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https://www.ecowatch.com/apple-green-bond-paris-agreement-2441569668.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=9a58389833-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-9a58389833-86111021

Apple Inc. issued a $1 billion “green bond” on Tuesday, the first U.S. corporation to make such an offer in response to President Donald Trump’s withdrawal of the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement.

Proceeds from bond sales will finance renewable energy projects and other environmental initiatives at Apple facilities and in its supply chain.

The tech giant has worked hard to shrink its global carbon footprint in recent years. Apple announced two months ago that 96 percent of the electricity used at its global facilities came from renewable energy. The company is working towards 100 percent renewable goal.

Last year, the iPhone maker issued a record $1.5 billion in green bonds after the signing of the landmark accord. The aim of the second bond is to show that companies are still committed to the 2015 global agreement.

“Leadership from the business community is essential to address the threat of climate change and protect our shared planet,” Lisa Jackson, Apple’s vice president of environment, policy and social initiatives, said in a statement.
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June 17, 2017 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I’m onto it!
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Left wing activism. Nothing to do with climate change.
    
    “A climate change declaration calling on the Government to cease oil exploration, reinstate insulation subsidies for draughty homes and consider climate change when making political decisions would be launched tomorrow.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/doctors-see-climate-change-ills
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:27am
    - KevOB
      
      There is already far too much attention paid by thhe NZ government to “climate change”. The ETS is an economic abomination: money for banksters.
      
      Look what happened to S. Aus. when they forgot they were dealing with weather.
      
      When honest science is presented I will review it.
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:06am
      - pdm
        
        Kev -honest science will tell us that so called climate change is only NATURE doing what it has always done!!!
        
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        June 17, 2017 9:23am
      - KevOB
        
        There is already a lot honest science hidden among the junk. Science is not about consensus although common views may emerge. I enjoy serious scientists presenting their results for scrutiny. In the climate area there are several well founded competing threads: most are favouring the sun as the primary actor and some are are pointing to cooling about to hit us. The climate change promoters usually show as parrots of worn phrases with little originality.
        I have a strong belief that justice requires a level of proof commensurate with the alleged consequences. The greater the expenditure; the greater the proof needed.
        
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        June 17, 2017 1:37pm
    - artemisia
      
      What an astonishing story – does ‘University of Otago Department of Preventive and Social Medicine senior lecturer Alex Macmillan’ realise that she comes across as a desperate leftie, trying to blame everything on climate change and dairying?
      
      Does she really think that reducing dairying will encourage parents to feed their children more veges? Yeah right – shops are already fully stocked with veges. But maybe she thinks that if NZ (sorry Aotearoa) produces more veges they will be cheaper. The university should require her to attend Economics 101.
      
      ”Moving to low carbon transport, making houses warmer and moving away from producing milk powder to producing more vegetables and fresh produce are all things which can reduce cancer, diabetes and childhood asthma.”
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:22am
  - Peter
    
    The more we see climate spam, the more we note the desperation of the fanatics.
    
    It must be torture knowing most people see through their AGW BS
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:56am
    - ross411
      
      More likely, it’s torture knowing that they can somehow read the tea-leaves and the obvious message between the combination of leaf fragments, water and scattered sunlight in their cup, somehow can’t be gotten across to other people.
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:14am
      - Peter
        
        I think the left made a few tactical errors which blew their credibility. They have never recovered.
        
        They announced the “science was settled”. Any reasonable person can see the problem with that statement (lie).
        
        “Denier” labelling. Supposed to invoke “Holocaust denier” and a form of bullying. In other words, “shut up”. This revealed their insecurity.
        
        As a result, few people listen to them anymore. Even the MSM have accepted it’s a loser and have relegated “mostly natural climate variation” to the back pages.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:28am
      - ross411
        
        As a result, few people listen to them anymore. Even the MSM have accepted it’s a loser and have relegated “mostly natural climate variation” to the back pages.
        
        For now. They’ll try and rile it up again soon, once it hits some perceived level of achievable peak outrage.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:40am
      - Peter
        
        The Atlantic put it well:
        
        “Climate change is a “stuck” issue in American politics. The polling continually points to a larger conclusion: Global warming is a highly partisan issue that most voters do not consider particularly significant to them, personally, even if they are worried about it…….Americans may change their vote because of economic fear, or defense policy, or to protect their property or social privileges. But they do not vote because the ice caps are melting. “
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:45am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Just down ticked to make sure. Thank goodness I didn’t have to read it though! The premise of Global Warming is increasing CO2 causes warming. There is a huge debate by scientists on this single issue. If the premise is wrong, the warmists are stuffed. If the premise is right, the skeptics have a problem. It is critical that scientists stop calling one another names and get to the bottom of this. Soon.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:38am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    There is not a huge debate among scientists on this issue. Rather there is climate change “skeptics/deniers” trying to pretend there is such a debate.
    It might be a “stuck” issue in the US, but pretty much nowhere else. In NZ probably less than 10% of the population seriously question the scientific consensus. Probably all of them commenting on this site and on WO.
    
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    June 17, 2017 12:06pm
    - Brigitte
      
      There seems a lot of people being deniers simply because the Greens (in particular) support it. The Greens don’t help themselves by only saying what must stop rather than giving us a pathway to the better future (this seems to be a common fault of the left for some reason).
      
      The problem is that whilst we can change our opinions, facts have this annoying habit of being stubborn. And when the public realise the problem they will jump to the only party (or parties) who were yelling. And to be blunt, the last thing I want to be doing is eating cold lentil soup in a damp cave. So we need to get come business oriented solutions to the problem.
      
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      June 17, 2017 12:21pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘There is not a huge debate among scientists on this issue’
      
      Really.. What does the IPCC say in AR5 WG1 about ECS?
      
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      June 17, 2017 12:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Here’s more questions for you. You think our Climate is getting worse.
      How many days since a major Hurricane made landfall in the US?
      
      How many mm does the sea level rise in Auckland every year?
      
      Explain how the number 97% of all Scientist say etc was arrived at. Include sample sizes and the questions.
      
      Share with us how much you think the temp will increase by 2100
      Frankly Wayne, the thing is, pretty much most of KB agree we are warming. The debate is by how much. So you calling us ‘deniers’ is incorrect.
      I’d observe that most of us also know more about the issue than you do. So perhaps you should cease being a sanctimonious twat.
      
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      June 17, 2017 12:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , and you put Lord Monckton and yourself above these 52 Nobel Laureates on climate change questions and issues ,
        
        https://qz.com/444787/a-group-of-nobel-laureates-have-signed-a-declaration-calling-for-urgent-action-on-climate-change/
        
        LMAO
        
        Sad and pathetic too !
        
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        June 17, 2017 12:42pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Can I also add:
        How much sea level rise (the only potentially negative aspect of warming) is due to polar ice melt. (Answer; it is around 0.7mm/year from Greenland, the Antarctic icecap is actually gaining mass).
        
        How much have plant growth rates increased with CO2 rise? (I’ll answer that for you, it’s up about 30% since 19th century, agriculture and our ability to feed ourselves has improved markedly, a huge positive benefit of increased CO2)
        
        Why did the global temperature spike up in the Minoan, Roman, Medieval and now modern eras at regular 1100 year intervals? Answer: nobody knows. But in Modern era we are told it is all due to anthropogenic CO2 and nothing to do with natural variability.
        
        What caused the little ice age? Nobody knows, but recovery from what was the coldest extended period of global temperatures in the last 10000 years that ended in the 19th century was apparently all bad and all due to evil humans, and nothing to do with natural variability.
        
        Why did global temperatures rise by 0.3°C 1910-1940 before significant increases in CO2? Nobody knows, but humans must be to blame somehow right?
        
        Alarmist supporters are dangerous because they hold such strident opinions while being so ill-informed. They need to stop relying on a clueless media, read more and stop being so credulous.
        
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        June 17, 2017 2:04pm
    - KevOB
      
      There is not a huge debate because politically the issue was settled by entanglement with the IPCC. Politicos signed of on Executive Summaries and the backup papers (over a 100o pages) followed along much later. A substantial mismatch between the two is apparent; some even denying over the years that any prediction was possible.
      
      The IPPC predictions are mathematical nonsense proven by their plotted data. The results limp along at the bottom of the IPPCC charts outside the error bands. Way to Go.
      
      The CO2 meme was busted from the start: a 19th century scientist had some misunderstandings. Also when we had 20 years of static global temperatures with CO2 changing that linkage was kaput.
      
      The politicians are lagging the public now.
      
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      June 17, 2017 1:56pm
    - Viking2
      
      In which world do you circulate Mr Mapp?
      
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      June 17, 2017 6:28pm
virtualmark

Statement overnight from President Donald J. Trump:

I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

Statement overnight from ex-President George H. W. Bush:

Barbara and I mourn the loss of a true friend of freedom, and the man I consider one of the greatest leaders in post-War Europe. Helmut Kohl came of age as an uncertain Germany rose from the ashes of war. Like so many who bore witness to the unspeakable depravity and hardships of that time, Helmut hated war – but he detested totalitarianism even more. And so he would devote his public life to strengthening the institutions of democracy in his homeland, and beyond. Working closely with my very good friend to help achieve a peaceful end to the Cold War and the unification of Germany through NATO will remain one of the great joys of my life. Throughout our endeavours Helmut was a rock – both steady and strong. We mourn his loss today, even as we know his remarkable life will inspire future generations of leaders to dare and achieve greatly. May Almighty God bless Helmut Kohl and the freedom he helped to ensure.

Can I please ask for a moments silence in regard for what we have lost.

And for Helmut Kohl …

#Presidential
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June 17, 2017 8:01am
- freethinker
  
  Bush forgets about Kohl’s corruption and fall from grace as a result.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:21am
  - Viking2
    
    and the reason Nato is causing so much trouble now. Its just another version of Germany wanting to rule the continent it’s way.
    That’s why the ruskies are so determined to push back. Germany endeavoring to get at Russia once more.
    
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    June 17, 2017 6:31pm
All_on_Red

Poll from Rasmussen, the most accurate Polling company of 2016
‘The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance’
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June 17, 2017 8:05am
- stephieboy
  
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  All on Red and other disciples of Donald ,
  
  Glad tidings from TM this beautiful crispy clear auckland morn.
  
  “Well no sh$t Sherlock ! Realisation has Coldly Dawned.”
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/333219/donald-trump-i-am -being-investigated
  
  Maybe soon “I am not a crook”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M
  
  LOL
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:33am
  - KevOB
    
    Who can delight in a duly elected President, a major leader in the Western world, being corralled by a potential coup and civil war from those without rights.
    
    There are serious implications for us here economic, political and military.
    
    To seek the destruction of order is not a game.
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:13am
    - freethinker
      
      Just an example of the absolute hatred of democracy by the left, unless of course it suits their purpose.
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:23am
      - KevOB
        
        Only an ultimate loss of freedom can result which all will regret.
        
