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William of Ockham

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

In field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias, wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority when they mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the meta-cognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude. Without such self-awareness they cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.[1]
As described by David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, “the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.”[1]

Other investigations of cognitive dissonance, such as Why People Fail to Recognize Their Own Incompetence (2003), indicate that much incorrect self-assessment of competence derived from the person’s ignorance of the standards of performance of a given activity. The pattern of overestimation of competence appeared in studies of reading comprehension, of the practice of medicine, of motor-vehicle operation, and the playing of games such as chess and tennis;[2] moreover, in Revisiting Why Incompetents Think They’re Awesome (2012), Dunning and Kruger’s research indicates that incompetent people will:

Fail to recognize their own lack of skill

Fail to recognize the extent of their inadequacy

Fail to accurately gauge skill in others, and

Recognize and acknowledge their lack of skill only after being exposed to formal training in that skill.[6]

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Coming soon: Psychological Backlash

… qualifies as the greatest science communication failure in history: The more facts, the less concern. Over the last twenty years, the messengers have encountered not only vicious counterattacks but also what seem to be impenetrable walls of psychological backlash or indifference.
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May 28, 2017 8:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  And the day had started off so well too… ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Read the original paper
  http://psych.colorado.edu/~vanboven/teaching/p7536_heurbias/p7536_readings/kruger_dunning.pdf
  
  Probably applies to psychobabble students at an ivy league university.
  
  Not relevant for those of us who aren’t going to rob 2 banks with lemon juice on our face.
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:17am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Science deals in probability maggy lovey .
    Proof is for math and alcohol.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Proof
    Any one with a science education should know this
    Yet we have a bunch of gibbering loons who are asking for proof of a future event in science.
    You can not prove 100% the sun will rise tomorrow.
    You can just point out that the probability of it not rising is extremely small .
    Such a basic failure to understand what science tells us takes a huge amount of DK.
    Looking at you sweety.
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Clearly WoO has some comms problems, in particular:
  – failing to recognise his lack of skill in commenting
  – failing to recognise his inadequacy in getting his point across
  – failing to accurately gauging the interest (or lack of) KB readers in his diatribes (which in comms terms is a fatal flaw)
  and
  – it is clear that he hasn’t had any formal comms training as WoO keeps on spurting out stuff that is down-ticked mercilessly because of his utter failure to hit the mark with his comms (even Stephie and MM get their point across more effectively – contrary as it is to the readerships’ prevailing views)
  
  All in all – a walking, talking, commenting text book example of cognitive dissonance.
  
  Thank you WoO for modelling the condition so exquisitely (if unconciously) well!
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:37am
  - Linda Reid
    
    This post by Scott Adams is all about cognitive dissonance.
    How to Know You Won a Political Debate on the Internet
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/160696999931/how-to-know-you-won-a-political-debate-on-the
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:15am
- Dany
  
  You didn’t have to disclose your medical records, we get it
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:37am
  - Kea
    
    LOL 🙂
    
    Dany, That has to be the best funny of the day !
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:34am
- G152
  
  How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb ?
  
  Only one but the light bulb has to want to change
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:43am
- Kea
  
  Willy is talking about these “scientists” [snigger] 🙂
  
  This is probably the greatest Academic troll of all time
  
  “The penis is a social construct that causes climate change”. That statement sounds ridiculous, right? Well two men managed to get it published in a respectable peer reviewed academic journal.
  
  Naming their hoax paper “The conceptual penis as a social construct”, the two men set out to sound as ridiculous as possible and still make sense to Social scientists. At one point in time, they even used a random word generator to generate arguments for their paper…. the peer reviewers still found no faults with the contents of the paper. Writing an exposé explaining why and how they managed to get the paper published in a “high quality journal”, the two men said everything they wrote in the paper was “utter nonsense” and should have never been published. They intentionally stocked the paper with jargons like “hyper-masculinity”, “post-structuralist discursive gender theory” and “pre-post-patriarchal society” – words that even they do not understand, in order to give it more credibility.
  They used this prank/satirical website as references for their paper, and the peer reviewers still didn’t realize that they were being trolled. In short, the paper backed up its claims with references to fake papers that no not exist. The peer reviewed journal, Cogent Social Sciences, went ahead to publish it. The peer reviewers gave the hoax paper very high marks, praising it as “sound” and “outstanding”.
  
  http://ageofshitlords.com/probably-greatest-academic-troll-time
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:31am
  - SGA
    
    Sorry, Kea, but there’s a bit of a “hoax” in that story itself. It wasn’t a “respectable peer reviewed academic journal”. After failing to get that paper published elsewhere, the authors used a “pay-to-publish” journal with token peer review system. The journal, “Cogent Social Sciences” (from memory), has only been going 2-3 years and doesn’t even have an Impact Factor (a rough guide to academic influence).
    Another “Sokal” affair, it ain’t.
    (we went over all this on Kiwiblog a few days ago, btw).
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:54am
    - Kea
      
      And here you are nit picking to create a red herring. Any comment on the actual point ?
      
      http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:15am
      - SGA
        
        I think my point’s reasonably clear. The Sokal affair was much more impressive. From what I read when krazykiwi first posted about this “hoax”, it’s not the only of its type. The others have concentrated on exposing the “racket” that is “pay-to-publish” journals of little standing. Years ago I was getting e-mails offering to publish my poetry in things like “An Anthology of the World’s Best Poets” for a price (I don’t even write poetry) – some of these pay-to-publish journals seem to be somewhat similar.
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:32am
- GazzaW
  
  You need to get out more William.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:38am
mikenmild

Happy Menstrual Hygiene Day, everyone!
http://menstrualhygieneday.org/
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May 28, 2017 8:00am
- holysheet
  
  When are you going to celebrate this special day just for you?
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/d7/6b/0fd76bf0eebb70e71c52564f702332cb.jpg
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:23am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Is that why the weather is bloody awful, here.
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:12am
Odakyu-sen

How many more of these weird “days” are there?
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May 28, 2017 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  All of them apparently.
  
  All together again this morning team, a double header . . . .
  
  Nutbars of the world unite!
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:11am
  - RalphT
    
    Well, I’ve done my it. Just need another 25 KBers to chip in for the cause.
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:19am
  - holysheet
    
    Not yet. Just waiting for stupidboy to return from his headbanging session and THEN we will have the trifecta of idiots.
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd , yet another of your rich irony alerts .
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:45am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Do you even know what irony is you moron?
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:53am
      - mara
        
        Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons and electrons. They forgot to mention morons.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:12pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’m not sure, but in the time when he is supposed to be working on the taxpayer dime, you can be assured mikenmild will find them.
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:16am
  - mikenmild
    
    What sort of work do you expect me to be doing on a Sunday morning?
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      making mum a cuppa and a nice brekkie.
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:16am
    - GazzaW
      
      Doing your homework?
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:40am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        All the stuff you should have completed Monday to Friday
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:48am
cmm

Happy no-stephie day!
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May 28, 2017 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There are a couple of interesting sentences in that Dunning-Kruger “Unskilled and unaware of it” paper referenced by William of Ockham…
  
  “The skills that enable one to construct a grammatical sentence are the same skills necessary to recognize a grammatical sentence and thus are the same skills necessary to determine if a grammatical mistake has been made.”
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:27am
  - holysheet
    
    Wow Maggy, my head is spinning after that. I cannot imagine what the affect of reading that has had on stupidboy!
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      (effect not affect.)
      
      I agree holysheet……. my head often spins when I read those psychobabble papers.
      
      But fear not, I am having lots of literacy practice with my lovely boys and I can nearly translate stephieboyisms.
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:59am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Makes a change from completing the cryptic crossword Maggy. ?
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:07am
      - holysheet
        
        Yes Maggy that’s the result of my spinning head. It confuses my spelling senses.
        
        Just to be on the safe side however……..
        *holysheet-school-of-wilful-and-capricious-spelling
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:09am
DifferentPerspective

Ben Ainslie continues trialling “Final Solution” racing – smashes Japan’s boat

Ben Ainslie once again proves that yachting can be successfully turned into a contact sport as he smashes into Kiwi Dean Barker’s Japan boat – honestly how those sailors weren’t crushed was a total miracle.

Maybe Ben is on to something – it certainly would be a “Final Solution” if they can damage every other boat so much that they’re the only one left racing.
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May 28, 2017 8:45am
EAD

It is interesting seeing the hypersensitivity over Katie Hopkins tweet about requiring a final solution to Europe’s deadly, escalating and seemingly never ending suffering at the hands of Islamic terrorism.

Am I the only one who finds it extraordinary that one can’t commit a word crime about an alleged event ( I say alleged as “denying” this one historical event can land you in prison in 20 countries – see link) 85 years ago yet the real final solution of European people that will see them as despised minorities in their ancient homelands through mass scale immigration of low IQ, hostile, fast breeding 3rd worlders can’t be criticised without being labelled “racism”.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ed25cac500bb6bcd7130bc2ff8479d691eaf0a062eb750bcb3fa4c16617c5f4.jpg

This hypersensitivity owing to the not to be discussed “Holocaust” means when people present evidence like the below on Jewish involvement in Islamic immigration to Goyim countries gets the truth teller labelled a ……….drumroll please……….”NAZI”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html

Islamization of Europe a good thing’: Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/21/rabbis-david-cameron-refugees-kindertransport

Rabbis urge David Cameron to speed up refugee scheme

Barbara Lerner Spectre on Jewish TV:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/09/16/kevin-macdonald-jews-play-a-leading-role-in-promoting-multiculturalism-in-europe/

I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role

Because of the hypersensitivity drummed into your minds since you were young, most will respond to this like one of Pavlovs dogs by downricking, labelling me a Nazi and ignoring what is right in front of you as you go back to a life of materialism, Political Correctness, Sports reality TV and watching the prolefeed news bought to you by the MSM.
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May 28, 2017 8:49am
- mikenmild
  
  Are you now denying you are a Nazi?
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:01am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Good to see that you aren’t denying that you are a Nazi MM!
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:07am
    - mikenmild
      
      Um, I’m certainly not the Nazi here…
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:11am
      - EAD
        
        Um, I’m certainly not the Nazi here…
        
        No you’re not MM, that is me.
        
        But then again, with the way the left seems to label everyone who opposes any element of globalism a “Nazi”, probably 90% of this blog could be labelled Nazis!!
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:14am
      - mikenmild
        
        So when you are called a Nazi, it really isn’t ‘labelling’, is it?
        Been to see Denial yet?
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:17am
      - EAD
        
        I’m curious MM, I’ve explained my beliefs several times on this blog yet you still continue with you inane method of debate.
        
        Do you pursue Communists with the same zeal? (you know those folk who without doubt, definitely killed hundreds of millions last century)?
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:26am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Um, yes you are.
        
        They say the truest sign of insanity is when you keep on telling yourself you are not insane.
        
        Everything you say reeks of national socialist practices/viewpoints:
        – strong advocacy and support for Islam
        – subjugation of the role of women in society (just look at how you piled in on strong women yesterday and on many previous occasions)
        – contempt for the outcomes of democratic processes when they don’t favour your views
        – support for the black-shirted fascist violent movement in the US
        – opposition to freedom of expression when the views expressed don’t align with your own
        – your support for the BDS movement has every hallmark of anti-semitism.
        
        ….. yet you are the one godwinning everyone?
        
        You can wrap yourself in denial and self-delusion – but your words speak for themselves.
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD, you have on numerous occasions described your self as National Socialist favourably disposed towards its founder Adolf Hitler
        
        FACT !
        
        mm, has never lablled or described himself as a Communist or a Marxist .
        
        FACT !
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:36am
      - Kea
        
        “– your support for the BDS movement has every hallmark of anti-semitism.”
        
        What repugnant human garbage. This sleazy creep is one of the biggest anti semites on KB.
        
        Semite
        ˈsiːmʌɪt,ˈsɛmʌɪt/Submit
        noun
        a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:59am
    - Kea
      
      DifferentPerspective, do you deny the fact you are Zionist who supports the murderous rogue state of Israel ?
      
      Last time I checked it was zionists invading other countries and murdering civilians. Not “nazis”
      
      Note this is also the view of the UN>
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:01am
  - Kea
    
    “Are you now denying you are a Nazi?”
    
    milky the socialist workers party existed for a few years back in Germany in the 30’s and 40’s. It ended in the mid 40’s
    
    It was set up in response to; German people starving, having their indigenous lands taken from them, to close the gap between rich and poor, and to allow the average worker some representation in the political process.
    
    Which one of those policy planks do you disapprove of ?
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      Kea “indigenous lands taken from them” ??
      
      Austria , Sudentland , Czechoslovakia , Alscae Lorraine , Danzig ( the later two disputed )
      
      Which Germans starving ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:02am
- Nukuleka
  
  That is why it was so disappointing reading the post a couple of days calling for Katie’s sacking. It seems to me that time and again left-wing commentators and journalists are getting away with figurative murder given the incendiary beat-up articles that they write, and at the same time there is a concerted effort on the part of this same clique to shut down any contrary opinion, or to jump on any slip of word or phrase that is used by a conservative commentator. This is what happened with Katie Hopkins.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:03am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    But ….. as we all know.
    
