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Captain Mainwaring

Well GD’s here, so let’s all wish Stephie a very happy Ramadan, with the hope that starving during the day won’t make him even more grumpy than usual.
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May 30, 2017 9:44am
- Inandout
  
  They seem to commit more crimes during O’Ramadan. Lack of food affects mental capacity in a normal person. In a Muslim….
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:46am
Happychappy

Beautiful morning in the Waikato let’s hope we get a great day.
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May 30, 2017 9:44am
- waikatogirl
  
  Happy, I agree it is going to be a gorgeous autumnal day. One out of the box!
  2 downtickers are obviously hoping the Waikato gets rain instead ☔️
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:12am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Thrilling race for ETNZ this morning. 9 lead changes in 20 minutes and then we won on final leg due to a (wrong) penalty given against Artemis.
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May 30, 2017 9:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  TNZ dodged a bullet there, and will have to sharpen their skill set if they are going to take this thing.
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:52am
- trout
  
  The America Cup rules are quite clear on the infringement by Artimus (don’t get misled by ill informed commentators – the Americas Cup has different rules from international yacht racing)
  ‘A significant difference in the RRSAC is that boats on opposite tacks on a beat to windward are considered “overlapped,” and RRSAC 18 (Mark-Room) applies at a windward mark. Also, “markroom” is room for an inside boat to sail her proper course around the mark, including tacking. In the America’s Cup, the boats pass through a windward gate, leaving the left-hand mark to port and the right-hand mark to starboard. Therefore, when P (Team NZ) and S (Artimus)are in the zone of the left-hand mark, P is the inside boat, and S must give her room to tack and sail her proper course around the mark’.
  In this race Artimus clearly prevented Team NZ from sailing ‘her proper course around the mark’; in effect cut her off and forced a stall.
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:54am
  - Kimbo
    
    the Americas Cup has different rules from <international ~~yacht racing~~ sport
    
    There! Fixed that for ya 😉
    
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    May 30, 2017 9:57am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The Umpires made a statement after the race that upon further review they made the wrong call. So ETNZ were damned lucky.
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:56am
  - Liberty
    
    Looks like the umpires lost their nerve.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:37am
- VicParking
  
  Have you watched it online or on TV. Do you know anything about the rules. Team NZ entered the yellow zone first and therefore Artimis had to give them passage. Slam dunk a foul.
  Do you think you know better than the rules panel who have the video and more important the GPS of each boat. They know to the metre the position of each boat in the race.
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:06am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Artemis gave them enough space to round the mark … in a normal race with conventional yachts. But these hydrofoiling beauties can’t turn as quickly and need a bit more space.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:42pm
- rangitoto
  
  The descision wasn’t wrong. Slater should have kept his trap shut. The descisions are made on the water.
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:55pm
Happychappy

I wonder whether Labour tried to get Clare Trevetts Column pulled from this morning Herald or the editor was was not sure that they would get the right response from encouraging a coup in the Labour Leadership.
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May 30, 2017 9:49am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Such a delight so early in the day.
  
  Susie Ferguson, bless her, gently shoves the misleading budget analysis that are really lies peddled by Little and the labour party up his arse sideways without the benefit of any lube.
  
  ‘Little: ‘I haven’t seen those figures, you just gave them to me now.’
  
  Ferguson: ‘But these are the figures that you gave to us and we have put them into the [budget] calculator.’
  
  For the little things in life there is MasterCard but for the best of stuff ups, there is the labour party; priceless!
  
  In Little’s defence, he did not get shouty, spitty or any of his other usual meltdown traits which is pretty much the only reason to listen to any his ‘financial analyses.’
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201845624/labour-say-budget-s-teenagers-tax-to-hurt-nz-families
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:20am
Odakyu-sen

Here’s a good quote:

“Marrying within family groups is playing Russian Roulette with your children’s gene pool.”

Discuss in relation to :
– IQ
– Agression
– Birth defects
– anything else?
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May 30, 2017 9:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “– anything else?”
  Taranaki?
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:54am
  - Kimbo
    
    and Canterbury!
    
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    May 30, 2017 9:58am
    - Jack5
      
      What about the seven or so canoe loads of folk who arrived and then just intermarried for six or seven centuries.
      
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      May 30, 2017 10:04am
      - Kimbo
        
        Nah, still a more diverse gene pool that the inhabitants of the “four Ships” who continue to inbreed…as evidenced by the over-sized Adam’s Apple that characterises the female gentry of Christchurch. 😉
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:10am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Jack 5, the” Murri” a degenerate race ? How do you explain genetic diversity beginning with the first Celts to emerge in Britian and Gaul ?
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:11am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The advantage of inbreeding in small populations (think of Darwin’s finches of the Galapagos Islands) is that it forces deleterious genes “to the surface of the pool” where selective pressures can “skim them off” and dispose of them.
        
        A somewhat brutal process…
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:23am
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm, On balance a quip about the alleged limited gene pool in Canterbury is downticked, but a similar comment about Maori is approved. Whatever can it mean? Maybe the insights and analysis of a “social constructionism” may be of assistance in explaining the disparity 😉
        
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        May 30, 2017 11:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Now if your islands had selected the fittest and brightest to go forth and multiply, then how do you think things would work out?
        
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        May 30, 2017 11:35am
      - Jack5
        
        It’s popular among us New Zealanders to think only the boldest and fittest left both Europe and the Maori homeland for this country.
        
        But what if it was the less fit and successful who were forced out: for example, those who couldn’t make it Britain and defeated tribesmen in the Maori homeland?
        
        Are we a case of survival of the fittest or an escape hatch for the weaker?
        
        Also, Kimbo, if you are still reading this thread, why is a restricted gene pool necessarily limiting? Genghis Khan’s core soldiers came from the limited gene pool of Mongolia. Long-isolated Japan’s larger but still limited gene pool, hasn’t stopped it from industrial and artistic success. Maori don’t seem to have been limited by their ancestors being in only seven or so voyaging canoes.
        
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        May 30, 2017 2:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Kimbo at 10.10’s “…. the over-sized Adam’s Apple that characterises the female gentry of Christchurch,,,”
        
        ❓ Where are these women, Kimbo? ❓
        
        In Christchurch, do you frequent exclusively restaurants that serve only Himalayan rock salt, and thus endanger their regular customers with goitre?
        
        In the past, strings of pearls on twin sets were supposed to be the brand of Canterbury’s old elite. But now Kimbo tells us the mark of a Canterbury First Ship woman is a overly large Adam’s apple. Or is this some sort of throat fetish of Kimbo’s?
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Has been some twenty years since I had the misfortune to spend a week in the “Village of the Damned” (was a fateful one for my life and then-prospective career/vocation prospects, I might add – but I digress 😉 ),
        
        …but I do acknowledge that an anecdote such as mine is the least reliable form of data 😉
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        Also, Kimbo, if you are still reading this thread, why is a restricted gene pool necessarily limiting? Genghis Khan’s core soldiers came from the limited gene pool of Mongolia. Long-isolated Japan’s larger but still limited gene pool, hasn’t stopped it from industrial and artistic success. Maori don’t seem to have been limited by their ancestors being in only seven or so voyaging canoes.
        
        I think the issue is if the gene pool becomes too limited. I give you, the Hapsburgs:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain
        
        …and just thinking about it, how different would 20th Century history have been if haemophilia and the resulting administrations of Rasputin had not occurred in the family of Tsar Nicholas II?
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        C’mon, Kimbo: digress away (3.10 post).
        
        But re Russia and haemophilia – the Romanovs were doomed with it or without it, and the monarchy was doomed with or without Rasputin.
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Likely true, as Nicholas II was a pious idiot who couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery although Rasputin didn’t help.
        
        And all I will say about my unexpected change in vocation direction is that…I found out then that I am unable to swallow dead rats to work in with pious idiots, especially when they “call you out”. Some Kiwiblog regulars such as Chuck Bird may have discerned this 😉
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Jack5
      
      But what if it was the less fit and successful who were forced out:
      
      I’ve been back to the Island my maternal and paternal grandparents came from…..
      
      Seems remarkably similar to how Boswell & Johnson found it in 1773.
      The inhabitants are remarkably gross, and remarkably neglected: I know not if they are visited by any Minister. The Island, which was once the metropolis of learning and piety, has now no school for education, nor temple for worship, only two inhabitants that can speak English, and not one that can write or read.
      
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      May 30, 2017 4:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, you well know that Johnson was winding up Boswell, as also in:
        
        Scotland is a vile country, though God made it, but we must remember that he made it for Scotsmen, and comparisons are odious, but God also made Hell.
        
        Oats: a grain which in England is generally given to a horse, but in Scotland it supports the people.
        
        Much may be made of a Scotsman, if he is caught young.
        
        The noblest prospect which a Scotman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England.
        
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        May 30, 2017 4:51pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Jack5,
        
        “I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse.” – Charles V
        
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        May 30, 2017 5:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  About 3-10 IQ point reduction on average for cousin marriage, though gets worse if it is a regular thing in your ancestry. But birth defects are way more significant – cousin marriage increases their incidence by 10x (3% of UK births are to Pakistanis, but they produce 30% of children born with genetic illnesses).
  
  On that basis cousin marriage should be either banned or made conditional on the husband getting a vasectomy.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:03am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I agree but where did you get the quote.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:03am
  - Kimbo
    
    Overheard at the Delta in Ngaruawahia, in the course of a Friday-night discussion about the “eccentricities” of one of the locals?
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:05am
- mandk
  
  First cousin marriage is common amongst Pakistanis in the UK.
  
  They account for 3 percent of birth, but 30 percent of children born with a genetic defect.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  Explain genetic diversity beginning with Adam and Eve or with the ancient Hebrews ? ( who forbade marrying outside their religion and race )
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son’s wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex – sometimes on the very days in which they watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:13am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Stephieboy
    
    Diversity beginning with Adam and Eve?
    
    A question asked by a true jew hater and a man with late stage syphilis wouldn’t you say?
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:23am
  - rangitoto
    
    Adam and Eve is a fairy story.
    
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    May 30, 2017 1:10pm
  - Fletch
    
    If you believe in the Bible, then Adam and his descendants had very long life spans. 800 years, 900 years etc. You can have a lot of offspring in 900 years, and your offspring can have many offspring in that time also. I think that puts enough generations between offspring and the offspring of that offspring that one could say that you’re avoiding incest. After all, even today second cousins can legally marry can’t they? What about cousins many times removed?
    
    eg –
    
    but if you look in Genesis 5 –
    
    This is the book of the generations[a] of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. 3 When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
    
    6 When Seth had lived a hundred and five years, he became the father of Enosh. 7 Seth lived after the birth of Enosh eight hundred and seven years, and had other sons and daughters. 8 Thus all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
    
    9 When Enosh had lived ninety years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 Enosh lived after the birth of Kenan eight hundred and fifteen years, and had other sons and daughters. 11 Thus all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
    
    12 When Kenan had lived seventy years, he became the father of Mahal′alel. 13 Kenan lived after the birth of Mahal′alel eight hundred and forty years, and had other sons and daughters. 14 Thus all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
    
    15 When Mahal′alel had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Jared. 16 Mahal′alel lived after the birth of Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and had other sons and daughters. 17 Thus all the days of Mahal′alel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.
    
    18 When Jared had lived a hundred and sixty-two years he became the father of Enoch. 19 Jared lived after the birth of Enoch eight hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 20 Thus all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
    
    21 When Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Methu′selah. 22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu′selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
    
    25 When Methu′selah had lived a hundred and eighty-seven years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 Methu′selah lived after the birth of Lamech seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methu′selah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
    
    28 When Lamech had lived a hundred and eighty-two years, he became the father of a son, 29 and called his name Noah, saying, “Out of the ground which the Lord has cursed this one shall bring us relief from our work and from the toil of our hands.” 30 Lamech lived after the birth of Noah five hundred and ninety-five years, and had other sons and daughters. 31 Thus all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
    
    And yes, I know we don’t live as long these days. Later on in Genesis 6:3, God shortens the days of men –
    
    Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.”
    
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    May 30, 2017 2:34pm
    - RF
      
      I look forward to the prophet Enoch coming back after he was taken away in what scholars believe to be a type of space craft.. possibly a shuttle craft to a mothership.
      
      Erich von Daniken gave me the heads up about this.
      
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      May 30, 2017 9:38pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Simpler times 😉
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Odakyu-sen
  This assumes that the family group are carrying genetic defects.
  
  Now if you are thoroughbreds why risk introducing dodgy genes into your population pool?
  
  (and no stephieboy, don’t consider replying until you’ve read a primer on genetics and animal/plant breeding)
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:28am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maggy,
    
    Every family has a few skeletons in its genotypic closet.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  “Russian” roulette.
  
  More like Pakistani Roulette.
  
  They do it to jump the immigration queue.
  
