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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/19/a-third-of-the-world-now-faces-deadly-heatwaves-as-result-of-climate-change
A third of the world now faces deadly heatwaves as result of climate change

High temperatures are currently baking large swaths of the south-western US, with the National Weather Service (NWS) issuing an excessive heat warning for Phoenix, Arizona, which is set to reach 48.3C on Monday. The heat warning extends up through the heart of California, with Palm Springs forecast 46.6C.

“Dying in a heatwave is like being slowly cooked …

Nearly a third of the world’s population is now exposed to climatic conditions that produce deadly heatwaves, as the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere makes it “almost inevitable” that vast areas of the planet will face rising fatalities from high temperatures …

Climate change has escalated the heatwave risk across the globe with nearly half of the world’s population set to suffer periods of deadly heat by the end of the century even if greenhouse gases are radically cut.

graph: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCsX9nbXYAIK9EM.jpg

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322.epdf?author_access_token=-H1PjA2jcvfMCRnsav_1C9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nlcpopxh1V5GdQz8yAIWjC4EypI9XDfWqMBK8ZqTtVMSQZnmRB3fgQlPS2v1l3vZq4VLHM_7Sca48_uB-ccPQW

Rebuttal? Anti-matter and doesn’t-matter at wvw.Waggy_WaffleWeed.Con and wvw.All_Red_Herrings.con
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Graph world pop by latitude. https://we-explore.com/content/images/screenshot20151027at10.59.43am.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsecTT1SIrg
Richard Alley. Presentation – 3/22/2017
Lycoming College. “The big picture on energy and climate,” discusses the dynamics of how money, jobs, national security, ethics and the environment influence perceptions and decisions about energy.
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June 20, 2017 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  (Ab)normal transmission has resumed.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:02am
  - William of Ockham
    
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    Back by unpopular request!
    
    You nincompoops are so funny. I laugh by Ock off.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:03am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      A Global Warming denialism stance is where gaystream right wingers, who are otherwise in bed with Globohomos, leave themselves wide open to Leftoids landing repeated punches on them.
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:24am
      - sam green
        
        WTF is a globohomo?
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:38am
- pdm
  
  Bills back – bugger.
  
  First downtick for day utilised.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:04am
  - William of Ockham
    
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    Well done! Clever boy!
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:06am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “Rebuttal? Anti-matter and doesn’t-matter at wvw.Waggy_WaffleWeed.Con and wvw.All_Red_Herrings.con”
      
      Pure Gold !
      
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      June 20, 2017 8:50am
  - RalphT
    
    Don’t worry, pdm, it’ll soon be over. It’s 8.10 and already there are 13 downticks.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:10am
    - RalphT
      
      See, 8.27 and first one gone.
      
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      June 20, 2017 8:28am
- EAD_TWO
  
  William of Ockham,
  
  Here is a link to the website of the wonderful climate “denier” Jo Nova:
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2012/03/we-are-all-austrians-now/
  
  I suggest you go and learn some real rather than agenda driven science.
  
  It’s no surprise, really, that skeptics of government science would also be skeptics of government money. My message to all the sleeping skeptics out there is: get with the game. When I said climate science is the second biggest scam in history, I wasn’t joking.
  
  Yep – the science of climate is that corrupt.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:15am
  - stephieboy
    
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    EAD, funny money ? This is just hillarious !
    
    Countdown starts to day for again the global economic meltdown ?
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:48am
    - cmm
      
      stephie: I thought you liked brown people?
      
      You do realise that global warming taxes and interference will just cause more brown people to suffer and die?
      
      Here in NZ we’re all rich pricks. We can survive $5/litre petrol. We can survive paying more for our electricity. It would stuff the economy, but we’d survive.
      
      But people in the third world – not so easy. Double the cost of their kerosene and they will just hack down the bush for cooking fires. Less trees, more respiratory illness, and lower quality of life.
      
      Double the cost of transport and there’s no more schooling, etc. Industry fails. Jobs (as limited as they are) take a tumble.
      
      Health declines too due to spreading disease. Ever seen people with dysentery – not pretty.
      
      More civil wars, more mayhem, more disease, more dead people.
      
      Warmists often say we should apply the precautionary principle and shut down civilisation “jut in case”.
      
      No, I say, let’s not cause death and suffering “just in case”.
      
      If you want to want to cause this suffering in the third world, then bring me something more substantial than a polar bear with sun burn.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:13am
      - William of Ockham
        
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        Total fucking nonsense. Solar cheaper than new coal or new nuclear.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:19am
      - cmm
        
        WoO: “Solar cheaper”
        
        Evidence please.
        
        If you want 1GW of solar generation then you also need to build 1GW of some other generation to run when the sun isn’t shining.
        
        Therefore any solar installation really costs as much as the solar plant + its secondary (or really primary) generator.
        
        Therefore it costs MORE than just the primary generator.
        
        Please correct that logic.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:27am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hi CMM No point in arguing with W of O. Truth will prevail. Just down tick and move on. The problem is there are very few warmists presenting good scientific arguments, based on solid raw data to convince me that the current fluctuations are indeed human induced. CFCs could be the culprit as they did increase with the warming and now have been phased out. They trap very different wavelengths to CO2 and could result in added warming.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:51am
      - William of Ockham
        
        Total fucking nonsense. Plenty of evidence around. Look. Useless cant.
        http://reneweconomy.com.au/new-solar-will-be-cheaper-than-old-coal-by-2032-2032/
        https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-analysis-100/
        
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        June 20, 2017 12:07pm
      - cmm
        
        WoO: That reneweconomy article is bullshit.
        
        Even if PV goes to 20c/W (ie. $200M per GW) it still does not work when the sun does not shine and you still need normal generation to provide power 24/7. Therefore you still need all the cost of that extra generation too.
        
        It can never be cheaper because it is not a full solution on its own.
        
        On top of that, coal plants last 50 years or more. PV is 20 years or so. PV needs electricity to purify te silicon, so you end up with a significant % of the electrical output required to keep the system going.
        
        I don’t believe anything that promises something in 15 years. In the 1990s, PV was supposed to be cheaper than coal before 2000, then 2005, then 2010, and now 2032. I’ll rather go get a Tui out of the fridge.
        
        Back in 2005-2009 or so, people were talking about the Smart Grid which would use PV to generate, then store power in everyone’s battery car battery banks. ie. use the car battery banks as a backup for PV.
        
        Three big problems with that:
        1) If you’re using your car battery as a battery bank at night then it is flat when you want to go to work in the morning.
        2) If the sun doesn’t shine that day then your PV charging does not work and you don’t go home that day and there’s no battery power to power the smart grid.
        3) Batteries only handle so many charge/discharge cycles. Using the batteries as “smart grid” storage will halve (or worse) their life. Bloody expensive.
        
        Battery making is terrible for the environment (ie. the muck that comes out is not just water and CO2 – plant food).
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:46pm
- KevOB
  
  Action without proof is at least foolish at worst lunacy.
  
  The towering inferno was caused by green being preferred over fire-proof. Those panels were a sandwich of aluminum alloy (which can mean magnesium) and expanded polyethylene. The latter burns as ethylene gas. Remember the cool store fire in Hamilton.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:17am
  - peterwn
    
    Seems to me that the building as originally design was reasonably fire resistant. Seems apartments were designed so any fire was contained in that apartment. Original exterior cladding was fire resistant so fire could not spread via the exterior. However the new cladding was the equivalent of allowing petrol to trickle down the exterior walls so if it was ignited the whole lot would go up.
    This gave me the idea for a terrorist attack. The terrorists obtain the cladding material as used in that apartment, and disguised as builders, install the cladding on the target building. When they want the building to be destroyed they simply ignite the cladding.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    KevOB , so its not a Gweenie conspiracy after all ?
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:49am
  - trout
    
    The manufacturer of the exterior panels on the tower offered 2 types; ‘pe’ – polyethylene backed or ‘fr’ – fire resistant (probably backed with compressed rock wool or similar). It appears that the client foolishly chose ‘pe’ because it was cheaper (by $3 per panel). I understand that the administration of the tower was taken over by a resident’s cooperative because they were unhappy with how the Council was running it. So the question will be how the budget is spent and who makes the decisions. (‘follow the money’)
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:28am
    - peterwn
      
      Seems that the cladding used is not allowed in USA and some European nations. In UK it is a matter of legal interpretation whether these panels may be used or not. The UK Government has latched on to this and inquiring into this urgently and not waiting for the proposed formal enquiry (this would be constituted similarly to the Clapham Junction train crash enquiry in the early 1980’s conducted by Hidden QC but this will take months). This includes possible criminal action (which would turn on an interpretation of building rules). So it comes down to the designer, supplier of cladding and builder. Also the ‘client’ depending on what decisions the client made including choice of designer.
      The other key aspect is how many other buildings in UK are affected and the best way of dealing with it (note my earlier posting that the cladding in question is equivalent to allowing petrol to continually run down the walls of these buildings).
      This spins off on NZ too – what major buildings have been fitted with this sort of cladding?
      
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      June 20, 2017 11:36am
Paulus Gnome

Just when those among the faithful were wavering, thinking that they are being ignored to the point of disenfranchisement, the Gweens come up with an election strategy to ensure all two tick blue

‘Greens want refugee quota lifted to 5000’

‘To create capacity for the larger refugee intake, it will build a new centre paid for with a cut of the money invested in New Zealand by wealthy migrants.’

‘It also wants to adopt a successful Canadian programme which allows community organisations to take on the responsibility for resettling refugees for a year after their arrival.’

And guess who becomes responsible for the head banging towel heads after twelve months for the next six decades?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11879140

That has got to be enough of a wakeup call to scare all those wuss’s over on the big blubber boy site who moan in a sycophantic manner about how the drunken dwarf will give National the ‘wakeup call’ they need.

Don’t worry about the cost, the gweens are dusting off a printing press in New Lynn as we speak.

What could go wrong?

did my best team but WoO . . . .
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June 20, 2017 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  You’re being a bit harsh, PG. Think of all the benefits this diversity will bring. Don’t you want us to have a rich cultural experience, as enjoyed by those in France, Belgium, Sweden, the UK,…?
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I did!
    
    That was my initial thought and consideration!
    
    But yeah, nah, no thanks, I’ve seen all the kebab shops and burkas I ever need to see, thanks for asking anyway.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    When the Syrians were first being brought to Dunedin by the great and the good the various denominations got together to signal their own virtuousness and divvied up the duties between them.
    
    Catholics will donate cleaning materials…..
    Anglicans this…..
    Presbyterians that…..
    
    For a while the diversity was very apparent as small groups of these exotics could be seen walking round town with their virtuous minders , at the supermarkets , children escorted to the dental school etc
    
    Now the diversity is not so visible …….
    
    …….they’ve all got Moma wagons and gone mobile.
    
    Isn’t Aotearoa great ,where even the poorest and most marginalised can afford their very own set of wheels.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:24am
    - stephieboy
      
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      kowtow , another spurious and pointless anecdoate on your part .
      
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      June 20, 2017 8:52am
    - Scott
      
      Kowtow – agree. To be fair to the Christian churches there is plenty in the Bible about being kind to strangers eg the good Samaritan and looking after the alien and the widow.
      So in being kind to their Muslim neighbours they are honestly doing what they believe Christ would do.
      However a Christian relies on the government to make sound decisions as to who to actually bring into the country.
      The Christian will be kind to his neighbour. It is up to the government to determine who is fit to immigrate to this country and be his neighbour.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        So in being kind to their Muslim neighbours they are honestly doing what they believe Christ would do.
        However a Christian relies on the government to make sound decisions as to who to actually bring into the country.
        