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        June 17, 2017 1:59pm
- Happychappy
  
  I hope it is not like the UMR Poll that Labour are trying to peddle to their membership attached to their News Letter disputing the Three News Reid Poll, Little and Kirton just don’t think the Poll is Rogue they think it is bullshit.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:04am
  - Nermal
    
    You mean the poll with National at 40% and Labour ar 31%?
    That poll was an internal poll taken by Labour of its current membership.
    
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    June 17, 2017 4:16pm
- KevOB
  
  Significantly the Presidents ratings are quietly improving.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:08am
Huevon

“With flaming red hair, eye shadow up to his eyebrows and sass to rival RuPaul’s, eight-year-old Lactatia has become a celebrity among the LGBT community and beyond.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11877331

CLEANSING FIRE NOW!!!
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June 17, 2017 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Fear not, Sharia will soon put and end to this decadence.
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Phew! Thank goodness for sharia law being the solution!
    
    I thought we had a problem there for a minute, aside from the silly name syndrome, which as far as I am aware, sharia does not dictate that flying lessons are required for having a name other than muhammed
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:48am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I read that as well, quite unbelievable.
  
  I’ll lay odds that Lactatia will be dead before he she it is 20
  
  ‘No pressure honey’
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:42am
  - dime
    
    Almost half of all trannies top themselves
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:01am
    - mara
      
      That little boy’s parents should be convicted of child abuse.
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:06am
      - ross411
        
        Instead, that kid will probably make it to University, decide it’s gender fluid, and invent 24 new gender pronouns and then campaign to have them put into law that if you can’t tell someone is one of those gender pronouns and use the wrong one, you get fined hundreds of thousands of dollars.
        
        This praised nutcake dividend is already paying out, in New York.
        
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        June 17, 2017 9:19am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        8 yr old shouldn’t be so aware of sexuality. Idiot parents.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:40am
- Dave Mann
  
  This is beyond disgusting. It amounts to promoting sexual perversion, mental illness and paedophilia, all in one article. It’s revolting and it demonstrates the degraded state of our culture that one of our mainstream NZ news outlets would even consider publishing filth like this – let alone that people would read it without a murmur.
  
  The NZH should be ashamed… but its obviously not, sad to say.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:42am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Just be grateful the Herald saved us from learning which toilet he feels “safe” in.
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:48am
- Longknives
  
  There is a kid like that in Auckland who is being pumped full of drugs to ‘Transition’ (I remember reading it in Herald but can’t find link)
  From memory kid was 7 or 8 years old- And by utterly pure coincidence his/her parents are big activists in the Gay Community! ( Who would have believed ?)
  
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  June 17, 2017 1:25pm
  - KevOB
    
    Gay activist communities may well be a euphemism for pedophile groups. I was introduced to one aged about 11 when I was being preyed on. I doubt if the practices have changed much. Early puberty is a time for recruiting. having gone on to father 8 children I did not sign up.
    
    A real test of a gender fluid child in the family is when underwear stolen from the clothesline is later discovered in its bedroom.
    
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    June 17, 2017 2:20pm
    - Huevon
      
      Good Lord….
      
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      June 17, 2017 2:39pm
Manolo

New policy tack on communist Cuba?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/16/cuba-deal-rollback-trump-says-s-nixing-obama-s-one-sided-pact.html
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June 17, 2017 8:09am
- Gabby
  
  He wants a hotel in Havana.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:45am
infused

More vs from UNICEF about child poverty
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June 17, 2017 8:10am
B.L.Zeebub

Exclusive interview with Little Angry, be amazed,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W-RTrX5cS0
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June 17, 2017 8:10am
All_on_Red

Other Statements from President Trump
‘Headed to Miami to announce new U.S. policy on Cuba. We are going to empower the Cuban people and hold the regime accountable!’
‘.@POTUS: “I want to take a moment to send our thoughts, love, and prayers to Congressman Steve Scalise and his entire family.”
‘.@SecretaryAcosta ‘President Trump knows: Apprenticeships will boost wages and fill jobs’ desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion
The passage of the @DeptVetAffairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act is GREAT news for veterans! I look forward to signing it!
.@POTUS Trump & @IvankaTrump roundtable after touring Waukesha Cty Technical College- training American workers for the jobs of the future??
We will NEVER FORGET the victims who lost their lives one year ago today in the horrific #PulseNightClub shooting. #OrlandoUnitedDay
A great honor to host and welcome leaders from around America to the @WhiteHouse Infrastructure Summit. #InfrastructureWeek

Doing the work and getting things done
#Presidential
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June 17, 2017 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
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  RT OF THE DEAL?
  Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, Workers Say Trump ‘Misled’ Them
  
  The president promised to save 1,100 Indiana jobs, but the company never agreed and now six months later, they’re beginning layoffs.
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/carrier-sends-jobs-to-mexico-workers-say-trump-misled-them
  
  All on Red = the Art of the lie ?
  
  ART OF THE DEAL?
  
  Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, Workers Say Trump ‘Misled’ Them
  
  The president promised to save 1,100 Indiana jobs, but the company never agreed and now six months later, they’re beginning layoffs.
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/carrier-sends-jobs-to-mexico-workers-say-trump-misled-them
  
  LOL !
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:40am
  - Inandout
    
    Have any gay thoughts today stephie?
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:50am
    - VicParking
      
      Had any thoughts at all today, bet you can’t wait till dinner time.
      
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      June 17, 2017 12:47pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “but the company never agreed”
    Oh yeah?
    You’re the liar Stephie
    ‘Carrier Statement Regarding Indianapolis Operations
    INDIANAPOLIS – Nov. 30, 2016
    Carrier today released the following statement:
    Carrier has had very productive conversations in recent days with President-elect Trump and Vice President-elect Pence.
    We have negotiated an agreement with the incoming administration that we believe benefits our workers, the state of Indiana and our company.
    We are announcing today that Carrier will continue to manufacture gas furnaces in Indianapolis, in addition to retaining engineering and headquarters staff, preserving more than 1,000 jobs.
    Carrier will also designate its Indianapolis manufacturing facility as a Center of Excellence for gas furnace production, with a commitment to making significant investments to continue to maintain a world-class furnace factory.’
    
    Some jobs were always going to be lost and that is occurring now. You truly are Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator!
    LOL
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:27am
  - Nermal
    
    The Daily Beast political bias
    
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    June 17, 2017 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A Compilation of Recent published, peer-reviewed graphs illustrating temperature changes over time.

http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.qbQsHrZT.dpbs
Clearly “global warming” is not global and is not unprecedented.
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June 17, 2017 8:19am
- Kimbo
  
  Quick questions from one not wanting to get embroiled in the debate, but nonetheless observing that scientific expertise does not automatically grant the metaphysical expertise to comprehend and interact with abstract reason, nor sift for and conceptualise potential but as yet unknown cause and affect factors for future verification (even though you seen to have those skills in spades on many matters, Maggy):
  
  Even if current climate change is neither uniformly global, nor unprecedented, nonetheless if it is occurring now, how does that preclude that is not due in significant part to human activity?
  
  Or are you implying that the current change, even if human-induced, is maybe too insignificant/within a tolerable range, such that it is not a problem, at least of the “apocalyptic” proportions requiring drastic, radical and immediate changes to global industrial processes that some have suggested?
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jeeeezus Kimbo,
    could you just ask a simple question in simple language?
    
    Take from the graphs what you will.
    All I’ve tried to do here is to show that the science is far from settled.
    There is active research going on throughout the world that presents a much more complex view of our planet’s climate than the Anthropogenic Global-Warming (AGW) hypothesis does.
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:55am
    - Kimbo
      
      He he he. The day I see a “simple” peer reviewed” scientific paper that you or anyone else posts, I’ll take on board that advice and leave the metaphysical issues (which many of the logical positivists who make up much of the scientific community take for granted and leave assumed and unexamined) in the background.
      
      There is active research going on throughout the world that presents a much more complex view of our planet’s climate than the Anthropogenic Global-Warming (AGW) hypothesis does.
      
      OK, so what you are saying in respect of my two questions is…”too early to tell”?
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        Question 1: imho – I don’t know
        
        Therefore Question 2 – can’t be answered.
        
        After 40 years of IPCC -backed research and $$$Countless billions – we are no further ahead of being able to attribute with any degree of precision that a change in a climate regime is due to man-made greenhouse gas emissions than we were back in the late 1970s.
        
        But in that 40 years countless $$$$$ and research-time have been diverted away from a suite of other factors that influence the Planet’s climate.
        
        Read some Clive James on Climate-Change scepticism….. he gets into a bit of Popper-thought.
        http://www.ipe.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/clive-james_040617.pdf
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:18am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        It depends on the role of CO2. And that is where the issue is. The premise of Global Warming is increasing CO2 causes warming. There is a huge debate by scientists on this single issue. If the premise is wrong, the warmists are stuffed. If the premise is right, the skeptics have a problem. It is critical that scientists stop calling one another names and get to the bottom of this. Soon.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:44am
      - krazykiwi
        
        @Maggy, that’s a great read from Clive James. His command of our language is very engaging
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:20am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I think that CO2 driven warming through radiation physics is pretty assured, what was unknown was the magnitude of CO2 driven water feedbacks (increases in atmospheric H2O). IPCC is really founded and driven by their conjecture (hope?) that it is many times the size of the CO2 effect – ie catastrophically high, but since ARGO buoys came online in early 2000’s ocean heat accumulation data is pointing towards very low values that make CO2 rises a relative non issue – apart from agricultural benefits it brings.
        
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        June 17, 2017 2:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggy Wassilieff , inform us more about one of them ,ResearchGate , and its scientfic credentiials , ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, stephieboy
    
    inform yourself, or don’t… your choice.
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:56am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Maggy Wassilieff , the onus is surely in you present at least some of the scientific credentials of the so called peer review papers that you arrogantly boasted about .
      
      Another try : the scientific credentials of Resarchgate ?
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No stephieboy,
        
        there is no onus on me to do any damn thing.
        No-one is forcing you to read any one of my “arrogant” posts.
        No-one is forcing you to look at a scientific paper or investigate its background.
        You can choose to inform yourself, or not.
        
        However,
        If you wish to inform yourself of the grand skulduggery that lurks in the murky world of science publishing, you might like to:
        1. investigate who owns Nature
        2. investigate the relationship between Elsevier and Armament companies
        3. consider why 11 million researchers sign up to Researchgate
        4. then consider why many researchers favour OP
        5. and check this out:
        http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2017/02/01/who-isnt-profiting-off-the-backs-of-researchers/#.WURGiyN941A
        
        I reckon that will take up the best part of your morning.
        
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        June 17, 2017 9:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s quite the Stalker isn’t he. It’s really creepy. It’s like he’s trying to bully you.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @All-on-red
        
        yes, the behaviour is decidly creepy.
        