  More diversity dividend.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:01am
  - Manolo
    
    I always thought Pakistan was a failed state. Now I know why: ruled by the mentally defective.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:11am
  - GoVege
    
    Back in the old country they probably left them on a hillside for wolves to eat.
    In Britain (or any other western nation) the parents get generous lifetime financial support.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:25am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Cousin marriage is pervasive in overpopulated and misogynistic countries like Pakistan (current rate thought to be over 50%) – it keeps assets within a family, and keeping families strong is important when the rule of law is weak.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:18pm
- 4077th
  
  Greymouth
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:07am
- Paulus
  
  It has been know for many many years – it is correctly called “Consanguinity – mixing of blood” in a relationship.
  In the UK this from eastern immigrants have helped to bring the Health Service to it’s knees.
  The incidence of intermarriage has created a serious mental spike and will only get worse.
  Many hundreds of years ago the British kings found that offspring were mad as a consequence.
  If any of this appears familiar we should look at these instances where small communities within the greater Pacific have huge intermarriage incidences over many generations.
  Is this possible why our Mental Health patients have exploded over recent years, with costs out of control, despite a never ending input of more money ?
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some populations carry a heavy genetic load….
    
    other populations don’t
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/theres-nothing-wrong-with-cousins-getting-married-scientists-say-1210072.html
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:39am
- Twinkletoes
  
  Enormous cost to the Health Services.
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:33am
Peter

This sums it up:

https://themarfaproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/tumblr_oj5ykswafh1rvdiwuo1_500.jpg?w=590

It may be my failing memory, but I’m sure the left didn’t used to be like this. There did used to be a political dialogue.

Now if you disagree with them, many will just want to destroy you. Label you as a bad person.

Or was it always like this and I was too naive to notice?
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May 30, 2017 9:54am
zonic

Advice required:
There is a bill in parliament, that they are rushing through to enable them to sell part of a public reserve for housing.
there were a 100+ submissions on the Bill
95%+ were against the Bill as

Local National MP stands up in parliament and says he got alot of feedback and felt “on balance, there is a more pressing need to build 300 more homes for families, and especially for our kids—people who are in need of shelter, warm homes, and clean and modern facilities.” He did not mention, the area is currently waiting for 5K+ houses to be built in the area.

So meanwhile, still waiting to be heard by the whole house the Current running National MP has a public meeting on how work is being done to address window washers at intersections. It was very difficult to raise the “sell part of a public reserve for housing” issue.

Now I always support National. But if this was your electoarate what would you do with your vote?

Are these just career politicians? Or do they really represent their electorate?
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May 30, 2017 10:09am
- Kimbo
  
  Are these just career politicians? Or do they really represent their ~~electorate~~ NIMBYs?
  
  There! Fixed that for ya 😉
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:15am
  - zonic
    
    I disagree it is NIMBYs, this is precedent setting, so affects your back yard too.
    
    So you don’t think they are career politicians, nimbys or not?
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      I disagree with the premise of your question.
      
      Here in West Auckland we have traditionally marvelled at the advantages of being on your side of the city, observing the benefits of having (pre-ward) Councillors and then-ARA members who lived within 1 mile of the Remuera Post Office that limited the development in your “leafy green suburbs” because they were allegedly “special”, while out here we live in a sea of used car lots, and now dramatic in-filling.
      
      But your complaint is not as amusing as the bloke from St Johns who once wrote to the Herald complaining about the noise of the police helicopter overhead at approximately 9:00pm. Mate, is such a familiar sound out here, we can’t get to sleep at night unless we hear it. 😉
      
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      May 30, 2017 10:33am
      - zonic
        
        Maybe I should ask it another way. What is a career politician to you?
        
        To me, it is someone that does not represent their electoarte(nimbys or not), they do what their party tells them…
        
        some more background on point england area. it is a low-socioeconomic area that is awaiting 5k+ houses, that will need green spaces. should they not build these 5k+ first before selling off reserves? its precendent setting as well.
        
        And I hear what you are saying about some complaints…
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        What is a career politician to you?
        
        To me, it is someone that does not represent their electoarte(nimbys or not), they do what their party tells them…
        
        And now you reveal the fallacy of the false dichotomy. It requires a balancing of local, and national and also party concerns. However, as electoral MPs are also party MPs, they are elected in large part due to the party they represent. Which is why they will always be blue in your neck of the woods and red in mine. Hence it is right that they get to discuss and vote on the issue in cabinet and/or caucus, but once the collective decision is made, they are subject to the discipline of their party whips.
        
        Don’t like it? Then put yourself up for election this year as the Independent MP for Tamaki…and see if the issue is as relevant to the locals as you insist.
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:48am
    - Inandout
      
      There are some lovely underused parks in Parnell, Remuera, Epsom etc that would make wonderful housing estates for the poor and dispossessed.
      
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      May 30, 2017 10:35am
      - Kimbo
        
        Which reminds me of the time one of the residents complained that it was unfair to the locals that Mark Stephens, the “Parnell Panther” was paroled to live in the area, when he “belonged” out in South Auckland.
        
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        May 30, 2017 10:38am
- Happychappy
  
  So the people that keep Housing in the Headlines are more concerned about stopping policy to build house’s so they can score points in Election year. If Labour was the party advocating this Land for housing they would be crying wolf if National was opposing it. You can’t hold people to account if you will have to use that same Land to increase housing if you become the Government. Watch and see Labour flip flop.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:27am
  - zonic
    
    I would argue that is polictics and I don’t agree with it. I am sure it will be the same when the shoe is on the other foot.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Being able to see something from your house does not mean you should have control over it, that control comes from ownership.
  
  The job of govt is to serve the best interests of the people and economy of NZ, and most certainly not Nimbys that are a huge drag on NZ’s economy.
  Nimbys preventing housing intensification place huge extra burdens on roading infrastructure that taxpayers have to pay for, not to mention wasting billions of person hours in gridlocked traffic.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:28am
  - zonic
    
    The area is already being intensified. what is being said is that do that intensification first. Then, and only then, should you look at building on public reserves.
    
    That intensification will need that green space. In this particular case I don’t think the govt is serving the “best interests of the people and economy of NZ”
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:34am
- peterwn
  
  That is a trade-off that parties have to make. The Government needs to push forward with facilitating housing but the RMA is stacked in favour of NIMBYs and does not adequately respect the need to house the populous. The Government is faced with losing votes to those who are finding it hard to buy a home or faced with losing the NIMBY vote. The Government is between a rock and a hard place here, whereas the opposition parties (especially the minor ones) can try to be all things to all people.
  So you will probably end up voting for Winston and thus badly compromise the overall good governance of New Zealand.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:29am
  - zonic
    
    some valid points.
    how long has the RMA been around and how many so-called housing crisis have there been? There is always going to be people looking for houses, but there is 2 sides to that coin.
    disagree it being NIMBY in this case, I am okay with intensification, or builing on unused nztranport land, but not with building on public reserves.
    if govt is between rock and a hard place, how did they get there? the blame councils for building/zoning for houses. but govt is responsible for immigration, which I am not against. but they are all equally apart of the problem.
    
    Again building on public reserves is not the answer, in my view. But worse still they throw a T settlement in to further their argument. This is definitely mis-using T-settlement.
    
    And I think all parties are guilty of it, flip flopping or whatever to get votes.
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      how long has the RMA been around
      
      1990
      
      and how many so-called housing crisis have there been?
      
      False dilemma. The application of the RMA has lead to a cumulative problem in Auckland a generation later.
      
      There is always going to be people looking for houses, but there is 2 sides to that coin.
      
      Yes…
      
      disagree it being NIMBY in this case,
      
      …saying it doesn’t necessarily (justified adverb!) make it so.
      
      I am okay with intensification, or builing on unused nztranport land,
      
      Yes…translation: “somewhere else”
      
      but not with building on public reserves.
      
      While I accept that once you develop ’em, they are gone forever, that is just a variation on “we should never sell state assets”. That is bullshit. They are not inviolable, instead, it is a matter of balancing public, social and economic costs and benefits.
      
      Put it this way – what other public parks and spaces are available out that way? I am not that familiar with the area have to get my Westie passport out at the Greenlane interchange before I am allowed to enter East Auckland) but I know of Bastion Point, Orakei Doman, the Mt Wellington War Memorial Reserve (a god forsaken wind-swept place for visitors playing Marist Rugby club), Merton Road and that is just off the top of my head…
      
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      May 30, 2017 11:12am
      - zonic
        
        In no particular order:
        
        The area is already being intensified which I am okay with, but I am still a nimby because I value public reserves?
        
        “False dilemma. The application of the RMA has lead to a cumulative problem in Auckland a generation later.”
        Equally, just because you say it does not make it so.
        
        “balancing public, social and economic costs and benefits.”
        You might think this is so, but I would argue that is short sighted and might be right now but in years to come, the question will be asked, what if.
        
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        May 30, 2017 11:45am
      - Kimbo
        
        We can answer back-and-forth all we want, but some facts so others can be informed and make up their own minds would be a courtesy, indeed even a necessity given your continual stream of questions. So, answer to my question, please – and counting my post below, this will be the third time I’ve asked, so your failure thus far to address it is telling!:
        
        What other public parks and spaces are available out that way? In both the electorate and wider vicinity…
        
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        May 30, 2017 11:51am
      - 4077th
        
        @ Kimbo
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/Point%20England%20Concept%20Images.pdf
        
        I think this is it and it clearly shows plenty of other space.
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ 4077th
        
        Yep, and that’s just on the Western coastline of the Tamaki Estuary! Plenty more parks and rec areas in that area of East Auckland
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:08pm
- VicParking
  
  Its not the number of submissions but their quality.
  These ones were crap
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:15am
  - 4077th
    
    Probably along the lines of, “We don’t want any more houses now that we have just bought a cheap ex-state house in a cheap area and are looking forward to gentrifying this lovely place”.
    
    Long gone is the 1/4 acre standard of the 1960’s. There will always be objections and plenty of NIMBY-ism to contend with. Unfortunately this attitude is firmly ensconced in the RMA to the detriment of progress.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:25am
  - zonic
    
    agree quality is better then quantity, but hopefully quality was achieved with the cumulative affect.
    
    But that is another point in this particular case. the bill was written by govt, and without any public consultation got it 100% right first time. Not one amendment was made. Now you might say they were all crap. fair enough. but I would have thought 5% of people might have a point! But no not this govt, they know best!
    
    Not to mention the clandestine deal they had already done with the iwi to sell them the land. So they done the deal, all the govt had to do now was create the legislation and get it passed. Too easy. They already had the numbers. put T settlement there to make sure of it for the Maori party.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:56am
    - 4077th
      
      Look, I sympathise and agree that at some level there should be (minimal) consultation (wildlife and new park facilities) but for my buck, I am tired of the drawn out bureaucracy we have to endure with these sorts of things. You and I both know Pt England was a shit hole for decades as are some parts now and building a bunch of low cost high density housing will not change that..BUT it has to go somewhere. Using under-utilised council land is a very good way to achieve this. From the plans I’ve seen there is well over 23 hectares of green space available after the completion of the development. That remaining green space is plenty. If there was zero I might be tempted to question the design of the development but not the development in its entirety.
      
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      May 30, 2017 12:37pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I wonder how many of the submissions were photocopies.
    
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    May 30, 2017 1:15pm
- 4077th
  
  Having just returned from Tokyo I can tell you we have more than our fair share of “green spaces”. I am unsure of the exact area of the planned development but I am reasonably sure there are plenty of other “green spaces” for the new inhabitants to enjoy and probably within a 5 minute walk…quite likely a fair few of the new inhabitants could do with a little walk to the park.
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:18am
  - zonic
    
    pleny of green space here
    https://goo.gl/Sa3k9A
    
    with your argument there is probs room to build more houses on auckland domain!
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:26pm
    - 4077th
      
      C’mon zonic, that’s not what your initial argument was. Your concern around consultation is valid but not to the point where these necessary developments get bogged down by NIMBY broomsticks in the spokes of progress. Every city needs a “central park” of sorts and I am not proposing I use your example.
      
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      May 30, 2017 12:43pm
- publicwatchdog
  
  FYI Kiwibloggers.
  
  “30 May 2017
  
  URGENT ‘ Open Letter’ /OIA request to Minister for Building and Contruction Nick Smith regarding the Pt England Development Enabling Bill, from Independent candidate for Tamaki – Penny Bright.
  
  Dear Minister,
  
  BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ/SCR_73903/c3f32f149102b12d9579ec4928427a625f457c5a
  
  ” Point England Development Enabling Bill 223—1
  
  Report of the Local Government and Environment Committee
  
  Purpose of the bill
  
  The Point England Development Enabling Bill seeks to enable a housing development on about a quarter of the Point England Recreation Reserve (11.69 hectares) in Tāmaki, east Auckland.
  
  This land is owned by the Crown and administered by the Auckland Council. It was identified as “under-utilised”, and part of it is fenced off and used for grazing livestock.
  
  A housing development on the reserve would normally be impeded by provisions in the Reserves Act 1977, the Resource Management Act 1991, and the Auckland Unitary Plan.
  
  To allow the land to be developed for housing, the bill would revoke this land’s reserve status under the Reserves Act. The remaining reserve would continue to be protected.
  
  While not specified in the bill, we were advised that the housing development would be used to rehouse some tenants of the Tāmaki Redevelopment Company whose housing is due for redevelopment, and to provide much-needed additional housing in Auckland.
  
  In February 2017, Statistics New Zealand noted that Auckland’s population is predicted to reach two million by 2033.1
  
  We were advised that the new housing development would provide about 300 new houses, of which a proportion is expected to be social and affordable housing.
  
