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June 19, 2017 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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RalphT

Where is he? Is he not well? The balance of the universe has been tilted.
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June 19, 2017 8:01am
- Lance
  
  Stop summoning the troll…. please………..
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:05am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not
    
    Shall I take his place?
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:01am
- jms
  
  Is he not well?
  
  On the contrary. By not posting, it suggests he might be on the mend.
  
  Here’s hoping for a complete and enduring recovery.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:10am
- thedavincimode
  
  Struggling for motivation to get onto his foils after consistently winning the starts but then completely disappearing off the course in very short order.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  Who cares !
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:57am
oldpark

So far so good. Up to now Emirates Team NZ ,is spitting all over the flap jaw Jimmy Spithall. In fact more than a spit,its a flood. Wonder what box of sneaky copying tricks will Spithall and co ,get up to ,by next Sunday,when Team NZ, sets out to finish the job,and drown the loud mouth Australian Jimmy Spithall,and his team of pretenders. We were caught once in San Fran,by you know who,never again.
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June 19, 2017 8:07am
Happychappy

Another day of Pike River ahead and will Winston tell Chuck to get his gear ready to be part of the recovery team.
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June 19, 2017 8:09am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Happy, what gear is required to go in the drift?
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:49am
  - Happychappy
    
    Chuck how would I know I am not silly enough to find out.
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:18am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You say it is extremely dangerous but you know nothing about the experts proposal.
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:25am
      - Happychappy
        
        Chuck surely you are not trying to say you are a expert at this to.
        
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        June 19, 2017 10:36am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    We could send you in first in your birthday suit, as a human canary. We could tie a rope around you and drag you back out if you drop dead – that’s assuming there’s someone who would want you retrieved.
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:45am
  - sooty
    
    A tin foil hat for a start. Cast iron underpants might help.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:48am
  - cmm
    
    So you don’t know what’s required, but you’re still up for offering an opinion that it’s safe!
    
    Let me help you. Back in the old days all the miners needed was a pick, matches, a candle and a couple of smokes for lunch.
    
    Get that together and you should be sweet.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:13pm
Scott

Another day and another day of CNN talking about Russia. The big narrative is that the election was hacked by the Russians which explains why the Democrats lost. And the really big story is that Donald Trump is a Manchurian candidate, a traitor to his country, who deliberately colluded with the Russians to win the election.

Does anyone actually believe that Donald Trump is a traitor to his country in league with the Russians? Does anyone actually believe that?

Or is it just a convenient narrative to try and bring down Donald Trump who liberals hate?

I’d be interested if anyone actually believes that Donald Trump betrayed his country to the Russians to win the election? I don’t think the Democrats actually believe it. They just want to bring down Donald Trump.
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June 19, 2017 8:19am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Hillary lost because of the Russians. Theresa May is to blame for the Grenfell fire. And Nicky Wagner expressing a preference for boating on the harbour over sitting in meetings all day proves she doesn’t care about disabled people. All things you can learn from the MSM if you just pay attention.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:59am
  - ross411
    
    I really like the way that Theresa sent mental commands to the subhuman whose fridge caught on fire, packed a bag, and was ready to leave the building, and only then decided to warn their next door neighbour. It is clearly not the subhuman’s fault, they only did what a normal moral human being would.
    
    How much damage does the MSM do on a daily basis? A rhetorical question, considering the republican shooting and the Trump is hitler articles.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:32am
    - GoVege
      
      What about the “subhuman” who chose the cheaper, flammable type of cladding that was never meant to be used on high-rise buildings?
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:20am
marquess

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8 dead on our roads this weekend. This is what happens when roading money is spent on uneconomic white elephants rather than essential safety upgrades.

The NZTA and the Minister need to apologise to each and every family affected by these crashes.
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June 19, 2017 8:19am
- rightoverlabour
  
  So its the govt’s fault when people drive like idiots? Labour going to apologise to all the victims during their 9 year reign of terror? Idiot
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:23am
  - marquess
    
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    It’s the government’s policy to build loss making vanity projects rather than prioritising safety upgrades that would be quicker and a fraction of the price.
    
    Those skewed priorities mean they bear some responsibility when accidents like this occur, and should grow a spine and apologise or fix the issues.
    
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    June 19, 2017 8:29am
    - Happychappy
      
      Driving to the conditions might help and like most people on here there is a need for speed.
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:37am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Of course, the People’s Republic of RTrower will have bus and cycle lanes for all!
      
      Just give the left one more chance to work the magic of socialism
      
      Knobs, all of them
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:02am
      - RF
        
        Drove through Christchurch last weekend.
        
        The lunatics have left the asylum and now work for the city council road planning. Wide cycle paths with high concrete edges causing traffic bottle necks and virtually nil parking through the city.
        
        Bat shit crazy.
        
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        June 19, 2017 10:55am
    - Chris R
      
      “Vanity projects?” The most palpable vanity in NZ is currently exhibited by the Labour Party. That bunch of fools are vain enough to imagine anyone (other than perhaps you?) could consider voting for them. For the record, the Transmission Gully development isn’t and never will be, anything other than an economic boost for all who live in Wellington through to Palmerston North.
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:32am
- peterwn
  
  ‘economic white elephants’ such as? At least three examples please?
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:25am
  - marquess
    
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    Holiday highway, East West link, transmission gully.
    
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    June 19, 2017 8:30am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Do the latest polls have you down in the dumps this morning?
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        No; he’s playing in the product of someone else’s dump.
        
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        June 19, 2017 10:46am
    - Lance
      
      So you and your Labour chums hate the people of Auckland, Northland and Wellington.
      Keep it up for the next election, you’re onto a winner
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:39am
      - marquess
        
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        Tell that to the families of the 8 dead
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:43am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I’m pretty sure even those families are intelligent enough to realise the roads didn’t leer up and kill. Unlike our least favourite Labour Party mong.
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:49am
      - RRM
        
        marquess
        
        Tell that to the families of the 8 dead
        
        :-/
        
        That’s got to be a new low even for a leftist scumbag like you.
        
        “Those people would be alive today if only [insert Liarbore Party talking point here].”
        
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        June 19, 2017 11:24am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Have you ever driven up north? We need that road to get northland going and we deserve it. Calling it the holiday highway is a joke and an insult to every northlander.
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:43am
      - peterwn
        
        The name “Holiday Highway” seems to have semi-official recognition. This must annoy its opponents.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:13am
    - KevOB
      
      You’ve plainly never lived in Wellington with only the dangerous coastal exit route.
      
      Another expert on traffic de-congestion in Auckland too.
      
      The top of NZ has been left in the boondocks for years. They are citizens with rights to development.
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:44am
    - Liberty
      
      An efficient roading system doesn’t fit in with
      The coalition of losers 1950s mentality.
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:59am
    - srylands
      
      Transmission Gully when it opens will be like a horror story has ended for the people of the Wellington region. It will save lives, provide a much needed gateway to Wellington, and will provide resilience in the face of the next big earthquake. It will be a valued piece of infrastructure for the next century.
      
      Turning to your main thesis. How does expenditure on road safety improvements under the current government compare to the nine years of the last Labour Government? Expenditure on the safe Roads programme has increased:
      
      https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/Safety/docs/Safe-roads-alliance/Frequently-asked-questions-final.pdf
      
      Can you point to any evidence that the current Government is degrading expenditure on road safety? Because it seems to be spending much MORE than the last labour Government:
      
      https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/annual-report-nzta/2015-16/nltf-annual-report-2016.pdf
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:10am
    - ex-golfer
      
      East West link? Helen Clark was crowing on Twitter over the weekend that it was her government that set it in motion!
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:22am
    - infused
      
      Such an idiot
      
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      June 19, 2017 12:35pm
- kowtow
  
  So it’s the ministers’ fault when people don’t drive to the conditions in fog?
  
  Marquess is an offensive troll.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  Police management take the credit when there’s a zero toll , does that mean they are to blame when there are deaths ?
  
  They can’t have it both ways.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:32am
  - ross411
    
    What on earth are you talking about?
    
    The police do not advocate bad practices that people adopt, and which increase the toll. Therefore, they are not responsible for the stupid or ignorant shit people do.
    
    The police do advocate good practices (and some pointless) that people adopt, which decrease the toll. Therefore they are responsible for helping the stupid or ignorant people avoid problems (or worse).
    
    Everything isn’t a situation where blame should be assigned, or outrage vented. They can have it both ways, because shit isn’t binary and correlation does not mean causation.
    
    Seriously?
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:56am
    - kowtow
      
      “Seriously?”
      
      They take credit for zero road deaths when it ‘s actually a matter of chance and circumstance. They use a zero toll to justify their ridiculous part time enforcement of arbitrary speed limits , so yes why not ask when there’s horrendous death and destruction they must be asked ,why ?
      
      If they want credit when things go well , they must accept criticism when things go badly.
      
      The real point here is they have no real influence on what happpens on all the roads across the whole country …….speed is not the only factor in fatalities as most fatalities occur below the posted speed limit.
      
      Southern police were pleased with the effect of their “zero tolerance” blitz on speed this weekend, but hoped the road toll would stay low as people returned home after long weekend marked by heavy rain, surface flooding and snow.
      
      “We are really happy. We think it has been a success, the message got out there.”
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/zero-tolerance-successful
      
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      June 19, 2017 11:15am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  There’s the issue right there.
  Two opposing life views:
  1. The State must make our roads safer.
  2. Drive according to the conditions.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:48am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  With few exceptions, NZ roads are safe–provided that you drive to the conditions.
  
  The only inherently unsafe sealed road I have driven on in this country is the Akatawara road, and even its failing could be mitigated with Japanese-style convex mirrors on the corners to give indications of oncoming traffic to prevent head-on crashes.
  Ref (go to 40 sec): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T6hy0QXhGk
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:54am
  - Inandout
    
    That road is safe if you are a competent driver and approach every blind corner with skill. It also helps if you have a narrow car,
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:02am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The next time I drive on the Akatawara Road (no wider than a suburban driveway in many places) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bu9gxonaco), it will be at night, as it will be much safer than during the day.
      