        Why only yesterday Stephieboy was asking how long I had been suffering from convulsions; the day before he was implying my scientific background is a big pretence; and now he wants me to inform him about a social media site for scientists
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/technology/science-research-researchgate-gates-goldman.html
        
        Thank goodness Kiwiblog comments carry a date and time for each posting.
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:06am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He accused someone the other day of using ky for when they go ‘cottaging’ which I thought was pretty vile.
        It’s next Strike is a month off. We probably should complain more about him.
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red and Maggy W,
        
        the stress and presure taking it’s toll ?
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:23am
      - All_on_Red
        
        More like contemplation of what a sad little Human Being you must be to behave the way you do…
        The idea that you obviously get your kicks out of it is quite creepy.
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        the stress and presure taking it’s toll ?
        
        so, is that your aim… to cause an old lady to have a breakdown? Is that why you have been a party to the personal attacks on me?
        
        Actually, I’m under no stress or pressure.. but I don’t know about some of the companies and agencies that may have $$$$$$ contracts depending upon my “pretence to science judgement”.
        
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        June 17, 2017 12:04pm
- KevOB
  
  Thanks, but who is going to believe it? Michael Mann has Spoken.
  (Did you hear that there are even real scientists reporting that there may be few hundred-years cold snap in the offing soon as the sun’s once again gone quiffy?)
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:21am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Doom and Gloom, not all bad news apparently.
  http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer
  I`m planting Papaya, Bananas and Pineapples as we speak, in anticipation.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:59am
- Nermal
  
  But Maggy, these graphs haven’t been adjusted so us ordinary people without Liberal Studies degrees can understand them.
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tell you what Nermal,
    
    Add them all together to get a new Global average T graph.
    Then compare this New Graph to the latest Computer-model graphs (after having averaged all of them)
    
    Look for places where the 2 sets of averaged graphs overlap/coincide/differ… then state the obvious conclusion:
    
    Further studies are required, send money quick.
    
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    June 17, 2017 6:41pm
- jonar
  
  Maggy – you keep posting articles from notrickszone with lists of “published, peer-reviewed” papers but this was the discussion part for the second article in the list.
  
  http://www.clim-past-discuss.net/cp-2017-39/
  
  This discussion paper has been under review for the journal Climate of the Past (CP). The manuscript was not accepted for further review after discussion.
  
  I assume that means it wasn’t published.
  
  The third one is still in review, i.e. not published.
  
  Maybe you should be fact checking some of the stuff you’re linking to.
  
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  June 17, 2017 7:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s the beauty of the online discussion papers… you can see the referees’ comments and the authors’ responses.
    You can judge yourself if the science is at fault, or whether there is some other reason why publication hasn’t proceeded (too long, poorly written, wrong audience…)
    
    Just because a paper has been published in a journal doesn’t mean that it is beyond criticism.
    
    Even disregarding the couple of papers you highlight, my link contains over 110 published papers with 130+ graphs that present a very different picture of global warming than that presented to us by the IPCC.
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:29pm
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      my link contains over 110 published papers with 130+ graphs
      
      How do you know they’re published? In just the few I checked some weren’t. If you’re going to claim they’re published you should be sure they are.
      
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      June 18, 2017 9:42am
Happychappy

What have Whale oil and Labour got that is so similar, they both use the begging bowl and same message “we need your donation to make a difference in the up coming Election”. And they both are having trouble retaining their membership.
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June 17, 2017 8:34am
- KevOB
  
  Puketafinau.
  WO is unspeakably rude and intolerant even truth is toxic to him. A lot of Labour supporters are like that too. I recall a National Party election meeting in a Onehunga street in 1975 when little old Labour ladies climbed on the back of the National supporters and tried to beat them with umbrellas. Fight is in the blood of some.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:35am
- CHFR
  
  I used to be an avid reader of WO but it is the same old every day and to be honest I just got sick of it. He seems to have a real axe to grind over the National Party at the moment and while I have no great love for them either I sure as heck don’t want to see the other side in power.
  He made fun of Never Trump in the US elections but is running the risk of doing the same to himself and yes the begging bowl irks me as well as the constant begging to whitelist the site.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:48am
Manolo

DPF rejoices 🙂
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jun16

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

This is the first time the president’s overall approval rating has hit the 50% mark since late April. His approval rating has ranged from a high of 59% in late January shortly after he took office to a low of 42% in early April.
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June 17, 2017 8:38am
- ross411
  
  Lol. No chance.
  
  He will reach up and twirl the propeller on top of his hat, and then start writing a blog reposting some fake news about Trump illustrated with comments about how Trump’s a despot, out of control, unpresidential and some vague asides about how nothing has been proven yet. Pretty much like he posted yesterday.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:22am
  - KevOB
    
    At least DPF is thankfully tolerant. We could do with more like that.
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:37am
  - virtualmark
    
    ross411,
    
    Um, this is DPF’s blog. Absolutely fine if you don’t like his views, but if that’s the case the polite option would be to go find somewhere else that better suits you … versus the rude option of disparaging your host.
    
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    June 17, 2017 2:33pm
kowtow

Far left ,diversity types making the most of a tragedy.

“The organiser of the Grenfell Tower demonstration, which saw protesters storm Kensington Town Hall, was once arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences, the Telegraph can reveal.

Businessman Mustafa al-Mansur, 39, launched a Facebook campaign urging people affected by the tragedy, to gather at council offices on Friday afternoon, after discovering that a family friend had died in the tragedy.”

And our media are following the piper.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/
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June 17, 2017 8:41am
- Paulus
  
  I have heard from London that there is no way that they will ever know how many people were living in the Tower. As Council flats many many extended large “families” lived there, although of course, against the tenancy agreement.
  It is believed that a large number who were lucky to have escaped have gone elsewhere as they do not want to come to the attention of any authorities.
  There was some panic in the only stairwell as people charged out with suitcases, large bags and packs.
  That is why there can never be a full count of anything but those who did not make it out.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:18am
- EAD_TWO
  
  What’s very odd is that in all the ‘blame-gaming’, I’ve yet to see any reference to the one in whose flat the fire originated.
  
  If his neighbour’s report is to be believed, that individual packed his belongings whilst the fire was still containable, alerted his immediate neighbour and then fled.
  
  I imagine that the assumption is that as he used to inhabit a mud hut, he wouldn’t know any better and therefore cannot be held responsible!
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:25am
Manolo

Multiculti rubbish. Just lower your head, right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611618/Migrants-shown-cultural-sensitivity-says-study.html

A taxpayer funded study has made the audacious claim that Australians need to show ‘cultural sensitivity’ towards migrant men who physically abuse their wife and children.

The study conducted over a three year period was funded by the Australian Research Council and points out that some human rights affect migrants’ integration and ‘successful settlement in Australia’, specifically those in relation to women and children.
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June 17, 2017 8:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  From Kim Hill RNZ this morning,
  
  8:12 Vanessa Redgrave – Sea Sorrow
  
  Vanessa Redgrave Photo: zh.wikipedia.org
  
  “British stage and screen legend Vanessa Redgrave is in Sydney with her son Carlo Nero to attend the opening of their new documentary Sea Sorrow at the Sydney Film Festival. Redgrave decided to make her directorial debut on the film, which her son has produced, after seeing footage of the body of Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi washed up on a Turkish beach in 2015. Sea Sorrow focuses on efforts in the British parliament to allow more refugee children into the UK. Redgrave has been an actor since 1958, when she first appeared on London’s West End, and has appeared in dozens of plays and films during her acclaimed career, winning the Oscar, Emmy, Tony, BAFTA, Olivier, Cannes, Golden Globe, and the Screen Actors Guild awards. ..”
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
  
  Followed by,
  
  9:05 Allan Lichtman – Impeaching Trump
  
  Photo: Supplied
  Allan Lichtman is Distinguished Professor of History at American University in Washington, DC. He is the author of nine books and hundreds of scholarly and popular articles and has served as an expert witness in more than 80 voting and civil rights cases. His book, The Keys to the White House presents a historically based prediction system that has correctly forecast the outcome of the popular vote for president in all eight elections since 1984. He also wrote White Protestant Nation: The Rise of the American Conservative Movement, which was a finalist for the 2008 National Book Critics Circle award in non-fiction. Lichtman’s latest book is The Case for Impeachment, which lays out the reasons he believes Congress could remove Trump from the Oval Office.
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:51am
  - KevOB
    
    Trust me I’m from the BBC:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-of-fakery-in-bbc-saving-syrias-children-is-now-undeniable/5594917
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wonder what conviction this chap will get for kidnapping, raping & Sharia-marrying his teenage victim?
  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/girl-abducted-from-sydney-home-was-raped-and-forced-into-islamic-wedding/news-story/fbaf42743c17a0da48d55b8b7510022c
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Got a spare bus ticket !
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:20am
    - Nermal
      
      Do repeat offenders get concession cards?
      
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      June 17, 2017 4:38pm
  - stephieboy
    
    KevOB , Global ” Reseach and Chem trails,
    
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137
    
    Can you inofrm whether the POTUS and the Kremlin ( in partnership with GR ) are Chem Trail true believers ?
    
    LOL !
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:56am
    - KevOB
      
      I don’t care.
      Globalresearch publishes a very wide range of articles. It so wide it’s basically apolitical; they all have their biases but they collectively give hidden viewpoints and facts. Let each reader beware. I am sure there are articles there supportive of your views too.
      
      This is not the first one revealing the production of “news”. The gas attacks have to be very highly suspect too.
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        KevOB , gass attacks ? Anothet” Obummer “conspiracy ?
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:21am
      - KevOB
        
        When you have visuals of the set up with background, doctors without masks and other basic precautions and the media are screaming sarin doubt enters. The children were reported as being kidnapped for the photo shoot too.
        
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        June 17, 2017 3:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy W , are you suggesting that the rule of law does not appply to everyone and that Muslims are guaranteed a soft sentence ride ?
    
    Are you suggesting with your focussed Muslim bashing that these kind of crimes are not committed by other Australians or New Zealnders for that matter ?
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:01am
    - simpleton1
      
      This study is not muslim bashing
      Some are making the point that the rule of law should be more flexible as muslims find it so difficult to intergrate.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611618/Migrants-shown-cultural-sensitivity-says-study.html
      Study reveals Australians should show sensitivity to migrant domestic violence
      Report highlights refugees’ differing views on women’s and children’s rights
      Yet with regards to violence, several ministers have offered no sympathy
      Study’s relevance heightened due to government’s push for ‘Australian values’…….
      
      points out that some human rights affect migrants’ integration and ‘successful settlement in Australia’, specifically those in relation to women and children.
      The study refers to some refugees claiming that these rights ‘contravene the cultural values, norms and mores’ of their ethnic groups,………..
      
      ………..The study has however called for ‘cultural sensitivity and understanding of the impact on male refugees’ who suffer a sense of separation and an overwhelming feeling of disappointment when their views are repulsed by society….
      
      ……. a ‘major point of contention’ was the differing views on women’s and children’s rights.
      What was most upsetting for many refugees was the strong stance Australians had when it came to domestic violence. …….
      
