29am
    - Gabby
      
      Come ON, pricky – who amongst us hasn’t chivvied the butler into rustling up some crepes after a night on the tiles with our hedge fund chums?
      
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      June 21, 2017 12:02pm
  - sam green
    
    You’re making shit up EAD TWO. Despicable you.
    
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    June 21, 2017 11:30am
    - ross411
      
      You’re making it up that he’s making it up. Despicable you.
      
      Just because you want to moral grandstand that he’s making it up, because it doesn’t fit your moonbat viewpoints, does not mean he’s making it up. Rein it in bud.
      
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      June 21, 2017 11:59am
      - sam green
        
        Your making it up that I’m making it up that EAD_TWO is making shit up. Despicable you ross4711.
        
        He’s referenced other people who make shit up too. Spooky people.
        
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        June 21, 2017 2:11pm
- holysheet
  
  I think you will find it was arson. Given that most of the residents were imports from countries that follow the paedophile priest, it’s no surprise that the car attack on the same group of people happened soon after.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:28am
  - Inandout
    
    Is that why the tenant of the offending flat was seen scuttling off with only his worldly goods?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:02am
    - Rich Prick
      
      His wives are safe then?
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:16am
    - Paulus
      
      At times the fire escape was blocked by people with their luggage.
      They will never know how many people were there because a number ran so that they would not come to the attention of the authorities.
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:29pm
All_on_Red

Hey Dennis, the Models are wrong, Research Paper by Ben Santor too.
‘A scientific consensus has emerged among top mainstream climate scientists that “skeptics” or “lukewarmers” were not long ago derided for suggesting — there was a nearly two-decade long “hiatus” in global warming that climate models failed to accurately predict or replicate.A new paper, led by climate scientist Benjamin Santer, adds to the ever-expanding volume of “hiatus” literature embracing popular arguments advanced by skeptics, and even uses satellite temperature datasets to show reduced atmospheric warming.
More importantly, the paper discusses the failure of climate models to predict or replicate the “slowdown” in early 21st century global temperatures, which was another oft-derided skeptic observation.

“In the early twenty-first century, satellite-derived tropospheric warming trends were generally smaller than trends estimated from a large multi-model ensemble,” reads the abstract of Santer’s paper, which was published Monday.

“Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed,” reads the abstract.
LOL
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June 21, 2017 8:30am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Blah, blah, blah at www. ALL Red Hearing .con
  
  LMAO
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:41am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck you are intelligent, or not. By all means refute the paper. Unfortunately “blah blah blah” doesn’t quite meet the standard.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:11am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Yeah but at least it spelled ‘blah’ correctly….
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:28am
      - ross411
        
        You assume he was trying to write “blah” and not some coherent sentence instead, and “blah blah blah” was unfortunately the best he could manage.
        
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        June 21, 2017 12:01pm
    - GazzaW
      
      It makes a lot more sense than most of his one-liners.
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    @stephieboy
    
    If you can read the abstract and precis it here you will have proved your competency in climate speak.
    This abstract is particularly obscure.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, the “Consensus scientists” have finally admitted that their models are wrong and the hiatus is real.
  
  Twenty years too late….
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/the-new-consensus-on-global-warming-a-shocking-admission-by-team-climate/
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Yet another pearler from ,
    
    wvw.Waggy_WaffleWeed.Con
    
    More about those so callled 58 peer reviewed research papers ?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So you and William of Ockham are old Punkers
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubivdwm3So
      Enjoy!
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s a link to the full paper
    
    https://sci-hub.io/10.1038/ngeo2973
    
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    June 21, 2017 1:53pm
  - William of Ockham
    
    Bullshit.
    
    Pity you hadn’t learned how to actually recognise science when you see. Only a gullible twerp would quote twattsup.
    
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    June 27, 2017 3:13pm
- William of Ockham
  
  The Santer et al paper does not show the models are wrong. You made that up. Not one single scientific institution of society agrees with your fucking lies.
  
  The surface is warming at an alarming rate. The models are deemed skillful. That’s the experts’ opinions.
  
  Only gullible fools listen to your nonsense.
  
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  June 27, 2017 3:09pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not my nonsense.
    
    Take your problem up with the Editor of Nature Geoscience….
    or Ben Santer, Michael Mann, Carl Mears……
    
    You do recognise those names, don’t you?
    Here check it all out
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/19/take-a-look-at-the-new-consensus-on-global-warming/
    
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    June 27, 2017 3:20pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Telling lies again Dr Maggy Wassilieff Phd
      You are really a piece of work.
      Santer et al paper points out that once actual forcing are included the models are right.
      We don’t have a magic globe that predicts sun activity volcanoes or the SOI with the first two they use an average number the last is generated by the models themselves but does not necessarily coincide with nature .
      Once model output is correct for such natural fluctuations they are spot on .
      
      ROFLMAO
      The daily caller for science.
      What a whacko.
      
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      June 27, 2017 3:30pm
Jack5

Vote Green, and you vote for higher Muslim immigration, perhaps for seriously higher Muslim immigration.

The Greens are pushing hard their policy of Open the Border wider as the run-up to the election begins. One of the most visible signs is the campaign tour of the country by one Murdoch Stephens.

There will be loads of free publicity for this campaign as compliant liberal media accept suggested photo opportunities of Stephens, local ethnic immigrants, and posters. Our media like ethnic photos and protest photos. Ethnic protest photos are double whammies.

With the pictures will be interviews with recently settled refugees who will will tell you readers and listeners – their hosts – why New Zealand must let in thousands more of their compatriots.

Our Left-leaning media won’t regard reporting and pictures of the Stephens events to be part of the Greens’ fair proportional share of election coverage. And if you criticise the coverage, more zealous Greens and Leftists may well brand your views as “hate speech”.

But here’s what Stephens wants, in his own words, as printed in a Stuff article:

Germany’s population is 20 times ours and this year they’re accepting 800,000 asylum-seekers, which per capita in New Zealand would be 40,000.

Is Stephens seriously suggesting 40,000 Muslim refugees a year for New Zealand? As Stephens bases this on our present total population, going forward the quota would rise in the way that compound interest rises.

Leaving aside non-refugee immigrants, maintaining this rate of refugee intake would add 417,000 people to the national population over 10 years.

Stephens, you can stuff that suggestion in a bong and smoke it while your MSM fans hum Kumbaya.

The article describes Stephens’s occupation this way:”[He]tutors a Massey University media-skills course.”

What is it about Massey University and multiculturism? Once an internationally reknown centre of agriculture research and teaching, Massey now seems to regard itself a centre for multiculturism – a set of beliefs that stem from the foggy ideology of neo-Marxism.

But as for media skills, Stephens knows how to charm from journos steadily declining news space.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/333457/everyone-deserves-a-good-life
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June 21, 2017 8:37am
- Jack5
  
  The Greens aren’t the only organisation making refugee immigration a political issue. The Red Cross is pushing the barrow for higher refugee intake.
  