        No, and it is amazing that you have undermined Christ’s teaching of the parable of the Good Samaritan without even realising it. Remember what prompted Christ’s teaching? The question “Who is my neighbour (whom I must love as myself)?” In effect you are wanting the state to choose desirable neighbours whom you will then find it much easier to love!
        
        The flaw in your logic came in that Christians don’t “rely” on the government to make sound decisions in respect of any public policy, including whom to actually bring into the country. Christians can legitimately seek to influence good policy, like any other interest group. But the idea that Christians rely in some special way on Caesar to implement the right policy, be it immigration, taxation, law and order or providing good and desirable neighbours is…heresy, IMHO. God alone is the one on whom we are to rely.
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        Your undermining of Christ’s command in the Parable of the Good Samaritan is also apparent given your insistence in previous posts for a blanket ban on all Muslim immigration, not just legitimate security screening for actual and likely potential terrorists. In effect you are like a Samaritan demanding of his king, “I don’t want to have any Jews for my neighbours” (this eliminating the need to love them as yourself!), or a Jew doing likewise!
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:44am
  - KevOB
    
    Immigration. 72,000, and yet another 5K? Immigration was once used a driver and controller of economic stimulus
    We have a planned resettlement quota at its limits.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:36am
    - stephieboy
      
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      KevOB old cock , the days of an exclsuively dominant red neck NZ have gone forever.
      
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      June 20, 2017 8:53am
      - KevOB
        
        If you had lived a bit longer you would have experienced the planning required for immigrants when we had controlled foreign exchange. Immigrants were costly and that was measured.
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    Maybe we’ll be taking 5000 Western refugees from Sweden, Germany and UK.
    
    That could work.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:30am
    - KevOB
      
      Not at present; we’re loaded to the gunwales with long term immigrants.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:55am
- mandk
  
  So let me get this right.
  
  Labour say they are going to stop students coming to NZ, but they can’t do that because it would cost thousands of TEU members their jobs. So instead they’ll cut the number of working holiday visas, but they can’t do that because there will be no one to pick apricots, cherries, grapes etc. So instead they’ll cut the number of skilled migrants, but they can’t do that because they need to import 10,000 tradies a year to build houses on land they don’t own and haven’t budgetted for.
  
  And now their comrades in the Greens want to bring in 5,000 refugees a year, no doubt followed by their extended family members, and they’ll get rich migrants to pay for it, but there won’t be any rich migrants because they’ll take their money and their businesses elsewhere. But that doesn’t matter because there will still be heaps of eager young Germans ready to harvest the money trees.
  
  No, wait, that’s not going to work …
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    If you know you will never have to deliver on your policies then they don’t have to make sense.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:48am
- G152
  
  I doubt the greens would go anywhere near a printing press.
  1) It’s work
  2) Some of those inks are oil based
  3) It’s work
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:27am
  - stephieboy
    
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    G152 , more gold irony offerings from the loony far right .
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:55am
  - KevOB
    
    Printing money can be done at the Reserve Bank so the Greens don’t have to get their hands soiled.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:05am
- holysheet
  
  The more mussies here means all the lone wolf whitey van drivers will not have to waste fuel and polluting the environment, while looking for them to drive over.
  These gweens are only thinking of the environment.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    holyturd , forget in future your lame and weak humour.
    
    Pathetic !
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:58am
    - pentwig
      
      steffie
      I actually enjoy Holysheets humour.
      You however are humourless, unintelligent and a sad
      abusive excuse for a human.
      Forget in future your inane trolling comments.
      
      Pathetic.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:40am
      - Gabby
        
        That’s an old sock merkin! When did you get that darned?
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:15am
- Southern Raider
  
  How about we agree on the conditions non of the 5,000 can be actively practicing Muslims?
  
  Then watch the Greens squirm
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:11am
- RF
  
  Bat shit crazy…………
  
  Angry will not be pleased as this was not in their agreement
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:39am
- howitis
  
  The Gweens are appealing exactly to their (potential) voters.
  
  Just as Labour got out the yoof vote in the UK earlier this month (anger at Brexit, and same yoof mind set of not knowing the alternative) the Gweens are appealing to the under 25s -hence their candidates like Swarbrick.
  Bear in mind the yoof of say 22yo have had nearly 20 years of left wing brain washing at school and university and even pre-school. That is a big pool to tap.
  Any alpha males have been driven out of these institutions and many of these kids have grown up without a solid confident male figure in their lives.
  The beta males, like the ones stacked up at Otago university, are all many of them know.
  
  Diversity and ‘helping strangers,’ as long as they are not white males who can prepare a budget, is the mantra.
  
  The target yoof believe this shit as doctrine, like any other culture that has been brain washed.
  
  This will pick up Gween (Red) votes without losing any.
  They know their voting base is not grads from Auckland Grammar or Kings.
  They are after those from De La Salle and Manurewa High. This is where their disciples have been doing their Red mission.
  
  The marxists know what they are doing. The Red revolution one hundred years ago this month in Russia was amid great chaos.
  There is not chaos to progress their plans in NZ so they must create a chaotic environment.
  Bringing in thousands of non aligned refugees is another brick in their wall.
  
  Whilst you diss it, keep these factors in mind.
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:21am
Left Right and Centre

‘climate change refugees’ wasn’t it ?

I don’t give a shit what the weather is up to – those dipshits would outbreed their land area no matter what.
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June 20, 2017 8:05am
- lifesgood
  
  You only have to look at Kiribati. They have a rising water problem but still breed like rabbits, maybe even worse. They are unbelievable, they give no thought to the future other than ‘ Rich countries will take us in ‘
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:37am
  - KevOB
    
    They don’t have a rising water problem in Tarawa. The massive relative population is physically compressing their atoll. They lost drinking water too through the compression. The atoll is very low lying so tides deposit salt and spoil crops.
    It’s time they moved. Re-settlement is needed and some arrangements are being negotiated for that possibility in Fiji.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:41am
    - kowtow
      
      The salt water in the water table is due to fresh water extraction.Extract from the water table and you get sea water intrusion. Happens all over the world.The more people on the tiny island the more water extracted and the more intrusion.
      
      Nothing to do with “climate change” or evil whites driving around in big cars.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:41am
      - KevOB
        
        The freshwater in lagoons sits as like a lens on the saltwater below. Extraction may be significant but in Tarawa, the capital of Kiribati, the coral landscape has been compressed. Fifty thousand people in 2010 were living on 1023ha. The other problem is direct salinity from tides washing over the very low lying land area. Water is rationed too as it can be either plentiful when the skies briefly open or nil for months otherwise.
        Thankfully I turned down a job there in 1975.
        
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        June 20, 2017 1:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    One of the naturally evoluting and eroding Pacific nations has already bought enough land in Fiji to settle the whole population.
    Kiribati possibly.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:29pm
- KevOB
  
  Climate refugees have no case the weather always gets them.
  Coral keeps up with current sea levels.
  The islanders eat the parrot fish which produce the coral.
  Tarawa atoll once had 10,000 people now it has 30,000.
  Some islands are 2m-3m tops above sea level; seasonal tides deposit salt.
  There is a lot more. Population pressure on uninhabitable islands is the real problem. Climate change obscures the required attention.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:55am
  - KevOB
    
    Amendment: the population on South Tarawa is in excess of 50,000 on the 2010 census. The area is only 15.76km² along the largely ribbon coast.
    
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    June 20, 2017 5:32pm
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Congratulations to Macron’s team in France for demolishing the Front National, whose rallies are now so pathetically small that antifascist activists no longer bother protesting them.
The same withering on the extreme right is seen in Germany with the AfD, in Holland with the truly repugnant Gert Wilders, in Italy with the Five Star Movement, in Britain with UKIP (not to mention the political dead woman walking who is Theresa May) and in several other countries.
For this clear-felling of the far-right, we have to thank the Trump effect.
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June 20, 2017 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Next . The street riots as Macron tries to impose “labour reform” on the deeply ingrained communist entitlement mentality of Pierre Le Peu.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:28am
  - Ross12
    
    Yes kowtow , I’m not sure Tom knows what Macron wants to do, like massive cuts to public service jobs etc. Macron wants to be of the centre not the left but we’ll wait and see if that happens.
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:35am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Roos 12 , sniffle . sniffe and boh hoo for a bunch of alt right losers !
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:00am
      - Ross12
        
        What is that dribble all about sboy ? I’m just stating facts.
        If you can’t make a coherent comment why bother ?
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:40am
- rangitoto
  
  Macron is the Frog version of John Key.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:57am
- labrator
  
  So if the “extreme/far right” is universally collapsing as you claim, why are you crediting Macron and his team? Isn’t he just the default benefactor?
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:59am
Happychappy

Another reason not to vote Winston First 5000 Refugees a year if he gets 10% of the vote we will have the coalition from hell.
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June 20, 2017 8:09am
- Chuck Bird
  
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  Another reason NZF will only go with Labour if Bill English does not negotiate in good faith.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:22am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Show us one, just one, thing Winston has ever done in good faith!
    
    Lying, Thieving bastard wouldn’t understand the concept!
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:51am
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      He will keep his word to the Pike River families unlike John Key.
      
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      June 20, 2017 8:59am
      - KevOB
        
        Without a change of legislation only the Directors can proceed as they are personally liable for any adverse outcome. Bill English understands that. Winston’s grandstanding show him as a fool.
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:09am
      - Happychappy
        
        Winston First will only keep his word until he can not milk it to suit his narrative.
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:24am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        I notice you can only comment on what we will (supposedly) do, not what he has done.
        
        You’re not much of a cheer-leader chuck
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:38am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        If you believe that Chuck, you also believe that he never received money from Owen Glenn.
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:58am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Happy, have you noticed that Bill English has not ruled out going into coalition with the Greens?
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:27am
  - Happychappy
    
    What the fucks that got to do with what I was talking about and that was your hate rant at John Key. Bill English has the right to talk to who he likes but like most things you post it lacks fact.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:33am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Pot calling the kettle black when it comes to hate to regarding a NZ politician.
      
      I refer to John Key by name rather than the childish name calling you and others us towards Winston not to mention Jacinda Ardren. The reference to her teeth is just nasty and Jacinda in definitely not a nasty person.
      
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      June 20, 2017 12:16pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Really chuck? Do you mean to say he’s never stood up drunk in Parliament, never defamed anyone, never lied, didn’t take the Glen money, didn’t take 158k of taxpayer money, didn’t dine out at Kermadec and never been in a helicopter? The dwarf bit – well, maybe not quite, but he is a short-arsed little prick – which is more typing than “dwarf”.
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:58pm
  - RF
    
    The obese slug would die in the ditch to prevent this.
    
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    June 20, 2017 12:13pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Sausage rolls and cheerios fed ad lib would soon sort that out. She can have some of Gerry’s.
      