      It is being shown that rule of law is very unfair, and some adaption and allowances perhaps should be made as the majority culture is imposing their views of civilization on a poor misunderstood minority of which makes up 1.5 billion in the world.
      
      One can not have Australia declaring war, by rule of law on muslims 😉
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy,
      
      Do you understand how nested comments on this blog work?
      
      You don’t seem to be aware that an indented post relates to one above …
      Please note that the posting that lead off this thread
      relates to the need to show “cultural sensitivity” to migrant men who abuse women in Australia.
      
      Get it?
      Check back at my post…. I asked a question; I didn’t make any suggestion, whatsoever.
      
      Make of this what you will. I cannot do your thinking for you.
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:35am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Stephie doesn’t think. First thing out his arse and he types it up. Ignoring him is the best tactic. I never respond to him or W of O other than to downtick no matter what they say about a post of mine. I don’t debate with idiots.
        
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        June 17, 2017 4:43pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t you mean “wives”?
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:21am
- GoVege
  
  Who are these morons and how do they get tax-payer funding?
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:32am
Odakyu-sen

Manolo,

It’s always someone else’s fault…
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June 17, 2017 8:47am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And someone else must pay . . . . sigh
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:52am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The cry of “someone else is to blame for our misfortune and must be made to give us free stuff” is pretty appealing to people of low cognitive ability who lack critical reasoning skills.
    
    Remember, half of all people are of below-average intelligence.
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:09am
    - KevOB
      
      Do you mean dumb?
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:44am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Dumb” is a relative term, KevOB.
        
        “Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.” – Frank Zappa
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:38am
    - GoVege
      
      Brainwashing with medieval religions has been known to reduce intelligence even further.
      
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      June 17, 2017 11:55am
SJ Actual

Post script added to Audrey Young article in the herald. Labour have released their internal polling (again).
Interesting how different it is to public polls.
Also interesting to see if Labour keep sharing their poll data when public polls don’t look good for them.
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June 17, 2017 8:49am
- cmm
  
  Polling means nothing unless the methodology is also made public.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:23am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    They don’t want you to know that the poll was taken in a smoke-filled union hall…
    
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    June 17, 2017 12:32pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      In the last telephone box in Wellington.
      
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      June 17, 2017 1:26pm
    - Nermal
      
      In Labour Party Headquarters
      
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      June 17, 2017 4:41pm
- ross411
  
  Martyn Martin Bradbury compiles the polls on the Mac that Krim Dotcon bought him. Didn’t you know?
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:26am
- GoVege
  
  I wish Labour would spell out exactly why anyone should vote for them.
  Otherwise (gulp) I am considering voting for the Nats (who have pinched all Labour’s ideas anyway) for the first time ever.
  Maybe they could govern alone and ditch that racist party of scroungers they are currently hitched to.
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:00pm
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Suzie Dawson is the new ‘Leader’ of the Internet Party.

In my considered opinion, Suzette Maree Dawson is a fraud.

What on earth did ‘Suzie Dawson’ EVER do as an ‘activist’ in New Zealand – that caused her to flee to Russia?

What is Suzie Dawson’s proven track record as an ‘activist’ in New Zealand?

How long has Suzie Dawson been an ‘activist’ and what has she ever done?

Here’s why I hold this VERY strong opinion about Suzette Maree Dawson:

http://www.indymedia.org.nz/articles/715

“….Please be advised, that as an Appellant in my own name, at no time did I express an opinion as a ‘Spokesperson’ for Occupy Auckland.

A copy of the Appeal decision of High Court Justice Ellis is available on

http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

a website for which I take full personal responsibility for content.

Also on this above-mentioned website are copies of my key legal submissions, as an Appellant in my own name, so people can read them for themselves.

The main reason I organised the setting up of this website, was to counter the defamatory lies about myself being spread by Suzette Maree Dawson, which she has published on her own private websitehttp://occupysavvy.com

Suzette Maree Dawson published on her above-mentioned private website a statement by Ben Cooney (‘Redstar’) during his livestream video coverage of the protest against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) protest on 8 December 2012:

“There’s Penny Bright – SIS informant”.

The FACTS are, that I was one of 12 people responsible for organising Auckland anti-Springbok Tour protests in 1981, I was named in Muldoon’s SIS list as a ‘subversive’, and have never been able to get a copy of my SIS file.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0711/S00086.htm

If people think I’m going to put up with these sorts of filthy defamatory lies, when I have had a proven track record going back over 40 years as an activist – think again.

I strongly recommend that those involved in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, exercise commonsense and due diligence?

If people come from nowhere, with no proven track record in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, and make a beeline for controlling the message, or means of getting the message out – act in ways which cause dissension or conflict within the group, spread misinformation / disinformation about people, without facts and evidence to back it up – BEWARE!!!

Being involved in ‘media’ gives such people the ability to mix and mingle and take photos from inside the ranks of the ‘protest’ movement.

Where exactly are those photos going?

BEWARE of those who act like the 1%, without openness, transparency or democratic accountability.

Why is it that as a (successful) Appellant in the Occupy Auckland Appeal, I cannot post this information up on the Occupy Auckland facebook page?

WHO are ‘Admin’ currently responsible for the Occupy Auckland facebook page, and why am I being blocked?

…..”

Penny Bright
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- Paulus Gnome
  
  Suzette Marie Dawson probably paid her rates unlike any unemployed unemployable welder from Kingsland
  
  So who is the fraud here?
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:54am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Hahahaha
  
  Jealous rage suits you Penny
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:05am
- stigie
  
  “and why am I being blocked?”
  
  Go and take a good hard look in the mirror Penny !~
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @PWD
  Pete George is running a post on this
  https://yournz.org/2017/06/17/exile-in-russia-named-as-internet-party-leader/
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Altogether too many crazies in the world. Now they are fighting among themselves. ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:08am
- Rich Prick
  
  Gravity is a fraud to you.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  Are you saying, among the many words, that you don’t like a new comer muscling in on your ancient activist territory?
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:49am
- Swifty
  
  Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me!!!
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:19am
- thedavincimode
  
  Why, this is an outrage waterwoman. She gets the big money gig and you’re left eating her dust!!! Do you think there is a possibility that mr blobby is tryin to get political influence to avoid extradition? Where’s the transparency in all of this?
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:23am
- sam green
  
  The left don’t want her, the lesbians don’t want her, and the activists don’t want her – what’s poor penny to do?
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:33pm
  - KevOB
    
    Retire gracefully.
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      Penny…can’t you do something useful…like start a home for stray cats or dogs?
      
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      June 17, 2017 3:24pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        What you got against stray cats and dogs? Now if you suggested a home for rats and fleas….
        
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        June 17, 2017 4:47pm
  - sooty
    
    Run a nice bath. Oh wait, it wont fill up for 3 days.
    
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    June 17, 2017 4:09pm
- noskire
  
  An excellent post, as always Penny.
  If I may be so bold, and just to share a little advice, for you, the champion of deluded activism, narcissism and a perennial rates delinquent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:08pm
- Nermal
  
  This post of Penny shouldn’t have been downposted so much. I almost skipped it like I usually do. But it’s hilarious. I love it when the Activists attack each other.
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:46pm
- 4077th
  
  Does it ever seem like you are screaming into a pillow Penny? NOBODY GAF! Pay your F*CKING rates!
  
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  June 17, 2017 6:56pm
Happychappy

Talking of frauds bright penny i don’t think you do it very well either.
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June 17, 2017 8:56am
Inandout

The ‘Comrade Jacinda’ video still exists.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/06/t-minus-8-days-jacinda-option-becomes-valid/#more-317316
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June 17, 2017 8:59am
- ross411
  
  Apologies to Whale, but to anyone else who can’t read the religious spammery over there, here’s the link to nutcake Jacinda video.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:32am
  - Inandout
    
    Anyways, I am glad it still exists thanks to the internet, the place where nothing ever seems to completely disappear.
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:05am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I thought Jacinda was just a pretty face. But after that, I’m leaning towards Marxist loon. Imagine her as deputy PM?
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:25am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Rich Dick ,
      
      Now you should talk !
      
      http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/27/article-2209422-153B2215000005DC-478_468x560.jpg
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:27am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Hi moron. Have a nice day.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:34am
    - Gabby
      
      Imagine Puller, pricky. Better now?
      
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      June 17, 2017 11:48am
      - Rich Prick
        
        She’s much hotter, I’d gladly have Paula as deputy PM.
        
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        June 17, 2017 8:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      Couldn’t be as bad as PB…
      
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      June 17, 2017 8:30pm
- RF
  
  My little pony is just a thick lightweight commie well out of her depth.
  
  Soon to retire owing to poor health i.e. Stress.
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:19pm
EAD_TWO

testing
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June 17, 2017 9:04am
- BeeSting
  
  Did you Dare to Question the
  ZIO FASCISTS and ISLAMO FASCISTs
  
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  June 18, 2017 12:04pm
The Beast

King Canute thought the science was settled too!
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June 17, 2017 9:06am
lastmanstanding

Of course this would never happen in NZ!!!!!

Everyday life for a German nurse
Lack of foresight may darn well destroy Europe as we know it…What is this world coming to.
NURSE IN GERMANY SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD

Just in case you don’t think President Trump is doing the right thing! Read it!

Pass this on to everyone you know!

“Yesterday, at the hospital, we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle the number of migrant medical emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the main hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff, and we women are now refusing to go among those migrants!

Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we in Europe do not know how to treat.

If they receive a prescription to the pharmacy, they suddenly learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: So, cure them here yourselves!

So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also the large pharmacies.

We ask openly where are all those who welcomed the migrants in front of TV cameras with signs at train stations? Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. Only a small minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and very needy. If this continues and Germany re-opens its borders, I am going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even for double the salary back home. I came to Germany to work, not to Africa or the Middle East!

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who has cleaned every day for years for 800 euros and then meets crowds of young men in the hallways who just wait with their hands outstretched, wanting everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I am afraid that if I return home, at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their systems, cannot handle this, then, guaranteed, back home will be total chaos…..

You – who have not come in contact with these people have absolutely no idea what kind of badly behaved desperados these people are, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff have not come down with the diseases these people brought here, but with so many hundreds of patients every day of this is just a question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, who they’d dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died two days later, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The pediatric physician had to undergo surgery and the two nurses are recovering in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we can only inform you through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed the doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurses face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he would have gone straight to jail and later to court. With these people so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask: Where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their uncomplicated, safe lives. If it were up to me, I would round up all those greeters and bring them here first to our hospitals emergency ward as attendants! Then in to one of the buildings housing the migrants, so they can really look after them there themselves, without armed police and police dogs, who, sadly today, are in every hospital here in Bavaria.”

Is this “situation” coming to our country?
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June 17, 2017 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  That nurse needs a good dose of our very own Dame Devoid to cure her of her everyday racism!
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:39am
  - ross411
    
    Dame Devoid would show her what’s what. Would probably go to the human right’s commission about fifty infringements in that letter.
    