  The exact proportion has not yet been finalised, but we were told that about 40 percent of the houses are likely to fit into these categories.
  …”
  
  _________________________
  
  In my considered opinion, the Local Government and Environment Committee, and the House, have effectively been misled.
  
  In my considered opinion, MPs and the public have been misled, by the effective ‘smoke and mirrors’ exercise that has been carried out, by using similar sounding names for different legal entities regarding the so-called ‘Tamaki Regeneration’, which is actually GENTRIFICATION, and effectively a State-sponsored land grab of public property for private property development.
  
  The ‘Tamaki Redevelopment Company’ (presumably referring to the Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd), actually owns NO houses, and has NO tenants.
  
  2,800 Housing NZ properties were supposed to be transferred to Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd on 31 March 2016.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51DBSCH_SCR68578_1/244291aaab825db7d3685cce7e3ccd49a2a7589e
  
  “2014/15 ANNUAL REVIEW OF TĀMAKI REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED 2
  
  Tāmaki Redevelopment Company Limited Recommendation
  
  The Local Government and Environment Committee has conducted the annual review of the 2014/15 performance and current operations of the Tāmaki Redevelopment Company Limited and recommends that the House take note of its report.
  
  Introduction Tāmaki Redevelopment Company Limited was established in 2012 as an urban redevelopment company.
  
  It is a Crown entity with joint shareholdings by the Crown (59 percent) and the Auckland Council (41 percent).
  
  The company aims to achieve social, economic, and housing objectives in the Auckland area of Tāmaki during the next 20–25 years. Tāmaki incorporates the suburbs of Glen Innes, Point England, and Panmure.
  
  In 2014/15, the company’s total expenditure was $4.794 million, with a net deficit of $293,000.
  
  The company received a good overall review from the Office of the Auditor-General (OAG). However, the OAG cautioned that the company faces significant upcoming changes.
  
  It will need to ensure that its systems and processes remain fit for purpose. Because the company is a relatively new entity, the OAG did not carry out the comprehensive graded review that other entities usually receive. However, the OAG will start to do this next financial year.
  
  Transfer of housing stock from Housing New Zealand Corporation On 31 March 2016, the company will take over ownership of about 2,800 properties in the Tāmaki area.
  
  These properties are currently held by Housing New Zealand Corporation and are valued at about $1.3 billion. The company told us that it has been preparing for the transfer since it was announced in April 2015 by building its management and operational
  
  You, Minister Nick Smith, have been one of two Crown shareholding Ministers in both the Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd, and Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, so, in my opinion, must have been well aware of what exactly was going on.
  
  https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3937662/shareholdings
  
  TĀMAKI REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED (3937662)
  
  ……
  
  Total Number of Shares:1000 Extensive Shareholding:No
  Shareholders in Allocation:
  
  Allocation 1:410 shares (41.00%)
  
  Auckland COUNCIL
  Civic Building, 1 Greys Avenue, Auckland, 1010 , New Zealand
  Allocation 2:295 shares (29.50%)
  
  Minister For FINANCE
  Executive Wing, Parliament Buildings, Wellington, 6160 , New Zealand
  Allocation 3:295 shares (29.50%)
  
  Minister For BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
  Executive Wing, Parliament Buildings, Wellington, 6160 , New Zealand
  _________________________
  
  On your watch, the Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd, (59% Crown and 41% Auckland
  Council) which was supposed to have 2,800 Housing NZ properties in Tamaki transferred on
  31 March 2016, actually did not end up owning ONE former Tamaki State house.
  
  2,704 former Housing NZ properties were transferred to Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, which is 100% Crown.
  
  https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5840214/shareholdings?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DTamaki%2520Regeneration%2520Ltd
  
  TĀMAKI REGENERATION LIMITED (5840214) Registered
  To maintain this company log on here
  Last updated on 31 Mar 2017
  …..
  
  Total Number of Shares:1631161318 Extensive Shareholding:No
  Shareholders in Allocation:
  
  Allocation 1:815580609 shares (50.00%)
  
  Minister For FINANCE
  Executive Wing, Parliament Buildings, Wellington, 6160 , New Zealand
  Allocation 2:815580609 shares (50.00%)
  
  Minister For BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
  Executive Wing, Parliament Buildings, Wellington, 6160 , New Zealand
  Allocation 3:100 shares (0.00%)
  
  TĀMAKI REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED
  244 Apirana Avenue, Glen Innes, Auckland, 1072 , New Zealand
  _________________________
  
  Please be advised that I have spent approximately two weeks, unpaid, voluntary work,(from Saturday 15 April 2017 to Sunday 29 April 2017), with the assistance of others, who helped by driving me around all 119 streets in the list of 2,704 former Housing NZ properties now owned by Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, which was provided to me by the General Manager of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, Mr Neil Porteous.
  
  (As the provided list was neither (street) alphabetical, nor street numbers chronological, it took me some hours to manually reconfigure this Tamaki Regeneration Ltd of 2,704 former Housing NZ properties, in order to make it both coherent and ‘logical’ to follow).
  
  Having retyped this Tamaki Regeneration Ltd list of 2,704 former Housing NZ properties, with the assistance of other community volunteers, who helped by driving street to street, the addresses of ALL 2,704 former Housing NZ properties were checked, in order to establish the following information:
  
  1) Did the former Housing NZ property (house) appear to be occupied?
  
  2) Did the former Housing NZ property (house) appear to be empty / unoccupied?
  
  3) Was the former Housing NZ property now a ‘bare section’, because the former Housing NZ house had been removed?
  
  4) Was the former Housing NZ property now being developed, if so, who was the developer?
  
  Having carried out the above-mentioned ‘due diligence’ – the following information was discovered:
  
  BARE SECTIONS IN THE TAMAKI REGENERATION LIST AS AT 29 APRIL 2017:
  
  5 CHILTERN CRES B/S
  
  34 COATES CRES – B/S?
  
  36 COATES CRES – B/S?
  
  7 COLEGRAVE PL – B/S
  
  19 COURT CRES – B/S
  
  7 DALTON ST – B/S
  
  10 DERNA RD – B/S
  
  12 DERNA RD – B/S
  
  14 DERNA RD – B/S
  
  47 EPPING ST – B/S
  
  2 FENCHURCH ST – B/S
  
  4 FENCHURCH ST – B/S
  
  3 HARLOW PL – B/S
  
  8 HAY RD – B/S
  
  6 KAPUNI RD – B/S
  
  3 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  4 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  5 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  6 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  7 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  8 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  9 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  11 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  13 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  15 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  22 KESTREL PL – B/S
  
  3 KIANO PL – B/S
  
  5 KIANO PL – B/S
  
  11 KIANO PL – B/S
  
  4 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – B/S
  
  6 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – B/S
  
  8 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – B/S
  
  10 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – B/S
  
  104 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – B/S
  
  55 LINE RD – B/S
  
  55A LINE RD – B/S
  
  5 MANSFIELD ST – B/S
  
  4 OVERLEA RD – B/S
  
  5 OVERLEA RD – B/S
  
  6 OVERLEA RD – B/S
  
  8 OVERLEA RD – B/S
  
  12 OVERLEA RD – B/S
  
  52 PT ENGLAND RD – B/S
  
  3 RIDGEWAY PL – B/S
  
  13 SILVERTON AVE – B/S
  
  15 SILVERTON AVE – B/S
  
  18 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  19 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  21 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  22 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  29 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  31 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  33 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  36 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  38 SUNNYMEAD RD – B/S
  
  20 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  57 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  59 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  61 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  65 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  69 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  73 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  74 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  75 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  76 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  78 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  79 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  80 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  82 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  84 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  86 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  88 TANIWHA ST – B/S
  
  19 TE KOA RD – B/S
  
  149 WEST TAMAKI RD – B/S
  
  161 WEST TAMAKI RD – B/S
  
  171 WEST TAMAKI RD – B/S
  
  HOUSES THAT APPEAR TO BE EMPTY (AS AT 30 APRIL 2017)
  
  8 BARDIA RD – H/E?
  
  16 BENGHAZI RD – H/E?
  
  11 CAEN RD – H/E?
  
  49 CAEN RD – H/E?
  
  7 CHILTERN CRES – H/E
  
  19 CHILTERN CRES – H/E
  
  23 COATES CRES – H/E?
  
  59 COATES CRES – H/E?
  
  4 CORAL CRES – H/E?
  
  48 COURT CRES – H/E?
  
  50 COURT CRES – H/E?
  
  3 COURTLAND AVE – H/E
  
  2 DELEMERE PL – H/E?
  
  59 DUNKIRK RD – H/E?
  
  6 DUNN RD – H/E?
  
  32 ELSTREE AVE – H/E (Brick)
  
  34 ELSTREE AVE – H/E (Brick
  
  42 ELSTREE AVE – H/E?
  
  44 ELSTREE AVE – H/E?
  
  77 ELSTREE AVE – H/E?
  
  5 EPPING ST – H/E?
  
  3 EVANDALE ST – H/E?
  
  62 FARRINGDON ST – H/E?
  
  71 FARRINGDON ST – H/E?
  
  75 FARRINGDON ST – H/E?
  
  6 HINAKI ST – H/E?
  
  30 HOBSON DR – H/E?
  
  16 KAWITI AVE – H/E
  
  16A KAWITI AVE – H/E
  
  10 LARSEN RD – H/E?
  
  20 LEYBOURNE CIRCLE – H/E
  
  76 LINE RD – H/E?
  
  22 MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  26 MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  43B MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  51B MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  51C MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  72A MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  72B MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  72C MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  72D MAYBURY ST – H/E
  
  8 McCULLOCH RD – H/E?
  
  34 NGARIMU RD – H/E?
  
  4 ORAN RD – H/E?
  
  8 ORAN RD – H/E (Boarded up)
  
  2A OVERLEA RD – H/E
  
  2B OVERLEA RD – H/E
  
  6 PARATA ST – H/E?
  
  21 PILKINGTON RD – H/E?
  
  55 PILKINGTON RD – H/E
  
  28 PT ENGLAND RD – H/E
  
  49 PT ENGLAND RD – H/E?
  
  92 PT ENGLAND RD – H/E?
  
  95 PT ENGLAND RD – H/E?
  
  13 ROPATA AVE – H/E?
  
  1 ROWENA CRES – H/E?
  
  31A ROWENA CRES – H/E
  
  31C ROWENA CRES – H/E
  
  22 TANIWHA ST – H/E (Brick)
  
  40 TANIWHA ST – H/E (Wood)
  
  46 TANIWHA ST – H/E (Wood)
  
  47 TANIWHA ST – H/E?
  
  114 TANIWHA ST – H/E?
  
  121 TANIWHA ST – H/E (Wood)
  
  133 TANIWHA ST – H/E?
  
  6 TE HANA RD – H/E?
  
  15 TE KOA RD – H/E?
  
  24 TORINO RD – H/E?
  
  32 TORINO RD – H/E
  
  163 WEST TAMAKI RD – H/E
  ________________________
  
  MINISTER OF BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION, NICK SMITH, PLEASE PROVIDE THE INFORMATION WHICH EXPLAINS THE FOLLOWING:
  
  1) Why are you seeking to turn more public land (one quarter of the Pt England Reserve) into private property development, when ‘on your watch’ as the Minister of Building and Construction, 76 former Housing NZ properties in Tamaki have had (State) houses removed and are now empty, bare sections, and there appear to be also 70 empty former State houses?
  
  2) Why has the Local Government and Select Committee been given, in my considered opinion, such inaccuate advice?
  
  “While not specified in the bill, we were advised that the housing development would be used to rehouse some tenants of the Tāmaki Redevelopment Company whose housing is due for redevelopment, and to provide much-needed additional housing in Auckland.”
  
  3) Please confirm that you have read my following OIA request to the CEO of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, John Holyoake, and that the Pt England Development Enabling Bill will NOT proceed until the requested information has been fully provided.
  
  (Please be advised that today, 30 May 2017, I received written confirmation that this OIA request has been received and is being processed.)
  
  …………
  
  Penny Bright
  2017 Independent candidate
  Tamaki electorate.
  
  (Exposing the Tamaki GENTRIFICATION $CAM).
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:43pm
  - Kimbo
    
    She’s baaaaaaaack….
    
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    May 30, 2017 2:50pm
    - Happychappy
      
      This from a a activist that calls others on fraud and is a biggot for portraying the same tendency herself.
      
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      May 30, 2017 3:55pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    WTF?
    
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    May 30, 2017 3:15pm
  - Postitrote
    
    TL:DR
    
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    May 30, 2017 3:39pm
  - Jack5
    
    🙄 The Devil is in the details. ~~Isn’t she?~~ Aren’t you, Penny?
    
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    May 30, 2017 3:39pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    See?
    I Spray and Walk Away
    Rubbish stays
    I walk away.
    Now:
    
    Please be advised that I have spent approximately two weeks, unpaid, voluntary work,(from Saturday 15 April 2017 to Sunday 29 April 2017), with the assistance of others, who helped by driving me around all 119 streets in the list of 2,704 former Housing NZ properties now owned by Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, which was provided to me by the General Manager of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd, Mr Neil Porteous.
    