    It’s OK when the Left do it!
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:08am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  EAD – it is a very strange phenomenon going on in the ‘guilted’ Western world.
  
  We are literally watching turkeys voting for Thanksgiving!
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, can you give us examples of Jews leading role advocating multiculturalism here in NZ ?
  
  You have on a number of occasions on KB described yourself as a National Socialist with decidedly pro Hitler points of view .
  
  Your dislike of Jews colours the way you selectively quote out of context remarks by certain Jews on immigration issues . They merely reflect the tragic experience of Jews in the 1930s and WW2 . The Occidental Observer and such like also ignore the fact that a great many Jews supported Donald Trump and four of them are part of his inner circle. (Cabinet ).
  
  Explain that ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:14am
- BeeSting
  
  Really quite a big Fuss
  
  These are Facts.
  
  Final Solution was first used in regards to exterminating the German People Once and For all.
  
  https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_N._Kaufman
  
  In 1941, he wrote and published Germany Must Perish! which called for the sterilization of the German people and the distribution of the German lands.[5] The text was used extensively in Nazi propaganda, often as a justification for the persecution of Jews and was specifically cited as a reason to round up the Jews of Hanover, Germany.[6][7]
  
  Most of what has happened in Germany Post WW2 is in Germany Must Perish.
  
  This Manual is now being expanded to include
  all countries with Europeans in it.
  
  Being either white or Christian if you have not noticed makes you a “Natzi Now”
  
  Also if you do not swallow leftist islamo fascist
  bull sh i t or any of their other Bull Sh8t with out Question you are also a …..
  Natzi or worse a……
  
  W acist.
  
  This Site is Bull Sh8t last year they were
  Campaigning to Pull down our Flag.
  
  This Year they are campaigning to appease
  T e r r o r i s t s.
  and ensure we let more into New Zealand.
  
  R e w i Alley and
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
  
  Have so Much in Common
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewi_Alley
  
  It was after all and still is an International Clique
  
  That is responsible for more deaths and misery
  than the …….Natzis
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:25pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Beesting , the article and booklet by Theokaufamn is covered extrnsively here . It was published din the US with a modest circulation .
    
    It is monstrous to suggest that this posed a major security threat to Nazi Regime and even a rationale for implementing the final solution to the Jewish question ,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:54pm
    - BeeSting
      
      HEY BULL S H I T BOY
      
      Read the Book
      
      You can’t hide from THE TRUTH
      
      You should focus your energies
      
      ON WHY SOME FUCK WIT
      in Israel Threatened NZ with WAR
      this year?
      
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      May 28, 2017 8:38pm
Happychappy

Winston Peters said last week their internal polling had them at 19% and one of the Peter’s loyalists Paul Scott pledged on here last week they will get 19% at the election in September but the Roy Morgan poll has them down from 10.70% to 10% in the Latest poll.Has the huffing and puffing from Winston with the Trump like chest pumping starting to make the public realize that Peter’s is only number one when he is racial bashing the chinese.
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May 28, 2017 8:55am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Chuck will be along shortly to dare you to say that in front of Winston, in the meantime…
  
  Keep sliding Winnie!
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:22am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You should watch the panel on Q + A. They do not share your view of Winston. The panel was not mainly left is often on the Nation. One on the panel was Kerry McDonald. He agrees with Winston about immigration and GDP per capita as do the others on the panel.
    
    Kerry is a company director, chairman and advisor, with experience in a wide range of industries and other activities in New Zealand, Australia and elsewhere. He undertakes occasional projects and assignments, including enquiries and as an expert witness.
    
    Kerry initially worked as an economist in New Zealand, Australia and the UK, and was Director of the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research.
    
    He joined Comalco Limited in Melbourne in 1981 and was a CRA/RioTinto Managing Director from 1988 to 2003, working in a number of countries on operations, projects; and developing high performance in companies – which was a World leading CRA initiative, working with McKinseys.
    
    He has been a listed (ASX,NZX,TSX,etc) company director since 1991 and has been involved with many business, public sector and other activities and organizations in Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. New Zealand Executive of the Year, 1996
    
    http://kerrymcdonald.co.nz/
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:26am
    - Happychappy
      
      TV One Q&A only have people that agree with their opinion on their panel and 19% don’t make me laugh
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:39am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I did not say 19%. The poll was taken before the budget. English and Joyce were hoping to get a lift by the budget so they would not have to deal with Winston. I do not think it will work. I am sure many viewers of Q + A will agree with your assessment of the panel.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:06pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Winnie won’t do shit, he knows he is best shouting from the sidelines that has-been who never was at the footy.
        
        He won’t go into government but will ‘sit on the cross benches holding national to account’ which is code for only voting when he gets something out of it and bitching the rest of the time.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:36pm
Inandout

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/27/police-man-hurling-racial-slurs-kills-2-injures-1-train/351187001/

‘The stabbing occurred about 4:30 p.m. when the train was at the Hollywood Transit Center in northeast Portland.

Simpson said the women left the scene before police were able to talk with them but that they would like to hear from them to help fill in what happened.

“It’s horrific,” Simpson said. “There’s no other word to describe what happened today.”

Hillary Clinton called the attack “heartbreaking” in a tweet.’

Hillary heartbroken…yeah right. And why did the Muslim women piss off instead of giving their account of what happened. Not accompanied by a male perhaps?
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May 28, 2017 9:01am
- Nukuleka
  
  ‘the rants weren’t exclusively anti-Muslim’. Sounds like a deranged nutter who had a beef against all and everyone.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:06am
- mikenmild
  
  Why is it so significant that the women left? Do you think they provoked the white supremacist nutcase?
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:08am
  - Inandout
    
    He was a nutcase no doubt, but surely the main witnesses would have spoken to police. Perhaps the women weren’t supposed to be off the leash, and didn’t want heir husbands to find out.
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:11am
    - mikenmild
      
      Seriously, this is your main thing about this murder?
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:19am
- cha
  
  The piece of shit responsible.
  
  Man engaging in hate speech and giving the Nazi salute at the end of the #Portland free speech march pic.twitter.com/8QRmmvTDAf— Mike Bivins (@itsmikebivins) April 29, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/858400860325281792
  
  http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/05/27/19041594/suspect-in-portland-hate-crime-murders-is-a-known-white-supremacist
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:11am
  - Inandout
    
    He is doing the haka..WTF?
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:13am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Samoan possibly?
      He is wearing a License to hunt ISIS T.shirt.
      Seems popular with the Good Old Boys.
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:10am
  - Kea
    
    You want to see “hate speech” listen to the vile filth that gushes from the zionist movement.
    
    Reality check nutjob: There are no nazi. But there are zionist forces invading countries, conducting genocides, running ghettos ect.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Clearly a lone wolf, isn’t everyone?
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:21pm
- cha
  
  He killed Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche and Ricky John Best and seriously injured Micha David-Cole Fletcher, thoroughly good men doing the right thing.
  
  http://katu.com/news/local/mother-identifies-23-year-old-son-as-max-stabbing-victim
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:17am
  - Inandout
    
    “Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche, My dear baby boy passed on yesterday while protecting two young Muslim girls from a racist man on the train in Portland,” Asha Deliverance wrote on Facebook. “He was a hero and will remain a hero on the other side of the veil. Shining bright star I love you forever.”
    
    This episode strangely will push Manchester aside as a minor event. Call me cynicaI, but I can see weeks of anti Trump material here.
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:27am
  - cha
    
    One of the good guys.
    
    A photo of Ricky Best. He had three teen sons and a twelve-year-old daughter. He was a Republican, and ran for county office in 2014. pic.twitter.com/aZndYQ4GVj— Angus Johnston?‏ (@studentactivism) May 27, 2017
    
    https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/868606959062323200
    
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    May 28, 2017 5:28pm
EAD

After dozens of innocent young people are slaughtered yet again and Armies are being deployed on the street, Jewish multi-billionaire today finally announces the big issue of our time:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/27/zuckerbergfacebooknationalism/

Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg choked up while speaking about an illegal immigrant “DREAMer” during his Harvard commencement speech and declared that the fight against the forces of nationalism “is the struggle of our time.”

Strip away the rhetoric, what he really means is he doesn’t want white people living in a safe, homogeneous country like they’ve done for millennia.

I guess we can’t be like Israel where they don’t allow non-Jewish immigration due to wanting to protect their homeland and for the love of their people:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-africans-idUSBRE85A0VI20120611

Israel said on Monday it had started rounding up African migrants in the first stage of a controversial “emergency plan” to intern and deport thousands deemed a threat to the Jewish character of the state.

Israel Radio reported that dozens of Africans, mainly from South Sudan, had already been detained in the Red Sea resort of Eilat, including mothers and children.

“This is only a small group of the infiltrators,” Interior Minister Eli Yishai said. “I’m not acting out of hatred of strangers but love of my people and to rescue the homeland.”

Such natural and normal thoughts in a white country if it didn’t get you locked up for hate, would have you labelled a “Nazi” and have the likes of Zuckerbergs Facepalm censoring your speech.
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May 28, 2017 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  Facebook has become a scary place, and Zuckerberg is a control freak. FB’s decline has been predicted, and none too soon in my opinion.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, who is face palming cesnoring you or for that matter the American Free Press , Occidental Observer , Irish Savant , Daily Stormer , Dave Duke etc, Chris Bollyn etc, etc ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:19am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Why dont you piss of back to India then, since you hate white people so much? White people can live in their homeland and you can stay in yours.
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Padrive Ustoev , unlike you I’m a proud mix of Anglo Saxon , Scots and French.
      
      Yourself ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:05am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        No you are not. You can’t even speak English properly. You don’t know basic English idioms and you constantly use antiquated and broken grammar. You are not from NZ at all.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:38am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        And even if it were true. You are not proud. You are steeped in self loathing.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        Padrev Ustoev,
        
        ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz .. !
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:46pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Proud? you do not sound proud of the heritage that you claim.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rachael Mewbury, speak for your self !
        
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        May 28, 2017 4:56pm
Manolo

The enemy within:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq
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May 28, 2017 9:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo , a Final Solution bubbling away there in the dark recesses of your psyche ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:20am
- Inandout
  
  The UK is well and truly fucked. As with any infestation, it is simply impossible to eradicate rodents completely. The bombings and vehicle slaughter will continue for the foreseeable future. A modern day Blitz without end.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:21am
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    Inandout , in your mind a Final Solution to the Muslim question seriously on the cards ?
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:25am
    - Inandout
      
      Your words, not mine.
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:31am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Inandout , a question directed to you . Kindlly answer it ?
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kindlly answer it ?
        
        Now that’s funny….
        
        stephieboy was asked a serious question yesterday and failed to answer it.
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/hopkins_should_be_sacked.html#comment-1937778
        Stephieboy usually refuses to answer questions here, but often DEMANDS answers from others.
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:54am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Some one put some bromide in stephie’s tea. Katie Hopkins’ words have had a permanent physical effect on him.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:11am
      - Kimbo
        
        Stephieboy usually refuses to answer questions here, but often DEMANDS answers from others.
        
        Hmm. He must take blogging lessons from Chuck Bird during the Friday night sessions at the Delta in Ngaruawahia.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:35am
    - calendar girl
      
      KB’s host reacted critically yesterday to a media commentator (Katie Hopkins) invoking the “Final Solution” terminology to make a point. She, at least, apologised.
      
      You now appear (@ 9:25am) to attribute a “Final Solution” mentality to one of our fellow commentators. That’s none too clever, I suggest.
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:51am
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        Maggy Wassilieff,
        
        Refusing to amswer what ” serious questions ” ?
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        Clalender girl , a reasaoble response judging by the comments posted .
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:12am
      - Kimbo
        
        You now appear (@ 9:25am) to attribute a “Final Solution” mentality to one of our fellow commentators. That’s none too clever, I suggest.
        
        Yes. Is like accusing fellow bloggers of supporting rapists and pedophiles because they don’t agree to your demand that the Minister of Immigration should exceed his authority and powers by attempting to deport one forthwith – an action that would inevitably fail, btw.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:40am
      - calendar girl
        
        Give it away, Kimbo. You know it’s nothing of the sort.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh yes I do. You are the one who took it from being a matter of general debate about the extent of the minister’s responsibilities, and the public accountability of his officials, to my alleged support for Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari:
        
        From your posts on General Debate May 22, with my emphasis, which confirms your allegation both in statement, and by logical inference from the entire thread in which the discussion occurred:
        
        So you accept a lack of accountability on the part of officials. I don’t.
        
        But that’s because I’m firmly on the side of young women – and even younger female children – who were molested by this foreign, serial criminal (May 22, 2017 4:39pm)
        
        Your acceptance of an absence of official accountability in the case of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari is clear for all to reach their own judgements….
        
        If – as you suggest – the Akbari case is stalemated, Minister Woodhouse should be required to resign forthwith from the Ministry. Do you agree? (May 22, 2017 11:42pm)
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_22_may_2017.html
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:39pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ stephieboy
        
        Refusing to amswer what ” serious questions ” ?
        