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    June 17, 2017 9:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Time for general strike.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:43am
- GoVege
  
  For heavens sake don’t let any more of these primitive throwbacks in.
  What western people fail to realise is that there is very little concept of gratitude among these cultures.
  Or willingness to integrate.
  “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” is a European concept.
  Muslim males in particular are extremely arrogant especially to women.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:47am
- howitis
  
  25 years of reunification and now Germany is on a path to how East Germany was.. and worse, much worse >>Congo status.
  
  The angry leader Merkel , who spent her first 40 formative years under the East German regime, is front and centre of the destruction.
  I unequivocally and unashamedly say it is time for her assassination.
  
  There are times in history that the assassination of a person could have saved the lives of thousands and even millions of people who otherwise just want to get on with life.
  
  For those who criticise then ask yourself ..would it have been better if Mao Zedong or Josef Stalin had been terminated before they created so much misery and destruction.
  We know where this is going with Merkel.
  I firmly believe that because it is politicians who start wars they should be the ones terminated first so 19 or 22 year old young men who just for the most part want to own a nice car, have a good home life, and go fishing don’t have to kill each other over misguided shit inside the head of a politician.
  They generally don’t want to die in a war where they have to kill someone they don’t even have any disdain for, apart from that stirred up by politicians and journalists.
  
  It is typically not nurses or actuaries who start wars. It is politicians. Teachers and religious people also have a high incidence of starting wars in history..
  If I went to a Queenstown backpackers today and killed 20 Germans I would be imprisoned for life. If I did this 75 years ago I would get medals from my government. All of a sudden by declaring war (or not in the case of USA since 1941) politicians decide who lives and who dies.
  If they believe they have that right they should be prepared to die first.
  I say it is a good time for Merkel to die.
  Then see which next evil destroyer of countries pops its head up. Rinse and repeat.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:49am
  - Kimbo
    
    I unequivocally and unashamedly say it is time for (Angela Merkel’s) assassination
    
    Yeah, nah. If it was the head of ISIS, yeah, ok. But for that statement and if it was my blog, I’d give you a tenth and final strike on the spot. And it wouldn’t be for the adverbs, “unequivocally” and “unashamedly”!
    
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    June 17, 2017 12:28pm
  - Kimbo
    
    And maybe even more disturbing, howitis, is that you’ve got 3 upticks for that post and counting. Kiwiblog is becoming a very strange place lately…
    
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    June 17, 2017 12:35pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Syrian refugees go to Germany and make it a worse place.
      
      WhaleOil refugees go to Kiwiblog and make it a worse place.
      
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      June 17, 2017 2:35pm
  - sam green
    
    Shades of Kathy Griffin there howitis.
    
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    June 17, 2017 12:38pm
    - Kimbo
      
      No, she was at least being clearly satirical, albeit in bad taste and with what many would consider a poor attempt at humour. I’m struggling to see how howitis’ ‘contribution’ even meets that free speech threshold, and is not, instead, genuine hate speech and/or an incitement to commit a crime of the most serious nature.
      
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      June 17, 2017 12:45pm
- KevOB
  
  Thanks.
  We may not like the message but I know that what we perceive from a distance about another country can be very far removed from the facts.
  I pity the nations of Europe who have the vast Muslim immigration (or reclamation?) to deal with.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  lastmanstanding
  
  “For now, the local hospital staff have not come down with the diseases these people brought here, but with so many hundreds of patients every day of this is just a question of time.”
  
  Source please for the above piece of crude propoganda ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Check out Germany’s TB rates in 2017….
    
    see where the increase comes from
    http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/Tuberculosis/epidemiological_data/Documents/2017/ecdc-tb-surveillance-monitoring-eur-2017-profile-germany.pdf
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Maggy W, I think you’re being caught out yet again. As a matter interest do we see similar TB epidemiological trends amongst NZ or Australian refugees ?
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:59am
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        Stalker.
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:06am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Did you look at the 3rd graph?
        It is entitled “Tuberculosis cases by geographical origin, 2006-20015.
        Did you notice the blue line shows a steep increase in no. of cases from 2012 -2014 and then a very sharp rise from late 2014 onwards.
        
        And did you notice that this blue line is the number of cases of “foreign origin”?
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:17am
      - SGA
        
        @Maggy
        
        And did you notice that this blue line is the number of cases of “foreign origin”?
        
        I imagine you’d find similar patterns in NZ’s TB incidence, perhaps now but certainly historically (I’m thinking Pacific Islands). I imagine it’s the case whenever you are getting immigrants from countries without a comprehensive TB vaccination programme. Evil though vaccination is in principle 🙂
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SGA
        
        Tx
        I think that also answers Stephieboy’s question.
        
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        June 17, 2017 12:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        SGA ,
        
        ” Evil though vaccination is in principle” ??
        
        Including the ground breaking pionnering work of Pasteur ,Jenner and Salk etc ?
        
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        June 17, 2017 12:36pm
      - SGA
        
        Yeah, stephieboy, that’s it, I’m a closet anti-vaccination nut (sigh).
        
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        June 17, 2017 1:11pm
- SGA
  
  NURSE IN GERMANY SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD
  So it’s a Nurse now – when this started doing the rounds a couple of years ago, it was a “female physician in Munich”
  Discussion here –
  http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:55am
- Gabby
  
  You’re not spreading disinformation are you lostmong?
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:45am
- Manolo
  
  It is all Mamma Merkel’s fault. The woman’s immigration policies have been and continue to be a calamity.
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:23pm
- calendar girl
  
  Can you provide a link to that story, please?
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:54pm
Nookin

Penny beat me to it. I noticed that her nemesis, Suzie,was about to become a leading light in NZ politics andd was was about to comment that campaigning in Auckland might become entertaining. Penny, as is her custom, made the whole issue all about herself. In fact, it is difficult to conceive of a more self-centred post.
I find it interesting that a critic of the political philosophy of the National Party is seeking asylum in that doyen of democratic freedom and human rights, Russia. No comment on that from Penny.

I hope Suzie stands in whatever electorate Penny aspires to represent. They should have soap-box meetings on street corners.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11877476
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June 17, 2017 9:16am
- stigie
  
  “They should have soap-box meetings on street corners.”
  
  It’s a jolly shame that most of us won’t be able to attend Nookin..?//
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:22am
- niggly
  
  Good grief! What a smorgasbord of left wing wannabe Parties to eat into Labour/Greens share of the activist vote again …. Hone’s Mana, Gareth’s TOP and now the resurrected coffin of The Internet Party pops out of the ground!
  
  Wussel now over at Greenpeace must be spewing again, “my beloved Greens … will be pipped again, sniff”!
  
  For everyone else, simply file it away in the “you couldn’t make this shit up” category!
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  pish, Penny has no use for soap given her water supply issues.
  
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  June 17, 2017 2:33pm
- Nermal
  
  OMG Russia is going to be involved in our next election too!
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:57pm
Nookin

Oh, and Penny, you were not successful by any measure of merit. The proceedings clearly disclosed that you are a judicially recognised hypocrite and lacked credulity. The injunction against you was upheld on appeal and found to be justified. If you had not been carted off screaming and bellowing the court would have amended the wording of the order and kicked you off site without further compunction.
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June 17, 2017 9:22am
Jack5

The person behind near-riot in London over the Grenfell Tower fire turns out to be a Muslim activist once arrested as a suspected terrorist.

The Telegraph reports of Mustafa Almansur, 39, who ran a Facebook campagin urging people to gather at the council offices:

It emerged last night that Mr Mansur, who used to be spokesman for the Finsbury Park Mosque, had been arrested 10 years ago by the Metropolitan Police on suspicion of terrorism offences. He was released without charge and later claimed he had been detained because his fingerprints had been found on a book about improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which belonged to a Bosnian associate.

The newspaper reports Mansur graduated in London with an electrical engineering, then he took an MSc in Islamic banking and finance at Loughborough University.
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June 17, 2017 9:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  UK universities run degrees in sharia law practices?
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:35am
  - simpleton1
    
    In Australia this lot is doing research into sharia law, so as to give it a pass.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611618/Migrants-shown-cultural-sensitivity-says-study.html hat tip to manolo
    A pass to greater multicultural understanding for men over their woman and children, as they slowly endeavour to lever thru Western laws.
    
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    June 17, 2017 11:47am
  - Gabby
    
    They take a lot of money off the Saudis you know.
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:57pm
- Gabby
  
  Guilty as not charged eh jacksy? What vile deeds have you not been charged with?
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Gabby, did you not notice this man was formerly a spokesman for the Finsbury Park Mosque?
    
    This mosque was the base for recruitment centres for an al-Qaeda cell led by Abu Hamza, the radical imam who was on a British disability pension while he exported terror.
    
    Under Hamza, the mosque recruited young Muslims for Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.
    
    Hamza was the adviser for the Yemen terrorists who kidnapped Western terrorists (four died in the raid to free them).
    
    Hamza acknowledged in court that he provided the satellite phone that the kidnappers used and that he spoke to the gang leader while tourists were being held.
    
    His London sermons included the Islamic justification for enslaving, selling and killing non-believers “like a pig, like a cow”
    
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    June 17, 2017 1:11pm
    - Gabby
      
      Crikey jacksy, you mean he wasn’t charged for stuff someone else did? What the fuck is up with that?
      
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      June 17, 2017 2:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        So, Gabby, you did notice the connection to the Finsbury Park Mosque.
        
        Gabby, as a Leftist, you are dreaming if you think there ever will be an accommodation between Muslim extremists and the Left.
        
        For a start, feminism is out for Muslim extremists. Then Islam enshrines the rights of private property.
        
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        June 17, 2017 2:48pm
      - Gabby
        
        But you don’t think you should get done for ‘hate speech’ when howtinyitis does, do you jacksie?
        
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        June 17, 2017 3:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Gabby, are you saying the Telegraph (the source of information for my initial post ) should be “done for hate speech” for reporting Mustafa Almansur’s background?
        
        You should apply for a job at State-owned Radio NZ, Gabby. In the last week there has been discussion on it about how the media should not link ISIL terrorist links with Islam.
        
        Leftists have always had a problem with free speech, Gabby.
        
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        June 17, 2017 7:16pm
Rodney Randall

https://youtu.be/7lrOkWSSsK4
REBEL MEDIA
Tear Down The Curtain On Sharia Pools In Australia.

Tear Down The Curtain Petition
https://www.therebel.media/tear_down_the_curtain
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June 17, 2017 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randell, why should we take Rebel Media seriously with this kind of crap ?
  
  https://www.therebel.media/watch_paul_joseph_watson_on_the_truth_about_the_london_terror_attack_how_did_muslims_and_the_left_respond
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:32am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Hi Stephie. Thankyou for your comment.
    
    You don’t have to take it seriously. You have the freedom of choice to reject this media outlet. I respect that.
    
