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Captain Mainwaring

Where’s the madman of Ockham?
Did he self-combust?
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June 18, 2017 8:08am
- stephieboy
  
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  We are now entering climate change denial la la land,
  
  Bill Maher visits the Kentucky Creation Museum,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uaz9Ks338c4
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:14am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Yeah well, it`s gone bust, apparently, Atheists are more powerful than the Almighty.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-ark-park-failure/
    
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    June 18, 2017 9:04am
- RalphT
  
  Don’t complain, just get on and enjoy the peace and quiet.
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:59am
sooty

WoO is sick tday.
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June 18, 2017 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Not just today
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:16am
Southern Raider

Lefties out of control in Wellington

WCC funded Artsplash decided to remove references to Israel in some songs from the musical Joseph to “make it simpler for the children”.

Sir Tim Rice has now got involved as he pointed out they didn’t have permission to change the words.

So rather than reinstate the original lyrics as any normal person would the organiser (Mary Pitchard) has dropped all three Joseph songs claiming it is too hard.

So it is now simpler for children to not speak the word “Israel” even in a historical context? Are Jews even welcome at these council funded events? What are the background of the children who needed the songs to be “simpler”?
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June 18, 2017 8:11am
- G152
  
  The next time that Mary Pitchard wants to do another ‘work of art’ a close look at Artsplash and a publishing of the enablers would not go astray
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:03am
- Inandout
  
  Herein lies the Pritchard.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/71612796/Wellingtonian-interview-Mary-Prichard
  
  I hope every Jewish family in Wellington withdraws support for this snowflake.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  Singing off the Hamas / Hezbollah song sheet , as it were. Extinction of Israel.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:44am
- Paulus
  
  Simply Pathetic – so what is new today.
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:08am
Chuck Bird

This is not just about money definitely from the mother’s point. It has affected her relationship with her son. Time to man up John.

Mother of Banks’ alleged love child breaks her silence

The mother of John Banks’ alleged love child has called on the former Cabinet Minister and Auckland mayor to “just own up to his responsibilities”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11878318
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June 18, 2017 8:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  If you knew anything of John Banks’ dysfunctional upbringing Chuck, you’d know he has manned up ever since he was a child. What about you?
  
  Throwing crap from the sidelines takes lots of courage, eh.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:21am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What about you. What is you name?
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:09am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      His name is Keeping Stock ball bag
      
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      June 18, 2017 11:17am
  - Viking2
    
    While I have little time for Chuck, its fair to say that Banks has tossed a lot of crap at others for many years, especially when on radio and about solo mothers, so he is just as despicable. That he had a tough upbringing is not a lot of difference from thousands of others of the same generation. Most didn’t behave the way Banks did.
    
    The guy looks like Banks and Banks does himself little kudos for behaving the way he does.
    From the mum’s description it seems to me to be almost a forgone that Banks knew about the boy, just wasn’t able to reconcile that with himself.
    Sad really. If money is the issue than Banks could sort that easily enough.
    sooner or later a DNA is going to get done. Not hard to get the needed hair or spit whatever.
    Still his problem and not ours.
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:34am
    - Harriet
      
      I agree…….and if Banks were Maori most here would be saying/ticking the opposite.
      
      Banks needs to fess up if he knows more than he’s letting on………but as you say it’s his business.
      
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      June 18, 2017 3:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Let he who is without a love child (known or unknown) cast the first stone.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:26am
- dad4justice
  
  The whole saga is a simple matter DNA does not lie.
  
  “On Thursday, Justice Tim Brewer said a simple DNA test could resolve the dispute”
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:30am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    That’s bullshit – forcing Banks to defend himself over and over again against all sorts of nutters and liars is classic Leftist Alinsky lawfare and it sucks.
    
    The fact that this comes out of the woodwork 30 plus years after the fact smells of leftist rabble rousing – why should he have to have his privacy breached and submit to testing. What happens if there is 10 or 20 or 50 idiots claiming Bill English is the parent of their lovechild? Should he submit to 50 DNA tests?
    
    Next thing you know we’ll have Labour after their defeat in the General Election this September calling for the same sort of violence that the Dems are shouting for in the US. We’ll have black shirt antifa thugs here protesting about English’ spaghetti pizza, someone like Lizzie Marvelly will be photographed holding a bleeding Bill Engish head and Gerry Brownlie will be shot at the annual Parliamentary pie-eating contest!
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      forcing Banks to defend himself over and over again against all sorts of nutters and liars is classic Leftist Alinsky lawfare and it sucks.
      
      Well said!
      
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      June 18, 2017 10:37am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Maggy, you are intelligent that is why I am responding to you than the others who would condemn an MP from the other side for the same thing. Did you read the article that I linked to about the woman who is almost certainly the mother of Banks child? Do you class her either as nutter or a liar?
        
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        June 18, 2017 10:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Chuck Bird
        
        It is absolutely none of my business.
        
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        June 18, 2017 11:08am
      - itstricky
        
        That was a bit of a cop out.
        
        Why clap the “nutters and liars” comment, when it looks and sounds like he is clearly Banks’ son?
        
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        June 18, 2017 12:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @itstricky
        
        I “clapped” the nutters and liars bit because this is what John Banks was subjected to in his recent trials and appeals.
        Remember:
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/68697853/editorial-court-of-appeal-vindicates-john-banks
        
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        June 18, 2017 3:25pm
    - Viking2
      
      The available information from a photo to the mothers statements would be a reasonable cause to consider the test.
      A test would also put the matter right. simple really.
      
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      June 18, 2017 11:36am
  - KevOB
    
    No test is required. It’s a civil matter between some unknown and Banks. It’s his life no ours.
    
    A further issue is that the opposing party may be on legal aid and Banks having to personally meet the costs of defence. The law can be rough when justice is needed.
    
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    June 18, 2017 2:55pm
- jonar
  
  Interesting conundrum for the John Bank’s fans here if the mother ever received welfare.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:46am
  - GoVege
    
    Exactly what I was thinking.
    Man up and pay up Banksie!
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:48am
  - Ross12
    
    If the woman did receive welfare wouldn’t the Welfare Dept ( or what ever it is called these days) have asked her who was the father of the child when she applied ?
    NB. I’m not on anyone’s side on this , just asking what I think would be an obvious question.
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:18am
    - Viking2
      
      Not in those days. Babies born out of wedlock were often just taken away a birth and the mother had little say.
      In those days there was no benefits like the DPB so no questions were asked and if the mother declined to name the father for whatever reason then nothing was done. ( DPD was introduced in 1973. https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjSlfn2hsbUAhXGy7wKHVwdCWMQFgg0MAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnzhistory.govt.nz%2Fpage%2Flegislation-introduce-dpb&usg=AFQjCNESKEeZ19pud6OAoy6mIZ4JPR37mQ&sig2=MNmW9RipnZbF_pVW3zCEUg)
      
      It seems from what the lady has said that she decided to keep the boy and he grew up knowing another as his father.
      Had Banks simply accepted the need to sort this and gone about it quietly we would be none the wiser. Being the narcissists he is that was never going to be.
      
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      June 18, 2017 11:43am
- Rich Prick
  
  Does anyone else find what should be a private matter, being splashed about so gleefully by the media a little, well yickey?
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:52am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Yep.
    
    Why this grown man would demand to be acknowledged by another grown man who has no interest in him, begs belief.
    
    As someone born out of wedlock and have never met my biological father, although my mother let me know who he was, I never saw the point of tracking him down. He knew of my existence and never felt the need to make contact. And I doubt any of his legitimate children know of my existence. He’s probably dead now and my life is what it is because it’s what it is.
    
    If Banks is his father? Let him wallow in his hypocrisy. But even if he acknowledges paternity, all it will raise is more questions. Let it go, man.
    
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    June 18, 2017 12:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Apparently it’s different for males, NW.
      This fella says he decided to contact Banks after seeing Banks “break down” on TV in distress at not having a relationship with his own father.
      Yet he doesn’t appear to care about causing the same pain to his own son.
      
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      June 18, 2017 12:53pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        And govege, if Banks admits paternity? Then what? Sunday dinners and sitting around the campfire singing kumbya?
        