      The reason for this is that at night, you can see the light from oncoming car headlights reflected off the corner trees and embankments long before the vehicle is in line of sight.
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:07am
      - Swifty
        
        Night is much safer.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:16am
      - srylands
        
        Yes I agree. I have only driven it once, and I felt that no matter how slowly or attentively I drove, I was at material risk of colliding with a vehicle coming the other way.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:38am
      - Inandout
        
        Crash
        % Crash Costs
        OTAKI GORGE ROAD 1500 E SH 1N 1 1 1 1 4 3 25 75 $4,048,707
        SCHOOL ROAD 20 E SH 1N 1 1 1 3 1 33 $1,757,637
        PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD 2000 E SH 1N 5 3 3 11 5 9 27 $1,580,633
        OTAIHANGA ROAD 800 E RATANUI ROAD 1 1 4 2 8 5 38 25 $1,248,064
        WATERFALL ROAD 1000 E SH 1N 1 2 2 2 7 5 29 14 $1,214,663
        PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD 3000 S SH 1N 1 2 3 33 $1,119,160
        REIKORANGI ROAD 1230 S PONEKE DRIVE 1 2 1 4 25 50 $1,099,560
        OTAIHANGA ROAD 400 E RATANUI ROAD 1 2 1 4 3 25 $1,052,766
        RATANUI ROAD I OTAIHANGA ROAD 4 3 5 3 1 16 12 38 31 $810,810
        AKATARAWA ROAD 500 N AKATARAWA SUM 1 1 1 3 2 33 $166,532
        AKATARAWA ROAD 2500 E REIKORANGI ROAD 2 1 3 2 67 $165,552
        POPLAR AVENUE 200 W SH 1N 1 1 1 1 4 4 25 $151,663
        REIKORANGI ROAD 1000 S NGATIAWA ROAD 2 1 3 3 33 33 $115,784
        WATERFALL ROAD 300 W VALLEY ROAD 1 2 3 3 $113,027
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        Injury costs over 5 years, so Akatarawa appears mainly small crashes.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:47am
      - KevOB
        
        Keep to the very left and drive slower to allow for the twists and turns. I would not like to drive the Akatarawa Road at night.
        
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        June 19, 2017 10:31am
    - Pateke
      
      And your lights on.
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      @Inandout, I’ve ridden it on my road bike. That’s kinda narrow 🙂
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:55am
      - Inandout
        
        And you are still mortal.
        
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        June 19, 2017 11:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, be very careful if you ever have to drive between Napier and Gisborne…. you’ve got at least 3 “Akatarawa” stretches to drive along.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:37am
  - peterwn
    
    The easiest way of making Akatarawa Road safer is to install a toll road system – you have to pay a toll or get an infringement notice if you enter the road and exit it at the other end less than two hours later. This will reduce the through traffic for which the road was not intended.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:46am
- Swifty
  
  A pathetic smear attempt – unless, of course, you have the solid evidence that all deaths were directly caused by unsafe roads…..
  
  My money’s on the former.
  
  Nasty, nasty Labour people – trying to score cheap political points off the back of tragedy.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:56am
- dime
  
  what a gross little comment.
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    She didn’t limit herself to just the one . . . . .
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:43am
- Peter
  
  So Marquess, if people die on roads, then it is the fault of governments who build a new road somewhere else?
  
  Can you explain why the thousands of people who drive that road every day don’t die or crash? Could it be that other variables play a much greater role in fatal crashes?
  
  If you would give the matter some serious thought, that would be great.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Just when you thought Labour trolls couldn’t sink any lower, along comes marquess, revelling in road deaths.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:44am
  - marquess
    
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    Revelling in road deaths? Stop talking from your lower set of cheeks.
    
    Advocating that we don’t spend billions on 0.6BCR roads, and instead listen to rural New Zealand about their critically needed road safety improvements isn’t revelling in anybody’s death. What a disgusting comment.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:17am
    - 4077th
      
      Using the deaths of 8 people to score political points is lower than low. You already won the prize for disgusting!
      
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      June 19, 2017 11:37am
    - srylands
      
      What exactly do you know about cost benefit analysis?
      
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      June 19, 2017 11:48am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Less chicken salt shaken equals more profit for the fat cat business owner
        
        Marquis is all over cost benefit analysis
        
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        June 19, 2017 12:28pm
    - Nermal
      
      As a roading engineer I can assure you that BCR is like Labour’s internal polling. Ask the right questions and it will tell you exactly what you want to hear,
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:08pm
- Swifty
  
  Another road death today, this time near Taupo.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93820494/person-dead-after-vehicle-hits-tree
  
  Poor roads? Heartless National politicians scrimping on road safety? Nope, appears he was caning it.
  
  My heartfelt condolences to the family.
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:33pm
  - Viking2
    
    Nothing wrong with that road.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:24pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  What? Like constant referral and opposition to the “holiday highway” Marquess? How many must die on that road before the those outside government consider that one essential? Or is Labour prepared to wear those victims blood on their hands? Completing the Auckland roading network (designed in the 50’s) should have been a priority for governments well before this one.
  
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  June 19, 2017 7:28pm
duggledog

Winston’s also going to get a binding referendum on deleting the anti smacking law, should he be in a position to do so later this year.

More votes for NZF, the only party to call out the Maori gravy train, immigration rorts and Muslims
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June 19, 2017 8:20am
- G152
  
  There will be a binding but more of an internal canal for the drunken dwarf..
  And hopefully the electors will keep him in a position of powerless popinjay who promises all and delivers nothing
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    I wonder if Winston thinks by promising to hit Immigration rorts it might be looked at redemption for the unethical dealing from him over Owen Glenn I think it was.
    
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    June 19, 2017 8:45am
- Happychappy
  
  Pigs might fly also, a vote for Peters means Labour and more of the same.
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:33am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “a vote for Peters means Labour and more of the same.”
    
    That will only be the case if Bill English acts like you think he should. National has an obligation to all who voted National to negotiate in good faith.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:54am
    - Happychappy
      
      There is one difference Chuck Winston does not negotiate for his Party he does it for himself and his ego so it will be no different from the past Winston First, then what he can get for his Party. So if you think that Bill English has to negotiate in good faith maybe you might and I say might be able to persuade Winston to do the same. Never been done before but there is always a first time, maybe in your dreams.
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:31am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Happy, I have more confidence in English’s negotiation skills than you have. Little was asked about a referendum on the anti-smacking law. He was very negative. I cannot remember his exact words. When English was asked he gave the sensible answer that he was not going to enter into coalition arrangements 3 months out from the election.
        
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        June 19, 2017 3:02pm
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog , swell the Muslim bashing vote by say 00.00350 % = 51 KB downtickers ?
  
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  June 19, 2017 8:56am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Is that a challenge to get you to 51 down ticks today?
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:21am
- Inandout
  
  Winnie is taking the Devoid to task after she accused him of racism. I would imagine Devoid’s chances of keeping her job under a Nat/NZF coalition would be zilch.
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:05am
  - Happychappy
    
    You guys have lost touch with reality if you really believe Winston would help National form a Government. This is all about Winston First and how big his ego is.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:25am
    - Inandout
      
      It will probably come to pass that NZF will be in some form of coalition. The chances of Winston joining forces with Lab/Green/Crazies are virtually nil.
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:39am
    - Happychappy
      
      Inandout: It will not help his cause having Blubber Oil pumping for Winston First and he could lose a well needed % point that might or could help make him kingmaker.
      
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      June 19, 2017 10:58am
      - Inandout
        
        What is WO’s readership? Their stats appear out of date.
        
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        June 19, 2017 11:49am
    - KevOB
      
      Who wants Winston’s lot? Apart from adding numbers prospectively his bench mates demonstrate how MMP has dumbed down Parliament. Labour have issues: WinstonFirst need sleep.
      
      There are going to have to be compulsory competency tests for pre-qualification for List MP selection.
      
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      June 19, 2017 1:18pm
  - G152
    
    Careful there. It’s almost like you think peters has a purpose
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:40am
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Duggledog,
  
  I think the vote of NZ First is going to surpirise the Pollsters.
  
  The “Don’t vote NZF because they’re “racist” scaremongering has worn off as ordinary decent family people are sick to their back teeth of being told how bad we all are. (It must come as a surprise to Devoy that we’re constantly voted as the world’s friendliest nation from all those tourist surveys)
  
  A SJW of mine shared this article today on Facebook
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/93577160/dave-armstrong-fighting-racism-is-trickier-than-you-might-think
  
  and highlighted the below passage and received almost unaninimosuly a lashing from people sick to death with the direction our country is heading.
  
  Though a Pakeha redneck in a ute yelling at a “bloody Asian” driver should be condemned, how different is he really to the smiling middle-class parent who quietly drives their child out of the multicultural area where they live to a higher decile ‘white flight’ school? Racism is often ugly, but it can also be a tiny bit subtle
  
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  It almost seems as if the ruling class want to turn our country into a heavily divided country along race lines. We’ve seen the disaster of America and don’t want the same shit here and this type of rhetoric just has to stop.
  
  I am predicting NZF is going to surpirse – through gritted teeth, people realise this nonsense and direction has to stop and Winston might be the wake up call our Political class needs.
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:21am
  - lifesgood
    
    Parents moving their children to another school could be because they want their children to be in a class where the teacher doesn’t have to spend most of the day dealing with kids who can’t speak English, don’t have the basics in literacy or numeracy and often have huge social issues at home. I don’t blame parents wanting the best for their children.
    