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      June 20, 2017 3:00pm
wiseowl

Went to medical centre last night to check out debilitating flu symptoms.
Had to wait some time and another 7 ahead of me.Took ages before the appearance of those who had been with Dr.
Fuck me out walks Muslim women , pregnant and 4 in tow.
New Zealand better wake up as we are going down the same path as other western allies.
No more muslims in this country and preferably those here can FO to another Mussie country.
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June 20, 2017 8:17am
- MCos
  
  I remember the days when people used to say the same thing about the “papists” and the country was going to be run from Rome. We used to be called Roman Catholics back then, much to our discomfit.
  Unfortunately it never worked out that way despite the huge number of kids in some families. I had plenty of mates who had more than ten siblings.
  I used to look forward to the day when the whole of NZ would be converted to Catholicism.
  As the years went by the more stridently religious faded away and it’s been a long time since anyone worried about the ogre in the Vatican.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    That was in the days when people prayed in churches , which are now generally sparsely attended , as opposed to that rather quaint new phenomenon being witnessed in Europe…….
    
    …….pavements and roads blocked by “exotics” praying towards Mecca.
    
    How very European.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:45am
  - Flash
    
    The arrival of oral contraceptives in the 1960’s, which gave women control over their reproduction, was seized eagerly by Roman Catholic women who wanted to escape the tyranny of repeated pregnancy and childbirth – no matter what the Pope ordained.
    When the women of Islam take control of their fertility there will be a significant change in the religious climate of the world.
    Let’s hope that they do it soon –
    
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    June 20, 2017 7:39pm
Keeping Stock

The running over of people leaving a mosque in London is reprehensible and indefensible.

But the question has to ask; where were all the people screaming “Islamophobia” when proven Islamic extremists were blowing up, running down and stabbing people in Manchester and London?

The media coverage of yesterday’s atrocity has been revealing. The whole tone has been of a minority group being targeted by an Islamophobic majority. Sadiq Khan’s outrage at yesterday’s event has been in stark contrast to his “you have to expect terrorism in a big city” comments of two weeks ago.

Let me conclude. None of the terrorist events in the UK or elsewhere can ever be justified or excused. So why is there such a difference in the way they are reported, and in the reactions of the victims?
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June 20, 2017 8:20am
- EAD_TWO
  
  So why is there such a difference in the way they are reported, and in the reactions of the victims?
  
  Have you not been reading the comments section of Kiwblog the past 5 years?
  
  There’s a reason why we call the people who report the news the “MSM”, the people who govern us “the Political elite” and the stories we’re told “the narrative”…..
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:26am
- G152
  
  By the sound of it some-one has taken on the muslim drive into a crowd tactic.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Non muslim terrorists 1 : muslim terrorists 27,447,312 (est)
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:54am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Paulus Gnome ,
      
      27,447,312 (est) ? Based on what exactly with sources ?
      
      Pamela Geller , Katie Hopkins ?
      
      LOL
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:01am
      - RalphT
        
        Once we’ve sorted out your punctuation we’ll tell all about hyperbole.
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:21am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Don’t waste your time. He’ll only mistake it for a really big Super Bowl.
        
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        June 20, 2017 9:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ralph T and Rich Dick.
        
        Code for I dunno !
        
        DUH !
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:05am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Good morning moron. Have a day.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:14am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Apropos of keeping score, the last 12 months sees: Matadors c, 480,000, Bulls 2. Time is once again running out for the Bulls to get into double figures unfortunately.
      
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      June 20, 2017 3:08pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Keeping Stock says:
  
  “Let me conclude. None of the terrorist events in the UK or elsewhere can ever be justified or excused.”
  
  JFK said:
  
  “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
  
  Like all of the rest of world, the British People have been constant in their desire to maintain the steady demographic makeup that has existed for thousands of years on their Island yet the Politicians have always gone against the desires of the People they’re supposed to serve.
  
  When the Politicians won’t change course, when they constantly stifle any dissent and the ancient homeland of your people face is a nightmarish one of violence, poverty and Islam, what options does one have?
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:44am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Voting for different politicians is the standard way. UKIP was on the ballot but people didn’t choose it.
    
    And if someone was to conclude that the political system is irretrievably broken and violence was the only answer, surely it would be more effective to go after politicians and/or the media first.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:31am
- oldpark
  
  Wot, boot other foot,go figure.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  My read from a call I got from the UK, person lives 200m away. Driver turned into a the road, there was a group attending to a old man who had collapsed in the road. Swerved to miss them, hit a motor bike and lost control, mounted the curb and hit a further group watching. Yes he was travelling to fast but just a stupid road accident.
  Stories: there were three and two ran away, he had a knife, he yelled “I want to kill moslems”, (by the same witness who said he had a knife and there was three of them). The person who died was the old man, of natural causes. Nobody, except maybe one was seriously hurt.
  Not saying my version is any more fake than the beatup by the MSM but lets wait to see what the True story is.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:32am
- Paulus
  
  If you would know the current Finsbury Park area (other than as a weekly Arsenal supporter) to be a UK native is a rarity.
  It is one of the densest areas of immigrant Muslims in the UK.
  
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  June 20, 2017 1:34pm
EAD_TWO

Good to see the National Party is a wise steward of our hard earned money as they continue their prolonged assault on “racists” (which yesterday we found out not only includes people looking at you funny, but also moving schools for your child’s education)

The impact of racism on the health of New Zealanders will go under the microscope thanks to an $800,000 research grant to Wellington researchers.

Using data from the New Zealand Health Survey, Drs James Stanley, Ricci Harris and Donna Cormack from the University of Otago, Wellington will spend the next three years working to determine whether racism leads to poorer health across all ethnic groups.

“We know that people of Maori, Pacific and Asian ethnicities experience the highest levels of racism.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/93826520/victims-of-racism-to-have-health-tracked-in-800k-study

Perhaps they could look at the grades Whitey (and East Asians) must get to get selected University places, the tax they must pay to fund welfare, the difficulty in getting jobs in certain sectors due to not having the right blood, the disproportionate rate of inter ethnic crime, the “no-go” areas to find out where NZ’s real “racism” is.

I suspect this research however will be as pre-determined as “climate science” and “early NZ history”……
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June 20, 2017 8:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Does NZ have “no go” areas?
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Speaking of which , even the lefty PM of Sweden admits they have a problem.
    Why no rabid reaction as when Trump said “look at Sweden”?
    
    This goes back to KS’s question as to media double standards.
    
    “When I get reports that there are self-proclaimed ‘moral policemen’ who try to decide where women are allowed to be, how they should dress and how they should live, about oppression and violence in the name of honour by fathers, brothers and male relatives, I get furious,” he said.”
    
    Even this item and everyone knows who he’s referring to refuses to say “Muslim immigrants”. You just get code words like gang, youths , vulnerable area.
    
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170619/dont-touch-our-heroes-says-swedish-pm-stefan-lfven-about-attacks-on-police-and-emergency-services
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:35am
    - GoVege
      
      Good to see the Swedish feminists speaking up for abused immigrant and refugee women.
      And the PM.
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:35pm
  - MCos
    
    Ead_two seems to think so. Rotary Club of Avondale won’t allow women members, but I don’t think that’s what he/she had in mind.
    Where are these no go areas?
    
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    June 20, 2017 8:42am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It was actually the Rotary Club of AVONHEAD (which is in Christchurch). And if they don’t want their traditions threatened by women joining their club, they are probably safe. What woman in her right mind would bother attending a club populated by elderly curmudgeons?
      
      Fortunately, most Rotary clubs now are enlightened enough to welcome women members. My own club actually has around 60% female members, and the world hasn’t stopped turning.
      
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      June 20, 2017 12:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu-sen
    
    NO !
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:03am
  - VicParking
    
    Odakyu-sen
    Try Mt Roskill dressed in a short skirt.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:17am
    - MCos
      
      If I went anywhere dressed in a short skirt eyebrows would be raised.
      Well . . . . . almost anywhere
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:46am
      - RalphT
        
        Fortunately, MCos, there are only a few tall buildings in Mt Roskill.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:05am
    - stephieboy
      
      Vicparking , good test would be for you to give it try !.
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:57am
      - pentwig
        
        steffie
        we all know by your own admission that you “test” Mt Roskill every Saturday in a cafe. But that is only to ogle and perv on young girls.
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:00am
      - VicParking
        
        No dont down tick the boy he has to get his thrills somewhere. Three wifes and six goats get boring after awhile.
        
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        June 20, 2017 3:29pm
- mandk
  
  I wonder what they will say if they find (as I’m sure they will) that, despite being subject to more racism that Maori and Pasifika, Asian kids don’t have poor health outcomes.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:43am
  - GoVege
    
    Maybe because it’s somewhat easier to care for 2 kids, than 6 or 10..or 14..or….
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:12am
  - cmm
    
    As a group, East Asians have high IQ (higher than Europeans).
    
    Most outcomes from from that.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:35am
    - GoVege
      
      IQ isn’t just something you’re born with.
      How much individual (positive) attention you get from your parents increases IQ.
      So does breastfeeding, being read to, not being bashed or seeing your mum bashed.
      I know very successful, well-educated Maori and Pacifica kids.
      All of them come from smaller families and with nice dads who treat them and their mums well.
      It is sad to see the contrast with their cousins who have chauvinist brutes for dads.
      
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      June 20, 2017 11:48am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Meanwhile back in reality: cognitive outcomes in life are primarily dictated by genetics (given adequate education, nutrition and absence of brain damage). The Nature vs Nurture debate is over, Nature heavily dominates and no it isn’t fair but science and data gives no fucks about justice, fairness or feelings.
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:20pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Winston had 11 siblings and is a very successful and well-educated Maori.
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:22pm
- KevOB
  
  I have been in a shop in the Pacific and despite being known I was deliberately not served as being out of place there.
  Racism is everywhere.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:13am
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    kevOB , as we see for example the Muslim bashings that goes on here !
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:58am
  - GoVege
    
    They do it to their own too Kev.
    I had a Samoan woman complain to me about it once.
    Not sure why, but it’s a very pride-based culture.
    They might feel superior for actually having a paid job.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:32pm
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      Samoa is very stratified.
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:45pm
- VicParking
  
  James and Donna are salivating at the thought of the trough placed in front of them. I bet the result is “More research is required”
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:20am
Paulus

Following the Pike River disaster my family collectively sent a 3 figure sum to the miner’s families.
How can we get it back as it was in retrospect wrong, along with the over $30,000,000 given to the 29 families (actually 31 people as the two who got out also collected). ?
We are told that the families are going to the High Court over something regarding Whittall. I bet they will employ top QC’s on legal aid.
Surely one of the lead woman, along with Monkhouse, who both lost one son and one the other got out and collected what must be over a million dollars should think of the ramifications as this is now a Political stunt.
Should a case be found against Whittall who is outside New Zealand jurisdiction then the Health and Safety Manager should be joined. He allowed his two sons to go down the mine – one was killed and the other above got out. It was he who at the Commission of Enquiry made it clear that the mine was unsafe.
I want our money back as we do not support this kind of continuing media political stunt.
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June 20, 2017 8:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  Is any one else exhausted by hearing from “The Families”?
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:49am
  - Gabby
    
    Did you reckon there’d be nothing left to see down there? All gone? All burneded up?
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:09am
  - lifesgood
    
    Absolutely. It is beyond funny. They seem to me like a pack of simpletons trying to stretch their 5 minutes of fame out forever. I guess before this they were non entities and fame is addictive. Why on earth cannot they just get on with their lives. They have been amply compensated and are not the first people in the world to suffer a tragedy. Their loved ones are just piles of dust and bones now so leave them alone. They talk as if they will still walk out alive.
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:55am
    - doggone7
      
      Their loved ones were said to be just piles of dust and bones at the time the incident happened. According to some sources today that wasn’t the case.
      