        How do the children feel to know the man who could possibly, in my opinion is their grandfather, wants nothing to do with them? You can tell your kids their lineage. At the end of the day it’s who loves them that matter.
        
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        June 18, 2017 1:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        If they don’t have the proof, it’s just a rumour who their grandfather is.
        I am a keen genealogist, and I have found a few fairly brutal men in the family tree, but at least virtually all my direct male forebears had the decency to stick around and support their wives and kids.
        Western civilization is based on men doing their duty and supporting the next generation.
        Banks makes out he’s so marvellous/ fit to lead us…..he can step up and take responsibility for his own flesh and blood the same way other men do.
        
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        June 18, 2017 2:02pm
    - Paulus
      
      Money Money Money !
      
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      June 18, 2017 1:10pm
    - Viking2
      
      A wise Maori Lady who was a tenant of mine told me this one day many years ago.
      “As a Maori you nearly always know who your mother is, (but not always as babies are given for various reasons, not always altruistic), BUT you often will never know who your father is.”
      
      My experience with many confirms that’s so and it also happens to others. Maori girls especially seem prone to being given to others. Nothing, it seems, takes away the want to know and if you were to watch the various programs where people are untied with their parent or family member you would see the real emotions involved.
      Everyone is different but those lost all seem to share the same emotions.
      
      One can also see this where families have separated.
      Indeed these days many Maori want to know their lineage. Obvious reasons for that. Most often quoted as being entitlements to assets or money.
      
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      June 18, 2017 2:56pm
      - GoVege
        
        Very true, Viking.
        There is a lot of pain out there for people who have lost their dads through death, divorce or desertion.
        Most Polynesian cultures are very sexist and the males do not feel duty-bound to support their children as in the West.
        Look around the world and all these sexist cultures are poor.
        The West is the most advanced because they do not abandon and abuse their children and their children’s mothers to the degree of other cultures.
        
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        June 18, 2017 4:28pm
  - Gabby
    
    More or less than some ‘feral’ with multi kids by multi dads pricky?
    
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    June 18, 2017 5:07pm
- GoVege
  
  This case shines a light on a painful and shameful aspect of our social history.
  In the 60’s, the maternity wards of NZ were overflowing with babies needing adoption.
  The mother of this man says she was going to have her son adopted but a home could not be found, so she kept him.
  How many thousands of NZ children suffered from being put out for adoption, and their mothers suffered from giving them up?
  All because of selfish males who wouldn’t man up like decent men did.
  Now the chickens have come home to roost for one such selfish man.
  He deserves to face the music, as do no doubt hundreds of males of his generation.
  That he is arrogant enough to resist the simple solution to resolving this problem, speaks volumes.
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:32pm
  - GoVege
    
    Seems like there could be some worried KBers out there sweating it out that they might be next!
    Damn DNA.
    
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    June 18, 2017 1:46pm
  - KevOB
    
    Where’s the b. proof? You proceed as if a heinous crime has been committed without evidence. Do I detect misandry here?
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:03pm
    - GoVege
      
      No way Kev.
      I only have misandry for males who abandon their wives/ children.
      The “proof” is in the DNA, which Banksy is stubbornly refusing to provide.
      IMO, there aren’t many things lower than failing to so much as acknowledge your own child.
      
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      June 18, 2017 4:20pm
- Gabby
  
  Shagger Banksy’s allegedly a moral fellow so I’m allegedly sure he’s made arrangements to support his alleged bastards.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:17pm
  - GoVege
    
    “Shagger Banksy”….has a certain ring to it.
    
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    June 18, 2017 6:57pm
Paulus

It appears that some old lady who has now passed to the other world thought that by giving $283,835 to the Green party which she must have thought was a Cats home !
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June 18, 2017 8:16am
- MCos
  
  Your comment makes no sense. However an article in the NZ Herald seems to explain what happened.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11694864
  It seems the Green Party is also confused by this bequest, because they’d never heard of this woman previously.
  One thing you can say, there’s nothing in it for her.
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:33am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Of course Paulus’ comment makes sense – it was a joke you ning nong!
    
    And bearing in mind that the Green party has never made any sense – it just legitimises Paulus’ comment even more.
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:20am
    - MCos
      
      I realize Paulus was trying to make a fun of a dead woman whose politics he/she seems to disagree with.
      My point was that in doing so he/she can’t seem to construct a proper sentence.
      
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      June 18, 2017 2:33pm
  - Paulus
    
    Why could she not have considered the children or similar.
    No Political Party is worthy against the best interest of New zealand.
    Sad
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:11am
- Inandout
  
  She may have thought the money was intended for the Green Parrot.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:28am
- Gabby
  
  Puller’s Piss Fund is clearly inadequately publicised.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:20pm
Happychappy

So Heather du Plessis-Allan thinks that we should have a Political Party that will go back in time and follow the example of Helen Clark and Labour and bribe the young voter to encourage them to vote. What will Journalists do to try and change the government and how low will they stoop to achieve their goal. Interest free Student loans have cost this country millions with write offs and defaulters and the Media want to encourage policy like this to get the no hoppers out to vote. Voters should be very wary if a Opposition Party decides to add to the National Party Welfare budget with a bribe like Student Loans to get people out to vote.
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June 18, 2017 8:19am
- MCos
  
  I haven’t noticed the National administration making any moves to put the interest back on student loans.
  I thought that article by young Heather was full of self serving half truths. For example she mentioned that Labour did well with the youth vote in the UK, but didn’t mention they also did well amongst the middle aged. There was also no mention of the incredible French elections.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:10am
- Inandout
  
  HDPA is youth focused, her husband is fossil focused.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:31am
  - mara
    
    HDPA is fossil focused, her husband is youth focused. There, fixed it for ya.
    
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    June 18, 2017 9:49am
    - Inandout
      
      Makes sense.
      
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      June 18, 2017 10:06am
      - sooty
        
        You are only as old as the last woman you felt!
        
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        June 18, 2017 11:12am
      - GoVege
        
        Now I know why my octogenarian neighbour groped me when I was giving him a hug!
        
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        June 18, 2017 2:03pm
Paulus

In times of abject adversity, which we are told continually by the so called media that it is all around us, it it good to see that Mount Albert Grammar is hold its ball at the five star Pullman in Auckland.
Good on them – it is great venue and provides employment for the Hotel staff too.
Civil Liberties and the Min of Ed do not like that security will check all the attendees upon entry.
Have a great Ball MAGS.
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June 18, 2017 8:20am
Southern Raider

Turkey continuing towards becoming an Islamic state. Apparently the troops at Anzac Cove weren’t Turkish army but Jihadies

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93795328/anzac-monument-effaced
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June 18, 2017 8:25am
- Manolo
  
  The new sultan, Erdogan, is exerting his nefarious influence.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:34am
  - Pateke
    
    I think that all the signs are being refurbished, according to MFAT at the bottom of the article, and they believe this is not a revision of history.
    
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    June 18, 2017 9:47am
    - kowtow
      
      Tui ad.
      
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      June 18, 2017 9:50am
- holysheet
  
  wrong place
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:38am
- MCos
  
  There’s something for everyone in that article.
  Plenty of material for those who love to be offended and plenty more for “it’s all a storm in a teacup” brigade.
  One thing that can’t be denied is that the British Empire invaded Turkey.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:49am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Another thing that can’t be denied (if we’re going to use isolated facts to prove nothing at all) is that the Ottomans invaded a lot of European cities.
    
    There – that really helped move the debate forward didn’t it?
    
    The fact still remains – Turkey’s “model” Islamic democracy is dead and it’s right on Europe’s doorsteps and Erdogan is shameless about his plans to inject more muslim refugee cancer into Europe!
    
    In effect, this is the start of a repeat of the 6th Century spread of Islam that triggered 500 years of the Dark Ages. And like all big sequels – this one has to be bigger, badder and wilder than the original movie.
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:26am
    - KevOB
      
      Agree.
      
