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Paulus Gnome

Anyone but W o O
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May 29, 2017 8:03am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/93074210/scott-dixon-survives-terrifying-crash-at-the-indy-500

It’s days like those you say thanks to the engineers that build your life.
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May 29, 2017 8:03am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so cmm; the safety features in the cars, the equipment used by the drivers, and at the tracks has constantly evolved.
  
  Dixon hit the barrier upside-down. Fortunately, after the death of Dale Earnhardt at Daytona in 2001, NASCAR mandated “safer barriers” at all the tracks it races on, and IndyCar has followed suit. Instead of making direct contact with a solid concrete wall, there is a crush layer that absorbs some of the impact. It’s probably one of the most significant safety advances in motorsport.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:47am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Scott was lucky his head didn’t contact with the safety barrier when his car came down upside down onto that wall.
    That crash must be in the top most spectacular crashes. Glad to see you came out unscathed Scott.
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:52am
Captain Mainwaring

Did anyone else see the story on Newshub last night where the loser in Pukekohe bought some cheap-looking house five years ago and now there’s a problem with the shitty-looking cladding?
In his carport was a yellow 1992 Saab Turbo convertible.
Seems that this guy is predisposed to making bad decisions. Why should we feel sorry for him?
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May 29, 2017 8:04am
- sooty
  
  Probably a Labour voter as well.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:07am
- cmm
  
  All part of the housing crisis.
  
  Bill and his mates should go over there and have a working bee.
  
  Maybe Jacinda can go too if the bog is broken.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:12am
  - skyblue
    
    Thats the reason why the cladding is stuffed, Jacinda did fix the shitter.
    
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    May 29, 2017 11:30am
- doggone7
  
  I saw that. I didn’t expect to see anyone scorn him because he bought a property that ended up having problems. Let’s start a ‘Put the Boot into Buyers of Leaky Homes” thread shall we?
  
  Some though might be too busy counting their Carter Holt profits and wallowing in them to contribute to that page.
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:28am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m sorry, but the rest of us have known what a leaky building looks like for 15 years now. Why is this guy so deserving of our sympathy? What’s worse is that given the yellow 1992 Saab, he’s likely to be an architect.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:52am
kowtow

The big international story of the day is Merkel saying the EU can’t fully rely on the US and UK .

I’d say Europeans can’t rely on Merkel.
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May 29, 2017 8:05am
- cmm
  
  Merkel still has her brain in East Germany. She is not, and never has been, a Westerner.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:14am
- holysheet
  
  The europeans are pissed at Trump for daring to insist that they pay their way in the nato funding row. Why should the yanks pay for most of it.
  Time for a reality check for Frau Merkel. Get your own house in order first by beefing up your defenses against the invading hordes of scum from the middle east and africa.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Some reports are saying 6 or 7 million waiting in North Africa to cross to Europe.
    
    Why not, when they are a ready source of income for the traffickers who don’t even need to get them out of Libyan waters before they are ‘rescued’.
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:42am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes and cosying up to the duplicitous cheese eating surrender monkeys will only end in tears, just a question of when really. I am confident GB inc. will not cross the Channel to save any sorry European arse again anytime soon
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:23am
  - MCos
    
    No choice unless they pull out of NATO as well and that is highly unlikely.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:47am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  This tells us nothing except that she’s a politician with an election coming up and she knows that picking a fight with Trump will generate positive media coverage for her.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:49am
- peterwn
  
  Yet it was the Yanks and the Brits (and the Russians) who bailed Germany out after WW2. The VW brand probably would not exist now if it were not for the British Army getting Beetle production up and running after WW2..
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:51am
  - MCos
    
    You forgot to mention the 1966 World Cup.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      and the summer of ’66
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:31am
    - Kimbo
      
      You forgot to mention the 1966 World Cup.
      
      One way traffic in every game that counted (World Cups and European Championships) since then!
      
      As per Gary Lineker: “Football is a simple game, with 22 players, at the end of which you give the winner’s trophy to the Germans”.
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:34am
- Ross12
  
  kowtow
  I thought another telling statement in recent days came from the Head of NATO. He said that in the fight against terrorism they were “committed” but they would play a role in intelligence gathering not committing troupes ( is they way I read it).
  “The chief of NATO, ahead of American President Donald Trump’s speech, said the alliance would join the U.S.-led coalition combating the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), but it may not “engage in combat operations.”
  http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/25/nato-chief-alliance-will-join-coalition-against-islamic-state-but-may-not-engage-in-combat/
  
  So what is he expecting ? The USA to do all the grunt work and sacrifice lives while they sit drinking lattes ? Gutless.
  Maybe he and Merkel should get their stories in align.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:06am
- GazzaW
  
  Merkel forgets whose tanks have guarded the Fulda Gap against the Soviet Army for all those years. A bizarre accusation given that Germany has never paid its fair share in NATO.
  
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  May 29, 2017 12:06pm
oldpark

Seems our PPTA are pushing for what they call gender neutral uniforms.in NZ schools.
Perhaps they haven’t thought it through. A recent published article puts it in context.
“It is not possible ,nor desirable, to try and be gender neutral all the time”.
Because most of us have a gender we identify with,whatever that is.Pretending that gender dosn’t exist,or isn’t important,could be seen as similar to suggesting that race ( even though it is socially constructed) somehow dosn’t exist or isn’t important.
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May 29, 2017 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Wondering who needs more help , the gender challenged or the PPTA.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:22am
  - RalphT
    
    Do you even need to ask that question?
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:26am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I thought a union was there to help and protect it’s members not try to dictate policy. Yet another reason not to vote Labour.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:06am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I think you’ll find that gender identity is very, very highly correlated with biological gender. I forget the statistic, but it’s around 0.95 to 0.96 (out a maximum of 1.0).
  Interestingly enough, in societies where there is the highest equality between the sexes (legally and socially), the differentiation between the sexes tends to maximize, due to the innate differences in interests between the sexes. This is why in Sweden there is a 20:1 female:male ratio in nursing, yet 20:1 male:female in engineering.
  
  In other words: social constructionism is WRONG.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:23am
  - SGA
    
    Wasn’t sure what “social constructionism” meant, so I looked it up.
    
    … a theory of knowledge in sociology and communication theory that examines the development of jointly constructed understandings of the world that form the basis for shared assumptions about reality. The theory centers on the notions that human beings rationalize their experience by creating models of the social world and share and reify these models through language.
    
    As to whether it’s right or wrong, I don’t know (it seems relatively benign) – but I’m not sure how it applies here?
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:02am
    - cmm
      
      Basically:
      
      Social construct: If you can think you are a dog you can be a dog and society must accept that. At work, you can come to work naked and HR must find somebody to scratch you behind your ears and take you for walks when you want.
      
      Biological : If you can’t lick your balls you’re not a dog.
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:21am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The main criticism of “social constructionism” is that it generally ignores biological influences on behavior or culture.
      In other words, social constructionism argues that your sexual identity is what you choose it to be. (This will be very bad news for homosexuals who claim that they have been this way since birth and that their preclusion is biological.)
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:22am
      - cmm
        
        Odakyu-sen you see how strong the social conditioning is. It has warped your mind.
        
        You probably believe that only women have the internal plumbing to make babies.
        
        You probably also think that testosterone is natural. It is not. It is an adverse reaction to the myth of masculinity being pushed onto the vaginally challenged.
        
        …. or something like that!
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:17am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Intersex people possess any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals
        
        that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, “do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies”.[1][2] Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.
        …….
        According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., 1.7 percent of human births are intersex, including variations that may not become apparent until, for example, puberty, or until attempting to conceive.[134][135] Some clinicians do not favor such definitions.
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:29am
      - cmm
        
        Gruffydd
        
        Sure such people do exist, but they are an inconsequentially small part of the population and it is disingenuous to use them as a reason to make sweeping changes in social policy etc.
        
        The vast majority of people who change their gender etc have no such biological ambiguity. They are boys and want to be girls, or vice versa.
        
        Now I really don’t care if people want to dress up as the opposite sex or be homosexual etc. That’s their choice. I have gay and tranny friends and acquaintances.
        
        I do however have concerns about bending society to fit them.
        