        Are you incapable of following the link I provided above?
        (to ross12, yesterday)
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:42pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Kimbo, my comments were about the lack of accountability of officials and the Minister. If you consider that they accuse you of support for the actions of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari, then I apologise to you for allowing even a possibility of such misinterpretation. No such meaning was intended.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thank you for the apology, calendar girl. I also withdraw and apologise for my previous accusation that you were lying.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:56pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating ? Plain old Censorhip by another name .
      
      “Don’t join the book burners. Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book…”
      
      ― Dwight D. Eisenhower
      
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      May 28, 2017 4:57pm
      - calendar girl
        
        “Hidden due to low comment rating ? Plain old Censorhip by another name .”
        
        Have you got a death wish, stephieboy? Accusing this blog’s host of censorship may see you stopped short of that coveted 19,000th comment.
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:39pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Let’s say that the UK sets up a legal system to process these 23,000 individuals for expulsion and that the court system can duly process 10 of them a week.
  At that rate of 10 per week (and 520 a year), it would take 23,000/520 = 44 years to handle these cases. That’s assuming no new converts and no immigration.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:25am
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    Subtlety putting a case forward for Genocide ?
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:43am
    - Peter
      
      It means the U.K. Will be stuck with a religious war for decades.
      
      Unless it admits Islam is the root problem and moves to reform it as happened to Catholicism.
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:57am
      - SGA
        
        Unless it [UK] … moves to reform it as happened to Catholicism
        
        I’m assuming that you don’t mean a few judicious beheadings or burnings at the stake 🙂
        So what do you mean?
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:02pm
      - Peter
        
        I mean what I said.
        
        Hard way or easy way? Peaceful way or war?
        
        Remains to be seen.
        
        Because the UK and Europe will not continue with rising incidents of Islamic Jihad.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:51pm
      - SGA
        
        Sorry, accidentally reported you. (When the “Reply” option no longer appears, I find it an easy mistake to make).
        It isn’t clear what you mean. When you say that the UK must somehow enforce (if that’s what you mean) a reform of Islam within its own borders, what should they do? What would be the peaceful way? What would be the warlike way? I’m genuinely curious how you would go about reforming someone else’s religion from the “outside”.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:09pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        bring back Catholicism
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:27pm
      - Peter
        
        Islam is difficult to reform because, unlike Catholicism, it is not centrally controlled.
        
        Interpretation is up to the individual. This is the reason you don’t get much criticism of radical readings of Islam from within Islam, itself.
        
        So, Islam is unlikely to reform itself.
        
        Also acknowledge that it is just as much a political system as it is a religion. A political system that is often counter to Western democracy.
        
        Gad Saad @ 14:50
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS1z7hJPzY0&t=304s
        
        In future, *some aspects* of the Koran will be labelled seditious and banned (these aspects being counter to Western values, such as killing infidels). Peaceful Muslims will support this, of course – as to do otherwise would reveal that they are not so peaceful after all.
        
        This is essentially what happened with Catholicism. They were directed to pretty much ignore (“banned”) many aspects of the Old Testament.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:28pm
      - SGA
        
        This is essentially what happened with Catholicism. They were directed to pretty much ignore (“banned”) many aspects of the Old Testament.
        
        Sorry, which bits of the OT were “banned”? Who directed the banning?
        
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        May 28, 2017 4:31pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      It’s not genocide if you are just removing them. It’s called mass deportation. Moron.
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:00am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      stephieboy ,
      
      Your obsession with genocide is disturbing .
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:04am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        You’d think at the rate he brings it up and accuses people of it, it is some sort of fantasy for him.
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:08am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Stuffyboy thinks he has found a big stick to beat KB’ers with.
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:14am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        And now that he’s learned the words “final” and “solution”, we’re going to have those rammed down our gobs day after day…
        
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        May 28, 2017 4:13pm
lastmanstanding

IMHO wont be too long before we see the good citizens of the UK rebel against their government and security for forces for failing to protect them and then blaming the citizens for ‘hate crimes” and other imagined offence.
Dont write off the British. The stiff upper lip can and will quiver in the face of government opposition to them.

I predict May will struggle to hold on and could finish up with a very small majority as the citizens use the ballot as a protest.

Not that they support Labour Lib Dems but as a peaceful protest as a prelude to the non peaceful protests that will follow unless they see May taking the action the citizens require.

Will be very interesting.
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May 28, 2017 9:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A UK citizen’s rebellion would be easier to propagate in this modern age of social media.
  The first step would be a general citizens’ non-violent strike.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:27am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The revolution begins when you decide to stay at home on a Monday.
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:15am
- Inandout
  
  Any action will be from within ‘The Establishment’, that mysterious organisation that pulls the strings in the UK. It is fiercely traditionalist and has so far escaped being affected by Islam, but the rodents are creeping further into the leafy suburbs and country areas. Eventually no one will be safe, so expect an Establishment push back.
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:38am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Inandout,
    
    I suspect that you are on to something. Jihadis will have to invade the leafy boroughs and quiet country enclaves of the elites before the silent push-back begins.
    
    If the jihadis are smart, they will keep as far away as possible from:
    polo clubs,
    yacht clubs,
    equestrian events,
    dog shows,
    fashion shows,
    hat shows,
    hunting/shooting events,
    golf tournaments,
    fine cuisine events,
    classic car events,
    skiing events, etc.
    
    Just stick to blowing up the workers…
    
    //
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:13am
    - Inandout
      
      Too true O-sen, and one has only to look at Antique Roadshow to see traditional UK. I would imagine it would take a bombing at a London venue that involved children of the very wealthy or influential to see some real action. Shame though that it has to reach those lengths.
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:42am
- Disaster Area
  
  Then you fundamentally misunderstand the British mentality.
  There wasn’t vigilante justice in the almost 30 years that the IRA was planting bombs, I very much doubt that there will be any now.
  
  Perhaps that is because the vast majority of British people realise that blaming all muslims for this atrocity is ridiculous.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:46am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Keeping calm and carrying on is in the Brits’ DNA. Unfortunately.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:16am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Why ‘unfortunately’?
      You sound almost disappointed that the UK isn’t going to descend into a civil war.
      
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      May 28, 2017 3:16pm
      - holysheet
        
        They are at war, but nobody has told them yet.
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:34pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Disaster Area, I agree. The British will think of something if the trouble gets out of hand. They always do.
    
    I am reminded of this simple quote:
    
    “Hard times create strong men.
    Strong men create good times.
    Good times create weak men.
    Weak men create hard times.”
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:18am
DifferentPerspective

Hypocrisy of the Left – walls

You know how Obama is always going on about not hiding behind walls, well it appears that he means everyone else but him.

Work seems to have been completed on the 10 foot wall being build around his home in Washington!

But it’s OK when the Left do it!

Just like vapid, virtue-signalling airhead Katy Perry who responded to Manchester’s dismembered children by calling for no barriers, no borders but of course like all the Left supporting celebrities – she doesn’t think this applies to her in her nicely walled and gated home.

The final solution from the Left = Hypocrisy. Always Hypocrisy!
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- stephieboy
  
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  DP , for heavan’s sake . People aren’t entilted to make their own decsions about the way they develop or use their property whether left or right ?
  
  Spurious and pointless post of the morning .
  
  Doesn’t seem to be a Berlin or Mexican wall to me ,’
  
  http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/news/g2535/obama-new-house-photos/
  
  ( last photo )
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:30am
  - Peter
    
    But what does a wall represent, Stephie? What is the purpose of a wall?
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Peter, why does anyone choose to build a wall around their property ?
      
      Privacy for one of the more popular reasons .
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:14am
      - Peter
        
        It’s not to keep Katy or Barack in.
        
        It’s to keep others out.
        
        Think about that for a second…..
        
        Then think about this…
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/23/katie-perry-on-manchester-bombing-no-barriers-no-borders-we-all-just-need-to-co-exist/
        
        No barriers, no borders?
        
        Oh reaalllllyyy?
        
        Understand the reason why the individual does it, and you’ll understand why states do it.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:43am
      - sooty
        
        He does not want to meet the common man.
        
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        May 28, 2017 11:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      Peter , why does your neighbour choose to put up a wall ?
      
      Most usually privacy protecting from prying and nosy neighbours like you.
      
      I would say it is much the same with the former President and his family given his former roll and protection from hate mongering by loony alt righters like you.
      
      What other silly games do you have in mind ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 1:52pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    That’s a pretty average rental, you’d think after 8 years in the big chair he could afford something better.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:40am
- ztev
  
  Its not 10m high
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4095126/Workers-seen-building-wall-Obamas-new-Washington-DC-home.html
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:48am
  - Ross12
    
    10 feet in DP’s link. Remember it’s the USA .
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:45am
cha

AKA, the acute confusional state.

Reports say that Trump became confused and didn't know where he was in Israel, and in the middle of Press conference "wandered off." pic.twitter.com/8cH2uZVU79— Pesach 'Pace' Lattin (@pacelattin) May 26, 2017

https://twitter.com/pacelattin/status/867949635028959232
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May 28, 2017 9:30am
- Kea
  
  Oh look what slithered out of the sewer to get its virtue signalling fix, repeated from some sleazy anti Trump propaganda rag.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:04am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  He’s just channelling his inner Hillary
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:51am
cha

Fuck.

http://pitchfork.com/news/67352-gregg-allman-dead-at-69/

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/gregg-allman-20-essential-songs-w480242
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May 28, 2017 9:44am
Huevon

If there is a God, and He is just, then there must be a special circle in Hell reserved for the judiciary of the Family Court and the authors of the Property (Relationships) Act 2001.
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May 28, 2017 9:56am
- Kea
  
  In this case I wish those bronze age desert myths were true.
  
  The family court is a disgrace and is nothing more than institutionalised misandry to please the man haters and filthy home wrecking sluts.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:14am
  - dad4justice
    
    Indeed Kea the family court is evil.
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kea , how is the Family Court impacting on your perosnal life to cause such faux outrage ?
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:16am
    - Kea
      
      stupidboy, never had to deal with them personally.
      
      How much has the nazi party “impacting on your perosnal life to cause such faux outrage ?” [sic]
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:21am
- wiseowl
  
  Yes the Property Relationship Act is an appalling piece of legislation .
  It was a direct attack on males by the feminists and has wrought havoc in our society.
  Unfortunately politicians don’ t have the necessary understanding to change it and it will carry on dismantling families in New Zealand.
  The most evil thing is that it was retrospective.
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:53am
  - Huevon
    
    A retrospective law, applied in spite of the private decisions of fully-informed consenting adults, in a secret court by unaccountable judges. When the revolution comes, those judges will be among the first against the wall.
    
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    May 28, 2017 1:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Interesting take. When I studied Family Law, Ruth Busch as lecturer. (For any that know her enough said), but I thought that it is just a way of creating wealth redistribution. The bread winner can usually make more money and ‘recover’ and the recipient is not as reliant on the State.
    I am not sure if that is what I was mean to think. 😉
    I struggled to understand why homosexual couples wanted to be equal under the law, few living together now can play the ‘just friends’ card.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:34pm
    - stephieboy
      
      I thought it was mainly about fairness and justice ,recognising that female spouse makes economic contributions to the family home in terms of looking after the children , help manage the house old budget , help keeping the home intact etc
      
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      May 28, 2017 2:40pm
- GoVege
  
  What on earth is wrong with the Family Court and Property Relationships Act, Huevon?
  Better than kids being forced to stay in orphanages or with the Salvation Army for months or years as happened in the past, when selfish bullies of men hogged the family home or sold it from under them and ran off with the proceeds.
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:14pm
  - mikenmild
    
    There’s nothing wrong with them, unless you think women are chattels not entitled to any share of a relationship’s wealth or are opposed to rational decisions about child custody.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:51pm
Happychappy

I see TV Three has found another way to help change the Government with the promoting of gangs getting their members to register to vote and make sure they get to the ballet boxes to vote. All the major gangs in NZ got together yesterday to encourage their members to register. This is the same media that continues to hassle NZ Governments to break the gangs and their violence against each other and innocent members of the public but are OK when the media want their help to achieve one common goal in changing our Government.
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May 28, 2017 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Thank goodness I don’t frequent the ballet…
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:25am
  - Happychappy
    
    Maggi i’m using my phone and ballot was what I put in but it changed and to a e somehow. The phone gives you three options so I pressed ballot and obviously i’m not the only one that needs spelling lessons.?
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I know happychappy
      
      I hate the damn spell-predictor on my phone (a hand-me down from the daughter)
      
      I just liked the image of gangs lining up for a night at the ballet.
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I suspect that the gangs might be more inclined to vote for the Nats given the soft-cock treatment they’re getting.
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:08am
  - GoVege
    
    Of course they will vote National.
    Their mates in the wonderful Maori Party are working with National to ensure Aotearoa is returned to the Polynesian paradise it was before the honkies invaded and ruined this place.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:48pm
Kea

More on how penises cause climate change as published in a peer-reviewed academic journal. This was done as a hoax to expose the corruption in academia.