    I also respect the fact that we both agree on denouncing Sharia Law in New Zealand as previously agreed on in older post.
    
    I harbour no ills towards you.
    
    Peace.
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:37am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rodney Randell , examples of Sharia Law of the ISIS Kind been implemented in NZ ?
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:43am
      - Nermal
        
        Here, I’ve done it for you, stephie
        
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        June 17, 2017 5:13pm
  - Nermal
    
    Thanks for the link. Lots of examples of Muslims supporting the terror attack.
    
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    June 17, 2017 5:04pm
Jack5

Poor effort in the Saturday Hooerald by the usually good Brian Gaynor. He’s drunk the immigration Kool-aid.

Gaynor’s argument seems to be that GDP will keep rising and this will keep drawing immigrants.

This is a circular argument, and ignores that GDP per capita has fallen in the last two financial quarters.

Increasing numbers of people increases GDP, which Gaynor notes. This then attracts more people, and this then increases GDP.

Hallelujah, the easy road to economic wealth!

It’s a political con, an economic Ponzi scheme.

GDP per capita is the true measure of a national people’s wealth, and, if the economy isn’t growing faster than the population, it falls.

In NZ, after being near static, GDP per capita is now falling.
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June 17, 2017 9:39am
- Gabby
  
  He wants to be part of the low wage economy and he’s doing his bit.
  
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  June 17, 2017 9:56am
- KevOB
  
  Gaynor is likely looking at immigration prospectively. It will drive future demand and hence future GDP. Meanwhile an excess of people needing accommodation is a minor catastrophe. The lag between desire for housing and supply is several years; it may even exceed 5.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:02am
  - Jack5
    
    KevOB, if immigration drives GDP but not GDP per capita, then the country goes back in living standards and individual wealth.
    
    India, with a GDP of $US8.72 trillion, has the fourth biggest economy in the world, but because of its population of 1.27 billion, its GDP per capita is just $US6,700, and on this measure it is 158th in the world.
    
    Little Switzerland, with a population of 8.18 million and a GDP of $US496.3 billion, has the 40th biggest economy in the world. Yet its GDP per capita, of $US59,400 makes its citizens the world’s 16th most wealthy.
    
    There is a mass migration on the way around the world, as millions from countries where people are poor (as in India), try to move richer countries. The most evident example of this in NZ is the vast student-visa-rort back door to NZ citizenship.
    
    NZ, with its GDP the 68th biggest in the world, has a GDP per capita that is 50th in the world. Our GDP per capita has fallen in each of the last two financial quarters, thanks to the surge in immigration.
    
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    June 17, 2017 1:45pm
    - KevOB
      
      GDP per capita is consequent on GDP. I was only dealing with the latter.
      
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      June 17, 2017 3:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fair enough, KevOB, as GDP per capita is consequent on GDP and population number. It’s GDP relative to each of us.
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:21pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jack5 : Brian Gaynor like you and me all have opinions but like most issues it does not mean that your right.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Of course, Happy Chappy. That’s what blogs are about.
    
    However, the decline in GDP per capita is a fact from the Stats Department, not an opinion.
    
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    June 17, 2017 1:14pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jack 5 : You are one that talks about dairy the downturn having a effect on GDP well there is a good column in the Herald from the Fonterra Boss that is well worth the read. I think it is under the heading Fonterra boss in a happy place.
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Happychappy, can you help here with a link please to the Fonterra column you mention.
    
    I’ve not been able to find it in the new glossy-magazine layout of the Herald web site.
    
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    June 17, 2017 1:25pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Dairy now in a Happier Place, says Fonterra Boss
      by Jamie Gray. Under Business.
      jamie.gray@nzherald.co.nz
      
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      June 17, 2017 4:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thank you Happychappy.
        
        Found a couple of <Hooerald articles, both from 14 June – that is, three days ago. Optimistic views, but not super-optimistic.
        
        Even if these folk are correct, tThe immigration surge will soon swallow up the benefits of any rise in returns from agriculture exports.
        
        The first Hooerald article I found:
        Headline: Higher dairy prices will pave way to higher tech on farms – ANZ
        
        From this one:
        
        Higher dairy payouts have put dairy farmers in a good position to take advantage of new technologies that will redefine farm efficiency in the years ahead, New Zealand’s biggest rural lender – ANZ – said.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11875314
        
        AND
        
        The second Hooerald article I found:
        
        Headline: Farmers upbeat at Fieldays despite the cold
        
        And, from this one:
        
        “If you look right across the agri sector, the reality is that there is a good productivity improvement, growth, and better prices,” Fonterra chairman John Wilson told the Herald.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11876167
        
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        June 17, 2017 7:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops found your story, Happychappy. It was on May 12.
        
        There’s been an international dairy auction since then, and while the price was up, the rise was less than that at the auction about the time Spierings was talking.
        
        Note that Jamie Gray says Fonterra’s farmers are in a happier place these days.
        
        Here’s the link, Happychappy. You would have saved a lot of wordage if you had supplied it initially:
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11853932
        
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        June 17, 2017 10:15pm
kowtow

Oh dear. The Swedish authorities are preparing their population for more Muslim terror.

The reason that Sweden has so many extremists must be related to their foreign policy , invading and killing Muslims in Iraq , Libya and Syria……..oh wait.

“The number of militant extremists living in Sweden has soared from a couple of hundreds a few years ago to thousands today, the security police Säpo believes.”

“It is a development we’re seeing in general, of course it’s worse in bigger countries. In the UK there are 23,000 extremists, in Belgium there are 18,000, in France 17,000. Not everyone is equally dangerous, but it only takes a small number of people.”

Look at those numbers , the equivalent of 3 divisions , a whole army , sitting , seething , waiting to strike in western Europe and of course it has nothing to do with Islam.

But fear not , people like Dame Devoid will tell us that being concerned about the same thing here is everyday racism, and she’s using our money to insult us.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170616/thousands-of-violent-extremists-in-sweden-security-police
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June 17, 2017 9:49am
Stars And Stripes

NZ sports ‘not meeting the need’ of immigrants
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/333211/nz-sports-not-meeting-the-need-of-immigrants.
“Ethnicity changes and a greater range of options are putting pressure on some of New Zealand’s traditional sports.
“In some cases it’s not culturally relevant. I’ve grown up in a culture in New Zealand where doing stuff was good and increasingly our migrant community may not come from that type of culture”.

Separate swimming times for Muslim women in public pools and netball tournaments where male spectators are banned.
If this is their idea of adapting NZ sport and recreation to accommodate immigrants then we don’t need a bar of this crap.
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June 17, 2017 10:08am
- GoVege
  
  If these dolts want or need segregation. ..they’re in the wrong country.
  GO HOME.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  Just you wait until “modesty” imposes itself on the Silver Ferns.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:28am
Rodney Randall

“The public swimming pool has been a great Australian institution: affordable, open and full of people mixing together, regardless of their background, race and religion.

Now, this tradition is under threat.

Cumberland Council in Western Sydney has introduced segregation at Auburn pool, erecting a curtained partition to allow Muslim women to swim in private.

Islamic women are on one side of the curtain, the rest of the community on the other.

This is local government Sharia Law: changing the rules at Auburn pool to enforce the teachings of the Koran – that Islamic women should not show bare flesh to men.

For non-Muslim men, the discrimination is twofold: they pay their Council rates, they pay at the pool entry point, but they can’t access the entire pool facility.

Public services must be available to all the public.

If Muslim women have modesty issues, they should take personal responsibility by wearing a burkini.

Segregation is not the answer.

Where does it end: putting curtains up on Bondi Beach?”

Should wrap Devoid in a curtain and send her to Saudi Arabia.

She’d be happier there.
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June 17, 2017 10:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  And to think New Zealanders were rioting in the streets over segregation only 30 years ago. Apparently it’s cool now.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:32am
  - ross411
    
    I suspect those in both situations, follow the lead of whatever puerile nonsense they read on the local newspaper – or hear from their circle of strangely similar thinking friends on Facebook and Twitter.
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:38am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Rich Prick , the “rioting ” was over racial laws in South Africa that mandated separate beaches , public parks , intermarriage made illegal , educational ,justice systems etc..
    
    A very, very far cry from alleged :” segregation “in public pools
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:42am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Hi moron. Is it noisey inside your head today?
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:51am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      So obviously Stephieboy you think that what is shown in Rodney Randall’s example is not segregation.
      Tell us all then what you would call it?.
      
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      June 17, 2017 10:54am
    - Nermal
      
      No it isn’t. Very similar in fact.
      
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      June 17, 2017 5:18pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Stephie’s had a long day commenting here. I imagine he feels much better but newspaper rolled just the same.
      
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qKxlvWOqmFs
      
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      June 17, 2017 8:31pm
      - cha
        
        Fucking thing needs worming quick smart, or it’ll be itchy dates and peak ‘a’ boo all round.
        
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        June 17, 2017 8:38pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        cha, we’ve long thought that about stephie.
        
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        June 17, 2017 8:43pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Cool, if segregation is what Muslims really want, let’s have Muslims at the back of the bus, Muslim only toilets, rename 3rd class on trains or ferries Muslim Class, same for the cargo holds on planes. Sounds pretty good to me.
      
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      June 17, 2017 9:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodeny Randell , who exactly says it is under threat ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:37am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Do you know how to boil a frog?
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:40am
  - stigie
    
    More questions and no answers from Stiffy, typical of the keyboard warrior..?
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:54am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There are numerous women-only gyms in Wellington. Why should there not also be women-only swimming pools?
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:45pm
  - artemisia
    
    No problem at all with that as long as they are privately funded. Like the gyms.
    
    There was a fuss in the media a year or two back when Housing NZ was pressured to build high walls or fences around back yards so that certain women tenants could take some clothes off and get some sun. Purely for vitamin D reasons of course. Not sure if HNZ agreed.
    
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    June 17, 2017 1:15pm
All_on_Red

Looks like the people of Europe aren’t happy with the EU over the way the refugee issue is being handled.
Latest Polling from Pew Research.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCcY6mmWAAAUbEO?format=jpg&name=large
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June 17, 2017 10:37am
lastmanstanding

Stephieboy

The Nurse wishes to remain anonymous fearing for her life if her identity would become known.

Like the German government would come after her for speaking out for one. Plus the ‘immigrant” leaders for her exposing the threat.

But of course you are a denier a white is black because I say so person and I use that definition of person carefully therefore nothing will make any difference for you.
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June 17, 2017 10:52am
- stephieboy
  
  lastmanstanding , you can begin to follow the apparently false paper trail back to here ,
  
  Face the Munich
  
  Did a “female physician in Munich” pen an alarming warning letter about refugees?
  
  http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/
  
  As per SGA’s post as at 10.55am
  
  Very self explanatory !
  