    See ‘spray and walk away’ if you did work, you would earn money – and be able to do soooo much more. But no, you are a bleeding heart bludger
    
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    May 30, 2017 6:17pm
  - GoVege
    
    When you go on that long. ..you are ASKING for downticks. ..
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:00pm
  - niggly
    
    Jeez, I just got RSI for having to work my mouse scroll wheel non-stop for what seemed like eternity …
    
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    May 30, 2017 9:40pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck Off ( and you owe me a new scroll wheel for my mouse). Look nobody reads your stuff, and fewer people care. Go and find a blog aimed at morons ( like the Standard ) and post your drivel there.
    
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    May 30, 2017 9:49pm
    - niggly
      
      Wouldn’t be surprised if The Standard have banned her, after all they are rather “intolerant”, even of dear ol’ Penny no doubt! Sheesh no wonder then why we get her crap here, no one else will have her it seems!
      
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      May 30, 2017 9:52pm
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https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/aussie-fundie-liquidates-citing-imminent-bubble-bust-calamity/

Has anyone noticed how MB is no longer the local “doomsayer”? Via AFR:

Australian asset manager Altair Asset Management has made the extraordinary decision to liquidate its Australian shares funds and return “hundreds of millions” of dollars back to its clients, citing an impending property market “calamity” and the “overvalued and dangerous time in this cycle”.

…”We think that there is too much risk in this market at the moment, we think it’s crazy,” Mr Parker said more candidly.

“Valuations are stretched, property is massively overstretched and most of the companies that we follow are at our one-year rolling returns targets – and that’s after we’ve ticked them up over the past year.”

Mr Parker outlined a roll call of “the more obvious reasons to exit the riskier asset markets of shares and property”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Storm building on Sydney apartment sites: Projects no longer viable … Australian Financial Review
  … h/t JG …behind paywall …
  
  http://www.afr.com/real-estate/storm-brewing-on-sydney-apartment-sites-projects-no-longer-viable-20170525-gwd5dy
  
  A perfect storm is brewing on an increasing number of residential development sites in Sydney.
  
  Scores of development sites have become “sterilised” – stuck in limbo – with off-the-plan sales at too low a price to justify the increasing construction costs required to complete the project.
  
  With projects taking on average three to five years to come to completion, and construction costs rising by 4.5 per cent to 5 per cent in the last NSW financial year, project completion on many sites is now no longer viable. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  What will sink the housing market and drown property investors? … Michael Janda … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
  … h/t JG …
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-29/janda-sink-housing-market-and-drown-property-investors/8568238
  
  A growing number of middle-of-the-road, mainstream economists and policymakers now acknowledge that Australia has a housing bubble. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … latest information … access …
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:13am
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    Yawn……
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:30am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Not a satisfactory response, Cap’n. Hugh Pavletich is an intelligent and thoughtful writer, but you’re acting as if this is a National Party booze-up.
      
      Oh, sorry, we’re on Kiwiblog, aren’t we…
      
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      May 30, 2017 10:59am
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    The market is working as intended. There are however problems which ‘capitalists’ have to live with. You cannot build housing, offices, warehouses, power stations, ships or aeroplanes in a flash. You have to anticipate demand the best you can, grit your teeth then order. If the anticipated demand materialises you make your profit. If it does not you have stranded capital. For the apartments the developer needs to buy (or at least get an option on) the land, do foundation tests, get design and engineering done, obtain any needed resource consents (or be reasonably sure of obtaining them). This takes time and money and in the meantime there could be a lull in the market at which point the developer considers whether to proceed, stay or abandon the project. The attitude of financiers comes into play – they want to see a portion of the units sold ‘off the plans’ before they will advance the money for construction. Similarly a developer will need to pre-lease a portion of an office building he is about to put up.
    So what has happened here is there is little current market for units at the cost of development and construction plus the margin the developer hopes to get to cover the developer’s effort and risk.So the development stalls. Other developers already committed to building could take a bit of a bath and either take a hit or wave the white flag. But the key thing is, the projects that stall will save the other projects and the overall market from disaster. So do not laugh just yet.
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:49am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … Accessible at the Sydney Morning Herald …
      
      Altair Asset Management hands back cash to clients citing looming correction … Patrick Cummins … Sydney Morning Herald … h/t JG …
      
      http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/fund-manager-hands-back-cash-to-clients-citing-looming-correction-20170529-gwfgua.html
      
      Australian asset manager Altair Asset Management has made the extraordinary decision to liquidate its Australian shares funds and return “hundreds of millions” of dollars back to its clients, citing an impending property market “calamity” and the “overvalued and dangerous time in this cycle”.
      
      “Giving up management and performance fees and handing back cash from investments managed by us is a seminal decision, however preserving client’s assets is what all fund managers should put before their own interests,” Philip Parker, who serves as Altair’s chairman and chief investment officer, said in a statement on Monday. … VIEW & READ more via gyperlink above …
      
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      May 30, 2017 11:55am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Zerohedge report …
        
        “This Market Is Crazy”: Hedge Fund Returns Hundreds Of Millions To Clients Citing Imminent “Calamity” | Zero Hedge
        
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-29/market-crazy-hedge-fund-returns-hundreds-millions-clients-citing-imminent-calamity
        
        While hardly a novel claim – in the past many have warned that Australia’s housing and stock market are massive asset bubbles (which local banks were have been forced to deny as their fates are closely intertwined with asset prices even as the RBA is increasingly worried) – so far few if any have gone the distance of putting their money where their mouth was. That changed, when Australian asset manager Altair Asset Management made the extraordinary decision to liquidate its Australian shares funds and return “hundreds of millions” of dollars to its clients according to the Sydney Morning Herald, citing an impending property market “calamity” and the “overvalued and dangerous time in this cycle”.
        
        “Giving up management and performance fees and handing back cash from investments managed by us is a seminal decision, however preserving client’s assets is what all fund managers should put before their own interests,” Philip Parker, who serves as Altair’s chairman and chief investment officer, said in a statement on Monday quoted by the SMH. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:31pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … NZ Investor lending down 48% year-on-year – MacroBusiness Australia … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/nz-investor-lending-48-year-year/#comment-2877975 (behind paywall) … with extensive further postings on the New Zealand Labour Party and housing issues … including this interview with its Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyford … https://www.facebook.com/don.ha.56/videos/1669879639706424/
        
        … New Zealand: Auckland and Canterbury residential speculators / investors bailing …
        
        Lower house prices and static mortgage rates improved housing affordability substantially in many parts of the country in April | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87977/lower-house-prices-and-static-mortgage-rates-improved-housing-affordability
        
        … extracts …
        
        … The biggest falls occurred in Auckland where the lower quartile price in the Central Auckland suburbs fell from $772,400 in March to $721,500 in April.
        
        On the North Shore it dropped from $821,700 to $767,900, and in South Auckland it fell from $694,500 to $675,300. In West Auckland it dropped from $680,300 to $657,800.
        
        Across the entire Auckland region the lower quartile selling price was $700,800, which means it has now fallen back to below where it was at the start of the summer selling season in October last year when it was $710,400.
        
        On Auckland’s North Shore the lower quartile price is now the lowest it has been since April last year, and in West Auckland it is the lowest it has been since March last year. …
        
        … In Canterbury the lower quartile price dropped from $372,500 in March to $367,100 in April, which means it has fallen for two months in a row from its peak of $389,200 set in February. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:55pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        There was a sharp decline in the number of new dwelling consents issued across NZ in April, Auckland’s housing supply crisis worsening … Interest Co NZ
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88002/there-was-sharp-decline-number-new-dwelling-consents-issued-across-nz-april-aucklands
        
        The number of new dwelling consents issued throughout the country dropped sharply to 2106 in April. That’s down 673 from 2779 in March, and down 255, or 11%, from 2361 in April last year, according to Statistics NZ.
        
        That puts the number of new consents back to where it was two years ago, when 2112 consents were issued in April 2015.
        
        Statistics NZ attributed the drop to the fact that the Easter break occurred in April this year. … read more via hyperlink above
        
        Posted at … NZ Investor lending down 48% year-on-year – MacroBusiness Australia … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/nz-investor-lending-48-year-year/#comment-2877975 (behind paywall) … with extensive further postings on the New Zealand Labour Party and housing issues … including this interview with its Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyford … https://www.facebook.com/don.ha.56/videos/1669879639706424/
        
        … New Zealand: Auckland and Canterbury residential speculators / investors bailing …
        
        Lower house prices and static mortgage rates improved housing affordability substantially in many parts of the country in April | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87977/lower-house-prices-and-static-mortgage-rates-improved-housing-affordability
        
        … extracts …
        
        … The biggest falls occurred in Auckland where the lower quartile price in the Central Auckland suburbs fell from $772,400 in March to $721,500 in April.
        
        On the North Shore it dropped from $821,700 to $767,900, and in South Auckland it fell from $694,500 to $675,300. In West Auckland it dropped from $680,300 to $657,800.
        
        Across the entire Auckland region the lower quartile selling price was $700,800, which means it has now fallen back to below where it was at the start of the summer selling season in October last year when it was $710,400.
        
        On Auckland’s North Shore the lower quartile price is now the lowest it has been since April last year, and in West Auckland it is the lowest it has been since March last year. …
        
        … In Canterbury the lower quartile price dropped from $372,500 in March to $367,100 in April, which means it has fallen for two months in a row from its peak of $389,200 set in February. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 30, 2017 1:38pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Just more stupidity from the current New Zealand Government … with thankfully a General Election 23 September …
        
        Budget document shows first $200m from govt’s flagship $1bn Housing Infrastructure Fund expected to be paid out…in the year to June 2019, and only $600m to be lent by June 2021 | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87989/budget-document-shows-first-200m-govts-flagship-1bn-housing-infrastructure-fund
        
        By Alex Tarrant
        
        The government’s flagship $1bn Housing Infrastructure Fund is set to only fork out its first $200m to ‘fast-growing’ councils sometime during the year to June 2019, according to Treasury’s Budget forecasts.
        
        And only $600m of the fund is forecast to have been lent out by the government by 30 June 2021, the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update (BEFU) shows. This will leave $400m to just be “allocated in subsequent years,” sometime after that.
        
        But that won’t stop the government from making announcements later this year on where the funding might go, although Prime Minister Bill English said Monday that he wouldn’t want to raise too many expectations for the next few months. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Back October 2012 … following the release April of the Productivity Commission Housing Affordability Report, they were to focus on land supply, infrastructure financing, process and construction costs …
        
        beehive.govt.nz – Govt responds to housing affordability report
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-responds-housing-affordability-report
        
        … WATCH & WEEP …
        
        Housing Affordability Announcement – 29 October 2012 … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk
        
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        May 30, 2017 3:32pm
- niggly
  
  Yay just made these first two posts “-30” … surely only 1 or 2 more required to make them become hidden? Any more takers 🙂
  
  Edit: yay they’ve both become “-31”! Goodwork by someone!
  
  Anyone else there to make it “-32”? 🙂
  
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  May 30, 2017 9:46pm
Manolo

Our resident multiculturalist and practising Muslim will be jubilant:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/islam-track-overtake-christianity-worlds-no-1-religion/

Muslims will double their share of the population in the United States by 2050 and surpass Christianity as the world’s dominant religion by the end of the century, according to a Pew Research Center report released last week.
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May 30, 2017 10:16am
Lance

I have to say I have finally given up on Duncan Garner. I held out hope thinking maybe he will come around but alas this morning’s fiasco was the last and final straw, what a leftist git.

He and Amanda whats her face went and and on and bloody on about the vast and scandalous crime that councilers have a buffet lunch when they are in all day meetings. As in they should pay for their own lunch, I assume by leaving the venue and travelling to who knows where to buy their lunch.
What a piece of utter nonsense, get a bloody grip. The time lost would be horrendous on an already long day, grossly inefficient at best. Yes they shouldn’t have expensive food but this envious nit picking is pathetic.
I am more concerned about the multimillion dollar fick ups councils make, not the ridiculous lunch issue.

Pillocks

The only voice of sanity was Mark Richardson, who was clearly becoming pissed off with his co-presenters. Especially when dear Amanda pipes in with this quote “surgeons don’t get free lunches”.. WTF…WTF??
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May 30, 2017 10:19am
- Happychappy
  
  I watched the AM Show for one week after Garner took over and have not watched it since. Hard to keep your sanity listening to the shit they produce.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:36am
  - Morrissey
    
    Garner is so abysmal, so cringe-inducing, so inept, so plain bad that I actually miss Paul Henry.
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:56am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Every now and again Morrissey, you come in with a winner.
      
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      May 30, 2017 11:33am
    - Flash
      
      Dare I ask – Whatever happened to PH?
      
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      May 31, 2017 12:09pm
- Inandout
  
  The Taxpayers Union guy did make a valid point though that it is the culture of entitlement with ratepayers money that is the issue. His example of attending an afternoon meeting of about 20 councilors that had a free food banquet. The food supply was so ample that about 50 council underlings soon joined the feast. Pigs at the trough culture is a good fit for Goff’s socialist background. Muggins ratepayer foots the bill.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:45am
  - Lance
    
    Then that should have been the topic, ‘proportionality’ but it wasn’t.
    Instead was the rather silly argument of no lunch at at all for day long meetings, because others don’t get it.
    Pathetic
    Once again this is very very small beans compared to gross council project mismanagement that costs hundreds of millions that is more concern to me and should be put under the microscope.
    Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel seems an appropriate metaphor.
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:32am
    - Surely Knott
      
      It’s not just councillors. And it’s not just day long meetings. Local Board Members are also given a meal. The meetings are now live streamed and the last meeting which happens once a fortnight lasted less than 40 minutes. Not bad for a $50k salary plus meal. The point is the meal policy should be based on the number of an hours in the meeting fine. But it seems more to be based on wether you are an elected representative or not.
      