This is hilarious and worth a read…

The reviewers were amazingly encouraging, giving us very high marks in nearly every category. For example, one reviewer graded our thesis statement “sound” and praised it thusly, “It capturs [sic] the issue of hypermasculinity through a multi-dimensional and nonlinear process” (which we take to mean that it wanders aimlessly through many layers of jargon and nonsense). The other reviewer marked the thesis, along with the entire paper, “outstanding” in every applicable category.

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
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May 28, 2017 10:01am
- SGA
  
  Kea, see my comment to your original post above.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:12am
  - Kea
    
    I predicted some moral cripple would slither out of the ooze to drag a red herring and create a distraction.
    
    Human vermin like you are harming society and holding us back. Stronger measures must be implemented to protect innocent people.
    
    http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:19am
    - SGA
      
      Shucks, I’m hardly worth the effort you put into that post. Thanks Kea :-). Happy trolling.
      
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      May 28, 2017 10:22am
      - Kea
        
        You are a glutton for punishment I will give you that much, happy fake virtue signalling 😉
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:44am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Meh
        Same old same old from
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        May 28, 2017 11:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like a companion piece to the feminist study of glaciers.
  http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132515623368
  The NSF has spent the last several years funding a $412,930 study that culminated in a paper entitled “Glaciers, Gender, and Science: A Feminist Glaciology Framework for Global Environmental Change Research.” The report quotes the authors’ belief that “the feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power, and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to a more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.”
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:28am
  - Kea
    
    This is the sort of drivel SGA and his fellow travelers want as the basis for govt policy. That is the scary thing.
    
    It could take decades to fix the harm the AGW political movement has done to the sciences.
    
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    May 28, 2017 10:47am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I think a feminist study of glaciers is appropriate.
    Most feminists that I have spoken to have an icy outlook on life.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I hope global warming works for you…… melts those icy gals.
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

In a matter of 20 minutes here stephieboy has tried to twist 3 posts into statements that the posters were advocating the genocide of muslims.

Where does such nasty thinking originate from?
The posters or stephieboy?
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May 28, 2017 10:07am
- nasska
  
  I reckon it’s some sort of psychosis where reality becomes frayed Maggy. Remember how Patricia Bartlett could see pornography in a landscape photo.
  
  I doubt that a cure exists.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:33am
- simpleton1
  
  I think these ideas come from following and being guided in the sayings, advice, actions and in deeds of the “perfect man” Mohammad.
  
  It is all derived from the scrabble and shibboleth verses in the koran, hadith sunnah and sira, that may be activated as per issue by an imam or such.
  
  Any change or moderation/reformation like Ahmadiyya founded in 1889 (30 million adherents >1% of muslims) or the Bahai faith is derided and persecuted by the 4 major schools of islamic jurisprudence.
  
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  May 28, 2017 10:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff , when have I done that exactly ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_28_may_2017.html#comment-1938468
    
    then here
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_28_may_2017.html#comment-1938475
    
    and here:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_28_may_2017.html#comment-1938496
    
    Have you forgotten already?
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:34am
    - Rich Prick
      
      It’s worse than herpes, isn’t it.
      
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      May 28, 2017 11:44am
    - Reid
      
      It was other members of his party having a go Maggy. That’s why he didn’t know he’d said it. Three times.
      
      Either that or he’s completely mental.
      
      Which one is it stephie?
      
      (There doesn’t appear to be a third alternative.)
      
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      May 28, 2017 12:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy Wassilieff,
      
      Inandout
      
      The UK is well and truly fucked. As with any infestation, it is simply impossible to eradicate rodents completely. The bombings and vehicle slaughter will continue for the foreseeable future. A modern day Blitz without end.
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      Inandout , in your mind a Final Solution to the Muslim question seriously on the cards ?
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      One a question was directed to him . Next a reasomable inference was made from this remark,
      
      “..As with any infestation, it is simply impossible to eradicate rodents completely..”
      
      Now your turn to try and further distort my meaning ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 1:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        do you understand how nested comments work?
        
        Inandout referred to the eradication of rodents….
        
        and this was in reference to Manolo’s post & link
        which references 23,000 jihadists.
        
        Any thinking person would realise that the rodents referred back to the jihadists carrying out terrorist acts.
        
        Nowhere does Inandout refer to the eradication of any other group – let alone talk of a “final solution” for Muslims.
        That is your distortion.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “Inandout referred to the eradication of rodents” as a metaphor for people in a similar way the Nazis used rats to equate with Jews .
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:42pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Today. You did it today and you do it pretty much every day. This might be an acceptable way to debate in India, you ancestral homeland, but in European society this is rude. If you were in a pub, you’d get glasses by now.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:45am
    - Gabby
      
      Glasses is rude, padrivel.
      
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      May 28, 2017 2:24pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Who kicked your box?
        
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        May 28, 2017 4:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff , where have I done that other than frame a question for those to give a reply if they wish.
  
  Get a life !
  
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  May 28, 2017 1:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Get a life !
    
    I’ve had a life, stephieboy.
    
    I’m old; it’s raining,; the bread is baking in the oven; I’ve done the vacuuming; I’ve lunched with my hubby….
    
    You have nearly 19,000 comments on KB….. How on earth do you manage to do anything ?
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For SGA

a couple of days ago you were wanting evidence that the MSM was characterising the Manchester Bomb as the work of a lone wolf…

Now, I know he’s not the MSM, but he is the ex-POTUS and you would think that he’d have followed the news .. but still he talks of a “lone wolf”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-40046279
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May 28, 2017 10:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Pretty spurious comment . There are many reasons why the former President is avoiding the crowds and the Manchester bombing could be one of them.
  
  One of those who hoped to see him in person,
  
  Stewart Kermack, 61, from Prestwick, said: “I came especially to see Obama. I think he is a great guy and was a very charismatic leader.”
  
  You possibly might like to disagree ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not talking about why the ex-POTUS didn’t mix with the local folk…
    I’m providing evidence that a select group don’t want to admit that there is a concerted group of people involved in deliberate terrorist actions against civilians.
    
    These attacks are all too frequently dismissed as the work of a lone wolf.
    
    If you had read my posting to SGA carefully, you should have comprehended this.
    
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    May 28, 2017 11:29am
    - SGA
      
      If you had read my posting to SGA carefully, you should have comprehended this.
      
      huh? What are you going on about?
      
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      May 28, 2017 12:07pm
      - SGA
        
        Oh I see, sorry.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SGA
        
        Oh I see, sorry.
        
        No problem.
        
        It’s a long and slow process drilling basic comprehension skills into some folks.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:58pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mr Kermack, 61, from Prestwick..sounds like a line from a Two Ronnies sketch.
    
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    May 28, 2017 12:00pm
- SGA
  
  Well… you are sort of proving my original point, Maggy. I can’t remember the exact words of the person I was replying to, but they were commenting on the desperate, concerted effort by the MSM to portray this as a “lone wolf” attack. That wasn’t my impression, and that you’ve been able to find only a few examples to the contrary sort of supports that impression. From early on, what I saw in the MSM in this instance took a broader approach.
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na SGA
    
    I’m not wasting time looking for examples…
    It’s just that this one from Obama was so blatantly absurd, I had to reference it.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:00pm
  - calendar girl
    
    But, SGA, the “lone wolf” interpretation faded fairly quickly after media leaks provided the killer’s identity and his links to Libya and dubious persons.
    
    Ironically, the UK security forces were furious at their USA counterparts and USA media for such leaks, yet the media reports did have the positive effect of dispelling the misleading “lone wolf” theory. Not for ex-President Obama, however, who – days later – was still alluding to lone wolf attacks.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:33pm
    - SGA
      
      I didn’t trawl the MSM looking at different stories, but where I did look, there wasn’t much of a “lone wolf” angle at all. The initial reports were of an explosion at a concert, then a terrorist bomb, and then questions of how many might be involved. It wasn’t like the sort of reporting you get when someone drives a truck into a crowd, or runs amok with a knife. Bombs typically involve more than one person (and most of the UK media knows that – the UK’s had decades of experience with bombings).
      
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      May 28, 2017 3:06pm
- Longknives
  
  I also saw one of our own TVNZ ‘Breakfast’ muppets saying ‘This is clearly a Lone Wolf attack’ in the aftermath of this..
  Any chance of a retraction/apology from TVNZ? Out of respect for the children slaughtered??
  Not a fucking hope..
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:22pm
  - SGA
    
    If true, it is bizarre –
    Guy with a knife attacks House of Commons: Equipment needed – next to none, technical expertise – none, planning – next to none, probable damage – low (although any life lost to such attack is a tragedy). “Lone wolf” – high probability.
    Guy wears a suicide vest to a concert … “Lone wolf” – low probability.
    
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    May 28, 2017 12:38pm
Kea

KB constantly rings to the scream of “nazi” when the nazi party ended in 1945. There is no such thing as a nazi in 2017 NZ.

What sickens me is the people screaming nazi are defenders of the zionist movement and Israel. That is a real thing and it is they who are committing genocide (through their proxies in the West), illegally invading other countries, murdering civilians, running a state based on nationalism and race purity etc.

Of course there are deniers who will deny the official investigations and findings of he UN and numerous independent bodies, including many within the rogue state of Israel.
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May 28, 2017 11:18am
- stephieboy
  
  Kea , there are those like Kerry Bolton and Martin Doutre who have pro Nazi sympathies .
  
  I would add EAD . However I’m not sure about you as confused and muddled as you often appear to be.
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:27am
- Kea
  
  Six ways Israel keep the untermensch goy out:
  
  http://www.alternet.org/world/6-crazy-things-israel-has-done-maintain-racial-purity
  
  1. No-Sex Contracts: In 2003, an Israeli company importing Chinese workers required them to sign a contract agreeing not to marry or have sex with any Israelis. No legal action was taken against the company, as Israel has no laws protecting workers from such demands.
  
  2. Birth Control Without Consent: For years, the Israeli government was injecting Ethiopian Jewish immigrants with birth control, “often without their knowledge or consent.” When the practice was exposed in 2013, it was ordered to be halted….
  
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  May 28, 2017 11:29am
Kea

DNA testing for race purity:

number of people from the former Soviet Union wishing to immigrate to Israel could be subjected to DNA testing to prove their Jewishness, the Prime Minister’s Office said Sunday.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/

The Times of Israel is a good read because they are so arrogant and genuinely believe they are superior to non Jews. So they do not even try and dress things up. They constantly frame articles based on a Jews v The Goy theme.

Well worth reading if you want to see what the rouge nuclear armed state of zionists might do next !
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May 28, 2017 11:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Kea , can you give examples of the Times of Israel as being superior to non Jews ?
  
  Happy with the POTUS cozying up to Israel ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 1:34pm
  - Kea
    
    For the third time… Yes I am happy and want NZ to have good relations with Israel too. The problem is not countries getting on with each other dimwit.
    
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    May 28, 2017 6:04pm
  - BeeSting
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR ISRAEL
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR ISRAEL
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR ISRAEL
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR CHINA
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR CHINA
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR CHINA
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR SAUDI ARABIA
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR SAUDI ARABIA
    
    MULTI CULTURALISM FOR SAUDI ARABIA
    
    SEND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME
    TO NZ
    
    I AM SURE STUPID A HOLE BOYS MATES
    WILL GIVE THEM HUGS
    
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    May 29, 2017 12:01am
- Gabby
  
  The rouge state are seeing red now, cack.
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:31pm
Odakyu-sen

How can Japan boost its birthrate?
Introduce a tax on single, good-looking men.
(I am not making this up.) Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jh7wsbWv7E

What kinds of taxes should NZ introduce to curb anti-social behavior? (Not having children is anti-society, I suppose…)
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May 28, 2017 11:41am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Perhaps they should stop making women feel like they are over the hill after quite a young age, I believe.
  Anecdotally a NZ associate of mine married a Japanese woman, IIRC she was in her 30’s, he said that she was unmarriageable in Japan, I do not know how correct that is. She went back after the tsunami and seems to have found a Japanese male partner after they split.
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:47pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    There is on old Japanese saying that a woman is like Christmas cake. No one wants one after 25.
    
    (The 25th)
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:34pm
Left Right and Centre

“My sister said to me, ‘when you went riding and you came off the horse, you didn’t send the horse to the glue factory. You got back on and you carried on’,” he told Mirror Online.