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  June 17, 2017 11:13am
  - KevOB
    
    There may well be some truth behind “the letter”. I’ll watch out for more.
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:37pm
Reid

US Navy destroyer collided with a Phillipine-registered container ship. Here endeth that Captain’s Navy career. If you click the twitter link in the article you can see a vid of the damage taken from a helicopter.

https://www.rt.com/usa/392625-uss-fitzgerald-navy-crash-japanese-ship/
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June 17, 2017 11:01am
- RF
  
  7 crew missing.
  
  Who was at fault ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:28pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Looks like the container ships bow damaged. Broadsided destroyer? Container ship twice the size of the destroyer. Several sailors missing.
    
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    June 17, 2017 6:26pm
    - sooty
      
      With all the electronics on an american warship, how would it get run over? Something smells!
      
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      June 17, 2017 6:33pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/sharia.aspx

“Sharia is Islamic Law. It is the religious legal system that governs the political, social and moral duties of faithful Muslims. It is what is meant by God’s Law.”

Make no mistake, these are not exclusive to Islamists/fundamentalists.

Listed are several Core Tenets.
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June 17, 2017 11:20am
- KevOB
  
  It is what is meant by Sunna not God.
  
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  June 17, 2017 3:39pm
wiseowl

I happened upon part of a programme on Al Jazzera last night where they covered some muslims in Hastings and Iceland.
200 had been converted to Muslim in Iceland .
It was a chilling story that should ring alarm bells.
Just stop this infiltration of our country by an ideology that is alien to us.
The west are goimg down if they don’t wake up.
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June 17, 2017 11:21am
- Reid
  
  The thing you people need to get through your skulls is: none of the Western people living in the Western nations subjected to this, have ever asked for this. The only people supporting this are and have always been:
  
  The Western politicians
  
  The Western media
  
  The Western legal and court systems
  
  The Western useful idiots who are so profoundly inculcated with cultural marxism they don’t understand they’ve been indoctrinated to advocate for the destruction of their own way of life.
  
  And the total numbers of people in all four of those groups are vastly inferior to the total number of Westerners who aren’t in any of them.
  
  Yet it’s still happening and shows no sign of stopping.
  
  Remember, this latest rapeugee invasion is only the latest incidence of something that’s been stealthily happening for many decades now, over multiple flavours of govt, all across the US and Canada and the EU.
  
  And yet, many of you STILL, despite these facts, STILL think that democracy is a reality in the lands you live in.
  
  When are you people going to get it through your skulls that the powers that be EVIDENTLY do NOT repeat NOT give a fuck about what YOU want, say or do? Isn’t this, looking at recent history, as plain as day?
  
  Well?
  
  Isn’t it?
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:33pm
  - SPC
    
    The liberal multi-cultural PC is the “bi-partisan” price the capitalist right pay for the open immigration global labour market – reinforcing downward pressure on wages while the immigration pushes up local property values.
    
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    June 17, 2017 2:52pm
Reid

Tweet: There is so much going on here. The name, the crimes, the mugshot…

https://twitter.com/kidd_kong78/status/875093272993165312
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June 17, 2017 11:31am
- cha
  
  The name, the crimes, the mugshot…
  
  …the piss take…
  
  http://whnt.com/2017/06/14/local-officer-explains-how-barry-larry-terry-and-his-raccoon-became-a-social-media-sensation/
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:30pm
SPC

This is so crazy, the guy who advised me to sack Comey, appoints someone as a special investigator who now is investigating me for firing Comey.

It’s like I should have simply accepted the deputy attorney-general’s advice without comment rather than say why I wanted Comey gone, the f’in law.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40306917
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June 17, 2017 11:36am
- Reid
  
  https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/08/comey-and-mueller-russiagates-mythical-heroes/
  
  and
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/19/gregg-jarrett-why-robert-mueller-should-resign-as-special-counsel.html
  
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  June 17, 2017 12:24pm
Fletch

We knew this sort of shit was going to come in once Trudeau was elected in Canada…

Canada passed a law Thursday making it illegal to use the wrong gender pronouns. Critics say that Canadians who do not subscribe to progressive gender theory could be accused of hate crimes, jailed, fined, and made to take anti-bias training.

Canada’s Senate passed Bill C-16, which puts “gender identity” and “gender expression” into both the country’s Human Rights Code, as well as the hate crime category of its Criminal Code by a vote of 67-11, according to LifeSiteNews. The bill now only needs royal assent from the House of Commons to pass into law.

“Great news,” announced Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister. “Bill C-16 has passed the Senate – making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression. #LoveisLove.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/canada-passes-law-criminalizing-use-of-wrong-gender-pronouns/

America probably would have been subject to this kind of thing as well had Hillary got in.
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June 17, 2017 12:25pm
Fletch

Rush Limbaugh says Trump has got to quit playing the swamp’s game and use the tools he is legally entitled to.

He could fire Rosenstein, and he could fire Mueller. There’s nothing stopping him from doing it, nothing legally. He could go to Rosenstein right now. He would be perfectly within his bounds to go to Rosenstein and say, “Look, this investigation can’t be wide open for anything. You’ve gotta limit what these people can look for. You’ve gotta limit it to actual felonious crimes. You can’t have them subpoenaing anybody they want financial records, text records, tax records. There has to be a limit.”

He would be perfectly within his bounds to do that because he is the executive branch. And if he wanted to fire these people, he could. When you see in the media, “There’s no way he can do it,” they’re talking politically. But since the independent counsel, special counsel’s been named, and now since they made sure to leak that Trump is under investigation, that is supposed to tie his hands, but it cannot tie his hands legally.

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It’s not constitutional or legal prohibitions stopping him. It’s pure politics. And it’s the politics of the swamp, folks. The swamp has got Trump playing the swamp’s game right now. And that’s not what Trump was elected to do, and that’s not what Trump wants. Trump does not want to play the swamp’s game. I think the effort to get health care passed in the House was Trump playing the swamp game. And by swamp game, I mean the traditional way to get legislation passed.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/06/16/limbaugh-swamp-got-trump-playing-swamps-game-thats-not-trump-elected/
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June 17, 2017 12:29pm
- Gabby
  
  Chump realised pretty quick the cash was floating around on the surface.
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sir Billy Connolly
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1157902/sir-billy-connolly-knighthood-glasgow-comedian-best-jokes-one-liners/
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June 17, 2017 2:04pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks for that Maggy.
  Sir Billy. Brilliant!
  I’m sure he’d have a pithy one liner in response.
  
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  June 17, 2017 3:52pm
- RalphT
  
  Well deserved. The world’s a better place for having Billy around to poke fun at a few sacred cows. (No offence to Hindus intended.)
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Julie Walters has been a Dame.
  
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  June 17, 2017 6:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And Dame June Whitfield…..
    (especially chosen skit for you, wg……so mindful of Marilyn Monroe & Johnboy)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGTssBD_3U
    
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    June 17, 2017 8:38pm
virtualmark

The president, who friends said does not enjoy living in Washington and is strained by the demanding hours of the job, is motivated to carry on because he “doesn’t want to go down in history as a guy who tried and failed,” said the adviser. “He doesn’t want to be the second president in history to resign.”

Trump is low energy???

Sad!
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June 17, 2017 2:38pm
Johnboy

Can someone explain to me why the bastards that design our home appliances make the digital displays out of those horrid little green wishy-washy LED things that you can’t see if the suns shining instead of the lovely bright red displays you once used to get????

Signed:

Disgruntled greatgrandfather of a few! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 3:04pm
- Gabby
  
  Because it DID make you go blind.
  
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  June 17, 2017 3:28pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’ve never wanked to get my great grand kids Gabby!
    Please explain. 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:45pm
    - Gabby
      
      I should hope not john’s boy. Nor the grandkids. Leave that to their parents would be best. Having sired the first generation you’ve had plenty of going blind time.
      
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      June 17, 2017 4:11pm
- Brigitte
  
  Quite simple really. It’s deliberate. Us grandparents can’t operate any new electronics, so in order to save us wrecking them they prevent us from seeing what’s going on. Then we call in the better sighted grandkids who help out gran (or grandpa, JB). Normally all for the cost of a few sweets!
  
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  June 17, 2017 3:50pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Jeeze your’s are cheap Brigitte. I have to pay a minimum of $20 to get my grandkids round to garden etc. 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:55pm
- waikatogirl
  
  And the print size on the settings is sooo small eh JB!
  I agree ?
  
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  June 17, 2017 3:55pm
Fletch

Wellington City Council removes the word “Israel” from song-sheets of a production of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. After they were called on it via twitter they issued an apology (to the song’s lyricist Tim Rice, no less).

The Wellington City Council has apologised to Sir Tim Rice after the word “Israel” vanished from song sheets featuring the renowned lyricist’s work.

The printed lyrics – with a modified version of Close Every Door from Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber’s Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat – were prepared for this year’s annual Wellington children’s festival, Artsplash.

In song sheets distributed to Wellington schools taking part in Artsplash, the phrase “Children of Israel” was changed to “Children of Kindness”.

the council also took to Twitter to apologise to Rice, telling him a “community coordinator made an error in judgement which we will rectify before the schoolkids perform in Sept. Sorry, we love your work.”

That appeared to appease the multi-award-winning Englishman, who responded: “Many thanks. I greatly appreciate your generous and speedy correction.”

Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat co-writer Sir Tim Rice called the change “meaningless and drippy” but accepted Wellington City Council’s apology.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/93791227/joseph-and-the-amazing-disappearing-israel-reference

Why am I not surprised by a push not to recognize Israel (in fact, scrub out their name) by liberal political entities? It turns out, instead of singing the song they have now spat the dummy and cut it entirely.
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June 17, 2017 3:40pm
- kowtow
  
  Wonder who they were seeking to appease?
  
  “We always look to have music that covers and looks after kids from all countries, from all backgrounds. It was decided that small change of one word would be made. It’s obviously gone down like a lead ballon.”
  
  Perhaps Dame Devoid should investigate , sounds like anti semitism to me.
  Or would the police commissioner like to suggest we get a new crime , “Speech omission,” it could be a form of intentional ethnic cleansing you see.
  Or some legal type from Otago uni.
  
  Nope we won’t be hearing from any of them. Wrong people offended you see.
  
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  June 17, 2017 4:30pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Offending Yids is OK these days kowtow…. since they got their own nukes. New Zealand folk have always got stroppy with the jokers that outgun us. Still we always beat the bastards at the haka! 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2017 4:37pm
- Nermal
  
  I’m surprised they didn’t change the title to “Mohammed and that amazing black burka” to reflect our diversity.
  
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  June 17, 2017 5:32pm
Johnboy

All “community coordinators” should be sacked/crucified in MHO! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 3:43pm
cha

The best people.
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She’s arranged tournaments at Trump golf courses, served as the liaison to the Trump family during his presidential campaign, and even arranged Eric Trump’s wedding.

Now President Trump has appointed longtime loyalist Lynne Patton — who has zero housing experience and claims a law degree the school says she never earned — to run the office that oversees federal housing programs in New York.

