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William of Ockham

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It seems I was wrong. Mocking upset you; you demanded more. I should have tried to change your minds – apparently. So. Climate science deniers are willing to change their minds? Well, we’ll see, shall we. Read the article on the American Institute of Physics website. Introduction below.

http://history.aip.org/history/climate/20ctrend.htm
The Discovery of Global Warming. January 2017

The Modern Temperature Trend
Tracking the world’s average temperature from the late 19th century, people in the 1930s realized there had been a pronounced warming trend. During the 1960s, weather experts found that over the past couple of decades the trend had shifted to cooling. With a new awareness that climate could change in serious ways, in the early 1970s some scientists predicted a continued gradual cooling, perhaps a phase of a long natural cycle or perhaps caused by human pollution of the atmosphere with smog and dust. Others insisted that the effects of such pollution were temporary, and humanity’s emission of greenhouse gases would bring warming over the long run. All of them agreed that their knowledge was primitive and any prediction was guesswork. But understanding of the climate system was advancing swiftly. The view that warming must dominate won out in the late 1970s as it became clear that the cooling spell (mainly a Northern Hemisphere effect) had indeed been a temporary distraction. When the rise continued into the 21st century, penetrating even into the ocean depths, scientists recognized that it signaled a profound change in the climate system. Nothing like it had been seen for centuries, and probably not for millennia. The specific pattern of changes, revealed in objects ranging from ship logs to ice caps to tree rings, closely matched the predicted effects of greenhouse gas emissions. [continues]
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June 16, 2017 8:00am
- RalphT
  
  I didn’t even try this morning; I knew I didn’t stand a chance. I guess I’ll have to settle for being the perpetual number 2.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Like Hertz
    
    Down ticks trending at one / minute so won’t last until morning tea let alone lunchtime
    
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    June 16, 2017 8:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    RalphT,
    
    ” I didn’t even try this morning..”
    
    And never tried for that matter . Note the interesting similiarities when Climate Change denial and the workd “Muslim” or Obama is mentioned .
    
    Striking meeting of minds indeed !
    
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    June 16, 2017 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I see your article is by the Historian Spencer Weart.
  
  What do you think of his book “Never at War: Why Democracies Will Not Fight One Another.”?
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:40am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy Wassilieff ,this wiki link has questioned many aspects of that book including his use of statistics and other kinds of historical methodology ,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_at_War#Critiques_of_methodology
    
    BTW found the link in seconds !
    
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    June 16, 2017 8:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh no, stephieboy,
      
      Don’t tell me that Spencer Weart has been using dodgy statistics, and cherry-picks his evidence.
      
      I would never have guessed.
      But great research there, stephieboy. Full marx, Keep it up!
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:02am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Maggy W ,how long have your convulsions been occouring as a a matter of interest ?
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:42am
    - Ross12
      
      Typical sarcastic stephieboy remark — “BTW found the link in seconds !”
      Maggy asked politely for YOUR opinion of his book.
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Actually, I was asking for W of O’s opinion.
        
        But it is interesting that stephieboy doesn’t seem to realise that his post supports my view that Historian Spencer Weart may not have presented a balanced account of the Discovery of Global warming.
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:24am
William of Ockham

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Nah. Just a convulsive tic. And back to your little kiwicage. Bereft of any worthwhile knowledge or understanding of the science. Worse, no wit, no style. Well rooted in the past and truly rooted in the future.
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June 16, 2017 8:01am
- Happychappy
  
  WoO is like Labour a bad smell that won’t go away.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:13am
Inandout

They will never know for sure how many occupants were in that London building, because often tenants illegally sublet to others.
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June 16, 2017 8:07am
- artemisia
  
  And in a city with a shortage of ‘affordable housing’ (whatever that is) there is a good chance that there will be more occupants than intended or signed up.
  
  In the tragic circumstances, these issues will be glossed over, and fair enough too.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Another report this morning announcing that NZ existing housing stock is not designed for the elderly. Another ‘problem’ to add to the housing mix.
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:22am
    - KevOB
      
      Elderly housing is called a “Retirement Village”.
      
      New housing back as far as the 60’s was required to be a minimum of 2 bedrooms an preferably 3 if finance was needed. Single accommodation may have found in some flats but a second b/r was still regarded as highly desirable so someone could come to stay. No second b/r no finance.
      
      Expect faux issues abundantly this election. It’s not time to be complacent. Labour are being aggressive and we need to respond.
      
      If you don’t squash a snake it may bite. Belittle the impossible.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:15am
duggledog

Dame Susan Devoid of Anything Useful To Do launches a campaign to stamp out racism – enabled and endorsed by the openly-hostile-to-our-former-PM John Key, ‘Taika Waititi’:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11875975

Piss off Susan. She actually used the words ‘visually diverse’. And shame on National for maintaining this abomination of a quango (Race Relations).

The Nats are making a huge mistake by promising to tackle the anti-immigration sentiment looming in the run up to September.

‘National is not going to shy away from a fight over polarising issues such as immigration’:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11876133

That feels to me like they’re intimating that we’re nasty racists if we don’t like seeing our country swamped with god knows what.

They should be saying ‘yeah OK middle NZ fair enough we’ll throttle back a bit, sorry’.

If a nation is suddenly and very quickly overrun with hordes of new immigrants, without any consultation, expect trouble from the natives.

I think there are plenty of examples of this in the history of humanity.
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June 16, 2017 8:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I’ll reconsider my cultural bias when I hear John Harawira apologise for calling me a white mo fo
  
  No time soon I suspect, if ever
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog , that was not certaibly the case from the rabid right when she was first appointed .
  
  ” hordes of new immigrants” rest assured many of those are whites from Europe , USA and OZ .
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:38am
- BarryB
  
  Well it all did seem stupid from the start – but since the whole thing has now moved onto culture being a bad thing – ie: liking a culture is now racist, then maybe – just maybe – we will see the end of this endless demand to respect all the worlds crap arse cultures – since theyre all racist thoughts.
  And especially we will hear the last of Maori culture.
  
  Thank God.
  
  And maybe Devoid will have achieved something – even though she didnt plan to.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:47am
- KevOB
  
  “It’s a fact that every woman I know who wears a head scarf has been humiliated by a stranger right here in New Zealand”.
  Susan Devoy, Race Relations Commissioner.
  
  The RRC can’t even use the word “Muslim” she substitutes the words “head scarf” as synonymous.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:13am
  - cmm
    
    My wife wears a head scarf and she has never been abused. However she wears it when it appropriate to do so – when it is cold or windy.
    
    Devoy is thick. If you wear Muslim-style togs it is declaring that you are culturally incompatible with NZ. It is a short-cut way of telling people that you support FGM, stringing up gays etc.
    
    It is really no different to wearing a gang patch.
    
    Devoy should go walk around Saudi Arabia in her squash togs if she needs something to compare with.
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:24am
    - KevOB
      
      Head scarves don’t denote Islamic. My wife, an Anglican Minister, wears one on occasion.
      
      If SD is actually saying that all wearers of head scarves signify Islamic cultural identity she has passed her use by date. She would arbitrarily assigning people to a class without justification. That’s not racism but a breach of human rights and an affront to dignity.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:25am
- 3-coil
  
  Ignore the dribblings of the racist hypocrite Taiko Waititi. ‘Many a true word spoken in jest’ with his current “I am a Racist” self-promotion/publicity campaign.
  
  He delights in attacking white blonde women squealing “racist, racist!” (eg Dame Trelise Cooper for using Amercan Indian head-dress in her fashion parade) but in the same week is totally happy with big macho brown boys (Warriors rugby league players on TVNZ advertisements) mincing around wearing American Indian head-dresses…!
  
  He is just another thin-skinned brown whinger (and self-appointed spokesman for American Indians when it suits him!) whose hypocrisy wrt “racism” rules him out of the debate.
  
  His “I am a Racist” tee-shirt is not witty metaphor, it speaks the truth.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:29am
- rangitoto
  
  “Dame Susan Devoid of Anything Useful To Do launches a campaign to stamp out racism”
  
  So she wants to get rid of the Maori seats. Good.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:45am
- Jack5
  
  Dame Devoid is telling porkies about the relative diversity of NZ, compared with other countries.
  
  See the sources and links I put forward late in the evening (and thus towards the bottom) of last night’s General Debate.
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:57am
- ex-golfer
  
  Irony/hypocrisy alert……Taita Waititi makes a living making movies that have institutionalised racism (just watch “Boy” for copious examples) then proceeds to lecture the rest of us.
  Piss off.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:41am
kowtow

The Uman Rights Commission must have a lot of our money , many of us whiteys are a little racist you see. Some more so.

On the one hand they tell us we’re welcoming and diverse and yet they are spending up big to tell us how evil we are.

I do agree with this statement from the Dame.

“She says racial intolerance and overt attacks are on the rise overseas and closer to home.”

Yes , there does appear to be a lot more attacks by Muslims on innocent people around them. Maybe it’s because it’s ramadan.

http://www.thatsus.co.nz/
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June 16, 2017 8:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Any government department who’s driving ideology is to combat a particular group of “oppressors” in society ought to be immediately disbanded and its staff barred from other governmental employment.
  
  Enabling the process of identity politics is harmful to an integrated society because it focuses on differences (rather than similarities and common goals).
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:31am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow , but what she says about racial intolerance has a lot of truth if the posts by you and others are concerned .
  
  Far more innocent Muslims are killed by Terrorist attacks than in London , Paris and elsewhere .
  
  FACT !
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:41am
  - redeye
    
    Can you tell us why they kill more muslims when it’s apparently western foreign policy that’s the main driver of terrorism?
    
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    June 16, 2017 8:55am
    - stephieboy
      
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      redeye, simply beacause there are civil wars and sectarian conflicts raging in the Middle East . The exact causes are complex but a significant starting point was the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And subsequent interventiions continuing to this very day.
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:00am
      - cmm
        
        You people should do more research. Why should stephie have to do all the hard work?
        
        Quran (4:89) – “They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”
        
        The Quran was written in 2004 in respose to Western invasions. Before that all Muslims lived in peace (especially the gays who would swap fashion tips with the women). FACT!.
        
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        June 16, 2017 9:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have a look at the number of casualities in this list, stephieboy.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East
        You might then get an inkling that the invasion of Iraq is not the significant event in the MiddleEast.
        
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        June 16, 2017 9:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        You might want to check out the siege and massacre at Aleppo under President Assad’s father….
        