Advice given to Keman Allen post Manchester Arena; leading to subsequent attendance of Take That concert in Liverpool. Comedy gold people.
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May 28, 2017 11:45am
Kea

KB logic: 101

1. Atheist = Anti-Semite ,but only Jewish semites !

2. Opposes religious persecution = nazi.

3. Opposes wars and violence = nazi.

4. Wants various religious groups to stop killing each other = nazi.

5. Does not think Jews are Gods chosen master race and treats them the same as anyone else as a result = anti semite / nazi

6. Opposes the dropping of hundreds of thousands of bombs on Muslims = anti semite

And on it goes 🙂
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May 28, 2017 11:48am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/92880663/kiwi-lawyer-comes-home-from-uk-to-find-16000-student-loan-grown-to-85000

Cry me a fucking river!
As someone who stayed in NZ and painstakingly paid off his Student Loan before travelling (Didn’t see the World until well into my 30s)- I have very little sympathy for people who swanned off to the UK having the time of their fucking lives hoping their loans would just disappear..
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May 28, 2017 11:48am
- fernglas
  
  Couldn’t be much of a lawyer if he couldn’t manage his own financial affairs
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:29pm
- Callum
  
  Apparently they changed the law to charge interest in 2006 and didn’t tell him? Funny, I though 2006 was when they STOPPED charging interest as long as you met your repayment obligations and were resident in NZ. I was paying interest from day one on my loan, there is no way someone who left in 1993 didn’t know they were being charged interest and that there were specific payment obligations if you left the country.
  The reporter is a badly informed idiot.
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:50pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Lawyer, 52 years old, practicing, “earning” $40,000 pa.
  
  Failure or tax dodger?
  
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  May 28, 2017 1:10pm
  - holysheet
    
    Both.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:56pm
Kimbo

Time for Kea to go.

Trolling Zionism/anti-Semitism is one thing, and I commend DPF for his indulgence and reluctance to bring the blade down on the unruly bird for a 10th and permanent strike – when, if usual standards had been applied it could have happened on many occasions.

But shitting on Kiwiblog’s resident unfailing gentleman, SGA? Nope. That’s crossing the line. Time to haul out the Colonel’s secret 14 herbs and spices and have a Kea bbq.

So in adaptation of the populist movement some are attempting to initiate on Kiwiblog:

**~~Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari~~ Kea must go**

…and unlike Michael Woodhouse, the gaffer of this domain is fully within his rights to do it – and there is no possibility of the deportation being overturned on appeal, let alone Deborah Manning getting involved.
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May 28, 2017 12:00pm
- nasska
  
  Stop picking on the parrot! 🙂
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:05pm
  - Kimbo
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
    
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    May 28, 2017 12:07pm
  - Kea
    
    nasska, back in the day I would just get called lots of nasty and hilarious names. Now everyone goes snivelling to DPF demanding people are banned the moment they get challenged.
    
    KB is turning into an echo chamber/circle jerk of intellectual and moral cripples. They have the entire msm to virtue signal on, so why trot out their faked beliefs here !
    
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    May 28, 2017 12:20pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”KB is turning into an echo chamber/circle jerk of intellectual and moral cripples”….
      
      Not really. It’s more that those who can’t control themselves have left or been eased out when DPF became responsible for comments on his own blog.
      
      For myself I disagree on much that you push but you argue your case well & often amusingly. Whether you stay or go will be up to you as it won’t be what you say but the way you say it which will count.
      
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      May 28, 2017 12:31pm
      - Kea
        
        Rubbish. The worse stuff does not attract sanction from the host. It is about what is said not the way it’s said.
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        For myself I disagree on much that you push but you argue your case well & often amusingly
        
        And I agree at times with that assessment of Kea. And I don’t have a problem if people are called out for lies or hypocrisy or sanctimony as those are shams that attempt to distort the truth. I’m doing the same on General Debate right now with calendar girl. But if you do, I think, no matter how heated, the other party has to be challenged with facts you can cite.
        
        And I also acknowledge that some of the statements around here, especially the past week about Muslims in the wake of the Manchester bombings stink. Others can judge some of the content of their intellect and character from it, just as yours and mine can be judged from what we post. But at least those folks aren’t trolling. Hence when Kea says directly above:
        
        Rubbish. The worse stuff does not attract sanction from the host. It is about what is said not the way it’s said
        
        I call “bullshit”.
        
        Also, Griff, for all his failings, had a valid point about the “tone fallacy”. Yep. But Kea’s purpose, I’d suggest is clear – it isn’t to debate, with occasional invective. It is trolling, pure and simple. And occasional reasonable argument or amusement is incidental. SGA may not have a problem (and that is not surprising considering his unfailingly polite temperament and purpose) with Kea’s post at 10:19AM:
        
        I predicted some moral cripple would slither out of the ooze to drag a red herring and create a distraction.
        
        Human vermin like you are harming society and holding us back. Stronger measures must be implemented to protect innocent people.
        
        …but I’d suggest there is no (to quote you, nasska)”case” that is being “argued”, let alone “well” in that post. And amusing? Well, not as amusing as seeing the parrot sent to outer darkness for it. But then that’s just my sense of humour, which I acknowledge is a subjective thing 😉
        
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        May 28, 2017 12:58pm
      - nasska
        
        Before I could start to effectively argue whether Kea’s occasional outbursts are over the top trolling or forceful argument I’d have to know how you perceive internet debate.
        
        If we were deciding the fate of the world in a public bar or a smoko room we would have many ways of making a point & interpreting the response. We would take cues from frowns/smiles, body stance, voice tone/pitch & maybe tactile senses such as pat on the back or a smack around the head.
        
        But we are arguing about a one dimensional world where ability to use the written word is the only factor dictating your ability to move an argument. It is also subject to a time delay unlike conversation.
        
        In such a setting hyperbole is to be expected & the witty will triumph over the wise.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        In such a setting hyperbole is to be expected
        
        Yes, I think I acknowledged that.
        
        …& the witty will triumph over the wise
        
        He he he. You seem to be subconsciously invoking some deity to dispense justice. 😉
        
        I’m more of the opinion discipline, at least of a bare minimum standard must be administered to restrain chaos for those qualities to be revealed, as that victory is not automatic.
        
        Put it this way, as repugnant and/or ridiculous as I find EAD’s views, and as pathetic as his rhetorical efforts are to plead his case and shill for attention and interaction, it is a testament to DPF’s libertarian consistency, that I’m glad EAD is given a platform
        
        …and an indictment of Kea’s peddling of the same ideas/drive-by shit on others efforts.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:28pm
      - nasska
        
        Agree Kimbo. We are the richer for their involvement even though we may find their opinion totally at odds with our own.
        
        And this is why the parrot should be protected.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        So you are a bloody Greenie! 😉 Onya nasska, and you may well be right. Judging by the response to my original petition, my motion seems to be going down in flames like the Hindenburg. A testament to the libertarian spirit of Kiwibloggers, or a rejection of my apparent bad taste linking it with a NZ resident pedophile.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:35pm
- Kea
  
  Hitler was a “gentleman”. What is your point Kimbo ? [Other than people you disagree with should be exterminated.]
  
  Is it that style trumps substance and wrongs are rights if presented in a way that appeals to your pretentions and arrogance ?
  
  I am struggling to find other interpretations that explain your wee Sunday meltdown.
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:06pm
- SGA
  
  That’s crossing the line.
  
  Nah, it’s good for me. What I did find bizarre is Kea’s comment “KB is turning into an echo chamber… ” as a reaction to people who have the audacity to disagree with him.
  
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  May 28, 2017 12:29pm
  - Kea
    
    Weak. Try harder ☺
    
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    May 28, 2017 12:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Kimbo
  
  and are you happy with stephieboy distorting the posts of good folk, implying that they advocate the genocide of muslims?
  
  Are you happy with me being labelled an alt-righter (= Nazi) by the stephieboy consortium?
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:07pm
  - Kimbo
    
    No, but I flushed stephieboy some 16 months ago as an inveterate troll.
    
    In contrast, despite my disagreement with calendar girl, I at least engaged because I believed there was a substantial element of integrity within her to which to appeal. And I am grateful for her postive response, clarification and apology – to which I reciprocated – and that is the end of the matter. As I have counseled you on a number of occasions, IMHO stephieboy lacks that moral and cognitive capacity. Crudely put, you can’t get shit from a rocking horse. 😉
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      On Mar 10 I sent a complaint notice to DPF about stephieboy’s concerted campaign to link my name with alt-right literature and beliefs.
      
      What happened?
      Nothing for stephieboy, but Griff got a strike.
      (I hadn’t even mentioned Griff)
      
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      May 28, 2017 2:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        I believe Griff got a strike for mocking your tendency to link to dubious CT climate change sites and other kinds of quackery .
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:46pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilief
        
        As the All Black tourists learned in the games on their tours to South Africa in 1928, 1949, 1960, 1970, and 1976 under the direction of local officials
        
        …the referee is the sole judge of fact 😉
        
        Plus stephieboy, while consistently contrarian and, inconsistent and illogical in his trolling, is seldom obnoxious in his choice of specific language. Occasional images of women’s genitalia notwithstanding.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Thanks stephieboy,
        
        I have no idea how DPF’s strike system works…
        I just send him notes for his files…
        You never know when something might be needed at a later date.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:58pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilief
        
        Plus I’d also suggest, as there are those around here who hold tacit and in some case explicit alt-Right quasi-Nazi sympathies and views that readily emerge whenever the matter of Muslims and/or jihadist terrorism emerge, one leaves oneself open to the accusation of lending unwitting support unless clear differentiation of views is made in one’s posts. I’m not saying you are an Alt-Right Nazi, but unless you are being accused of being a fellow-traveller by those at both extremes, then I’d suggest you have failed to differentiate your view sufficiently in this forum! Doesn’t make it right, but it just is. I say that as one who has been accused of being both a “sympathiser and enabler of Moslem terrorism”, and a “Zionist troll” 😉
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        is seldom obnoxious in his choice of specific language.
        
        I would suggest labelling someone with my surname and family history an alt-righter (=Nazi) on a public forum is thoroughly obnoxious…..(and probably defamatory).
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        thoroughly obnoxious
        
        Finally gotcha with Kimbo’s law! 😉 No. while I’m not defending stephieboy’s accusation, and while the accusation/argument is indeed obnoxious, nonetheless his choice of words to deliver it are not. So no, not “entirely”.
        
        For example, contrast it with Kea’s post at 10:19AM (and I’ll re-post it again), and it is the reason why, as egregious as stephieboy can be, Kea’s trolling is in a category of one for consistency, invective…and incendiary rhetoric:
        
        I predicted some moral cripple would slither out of the ooze to drag a red herring and create a distraction.
        
        Human vermin like you are harming society and holding us back. Stronger measures must be implemented to protect innocent people.
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        My bad, although in context the meaning of both adverbs is the same:
        
        “~~entirely~~ thoroughly”
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        one leaves oneself open to the accusation of lending unwitting support unless clear differentiation of views is made in one’s posts. I’m not saying you are an Alt-Right Nazi, but unless you are being accused of being a fellow-traveller by those at both extremes, then I’d suggest you have failed to differentiate your view sufficiently in this forum!
        
        That encapsulates the problem.
        
        I do make my position clear…. always have…that is why I post under my own name.
        
        But right from my arrival here on KB, some people have been able to write insinuating, dishonest posts about me and my beliefs. My only defence has been to keep on writing and call-out the lies.
        
        For anyone who had a reputation to protect or a job to keep, they would have been in trouble. Most folks will have the sense not to engage in this form of debate.
        
        And who flourishes when distorted views hold sway?
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair call, although
        
        1. It was your choice to use your name. Not saying it is right you reputation is on the line. but nonetheless.
        
        2. The three-fold an exercise of
        
        What did she say?
        What did she mean?
        So what?
        
        can be applied to your words, no matter how poorly by others.
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:34pm
    - Kea
      
      Kimbo, crying troll discredits you not the other persons comment.
      
      I am very pleased to hear I distress a theist like you. I feel good about that.
      
      And it’s not that I am particularly against you. In fact you are one of the better ones. But you still tend to distort reality to fit with your religious prejudice at times.
      
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      May 28, 2017 3:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @kimbo
        
        forget the analysis of words… re the alt-righter Nazi crap.
        
        My beef is that there are still Wassilieff relatives alive in NZ who lived through the Nazi regime.
        The memory of my in-laws who were untermensch under Hitler is dishonoured by this shit.
        It is an insult to them and my husband that such crap is promulgated on this site.
        
        However, as you say…. I’m not the ref, not my site….
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        forget the analysis of words
        
        Sorry, Maggy, it’s the only hammer I have, so it dictates that everything looks like a nail to me. 😉
        
        Um, and while I don’t agree with those who readily compare Zionists to Nazis, and while the analogy is in almost every case illegitimate, nonetheless as offensive as it is, I don’t think in and of itself is grounds for discipline. Nor a similar accusation against you,…in a context where Nazi-like prescriptions are being suggested in the surrounding conversation by various posters.
        
        That you family are Holocaust victims is doubly offensive, but is incidental. No one had to know your family background, and nor should another restrain themselves in discussion with you because of it. But deliberately (justified adverb!) using the Wassilief family history to offend? Yeah, ok, that is over-stepping the line. But as stupid and offensive as he can be, I’m not convinced that was stephie intent. Put it this way, at times, when I think cmm’s arguments show inconsistency and a blanket assumption about others (especially Muslims). In response I’ll mention to cmm that his South African homeland used to apply the same principles, and some would automatically deem him a racist by default because of it – even though I don’t think he is…so perhaps he should exercise more grace, discernment and restraint.
        