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      May 30, 2017 11:46am
    - Inandout
      
      It was suggested on that programme that councilors couldn’t think clearly without free food supplied, and one went even further saying people wouldn’t stand for office without the freebies. Bullshit.
      
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      May 30, 2017 11:52am
  - sooty
    
    Simple! Do not order so much and tell the underlings to take hike.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:13pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I haven’t watched breakfast TV all year, and my mood when I head down to the office is far, far better as a result 😀
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:39pm
- Gabby
  
  They can’t make some marmite sammidges? wtf wtf?
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:18pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Lance, why can the not just have 30 minutes for lunch, and eat what they made and took with them?? I do it every week day.
  Troughers
  
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  May 30, 2017 6:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

I’m starting to wonder if Stephie goes nocturnal during Ramadan, feeds his face and indulges his passion when it’s dark, then goes to sleep when he’s not allowed to eat.
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May 30, 2017 10:32am
- Rich Prick
  
  I think that very now and then someone takes its batteries out.
  
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  May 30, 2017 1:27pm
GoVege

Oh cripes….just saw two stupid dorks in full burqas..and they’re driving.
How can they see to drive with no peripheral vision?
Surely chattels aren’t allowed to drive anyway??!
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May 30, 2017 10:33am
- Inandout
  
  They must insure through a Dubai company, because if they caused a crash through their self imposed blindness, the innocent party’s insurer would take revenge.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:48am
  - sooty
    
    *555 or 111 the police. Bank/ petrol station robbers, on their way to commit a crime. Edit or 111
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:15pm
- Longknives
  
  What happens if they get pulled over and the Cop asks to see their Licence?
  Is the photo Full Garbage-Bag as well?
  How do Police identify them?
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:24pm
Jack5

Looking to see how many – or if any at all – Christians were among the Middle East refugees being selected for the NZ quota I found an article in a church magazine.

It suggests that discrimination and persecution is keeping them out of United Nations refugee camps and that Middle East Christians have been excluded from a re-settlement plan put to the United Nations by Iraq and other Middle East countries.

So it sounds that this is why Middle East Christians – and Yazidis – are not getting selected in fair numbers for NZ refugee quotas.

Should we allow the UN and NZ bureaucrats to in effect discriminate against Christians in refugee selection?

https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
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May 30, 2017 10:42am
- GoVege
  
  Maybe the Christians would have better luck if they tried to pass themselves off as Muslims?
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:44am
cha

Mowing the lawn in Mosul.

MOSUL, Iraq—French special forces here have for months enlisted Iraqi soldiers to hunt and kill French nationals who have joined the senior ranks of Islamic State, according to Iraqi officers and current and former French officials.

[…]

The motive for the secret operation is to ensure that French nationals with allegiance to Islamic State never return home to threaten France with a terror attack, said a current and a former foreign-affairs adviser to the French government. France has been the target of several deadly attacks either inspired by Islamic State or orchestrated from the militants’ Middle East strongholds, including the November 2015 Paris strikes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/frances-special-forces-hunt-french-militants-fighting-for-islamic-state-1496090116
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May 30, 2017 10:46am
- GoVege
  
  Thank God someone’s got a brain over there…
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:51am
- cha
  
  Looks like he’s got a pair.
  
  Macron: Any use of chemical weapons in Syria will result in an immediate strike by France
  
  http://www.france24.com/en/breaking/20170529-putin-macron-press-conference-use-chemical-weapons-syria-will-result-immediate-strike-france?ref=tw_i
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    Stand by for more false flags. It’s a bit dangerous for the actors using real gas so how many children next time?
    In the pics showing the last episode being set up no one was wearing any protective gear.
    Are the French now going to take over the former US role?
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:18pm
Morrissey

Seventeen years since the liberation of Southern Lebanon

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/05/29/an-informative-and-insightful-speech-nasrallah/
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May 30, 2017 10:54am
Paulus

I am surprised to see Primary School Principals having an election year beef again not getting enough money to pay auxiliary staff.
They appear to be saying that we are not able to teach our children as well as possible because our assistants do not get enough money.
I thought that it is the school which pays them and not directly from the Education Department.
As a consequence they can pay these extra people whatever they want.
It appear that some get as much as $19 + an hour well above the so called legal minimum wage.
Living next to a decile 9 primary, which has 21 classes, they employ 27 auxiliary staff.
A good school, but why cannot the teachers no do what they are paid to do – teach children – and not hakas and other social mores which appears to be the norms.
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May 30, 2017 11:14am
- Happychappy
  
  Can anyone explain why they need so many Teachers aids in schools we had big class numbers in the 1950’s more than they have today and teachers used to throw dusters at you if you wern’t behaving or call you silly names like bird brain. There were thirty plus in classrooms then and a lot less now days so why is there so many teachers aids.
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:08pm
  - jonar
    
    Part of it will be the mainstreaming of kids with disabilities.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:39pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    ‘and teachers used to throw dusters at you if you wern’t behaving or call you silly names like bird brain.’
    I think you’ve just answered your own question.
    
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    May 30, 2017 4:46pm
  - Gabby
    
    And that worked out just fine, didn’t it?
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:22pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      Depends on which side of the duster you were!
      
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      May 30, 2017 5:52pm
  - HB
    
    No help from mothers because they all work these days. I remember my mum coming in to school once a week to help with reading groups.
    High numbers of students with aspergers/autism, dyslexia, fetal alcohol syndrome, English as an other language etc, etc.
    Then of course you need cleaners, groundsmen, office receptionists, a finance manager.
    Activities such as swimming lessons need a much better ratio than 1 to 30.
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:10pm
- KevOB
  
  Labour need issues. (oops: tissues) The pathetic leaflet dropped today featured some small fella with a pony . Grumbles about not being able to get on the property ladder (what speculators did) and 1.7bn cut from health. If that not lying how do they know what real?
  Duuno how they’ll ever govern. Bit thick. Don’t know whats goin’ on. It shows.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:31pm
freethinker

Fraud and the Auditor GeneraL

The following is an extract from a Stuff article and reveals that Harrison may have used alias’s or even false names and the apparent lack of enquiry to Corrections and Goulbourn-Murray Water raises further questions of Harrison and Matthews in conducting a proper validation of her CV and other information available.

“A full internal audit of Joanne Harrison’s work during her time with Corrections was immediately undertaken and is continuing,” he added.

“Once the audit is completed, the Department will act on any recommendations or findings.”

Harrison, also known as Joanne Sharp and Joanne Sidebottom, was the subject of fraud allegations at Goulburn-Murray Water in Australia before she landed a job at the ministry.

Her former boss at MoT, Martin Matthews, was appointed Controller and Auditor-General after serving as chief executive at the ministry.
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May 30, 2017 11:16am
zonic

@Kimbo MAY 30, 2017 10:48AM

tks, interesting points.

so am I right to say you somewhat agree with my definition of a career politician?
the arguments put forward for this particular bill are a fallacy. just plain subterfuge.

Whatever about a career politician, they should at least present the electoarate’s case. That I don’t think has been done here. The local board is even opposing it.

but on the face of it, do you not think they should build the 5k+ houses before they start selling/building on public reserves?

The true feeling of the electorate will come out in September. But unfortunately, the damage may have already been done, which will be a damn shame.

And just so you know, this is in the Maungakiekie electorate, but borders on the Tamaki electorate.
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May 30, 2017 11:20am
Kimbo

so am I right to say you somewhat agree with my definition of a career politician?
the arguments put forward for this particular bill are a fallacy. just plain subterfuge.

Nope. That would be a misrepresentation of my balanced and nuanced position, and the reason you are projecting that meaning on to my words is because you are a single-issue zealot and propagandist.

Whatever about a career politician, they should at least present the electoarate’s case. That I don’t think has been done here.

So you know for a fact the MP (Simon O’Connor or Sam Lotu-Iiga?) has not raised it…at all, even behind closed doors with the Minister? How about you research, including asking him?

but on the face of it, do you not think they should build the 5k+ houses before they start selling/building on public reserves?

Love those false dichotomies don’t you? Yet again, I’d suggest “both/and”, not “either/or” is the answer. Is what we have been encountering out here for many years…

And just so you know, this is in the Maungakiekie electorate, but borders on the Tamaki electorate

OK, so despite calling me out and chasing me for answers (including additional ones in your latest post), you are still side-stepping the one question I’ve asked – how many parks, reserves and public recreation areas will remain in the electorate and wider vicinity if and when Pt England is developed? As Chuck Bird can confirm, it is not advisable to demand the answers to questions and then dodge or walk away when the time to reciprocate comes. 😉 Answer please…
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May 30, 2017 11:35am
- starboard
  
  “fallacy. just plain subterfuge.”
  
  Capital J there Charlie…just sayin..Kimbos law and all..
  
  Quoting someone, please add ” “..just sayin..Kimbos law and all..
  
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  May 30, 2017 11:49am
  - Kimbo
    
    Was a cut and paste of zonic’s earlier post at 11:20AM. Hence I indented it in a blockquote.
    
    But thanks both initiating a reference and making a plug for Kimbo’s law. Is onerous if I do it all the time. So I take it back – you are not a complete waste of space here on Kiwiblog, starboard 😉
    
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    May 30, 2017 11:57am
- zonic
  
  The pot calling the kettle black…
  
  to answer your question:
  “how many parks, reserves and public recreation areas will remain in the electorate and wider vicinity if and when Pt England is developed?”
  there is enough now, but as they intensify their use will grow.
  
  Now can you answer my original question that you still have not answered, what is a career politician?
  
  other remarks
  ” I’d suggest “both/and”, not “either/or” is the answer. ”
  I agree but they dont have to be at the same time.
  
  re Simon O’Connor or Sam Lotu-Iiga, I have raised it with them, but they are not forthcoming with information. But I can gather, but cannot confirm, is that, the deal was done to sell the land to iwi, the legislation was drafted and then Simon O’Connor or Sam Lotu-Iiga became aware of it. If true, a bit too late for them to have any real influence. I am sure since then, they have been good at airing their electorates view, but this legislation is just a rubber stamp on the deal with iwi that was done between select members.
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:16pm
  - Kimbo
    
    there is enough now, but as they intensify their use will grow.
    
    So no problem…now. The sky may fall tomorrow, but not today.
    
    what is a career politician?
    
    Using a bit of Aristotelian simplicity, a person who pursues a long-term career as a politician. Accordingly they take the long-term view that they can’t win ’em all, so they pick and choose the battles they can win, and gain achievements by increment. Hence they usually succeed compared to the single-issue zealots or rebels – Mike Minogue, Marilyn Waring and Sue Bradford
    – who achieved little of note in the way of policy gains, whether at a local or national level, or as leaders of political parties.
    
    re Simon O’Connor or Sam Lotu-Iiga…I am sure since then, they have been good at airing their electorates view
    
    So your beef is with the government, not the electorate MPs. See ya.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:24pm
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      see ya 🙂
      
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      May 30, 2017 12:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ahem, only about 12 hectares or a quarter of the Reserve was sold to the IWI for development.
  The rest remains intact. It was only used for grazing anyway…
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:16pm
  - Kimbo
    
    But it is the thin end of the wedge!!!!
    
    You know, like if the government partially sells some state assets, one day they will fully privatise health, education and social welfare provision, and the poor will end up in a latter-day Dickensian poorhouse.
    
    Or at least that’s how the argument goes… Do I have to put /sarc to make it clear? 😉
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:28pm
    - SPC
      
      Perspective
      
      The decline in public space per person as sections are in-filled is not a positive thing.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIDLdgeP9Bw
      
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      May 30, 2017 12:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Perspective
        
        Indeed. So how about we apply that to a full perspective?:
        
        In isolation if it comes to the amount of recreational space available to the community and/or nation, no, it isn’t. But that is the supposedly altruistic and/or “greater-good” subterfuge that NIMBYs use to cover their selfish interests.
        
        But as per above, in the greater scheme of balancing economic, social and recreational needs, maybe yes. Which is why one should not dogmatically rule out the possibility of developing (parts of) public reserves, especially in government.
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:48pm
      - SPC
        
        Is it wise to reduce public reserves while all around them sections are being in-filled?
        
        The importance of green space to mental well-being is no secret.
        
        We look back with regret the decline in waterways, while we rationalise each degradation of the urban environment in which we live.
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Which is why there is no proposal to abolish every and all green spaces in East Auckland, or any other urban area of Auckland or NZ.
        
        So how about you tell us why, as per your implication, you think there will be inadequate green spaces for the local community if Pt England is developed. And what is the adequate amount…and how did you determine that…other than it is the current status quo?
        
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        May 30, 2017 12:58pm
      - SPC
        
        When does the cannibalisation of existing public reserve land stop?
        
        I know one thing for sure – reducing the extent of reserve land while in-filling sections and building upward is not healthy for the people of Auckland.
        