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        June 16, 2017 9:41am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        ‘The” true starting point was the 7th century when the muslims swarmed out of Arabia and overran the Middle East (and many other areas). So stop making muslims victims, if they had not tried to spread their aggressive ideology in the first place they would not be be paying such an awful price now!
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilief,
        
        look more carefully and you will see WW1 casulties as a consequence of the fall of the Ottoman Empire and it ‘s aftermath .
        
        Some 2.5 million dwarfing mind you the casulities on the Western and Eastern front ( Russia ). Not forgetting other sundry conflicts .to date .
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:22am
      - Jack5
        
        The rostered-on Stephiestani troll at 10.22 blithers on about World War 1 casualties and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
        
        According to this usually reputable source, comparative deaths in World War 1 included: Russia 9.15 million, France 6.1 million, British Empire 3.1 million, Turkey 975,000.
        
        http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-one/world-war-one-and-casualties/first-world-war-casualties/
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        look more carefully and you will see WW1 casulties
        
        Quite so, stephieboy…
        
        that’s my whole point, you see…
        
        Things don’t start going awry in 2003. The ME was well buggered before then.
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:16pm
      - GoVege
        
        Didn’t some Muslims murder 3000 innocent people in New York a couple of years earlier?
        And it wasn’t the first time they’d tried.
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:17pm
    - KevOB
      
      Muslims have been at war with each other since 632. If you don’t accept the sectarian teachings then you have a sentence of death as an apostate.
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        KevOB , much the same in Europe between especially Cathloic and Protestant until the advent of secularisation and the neutralisation of the influence and power of religion .
        
        Certainly much of alt right ideology would like to see the restoration of the dominnace of former Christian Theocratic principles ,
        
        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/01/trump-inauguration-sets-stage-christian-theocracy/
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        Ok, stephie, I’ll try roll with your logic.
        
        The Protestant reformation started in about 1530 or so. and formed the basis of much European conflict until 1850 or so (with small amounts continuing to 198o or so). That’s 320-odd years.
        
        Islam started in 630 or so. They’re still going full retard (if not increasing) in 2017. That’s almost 1400 years with no sign of slow down.
        
        So you’re asking people to believe that the 320-odd years of war that it took for the Christians to sort their shit out is somehow worse than the 1400 years that Islam has been making war.
        
        No wonder you’re twisted enough to think of them as the religion of peace!
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Or the 1926 Hebron massacre.
      
      “The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.[1] The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked.”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:00am
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, FFS, kowtow! The reason there were Jews migrating to Palestine at the time was because they had been suffering pogroms in Christian Europe for decades, especially the Christian theocracy of Tsarist Russia, as well as anti-Semitism such as the Dreyfus incident in supposedly secular and enlightened France…and in less than 15 years after 1926, Germany, supposedly a bastion of Western Christian civilisation and culture would systematically murder millions.
        
        Europeans have no right to point the finger when it comes to “history”, much less imply that the nationalistic Israeli-Palestinian conflict is implacably caused by religion. It may be exploited by religion (on both sides, and also by Christian Dispensationalists), but your analysis is regurgitated Zionist propaganda, designed to make Israel’s Palestinian belligerents appear like crazed zealots to the world, entirely and/or primarily motivated by religion.
        
        But because it doesn’t suit your narrative and prejudices concerning race and religion, you rightly reject that analysis of the Irish Troubles as an inevitable conflict rooted in Martin Luther’s 95 theses in 1517!
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jackie 5 , total causlties in the Middle East- Allied , Turkish , Arab etc was in excess of 2 million,
      
      Allied military losses are placed between 1,000,000 and 1,500,000 including killed, wounded, captured or missing.[citation needed] This includes 353,000 British Empire and French casualties in Gallipoli,[48] 601,000 British Empire casualties in Sinai-Palestine,[49] at least 140,000 Russian casualties in the Caucasus, and 92,000 British Empire casualties in Mesopotamia,[50] as well as additional Russo-British losses in Persia. Most of the British casualties were non-battle casualties; total British battle casualties inflicted by the Ottomans were estimated as 264,000 by Field Marshal Lord Carver.[51] In addition to these were over 11,000 casualties sustained by Italians fighting Ottoman-backed Senussi tribesmen in the first half of 1915 alone, with unknown losses for the Senussi themselves.[52]
      
      Estimates for Ottoman military casualties vary widely, as the disintegration of the Ottoman bureaucracy and government meant 1,565,000 men simply became unaccounted for in the records following the end of the war.[53] The Ottoman official casualty statistics published in 1922 were 325,000 dead (50,000 killed, 35,000 died of wounds, 240,000 died of disease), 400,000 wounded, and an unknown amount of prisoners. The United States War Department used the same killed and wounded figures, and estimated that that 250,000 Ottoman soldiers had gone missing or become prisoners before the end of the war, for a total of 975,000 casualties.[54] American historian Edward
      
      J. Erickson, based on non-published individual World War I campaign histories in the Ottoman Archives, estimated Ottoman military casualties at 1,680,701: 771,844 dead/missing (175,220 killed in action, 68,378 died of wounds, 61,487 missing action, and 466,759 deaths due to disease), 695,375 wounded (total of 763,753 wounded including those who died of wounds and 303,150 actually listed in records; the author assumes these are only the seriously wounded, and estimates the rest), and 145,104 prisoners of war. The very high ratio of disease deaths to combat deaths is attributed to the breakdown of the Ottoman medical services, which resulted in afflictions that would normally be treated after evacuation from the theater in the British army often being fatal in the Ottoman army.[55] Including those who died of disease, 3,515,471 Ottoman troops fell sick during World War 1 ….”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-Eastern_theatre_of_World_War_I#Casualties
      
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      June 16, 2017 1:19pm
      - simpleton1
        
        “It says estimates vary widely” from a country that does not believe its actions of genocide of Armenians.
        Does that include the Turkish troops used on the Armenians?
        
        Ottoman government’s systematic extermination of 1.5 million Armenians…. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
        
        One could say as perhaps those troops had no food and water to spare, and hygiene would have been difficult with dead bodies around, and as attributed to “breakdown of the Ottoman medical services…..Ottoman troops fell sick during World War 1 …”
        A tragic time.
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:22pm
- Huevon
  
  Ironically this state propaganda campaign is fronted by a film director who made his name from a comedy movie about happy-go-lucky dirt poor rural Maori boy with a negligent father. But that stereotype is not racist, because…something.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:07am
  - 4077th
    
    It’s nothing more than the Luvvies in the film and tv industry thinking they have some kind of misguided sense of influence when plainly they don’t. Waititi is little more than a B rate director who’s work lurks on the fringes of mediocre entertainment.
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:44am
    - kowtow
      
      This propaganda was released on both tv3 and rnz as “news”.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:03am
    - Lance
      
      I get that you don’t like his politics, and probably don’t like him.
      But to to call him a B grade director while his career is taking off makes you look like an asshat.
      
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      June 16, 2017 12:23pm
      - 4077th
        
        No, his “movies” are rubbish and at best B rate. My opinion yes, asshat, well that’s your opinion.
        
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        June 16, 2017 1:36pm
  - cmm
    
    The real mugs are us white Mofos that pay for this organised abuse!
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:53am
sooty

Little. One word says it all!
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June 16, 2017 8:11am
- pdm
  
  If you extended to two words, would it be – Very Little?
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:16am
sooty

Here is another little word. Ha haa haaaaaa!
edit spelling mistake.
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June 16, 2017 8:15am
kowtow

Meanwhile in Sweden they’re exporting their newly acquired “multicultural” intolerance.

“Sweden’s security services Säpo estimates that around 300 people travelled to Iraq and Syria to join militant groups between 2012 and 2016.”

“Those born abroad came from a total of 38 different countries, states the report, primarily Northern Africa, the Horn of Africa and the Middle East. However some came from former Yugoslavia and Russia. “In this aspect, it is not a homogenous group but rather a multi-ethnic one,”

No prizes for guessing what the unmentioned common factor is.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170614/these-are-swedens-terror-travellers-in-stats
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June 16, 2017 8:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow , utter BS ,
  
  “Sweden is often misunderstood. But Trump’s views subvert the truth”
  
  Progressives used to think everything in Sweden was perfect; now rightwingers believe it’s a crucible of Muslim violence – despite all evidence to the contrary
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/20/sweden-donald-trump-crime-muslim-immigrants
  
  Debunking the right wing myths about Sweden,
  
  http://europeum.blogactiv.eu/2017/03/01/debunking-the-right-wing-myths-about-Sweden/
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:46am
  - 4077th
    
    Been there to see for yourself have you Stiffy Boi? Thought not…I work with people in Sweden and they regularly share their despair and anger with me. I was there last year and it’s exactly as described in Malmo and many other places. The place is growing ever more dangerous. What is the view like from your ivory tower?
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:52am
Inandout

Nothing on stuff or herald about political poll.
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June 16, 2017 8:24am
- Happychappy
  
  The Herald has had a column up since 7.3opm yesterday. Maybe you did not have a good read.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:31am
  - Inandout
    
    I was obviously looking for a headline. lol
    
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    June 16, 2017 8:47am
    - Happychappy
      
      I see that when you post a fact there is some on here that don’t like it hence the down tick, I am one that is always criticizing the Herald so that is the reason I commented.
      
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      June 16, 2017 8:54am
Happychappy

The only way they will get to Front Page News is to sack their inept Leader and the Unions that installed him will never let that happen.
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June 16, 2017 8:37am
artemisia

Interesting Wellington City Council Smart City project Official Information request from the Council for Civil Liberties via FYI.org.nz. Too early for a response yet. (It is easy to ‘follow’ a request and be emailed updates.)

I write to you in accordance with the LGOIMA to get more information about your Smart City project and the capabilities of the systems you are using to implement it.