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      June 18, 2017 3:07pm
- kowtow
  
  One thing always overlooked about Gallipoli is the ethnic cleansing by the Sunni Turks in 1915 of the Greek Christians who had lived there for millenia.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:51am
stephieboy

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The Lords Prayer in Aramaic ( the language that Jesus spoke ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROM5EpCQUlg

Sealed in faith trust and truth

“The world will be saved by Beauty,”

Dostoyevsky

Bleesings to all as I prepare and go to Holy Communion at St. Alban’s, Balmoral.
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June 18, 2017 8:28am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I would have thought St Matthews in the City would be more your poison.
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:39am
- Southern Raider
  
  Have they opened the Mt Roskill border crossing?
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:42am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    stephieboy maintains an Open Back Passage policy for young muscular muslim male refugees.
    
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    June 18, 2017 8:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Alt righters are so obviously wrong and ignorant about many,many things
    
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    June 18, 2017 8:53am
    - cmm
      
      Whereas stephie is only ignorant about punctuation.
      
      On everything else he’s infallible.
      
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      June 18, 2017 9:42am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        High Five!
        
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        June 18, 2017 12:04pm
- holysheet
  
  Anglican Church of Saint Alban The Martyr
  443 Dominion Road
  Auckland
  An Anglican Church in the Catholic Tradition
  
  pray tell us what the fuck is an Anglican church in the catholic tradition?
  Is it like a bi sexual person? Undecided about what they are? No wonder you are confused, when you seem to swap from one sky fairy to another.
  
  Is there a Moslem mosque in Mt Roskill in the Catholic Tradition ? You would be better served if you found one, but then you would have to decide if you were shia or sunni. Life was supposed to be simple for you sky fairy followers.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:40am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    High Anglican?
    
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    June 18, 2017 1:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Stephie, that St Albans church is very near a mosque in design. Surely you aren’t a Muslim infiltrator intent on dastardly deeds?
  
  http://www.saintalbans.org.nz/
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:40am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    No, the killing of Christianity was an inside job, isn’t that right stephieJUDAS?
    
    Leftie “Christians” have destroyed Christianity replacing it with the #FAKE RELIGION of Communism Lite.
    
    That’s why the many empty Christian churches are rapidly being converted into Mosques across Britain by the invading Mohammedans.
    
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    June 18, 2017 12:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jazz Hand , tommorrow make and appointment and go visit your Doctor .
      
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      June 18, 2017 12:24pm
      - pentwig
        
        Tomorrow being Monday be sure you attend school, especially the English class steffie.
        If they have a common sense class attend that as well.
        Both will help you.
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:01pm
    - GoVege
      
      That is terrible about losing our ancient churches, jazz.
      But the tide seems to be turning : Richard Dawkins recently opined that Islam is the most evil of religions…including to Muslims themselves.
      Before that he said he was grateful to be raised in the Christian faith.
      
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      June 18, 2017 2:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , only in your weird and twisted mine .
    
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    June 18, 2017 12:23pm
- BeeSting
  
  The Lords Prayer in Aramaic ( the language that Jesus spoke ,
  
  The June service will be based on Celtic Worship and will be taken by Fr. Paul.
  
  and the Gaelic language originates from Egypt
  so what are you trying to say?
  
  Christianity Starts in Syria but the origins of
  it begin before christ
  
  Celtic Worship ?
  Don’t tell me you are going to grow a brain cell
  and recite that Celtic / Roman Britains Prayer
  Saint Patricks Breast Plate
  
  You do realise the Viking Wars Funded largely
  by ISLAMIC SLAVERY
  
  Basically destroyed the Celtic Church
  which is why the head of the Church
  is the Head of the State and the
  
  HEAD OF THE ARMY
  
  Nothing has surpassed the Celtic Church since
  nothing at all.
  
  But the More things Change the more they
  stay they Same
  
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  June 19, 2017 12:07am
duggledog

Southern Raider:

Re your 8.11 am post on WCC taking the word Israel from Joseph –

It’s what you can expect from this Council – one of many – stacked with Labour & Green people.

These two parties understand they will rarely be placed in Central Government, so their MO is to perform their mischief at local government level. (And of course, in the media).

Not as destructive as they’d like to be, but as you portray, rather effective.

Do-nothing National have done nothing about local government in nearly nine years. Great economy, shame about the social wreckage.
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June 18, 2017 8:47am
duggledog

No they haven’t opened the tunnel, got delayed due to software. Two more weeks.

Ahem.

This tunnel will have to have traffic lights from the south and the western entrances (you can’t have queues in a tunnel due to safety reasons, traffic must be able to flow).

So for traffic heading east on the North Western motorway in the mornings, I predict even worse congestion than experienced by those poor sods now, as the queues will start to form about 6.30 a.m.

In the evening, commuters heading north west through the tunnel will also face delays because at about 4.30 pm the north western motorway completely jams until after 6.30 pm.

I think it’s going to be interesting.
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June 18, 2017 9:00am
- KevOB
  
  My understanding is that the tunnel was not expected to be completed till the new year. Got to allow some leeway at the testing stages. If it is software driven it can take some getting right. Refer payroll testing live.
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:13pm
holysheet

Ah Stoooooooopidboy, just when you thought I was missing in action, I am back. Didcha miss me???
Have been busy all week at the fieldays, doing my little bit to help the farming economy of this wonderful country.

I see looking back at your various comments on KB, that you have been spewing forth your usual shit. I must admit it was a pleasant change to talk to people out in the farming community that are really really positive about the country’s future. It’s a bit of a letdown to come back here and see nothing has changed. You need to get out more and see the positive side of life in NZ. Maybe you can ask your sky fairy for positive guidance instead of your continual daily head banging. It is obviously having a detrimental affect on your mental state of mind.
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June 18, 2017 9:22am
lastmanstanding

Only in NZ could we have a tunnel that doesnt work. Yet again Gumint both central and local way behind the 8 ball with roading never ahead of teh curve. Always get it wrong too little too late couldnt plan their way outta a paper bag. Joyce is full of bull shit. Cant deliver the goods. Same with all of them Labour Greens NZF et al.

Promise much deliver nothing. Value for tax and rate dollars zero.

If a business did they Commerce Commission would prosecute under trade description act.
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June 18, 2017 9:24am
- MCos
  
  “Only in NZ could we have a tunnel that doesnt work.”
  You can’t be serious.
  The channel tunnel, for example, was constructed on time, but was operational a year late & often has shut downs.
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:58am
- cmm
  
  If government is the answer, you did the calculations incorrectly.
  
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  June 18, 2017 10:00am
SGA

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/stage-and-theatre/93801114/woman-storms-stage-during-julius-caesar-play-after-donald-trump-reference
🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 18, 2017 9:45am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Funny how a conservative gets arrested for interrupting a Leftist violence-inciting play when black-shirt Antifa thugs at Berkley get a free pass when they destroy property and assault people?
  
  Oh that’s right – it’s OK when the Left do it!
  
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  June 18, 2017 10:29am
  - Morrissey
    
    It’s not okay when anybody uses violence. The fact that, overwhelmingly, violence is the tool of the right does not seem to have registered with you. I wonder why that is?
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:05am
    - Viking2
      
      Well the converse is the slimy creeping of socialism whose tenet is to rule over the lives of others while the others pay the socialists to steal and spend because they know better. (which they don’t.)
      
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      June 18, 2017 11:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Morrissey posts “….overwhelmingly, violence is the tool of the right…”
      
      C’mon Morrissey: Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Kim Il Jung ….
      
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      June 18, 2017 12:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hitler…Mussollini. ..Franco….Pinochet….all those bast*rds in Central and South America…
        
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        June 18, 2017 2:06pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Once brainwashed in the cesspit of the left, there’s no room for rational thought.
        That’s why Morrissey is the way he is.
        
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        June 18, 2017 2:23pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. Another one of those huge whoppers that the Left keep on spewing out that violence is the sole province of the political right.
      
      National Socialism – yup, lots of violence from those lefties
      Antifa – yup use of violence to suppress any other viewpoint
      Slavery in the US – yup, that was the Democrats that were against abolition.
      Cultural revolution in China – yup communists (on the Left Morrissey) hundreds of millions died extremely violently
      Stalinist (ie leftist Communist) Russia – yup more on the Left
      Killing fields in Cambodia – yup more of those damn socialists exterminating millions in the name of good old Leftist principles.
      