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    June 19, 2017 9:55am
  - CHFR
    
    Anyone who votes for Winston thinking “this time it will be different and he will do what he says” is like the abused partner who keeps going back. Winston has never kept a promise and the MP’s he brings with him are of such low caliber they add to the cynicism we have for politicians.
    The only thing I want this time round is a politician who makes promises they can keep not pie in the sky stuff there is no chance of coming to pass and for them to realise they serve us not the other way around. I also want a unicorn and think I have much more chance of getting this wish /sigh.
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:32am
- Liberty
  
  Peters only sucks in losers. Which only weakens labours vote.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:19am
- smttc
  
  Winston Peters. The Uncle Tom of NZ politics.
  
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  June 19, 2017 11:27am
oldpark

Lie-bour/Green gang of no hopers,get a massive hand out of tens of thousands of dollars from a tin pot union. Bet the members are not “dancing” in the streets to know their money, has been given to such a bunch of losers,who are performing “,the dance of the desperate.” Surely the money would have gone a long way helping out”,womens refuge”,or even SPCA, where a feel good factor,would make it worth while.
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June 19, 2017 8:31am
MCos

I don’t know whether the Lions will prevail against the ABs this weekend, but either way nobody could accuse them of playing scintillating rugby.
By the sounds of things it’s going to be wet in Auckland this week too.
For hard out supporters of either side eighty minutes of dour grind may be acceptable, but for everyone else it’s pretty tedious. As it is crowd numbers are dwindling away, both at the ground and via Sky.
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June 19, 2017 8:35am
- Kimbo
  
  It is international TV spectators in the South African and UK timezone who fund the (‘scuse the pun) lions share of NZ pro rugby via Sky TV subscriptions and indirectly attracting big sponsors, not the relatively small domestic TV market, much less those who go to the games . Even big ticket events such as the 2011 RWC and once-in-twelve-years Lions tours are made viable but the large influx of overseas supporters. Moan all you want about “dour” and “tedious” rugby. The Wallabies are neither of those, but the Bledisloe Cup is being slowly devalued as it is not…competitive. That is the first prerequisite for a quality product.
  
  Good on the Lions, after the debacle of 2005 for coming here, and despite losing some midweek games (and their dirt trackers may still drop the matches to the Chiefs and Hurricanes), for their #1 team squeezing the life out of a previously unbeaten Crusaders, and clinically dismantling the Maori. From a rugby purists point of view those two wins were impressive, interesting and worth the watch, with a fascinating contrast in styles in prospect for the test matches.
  
  With good reason Lions supporters and fans out here spending their GBP will be heartened, and the prospect of a good show down against the All Blacks will make their investment worthwhile. If I was Warren Gatland, and hearing Kiwi rugby media and fans grizzling about the supposed lack of entertainment I’d be overjoyed, as it means he is on track to at least have a shot. Especially as, before the Crusaders game everyone was moaning his team would struggle against New Zealand teams. Nope. Not on the evidence of the last two Saturdays.
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:54am
  - cmm
    
    Astute, except I think for the “South African timezone” bit.
    
    Remember that South Africa has a relatively small population of rugby faithful – pretty much the same as NZ.
    
    The vast majority of South Africans are far more interested in ibhola.
    
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    June 19, 2017 12:08pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Interesting. Steve Tew justified the NZRU approving the expansion of the Super Rugby teams, particularly that sixth team in South Africa as it would significantly boost subscriber numbers and the overall profits to be divided up, yet present no costs to NZ rugby. And I think that out of the three SANZAR nations, the Saffers still contribute much more of the revenue to Sky compared to Aussie and NZ.
      
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      June 19, 2017 12:12pm
kowtow

“As it is crowd numbers are dwindling away, both at the ground and via Sky.”

There’s only so many feathers the fuckers can pluck before the golden goose kicks for touch because the powers that be aren’t on the ball .
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June 19, 2017 9:01am
Manolo

Interesting article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rage-is-all-the-rage-and-its-dangerous-1497571401?mod=e2tw&mod=e2tw
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June 19, 2017 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I must go cratering one day.
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:44am
krazykiwi

Since 2006, $250 billion has been ~~spent~~ wasted every year by government mandated renewable energy programs.

♦ Wind & solar still account for < 1.6% of global energy creation
♦ 'investors' in the sector have profited by effectively taking money from the pockets of the masses
♦ Energy prices have risen leading to increased fuel poverty deaths.

$250b per year! What a tragic waste of resources that could have been used so much more effectively on health, education, and food security.
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June 19, 2017 9:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crap technology
  
  Here’s a wind-turbine on fire
  https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2017/06/08/wind-turbine-catches-fire-in-donley-county/
  
  Couple more on fire last week
  http://www.windaction.org/posts/46824-fire-reported-at-nordex-powered-wind-farm-in-england#.WUb2qCN941B
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:56am
  - Lance
    
    Sorry Maggy
    Your point is irrelevant. By all means berate it’s cost effectiveness, visual pollution etc.
    But any generator can catch fire. There is magnetic and electrical energy that just wants to heat something up. With a bit of luck most of the time that is channeled harmlessly away into electric current and carried to distant locals to be ultimately expended as heat (through various means).
    However if the wingdings break down, gear boxes fail etc then the energy gets dissipated in the generator. e.g in hydro dams there is often an entire level (as in a floor) of fire extinguishers that dump into the windings in case of fire.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But any generator can catch fire.
      
      I’m damn glad every car I’ve ever driven didn’t burst into flame…
      
      The rate of wind-turbine fires is about 10X greater than we are told
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/10971762/Wind-turbine-fires-ten-times-more-common-than-thought-experts-warn.html
      
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      June 19, 2017 2:57pm
      - sam green
        
        Therefore = all cheap clean energy is shit? Or maybe we invest in better quality technology.
        
        Oh – by the way. Deep Water Horizon. Real clean.
        
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        June 19, 2017 10:38pm
- itstricky
  
  What a tragic waste of resources that could have been used so much more effectively on health, education, and food security
  
  All of which depend on… … … … … …
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    In part, they depend affordable, abundant energy. Feel free to make a case that the $1.6 Trillion dollars was well spent subsidising inefficient energy sources.
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:56am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    All of which depend on cheap, efficient and plentiful energy, none of which are the renewable’s that require so much government support to even remain in business, let alone viable.
    Nuclear Fission
    Nuclear Fusion (which will replace the above, 30-50 years from now).
    Geothermal
    Hydro
    Tidal
    These are current and future tech that have or will prove themselves to be the most economical, responsible and efficient forms of energy generation.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:03am
- Entity
  
  Don’t completely dismiss renewable energy.
  Trending towards renewable energy is definitely a viable option – not because of global warming but because we will be saving money by doing so.
  I agree wind turbines are simply not the way to go, as kleva kiwi has mentioned nuclear power, geothermal and hydropower is the way to go. It’s been proven to work and will continue to work. Wind turbines are simply too expensive for the amount of power they produce.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:23pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
MBIE’s NONSENSE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY MEASURE …

There is a world of difference between housing affordability and mortgage affordability.

The simple measures are the best …

MBIE ignored warning over housing affordability measure | Radio New Zealand News

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/333326/mbie-ignored-warning-over-housing-affordability-measure

What I wrote early 2011 …

Report: housing affordability out of sync with incomes … SMH / The Age

https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/

It is really just a follow-up by MBIE … with its earlier seismic assessment fiasco … which is still not sorted …

Quake ‘scores’ far from precise | Business | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/8960369/Quake-scores-far-from-precise

What’s new ?
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June 19, 2017 9:36am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Foh
  
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  June 19, 2017 9:53am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Mid April RNZ report … a month prior to the release of the MBIE HAM …
  
  MBIE failing to meet self-imposed targets | Radio New Zealand News
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328975/mbie-failing-to-meet-self-imposed-targets
  
  … extract …
  
  … “So by some measures the affordability hasn’t deteriorated all that much since the middle of the 2000s,” Mr Smol said.
  
  The annual Demographia housing survey found Auckland had the fourth-least affordable houses in the world, with prices more than 10 times the median income.
  
  That’s up from 6.4 times the median income when National took office in 2008.
  
  It found houses in Hamilton, Tauranga, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin were all severely unaffordable too.
  
  Co-author Hugh Pavletich said housing has become far less affordable and mortgage rates have nothing to do with it.
  
  “What the gentleman from MBIE is saying really is confusing housing affordability, structural housing affordability, with mortgage affordability, and they are two entirely different subjects.
  
  “New Zealand is considered to have some of the most unaffordable housing in the world.”
  
  Mr Pavletich said New Zealand was on the brink of a housing market crash. …
  
  … Note this recent report …
  
  Harcourts says the house prices that were being achieved at the height of the market are no longer realistic | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88264/harcourts-says-house-prices-were-being-achieved-height-market-are-no-longer-realistic
  
  The country’s largest real estate agency says average house prices are starting to fall, and the inflated prices that were achievable last year are no longer realistic.
  
  Harcourts chief executive Chris Kennedy said the agency sold almost 15% fewer homes in May than it did in May last year, and average prices are being affected by declining sales.
  
  That is particularly noticeable in Auckland where the average price in May was below the average in May 2016, for the first time since sales started declining late last year.
  
  The average price of Auckland homes sold by Harcourts in May was $947,809 which was well below the $1,024,317 benchmark set in April this year, and down 0.7% compared to May last year.
  
  In Christchurch the slide in price has been even more severe, with May’s average sale price of $498,370 down 10% compared to the average price of $553,114 in May last year.
  
  “Vendors are starting to adjust their expectations when it comes to prices,” Kennedy said.
  
  “The inflated prices that were achievable at the very height of the market are no longer realistic.” … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … and comment on MacroBusiness Australia article thread …
  
  kiwikaryn replied to your comment on ‘NZ house prices rise in May, but sales volumes collapse’ (behind paywall)
  
  “If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline)”. This was the exact point made by Michael Burry in The Big Short. The gig is up when prices stop rising, not when they start falling. In Chch I am seeing huge amounts of stock coming to market, mostly low end, clearly investors trying to get rid of investment properties now they are struggling to rent them at prices to cover their escalating mortgage costs. Stock is at the highest its ever been (across the 14 suburbs, and price brackets that I monitor) and its June, when it should be at its lowest. God help them when all the spring stock hits the market in a couple of months.
  