We are seeking to get a technical understanding of the system to enable us to be informed and comment on the implications for personal privacy and the enjoyment of civil liberties, such as freedom of expression.

fyi.org.nz/request/6003-technical-details-and-privacy-assessments-for-smart-city-project#incoming-19975
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June 16, 2017 8:45am
Paulus

In Tauranga yesterday was the continuation of Maori Tribal Wars as some Maori do not agree with the formal Agreement made with the Crown a while ago.
So they decided to take to the whakas and stop the shipping in their harbour. Whilst you cannot stop a 55,000 vessel very easy with canoes they “tried”.
And they will be back in greater numbers on Saturday we are told.
It has nothing to do with the harbour or anybody else except a tribal fight between three local tribes.
So once again it shows that tribal warfare has not gone from hundreds of years ago.
There were many hangers on showing that unemployment is rife for those who choose not to work.
It s also reported that some children in the boats were not seen having lifebelts on.
Of course why should they, those in the whaka are big overweight warriors so they do not have to wear lifejackets despite the laws stipulating such.
Sadly it is pathetic that they choose to upset the largest port in the country by puerile action.
Finlayson has said that he has fully signed agreements, so like nearly all Maori TOW settlements it is alright except for me me me.
Lest they not forget the Rena – although settled it still goes on tribe by tribe for more shares of the more money.
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June 16, 2017 8:46am
- sam green
  
  Waka – the word is waka.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:21am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    wh pronounced f
    ak pronounced uck
    a pronouned a or er
    
    There you have it…
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:01am
    - KevOB
      
      In my youth the “h” in “wh” was silent.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:41am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Mine too…
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:18pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    pig-shit ignorant remains pig-shit ignorant no matter how you choose to pronounce it
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:12am
    - sam green
      
      The word is still waka.
      
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      June 16, 2017 3:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That may well be now… but the word has been variously spelt…
        as: hewaca, e-waka, e’wakka, wa-kaw, walker, wauka, whacka and whaka.
        
        p. 886: The Dictionary of NZ English
        
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        June 16, 2017 5:59pm
PJ39

The MSM are sure building up to full election mode. More poor pimping, surveys proving we live in a shithole, Campbell and Latta on TV. It is all a bit vomit inducing!
“Whatever we say, the polls don’t move”
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June 16, 2017 8:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  I caught the last 5 minutes of that Campbell and Latta gig last night. It was a rather grim televised encounter session for fragile social justice types. Mind you, the bone carvings were pretty impressive. But can we have our money back?
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:04am
  - Kimbo
    
    Latta whinged about the supposed waste of $26million for the flag referendum, but I’d suggest that did contribute to a genuine national “conversation” (and I’ll use that word, even though I loathe how it is used by propagandists to try and make it seem like they are not manipulating the conclusion to their pre-determined conclusion)
    
    …whereas any “takeouts” from the $1million+ wasted on him and Campbell prancing and preening and looking earnest and emoting on the tele will be forgotten by…next Monday.
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh no, I’m about to lose my bedtime buddy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11876777
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June 16, 2017 8:53am
- KevOB
  
  It is understood that RNZ has teed up a much younger replacement than the septuagenarian Scott. [NZ Herald]
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:24am
- journo
  
  He’s always had that idiosyncratic touch where you’re never quite sure what he’ll say next as he sort of mulls things over.
  Nice guy. Once had a pleasant bush meal with him and Barry Crump in the heart of the Urewera to launch one of Crump’s books.
  The experience was somewhat soured by most of our group being hit that evening by heavy food poisoning. Spent the night throwing up. In Opotiki, too.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:52am
cmm

The MSM are scum. They play silly-buggers with serious matters to try manipulate the agenda.

Take suicide:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93705446/unicef-releases-damning-child-welfare-report

Bullshit fact 1: “New Zealand has topped the global teen suicide rankings, again.”

NZ has not topped the suicide ranking and it never has.

It is only when you dig deeper that you see they only look at OECD and EU.

Bullshit fact 2: They use a white boy as the poster child for the article.

Fact is that Maori have at least 50% higher suicide rate than non-Maori.

Bullshit 3: They fail to report the slow downward trend since 2000.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Health/suicide.aspx#anchor5

Unicef: Yet another advocacy/agitator agency that used to do good stuff.
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June 16, 2017 8:54am
Manolo

Even our multiculturalist would agree:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/jihadism-and-the-death-cult/

Deradicalisation programs ignore a jihadist philosophy that combines a Salafist stream of Islam with a Western nihilistic counter-culture to create a powerful cultic appeal amongst young, diasporic, second-generation Muslims.

Rather than confront the Islamist death cult that considers the killing of the kuffar who ‘take protectors other than Allah’ permissible, a deluded European political class expends itself in vacuous pronouncements of hope over hate, and enhanced counter-extremism measures. This is the way civilisations die, not with a bang, but a morally relativist whimper.
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June 16, 2017 8:58am
VicParking

Bill English has shot himself in both feet over the Anti Israel UN resolution. He’s hoping it will just slip away but I feel it will follow him into opposition and then retirement.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-says-it-stands-behind-anti-settlement-un-motion/
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June 16, 2017 8:58am
- Manolo
  
  The malign influence of the woeful and departed Murray McCully all over this.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:03am
- cmm
  
  Nobody reads Times Of Israel.
  
  Anyone that cares sees that English has got rid of McCully and is rebuilding the situation.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:11am
  - Kimbo
    
    McCully was already retiring when UNSC2334 came up in the Security Council. But yes, it certainly helps the ~~Israelis~~ Netanyahu claim some sort of moral victory that he is no longer there, and made it easier for him to move on…
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:19am
  - Lance
    
    Agreed
    The newspaper in Israel is the Jerusalem Post
    
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    June 16, 2017 12:28pm
- Kimbo
  
  (Bill English)’s hoping it will just slip away…
  
  As indeed it has, and normal relations with the Israelis haves resumed…just as they did after a distancing and cool-down period after the Mossad-agents-Kiwi-passports affair. As should be the case in New Zealand-Israeli affairs.
  
  We have not apologised for co-sponsoring UNSC2334, but rather expressed our regret that it damaged our relationship with Israel. Netanyahu has taken that as a diplomatic face-saving exercise that he can show to the Likud and other hard-liners…and we all get on with life. Only shills being cranked up by ~~Whale Oil~~ Likud’s embedded New Zealand press officer who are now trying to make something of it.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:11am
  - Happychappy
    
    The Media and blubber oil have trying to make this a issue for months and as the Polls have told you the public do not care or want to listen.
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      But Israeli shekels and/or treating – as well as Cam’s honest yet obsessive opinion – dictates he has to have something to fill his blog, other than three or four variations a day on “The Muslims are coming!”
      
      The halcyon days of 2014 seem like a long time ago for Whale Oil…
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:32am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Indeed. The blog even seems to be shilling for Peters these days.
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:03am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        You forgot the endless subscription ‘opportunities’ and over priced tacky merchandising offers.
        
        Best part of the site is the cat videos and other dumb shit things at the end of the day
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:16am
      - Kimbo
        
        I still like his photo and map of the day. Good info for Pub Quiz nights…
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:17am
      - Paulus
        
        Israel is one of WO’s unhealthy obsessions along with the National Government and with Colin Craig.
        But it is his blog so he can say whatever he likes to his followers who appear to be diminishing numerically unlike Kiwiblog which has neither obsessions or censorship.
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:12pm
    - VicParking
      
      Your wrong , our beloved WO has said that he won’t be voting National because of UNSC2334.
      Who is WO I here you say…….
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        So you, Spanish Bride, and Cam make three, plus about another 100 or so sheep (is that the size of his commentariat nowadays, after his purges?)
        
        Not much of an (‘scuse the pun) exodus…
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:07am
- pdm
  
  It may not take him into opposition this year due to the incompetence of what else is on offer. However, it is going to cost him votes – no doubt about that.
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:41am
Manolo

Food for thought (and a monumental truth):
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/riding-the-multiculti-wave/

However, the second wave of multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster for not only Australia and Britain, but also much of Europe.

This is the wave of immigrants and refugees who have poured out of the Islamic hell-holes of the Middle East, Africa and Asia over the last few decades, bringing with them a political ideology disguised as a religion that has no interest in integration, but only wishes to leech off the generous welfare and political freedoms of the West.
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June 16, 2017 9:01am
cmm

The biggest loser in all this is Jacinda. 6% to 10% to 6% in one month.

When they dusted her off and brought her into the limelight she dazzled for about 23 seconds, before popping like a no-name-brand light bulb.

Stupid buggers should have done that just two days before the election. That would have helped. Doing it now wasted the moment and makes people realise how gloomy Labour really is.
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June 16, 2017 9:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Expect a full frontal dental assault by the womens’ magazines between now and September.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:38am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, but the problem for Jacinda is that there is now political competition in that market that will at the least dissipate, fracture and side-track attention:
    
    http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/current-affairs/hayley-holt-green-party-alcohol-32351
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:42am
    - Rich Prick
      
      That’s true, but just listen to the new Greens spout the leftie liberal buzz-words and phrases. It undoes all of the visual appeal.
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:11am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Has anyone else noticed that Jacinda looks very tired and drawn these days, she seems to be having a great deal of trouble getting a good nights sleep and it is showing. Sincerely, I hope you are not unwell Jacinda.
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:59am
      - cmm
        
        I think she’s just having one of those “Oh God, last night I shouldn’t have drunk two bottle of wine and gone on the pull” moments.
        
        She’s 36, eggs are ticking, backed the wrong horse, no career to speak of and her popularity is already waining.
        
        She’s now at that point in life where she either doubles down and commits to a barren future: no kids, no real success or goes for motherhood and maybe comes back to politics in 15 years.
        
        For her sake I hope she makes the right decision.
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:05pm
      - RF
        
        It would not surprise me to see her leave politics.
        
        She is unable to handle stress and the anti angry talk is getting her down.
        
        The next few months will be a depressing time for her.
        
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        June 16, 2017 1:04pm
      - Paulus
        
        Surely not with that hunk of a TV boyfriend !
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:14pm
    - 4077th
      
      I took the time to watch the video and grimaced through the whole thing. She is a class A airhead.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:15am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    It starts on Monday in Next magazine
    
    http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/current-affairs/jacinda-ardern-labour-deputy-leader-personal-story-in-next-32958
    
    Interesting timing. The regulated period for election advertising begins next Friday, when parties and candidates must account for every dollar spent. But this puff piece comes out five days before the start of the regulated period. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:06am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Jeepers. That’s a shocker. I don’t read womens’ magazines. Are they all about feelings, emotions and looking pretty?
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        looking pretty
        
        I think she’s nice looking au naturel.
        
        The volume of make-up slathered onto her face in Next’s pics is pretty disturbing.
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:31am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Rich Prick
        
        I don’t read womens’ magazines. Are they all about feelings, emotions and looking pretty?
        
        Having on some occasions not pre-planned my reading material for the hiatus in the doctor’s waiting room, and after getting desperate for any mental stimulation, I can confirm, other than the occasional useful recipe (most of ’em are recycling the same stuff but swap in dates/apricots/avacado to make them seem different)…yes.
        