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      June 20, 2017 12:26pm
    - GoVege
      
      It’s called GRIEF, you insensitive twerp!
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:43pm
- MCos
  
  In NZ there seems to be an unwillingness to hold anyone accountable for these major tragedies. Pike River. Cave Creek. CTV Bldg. Erebus. Often it’s the subsequent actions of the victims that come under the microscope.
  At the other extreme China often finds a culprit & executes them (depending on other factors).
  It’s going to be interesting whose heads will roll (figuratively) when the dust settles over the Kensington tragedy.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    How about we hold the miners accountable for their own demise?
    
    After all, they’re the people with the training and the knowledge and chose to enter the mine which they helped to make unsafe.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:36am
    - Gabby
      
      How much training did they have, cmmie? Training to ignore safety measures and keep their yaps shut if they want to keep their jobs prolly doesn’t count. They weren’t blek morners.
      
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      June 20, 2017 11:08am
      - cmm
        
        Gabby, sweetie…
        
        Most of them had many years experience in mining. IIRC, only one or two had less than a year’s mining experience. All miners in NZ have at least some training.
        
        Even in South Africa (which I assume you’re refering to with “blek morners”), all the miners at least had some training before going underground.
        
        Safety is everyone’s responsibility especially those who are involved on a day to day basis.
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:20am
      - Happychappy
        
        You under estimate coasters they have been breaking the law for decades and though nothing of it. I am not pointing breaking the law in mines but using it to suit your purpose the same way they did with after hours drinking in their pubs.
        
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        June 20, 2017 11:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Scalps are already being taken by those “Londoners”.
    
    “A man who was mistaken for a Tory councillor and beaten up by activists who stormed Kensington Town Hall in the wake of the Grenfell Tower tragedy has been left injured and badly shaken by the incident.”
    
    The caption for the photo could read , mob of foreigners chase white man in London suburb.
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/tory-councillor-beaten-grenfell-tower-protesters-revealed-volunteer/
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:51am
- Kabull
  
  And should action be taken against the Union leader who claimed that the mine was safe?
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:29am
  - Gabby
    
    Absolutely. Gather your evidence and lay a complaint.
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:04am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Is this the union leader you were referring to Kabull?
    
    http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/how-andrew-little-failed-pike-river.html
    
    Or is it this one?
    
    http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2010/11/why-is-andrew-little-defending-pike.html
    
    And whilst Chris Trotter doesn’t blame a union leader in particular, he was very harsh about the actions of Labour Party politicians:
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/chris-trotter/7924949/Labour-shares-Pike-River-guilt
    
    It’s funny though how a change of jobs has caused Mr Little to see things differently. The smell of political advantage does things to the mind…
    
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    June 20, 2017 12:17pm
- RF
  
  The elephant in the room is the inside knowledge concerning alledged practices by Pike River miners, some now deceased.
  
  I know some old time West Coast coal miners who are disgusted with the gravy train circus.
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:02am
  - Gabby
    
    Dickhead Knapp is no elephant. More of a weasel.
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:03am
- Chuck Bird
  
  According to your logic. Forestry accidents are the fault of the forestry workers.
  
  As far as I know nothing in the new H & S addresses the issue of PC Plod preventing a rescue attempt after the first explosion. We have no idea if some could have been saved. A re-entry may address the issue.
  
  If the families had been told the whole truth we would not be in this situation.
  
  It is going to be very interesting to see Bill English’s position in Winston holds the balance of power. No amount of name calling will affect the election results.
  
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  June 20, 2017 2:52pm
  - Happychappy
    
    You are the one that more often than not reverts to calling people names when you can’t win a argument. What I have called Winston First is true, three examples Owen Glenn, he can’t hold his notes because his hands shake so much and he is like a spoilt child in Parliamentry Question Time and today was a great example so if you want to be respected give others the same respect which is the one thing Winston won’t do.
    
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    June 20, 2017 3:58pm
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It seems like Sir John Key (our “greatest PM ever”), and our current PM lied to the public about knowledge of a crime and helped pay off the complainant so the investigation would be dropped. Wow!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93858209/government-gives-secret-payment-to-former-employee-glenys-dickson-over-secret-recording
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- Keeping Stock
  
  It seems like you are marking arguably defamatory comments from behind your alias jonar:
  
  Clutha-Southland MP Todd Barclay will not face charges in relation to an allegation that he recorded private communications.
  
  The allegation came after the resignation of his Gore-based senior electorate agent Glenys Dickson in February, with a party official citing an “employment problem” between the pair.
  
  A police spokesman said in a statement they received a complaint in February 2016 regarding an allegation that private communications had been intercepted by an individual.
  
  The complaint was assessed and an investigation was commenced. This investigation examined all the available information, including interviews with key witnesses.
  
  The file was also referred to the Police legal section for review.
  
  After consideration of all relevant information and the Solicitor General’s prosecution guidelines, Police determined there was insufficient evidence to prosecute, the statement says.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/87129068/No-charges-for-Clutha-Southland-MP-Todd-Barclay
  
  We have this quaint notion in our justice system jonar, called the presumption of innocence. Barclay was never charged with a crime, so your suggestion that Key had knowledge of said “crime” is a fiction.
  
  None of this changes the fact that Barclay behaved like a pillock. Hopefully this whole issue has been a learning experience for him, or he might become our youngest ex-MP.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:45am
  - Sir Leslie Bottocks
    
    lack of evidence?
    Bill English was not a credible witness then?
    
    “Bill English to Stuart Davie: He left a dictaphone running that picked up all conversations in the office Just the office end of phone conversations. The settlement was larger than normal because of the privacy breach.”
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/19/34825/the-politician-the-police-the-payout
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:13am
    - Kimbo
      
      Sounds like hearsay, not witness evidence, unless English was in the office when it was left on. Unlikely as he was the former MP.
      
      But then I’m not the guy who calls Kiwis rationalsing and excuse-making paranoids when they imply that the best lawyers, not sailors and boat builders will win the Americas Cup. 😉
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:25am
  - jonar
    
    Hardly defamatory to state what the facts in a news article appear to show.
    
    However, a Newsroom investigation into the MP’s conduct — including an interview with Dickson, speaking publicly for the first time since her resignation — has produced new information about the first-term National MP.
    
    * Barclay denied to members of his electorate there had been recording of Dickson, and about being approached by police.
    
    * English knew Dickson had been recorded by Barclay and spoke to her about it, despite telling media he had not been directly involved in any discussions.
    
    * Then-Prime Minister John Key’s parliamentary budget was used to pay part of a confidential settlement to Dickson, in an attempt to avoid “potential legal action”.
    
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    Later, the police investigation into Barclay centred on whether the MP had used an interception device to record Dickson’s private conversations.
    
    Under Section 216B of the Crimes Act it is illegal to intentionally intercept private communications which you are not party to.
    
    Barclay refused to cooperate with the police and the case was dropped in December because of “insufficient evidence”.
    
    …
    
    John Key was Prime Minister at the time but when interviewed by RNZ on March 7, 2016, appeared to know very little about the matter.
    
    Guess you’re going to try to claim money was paid from John Key’s Parliamentary budget without his knowledge?
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:26pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Sounds like Todd Barclay has to shoulder much of the blame for the whole debacle, getting off-side with all the electorate staff. Recording a senior staff member without her knowledge is a despicable thing to do, then he lied about it. Employment law is a quagmire and confidentiality agreements cover up all sorts of inappropriate behaviour allowing those who have transgressed to move on to employment without being hindered. Seems the National Party were good employers and did what was needed for their long time employee who was recorded and disrespected by a jumped up wee boy who mis-judged his abilities.
  
  We had an ex-employee we’d have loved to have reported to the relevant authority but after going through the process of dismissal, under the confidentiality agreement we were legally unable to do so.
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:57am
  - Kimbo
    
    Indeed. The perspective of a lawyer seeking to limit potential criminal liability, and a political party needing to be seen to cooperate with the institutions of law and order are sometime contradictory. And if you want to remain an MP, openness, cooperation and disclosure should be the norm, and the model for the public.
    
    Irrespective of the fact that Barclay had the legal right to fail to cooperate with police, his refusal to do so should a reason for instant expulsion from his caucus and party. Richard Prebble realised that as soon as Donna Awatere-Huata refused to cooperate with a police enquiry. She was removed from her caucus, and then her party forthwith. It is incompetence by National that they have not recognised the need to cut out the cancer.
    
    The good National voters of Clutha-Southland can deal with this by voting for another electorate candidate, although whether National still deserve their party vote is moot.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:08am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I agree waikatogirl.
    
    Hopefully Barclay will have learned from all this, and one day he may even enjoy a level of respect in Clutha-Southland similar to that of his predecessor. But respect has to be earned, not demanded.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Ask WO as he has rabbited on for month on the matter so we must assume he has the full details.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:39pm
- KevOB
  
  Another hit piece from your unfriendlys.
  
  The dictaphone may even have been accidentally left on by an undetermined party.
  
  A great many actions are settled out of Court.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:20am
  - MCos
    
    He may have accidentally lied about it too . . . . . .
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Can I use your dictaphone.
    
    No use your finger like everyone else.
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:52am
- Gabby
  
  Ponyboy might have had an alternative hat to hand in which case hey presto! I know nussink.
  
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  June 20, 2017 11:00am
- GazzaW
  
  Barclay had legal advice not to make a statement to the police and there was no requirement for him to do so. I had to laugh at Little’s statement today that Barclay lacked moral judgement regarding his decision – that coming so quickly after Little’s reprehensible behaviour towards the Hagaman family. Oh, the hypocrisy but are we surprised?
  
  Has anyone noticed the beefing up of personal attacks on National MPs by the Herald, ZB and Red Radio? Nicky Wagner for expressing out loud about her wish to be out on the harbour on a beautiful sunny day rather than in a meeting room and Tim Groser for having the GCSB check out his WTO competitors.
  
  There must be an election pending.
  
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  June 20, 2017 1:01pm
  - KevOB
    
    Red radio need reminding they are government owned and funded so neutrality is required.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:47pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Fat chance Kev. Name one neutral announcer and then take a quick audit of the interviewees and you can safely assume that lefties outnumber the right wingers by two to one regardless of the subject in question. Same applies to TV One.
      
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      June 20, 2017 5:11pm
Happychappy

National need for Winston First is like a hole in the head because his ego will demand to be Prime Minister to go with his other bottom lines. You wait and see if the team of no hoppers become the Goverment and see the damage to the economy that will be inflicted and how long it will take to recover then how some people on here will set the blame but take no responsibiliy for the part they played.
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June 20, 2017 8:32am
Stars And Stripes

Taking a commonly repeated opinion to it’s logical conclusion:
Problem = Terrorist attacks by Muslims happen in western countries because of the interference of westerners in Muslim countries.
Solution = All westerners to leave Muslim countries.

Problem = Terrorist attacks by westerners happen in western countries because of the interference of Muslims in western countries.
Solution = All Muslims to leave western countries.
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June 20, 2017 8:34am
- MCos
  
  Is that why there’s been no terrorist attacks in Mt Roskill since you left?
  