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  June 19, 2017 11:44am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Housing affordability is very much a political problem. And a simple one … where THE major problems are impediments to land supply and inappropriate infrastructure financing.
    
    There is nothing particularly technical … or spare the thought intellectual … about it.
    
    It is therefore of critical importance the issue is readily understood by the general public … something Minister Nick Smith should have been acutely aware of.
    
    As the initiator back in 2004 of the Annual Demographia Survey, I have had no communications whatsoever with the MBIE people over recent years.
    
    What I said in the SMH / The Age back early 2011 (hyperlink above) needs to be read.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:59am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The new wave of Pacific migration: Thousands leave Auckland housing crisis behind for life in the provinces | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/93730362/the-new-wave-of-pacific-migration-thousands-leave-behind-the-auckland-housing-crisis-for-life-in-the-provinces
      
      Ta’ufo’ou Mataka hasn’t looked back since leaving her Auckland home four years ago for a new life in Timaru.
      
      The mother of four moved to the South Island when her husband, Misimana Mataka, accepted a job as a fishing ship engineer, and is one of thousands of Pacific Islanders leaving Auckland for a fresh start in the South Island.
      
      According to Statistics New Zealand, several thousand Pacific Islanders have left Auckland for greener pastures in towns like Oamaru and Ashburton, the exodus being fuelled by increased employment opportunities and more affordable housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Posted yesterday at Kiwiblog …
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_18_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1952708 … with extensive further comments / discussions on threads …
      
      Housing is the number one issue in the lead up to the 23 September General Election … extensive background material at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
      
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      June 19, 2017 12:31pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        When is PM English going to fire Minister Nick Smith ?
        
        Hasn’t the circus gone on long enough ?
        
        Labour slams new Government housing affordability measure as ‘ham-fisted’; calls on Nick Smith to reissue it with ‘accurate numbers’ on true state of housing affordability | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88356/labour-slams-new-government-housing-affordability-measure-ham-fisted-calls-nick-smith
        
        By David Hargreaves
        
        The Labour Party’s slamming the new Government Housing Affordability Measure (HAM) and says former Housing Minister and current Building and Construction Minister Nick Smith “has made a pig’s ear out of housing, once again”.
        
        “Five years in the making, and HAM is another Nick Smith stuff-up. The interest rate used is wrong, the data is two years out of date, and the model entirely ignores the need to save for a deposit. Nick Smith was told that HAM was wrong; he released it anyway to try to score a political point. That has backfired spectacularly,” Labour’s Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyford said.
        
        “Nick Smith needs to urgently re-issue HAM with accurate numbers on the true state of housing affordability.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 19, 2017 12:39pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hugh, why don’t you recycle your Levittown story again? That was fascinating.
        Not.
        
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        June 19, 2017 4:31pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Hugh you must have a high opinion of yourself or the people that are in the trade don’t think much of what you post. When you continually post the same piece of what you have penned obviously means we are not the only ones that thinks what you post is crap.
      
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      June 19, 2017 1:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Happychappy… keep it issues focused. This is not a popularity contest.
        
        There are extremely serious problems with MBIEs HAM exercise … which again highlight weak governance. And that is Nick Smith.
        
        Why are you guys still failing to hold Smith to account ?
        
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        June 19, 2017 1:54pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Government ignored concerns on new housing affordability measure before release | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/93819994/housing-affordability-measure-is-flawed-mbie-told-two-days-before-ministry-released-it
        
        The Government ignored a warning that its new housing affordability measure was using incorrect interest rates that could make houses look more affordable than they are before releasing it.
        
        New documents released to Radio NZ show the Reserve Bank sent an email to the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE) just two days before the release in May of this year, warning that the model used to calculate interest rates was about to be discontinued.
        
        MBIE officials, likely under pressure after delaying the measure several times over and admitting they were worried that minister’s wouldn’t “agree” with it, released it anyway – but did stress that it was a still an “experimental series” at the time. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Housing affordability measure released despite flaw: Labour – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11879042
        
        The integrity of an official housing affordability measure has been questioned after it used an interest rate unavailable to many first home buyers.
        
        The Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (Mbie) is standing by the work, which is the first official measure of housing affordability.
        
        Two days before Mbie released the new measure in May, the Reserve Bank advised the effective mortgage rate measure it used would soon be discontinued and “probably wasn’t the best measure to be using anyway”, documents released to Radio New Zealand show. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 19, 2017 5:30pm
  - KevOB
    
    In Christchurch rental accom. is plentiful because many take the EQC cash payout and leave the place as is. They lose the insurance but… Those houses are sold like that too.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:26pm
dime

“for aristotle democracy is possible only within homogeneous ethnic groups. While despots have always reigned over highly fragmented societies. ”

sounds about right:

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=GuMfY6-4XhwC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=for+aristotle+democracy+is+possibleonly+within+homogeneous+ethnic+groups&source=bl&ots=p2ud_DgaJI&sig=BVQPmGmtHTxjsXmZIQo0KwQAp_k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDj9q2rsjUAhWEpZQKHQzoAMIQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=for%20aristotle%20democracy%20is%20possibleonly%20within%20homogeneous%20ethnic%20groups&f=false

sorry for the long as link!
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June 19, 2017 9:45am
- Kimbo
  
  “for aristotle democracy is possible only within homogeneous ethnic groups.
  
  Doesn’t make sense as he married a former US first lady who became Jackie (Kennedy) Onassis, so he must have known that democracy works well in their ethnic melting pot. Oh, sorry, wrong Aristotle?
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The largest Democratic country is India.
  
  India has more than two thousand ethnic groups, and every major religion is represented, as are four major families of languages (Indo-European, Dravidian, Austroasiatic and Sino-Tibetan languages) as well as two language isolates.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:44am
  - Kimbo
    
    And some 170 million Muslims, who are over 10% of the population. Not that “Muslim” is a race, as many Kiwibloggers remind us regularly ?
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:49am
  - dime
    
    and india is such a lovely place to live 🙂
    
    of course, if you lined up all 2000 ethnic groups in india, they all look wicked different too!
    
    DNA all over the place..
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Democracy in India?
    
    Evil legacy of white colonial imperialism.
    
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    June 19, 2017 11:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      Same with the USA…
      
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      June 19, 2017 11:27am
- cmm
  
  Homogeneity does not necessarily mean racial homogeneity, it means having common goals and values.
  
  A homogenous population is not enough. You also need a medium to high IQ society. People with low IQs are always going to vote themselves free stuff and bugger the consequences.
  
  Giving a population with an average IQ of 80 or so is like giving over control to a bunch of 12 year olds. Everyone votes for free ice cream for the kids and the adults must pay all the bills.
  
  Different people with different values – particularly lower IQ people – are easily manipulated to fight against each other for the gain of those in power.
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:26pm
wiseowl

Last four days in bed .Absolute agony with man flu.
All I could do is stick radio by ear .
All weekend the progressive, left wing , UN agenda was trotted out in some form along with Ph D tossers from Auckland and pretty much all commentators adding in critical Moori words because they are the centre of all this BS now.
Made me feel more sick .
As for this retired Canadian child psychiatrist who wants us to do more as individuals for global warming and has started another do good group.
Another lefty the Government should never have let in.
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June 19, 2017 10:02am
- srylands
  
  Christ if you had the flu, why did you inflict RNZ on yourself?
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:13am
  - wiseowl
    
    Have to monitor the enemy.I was truly surprised at the amount of climate change BS on Red radio and also at times on ZB.
    Yeah it just about finished me off.
    
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    June 19, 2017 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      “I was truly surprised at the amount of climate change BS on Red radio and also at times on ZB.”
      
      Look on the bright side , you didn’t need to turn any heating on……..
      
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      June 19, 2017 11:23am
  - Entity
    
    Has anyone watched that new program on TV called “Whats next” (or something like that) with John Campbell and that other tosser? I can’t believe the absolute trash that is on that program
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:28pm
  - GazzaW
    
    @wiseowl.
    Cyanide is much quicker than repeated Radio NZ doseages.
    
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    June 19, 2017 8:30pm
- itstricky
  
  Wow, that must have been a really bad flu if you couldn’t move your hand to change the channel.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:23am
- dime
  
  mate, i caught about 3 mins of ZB this morning. yikes. i just cant listen to their left wing news room.
  
  you should check out podcasts – fuck all ads and amazing content.
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Red Radio started their “Change the Government” project this morning. At least four major articles attacking the government and at least one shadow minister on live. They have saved up countless OIA requests and leaked emails etc to use.
    Source from inside RNz has been reliable todate.
    
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    June 19, 2017 12:57pm
ex-golfer

Great night for Kiwi sport.
Am Cup, copious gold at the rowing champs, Le Mans, U20 world rugby camps.
Add in the Kiwi domination of the Aussie V8 Super cars.

Once again we’ve proved we do really well when sitting on our arses! (rugby being the exception)
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June 19, 2017 10:20am
- labrator
  
  None of which makes the headlines! We have our very own come from behind with Hartley and Bamber and it sits behind the sailing… I don’t understand the fascination with sailing…
  
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  June 19, 2017 10:26am
dime

to follow up on my podcast comment above, anyone got some good recommendations?

my main listens are:

Joe Rogan
Free Domain
Wall Street unplugged
Motley Fool podcasts
Mad Money
Bill Burr
Kevin Smith.

Not a ted talks type of dude. Tried “things you should know” and “freakonomics”
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June 19, 2017 10:59am
- labrator
  
  Gary v?
  
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  June 19, 2017 11:34am
jms

Just saw on Foxnews that the US shot down a Syrian regime warplane that had just bombed US allies, the Kurdish-led SDF.
Good job, Assad needs to be punished for his indirect support of ISIS.
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June 19, 2017 11:00am
- Reid
  
  Yeah sure, he covertly supports the very organisation who wants to kill him and take over his country.
  