        But look on the bright side – if that is where Mrs Rich Prick gets her “feelings, emotions and looking pretty” fix, then less ~~wasting your time~~ cultivating your relationship you have to do. 😉
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:39am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Is she doing all this shit on my dime?
        
        Or does she do it on Saturday afternoons when still charging the expenses to my dime no doubt
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:20am
      - cmm
        
        They’ll need a 16-core CPU for the photo-shopping.
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:25am
      - Rich Prick
        
        They’ve still got the one they used for Helen. It has capacity in spades for this job.
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:51am
      - cmm
        
        And the women’s mags are printed on shiny paper so they’re hopeless for cleaning up after the puppy.
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:07pm
virtualmark

Interesting development in the States that’s not (yet) got a lot of attention. The US Senate has voted 97-2 to pass a law limiting Trump’s ability to adjust the sanctions on Russia.

There are two obvious takeaways:
1. The Senate, including the Senate Republicans, now clearly believe there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and
2. This is the first time the House Republicans have been prepared to move against Trump.
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June 16, 2017 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  The civil war is hastening.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  Or they’re all shit scared to be accused by the lying media of being pro Russia.This has become a witch hunt ,moral panic.
  Who were the 2 brave souls who voted against?
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:25am
  - KevOB
    
    It seems the predominant requirement to be a member of either Congress or Senate is to have private paymasters.
    
    Maintaining a hostile profile re Russsia keeps the military business profitable.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:51am
  - virtualmark
    
    kowtow,
    
    The easy path for “shit scared” Senators would have been to have no such legislation at all.
    
    Remember that the core “collusion” allegations are that the Russians hacked the Democrats, and Trump’s campaign said “Go ahead, and in return we’ll help you with sanctions”. The allegation is that when Manafort, Sessions, Flynn etc were talking with Kisylak and the other Russians it was to assure them a Trump administration would weaken the sanctions regime.
    
    That the Senate thinks it needs to over-rule Trump on sanctions very strongly suggests:
    * They have seen evidence which shows the alleged collusion happened,
    * They believe that Trump then has intents to weaken the sanctions regime,
    * Politically the Republican senators can’t be seen to be confirming Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russians,
    * But behind the scenes they have removed Trump’s ability to fulfil his side of the deal with the Russians.
    
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    June 16, 2017 4:09pm
  - cha
    
    Who were the 2 brave souls who voted against?
    
    Sanders and Paul.
    
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    June 16, 2017 4:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

THE BRITISH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DISASTER …

Battery farms in the sky: Starting in the Fifties, the people who thought they knew best built multi-storey monstrosities. With the same disdain they forced others to live in them, writes RICHARD PENDLEBURY … UK Daily Mail
… h/t GF …

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605604/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Towers-battery-farms-sky.html#ixzz4k4i7MTSN

They were to be Britain’s ‘streets in the sky’, bringing futuristic home comforts to former slum-dwellers and Blitz survivors.

Some 6,500 local authority tower blocks were built in their post-World War II heyday.

But many proved to be high-rise dead-ends. And, in the very worst cases, death-traps.

The Grenfell Tower inferno is the latest tragedy in the troubled history of British multi-storey living. That it has occurred as we are witnessing a sharp revival in the construction of sky-scraping apartment blocks is a timely reminder of the hazards they can present. … read more via hyperlink above …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4

… MEANTIME … IN AMERICA …

HAPPY 70th BIRTHDAY LEVITTOWN … 1947 MODERN SUBURBIA IS BORN’ …

… Housing should not cost more than 3.0 times annual household incomes with sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times … thanks to entrepreneurs Bill and Alfred Levitt … refer Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys Schedule … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlnning.org

Levittown history in photos | Newsday
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/levittown-history-in-photos-1.13458781#1

In 1947, William Levitt of Levitt & Sons began building mass-produced, affordable housing for veterans returning from WWII. Island Trees, or Levittown as it later became known, is widely recognized as the first modern American suburb. Families started moving into the new homes on Oct. 1, 1947.

The area that would become Levittown was formerly a series of potato fields on the Hempstead Plains that were affected by the Golden Nematode, an insect from Europe that destroyed much of the crops at the time. Levitt bought the land for a reduced price and eventually built more than 17,700 homes on the land by utilizing elements borrowed from Henry Ford’s assembly line process. The homes, which sold for just $7,990, included appliances and an expandable attic.

Return to Levittown: a suburban dream turns 60 – BBC News

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15598511
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June 16, 2017 9:10am
- Happychappy
  
  How do you get to implement Kiwi Build Hugh with Labour on 29.4% and your precious Leader on 7%. Who can they clone to stop them becoming extinct.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:34am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Happychappy … I suggest you ask Mr Little.
    
    Consider if Labour, the Greens and New Zealand First go in to coalition.
    
    Check out what NZ Firsts Ron Mark said in the Parliament during the passing of the RMA Amendment legislation back in March..
    
    3 months is an eternity until the election 23 September. No wonder poor Bill English looks a sorry mix of depression and fear on the telly every night.
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:52am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The naughty down-ticking to the National Party consistent postings by the Pure Pavletich above, require me to draw to Kiwibloggers attention the VALUES / PRINCIPLES of the NZ National Party.
      
      Would someone be good enough to draw them to Bill English’s attention please.
      
      It saddens me to see the poor guy looking so fearful and depressed on telly every night.
      
      It is well past time I am made Patron Saint of the NZ National Party.
      
      Our Values – NZ National Party
      
      https://www.national.org.nz/our-values
      
      Our Values
      
      Less debt, more jobs, strong stable government
      
      The National Party has always valued enterprise, hard work and the rewards that go with success. We will continue to aspire to a New Zealand where all New Zealanders can flourish.
      
      We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:
      
      •Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles, and our Sovereign as Head of State
      
      •National and personal security
      
      •Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
      
      •Individual freedom and choice
      
      •Personal Responsibility
      
      •Competitive enterprise and reward for achievement
      
      •Limited government
      
      •Strong families and caring communities
      
      •Sustainable development of our environment
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:06am
      - KevOB
        
        And what have got from the belittling opposition?
        Diversity politics.
        Envy and hate.
        Economic ignorance.
        Inability to form a capable working executive who could take ministerial responsibility for departments.
        Promises without reason.
        Union rule.
        Age old hate of success.
        Three toilets to every block.
        Unbounded enthusiasm for Chinese. (not)
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:01pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        ARE ANY LESSONS BEING LEARNT FROM THE RECENT BRITISH ELECTION ? …
        
        How Teresa May blew a 20+ point poll lead
        by kiwi in america … Kiwiblog …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/how_teresa_may_blew_a_20_point_poll_lead.html
        
        … and via the Institute of Public Affairs in Melbourne … http://www.ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/hey-what-did-i-miss
        
        … extract …
        
        … How bad was the Conservative Party’s performance in the UK election? Whatever you’re thinking, it was worse. Theodore Dalrymple wrote in City Journal that “the election could take Britain back more than 50 years.” In 2016 James Bartholomew wrote this insightful article on how Theresa May was never a conservative.
        
        For in-depth analysis of the UK election, listen to the IPA’s Georgina Downer on the latest episode of The Young IPA Podcast. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        https://www.city-journal.org/html/britains-election-disaster-15247.html
        
        http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/james-bartholomew-theresa-may-is-not-a-conservative/
        
        https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/the-young-ipa-podcast-episode-14-with-georgina-downer/id1213208653?i=1000386326597&mt=2
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:18pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        From MacroBusiness Australia today …
        
        CoreLogic: Housing sentiment is breaking – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/corelogic-housing-sentiment-breaking/
        
        Via CoreLogic:
        
        The Westpac and Melbourne Institute’s consumer sentiment index for June 2017 was released earlier this week. The Index was recorded at 96.2 points which was the lowest monthly reading for the index since April 2016.
        
        When the Consumer Sentiment Index sits below 100 points it means that consumers are more pessimistic than optimistic. The Index has now been recorded below 100 points for seven consecutive months which is the longest run of negative sentiment the Index has seen since January 2015. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:29pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Fireproof cladding that would have prevented Grenfell Tower tragedy ‘would have cost just £5,000 extra’ – and the cheap version that WAS used is BANNED in America … UK Daily Mail
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4609334/Fireproof-cladding-Grenfell-cost-5k-more.html
        
        • Hundreds of aluminium Reynobond panels were installed on Grenfell Tower
        
        • Three panel types – one with flammable plastic core and two are fire-resistant
        
        • Grenfell contractors reportedly chose the cheaper version with the plastic core
        
        • Panel with the plastic core is £22 sq m – £2 cheaper than fire-resistant version
        
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        June 16, 2017 5:09pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Winston and his followers have been saying they will get over 19% for months and three polls have had them stalled below 10% for the time they have been spouting and there is no way Ron Mark will be able to do anything to change that.
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:08am
      - VicParking
        
        All he has to do is change the oil in a tank or two to get them back up to speed.
        PS. I notice he did not come out in defence of the SAS after they published that book. You know the one, down the back in the bargain bin.
        
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        June 16, 2017 11:09am
    - cmm
      
      Consider a Labour, Greens and NZF government…
      
      Labour can hardly keep themselves functioning. It is all quite surprising Little hasn’t been shanked in the last12 months. Everyone hates him. They want someone else, but Jacinda has lost her fairy wand.
      
      Greens… who?? Completely dropped off the radar.
      
      NZF: WP has been deputy PM a couple of times. He’s tired of riding in the bitch seat. He really wants either PM or some huge effective position of power (ie, maybe not PM but eve3ryone dances to his tune anyway).
      
      All up it is so unstable they won’t get anything done. Mean time, National would have woken up and stopped being such slackers. They’d get back on message and come back hungry again in 2020.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:34am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Deluded
      
      #AwwwC-monLaw
      
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      June 16, 2017 12:18pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Density is deadly … as we learnt from the Christchurch earthquake events in particular … and covered within extensive articles at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
  
  Note for starters the Highlighted Articles Section … and too … what the former Chief Urban Planner at the World Bank Alain Bertaud had to say on the front of the 2014 10th Annual Demographia Surveys.
  
  The focus of urban planners must be on affordability and mobility.
  
  Hell … they sure are slow learners.
  
  Mid – 2014, Alain and his delightful wife Marie Agnes visited New Zealand on a highly successful 3 City Speaking Tour … including speaking to them at the Christchurch City Council.
  