  So yet another registered charity, and once great do-good organisation, plays politics.
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:42am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Jack 5 , steady on there . Keep your paranoia in check !
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:03am
    - Biscuit
      
      What’s paranoid about Jack5’s comment, stephieboy?
      
      Do you not think it strange that Saudi Arabia hasn’t offered to take a single one of all these refugees?
      
      Wouldn’t you think that a rich, Islamic country like them – loads of space – would rush to assist … and wouldn’t you think that the refugees themselves, largely Islamist, would love to live so much closer to Mecca and Medina?
      
      That the Red Cross is involved simply makes me switch off vis-a-vis any funding of them.
      
      Did you know that there IS an organisation called the Red Crescent? Muslim-focussed and, presumably, funded?
      
      And quite why the Green Party here are so keen on thousands of refugees coming here is similarly baffling given their ‘We’re full!’ strategy on almost every other subject…
      
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      June 21, 2017 9:49am
  - Inandout
    
    Yep, even their logo has gone native. A sure sign the marxists have taken over. Still waiting for the first private company, such as the Warehouse, to include the Maori sub title ‘te whare putunga’.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 ,
  
  ” Is Stephens seriously suggesting 40,000 Muslim refugees a year for New Zealand? ”
  
  As far as I’m aware the answer is NO . The rest is utter drivel of Dunedin becoming the Medina or Mecca of the South Pacific variety ?
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:02am
  - RalphT
    
    I would be happy with the 40,000 suggested if we dropped it back by one digit. I suggest we remove the 4 and agree to to 0,000 Muslim refugees each and every year.
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:34am
- KevOB
  
  Those of us who remember the post war immigration waves know of the re-settlement havoc that caused. Some expressions about the working, when not striking, English still remain. It was difficult adjusting to settlers with whom we shared a common background. The wisdom was to avoid others. That remains. Ghettos are easy to create but not integrate. Even State Advances (now Housing Corp) purposely created one from Maori in Porirua so as not to disturb other suburbs.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:04am
  - Happychappy
    
    People forget when they were bringing Chippies, Bricklayers Plasters and Soccer Players from the Motherland back in the Fifties and Sixties the talk about we are bringing union miltants and how it was hurting our employment. Then a few years later it was to wage war on all the Islanders that were taking our jobs and the damage they were doing to society and now it is the Muslim and how they could ruin our country with terrorism. As these people arrived on our shore they a were given a nickname by different generations, Two Bob Poms, Coconuts and Rags Heads so our outlook has no changed much over 60 years.
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:34am
    - KevOB
      
      The Pommie class wars were small beer compared to Islamic tribalistic religious opposition.
      
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      June 21, 2017 11:52am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Murdoch Stephens!
  
  I was at Otago University with that guy in 2000.
  
  Fits the profile of a SJW Green party member perfect. Bitter, twisted, chip on his shoulder and not able to fit into mainstream society.
  
  Perfect cannon fodder to be brainwashed to hate the Western Patriachial Society that created him.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    EAD TWO , your position statement on the vercity of the Jewish Holocaust WW2 ?
    
    Just checking your capacity for sustained reasoned thinking ?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:22am
    - Entity
      
      I’m surprised you believe in the Holocaust at all.
      
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      June 21, 2017 11:45am
  - Gabby
    
    Didn’t manage to sell him an armband then olfie?
    
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    June 21, 2017 11:58am
- Reid
  
  I think it would be a lot more than 17,000 new births Jack, they breed like rabbits. Ten children in a family is the norm.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:14am
  - itstricky
    
    Like Catholics, you mean?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid ,
    
    “..they breed like rabbits. Ten children in a family is the norm.”
    
    Actual evidence for that say in the Gulf states and Iran or here ?
    
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    June 21, 2017 9:24am
- KevOB
  
  People may “deserve a good life” but they have no entitlement to it as that implies equality for all, in all, which is not the human condition or attainable. If, as it appears, we may be in the midst of a Muslim uprising we must be extra careful not to let compassion blind us to deceit.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:31am
- JIV
  
  And who do you think they’ll all vote for?? Its a clever plan to import Green voters.
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:23am
noskire

If you’re using Chrome, try this plugin to justify the text https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiS2JO2pM3UAhUEE7wKHU3RD34QFgglMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrome.google.com%2Fwebstore%2Fdetail%2Fjustify%2Fodkfbmljaomnibofnefflonfehhbhnoo%3Fhl%3Den&usg=AFQjCNGQk8Gykmw-w5AyrjB-nEq4wksF2A
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June 21, 2017 8:42am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Thank you noskire. 1 bazillion upvotes to you for that
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Magic.
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  Useful for promoting climate change denial vs Creation science and other alt right shibboleths ?
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy
    
    Read the story about the “magical faraway tree” and other climate-change fairy tales.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6738111/Climategate-reveals-the-most-influential-tree-in-the-world.html
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:23am
    - William of Ockham
      
      Climategate? Christopher Booker?
      
      The beat-up of scientists (later vindicated) and the ignorant lying journalist?
      
      And you’re still going on about it?
      
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      June 22, 2017 1:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It doesn’t go away, even though the IPCC has wisely ditched the “Hockey-Stick” graph of Michael Mann.
        It is a fudge to attach actual temperature readings onto tree-ring proxies.
        It is lousy science to rely on 1 tree for your sample.
        
        It is useless biology to think that a tree is a thermometer.
        
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        June 22, 2017 6:21am
dime

jesus. not sure if i have motion sickness or epilepsy.

this centered thing is brutal
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June 21, 2017 8:53am
VicParking

I give up I’ll come back when I can read this blog and know what is new and what is indented.
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June 21, 2017 8:59am
Manolo

The religion of peace insists in spreading love:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/isis-islamic-state-brussels-central-train-belgium-terrorist-attack-explosions-suspect-motive-pictures-photo-video/

A suspected Islamic State sympathizer trying to carry out a suicide bombing was neutralized by Belgian police at Brussels Central Train Station in Belgium. Witnesses say the man shouted, “Allahu Akbar!” or, “Allah is the greatest!” a common, Islamist battle cry.
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June 21, 2017 9:03am
- Peter
  
  Part and parcel of living in a big city. don’t you know.
  
  Make love heart at the sky, light candle, etc…..
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:10am
Peter

I never thought I’d be so happy about a shift to the left.
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June 21, 2017 9:08am
Odakyu-sen

Left of center–the NZ way!
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June 21, 2017 9:13am
rightoverlabour

The centering thing has gone? Mine looks fine now. ( wonder how many downticks this will generate?)
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June 21, 2017 9:17am
zonic

Thoughts on nick smith please
I am biased on the subject matter but surely this guy is going too far yet again? looking for some objectivity.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201848280/govt-accused-of-micro-managing-pt-england-housing-development
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June 21, 2017 9:45am
- Happychappy
  
  Sonic: You should have watched Parliament Question Time Yesterday then because Labour and Glamour Boy Phil got a lesson on that same subject. And I have to say I am not a fan of Nick Smith.
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:34am
  - zonic
    
    this one – https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=182354
    Not sure if I would agree it was a lesson.
    QT is kind of like how to not answer the question in some ways, I guess QT is pure politics show pony stuff. NS seems to be good spinning stuff to suit his arguments, but he even borders on lies.
    