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        May 30, 2017 1:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        When does the cannibalisation of existing public reserve land stop?
        
        When, if the process continues one reaches the point at which the amount of green spaces are no longer adequate…the amount of which you’ve declined, despite being requested, to define and/or specify.
        
        I know one thing for sure – reducing the extent of reserve land while in-filling sections and building upward is not healthy for the people of Auckland.
        
        And as per above, it depends on how wide your (to quote you) “perspective”, and what then constitutes “healthy”, and how you measure it – including the adequate amount of recreational spaces within the whole.
        
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        May 30, 2017 1:15pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Thanks for ‘Tar and Cement’ SPC. A profound blast from the past.
        
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        May 30, 2017 2:05pm
    - SPC
      
      But surely
      
      1. Whether we had more public reserve land than we needed when people had 1/4 acre sections has not been established.
      
      2. What level of public reserve land is appropriate when moving to an in-filled and upward built urban environment has also not been established.
      
      So on what basis do you apologise for the position that we have yet to reach to reduce public reserve land to a minimum standard?
      
      On the same basis that we have not polluted our waterways too much because we still allow this to continue?
      
      Pagan fatalist?
      
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      May 30, 2017 1:33pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Are green spaces safe to use for the general public or are they controlled by ‘marauders’?
        
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        May 30, 2017 6:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But surely…
      
      As per Kimbo’s law, that’s an adverb that is, in the main, used to introduce ideas and assertions that are anything but sure. 😉 Nonetheless, let’s see how you go…
      
      1. Whether we had more public reserve land than we needed when people had 1/4 acre sections has not been established.
      
      But the issue is what is adequate for now, and in the future, not then. Remember, technological macro-forces have shaped recreational options more than the lack of green spaces, at least that is the case along the West bank of the Tamaki Estuary that was developed in the pre-TV, pre-computer, pre-gym days of the 1950s.
      
      2. What level of public reserve land is appropriate when moving to an in-filled and upward built urban environment has also not been established.
      
      OK, so you seem to accept the premise that if the Pt England Reserve was developed, there could still be adequate green spaces in the foreseeable future, even allowing for increased population. We are making progress…
      
      So on what basis do you apologise for the position that we have yet to reach to reduce public reserve land to a minimum standard?
      
      On the same basis that we have not polluted our waterways too much because we still allow this to continue?
      
      On the basis that there are
      
      1. competing needs (housing in particular) that need to be balanced with the availability of green spaces.
      
      2. once it is developed, there will still be many green spaces in the local area.
      
      3. Nationwide there are still vast areas of green spaces, recreational areas, including waterways that are also effectively (justified adverb!) pollution-free.
      
      Pagan fatalist?
      
      Nope. More unwitting assistant of NIMBYs who try and switch the matter of the burden of proof, obfuscate the issues, and allege a slippery slope.
      
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starboard

yeah but you forgot the ” ” which is a fail. FAIL.
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May 30, 2017 11:58am
- Kimbo
  
  Nope that was why I used
  
  blockquote
  
  …to indent it. But I accept the fact that those of the KB community who eat their crayons would have an issue.
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:00pm
- Kimbo
  
  When do you use block formatting? According to the Publication Manual (p. 171), “If the quotation comprises 40 or more words, display it in a freestanding block of text and omit the quotation marks.”
  
  Do you still use quotations marks around the block? No (see the previous bullet).
  
  http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2013/06/block-quotations-in-apa-style.html
  
  And that’s APA for academic writing, rather than the free-form of a blog!
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:16pm
Inandout

There was a guy on Leighton’s show this morning talking about on line shopping and the demise of malls. I think he said class A malls would be OK, but B and C standard are doomed. We live in interesting times, and putting your life savings into Westfield may be a mistake.
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May 30, 2017 12:22pm
- All_on_Red
  
  There’s a trend in the US to build apartments and Terrace houses on top of them. Malls tend to be on valuable land. Look at St Luke’s. Those car parks are ripe for a few floors added on top.
  So maybe keep your Westfield shares.
  
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  May 30, 2017 12:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    A good concept to keep your customers close, but if the mall was subject to a terrorist suicide, well then the apartment sale price would become ‘negotiable’.
    
    I am thinking more of the US, or UK, or Europe, or Australia..or anywhere.
    
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    May 30, 2017 12:58pm
  - HB
    
    Most of the malls here in the chinese city I live in are less than 5 years old. My local shopping centre has four very large malls all larger than St Luke’s). Two of the four have apartments above them – about 20 floors each.
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:18pm
Manolo

The old bugger is senile and well past his use-by-date.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-29/putin-a-bigger-threat-than-islamic-state-mccain-says/8570158

During a visit to Canberra, Senator McCain said Mr Putin was the “premier and most important threat, more so than ISIS”.
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May 30, 2017 12:23pm
- 4077th
  
  Probably lifts the valance for a quick look before bed each night.
  
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  May 30, 2017 1:24pm
krazykiwi

Corbyn being ‘poignant’, caring … and loyal to terrorists.

Jeremy Corbyn Attended Graveside Wreath-Laying for Palestinian Terror Chief

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has stirred condemnation and disbelief from members of his own party after it was revealed he attended a graveside wreath-laying ceremony honoring a Palestinian terrorist involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre.

In a story published in the Sunday Times, a column written by the Labour leader in October 2014 for the Communist Party newspaper Morning Star was cited as evidence he attended a ceremony in Tunisia “where wreaths were laid… on the graves of [those] killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991”. Mr Corbyn described the event as “poignant”.

[Corbyn] wrote: “After wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991, we moved to the poignant statue in the main avenue of the coastal town of Ben Arous, which was festooned with Palestinian and Tunisian flags.”

There is no record of Mossad having conducted an assassination in Paris in 1991.

To think Corbyn is three times more preferred as UK PM than our own Andrew Little is for NZ PM.
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May 30, 2017 12:28pm
- 4077th
  
  Questions for comrade Cor-byn-laden…
  
  https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155027173824279/
  
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  May 30, 2017 1:29pm
- kowtow
  
  Doesn’t seem to make much sense but then one wonders if Labour , who have given up on ( indeed betrayed) the British working classes are now simply going after the large and growing Muslim immigrant vote.
  
  And Corbyn himself ( like so many Labourites) is not from the working classes anyway.
  
  He’s middle class . A class traitor.
  
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  May 30, 2017 3:02pm
RF

Thought I might listen to the America cup race this morning on NewsTalk ZB. Bad mistake….

Just as the race was getting interesting and the final line was just up ahead some plonker that was filling in for our Rachel decided to go to an ad break and then the system crashed.

After about 5 mts it came right and then the news came on so I thought this will reveal who won as by now the race was over.

Dear god the news was jumbled with two different sets of news trying drown each other out.

Bloody third world crap.
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May 30, 2017 12:45pm
- Manolo
  
  The high price you pay for listening to hopeless Rachael Smalley, who must be avoided at any cost. 😀
  
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  May 30, 2017 1:23pm
  - RF
    
    Manolo.
    
    It was a Smalley stand in. A gushy type without substance.
    
    I have noticed that NewsTalk ZBs standards have slipped as their news is pathetic. Several days out of date and in a number of cases false.
    
    I hear they receive their news from CNN.
    
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    May 30, 2017 2:28pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Their “live” coverage wasn’t even live. I turned on the TV in the bedroom on hearing on ZB that ETNZ and Artemis were bearing down on the fifth mark, only to find that on Sky TV they were already closing in on Gate 6.
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:43pm
Michael

Hey Kimbo,
Having noticed you are coming on strong today just thought I would let you know that Karam / Reed did not present any figures that might have assisted Amy Adams in arriving at that ex gratia payment of $925000. Apparently it was just a “global figure” , whatever that means. So Bain got the lot, although he may have reimbursed Reed and Karam for time spent pursuing his claim since the retrial. Bain almost certainly murdered his family and Adams paid him $925000 for his efforts, works out at $185000 a head.
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May 30, 2017 1:40pm
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks, Michael.
  
  Not that I disagree with your opinion of David Bain, but was the “global” figure calculated on a guestimate of Karam’s costs since Simon Power commissioned Binnie (whose report Collins subsequently rejected after seeking advice and then commissioned a second opinion),
  
  …, or the international rate charged by hitmen…including a family discount and or “pay for 4 and get a 5th one free” deal? Possibly in poor taste, I realise, but I think you kicked that off. A boarding school trait? 😉
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:00pm
  - PJ39
    
    If you go bad taste best to go big! At his wedding the photographer asked David if he wanted a family shot
    
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    May 30, 2017 4:25pm
mikenmild

It’s official – Trump is wonderful:

“President Trump has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him,” Hope Hicks, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement. “He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000. He has built great relationships throughout his life and treats everyone with respect. He is brilliant with a great sense of humor . . . and an amazing ability to make people feel special and aspire to be more than even they thought possible.”
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May 30, 2017 1:47pm
GazzaW

Seems as though Little is reneging on last month’s promise of no tax hikes in Labour’s first term.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11866138

This is not a good look Andy.
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May 30, 2017 2:02pm
- Brigitte
  
  They have to increase some taxes or be hypocrites/liars. If you reduce taxes at the lower end and then say that higher earners can’t get more $ reduction then that means increasing tax at the higher levels. It’s basic maths.
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:24pm
DifferentPerspective

Obama spied illegally on US citizens

The same Obama that made Watergate look like small potatoes did the same to US citizens by spying illegally on them.

But of course the lying, cheating, whoring MSM can’t bring themselves to leap to the defence of the rights of US citizens at the moment because they’re too busy with their witch hunt on Trump.

How any sane person can trust anything reported by these dishonest snakes is beyond me – the MSM IS the opposition.
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May 30, 2017 2:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  DP, the Breitbart that gave us the hillarious and loony Pizzagate .
  
  Sigh !
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:46pm
Ross12

Maybe the truth is slowly dripping out
http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/how-team-obama-tried-to-hack-the-election/
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May 30, 2017 2:14pm
Michael

Kimbo
I am trying to find out what Adams means by global figure. I am sort of thinking that Karam/Reed may have suggested a figure of over 1 million and Adams has said the most she would pay was $925000 and they have agreed on that. She said in her press release that it was a reimbursement to Bain for his legal fees but Bain didn’t actually pay any legal fees, because he was penniless, according to Karam. I took that to mean she was reimbursing Karam/ Reed for their time spent pursuing the claim since the retrial , perhaps it was a guestimate with a bit added on to stop further action.
My thinking now is that Bain probably bunged Karam and Reed $100000 or so each and kept the rest but it could well be that both Reed and Karam told Bain to keep the lot and that all their time spent on the claim since the retrial would be pro bono.
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May 30, 2017 2:35pm
- Kimbo
  
  Yes, that sounds about right other than the assumption Karam and Reed were given a payment by Bain. And if what you say is correct that Karam and Reed submitted no official figure, Adams and/or her officials may nevertheless have had a “without prejudice” discussion (which of its very nature cannot be revealed, even under the Officiant Information Act), and if not, she asked her officials to calculate a ballpark/global figure of their costs.
  
  And as it was in Bain’s name name/cause that the legal costs were incurred fighting Collins’ decision, it makes sense that he received the payment. What happened after with the disbursement or spending of the funds was not the Crown’s concern or business, nor yours or mine…
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:43pm
  - GoVege
    
    Not our concern or business??
    Who do you think are shelling out to pay these *****s to pi** off??!
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:49pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson does a whole episode devoted to the craziness on campuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc093-hKIfw
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May 30, 2017 2:37pm
- Morrissey
  
  Tucker Carlson has as much credibility as this bloke….
  
  http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2334422947_71a82c4725.jpg
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:27pm
stephieboy

BOOKS

Bill Gates: Your Summer Reading List Should Include These 5 Books.

( Of the five one caught my eye )

“…Summer is a great time to escape: to the beach, to the mountains, or to the world of a great book. This year, I found myself drawn even more than usual to books that took me outside (and I don’t mean the great outdoors). The books on this year’s summer reading list pushed me out of my own experiences, and I learned some things that made me question my own thinking about how the world works.

Some of these books helped me better understand what it’s like to grow up outside the mainstream: as a child of mixed race in apartheid South Africa, as a young man trying to escape his impoverished life in rural Appalachia, or as the son of a peanut farmer in Plains, Georgia. I hope you’ll find that others make you think deeper about what it means to truly connect with other people and to have purpose in your life. And all of them will transport you somewhere else — whether you’re sitting on a beach towel or on your own couch.

A Full Life, by Jimmy Carter. Even though the former President has already written more than two dozen books, he somehow managed to save some great anecdotes for this quick, condensed tour of his fascinating life. I loved reading about Carter’s improbable rise to the world’s highest office. The book will help you understand how growing up in rural Georgia in a house without running water, electricity, or insulation shaped – for better and for worse – his time in the White House. Although most of the stories come from previous decades, A Full Life feels timely in an era when the public’s confidence in national political figures and institutions is low

http://time.com/4786592/bill-gates-summer-reading-list-2017/?xid=newsletter-brief

Winter here is also a great time and Bill Gates provides us with a thoght provoking guide for us too.
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May 30, 2017 2:44pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does Nanaia Mahuta ever do anything in Parliament but sit there looking like a sad, grumpy, overfed, tattooed slob who would rather be anywhere else?
How she ever got to be an MP defies belief.
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May 30, 2017 2:51pm
- GazzaW
  
  …….royal entitlement Captain – that’s how.
  