      As usual with Leftist lies – they can’t be backed up by facts. Have a look at this country – what’s the political viewpoints of the violent political protesters – yup pretty much all on the Left.
      
      But then – you are using “feelings” to help you deal with the fact that around the world the evil of socialism is in retreat and rejected by ordinary, decent people.
      
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      June 18, 2017 1:16pm
      - Gabby
        
        German DEMOCRATIC Republic DipstickPerspective, lots of democracy from that lot.
        
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        June 18, 2017 4:30pm
    - KevOB
      
      “…overwhelmingly, violence is the tool of the right” Yeah right! So who are the paid protestors–well paid stock brokers?
      
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      June 18, 2017 3:17pm
  - itstricky
    
    Berkeley – Milo – riot – 1 arrest
    Berkeley – anti & pro Trump – clash – 20+ arrests.
    
    Do you just make stuff up?
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:20am
- cha
  
  While we are champions of the first amendment, this interruption unfortunately was part of a paid strategy driven by social media,” it said on Twitter.
  
  Loomer and Posobiec denied they were paid to protest.
  
  Busted.
  
  That's interesting. https://t.co/a1n7mMOOAY was created by Ezra Levant at 6pm UTC, 2pm EDT. Laura crashed the play at 6pm EDT. pic.twitter.com/KcLCanvMo6— Gowilla Minethet (@anonops_nato) June 17, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/anonops_nato/status/875917503758827520
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:48pm
Happychappy

I posted a comment last week about Matt McCarten having left Labour the run the project to get the missing million to vote and was Labour still funding hi s wages. Well now there is some suggesting the Unions are funding this on behalf of Labour with the message the same to change the Government. Surely this should be looked at because this is a very big Donation that should be declared so the voter can see who is running the policy of the Labour Party.
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June 18, 2017 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  It smells like a nine day old road kill.
  
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  June 18, 2017 10:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Happychappy
  
  You might want to take a look at Pete George’s blog
  https://yournz.org/2017/06/18/mccartens-new-project/
  
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  June 18, 2017 10:45am
  - Happychappy
    
    The Electoral office should be having a good look at this as it should be their initiative and run independent of Labour and the Unions.This is a slight on the integrity of our Political system.
    
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    June 18, 2017 11:16am
- Jack5
  
  McCarten led the deal between State-owned Radio NZ and the 19 Maori radio stations subsidised by taxpayers.
  
  Will Radio NZ now get in behind McCarten’s latest project?
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:20pm
- KevOB
  
  Keep us up to date on this. A hidden election fraud could bein the making. Labour has done it before.
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:19pm
Reid

Here’s the difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May’s visits to Grenfell Tower

This is why Corbyn got so many votes.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/heres-difference-between-jeremy-corbyn-10628433
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June 18, 2017 10:17am
Morrissey

Prime Minister in waiting…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-standing-ovation-house-of-commons-labour-general-election-parliament-a7787936.html
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June 18, 2017 11:01am
- kowtow
  
  …….waiting, waiting , waiting…….
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:53pm
DifferentPerspective

Ozzie moron tries to link HNZC to Grenfell Tower fire

I just wish Alison Mau would f*** off back to Australia if she hates NZ so much! In this pathetic pimp-the-poor piece in Stuff she tries to link”mongrel” landlord HNZC to the Grenfell Towers fire.

Fake news of the highest order – seriously Ali Mau should head back to muslim-infested Melbourne to enjoy some diversity dividends if she can’t find anything more useful to do with her time than this drivel.

60k plus mostly drop-kicks enjoy HNZC housing they’re too useless to provide for themselves at the taxpayers’ expense and she tries to dress them up as slum-landlords?

No wonder the MSM are the least-trusted profession!
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June 18, 2017 11:04am
- dirty harry
  
  I know what she needs, and it aint carpet munching.
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:20pm
  - sam green
    
    You are vile.
    
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    June 18, 2017 12:45pm
  - Gabby
    
    Wart diu mean, detty haddy? Yiu gort some blek baws not busy on your orse this oftinewn?
    
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    June 18, 2017 4:46pm
- GoVege
  
  Too useless?
  Or perhaps some were betrayed and ripped off by the greedy thieves they should have been able to trust.
  My aunt spent half her life in a statehouse after her husband sold their family home and ran off, leaving her with 4 young kids in a rental and with no income.
  She raised the kids on her own, working in factories to support them.
  They have all done well, and none are taking up statehouses.
  As for dad?
  Finally heard from the selfish sh*t 30 years later, when he needed to put some blurb about his “family” in his position on the city council.
  
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  June 18, 2017 1:43pm
Reid

The Most Important Video On Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-broTS1HwXc
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June 18, 2017 11:22am
- thedavincimode
  
  Reid, I think you’ll find that this is the official version?
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:30am
Southern Raider

AUT is launching a Masters of Human Rights

Poster child is a Muslim woman in a hijab
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June 18, 2017 11:31am
- GoVege
  
  Now that’s a symbol of a liberated woman…
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  As a case study one would hope?
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:55am
  - GoVege
    
    If only…but somehow I doubt it RP.
    
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    June 18, 2017 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Another useless pseudo-academic degree.
  
  Taxpayers’ money provides the facilities, most of the lecturers’ pay, and funds the student loans.
  
  What jobs will these people fill? The Human Rights Commission can take in only so many, and needs some lawyers.
  
  Our tertiary education system is out of synch with the job market.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:32pm
- Gabby
  
  Is it sponsored by the UN Chair of the HRC?
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:49pm
Stars And Stripes

LGBT asylum seekers granted refugee status in NZ
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/333279/lgbt-asylum-seekers-granted-refugee-status-in-nz
“At least 40 asylum seekers have been granted refugee status in New Zealand because of their sexual orientation.
Twenty-five cases were approved by Immigration New Zealand in the past five years and further cases have been approved by an appeals tribunal based on lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender status.
In the most recent case, the Immigration and Deportation Tribunal granted refugee status to a bisexual Pakistani man, who lived with a transgender woman in Whangarei and Auckland.

Yes well if he is indicative of the kinds of cases being approved then you wonder where all this nonsense is going to end.
The refugee approval criteria seems to just keep expanding depending on what the latest trendy issue is.
Next up possibly will be bullying, not having access to tampons, being fat and maybe even not having lunch at school will allow you to qualify.
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June 18, 2017 11:34am
- GoVege
  
  I have no problem with gay men getting refugee status.
  1) They aren’t likely to produce heaps of kids / future jihadists.
  2) I don’t think the 72 virgins on offer in the afterlife will have the same appeal.
  
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  June 18, 2017 11:56am
- Jack5
  
  Could this be yet another hole in the sieve that is NZ’s population-protection border?
  
  What’s to stop gatecrashers from posing as, say, persecuted transvestites, then once they have NZ residency suddenly reverting to standard heterosexuals.
  
  They could quickly bring in a soon-to-be spouse and start a large family, supported by welfare payments and the myriad other NZ subsidies.
  
  Meanwhile, Christians are being butchered in Pakistan, but I doubt there are any Christian refugees from Pakistan being allowed into NZ.
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:02pm
- Scott
  
  Well I do have a problem! A bisexual Pakistani man living with a transgender woman? So what are the skills and employability of this man? How will NZ benefit from this individual?
  Incredibly annoying that we are allowing sexual politics to bring in the flotsam and jetsam of the world. And no doubt the poor hard pressed taxpayer will have to foot the bill!
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:42pm
- Gabby
  
  Well they won’t be as breedy and stabby as some others.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:56pm
  - GoVege
    
    “Breedy and stabby”?
    You definitely have a way with words, Gabby!
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:30pm
  - paul scott
    
    thats wicked Gabby, I’m going to use it, breedy and stabby yes
    
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    June 19, 2017 1:47am
Jack5

Evidence from Vancouver and Sydney suggests that Chinese money has been behind the Auckland property bubble. The Canadian and Australian experiences are detailed in an article in the Hooerald.

All the denials and ridicule about the Auckland bubble being fuelled by Chinese money – are they just “public relations’ rubbish?