  What planet are you on, cos it’s not this one.
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:37pm
- KevOB
  
  Oops. The Americans have been funding ISIS too. If there wasn’t oil, opium, trade rights, military sales and support of the dollar at stake they could have gone home long ago.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:32pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Did anyone else note the US navy is calling the broadside of their destroyer by the container ship probably deliberate as the container ship, twice the size of the destroyer, passed by then did a 180º turn to run at their mid-ship. Significant damage and partial flooding resulted from a large gash below the waterline. 7 missing sailors have been found drowned in their bunks.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:50pm
  - simpleton1
    
    I find a lot of conjecture about the collision being deliberate, but not from the USN.
    
    Even if deliberate, it is remarkable that with all the surveillance systems on the destoyer, radar, infra red, sonar, etc. was unable to detect and track a threat, that is of such size, even if blacked out.
    Was the destroyer blacked out?
    The does not seem to be running a tracker either.
    Even if the container ship is at fault, the destroyer, is much more nimble, in turns, acceleration and stopping.
    With regards to the Collision Rules, even if it had the right of way, being a navy ship it would also have a larger perimeter in that it takes action to keep a clear space around it, and it could do so being out in open seas.
    
    A container ship of that size is not a precise weapon, that can easily twist and turn to target and hit a destroyer, that should have more than enough men on watch, if any thing overstaffed, to monitor the surrounding area.
    
    All of the information will come out, particularly regarding the correct time of collision with UTC time and different conversions to local time and GMT. I think at the moment that many are getting mixed up with the tracking and timing.
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:24pm
Jack5

Language problems in Maori-immersion schools?

There is debate on whether English language teaching should be introduced earlier.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/333337/kura-should-start-bilingual-korero-earlier-study
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June 19, 2017 11:31am
- cmm
  
  With Maori immersion you’re up against two hurdles:
  
  1) Finding fluent Maori teachers.
  2) Finding competent teachers for maths etc.
  
  Now combining those (ie. finding teachers who are both competent in maths AND fluent in Maori) is going to make for some very thin pickings.
  
  On top of that, what does this help the actual kids? Will their Maori 5 times table serve them well when they go out into the real world?
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:49pm
  - sooty
    
    They are going to be in real problems if they can not speak english!
    
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    June 19, 2017 4:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @sooty
      
      The problem isn’t with speaking English… it’s coping with written English.
      
      I’ve encountered some primary_level Kura-educated teens who have low literacy levels at Secondary School entry. Damn difficult to get these folks up to the reading level of their peer group.
      I’ve also encountered a couple of Kura-educated girls who couldn’t read/pronounce some common Maori words. (wahine, moana)
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:33pm
Keeping Stock

Andrew Little is calling for the head of Nicky Wagner after she sent out a stupid tweet over the weekend, for which she has already apologised.

How quickly Andrew Little forgets his own history. Check out his imtemperate tweet from a few years when he slagged off Air New Zealand Koru Club staff. He got a well-deserved kicking then, but even then his response to some of those who called him out shows why he is unfit to be Prime Minister.

https://twitter.com/andrewlittlemp/status/367194486327091201
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June 19, 2017 11:33am
- VicParking
  
  Why did it take three days before the left worked out a way to use a harmless txt.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:00pm
Jack5

Why has a PR stunt between two radio stations with an impersonation of Tom Cruise received such publicity in the print media and its associated web sites?

The Hooerald is in a group that also owns radio stations, but I’m not aware that Stuff’s owner has radio interests.

This was radio puffery dressed up as news.
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June 19, 2017 11:40am
- Kimbo
  
  Indeed. Do you remember that time, a long time ago when media understood its primary role was reporting the news, rather than trying to create it, or become the centre of attraction? Mind you, there was also a reason why electronic broadcasting was exclusively publicly-owned. The likes of, say, Paul Holmes may have called it boring and stuffy. But I’m not sure we have gained much of value out of the change.
  
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  June 19, 2017 11:43am
Manolo

Will the minion testify?
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/338237-senate-gop-turns-focus-on-lynch

Senate Republicans are clamoring to hear from Loretta Lynch after former FBI Director James Comey raised concerns about her involvement in the Hillary Clinton email investigation.
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June 19, 2017 11:59am
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11878948

Makes a difference from the angry old boilers in New Zealand Police- Who seem to all cut their own hair and their grizzled faces would likely crack if they smiled…
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June 19, 2017 12:09pm
Manolo

A strong NZD:
The relentless rise of the New Zealand dollar will probably draw the Reserve Bank’s ire when it reviews its official cash rate setting on Thursday.

The currency rose more than half a percent against the US dollar last week and is nearly 6% higher than when the central bank released its last monetary policy statement on May 11.

The kiwi has also gained 6.8% against the British pound and about 2.5% against both the Australian dollar and the euro.
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June 19, 2017 12:10pm
- cmm
  
  A strong NZD as well as a basket case GBP.
  
  Bugger for me as I earn some of my income in GBP. It was nice back in 2005 or so when a pound was getting me over $3.
  
  Please bring back Labour to stuff up our currency again!
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:38pm
noskire

Reports coming through from London of a van ploughing into a crowd…
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June 19, 2017 12:27pm
- simpleton1
  
  “Witnesses said the vehicle veered off the road into crowds outside Finsbury Park Mosque but it was unclear whether the collision was deliberate”.
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/van-pedestrians-hit-run-over-casualties-latest-police-finsbury-park-mosque-muslims-seven-sisters-a7796551.html
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:32pm
- Reid
  
  They were Muslims coming out of a Mosque.
  
  https://www.rt.com/uk/392952-london-mosque-vehicle-hits-pedestrians/
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    There is little outrage in the comments section; quite surprising really..no really.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:06pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I get the sense that this is only going to escalate. The undertone in Europe and the UK has definitely changed in the last year or so.
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:02pm
- cmm
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/93831498/ukvan-drives-into-people-in-london-reports
  
  What bullshit reporting… A van drove into the crowd… No doubt some poor innocent Muslim victim was at the wheel.
  
  Nope. Vans don’t drive themselves.
  Some mofo drove a van into the crowd.
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:33pm
  - Reid
    
    No he was white, there’s a vid on RT which shows him. This was a white guy who drove a van into Moslems exiting a Mosque.
    
    It’s going to be interesting to see how the media play this and the sheeple on here react to it.
    
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    June 19, 2017 12:41pm
  - cmm
    
    It looks like I might have been a bit quick to draw the obvious assumption that this was a Muslim.
    
    Everything else stands though:
    * Anyone who drives a van into people is a mofo.
    * This passive style reporting is bullshit.
    
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    June 19, 2017 12:43pm
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, what is your style precisely ?
      
      This ?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhvaI07jmkA
      
      Yes and most obviously !
      
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      June 19, 2017 2:51pm
  - KevOB
    
    ” Vans don’t drive themselves.”
    Yet.
    Are we going to have youth with games controllers and video linked to vans?
    
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    June 19, 2017 4:02pm
Manolo

Another gift from the religion of peace:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mali-resort-popular-with-foreigners-is-attacked-1497813006?mod=e2tw

Suspected jihadists attacked a hotel resort Sunday in Mali’s capital, taking hostages at a spot popular with foreigners on the weekends.

At least two people were killed and about 30 people managed to escape as the assault continued into the evening, authorities said.
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June 19, 2017 12:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Mnolo, and the attacks go on .
  
  Nothing changes .
  
  ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz … !
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:53pm
  - Manolo
    
    You don’t like these examples of barbarity and violence your fellow Muslims inflict on society, do you?
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:01pm
Reid

Good question being asked here:

The “revolution” is being televised – & we should ask why

https://off-guardian.org/2017/06/17/the-revolution-is-being-televised-but-why/

Everyone who understands politics knows the media simply doesn’t cover anything its masters haven’t asked it to. It’s overlooked plenty of ten-thousand strong demonstrations in the past, it ignored Corbyn’s crowds, it ignored Trump’s crowds.

So why is it suddenly covering the outfall of the Grenfell Tower fire?

Does it matter in this case? Isn’t any publicity good publicity if it helps bring justice and help to the victims of the Grenfell tragedy? If May can be arm-twisted into handing over cash, and if the publicity helps make sure such events become less likely in the future, does it matter what agenda the media may be following

To an extent that is obviously true. And let’s hope some good does come from the publicity being given to the anger of the people in the streets. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t question and remain sceptical when the wolf slips on his sheepskin.
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June 19, 2017 12:51pm
- cmm
  
  Anything to wind up the populace. That’s what the MSM owners want.
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:58pm
  - Reid
    
    They’re obeying orders cmm. If it was just ratings at play they wouldn’t for instance, hammer the Russian meme as they do and they would not have behaved as they did during the US election and they would not reporting on immigration as they are doing.
    
    As I’ve said many times, it’s not so much what they say and how they say it, it’s what they never talk about at all which is one of the biggest tells.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid ,
      
      “They’re obeying orders cmm.”
      
      Whose exactly ?
      
      Soros and what other nefarious Jewish conspiracy ?
      
      LOL !
      
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      June 19, 2017 2:55pm
- kowtow
  
  Nothing new here . They’ve always been ghoulish ambulance chasers.
  
  Won’t be long before they move onto something else.
  
  They may even have another gory story, the revolution of the natives rising up against the Muslim incomers ? But that of course won’t be a revolution (unlike the Grenfel story) it will be far right , white , Islamophobic , racism.
  
  Grenfel also let’s them stop reporting the Manchester outrage as well as showing the “community” getting together , blah blah.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , evidence of that actually occouring ?
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:56pm
Reid

This is great: and he’s right, Goebbels would be proud of those sheeple, just as he would be proud of all the other sheeple that swallow the propaganda psyop koolaid, whether it’s anti-Muslim, anti-Trump, four-legs-good-two-legs-bad politics, poor widdle Iswael is just a victim, or any other flavour.