    For one, in this particular case, he is saying they are “retaining” playing fields – but he is the one taking them away.
    
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    June 21, 2017 12:25pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I might be wrong but did you not ask pretty close to the same Question in one of your first ten post of the fifty five odd you have made on kiwiblog.
      
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      June 21, 2017 12:40pm
      - zonic
        
        I don’t believe so as this is new material from NS. But I can see how you might say it is related as it relates to the govt selling kids playing fields and public reserves.
        
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        June 21, 2017 12:57pm
Huevon

The Western ideal is the courageous man who tells the Truth.

The Islamic ideal is the man who submits.
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June 21, 2017 9:45am
- Reid
  
  No, the Western ideal is the “courageous” wimmin who “conquer” men.
  
  At least that’s what it is in our poisoned, culturally marxist society of today. Not what it should be, but it’s what it is.
  
  Guess why?
  
  Because this place very much lacks courageous men who not only tell the truth but are willing to stand against the tide and say it.
  
  And many of you are in this boat, because most of you just quietly go along with the next slice of the elephant, as most of you did with gay marriage. And you’ll do it again, and again, and again.
  
  When you’re old and your grandchildren ask you what it was like in the olden days, you’ll probably wake up and regret your cowardice and lack of foresight and wisdom, as you contemplate the future you’ve allowed to happen for them.
  
  That’s the sad part.
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid ,
    Me Tarzan You Jane ?
    
    DUH !
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:27am
    - Reid
      
      DUH !
      
      Fuck you’re funny stephie.
      
      (You don’t get that, do you mate.)
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:55am
Odakyu-sen

The term “nationalism” has many negative connotations. Instead, I want to introduce a term commonly used in Japan, namely “nation building.”

Some key points to nation building.
– Houses are for nesting; not investing
– A stay-at-home parent is essential for raising pre-school children
– Families look after their elderly parents
– Strong families make for solid communities and a healthy nation

(Ironically, Japan has yet to recover from the recession that began in 1992, and is a rapidly aging society. Things are looking grim, but in 30-40 years they should sort themselves out. What state will Europe be in by that time?)
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June 21, 2017 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Maybe Japan needs to take in more Refugees
  http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/20/national/japan-take-150-syrians-exchange-students-criticism-harsh-refugee-policy/#.WUmZJSN941A
  
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  June 21, 2017 9:53am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maggy,
    
    As you know, Japan has this “purity” thing going. Despite Japanese society having more genetic diversity than many other parts of continental Asia (due to successive waves of immigrants from Asia to the Japanese archipelago) Nihon has not really thrown off the isolationist mindset that developed while the country was closed (from the Closed Country Edict of 1635 until Commander Perry showed up with his Black Ships in Shimoda in 1868).
    
    As a result, most Japanese feel (deep down) that to have more foreigners (aka Koreans, Chinese and Brazilian-Japanese) will weaken the cohesion of Japanese society.
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      And 120 Million people on islands hardly bigger than NZ
      
      Duh !
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:30am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It’s worse than that, stephieboy.
        
        Comparing the geography of Japan with that of NZ:
        Forest cover
        Japan: 67% NZ: 32%
        (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_forest_area)
        
        Most of the Japanese cities are concentrated on the ocean side or in the valley planes. Not only are there many more people than in NZ, the cities in Japan have a far higher number of people per square km.
        
        Having said that, there is depopulation on the Northern Pacific coast, north Honshu and in the rural villages.
        
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        June 21, 2017 10:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @odakyu-sen
      
      Each time I head over to S.Korea, I try and get in a week or so in Taiwan, before I head home…
      As much as I like being in S.K., I need a bit of time in the company of fellow humans that reflect a greater variety in shape and style.
      
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      June 21, 2017 11:18am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Japan has its social problems.
    Here is an English video that delves into the presence of MGTOW in Japan. It covers a lot of topics. Herbivorous men, carnivorous women–I am glad that I am not a young male in Tokyo any more.
    Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZzRJHNWwWc
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:27am
    - Reid
      
      Your biggest problem is your marraige and birth rates O-s.
      
      Japan is subject to Western values, Japanese style, is why.
      
      Because you lost the war.
      
      That’s why you have so much porn, for one example.
      
      Your society has been poisoned.
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:57am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Ah, the War…
        Reid! Come over here for a moment. I want to let you into a little secret of Japanese pop culture that is not widely known in English-speaking circles.
        
        (Reid looks nervously in my direction…)
        
        Have you ever heard of the anime series “Konpeki no Kantai” (The Deep Blue Fleet).
        (If you like alternative histories, you will love this series.)
        Here’s the link to an American affectionado’s informative description of the 1993 series (that was never aired on TV for obvious reasons): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQfwwX1o2Qo
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:39am
DifferentPerspective

Red pill for Finsbury Park outraged Leftists

I know the logic and rational questioning contained in this won’t make one whit of difference to our resident muslim apologists – but – the stark contrast between the way muslim terrorist attacks and the awful Finsbury Park attack shows how much we’re being lied to and how broken the Left’s moral compass is.
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June 21, 2017 9:50am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/93906154/belgian-police-neutralise-person-after-reports-of-explosion-at-brussels-central-station

There we go again… you can set your watch by these.
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June 21, 2017 9:52am
- Peter
  
  What’s the Ramdamadan Body Count this year?
  
  For a religion of peace, it sure is explode-y….
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:53am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The “I Survived Ramadan 2017” tee shirts go on sale this Saturday. The final body count will be in then. It does look like the virgins will be in short supply this year.
    
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    June 21, 2017 11:05am
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https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/20/35006?slug=english-barclay

Comment: Bill English’s worst day as PM

“Bill English’s decision to turn a blind eye in early 2016 to Todd Barclay’s revelation to him about illicitly recording staff member conversations has come back to haunt the Prime Minister with a vengeance, Bernard Hickey writes.”

When is Todd Barclay going to resign?

When will the Police reopen their investigation?

How big a political dent will Todd Barclay make to PM Bill English’s ‘reputation’ and public perception thereof?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION
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June 21, 2017 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So Penny, you’re obviously an expert on the internal politics of the National Party.
  Do you have a view on the Green’s wish that we should up our refugee intake to 4000 per year?
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:05am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  A precedent has been set Penny, when an alleged journalist taped the then PM John Key and John Banks without their consent or knowledge, the police said ‘move along, nothing to see here’.
  This faux storm will disappear by lunchtime.
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    The Police are being bombarded by anti Barclay sentiment by the anti Government media so they will find anything to reopen the file which they said a few hours ago was closed.
    The media are on to them.
    