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  June 20, 2017 8:49am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Problem = reply by MCos does not make sense.
    Solution = stick to getting happy endings in Chinese “teahouses” on Dominion Road instead.
    
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    June 20, 2017 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stipes ,
  
  “All westerners to leave Muslim countries.”
  
  Especially the drones , airforces , tanks etc
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:05am
- Kabull
  
  What will actually happen = All westerners leave western countries to the Muslims …
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:31am
Rich Prick

Just to prove no cause goes without its day, today is World Refugee Day. Allah Akbar everyone.
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June 20, 2017 8:47am
GazzaW

Otto Warmbier has died in hospital in Cincinnatti presumably from the effects of the torture and beatings he suffered while held in custody by North Korea.

It’s well over time for these animals to be dealt to.
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June 20, 2017 8:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  Very sorry to hear about Otto’s death.
  Let’s hope the post-mortem discovers what the NKoreans subjected him to so unnecessarily for taking a propaganda poster.
  What a miserable debacle for the family.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:07am
  - holysheet
    
    You can lay the blame for his death on the most useless US president ever. Obumma could have got him home sooner if he had wanted to. I guess Otto was the wrong colour and religion.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:17am
- GoVege
  
  How sad.
  I’m sure they only handed him over to his parents to save hospital expenses.
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:17am
  - waikatogirl
    
    More likely the NKoreans knew once Otto died they would be stuck with a red-hot International problem. Better to look like they had a smidgen of compassion and send him home before his inevitable death.
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:34am
- 4077th
  
  By torture and beatings you mean botulism and a sleeping pill? “He got sick and we gave him a sleeping pill and fell into a coma”… Tui Sign!
  
  1. What was the idiot doing in NK anyway?
  2. Stole a propaganda sign.
  3. 15 years hard labour
  4. Nothing to eat but bugs and turds.
  
  The real story is more like, he was treated like a dog, fed almost nothing and probably died as a result. The coma being one stage of severe malnutrition. NK sent him back knowing he would expire shortly after thereby avoiding further questions and diplomatic requests. His performance in the courtroom showed he was as weak as piss so torture was probably short lived. The moral of the story is don’t go to a 3rd world shit hole, commit a crime and not expect the worst to happen. There are hundreds of stories about idiots being caught with drugs in Thailand, prison might as well be a death sentence.
  
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  June 20, 2017 12:30pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    There was no sign of botulism but rather Otto’s brain had been deprived of oxygen leading to Otto being in a coma for nearly a year.
    
    NKorea are barbaric and paranoid and mistreated a 22 year old boy who took a poster as a souvenir. Sure it is a strange place to visit but nobody deserves their holiday to end in such a horrific way.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:47pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      22year old is not a “boy”, old enough not to be an idiot. Though no argument that NK are monsters.
      
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      June 20, 2017 2:25pm
    - 4077th
      
      @ WG
      My first paragraph is tongue-in cheek as that is how the Nk’s explained his coma.
      
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      June 20, 2017 4:36pm
Left Right and Centre

‘Equal pay’ for mental health workers . . .
Greens want to decide what’s ‘fair’ for everyone to get paid.
Oh well – soon they’ll just start at the top of the list working downwards – whatever he gets, she gets. Dicktators.
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June 20, 2017 8:48am
- holysheet
  
  Didn’t you mean Dicktakers?
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:18am
Bullion

Donald Trump Is Making Europe Liberal Again
By Nate Silver:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-making-europe-liberal-again/
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June 20, 2017 9:03am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  You are wrong. The Globohomos will Make Europe Fascist Again as they continue to double down on mass Islamic migration/invasion + pretend and extend economics in a doomed effort to bail out their ponzi scheme and European Project.
  
  Macron is a good example, a front frog phaggot for the Eurocrats. Celebrated by Leftoids desperate for some wins, that little froggy will continue with the globohomo program that is bringing Europe to its knees, ensuring even more support for Nationalism next election.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:36am
  - sam green
    
    WTF is a globohomo?
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:44am
    - Jack5
      
      I think it’s something from the Trollic language, SG.
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:46pm
- Ross12
  
  Bullion
  I think Silver is making a huge stretch there to suggest Trump has that much, if any, influence on Europe.
  Here is another extensive poll by Pew which suggests the Europeans are confused ( to put it politely).
  On the one hand they want to stay in the EU and they think Brexit is bad for the EU & the UK but on the other hand they say they want their national governments to decide on immigration policies and trade deal deals.
  http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/15/most-europeans-judge-brexit-as-bad-for-eu-and-uk/?utm_content=bufferc2a21&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#views-of-the-uk
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:52am
VicParking

Day two of RNZ’s “change the government” campaign” has Geared up with a two year old story about Tod Barclay, and an interview with angry Andy that served him up with patsy questions and let him go on and on and on about the no policy they have yet to release. “We will bring in free education in or third term”
PS: who is Tod Barclay??
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June 20, 2017 9:12am
- Gabby
  
  Wee Toddy Baccy is the turnip the good burghers of Southland would re-elect if he slaughtered a roomful of kindy kids in the main street.
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:55am
Manolo

The animals want revenge:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3829975/isis-supporters-use-finsbury-park-terror-attack-to-make-twisted-call-for-more-atrocities-against-the-west/
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June 20, 2017 9:14am
- GoVege
  
  Animals are not evil, Manolo.
  Try: “savages” or “medieval throwbacks”.
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:31am
  - Manolo
    
    What I meant: the followers of Mohammad, the paedophile prophet.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:51pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND PRIME MINISTER ENGLISH WELCOMES AUCKLAND LAND PRICE FALLS … INTEREST CO NZ

All housing affordability measures have their drawbacks, but all point to one policy response required, PM English says. ‘Build more houses’; Welcomes some Auckland land price falls, says materials costs need to be next | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88371/all-housing-affordability-measures-have-their-drawbacks-all-point-one-policy-response

All measures of housing affordability have limitations, although all point to the same required policy response of building more houses at lower costs, Prime Minister Bill English says.

On that front, he welcomed news that land prices in some parts of Auckland were falling and that Auckland consenting had been made electronic, cutting time from the process. However, work is still needed on reducing the costs of building materials, English said.

English was speaking to media at his post-Cabinet press conference after Radio New Zealand reported Monday that the Reserve Bank of New Zealand had warned the Ministry of Business, Industry and Employment (MBIE) that its new Housing Affordability measure should contain higher interest rate assumptions than had been used, yet MBIE released the measure regardless last month. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing crisis: Household debt sees Australian banks downgraded again … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
h/t JG

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-19/household-debt-sees-australian-banks-downgraded-again/8632520

Now Moody’s downgrades the Dumb Bubble – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/now-moodys-downgrades-dumb-bubble/
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June 20, 2017 10:03am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND … MBIE’s HAM FISTED HOUSING MIXED MEASURE … BACKFIRES …
  
  Labour slams new Government housing affordability measure as ‘ham-fisted’; calls on Nick Smith to reissue it with ‘accurate numbers’ on true state of housing affordability … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88356/labour-slams-new-government-housing-affordability-measure-ham-fisted-calls-nick-smith
  
  Mixed measures are technically unsound … as I explained mid-April …
  
  MBIE failing to meet self-imposed targets | Radio New Zealand News
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328975/mbie-failing-to-meet-self-imposed-targets
  
  … and too … February 2011 in the Sydney Morning Herald and Melbourne Age …
  
  Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes … Domain
  
  https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
  
  … Why hasn’t Prime Minister English fired Minister Smith ?
  
  … Hasn’t this Governments housing circus gone on long enough ?
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:07am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Harcourts says the house prices that were being achieved at the height of the market are no longer realistic | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88264/harcourts-says-house-prices-were-being-achieved-height-market-are-no-longer-realistic
    
    The country’s largest real estate agency says average house prices are starting to fall, and the inflated prices that were achievable last year are no longer realistic.
    
    Harcourts chief executive Chris Kennedy said the agency sold almost 15% fewer homes in May than it did in May last year, and average prices are being affected by declining sales.
    
    That is particularly noticeable in Auckland where the average price in May was below the average in May 2016, for the first time since sales started declining late last year.
    
    The average price of Auckland homes sold by Harcourts in May was $947,809 which was well below the $1,024,317 benchmark set in April this year, and down 0.7% compared to May last year.
    
    In Christchurch the slide in price has been even more severe, with May’s average sale price of $498,370 down 10% compared to the average price of $553,114 in May last year.
    
    “Vendors are starting to adjust their expectations when it comes to prices,” Kennedy said.
    
    “The inflated prices that were achievable at the very height of the market are no longer realistic.” … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Hello Hugh Pavletich,
    kiwikaryn replied to your comment on NZ house prices rise in May, but sales volumes collapse (behind paywall)
    
    “If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline)”. This was the exact point made by Michael Burry in The Big Short. The gig is up when prices stop rising, not when they start falling. In Chch I am seeing huge amounts of stock coming to market, mostly low end, clearly investors trying to get rid of investment properties now they are struggling to rent them at prices to cover their escalating mortgage costs. Stock is at the highest its ever been (across the 14 suburbs, and price brackets that I monitor) and its June, when it should be at its lowest. God help them when all the spring stock hits the market in a couple of months.
    
    ‘Completely broken’? Widening inequality fuels discontent among Kiwis | Stuff.co.nz
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/completely-broken-widening-inequality-fuels-discontent-among-kiwis
    
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    June 20, 2017 10:34am
    - Gabby
      
      If the Aussie banks have just been shafted in the credit rating, I guess Chinese surname buyers will be even more welcome.
      
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      June 20, 2017 10:53am
      - rangitoto
        
        Yes we know you are racist.
        
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        June 20, 2017 12:54pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Gabby … That’s an idiotic comment of course … but I am well acclimatized to nonsense political comments, having served a sentence as President for the South Island Division of the Property Council during the first part of the 1990’s.
        
        Stephen Franks dealt with the Right wing political nutters a couple of years ago …
        
        StephenFranks.co.nz » Blog Archive » Banal business naivete on politics (and the RMA and Councils)
        
        http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/banal-business-naivete-on-politics-and-councils/
        
        What the finance guys are waking up to is the Irish housing bubble that crashed from 4.7 Median Multiple unweighted across its metros in 2007 to 2.7 a few years later … putting all their Banks to the wall … and requiring bailouts in excess of 70 billion euro or about $NZ109 billion.
        
        This Irish TV3 interview by Vincent Browne with Prof Bill Black and others is worth watching …
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performance … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
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        They now know the current unweighted Median Multiples of the Aussie metros is about 5.5 with New Zealand a stratospheric 5.9.
        
        Check out the 5 Important Graphs at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        The Central Bank of Ireland research subsequently found that high multiple lending was a far greater problem than high loan to value lending … and it followed up with a general 3.5 times annual household income cap on lending.
        
        The Bank of England had earlier capped at 4.5.
        
        As the Dem Surveys show year after year (13 to date) housing prices do not exceed 3.0 times incomes in normal markets requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times.
        
        The high multiple lending situation is way way worse in Australia and Ne Zealand. Without going in to it all in chapter and verse, it is all hugely dangerous stuff.
        
        It should never have been allowed to have got out of hand to this extent.
        
        John Key will be held to account in due course.
        
        With a mix of gutlessness and incompetence (note the Irish encounter with Merrill Lynch in the Irish TV3 Vincent Browne interview above … the 3rd raters of the finance world. ‘The Blundering Herd’ refer GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) he allowed the housing bubble to expand from about $600 billion in 2008 to a nonsense $1 trillion now.
        