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        May 29, 2017 3:07pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …as I understand “social constructionism”, and as I interpret Odakyu-sen’s comment in relation to the transgender issue, a social constructionist approach would reject the idea, grounded in logical positivism, that there are “objective” biological norms such as male and female. Instead, as is sometimes argued here on KB, “gender” is a social and psychological interpretation, so it can be different for different people.
      
      I think the fallacy in Odakyu-sen’s approach is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, segregation in the USA, or apartheid in South Africa were social constructions that did not need to be. Also, as much as I loathe the results when taken to a logical extreme, critical theory such as Marxism, gender and ethnic studies and feminism can reveal the illegtimate and/or unjust exercise of power. But in the main, you have to “choose your horse”, although it helps to understand and appreciate why others with a different paradigm of understanding view and interpret data the way they do. If not, we all speak past Yoza without engaging with him! 😉
      
      For what it is worth, I find post-positivism (there may be objective reality but it is always filtered through our personal and cultural biases and fallible minds and systems) is the horse I ride these days. Truth may be objective but our grasp of it is always an approximation and must remain in some sense provisional, no matter how sure we are that 1+1+2, “transgenderism” is a psychological disorder (laymen’s term: a load of s&%t), or that the earth is round 😉
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:28am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Kimbo,
        Do you tend to view the world around you as consisting of groups of “oppressors” being mean to “the oppressed” and do you feel obliged to solve this “problem” by ensuring that outcomes are equal?
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:31am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, not in the main. Hence I reject the critical theory that gives rise to that assumption, and exercise that thing called “common sense”. Anyone who has seen my exchanges with Yoza would see that.
        
        Which leads me at times to look at the analysis of , say, Marxism or his Bakuninian anarchism and say “in the main this is bullshit, and I hate your one-size-fits-all dialectic solution and the predictability of your tedious ideology,…but some of your insights are valid and/or worthwhile". Which is what I also so with “social constructionism”, and also poststructuralism or any other analytical/interpretive paradigm of whatever "reality" may be. Including the “logical positivism” on which our modern science and technology is built.
        
        If not you run the risk of not only assuming something is true when it may not be so, but you also lack any "outside tools" to critique your assumptions. If are convinced that black swans do not exist, what tests do you have to potentially falsify that belief so it remains empirically grounded, rather than becoming a dogma? If you want to know what water is like….don't ask a fish.
        
        So I'd suggest the problems come when
        
        1. you reject in total other paradigms as a potential tool for mental hygiene
        
        2. you slavishly take any chosen primary paradigm to its ultimate extreme. I think that is what you are critiquing concerning “social constructionism”, in which case I agree.
        
        3. you talk past someone with a different paradigm, built on different assumptions 9and all of them have assumptions that mean, at some point they are “hanging” rather than built on absolutely verifiable reality – Descartes taught us that!), rather than engaging in a dialogue by examining the assumptions of both the other person, but also my own.
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:03am
      - cmm
        
        Kimbo:
        
        “Paradigm” only works if you use it at most once per post.
        
        It is overly simplistic to talk of oppressors and the oppressed and I struggle to see how you can join the dots from a boy wanting to wear a dress to apartheid.
        
        If a bloke wants to wear a dress and force his worldview onto society (ie. they must now call him Jane and let him use the women’s loo) is he being the oppressor or the oppressed? Perhaps you can clarify.
        
        ” I hate your one-size-fits-all dialectic solution”.
        
        Surely if we have a just and fair society then everyone should be treated the same and all policies should be based on principles. ie. one size fits all.
        
        We should treat everyone the same and hold them to the same standards. There should not be special rules for one sex/race/gender/age or if you want to change these attributes to reshape your identity.
        
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        May 29, 2017 3:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Kimbo:
        
        “Paradigm” only works if you use it at most once per post.
        
        Interesting. Does that also apply to “bloke” (2x in your above post. Over-compensation?), or even “snowflake”? 😉
        
        It is overly simplistic to talk of oppressors and the oppressed
        
        Yep, hence my words “Hence I reject the critical theory”. You do know what that is? Examples include Marxism, feminism, ethnic and anti-colonial studies, LBGT studies…
        
        and I struggle to see how you can join the dots from a boy wanting to wear a dress to apartheid.
        
        Maybe that’s because you have too much skin in the game, and have invested too much emotional capital. For example, as per your post at 9:28AM, “It’s just more war on masculinity “, it seems you are determined to wage war as you did against the Cubans in Angola 😉
        
        I’d suggest that is what is leading you to assume I am a Marxist, or supporter of ““social constructionism”, hence your question:
        
        If a bloke wants to wear a dress and force his worldview onto society (ie. they must now call him Jane and let him use the women’s loo) is he being the oppressor or the oppressed? Perhaps you can clarify.
        
        From the perspective of “social constructionism”, yes. But then it’s not a paradigm (does that count as ‘one’ on the word count, seeing as I was only quoting you quoting me above?) to which I subscribe, and I don’t think it is a sensible or authentic way to address the primary empirical issues of life. Or have you also overlooked that I was explaining, in response to SGA’s question what “social constructionism” is, rather thann announcing my card-carrying membership of the “social constructionism” Liberation Front?
        
        ” I hate your one-size-fits-all dialectic solution”.
        
        Surely…
        
        Now, now. In the ordinary course of events that would be an unnecessary excessive adverb, but as what follows is sarcasm, feel free to adverb bomb-drop away! 😉
        
        if we have a just and fair society then everyone should be treated the same and all policies should be based on principles. ie. one size fits all.
        
        We should treat everyone the same and hold them to the same standards. There should not be special rules for one sex/race/gender/age or if you want to change these attributes to reshape your identity.
        
        From within the “social constructionism” tent, yes, that is the argument. And you seem to have missed the meaning of my words to Odakyu-sen, “the problems come when…you slavishly take any chosen primary paradigm to its ultimate extreme”.
        However, other than ridiculing, preaching to the choir and massaging your own beliefs and assumptions, you have failed to engage, let alone convince anyone with the views you parody.
        
        However, if you feel good, then…mission accomplished. But if that is the extent of the contribution you can contribute to the (to quote you) “war”, this time I suspect the dialectic equivalent of the Cubans will eventually triumph 😉
        
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        May 29, 2017 4:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Then you are completely unaware of the constructivist reconstruction of the NZ education system that was undertaken in the 1980s – led by Waikato uni.
      
      I first encountered it when this chap was fiddling around with the science and maths curriculum
      http://educa.univpm.it/inglese/matthews.html
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:40am
      - KevOB
        
        The more jargon the less the truth. The Mathews paper explain the mess maths education is in. When GST calculation is repetitively taught at years 9, 10 and 11 something is wrong. That should be out of the way by year 7. The notion that all ways of computing 8×9 to fetch 72 is wasteful and presupposes a suitably matched thinking pattern uncommon among humans. Basic maths facts like as quoted can be instilled for life within a very few weeks. Schools are morphing into baby sitting clubs. Thankfully my 3 children in the system have each chosen alternative schools as they don’t tolerate boredom.
        If everything is of equal value nothing is of any value (Gilbert & Sullivan, sort of). Anarchy by another name and form.
        
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        May 29, 2017 1:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The constructivist approach to teaching in the classroom was the airy-fairy stuff I was exposed to at Training Coll. in the 1990s…
        
        Might be wonderful in theory… but with a limit of 1 hour or less to get a basic idea taught.. you haven’t got time for each student to discover & construct their own concept of emf or wave harmonics…..
        
        best just to deliver the facts.. set up an experiment or two and tell them to suck it up…
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And that’s how logical positivism triumphs by default, pragmatism, and the exercise of hegemony! 😉
        
        But carry on as you were, because I still want the technology the egg heads make possible 😉
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Let’s fire up this debate.
        
        Is constructivism in education going to make the economic ship New Zealand sail faster or is it going to turn it into a rust tub with lazy mutineers perpetually babbling and arguing about the vessel’s course and command?
        
        Kimbo: if you’re going to pick up something out of each “paradigm” – which I take means ideology or philosophy – what are you going to pick out of, say constructionism?
        
        I would select that it has provided perhaps the greatest historic example since haruspication of useless group thinking. It’s ignorance-wrapped-as-enigma hogwash. Abstraction, after abstraction. Foucault makes Karl Marx look like a paragon of clear, concrete, and concise discourse.
        