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  May 30, 2017 2:58pm
- RF
  
  I disagree. Cunners in between apologising for being a man was looking lustfully at Mahuta and wanted her to be his partner, deputy whatever…. you know the poor bugger was almost blind.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:05pm
  - Manolo
    
    Not almost,…totally!,
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:35pm
- itstricky
  
  overfed, tattooed slob
  
  Tut Tut. Keeping Stock will be here any second to tell you just exactly where that needlessly mean attitude can go.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:16pm
  - mikenmild
    
    It would have to be something mean about Paula Bennett or Judith Collins to get him up in arms.
    
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    May 30, 2017 6:22pm
    - itstricky
      
      Yep, exactly what I was commenting on. See we’re still waiting, on both this thread & the Greens one (you can guess what the comment is there…)
      
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      May 30, 2017 8:30pm
- Gabby
  
  She looks nothing like Fat Cambo.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:33pm
- KevOB
  
  That the trouble with MMP. The party selects a list. There is no criteria for ability to be able to be an MP who can work on select committees or be a minister. Now they being chosen as representatives of gender or issues. How do you get government out of that?
  A minimum age and asset test should be applied to stop this futility and public waste.
  Labour are tilting that way too. Tilt them out.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:47pm
rightoverlabour

Good out come eventually, pitty about the dead cop though.

Our cops should engage like this more often

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40080977
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May 30, 2017 2:56pm
- RF
  
  A mate in the Queensland Police advised the shooter got 3 in the chest whilst running from a shipping container and spraying bullets at the Police.
  
  Good grouping….
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:10pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Only 3? I thought a standard magazine would hold between 12 and 30. So assume one is double tapping, there should be at least an even number. 3 seems a bit on the low side …
    
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    May 30, 2017 10:00pm
Brigitte

I don’t think the PM is such the pushover as some suggest (from todays QT):

Rt Hon Winston Peters: Is it not a fact, Prime Minister, that far from being confident about his Budget, he is cutting and running off to Samoa for 4 days—4 days—for its independence day celebrations, which begins on 1 June, not tomorrow, and, therefore, he is not able to and does not want to face accountability in this House?

Rt Hon BILL ENGLISH: It will be—in fact, it is not quite 4 days—longer than that member has spent in the Northland electorate since he became elected. [Interruption]
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May 30, 2017 3:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  BE today was in fine form, as good as JK at his best.
  Have a great time in Samoa with the in-laws Bill.
  
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  May 30, 2017 3:43pm
  - Brigitte
    
    I haven’t read all of it yet (I go to Hansard to save having to watch them) but looks like there might be a few more good takedowns. Both Little and Twyford got their butts kicked big time. Adams got into the act with a bit of electioneering banter too.
    
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    May 30, 2017 3:59pm
  - Happychappy
    
    It’s good to see people giving Bill English the praise he deserves Winston again showed he is not in English’s league.
    
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    May 30, 2017 4:06pm
SPC

Chinese students, party patriots abroad.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39996940
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May 30, 2017 3:34pm
Manolo

Another excellent candidate for a rest-home:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/29/bernie-sanders-ballot-losses-238889
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May 30, 2017 3:45pm
Fletch

An Australian lobby group has declared that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.

For some reason the doctors, researchers and health academics who comprise the Public Health Association of Australia have submitted a request to the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade to absolve Islam of any responsibility for the terrorism committed in the name of Allah when it releases its report on the status of religious freedom later this year, according to The Australian.

“The PHAA urges the committee to include a recommendation in its report that disavows the notion there is any inherent link between Islam and terror,” the statement reads.

“The committee should condemn any politician who refers divisively … to any religious or ethnic group for the purpose of political gain.” What about politicians who whitewash the threat of fundamentalist Islam and creeping sharia for the purpose of political gain? Apparently the PHAA doesn’t object to that.

The PHAA submission was co-signed by its president and former politician Michael Moore (presumably no relation to the anti-American propagandist filmmaker), Curtin University professor of international health Jaya Duntas, and David Legge, a scholar emeritus in public health at La Trobe University.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/australian-health-lobby-group-declares-terrorism-non-islamic
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May 30, 2017 3:49pm
Fletch

Something you thought you’d never see. Fareed Zakaria from CNN with a monologue on the intolerance of liberals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tCAaiBEvSM
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May 30, 2017 3:56pm
dad4justice

How many millionaires in the local tribe now? Hey Fred and Rangi be careful in that new Ferrari bro. What a corrupt country of gutless fools.
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May 30, 2017 4:03pm
- itstricky
  
  Are you suggesting that ‘trickle down’ doesn’t work?
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:13pm
  - dad4justice
    
    “A 2012 study by the Tax Justice Network indicates that wealth of the super-rich does not trickle down to improve the economy, but tends to be amassed and sheltered in tax havens with a negative effect on the tax bases of the home economy.” Rick Tau is the richest man in the Tuahiwi cemetery.
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear
Indonesian preacher involved in a porn case
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40089410
…graphic txt messages & nude pics exchanged with a WOMAN
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May 30, 2017 5:11pm
- nasska
  
  A WOMAN! Say it isn’t so.
  
  Prepubescent girls…..yes, small boys…..well okay, goats…..Hey, no problem but a real live woman?
  
  The wrath of Allah will be his for eternity.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:27pm
- Gabby
  
  It was all her fault. She had a face n ting.
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another suicide bombing by ISIL
13 dead in Baghdad
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/car-bombing-baghdad-kills-10-wounds-22-170529230710218.html
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May 30, 2017 5:46pm
- Manolo
  
  Will these animals ever be wiped out?
  
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  May 30, 2017 5:52pm
  - Kea
    
    “Will these animals ever be wiped out?”
    
    The Jews who are behind this you mean ?
    
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    May 30, 2017 5:59pm
Fletch

Does Britain really want someone like this leading them?

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has stirred condemnation and disbelief from members of his own party after it was revealed he attended a graveside wreath-laying ceremony honoring a Palestinian terrorist involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre.

In a story published in the Sunday Times, a column written by the Labour leader in October 2014 for the Communist Party newspaper Morning Star was cited as evidence he attended a ceremony in Tunisia “where wreaths were laid… on the graves of [those] killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991”. Mr Corbyn described the event as “poignant”.

He wrote: “After wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991, we moved to the poignant statue in the main avenue of the coastal town of Ben Arous, which was festooned with Palestinian and Tunisian flags.”

There is no record of Mossad having conducted an assassination in Paris in 1991.

Among those buried at the cemetery visited by Mr Corbyn is Atef Bseiso, who was head of intelligence for the PLO and was involved in the murder of 11 Israeli athletes and coaches as part of the infamous terrorist operation. The visit came just 12 months after Mr. Corbyn assumed leadership of the Labour Party.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/05/29/disbelief-greets-revelation-jeremy-corbyn-attended-wreath-laying-palestinian-terror-chief/

Also according to The Times –

Jeremy Corbyn blamed Britain and the West for Isis’s murder of Alan Henning, the Salford cab driver beheaded by “Jihadi John”.

The Labour leader had said Henning’s death was “the price of jingoism” by the West when he addressed a Stop the War rally a day after the gruesome video of the killing was published online.

Corbyn also said that the rise of Isis, which has claimed the Manchester bomb attack that killed 22 people last week, was “payback” for western “arrogance”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jeremy-corbyn-blames-the-west-for-jihadi-john-beheading-of-aid-worker-alan-henning-dz356f92t?CMP=TNLEmail_118918_1903081
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May 30, 2017 5:51pm
- Yoza
  
  Yah, sympathy for Israelis and support for the never ending US/UK war on terror have been on the wane for most of this century.
  Meanwhile, Liar Liar is charting at no.3 on iTunes while UK radio stations refuse to play it.
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:26pm
Kea

Study finds belief in aliens and religious belief share a similar psychological motivation

New research suggests that paranormal beliefs about extraterrestrial intelligence are linked to the need to find meaning in life.

http://www.psypost.org/2017/04/study-finds-belief-aliens-religious-belief-share-similar-psychological-motivation-48675

At least the UFO nuts do not use their delusions as an excuse to murder and persecute others.

Religion is a disease and often a deadly one. Much more needs to be done to cure it. A good first step is to contain it by isolating carriers.
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May 30, 2017 5:55pm
nasska

From the Religion Wrecks Lives file:

Anthony Foster died over the weekend after spending nearly a third of his life battling the evil that is the Catholic Church.

….” “These are my girls,” he said before television cameras in Rome.

“A Catholic priest was raping them when this photo was taken so that’s why we’ve been fighting for so long… This was my perfect family. We created that, the Catholic Church destroyed it.” “……

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40081172

Pious scum.
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May 30, 2017 5:56pm
- Kea
  
  The pious ones are always the worst for sexual deviency. The more they bang on about morality the more sicko they are generally.
  
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  May 30, 2017 6:11pm
- cha
  
  Fellow travelers.
  
  ALBANY — The Boy Scouts of America has hired a former state senator to lobby against legislation that would make it easier for child sex abuse victims to seek justice as adults.
  
  The Boy Scouts this year are paying Dentons US $12,500 a month to lobby on three bills, including against the Child Victims Act.
  
  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lovett-boy-scouts-fighting-n-y-s-child-victims-act-article-1.3203068?
  
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  May 30, 2017 6:13pm
  - Kea
    
    cha, they should be able to get some help from the Catholic Church. Maybe they can team up with NAMBLA.
    
    Pope Francis: Mercy For Child Molesters
    
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-francis-mercy-for-child-molesters/
    
    Pope Francis Absolves 2,000 Pedophile Priests – “No Arrests Necessary”
    
    http://yournewswire.com/pope-francis-absolves-pedophile-priests/
    
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    May 30, 2017 6:28pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Holy Moly Kea….
      
      I saw stuff in the MSM about the Pope waffling on about Climate Change… and lots of Pics when the Trumps went to visit, but nothing about him showing mercy to pedophiles.
      
      Makes you want to turn to the OT or the Koran for guidance.
      
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      May 30, 2017 6:40pm
      - Kea
        
        Maggy, Even many god botherers and pretty pissed off about it and are finally speaking out.
        
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        May 30, 2017 6:47pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2016, Devilskin and Pray:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pc4iMZ51Ro
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May 30, 2017 6:00pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Brigitte:
  
  NZ MUSIC MONTH
  
  Do you secretly wish that May was a shorter month – with only 30 days or, even better, only 28 days – or, if you’re unlucky, 29 days? With 31 days, the temptation to put one song on auto-play for the whole month must be overwhelming! 🙂
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:36pm
Left Right and Centre

Food issues – we’ve got Manuka honey . . . the so-called satanic folks at KFC sponsoring rugby league world cup . . . and . . . a sports drink that is being told to add more sugar.

And on the panel today . . . nasska and maggy – the voices of reason and science. Sure to offer their thoughts. And anyone else.
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May 30, 2017 6:13pm
nasska

Welcome back LR&C. The most important thing about Manuka honey is whether we are going to have an industry if the myrtle rust gets established in NZ. It’s not a subject I know bugger all about other than what I’ve read in the papers.

Perhaps Maggy can help.
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May 30, 2017 6:30pm
- Kea
  
  Top shelf Manuka honey is too expensive for most folks already. I have seen a small plastic tub of it for $150.00 in a tourist shop. Even regular prices are closer to $100 than $50.
  
  No honey on toast for the tamariki !
  
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  May 30, 2017 6:40pm
  - nasska
    
    But the tamariki in various parts of NZ would benefit financially if the manuka survives.
    
    About this time last year the CEO & I spent a month’s holiday in the Far North. It’s a beautiful place but you can’t eat scenery & there’s little work or good land to provide it. Forestry & tourism are about it.
    
    There’s a lot of Maori land in pines but they only give a return every 25/30 years. As a rule of thumb access roading is usually less than the return on the timber but only by a small margin.
    
    Apparently the tribal authorities were looking at letting scrub regenerate & getting an annual return from the honey. There were other plans centred around extracting the valuable oil from the new growth of the plant.
    
    Myrtle rust could really stuff things up.
    
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    May 30, 2017 6:56pm
    - Kea
      
      This often happens with trees and its dam hard to stop it. Sadly it is probably stuffed in the medium term.
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:02pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      the CEO & I spent a month’s holiday in the Far North
      
      Was Griff a generous host or did he make you sleep under the stars?
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:25pm
      - nasska
        
        Griff hadn’t migrated at that stage Nostra. We made do with a 25ft caravan & camping grounds.
        
        Nowadays my idea of roughing it involves a slightly thinner inner-sprung mattress. 🙂
        
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        May 30, 2017 7:31pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  But what of these ‘magic properties’ of manuka honey? The elixir of life ? And our dear newsreaders – it is said ‘maaaaaaaarnuka honey’. Apparently. Enough to put a person off buying it alone – having to waste the day stuck on one syllable. Goodness. Any possible benefits are hopelessly outweighed by such effort.
  
  nazz – I’m no longer in the 5% white minority when I go to my local pns. I have swapped islands baby.
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:00pm
  - nasska
    
    South or West Island? 🙂
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:05pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Only if I ever lose my hearing could I possibly even think about the west island.
      