        That’s why Key bailed late 2016. He hasn’t got what it takes to face the music.
        
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        June 20, 2017 1:00pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Phil … Great comments as always.
        
        Capt Mainwaring … as Phil notes, I am delighted to learn from our PM that Auckland land prices are falling … and that he welcomes this.
        
        All On Red … With all your wisdom, could you tell us what the capital base of the Irish Banks was when it all turned to custard in 2007 ?
        
        And further to this … why the Australian and NZ Banks are in better shape to cope with our current unweighted MMs at 5.5 and 5.9 respectively … when the Irish peaked at an unweighted 4.7 ?
        
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        June 20, 2017 3:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “when it all turned to custard in 2007 ?”
        False equivalence
        Our economy is stronger than the Irish was in 2007 albeit smaller. Joyce today announced 3% growth.
        Also I’m aware of how the NZ Banks handled recessions and downturns over the last 30 years…
        You see, I WORK in high places. I’m not some wannabe one trick pony from a small city outside Auckland.
        
        Lol
        
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        June 20, 2017 4:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red .. The capital base of the Irish Banks in 2007 was the question … which you haven’t got an answer for.
        
        I sure would like to know the answer on this important matter.
        
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        June 20, 2017 4:32pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Greater Toronto is Canadas largest metro with a population of about 6.6 million …
        
        Early numbers hint at larger decline in GTA home sales: expert | CTV News
        
        http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/early-numbers-hint-at-larger-decline-in-gta-home-sales-expert-1.3466439
        
        Toronto’s suddenly dipping housing market appears poised to decline at a higher rate, according to early June numbers from one real estate expert.
        
        John Pasalis, president and broker at Realosophy, says early sales numbers for the month continue to trend downward, indicating a potentially sharper drop in the Greater Toronto Area than the 20.3 per cent dip reported year-over-year in May. Overall, the numbers indicate Toronto’s once skyrocketing housing market is coming back to Earth under new provincial taxation rules on foreign buyers.
        
        According to numbers posted by Pasalis on Twitter, freehold home sales plunged by 47 per cent year-over year for the week of June 10-16, while condo sales dropped by 24 per cent. Those declines are even sharper than his numbers from the first week of June, when the numbers declined by 44 and 22 per cent, respectively. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 20, 2017 6:50pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Moody’s helps lift the lid on local banks’ property exposure … Robert Gottliebsen … The Australian
        … google search title if blocked …
        
        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/robert-gottliebsen/moodys-helps-lift-the-lid-on-banking-over/news-story/fa0d36f400895a6b75c8329e70a84b59
        
        Behind the Moody’s downgrading of Australian bank debt is a hidden story of great importance to the Australian economy and to longer-term bank share prices.
        
        Australian banks have had a wonderful time in the last few years as they sold interest only loans to a vast number of investors. A friend of mine went into a big four bank three years ago seeking a loan to buy an investment property and the sales person (whose was paid on commission) tried to talk him into buying five properties. My friend stayed with the one but thousands of others took the “advice” from the bank sales person. And sometimes that sales person worked for a broker who knew where to shop around for loans — again more commissions.
        
        It will be a year or two before we understand just how much bank loan risk was taken on board in the boom. But Moody’s clearly believe the banks went too far.
        
        What makes me think they might be right is that we pushed up dwelling prices via restricting supply, Chinese demand and interest only loan bank lending.
        
        Two of those planks — bank lending and Chinese demand — have been cut back and there are signs of better supply coming online. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Australia’s central bank frets on financial stability as household debt mounts … Nasdaq
        
        http://www.nasdaq.com/article/australias-central-bank-frets-on-financial-stability-as-household-debt-mounts-20170620-00029
        
        RBA Keeps Focus on Jobs and Housing Even as Markets Improve – Bloomberg
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-20/rba-maintains-focus-on-jobs-and-housing-even-as-markets-improve
        
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        June 20, 2017 7:25pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So what is it to be Hugh? Last year you were complaining that house prices were rising. Now you’re complaining that they’re dropping.
      Can’t have it both ways.
      Idiot.
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:37pm
      - PhilBest
        
        I don’t read Hugh as “complaining that house prices are dropping”. He is blaming National for letting the prices inflate, predicting that the inevitable falls as a result of failure to manage them down, will be an uncontrollable, ruinous crash.
        
        He is merely waiting to be proved right. I believe he will be, but every price blip downwards does not necessarily mean the crash is on us. I used to think a crash was imminent merely on the fundamentals – Ireland’s ruinous crash in 2007 involved a peak median multiple, in Dublin, of 6.6. Auckland is now 10. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see this coming.
        
        You do have to be one of the mad, greed-frenzied or politically venal crowd to continue defending the record.
        
        But I have read good explanatory literature about just how long it can take for a bubble to actually burst. It is really testament to the human weakness for self-delusion, especially where easy wealth is involved, and political expedience. Kiwis, Aussies, Canadians and a few others absolutely beggar belief, given that there have been cautionary examples that could have been learned from – and the right reforms could have been done in 2008. As “promised”, by the way. Not the only thing John Key National failed to deliver on.
        
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        June 20, 2017 1:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sigh, just because a house drops in value doesn’t mean people will sell.
        And as long as mortgages get paid, the Banks will do nothing. All that happens is people’s expectations get adjusted.
        It’s only when you have a recession and people lose their jobs and are then forced to sell that a crash occurs.
        We are a long way away from a recession.
        The other thing is that most people have significant equity in their homes, certainly enhanced by the rise in values in the past seven years and the seven years before and the seven years before that.
        Which means the vast majority are modestly geared so a drop will not effect them. First home buyers perhaps but they don’t comprise a huge percentage of the market and as long as they keep their jobs it won’t matter.
        Hugh thinks he’s an expert but he’s not.
        He just hates National and suffers from Key Derangement Syndrome bigly!
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Phil
        The only way National could have truly fixed the Auckland housing shortage was take all control of Planning, Approval and Transport off the Auckland Council. Imagine the jowls of outrage from the Left if they did that.
        Aucklanders have had several chances since 2008 to change the Council and they haven’t…
        What does that tell you?
        And how does that bode for Hugh’s dream of everyone turning on National? 47.5%!!!!
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Note my response comment just above the Capts.
        
        Not quite sure how it got there … divine intervention I suspect. It is important the Capt (and the other rascal All On Red) know I have some very good friends in high places.
        
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        June 20, 2017 3:51pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Your boy wonder got spanked in Paliament Question Time today by the Minister that you don’t like Hugh. I am not a big fan of Nick Smith even though he comes from my home town. You might have to up your game Hugh can’t have your prodigy making mistakes and having to swallow a dead rat from the useless Nick Smith as you call him aye.
      
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      June 20, 2017 4:15pm
GoVege

In the Herald today:
194 family violence deaths in last 7 years in NZ.
Maori over-represented as victims and perpetrators.
“Preventing and addressing family violence has to stop being the role of a few and start being the role of many”.
Perhaps it’s time for the Maori Party, whose people are most affected by family violence, to start doing something about this.
Or even talking about it.
Or even acknowledging the problem EXISTS.
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June 20, 2017 10:28am
- zonic
  
  Interested to know how many of these “Maori over-represented” are in Iwi’s? Or is this the forgotten Maori…?
  
  Maori Party will want a solution for Maori only and not for all the “victims and perpetrators” and National will support it!
  
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  June 20, 2017 10:38am
  - GoVege
    
    The Maori Party will never speak up against family violence because in non-Western cultures males hold all the power.
    It is only the women who survive to older age who get to share that power, and they have no sympathy for younger women.
    Hence you get old women in India who arrange the killings of their daughters in law so their sons can marry and get them a bigger dowry.
    Maori women fortunately aren’t that bad but like most older females in these cultures, they do FA to help their younger “sisters”.
    
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    June 20, 2017 1:19pm
- Reid
  
  It’s interesting to me how many of you expect other people with different backgrounds to yourselves to do things your way and not their way. One example is the way you demand Moslims condemn terrorist attacks (but always ignore the instances they do) and another is this obsession many of you have with “requiring” Maori fix their own problems the way you would.
  
  It’s reflective to me of this unbelievable arrogance (born from ignorance) that Westerners have about the superiority of their society and their ways. Given how demonstrably fucked these societies are on so many levels, this attitude should be quite surprising to anyone with a three digit IQ (which I know many of you have). But nevertheless most of you seem to hallucinate Western “civilisation” is the bestest ever and cos it’s so fucking fantastic everyone else should try to be like it, and if they don’t they’re not only wrong, they’re evil.
  
  It’s actually laughable to think the Western world is the sole repository of human wisdom and insight but most of you dudes never seem to see the humour, most of you take this moronic perspective perfectly seriously.
  
  Perhaps the next time one of you feels like braying this particular meme you might pause to reflect on the question I’m raising: if Western “problem-solving” is so good, why do all of our Western societies have so many serious and deep problems? (Which, in case you try to deny it, were around long before “immigrants” came and caused them all.)
  
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  June 20, 2017 11:22am
  - zonic
    
    good points
    What I am referring to tho is trying to solve the problem for only a subgroup of the group.
    That solution should be available to all in the group and not just that subgroup.
    
    Every society has problems no matter where it is.
    
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    June 20, 2017 11:48am
    - GoVege
      
      True, zonic.
      But some have a lot more serious problems than others.
      When 50% of the population is effectively disabled due to being treated as second class citizens and punchbags, those societies usually are poor.
      And need lots of aid from gender equal societies.
      
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      June 20, 2017 1:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        And if the “indigenous” society already here when a country is settled by Westerners is allowed to hang onto their sexist customs, they will eventually bankrupt the place.
        
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        June 20, 2017 1:57pm
  - GoVege
    
    “Unbelievable arrogance (born from ignorance)”.. huh?
    Have you ever tried living amongst these other cultures, Reid?
    Have you seen a big, brown dude smashing his fist into his missus’s face/head while their young kids stand by screaming in terror?
    Have you talked to women from these cultures and heard the terror they live with, and seen their kicked/smashed out teeth?
    Have you seen their brain-damaged babies on life-support after dad gave mum a hiding?
    Have you seen a Polynesian male throwing his kid against the wall while the mum tries to shield her child with her body?
    Not all males from non-Western cultures are like this, but enough are to make it a huge problem.
    BTW, did you know that every day in Fiji, 70 women are beaten unconscious by their husbands?
    Next time you are on holiday in the islands, remember what is probably going on nearby.
    And here in NZ.
    
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    June 20, 2017 12:12pm
    - zonic
      
      Very sad that.
      Where else in the world do you have ads for “Not shaking a baby”?
      
      Genuine question
      
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      June 20, 2017 12:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        They need ones for “not bashing pregnant women” too.
        
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        June 20, 2017 1:13pm
  - KevOB
    
    ‘No Man is an Island’
    
    No man is an island entire of itself; every man
    is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
    if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
    is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
    well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
    own were; any man’s death diminishes me,
    because I am involved in mankind.
    And therefore never send to know for whom
    the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    [John Donne 1624]
    
    If we don’t learn from history we will have to be re-taught.
    
    Greed is overtaking the world.
    
    Have you killed a computer today?
    