        How does it measure progress? Fore example, how does social constructivism measure the invention of the transistor, one of the greatest technology advances in history?
        
        Here we have the work of the brilliant scientist and engineer, William Shockley, leading a team of three at the capitalist-finance ideas power house, Bell Laboratories.
        
        Shockley’s controversial personal views and philosophy on non-technology matters, namely race and genetics, would surely see social constructivists rub his name out of education textbooks as a non-person.
        
        Given that social constructivism generally ignores biological influences on behaviour, this pseudo-philosophy is in many ways the polar opposite of Shockley in his second claim to fame or notoriety – espousing the primacy of genetics.
        
        Who has benefited mankind more? Shockley’s team or the followers of Foucault?
        
        Constructivism shows little tolerance for other ideas. Should it itself be shown any tolerance?
        
        1. This will wind up any constructivists reading. Shockley explains what he calls his “race-ology:”
        https://youtu.be/sAszZr3SkEs
        
        2. Social constructivism explained for those like me who are wary of its abstractions upon abstractions:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructionism
        
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        May 29, 2017 8:06pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Seems that the PPTA’s call for gender neutral uniforms, etc is in the airy fairy basket. Surely the teachers union should be concentrating on providing the best teaching staff they can for the betterment of education. That is what kids need, great teachers committed to imparting knowledge for their futures. In my day there were too many half-hearted teachers who didn’t put much effort into their teaching technique.
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Doubtless this will become Labour Party policy very soon…
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    By lunchtime given their desperation to gain any sort of traction
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:53am
- David Garrett
  
  oldpark: This bullshit seems to be a solution looking for a problem: Does anyone have any reliable figures on just how many “gender confused” (or transgender or whatever term you wish) there are at schools these days?
  
  At the High School I went to, I can’t remember a single one, although 3 or 4 out of 300 were notably effeminate, and later came out as gay. Or perhaps the transgender chaps were there, and I just wasn’t sensitive enough to notice it?
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:51am
  - SGA
    
    Or perhaps the transgender chaps were there, and I just wasn’t sensitive enough to notice it?
    
    Perhaps they scared you might take them “dunny diving” if you had any inkling they were like that. 🙂
    Joking aside – tolerance for anyone a bit “different” wasn’t great when we were teenagers, David. Not sure how much that has changed, but anyone a bit “poofie” got hammered (in some way) at the high school I went to.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:12am
    - David Garrett
      
      SGA: I don’t disagree with what you say…but back in the early-mid seventies when I was at secondary school, we didn’t really know what “homos” were…although we used the term…but you are right: the “pansies” got a bit of a hard time…but not that hard; I don’t remember any of them getting beaten up for that reason alone…ridiculed and mimicked yes…
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:38am
      - SGA
        
        back in the early-mid seventies when I was at secondary school, we didn’t really know what “homos” were…
        
        Really? Same general era, and we knew some men liked “bumming” other men. We knew what, for example, “Mr Humphries” on “Are you being served” and some of Dick Emery’s characters were supposed to be.
        
        I don’t remember any of them getting beaten up for that reason alone…ridiculed and mimicked yes…
        
        Those who didn’t or couldn’t hide it got bullied one way or another, David, and/or ostracized (if you were friends of someone a bit “suspect”, well what would that say about you).
        My point is that that looking back to the good ol’ days and saying “Didn’t see so much it back then” is misleading. The cost of being labelled as different in such ways was considerably greater.
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:00am
    - Kimbo
      
      I don’t remember any of them getting beaten up for that reason alone…ridiculed and mimicked yes…
      
      I do and Google tells me I am about 10 younger than you! Maybe you were a bit tamer in Gisborne, but you didn’t even have to be gay in the school I went to (albeit a boys school with a lot of macho posturing). Just being slightly different, and/or effeminate and/or well-mannered would get you a bloody good beating for no other reason that…you were.
      
      Not proud that I was part of that from time to time.
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:41am
  - Longknives
    
    Do Fat Kids and Shy Kids get their own Bathrooms as well? (High School can be pretty rough on them also)
    What about Gingers?
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:16am
  - cmm
    
    It’s just more war on masculinity.
    
    The way they’re pushing it these days it seems straight people are just confused gay people that haven’t come out yet.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:28am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Girls who are boys
      Who like boys to be girls
      Who do boys like they’re girls
      Who do girls like they’re boys.
      
      Same is it ever was, well in 1994 at least.
      
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      May 29, 2017 11:10am
  - Disaster Area
    
    This is part of the problem. I recall a school in London was being refurbished and they surveyed the students about what they wanted in the new buildings. A unisex toilet area was top of the list. The reasons given was that the single gender toilets was where a lot of the bullying took place.
    
    As for uniforms, having a choice of unisex clothing will make buying shorts, shirts and jerseys a lot cheaper for families. School uniforms are outrageously expensive for what they are.
    
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    May 29, 2017 4:59pm
- Southern Raider
  
  So Auckland schools are struggling for resource and classrooms to cope with growing number of students.
  
  Taxpayers are required more and more to make constant donations due to decile funding systems
  
  And PPTA wants to change uniforms and for schools to build gender neutral toilets
  
  Please god let Labour back their unions on this
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:03am
- G152
  
  Gotta protect those snowflakes 🙁
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:05am
- MCos
  
  I don’t have particularly strong views on school uniforms, oldpark, but I hope the standard of punctuation has improved since your day, mate.
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:24am
  - VicParking
    
    Did you understand what he was saying. Puncuation and spelling are unimportant as long as the message gets across.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      Often true. And unlike MCos:
      
      I don’t have particularly strong views on school uniforms…
      
      …you didn’t resort to an unnecessary and excessive adverb. Just saying, in case you wanted another resource to counter a nit-picker, as well as helping to turn Kimbo’s law into a meme. 😉
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:52am
      - MCos
        
        I have mild views on school uniforms . . .
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:09am
      - Kimbo
        
        Well done – and in doing so you confirm that, with language via positiva/the way of affirmation (“I have…”) is usually (justified adverb!) more precise and nuanced than via negativa/the way of negation (“I don’t have…”).
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:13am
      - starboard
        
        Do you have any mates Nigel ?
        
        Didn’t think so.
        
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        May 29, 2017 12:19pm
      - SPC
        
        An unnecessary adverb it might be, but I often have this mental picture of a teacher standing “akimbo” when informing a student of correct uniform policy.
        
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        May 29, 2017 1:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Your mental picture is a chimera.
        
        Correct uniforms, like correct spelling and grammar, is for nit-pickers. Kimbo’s law is concerned with exposing deceitful rhetoric. So it is pursues with the noble matter of…truth.
        
        Nonetheless, thank you for your contribution to turn it into a meme.
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:17pm
    - MCos
      
      Why get bogged down in toilet issues when the primary reason for attending school is neglected.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:06am
      - sooty
        
        Reading, writing, arithmetic!
        
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        May 29, 2017 5:21pm
  - oldpark
    
    Good point,seems by the same token,you wouldn’t know shit from clay.
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:12am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Schools have lots of toilets. Just designate one as unisex, and keep all the other toilets as male or female. It’s not difficult or expensive and everyone has a toilet that suits them.
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:37am
  - Scott
    
    Nigel – I don’t think this is just about toilets? I think this is about reality. There are some people who want to redefine reality and eliminate male and female and in the name of equality make everything gender neutral.
    
    Eliminating masculine and feminine uniforms seems to be about eliminating the difference between sexes. It’s also about people being able to choose who they are without any limits.
    
    It of course is an attack on traditional understandings of male and female, of being created male and female by God. It is probably even an attack on evolutionary understandings, because evolution requires male and female reproduction.
    
    In other words it is an attack on reality itself. We should resist this. I’d be very uncomfortable sending my children to schools who want to eliminate gender.
    
    Also a brick bat to the New Zealand Herald that makes this nonsense it’s front page story. As usual the media colluding in the overturning of Western civilisation. Utterly hopeless!
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:59am
    - SPC
      
      Leave realism to those who do not believe that woman came from the rib of a man.
      
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      May 29, 2017 1:33pm
      - SPC
        
        And as to sex, and or gender of language, the whole idea that God can create male and female in “their our image” and yet be a father is sort of disturbing.
        