If so, is NZ the most PR-ridden country in the world, or are we just the most gullible?

The Hooerald report:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11878670
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June 18, 2017 11:47am
- Reid
  
  “are we just the most gullible?”
  
  Evidently some of us are Jack. However I’ve been explaining the Chinese money issue ever since DPF first started claiming the prices were all to do with lack of supply. Go ahead and check if you don’t believe me.
  
  So count me out of the gullible class.
  
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  June 18, 2017 1:30pm
Happychappy

You would think with a Election so close that National Ministers would know that the stupidest twitter comments or OIA requests should be dealt with respect and caution. So lets hope Simon Bridges and Maggie Barry are read the riot act by Bill English and his Senior MP’s for their arrogant behavior over the last few days. These two idiots could and might have swung the penduium back to the Coalition from hell with their negative behavior in dealing with issues.
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June 18, 2017 11:47am
- ex-golfer
  
  What have Bridges and Barry done this time?
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:20pm
- Gabby
  
  Slimy Britches diddin even know there was any report that was out of date and made him uncomfibble. When he’s croakin he’s lyin.
  
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  June 18, 2017 5:03pm
cha

The new sultan and his ilk being balls deep in terror goes some way in explaining the coup that wasn’t.

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All these documents, testimonials and official court proceedings suggest a pattern by which ISIL and al-Qaeda networks have been mushrooming in Turkey with the full knowledge and at times with the help of Turkish intelligence service MİT. For political gains, Erdoğan appears to have been directing the intel services to facilitate, enable and empower Jihadist enterprise while thwarting the criminal justice system from cracking down hard on the detained suspects. That is why hundreds of ISIL and al-Qaeda suspects were released after brief detentions in Turkey while 264 journalists were locked away on trumped up charges because of their critical writings and comments on despotic Erdoğan regime.

http://stockholmcf.org/commentary-turkey-intel-knew-isil-suicide-bomber-his-accomplices-in-the-murder-of-israelis/
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June 18, 2017 12:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG & VANCOUVER …

What home life looks like in a city with the world’s least affordable housing (Hong Kong) – National | Globalnews.ca

http://globalnews.ca/news/3535989/hong-kong-cage-homes/

While it remains tougher in Vancouver to service a mortgage than anywhere else in Canada, it isn’t quite the world’s most difficult city in which to pay for shelter.

That’s Hong Kong, according to a Demographia survey released earlier this year.

And last year, Canadian-educated photographer Benny Lam brought the lives of low-income people in that city to life in a series of stunning images that show just what home can look like in the world’s least affordable city. … read and view more via hyperlink above …
2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Battery farms in the sky: Starting in the Fifties, the people who thought they knew best built multi-storey monstrosities. With the same disdain they forced others to live in them, writes RICHARD PENDLEBURY … UK Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605604/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Towers-battery-farms-sky.html#ixzz4k4i7MTSN

HAPPY 70th BIRTHDAY LEVITTOWN … 1947 MODERN SUBURBIA IS BORN’ …

Levittown history in photos | Newsday

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/levittown-history-in-photos-1.13458781#1

In 1947, William Levitt of Levitt & Sons began building mass-produced, affordable housing for veterans returning from WWII. Island Trees, or Levittown as it later became known, is widely recognized as the first modern American suburb. Families started moving into the new homes on Oct. 1, 1947.

The area that would become Levittown was formerly a series of potato fields on the Hempstead Plains that were affected by the Golden Nematode, an insect from Europe that destroyed much of the crops at the time. Levitt bought the land for a reduced price and eventually built more than 17,700 homes on the land by utilizing elements borrowed from Henry Ford’s assembly line process. The homes, which sold for just $7,990, included appliances and an expandable attic.
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June 18, 2017 12:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  How many times have you told us about Levittown? 10? 15? 20?
  If we were interested we would have got the message by now.
  Boring, boring boring.
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:43pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Capt Mainwaring … Sadly, the social and political consequences of NOT ALLOWING urban areas to expand normally, is still poorly understood … particularly by the loser protectionist element on the Right.
    
    Here is some more important reading … from Robert Colville formally of the UK Tory / Telegraph …
    
    Without more houses, tomorrow belongs to Labour … Robert Colville … CAPX … h/t PH …
    
    https://capx.co/without-more-houses-tomorrow-belongs-to-labour/
    
    Why can’t we have … for example … Phoenix, Arizona house pricing here ? (like we used to) … this example from Pulte Homes … h/t GF …
    
    https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView
    
    The above is simply just normal pricing. Note the Americans only include the ‘heated area’ when quoting building areas. Add 6 metres by 6 metres for garaging (multily by 10.764 to get square feet) to the Pulte Home area figures. then calculate the all up costs per square metre.
    
    Why do you object to normal pricing ?
    
    Suburbia is the ‘cradle of conservatism’ of course.
    
    Hopefully … it will be again … once good numbers of them on the Right wake up and wean themselves off welfare ( rent subsidies etc etc ) …
    
    Crony Chronicles: I Want To Be A Crony – YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aO9tA5DWJM
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:24pm
dirty harry

Dull, as usual Hugh. Go to church, or find something useful to do.
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June 18, 2017 12:17pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Dirty Harry … housing is the number one issue in the lead up to the General Election 23 September …
  
  … all because John Key did not do what he promised a decade ago …
  
  … YES … a decade ago ! …
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=john+key+housing+reform+2007+&spf=1497761590004
  
  … instead they pissed around … allowing another $400 billion of unnecessary and dangerous bubble value to be pumped in to the housing market … so that it is today a truly nutty $1 trillion … or 3.9 times GDP !
  
  It should not exceed 1.2 … screaming tops 1.5 times GDP … as I explained February 2011 within ‘Housing affordability out of sync with incomes’ …
  
  https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
  
  Check out the 5 Important Graphs at the front top of http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … taking particular note on the housing value to GDP graph the trends of the U.S and Ireland … and where we sit now.
  
  Mo wonder the Australian and New Zealand Banking community is terrified.
  
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  June 18, 2017 5:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    As usual, since the muppets at Labour and the bigot Twyford declared it a crisis, it seems to be coming right.
    1500 Houses coming courtesy of Fletchers! More at Pt England, new Housing Foundation project at Manukau, more out at Flat Bush, lots of Apartments in the City, in Albany, in the City Fringe.
    Good news huh Hugh.
    Hugh?
    Hugh?
    Then again, you don’t live here and aren’t in the industry so what the fuck do you know.
    
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    June 18, 2017 5:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Mo wonder the….New Zealand Banking community is terrified.’
    
    I talk to Bankers all the time.They are not. They’re all pretty happy about where they are. You really talk a lot of crap.
    
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    June 18, 2017 5:33pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      All On Red … Hiding behind a nom de plume making childish comments does not impress anyone.
      
      The numbers speak for themselves.
      
      When the National led Government came to office in 2008 Auckland’s median multiple was 6.4 … when Nick Smith was appointed Housing (now Hyperventilation) Minister early 2013 it was 6.7 … today a stratospheric 10.
      
      The current new residential consent rate is a truly lousy 6.5 per 1000 population and falling … and it appears the completion rate is a woeful 5. Leonie Freeman discussed this recently.
      
      In 2007 Ireland’s metros peaked at 4.7 MM and crashed to 2.8 … wiping out all their Banks capital putting them to the wall … and requiring a bailout of in excess of 70 billion euros ($NZ109 billion).
      
      Australia’s metros are currently at 5.5 MM … New Zealand’s 5.9. Refer this years Demographia Survey and earlier ones as required via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
      
      Do you know what the capital base of the Irish Banks were in 2007 ?
      
      I think New Zealand’s are a whisker under $NZ30 billion … Australia’s about $A165 billion.
      
      No wonder things have started to tank in Auckland and Christchurch …
      
      Harcourts says the house prices that were being achieved at the height of the market are no longer realistic | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88264/harcourts-says-house-prices-were-being-achieved-height-market-are-no-longer-realistic
      
      The country’s largest real estate agency says average house prices are starting to fall, and the inflated prices that were achievable last year are no longer realistic.
      