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    June 20, 2017 2:12pm
Odakyu-sen

zonic,

Are “Maori in iwi” the individuals who are have officially documented membership in an iwi, access to the resources of said iwi, and (presumably) the support from iwi members?

Are “forgotten Maori” the isolated individuals who “have some Maori blood” but are undocumented and therefore ineligible for iwi assistance?

One would assume that the “forgotten Maori” have worse outcomes.
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June 20, 2017 10:55am
- zonic
  
  yes that is what I was wondering. And not to mention the other subgroups outside of them 2.
  
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  June 20, 2017 11:50am
kowtow

Meanwhile in Paris

“Police sources had previously said the driver was “unconscious on the ground”. Police sources told AFP he was armed with a Kalashnikov, hand guns and gas bottles.

According to BFM TV sources the driver was a 33-year-old, known to intelligence services. ”

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170619/breaking-police
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June 20, 2017 11:21am
Fletch

In a video, Paul Joseph Watson looks to see if the Left have applied the same standards to white terrorists as they do to Muslim terrorists. The answer? Of course not. No Facebook candle avatars, or “pray for” hashtags. No singing Don’t Look Back In Anger or charity pop concerts. No ‘keep calm and carry on’ mentality. Instead, it’s criticize white “islamophobe” day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb99RVT6afI

Funny how that works, ey?
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June 20, 2017 11:26am
- starboard
  
  Interesting vid. Watson is 100 correct.
  
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  June 20, 2017 11:52am
- itstricky
  
  Why do that when it’s far more insightful and easier to look at the contrasting comments on KB?
  
  “Well it was coming, they got some of their own back” pretty much summed it up, with a splattering of “it’s a set up”.
  
  No interest in “oh shit, this is exactly what ISIS want to happen”, stuff all remorse.
  
  I feel sad for the black hearts that produced those words out of their fingers.
  
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  June 20, 2017 11:55am
kowtow

And here was silly me believing all those scientists and repeaters telling us how hot and melty it was getting down there.

“If you’ve found yourself complaining about the winter chill, spare a thought for Scott Base overwinter staff who spent the weekend locked down amid one of the fiercest forms of storm on the planet.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/real-chill-air
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June 20, 2017 11:32am
Fletch

Well, well, well. Look at this. A new study shows that electric car batteries aren’t actually that better for the environment when all the manufacturing etc is taken into account. In fact, the comparison to one of the larger batteries show that you would need to drive a petrol car around for 8 years to generate the same amount of CO2 as one of these electric batteries.

The report shows that battery manufacturing leads to high CO2 emissions. For each kilowatt-hour storage capacity in the battery, emissions of 150 to 200 kilograms of carbon dioxide equivalent are generated, already in the factory.

The researchers have not studied individual car brand’s batteries, just how they were produced or what electrical mix they used. But to understand the importance of battery size here’s one example: Two standard electric cars on the market, Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S, have batteries of approximately 30 kWh and 100 kWh respectively.

As soon as you buy the car, CO2 emissions of approximately 5.3 tonnes and 17.5 tonnes, respectively, have been released for batteries of these sizes. The numbers may be difficult to relate to. By way of comparison, a trip for a person returning from Stockholm to New York by air causes emissions of more than 600 kilograms of carbon dioxide, according to the UN organization ICAO’s calculation model.

Mats-Ola Larsson, their colleague at IVL, has calculated how long you need to drive a petrol or diesel car before it has released as much carbon dioxide as an electric car battery. The result was 2.7 years for a battery of the same size as Nissan Leaf and 8.2 years for a battery of Tesla size, based on a series of assumptions.

https://www.thegwpf.com/new-study-large-co2-emissions-from-batteries-of-electric-cars/

So really, what is the point of cars powered by electric batteries if they cause more pollution that petrol or diesel?
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June 20, 2017 11:33am
- William of Ockham
  
  GWPF? Global Warming Policy Foundation. Lord Monckton of Loony and Lord Lawson of Blaby.
  
  Fuck my old boots you are gullible.
  
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  June 20, 2017 12:11pm
  - Reid
    
    What’s gullible is hallucinating the veracity or lack of it of any given data is granted by the author or the site it’s cited on. That’s as moronic as choosing a book based on the publisher.
    
    stephie and shawn herles does and did this all the time.
    
    Are you trying to emulate them? (I’d recommend not if you are thinking of it.)
    
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    June 20, 2017 12:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , so you feel climate change denier Lord Monckton has oodles of credibility ?
      
      In what ways ?
      
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      June 20, 2017 2:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        A Red Herring from Stooooopid Boy
        What a fool
        LOL
        
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        June 20, 2017 2:20pm
      - Reid
        
        We’d all like to think it’s a red herring AoR but that would imply stephie does it on purpose and I don’t think he does. Incredible as it may seem I think we’ve found someone who really is as dumb as he makes himself out to be. I think we should alert the authorities because surely there’s a medical scientist with an interest in mental pathology who’d be interested in a case which could conceivably turn out to change his or her entire career and put them on the conference circuit for decades.
        
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        June 20, 2017 3:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ,
        
        From William of Ockham earlier today,
        
        Rebuttal? Anti-matter and doesn’t-matter at wvw.Waggy_WaffleWeed.Con and wvw.All_Red_Herrings.con”
        
        “Pure Gold” was my totally justifiable response
        
        LMAO , sore loser !
        
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        June 20, 2017 3:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes Reid, he gets made to look stooopid and he loses day after day after day and yet comes back for more!
        Stephie is truly Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator.
        As for Dennis, he really doesn’t like all the inconvenient truth in AR5 WG1. He calls others gullible yet he holds the extreme view the temps going to go up 6-9C!
        Quite the effwit.
        
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        June 20, 2017 4:13pm
  - Fletch
    
    Here’s a link to the actual study. Make of it what you will.
    
    https://www.ivl.se/download/18.5922281715bdaebede9559/1496046218976/C243+The+life+cycle+energy+consumption+and+CO2+emissions+from+lithium+ion+batteries+.pdf
    
    Here’s an article in Swedish about it.
    
    http://www.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-6851761
    
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    June 20, 2017 12:33pm
  - KevOB
    
    I heard Lord Monckton address a meeting in Wellington. He has both wit and the mastery of analysis and presentation as fits a mathematician. They require facts and logic to operate not feelings and alarm.
    Both Lords Lawson & Monckton expect public expenditure to be justifed. Lord Lawson was a former Chancellor of the Exchequer and knew responsibility for costs. If AGW is real, adaptation is a more feasible economic option than attempting to be King Canute by preventing everything and gaining very little.
    
    Living in a world of uncertainty requires caution and prudence else costs may consume you unawares.
    
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    June 20, 2017 2:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Kevin OB , pity Christopher Monkton is a purveyor of quack remedies ,Birther Conspiracy theories and such like.
      
      But hey that is the price one pays dwelling in Climate change denial la la land.
      
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      June 20, 2017 3:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Says the guy who worships the sky fairy and believes in creationism.
        Lol
        
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        June 20, 2017 4:15pm
      - Inandout
        
        Not long before YuCat Stevens concert stephie, but I am sure the weather will be fine for you. If anyone here is going, see if you can spot a man in a grubby gabardine raincoat, ogling bountiful breasted young Muslim girls.
        
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        June 20, 2017 5:16pm
      - KevOB
        
        Believe what you will. Obama’s past remains still mainly deliberately hidden.
        
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        June 20, 2017 5:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Electric cars are coal-fired cars.
  
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  June 20, 2017 3:56pm
backster

Barclay should have co=operated with the Police….Like Chester Borrows did.
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June 20, 2017 12:06pm
cha

About that private server….
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Political data gathered on more than 198 million US citizens was exposed this month after a marketing firm contracted by the Republican National Committee stored internal documents on a publicly accessible Amazon server.

The data leak contains a wealth of personal information on roughly 61 percent of the US population. Along with home addresses, birthdates, and phone numbers, the records include advanced sentiment analyses used by political groups to predict where individual voters fall on hot-button issues such as gun ownership, stem cell research, and the right to abortion, as well as suspected religious affiliation and ethnicity. The data was amassed from a variety of sources—from the banned subreddit r/fatpeoplehate to American Crossroads, the super PAC co-founded by former White House strategist Karl Rove.

http://gizmodo.com/gop-data-firm-accidentally-leaks-personal-details-of-ne-1796211612?IR=T
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June 20, 2017 12:17pm
- Gabby
  
  At least it wasn’t a private server (like Lyin Hillary the Butcher of Benghazi and Sponsor of ISIS), so it’s pretty ok prolly.
  
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  June 20, 2017 1:54pm
Notsofast

From Palmerston North, Jono Galuszka writes

But the Crown managed to hold on to a key piece of evidence – the tissue on the shirt.

Scientists confirmed at a pre-trial hearing the tissue was from the central nervous system of something. They could not say what – a dog; a cat; a human – but it was undeniably there.

Dutch forensic scientist Laetetia Sijen was adamant there were obvious signs of human brain on the shirt, but a different forensic expert said Sijen’s testing was unfit for forensic work.

The tissue had low levels of cow, pig and sheep DNA in the stains. It also had large quantities of high quality DNA from Christine Lundy.

So:
cow pig and sheep dna existed in Christine’s brain?
How could this be?
The great hoax travels to Wellington high court in late October. Compelling entertainment, who would miss it?

Jono attended every day of the 2015 trial, and suggests if the brain is gone the crown case is gone.
This time round the appeal board will be required to state in writing that Lundy carried extra petrol if they choose to make any more false statements in the case. In 2002 Tipping stated this verbally in court, but lacked the intestinal fortitude to put it in writing. Morgan prosecutor in 2015 made a pathetic attempt to get the consumption down to 12 liters per 100 km, he is hoist by this petard. He should be sacked as prosecutor for this appeal.
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June 20, 2017 12:21pm
Inandout

I notice Bunnings Australia treated framing seems cheaper than here. Could that be why our construction costs are so high?

https://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/building-hardware/timber/structural
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June 20, 2017 12:22pm
- KevOB
  
  Retail prices are no guide to trade and volume prices. I suspect that NZ produced housing supplies are very fully priced and real competition is needed.
  
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  June 20, 2017 2:41pm
Manolo

Obama’s ruinous legacy:
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/338497-only-obamacare-insurer-in-most-iowa-counties-to-hike-premiums-by-435

One of the last insurers on Iowa’s ObamaCare exchanges announced Monday it would sell plans in 2018 but proposed an average rate increase of 43.5%.
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June 20, 2017 1:16pm
publicwatchdog

Today – the Point England Enabling Bill is number 3 on the Order Paper.

If Green Party MPs ‘sit on the fence’ and abstain on this arguably classic environmental issue – I for one will be VERY outspoken – because, in my opinion, this is a SELLOUT.

Why on earth does Minister for Building and Construction Nick Smith, want to carve a quarter of the Point England Reserve, for more private property development, when, on HIS watch, there are 76 bare sections and apparently 70 empty, former Housing NZ houses already in Tamaki?

(The same arguments apply to National Party, ACT, and MAORI Party MPs.)

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate
Tamaki electorate.

(Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.)
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June 20, 2017 1:22pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Pennyidiot.
  You could also add a soon-to-be-vacant dump in School Road.
  
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  June 20, 2017 1:44pm
  - RalphT
    
    Please, Captain, a bit of charity. I believe that doer-upper is the nicer way to describe a dump in School Road.
    