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    June 21, 2017 1:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off. No one cares what you think, say or do. No one except a few uppity journalists are going to be even slightly bothered.
  
  Now go and bath and pay your rates.
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  When is Penny Bright going to pay her 10-year rates arrears to the Auckland Council?
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:05pm
- KevOB
  
  When Penny are you going to pay your lawful rates? You present as a sponger not a person of principal.
  
  Todd is irrelevant except to muck-raking political issue makers. Remember Princes Street. What about the mis-speak re Hagaman? And….And…
  
  The left are not clean: my family have had faeces in the letterbox when on the campaign. The caravan was firebombed too on the eve of the election.
  
  It’s not issues that bother the left but denial of their attitudes. That hasn’t changed in over 40 years. There is always some long past grievance or future one in the making for activism.
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:13pm
DifferentPerspective

There goes Hillary’s “I won the popular vote” lie

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear….the facts just keep on proving Trump right. Recent research shows that as many as 5.7 million non-citizen illegal votes may have been cast in the Nov 2016 election. Of course all of them Mexicans might have been rabid, deplorable Trump voters but given the “Wall” and “MAGA” etc only a true-blue pill Libtard would suggest anything other than this evaporates Hillary popular vote victory.

If this gets fixed (and simply – by requiring ID to vote like we have here) then the Trump 2020 victory is going to be even more glorious.

8 more years!
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June 21, 2017 9:59am
- Ross12
  
  Plus remove the approximate 2 million dead people off the rolls.
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:27am
- Scott
  
  Trump has been proved right on a lot of things. I’m amazed at the coverage on CNN right now. I watched 2 hours of Anderson Cooper yesterday and a full 90 minutes was about Trump and Russia. And the one person on the panel called Jeffrey who is a Trump supporter and said there is nothing there was roundly argued with by every other panellist including the host Anderson Cooper himself.
  
  Now on Fox News you might have learned that Trump unveiled an apprenticeship scheme which will provide much-needed training for manufacturing jobs in places like Wisconsin. It’s a really good idea. It’s a really good practical move by Trump.
  
  But you won’t hear anything about it on CNN. Because CNN is consistent. They criticise everything Trump says and everything Trump does. The only exception to the rule is when they ignore things like Trump’s apprenticeship scheme, because they know that will put Trump in a positive light even with liberals.
  
  CNN has been peddling fake news for 2 years about Trump. For one year they said that Trump could not possibly win the primary and then could not possibly win the election. They were totally wrong.
  But rather than learning from their mistake they are peddling the fake news that Trump is a Manchurian candidate who is in league with the Russians and together they stole the presidential election. This fake news is being relentlessly peddled by CNN for hour upon hour.
  
  The question is does CNN have any regard for truth? Or is there only objective to bring down Donald Trump?
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:24am
- ross411
  
  The wall just got 10 feet higher! 😆
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:06pm
cas

Does the Greens 4000 refugees become about 30,000 by the time you add the parents, grandparents, sisters and brothers, aunts and uncles etc under family reunification? I think we should be told
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June 21, 2017 10:00am
- ross411
  
  They have hard-core non-deportation staff members now, who won’t get rid of the bad egg immigrants and refugees. That needs to be fixed before any increase.
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:08pm
DifferentPerspective

Dodgy Obama – proves they did do a Watergate on Trump campaign

So the ‘unmasking’ papers have been moved to the Obama library – and thus aren’t subject to FOIA release as they’re protected for 5 years.

So – this was the last thing they could do to prevent the proof going public!

Where are the MSM on this? This is waaaay bigger than Watergate! Where is WaPo? Oh that’s right – the MSM IS the opposition and this doesn’t play to their anti-Trump narrative!
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June 21, 2017 10:05am
- Ross12
  
  I’m not up with this bit about the library, DP but doesn’t the data that will show up in the Montgomery ( whistleblower) court case get around this , at least to some extent?
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:29am
- KevOB
  
  It smells like obstruction of justice to take the evidence and lock it up.
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:17pm
Reid

The murder of an American Muslim teen in Virginia that leftists blamed on Donald Trump was actually committed by an illegal immigrant.

As soon as this facet of the story became known, leftists suddenly lost all interest in the case. I wonder why?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/june2017/200617_murder_blamed.htm
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June 21, 2017 10:12am
- itstricky
  
  So, basically, she did exactly what ‘cmm’ did the other day when he/she incorrectly presumed that the Finsbury Park driver was Muslim.
  
  You were active on that thread, with ‘cmm’, at the time, and made no comment about ‘cmm’s mistake?
  
  Additionally, I’m not sitting here, telling you that ‘cmm’ speaks for everyone on KB. It’s sad that you pigeon hole everyone.
  
  PS. propagandamatrix. Love it! Chemtrails?
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:32am
  - Reid
    
    You were active on that thread, with ‘cmm’, at the time, and made no comment about ‘cmm’s mistake?
    
    I’m not an SJW therefore I don’t have a driven need to correct everyone on every little thing, I just let people be people. I find the SJW approach to be authoritarian bordering on facistic. Perhaps SJW’s like facism but I try to steer away from it, myself.
    
    It’s sad that you pigeon hole everyone.
    
    It’s sad lefties pigeon hole everyone too: “rich pricks” ring any bells? (Or doesn’t it count when the left do it?)
    
    PS. propagandamatrix. Love it!
    
    Anyone who complains about other articles on a site other than the one linked to is a moron, I call them “little stephies.” It’s like buying a book based on who published it: I won’t buy that one because it’s Penguin. Ah, here’s Doubleday, let’s have that one. Isn’t that like a little stephie? Shawn Herles does it too. Which one would you most want to be like tricky? I mean, “Shawn?”
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:49am
    - sam green
      
      Tricky ain’t no Shawn Herles.
      
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      June 21, 2017 12:14pm
      - itstricky
        
        I think I’m missing a large quotient of religion and conspiracy juice for that role.
        
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        June 21, 2017 1:32pm
    - KevOB
      
      Hear hear.
      I read “facistic” as “farcistic”. The truth will out.
      
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      June 21, 2017 12:20pm
    - itstricky
      
      I’m not an SJW therefore I don’t have a driven need to correct everyone on every little thing
      
      But here you are, posting about one woman who made one mistake, just like cmm, and applying that to all.
      
      Or doesn’t it count when the left do it?
      
      Weird, you didn’t deny that you pigeon hole people and then you proceed to make some generalisation about what I might think, or say, without me saying anything. Double down.
      
      Anyone who complains about other articles on a site other than the one linked to
      
      Wow. You have the audacity to call everyone else ‘the sheeples’ whilst also saying that “anyone who questions a news source is a moron”? Doesn’t that cover just about everyone on KB seeing as “the MSM is a leftie conspiracy” – are we all morons as well as sheeples?
      