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        May 28, 2017 4:58pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        You focus on the words then; I’ll look for meaning.
        
        What is the motive for stephieboy & co deliberately distorting/misrepresenting the posts of other people here?
        Is it to force a blow-up of DPF’s blog?
        Is it an attempt to shut up all contrary views?
        Is it a deliberate attack against individuals?
        
        (The family are not Holocaust survivors…
        
        The father-in-law was unable to progress with his secondary education as he was not a German…He was put to work in an armament factory….
        
        The mother-in-law’s history is murky to trace..
        best not to imagine how a young female Slav managed to get through those years.. we never really found out… but she spoke Russian, Serbo-croat, German, French, Italian and English fluently… probably ensured her survival.)
        
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        May 28, 2017 5:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        What is the motive for stephieboy & co deliberately distorting/misrepresenting the posts of other people here?
        Is it to force a blow-up of DPF’s blog?
        Is it an attempt to shut up all contrary views?
        Is it a deliberate attack against individuals?
        
        Their own personal amusement. So if it offends you, why indulge them?
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:08pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I am very pleased to hear I distress a theist like you. I feel good about that.
      
      Irrespective of your arguments, if you shit on a good guy and asset to Kiwiblog like SGA (and it is a testament to his integrity that he is probably indifferent or even embarrassed at me calling you out)
      
      …and you’ll get me calling for the farmer to bring out his axe, with roast parrot on the menu. Am happy to prepare the sauce…
      
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      May 28, 2017 3:31pm
Fletch

Complete insanity continues in American college campuses.

Over the last 72 hours, students have taken over a small liberal arts college in Washington state, and only one adult has tried to stop them.

Students at Evergreen State College in Olympia, who filmed their exploits and posted the videos on social media, have occupied and barricaded the library, shouting down anyone who disagrees with them or shows insufficient passion for racial justice.

Biology professor Bret Weinstein was berated by dozens of students outside of his classroom Tuesday morning for refusing to participate in an event in which white people were invited to leave campus for a day. Now, he says police have told him to hold his classes off campus due to safety concerns.

Things are “out of control at Evergreen,” he said.
“Police told me protesters stopped cars yesterday, demanding information about occupants,” Mr. Weinstein told The Washington Times. “They believe I was being sought. It appears that the campus has been under the effective control of protesters since 9:30 a.m. Tuesday. Police are on lockdown, hamstrung by the college administration. Students, staff and faculty are not safe.”

It gets even crazier as you read on. Students are totally out of control and just, well, idiots.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/evergreen-state-students-demand-professor-resign-f/
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May 28, 2017 12:49pm
- SGA
  
  Shame they can’t call out the National Guard to deal with it 😉
  For those too young (or too old, I guess) to remember –
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
  Rather than this being a new thing, I’d suggest that US college campuses are quieter now than in the 1960s/70s.
  
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  May 28, 2017 1:11pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep, was the era of takeovers of entire campuses, with student radicals trying to imitate Mao’s Cultural Revolution, “re-educating” lecturers, and seeking to overturn entire curricula.
    
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    May 28, 2017 1:20pm
    - Fletch
      
      It’s happening again. In a way it is worse than the 1960s. At least some of those protests might have had some merit (although it is debateable). Attacking a professor because he doesn’t want to leave with all the other white people for a “blacks-only day’ is dumb. It is also racist. But they turn it around the other way and call him racist.
      
      Tucker Carlson usually has a segment on college campuses but is devoting an entire show to it next week. It’s getting out of control, with students putting forwards lists of demands and getting them. Getting professors or even presidents fired who don’t kowtow to their liberal demands. Last week one student body won the right to paint a building in colors signifying black rights, but they still aren’t happy.
      
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      May 28, 2017 1:29pm
      - SGA
        
        It’s happening again. In a way it is worse than the 1960s. At least some of those protests might have had some merit (although it is debateable).
        
        It comes and goes, Fletch. Vietnam, feminism and race issues, US support of Central American dictatorships – I even know someone who spent a night in jail as a college student for protesting US investment in apartheid SA. US college’s have a history of it, and nothing we see now gets close to warranting another Scranton Commision.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Commission_on_Campus_Unrest
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        It’s happening again. In a way it is worse than the 1960s.
        
        No it’s not. That was the era of the Black Panthers, Weatherman, and the Huston Plan.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:38pm
starboard

Mornin from Bangkok taxdodgers. It’s a sticky 27 deg here just walking 100 metres to the local 7 brings on a dripping sweat. Still, I love this place, if you’ve never been here ya gotta try it..

mm, I swear that was you walking rapidly into the blowjob bar on soi 5 early this morn ?

“””Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go””’
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May 28, 2017 12:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  mm, I swear that was you walking rapidly into the blowjob bar on soi 5 early this morn ?
  
  What gave him away?
  
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  May 28, 2017 1:25pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Let me guess.
    
    It was the lightweight cardigan/vest (for tropical use), the free-breathing, activated-carbon-impregnated calf socks and the faux Roman sandals…?
    
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    May 28, 2017 1:34pm
    - SGA
      
      “faux Roman sandals” – now that’s insulting. A man like mm would never been seen in anything less than a pair of Birkenstocks.
      
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      May 28, 2017 1:47pm
  - nasska
    
    The grey shoes, cardigan & the copy of the Dom/Post under his arm. 🙂
    
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    May 28, 2017 1:35pm
    - starboard
      
      The pink gimp suit gave him away, I’ve seen it before in his wardrobe along with other dubious looking paraphernalia ( rubber bums etc ). Must have a word with his Mum.
      
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      May 28, 2017 1:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The pink gimp suit gave him away, I’ve seen it before in his wardrobe…
        
        You may have just given away too much. Are you his gimp who has to wear it?
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:46pm
      - starboard
        
        not even remotely funny bimbo…go away
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        not even remotely funny bimbo…go away
        
        Oh, I don’t know, and I’d suggest that unnecessary and excessive adverb I’ve emphasised above gives it away. And I note you still don’t understand that if you post in a public forum, entitled ‘General Debate’, with a “reply” option
        
        …you’re asking for a response.
        
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        May 28, 2017 1:52pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Ugh!
        (How do I un-see that pink, gimpy mental image…?)
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard , you wearing a sandwich board with “””Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go” in Thai ?
  
  LOL !
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:53pm
  - starboard
    
    Namaste stupidboy…no.
    
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    May 28, 2017 3:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  I gave starboard an uptick for checking the weather in Bangkok this time before pretending he is commenting from there.
  
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  May 28, 2017 3:13pm
  - dad4justice
    
    How’s Norma today milkey?
    
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    May 28, 2017 3:22pm
Nostradamus

Indigenous leaders call for representative body and treaties process after Uluru convention

Indigenous leaders from across the country have outright rejected the idea of mere recognition in the constitution, instead calling for a representative body to be enshrined in the nation’s founding document and a process established working towards treaties.
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Cape York leader Noel Pearson said there was no enthusiasm for a statement of acknowledgment of Indigenous people in the constitution. He said the delegates agreed that a parliamentary “voice” would be more “substantive”. “It will have a more practical impact Aboriginal people’s place in the democracy,” he said. “That’s what they’ve chosen rather than some sort of nice words of acknowledgement.”

A Treaty of ~~Waitangi~~ Uluru – what could possibly go wrong?
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May 28, 2017 1:42pm
Reid

stephie’s “diversity dividend.”

Study Shows Non-Western Immigrants & Their Descendants Cost Denmark 33 Billion Crowns Annually

A recent study conducted by Denmark’s Ministry of Finance concluded that in 2014, immigrants and their descendants cost Danish taxpayers at net loss of 28 billion Crowns per year.

Furthermore, when Western immigrants were removed from the equation, the net cost rose to 33kr billion.

Compare this to tax receipts from ethnic Danes, who contributed a surplus of 56kr billion in 2014…

http://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/05/23/immigration-costs-denmark/
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May 28, 2017 1:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , a cursory glance of your link reveals an obviously pro alt right zenophobic agenda e.g .
  
  http://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/02/16/day-without-immigrants-cost/
  
  ( note highly selective use of photos as if all immigrants were covered in tattoos )
  
  Can you apply the same analysis to our experience of multiculturalism and the diversity dividend ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 2:03pm
  - starboard
    
    stupidboy, I understand you are of Indian origin?
    Namaste. Can you recommend a good curry eating house in here Bangkok, pref somewhere close to the BTS.
    Dhanyavaad.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard wrong as usual . Thailand’s time zone the same as our’s ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 2:48pm
      - starboard
        
        What do you think braindead. Im eating breakfast.
        
        ” our’s ?”
        
        lol..you really do struggle with the english language dont you..dead giveaway that you are an import.
        
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        May 28, 2017 2:53pm
  - holysheet
    
    Now you are just taking the piss. Diversity dividend my arse.
    How has an influx of head bangers increased our way of life here in NZ? If anything, it’s done exactly the opposite. One of you here is one to many.
    
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    May 28, 2017 2:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd ,
      
      “How has an influx of head bangers increased our way of life here in NZ? ” ???
      
      How are the 200 Syrian refugees diminishing Dunedins way of life at this moment ?
      
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      May 28, 2017 2:50pm
      - starboard
        
        At least they won’t be short of taxi drivers.
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:12pm
      - holysheet
        
        Give them time, give them time. Look what your lot have done to Mt Roskill. That is not pretty to see.
        
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        May 28, 2017 3:44pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    stephieboy
    
    I used to read some of your posts in the past because you occasionally presented arguments and links with evidence challenging my prejudices, but for some time now it’s been red herrings, strawmen, and ‘Oh look, squirrels!’ – a menagerie of irrelevance.
    
    In your response to Reid, you ignore the apparently solid statistical evidence provided in the link and respond with a generalised smear and another link, whose more speculative statistics you also ignore.
    
    Since DPF now and then has guest posts, perhaps you can write one, setting out all the benefits of cultural diversity, apart from food and colourful costumes. Until then, this has been the last of your posts I will read.
    
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    May 28, 2017 3:49pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Kiwi Dave:
      
      Since DPF now and then has guest posts, perhaps you can write one
      
      Stephieboy may need editorial assistance from Kokila, though, to ensure that his guest post is comprehensible! (And, by comprehensible, I mean an acceptable number of spelling and grammatical errors.)
      
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      May 28, 2017 4:00pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    It’s spelled xenophobia you moron.
    
    Go back to India.
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      somebody is starting to check stephieboy’s spelling.
      
      He first posted the word here as zeophobic.
      
      Nearly got it right.
      
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      May 28, 2017 5:03pm
Nostradamus

Dubai’s first Robocop is every bit as weird as you’d expect

The world’s first operational robot police officer joined the Dubai Police force on Sunday. Emirates 24/7 News reports that the robocop greeted guests at the opening of the 4th Gulf Information Security Expo Conference (GISEC). Although the Robocop was first unveiled in 2015, the time has come for it to commence its duty. Dubai, the capital city of the United Arab Emirates, plans to replace a large portion of its human police force with Robocops.

I imagine our writer-in-resident, Stars and Stripes, could incorporate this futuristic idea into his next Postcard series instalment in a creative way!
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May 28, 2017 1:58pm
Manolo

Our own Griff has joined Al Gore in a stern letter to the White House:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4547434/Trump-charm-snarls-climate-change-migrants-trade.html
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May 28, 2017 2:15pm
Manolo

Crooked and deluded:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html
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May 28, 2017 2:17pm
starboard

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11863965

“The group charged with the aggravated robbery of a South Auckland dairy where a man allegedly had a knife held to his neck are back out in the community.
They were released on bail by a District Court judge just hours after their arrest.”

“It is understood police opposed bail for all four alleged offenders.
However, they were released back into the community soon after their appearance.”

Unbelievable. The judge is a cock and should be arrested. Good ole Nil Ziland..broken justice system since 1965.
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May 28, 2017 2:52pm
- SGA
  
  Why 1965 in particular?
  
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  May 28, 2017 3:26pm
- RF
  
  I can see why Police on occasions indulge in summary justice. How depressing…
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:14pm
starboard

somewhere near there was the last hanging..actually 1961 is where it all went down hill, google is your friend
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May 28, 2017 3:30pm
- SGA
  
  Oh, I knew the date for abolishing the death penalty was 1961 (for everything except treason – from memory, that was late 80s sometime). Muldoon, Talboys, and McIntyre were among the National MPs who voted for its removal, I think. That’s why I was wondering why you’d chosen 1965, and whether it had any special significance.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:40pm
publicwatchdog

Caught up with Niki Rauti yesterday, (the directly-affected ‘State’ tenant making a very brave and uncompromising stand against the privatisation of State housing, at 14 Taniwha St Glen Innes) – still no news regarding her Appeal decision in the Auckland District Court.

To put it crudely, in my opinion, the Judge has been presented with a very big, stinking legal turd, with just a pinch of glitter…..

(Full credit to Niki’s lawyer, Justin Harder, who did a GREAT job, pro-bono.)