  The morons at the Christchurch Council have not learnt a thing … of course.
  
  Check out the central area traffic destruction exercise … as just one example of many.
  
  According to November research released by MBIE … over the past 10 years the average compound employment growth throughout the country has been 1.4% … a QUARTER that in the Christchurch Council Area … a whopping 4 times at adjoining Waimak … and a STRATOSPHERIC 7 times at Selwyn.
  
  People and businesses fleeing idiot politicians and bureaucrats of course.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    Name calling Hugh you are finally lowering your standard to Phil Twyford and his Chinese sounding names and you see where that got him and Labour 29.4% another reason people wont vote Labour.
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:00am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Happy, Liarbore are actually on 26.4% not 29.4%.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:16am
      - Happychappy
        
        Thanks Captain my mistake but was pissed off with Hugh calling people names when people on here have had a crack at me for doing the same to the Green co Leader.
        
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        June 16, 2017 1:24pm
  - cmm
    
    “People and businesses fleeing idiot politicians and bureaucrats of course.”
    
    While you might be onto something, that’s a massive oversimplification.
    
    A lot of people have decided to move out of the city (ie. into Waimak and Selwyn) because these areas offer green-field builds which get you away form the city. That has taken the building from low levels to very high levels.
    
    It is not an apples to apples comparison.
    
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    June 16, 2017 12:12pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Save your pontification on this until the bodies have been recovered Hugh. Show some decency for a change, instead of trying to make political capital on the back of a tragedy.
  
  I don’t often use the “report” feature, but I have on this occasion. I hope others consider doing likewise.
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:09am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … IS THE NATIONAL LED GOVERNMENT LEARNING ANYTHING ? …
    
    Happychappy … When the Christchurch recovery cost about $50 billion when it should have been closer to $20 billion … we Christchurch residents understandably are a tad irate.
    
    I covered some … just some … of the reasons within an Interest Co NZ article back mid 2011 … very early on …
    
    OPINION: Hugh Pavletich accuses Christchurch City Council of blindness, blunders and chain dragging; calls for effective leadership, ‘open land’ policy and bendy zoning. Your view? | interest.co.nz
    
    http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53947/opinion-hugh-pavletich-accuses-christchurch-city-council-blindness-blunders-and-chain-
    
    … then following the 4,500 strong Peoples Protest 1 February 2012, I set the agreed solutions out mid 2012 …
    
    Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm
    
    … and this in the New Zealand Herald 15 September 2010 … just 11 days following the 4 September 2010 earthquake (article since taken down of NZ Herald website) … very very early on …
    
    Earthquake highlights need to open city limits – developer – Business … New Zealand Herald …
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10673448
    
    ‘Sep 15, 2010 – Property developer Hugh Pavletich is arguing for more land around the fringes of Christchurch to be opened for building. – New Zealand …’
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hugh+pavletich&start=20&spf=1497573597592
    
    Gerry Brownlee had chaired the Parliaments Commerce Committee Housing Affordability Inquiry 2007 / 2008 (to help themselves win the 2008 election really) … and was acutely aware of the importance of opening up Christchurch fringe land.
    
    I don’t think Gerry actually read his own report.
    
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    June 16, 2017 1:00pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ‘I don’t think Gerry actually read his own report’
      
      About as many as read your constant reporting, constant endless repetition, constant endless boring one trick pony repetitive reporting
      
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      June 16, 2017 1:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    In the tragic London fire it appears that there is no idea how many people were in the building -it is suggested over 600 at least (in 128 units).
    It is not unusual in Council flats that many of the units, against the agreements, are substantially sublet to capacity, many with itinerant people from many nationalities.
    
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    June 16, 2017 2:20pm
MCos

I see Rex Tillerson is talking about pushing for regime change in Iran.
“Tillerson was asked on Wednesday whether the United States supports regime change inside Iran. He replied in the affirmative, saying that U.S. policy is driven by relying on “elements inside of Iran” to bring about “peaceful transition of that government.””
What’s that supposed to mean?
https://thinkprogress.org/tillerson-calls-for-regime-change-in-iran-ad2ded82f945
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June 16, 2017 9:13am
- KevOB
  
  Oh no! Not another American global war adventure.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:30am
Huevon

The Handmaid’s Tale…i watched a couple of episodes and that’s all I need to see.

Liberals really do seem to believe this crap.
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June 16, 2017 9:25am
- dime
  
  yeah i have only seen the pilot.
  
  youd think it would be like porn to “liberals” – an all powerful govt, assinging girls to males. would make it much easier for their beta kind
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:29am
  - sam green
    
    It was written in 1985 by Margaret Attwood.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:25am
    - Lance
      
      I see by the downtick someone thinks it wasn’t written by Margret Attwood in 1985
      
      Do tell what you know is false with sam green’s simple statement of fact?
      
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      June 16, 2017 3:50pm
      - artemisia
        
        Because it wasn’t written by Margaret Attwood?
        
        It was written by Margaret Atwood.
        
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        June 16, 2017 4:05pm
      - sam green
        
        It was written in 1985 by Margaret Atwood.
        
        There ya go.
        
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        June 16, 2017 5:25pm
      - Nermal
        
        Do you feel the burn?
        
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        June 17, 2017 3:39pm
- 4077th
  
  I have admittedly binge-watched several excellent Netflix dramas and doco’s. I have been tempted to watch The Handmaid but now won’t bother. I can recommend “The Keepers” as excellent viewing followed closely by “Bloodline”, “River” and “House of Cards”. I also recommend “The Farm” for a bit of rare clever comedy. If you have Lightbox, must view drama is “Wallander” and “Damages”.
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:54pm
  - Nermal
    
    Actually it’s a great series. Just change the ruling class from Fundamentalist Christian to Fundamentalist Muslim and it suddenly becomes very believable.
    I fear fundamentalists of all religions, as most appear to want to enforce their views on the rest of us.
    
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    June 17, 2017 3:44pm
Manolo

An indictment on violent Islam:
The soul searching and hand wringing that has gone on in the Western media in the past few months has been almost as sickening as the terrorist atrocities themselves.

Every time there is another ghastly rampage by Muslim fanatics, politicians and Muslim leaders trot out the party line that Islam is a religion of peace. This is simply not true at the present time. Islam is a religion at war with itself and with the world in general.

https://spectator.com.au/2017/06/the-incompatability-of-islam/
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June 16, 2017 9:42am
- Jack5
  
  Manolo, this contrasts with the expressed views of Kathryn Ryan and veteran Auckland journalist (“Dr” – of communications) Gavin Ellis.
  
  In their chat on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme on Tuesday they advocated the media split edit reports about Islamic terrorist attracks so that there is no mention of “Islam”.
  
  Ellis quoted an American academic who condemned the lack of “contextualising” these reports. He suggested media shouldn’t use phrases such as, “This is for Allah”.
  
  Ellis spoke of tendencies to “villify Islam”.
  
  He wants a “uniformity of coverage” of terrorist incidents.
  
  Ryan questioned the high placement in news bulletins of reports on Islamic-extremist attacks (she didn’t call them that at course).
  
  I find it chilling when a State media outlet treats freedom of speech like this.
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201847324
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops, edit: In their chat on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme on Tuesday they advocated the media edit reports.
    
    Sorry about that.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:32am
labrator

If you’re going to try and kill five people with your car, make sure you do it while starving yourself for religious reasons, then you just get a few years in jail…
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June 16, 2017 9:48am
Manolo

Taking the NYT to task:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448664/new-york-times-steve-scalise-shameful-editorial

The New York Times published its editorial in response to yesterday’s vicious, violent, and explicitly political attack on Congressional Republicans — an attack that wounded four and left Representative Steve Scalise in critical condition in a Washington-area hospital — and it is abhorrent. It is extraordinarily cruel, vicious, and — above all — dishonest.

The editorial doesn’t just twist the truth to advance the board’s preferred narratives; it may even be libelous, a term I choose carefully.
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June 16, 2017 10:17am
- KevOB
  
  Legal action is being considered about the likely libel.
  
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  June 16, 2017 12:06pm
  - KevOB
    
    The allegation has now been formally retracted.
    
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    June 16, 2017 5:57pm
Reid

The Truth About the Shooting of Congressman Scalise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHrKoEFBszA

and

Rep. Jack Bergman: Media ‘complicit’ in spread of hateful rhetoric that led to congressional baseball shooting

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rep-jack-bergman-media-complicit-in-spread-of-hateful-rhetoric-that-led-to-congressional-baseball-shooting/article/2626002

I told you that just after the election – the day after – that Killary and Bill attended a Washington hotel to announce the launch of the Purple Revolution sponsored by Soros.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/11/clintons-and-soros-launch-america-purple-revolution.html

Soros uses a tried and tested tactic for all the revolutions he sponsors. He is the one behind all the colour revolutions, the Arab Springs, Ukraine and others. It’s always the same formula. One of the elements is the use of the media to arouse the useful idiots. Which is what just happened yesterday.

This summer you will see riots in cities across the US. You will almost certainly see deaths, which the media will blame on over-zealous enforcement but will almost certainly be caused by paid agitators – remember the snipers in Maidan? The media will tell you these are spontaneous uprisings, they are not.

This is the formula Soros has used time and time and time again.

You wait and see.
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June 16, 2017 10:24am
- VicParking
  
  Not fake news here, it was all Sarah Palins fault.
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/15/new-york-times-corrects-fake-news-editorial-blaming-sarah-palin-shooting/
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:13am
- Paulus
  
  Soros was one of Hillary’s leading financiers – it is believed that he lost over a $Billion on the election of Trump (really the loss of Hillary).
  Now that he is Chelsea Clinton’s Uncle by Marriage he will be able to buy her a Democratic New York seat in the not too distant future.
  Along with the Clinton Foundation wherever the money is hidden – Chelsea is a (the) signatory of the funds even if some of those who gave still want their money back.
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:27pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  “None are so blind as those who will not see”
  
  When will the sheeple ever wake up Reid?
  
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  June 16, 2017 7:26pm
Manolo

How do you explain this, Mamma Merkel and stephieboy?
Sex offences committed by migrants in Germany have doubled to more than 3,000 in a single year, official figures have shown.