Laura Loomer and Jack Posobiec Disrupt The Trump Assassination Play!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a39JswIqrHc
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June 19, 2017 1:02pm
dime

this van in london – this first terror attack against muslims?

its been on the cards for a while.. when the govt wont act..
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June 19, 2017 1:08pm
- Longknives
  
  Sounds like it- The Mosque ‘Head Priest’ (Or Whatever they call themselves) has gone crying to the Media already.
  *Remarkable considering there wasn’t a peep from these types when innocent Little Girls were being blown to bits in Manchester…
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:14pm
  - cha
    
    Remarkable considering there wasn’t a peep from these types when innocent Little Girls were being blown to bits in Manchester
    
    peep peep peep……..
    
    /
    
    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-britain-muslim-manchester-20170523-story.html
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3642273/manchester-muslim-community-joins-faith-leaders-to-condemn-cowardly-terror-attack/
    
    http://www.telegram.com/news/20170525/worcester-area-muslims-condemn-terrorist-attack-in-england
    
    http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/muslim-organisations-in-leicester-condemn-manchester-arena-terror-attack/story-30348230-detail/story.html
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:32pm
  - sam green
    
    Aww look Longknives – cha thinks your dum.
    
    Actually – cha has given some links that prove your statement was wrong. Apology maybe?
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:58pm
    - Longknives
      
      An apology from me is unlikely Sam Green.
      
      I’ll just leave this video here-
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRz3lVwDwsU
      
      British Muslims literally crowing with delight over the Manchester attacks…(the girl on the left can barely contain her giggling glee..)
      So nah- Not a great deal of sympathy from me for this Cowardly (they target children’s pop concerts remember?) Death Cult…
      
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      June 19, 2017 4:44pm
      - sam green
        
        Those people were not “crowing”. You have a very strange interpretation.
        
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        June 19, 2017 6:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime , of course the only good Muslim is a dead one ?
  
  No age restrictions too ?
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:57pm
  - dime
    
    reported. dont accuse me of wanting innocent people dead. you fucking asshole.
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , from your past posts I simply don’t beleive you. Whenever have ever said any nice thing about Muslims ?
      
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      June 19, 2017 3:04pm
  - dime
    
    “dime , from your past posts I simply don’t beleive you. Whenever have ever said any nice thing about Muslims ?”
    
    so now you are outright saying im happy people are dead? the fucks wrong with you?
    
    Dime is against muslim immigration. doesnt mean i want people slaughtered in the streets.
    
    youre a piece of shit
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , answer the question whenever have you said nice things about Muslims ?
      
      Examples ?
      
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      June 19, 2017 3:17pm
      - dime
        
        “dime , answer the question whenever have you said nice things about Muslims ?”
        
        not saying nice things about a group of people = wanting them dead?
        
        youre a piece of shit.
        
        go on, surprise me. say – sorry dime. it was a shitty thing to say.
        
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        June 19, 2017 3:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      answer the question whenever have you said nice things about Muslims ?
      
      No stephieboy…
      
      the burden of proof is on YOU.
      You postulated the following: dime , of course the only good Muslim is a dead one ?
      
      and YOU linked Dime’s name to this vile statement….
      
      Just like a couple of days ago you accused me of being a towel-head basher….
      You have a habit of ascribing foul/vile/ defamatory statements to other people.
      
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      June 19, 2017 4:39pm
Reid

Good report on what happens under islamification, this example from Utica, NY.

CITY OF UTICA ‘GONE’ BECAUSE OF REFUGEE FLOOD

‘Trump has tried to stop this from happening but has been repeatedly blocked by leftist activist courts’ [with active support from the media]

http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/city-of-utica-gone-because-of-refugee-flood/
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June 19, 2017 1:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , scaping the bottom of the barrel with the deranged WND ?
  
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  June 19, 2017 3:05pm
Rodney Randall

The incident occurred near the Finsbury Park Mosque and its chairman, Mohammed Kozbar, called it a “cowardly attack”.

Finsbury Park Mosque: most notable for its 24/7 love-ins and peace parades over the last few years. Epicentre for altruism and selfless acts.

Check its history out online?
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June 19, 2017 1:12pm
- Inandout
  
  They would be unpopular with mainstream Muslims then.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:15pm
  - kowtow
    
    Being an extremist mosque there’ll have been very few people for the whitey to ram……….
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:18pm
- Paulus
  
  Wrong – this was a Mosque in Seven Sisters Road, Finsbury Park, not the infamous one now I believe still closed.
  Remember there are Mosques everywhere.
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:05pm
  - dime
    
    “Remember there are Mosques everywhere”
    
    the problem summed up in one simple sentence
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:29pm
    - jonar
      
      So you’re happy that a number of innocent people just got run over?
      
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      June 19, 2017 2:34pm
      - dime
        
        “So you’re happy that a number of innocent people just got run over?”
        
        nope.
        
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        June 19, 2017 2:50pm
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , thus 4% of the population have Mosques everwhere ?
      
      Carry on ?
      
      Here in NZ too ?
      
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      June 19, 2017 3:22pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  We should not jump to conclusions. The perp could be a white Islamophobic atheist.
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:42pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    We should not jump to conclusions. The perp could be a white Islamophobic atheist.
    
    Having urged us not to jump to conclusions, Chuck jumps to a conclusion…
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:55pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      LMAO
      
      What did you expect KS?
      
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      June 19, 2017 5:26pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I should have added /sarc. I did not think it necessary. If the person is not a Muslim it would be a first in a very long time.
      
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      June 19, 2017 9:11pm
Reid

The track of the container ship that hit the Fitzgerald is very, very odd.

You can see a vid of it here:
http://www.vesselofinterest.com/2017/06/mapping-acx-crystals-collision-with-uss.html
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June 19, 2017 1:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Very odd?
  
  Nah , the Rena couldn’t find its way into Tauranga and hit a reef……
  
  You’d have to wonder about the people who crew these things.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:32pm
  - Reid
    
    That wasn’t the only odd thing about it. The point of impact was very calculated. It was a fraction away from hitting the main shaft corridor which would have sunk it. And it had no running lights or transponder, which is willful.
    
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html#.WUaTS_LqbqI.twitter
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:46pm
    - simpleton1
      
      “The track of the container ship that hit the Fitzgerald is very, very odd”
      Yet at the same time the transponder of the container ship has been tracked to show all its twists and turns, for what ever reason it did so, and now it is turned off ? ?
      
      I would think it is was the USN ship in a blackout and no transponder mode. There is no tracker of that destroyer at that time.
      
      Also to take care checking the the UTC and GMT and to local times, as it seems many are making errors in this, when relating to the transponder/track of the container ship and to the collision time.
      Funny no track of destroyer so one can not say where the collision occured on the freighters track
      
      Probable negligence, misunderstanding, and miscalculation on both ships.
      
      If it was a straight on T bone it would have sunk the destroyer, so it was a heavy glance, on the port sided of the container ship, which would seem to have given it right of way, and a hit on the starboard side of the destroyer which should have given way..
      The only conjecture would be if the the container ship was an overtaking vessel and so the destroyer should have maintained its course. Still at a certain point on feeling endangered it should have taken avoiding action.
      
      Light on or off, transponder on or off, one would think that a well staffed navy vessel , with all that great radar, etc, should have been easily able to monitor and track that container ship.
      The bow of another boat is always dangerous, and one never knows when it will engage gear or increase speed.
      
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      June 19, 2017 2:50pm
      - Reid
        
        I would think it is was the USN ship in a blackout and no transponder mode. There is no tracker of that destroyer at that time.
        
        Yeah one possibility is they were in EMCON-A where all the oscillators are switched off to avoid satellite tracking.
        
        Of course they had people on watch, but you’ve got that container ship coming at you at speed, lights off.
        
        As I say, look at the track. And look at where it hit – very precise. Hard to believe it was just a coincidence, those two things together.
        
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        June 19, 2017 4:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , oh dear not another of your unhinged falase flags ?
      
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      June 19, 2017 3:18pm
      - Reid
        
        No I’m not talking about a false flag stupidboy. I’m saying elements of the incident look suspicious. That’s not a false flag, moron.
        
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        June 19, 2017 4:27pm
BananaLlama

Lowest election turnout on record for the French Parliamentary elections, looks like its over for Macron before it even began can’t see how he will get anything done without mass unrest. France is really fucked along with the lefts re-branding of their EU stooges.
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June 19, 2017 1:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Hardly say the guy has a mandate when a majority can’t be arsed. Amazing.
  But of course because he’s a press darling very little attention will be given to the low turnout.
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:35pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    The press will just burble shit about how he is loved by all while he smiles and waves for the Camera. Really reminds me of the emperor with no clothes.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:39pm
- Reid
  
  Since when has a low turnout ever stopped anything?
  
  This is all that matters.
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/18/macron-finalizes-election-sweep-by-winning-absolute-majority-in-parliament/
  
  ~~Rothschild~~ Macron wins!
  
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  June 19, 2017 1:38pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    it’s going to be a hot summer.
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:41pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , there you go again that familiar litany , lets blame the Jews !
    
    Gutless !
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:07pm
- Paulus
  
  43% turnout reported.
  The left wing have been well and truly stuffed for the first time in France – they will not forgive or forget.
  The Unions have much power still.
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:07pm
  - cha
    
    Front National won 8 seats, too. Victory is near!.
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:20pm
Reid

According to reports, NBC executives are realizing already that “people are not tuning in to watch Megyn.” NBC executives are reportedly “freaking out” over the “ratings disaster” that Kelly has turned out to be, questioning the network’s $15 million investment in Kelly.