      Myself, I’ve not much time for Chemtrails, The Illumnati, or pondering on Hillary’s health (shouldn’t she be dead yet?)
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Joseph_Watson
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:31pm
  - cmm
    
    I corrected my own mistake in minutes. No need for anyone else to weigh in too.
    
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    June 21, 2017 10:51am
    - itstricky
      
      No slight against you cmm, good on you. It happens to us all.
      
      I’m questioning why Reid thinks someone making the same mistake is a much bigger, wider, world defining story.
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:37pm
      - cmm
        
        Here’s the difference:
        
        Journalists have an obligation to be truthful and fix things up when they cock up. They are supposed to perform to higher standard that part-time keyboard warriors.
        
        Where’s the retraction/correction?
        
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        June 21, 2017 3:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  There’s no loser nor bastard in that story, just one protected species taking out another protected species. They lose interest when there’s no bastard to take down.
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA HOUSING: Moody’s Lifts the lid on our banks … ROBERT GOTTLIEBSEN … The Australian

… What happens as the debt finance fuel slows ? …

Moody’s helps lift the lid on local banks’ property exposure … Robert Gottliebsen … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/robert-gottliebsen/moodys-helps-lift-the-lid-on-banking-over/news-story/fa0d36f400895a6b75c8329e70a84b59

Behind the Moody’s downgrading of Australian bank debt is a hidden story of great importance to the Australian economy and to longer-term bank share prices.

Australian banks have had a wonderful time in the last few years as they sold interest only loans to a vast number of investors. A friend of mine went into a big four bank three years ago seeking a loan to buy an investment property and the sales person (whose was paid on commission) tried to talk him into buying five properties. My friend stayed with the one but thousands of others took the “advice” from the bank sales person. And sometimes that sales person worked for a broker who knew where to shop around for loans — again more commissions.

It will be a year or two before we understand just how much bank loan risk was taken on board in the boom. But Moody’s clearly believe the banks went too far.

What makes me think they might be right is that we pushed up dwelling prices via restricting supply, Chinese demand and interest only loan bank lending.

Two of those planks — bank lending and Chinese demand — have been cut back and there are signs of better supply coming online. … read more via hyperlink above …

Australia’s central bank frets on financial stability as household debt mounts … Nasdaq

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/australias-central-bank-frets-on-financial-stability-as-household-debt-mounts-20170620-00029

RBA Keeps Focus on Jobs and Housing Even as Markets Improve – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-20/rba-maintains-focus-on-jobs-and-housing-even-as-markets-improve
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June 21, 2017 10:21am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Australian housing bubble obliterates all records … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
  … behind paywall …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/australias-housing-bubble-obliterates-records/
  
  … Pavletich comments on thread …
  
  WHY ARE OUR BANKS MORE RESILIENT THAN THE IRISH ONES IN 2007 ?
  
  What lessons have been learnt from the collapse of the Irish housing bubble in 2007 … when the average unweighted median multiples of its metros went from 4.7 to 2.8 … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts of in excess of 70 billion euros (about $NZ109 billion) … refer schedule of Demographia Housing Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
  
  What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2007 ?
  
  Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high loan to income lending was a far greater problem than high loan to value lending … and imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times. The Bank of England had earlier capped at 4.5 times. The Annual Demographia Housing Surveys (13 to date) illustrate house prices in normal markets should not exceed 3.0 times annual household incomes requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times.
  
  Currently, the unweighted average median multiple of the Aussie metros is 5.5 … New Zealand 5.9 … way above the Irish 4.7 in 2007 ?
  
  Why are our Banks in a better position to cope than the Irish ones were in 2007 ?
  
  The Irish TV3 Vincent Browne interview of a couple of years ago with Prof Bill Black and others is most interesting viewing …
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
  
  … and it seems the Irish are repeating the mistakes of recent history …
  
  Ireland at risk of creating new property bubble, warns OECD … The Irish Independent
  
  http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/ireland-at-risk-of-creating-new-property-bubble-warns-oecd-35801568.html
  
  This country still needs to get its houses in order ten years after the financial crisis began … Lucinda Creighton … The Irish Sun
  
  https://www.thesun.ie/news/1006506/this-country-still-needs-to-get-its-houses-in-order-ten-years-after-the-financial-crisis-began/
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Good Lord; we have the Unholy Trinity this morning; Ockham, Bright and Pavletich.
    
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    June 21, 2017 12:07pm
  - Ross12
    
    Hugh , what do you see happening in the Australian housing market over the next few years ?
    Genuine question –I’m not trying to be smart.
    
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    June 21, 2017 12:22pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Don’t expect an answer Ross12. With luck all you’ll get is another diatribe full of links.
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:12pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Ross12 … In my view the Aussie and Kiwi bubbles are in the process of bursting now …
      
      Canada’s Garth Turner I think put it best …
      
      Garth Turners Greater Fool Blog … ‘MAYDAY ?’
      
      http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
      
      … extract …
      
      … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      About Garth Turner … Greater Fool Blog
      
      http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
      
      Greater Toronto, the largest metro in Canada with a population of 6.6 million and a Median Multiple of 7.7 (Demographia Survey) May results were …
      
      Average price drop during May: – 6.2%
      Total sales drop in GTA during May: – 12%
      Drop in sales year/year: – 20.3%
      Average price: $863,910
      Average detached house one-month price drop: –$64,221
      Decline year/year in detached sales: –26%
      Average price reduction (all properties) over one month: –$56,881
      One-month increase in new listings: 19.4%
      Increase in active listings year/year: 43%
      
      … and early indicators for June …
      
      Early numbers hint at larger decline in GTA home sales: expert | CTV News
      
      http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/early-numbers-hint-at-larger-decline-in-gta-home-sales-expert-1.3466439
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:54pm
      - Ross12
        
        Thank you Hugh.
        
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        June 21, 2017 2:40pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Ross12 … I am deeply saddened John Key didn’t get on to this out of the 2008 election … as promised.
        
        There is extensive background material on my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
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        June 21, 2017 4:05pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Housing rents up strongly in Wellington, flat in Auckland and declining in Christchurch | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88407/housing-rents-strongly-wellington-flat-auckland-and-declining-christchurch
        
        Housing rents are rising strongly in Wellington and most provincial centres, are almost flat in Auckland and declining in Christchurch, according to Trade Me Property. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Saving a 20% deposit for a lower-priced home in Auckland would take from 6.3 years to 8.7 years for typical first home buyers on median incomes | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88363/saving-20-deposit-lower-priced-home-auckland-would-take-63-years-87-years-typical
        
        Typical first home buyers in Auckland would have to save for an average of more than seven years to get a 20% deposit for their first home, according to interest.co.nz’s latest Home Loan Affordability Reports. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 21, 2017 4:38pm
DifferentPerspective

Better or worse in NZ schools?