In my view, this Judge, whichever way he jumps, is going to have to be seen to cover his butt, because ‘the world is watching’.

If the Judge does not uphold Niki’s Appeal – no big deal – it will be appealed to the next level.

In the meantime – the truth about the Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM is being revealed.

In my view, it is effectively a State-sponsored LAND GRAB of public property for private property developer$ and the wealthy.

How come, when Minister of Building and Construction Nick Smith, wants to grab public reserve land at Point England, for private property development, when on his watch, as one of the two Crown shareholding Ministers of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd (who own 2,704 former Housing NZ properties in Tamaki) there are currently 76 BARE SECTIONS (where Housing NZ properties used to be) and apparently 70 empty former Housing NZ properties?

How do I know?

Because I spent two weeks personally going around 119 streets and checking these 2,704 addresses for myself.)

Which is why I’m standing as an (‘Anti-corruption’ Independent candidate in the Tamaki electorate, to help expose what I believe to be this Tamaki ‘Regeneration’ – GENTRIFICATION $CAM.

Penny Bright
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May 28, 2017 3:36pm
- Nostradamus
  
  If the Judge does not uphold Niki’s Appeal – no big deal – it will be appealed to the next level.
  
  Speaking of which, Penny, what’s the current status of your unsuccessful defamation lawsuit against the Auckland Council CEO? As matters currently stand, the judge dismissed your case and made costs orders against you. You told us you intended to appeal the judgment and the costs order. Any update?
  
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  May 28, 2017 3:40pm
- starboard
  
  ” because ‘the world is watching’.”
  
  delusional freak.
  
  Righto, off for a swim and a sauna..cherry O for now.
  
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  May 28, 2017 3:40pm
- Reid
  
  a very brave and uncompromising stand against
  
  Why doesn’t she go and pitch a tent outside Parliament? That would be very brave and uncompromising, during a Wgtn winter.
  
  She could setup a Facebook page and post pics every night of the walls of the tent flexing in and out while the rest of us snuggled up with the fire roaring thinking about how brave and uncompromising she was, as we reviewed her latest news on Facebook.
  
  You could tell her she might even get one or two stories in the media Penny, when they came to arrest her for trespassing and when the police arrived to protect her from the roving street people who mistook the tent for some luxury villa they hadn’t noticed before which they needed right away, much much more than the present occupant. Not to mention all the other adventures she’d have.
  
  Now you tell us Penny. Would that be brave and uncompromising, or what?
  
  Maybe I should go into whatever it is you do. It appears I’d be much better at it than you are.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:29pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    Maybe I should go into whatever it is you do.
    
    Apparently (according to Penny) she “spent two weeks personally going around 119 streets and checking these 2,704 addresses for [her]self”. Could you do that more efficiently and effectively, Reid?
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:34pm
- Longknives
  
  “The world is watching”??
  
  Really? An old bludger is digging in and doesn’t want to be moved out of her taxpayer-funded accommodation..
  It’s hardly world news now is it Penny?
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Just when I thought we’d got rid of the crazy woman, like a cork in a toilet up she pops.
  
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  May 28, 2017 5:20pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  The crazy old bat who lives off rate payers cash is standing up for the crazy old bat living off tax payer cash???
  
  Colour me surprised ?
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See,
  Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  She walks away.
  Oh she got sweet fuck all in the promise to be Auckland’s leader
  Deranged – and out of the nuthouse
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:20pm
Nostradamus

MickySavage is unhappy: What the feck Greens

It appears the Labour Green Memorandum of Understanding did not work as well this week as it was intended. The Greens decided to vote for National’s tax reduction legislation while Labour voted against it. I am struggling to understand why the Greens did this.
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It is not that often that Labour adopts a principled position and the Greens don’t. And the incident is messy in that the parties look divided on an important issue. Hopefully this is not a situation that will continue.

MickySavage should perhaps stick to advising on what he knows best: facilitating anonymous trust donations!
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May 28, 2017 3:37pm
- RF
  
  Micky Savage is a joke as no one takes him seriously anymore.
  
  He did try for a safe Labour seat but no one wanted him as he was the wrong sex plus had baggage from Cunners.
  
  My spies tell me that Labour does not have any intention to bring him into the fold. Hell he would be lucky to make 80th on the list if they did.
  
  So long Micky, don’t let the door hit you in the arse as you leave.
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:27pm
Jack5

Surprise, surprise.

Radio Labour this morning gives a plug to a pro-immigration activist who is standing for Parliament (Wellington Central). Gayaal Iddamalgoda seeks greater entry to NZ for refugees and immigrants. Iddamalgoda, Sri Lanka born, came to NZ when he was aged four.

The name of the campaign is Migrant and Refugee Rights Campaign (Aotearoa/NZ). Iddamalgoda more or less admitted in the radio interview that he was looking for a platform to get his views out. These being from the Left, Radio NZ obliged.

Iddamalgoda told the interviewer he wants to make working class Kiwis realise they have more in common with refugees than they do with the wealthy, and he liberally sprinkled his interview with references to “tangata whenua”.

“I would people to vote Left, and vote National out … to be perfectly honest … I am still waying (sic) up who I would give my party vote to…”

How many other microscopic parties will Radio NZ give air time to? My guess is none.

The interview:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201845429

The party:

https://marrc.org.nz/
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May 28, 2017 4:05pm
- Jack5
  
  The Migrant and Refugee Rights Campaign (Aotearoa/NZ) web site lists says “we demand”:
  
  – Full rights for migrant workers, double the refugee quota.
  
  – Increase funding for resettlement support organisations.
  
  – Open borders to the Pacific.
  
  – Right of migrant workers to unionise.
  
  – Right of all migrants to public services and benefits.
  
  – Regional Seasonal Employer scheme revised to grant full rights to all workers.
  
  – Abolish restrictions on work and student visas.
  
  – Increase funding for labour inspections of migrant workers’ conditions, including coastal shipping and other worksites.
  
  – Universal right to high-quality, low-rent, sustainable urban housing.
  
  – A living wage for all workers, regardless of origin.
  
  – Ability of existing residents to sponsor refugees and migrants, including family members.
  
  – Recognise all legitimate international qualifications.
  
  – Fully fund appropriate support services for migrant women, including family violence intervention.
  
  – Recognise status of climate refugees, call for climate refugees to be internationally recognised.
  
  – Pressure Australian government to drop Mandatory Detention policy.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, and sorry: To be fair to Iddamalgoda, the mis-spelling of “weighing up” as “waying up” is mine not his.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Leftists will be pleased that Radio NZ received a funding pump up from the Government in the Budget.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11863305
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:22pm
GazzaW

So Winston is going to pour millions of our dollars into the Christchurch Cathedral rebuild. How do our resident sky-fairy deniers feel about that and in particular those who intend to vote for NZF as a protest?
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May 28, 2017 4:07pm
- nasska
  
  ….”How do our resident sky-fairy deniers feel about that “….
  
  This one feels nauseated.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:19pm
- mikenmild
  
  Personally, I feel the site should be used for something more useful, like public toilets and a skate park. Or maybe a site for freedom campers.
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:21pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Mikenmild:
    
    something more useful, like public toilets
    
    You’re saying that Hagley Park isn’t useful?
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:26pm
  - nasska
    
    Since it’s Christchurch a petting zoo where the citizens can get their rocks off might be more in demand. 🙂
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:28pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Now look here sunshine. It’s someone else’s money, and I’ll spend it any way I bloody well like, gottit?
  
  Anyway, I’m only doing it because I heard Chinese Christians were wanting to buy the thing…”
  
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  May 28, 2017 4:23pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston and his 19% is not ringing true so it back to the racial bashing of the Chinese on the Auckland Golf Course Land and the ChristChurch Cathedral to drum up support.
    
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    May 28, 2017 4:41pm
Reid

President Trump on Saturday at the G-7 Summit in Italy declined to join six other leading nations in their pledge to uphold the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement.

Trump posting on Twitter earlier in the day that he would make a final decision next week about whether the United States would remain in the deal, in which the major countries agreed to cut back on the emission of greenhouse gases and pollutants believed to be increasing the earth’s temperature and harming the environment.

The other six members of the G- 7 — Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United Kingdom — reaffirmed their commitment to the agreement, signed by former President Barack Obama.

The group also said the U.S. is “not in a position to join consensus” on climate change.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

The silly ole Paris Climate Accord is about to become DOA.

What a shame.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/27/trump-declines-to-join-world-leaders-at-g-7-in-affirming-paris-climate-accord.html
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May 28, 2017 4:34pm
- cha
  
  What a shame.
  
  Early days.
  
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  U.S. President Donald Trump has told “confidants,” including the head of the Environmental Protection Agency Scott Pruitt, that he plans to leave a landmark international agreement on climate change, Axios news outlet reported on Saturday, citing three sources with direct knowledge.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-climate-idUSKBN18O00J
  
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  May 28, 2017 5:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wow…. another 0.3C warming by 2100 if Trump pulls out of the Paris agreement (assuming the climate models are accurate!!!!)
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scientists-donald-trump-pull-out-paris-climate-change-agreement-a7759411.html
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Playing on BBC tv now

kidnapped women for Al- shebab sex slaves
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-40057925/kidnapped-and-enslaved-in-a-forest-for-three-years
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May 28, 2017 4:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For Odakyu-sen

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/28/australian-convict-pirates-in-japan-evidence-of-1830-voyage-unearthed
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May 28, 2017 4:54pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Thanks for the link. Note the comments about Japanese small-bore and canon technology. Even though the country was officially closed, the Japanese had acquired a lot of technology and publications from the Dutch.
  Here’s a link to some information about Japanese clocks (inspired by Western technology) and their adoption during this closed period.
  Ref: http://www.jcwa.or.jp/en/etc/wadokei.html
  
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  May 28, 2017 5:26pm
Longknives

Time for some Allman Brothers-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCRS4DRmf_w
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May 28, 2017 5:05pm
Viking2

* 5000 people in the Midland region require hospitalisation as a result of injury each year
* In Waikato, NZ Europeans are at high risk of motorbike crashes in all age groups
* In Bay of Plenty, male Maori aged 15-34 have high rates of sports related injury
* In Lakes district, males account for 78 per cent of all pushbike trauma.

Predicting the unpredictable: The data behind random trauma events

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/92992239/metadata-helping-to-predict-seemingly-random-trauma-events

Road smashes, falls, burns, assaults and workplace accidents – events which, to the untrained eye, seem like happenings without design, are turning out to be not such random events.
But metadata mined in the central North Island show mishaps can be predicted on a population-wide scale. The data also opens up the possibility of real-time apps being developed to predict risk.

Very interesting.They can predict when you might be going to get hurt. Have a read.
First in the world from NZ.
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May 28, 2017 5:17pm
Nostradamus

Winston Peters accidentally shares social media search on himself, or does he?

On Saturday, the NZ First leader tweeted what appeared to be a social media search on himself: “Tweets on Winston Peters NZ politician”. The words probably meant for the search bar – and his eyes only – were instead shared with his 14,800 Twitter followers.
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While it might be a bit of a social media facepalm, Peters said he was going to leave the post where it was. “Because frankly it’s giving a lot of people, on a boring Saturday, something to laugh about,” he said.

We’re laughing at you, Winston!
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May 28, 2017 5:19pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Chuck suggested the search, its his idea of an exciting Saturday night
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:07pm
- Kea
  
  You aren’t laughing at Winston. You are responding to the media telling you what to think.
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:13pm
EAD

@ Reid,

This is interesting reading:

“PETER OBORNE: Why MI6 must share the blame for the jihadis in our midst”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4546934/PETER-OBORNE-MI6-share-blame-jihadis.html

Given the constraints that Oborne must be writing under, this a very interesting and telling piece.

It used to be that MI5 were the “spy catchers” and MI6 were the “spys”.

It would appear now that it’s MI5 vs MI6, to a certain extent at least…..
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May 28, 2017 5:22pm
- Reid
  
  You may be right but my personal mileage is I think they’re both on the same team EAD. That is, not our team.
  
  I’m taking some time off in a few days and I thought I’d do some postings on the 9-5 shift to connect some dots. It’s all quite apparent to you and I what’s happening, the circumstantial rope for us is a strong as a bridge cable now. But others don’t yet have all of that. Of course most of them won’t want to hear it, either. But that’s just too bad because they’re going to.
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:47pm
Nostradamus

It’s Ramadan and today’s NZ Herald helpfully offers an exotic suggestion for our hungry food-dodgers.

Restaurant review: Kai Pasifika, Mt Eden

It seems puzzling that in Auckland, the world’s biggest Polynesian city, there has never been a real restaurant dedicated to Pacific food. Menus often refer to “Pacific rim” cuisine, referring to Southeast Asian, Japanese or Latino influences, but that “rim” makes it plain that they are staying away from the vast ocean in the middle.
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Starters $7-$17; mains $28-$32; sides $7; desserts $12

This isn’t a soup kitchen so no bludgers allowed!
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May 28, 2017 5:51pm
- nasska
  
  ….”It seems puzzling that in Auckland, the world’s biggest Polynesian city, there has never been a real restaurant dedicated to Pacific food.”….
  