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        May 29, 2017 1:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        While making allowance for the fact that Scott left himself open to that given his literal application of Genesis 1 chapter, in the original context “image” is a reflection within humanity of dynamic qualities. While modern Hebrew revived the word used, tselem, and applied it to “photograph”, that is an anachronism in Scripture.
        
        In Genesis the Hebrew image/tselem is taken from the ancient practices of conquering kings, who, on departing from their new-vassal territory, would leaving behind a tselem/monument of some sort that asserted their on-going rulership. So “image” in Genesis 1 is not literal, but a reflection of delegated qualities and authority with which humanity is endowed.
        
        More simply put, you are trying to make an analogy (two things, God and humans, that are different except in one respect) do too much. Muslims do the same when Christians say Christ is “Son of God…”. No we don’t believe God has sexual relations with the virgin Mary.
        
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        May 29, 2017 1:56pm
      - SPC
        
        Which leads onto social construct, the conqueror (whether king or prophet) determining the nature of the God to the population of the territory.
        
        Reshit, as renewed or reformed social construct, such as Catholic to Protestant Christendom etc.
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:11pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Sure, if you want to view it that way. Is an undeniable fact that all texts, including Scripture, are forms of communication designed to create and/or shape social reality in some way. All communication, including written language, is a social activity often designed to control, persuade, or affirm. Indeed your post was such an attempt.
        
        However, as I’ve suggested before you seem to assume that is the entire extent to which the Scriptures corresponds to reality. Which is an apriori assumption there is no inherent and dynamic authority within them. Not insisting that there is, but your haste to fit them into your schema of understanding closes the doors to alternatives, and looks a bit like…the dogmatism you criticise in others. Hence you misunderstood the meaning of “image” in the original text.
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:28pm
      - SPC
        
        This began with a questioning of those of faith playing the reality card, when reality is based on what we know, not what is not known.
        
        Of course some of faith try to impose a faith social construct on society, to make the burden of this a reality to those around them.
        
        Their questioning the social construct of “latter day” political correctness is a monstrous hypocrisy. Of chimera proportions – much like their end time prophecy.
        
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        May 29, 2017 3:51pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Personally the changes aren’t that big a deal. Girls can where shorts instead of a skirt – fine all good. As long as the skirt option remains for those who want it. And offering a locked toilet changing option. Good, a number of kids may find this option better. If you’ve been sexually abused, or just very shy, or your religion requires modesty. But they have to turn everything into their trendy marxist handbook which says 2017 is all about transgenderism. It’s the global group think and labelling that I find concerning. I wonder what David Bowie would have been called. He morphed through many different experimental expressions of who he was. He was just David Bowie.
      
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      May 29, 2017 2:48pm
Paulus

I am interested to see that the Ministry of Education are still looking at the underpayment of Teachers and Associated staff pay debacle.
This stems back to 2003 when Labour brought in the Holiday’s Act and has still not been understood in any interpretation – probably the whyfore at the time.
When Trevor introduced the Novopay scheme it was to sort this out.
As I understand the pay arrangements for the Teaching “profession” which now cover 100,000 people is the most complicated arrangement which anybody could possibly make. There could be something like 10,000 permutations to a single person’s pay. So any stuff up with bad legislation is understandable.
When I last understood that there was something like $35,000,000 underpayments BUT there was something like $43,000,000 over payments which the Union’s have said they will not pay back.
May you live in Election times !!!!
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May 29, 2017 8:11am
- KevOB
  
  Teachers were a peculiar breed when I was on the public counters many years ago at IRD. They never got their returns right or could not do them and questioned instructions which were plain to all except them. It wasn’t activism either but some mental state that set them apart. How persons like that could be trusted to impart knowledge I don’t know. They would have needed to dissect everything to present their filtered version.
  
  The above is consistent with their diverse payroll. Everyone would be unique.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:33pm
Inandout

Wear whatever gender uniform suits, or however you feel on that day? Well I feel sorry for hetrosexual boys who want to ‘chase a bit of skirt’; could get messy.
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May 29, 2017 8:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What’s the difference between men and women? I hear you ask.
  
  Women like doing things with people; men like doing people with things.
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu sen, did you miss out the thing that women are like chattels in the rabid right scheme of things ?
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      In your mind perhaps, not mine
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:34am
    - Rich Prick
      
      No, that would be in Islam.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:00am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      In the rabid right scheme of things woman are a valuable partner in the traditional household and the cornerstone of a healthy community.
      
      But I can see how you misunderstand that, being from India and English being your second language Stephie.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        Padriv Ustoev , your traditonal household not that different to the Taliban?
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:04am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      stephieboy,
      
      What did we talk about yesterday…
      You are projecting your desire to see women as chattels.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:36am
      - stephieboy
        
        “You are projecting your desire to see women as chattels.”
        
        Examples ?
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You objectify them by looking at Porn.
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:29am
      - starboard
        
        ..and you perv at ” young nubile muslim girls ” when visiting Starbucks St Lukes.
        
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        May 29, 2017 12:23pm
BarryB

So – the PPTA wants gender neutral uniforms and toilets in schools.
Ive always thought that the PPTA and the NZEI are useless outfits whose main aims are political. Care of teachers is way down their list.

So one must ask in what way doing this would help teachers?
Will it lower their workload?
Will it increase their pay? (They were paid the same as backbench MPs back in 1960, Today they get half that amount at best).
Will it lesson discipline problems at school?
Will it help the pupils?
Will it increase the numbers of students whose ability to read and write is up to an acceptabler standard?
And Im sure there are lots more questions…

But the answer to the ones above are NO.

Where these people get these stupid ideas?
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May 29, 2017 8:14am
- BarryB
  
  UPDATE – UPDATE…
  The PPTA want changing rooms included as gender neutral as well.
  
  Im almost 70, but Im going to see if someone of my age is allowed to attend school. I would fail everything and have to spend years there. Of course I would be enrolled in every subject that required many changes of clothes….,…
  
  Insane arent they…………..
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have these folks recommending gender neutral/ sexless dunnies ever visited a boys’ toilet complex?
    
    It was the one area of school duties I refused to do….
    I was happy enough to wander through the swim and Gym changing rooms and let boys change for sports in my classroom… but I was not going to enter their dunnies.
    
    Teenage boys stink; their toilet habits are foul..
    their dunnies are a major health hazard.
    Don’t let them foul the girls’ loos.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:09am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Maggy Wassilieff, was that back in the 1940s -1950s ?
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No stephieboy,
        
        I’m volunteering at local high schools now…
        so lets say it spans the last 60 years.. from 1950s until 2017.
        
        Do you have daughters?
        Would you be happy with your 10 year-old daughter/niece/neighbour’s child having to enter a changing room/toilet block just as the lads from the first 15 come off the rugby field into the changing room?
        
        (p.s. don’t disappear….. answer the questions)
        
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        May 29, 2017 9:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff,
        
        I have daughter aged 19 and a son 21 .
        
        The toilet blocks at their schools were scrupuously clean so your concerns are not an issue .
        
        Is that how Gisborne teens live ?
        
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        May 29, 2017 9:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The toilet blocks at their schools were scrupuously clean
        
        My goodness, was this an exclusive school?
        or were they just clean on Parent’s night?
        Did you ever visit the dunnies in the afternoon on a sunny, hot day?
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:11am
      - stephieboy
        
        Visit the dunnies on a hut afternoon ? Not my scene but maybe it was because they were smaller Cathloic schools ( more easier to manage lavatory block cleanliness )
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:23am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        They were clean compared to the standards of India. Stephie’s ancestral homeland
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        Padriv Ustoev,
        
        Where did you get the stupid idea that I’m Indian ?
        
        What about your ancestral homeland ?
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:31am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Either Stephie hangs around School toilets or he inquires about their condition from his children.
        Either is rather ……odd.
        
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        May 29, 2017 11:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Is that how Gisborne teens live
        
        I didn’t raise my teens here in Gizzy, so I’m not really sure.
        
        But tell me something I don’t quite get.
        How could the father of a 19 year-old girl post that image of Ms Trump’s vagina on a public blog?
        
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        May 29, 2017 12:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ,from whom did you inherit your puerility and churlishness from?
        
        Mummsy ?
        
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        May 29, 2017 1:16pm
      - calendar girl
        
        A very reasonable question, Maggy @ 9:32am, and one the deserves an honest response.
        