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    June 20, 2017 2:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  Excellent. The sooner the houses get built the better
  
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  June 20, 2017 2:05pm
- stigie
  
  “I for one will be VERY outspoken – because, in my opinion, this is a SELLOUT.”
  
  Save it Penny for when your house gets auctioned off anytime soon by the AC lawyers !~
  
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  June 20, 2017 2:23pm
  - zonic
    
    1 thing – publicwatchdog is right about the greens selling out and the whole thing is a big sell off or land grab.
    
    Most of NZ will believe the govt subterfuge and others are still asleep. I will look on with concern or laughter how this pans out for NZ.
    
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    June 20, 2017 2:55pm
Jack5

Ah, the joys of ethnic cuisine.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/93855888
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June 20, 2017 2:27pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Reminds me of a Japanese joke about Chinese wontons actually being wan-wan-tons.
  
  Ref: http://jpninfo.com/4928
  
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  June 20, 2017 5:40pm
noskire

Obviously Todd Barclay is a liability for National, and not fit to be an MP.
Not quite gone by lunchtime, but hopefully will be by the end of the week. What a jumped-up, self-entitled little twerp he appears to be.
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June 20, 2017 2:40pm
- skyblue
  
  Maybe Barnicle Bill will follow, both are lying liabilites.
  
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  June 20, 2017 2:49pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The msm are turning themselves inside out not knowing what to call BE today regarding the Todd Barclay revelations this morning. Early this morning P.Gower was calling for Bill’s head because he was covering for Barclay’s behaviour in having recorded a senior staff member in the electorate office.
    The latest news bulletin has said BE “has thrown Todd Barclay to the wolves” as BE had informed the police of the recording back when they were first informed of the event.
    Oh dear, foiled again by Honest Bill.
    
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    June 20, 2017 3:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He’s almost as much of a little twerp as Hipkins, aka the teacher’s pet, who got rightly biffed out of the House today.
  
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  June 20, 2017 4:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston First was a total disgrace again in Question time and this coming from a long serving MP that should be setting examples.
    
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    June 20, 2017 4:22pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Barclay has failed the “no dickheads” rule.
  He needs to resign.
  I don’t care how much DPF is painting him as a victim, he has compromised the Government too much, especially so close to a GE.
  
  I was supportive of Nikki Wagner – Barclay is a completely different matter
  
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  June 20, 2017 7:06pm
Stars And Stripes

Wellington walkway known as ‘rape alley’ to be renamed
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11879552.
“Tomorrow, Wellington City councillors will consider a proposal to name the path Kake Tonu Way, which means ever upwards in Maori.
Wellington City Council safe city adviser Julia Hamilton said the council undertook a safety audit of the site after the assault in January.
She said that resulted in the decision to name the path, increase maintenance in the area, install a CCTV camera, paint a mural and undertake earthworks to improve sightlines.
People have perceived this as an unsafe space so through this project we’re really hoping to change that perception and have it seen as a positive space, a safe space for people to come and go.”

One would have thought that installing the CCTV camera and trimming vegetation would have been enough on its own but it seems that to make something truly a “safe positive space” you also need to give it a Māori name and paint a mural.
Well why not go all the way and have a choir singing peace songs and people handing out organic fruit along the way as well.
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June 20, 2017 2:50pm
- Reid
  
  You’d think some of the Gween feminist brigade would volunteer themselves as guards seeing as how they care so much about wimmin, wouldn’t you.
  
  I doubt any rapist would hang around in the bushes with those creatures stomping round, just itching to inflict major damage on the hated male patriarchy.
  
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  June 20, 2017 3:11pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Paint a mural..FFS I suppose the SAS could paint some murals in Afghanistan and the ragheads would just give up…..
  
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  June 20, 2017 4:57pm
Reid

Taxpayers in California will soon be forced to sponsor so-called “Social Justice Activists” (SJAs) who will be tasked with patrolling college campuses and “educating” their fellow students about the systematic oppression supposedly being instigated upon them by white, straight males.

The University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) has agreed to start paying between 8-10 SJAs to walk around campus and indoctrinate whomever they come across about the perils of whiteness, patriarchy, and heteronormativity.

http://newstarget.com/2017-06-16-unreal-universities-now-paying-students-to-bully-classmates-guilty-of-thought-crimes.html

Are you a herteronormative, punk? Well? Are ya?
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June 20, 2017 3:59pm
Grant

I never thought I’d hear a bloke reaching orgasm on Newstalk ZB, but if that wasn’t what B. Soper was doing over the Bill English/ Todd Barclay saga at about 14.10 this afternoon, then Barry could surely get a job doing voice overs for porn movies!
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June 20, 2017 4:01pm
- Reid
  
  That’s not an image we can easily forget Grant. Thanks a lot…
  
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  June 20, 2017 4:05pm
Reid

The Officers and crew of the USS Fitzgerald are being ORDERED to sign a NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, concealing all details of events leading up to, and in the aftermath of, its collision with the Philippines cargo ship, ACX Crystal.

Two persons with direct knowledge of the facts have revealed the Officers and crew are being threatened with Court Martial if they disclose any information about the events of that night in violation of the NDA. Anyone refusing to sign the NDA has been told they will be arrested and face a Court Martial for “refusing to obey a lawful order” and further that they “will be jailed for decades.”

Whatever took place in this incident is clearly so serious or sensitive, the Pentagon is going all-out to conceal the details.

The persons with whom I spoke say they know exactly what took place and “there is ample reason for the Pentagon to be freaking-out about it.”

When I asked to be told what took place, these persons declined to reveal it to me . . . . “at least for now.”

http://halturnershow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/643-red-flag-crew-of-uss-fitzgerald-being-ordered-to-sign-non-disclosure-agreements-about-collision-with-philippines-ship
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June 20, 2017 4:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why has the paragraphing suddenly gone to centre-alignment? Very odd.
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June 20, 2017 4:10pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Very centerist.
  
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  June 20, 2017 4:17pm
- Brigitte
  
  Is DPF giving us a subtle hint of a shift in the Nats political position on the left-centre-right spectrum?
  
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  June 20, 2017 4:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Thank goodness , I thought I had hit some function button or other by mistake.
    
    This is one occasion I would support a shift to the left.
    
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    June 20, 2017 4:53pm
- simpleton1
  
  Those centrist policies sure stuffs up the nesting.
  
  I am hoping that in sorting out this technical issue the “report” might migrate to the other side of the date.
  
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  June 20, 2017 6:30pm
Reid

You have to see this: eye-witnesses and neighbours from Grenfell Tower telling you what went on. 500 people lived there, it was the middle of the night, so far they have said about 60 killed and 100 “missing.”

While the media pretends nothing’s wrong and films the Queen’s visit as if nothing happened. On the video you have clips of firefighters just sitting around, while people were burning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5G3A_xPBJE
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June 20, 2017 4:22pm
chiz

How Americans see us.
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June 20, 2017 4:25pm
Rodney Randall

Tv One, tonite, are advertising some BBC programme: Islamophobia in London.

Promos feature pious Anglican Minister lamenting over threats to Islam.

The Lugenpresse sure are busy spinning it fresh off the back of the recent reprisal attack:)

FUCK OFF TVNZ
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June 20, 2017 5:56pm
- Inandout
  
  The Anglican Church started to rot in the 1960s when they let radical ministers loose. Most of their churches have closed and the remaining flocks mainly consist of ‘waiting for Gods’. The church is now merely a shell of its former self, and will go along with just about any anti Christ ideas. C of E is the Sky TV of the mainstream religions; a sunset outfit.
  
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  June 20, 2017 6:22pm
nasska

…..” C of E is the Sky TV of the mainstream religions; a sunset outfit”…..

Great news. Just Islam & the Catholics to go & the world will be a better place.
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June 20, 2017 6:34pm
Fletch

If you have Tampermonkey or Greasemonkey installed, use this script to left-align the text again.

Just create a new script, then copy and paste the below –

// ==UserScript==
// @name New Userscript
// @namespace http://tampermonkey.net/
// @version 0.1
// @description try to take over the world!
// @author You
// @match http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/*
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

function addGlobalStyle(css) {
var head, style;
head = document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0];
if (!head) { return; }
style = document.createElement('style');
style.type = 'text/css';
style.innerHTML = css;
head.appendChild(style);
}

addGlobalStyle('.postsec.ad { text-align: left !important; }');
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June 20, 2017 7:10pm
- nasska
  
  You haven’t got anything simpler to sort it out for those of us who struggle with the “power” button do you Fletch? 🙂
  
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  June 20, 2017 7:33pm
  - Fletch
    
    LOL
    
    Is not that hard. If you use Chrome, just install the Tamper Monkey extension. If you use Firefox, install the Grease monkey extension.
    
    I use Chrome, so I have Tamper Monkey installed.
    Then you just click the Tamper Monkey icon on the toolbar up, top, go to Create a New Script. Then paste the script I have above and click the Save button (looks like a lil disc). The next time you come to Kiwiblog it just works. Of course, they’ll probably fix it by tomorrow, so might not be worth it.
    
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    June 20, 2017 7:43pm
    - Reid
      
      What do you think happened Fletch?
      
      Just seems odd, to have the css change like that.
      
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      June 20, 2017 9:59pm
      - Fletch
        
        Yeh, I dunno. I’m no web expert. Maybe they upgraded something?
        Certainly is weird though.
        
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        June 20, 2017 10:02pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap7FLVc0mVo

“Radical Muslim gets owned by British man.”

Published on Apr 17, 2017
Just two weeks after the attacks in Westminster. An Englishman confronts a multitude of radical Islamists in London defending Sharia law, polygamy and the right of the husband to beat his women.

9-29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Sura 9-29, The Coran.

The punishment for apostacy in Islam:

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu’adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu’adh asked, “What is wrong with this (man)?” Abu Musa replied, “He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism.” Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260

A good lighthearted interaction with some humour at the end.

The British man is speaking to a brick wall
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June 20, 2017 7:11pm
publicwatchdog

Today at 4.45pm I received an OIA reply from Minister for Building and Construction, Nick Smith, regarding evidence I have provided which proves that the Local Government and Environment Select Committee was given inaccurate advice regarding the Pt England Development Enabling Bill.

Nick Smith advised me to contact the Chair of the Local Government and Environment Select Committee – Andrew Bayly if I thought the Selecr Committee had been given inaccurate advice – which I have.

How can the House proceed with the
Pt England Development Enabling Bill if information about this Bill has been based upon inaccurate advice?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for
Tamaki electorate.

Exposing the $1.6 billion Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.
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June 20, 2017 8:56pm
- Kimbo
  
  Er, Penny, while we’ve had our differences, and I don’t resile from the c-bomb I hurled on you some 17 months ago because you deserved it and I was happy to cop the ban
  
  …thank you for posting the Jonathon Pie youtube clip you did yesterday. I have little doubt it was, like most of the Jonathan Pie ensemble when one views it after a short while, cliched and simplistic, and typical raedical left propaganda trying to portray some tedious neo-Dickensian horror show. Nonetheless, it at least raised some valid questions about the apartment fire in London last week.
  
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  June 20, 2017 9:38pm
Jack5

Has DPF said anywhere whether the centred, unjustified text we have today is a new style, or is just something temporary?
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June 21, 2017 12:34am
Manolo

The joyful sights of Mt Roskill:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4619858/Muslim-psychiatrist-says-hijabs-beards-middle-finger.html
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