Patton was appointed Wednesday to head up the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s Region II, which includes New York and New Jersey, where she’ll oversee distribution of billions of taxpayer dollars.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-chooses-family-event-planner-run-n-y-housing-programs-article-1.3251314?
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June 17, 2017 3:48pm
rightoverlabour

Stupid Fuckers

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/93791227/joseph-and-the-amazing-disappearing-israel-reference
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June 17, 2017 4:34pm
- Harriet
  
  Someone should be fired over that, it is a straight out attack on Israel and it’s people, and worse, the view is pushed onto children.
  
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  June 17, 2017 5:29pm
Gabby

Speaking of Amazing Disappearing things, why was Slimy Britches so keen to disappear that kiwirail report? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, Slimy.
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June 17, 2017 5:23pm
Harriet

Here’s big news I think – I haven’t read it myself yet:

Turkish govt destroy Anzac memorial in Islamic push!

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/turks-destroy-iconic-anzac-monument-at-gallipoli/ar-BBCMKve?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartanntp

I have read it: Reading between the lines in the future we have to submit to the mindset of ‘victorious Islamic supremacy’ when we visit the place, and less so that of the secular Turkey mindset.
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June 17, 2017 5:32pm
- Inandout
  
  I can’t understand why Gallipoli has become a shrine because many more were lost in Europe. Our total WW1 loss was 18,000.
  
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  June 17, 2017 6:25pm
  - simpleton1
    
    First remembered 1916, one year after campaign began, and that had absorbed into public understanding.
    First real long campaign, and first honoured.
    
    In early April 2016, Prime Minister William Massey announced that the Government would observe a half-day holiday from 1pm on 25 April 1916 – the first anniversary of the Gallipoli landing. Special church services were to be held on that day, and the New Zealand flag would be flown all over the country. The Government declared that the day should not be marked by sports or special entertainment, but that it was appropriate for patriotic meetings to be held, both to mark the anniversary and to assist with recruiting more men to the cause…….
    
    …Large crowds attended the first Anzac Day ceremonies throughout New Zealand, with similar ceremonies attracting crowds in Australia also. More than 2000 people attended the 1916 Anzac Day service in Rotorua – a substantial percentage of the population at that time….
    
    Over in London, Australian and New Zealand troops commemorated the day with march and a service in Westminster Abbey, and in Egypt, soldiers also marked the day with a special service. Battalions serving on the front lines took time to remember their comrades lost at Gallipoli the year before…..
    
    Anzac Day was officially made a public holiday in New Zealand in 1920, under the Anzac Day Act. Over time, with further losses during WWI, the advent of WWII, and other international conflicts during the twentieth century, Anzac Day commemorations have expanded to include all New Zealanders killed in war, as well as honouring returned servicemen and women. http://allthatremains.net.nz/2016/04/25-april-1916-the-first-anzac-day/
    
    That first Anzac day seems to have been well attended. Just look at the Petone photos.
    
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    June 17, 2017 7:06pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Not only for politics, but the beginning and recognition that we gained with Australia.
    
    In 1916 the first Anzac Day commemorations were held on 25 April. The day was marked by a wide variety of ceremonies and services across Australia, a march through London, and a sports day in the Australian camp in Egypt. In London more than 2,000 Australian and New Zealand troops marched through the streets; a London newspaper headline dubbed them “the knights of Gallipoli”. Marches were held all over Australia; in the Sydney march convoys of cars carried soldiers wounded on Gallipoli and their nurses. For the remaining years of the war Anzac Day was used as an occasion for patriotic rallies and recruiting campaigns, and parades of serving members of the AIF were held in most cities. https://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/anzac-day/traditions
    
    A recognition also began that we should take more control of our armed forces, and not blindly follow all of England’s generals. That we had our own way of getting things done.
    
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    June 17, 2017 7:17pm
DifferentPerspective

Protests as Trump defunds Y2K work

The last great international fraud prior to Climate Alarmism took a big hit this week as Trump initiated changes that means US govt departments can now stop working on preventing Y2K preparedness!

I can’t wait for the world’s loonie lefties to start protesting how Trump is endangering all of civilisation by this terrible action!

Brad Pitt will do a news piece on how the world will end midnight on 31 December 1999!
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June 17, 2017 6:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Weren’t we all waiting for our computers to crash at midnight? What a let down, and what a total waste of money for most businesses.
  
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  June 17, 2017 6:28pm
Johnboy

It’s going to take some serious work to get this bastard over 350 tonight! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 6:33pm
- stigie
  
  You stay hard JB !~
  
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  June 17, 2017 6:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Can’t afford the viagra old chap! 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2017 7:02pm
waikatogirl

“Weren’t we all waiting for our computers to crash at midnight?”

No wonder most of us are much more cynical these days. Too many predictions that have come to nothing. How many times has the world been predicted to end, Y2K, the world under raised sea level, etc, etc. LOL ?
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June 17, 2017 6:35pm
Johnboy

If you did a virtual striptease waikatogirl I could see us topping 300. 🙂
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June 17, 2017 6:37pm
waikatogirl

Hang around, I’m on the red wine JB but you’ll have to wait till I’ve imbibed a lot more before I contemplate attempted anything physical. ?
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June 17, 2017 6:43pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Didn’t you go to the Fieldays, that’s physical enough?
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:27pm
Johnboy

I’m happy to ship a crate of Chateau Plonk to you darling if you feel more lubrication would help? 🙂
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June 17, 2017 6:48pm
waikatogirl

I’m a cheap date JB, doesn’t take much much these days to make me do silly things so I definitely limit my intake. Perhaps one of the ewes can avert your interest. ?
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June 17, 2017 6:54pm
Johnboy

You’ve never actually told us chaps what your measurements are waikatogirl………not that we don’t value your contributions for the intellectual content of course! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 6:59pm
rightoverlabour

Just in case some warmists are having a pleasant evening….

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/16/america-first-climate/

Had the fire going the whole day… Just doing my bit to counter the big freeze that’s due shortly…
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June 17, 2017 7:13pm
waikatogirl

Think Marilyn Munro, but shorter and bit smaller round the interesting bits. Sorry no wool or hooves.
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So nothing like Marilyn then!
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June 17, 2017 7:14pm
Johnboy

I’m not much like Jack Kennedy either wg but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t sing happy birthday to me! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 7:19pm
stigie

“Sorry no wool or hooves.”

Now you’ve blown it Waikatogirl, JB was just headed out back to crank up the sheep dip turned spa..?
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June 17, 2017 7:20pm
nasska

….”Sorry no wool”…..

Just what JB’s after…..a nudist. 🙂
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June 17, 2017 7:26pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sounds like a take on’Baa baa black sheep’.
  
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  June 17, 2017 8:51pm
Johnboy

I wish you jokers would just fuck off and chat up Penny or someone so I can consumate my new relationship with waikatogirl.
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June 17, 2017 7:30pm
stigie

Ok JB goodnight.
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June 17, 2017 7:33pm
- Johnboy
  
  Make sure you’re not peeking stigie. 🙂
  
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  June 17, 2017 7:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@waikatogirl

before you get too sloshed, remember Johnboy hasn’t been around much lately….. It might pay to check that terminal putrescence hasn’t set in.
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June 17, 2017 7:44pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’ll have you know Maggy that the end of my knob is just as purple and pretty as it ever was thankyou! 🙂
  
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  June 17, 2017 7:46pm
Johnboy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/93795593/woman-disgusted-after-dog-was-spat-at-on-taranaki-coastal-walkway

Filthy cyclist bastards should all be shot! 🙂
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June 17, 2017 8:05pm
Rachael Membery

Friendly soil no longer, should we bring them home?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11878350
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June 17, 2017 8:23pm
Viking2

The Turkish government has defaced an Anzac monument at Gallipoli, possibly as part of an Islamist push reports Newshub’s Scott Palmer.

The 1985 memorial used to bear the words attributed to the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, which welcomed the Anzac dead.

The Islamist filth at work.

“Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives… You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours,” it read.

“You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.”

Turkey says the words were removed as part of a “restoration” process on the Gallipoli peninsula.
– See more at: http://newsie.co.nz/news/39128-turks-destroy-anzac-monument-at-gallipoli.html#sthash.5MmOo8Mw.dpuf
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June 17, 2017 8:25pm
nasska

My old neighbour always said “Be tolerant of others, always respect women, and cleanliness is next to godliness.”

Lovely bloke, shit Muslim.
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June 17, 2017 8:53pm
cha

Dollars to donuts the ACX Crystal’s bulbous bow punched a hole below the Fitzgerald’s waterline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4612334/USS-Fitzgerald-involved-collision-merchant-vessel.html
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June 17, 2017 9:09pm
- Reid
  
  There’s something extremely strange about the damage patterns on those two ships.
  
  What I mean is, try to conceive the angles of convergence given those photos, and nothing makes any sense.
  
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  June 17, 2017 10:10pm
  - Reid
    
    The only angle which does make sense is at moment of impact the destroyer was very close to the port side of the container ship bow, so close the container ship’s port bow crashed down onto the startboard beam of the destroyer just abeam of her AEGIS radar sensor.
    
    If you look closely at one of the photos in that dailymail link you can see the destroyer’s hull is angled at the impact point, her back seems to have been broken which would explain the water leakage.
    
    So why would a warship have been doing that kind of manouvre, what type of insanity would make it do anything close to that?
    
    And if the angle of impact wasn’t that, then what was it, because it sure as hell wasn’t head on, as the idiot journalist suggests.
    
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    June 17, 2017 10:33pm
    - cha
      
      Here’s the bridge recording from the USS Porter’s 2012 Strait of Hormuz collision with a tanker.
      
      No conclusions but I reckon the reasons behind the Fitzgerald incident will turn out to be much the same, confusion and poor judgement.
      
      http://s3.amazonaws.com/hamptonroadscom/store/3541.mp3
      
      http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showpost.php?s=a904bd0caf5d7282bbde3560a6bb341c&p=10141563&postcount=335
      
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      June 17, 2017 11:37pm
      - Reid
        
        Sure looks like it don’t it.
        
        The CO looks like a right tosser on top of whatever else contributed.
        
        Makes one wonder how safe is the assumption of the Western sheeple the US Navy really is the bestest.
        
        When you have what is prima facie massively incompetent command officers like this, in charge of a ship like that, given a destroyer today is a much more senior command than it used to be.
        
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        June 17, 2017 11:59pm
Manolo

Governed by honest and decent authorities:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/could-illinois-be-the-first-state-to-file-for-bankruptcy/
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June 17, 2017 10:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

Obviously the Maoris can only play decent rugby when there’s a few Pakehas directing proceedings.
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June 17, 2017 10:04pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Get ready for the Confederations Cup 2017 opener.
Russia vs New Zealand.
What a game it’s going to be. Excitement building.
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June 18, 2017 2:42am
BeeSting

LISTEN TO THE SOUND OF SILENT PRAYER
BEFORE THE NEXT ATTACK

FUNDED AND ENABLED By the Corrupt
Establishments of NZ, Australia
the UK and America.
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