I’m guessing that the proportion in the red would be far higher in NZ schools than in the UK.

Indoctrination by the education system – ex unionist heads the Education Ministry.
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June 21, 2017 10:28am
- itstricky
  
  I’m guessing that the proportion in the red would be far higher in NZ schools than in the UK.
  
  So when are you off to Teacher’s College, DP?
  
  Indoctrination by the education system – ex unionist heads the Education Ministry.
  
  Are you implying some sort of conspiracy?
  
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  June 21, 2017 10:35am
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“Indoctrination by the education system ”

Code for alt rigtht against students thinking for themselves !
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June 21, 2017 10:32am
- Reid
  
  If that’s what it is then why does the left insist so strongly and ubiquitously that all students must comply with the left’s dictates, such as the language dictates so strongly foisted upon them in Canada by legislation even? (see EAD’s post above e.g.)
  
  You call that “thinking for oneself?”
  
  Of course you do.
  
  That’s one reason everyone calls you a moron all the time, stephie.
  
  Only one, mind.
  
  For the rest of you, language is a powerful construct used heavily in social engineering. Denier is an example, this gender crap is the same thing.
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:14am
MrTips

I think I’ve figured out Barclays’s punishment if he doesn’t do the honourable thing…..

Readings from Hugh P and WillofO on auto-play for 10 hours a day until he’s very sorry indeed.

O the humanity….
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June 21, 2017 10:42am
- sooty
  
  Do not forget the lunatic ramblings of the batshit crazy Penny Bright either!
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:05am
- Longknives
  
  Sweet Jesus Mr Tips! You could get a job at Guantanamo Bay with that sort of torture..
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:06am
sooty

Hay, Andy. In a couple of days will be june 23rd, the day that caucus can roll you. It will be interesting times to be had by all.
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June 21, 2017 11:28am
Nick R

Here’s a question – who goes first, Theresa May or Todd Barclay?
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June 21, 2017 11:41am
- ross411
  
  Who cares?
  
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  June 21, 2017 11:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Andrew Little
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:07pm
- m@tt
  
  Barclay will be gone by the end of today. It’s either that or National can kiss good bye to the election.
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:30pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    BE said there would be a statement about Todd Barclay at 2pm.
    
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    June 21, 2017 12:43pm
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    At the very very least he’ll not be standing at the election.
    
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    June 21, 2017 1:25pm
ross411

YouTube is featuring a propaganda video about how great refugees (aka economic migrants, aka 20+ year old “teenage refugees” aka only ~2% of the “refugees” are actual refugees) are, which is rightfully getting hammered. The comments show how ridiculous and out of touch the moral grandstanding video is. Non platitude comments are continually being deleted.

Go over there and downvote this virtue signalling, and moral grandstanding, nonsense.
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June 21, 2017 11:47am
cha

Sessions has lawyered up.

Charles Cooper, the well-known Republican lawyer, wasn’t simply in attendance at U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ congressional hearing one week ago to support his friend. Cooper is Sessions’ personal lawyer, he confirmed in an email Tuesday.

[…]

Cooper’s involvement isn’t that surprising given his public appearance with Sessions on Capitol Hill. Lawyers typically consult counsel before testifying, so that they can prepare adequately.

But a continuing attorney-client relationship between the attorney general and a private lawyer could signal they expect additional perilous legal questions—including from Robert Mueller III’s special counsel investigation.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202790695886?slreturn=20170520202026
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June 21, 2017 12:23pm
publicwatchdog

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93908848/backbench-mps-stand-by-barclay-ministers-less-solid

“PM says Todd Barclay resignation is on the cards”

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki
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June 21, 2017 12:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We know how to read stuff, you stupid woman, you don’t need to repeat it to us unless you take great delight at any chink in National’s armour.
  Watch Parliament at 2:00.
  
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  June 21, 2017 12:41pm
  - sooty
    
    2017 Independant Candidate for Tamaki.
    You are a funny bunny. You should be a comedian.
    
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    June 21, 2017 12:56pm
    - RalphT
      
      Well, she’s half way there; we all laugh at her.
      
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      June 21, 2017 1:58pm
Manolo

Islam continues to breed lone wolves….fast:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4622952/Explosion-reported-Brussels-central-station.html

A suspected suicide bomber who reportedly shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ before triggering an explosion at Brussels Central Station has been gunned down and killed by soldiers.

Shots rang out soon after 8pm on Tuesday as police and soldiers moved in to ‘neutralise’ the man, who was said to be ‘threatening rail passengers’ in what is being treated as a terrorist incident.

The attacker’s body was left lying in the station for several hours as medics could not approach him for fear that the explosives strapped to him could go off any second, official authorities said.
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June 21, 2017 12:45pm
- Fletch
  
  The man in the street knew stuff like this was going to happen as a result of importing these migrants. Why didn’t the powers-that-be? Too interested in virtue signaling and being PC. Total lack of common sense.
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:11pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Don’t know why Medics would bother. Terrorists need to be shot dead at every opportunity. Police have an obligation to ensure that there is no chance of survival. Double tap to the chest followed by double tap to the head. Should be standard training.
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:33pm
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URGENT! Request for Minister Simon Bridges as Leader of the House to ensure the Pt England Development Enabling Bill is NOT progressed through the House.

21 June 2017

‘Open Letter’

Minister Simon Bridges,
I have just contacted the Speaker’s Office, regarding the progressing of the Point England Development Enabling Bill, when information upon which this Bill is based is factually inaccurate.

I call on you as Leader of the House to ensure this fundamentally flawed legislation is NOT progressed through the House.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation/ anti-Corruption campaigner’

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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June 21, 2017 12:57pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Penny, do you think that the Leader of the House is likely to take the slightest bit of notice of a deranged, activist rates-dodger?
  No, neither do I.
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:04pm
- Swifty
  
  Why do you have a small ‘p’ in privatisation, but a big ‘C’ in Corruption?
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:14pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:31pm
- stigie
  
  Fucking nuts Penny, just nuts !~
  
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  June 21, 2017 4:15pm
cha

I guess we’ll find out just how committed to their 2nd amendment rights they are when it’s them sharing the same space as could be loons/hotheads packing.

Congress is considering new legislation that would permit lawmakers to carry a concealed firearm wherever they perform official duties across the United States, according to a copy of the new bill that marks an unprecedented effort to help lawmakers confront a growing threat to their safety.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/congress-pushes-bill-let-lawmakers-carry-concealed-weapons-anywhere-u-s/
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June 21, 2017 1:07pm
Fletch

Look, our Israel-censoring Wellington City Council made it onto Truth Revolt.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/kids-production-joseph-musical-removes-israel-lyrics
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June 21, 2017 1:12pm
- Harriet
  
  Bet it hasn’t yet made the desk of the new human rights commissioner….as Jews have few rights in NZ……..expressing their history to children is now a no no in Wellington.
  