“They’ve made a fundamental mistake about Megyn which is they think she’s a super star,” the television executive reportedly told CNN. “What she is is a cable star, and that is a very different solar system.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/06/17/nbc-made-mistake-thinking-megyn-kelly-superstar/

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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June 19, 2017 1:36pm
- Fletch
  
  She was popular on Fox when she was conservative (at least she acted conservative), but then she went all weird and anti-Trump and joined in the accusations against Roger Ailes. Let’s just say that she isn’t bringing any Fox watchers across to her new show. And those who watch NBC probably remember her from Fox and wouldn’t want to watch anyway.
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:46pm
- cha
  
  Nothing to do with her Father’s Day interview with Alex Jones after fathers of Sandy Hook victims asked her not to?.
  
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  June 19, 2017 3:29pm
- dime
  
  she was smoking hot when she was first on fox.
  
  still not bad 😀
  
  but yeah, i wouldnt watch her garbage show
  
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  June 19, 2017 3:50pm
Manolo

Close to the truth. Have a laugh:
The Wallabies and the Socceroos should swap players. No one would notice a difference.
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June 19, 2017 2:03pm
Reid

Interesting how they’re reporting the London van incident:

No problems apparently this time in identifying the race of the perp and explaining how the victims were innocently helping another when they were murderously attacked by an evil whitey.

And then they mention the mosque is no longer radical at all, in any way.

Shame they’re not quite so fastidious with it when someone else does something to “western opperssors” isn’t it.

Naturally, this can’t be domestic media, it has to be a foreign outfit with an axe to grind against “western oppressors.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4616452/Man-arrested-van-ploughs-people-outside-mosque.html#ixzz4kPKhuppp
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June 19, 2017 2:23pm
- Longknives
  
  Yep these Muslims who were injured (Not killed) by this Guy will get WAY more sympathy from Sadiq Khan, Media and Lefties in General than all those children slaughtered at a bloody Pop Concert a few weeks ago…
  
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  June 19, 2017 2:27pm
  - jonar
    
    Looking forward to you proving this statement rather than just assuming it…
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:37pm
  - holysheet
    
    Oh how they reap what they sow. It’s not a good look, but then again neither was London Bridge or Manchester.
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holycrap, typical of the rabid alt right nothing changes from the safe lair of your keyboards
      
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      June 19, 2017 3:10pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Er, Longknives, it’s not a contest, much less one that those who died would have liked to have won, even if it did exist.
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:53pm
  - Peter
    
    One wonders if Khan will announce that “putting up with this sort of thing is just part of living in a big city”?
    
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    June 19, 2017 2:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    Clearly, they are lone wolves whose behaviour changed in only the last two months.
    
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    June 19, 2017 3:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , cranking up yet another of your stupid false flag psy ops ?
  
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  June 19, 2017 3:09pm
  - Reid
    
    stephie, making yet another stupid and unrelated moronic comment?
    
    Do you ever get anything right as random chance would suggest you would or is it that whenever you’re getting anywhere remotely close to the actual fact of the matter something diabolical in you makes you swerve away from it and make a complete and utter fool of yourself, yet again?
    
    Case in point being, well, any of your posts really, but let’s take this one for now.
    
    Can you explain how false flag has anything to do with media bias?
    
    No?
    
    Didn’t think so.
    
    See?
    
    Even when you’re on the scent something twists inside-a your head and you get it completely and utterly wrong, again.
    
    I bet if you were that van driver you would have wound up underneath it, running yourself over, the only victim, being carted off to hospital before being charged with a hate crime, against yourself.
    
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    June 19, 2017 4:18pm
Manolo

A must read for the warmists:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/grenfell-tower-fire-an-apt-metaphor-for-climate-change-alarmism/news-story/698fcdd6ac7e1d85401a5f3f95185f37
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June 19, 2017 2:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s paywalled on that link…
  but if you Google the title of the Article .. you can get a free read.
  
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  June 19, 2017 4:19pm
  - sam green
    
    How does that article sit with you Maggy?
    
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    June 19, 2017 6:18pm
    - sam green
      
      How about this as a counter article/comment?
      
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cft52h89roU
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This is great…
        
        I don’t see it as a counter..
        
        It’s highlighting the same point…
        Safety of poor folks sacrificed for what?
        
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        June 19, 2017 7:09pm
    - sam green
      
      Or this:
      
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrNz457zjB8
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Another good link….
        
        You don’t imagine I support these politico dozos, do you?
        
        You do realise I am white trash, don’t you?
        
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        June 19, 2017 7:11pm
      - sam green
        
        I have no idea if you are – as you say “white trash” – it’s not an expression I use so I don’t understand what context you are using it in.
        
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        June 19, 2017 7:34pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It asks key questions… Has safety been sacrificed for aesthetics/”sustainability”.
      
      So it sits well with me.
      
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      June 19, 2017 7:07pm
      - sam green
        
        “It’s highlighting the same point…
        Safety of poor folks sacrificed for what?”
        
        Yes – but the first article would argue that people who think we need to get a more canny about environmental issues are to blame for the fire – no really – that’s what it says.
        
        The second view is that rich people who don’t want to look at scummy tower blocks, as well as the landlords who don’t want to pay for decent safe housing are to blame.
        
        You’re right – in the end innocent people have fucking well suffocated and burned to death.
        
        But I know what I know about this and the evidence is overwhelming. The article on climate alarmists is a paltry response. Hopefully an decent inquiry will bring the right people to justice.
        
        Climate alarmists have caused this? You’ve gone down in my estimation.
        
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        June 19, 2017 7:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam Green
        
        I don’t care if I’m up or down in your estimation.
        
        The Planning Documents for the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower spell out that the cladding is to improve the Environmental Performance of the building (i.e. thermal & sound insulation) as well as to improve its appearance.
        
        And check out this paper on what that entails
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544209005155
        
        Good Environmental Performance is taken to be something that reduces a building’s CO2 emissions.
        
        Perhaps not the key consideration as to why the building was clad… but possibly a factor why cladding the building was favoured over putting in sprinklers/more stairwells.
        
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        June 19, 2017 7:51pm
      - sam green
        
        Yep sure. But so what. The bastards didn’t want to pay for decent cladding, or retro fitting of safety equipment – so money was more important than the safety of people. Yet the profit motive was all powerful. Stop trying to blame people who want environmental concerns to be considered as the cause of the acceleration of this fire – it simply wasn’t their fault – the blame is squarely on those who made the financial decisions and the regulators who allowed this to happen.
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As you say,
        wait until it all plays out.
        
        You want to completely disregard the “environmental performance” (greenwash).
        If it was just a matter of visual aesthetics, then they could have just painted the building… no need for cladding at all….
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam green
        
        Stop trying to blame people who want environmental concerns to be considered as the cause of the acceleration of this fire
        
        I have tried to give honest replies to your questions.
        
        Check back with everything I have written here and you will see that I am in agreement that a question that needs to be investigated concerns the “environmental performance” need to clad this building.
        
        There is no need to adopt stephieboy techniques and ascribe words and views to me that I have not written/expressed.
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:30pm
      - sam green
        
        If environmental performance means using resources wisely, fine. Cheap refits do not meet this goal. They do as this has done – put people at risk. Cheap refits meet the purpose of those wishing to make quick gains and those who facilitate this (hence the Boris link).
        
        Don’t accuse me of “greenwashing”. Environmental concerns are not the issue in this fire – cheap landlords who don’t believe that people deserve warm, safe homes and who won’t pay for quality upgrades, are the issue – and the regulators who enable them. They were doing a minimum refit for maximum points. Scum.
        
        And the stephieboy slur – really Maggy?
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam green…
        
        I haven’t accused YOU of greenwash..
        
        I am referring to the Planning Documents that were drawn up to justify the cladding on Grenfell…. for “environmental performance”…… that may be greenwash.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol, Sam is being totally naive if he thinks Green virtue signaling Councillors don’t create Regs to enforce Green initiatives.
        Wasn’t the decision on the cladding made by the Body Corp committee based on Council requirements?
        As Maggy, says, hopefully we will find out.
        But this tragedy aside, the unintended consequence of some Green Regs isn’t good. Just look at the Power crisis developing in Oz.
        Edit- I think that the look had a bit to do with this too. Gentfrification and all that, can’t have the neighbourhood looking scruffy!
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:21pm
      - sam green
        
        It may very well be Maggy. Using the term for what purpose then?
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam green
        
        And the stephieboy slur – really Maggy?
        
        1.Well, I do have to wonder what was the point of you first wanting to know MY opinion on this matter.
        
        Who cares? Why should MY opinion be of any concern to you?
        
        2. Why did you misrepresent my position?
        
        If there has just been a miscommunication muck-up, please accept my apologies.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:24pm
      - sam green
        
        Ohh look – All_On_Red has seen a squirrel.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s a salient point about Greenies you dick.
        They’re usually so stupid and naive they don’t think things through.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:31pm
      - sam green
        
        1. You made easy reference to the original link. I was responding to that as you positing a debate e.g. General debate.
        
        2. It was not my intent to misrepresent your position. I apologise if I did. Your position seems unclear to me.
        
        And further – you said this:
        “You want to completely disregard the “environmental performance” (greenwash).”
        Sounds a little bit accusatory.
        
        Stop calling me a dick All_On_Red.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t be a smartarse then.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:43pm
      - sam green
        
        Ok – I’ll try very hard not to be a smartarse.
        
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        June 19, 2017 9:54pm
b1gdaddynz

Really wish the Samoan Rugby Union would stop poaching so many of our players! Need to develop their own local talent.
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June 19, 2017 3:02pm
Reid

And in the FFS what’s next dept:

Authorities in Mozambique say bald men are being killed, allegedly because of the belief that their heads contain gold.

So far five bald men have been killed, all in central Mozambique: two in May in Milange district close to the border with Malawi and three this month in the district of Morrumbala.

Bald men across the country are afraid of exposing their scalps. Some stay indoors. Others hide their baldness with caps.

During his regular press briefing this week in Maputo, Inacio Dina, spokesman for Mozambique’s general police command, said the phenomenon was new to the country. He threatened to take tough measures against those involved.