        Stephie commented on another matter at 1:16pm (immediately below your question), so he will be well aware of what you have asked. My guess is that he will just try to slither away; he wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude to provide a straight answer.
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:37pm
    - Fletch
      
      Yes, boys changing rooms have that particular odour – you know it when you smell it. Like week-old unwashed clothes or something.
      
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      May 29, 2017 12:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Calendar Girl
      
      It’s not stephieboy’s role to answer questions here, or be an honest broker…although he demands such of other folks.
      
      No, he hasn’t told us if he would be happy with a pre-pubescent girl entering the changing room-toilet complex full of a bunch of large 18-19 year old MEN
      (because that’s the make-up of many schools’ first 15 rugby teams now).
      
      He also didn’t answer my question about how a father of a 19 yr old daughter could post a porn pic here on KB.
      But, on reflection, I don’t want to know the answer to that question.
      
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      May 29, 2017 5:05pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    They’re also insisting that lockable shower cubicles be provided. Presumably that’s not so 6 students at once can hide in there to smoke dope? Or to indulge in some teenage behaviour with members of whichever gender identification spins their wheels?
    
    Do these PPTA rainbow numpties know anything at all about young people?
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:42am
- Reid
  
  Where these people get these stupid ideas?
  
  Cultural marxism, straight out of the commie playbook.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3T_H2LZ54
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid, you mean the “Jewish ” playbook ?
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:33am
- Flash
  
  God only knows.
  But who will be the toilet monitors? Teachers? Students? Teachers’ aides?
  Or will they have video screens keeping an eye on ‘bathroom’ activities?
  
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  May 29, 2017 11:58am
duggledog

National:

Breaking the teacher unions: Fail
Addressing the gang problem: Fail
Resetting Councils to their core responsibilities: Fail
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May 29, 2017 8:17am
kowtow

Plod takes credit when the “owner of Trade Me Again, a second-hand shop next to Balmoral Dairy, Derek Taylor, said he called police about 6pm when he saw two youths loitering and acting suspiciously across the road from the shop.”

”As a result of the officers’ attention to detail, a subsequent robbery approximately 50 minutes later of the Balmoral Dairy was solved very quickly,” Det Sgt Henderson said.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dairy-robbers-not-very-smart-witness-says
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May 29, 2017 8:20am
- calendar girl
  
  I hope this newspaper’s naming of the neighbouring ‘informant’ doesn’t result in the latter being exposed to retribution from criminal mates of those apprehended.
  
  Naming of the Balmoral Dairy was fine; but it made little sense to identify the good Samaritan who helped Police detain the Dairy’s youthful robbers.
  
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  May 29, 2017 2:53pm
kowtow

The Muslim war on Christians continues.

“Marawi police officer Jamail C Mangadang told Reuters the eight men found dead were carpenters who were part of an evacuation convoy stopped by rebels late on Saturday.

Recalling information provided by their manager, Mangadang said the victims were pulled off a truck because they were unable to cite verses of the Koran, the Islamic Holy text.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/331774/bodies-of-civilians-dumped-near-philippines-city
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May 29, 2017 8:23am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, Philippine’s a Christian Country ?
  
  “Thousands dead: the Philippine president, the death squad allegations and a brutal drugs war”
  
  Now in a safe house, a former police officer fears for his life after allegedly exposing Rodrigo Duterte’s role in extrajudicial killings when mayor of Davao..
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/02/philippines-president-duterte-drugs-war-death-squads
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:42am
  - Manolo
    
    stephieboy, you will do whatever it takes to defend fellow Muslims, won’t you?
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, no I don’t . Murder of civilians etc is unjustified by anyone whether Christian or Muslim.
      
      Whilst the Philippines is predominantly Catholic it is no more Christian than New Zealand .
      
      Also the actions of Rodrigo Duterte where innocent civilians have been caught in the crossfire with his so called war on drugs suggest its not.
      
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      May 29, 2017 9:49am
      - starboard
        
        Namaste stupidboy, aaj aap kaise hain ?
        
        Where can I find a decent samosa and some onion bhajees ?
        
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        May 29, 2017 12:27pm
  - Duxton
    
    Thanks, but as soon as I saw it was from a website linked to The Guardian, I stopped reading.
    
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    May 29, 2017 12:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Duterte is a monster… but it looks like the Phillipines are starting to implode
  
  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/philippines-calls-peace-talks-communist-rebels-170528203757454.html
  
  http://news.mb.com.ph/2017/05/28/duterte-ready-to-recruit-rebels-to-fight-terror-nur-offers-men/
  
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  May 29, 2017 11:20am
Happychappy

Labour must think they are doing all right in their quest for a war chest to fight the September 2017 General Election after recieving a $100,000 donation from a retired Judge. They also commented that the Judge also endorsed the good policy they have going into the Election.
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May 29, 2017 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  Has the Judge been given pilocy not yet aviable to the public as I have not seen any “good” policy yet
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  It is probable that the judge was a radical, one of those who are very soft on violent criminals. Labour territory.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:08am
  - fernglas
    
    Justice Smellie was anything but a radical, and far from soft on violent criminals. But don’t let the facts stand in the way of your prejudices.
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Then is dementia a factor?
      
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      May 29, 2017 11:42am
      - fernglas
        
        That tends to be a factor in supporting the right rather than the left.
        
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        May 29, 2017 2:49pm
Reid

This will be interesting: Kushner’s role may be revisited.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-27/kushner-role-white-house-suddenly-unclear-may-return-private-life

Everyone knows Kushner is Israel’s eyes and ears in the WH. Of course they have others but he’s critical to their evil plans. For instance, there’s a report from an FBI insider that is surveilling them that it was one of his handlers who suggested that he show Ivanka extremely traumatic photos of dead children. Whether or not they were from their false flag attack in Syria the other month or somewhere else, who knows, but we know what effect it had.

I’ll be giving you some dots on what’s been going on over the next weeks, some of the appointments Trump’s been making in the legal area are extremely interesting and show his mission to drain the swamp is still alive.

Interesting times.
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May 29, 2017 8:39am
- Paulus
  
  Yes, the Washington Post article in the Herald this morning knows it all.
  They still, along with the New York Times, are trying to run the USA – and mugs like the New Zealand media are lapping it up.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:10am
Longknives

This is just magnificent-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11865378

“I don’t consider myself female or male”
“I believe Gender is a Social Construct”..

Wow- Oh and ‘they’ brag about praying in Mosques at the start..(Can’t for the life of me figure out how that is relevant other than some dubious attempt to maybe prove how ‘tolerant’ Muslims are?)

Well done New Zealand Herald- You are really hitting the important issues here..
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May 29, 2017 9:07am
- Callum
  
  That is pretty easy to do when you are a male though. Sounds like ‘they’ look and act male but just doesn’t want to be called male.
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:20am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  “Waaahhhhh! The whole world sees me as a man (which I am) and refers to me as a man (which I am) and I can’t take it any more!”
  
  A first-world attention-seeking loony who desperately wants to get on board the victim train. What a cuck.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s hard to imagine anything more insensitive than forcing people to use ‘they’ as a singular pronoun.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:44pm
- KevOB
  
  Who owns these people that we have to tolerate their drivel or activism disguised as journalism.
  It time we revolted. Journos don’t own us; they derive their limited rights through our tolerance. Journalists as anarchists?
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:52pm
Manolo

The (crooked) elephant in the room:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/rahm-emanuel-uncomfortable-questions-clinton-potentially-president-again/
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May 29, 2017 9:07am
Happychappy

If Winston Peters does as well in the polls as he and his loyalists say and he does get to be Prime Minister like he seems to think he is entitled to be why would the world want to invest in our Country with him at the helm given his track record against Asian people and in particular the Chinese.
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May 29, 2017 9:15am
- BarryB
  
  Peters did an excellent job as Foreign Minister in the Bolger/Shipley government. in fact he is rated by those who know the area as the best minister in recent times.
  His anti asian rhetoric is election bluster AND its a subject that the other parties cant attack him on. If they do they either have to say they love the chinese (not a popular emotion to say out loud) or they have to agree with him (which isnt a politically smart idea either) – and both are loss-loss for the other parties.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:37am
  - Kimbo
    
    Peters did an excellent job as Foreign Minister in the ~~Bolger/Shipley~~ Clark government
    
    Peters was Treasurer under Bolger and Shipley. Don MacKinnon was the Foreign Affairs Minister in those administrations, and Bill Birch was Minister of Finance from 1993 onward (other than a brief step-in by Bill English when Peters was ditched in 1998). So Peters was given a made-up bauble/made a fifth wheel.
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:43am
    - BarryB
      
      I stand corrected…………….
      