  But if it was a Palestinian song……the new commissioner would have voiced a view to the public by now……even given that Palestinians aren’t a race! 😎
  
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  June 21, 2017 2:09pm
  - sooty
    
    Famous the world over. Not what she planned, when she changed the words.
    
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    June 21, 2017 4:41pm
MrTips

Man, didn’t think the threat of Hugh and WillO readings would work that fast. See ya Barcs.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93908848/backbench-mps-stand-by-barclay-ministers-less-solid

Mind you we could put Trent Boult in his place and the electorate would not notice the difference.
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June 21, 2017 1:33pm
big bruv

Has Barclay been sacked yet?
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June 21, 2017 1:40pm
- renderer
  
  Not standing in the election
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:42pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this?

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93908848/backbench-mps-stand-by-barclay-ministers-less-solid

“Embattled MP Todd Barclay to stand down at September election”

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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June 21, 2017 1:43pm
- renderer
  
  Are you some kind of political whore? you stand all over the place. Bloody near as bad as Shadbolt
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:45pm
  - RalphT
    
    At least he wins.
    
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    June 21, 2017 1:56pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks Penny, don’t know how we would have found out if you hadn’t told us.
  Now tell us you’ve paid your rates.
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:48pm
  - stigie
    
    Penny pay her 10 years of rates ?? Bwahahahaha
    
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    June 21, 2017 4:18pm
- thedavincimode
  
  What about the waterworks? That’s what the man in the street wants to know.
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:08pm
  - stigie
    
    The man in the street knows she gets her allocated 1 litre per minute Davinci..?
    
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    June 21, 2017 4:21pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yes and quite frankly we don’t care. Now Fuck Off.
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:29pm
Happychappy

Todd Barclay has decided not to stand as a candidate for National at the up coming Election but will stay as a MP until September the 23rd General Election.
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June 21, 2017 1:46pm
- RalphT
  
  Good to see this resolved quickly rather than dragging on for weeks or months. Most people will have forgotten about it/moved on come 23 September.
  
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  June 21, 2017 1:48pm
Manolo

Obama’s home state is broke: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/20/illinois-careens-into-financial-meltdown-and-not-even-lottery-is-safe.html

Illinois is grappling with a full-fledged financial crisis and not even the lottery is safe – with Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner warning the state is entering “banana republic” territory.

Facing billions in unpaid bills and pension obligations, the state is hitting a cash crunch that is rare even by Illinois standards.
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June 21, 2017 2:39pm
LisaGinNZ

FYI – If you are a USA Democrat “leader” looking for a WIN, you can spend 30 MILLION bucks in a campaign to try and get someone (Jon Ossoff-D) elected in a special election in the state of Georgia!

…. Oh… wait……. it didn’t work… 30 million D bucks down the drain … (he he, snicker snicker…)

Congratulations to the winner Karen Handel (R)!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/20/special-election-ga-06-karen-handel-vs-jon-ossoff-results-and-open-discussion-thread/
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June 21, 2017 3:21pm
- cha
  
  Republicans had to spend nearly $25 million dollars in an electorate they’ve held for more than forty years to defeat an unknown 30 year old, running against a career politician, who’d never run for office before.
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:40pm
  - Ross12
    
    No cha , as of 31/5 the Democrats had raised $23 mill and the Rep $4.5 mill. ( The Dems had spent all but $1 mill and the Rep had $1.5 mill still to spend of their figure)
    The Democrats received 9x more from California than they did from Georgia.
    
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    June 21, 2017 4:03pm
    - cha
      
      Out of state spending by Republicans brings the party spend to nearly $25 million to hold onto a seat they’ve owned for more than forty years.
      
      All told, groups supporting Handel are behind the vast majority—by more than $19 million—of the roughly $27 million in outside spending that’s been reported in the race. In Ossoff’s corner, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the party’s House elections arm, has dished out more than $5 million for political ads. The rest of his external support has come from progressive groups like the Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood and labor unions.
      
      http://www.newsweek.com/georgia-runoff-date-looming-republicans-spend-big-beat-back-ossoff-627346
      
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      June 21, 2017 4:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        This chart sets it out a lot clearer.
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCd8dvJUMAQT3lq?format=jpg&name=large
        The Dems spent over 30 mio and lost.
        Huge money though but that’s 5 Special seat elections the Dems have lost. That must grate.
        
        “Prediction: this election will prove to be the harbinger of the $300 million campaign for Scranton County dog catcher”
        David Burge- heh
        
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        June 21, 2017 5:31pm
      - Ross12
        
        cha
        It’s not worth a “slanging match” over it but obviously the figures I gave are only those that the candidates raised and spent themselves. Together with the summary AonR gives in his post this link gives quite an extensive breakdown for the whole election process –elections are obviously good business for some people !!
        https://www.issueone.org/money-behind-expensive-u-s-house-race-history/
        
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        June 21, 2017 5:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The other thing is that the Democrats have made these Elections a Referendum on Trump and a pointer to what might happen in 2018.
        Well, short answer.
        They lost, Trump is still winning in 2017.
        
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        June 21, 2017 6:43pm
      - cha
        
        This chart sets it out a lot clearer.
        
        Outside help.
        
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        June 21, 2017 11:19pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Did you see this Penny Bright ( Loser in the upcoming Tamaki Election) ? Yup and the best line in the BBC reporting is “Republicans have won congressional elections in Georgia and South Carolina seen by many as a referendum on Donald Trump’s presidency.”
  
  So why does everyone in the MSM tell us how badly Trump is doing? 8 More years of Liberal Left Suffering…
  
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  June 21, 2017 3:55pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  This is worth looking at, especially the tweets
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/20/georgia-special-election-livewire-democrat-ossoff-versus-republican-handel/
  
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  June 21, 2017 4:45pm
SPC

All hail the great scientist, if we do not follow his advice we will be doomed in 30 years time.

If we act on it (believe in him), then he will die knowing he has “saved the world”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11879974

Reminds me a lot of a Jewish Rabbi who tells the Jews who their Messiah is, if they believe him he knows he is recognised by them as the great rabbi worthy of living in such a time and anointing this Messiah – now if only their God would then grant the Rabbi’s chosen one victory over the Gentiles this might amount to something, or not … .
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June 21, 2017 4:16pm
MickMac

DOOR TO ALLAH!

great read.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.nz/2017/06/no-allah-please-were-british.html
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June 21, 2017 4:48pm
publicwatchdog

Here’s how MPs were misled, in my opinion, and given inaccurate advice regarding the Point England Development Enabling Bill.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/Point%20England%20Development%20Enabling%20Bill.pdf

“The development land adjoins housing owned by the Tāmaki Redevelopment Company that is due for redevelopment as part of the regeneration of the Tāmaki area.