A new report issued by the German Government states that there were 3,404 sex crimes involving migrants last year compared with 1,683 in 2015. The crimes range from less serious crimes up to rape.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605624/Sex-crimes-migrants-soar-Germany.html#ixzz4k72Aw4oY
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June 16, 2017 10:24am
- RalphT
  
  Manolo, please use the correct terminology; these were not sex crimes, merely sexual emergencies. And as we know the German authorities do not regard them as serious offences.
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , the claims by the Daily Mail were linked to this alt right rag site .
  
  It gives you the flavour of where they and you are coming from,
  
  https://heatst.com/politics/
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No stephieboy,
    
    The figures come from the German Interior Ministry.
    “Crimes committed by [asylum-seeking] immigrants saw a disproportionate increase last year — there’s nothing there we can gloss over,” said German Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière. He said when it came to violent crimes there were “about 90 per cent more immigrant suspects in 2016” than in the prior year.
    
    https://www.ft.com/content/b5a8867e-28ea-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c?mhq5j=e2
    
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    June 16, 2017 10:52am
    - Manolo
      
      Facts and figures do not matter. stephieboy cannot see because he does not want to see.
      
      As a pious Muslim he will never accept the violent nature of the religion he professes.
      
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      June 16, 2017 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy Wassilieff , yes that is true ,but it is how those statistics are interpreted and easily misconstrued by” towel “head bashers like yourself .
      
      Interesting we don’t have similar alleged rampaging behaviour from our Muslim refugees and immigrants .
      
      I wonder why ?
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:24am
- Longknives
  
  Well if those attractive young German Girls would cover themselves Head to Toe with a Black Garbage Bag (as the Koran dictates) they wouldn’t get raped now would they?
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Makes a great disguise though.
    
    “Horrifying moment ‘man disguised in a burka lures schoolboy, 11, away from his mosque to rape and murder him’ in Abu Dhabi”
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4602474/Moment-man-burka-lures-schoolboy-death.html
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:32am
  - Paulus
    
    But that allows men to get into the habit !
    
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    June 16, 2017 2:28pm
- Inandout
  
  The German males have obviously been desexed to allow these things to continue. Or were German males always like that?
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:11am
  - Reid
    
    No, only since the Holohoax propaganda reared its ugly head and reduced them to hand-wringing guilt-racked nancies.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:33am
Ross12

I don’t know much about how the French electoral system works so could someone who does, please comment / explain this post from another site. It was in response to a comment saying the French got what they voted for in an article about the new government apparently attempting to suppress media freedom.

“Wait a minute, less than half of the French people voted for him, and only around 16% of them voted for his party last Sunday.
Though that is apparently enough to give them 400+ seats.
Weird place, France.”
PS. The “him” is obviously Macron
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June 16, 2017 10:32am
- simpleton1
  
  I do not understand the system either.
  
  It is said that there was a 50% ‘abstention’ rate.
  One department was as low as 25%, which the Macron candidate was elected, as he got over 50% in this first round.
  
  To go through to the next round you must get over 12.5% of the registered voting.
  
  Then sometimes to block some-one, one of the candidates may step down.
  
  Well the ‘non voters’ will be able to go on protest; seems to be the tradition?.
  
  Hard to figure whether French are fussy voters, or it is all a “dog’s breakfast”.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Kiwibloggers

I am indebted to the medically trained amongst you…
to my list of debilitating conditions (menopausal, mad, deranged, senile, saggy little tits, schizophrenic affective disease) that have all been diagnosed and published here, you can now add convulsions….

thanks to a diagnosis from Dr stephieboy
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_16_june_2017.html#comment-1951178.
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June 16, 2017 11:05am
- RalphT
  
  Maggie, sorry to hear of your affliction, but if it has been diagnosed by Dr Stephie then indeed you must be on borrowed time; as we all know he is never wrong about anything.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:12am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A new low from Stephieboy. He and Hugh seem to be in a race for the naughty step this morning.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:23am
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, you’re not alone. The ravings of the Stephiestani trolls have many of us in convulsions.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:29am
- journo
  
  Don’t shuffle off yet, Maggy. We need the Sage of Titirangi.
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:34am
- Rachael Membery
  
  You ‘go girl’ lol
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:19pm
Rodney Randall

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/FINAL-Foreign-Terrorist-Attacks-Paper.pdf

http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org

Foreign Terrorist Attacks
By The Islamic State,
2002-2016

Outstanding Research/Data

Thwarted attacks listed as well

Few more to pop on the list now!
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June 16, 2017 11:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

For stephieboy

A list of some people who have suffered convulsions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_epilepsy

I don’t know what your problem is with people having convulsions….lots of folks get them, for various reasons.
I’ve never had a convulsion…. but my eldest daughter did once as a young child – a febrile fit.
Gosh it was soooooo funny, LOL, LOL,
LULZ.

(I do assure you, the last sentence is ironic)
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June 16, 2017 11:34am
- Manolo
  
  Our Muslim friend and multiculturist seems to be plumbing new depths when it comes to personal attacks. Do not be uncivil, stephieboy!
  
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  June 16, 2017 11:37am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hopefully our host has passed all his details on to the SIS so he can be addded to the watch list.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:43am
Stars And Stripes

Tamariki health research gets $900k funding boost
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/333164/tamariki-health-research-gets-900k-funding-boost.
“About half of all young Māori children admitted to hospital in Waikato return within six months, a local doctor in charge of a new study says.
Some of the families are very difficult to engage with, even for Māori support workers,” he said.
It goes right back to a history of oppression and a history of being let down, of not trusting”.

Okay that explains that then as here I was thinking that some other factors like lack of parental responsibility and priorities might have been factors.
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June 16, 2017 11:36am
Fletch

‘Green’ rules in the U.K helped turn that tower block into a towering inferno.

London’s Grenfell Tower was made worse by government “green energy requirements” that allowed fire to rapidly engulf the building Wednesday, leaving at least 17 people dead and scores more wounded or missing.

While it’s unknown what sparked the fire, experts say that the cladding, or exterior insulation, created a chimney effect through which the fire rapidly spread upwards. The cladding was added to Grenfell’s exterior in 2015 as part of a $12.8 million retrofit.

“I have never seen a fire that has engulfed an entire building like this in a career of more than 30 years,” Matt Wrack, who heads the Fire Brigades Union, told The Telegraph.

“It could be that this is the quest for sustainability trumping other concerns,” echoed Dr. Jim Glockling of the Fire Protection Association.

“There has been an emerging body of evidence surrounding some of the materials being used and now we have an appalling demonstration of what can happen,” Glockling said.

The Telegraph noted that cladding “is used as an insulation to make buildings more sustainable to meet green energy requirements.” Some 30,000 buildings in the U.K. have been retrofitted with cladding to cheaply comply with green energy mandates.

Grenfell Tower became more energy efficient, but the space between the cladding and the building increased the potential damage from fires, leaving hundreds of residents at the fire’s mercy.

“There were explosions everywhere you looked, lots of bangs, blue gas coming out everywhere you looked,” Mickey Paramasivan told The Telegraph.

“About 12 floors up I saw three children waving from a window and then there was just an explosion and they disappeared,” he said. “They were three kids, they were banging on the windows, you could see their silhouettes and then bang, it just went up.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/deadly-london-tower-fire-fueled-by-green-energy-rules/

Thanks, greenies…. 😐
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June 16, 2017 11:53am
- sam green
  
  Cheap and nasty shot.
  
  The Daily Caller – that bastion of fair reportage.
  
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  June 16, 2017 12:19pm
  - Fletch
    
    There are links within the article to news stories about the cladding. Are you saying the story is not true?
    
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    June 16, 2017 12:32pm
    - Fletch
      
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3800401/grenfell-tower-cladding-fires-world-high-rise/
      
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      June 16, 2017 12:35pm
      - Reid
        
        Snap Fletch:
        
        Comprehensive report on the cladding used in the London tower block fire.
        
        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3800401/grenfell-tower-cladding-fires-world-high-rise/
        
        They’ve been installed all over the UK and the world and they’ve been involved in fires in Dubai and Melbourne which gutted the towers.
        
        “They are often being introduced on the back of the sustainability agenda..”
        
        So this is like the CFR lightbulbs. Did you know those are filled with mercury. If one breaks, you need to evacuate the room for half an hour to give the vapours a chance to dissipate, and do not cut yourself on the glass, as you will get a horrific infection from it. And this is what the lefties are wanting to make compulsory.
        
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        June 16, 2017 12:39pm
      - sam green
        
        Not what I’m saying at all. The cladding obviously fuelled the flames. Cheap and nasty shot at “greenies”.
        
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        June 16, 2017 1:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , well , at least so far you haven’t turned the Tower block fire into a nefarious Soros/ Jewish or other related conspiracy .
        
        Mind you , so far !
        
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        June 16, 2017 1:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , the Telegraph link is at best renuous in regard the so called” greenie ” cladding . This was but one of a number of other important factors such as the lack of basic fire safety installations like sprinkler sytems and alarms , evacuation drills etc,
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-inferno-disaster-waiting-happen-concerns-raised/
      
      Possibly what a bit of liberatrian light regulation can do for fire saftey ,
      
      eh ?
      
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      June 16, 2017 1:36pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “renuous”
        
        eh?
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:06pm
      - Ross12
        
        Can we apply the same to the Melbourne building that burnt a couple of years ago, that had the same or similar cladding ?
        
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        June 16, 2017 2:51pm
    - Gabby
      
      Sounds like bullshit felch. Like someone made a cheapass dangerous choice and now they’re shifting the blame.
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:27pm
Manolo

Will this be the reason why mikenmild is taking a break?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-puts-on-a-brave-face-after-bad-poll/ar-BBCJIKz?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Is he lending a hand to Angry Andy’s campaign?

Labour is doing its best to deal with a dreadful poll result which showed it losing support and trailing National by more than 20 points.

The Newshub Reid Research poll, released on Thursday, gave National 47.4%t against Labour’s 26.4 – a 4.4 point drop.
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June 16, 2017 11:54am
- Rich Prick
  
  Cindy’s mug is appearing everywhere at the moment. I wonder whether Labour and their media mates have figured out that Mr 7% is voter repellent.
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:00pm
Fletch

Richard Dawkins agrees that religious education is crucial for British schoolchildren.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/11/richard-dawkins-religious-education-crucial-british-schoolchildren/
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June 16, 2017 12:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , surely this highly dubious claim by Dawkins s is for you is the significant part ? ,
  
  “Dawkins, who was promoting his new book Science In The Soul, also warned that Islam was the ‘most evil’ religion in the world, and said that moderate Muslims were the biggest victims of fanatical ideology.”
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:26pm
- SPC
  
  If it is comparative religion and Biblical history and religious history, (in place of) not religious education.
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:28pm
Fletch

James Woods tweets about some of the inflammatory rhetoric of the Left – in this case, Obama.