      But it doesnt change the fact that he did an excellent job.
      
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      May 29, 2017 12:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not sure what your criteria for ‘an excellent job” are. He didn’t drop the ball. I stand to be corrected, but I don’t seem to recall any great laurels and/or bold initiatives achieved on his watch like, say, Murray McCully with UNSC2334, or Norman Kirk with his opposition to apartheid when he cancelled the 1972 Springbok tour, the frigate to Mururoa and setting the paradigm for our Foreign Affairs some 40 years alter, Lange (albeit with blunders) with nuclear-free, or even MacKinnon and Goff as good safe pairs of hands over a longer more troubled period (e.g., Gulf wars, 9/11, East Timor) than Peters’ 3 years.
        
        Indeed, the primary foreign affairs triumphs of the Clark era – reaching a “good friends” relationship with the USA, and the FTA with China – were without Peters, or (in the case of the FTA, albeit also a trade matter with Tim Groser, but the Minister of Foreign Affairs plays a part in trade deals)
        
        … in spite of him!
        
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        May 29, 2017 12:08pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        He did an excellent job for Helen Clark Barry, because he was always out of the country, and she didn’t have to deal with him. On that basis alone, it was an inspired appointment 😀
        
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        May 29, 2017 3:07pm
      - srylands
        
        Can you please give some substantive examples of his achievements in the course of this “excellent job”?
        
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        May 29, 2017 3:46pm
Manolo

Is Mamma Merkel getting nervous?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/28/merkel-urges-eu-to-control-their-own-destiny-after-trump-visit-climate-change-decision.html

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday that “the past few days” have shown her that European Union nations must maintain friendships with the United States and Great Britain, but also put “our destiny into their own hands.”
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May 29, 2017 9:34am
- Inandout
  
  Wherever Trump has visited his hosts’ views are changing. Tough talking does actually bring results, because it is so rare these days amongst politicians.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:13am
  - MCos
    
    I somehow doubt that the Saudi view of the world has changed subsequent to Trump’s visit, nor the Pope’s.
    As for the EU. It probably depends on your preconceived view of the impact Trump was likely to engender.
    Those who despise him would have had their impressions confirmed, as would those who looked forward to him throwing his weight around.
    
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    May 29, 2017 3:05pm
UpandComer

Meanwhile in DNC pedotopia, Jacob Schwartz, Bill de Blasio da mayors staffer, and friends with Clinton chief staffer Robby Mook found with thousands of images of child porn. Including infants. Under 6 months old. Jacobs father Arhur is a Clinton New York delegate. Little Jacob got out for 7500 bail. Arthur said he’s a good boy who dindu nuffin. These are your western nation social Democrat elites. Raising your civilization on orgy porgy and soma. The US is already fallen. Why are so many of these people so depraved. And this istio of the DNC Pizza loving iceberg. Along with McCain and his staffer arrested for even worse.
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May 29, 2017 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Upandcomer, source please ?
  
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  May 29, 2017 9:43am
  - UpandComer
    
    New York Post. Link below. ((He was a good boy goy))
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:00am
zonic

Selling public reserves and kids playing fields to solve the housing crisis. god what next?
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/05/28/30765/no-easy-answer-in-pt-england-land-tussle
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May 29, 2017 9:53am
UpandComer

https://www.google.com.au/amp/nypost.com/2017/05/26/de-blasio-staffer-arrested-for-child-pornography/amp/

Lol president of the manhatten young Democrats. Physiogonomy is real.
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May 29, 2017 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  Getting closer to the Clinton porno camp it seems.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , stop chasing ghosts !
    
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    May 29, 2017 10:28am
    - Inandout
      
      From a man who speaks to Allah, that is rich.
      
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      May 29, 2017 11:44am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      stephieboy, stop chasing goats!
      
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      May 29, 2017 12:34pm
- stephieboy
  
  Upandcomer ,
  
  Seems it is also real in the GOP,
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/2013/04/florida-republican-committeeman-arrested-for-child-porn/
  
  LOL
  
  BTW, you don’t take Pizzagate seriously . Surely ?
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:27am
  - UpandComer
    
    I already said that – see above re McCain.
    
    All the Republicans closest to the Democrats are in it. The Bushes certainly were. Call boys to the Whitehouse.
    
    The Alt Right is right. These people only deserve to be put to the sword.
    
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    May 29, 2017 1:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      UoandComer , is that official President Trump policy ?
      
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      May 29, 2017 3:00pm
RF

Having a good laugh on a Monday morning is good for the soul.

I had a look at the standard who is in full retard mode concerning the Greens supporting last weeks budget. Some green bird brain calling itself Weka is all over the place trying to carry out damage control.

That crowd could not organise a piss up in a brewery.

Joy joy joy.. happy happy happy.
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May 29, 2017 10:20am
Odakyu-sen

I just got me Broadband fiber connection, but it is no faster downloading than my previous UltraBroadband copper wire (20 Mbps downloading and 20 Mbps uploading). Upload speed is better.
Yes, I know the issue lies with the service provider (Spark) and not the fiber hardware per se.
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May 29, 2017 11:48am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The sooner you get rid of Spark, the better your internet will be.
  
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  May 29, 2017 12:03pm
- 4077th
  
  Are you using the 5GHz wifi connection to your Spark router? 2.4 will severely limit your connection speed but improve distance.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:50pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I will check that.
    
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    May 29, 2017 5:10pm
  - Inandout
    
    I am getting 85 Mpbs download, so does that mean the router has a 5GHz connection?
    
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    May 29, 2017 6:15pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Inandout,
      Now I have download envy… (sobs into coffee)…
      
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      May 29, 2017 8:20pm
Jack5

Spy chief Cheryl Gwyn is in the news today, in effect warning against NZ being drawn into anything illegal through Five Eyes and Trumpist America.

A Google check on Gwyn’s background brought her name up on a weird Leftist web site, World Socialist Web site. She is named in snide attacks on organisations from other shades of Marxism.

The web site seems annoyed because Gwyn was a member of the Trotskyist Socialist Action League (SAL) in the 1970s and 1980s, and seems to imply that she may have been a mole there. (Hooray is she was!)

It adds:

Today, the former SAL leaders are part of an affluent middle class milieu that is deeply hostile to the working class and has injected itself into the operations of the trade union bureaucracy, bourgeois politics and the state. They apparently see nothing of concern in Gwyn joining the upper echelons of the spy apparatus.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/15/gwyn-a15.html
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May 29, 2017 11:59am
- SPC
  
  And the Kremlin foot soldier and Stalinist who ran the Socialist Unity Party with Bill Anderson, Ken Douglas, later boss of the unions during their subjugation under the ECA regime, went on local government and board of directors roles.
  
  The SAL newsletters at least championed the PAC, and thus are not complicit in the errors of the ANC (Stalinists) regime.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:13pm
backster

Peters did an excellent job as Foreign Minister in the Bolger/Shipley Clark government”
………Actually he was a spendthrift playboy in the Clark regime who was allowed to build up a bureaucracy which Key tried to rectify by putting in an outside CEO, however his good intentions were sabotaged by Mohammed Murray caving in to Union pressure. ..Goff did the hard yards in the Foreign Affairs area.
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May 29, 2017 12:20pm
- tusker
  
  Senior MFAT staff at the time Peters was FM, have a low opinion of his ability. Shipley in her recent interview was interesting about the Peters ‘once over lightly or not at all’ approach to briefing papers. By contrast MFAT people confirm your view of Goff as FM. He is highly regarded.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:05pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I seem to recall they also thought lowly of McCully. At least in his personal dealings with MFAT staff. Muldoon, even though he wasn’t Minister of Foreign Affairs, nonetheless used to interact with Foreign Ministry staff as PM (e.g., the 1977 Gleneagles Agreement and the fuss over the 1981 Springbok tour at the subsequent Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting on Malcolm Fraser’s watch),
    
    …and as with Treasury, used to be annoyed if they forgot they were there to assist him, not make policy.
    