      Harcourts chief executive Chris Kennedy said the agency sold almost 15% fewer homes in May than it did in May last year, and average prices are being affected by declining sales.
      
      That is particularly noticeable in Auckland where the average price in May was below the average in May 2016, for the first time since sales started declining late last year.
      
      The average price of Auckland homes sold by Harcourts in May was $947,809 which was well below the $1,024,317 benchmark set in April this year, and down 0.7% compared to May last year.
      
      In Christchurch the slide in price has been even more severe, with May’s average sale price of $498,370 down 10% compared to the average price of $553,114 in May last year.
      
      “Vendors are starting to adjust their expectations when it comes to prices,” Kennedy said.
      
      “The inflated prices that were achievable at the very height of the market are no longer realistic.” … read more via hyperlink above
      
      Hello Hugh Pavletich,
      kiwikaryn replied to your comment on NZ house prices rise in May, but sales volumes collapse (behind paywall)
      
      “If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline)”. This was the exact point made by Michael Burry in The Big Short. The gig is up when prices stop rising, not when they start falling. In Chch I am seeing huge amounts of stock coming to market, mostly low end, clearly investors trying to get rid of investment properties now they are struggling to rent them at prices to cover their escalating mortgage costs. Stock is at the highest its ever been (across the 14 suburbs, and price brackets that I monitor) and its June, when it should be at its lowest. God help them when all the spring stock hits the market in a couple of months.
      
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      June 18, 2017 6:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The new wave of Pacific migration: Thousands leave Auckland housing crisis behind for life in the provinces | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/93730362/the-new-wave-of-pacific-migration-thousands-leave-behind-the-auckland-housing-crisis-for-life-in-the-provinces
        
        Ta’ufo’ou Mataka hasn’t looked back since leaving her Auckland home four years ago for a new life in Timaru.
        
        The mother of four moved to the South Island when her husband, Misimana Mataka, accepted a job as a fishing ship engineer, and is one of thousands of Pacific Islanders leaving Auckland for a fresh start in the South Island.
        
        According to Statistics New Zealand, several thousand Pacific Islanders have left Auckland for greener pastures in towns like Oamaru and Ashburton, the exodus being fuelled by increased employment opportunities and more affordable housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 18, 2017 7:27pm
Biscuit

Is it too soon for me to begin handing out banners saying:
‘BRING BACK WILLIAM OF OCKHAM’
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June 18, 2017 12:56pm
- pdm
  
  Biscuit – even I had to give you a down tick for that.
  
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  June 18, 2017 1:08pm
  - Biscuit
    
    pdm, I am just astonished that two folk saw fit to UPtick my comment!
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

An interesting item on Nat radio this morning
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/201847642/insight-the-changing-face-of-sport-in-nz
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June 18, 2017 1:04pm
- Jack5
  
  It was an interesting programme, Maggy. But, to me, it reflected the socialist sentiment of entitlement that Radio NZ’s Labour Programme sometimes projects. An entitlement for facilities and help to be come out of the taxpaying community.
  
  We’ve picked up many sports from other cultures without the country being expected to “cater” for the minorities who might be interested in them.
  
  We have polo from India or thereabouts centuries ago, and I’ve read that badminton comes from a game British soldiers played in India.
  
  Surfing’s come from Hawaii, and karate and other martial sports from Japan have been widely taken up, outpacing in NZ popularity ice hockey from Canada and Australian Rules football, but with nowhere near the following here of basketball from America.
  
  I see kabaddi was a demonstration sport at the 1936 Olympic Games. The clips of it on Youtube seem to show a fairly slow sport, and it looks to be for guys only in the way I suspect sumo wrestling is.
  
  If new minorities want these sports, let them provide the organisation and facilities, and win a popular following.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:59pm
wreck1080

Couple of ‘car enthusiasts’ (ie, boy racers) were killed yesterday in a car accident.

Friends are doing a tribute for them, and in doing so scrawled all sorts of writing over the back of the tribute car.

Including the letters “FTP”, which means fuck the police.

What kind of animals are these morons?
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June 18, 2017 1:05pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Natural selection is utterly unforgiving!
  
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  June 18, 2017 1:18pm
- GoVege
  
  Teenagers?
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:07pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not

I am John Banks secret son to Helen KKKlarKKK.
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June 18, 2017 1:06pm
- stigie
  
  Christ, i pity poor John Banks then !~
  
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  June 18, 2017 1:27pm
  - GoVege
    
    Hope you took after your mum….in EVERY way..
    
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    June 18, 2017 2:08pm
Longknives

Christ the amount of utter shit I saw doing the rounds on Facebook after the NZ Maori team did their Haka last night-

“Greatest Haka Ever!”
“You could see the Lions shitting themselves”
“Those little White Boys are shaking in their boots” etc etc

Now I don’t watch rugby anymore but I assume after such a ‘Terrifying’ Pre-Match Dance the Maori team must have absolutely thrashed those ‘Scared little White Boys’?..
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June 18, 2017 1:23pm
- VicParking
  
  The Haka was the best part. It all went down hill from there.
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:39pm
  - sooty
    
    I hate the haka. I wish they would answer it with a group of morris dancers.
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:49pm
- kowtow
  
  That “Maori” team hadda coupla three little white boys.
  
  Pity it can’t just be about the footie.
  
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  June 18, 2017 4:08pm
- Jack5
  
  It was the longest haka I’ve seen, and the first time I’ve seen rugby players brandish weapons as part of the choreography.
  
  The time spent on rehearsing the haka might have been better spent practising rugby.
  
  Someone knowledgeable might be able to tell us whether haka were designed to incite rather than to terrify.
  
  An old soldier told me Maori had developed pa defences almost impervious to attack in pre-gunpowder, pre-cannon days, and raiding war parties would dance the haka to try to incite the warriors within a pa to come out and fight.
  
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  June 18, 2017 5:15pm
Viking2

Democrat-Run Illinois is BROKE – Notifies Contractors to Halt Roadwork

Failed Democrat-run Illinois is so broke from years of taxing and spending, they sent a letter to contractors giving them notice that all road work in the state will be halted except for what is needed for safety.

Illinois is a shining beacon of progress that shows what will happen to the rest of the country if Obama’s minions get a stronghold on Washington D.C.—more taxes, fewer jobs, more violence and disrespect for the principles that made America great.

http://defiantamerica.com/democrat-controlled-illinois-broke-halt-roadwork/
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June 18, 2017 2:32pm
- Southern Raider
  
  You can play a great little game when driving around the US.
  
  As you drive between states you can tell which State is under Democratic leadership and which is under Republician based on what the road and over infrastructure is like.
  
  Californian inter states have pot holes that could swallow trucks whole
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:05pm
Tom Barker

Bravo to Disabilities Minister Nicky Wagner for acknowledging that she really doesn’t give a damn for that portfolio. This is what we love about the National government – their frankness, openness and scorn for petty political correctness. The electorate loves politicians prepared to be honest about their utter disregard for anyone with fewer opportunities than themselves.
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June 18, 2017 2:55pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Bullshit – she’s just articulated the same thing any “normal” person would say.
  If this is what gets people upset then life will be too short for most of them – they will die early from their ulcers of bitterness.
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep bullshit indeed.
    These drongoes jump on every and any indication by the right to push their agenda of of cruelty , heartlessness of the rich toward the unfortunate , the less “equal”, the powerless , the oppressed ( add favourite identity group) to cause anger and division etc That’s all they want to do , stir shit for the cause comrade.
    Right now the media and left are playing the Grenfel fire for all it’s worth to take May’s scalp.
    
    I don’t doubt for a second that the minister meant nothing nasty , but it will be milked for all it’s worth.
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:48pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Notice how it took three whole days for the continually offended to make up their mind that they were offended?
      God knows how long it would take if she said some REALLY offensive.
      
      Snowflakes of the left (including the media) must have boring existences wanking themselves off in their social media echo-chambers.
      
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      June 18, 2017 4:01pm
      - sam green
        
        Much like yourself?
        