  Not really all that puzzling. There’s probably a limited demand from those who eat out for fatty corned beef, boiled mutton flaps & green bananas.
  
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  May 28, 2017 5:56pm
  - mikenmild
    
    But a proper Pacific feast is a true treat.
    
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    May 28, 2017 6:09pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    At Te Papa I saw a full-scale and proportional model of a cow made entirely out of Hellaby’s corned beef cans.
    Pacific Island raw materials constrained by a lack of imagination are not really going to create a vibrant cuisine.
    I mean, corned beef nigiri sushi just ain’t gonna cut it with the tourists.
    
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    May 28, 2017 6:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not to mention that fibrous concrete-like stuff called taro.
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:24pm
starboard

Bend over and take it a bit more Kiwis..not long until it comes to an end ?

http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2017/05/28/racist-lolly-scramble/
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May 28, 2017 5:55pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Starboard’s link:
  
  Vote Treaty Negotiations contains a multi-year appropriation of $1,400 million for the five-year period 2017 to 2021.
  
  Yes – you read that right. 1.4 billion dollars of taxpayers money and taxpayer-owned assets being given to part-Maori in unabashedly racist-vote-buying by National.
  
  I can picture the negotiation right now:
  
  Maori negotiating team: We think a reasonable cost for settling our historical grievance is *punches some numbers in the calculator* $1.4 billion.
  
  Government negotiating team: Not a chance!
  
  Maori negotiating team: You’re negotiating in bad faith. We know this because you’ve said we could have *checks 2017 budget paper* $1.4 billion.
  
  Government negotiating team: Alright – here’s $1.4 billion. It’s not our money anyway. Thanks to the generous taxpayers!
  
  Maori negotiating team: Not so fast. The $1.4 billion is for settlement. The settlement ceremony and the koha will be extra cream on top.
  
  Wonderful!
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:04pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If the government stopped payments to the iwi, would could the iwi do about it?
    
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    May 28, 2017 6:22pm
  - Longknives
    
    Of course ‘Full and Final’ has some fine print!
    *In Case the ‘Bros blow all that Whitey cash on bad investments and need a Taxpayer ‘top up’…
    
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    May 28, 2017 7:03pm
mikenmild

For a touch of hilarity, check out Steven Joyce on Q&A insisting the Budget had nothing to do with it being election year…
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May 28, 2017 6:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Mikenmild:
  
  I went here and got this:
  
  To watch this episode you’ll need to login.
  If you don’t have an account you’ll need to create one to enjoy TVNZ content anytime. anywhere.
  
  Why do I need to create an account to “enjoy” TVNZ content? (ABC iView, by contrast, doesn’t seem to impose this requirement on viewers.)
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:15pm
dime

Stunning morning in Venice.

Managed to stream the America’s Cup last night. Not so stunning.

I’ll maybe watch the final race.

There are only so many losing teams dime can follow.. Blues, Warriors, black Caps..
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May 28, 2017 6:21pm
- Longknives
  
  Dime in Italy.
  I can’t help but think it will play out like a Rocco Siffredi film…
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:11pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2014, the Broods with Bridges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7Eu8a46mw
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May 28, 2017 6:25pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Brigette,
  
  Music Month…
  
  That is so much nicer that mikenmild’s’
  ” _xyz_ Bodily Fluid Day.”
  I am told that he has at least 365 of them (not to imply that there are 365 different kinds of bodily fluid, but I think you get my meaning).
  
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  May 28, 2017 6:36pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Just for you, please enjoy tomorrow in an appropriate way to mark World Digestive Health Day:
    http://www.worldgastroenterology.org/wgo-foundation/wdhd/wdhd-2017
    
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    May 28, 2017 6:56pm
    - nasska
      
      It is snippets of info such as these that confirm that Mike isn’t a sock puppet of the left.
      
      They would never tolerate such displays of humour.
      
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      May 28, 2017 7:06pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That’s a bit below the belt…
      
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      May 28, 2017 7:17pm
      - nasska
        
        Have you ever met a socialist or unionist with a sense of humor? They’re the most miserable, self centred pack of arseholes on the planet.
        
        At least Mike’s human!
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I think you might find that most humourists are of a left/liberal inclination, nasska.
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:43pm
      - nasska
        
        Liberal certainly. Left never.
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:45pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I’ve known Mikenmild has a sense of humour since this exchange:
        
        Starboard: Hows ya mum mm..dont worry, I’ll roll over and ask ‘er..
        
        Mikenmild: Mum hasn’t been to Christchurch again since that last time you couldn’t get it up, starboard. Even 80 year olds have standards…
        
        One of the best exchanges!
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Nostradamus
        
        As per starboard’s post at 1:48PM today:
        
        not even remotely funny ~~bimbo~~ nostra…go away
        
        …although contingent upon at whose expense the joke is on, starboard’s sense of humour waxes and wanes. A classic case of “Mike Tyson Syndrome” – steel fist, glass jaw 😉
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:53pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        Humour of the self-deprecation kind is subjective.
        
        Humour of the glass shards kind (particularly painful when you’re on the receiving end) is subjective and unpleasant.
        
        The challenge for all of us is to appreciate both types!
        
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        May 28, 2017 7:59pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Oh great, and how do we “celebrate” that – not with Baked Beans I hope… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdw5Eykf1Rg
      
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      May 28, 2017 7:30pm
Reid

This is interesting.

British Airways denies cyber attack to blame for global IT outage, flight chaos

British Airways has canceled all flights from London’s Heathrow and Gatwick airports due to a global IT outage Saturday. The airline said they believe the source of the outage was a power supply issue and not a cyber attack.

“We believe the root cause was a power supply issue and we have no evidence of any cyber attack,” British Airways CEO, Alex Cruz, said in a video posted to Twitter.

https://www.rt.com/news/389922-british-airways-system-outage-passengers/

It’s interesting because it’s clearly a cover story.

Watch this space.

Here’s some general background.

http://www.rense.com/general96/NSAwanna.html
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May 28, 2017 7:44pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Reid:
  
  Quite coincidentally I watched Die Hard 4 (again) last night.
  
  The film’s plot is based on an earlier script entitled WW3.com by David Marconi, screenwriter of the 1998 film Enemy of the State. Using John Carlin’s Wired magazine article entitled “A Farewell to Arms”, Marconi crafted a screenplay about a cyber-terrorist attack on the United States. The attack procedure is known as a “fire sale”, depicting a three-stage coordinated attack on a country’s transportation, telecommunications, financial, and utilities infrastructure systems.
  
  It was a great movie, with lots of action scenes, but I have a horrible feeling that I missed something important. Any thoughts?
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:55pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Yippie-Ki-Yay, Motherfucker!”
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think I’ll stick with the Union reason….
  
  BA outsourcing its IT to India
  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/after-it-outage-british-airways-union-blames-outsourced-it-jobs-in-india-for-problem/articleshow/58874334.cms
  
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  May 28, 2017 7:58pm
Nostradamus

Adelaide’s angry pedestrian is the funniest thing you’ll see today

An enraged pedestrian who got a dose of instant karma when he walked into a traffic light pole in Adelaide has become an unwitting viral sensation.
The dashcam video shows a car heading up Wyatt St in the city, and stopping at the lights to turn into Flinders St.

An upset man walking a dog gesticulates angrily and mouths abuse at the driver for no apparent reason as he crosses at the lights — but is so intent on his rant he then walks into the traffic light.

That’s when he really gets upset …
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May 28, 2017 8:06pm
- nasska
  
  Has a slight attitude problem. 🙂
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:12pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Has Redbaiter moved to Adelaide?
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:16pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild:
      
      Is Adelaide an international airport?
      
      While flying into an Australian international airport recently a Customs official grabbed my immigration card, marked it and gave it back to me. Good I thought, I’m going to get passed through. I was wrong. I was taken aside from other passengers and forced to stand in a line with about a dozen other unfortunates. Then we waited while a dog and handler was arranged and run along the line, vigorously sniffing us all as we stood there.
      
      Nothing was found and we were told we could leave. I objected to what had happened but the Customs officers said something like “too bad you’re upset mate”.
      
      In fact these ignorant misguided heavily uniformed power drunk thugs had just breached one of the most basic tenets of Western civilisation, being that no one who is not under suspicion of committing a crime should be stopped and searched by authorities (police, customs whoever) while going about their lawful business.
      
      My protests along these lines to the officers concerned fell on completely deaf ears.
      
      Hopefully Redbaiter hasn’t been tweeting from inside the clink all this time!
      
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      May 28, 2017 8:21pm
- EAD
  
  Nice place Adelaide. I went over there for the first time last year to do some work with the good folks at the Adelaide Institiute.
  
  In addition to the work, we spent a clue of days exploring the Barossa Valley and watching cricket at the Adelaide Oval which IMHO is the best place to watch test cricket in the world (as Pukekura Park and Molyneux Park don’t host tests…..)
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:41pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    EAD:
    
    I enjoyed watching day-night test cricket at the Adelaide Oval on TV. The session between dinner and stumps, particularly with the panoramic sunset, is spectacular. The facilities looked in pretty good nick too, from what I could see. By contrast, my parents visited Lords last year, and I was told that the facilities looked run-down.
    
    Did you pop in to see Maggie Beer when you visited the Barossa Valley?
    
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    May 28, 2017 8:44pm
    - EAD
      
      We did visit Maggie Beer’s for lunch Nostie! They food was delicious and they were such warm hosts.
      
      Talking to the cricket lovers – they are not happy with the Oval redevelopment in so far as it has lost much of its grass mound but given it’s a ground share with AFL, they are hard headed enough to realise it was necessary.
      
      Lords is all about the atmosphere. Lunch in the outer oval behind the commentary box is perhaps the best “halftime break” there is in modern sport.
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:35pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        EAD:
        
        We did visit Maggie Beer’s for lunch Nostie! They food was delicious and they were such warm hosts.
        
        It’s hard to read the menu without feeling hungry!
        
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        May 28, 2017 9:56pm
Reid

Since it’s Sunday and we’re probably waiting for the movie to start, here’s something interesting, with photos. This church in Italy which has got sculptures that are very difficult to explain in terms of how could they possibly have been done with hammer and chisel, yet there we are. You check the photos and you’ll see what I mean.

Not to mention the other “exhibit” which is even more mysterious.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-sansevero-chapel/
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May 28, 2017 8:24pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Reid:
  
  Is tonight (since it’s Sunday) a good night for you and Mikenmild to resolve the alleged link between Disney and “nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Communist forces spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation”? You had a false start of sorts with Shawn – and I’d like to see how the debate ends!
  
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  May 28, 2017 8:29pm
  - Reid
    
    No. Tell him to remind me over the next few weeks and I may make that one of the dots if he asks nicely and if I feel like it.
    
    (See my 6.47 to EAD.)
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:05pm
  - Reid
    
    You might also tell him if he does care to engage in the next few weeks to be very careful to distinguish what I say and have said from what other people say I say. You might also want to start being careful about casually repeating such bullshit yourself, because you just did, and while I’m not about to sue anyone for libel, it’s not a good look for a lawyer to engage in it.
    
    One of the reasons Captain Bananas was such a swine, is because that was his habit, and in the material I deal with, which is radioactive to sheeple, it’s most unpleasant to be accused of saying something which you’ve never said, or that you’ve drawn a connection which you’ve never drawn, especially when the accusser is such an arsehole, and the sheeple are so profoundly ignorant and don’t therefore have the first fucking clue about what has or has not been said by whom.
    
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    May 28, 2017 9:41pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Reid:
      
      You might also want to start being careful about casually repeating such bullshit yourself … it’s not a good look for a lawyer to engage in it.
      
      My intended meaning, Reid, was the link alleged by Shawn (which is why I linked to one of his comments). Just to be clear, I didn’t attribute those words to you. By the way, I’m fairly careful when it comes to false attribution, which is a debating tactic I tend to associate with the likes of Stephieboy.
      
      (You seem a bit grumpy tonight. Is everything ok?)
      
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      May 28, 2017 9:52pm
      - Reid
        
        Sorry Nosty, I misread your original post, my apologies.
        
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        May 28, 2017 10:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If by the other “exhibit” , you mean the anatomical model, then perhaps you might like to delve into the 18thC fascination with making models…
  
  Here’s a starter
  https://global.oup.com/academic/product/malleable-anatomies-9780198736189?cc=nz&lang=en&#
  
  or you could look up Giuseppe Salerno
  
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  May 28, 2017 9:27pm
Morrissey

This is how to defeat the Israelis:
heroic mass non-violent civil resistance

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/05/27/this-is-how-to-defeat-the-israelis-heroic-mass-non-violent-civil-resistance/
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May 28, 2017 8:56pm
- Manolo
  
  The namesake is also deranged…
  
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  May 29, 2017 6:29am
  - Morrissey
    
    ?????
    
    Manolo, you may be in line for the most incompetent and incoherent post of the year. Congratulations, my friend—I suspect you don’t win many awards for your writing!
    
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