    Not sure if “being approved” by the Sir Humphrey Applebys is a good recommendation as such, but I take the point I think you are making that they are better placed than anyone else to discern competence or a lack of it in a Minister.
    
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    May 29, 2017 1:09pm
Manolo

Bad acting only possible in election year. Things will return to normal on September 24.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-rejects-dunnes-way-forward-for-weed/ar-BBBBE1Y?li=BBqdmGR&ocid=mailsignout

Peter Dunne’s war on the failing war on drugs itself appears to be failing, with the Prime Minister refusing to even consider the United Future leader’s proposals.
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May 29, 2017 12:47pm
- Viking2
  
  Well bill has to have some sort of war. Crime is out for the moment so drugs stay. Fucking morons should look at the evidence from other places and try to stop big noting themselves.
  Kiwi’s consider things need to change but once addicted to a policy the Nats. are just as bad as addicts.
  
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  May 29, 2017 1:31pm
SPC

Maths in schools.

The education ministry is to spend an initial $15M (will rise) to determine the accuracy of holiday payments to staff as per 2003 legislation (not unique to education).

Might I suggest that teachers withdraw any claim to past underpayments provided the said money goes into a fund and a nominal donation in lieu of unpaid money to increase pay to teacher aides.

Teacher aides earn c$16-17 an hour, and schools struggling to pay their wages reduce their hours to the detriment of teaching/teachers.
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May 29, 2017 1:01pm
GoVege

Poor Schapelle Corby, now she is being compared to ….David Bain.
(NZ Herald)
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May 29, 2017 1:19pm
Michael

Re homosexuals.
I went to what was essentially a boarding secondary school in the late 40’s/ early 50’s. There were some locals that also went there, they were called day boys, of which I was one.
I remember arriving at school one morning to find that one of the boarders had been sent home earlier that morning after being caught in bed with another boy sometime during the previous night. I don’t recall the other boy being expelled.
Circa 1950.
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May 29, 2017 1:19pm
- OTGO
  
  So you were a “lure” then Michael? And the boarders would have been “rats”?
  
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  May 29, 2017 2:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We, of course, had no homosexuals in W(h)anganui
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/controversial-ex-mayor-killed-berlin-riots
  
  So I had to wait until I was big girl and had escaped to the cultural hub of Palmerston North before I encountered homosexual literature, and then some years later, before I encountered homosexuals in the flesh (so to speak).
  
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  May 29, 2017 3:30pm
- Longknives
  
  Circa 1950???
  Kudos to you Michael!
  
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  May 29, 2017 4:21pm
Peter

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331821/fossil-fuel-protesters-occupy-auckland-university-building

Uh-huh.

Look, my young and easily-led friends, the oil industry are not the users of oil – you are. If you want to stop oil exploration and extraction, then stop using oil.

Bet you don’t.
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May 29, 2017 1:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article:
  
  Fourteen students started a sit-in at 8am today to demand the Vice-Chancellor publicly support their call for divestment. Campus security locked the students in the reception area to prevent ~~other students joining them~~ the protestors from getting out.
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  May 29, 2017 3:00pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Bet they all drive cars, sit on foam filled furniture, stay warm in lectures from gas fired boilers, etc, etc.
  Nit wits.
  
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  May 29, 2017 3:30pm
publicwatchdog

The Pt England Reserve Enabling Bill is, in my opinion, another public property LAND GRAB for private property developers, facilitated by Minister for Building and Construction – Nick Smith.

In my view – ALL political parties should vote against this Bill, because, in my opinion, they have been misled.

The Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ / ‘Redevelopment’ is a GENTRIFICATION agenda – destroying existing working class communities and former State houses for profiteering private property developers and private mansions for the wealthy.

If you spent two weeks driving around Glen Iness, Pt England and Panmure – your would see for yourself.

Out of the 2,704 former Housing NZ properties now owned by Tamaki REGENERATION Ltd (NOT the Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd, as MPs, Auckland Councillors, the public and directly-affected State tenants were told) – there are now 76 BARE sections, where former State houses have been removed, and apparently 70 empty former State houses.

I know – because I have checked these 2,704 addresses for myself.

What a $CAM!

With all these EMPTY former State sections and houses on his watch, as one of two Crown shareholding Ministers in both Tamaki Regeneration Ltd and the Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd – why on earth does Minister Nick Smith want MORE public land?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate for Tamaki.

(Exposing the Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM!)
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May 29, 2017 3:00pm
- Nostradamus
  
  … in my opinion … In my view … in my opinion … I know …
  
  Duly noted and filed under “worthless opinion”.
  
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  May 29, 2017 3:02pm
  - fernglas
    
    But isn’t it great to see her back?????
    
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    May 29, 2017 3:33pm
- nasska
  
  …..”I know – because I have checked these 2,704 addresses for myself.”…..
  
  You couldn’t know whether the houses were occupied or empty. The minute any tenants saw a mad woman wearing a dead cat on her head & smelling like someone who receives their water at a litre a minute they would have sought shelter elsewhere. 🙂
  
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  May 29, 2017 3:43pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    … 2,704 addresses…
    
    Now just imagine how delighted Penny would be if she could get 2,704 votes!
    
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    May 29, 2017 4:03pm
- SPC
  
  Well the policy is to sell is to sell off older poor quality state housing units that have section land for private property development, or where stock is sustainable sell it off as first homes to tenants or others.
  
  This to finance multiple unit new public housing builds (make a public contribution to new housing).
  
  You are out of step with the more general concern re Point English development which is public reserve land being used for housing.
  
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  May 29, 2017 4:00pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    PB is out of step with most things…
    
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    May 29, 2017 4:17pm
Manolo

Criminal loony tunes:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/28/rahm-emanuel-dreamers-part-chicago-family-illegal-immigrants-welcome/

Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said immigrants who come here illegally and their children were “part of the Chicago family.”
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May 29, 2017 3:07pm
- SPC
  
  A new crime Boss in Chicago declares his regime, and whom it places under protection.
  
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  May 29, 2017 4:04pm
Manolo

Even our resident multiculturalist and pious Muslim will enjoy this ad:
http://www.lastampa.it/2017/05/28/multimedia/societa/lo-spot-della-compagnia-telefonica-araba-che-non-lascia-indifferenti-zkAdmftY1MPg56QM3AfIBM/pagina.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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May 29, 2017 4:04pm
Longknives

Fuck.Me.Sideways.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/mcdonalds-under-fire-for-offering-girls-toys-and-boys-toys-with-happy-meals/

I despair- I really do…
If Imogen Louise is so ‘offended ‘ by her Daughter being offered a Girls Toy why didn’t she simply ask for a Boy’s one??
*Like the spotty kid working the Drive Thru gives a shit anyway…
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May 29, 2017 4:33pm
- holysheet
  
  FFS all Mcdonalds have to do is stop giving away free stuff.
  
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  May 29, 2017 4:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holyurd t , when did you last visit Mt Roskill ? Have you ever lived there ?
    
    What did you base you claims about the suburb ? Anecdotal hyperbolic and paranoid accounts by Stars and Stripes ?
    
    What and who else from county drivel ?
    
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    May 29, 2017 4:49pm
    - Longknives
      
      “When did you last visit Mt Roskill ?”
      
      Why the heck would any sane person want to visit Mt Roskill/Little Mogadishu??
      
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      May 29, 2017 5:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Longknives, go and vist a Shrink !
        
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        May 29, 2017 6:16pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      How did you get from “FFS all Mcdonalds have to do is stop giving away free stuff” to “when did you last visit Mt Roskill ?”
      
      Holysheet’s comment was about McDonald’s. Your response was about Mt Roskill, which on the face of it has nothing to do with McDonald’s.
      
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      May 29, 2017 5:27pm
      - nasska
        
        Oh dear! He’s completely lost the plot & we may be to blame for pushing him over the edge.
        
        Never mind…..shit happens! 🙂
        
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        May 29, 2017 5:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Yesterday on KB he made some dumb and stupid claims about the suburb becoming of an ignorant rabid alt righter .
        