      You know what the interthing needs ? A kimbo everything checker app. Wouldn’t even have to type properly – it would just polish a turd with every keystroke.
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  whether we are going to have an industry if the myrtle rust gets established in NZ.
  We don’t know.
  1. We can’t eradicate myrtle rust now that is here. (especially once it gets into the bush).. In 7 years it has spread all along the E- Coast of Oz.
  (It was expected.. it had been tracking across the pacific – S. China).
  2. The myrtle family is one of our largest flowering plant families…. all members are potentially susceptible to the rust
  3. We have 27 native myrtles (including manuka, kanuka, ratas, swamp maire, pohutukawa, ) distributed throughout the country
  4. We have about 60-70 exotic myrtle species….30+ gums..spread throughout
  (Oz has 2,230 species belonging to myrtle family)
  5. myrtle rust affects soft new growth – seedlings, flush growth, resprouts, flowers and soft fruit
  6. myrtle rust needs damp nights and warm temperatures to flourish.
  7. rust spores are spread on the wind, by bees,birds, possums, people etc.
  I expect there will be a fairly rapid spread of the rust this coming spring.
  
  The only thing that might mitigate it doing a lot of damage to the manuka-honey industry is the thick, dry character of manuka leaves. But manuka flowers will be susceptible I think.
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:44pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I’m just picturing someone filling in NCEA year 13 science exam answers the same way people fill in a name and address form – except a lot faster. Miss – I require additional folio – this is clearly inadequate for me to express my detailed explanation.
    Brilliant!!
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You should have seen me writing my 3hr- long honours exam essay.
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:52pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        There’s nothing like show time, yeah ?
        I can imagine pen on paper was a mild fire risk.
        
        wtf gives that a downtick ? sobs !!
        
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        May 30, 2017 8:19pm
Harriet

And in other GayNZ news: Today salmon is…….

poofters. 😎
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May 30, 2017 7:01pm
- sam green
  
  Really? That’s a comment?
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:11pm
  - Kea
    
    It’s true sam. If a guy calls a colour “salmon” he is gay.
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:18pm
    - sam green
      
      Oh ok. Dad’s genitals are the colour of dead fish – does that mean he’s gay?
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:37pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Sam:
        
        Dad’s genitals are the colour of dead fish
        
        Have you considered that the person peeking through the glory hole might have been someone else? (Not me I hasten to add!)
        
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        May 30, 2017 7:45pm
      - sam green
        
        Oh there was no glory hole Nostradamus – it was a photo he sent me. God knows why – I’m married.
        
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        May 30, 2017 7:48pm
      - dad4justice
        
        More fucking lies from slime green another alternative identity of big bruv. Hey Nostra you should investigate how many alternative identities exist on this blog . Yeah right you know eh trapdoor!
        
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        May 30, 2017 7:53pm
      - stigie
        
        You would have to do the sniff test sam ole chap..?
        
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        May 30, 2017 7:55pm
      - sam green
        
        ewwwww
        
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        May 30, 2017 8:02pm
      - stigie
        
        “Hey Nostra you should investigate how many alternative identities exist on this blog . Yeah right you know eh trapdoor!”
        
        Take your time Nostra, there’s only 13 so we are led to believe, tomorrow night will be fine !~
        
        Edit:- 14 with sam !!
        
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        May 30, 2017 8:10pm
nasska

Dear God! Our transsexual friend has developed a down on gay salmon.

Where will it end? 🙂
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May 30, 2017 7:10pm
- dad4justice
  
  I will never buy a fishing license again. The faggots fuck everything in this liberal nutcase land.
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:20pm
  - Kea
    
    The faggots fuck everything in ~~this liberal nutcase land.~~ Hadley Park
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:06pm
- sam green
  
  Oh – I didn’t know he was a tranny. Apologies Harriet.
  
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  May 30, 2017 7:32pm
  - nasska
    
    You know how it goes Sam.
    
    Hello Harriet, goodbye Harry………:)
    
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    May 30, 2017 7:38pm
    - sam green
      
      Aren’t those the lines from an old Harry Webb song?
      
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      May 30, 2017 7:41pm
Left Right and Centre

Don’t forget ‘azure’. Some Americans love that shit.
That makes you ‘sophisticated’. Because you know some paint colour names. Eggshell teak. It’s a kind of a misty topaz. A delicate sunset pale tamzon urgile walnut legano. Get out of here.
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May 30, 2017 7:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  Like, say, ‘Duck Egg Blue’? Was the colour of the paint that used to go on the underside of a model Spitfire.
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Once upon a time folks just made do with old junk and hand-me downs…
    Now we are meant to be “creative” and repurpose or upcycle our old dunny rolls,etc
    http://twistedsifter.com/2012/06/creative-ways-to-repurpose-reuse-and-upcycle-old-things/
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:21pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      I saw ‘flushable wipes’ on Fair Go. Can you or anyone tell me what people actually firkin use these things for ?
      
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      May 30, 2017 8:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve just consulted Bob’s Butt wipes and it appears that after you’ve attached your corporate logo to each wipe, you can use them as a “follow-up” to toilet paper.
        http://www.bobsbuttwipes.com/
        
        p.s. Did you like the pantry contents #43 in previous link?
        
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        May 30, 2017 8:52pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      p.s. Did you like the pantry contents #43 in previous link?
      
      I was out. Yeah – excellent goodies. Unfortunately of course . . . being a food lover and weight watcher; it’s like looking at very attractive women online. You just can’t have them – so it’s a bit of a downer.
      As for the upcycle ideas – genius. And yet – the toilet roll one ? No. They’ve got to cross the line over to not just looking junky junky – like the jewellery holding muffin tin. That one is no good. Piano fountain? That’s cool. Picture frame ceiling ? Yes. I saw on TV cds used for covering surfaces. Styley.
      
      I’m abandoning debate now of anything with the words ‘flush’ or ‘flushable’ related to it. Forget it.
      
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      May 30, 2017 10:41pm
- stigie
  
  Are they Gay terms LRC just like business people saying “going forward” ?
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:05pm
  - sam green
    
    Well there’s black – then there’s VANTABLACK.
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:16pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I don’t know man – but if you ask the question ‘what colour is salmon ?’
    Er – er. hmmmm
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:28pm
Kea

Trump upsets everyone by not joining their war club and by telling the German Socialist Party where to go.

If he keeps this up he should get a second term. Which should lead the media to new levels of hysteria and intemperance.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/93160452/allies-distance-themselves-from-us-after-trumps-first-foreign-trip
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May 30, 2017 8:21pm
mikenmild

Professional whingeing Pom getting his excuses in before the Lions tour starts:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/93134181/mark-reason-refs-have-to-come-down-hard-on-backchatting-and-cheating
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May 30, 2017 8:21pm
- Kimbo
  
  I’ve been impressed by the positive attitude and statements from the Lions management and they aren’t making excuses. But Mark Reason is taking lessons from his late dad, John. He was a constant critic of the refs who administered Lions games here in the 1970s. Sometimes with good cause. And Colin Meads did make the statement that the 1971 Lions got for the test matches the one referee – John Pring – who agreed with their interpretation of line outs. Mind you, as Pinetree was a continual cheat at that phase, he may have been miffed that that (great) Lions team were even better at bending the rules than him! ?
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:40pm
  - Morrissey
    
    John Pring was not perfect of course, but New Zealand has “benefited” (if that’s the right word for something so shameful) from far more outrageously biased refereeing….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&t=2s
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:45pm
    - Kimbo
      
      First test match my dad ever saw was in 1959 when the Lions scored four tries to our none but still lost to six Don Clarke penalties. And I’m still trying to work out the reason for the last minute penalty that Grant Fox kicked to win the first test against the 1993 Lions
      
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      May 30, 2017 8:53pm
- Kea
  
  The Poms are soccer players so even a bunch of Class-A drug users and wife beater should stand a chance. Especially when owned by the one of prime corporate fraudsters in history, AIG, who were bailed out with tax dollars after bringing about a global financial collapse effecting billions of lives and costs millions of jobs. Oh and a German sweat shop company that makes cheap pseudo sports gear.
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:46pm
  - Morrissey
    
    The Poms are soccer players
    
    ????!!??
    
    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder125/500x/61736125/angela-merkel-220-maybe-im-wrong-but-it-looks-like-this-guy-is-an-fucking-idiot.jpg
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:51pm
JasonJohns

As expected the anti-white conspiracy has kicked in
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/05/self-proclaimed-historian-noel-hilliam-could-face-fine-up-to-300-000-for-damaging-m-ori-burial-site.html
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May 30, 2017 8:24pm
- Morrissey
  
  Fining vandals is an “anti-white conspiracy”, is it?
  
  https://www.chargify.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/chinhands-3.gif
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:33pm
- fernglas
  
  This is Hilliam’s big chance to show a scientific basis for his claim that he has a right to rob graves to prove that we were first colonised by the Welsh 3000 years ago. He will, of course, bring his Scottish pathologists along to Court to support his theory, and we will all applaud him when he proves all other historians wrong.
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:36pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He now says that the Scottish pathologist is dead. He refused to clarify if his death was before or after he verified these claims.
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:38pm
- itstricky
  
  Conspiracy, or just good bloody common sense that digging up and handling human remains is not something that the average Joe should be doing?
  
  You decide. The fate of The Universe is in your hands.
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:36pm
  - Kea
    
    Its only legal to mess around with YT’s burial sites.
    
    Darkie things are sacred. Not like YT things.
    
    Do carry on trying to outdo each other with fake PC outrage. Its amusing and instructive.
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:49pm
    - itstricky
      
      Since when did smirking bemusement become outrage?
      
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      May 30, 2017 8:52pm
      - Kea
        
        It was not a burial site. It was a rubbish dump of food scraps. Might pay to read the article before you begin virtue signalling, next time.
        
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        May 30, 2017 8:56pm
      - itstricky
        
        Price of fish.
        
        What’s with virtue signalling? Do you just tack that to the end of every paragraph. Makes no sense and is also completely unrelated to my comments.
        
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        May 30, 2017 9:38pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      You would be pleased with Pita then.
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-maori-diminished-universal-studios-polynesian-water-park-tiki-lounge-attraction
      
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      May 31, 2017 7:31am
- Kea
  
  “Crown entity Heritage New Zealand is investigating Noel Hilliam after he told media he had taken bones from the site of a hāngī pit on the Kaipara foreshore, in an attempt to back his claim that Māori were not the first people in New Zealand.”
  
  So when the cops dig up the remains of murder victims they are racist grave robbing vandals ? Or only if they are maori murder victims ?
  
  Special pleading – a KB specialty LOL 🙂
  
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  May 30, 2017 8:53pm
  - nasska
    
    Game, set & match! 🙂
    
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    May 30, 2017 8:59pm
    - Kea
      
      nasska, I saw a Maori guy going down the road yesterday loading bags of sacred tapu remains onto a bloody great truck with a flashing yellow light on the top and crushing them !
      
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      May 30, 2017 9:05pm
  - mikenmild
    
    87 Offence of modifying or destroying archaeological site
    (1) If an authority is required in respect of an archaeological site, every person commits an offence in respect of that site if the person, without the authority of Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga or of any person authorised by Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga,—
    (a) knows, or ought reasonably to have suspected, that the site is an archaeological site; and
    (b) modifies or destroys the archaeological site or causes it to be modified or destroyed.
    (2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding,—
    (a) in the case of an action that amounts to destruction,—
    (i) $150,000 in the case of a natural person:
    (ii) $300,000 in the case of a person other than a natural person; and
    (b) in the case of an action that amounts to modification,—
    (i) $60,000 in the case of a natural person:
    (ii) $120,000 in the case of a person other than a natural person.
    
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    May 30, 2017 9:05pm
    - Kea
      
      Offence of modifying or destroying food scraps ?
      
      oh dear milky, do try harder 🙂
      
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      May 30, 2017 9:08pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I take offence at that legislation. Any person who modifies an archaeological site may be liable to a fine of $60,000; but if that person is not a natural person the fine is double. Surely this is a blight on Green Party members who are all unnatural people.
      Green Party acolytes should not be punished like this. It is grossly unfair.
      
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      May 30, 2017 9:45pm
itstricky

after he told media he had taken bones from the site of a hāngī pit

I imagine the dead Scottish archeologist took him there (after he died)
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May 30, 2017 9:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thought I’d better look up exactly what is an archaeological site.

The Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act 2014 defines an archaeological site as a place associated with pre-1900 human activity, where there may be evidence relating to the history of New Zealand.
http://www.heritage.org.nz/protecting-heritage/archaeology

Oh dear… I’d better not look too hard when I’m digging over my spud patch….
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May 30, 2017 9:54pm
- Kea
  
  Maggy, Look out for rocks. It was a stone age culture. Bits of wood and food scraps are another give away. All are very very sacred apparently.
  
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  May 30, 2017 10:11pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You’re as ignorant of Maori culture as you are of British football.
    
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    May 31, 2017 10:53am
Rachael Membery

Now that is funny, and possibly the response that we should all use 🙂
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/scam-overseas-phone-fraudster-gets-rude-shock-he-realises-hes-called-nz-police
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