“Argue with people, get in their face.” “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” – Barack Hussein Obama #AlexandriaShooting

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods)
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June 16, 2017 12:02pm
Peter

The left-wing mindset.

Anyone understand it these days? I recently visited a well know NZ left wing blog, which appears to be populated almost exclusively by clones of Rick off the Young Ones, and the same story just repeats over and over again.

They are “very, very angry” that “neolibs” don’t give enough money to “the poor”. The reason is because “neolibs” are “selfish”

It strikes me that this is much the same stance taken by young girls when they want ponies. Yes, a pony would be nice, but a pony costs a lot of money. Stomping and crying unfair doesn’t produce money. Being more productive produces more money.

They don’t really explain in detail where all this money will come from. They imply it comes from raising taxes, although there doesn’t appear to be any thought given to the negative effect of doing this, namely raising costs might mean they collect less, certainly in the long run.

Is there anything more to it? If there is, I’m struggling to see it.
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June 16, 2017 12:10pm
- Gabby
  
  How’s Hellun?
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:18pm
Keeping Stock

The Daily Mail UK has published photographs of the person whose refrigerator allegedly caught fire with the caption “Pictured: The man ‘whose faulty fridge started Grenfell Tower inferno’ – https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/875352582230863872

Can the media sink any lower than that? Why yes; they can. A reporter rang him up to ask if the fire started in his flat:

Speaking today from emergency accommodation close to the scene of the disaster, Mr Kebede told of his distress at witnessing the very beginning of the inferno, which it is feared to claimed more than 100 lives.

He told MailOnline: ‘I am very upset’. Asked whether the fire started in his flat by MailOnline Mr Kebede replied: ‘I’m busy, I’m busy. Goodbye.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4606078/Man-faulty-fridge-started-Grenfell-Tower-inferno.html#ixzz4k7dDzyst

There are days when the actions of the media disgust me. This is one such day.
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June 16, 2017 12:49pm
- Garbageman
  
  Bloody hell that’s disturbing have they just signed this guys death warrant complete with multiple large glossy photos
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:52pm
Hugh Pavletich

Some of China’s richest and most powerful men have mysteriously vanished … Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-china-billionaires-vanish-20170614-story.html

The financial giant Anbang Insurance Group Co. announced Wednesday that its chairman, Wu Xiaohui, was stepping aside temporarily for “personal reasons” and that he had authorized “relevant senior executives to continue running the business.”

The announcement, which spurred a decline in stocks in which Anbang has significant investment, came just hours after the independent Chinese financial magazine Caijing reported that authorities had detained Wu. … read more via hyperlink above …
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June 16, 2017 1:21pm
- starboard
  
  “argh..tin..foil..hat too……tight”…
  
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  June 16, 2017 4:53pm
- Gabby
  
  That’ll be another foreign trust pulling out then.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:52pm
SPC

DHB’s get 10% cut after budget blunder.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11877501
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June 16, 2017 1:22pm
- rangitoto
  
  No. The budget hasn’t changed. The article says it was divied out in wrong proportions.
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:27pm
  - SPC
    
    But the consequence of the 10% being re-allocated is that 14 of the DHB’s will have less funding.
    
    That is a serious budget blunder.
    
    Notable that $18M was given to bail out the extra spend on the head office building, but no mention of the 14 DHB’s getting any help with the shortfall that is now occurring. Interesting priorities …
    
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    June 16, 2017 1:36pm
    - rangitoto
      
      No. They will get their correct funding.
      
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      June 16, 2017 2:09pm
      - SPC
        
        But will have to change their DHB budget plans/make cut backs.
        
        A lot of administrative time being wasted on matters unrelated to good governance and optimal health practice.
        
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        June 16, 2017 4:06pm
      - SPC
        
        Apparently one DHB is getting $2m less. I am not sure how much of the $438m (across 20 DHB’s an average of $21.9m) it gets, but that change is significant.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93754412/budget-blunder-at-ministry-of-health-sees-millions-clawed-back-from-dhbs
        
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        June 16, 2017 5:18pm
  - Gabby
    
    Who’s the incompetent fart responsible for that? Who can barpbarp Coleman blame?
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:53pm
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

that is some disappointing spin from SPC…….
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June 16, 2017 1:28pm
- SPC
  
  Just checking who is working out of the PM’s office.
  
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  June 16, 2017 1:31pm
Longknives

I’m wondering if Gareth is going to sign up Lisa Lewis, Kylie Guy or one of the Ex-Shortland Street stars next??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/93758330/mika-takes-stand-for-suicide-in-auckland-central-seat-with-gareth-morgans-opportunities-party
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June 16, 2017 1:51pm
- Manolo
  
  What about the rate-bludger. perennial publicity-seeker?
  
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  June 16, 2017 5:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Bevan Chuang: From mistress to clairvoyant
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11877504
“Former Auckland Mayor Len Brown’s ex-mistress, Bevan Chuang, is offering psychic reading services.
She’s sitting opposite me at a small, round table. We’re in a windowless room at a community centre in Mt Roskill”.

No surprises she is operating out of Mt Roskill as it tends to attract low achievers.
Stephieboy should go for a reading and who knows it might even have a happy ending.
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June 16, 2017 1:55pm
- Longknives
  
  That is literally the most magnificent thing I have read in ages!
  Do you think Len Brown and his Lefty mates/supporters go there for a ‘Private Reading’? (The Community Centre may need a mop up after…)
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:15pm
  - sam green
    
    Come on – she’s an equal opportunities rooter.
    
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    June 16, 2017 3:09pm
- Nostradamus
  
  “I can see red and orange and yellow. Warm colours. There’s quite a hot sensation around you, it’s very bright. It’s radiating.”
  
  Who would pay money for this?
  
  Actually, looking at the image of Bevan Chuang with blue hair and a tartan blanket, maybe this is a line of business that Penny could get into? (She already has the dead-cat-on-the head-look sorted…)
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:20pm
- Manolo
  
  Only in Auckland. 🙂
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:20pm
Manolo

Liberals outraged when Putin takes the piss:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/337907-putin-offers-asylum-to-comey

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday offered to give political asylum to former FBI Director James Comey, poking at tensions between Comey and President Trump.

“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said at a press conference, according to Russian state media outlet TASS.
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June 16, 2017 2:09pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4609334/Fireproof-cladding-Grenfell-cost-5k-more.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

“Fireproof cladding that would have prevented Grenfell Tower tragedy ‘would have cost just £5,000 extra’ – and the cheap version that WAS used is BANNED in America”

“Hundreds of Reynobond aluminium coated panels – which are banned in the US over fire safety fears – were fitted to the outside of the London high-rise last year. ”

ALUMINIUM:)
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June 16, 2017 2:14pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Rodney, the Al isn’t the issue, the filling, typically Polystyrene or a related plastic, is. The plastics are highly flammable and the Al covering is inadequate to protect them in a fire.
  
  Pretty obviously the materials are chosen for their lightness (hence easy and cheap to install) and their insulating properties.
  
  Presumably it is possible that the panels burn hot enough to ignite the Aluminium, if so, the that would certainly contribute to the severity of any fire.
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:57pm
  - sam green
    
    This article gives some perspective too.
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-cladding-fire-cause-improve-kensington-block-flats-appearance-blaze-24-storey-west-a7789951.html
    
    Never mind having a go at the “greenies” fletch.
    
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    June 16, 2017 3:17pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Green lobby wanted buildings to be more energy efficient. This usually meant that Planning Approval was more readily granted if the developer implemented Green Tech, often in the form of insulation materials, solar, use of gray water etc etc.
      In this case that good intention has had an unintended consequence in that the cladding used to insulate was a wee bit flammable.
      The Developer usually went along because they need quick approvals. Delays cost money.
      We see a bit of this Green lobbying here but fortunately our standards for buildings are higher.
      So Fletch is right, a Green policy has had an impact.
      
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      June 16, 2017 3:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , back to asbestos lined cladding etc , eh ?
        
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        June 16, 2017 3:38pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        It was the same with the Victorian bushfires. Green policies can be rerally bad for your health.
        
        http://www.smh.com.au/environment/green-ideas-must-take-blame-for-deaths-20090211-84mk.html
        
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        June 16, 2017 3:39pm
      - cha
        
        The aluminum sandwich cladding used, for appearances sake according to Sam’s link, was flammable but the insulation was suitably rated.
        
        Design specifications seen by the Press Association suggest the renovation work carried out at Grenfell Tower included a 50mm “ventilated cavity” next to 150mm of Celotex FR5000 insulation.
        
        This insulation, according to Celotex, has a Class 0 rating under UK building regulations, meaning it has the highest rating for preventing the spread of flames and prevents the spread of heat.
        
        http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fire-why-is-blaze-unprecedented-10915686
        
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        June 16, 2017 3:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        RichPrick , belching brown coal power plants the answer ?
        
        You like A on Red wont mind abit if one or two are built in your neighbourhood being so good for health etc. ,eh ?
        
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        June 16, 2017 3:46pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Hi moron, have a nice day.
        
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        June 16, 2017 3:51pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Not to mention 224 house fires and four deaths with Australia’s home insulation scheme pushed hard for by the Greens.
        
        http://www.news.com.au/national/greens-call-for-return-of-pink-batts-insulation-scheme-after-report-reveals-environmental-and-cost-savings/news-story/c013b4d48e28941f558639417419cb0d
        
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        June 16, 2017 4:13pm
      - sam green
        
        “And that cladding – a low-cost way of improving the front of the building – was chosen in part so that the tower would look better when seen from the conservation areas and luxury flats that surround north Kensington, according to planning documents, as well as to insulate it.”
        
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        June 16, 2017 5:04pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        By all reports Sam, it sounds like they went for the most affordable option (which happens with “affordable housing”) that satisfied the Greenies.
        
        When combined with the Victorian bushfires and the ill-fated Australian insulation scheme, the Greens ought to rename themselves the Charcoal’s. Anyone subscribing to, and trying to comply with their shit
        , ends up toast. Burned toast.
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:14pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        But Tabbitha and Tarquin will tend to their moth farming, bramble gathering, yert building and worm urine recycling bins in Hownslow Central, oblivious to to harm their submissions to Councils on building regulations have had on normal people.
        