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        June 18, 2017 6:30pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        With my 428 comments compared to your 2,127, I don’t think so Sam
        
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        June 18, 2017 6:45pm
Longknives

I’m a ‘Two Ticks National’ Kinda Guy.
But Nicky Wagner needs to realise this is Election Year and making dumb-ass lazy comments like that are going to get her (and her Party) fucking crucified by the Lefty Media!
Honestly- Are National throwing this Election??
*If they are DPF- Please tell us now and I will vote Winston to keep the bloody Greens out of Power…
(Jesus I’d vote for Hitler to keep the Greens away from our Economy..)
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June 18, 2017 3:16pm
- simpleton1
  
  Only one way out now.
  If she has her own boat, or charter one, and take a few disabled out for a sail for the day.
  It is the giving of time, that would be appreciated.
  More than once would be good.
  That raises more problems of who can go for the sail? just making it appearances? and fitting in the time?
  
  But then I do know that meetings can be boring, particularly if, when the chairman allows every one their say, often in circles, and drags on going thru the agenda.
  
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  June 18, 2017 3:36pm
  - Longknives
    
    Agreed Simpleton- They are as boring as fuck.
    But Ms Wagner needs to remind herself of two things-
    1) How much we the Taxpayer are paying her to yawn through that meeting…(That’s how she can afford her boat!)
    2) It’s freaking Election Year! (As I wrote above..)
    
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    June 18, 2017 3:40pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Longknives : What Simon Bridges has done is no better and as a Senior Minister he should know better.
      
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      June 18, 2017 3:54pm
    - simpleton1
      
      You are right, on both accounts.
      They do have to focus, and above all be good for all the people they represent and correctly do what is in their portfolio.
      
      If only she had tweeted she would have love to have seen more disabled out for a sail, like on the “Spirit of NZ”
      
      Once a year an Inspiration voyage for trainees with physical disabilities is run, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_New_Zealand
      
      She should have know what is happening and know her job.
      
      Focus on the job at hand, and do the work they are supposed to do. ( for the $ paid)
      
      That social media gadgetry has been the death of politicians, and for others, great opportunities and the makings of them.
      
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      June 18, 2017 3:59pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      And yet it took three whole days for the offended to decide they were offended!
      Give me a break……..
      
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      June 18, 2017 4:03pm
      - sooty
        
        Getting offended has to fit into slow news days.
        
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        June 18, 2017 4:57pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Jesus I’d vote for Hitler to keep the Greens away from our Economy..”
  
  If your kids are white they will be voting for Hitler in 15 – 25 years to defend themselves against the majority non white imports trying to install a Zimbabwean kind of regime in NZ.
  
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  June 18, 2017 5:24pm
big bruv

So our media are happy to splash Banks private life all over the papers yet that same media will not talk about the living arrangements of David Cuntliffe and a certain TV One reporter or the personal living arrangements and ‘Married life of dear ex Leader Helen Clark.
If its good enough to expose Banks then lets have it out there about them all.
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June 18, 2017 5:37pm
- GoVege
  
  Were talking about a guy who just wants to know who his dad is, bb.
  That’s all.
  This has nothing to do with “living arrangements”, etc.
  
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  June 18, 2017 6:00pm
  - big bruv
    
    Yes, but does the prick really have to do it via the media?
    This guy is looking for money, nothing more than that.
    
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    June 18, 2017 6:11pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sounds like he tried the usual method for some time and it got him nowhere.
      
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      June 18, 2017 6:48pm
big bruv

I have received my first suspension from Twitter. All for pointing out that a ‘shemale’ was actually a cock in a frock, a bloke in a dress and somebody suffering from a mental illness.
What the hell is wrong with that?
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June 18, 2017 5:43pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Big Bruv:
  
  I don’t bother with Twitter but, after reading your comment, I looked up the Twitter Rules. It’s not immediately apparent to me how your comment breached those rules. Can you tell us what specific reason was given (quoting the exact wording – which presumably refers to the rules) for suspending your account?
  
  [Edit: A downtick for asking a question? Tough crowd!]
  
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  June 18, 2017 6:30pm
  - big bruv
    
    Exact wording is as follows. ” We have determined that you have violated the Twitter rules, so we’ve temporarily limited some of your account features etc”
    They then show you the ‘offending’ tweet and demand that you remove it, once you do that the 12 hour suspension starts its countdown. Clearly if you are a snowflake you can silence those who hurt your feelings. Still, its back to the front lines in 29 mins for me. 🙂
    
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    June 18, 2017 6:55pm
    - nasska
      
      How on planet Earth does Baity operate in a sheltered workshop like that BB? 🙂
      
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      June 18, 2017 6:59pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        If Redbaiter decides that the Twitter universe is too PC for his global conservative movement, then he could always come back to the safe warm environment of Kiwiblog!
        
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        June 18, 2017 7:04pm
      - nasska
        
        A few group hugs & a round of high fives would probably do the trick Nostra. 🙂
        
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        June 18, 2017 7:09pm
      - big bruv
        
        I did not realise that Bedwetter is on Twitter, I must seek him out. I am sure he will be most pleased to see me.
        Is D4J on Twitter as well?
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:09pm
      - stigie
        
        If you do happen to get hold of Dad on twitter BB, he will think it’s me anyway so no point really..?
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:16pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        I actually think it might be a good thing if you and Dad were to become Twitter buddies. It’s only a short step from there to Facebook Friends Forever!
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:37pm
      - stigie
        
        I will have a meeting with the other identities Nostra to see if we want to go down that road of misery ole chap !~
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Possibly a bit harsh on Dad there old chap! I’d be happy to shout him a beer if I’m ever in Christchurch. I’m sure we’d have a very interesting discussion – lots of things that he probably can’t share with us on Kiwiblog.
        
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        June 18, 2017 8:59pm
- Viking2
  
  big bruv said;
  Somebody suffering from a mental illness.
  
  When pointing a finger there is always three more pointing back at you.
  
  Obviously no one cared much for your point of view. Colour us surprised.
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:54pm
Nostradamus

Lizzie Marvelly ‘devastated’ by anthem mishap ahead of NZ Maori v Lions match

Sounds like Lizzie Marvelly might just be her own harshest critic – when it comes to singing, anyway. The 27-year-old singer, who often performs the New Zealand national anthem at rugby games, has vented her disappointment at a sound malfunction when she stepped up to the mike at last night’s NZ Maori v Lions match.

There’s a very long “excuse letter” in the link.
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June 18, 2017 6:41pm
nasska

….”her disappointment at a sound malfunction”….

I’m sure most just wrote it off as crap singing…..she’s got form after all.
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June 18, 2017 6:48pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha Lizzie can’t sing to save herself!
  The only gig she gets is butchering Anthems at shitty little Rugby matches and that’s most likely due to her family connections..
  Best you stick to ranting about the evils of capitalism Lizzie!….( because with your wealth of life experience we are all listening ..)
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:26pm
  - cha
    
    Ha Ha Lizzie can’t sing to save herself!
    
    you’re an angry wee sausage knives, wtf did Lizzie do to you?
    
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    June 18, 2017 8:48pm
krazykiwi

If are ever in Abu Dhabi, I recommend visiting the Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Mosque. Stunning mosaic work, and marble architecture.

Make sure to use a new guide book though… as this mosque has just been renamed ‘Mariam Umm Eisa’ or Mary, Mother of Jesus Mosque by Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, Abu Dhabi crown prince and deputy supreme commander of the UAE Armed Forces
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June 18, 2017 7:39pm
- nasska
  
  A small favour krazykiwi. Of late we’ve noticed that our harrier hawks are under threat. It seems that the cyclists who end up as roadkill on the verges of Wairarapa roads are choking the birds with their gay lycra garments.
  
  In future please wear something biodegradable. Thanks. ?
  
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  June 18, 2017 7:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Brilliant nasska, the scourge of our roads needs the blast furnace up them.
    
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    June 18, 2017 8:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Yet another example of alt right mindlessness and irrelevancy !
      
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      June 18, 2017 9:43pm
- cha
  
  Popular girlie, though.
  