A new housing development on the development land will result in new homes being made available that could rehouse existing Tāmaki Redevelopment Company tenants and therefore assist the regeneration.

….”

The Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd owns NO houses and has NO tenants.

This ‘Tamaki Regeneration’ has been, in my opinion, a massive $1.6 billion $CAM.

The real aim has been gentrification of Tamaki.

Don’t you think that MPs would be given correct information before they passed legislation?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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June 21, 2017 4:48pm
- stigie
  
  The real $CAM is Penny Bright bludging services off the AC and not paying for them leaving the other decent ratepayers to carry the can !~
  
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  June 21, 2017 5:17pm
  - nasska
    
    Never mind the scam. The real delusion revolves around the fantasy that a small percent of this blog’s readers give a stuff about Tamaki.
    
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    June 21, 2017 5:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  At least gentry pay their rates unlike certain bludgers.
  
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  June 21, 2017 5:21pm
- Nostradamus
  
  On more pressing matters, Penny, have you had a bath today?
  
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  June 21, 2017 5:32pm
  - stigie
    
    At one litre per minute, you had better wait till next week..?
    
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    June 21, 2017 5:40pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    If my reading of the moon cycles are correct Nostra, and adding to that the previously known water usage and flow rates at the hovel,
    
    Penny is due to bathe again in 2020
    
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    June 21, 2017 5:49pm
nasska

…..”Penny, have you had a bath today?”…..

She’s scenti mental. 🙂
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June 21, 2017 5:38pm
- sooty
  
  Penny, you do not matter. All you are going to get in votes is exeactly what you got in the past. Sweet bugger all. From memory your best was 135 votes. Idiot!
  
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  June 21, 2017 8:52pm
EAD_TWO

BOYCOTT BEN AND JERRY’S

After the spate of terrorist incidents and rapes across the West, you’d think we might want to pause and take stock of what the hell is going on but not according to eternal revolutionaries Ben & Jerry’s are pushing for the west to take even more Refugees:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-jerrys-together-for-refugees_us_59483460e4b0f7875b83e50a

Surely charity starts at home and the owners should put their money where their mouth is?
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June 21, 2017 6:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Religious nutter threatens to execute his 5 year-old son (because the child was running around the Hastings mosque)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93929571/hawkes-bay-father-puts-fiveyearold-son-through-mockexecution-and-laughs
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June 21, 2017 7:16pm
- nasska
  
  There is no act of cruelty that cannot be justified in the head of a religious deviant. So long as one mosque or a church stands no child is safe from this type of sick behaviour.
  
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  June 21, 2017 7:23pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Just curious Nasska – do you include Synagogues on your list given their far higher predication towards child abuse (both historic and current) or is it easier to stick to soft targets?
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/05/rabbi-censure-child-abuse-cover-up-sends-shockwaves-jewish-community
    
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    June 21, 2017 7:32pm
    - nasska
      
      I only missed out citing synagogues as in a NZ sense they are numerically insignificant. My stance is that all religions, especially those with their origins in the ME, represent a danger to the physical, sexual & mental health of kids.
      
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      June 21, 2017 7:40pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Thanks for clarifying Nasska,
        
        I’m a stickler for people applying the same consistent standards to their arguments for which you’d probably agree, many Commentators on Kiwiblog do not! 🙂
        
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        June 21, 2017 7:48pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Question, if this prick has permanent residency and not citizenship, why waste money with incarceration? Just send him back to whatever shithole he came from.
  
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  June 21, 2017 7:35pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I think, but could be wrong, that he is a local.
    
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    June 21, 2017 7:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He may be tangata whenua….
    but the spelling of his first name is uncommon
    ?PI
    
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    June 21, 2017 7:44pm
    - nasska
      
      “Junior” as a christian name hints of PI genes.
      
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      June 21, 2017 7:48pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      It is an unusual spelling , never seen kii spelling before. If he is a tangatawhenua, someone needs to dish out some severe utu.
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:08pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I posted this but in the wrong GD thread earlier today
  
  Guess which religion this fucker is from?? Name: Kiimatangiroa Junior Samuel – so I assumed the special bunch that look after their kids so well, but then the kicker
  ” A father who became upset at his 5-year-old son’s behaviour during prayer time.. ”
  
  “after he and his children had returned from prayers at the Hastings mosque”.
  
  Samuel was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in prison.
  
  Hope he never gets out
  
  Looks like the cancer is affecting any feral group now.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93929571/hawkes-bay-father-puts-fiveyearold-son-through-mockexecution-and-laughs
  
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  June 21, 2017 7:42pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Is this one of those “Maori Muslim” types that we sometimes hear about? There is, believe it or not, an Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association.
    
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    June 21, 2017 8:34pm
    - nasska
      
      I seem to recall that Corrections had a problem with Muslims recruiting within the Napier prison Nostra.
      
      Can’t find a Google link but it would have been about seven years ago.
      
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      June 21, 2017 8:47pm
    - simpleton1
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10690655/Maori-Muslim-backs-Islamic-State
      
      “He has 905 friends on Facebook, many of them Muslim converts from around New Zealand.
      
      The Star-Times revealed 10 years ago that Kireka-Whaanga was visiting prisons as part of a project to convert inmates to Islam. The visits were banned after the article.
      
      A senior Corrections source said there were new concerns that a small number of Maori Muslim inmates were becoming radicalised and might pose a threat on their release.”
      
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      June 21, 2017 10:07pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Nostradamus had not realized same link, to the article of 2/11/2014
        
        “in 2010 was named one of the world’s 500 most influential Muslims by a group in Jordan, one of only two New Zealanders to make the list.”
        
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        June 21, 2017 10:14pm
Reid

I think some gloaters here are hallucinating our Maori brethren are easily susceptible to [certain brands of] Islamic poison, which I think is completely incorrect.

However it occurs some might be.

And given how powerfully capable all Maori are when they get going, and given how evil are [certain brands of] Islamic poison, I think we have a problem worth looking into.

But in this quest it does no good if stereotypes wheel out either in the Maori or Islamic areas, because that’s how lefties like stephie and rednecks operate, one and the same. And are any of us right here right now dumb enough to be in either one of those camps?

So on the assumption none of us are, do we agree this could, if true, represent a significant threat? And if so is it possible we could take a non-judgemental look into it?
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June 21, 2017 9:49pm
Inandout

Back Benchers (belchers), what an ensemble of social misfits that pub attracts. Good God, those young people can’t be this country’s future surely.
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June 21, 2017 10:21pm
Manolo

Allahu akbar, the Muslim way of saying “peace be with you”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4625692/Cob-stabbed-Bishop-Airport-Michigan.html

The FBI is investigating the stabbing of a police officer at Flint, Michigan’s Bishop Airport as a ‘possible act of terror,’ according to reports.

A Canadian man yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’ repeatedly stabbed the officer including in the neck at the airport on Wednesday morning, witnesses told NBC News.
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