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        June 16, 2017 10:36pm
Manolo

Australia’s PM having fun:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-malcolm-turnbull-australia-prime-minister-impersonate-leaked-recording-us-president-a7790881.html
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June 16, 2017 2:34pm
Nostradamus

WTF?

Meet Lactatia: The world’s youngest drag queen

With flaming red hair, eye shadow up to his eyebrows and sass to rival RuPaul’s, eight-year-old Lactatia has become a celebrity among the LGBT community and beyond.
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“Anyone can do what they want in life,” the Montreal local told LGBT in the City. “It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. If you want to be a drag queen and your parents don’t let you, you need new parents. If you want to be a drag queen and your friends don’t let you, you need new friends.”

Fortunately for Lactatia, whose interest in drag began at the age of seven, his parents are in complete support of their son’s decision: His mum helps him with his makeup and takes him to voguing classes and his sister came up with his name.

I guess the basics like literacy and numeracy are less important than diversity.
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June 16, 2017 2:51pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Nice one, getting some really messed up shit to blog about for a Friday afternoon.
  
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  June 16, 2017 2:59pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Why we need to know about this Canadian kid I don’t quite know. But all credit to the Herald, we’re all none the wiser as to which bathroom he feels safest in.
  
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  June 16, 2017 3:25pm
- Gabby
  
  His sister’s really taking the piss. I like her style.
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:09pm
Nostradamus

My Year With Helen: Director Gaylene Preston delighted with world premiere in Sydney

Kiwi director Gaylene Preston says the debut of her latest documentary “couldn’t have been better”. My Year With Helen, which followed former New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark as she unsuccessfully campaigned for the role UN Secretary-General, had its world premiere at the Sydney Film Festival last weekend.

I wonder if Peter was there for the momentous occasion?
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June 16, 2017 3:38pm
- Manolo
  
  I suspect our own mikenmild took a break for a quick trip across the Tasman. He wouldn’t miss this event for the world.
  
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  June 16, 2017 5:24pm
dad4justice

A year with the vile Aunty Helen would drive this Peter to a lifetime in a straight jacket and copious amounts of anti depressants and psychotropic medications. What a horrid creature she is.
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June 16, 2017 4:02pm
Nostradamus

Interview: Helen Clark, Former Prime Minister of New Zealand

EMMA ALBERICI: Finally, what to next? You left that role some seven weeks ago. What are you going to do now?

HELEN CLARK: Well, I think in my life I’ve kept reinventing myself. I started my career as a young university teacher. Then I went into politics for 27-and-a-half years. Then I went to the UN for eight years. And now, I’m not looking for a full-time job. I have quite a lot of things to say, I have a lot of invitations. The diary is full. I have got a lot of things I could write. So I’m just picking and choosing what I want to do. But there is no spare moment.

“The diary is full.” Poor Peter – he doesn’t seem to get a look in!
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June 16, 2017 4:15pm
- dad4justice
  
  No wonder “Poor Peter ” plays at Hagley and LAX.
  
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  June 16, 2017 4:18pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Peter’s peter will be well taken care of by Peter, or some other peter
    
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    June 16, 2017 6:58pm
    - stigie
      
      Peter could be taken care of by 2 Peter’s…..How lovely !~
      
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      June 16, 2017 7:39pm
- Fletch
  
  She could always travel to Cuba and become deputy leader over there. I’m sure she’d love it. Would suit her socialist roots.
  
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  June 16, 2017 4:26pm
- stigie
  
  No wonder Peter is what he is..?
  
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  June 16, 2017 6:29pm
Tookinator

UK Labours answer for the people of Grenfell Tower fire now displaced. Confiscate rich peoples homes…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11877535
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June 16, 2017 4:15pm
Nookin

America’s Cup: Oracle ramp up the psychological warfare

Don’t you get tired of the moronic headlines from the news media. Emirates Team New Zealand probably takes not a blind bit of notice of anything that is said.

All Oracle is doing is winding up a gullible news media and poking the borax at idiot reporters.

Exactly the same applies with the Lions test series with dumb comments such as Gatland keeping Hansen in suspense. I would imagine that the All Black coaches have more than enough to entertain themselves without worrying about what the opposition coach may be up to.
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June 16, 2017 4:17pm
starboard

Beware..hideous,hideous images follow

sorry, Nostys quicker off the mark today..must be the heat here.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/93775273/my-year-with-helen-director-gaylene-preston-delighted-with-world-premiere-in-sydney
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June 16, 2017 4:21pm
- Nostradamus
  
  No worries Starboard. To be fair, mate, you were thoughtful enough to provide a health-and-safety warning!
  
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  June 16, 2017 4:26pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Two things.
  1. United Nations did not want her.
  2. United Nations is more corrupt than her.
  3. You do not have a choice
  
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  June 16, 2017 7:05pm
cha

Pence lawyering up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-pence-idUSKBN1962XX
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June 16, 2017 4:24pm
Nostradamus

Starboard:

Label loved by Gigi Hadid unveils $800 crotchless jeans

The “detachable button down pants” consist of nothing more than two denim trouser legs attached to a waist belt by suspenders, leaving the bottom completely exposed.

Could be a popular fashion trend at Hagley Park!
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June 16, 2017 5:14pm
- dad4justice
  
  Sadly the latest fashion trend at Hagley Park is youth suicide. What a sick country when will it change? Time for action stupid government fucktards! New Zealand is a disgrace to the world!!
  
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  June 16, 2017 5:40pm
  - stigie
    
    You need to get down there Dad and sort some shit out, you could be a role model for the youth that go there !~
    
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    June 16, 2017 6:22pm
    - dad4justice
      
      You try and make a joke of youth suicide stigfly, you are the lowest of the low. Scum of the earth like you are the reason why we are gold medalists at youth suicide! You are filth. New Zealand does not need sickos like you.
      
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      June 16, 2017 6:31pm
      - stigie
        
        Stop ya bitching Dad, get out down to Hagley Park and do something useful !~
        
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        June 16, 2017 6:38pm
      - dad4justice
        
        You are cowardly filth stigfly or should I say bb. F##k off turd.
        
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        June 16, 2017 6:45pm
      - Nermal
        
        Hello, D4J, I remember you, although it was some years back. I see the years haven’t improved your temper, nor have they dimmed your vitriol.
        It also explains why you must have been involved with the Family Court in the first instance.
        
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        June 17, 2017 4:06pm
  - sam green
    
    And what would you do dad?
    
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    June 16, 2017 7:43pm
    - Nookin
      
      Dad’s speciality is ranting, raving and decrying NZ. He does not seem to have made much of a difference, though.
      
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      June 16, 2017 8:19pm
      - dad4justice
        
        I attended the suicide symposium hijacked by homosexuals. Thanks Tim Barnett this is ONE VERY FUCKED UP COUNTRY!! NO WONDER WE ARE WORLD LEADERS IN YOUTH SUICIDE. Who can say they proud to be kiwi ? SICK CESS PIT COUNTRY OF UNCARING SELFISH MORONS.
        
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        June 16, 2017 8:38pm
      - sam green
        
        Ok dad – so you went to a homo conference. So – how did that work out for ya?
        
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        June 16, 2017 9:10pm
    - stigie
      
      Abuse someone sam !~
      
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      June 16, 2017 8:22pm
      - sam green
        
        Ok. Bloody buggery bollocks. (I must cite Edina Monsoon for that one).
        
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        June 16, 2017 9:00pm
- starboard
  
  eeww, not a good look Nosty.
  Reminds me of a pair of jeans mm has ( his mum showed me ) with a zip in the rear.
  Poor old dear, I had to explain a few facts to her about her son.
  
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  June 16, 2017 8:01pm
  - sam green
    
    You’re more a ‘giver’ aye starboard?
    
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    June 16, 2017 9:09pm
    - starboard
      
      its ‘ eh ‘ ..and yes, unlike your good receiving self, I’m a giver.
      
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      June 16, 2017 9:21pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZm75VbQ-WY

Tommy Robinson: Highlights from Manchester “UK Against Hate” march

“I can just imagine the sneering of upperclass liberals as they peer down from their ivory tower. Keep it up Tommy, you’re a true role model”
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June 16, 2017 5:54pm
nasska

I reckon that those blaming the panelling of the London tower block may be barking up the wrong tree.

ACM (Aluminium Composite Material) consists of a polyethylene core sandwiched between two aluminium skins. Various gauges are available but for outside cladding the aluminium sheets would be half a mil each & the core about 5mm.

It is possible for aluminium to burn but unless temperatures are extreme it melts….ever seen a beer can in an incinerator? Polyethylene can combust but does not maintain a flame by itself for long. Normally it melts.

The sheets of ACM may have been fixed in such a way as to give a chimney effect but it is highly unlikely that the material itself is the cause.
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June 16, 2017 6:42pm
- cha
  
  People who knew fucking knew it was going to happen.
  
  https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/
  
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  June 16, 2017 9:03pm
- Gabby
  
  Which core?
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:02pm
- SPC
  
  Yeah na.
  
  Three versions of the Reynobond aluminium panels are produced. Two have fire resistant cores – the third has a flammable plastic core. It is thought the cheaper version, with the plastic sandwiched between metal panels, was used in the Grenfell building.
  
  A salesman for US-based Reynobond told The Times that the panels with the polyethylene (PE) core had been banned in the US for buildings higher than 12 metres.
  
  “It’s because of the fire and smoke spread. The FR [variant] is fire resistant, the PE [is just plastic].”
  
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  June 16, 2017 10:18pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Welcome to “affordable housing”, I hope we have none of that crap here. The next time Angry bangs on about “affordable housing” I hope some one asks him about safe housing.
    
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    June 16, 2017 11:28pm
    - SPC
      
      The thing is …the polyethylene panelling sells for £22 ($37) per square metre. The fire resistant panel retails for $24 ($40), just $3 more.
      
      “A rough calculation suggest panels covered more than 2000 square metres on Grenfell, meaning contractors could have acquired the fire resistant version for less than £5000 ($8500) extra,” The Times reported.
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      So there was little cost saving using the unsafe product, that it was legal in the UK on such a building is the only thing that might save those responsible for its use from prison. Which would mean a whole lot of “ministerial” hurt and government embarrassment.
      
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      June 16, 2017 11:47pm
    - sam green
      
      Let’s blame the left? Let’s blame the right? Stop this shit guys. There’s been a fucking tragedy. Time will deal to the cause.
      
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