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        May 29, 2017 6:18pm
- nasska
  
  At one point I had sympathy for McDonalds having to front up to mad mothers with strange attitudes until I read this:
  
  …..”We’re also working with our toy suppliers to look at options going forward.””…..
  
  Anyone who employs a retard who uses gobbledegook newspeak such as “going forward” should be fried alive in their own chip vat!
  
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  May 29, 2017 4:47pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …and no doubt there will be “learnings”.
    
    No. There. F&%$#@g. Wont!
    
    The word is “lessons”
    
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    May 29, 2017 4:49pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      No its not its learnerise.
      As in ya got to learnerise the fallas…eh
      Stop trying to assert your really really obsolete and totally old fashioned English English Kimbo.
      We speak new pacifica.
      Realies we do
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      {sarc} for the challenged.
      
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      May 29, 2017 5:03pm
      - itstricky
        
        Which would be hilarious if it was anything to do with “Pacifica”. But it isn’t. The most recent spawning of “learnings” was as buzz word business talk, like synergy, going forward, and so on.
        
        If you could do another parody of business men splurting these, and include “learnings”, I’ll give you a well earned LOL tick.
        
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        May 29, 2017 5:11pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        That is counter to the paradigm I habitate itstricky.
        I learnerised Pacifica from a representative of South Auckland styles underachieverness in deepest darkest afrakura.
        
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        May 29, 2017 5:54pm
- itstricky
  
  I despair- I really do…
  If Imogen Louise is so ‘offended ‘
  
  Remember, it was not two days ago that you ranted about a Herald opinion and called for a boycott…
  
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  May 29, 2017 5:04pm
  - Longknives
    
    Did I really ‘Call for a Boycott’ Tricky?
    Irony is pretty much lost on people like you isn’t it?
    
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    May 29, 2017 5:11pm
    - itstricky
      
      C’mon, be honest with yourself. You had a big rant about something you didn’t agree with and you’re now tutt tutting at someone else who did the same.
      
      Who’s “people like me”?
      
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      May 29, 2017 5:15pm
      - Sponge
        
        Who’s “people like me”?
        
        Fuckwits?
        
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        May 29, 2017 10:18pm
- Fletch
  
  Most of the time little girls like little girl stuff and little boys like little boy stuff. Nothing to do with societal pressure or the Patriarchy or anything like that. It’s just part of the genes.
  
  A recent study at the City, University of London showed that children have a preference for toys based on their gender before they even know what gender is. The researchers said, “such preferences appear prior to extensive socialization and do not depend on gender category knowledge but are reflections of our biological heritage.”
  
  https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/06/03/infants-show-a-preference-for-toys-that-match-their-gender-before-they-know-what-gender-is/
  
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  May 29, 2017 7:11pm
RF

Cry me a river.

The Christchurch Central Labour candidate is having a sook about the Greens also standing a candidate. The Labour person Duncan Webb believes that he should have been given a clear run for the seat.

Diddums.
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May 29, 2017 4:46pm
Happychappy

I see Winston Peter’s has thrown his toys out of the cot over the AG inquiry and wants David Carter the Speaker sacked. This could get very interesting as the Speaker has had Peter’s number in Parliament and I am sure won’t give Peter’s a inch so the battle will become very interesting.
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May 29, 2017 4:52pm
- stigie
  
  Peter’s can say “with all due respect”, but that has never been extended to the current speaker David Carter who seems to take unnecessary shit from the drunken dwarf !~
  
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  May 29, 2017 5:45pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2015, the Chills and Warm Waveform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kRjFjLlTuo
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May 29, 2017 5:45pm
- Gruffydd
  
  What type of sad slipper wearing old godga is it that down ticks the chills?
  I can understand the poor sods like longknives who suffer from tall poppy syndrome having to obsessively down tick any hint of a kiwi accomplishing anything .
  Three down ticks.
  Bloody minus has breed .
  Bet its on the dpb as well.
  
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  May 29, 2017 6:19pm
  - Longknives
    
    I love The Chills Gruff!
    If you’d been round here longer than 8 Comments you would know I went to Otago Uni in the early-mid 90s…
    
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    May 29, 2017 6:25pm
Brigitte

I’m not sure if they’re a creep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p4KMk0rlB8) or just a wet blanket (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvRTcTLvAM)
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May 29, 2017 6:30pm
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3c5rumiVBE
  
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  May 29, 2017 6:33pm
  - Brigitte
    
    I understand that Martin Phillipps was not happy when Push Push covered this. In this case it would be correct spelling in saying he was thinking of ‘wrecking Havoc’!
    
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    May 29, 2017 6:43pm
nasska

An official with India’s oldest & largest Hindu nationalist movement said that a new soft drink made from cows’ urine could hit store shelves by the end of the year.

The drink is currently available in New Zealand under the name of Lion Red.
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May 29, 2017 7:53pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The drink is currently available in New Zealand under the name of ~~Lion Red~~ Waikato Draught. That was the first beer I ever tried – and sheesh! – it nearly put me off beer for life! (Until I sampled a real beer that is…)
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:11pm
  - nasska
    
    There was worse Nostra. I worked as a truck driver, mostly carting stock, for about 18 years. One of my regular away trips involved staying at the Stortford Lodge near Hastings saleyards.
    
    After a night on Leopard a man was lucky to be sufficiently continent to drive home the next day. 🙂
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:17pm
    - Sponge
      
      Jesus, leopard larger is up there in the horror stakes of my youth along with Rheineck.
      
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      May 29, 2017 10:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  might help your acne
  http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/746379/cow-urine-health-benefits-skin-conditions-fight-disease
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:15pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    In 2013 David Garrett informed us about Green beauty spa treatments:
    
    But by God, there were some odd smelly characters in the lifts going to their floor….Delahunty apparently washes her hair in her own urine…a beauty treatement I am told…its working well…
    
    David returned to the subject again:
    
    Jack5: You think that stuff is weird…You should hear Catherine Delahunty singing, and speaking pidgin Maori in the House…but don’t get too close to her…She extolls the virtues of bathing one’s hair in your own urine….and you can tell if you are with her in a lift…
    
    So, if you dream about Catherine Delahunty being New Zealand’s next top model, then try it!
    
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    May 29, 2017 8:21pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’ll stick to the asses’ milk, thanks.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:54pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That sounds like the name of a well-respected beverage in Japan known as “Calpis”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2ToCKz0GjE
  
  It just makes you want to “pee, pee, pee, pee, pee” (see the video if you don’t believe me.)
  
  Foreigners in Japan (especially those rude Americans) always joke about Calpis and call it “Cow p_ss.”
  
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  May 29, 2017 8:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Just the name Pocari Sweat was enough to convince me never to imbibe.
    
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    May 29, 2017 9:46pm
Odakyu-sen

Islam in places like Sweden is really in a very weak position. It does not influence labor (since so few of the immigrants work) nor capital (since they do not control the means of production and distribution).
Like a violent, angry teen without a job or the skill to drive a vehicle, young Mohammed rages in Ma Sweden’s basement, scaring the old lady half to death with his threats and demands.
In fact, all Ma Sweden has to do is take her car and drive over to see her friend for a few weeks. What will Mohammed do then but either starve or leave?
As I wrote yesterday, the beginning of the end will come one Monday morning when the People decide to stay home from work en masse. The State will roll over in an instant.
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May 29, 2017 7:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wouldn’t put much faith in Company Personality tests if Joanne Harrison got the OK on them.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93041896/warning-after-fraudster-joanne-harrisons-doctored-cv-and-mystery-flights-revealed
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May 29, 2017 10:03pm
Left Right and Centre

MAY NZ MUSIC MONTH
Here’s a classic from 1999 . . .
Truebliss – Tonight
Ah – makes ya so proud to be a kiwi.
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May 29, 2017 10:07pm
- Kimbo
  
  Hmm. Along with “who make up the ‘Famous Five’?”, and “what are the five toys from Playschool?”, one of Kimbo’s audition questions for his pub quiz team is, “name the five members of True Bliss”.
  
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  May 29, 2017 10:22pm
Inandout

Ah, the Famous Five. Five Go Mad in Dorset, Five Go Mad on Mescalin.
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May 29, 2017 11:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/five-go-gluten-free-enid-blyton-s-famous-five-get-a-parody-reboot-1.2663131
  
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