“Our preliminary conclusion indicates that the phenomenon is due to cultural beliefs,” he stated. “We are currently investigating the case to find out more and to understand the dimension of the problem. The phenomenon can lead bald people to be pursued and killed…

https://www.trendiee.com/news/bald-men-killed-mozambique-belief-heads-contain-gold/
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June 19, 2017 3:02pm
- cha
  
  And in the FFS what’s next dept:
  
  A Brazilian exorcist channeling Beelzebub who in turn tells of a dead nutter, who happens to channel Beelzebub himself, fucking with peoples computers and the weather from beyond the grave?.
  
  In one passage from a video seen by The Daily Beast, Dias asks one of his minions to read from a transcript that was purportedly jotted down by an observer at one of the rogue exorcisms encompassing what appears to be dialogue between the exorcist and Satan.
  
  The conversation was stilted, as one might expect with the struggle for the possessed person’s soul, but the gist was that Plinio was randomly “breaking people’s computers so that they can’t go on the internet” and that he is changing the climate and was “therefore the author of the climate change, and the increase of heat. It is Plinio who does everything,” according to the devil as channeled through the exorcist. Then, the devil predicts that a meteorite will crash into the Atlantic ocean. “North America will disappear,” he warns.
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil
  
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  June 19, 2017 3:17pm
Jack5

Ahoy Happychappy!

I don’t want to be a doomster, but Happychappy, in Kiwiblog General Debate in the last day or two you were citing the high prospects of dairying, one of NZ’s two key export industries.

You better have a look at this. Keith Woodford, a former agriculture professor and one of the country’s top farming consultants, says dairying is at risk.

Chinese demand for wholesale milk powder is stalling, and NZ is overdependent on this product market, says Woodford.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/93583679/changing-chinese-demand-for-new-zealand-dairy-puts-industry-at-risk-woodford-says
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June 19, 2017 3:08pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jack5:
  Well it is no different to you trying to make a financial crisis out of six months of GDP figures. Everyone has a opinion and the Fonterra CEO has a different opinion than your Professor.
  
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  June 19, 2017 4:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    Crisis? No, just pointed out the difference between GDP and GDP per capita.
    
    In the May 12 Hooerald article you pointed to, Happychappy, Spierings, the Fonterra chief, said:
    
    “Right now, in terms of our performance, and in terms of others wanting to enter partnerships with us, we are well placed.”
    
    Optimistic, but not over the top, I would say.
    
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    June 19, 2017 5:09pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Woodford is an absolute cock.
  
  A grass only, farm like they did in the 50’s fossil who needs to go out to pasture himself.
  
  If he says something, a bit like our mate Angry, you can be sure the opposite is true
  
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  June 19, 2017 5:28pm
  - Jack5
    
    Synlait seems to be putting its money where Keith Woodford’s mouth is, Awww C-Mon.
    
    It will be interesting to see how Synlait performs in comparison with Fonterra.
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/87037/keith-woodford-says-synlait-about-become-dominant-new-zealand-producer-infant
    
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    June 19, 2017 5:43pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Great link Jack,
      
      Makes my investment in Tatua and OCD look safe.
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:04pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        You must be one of those rich pricks to afford two farms, one of which is in the Tatua collection area. Do you prefer The Nott to the Top Pub?
        
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        June 19, 2017 8:21pm
Manolo

Obama’s reputation as a wimp is well deserved:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/15/father_of_otto_warmbier_obama_admin_told_us_to_keep_quiet_trump_admin_brought_him_home.html

The father of Otto Warmbier, an American college student imprisoned in North Korea until this week, speaks about his experience working with the Trump administration to free his son.

He delivered a short press conference at his local high school in Wyoming, OH Thursday morning.
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June 19, 2017 3:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tragic that this young man wasn’t delivered back to the USA as soon as he became comatose.
  
  Whatever the NKoreans did to him, there’s no prospect he’ll recover much brain function now.
  
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  June 19, 2017 4:13pm
waikatogirl

Safe to send him back to the USA now that Otto is no longer able to explain what the NKoreans put him through that damaged his brain so severely. All for stealing a poster of the Great One.
What a complete WASTE!
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June 19, 2017 4:21pm
publicwatchdog

Don’t watch this Kiwibloggers – you will HATE it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cft52h89roU

‘Papering over poverty’!

Never a truer thing said in jest…

Jonathon Pie, in my view, is BRILLIANT 🙂
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June 19, 2017 4:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Private landlords? You’re one of them, aren’t you Penny Dull? 😛
  
  Have you ensured your house is safe for your boarder? Have you paid the rates so she won’t end up on the street?
  
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  June 19, 2017 5:02pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Auckland Council ‘books’ are still not open, so my democratic services regarding ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’ are STILL not being provided.
    
    (Despite my best efforts 🙁
    
    So – no – I still haven’t paid Auckland Council rates.
    
    Thanks for asking 🙂
    
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    June 19, 2017 5:08pm
    - stigie
      
      Why should the fucking Council provide “you” with anything Penny when you dont pay for the services that the council provides..? Fucking nuts !~
      
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      June 19, 2017 5:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      😯
      
      Penny, do you see any similarity between yourself in regard to rates, and the owners of London’s Grenfell Tower in regard to their sense of civic responsibility?
      
      Is your home insured, Penny? I hope so. If not you are not paying your share of the cost of the Fire Service.
      
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      June 19, 2017 5:24pm
    - Harriet
      
      Still coming second to the mentally ill Penny? 😎
      
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      June 19, 2017 6:01pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Now that Auckland house prices have levelled out, the council is now looking at the maximum revenue they can extract from your hovel.
      So Penny, expect a knock on the door from the kicker-outers any day now.
      And not before time, you crazy old bat.
      
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      June 19, 2017 8:02pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  What a whining fucker he is…
  
  Imagine what a rant he could go on about a ‘lady about town’ who is so financially resourced she can own, freehold, a house in NZ’s most expensive city and be a full-time, supposedly unpaid, political campaigner… yet still not PAY HER FUCKING RATES! to provide services to the lees well off.
  
  Just Imagine aye Penelope
  
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  June 19, 2017 6:20pm
- calendar girl
  
  Pleased that you think so highly of Pie, Penny. Approve of his foul-mouthed language as well, do you?
  
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  June 19, 2017 7:30pm
Reid

U.S. pediatricians: Kids can’t cross street on their own. But they can pick their own gender

April 27, 2017 (ACPeds) — Recently the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) published an excerpt, in their AAP Daily Briefing, from a study in the April Journal of Experimental Psychology. The study reported that children under the age of 14 are not cognitively capable of crossing a busy street “because children lack the perceptual judgment and physical skills needed to consistently get across safely.” This same AAP, however, also frequently promotes the claim that children this age or younger are cognitively capable of deciding that they are the wrong sex. Moreover, the AAP also deems children cognitively competent to consent to puberty blockers, toxic sex hormones and mutilating sex reassignment surgery…

https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/consenting-to-sex-change-easier-than-crossing-street?utm_content=buffer031d9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=lifesitenews%2Btwitter&utm_campaign=buffer
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June 19, 2017 5:32pm
Jack5

Will this State spending crack health problems? Kiwiblog followers of a scientific or medical background might have opinions on this.

Such as: whether the studies will include investigation of any genetic predispositions to specific health problems, and whether taxpayer money would be better spent on non-racial health research, or even on mental health facilities or general hospitals.

The Government’s Health Research Council has awarded $818,257 to three researchers to investigate “the impact of racism” on New Zealanders’ health.

Using data from the NZ Health Survey, Dr James Stanley, Dr Ricci Harris, and Dr Donna Cormack will spend three years working to determine, reports the Hooerald, “whether racism leads to poorer health across all ethnic groups”.

The Health Research Council (HRC) channels Government spending on health research.

Besides this project, the HRC has just granted for 2017 more than $6.3 million for investigation of Pacific Islanders’ (presumably in NZ) health problems.

Details:

– Dr Ofa Dewes, the University of Auckland: Differences in fructose uptake in Pacific adolescents, $599,987.

– Dr Rosalina Richards, University of Otago: Sleep and well-being among Pacific children and adolescents, $577,528.

– Dr Debbie Ryan, Pacific Perspectives Ltd: Pacific patients’ perspectives of treatment of chronic conditions, $400,000.

– Professor Jacqueline Cumming, Victoria University of Wellington: Integrated services to improve the health of Pacific peoples, $1,194,152.

– Professor Janis Paterson, Auckland University of Technology (AUT) Pacific Islands Families Study: Impact of hearing loss on Pacific youth, $1,196,242.

– Dr El-Shadan Tautolo, AUT Pacific Islands Families: Cultural resiliency and vulnerability in mental health, $1,189,886.

– Dr El-Shadan Tautolo, AUT Technology Respiratory: health of Pacific youth. Risk and resilience throughout childhood, $1,183,935

Report of the study of the effects of racism on health study:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/93826520/victims-of-racism-to-have-health-tracked-in-800k-study
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June 19, 2017 7:25pm
- Reid
  
  whether taxpayer money be spent on non-racial health research, or even on mental health facilities or general hospitals.
  
  Speaking for possibly many of us Jack I’d venture to suggest some research into finding out what makes stephie tick so we can as a nation, avoid such mistakes in future, may be a very popular move indeed.
  
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  June 19, 2017 7:29pm
- sam green
  
  So?
  
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  June 19, 2017 7:30pm
Manolo

Battle of the hacks, kings of fake news:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/19/dean-baquet-marty-baron-editors-trump-scoops-215275
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June 20, 2017 6:46am
rightoverlabour

Guess which religion this fucker is from?? Name: Kiimatangiroa Junior Samuel – so I assumed the special bunch that look after their kids so well, but then the kicker
” A father who became upset at his 5-year-old son’s behaviour during prayer time.. ”

“after he and his children had returned from prayers at the Hastings mosque”.

Samuel was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in prison.

Hope he never gets out

Looks like the cancer is affecting any feral group now.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93929571/hawkes-bay-father-puts-fiveyearold-son-through-mockexecution-and-laughs
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