  According to the Qur’an, divine grace surrounded Mary from birth,[7] and, as a young woman, she received a message from God through the archangel Gabriel that God had chosen her, purified her, and had preferred her above all “the women of the worlds.”[7] This event, according to the same narrative, was followed by the annunciation of a child who was to be miraculously conceived by her through the intervention of the divine spirit while she was still virgin, whose name would be Jesus and who would be the “anointed one,” the Promised Messiah.[7] As such, orthodox Islamic belief “has upheld the tenet of the virgin birth of Jesus,”[7] and although the classical Islamic thinkers never dwelt on the question of the perpetual virginity of Mary at any great length,[7] it was generally agreed in traditional Islam that Mary remained virgin through the entirety of her life, with the Qur’an’s mention of Mary’s purification “from the touch of men” implying perpetual virginity in the minds of many of the most prominent Islamic fathers.[8]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam
  
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  June 18, 2017 8:54pm
  - nasska
    
    IOW she was returned unopened. 🙂
    
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    June 18, 2017 8:59pm
Nostradamus

New Pike River footage undermines official ‘raging inferno’ story

New footage from inside the Pike River mine appears to contradict official reports that the 2010 explosions caused a raging inferno that would have destroyed everything inside.
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Labour leader Andrew Little said the new footage provided a compelling reason to allow re-entry into the mine. “I have committed to safe re-entry of Pike and we’ll clear the technicalities that the Government hides behind instead of providing the leadership the families so desperately need.”

I’ll wait to hear from Chuck Bird before forming my own opinion!
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June 18, 2017 9:07pm
Nostradamus

I’ve been watching this video – very dry for non-lawyers – about a skirmish between 3 Australian government ministers and an appeal court.

Background:

Three Coalition Government ministers have withdrawn some statements but refused to apologise to the Victorian Court of Appeal for criticising the state’s judiciary over terrorism sentences. Human Services Minister Alan Tudge, Health Minister Greg Hunt and Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar have been asked to explain why they should not be charged with contempt of court, over comments they made in an article published in The Australian newspaper on Tuesday.

Short summary: The 3 government ministers (represented by the Solicitor-General) retracted comments relating to “hard-left activist judges” but didn’t apologise for anything else they said. The judges are angry but life must go on!
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June 18, 2017 9:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nostradamus,
  
  “hard-left activist judges” ?
  
  Code for the those who try to respect and interpret the constitution and they’re understanding of the rule of law .
  
  Not your shallow ideolgical whims and preferences .
  
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  June 18, 2017 9:40pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Not your shallow ideolgical whims and preferences
    
    You know nothing about me and my professional legal career. Fuck off with your shallow and irrelevant insults.
    
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    June 18, 2017 9:49pm
- Reid
  
  Judges all over the Westminster world need to be told contempt of them is not contempt of court.
  
  The political conventi0n of not criticising judges because they’re not able to defend themselves needs to be adjusted.
  
  We are no longer children who need judicial fathers to explain things to us.
  
  The faith in the Westminster system will not collapse if open criticsm becomes rife.
  
  There’s significant reforms that need to be made but to date, we have no politicians in the line of succession to the legal portfolios on either side, with the foresight and insight even to recognise such is required. Finlayson’s arrogant attitude for instance is part of the problem, not the solution. And he’s not alone.
  
  But if reforms are not made then increasingly the legal system will be perceived as anachronistic, out of touch, harsh, ruthless and uncaring.
  
  There is a window of about ten years before this sentiment starts showing up in public polls. By the time it shows, it’s already too late to change it.
  
  And once it takes hold it will threaten the whole legal profession.
  
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  June 18, 2017 10:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    Thanks for your constructive comment on the issue – unlike Stephieboy’s.
    
    This statement summarises the court’s position:
    
    Given that the court’s decisions in both cases were pending, the court is concerned that the attributed statements were impermissible at law and improperly made in an attempt to influence the court in its decision or decisions. Further, the court is concerned that some of the statements purported to scandalise the court. That is by being calculated to improperly undermine public confidence in the administration of justice in this state in respect of the disposition of the appeals that the court has presently under consideration.
    …
    We would add, in the strongest terms, the legal notions of contempt of court do not exist to protect judges or their personal reputations. These laws exist to protect the independence of the judiciary in making decisions that bind governments and citizens alike. These laws further exist to protect public confidence in the judiciary.
    
    Unlike Stephieboy, I’ve watched the full 90-minute video and considered the exchange between the lawyers and the judges. The judges were clearly irritated about published statements like “hard-left activist judges”, “ideological experiments” and “judges being divorced from reality”. But a lot of time was taken up by the distinction between retraction and an apology – and, as the media publisher’s lawyer pointed out, they can’t retract a message that they never endorsed in the first place. In my view, it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the comments (by themselves) would undermine public confidence in the judiciary, but the ministers (properly advised) should have expressed themselves in less colourful terms.
    
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    June 18, 2017 10:18pm
    - Reid
      
      Yes I agree sub judice cases should be off limits to political critique but as I say, I don’t think the current regime satisfies latent demand as I see it developing in this new information age and these rules need adjustment.
      
      What especially irks personally is incompetence and corruption disguised. As it currently is. That’s not acceptable and every other profession gets dragged over PUBLIC coals when members get out of line in those areas so it seems extraordinarily precious to exclude the judiciary from becoming subject to it, as and when its warranted.
      
      Currently you can’t trust the media or politicians or the police to do their jobs in this area and one example in addition to the two judges I gave the other day, are those two individuals in Banks case, who lied to the court. Those two should have lost their practicing certificates and been publicly excoriated and if they worked in any other profession other than the one they are in, they would have been.
      
      But one remains at his post and the other was allowed to quietly resign no doubt with full pension.
      
      Not acceptable.
      
      And people like those, as well as judges for instance in the Family Court but really in any court, who are proven incompetents as evidenced by their rulings and actions, should be allowed to be publicly critiqued by anyone without fear of litigation and with the usual laws of defamation applying to protect them, but with only those laws and no other conventions being applicable, just like the rest of us get.
      
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      June 18, 2017 10:33pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Reid:
        
        Interesting comments.
        
        Let’s start with a basic question. Do you think that a judge, once appointed, should have security of tenure until a mandatory retirement age – unless a specified removal ground occurs earlier? When we use language like incompetent, the question of whether a judge is doing a good job or not becomes subjective.
        
        Look at this article for example:
        
        The state’s highest court has rebuked a Sydney judge for reading aloud an epic 17-hour judgment over four days, costing taxpayers and the parties thousands of dollars in court and legal fees.
        …
        Judge Neilson was referred to the Judicial Commission in 2014 after he said that, like homosexuality, the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings, as well as between adults and children, as “unnatural” or “taboo”. The commission found in 2015 that it was no longer appropriate for Judge Neilson to hear cases involving sex crimes.
        
        So 2 issues there. First, the decision to read out a judgement, wasting court and community resources. Second, expressing a non-PC view, and being removed from hearing sex crime cases as a result. But he’s still there as a judge, presumably.
        
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        June 18, 2017 10:45pm
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        BTW I doubt the video had any cartoons in it and no hand-puppets popping up to explain what was going on, so it’s really no wonder stephie didn’t watch it, it’s probably quite a good thing. Imagine if he got the wrong end of yet another stick. Imagine how much more annoying that would be for the poor bastards stuck on GD, day after very long day…
        
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        June 18, 2017 10:46pm
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        Do you think that a judge, once appointed, should have security of tenure until a mandatory retirement age
        
        I haven’t thought deeply about the specifics but my immediate off the cuff response is: I quite like the US approach of electing judges but I don’t like the fact this means they are beholden to seek funding for re-election. So if we could do the former without the latter issue I’d be in favour of that.
        
        I see no basic reason why judges are so exceedingly wise they deserve a life at the teat just like university professors and I also see the current appointment system as extremely nepotistic. I think the problems arising from those two elements of the current system generates degradation through complacency through the former and generates appointments based on whose the best sychophant rather than whose the best period through the latter.
        
        I’m not convinced elections are necessarily the best way to defeat those twin evils provided as I say we dealt with the funding issue, but they are one way.
        
        In terms of the judge in your example being disqualified from hearing sex cases on those grounds my instinct says the commission was the one in error, not the judge.
        
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